July 8, 2023 • 69 mins
Get ready to be engrossed by our animated chat with Brian Snow, the creative genius behind Snowman Multimedia and the host of Snowman in the Morning. As we uncover Brian's journey into sportscasting, his vibrant spirit and strong passion for sports are simply contagious. Learn about the significance of a little green scheduler, a football game, and an understanding wife in the success of his multimedia empire.
Fasten your seatbelts as we navigate through Brian's lifelong love for sports, ignited by watching games with his family and cemented by the iconic "The Catch." Prepare to laugh as Brian shares the hilarious reactions of his family to the anomaly of a Chicago native being a 49ers fan. This episode is not just about sports, it's about personal stories, life lessons, and entrepreneurship. So, whether you're a sports enthusiast or an aspiring entrepreneur, get ready for a dose of inspiration from one of the best in sports media. Buckle up for a ride into the exhilarating world of Brian Snow!
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
I got a Scotty and a Frozehead Big Boss like I'm Rose
.
I see one of these at the homemain Lil' Betty and she home
main right my city at the homegame up and down and go
gold-graze and the sprint istaking up both legs Hopping.
We boom and the package beboomin'.
Yeah, we got it, we got it.
Got it.
Sheep ticking and chosen andlow at the moment.
Yeah, we got it, we got it, gotit.
They cannot door we doin'.
You see how we movin'.
(00:30):
We got it.
We got it, got it.
Mess with the squad?
you try to try to go against us.
I highly doubt it.
All of my bros, we got it, gotit.
They know the show.
We got it, got it.
Been on the road.
We got it, got it.
We cannot go without it.
I did Mess with the squad.
You try to try to Go against us.
I highly doubt it.
Been on the road.
We got it, got it.
We cannot go without it.
I did I be unexcited.
Can't mess with the toxic,curvy little body.
(00:51):
Be all on me Keepin' it spicy.
You know that.
I got it.
If she need it, just call on me.
Run up the tab.
We runnin' it back.
I'm on me.
Yeah, you will ball on me, ridewith me.
We gon' roll, roll, get it.
Try, yeah, go.
So on, so on.
Hoppin' we zoomin'.
The package be boomin' yeah, wegot it, we got it, got it.
Sheep ticking and chosen andlow at the moment yeah, we got
it, we got it, got it.
They cannot door.
We doin'.
You see how we movin'.
We got it, we got it, got it.
(01:12):
Mess with the squad.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What is poppin' everyone?
What's goin' on?
Welcome to the Dan Leveau Show.
Thank you for watching live andif you're not watching live,
thank you for clicking the playbutton.
Anyways, today we have a veryspecial guest.
I get to yell at somebody elsebesides Jerry in today, so this
is gonna be awesome We do have.
He's a creator of SnowmanMultimedia and the host of
(01:37):
Snowman in the Morning, one ofmy favorite sports shows in the
morning.
He is Brian Snow, so we'regonna go ahead and bring him on.
Let's get this going.
How you doin', sir?
What's?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
up Danimo.
How's it going man?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ah, not much, not much.
He's livin' the dream, livin'the dream Every day man, i took
off a week off of work.
You're right for the Fourth ofJuly, yeah, and I ended up
scheduling six shows during myvacation.
So my vacation's not really avacation.
I'm still working, but I'm justnot working, working.
(02:16):
You know what I'm?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
saying Man, you don't wanna see my schedule book
right now, you don't wanna see.
let me tell you something.
My wife, my beautiful wife Jody, knows that I try to remember
more things and I have ahorrible time doing so, so she
(02:39):
instructed me to get one ofthese.
Yeah, you don't wanna see itright now, because it's like
booked for a while.
I put my daily shows in theschedule and I put them on the
Google Calendar so she'll knowwhen I'm taping or when I'm live
or whatever.
I'll tell you what man she'sbeen my organizer, to say the
(03:03):
least.
She's been that for me.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Right, right.
We have some familiar peoplepopping up in the comments.
I recognize those names.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, you hang out with us in the morning, so you
ought to know some of thesenames.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, Every chance I get, every chance I get, I try
to get.
I try to grab your show.
That's one thing about having aweek off is I got to watch your
show five times.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Good, good, because I know most of the time you're
working and you catch some ofthe replay and then you send me
your comments afterwards.
So to see you live five days,man, it helps to grow the show
and grow the audience, and Ican't tell you how much I
appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, before we get startedeverything, go ahead and take a
second to introduce yourself tothe people who don't know you
out there.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, i am Brian.
I'm originally from Chicago.
I got started in sports castingin 1995 doing play by play.
A year after that I starteddoing sports talk and play by
play.
I've been doing it.
This will be my 28th year beingactive in sports media.
What came to be snowmanmultimedia was founded way back
(04:22):
in 1996 and we've gone throughseveral name changes, several
ideas and I got to give creditto Jody.
Jody said settle on a name,take the brand and build it.
So just took my nickname, putmultimedia behind it and, lo and
behold, it's the.
(04:42):
And that came into being lessthan two years ago because I had
it under another name.
But I couldn't get everythinguniform.
So finally I just took thepieces that I had and put it
together in a puzzle and Jodylooked at me and said look, you
got something solid, stick withit.
So I'm sticking with it, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Exactly, yeah, it's like my fiance.
When I told her I was going tostart a podcast she kind of just
looked at me sideways like yeah, okay, okay, you're going to be
Joe Rogan Here we go Okay,you're going to be Joe Rogan.
Here we go And it's now threeyears running and she's like
you're actually getting good atthis And I was like, yeah, three
(05:20):
years will do that to you.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
For those of you that are not familiar, my main show
is Snow Man in the Morning, andthose of you who know my wife's
voice that opens the show, thisis this is what she does.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Mr We please wake up.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And that happened purely on accident, because I
heard her say something while wewere watching a football game,
something about us in football,and her voice, just it was
already stuck, but it in thatcomedic sense it stuck.
And I said would you recordsomething for me?
And she gave me this wicked,she gave me this wicked smile.
(05:57):
I was like all right, what doyou have for me?
And I wrote that line down Andshe turned and looked at me and
she says how do you want torecord it?
I say you know how you gethurried.
You know you get hurried whenyou try to wake me up and I and
I and I'm not waking up.
She said, yeah, i said give methat, for that's what happened.
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's what happened.
That's great.
But yeah, have you always beenlike a, like a sports fan, or
have you, like wanted to go likea different direction with it,
or no, it's always been sports.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's been sports for me since, watching sports with
my, my parents and especially mydad.
My grandfather, who my dad,took me in my first baseball
game And what got me intofootball was a simple play
called the catch Montana toClark against the Cowboys.
(06:57):
That made me a 49er fan forlife.
And my mother, rest her soulfor years, would ask me you're
from Chicago, how can you likethe 49ers?
and you're from Chicago, howcome you don't like the bears?
I said, mom, it's pretty simple.
We actually have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Bears suck too.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh, when I, when I told her we actually, we
actually had a quarterback, andthen I told, and then I reminded
her who it was, and she says,all right, all right, all right.
And then the year she asked methat the Bears played the 49ers
in the NSC championship atSoldier Field, and when Jerry
Rice caught the first touchdownpass to the game, i went
(07:36):
upstairs and took a nap becauseI knew the game was over.
You see it throughout games.
You see it throughout games andyou're like, ok, there's this
one play that just busted wideopen.
And you're like, ok, i'm good.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's it.
I don't need to watch anymore.
It's over.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's, it's done, it's done, it's.
It's that one, it's that one.
Play that opens up, openseverything up.
Now I came downstairs thatafternoon and mom just looked at
me.
Dad's smiling OK, and laughingthroughout the house.
Mom just looked at me and wenthow did you know?
I said mom, who's a 49ersquarterback, and she starts
(08:23):
laughing.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like who's your quarterback?
You know who Jerry Rice is.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You're on that game And you and you and.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I could have, i could have swore.
I heard my mother go.
Jerry, i could have swore, iheard my mother go.
damn, jerry Rice, i told you.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Damn Jerry Rice.
Actually have a signMississippi Valley State
University helmet signed byJerry Rice, nice Very nice, that
was that was one of my greatmystery boxes that I got out of
the mail.
I was just like I'm gonna bewhole like the king, the king
(09:12):
right here.
You can't go wrong with that.
No, you can't go wrong with thebest wide receiver they ever
lived.
You can't, you can't, you can'tdo it.
But I do watch your show everysingle or try to watch so every
single morning, but I do watchit every single day And you have
a great segment on there And Ienjoy it so much that I need to
(09:36):
talk about it.
Ok, the LeBron Sexuels segment.
Ok, for everyone who does thatknow what, the LeBron Sex
segment is LeBron Sexuelssegment on Snowman in the
Morning is pretty much thembashing LeBron James for a good
(09:59):
minute and a half.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You want to know something?
Cole started that on his show,cole Sports on the Daily OK, and
one day I said can I borrowthat and bring it to my show?
He said yeah, go ahead, use it.
Well, he would actually havebefore he brought it to, before
(10:22):
he fully brought it to my show,he called me as a guest And I
said there's one thing you haveto do for me.
He says what's that?
I said you have to voice theBronze Sexual Confessions intro
And he did that one live on theair And we took off And about an
(10:45):
hour later he finally concludedit And I'm on the with some of
the things that he and I bothsay and do.
We just slated the second houron Wednesdays as the Bronze
Sexual Hour because some of thestuff that we see and hear, good
grief, we can't put it in theregular show.
(11:05):
We just can't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, that's true.
You can't put it in.
No, no, no.
You can't put it, you can't putit in the regular show, right
Yeah.
When I first, i was just like,oh my God, this is hilarious.
And the the, the, the Trace,the Trace segment too, that's it
(11:40):
.
That's like classic.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Call comes up with some.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It was like three minutes.
Yeah, it was like three minutesof like wild, wild stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And he and I talked one day off the air when he did,
when he unveiled that segment,and he says that's only a, it's
going to be a one time thing,it's going to be one time
throwaway, not.
It's stuck with me with Jody,with everybody.
(12:13):
And, lo and behold, it's nowtaken a life of its own, where
some of the guests that we haveRyan McCarthy, of course, you
saw a sick diggy who joins usfrom Norway, victor Locke, who
joins me from my hometown ofChicago Every time we come up
with a name, they'll flip it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I came up with the.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Irvingologist, the Bradyites and the Heart Knights.
but that's my spin, Those aremy spins off the off the bronze
sexuals.
So that's how all that gotstarted.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's another one too.
Don't forget about the BenSimmons, the Ben Simmons Amber
Alerts.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
You know, and Simmons you know it's crazy topic on it
, so, um, if it was Okay therewe go.
Maybe we here we go.
You know it's crazy.
See some things that we createon the show we don't think will
(13:23):
stick Wrong.
When bronze sexual confessionsit is trial and error When
bronze sexual confessions becamea permanent part of a Wednesday
show.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh, he's really.
He's rebooting the technicaldifficulties.
Everyone.
He is we.
Brian snow is rebooting as wespeak.
But yeah, quick timeouteveryone.
If you haven't gone and watchedthe Brian snow in the morning,
make sure you go and do so.
These guys are hilarious.
Not only do they have reallygood takes on sports there,
(14:05):
they'll keep you laughing theentire time.
It's not, it's entertaining andentertaining.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I guess You know it's , you know it's wild.
Some of the stuff that we comeup with are just off the cuff
and we think of it during theshow.
Yeah we think of it, we think ofit during the show, that that
This right here, ready.
Oh, i Recorded live on the air,okay, and I mixed it and I put
(14:35):
it in my and I put it in thesound base and it took off to
the point where Ryan McCarthydid a video trailer for it and I
attached the sound to it.
So the folks that we haveinvolved with the show guests
are Part of the creative teamThere's.
(14:56):
They're so creative and we'rejust going.
Okay, how can we use this?
How can we use this?
and I Messed up Cole onemorning when I threw his own
voice at him because he was Kneedeep into something and all of
a sudden I said you know what,cole?
I have to tell you something.
He says what's that?
(15:17):
and I fired this, adam, youtripped it and I'm cracking up.
So some of this stuff.
It's like you said, it's it'strial, it's trial and error, but
it's.
It's such a joy To do everymorning, you know, to hang with
(15:39):
the people that that we hangwith and to get get some new
guests in and some new fans inthat that chime in and that that
list is growing every day.
And now I've added an Afternoonshow and the crowd filters from
the morning filters fromsnowman in the morning to the
Brian snow show in theafternoons and It's kind of the
(16:01):
same thing but it's.
It's different in the sense ofwho my interview, because I
wanted to set that show as myvariety show and Cole came up.
Cole's my executive producerand he came up with the perfect
tagline when he said wheresports is the base, life and fun
are the result.
And I said, i said that's it,that's it.
(16:24):
So I interviewed folks from allwalks of life on my afternoon
show and it too is a blast to do.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Okay, yeah, yeah, the bright snow show.
I only watched a few episodesof that of the past couple days,
but Yeah, that's, that'samazing to yell like.
You have amazing guests onthere too.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, some of them find me, i find them, but it's a
, it's a great mix.
It's a great mix, right.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Exactly now.
How many, how many people doyou have working for snowman
multimedia?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right now only about, there's only about five or six
of us.
There's only about five or sixof my wife included, but oh,
nice.
