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Welcome to the deep dive. Today we're really zeroing in on
the brand new WOOP 5 Point O andalso the WOOP MG.
That's right. And our guide for this, well,
this deep dive is the really comprehensive coverage over on
the 5K Runner website. Yeah, a great resource.
Definitely written by someone who probably, like a lot of you
listening, is really invested infitness, Wellness, and that
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whole area of health span. Exactly.
And you know, the insights from the 5K runner, they go beyond
just like a basic product announcement.
It feels like a genuinely informed take, right?
So our plan today is basically to unpack all of that for you.
We want to pull out the really significant updates, what they
actually mean for your Wellness journey, you know, without just
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drowning you in details. Yeah, kind of the need to know
stuff. Think of it as your express
route to getting what's new withwoop?
There's a lot that's new, it seems their author over at the
5K Runner. They really emphasise it's a
fundamental shift, not just the hardware but also how you
actually get woop. The whole membership structure
has been. Revised.
Totally revised. OK, so let's just dive straight
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in. It sounds like there's a bit of
a new landscape to get our headsaround for this.
Yeah. Where before you basically had
one device, one subscription, the 5K runner points out you've
now got 2 distinct strap options.
OK, there's the standard WOOP 5 point O and then this is WOOP
MG. And these are offered across
three different membership tiers, one peak and life.
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Right. One peak life.
So the actual devices, the five point O and the MG, are they
fundamentally different in what they track day-to-day?
Well interestingly according to the 5K runners analysis, the
actual core sensor tech, it seems to be identical in both.
Huh. OK, it's a new generation
sensor, apparently faster, enhanced Physiology monitoring
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and get this both have that impressive 14 day plus battery
life. Wow over 2 weeks that's that
really is a game changer for just leaving it on isn't it?
Absolutely. Continuous tracking gets much
easier. So OK, if the Cortex the same,
then the different straps must unlock different software
features based on that membership tier you pick.
That seems to be the model, yeah.
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Let's talk about some of those new capabilities then.
The 5K runner highlights quite afew.
That health span and pace of ageing feature that really
jumped out at me sounds like a major step for wearables.
Oh, it absolutely is. It's a significant new
direction. Definitely looking more at the
the long term view of health, right?
The 5K runner explains it. It helps you understand
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indicators. Yeah.
Markers, really. Yeah, of how your body's ageing.
It even brings in this concept of a whoop age.
Whoop age. Interesting.
Yeah. And it offers actionable advice
too, especially around, you know, crucial things like rest
and recovery, all based on your specific data.
And what's really interesting, as the 5K runner points out,
isn't just that they're trackingthese things right, but they're
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framing it within this idea of your long term health
trajectory. It's moving beyond just
optimising today's workout, isn't it?
Exactly. It's about understanding how
today's choices might impact your vitality.
You know, years from now, it's almost like a little window into
your body's future path. And this isn't just whoops own
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internal metrics, is it the 5K runner?
Mentioned Doctor Eric Verdin from the Buck Institute.
Correct that collaboration. It definitely adds significant
scientific credibility to this whole health span focus.
So what does it actually look at?
It analyses 9 key biomarkers, things like time spent in
specific heart rate zones, how consistent your sleep is, your
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VO2 Max that's a measure of youraerobic fitness and even lean
body mass. But you need to connect A
compatible smart scale for that one.
The main goal is giving you a tangible sense of how your daily
habits are, well, steering your long term health.
It's worth noting though, this is available on the Peak and
Life tiers. Right, the higher tiers.
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That makes sense for a more advanced feature.
OK, now another completely new thing the 5K runner seemed quite
excited about, daily blood pressure insights.
It's in beta, but tell us about this.
Yeah, this is pretty innovative for a fitness tracker.
Just like the 5K runner said. It's available on the life tier
and it uses the optical sensors in the device.
You know the same was tracking heart rate and HIV to estimate
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your overnight systolic and diastolic blood pressure ranges.
How does it do that well? It combines that sensor data
with your demographics and you know some pretty sophisticated
algorithms to generate these estimates.