I have guests that throw ideasat me and Some of my friends
throw ideas at me becausethey're starting to Get the show
.
The real creative brain behindall the production is my wife,
(17:26):
jody.
Yeah, because she'll help memanage my time, she'll help me
manage my projects and she'llthrow suggestions at me and I at
her, and She's been one of thesteadying forces of this.
And now to have this be asuccess at its most successful
point And I've been doing thisparticular show ten years,
(17:47):
almost ten years.
It'll be ten years in October.
But to have it at this mostsuccessful point, after the
trial and error, the starts andthe stops, and To have the
people in the group that that wedo, yourself included.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, so so you weren't.
It wasn't like a COVID thing,like most, like most of us, like
me included, because when COVIDhit I didn't have anything to
do, so I created a podcast rightso you've been at it for like,
actual like Years and upon yearson this.
This was just like COVID thingfor you.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, this is beyond.
This is beyond COVID.
This is something I've wantedto do Most of my life, and the
show that really got me startedin sports talk was Mike and Mike
in the morning.
Yeah, I'm looking into them andI said you know what?
I want to fashion a show liketheirs and I wanted to Do
(18:43):
something like this, but in aless amount of time, because,
especially given how my healthhas been lately, i can't sit
here for four hours at a time.
Right which, which is crazy,because I'll try to stay in
post-production for That thatamount of time.
But then I'll get a reminder.
You know I have to take a nap,i got, i have to shut down for a
(19:05):
while, i have to eat my lunchand and things like that.
But I Did have a three-hourshow once, but after everything
that happened with the bloodclots in my lungs and the
pancreatic cancer, i decided tostick to two hours.
The two hours is the most outis the most I'll do, except if
(19:25):
it's play by, play call, and youknow how long some of those can
go.
Right, so that that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That that just depends right now there, there
was a, there was a app on there,i think it was like a Color box
or it was color something andyou can go on there and you
pretty much did.
You could do like Play by playof, like games that you see on
TV, so anyone could pretty muchbe a commentator and you record
(19:52):
yourself or to go live and dothat.
And I found That some of themwere pretty good, but others
were just like.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You don't have to tell me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know that the town was just so terrible.
I was like you do it.
Like most of them weren't eventalking about the game.
They were just talking about,like the favorite players and
some of them got into like theJordan LeBron debates.
You know that could go onforever, but it was.
It was just hysterical.
Yeah, some of them.
You know what they, what thegame was about you know who won.
(20:24):
The score was enough.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know it's.
You know what's crazy.
They contacted me, mm-hmm,wanting me to be a part of, to
be a part of their network and IAsked them two questions.
One am I gonna get paid for itto do?
you want me to do the radiostyle of play by play?
And when they said no to bothquestions, i was out.
Wow, yeah, i was this.
(20:45):
I was disinterested because andI heard, like you said, i Heard
some of them try to do.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I've done for over 25 years?
Yeah, not even close.
I mean right, even me in myrookie year, 1995, and I knew I
didn't know, and I still don'tknow, everything I need to know
about doing play by play.
That's why I always listen,that's why I always practice,
and When I go on assignment,Jody helps me with my checklist,
making sure I, making sure Ihave everything, and then I have
(21:16):
all my notes and If there's anart to it, yes, there is an art.
There's an art to Doing play byplay.
And there are so many peoplebecause I'm about to open a play
by play Academy, you know, andthat that idea just hit me.
I Someone put the idea in myhead and then Jody repeated it
and finally, this summer I saidlet me start formulating and see
(21:38):
what I can do to Make to, tomake this happen.
Because I've had a couplepeople come to me and they said
how do you?
they asked me How do, how do Ido this?
And I said, okay, you know what.
I think it's time I can put thewheels in motion for this.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Nice, nice.
So how did, how did you createthe network?
Because I was, i was actuallythinking about doing like a
whole network myself and havinglike a Radio, like a playlist of
other shows coming on but, Ifeel like it would be exhausting
for one And I don't think Ihave the time to do something
(22:16):
like that.
Yeah, but is it like?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
very good, exhausting .
But when people come to you andThey said can you air?
can you air my show because, um, there have been so many people
that sent their shows todifferent stations across the
country and they couldn't, youknow, they couldn't get in the
airtime.
And I looked at, i looked atwhat I have and I said, you know
what, i got plenty of airtime.
(22:41):
So I figured out with it, rollthe dice and see what happens,
and the only thing I have towork on now is scheduling them
and Getting them used to thetechnology that I use for people
to dial in, people to dial intomy station or log into my
station so they can run theirshow or they can send me their
programs And I'll air it at a ata different time, right, but It
(23:04):
does get.
It does get exhausting.
But I've learned this over theyears and I will continue to
learn it day by day, by day bymoment by moment by moment.
Failure to prepare is preparingto fail and I failed many
hundred thousands of times in mylife.
(23:25):
But guilty it's, it's, it'sGetting into a rhythm, it's
getting into a nice rhythm And,like you said earlier, uh, trial
and error It's, it's, it'sliterally trial and error where
you can succeed or fail.
(23:46):
If you implement something andit doesn't work, yank it out and
try and uh and try somethingelse.
But When you want it as bad asI do, you're willing to push the
plunger, blow it up and try totry again several hundred
thousand times, as I have.
And when you cannot seeyourself doing anything else,
(24:12):
when you can see yourself On thegrind every day, whether it's
an hour at a time or a couple ofhours at a time, or if you
spend just 20 minutes Feedinginto this, what is the next step
?
That's the question You alwayshave to ask yourself and that's
something Jody has hammered intomy head for as long as we've
been together, because I alwaystalk about it And then she'll
(24:34):
finish my thought of okay,what's the next step?
How do you do this?
So, as long as you have thatquestion to answer and you're
willing to Do the research, putthe time in and work on
answering that question, you'llalways have work.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Right, exactly, exactly.
You have to love it.
To be honest with you, you haveto absolutely love it.
Yeah, i was like I neverthought that I would see myself
staring at a computer screen,talking to people or even Just
interviewing people in person.
I never thought that I would bedoing that.
But lo and behold, here we go,there you go.
My dad was yeah, my dad was akaraoke host, so I guess I got
(25:14):
comfortable on the microphonedoing that, because there'd be
times where he got You know,because he would drink for free.
But there'd be times where hegot to To shit face and do his
show and he did his.
Hand me the microphone.
I was like here, give my showfor him.
He was like you can't just handme a microphone, i'm gonna talk
the entire time Like you justcan't hand me a microphone and
(25:35):
be like, uh, let people sing andI'm gonna go.
No, they're gonna listen to methe entire time.
That's when my dad's like youshould be in like some sort of
entertainment.
He's like and that was justlike I, i want to be on the
radio, that's all I want to be.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, yeah here's.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Here's the wild part.
You know what got me Reallyreally interested in in sports
media?
It was actually Um my love forgame shows.
And the different game, thedifferent game show hosts and
their style and how they speak,and Learning the rules,
repeating the rules.
I once heard that repetition isthe mother of skill, and it
(26:14):
certainly is, because the moreyou repeat, the more you repeat
something.
The more you keep doingsomething, the better you get at
it.
Mm-hmm, and I know I'm gonnadate myself here, but the first
game show I ever watched was theprices.
Right, i Got hooked immediately.
But then family few gotintroduced to me, then card
(26:35):
sharks got introduced to me Andthen this is little bitty known
cult of a show we like to callpressure.
Look, that got introduced to meAnd I wanted to learn all their
styles.
I wanted to learn how they, howthey did this and How much
repetition they put into it, howmuch practice they put into it,
(26:57):
because you have there's,there's a lot of practice that
goes into this.
There's a lot of repetitionthat goes into this.
The biggest thing I found in my28 years Taking the first step.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Mm-hmm Got a job you have to jump.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You have to jump.
You got to, you got to takethat first step.
I mean, how good?
how will you know how good youare if you don't take the chance
?
And I got to tell you somethingI've passed up on many, many
chances.
But then, when I got into thisusing my own brand and my own
details, anchors away, i'm all,i was all in.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Right, yeah, for sure .
But yeah, it's, it's, it'samazing, it's like all the
things that you Didn't thinkthat was going to happen
actually start happening.
And then you're just like why?
It's like, wow, everything'sactually working out.
And by actually by working out,i just want to take a second to
congratulate you on beingmonetized on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Thank you like brand new.
Thank you Yeah.
The look on the look on Jody'sface when I told her because I
told her last, i told her lastnight And I reminded I said out
loud, i said now the work reallybegins.
But she looked at me and saidbut you cleared a major hurdle
that you've wanted to clear fortwo years, mm-hmm.
(28:24):
So I celebrate.
I celebrated that.
And then I Got up today and duginto my desk and whatever I
needed to do, i took breaks whenI when I needed to.
But that is a huge for contentcreators.
When you get that notificationthat you've been accepted Into
(28:44):
the YouTube Partner Program.
That's a huge hurdle becausenow you can iron out all the
details and really maximizeeverything that you need and and
Your next steps are basicallylined up for you.
It's just up to you to reallyiron out the details.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
As I said, Right, yeah, that's, that's everyone's
goal on here.
I'm sorry, but if you'relistening to a podcast or
watching a show on YouTube,that's everyone's goal is to get
monetized.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It is, it's sure, was it sure was mine.
We don't want to do this forfree all the time No I.
You know what?
I got time when I was atChicago State.
I one day walked into the sportin the in the athletic
director's office, and I saidyou know what I'm tired of doing
this for free.
And When he looked at me andgiggled, I walked out and never
(29:38):
came back right.
And I said, okay, if you'regonna do that to me, Then I will
find some kind of way, nomatter how long it takes to
build this through my own brand.
And the one thing that keptegging me on is Is people saying
to me, why don't you go workfor a station or why don't you
go work for ESPN?
(30:00):
and I said, the hell with that.
I'm building my own and I'mgonna blow those some bitches
away in the process look at ESPNnow.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Look at ESPN now.
What?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
are they going by the ?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
wayside man.
Yeah, stephen a Smith, that'sit.
That's all you got.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Speaking of Stephen, a, one of the more, one of the
most popular sounds that I playduring during the show Is this
one stay off the weed And if youthink about it, that's If you
(30:42):
think about it.
That's that's kind of how webecame known.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's true.
That is true.
Yeah, we don't.
We don't comply with that quote.
Like for occasions I will put,i will put the weed away for
like occasions like this one Iwon't have.
Like if I know that, if Ididn't know, like the person I
have on Isn't like a big smokeror doesn't like right, advertise
(31:10):
it.
And then I won't, i won't do it, i'll just leave you plenty You
play to your audience.
I'll cheap it up, Yeah.
I'll cheap it up with anybodythat comes on the show, though
Exactly you play to youraudience?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, you absolutely play to your audience and you
play to your fan base Mm-hmm.
And yep most of my fan baseknows I Improvise a lot and, as
my wife loves saying to me, i'ma nut so I go with it.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I Exactly exactly, but yep, but yeah, i do want to
kind of dabble into some, andthere's some sports with you.
Like I said, i haven't youanybody in like a week, so My
voice is nice and clear now soBut I would.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But I do want to get it.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right, yeah, i do want to get your take on this.
This number one draft pick,victor Wimby Nama, that has been
has been drafted by San Antonio.
I Looked at I watched a summerleague game last night nine
points, eight rebounds and sixassists, and He was two for 13
(32:24):
from the field.
Given your opinion, is thatnumber one pick numbers?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Cuz this guy is supposed to be like.
The next generational talentsis LeBron James, and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I heard that too, and I bristled.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Not seeing it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm not seeing.
Here's what worries me aboutWimby Nama.
You would think he's athoroughbred at 73, but if you
watched the game last night orwatched any of his game overseas
, he can't get up and down thefloor.
(33:04):
And I mean that from the factthat he's winded, because this
first basket He was cherrypicking, his first ever NBA
basket He was cherry picking.
Why wasn't he on the defensiveend?
Why wasn't he letting a hand onthe defensive end?
Why was it five on fourdefensively and they couldn't
come up with a basket?
Great.
And then you have him bringingthe ball up the floor.
(33:26):
No, thank you, i can't.
I can't have that.
And if I were Greg Popovich andthis is nothing against the
young man at all, right, if Iwere Greg Popovich I'd be
totally worried.
I have him.
I'd have him in the weight roompart of the day, part of the
day, and Sprinting the otherpart of the day.
(33:49):
Because you're in a confinedarea, you're, you're, you're
within 94 feet.
And In this situation, with himbeing seven foot three, you got
, especially, you're playingwith more athletic players than
the players that I've seen growup Magic Johnson, michael Jordan
, larry Bird who didn't, whodidn't rely on their athleticism
(34:11):
but relied on hard work.
Mm-hmm, you got to put the hardwork in, kid.
I Don't see it Right and I knowPlaymaker, i know, i know it's
summer league, but if you thinkabout the way they were hyping
this kid up right and how theywere showing his games or
showing clips of his games, thisgoes back to the brawn in 2001.
(34:33):
Mm-hmm, i Don't see his staminaand I don't see his endurance
and I see a problem, becausewhat if someone decides to get
physical with him down in thepost?
What?
if someone decides to back himdown.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Like Yolk itch.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think you'll get a good dominate this kid.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Listen, dominate this kid.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I love Nikola Yolk itch who should have been a
three-time MVP.
All right, i love Nikola Yolkitch, but Nikola Yolk itch has
been putting in the work everyyear, whether it's his, whether
it, whether it's his jump shot,whether if it's his jump hook,
whether if it's his post gameand the.
The one thing I don't.
(35:16):
And you're right, theEvaluation will begin in October
, but I'm comparing him now toall the hype that he was given
from his days with, with theMetropolitan snaggity, and
there's the key right there He's19 years old.
Yeah, he is 19 years old.
(35:37):
He's not even developed.
You can't say if you have abust or a success until he's
four years in and What's gonnahappen within those four years?
Hell, you can honestly saywithin two years.
What's gonna happen withinthose two years?
Is he gonna put the weight on?
is he gonna have the stamina?
(35:57):
Is he gonna have the endurance?
You can't teach seven footthree.
You can't just like.
You can't eat seven foot twowith Nikola Yolk itch.
You can teach everything else.
You can teach the footwork.
You can see, mm-hmm.
If Wemby had a jump hook, forgeta jump shot.
If he had a jump hook, if hedeveloped well, let me change my
(36:20):
sentence.
If he develops a jump hook, hewill be something dangerous.
Yes, he's gotta get some girthto him.
And I'm not saying put on somuch Upper body strength that it
affects your stamina.
No, i'm saying Put more upper,put more strength on all over.
(36:40):
That way you can dominate bothsides of the floor.
Yes, it's his first NBA game.
Yes, there's a lot to lookforward to with Wemby, mm-hmm,
but right now I just don't seeit right.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I think What his fourth year?
I think it's fourth year.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
If he's gonna come out, It's gonna be right for
right, because That's the yearI'm look and that's the year I'm
looking for.
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem I have withwith Wemby and I meet, and I'm
talking in terms of His physicalsize.
He is seven foot four and only210 pounds.
Yes, problem.
(37:22):
Yes that's one reason He's not athoroughbred.
And someone asked me to draw acomparison.
Does the name Hashim the beatmean anything to you guys?
because he was all of that atConnecticut Mm-hmm, but couldn't
get up and down the floor.
You know how team when he was,when he was with them, you know
(37:43):
how teams beat him.
They ran Mm-hmm, they know theyran.
And no, i don't want Wembygetting bloated like Zion
Williamson, i'm just saying ifhe's seven foot four, he's got
to be at least 260 pounds.
Because, yeah, karim AbdulJabbar was seven two and two
sixty three.
Mm-hmm but you couldn't tell,because he was so strong and he
(38:06):
was so skilled and his IQ wasoff the charts.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That has a belt to me ?
Yeah, he's very late.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
He's very lengthy, you can't eat.
Seven foot four, you can't The.
The other player that you maydraw comparisons with on All
aspects would be Ralph Samson.
But here are two majordifferences.
One Ralph Samson played fouryears at Virginia.
Mm-hmm and second, asunfortunate is as it is, ralph
(38:34):
Samson's Hall of Fame career isbesieged by a knee injury.
Right, so Some kind of injuryis going to besiege, is going to
besiege when went by Yama,unless he gets stronger and
unless he, unless his enduranceincreases.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm gonna bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That would be the same thing with Manu bowl as he
was barely two thirty five atseven, seven.
But the thing with bowl hedeveloped a jump shot is crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, yep it just.
And people that are that big,the ball just looks funny in
their hands too, because you see, when you see him shoot, his
Hand is all the way around theball.
You know, it's just.
How can it, how can it be soaccurate like that?
That's my only thing with bigmen shooting is I can't trust
(39:26):
them because their chains arejust too big their hands.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Their hands are too big and The balls too slippery
in their hands because they'retoo big.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, i'm just saying yeah, he needs to put out some
weight, though That's for sure.
I honestly think that scootHenderson was the best person in
this draft.
Wait on him to like the bestpick.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
See, here's the problem I have with the younger,
with the crop of players thatkeep coming into the NBA, and
they get younger and younger andyounger and younger.
They're not ready.
In many ways they're not readyAnd you can't tell if they are
going to be who you thought theywere until three or four years
(40:18):
in.
Like you said, you have to waituntil their fourth year And by
that time they should becompleting their senior year of
college.
They should be completing that.
But the NBA has flipped so muchonto athleticism and not skill
(40:39):
and not basketball IQ because ofthe players getting younger and
younger and younger coming intothe league, that IQ is no
longer highlighted.
Athleticism is big problem.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep, no, no one teaches fundamentals anymore.
That's what I don't like, isthat you say that again, please.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Because I've said so many times on my program.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I've said it so many times Right, you remember the
USA basketball team, how theylike, dominated for so long.
And then there was that.
there was that skid, and thenwhat was beating them was
fundamental basketball passing,running plays, doing cuts,
setting picks fundamentalbasketball.
It wasn't showtime all the time.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The late great Jim Durham, who was the voice of the
Bulls for many years and voiceof ESPN radio for many years,
said it during a Bulls gamewhere they were playing the
Detroit Pistons.
What is basketball's most basicplay?
Pick and roll.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yep, pick and roll.
Yeah, that will never go awayfrom basketball.
That will always be anintricate part of basketball.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Always.
And look at how Denver runs thepick and roll and look at how
Golden State runs the pick androll.
50% of the time in a result, ina three point attempt, 50% of
the time they'll slice you topieces on the inside.
The last two, i'll mentionagain the last two champions the
Denver Nuggets and the GoldenState Warriors.
It wasn't always a three pointshot.
(42:12):
They slice you to pieces in theback door.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, that's true, it's the back door cuts, the
constant back door cuts.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I mean, you've heard Coles say on the show that
Golden State's offense and nowDenver's offense is the
Princeton offense.
On steroids, they'll find thebest shot, and the best shot is
two feet away from the basket.
How do you think Denverdominated on the inside against
the Lakers and later on againstMiami in the World Championship
(42:47):
Series?
They cut you, they chopped youto pieces on the inside.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So my old basketball coach, my old varsity basketball
coach, used to tell me yes,shooting threes is nice, it's
always nice to shoot a three andmake it every once in a while,
but why not go to the hole andeither get an easy bucket or get
fouled?
Speaker 3 (43:07):
That's what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You're going to get an easy bucket or you're going
to get fouled or you're going toget both and you're good.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Or you get both, or you get the foul and the bucket.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, or you get fouled.
How do you think?
How do you think Steph Curryled the league in scoring two
years ago?
He sliced you to pieces on theinside.
Yeah, it just happens that he'snot many people realize how
many times he was found in theback door or found his teammates
going back door Basicbasketball pick and roll.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Basic basketball.
He's speaking of basic.
Here we go.
You meant to forget about theword basic.
How true is that.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
How true is that that it's been used as a very
derogatory term?
Not for me, not for me.
How many times have we seenMagic Johnson fire a ball into
James Worthy or Abdul Jabbar orAC Green for a quick bucket?
Right See, point guards todayneed to look up the floor.
Look up the floor.
(44:14):
Don't look to shoot, unlessyou're Steph Curry, which you
can do that all the time, but,oh yeah, shoot all day.
It's a rarity, but Steph is ahybrid, but he's more of a point
guard, which is what a lot ofpeople don't believe.
Oh, he just shoots, he justshoots.
Look at his IQ for the game.
Look at how his IQ hasdeveloped over 14 years.
(44:35):
Look at how his IQ hasdeveloped at Davidson.
You can't teach that.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Part of it's probably being a son of us.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Oh, Del Curry, who I had the pleasure of meeting a
few years ago.
Well, shucks, that's passeddown to you, because when Del
was with the Cavs and later theHornets, and I grew up a Bulls
fan, he used to kill us comingoff the bench.
Yes, he was dangerous.
I mean, del Curry coming thegame and you're looking going.
(45:08):
Oh no, what are they going todo for you?
What do you think happens?
Run a screen off, a BradDaugherty and Del's popping one
from 20 feet?
That's too easy.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
That dude was lights out too.
Yeah, he was Just a greatshooter.
You forget You forget Like Idon't want to say old people,
but old people like me we forgethow good they were in the 90s,
the late 80s and the early 90sand mid 90s were You know who
used to really get on my nerves.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
We're talking about shooters and talking about old
school basketball and people whocame off the bench.
You know who used to really geton my nerves?
Vinnie Frickin Johnson from the.
Detroit Pistons the microwave,Because every time They go for a
second listen every time thebulls got closer to the Pistons
(46:06):
and score.
I'm just waiting to see number15 do something.
And then all of a sudden, youhear the PA.
and now to go pretty Johnsonand I'm walking around the house
going damn it, he did it again.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Bad boy, bad boy pistons.
That's when the pistons werephenomenal, so good.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
That's when they were developed.
Chuck Daly the late, greatChuck Daly developed that team
and they had another fellow onthere who I couldn't stand but I
love and respect dearly.
His name is Joe Dumars.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Joey D Yeah, because every time you saw the ball.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Every time you saw the ball of Joe Dumars, his
hands inside the going up, orhe's going right to the basket
and you're like Oh dear God.
And as soon as he let one go,you look at your score, but I
put it down and walk back.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Go away, go away.
He's not that good at being aGM, though.
I'm going to say that right now, because when he was running
the Pistons roster.
It was kind of pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
He had one.
He had one good year, oh, 2004.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, When they won the title.
Yeah when they beat my Lakers.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
But Joe Dumars used to kill us.
Joe Dumars used to, and he didit to the lake.
He did it to your Lakers.
Joe Dumars used to kill us tothe point where Dumars was
elected the finals MVP in 1989when they clenched Because when
(47:46):
I now never forget, the next daywent to school.
We're all sitting aroundtalking about it and all of a
sudden, one of my friends juststands up and says I can't stand
Joe Dumars.
And every thought in my headwas I know why he used to kill
us Because he used to daggers.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
He used to kill us.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Joey D he was sassin' .
Speaker 3 (48:11):
And then you had Isaiah Thomas run in the show.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Wasn't a big fan of Isaiah, was not a big fan of
Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
I was, but then I wasn't.
But hey look, isaiah Thomas isIsaiah Thomas.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Don't get me wrong he's a Hall of Famer and he
deserves it, but not a big fanof this.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I was less of a bigger fan of Joe Dumars and
even less of a fan of BillLambert because of his skills
Damn it.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
There you go, because Don't forget about-.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Listen, bill Lambert was one of the very first
stretch fours or stretch fivesthat I saw.
He'll beat you up in thepost-all game long, but I'll
never forget this one play, whenthey were playing the Bulls in
the East Finals in 89.
It was game four.
The Bulls had just come back totie the game.
Chicago State, chicago Stadium,was a nut house because we had
(49:09):
wiped out a 13 point deficit totie the game.
And why did they leave BillLambert open?
five feet behind the threepoint line?
Somebody didn't rotate And assoon as he got the ball my whole
family looked and said, oh shit, because we knew what was going
in.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I think that was like miscommunication.
Somebody missed it in the signBig time.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Someone got picked off.
Someone got picked off And oneof the wrong people to leave
open was Bill Lambert.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Bill Lambert.
Yeah, i got the pleasure ofmeeting Bill Lambert.
He came in when I was workingat Applebee's on State Street in
Saginaw way back when the longtime ago.
But he came in and got it to goorder And I was out just
talking to the bartender and hecomes in and I'm like that's
fucking Bill Lambert.
I am not going back to workright now.
(50:06):
I'm not doing it.
I'm gonna stay right out hereuntil this dude leaves.
I am not leaving.
I shook his hand and got apicture with him And I was like,
man, i wish I had something foryou to sign.
He's like I can sign your workshirt.
And I was like, no, don't signthat work shirt.
I was like, no, i'll just leaveit at a handshake.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Here's what people don't understand about Bill
Lambert, because I had thepleasure of meeting him when he
was a WNBA coach for the DetroitShock.
I mean, when it came time toplay he laced him up and played.
And he didn't play dirty, hewas a big man.
He was told to beat people upin the post.
That's what he was trained todo.
That's what he was told to doOutside of the floor.
(50:45):
One of the nicest men you'llever meet.
One of the nicest men you'llever meet.
And I had a chance to do apress conference with him And I
shook his hand And I'm like Iwanted to curse him for all the
times he would beat up my bowls.
But then every piece of sensein me said that's what he was
trained to do.
That's what Chuck Daly told himto do.
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The pistons had the advantage.
They had James Edwards.
They had Bill Lambert.
They had Dennis Rodman, whostarted and came off the bench
and then started again afterMark Aguilar was brought in.
They had the advantage RickMahorn.
They had the advantage JohnSally It's nice Spider Sally too
.
They had the advantage Size Andthey used it.
(51:30):
They were supposed to exploitthat.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, they did that.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
They were supposed to exploit that.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
And what else are you going to do when you have
Michael Jordan jumping over youall the damn time?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm like you have to hit him.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I'm sorry, i'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I'm not going to take you, you're right.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
If you're going to try and dunk over me every
single possession, I'm going tohit you.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
I'm going to hit you hard.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
You're like you're not going to do it every time.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Exactly.
But you know what scared thepistons and pistons fans when
the Bulls figured it out in 91,.
when they figured it out andthey ran as an offense and not
just Michael Jordan againsteverybody when they figured it
out, even the most ardent pistonfans came up to me after game
two and said you know what Ithink the Bulls have got this
(52:23):
series.