But it's crucial, as you said, they're estimates right?
The 5K runner emphasises this isn't a replacement for a proper
cuff. Absolutely not.
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It's about tracking trends over time while you sleep.
Really useful for patterns, but if you have concerns or the
numbers look way off, you still need a validated cuff.
So it's more about overnight patterns than like a precise
reading you could take any time,and the beta suggests it's still
evolving. Exactly that.
The 5K Runner makes that distinction clear.
It gives you an overview of nighttime trends, not precise,
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medically validated spot readings.
Right. And interestingly, because it's
trends and not say a diagnostic tool, it doesn't need the same
level of FDA approval as a device for spot cheques.
But, and this is important, it does need initial calibration.
OK, how does that work? You need to use a standard
validated blood pressure cuff togive the WHOOP algorithm a
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baseline reading to work from specifically for you.
OK, that distinction is really key.
Got it. Now let's move to the WHOOP MG
hardware and that top life membership.
This is where we get into the more advanced health tracking
stuff like the heart Screener with ECG readings.
Yes, this is a major differentiator for the MG
hardware and the life tier. It gives you an ondemand
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electrocardiogram in ACG, right?And the 5K runner highlights.
This feature is actually FDA cleared.
It's designed specifically to look for potential signs of
atrial fibrillation or a fib. A fib.
OK, that's a specific type of a regular heart rhythm.
Correct, and the MG also does passive monitoring so it's
constantly looking in the background for a usually high,
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low or irregular heart rates. And where do you see these
readings? Any readings, whether you take
them on demand or they're pickedup passively, they get stored in
a dedicated heart Screener section inside the app.
Now, the five 5K runner also mentioned specific limitations.
It's clearly not for absolutely everyone.
That's right. The FDA clearance comes with
specific conditions. It's not meant for people who
already have known arrhythmias other than Afib, OK?
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Also not for anyone under 22 or people with implanted cardiac
devices like pacemakers or ICDS.Right.
Important caveats. And the 5K runner also flagged
the regional availability as of early May 2025.
That's the US, UAE, Qatar, New Zealand, Canada, the UK and the
EU. OK.
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And the tech behind it. Yeah, the ECG uses algorithms
from a company called B Secure, which have FDA clearance under
the name Heart Key. Got it.
So alongside the on demand ECG, there are also these irregular
heart rhythm notifications IHRN part of the same medical grade
focus. Exactly.
They work hand in hand with thatcontinuous passive monitoring on
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the WHOOP MG. So if it spots something.
If it detects an irregular rhythm that might suggest A-fib,
you'll get an alert basically prompting you to, you know,
maybe check in with a doctor. This all sounds incredibly
powerful, a lot of deep health insights.
But I mean with so much data, could it get a bit?
Overwhelming. That's a fairpoint.
And that seems to be where the AI assistant daily outlook comes
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in. The 5K runner described this as
a real innovation it. Is yeah, it's a really
interesting and I think welcome development.
The focus is on making all that rich data more understandable
and, crucially, more actionable.How does it do that?
Well, the AI assistant basicallytries to help you interpret the
numbers. It gives you daily motivation
too. As the 5K Runner describes it,
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it explains your scores, suggestfocus areas for the day, drawing
on your recovery, strain, workout recommendations, even
things like the weather, your goals, and those new health span
insights we talked about. Can it give concrete advice?
Yeah, that's the idea. For example, it might suggest
breathing exercises if it detects your blood oxygen is a
bit low. Things like that.
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That proactive element suggesting actual actions seems
really useful for cutting through the noise.
OK, now some existing features have also been updated.
According to the 5K runner, the step counter is out of beta now.
Yes, exactly. And it's more integrated into
that broader health span picturenow.
So your steps contribute to thatwhole physiological ageing
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assessment. And there's a completely new
stress monitor available on Peakand life.
Correct. A brand new feature.