And I'm being cautious And Isaid we just held serve at home.
And he looked me in the eye andhe said we will not get past
Memorial Day if we allow thisBulls team to sink in
defensively.
And that was the key.
That was the key point.
If you let that Bulls team sinkin defensively, forget it.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Right, Yep, That was.
I believe that was the yearthat I lost all respect for
Isaiah Thomas too.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
That's why I didn't want to say.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
I'm like, well, it's not.
It's just not that he walkedout the floor, because the whole
team did it.
But when he walked out thefloor, he crunched Like he
ducked.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
So people, wouldn't see him.
He didn't even shake anybody'shand, right.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Right And he just ducked it.
while everyone else got booedand stuff throwing at him, He
just ducked out.
And that's when I don't know,that's when I lost all respect
for Isaiah Thomas And plus hecries about not being on the
team.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Here's an NBA question for you, and this is a
fan question as well.
Can we please, please, bringback the Seattle SuperSonics.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Please.
I believe they're next on thelist.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
They should have never left.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
No, they shouldn't have.
No, for real, they shouldn'thave.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
But they should have never left Seattle.
I mean, I hate you, ClayBennett, for taking away the
Seattle SuperSonics.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
One of the most legendary teams to ever play in
the.
NBA Yes, legendary team.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I mean you can't mention an old Western
conference series withoutmentioning the Seattle
SuperSonics.
You just can't.
And basketballs, professionalbasketballs, not right in OKC,
it's not, no, it's not.
I get yelled at all the time.
I get yelled at all the time,people saying to me, well, they
built a following, yeah, off thebacks of the SuperSonics, right
(54:19):
.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, those banners in the rafters.
they're not OKCs, They belongto Seattle.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
That 1979 championship that was in Seattle
, that was in the kingdom, thatwas in Seattle.
Santa Coliseum That belongs tothe Sonics, yeah, and then
people ask me how do we make itright?
You know what you do.
You take the Sonics history andyou wipe it out at OKC.
You bring it back home toSeattle, build the team there
(54:48):
and let OKC keep the historythat they have there.
Period.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
That's how you saw that They're long enough.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
They have a history.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
now They have indeed, they have a history now.
They have a finals appearance.
They got a Western Conferencefight.
They have a Western Conferencechampionship, a Western
Conference finals appearance.
They have their history now,but the rest of the 41-year
history before that that's nottheirs.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Exactly, i completely agree.
I was stunned when I heard thatthe Seattle SuperSonics were
moving to OKC.
I was like what?
Why?
Like, out of all teams, theSeattle SuperSonics, like you,
couldn't take another Californiateam and move them to OKC?
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Sacramento or somebody.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Well, now Sacramento's back on the map
with the year that they just hadFinally.
And the Golden One Center isabout to be off the charts for
the next few years, with theteam that put together.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
I think it's a fluke.
I think the Kings are a fluke.
I think it was a fluke year.
We will see.
I do like Keegan Murray andDe'Aaron Fox.
Don't get me wrong, i do likethose two.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I love De'Aaron Fox.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
I don't think so, but this is.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
I love De'Aaron Fox.
De'Aaron Fox should have beenthe Lakers pick instead of Lonzo
Ball.
De'Aaron Fox was ready.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Thank you Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
De'Aaron Fox was the pick that the Lakers should have
snagged instead of Lonzo Ball,and the Lakers have not
recovered since not pickingDe'Aaron Fox because the Kings
are building around De'Aaron Foxand that should have been the
Lakers building around De'AaronFox Period.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
It wouldn't have happened, though, because you
know who would have traded them.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
You ain't going to tell me twice.
Am I 2000?
By the end of 2019, de'aaronFox probably would have been
sent packing this Sacramentoanyway, dog gone.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
I get a lot of ish on Facebook about my beef with
LeBron.
I get a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
Like, how are you Lakers paying you for LeBron?
You should see some of thisshit that I get.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
I get it.
I get it, use it.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
You should see some of the comments I get, because
every time I have a criticalpoint about LeBron's game or
LeBron's achievement and how wegot there, i'm called a hater
And I'm going.
I am not hating.
Don't you understand that I'mnot hating.
I just know what I was blessedto watch for the better part of
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25 years, and this ain't it.
No, that's as simple as it gets.
I've seen what's the problemwith NBA fan when it comes to
LeBron or some of these otherplayers.
What is the problem with trueNBA fans like you and I saying
three words aloud?
I've seen better.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
What's wrong with that?
And we have to because theleague wasn't this soft.
It was not this soft when wewere watching girl football.
Oh hell no.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
This league was nowhere near When I got into it
in 1980, this league was it forme, especially when Magic
Johnson became the only rookieto date to win the finals MVP
award, because he told PaulWesthead, who was the Lakers
coach at the time, never fearMagic's here.
And that 20-year-old went intothe spectrum in Philadelphia and
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dropped 42 points, snatched 15rebounds and dished out seven
assists in a game thatPhiladelphia had to have, but
the Lakers wanted more.
You knew it was the Lakersnight when they opened with the
first seven points of the gamein Philadelphia.
Remember, this is after theLakers snatched a 3-2 lead and
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lost their captain.
They lost their captain to aninjury.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yep, that's when cream went down.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
And on the plane to Philadelphia, this 20-year-old
rookie was bold enough to startat center against Caldwell-Jones
and did what he did, in fact,jim Jones.
I remember Jim Jones trying topush Magic out of the center
circle and Magic was like no, igot this.
And then that happened.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Right Magic Johnson was a completely different
animal.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
It's like wow, he never saw.
He developed the game.
Like if you speak ongenerational talents, you got to
speak.
Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
Magic Johnson, absolutely.
I mean because he won the NCAAchampionship the year before,
got drafted by the Lakers andthen helped carry them to a
championship.
Matter of fact, helped clinchthe championship in Philadelphia
.
Back to back years, that beganthe process of Bird and Magic
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saving the NBA.
And then in 1984, michaelJordan showed up and took it to
another level.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Bird was a bad dude, though, too.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Man Larry Bird was.
I hated him but loved him.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
The only dude that'll tell you what he's going to do.
do it And then, dare you, tostop him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
And then dare you to stop him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
There you go, call a white boy right there.
That's a call a white boy.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Listen, when Larry got in that shooting position,
you just look up and go oh hell,here it comes And it drops.
There is nothing you can doabout that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Nothing No.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
No, it's amazing.
As soon as you saw his eyes goup, you knew what was going in.
You didn't have to shoot theball yet.
As soon as his eyes went up,you knew what was going in.
Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I think Larry Bird was the first player I ever saw
to launch a shot and then runthe other way because he knew it
was going in the basket.
I think Larry was the firstplayer I ever saw do that.
But at the time we were growingup watching the NBA.
Every player had a signaturewith Magic Johnson.
It was his passing with LarryBird, it was his jump shot with
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the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
You know what it was.
The Skyhook.
With MJ, it was the tonguecoming out, leaping over
everybody.
But here's what people do notwant to acknowledge about
Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan had a jump shotin development when he came into
the league in 1984.
It just got more accuratethroughout the years.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
He wasn't the greatest three-point shooter,
but yeah, it was good for him.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
But, at the same time , he didn't need to be the
greatest three-point shooter.
He knew what his skills wereand maxed them out.
Right, he knew what his skillswere and he maxed them out.
The year that LeBron scored3,000 in a season, i want to say
it was 2017.
(01:01:44):
The year that LeBron scored3,000 in a season, he took a lot
of three-point field goal.
He made, he attempted a lot ofthree-point field goal shots.
You know how many three-pointfield attempts Michael Jordan
attempted when he scored 3,000points in the season?
12 total 12 1987, mj scored3,000 points in a year, became
(01:02:10):
the second person to do thataside of will chamberlain, and
And he only took 12 three-pointshots the entire in 82 games
amazing And if you can't well,shots, that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
That's like one shot every three to five games.
Yeah, if that Right.
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
There were so many where he didn't take a
three-point shot.
But again, like you and I bothsaid, he didn't need to.
Right, exactly, he didn't needto when he first came in and
this and this was this is provenfact He always attacked the rim
.
It's it was rare from 84 to 80.
I say 84 to 88.
It was rare to see himAttempted jump shot.
(01:02:54):
Now, by about the midpoint of88, he started figuring out okay
, i need to develop this so hewould take more jump shots, but
they would be within the arc.
They weren't.
They weren't outside, theyweren't three-point shots.
And The and a side of Jamesworthy, the meanest mid-range
game I ever saw was from MJUh-huh.
(01:03:16):
Oh it's mid-range game I eversaw was from MJ like that fade
away.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Oh geez, that was unguardable.
Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
The two most indefensible shots.
Your team had one, my team hadone the skyhook and the fade
away The two most indefensibleshots in NBA history.
The next one that could comeclose to that was the fade from
Patrick Ewing that he would hitan impossible angles.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yes, Like I would watch Patrick Ewing play and I
would be like how is this goingin, right, so angry?
How is it going in?
knock it off?
Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
You look at some of the shots that Patrick Ewing
would take and You know his petmove always came on the left
block, always came on the on theleft block And it would always
come on the come on the baselineand he would spin away And you
knew it was letting it go, buthe had that reach and he had
that follow through.
There's a fundamental term Hehad that follow through and
(01:04:22):
you're wondering there's no waythat's gonna get through there
And it just hits nothing but netand you're going how He's going
, how That's all you can do,like how is this going in?
how There was a shot that Ewinghit against the Bulls To seal
(01:04:45):
the game because the Knicks ledthe Bulls by 13 at one point.
I want to say this was 96, 97year and MJ hit a bucket to cut
it to two and they get it toEwing in the post.
He backed up twice, turn to hisleft and Let it go and I'm
(01:05:07):
going there's no way off thebackboard in the far corner and
fell in.
What the fuck was that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
right, i don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Like what the fuck was that?
and and they show where heactually Hit the hit the corner
and it was the top part of thecorner on the backboard.
Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
What the hell was that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
That's that's.
That's a lot, that's a lot ofEnglish, that's what that is, or
something I don't know.
That's some ignorant.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
English and I saw Steph Curry hit the same kind of
shot over Dirk Novitsky oneyear.
Novitsky has Curry trapped inthe corner And I think, okay,
novitsky's gonna block this orCurry's gonna pass it.
Nope, nope, steph just leansinto one deep in the corner.
Let's it fly.
(01:06:09):
I don't like Off the glass andthrough the bucket at the top
part of the corner before itwent out.
Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Right, exactly, staying very insane.
Well, yeah, we are actuallyrunning out of time.
I hate to end.
Man I really have, but I kindof have to, i'm sorry.
I do want to save some sports,though, because I am actually
(01:06:41):
gonna be on your show here quitesoon.
Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Yes, we actually got to save some sports talk for
that show too.
Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
We do, we do, but, man, thank you for having me on.
It was a thrill, it was apleasure and it was, more
importantly, it was an honor tohang with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It's it's.
It's great to watch you guys.
I enjoy your guys the show Iwould love to have you back on.
Maybe we'll get you on.
Bet that Like.
We'll do that too, like you gotit You got it.
It's amazing.
It's me.
Yeah, I would like to see youand Jerry and go at it too.
It's that be awesome.
He don't want it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
He don't want this.
No, i'm, i'm, i'm, i'm, i'm.
I'm totally kidding as I saythat, but you know that would be
.
You know, you know that wouldbe must see Him and I going back
and forth, and you know whatthe crazy part is.
I'm willing to bet you thatwithin a minute, both of us
(01:07:39):
would be sitting there laughingour asses off the whole time.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, that's, that's why we do this anyways.
Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yes, yeah sports.
Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yes, we love Talk about it and we have our
opinions, but all in all, it'sit's.
It's all about having fun andit is chilling with your friends
.
Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
It is all about fun.
It is man It was.
It was such an honor.
It was such an honor tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Awesome, yeah, i would love to have you back on
and but yeah, before you go, goahead and tell these people
where they can find you, wherethey can follow you and stuff
you can follow me at snowmanmultimedia on YouTube and all
other platforms, or you canfollow me at B snow multimedia
on my personal platforms.
Awesome, awesome again.
(01:08:27):
Thank you, sir.
Thank you for stopping by.
Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I appreciate you.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Awesome, awesome, brian snow, everyone from
snowman in the morning, snowmanmultimedia.
Go ahead, check those guys outYouTube, facebook, instagram,
twitter, all that good stuff.
Links are in the descriptionbelow, and Be sure to check us
out next week.
Yes, we are back at our regulartiming.
Next week, saturday, july 15th,we have Roxanne Luciano coming
on and This is gonna be a greattime.
(01:08:57):
She's, we're gonna drop some.
We're gonna drop some songs andwe're gonna talk about what
she's got Going on in her, inher career, and That's it.
Everyone.
I love you guys.
Stay up, hey.
I got a Scotty and a Frozehead Big Boss like I'm Rose
.
I see one of these at the homemain Lil' Betty and she home
main right my city at the homegame up and down and go
gold-graze and the sprint istaking up both legs Hopping.
We boom and the package beboomin'.
Yeah, we got it, we got it.
Got it.
Sheep ticking and chosen andlow at the moment.
Yeah, we got it, we got it, gotit.
They cannot door we doin'.
You see how we movin'.
(00:30):
We got it.
We got it, got it.
Mess with the squad?
you try to try to go against us.
I highly doubt it.
All of my bros, we got it, gotit.
They know the show.
We got it, got it.
Been on the road.
We got it, got it.
We cannot go without it.
I did Mess with the squad.
You try to try to Go against us.
I highly doubt it.
Been on the road.
We got it, got it.
We cannot go without it.
I did I be unexcited.
Can't mess with the toxic,curvy little body.
(00:51):
Be all on me Keepin' it spicy.
You know that.
I got it.
If she need it, just call on me.
Run up the tab.
We runnin' it back.
I'm on me.
Yeah, you will ball on me, ridewith me.
We gon' roll, roll, get it.
Try, yeah, go.
So on, so on.
Hoppin' we zoomin'.
The package be boomin' yeah, wegot it, we got it, got it.
Sheep ticking and chosen andlow at the moment yeah, we got
it, we got it, got it.
They cannot door.
We doin'.
You see how we movin'.
We got it, we got it, got it.
(01:12):
Mess with the squad.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
What is poppin' everyone?
What's goin' on?
Welcome to the Dan Leveau Show.
Thank you for watching live andif you're not watching live,
thank you for clicking the playbutton.
Anyways, today we have a veryspecial guest.
I get to yell at somebody elsebesides Jerry in today, so this
is gonna be awesome We do have.
He's a creator of SnowmanMultimedia and the host of
(01:37):
Snowman in the Morning, one ofmy favorite sports shows in the
morning.
He is Brian Snow, so we'regonna go ahead and bring him on.
Let's get this going.
How you doin', sir?
What's?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
up Danimo.
How's it going man?
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Ah, not much, not much.
He's livin' the dream, livin'the dream Every day man, i took
off a week off of work.
You're right for the Fourth ofJuly, yeah, and I ended up
scheduling six shows during myvacation.
So my vacation's not really avacation.
I'm still working, but I'm justnot working, working.
(02:16):
You know what I'm?
Speaker 3 (02:16):
saying Man, you don't wanna see my schedule book
right now, you don't wanna see.
let me tell you something.
My wife, my beautiful wife Jody, knows that I try to remember
more things and I have ahorrible time doing so, so she
(02:39):
instructed me to get one ofthese.
Yeah, you don't wanna see itright now, because it's like
booked for a while.
I put my daily shows in theschedule and I put them on the
Google Calendar so she'll knowwhen I'm taping or when I'm live
or whatever.
I'll tell you what man she'sbeen my organizer, to say the
(03:03):
least.
She's been that for me.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Right, right.
We have some familiar peoplepopping up in the comments.
I recognize those names.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Well, you hang out with us in the morning, so you
ought to know some of thesenames.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, Every chance I get, every chance I get, I try
to get.
I try to grab your show.
That's one thing about having aweek off is I got to watch your
show five times.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Good, good, because I know most of the time you're
working and you catch some ofthe replay and then you send me
your comments afterwards.
So to see you live five days,man, it helps to grow the show
and grow the audience, and Ican't tell you how much I
appreciate you coming in.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, before we get startedeverything, go ahead and take a
second to introduce yourself tothe people who don't know you
out there.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, i am Brian.
I'm originally from Chicago.
I got started in sports castingin 1995 doing play by play.
A year after that I starteddoing sports talk and play by
play.
I've been doing it.
This will be my 28th year beingactive in sports media.
What came to be snowmanmultimedia was founded way back
(04:22):
in 1996 and we've gone throughseveral name changes, several
ideas and I got to give creditto Jody.
Jody said settle on a name,take the brand and build it.
So just took my nickname, putmultimedia behind it and, lo and
behold, it's the.
(04:42):
And that came into being lessthan two years ago because I had
it under another name.
But I couldn't get everythinguniform.
So finally I just took thepieces that I had and put it
together in a puzzle and Jodylooked at me and said look, you
got something solid, stick withit.
So I'm sticking with it, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Exactly, yeah, it's like my fiance.
When I told her I was going tostart a podcast she kind of just
looked at me sideways like yeah, okay, okay, you're going to be
Joe Rogan Here we go Okay,you're going to be Joe Rogan.
Here we go And it's now threeyears running and she's like
you're actually getting good atthis And I was like, yeah, three
(05:20):
years will do that to you.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
For those of you that are not familiar, my main show
is Snow Man in the Morning, andthose of you who know my wife's
voice that opens the show, thisis this is what she does.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Mr We please wake up.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
And that happened purely on accident, because I
heard her say something while wewere watching a football game,
something about us in football,and her voice, just it was
already stuck, but it in thatcomedic sense it stuck.
And I said would you recordsomething for me?
And she gave me this wicked,she gave me this wicked smile.
(05:57):
I was like all right, what doyou have for me?
And I wrote that line down Andshe turned and looked at me and
she says how do you want torecord it?
I say you know how you gethurried.
You know you get hurried whenyou try to wake me up and I and
I and I'm not waking up.
She said, yeah, i said give methat, for that's what happened.
That's what happened.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
That's what happened.
That's great.
But yeah, have you always beenlike a, like a sports fan, or
have you, like wanted to go likea different direction with it,
or no, it's always been sports.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It's been sports for me since, watching sports with
my, my parents and especially mydad.
My grandfather, who my dad,took me in my first baseball
game And what got me intofootball was a simple play
called the catch Montana toClark against the Cowboys.
(06:57):
That made me a 49er fan forlife.
And my mother, rest her soulfor years, would ask me you're
from Chicago, how can you likethe 49ers?
and you're from Chicago, howcome you don't like the bears?
I said, mom, it's pretty simple.
We actually have a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Bears suck too.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Oh, when I, when I told her we actually, we
actually had a quarterback, andthen I told, and then I reminded
her who it was, and she says,all right, all right, all right.
And then the year she asked methat the Bears played the 49ers
in the NSC championship atSoldier Field, and when Jerry
Rice caught the first touchdownpass to the game, i went
(07:36):
upstairs and took a nap becauseI knew the game was over.
You see it throughout games.
You see it throughout games andyou're like, ok, there's this
one play that just busted wideopen.
And you're like, ok, i'm good.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
That's it.
I don't need to watch anymore.
It's over.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
It's, it's done, it's done, it's.
It's that one, it's that one.
Play that opens up, openseverything up.
Now I came downstairs thatafternoon and mom just looked at
me.
Dad's smiling OK, and laughingthroughout the house.
Mom just looked at me and wenthow did you know?
I said mom, who's a 49ersquarterback, and she starts
(08:23):
laughing.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Like who's your quarterback?
You know who Jerry Rice is.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
You're on that game And you and you and.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
I could have, i could have swore.
I heard my mother go.
Jerry, i could have swore, iheard my mother go.
damn, jerry Rice, i told you.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Damn Jerry Rice.
Actually have a signMississippi Valley State
University helmet signed byJerry Rice, nice Very nice, that
was that was one of my greatmystery boxes that I got out of
the mail.
I was just like I'm gonna bewhole like the king, the king
(09:12):
right here.
You can't go wrong with that.
No, you can't go wrong with thebest wide receiver they ever
lived.
You can't, you can't, you can'tdo it.
But I do watch your show everysingle or try to watch so every
single morning, but I do watchit every single day And you have
a great segment on there And Ienjoy it so much that I need to
(09:36):
talk about it.
Ok, the LeBron Sexuels segment.
Ok, for everyone who does thatknow what, the LeBron Sex
segment is LeBron Sexuelssegment on Snowman in the
Morning is pretty much thembashing LeBron James for a good
(09:59):
minute and a half.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
You want to know something?
Cole started that on his show,cole Sports on the Daily OK, and
one day I said can I borrowthat and bring it to my show?
He said yeah, go ahead, use it.
Well, he would actually havebefore he brought it to, before
(10:22):
he fully brought it to my show,he called me as a guest And I
said there's one thing you haveto do for me.
He says what's that?
I said you have to voice theBronze Sexual Confessions intro
And he did that one live on theair And we took off And about an
(10:45):
hour later he finally concludedit And I'm on the with some of
the things that he and I bothsay and do.
We just slated the second houron Wednesdays as the Bronze
Sexual Hour because some of thestuff that we see and hear, good
grief, we can't put it in theregular show.
(11:05):
We just can't.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah, that's true.
You can't put it in.
No, no, no.
You can't put it, you can't putit in the regular show, right
Yeah.
When I first, i was just like,oh my God, this is hilarious.
And the the, the, the Trace,the Trace segment too, that's it
(11:40):
.
That's like classic.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Call comes up with some.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
It was like three minutes.
Yeah, it was like three minutesof like wild, wild stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
And he and I talked one day off the air when he did,
when he unveiled that segment,and he says that's only a, it's
going to be a one time thing,it's going to be one time
throwaway, not.
It's stuck with me with Jody,with everybody.
(12:13):
And, lo and behold, it's nowtaken a life of its own, where
some of the guests that we haveRyan McCarthy, of course, you
saw a sick diggy who joins usfrom Norway, victor Locke, who
joins me from my hometown ofChicago Every time we come up
with a name, they'll flip it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I came up with the.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Irvingologist, the Bradyites and the Heart Knights.
but that's my spin, Those aremy spins off the off the bronze
sexuals.
So that's how all that gotstarted.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's another one too.
Don't forget about the BenSimmons, the Ben Simmons Amber
Alerts.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
You know, and Simmons you know it's crazy topic on it
, so, um, if it was Okay therewe go.
Maybe we here we go.
You know it's crazy.
See some things that we createon the show we don't think will
(13:23):
stick Wrong.
When bronze sexual confessionsit is trial and error When
bronze sexual confessions becamea permanent part of a Wednesday
show.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Oh, he's really.
He's rebooting the technicaldifficulties.
Everyone.
He is we.
Brian snow is rebooting as wespeak.
But yeah, quick timeouteveryone.
If you haven't gone and watchedthe Brian snow in the morning,
make sure you go and do so.
These guys are hilarious.
Not only do they have reallygood takes on sports there,
(14:05):
they'll keep you laughing theentire time.
It's not, it's entertaining andentertaining.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
I guess You know it's , you know it's wild.
Some of the stuff that we comeup with are just off the cuff
and we think of it during theshow.
Yeah we think of it, we think ofit during the show, that that
This right here, ready.
Oh, i Recorded live on the air,okay, and I mixed it and I put
(14:35):
it in my and I put it in thesound base and it took off to
the point where Ryan McCarthydid a video trailer for it and I
attached the sound to it.
So the folks that we haveinvolved with the show guests
are Part of the creative teamThere's.
(14:56):
They're so creative and we'rejust going.
Okay, how can we use this?
How can we use this?
and I Messed up Cole onemorning when I threw his own
voice at him because he was Kneedeep into something and all of
a sudden I said you know what,cole?
I have to tell you something.
He says what's that?
(15:17):
and I fired this, adam, youtripped it and I'm cracking up.
So some of this stuff.
It's like you said, it's it'strial, it's trial and error, but
it's.
It's such a joy To do everymorning, you know, to hang with
(15:39):
the people that that we hangwith and to get get some new
guests in and some new fans inthat that chime in and that that
list is growing every day.
And now I've added an Afternoonshow and the crowd filters from
the morning filters fromsnowman in the morning to the
Brian snow show in theafternoons and It's kind of the
(16:01):
same thing but it's.
It's different in the sense ofwho my interview, because I
wanted to set that show as myvariety show and Cole came up.
Cole's my executive producerand he came up with the perfect
tagline when he said wheresports is the base, life and fun
are the result.
And I said, i said that's it,that's it.
(16:24):
So I interviewed folks from allwalks of life on my afternoon
show and it too is a blast to do.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Okay, yeah, yeah, the bright snow show.
I only watched a few episodesof that of the past couple days,
but Yeah, that's, that'samazing to yell like.
You have amazing guests onthere too.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Well, some of them find me, i find them, but it's a
, it's a great mix.
It's a great mix, right.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Exactly now.
How many, how many people doyou have working for snowman
multimedia?
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Right now only about, there's only about five or six
of us.
There's only about five or sixof my wife included, but oh,
nice.
I have guests that throw ideasat me and Some of my friends
throw ideas at me becausethey're starting to Get the show
.
The real creative brain behindall the production is my wife,
(17:26):
jody.
Yeah, because she'll help memanage my time, she'll help me
manage my projects and she'llthrow suggestions at me and I at
her, and She's been one of thesteadying forces of this.
And now to have this be asuccess at its most successful
point And I've been doing thisparticular show ten years,
(17:47):
almost ten years.
It'll be ten years in October.
But to have it at this mostsuccessful point, after the
trial and error, the starts andthe stops, and To have the
people in the group that that wedo, yourself included.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
It's amazing.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
It's absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, so so you weren't.
It wasn't like a COVID thing,like most, like most of us, like
me included, because when COVIDhit I didn't have anything to
do, so I created a podcast rightso you've been at it for like,
actual like Years and upon yearson this.
This was just like COVID thingfor you.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
No, this is beyond.
This is beyond COVID.
This is something I've wantedto do Most of my life, and the
show that really got me startedin sports talk was Mike and Mike
in the morning.
Yeah, I'm looking into them andI said you know what?