It uses metrics Whoop already tracks, like heart rate
variability, to give you an assessment of your current
stress levels. Sleep tracking's always been a
whoop strength, but the 5K runner mentioned a sleep
performance update. What's changed there?
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Well, the sleep score itself hasbeen sort of reimagined.
The emphasis has shifted a bit from just total sleep duration
to a more rounded view of overall sleep quality, the 5K
runner points out. The key metrics now being
highlighted are more actionable things like hours slept versus
your calculated need sleep consistency.
So how regular your sleep schedule is?
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Sleep efficiency. Basically the percentage of time
in bed you were actually asleep and also instances of high sleep
stress. So it's focusing on things you
can actually tweak to improve sleep and recovery.
Precisely that seems to be the goal.
And it's great to see, as the 5Krunner noted, that the women's
hormonal insights are now standard across all tiers.
Absolutely. That's a really positive move.
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It uses AI and your biometric data to offer personalised
insights on how hormonal changesmight affect recovery.
Sleep, stress, training across different life stages.
Really valuable. And finally, looking ahead, the
5K runner mentioned Advanced Labs coming soon.
Sounds intriguing. Yeah, this is teased as a paid
add on expected in the US in 2025, available on all tiers.
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What does it involve? It'll let you schedule blood
tests easily and then you get clinician reviewed reports right
in the Whoop app. Wow, integrating lab data.
Exactly. Seamlessly integrating that
objective lab data with your continuous WOOP metrics that
could offer a much more completepicture of your help.
OK, that's a really thorough look at the new features.
Let's pivot now to the physical device.
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The 5K runner detailed some hardware and design changes too.
Yeah, the device body itself, it's actually smaller and
lighter than the 4.0, about 7% smaller.
Oops, says. Noticeable difference.
Should be, yeah. And it's got a much faster
processor, apparently 60% faster, the 5K runner notes.
This should mean a snappier app experience, faster syncing.
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Which is always welcome. Definitely.
And as we said that huge batterylife boost over 14 days for both
5 point O and MG. And the charging setup is new
and it depends on the tier you choose.
That's right. There's a new wireless Power
Pack. It's waterproof, holds about 30
days worth of charge itself, Pretty convenient.
Peak and life memberships get this included, but if you're on
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the one tier you get a standard corded charger.
But can one members buy the wireless one?
Yes, the 5K runner confirms thatone members can purchase the
Power Pack separately if they want it.
OK. What about straps?
If you have a bunch of woop 4 point O bands, can you still use
them? Unfortunately, no.
This is a key point the 5K runner highlighted.
There's a new sliding clasp mechanism.
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OK, which means woop 4 point O bands.
Any accessories for the old one?They won't fit the five point O
or MG. Right.
So you're starting fresh with accessories.
Pretty much. There are new straps, including
a fancier leather Lux range, andthey've also got this W Woo Body
Smart Apparel clothing designed to hold the sensor off wrist.
Interesting, but that class change is a big one for existing
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users. Definitely something to be aware
of if you're ugrading. And they're sticking with the
screenfree design. Yu Yep, that core philosophy
hasn't changed. Still screen free.
All the data interaction happensin the app on your phone or
device. OK, let's talk app and software
improvements. The 5K runner mentioned a
redesigned interface. Yeah, the app's been updated to
handle all the new features and the different tiers.
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It's meant to be more streamlined, more intuitive.
Personalised plans are apparently more prominent now,
right on the home screen. What about activity auto
detection? That's been a bit hit or miss
sometimes. Any improvements?
According to the 5K Runners take, yeah, it's been refined.
It's reported to be more reliable now at detecting the
start and end times of workouts automatically.
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Good news for many, I suspect, and for strength training users.
The basic strength trainer feature is similar, but the
strength activity time is now more visible in your daily
strain breakdown and it feeds into those health span markers
too, so it gives a more sort of integrated view of all your
training. This all brings us neatly to the
really crucial part, the membership tiers and pricing.
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This is a big structural change.Huge change, yeah, As the 5K
router lays out really clearly introducing these three tiers,
one peak and life. It's clearly designed to appeal
to a wider range of users and, importantly, different budgets.