I want to fashion a show liketheirs and I wanted to Do
(18:43):
something like this, but in aless amount of time, because,
especially given how my healthhas been lately, i can't sit
here for four hours at a time.
Right which, which is crazy,because I'll try to stay in
post-production for That thatamount of time.
But then I'll get a reminder.
You know I have to take a nap,i got, i have to shut down for a
(19:05):
while, i have to eat my lunchand and things like that.
But I Did have a three-hourshow once, but after everything
that happened with the bloodclots in my lungs and the
pancreatic cancer, i decided tostick to two hours.
The two hours is the most outis the most I'll do, except if
(19:25):
it's play by, play call, and youknow how long some of those can
go.
Right, so that that's it.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
That that just depends right now there, there
was a, there was a app on there,i think it was like a Color box
or it was color something andyou can go on there and you
pretty much did.
You could do like Play by playof, like games that you see on
TV, so anyone could pretty muchbe a commentator and you record
(19:52):
yourself or to go live and dothat.
And I found That some of themwere pretty good, but others
were just like.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
You don't have to tell me.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
You know that the town was just so terrible.
I was like you do it.
Like most of them weren't eventalking about the game.
They were just talking about,like the favorite players and
some of them got into like theJordan LeBron debates.
You know that could go onforever, but it was.
It was just hysterical.
Yeah, some of them.
You know what they, what thegame was about you know who won.
(20:24):
The score was enough.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
You know it's.
You know what's crazy.
They contacted me, mm-hmm,wanting me to be a part of, to
be a part of their network and IAsked them two questions.
One am I gonna get paid for itto do?
you want me to do the radiostyle of play by play?
And when they said no to bothquestions, i was out.
Wow, yeah, i was this.
(20:45):
I was disinterested because andI heard, like you said, i Heard
some of them try to do.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
What.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
I've done for over 25 years?
Yeah, not even close.
I mean right, even me in myrookie year, 1995, and I knew I
didn't know, and I still don'tknow, everything I need to know
about doing play by play.
That's why I always listen,that's why I always practice,
and When I go on assignment,Jody helps me with my checklist,
making sure I, making sure Ihave everything, and then I have
(21:16):
all my notes and If there's anart to it, yes, there is an art.
There's an art to Doing play byplay.
And there are so many peoplebecause I'm about to open a play
by play Academy, you know, andthat that idea just hit me.
I Someone put the idea in myhead and then Jody repeated it
and finally, this summer I saidlet me start formulating and see
(21:38):
what I can do to Make to, tomake this happen.
Because I've had a couplepeople come to me and they said
how do you?
they asked me How do, how do Ido this?
And I said, okay, you know what.
I think it's time I can put thewheels in motion for this.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
Nice, nice.
So how did, how did you createthe network?
Because I was, i was actuallythinking about doing like a
whole network myself and havinglike a Radio, like a playlist of
other shows coming on but, Ifeel like it would be exhausting
for one And I don't think Ihave the time to do something
(22:16):
like that.
Yeah, but is it like?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
very good, exhausting .
But when people come to you andThey said can you air?
can you air my show because, um, there have been so many people
that sent their shows todifferent stations across the
country and they couldn't, youknow, they couldn't get in the
airtime.
And I looked at, i looked atwhat I have and I said, you know
what, i got plenty of airtime.
(22:41):
So I figured out with it, rollthe dice and see what happens,
and the only thing I have towork on now is scheduling them
and Getting them used to thetechnology that I use for people
to dial in, people to dial intomy station or log into my
station so they can run theirshow or they can send me their
programs And I'll air it at a ata different time, right, but It
(23:04):
does get.
It does get exhausting.
But I've learned this over theyears and I will continue to
learn it day by day, by day bymoment by moment by moment.
Failure to prepare is preparingto fail and I failed many
hundred thousands of times in mylife.
(23:25):
But guilty it's, it's, it'sGetting into a rhythm, it's
getting into a nice rhythm And,like you said earlier, uh, trial
and error It's, it's, it'sliterally trial and error where
you can succeed or fail.
(23:46):
If you implement something andit doesn't work, yank it out and
try and uh and try somethingelse.
But When you want it as bad asI do, you're willing to push the
plunger, blow it up and try totry again several hundred
thousand times, as I have.
And when you cannot seeyourself doing anything else,
(24:12):
when you can see yourself On thegrind every day, whether it's
an hour at a time or a couple ofhours at a time, or if you
spend just 20 minutes Feedinginto this, what is the next step
?
That's the question You alwayshave to ask yourself and that's
something Jody has hammered intomy head for as long as we've
been together, because I alwaystalk about it And then she'll
(24:34):
finish my thought of okay,what's the next step?
How do you do this?
So, as long as you have thatquestion to answer and you're
willing to Do the research, putthe time in and work on
answering that question, you'llalways have work.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Right, exactly, exactly.
You have to love it.
To be honest with you, you haveto absolutely love it.
Yeah, i was like I neverthought that I would see myself
staring at a computer screen,talking to people or even Just
interviewing people in person.
I never thought that I would bedoing that.
But lo and behold, here we go,there you go.
My dad was yeah, my dad was akaraoke host, so I guess I got
(25:14):
comfortable on the microphonedoing that, because there'd be
times where he got You know,because he would drink for free.
But there'd be times where hegot to To shit face and do his
show and he did his.
Hand me the microphone.
I was like here, give my showfor him.
He was like you can't just handme a microphone, i'm gonna talk
the entire time Like you justcan't hand me a microphone and
(25:35):
be like, uh, let people sing andI'm gonna go.
No, they're gonna listen to methe entire time.
That's when my dad's like youshould be in like some sort of
entertainment.
He's like and that was justlike I, i want to be on the
radio, that's all I want to be.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yeah, yeah here's.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
Here's the wild part.
You know what got me Reallyreally interested in in sports
media?
It was actually Um my love forgame shows.
And the different game, thedifferent game show hosts and
their style and how they speak,and Learning the rules,
repeating the rules.
I once heard that repetition isthe mother of skill, and it
(26:14):
certainly is, because the moreyou repeat, the more you repeat
something.
The more you keep doingsomething, the better you get at
it.
Mm-hmm, and I know I'm gonnadate myself here, but the first
game show I ever watched was theprices.
Right, i Got hooked immediately.
But then family few gotintroduced to me, then card
(26:35):
sharks got introduced to me Andthen this is little bitty known
cult of a show we like to callpressure.
Look, that got introduced to meAnd I wanted to learn all their
styles.
I wanted to learn how they, howthey did this and How much
repetition they put into it, howmuch practice they put into it,
(26:57):
because you have there's,there's a lot of practice that
goes into this.
There's a lot of repetitionthat goes into this.
The biggest thing I found in my28 years Taking the first step.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Mm-hmm Got a job you have to jump.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
You have to jump.
You got to, you got to takethat first step.
I mean, how good?
how will you know how good youare if you don't take the chance
?
And I got to tell you somethingI've passed up on many, many
chances.
But then, when I got into thisusing my own brand and my own
details, anchors away, i'm all,i was all in.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Right, yeah, for sure .
But yeah, it's, it's, it'samazing, it's like all the
things that you Didn't thinkthat was going to happen
actually start happening.
And then you're just like why?
It's like, wow, everything'sactually working out.
And by actually by working out,i just want to take a second to
congratulate you on beingmonetized on YouTube.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Thank you like brand new.
Thank you Yeah.
The look on the look on Jody'sface when I told her because I
told her last, i told her lastnight And I reminded I said out
loud, i said now the work reallybegins.
But she looked at me and saidbut you cleared a major hurdle
that you've wanted to clear fortwo years, mm-hmm.
(28:24):
So I celebrate.
I celebrated that.
And then I Got up today and duginto my desk and whatever I
needed to do, i took breaks whenI when I needed to.
But that is a huge for contentcreators.
When you get that notificationthat you've been accepted Into
(28:44):
the YouTube Partner Program.
That's a huge hurdle becausenow you can iron out all the
details and really maximizeeverything that you need and and
Your next steps are basicallylined up for you.
It's just up to you to reallyiron out the details.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
As I said, Right, yeah, that's, that's everyone's
goal on here.
I'm sorry, but if you'relistening to a podcast or
watching a show on YouTube,that's everyone's goal is to get
monetized.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
It is, it's sure, was it sure was mine.
We don't want to do this forfree all the time No I.
You know what?
I got time when I was atChicago State.
I one day walked into the sportin the in the athletic
director's office, and I saidyou know what I'm tired of doing
this for free.
And When he looked at me andgiggled, I walked out and never
(29:38):
came back right.
And I said, okay, if you'regonna do that to me, Then I will
find some kind of way, nomatter how long it takes to
build this through my own brand.
And the one thing that keptegging me on is Is people saying
to me, why don't you go workfor a station or why don't you
go work for ESPN?
(30:00):
and I said, the hell with that.
I'm building my own and I'mgonna blow those some bitches
away in the process look at ESPNnow.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Look at ESPN now.
What?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
are they going by the ?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
wayside man.
Yeah, stephen a Smith, that'sit.
That's all you got.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
Speaking of Stephen, a, one of the more, one of the
most popular sounds that I playduring during the show Is this
one stay off the weed And if youthink about it, that's If you
(30:42):
think about it.
That's that's kind of how webecame known.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
That's true.
That is true.
Yeah, we don't.
We don't comply with that quote.
Like for occasions I will put,i will put the weed away for
like occasions like this one Iwon't have.
Like if I know that, if Ididn't know, like the person I
have on Isn't like a big smokeror doesn't like right, advertise
(31:10):
it.
And then I won't, i won't do it, i'll just leave you plenty You
play to your audience.
I'll cheap it up, Yeah.
I'll cheap it up with anybodythat comes on the show, though
Exactly you play to youraudience?
Speaker 3 (31:21):
Yeah, you absolutely play to your audience and you
play to your fan base Mm-hmm.
And yep most of my fan baseknows I Improvise a lot and, as
my wife loves saying to me, i'ma nut so I go with it.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
I Exactly exactly, but yep, but yeah, i do want to
kind of dabble into some, andthere's some sports with you.
Like I said, i haven't youanybody in like a week, so My
voice is nice and clear now soBut I would.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
But I do want to get it.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Right, yeah, i do want to get your take on this.
This number one draft pick,victor Wimby Nama, that has been
has been drafted by San Antonio.
I Looked at I watched a summerleague game last night nine
points, eight rebounds and sixassists, and He was two for 13
(32:24):
from the field.
Given your opinion, is thatnumber one pick numbers?
Speaker 3 (32:31):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Cuz this guy is supposed to be like.
The next generational talentsis LeBron James, and I'm not.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I heard that too, and I bristled.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Not seeing it.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I'm not seeing.
Here's what worries me aboutWimby Nama.
You would think he's athoroughbred at 73, but if you
watched the game last night orwatched any of his game overseas
, he can't get up and down thefloor.
(33:04):
And I mean that from the factthat he's winded, because this
first basket He was cherrypicking, his first ever NBA
basket He was cherry picking.
Why wasn't he on the defensiveend?
Why wasn't he letting a hand onthe defensive end?
Why was it five on fourdefensively and they couldn't
come up with a basket?
Great.
And then you have him bringingthe ball up the floor.
(33:26):
No, thank you, i can't.
I can't have that.
And if I were Greg Popovich andthis is nothing against the
young man at all, right, if Iwere Greg Popovich I'd be
totally worried.
I have him.
I'd have him in the weight roompart of the day, part of the
day, and Sprinting the otherpart of the day.
(33:49):
Because you're in a confinedarea, you're, you're, you're
within 94 feet.
And In this situation, with himbeing seven foot three, you got
, especially, you're playingwith more athletic players than
the players that I've seen growup Magic Johnson, michael Jordan
, larry Bird who didn't, whodidn't rely on their athleticism
(34:11):
but relied on hard work.
Mm-hmm, you got to put the hardwork in, kid.
I Don't see it Right and I knowPlaymaker, i know, i know it's
summer league, but if you thinkabout the way they were hyping
this kid up right and how theywere showing his games or
showing clips of his games, thisgoes back to the brawn in 2001.
(34:33):
Mm-hmm, i Don't see his staminaand I don't see his endurance
and I see a problem, becausewhat if someone decides to get
physical with him down in thepost?
What?
if someone decides to back himdown.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Like Yolk itch.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
I think you'll get a good dominate this kid.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Listen, dominate this kid.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I love Nikola Yolk itch who should have been a
three-time MVP.
All right, i love Nikola Yolkitch, but Nikola Yolk itch has
been putting in the work everyyear, whether it's his, whether
it, whether it's his jump shot,whether if it's his jump hook,
whether if it's his post gameand the.
The one thing I don't.
(35:16):
And you're right, theEvaluation will begin in October
, but I'm comparing him now toall the hype that he was given
from his days with, with theMetropolitan snaggity, and
there's the key right there He's19 years old.
Yeah, he is 19 years old.
(35:37):
He's not even developed.
You can't say if you have abust or a success until he's
four years in and What's gonnahappen within those four years?
Hell, you can honestly saywithin two years.
What's gonna happen withinthose two years?
Is he gonna put the weight on?
is he gonna have the stamina?
(35:57):
Is he gonna have the endurance?
You can't teach seven footthree.
You can't just like.
You can't eat seven foot twowith Nikola Yolk itch.
You can teach everything else.
You can teach the footwork.