So whoop one what's the deal there?
Whoop One is priced at EU 199, UK, $169 or US, and $199 per
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year. It's positioned as the entry
point for people who are active,interested in Wellness, but
maybe want a more affordable option.
And they miss out on. Some of the very latest features
like maybe the advanced health span stuff or the stress monitor
and they get the corded charger instead of the wireless Power
Pack. OK.
Then the middle tier whoop peak.Peak is EU 264, UK $229 or US
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$239 annually. This is a more of people really
into their sports and fitness. The feature set here is pretty
close to what you got with the old WOOP 4 Point O.
And importantly, the 5K runner highlights that existing 4 Point
O members who upgrade. They'll automatically go on to
the WOOP 5 Point O device with the Peak membership.
Good to know. And finally, the top tier WOOP
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life with the WOOP MG hardware. Right woop life involves A1
time. Hardware cost for that MG device
EU 399, UK $349 or US $359. This is for users who want
absolutely everything, all the features, including those
advanced Wellness insights like the ECG and the blood pressure
trends. It definitely sounds like
they're trying to cover more bases now.
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What were the main takeaways from the 5K runners perspective
on all this? Well, they acknowledge that, you
know, 2 hardware options, 3 tiers.
It might seem a bit complicated at first glance, yeah, but they
concluded it actually makes strategic sense when you look
closer. A key point they stressed is
that Woop is now tackling that budget conscious segment with
the one tier. Which they didn't really before.
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Exactly. And at the other end, with life,
they're clearly targeting an older, maybe more health focused
demographic with those advanced,almost medically oriented
features. The ECG and a fib detection were
seen as positive additions, evenif other wearables do it now,
but the 5K runner really singledout the blood pressure insights,
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calling it genuinely innovative.Yeah, they really emphasised
that apart from Samsung, Woop isbasically the first big
dedicated fitness wearable player to offer this kind of
blood pressure estimation. They see that as a major step
forward. They also gave Whoop props for
making the women's hormonal insight standard across all
tiers, which, you know, it's good to see.
And the app itself still highly rated.
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Absolutely. The 5K runner reiterates the
Whoop app is still one of the best out there.
Well designed, feature packed, user friendly.
They also noted that strategic shift towards broader Wellness
with health span or pace of ageing, suggesting maybe other
companies will follow that trendtowards longer term health
metrics. And the 5K runner wrapped up
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their deep dive with a really pointed question, didn't they?
Subscription burnout or a nice hardware and features bump?
Yeah, that really nails the dilemma, doesn't it?
It captures that central decision for current users or
anyone thinking about jumping innow.
It absolutely does. It's the perfect summary of the
trade-offs. You've got these appealing new
features, but also the complexity and the potential
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ongoing cost of the different subscription tiers.
So to kind of wrap up our deep dive into the new WOOP 5 point O
and MG, drawing heavily on that great analysis from the 5K
runner, We've seen some really significant changes both in the
hardware, sure, but maybe even more profoundly and how WOOP
structures its whole offering. Now these three tiers, one peak
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life from that new focus on health span, the innovative
blood pressure stuff, the medical grade ECG on the MG.
There's clearly a lot for anyoneinterested to really weigh up.
Exactly, and the 5K runners insights really help clarify who
each tier is probably aimed at. The big takeaway is whoops
evolving. It's giving you more options
than before, right? But it also means you need to
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think carefully about which level of features and which
price point actually lines up best with your own health goals,
your fitness needs and maybe your long term plans.
And that leads us perfectly intoour final thought for you today,
thinking about your own fitness journey, your health span goals.
Does this new tiered structure from Woov actually offer the
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right mix of insights and features for you?
Or does the added complexity maybe the potential for, you
know, subscription fatigue, doesthat outweigh the benefit?
It's the key question. Definitely, we strongly
encourage you. If you want even more detail,
check out the 5K Runners full article on their site.
It'll really help you form your own opinion on whether this
latest evolution from WOOP makessense for you.