You can see, mm-hmm.
If Wemby had a jump hook, forgeta jump shot.
If he had a jump hook, if hedeveloped well, let me change my
(36:20):
sentence.
If he develops a jump hook, hewill be something dangerous.
Yes, he's gotta get some girthto him.
And I'm not saying put on somuch Upper body strength that it
affects your stamina.
No, i'm saying Put more upper,put more strength on all over.
(36:40):
That way you can dominate bothsides of the floor.
Yes, it's his first NBA game.
Yes, there's a lot to lookforward to with Wemby, mm-hmm,
but right now I just don't seeit right.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
I think What his fourth year?
I think it's fourth year.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
If he's gonna come out, It's gonna be right for
right, because That's the yearI'm look and that's the year I'm
looking for.
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem I have withwith Wemby and I meet, and I'm
talking in terms of His physicalsize.
He is seven foot four and only210 pounds.
Yes, problem.
(37:22):
Yes that's one reason He's not athoroughbred.
And someone asked me to draw acomparison.
Does the name Hashim the beatmean anything to you guys?
because he was all of that atConnecticut Mm-hmm, but couldn't
get up and down the floor.
You know how team when he was,when he was with them, you know
(37:43):
how teams beat him.
They ran Mm-hmm, they know theyran.
And no, i don't want Wembygetting bloated like Zion
Williamson, i'm just saying ifhe's seven foot four, he's got
to be at least 260 pounds.
Because, yeah, karim AbdulJabbar was seven two and two
sixty three.
Mm-hmm but you couldn't tell,because he was so strong and he
(38:06):
was so skilled and his IQ wasoff the charts.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
That has a belt to me ?
Yeah, he's very late.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
He's very lengthy, you can't eat.
Seven foot four, you can't The.
The other player that you maydraw comparisons with on All
aspects would be Ralph Samson.
But here are two majordifferences.
One Ralph Samson played fouryears at Virginia.
Mm-hmm and second, asunfortunate is as it is, ralph
(38:34):
Samson's Hall of Fame career isbesieged by a knee injury.
Right, so Some kind of injuryis going to besiege, is going to
besiege when went by Yama,unless he gets stronger and
unless he, unless his enduranceincreases.
Speaker 1 (38:55):
I'm gonna bowl.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
That would be the same thing with Manu bowl as he
was barely two thirty five atseven, seven.
But the thing with bowl hedeveloped a jump shot is crazy.
Speaker 2 (39:03):
Yeah, yep it just.
And people that are that big,the ball just looks funny in
their hands too, because you see, when you see him shoot, his
Hand is all the way around theball.
You know, it's just.
How can it, how can it be soaccurate like that?
That's my only thing with bigmen shooting is I can't trust
(39:26):
them because their chains arejust too big their hands.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Their hands are too big and The balls too slippery
in their hands because they'retoo big.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Yeah, i'm just saying yeah, he needs to put out some
weight, though That's for sure.
I honestly think that scootHenderson was the best person in
this draft.
Wait on him to like the bestpick.
Speaker 1 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, oh.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
See, here's the problem I have with the younger,
with the crop of players thatkeep coming into the NBA, and
they get younger and younger andyounger and younger.
They're not ready.
In many ways they're not readyAnd you can't tell if they are
going to be who you thought theywere until three or four years
(40:18):
in.
Like you said, you have to waituntil their fourth year And by
that time they should becompleting their senior year of
college.
They should be completing that.
But the NBA has flipped so muchonto athleticism and not skill
(40:39):
and not basketball IQ because ofthe players getting younger and
younger and younger coming intothe league, that IQ is no
longer highlighted.
Athleticism is big problem.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yep, no, no one teaches fundamentals anymore.
That's what I don't like, isthat you say that again, please.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
Because I've said so many times on my program.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I've said it so many times Right, you remember the
USA basketball team, how theylike, dominated for so long.
And then there was that.
there was that skid, and thenwhat was beating them was
fundamental basketball passing,running plays, doing cuts,
setting picks fundamentalbasketball.
It wasn't showtime all the time.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
The late great Jim Durham, who was the voice of the
Bulls for many years and voiceof ESPN radio for many years,
said it during a Bulls gamewhere they were playing the
Detroit Pistons.
What is basketball's most basicplay?
Pick and roll.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
Yep, pick and roll.
Yeah, that will never go awayfrom basketball.
That will always be anintricate part of basketball.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Always.
And look at how Denver runs thepick and roll and look at how
Golden State runs the pick androll.
50% of the time in a result, ina three point attempt, 50% of
the time they'll slice you topieces on the inside.
The last two, i'll mentionagain the last two champions the
Denver Nuggets and the GoldenState Warriors.
It wasn't always a three pointshot.
(42:12):
They slice you to pieces in theback door.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, that's true, it's the back door cuts, the
constant back door cuts.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I mean, you've heard Coles say on the show that
Golden State's offense and nowDenver's offense is the
Princeton offense.
On steroids, they'll find thebest shot, and the best shot is
two feet away from the basket.
How do you think Denverdominated on the inside against
the Lakers and later on againstMiami in the World Championship
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Series?
They cut you, they chopped youto pieces on the inside.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
So my old basketball coach, my old varsity basketball
coach, used to tell me yes,shooting threes is nice, it's
always nice to shoot a three andmake it every once in a while,
but why not go to the hole andeither get an easy bucket or get
fouled?
Speaker 3 (43:07):
That's what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (43:08):
You're going to get an easy bucket or you're going
to get fouled or you're going toget both and you're good.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:14):
Or you get both, or you get the foul and the bucket.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah, or you get fouled.
How do you think?
How do you think Steph Curryled the league in scoring two
years ago?
He sliced you to pieces on theinside.
Yeah, it just happens that he'snot many people realize how
many times he was found in theback door or found his teammates
going back door Basicbasketball pick and roll.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
Basic basketball.
He's speaking of basic.
Here we go.
You meant to forget about theword basic.
How true is that.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
How true is that that it's been used as a very
derogatory term?
Not for me, not for me.
How many times have we seenMagic Johnson fire a ball into
James Worthy or Abdul Jabbar orAC Green for a quick bucket?
Right See, point guards todayneed to look up the floor.
Look up the floor.
(44:14):
Don't look to shoot, unlessyou're Steph Curry, which you
can do that all the time, but,oh yeah, shoot all day.
It's a rarity, but Steph is ahybrid, but he's more of a point
guard, which is what a lot ofpeople don't believe.
Oh, he just shoots, he justshoots.
Look at his IQ for the game.
Look at how his IQ hasdeveloped over 14 years.
(44:35):
Look at how his IQ hasdeveloped at Davidson.
You can't teach that.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Part of it's probably being a son of us.
Speaker 3 (44:48):
Oh, Del Curry, who I had the pleasure of meeting a
few years ago.
Well, shucks, that's passeddown to you, because when Del
was with the Cavs and later theHornets, and I grew up a Bulls
fan, he used to kill us comingoff the bench.
Yes, he was dangerous.
I mean, del Curry coming thegame and you're looking going.
(45:08):
Oh no, what are they going todo for you?
What do you think happens?
Run a screen off, a BradDaugherty and Del's popping one
from 20 feet?
That's too easy.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
That dude was lights out too.
Yeah, he was Just a greatshooter.
You forget You forget Like Idon't want to say old people,
but old people like me we forgethow good they were in the 90s,
the late 80s and the early 90sand mid 90s were You know who
used to really get on my nerves.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
We're talking about shooters and talking about old
school basketball and people whocame off the bench.
You know who used to really geton my nerves?
Vinnie Frickin Johnson from the.
Detroit Pistons the microwave,Because every time They go for a
second listen every time thebulls got closer to the Pistons
(46:06):
and score.
I'm just waiting to see number15 do something.
And then all of a sudden, youhear the PA.
and now to go pretty Johnsonand I'm walking around the house
going damn it, he did it again.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
Bad boy, bad boy pistons.
That's when the pistons werephenomenal, so good.
Speaker 3 (46:33):
That's when they were developed.
Chuck Daly the late, greatChuck Daly developed that team
and they had another fellow onthere who I couldn't stand but I
love and respect dearly.
His name is Joe Dumars.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
Joey D Yeah, because every time you saw the ball.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
Every time you saw the ball of Joe Dumars, his
hands inside the going up, orhe's going right to the basket
and you're like Oh dear God.
And as soon as he let one go,you look at your score, but I
put it down and walk back.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Go away, go away.
He's not that good at being aGM, though.
I'm going to say that right now, because when he was running
the Pistons roster.
It was kind of pretty bad.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
He had one.
He had one good year, oh, 2004.
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, When they won the title.
Yeah when they beat my Lakers.
Speaker 3 (47:25):
But Joe Dumars used to kill us.
Joe Dumars used to, and he didit to the lake.
He did it to your Lakers.
Joe Dumars used to kill us tothe point where Dumars was
elected the finals MVP in 1989when they clenched Because when
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I now never forget, the next daywent to school.
We're all sitting aroundtalking about it and all of a
sudden, one of my friends juststands up and says I can't stand
Joe Dumars.
And every thought in my headwas I know why he used to kill
us Because he used to daggers.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
He used to kill us.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
Joey D he was sassin' .
Speaker 3 (48:11):
And then you had Isaiah Thomas run in the show.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Wasn't a big fan of Isaiah, was not a big fan of
Isaiah.
Speaker 3 (48:19):
I was, but then I wasn't.
But hey look, isaiah Thomas isIsaiah Thomas.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Don't get me wrong he's a Hall of Famer and he
deserves it, but not a big fanof this.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
I was less of a bigger fan of Joe Dumars and
even less of a fan of BillLambert because of his skills
Damn it.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
There you go, because Don't forget about-.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Listen, bill Lambert was one of the very first
stretch fours or stretch fivesthat I saw.
He'll beat you up in thepost-all game long, but I'll
never forget this one play, whenthey were playing the Bulls in
the East Finals in 89.
It was game four.
The Bulls had just come back totie the game.
Chicago State, chicago Stadium,was a nut house because we had
(49:09):
wiped out a 13 point deficit totie the game.
And why did they leave BillLambert open?
five feet behind the threepoint line?
Somebody didn't rotate And assoon as he got the ball my whole
family looked and said, oh shit, because we knew what was going
in.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
I think that was like miscommunication.
Somebody missed it in the signBig time.
Speaker 3 (49:34):
Someone got picked off.
Someone got picked off And oneof the wrong people to leave
open was Bill Lambert.
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Bill Lambert.
Yeah, i got the pleasure ofmeeting Bill Lambert.
He came in when I was workingat Applebee's on State Street in
Saginaw way back when the longtime ago.
But he came in and got it to goorder And I was out just
talking to the bartender and hecomes in and I'm like that's
fucking Bill Lambert.
I am not going back to workright now.
(50:06):
I'm not doing it.
I'm gonna stay right out hereuntil this dude leaves.
I am not leaving.
I shook his hand and got apicture with him And I was like,
man, i wish I had something foryou to sign.
He's like I can sign your workshirt.
And I was like, no, don't signthat work shirt.
I was like, no, i'll just leaveit at a handshake.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
Here's what people don't understand about Bill
Lambert, because I had thepleasure of meeting him when he
was a WNBA coach for the DetroitShock.
I mean, when it came time toplay he laced him up and played.
And he didn't play dirty, hewas a big man.
He was told to beat people upin the post.
That's what he was trained todo.
That's what he was told to doOutside of the floor.
(50:45):
One of the nicest men you'llever meet.
One of the nicest men you'llever meet.
And I had a chance to do apress conference with him And I
shook his hand And I'm like Iwanted to curse him for all the
times he would beat up my bowls.
But then every piece of sensein me said that's what he was
trained to do.
That's what Chuck Daly told himto do.
(51:06):
The pistons had the advantage.
They had James Edwards.
They had Bill Lambert.
They had Dennis Rodman, whostarted and came off the bench
and then started again afterMark Aguilar was brought in.
They had the advantage RickMahorn.
They had the advantage JohnSally It's nice Spider Sally too
.
They had the advantage Size Andthey used it.
(51:30):
They were supposed to exploitthat.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, they did that.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
They were supposed to exploit that.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
And what else are you going to do when you have
Michael Jordan jumping over youall the damn time?
Speaker 1 (51:48):
I'm like you have to hit him.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
I'm sorry, i'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (51:51):
I'm not going to take you, you're right.
Speaker 2 (51:52):
If you're going to try and dunk over me every
single possession, I'm going tohit you.
Speaker 3 (51:56):
I'm going to hit you hard.
Speaker 2 (51:57):
You're like you're not going to do it every time.
Speaker 3 (51:59):
Exactly.
But you know what scared thepistons and pistons fans when
the Bulls figured it out in 91,.
when they figured it out andthey ran as an offense and not
just Michael Jordan againsteverybody when they figured it
out, even the most ardent pistonfans came up to me after game
two and said you know what Ithink the Bulls have got this
(52:23):
series.
And I'm being cautious And Isaid we just held serve at home.
And he looked me in the eye andhe said we will not get past
Memorial Day if we allow thisBulls team to sink in
defensively.
And that was the key.
That was the key point.
If you let that Bulls team sinkin defensively, forget it.
Speaker 2 (52:46):
Right, Yep, That was.
I believe that was the yearthat I lost all respect for
Isaiah Thomas too.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
That's why I didn't want to say.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
I'm like, well, it's not.
It's just not that he walkedout the floor, because the whole
team did it.
But when he walked out thefloor, he crunched Like he
ducked.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
So people, wouldn't see him.
He didn't even shake anybody'shand, right.
Speaker 2 (53:09):
Right And he just ducked it.
while everyone else got booedand stuff throwing at him, He
just ducked out.
And that's when I don't know,that's when I lost all respect
for Isaiah Thomas And plus hecries about not being on the
team.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Here's an NBA question for you, and this is a
fan question as well.
Can we please, please, bringback the Seattle SuperSonics.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Please.
I believe they're next on thelist.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
They should have never left.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
No, they shouldn't have.
No, for real, they shouldn'thave.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
But they should have never left Seattle.
I mean, I hate you, ClayBennett, for taking away the
Seattle SuperSonics.
Speaker 2 (53:48):
One of the most legendary teams to ever play in
the.
NBA Yes, legendary team.
Speaker 3 (53:55):
I mean you can't mention an old Western
conference series withoutmentioning the Seattle
SuperSonics.
You just can't.
And basketballs, professionalbasketballs, not right in OKC,
it's not, no, it's not.
I get yelled at all the time.
I get yelled at all the time,people saying to me, well, they
built a following, yeah, off thebacks of the SuperSonics, right
(54:19):
.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, those banners in the rafters.
they're not OKCs, They belongto Seattle.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
That 1979 championship that was in Seattle
, that was in the kingdom, thatwas in Seattle.
Santa Coliseum That belongs tothe Sonics, yeah, and then
people ask me how do we make itright?
You know what you do.
You take the Sonics history andyou wipe it out at OKC.
You bring it back home toSeattle, build the team there
(54:48):
and let OKC keep the historythat they have there.
Period.
Speaker 2 (54:52):
Right.
Speaker 3 (54:52):
That's how you saw that They're long enough.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
They have a history.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
now They have indeed, they have a history now.
They have a finals appearance.
They got a Western Conferencefight.
They have a Western Conferencechampionship, a Western
Conference finals appearance.
They have their history now,but the rest of the 41-year
history before that that's nottheirs.
Speaker 2 (55:10):
Exactly, i completely agree.
I was stunned when I heard thatthe Seattle SuperSonics were
moving to OKC.
I was like what?
Why?
Like, out of all teams, theSeattle SuperSonics, like you,
couldn't take another Californiateam and move them to OKC?
Speaker 3 (55:27):
Exactly.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Sacramento or somebody.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Well, now Sacramento's back on the map
with the year that they just hadFinally.
And the Golden One Center isabout to be off the charts for
the next few years, with theteam that put together.
Speaker 2 (55:41):
I think it's a fluke.
I think the Kings are a fluke.
I think it was a fluke year.
We will see.
I do like Keegan Murray andDe'Aaron Fox.
Don't get me wrong, i do likethose two.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I love De'Aaron Fox.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
I don't think so, but this is.
Speaker 3 (55:56):
I love De'Aaron Fox.
De'Aaron Fox should have beenthe Lakers pick instead of Lonzo
Ball.
De'Aaron Fox was ready.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Thank you Yeah.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
De'Aaron Fox was the pick that the Lakers should have
snagged instead of Lonzo Ball,and the Lakers have not
recovered since not pickingDe'Aaron Fox because the Kings
are building around De'Aaron Foxand that should have been the
Lakers building around De'AaronFox Period.
Speaker 2 (56:28):
It wouldn't have happened, though, because you
know who would have traded them.
Speaker 3 (56:32):
You ain't going to tell me twice.
Am I 2000?
By the end of 2019, de'aaronFox probably would have been
sent packing this Sacramentoanyway, dog gone.
Speaker 2 (56:44):
I get a lot of ish on Facebook about my beef with
LeBron.
I get a lot of it.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
Like, how are you Lakers paying you for LeBron?
You should see some of thisshit that I get.
Speaker 2 (57:00):
I get it.
I get it, use it.
Speaker 3 (57:02):
You should see some of the comments I get, because
every time I have a criticalpoint about LeBron's game or
LeBron's achievement and how wegot there, i'm called a hater
And I'm going.
I am not hating.
Don't you understand that I'mnot hating.
I just know what I was blessedto watch for the better part of
(57:24):
25 years, and this ain't it.
No, that's as simple as it gets.
I've seen what's the problemwith NBA fan when it comes to
LeBron or some of these otherplayers.
What is the problem with trueNBA fans like you and I saying
three words aloud?
I've seen better.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
What's wrong with that?
And we have to because theleague wasn't this soft.
It was not this soft when wewere watching girl football.
Oh hell no.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
This league was nowhere near When I got into it
in 1980, this league was it forme, especially when Magic
Johnson became the only rookieto date to win the finals MVP
award, because he told PaulWesthead, who was the Lakers
coach at the time, never fearMagic's here.
And that 20-year-old went intothe spectrum in Philadelphia and
(58:16):
dropped 42 points, snatched 15rebounds and dished out seven
assists in a game thatPhiladelphia had to have, but
the Lakers wanted more.
You knew it was the Lakersnight when they opened with the
first seven points of the gamein Philadelphia.
Remember, this is after theLakers snatched a 3-2 lead and
(58:37):
lost their captain.
They lost their captain to aninjury.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
Yep, that's when cream went down.
Speaker 3 (58:46):
And on the plane to Philadelphia, this 20-year-old
rookie was bold enough to startat center against Caldwell-Jones
and did what he did, in fact,jim Jones.
I remember Jim Jones trying topush Magic out of the center
circle and Magic was like no, igot this.
And then that happened.
Speaker 2 (59:07):
Right Magic Johnson was a completely different
animal.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (59:14):
It's like wow, he never saw.
He developed the game.
Like if you speak ongenerational talents, you got to
speak.
Magic Johnson.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
Magic Johnson, absolutely.
I mean because he won the NCAAchampionship the year before,
got drafted by the Lakers andthen helped carry them to a
championship.
Matter of fact, helped clinchthe championship in Philadelphia
.
Back to back years, that beganthe process of Bird and Magic
(59:46):
saving the NBA.
And then in 1984, michaelJordan showed up and took it to
another level.
Speaker 2 (59:53):
Bird was a bad dude, though, too.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Man Larry Bird was.
I hated him but loved him.
Speaker 2 (59:59):
The only dude that'll tell you what he's going to do.
do it And then, dare you, tostop him.
Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
And then dare you to stop him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
There you go, call a white boy right there.
That's a call a white boy.
Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Listen, when Larry got in that shooting position,
you just look up and go oh hell,here it comes And it drops.
There is nothing you can doabout that.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
No.
Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
Nothing No.
Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
No, it's amazing.
As soon as you saw his eyes goup, you knew what was going in.
You didn't have to shoot theball yet.
As soon as his eyes went up,you knew what was going in.
Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I think Larry Bird was the first player I ever saw
to launch a shot and then runthe other way because he knew it
was going in the basket.
I think Larry was the firstplayer I ever saw do that.
But at the time we were growingup watching the NBA.
Every player had a signaturewith Magic Johnson.
It was his passing with LarryBird, it was his jump shot with
(01:00:57):
the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.
You know what it was.
The Skyhook.
With MJ, it was the tonguecoming out, leaping over
everybody.
But here's what people do notwant to acknowledge about
Michael Jordan.
Michael Jordan had a jump shotin development when he came into
the league in 1984.
It just got more accuratethroughout the years.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
He wasn't the greatest three-point shooter,
but yeah, it was good for him.
Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
But, at the same time , he didn't need to be the
greatest three-point shooter.
He knew what his skills wereand maxed them out.
Right, he knew what his skillswere and he maxed them out.
The year that LeBron scored3,000 in a season, i want to say
it was 2017.
(01:01:44):
The year that LeBron scored3,000 in a season, he took a lot
of three-point field goal.
He made, he attempted a lot ofthree-point field goal shots.
You know how many three-pointfield attempts Michael Jordan
attempted when he scored 3,000points in the season?
12 total 12 1987, mj scored3,000 points in a year, became
(01:02:10):
the second person to do thataside of will chamberlain, and
And he only took 12 three-pointshots the entire in 82 games
amazing And if you can't well,shots, that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
That's like one shot every three to five games.
Yeah, if that Right.
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
There were so many where he didn't take a
three-point shot.
But again, like you and I bothsaid, he didn't need to.
Right, exactly, he didn't needto when he first came in and
this and this was this is provenfact He always attacked the rim
.
It's it was rare from 84 to 80.
I say 84 to 88.
It was rare to see himAttempted jump shot.
(01:02:54):
Now, by about the midpoint of88, he started figuring out okay
, i need to develop this so hewould take more jump shots, but
they would be within the arc.
They weren't.
They weren't outside, theyweren't three-point shots.
And The and a side of Jamesworthy, the meanest mid-range
game I ever saw was from MJUh-huh.
(01:03:16):
Oh it's mid-range game I eversaw was from MJ like that fade
away.
Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Oh geez, that was unguardable.
Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
The two most indefensible shots.
Your team had one, my team hadone the skyhook and the fade
away The two most indefensibleshots in NBA history.
The next one that could comeclose to that was the fade from
Patrick Ewing that he would hitan impossible angles.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Yes, Like I would watch Patrick Ewing play and I
would be like how is this goingin, right, so angry?
How is it going in?
knock it off?
Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
You look at some of the shots that Patrick Ewing
would take and You know his petmove always came on the left
block, always came on the on theleft block And it would always
come on the come on the baselineand he would spin away And you
knew it was letting it go, buthe had that reach and he had
that follow through.
There's a fundamental term Hehad that follow through and
(01:04:22):
you're wondering there's no waythat's gonna get through there
And it just hits nothing but netand you're going how He's going
, how That's all you can do,like how is this going in?
how There was a shot that Ewinghit against the Bulls To seal
(01:04:45):
the game because the Knicks ledthe Bulls by 13 at one point.
I want to say this was 96, 97year and MJ hit a bucket to cut
it to two and they get it toEwing in the post.
He backed up twice, turn to hisleft and Let it go and I'm
(01:05:07):
going there's no way off thebackboard in the far corner and
fell in.
What the fuck was that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:17):
right, i don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Like what the fuck was that?
and and they show where heactually Hit the hit the corner
and it was the top part of thecorner on the backboard.
Speaker 2 (01:05:38):
Right.
Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
What the hell was that?
Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
That's that's.
That's a lot, that's a lot ofEnglish, that's what that is, or
something I don't know.
That's some ignorant.
Speaker 3 (01:05:49):
English and I saw Steph Curry hit the same kind of
shot over Dirk Novitsky oneyear.
Novitsky has Curry trapped inthe corner And I think, okay,
novitsky's gonna block this orCurry's gonna pass it.
Nope, nope, steph just leansinto one deep in the corner.
Let's it fly.
(01:06:09):
I don't like Off the glass andthrough the bucket at the top
part of the corner before itwent out.
Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
Right, exactly, staying very insane.
Well, yeah, we are actuallyrunning out of time.
I hate to end.
Man I really have, but I kindof have to, i'm sorry.
I do want to save some sports,though, because I am actually
(01:06:41):
gonna be on your show here quitesoon.
Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Yes, we actually got to save some sports talk for
that show too.
Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
We do, we do, but, man, thank you for having me on.
It was a thrill, it was apleasure and it was, more
importantly, it was an honor tohang with you tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
It's it's.
It's great to watch you guys.
I enjoy your guys the show Iwould love to have you back on.
Maybe we'll get you on.
Bet that Like.
We'll do that too, like you gotit You got it.
It's amazing.
It's me.
Yeah, I would like to see youand Jerry and go at it too.
It's that be awesome.
He don't want it.
Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
He don't want this.
No, i'm, i'm, i'm, i'm, i'm.
I'm totally kidding as I saythat, but you know that would be
.
You know, you know that wouldbe must see Him and I going back
and forth, and you know whatthe crazy part is.
I'm willing to bet you thatwithin a minute, both of us
(01:07:39):
would be sitting there laughingour asses off the whole time.
Speaker 2 (01:07:46):
Yeah, that's, that's why we do this anyways.
Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Yes, yeah sports.
Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Yes, we love Talk about it and we have our
opinions, but all in all, it'sit's.
It's all about having fun andit is chilling with your friends
.
Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
It is all about fun.
It is man It was.
It was such an honor.
It was such an honor tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Awesome, yeah, i would love to have you back on
and but yeah, before you go, goahead and tell these people
where they can find you, wherethey can follow you and stuff
you can follow me at snowmanmultimedia on YouTube and all
other platforms, or you canfollow me at B snow multimedia
on my personal platforms.
Awesome, awesome again.
(01:08:27):
Thank you, sir.
Thank you for stopping by.
Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
I appreciate you.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Awesome, awesome, brian snow, everyone from
snowman in the morning, snowmanmultimedia.
Go ahead, check those guys outYouTube, facebook, instagram,
twitter, all that good stuff.
Links are in the descriptionbelow, and Be sure to check us
out next week.
Yes, we are back at our regulartiming.
Next week, saturday, july 15th,we have Roxanne Luciano coming
on and This is gonna be a greattime.
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She's, we're gonna drop some.
We're gonna drop some songs andwe're gonna talk about what
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