May 16, 2025 • 37 mins
Lots of things to discuss this week - training, nutrition, tips and physiology...oh, and a bit of tech as usual ;-)
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You know, it feels like every week there's just this tidal
wave of new gadgets and researchhitting the health and fitness
world, keeping up with what actually matters for your own
well-being. It can feel like a sport in
itself. Absolutely.
And that's really why we're hereto do some of that heavy lifting
for you. We've sifted through the latest
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announcements, dug into some interesting science and, you
know, kept a close eye on the experts, right to bring you the
key insights that can genuinely make a difference and how you
approach your fitness, your health.
And this week we've got a reallydiverse set of topics,
everything from like cutting edge sleep tech to new tools for
tracking your performance. A look at the science behind
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supplements updates in the virtual training space.
Plus, as always, we're tapping into the detailed analysis from
the 5K runner. Always a great source.
Fantastic source, yeah, especially for their perspective
on sleep, overall Wellness, and that crucial concept of health
span. So let's dive right in, shall
we? We're starting with something
designed to, well, upgrade your sleep from the ground up.
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We are. We're talking about the brand
new 8 Sleep Pod 5. This is their fifth version,
their 5th iteration of this sleep system, right?
And it's really all about enhanced temperature regulation
and more detailed slee tracking.What's interesting here is how
they've structured the lineup. You've got three different
models now, the Core, the Plus, and the Ultra.
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It makes you wonder about their strategy, you know, targeting
different user needs and budgets.
Right. So the Pod 5 core, that's the
foundation. You get the mattress cover
itself and the control hub. And the core benefits across all
versions are, well, that incredible ability to
independently cool or heat each side of the bed.
That's the key feature, really. Yeah, if you share a bed and
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have wildly different temperature preferences, I mean,
this could be a total game changer.
Totally. Plus it's packed with sensors.
It tracks your sleep stages, heart rate, that's your beats
per minute, heart rate variability, or HRV.
Which is a great recovery metric.
Exactly. Key indicator of recovery if
you're snoring even your breathing rate.
And all without you needing to wear a thing.
Yeah, wearable free tracking. And instead of some jarring
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alarm, it uses like gentle vibrations or changes in
temperature to wake you. In the USA, full size core
starts around what, $2849? Which, as the 5K runner pointed
out, is a notable jump in price from the POD 4.
Yeah, quite a jump, likely due to tariffs they mentioned.
Yeah, probably. Prices in the EU and UK are in a
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similar sort of ballpark. OK, so moving up the ladder,
you've got the Pod 5 plus right?This takes the core and adds a
temperature regulated blanket. A blanket too.
OK. Yeah, when you think about it,
it's an interesting extension oftheir core tech.
By adding a blanket that also integrates with the System 8,
Sleep is aiming for a more complete, maybe more effective
thermal experience. Makes sense?
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They claim this doubles the heating and cooling power.
Doubles it, yeah. For this extra layer, though,
the US price jumps up to $4099, again similar increases in
Europe. It does make you wonder if the
added benefit really justifies that significant price jump for,
you know, for most users. And then we have the ultimate
experience, the Pod 5 Ultra. The top tier.
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This one includes everything, the cover, the hub, the blanket,
and an adjustable base. OK, now we're talking serious
feature. Yeah, here's where things get
really at next level. This base offers what they call
back pressure relief. With 0 gravity elevation.
It can slightly raise your head,which can help reduce snoring.
That could be useful for a lot of.
People totally and it even has built in surround sound speakers
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for things like sleep, soundscapes, meditation or even
your alarm. Built in sound.
Yeah, it's a substantial upgradefrom the previous Ultra model.
However, it comes at a premium, starting at $6099 for a Queen in
the US. Wow, OK.
What's critical though, for anyone considering any of these
models is the mandatory monthly autopilot subscription, at least
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for the first year. The subscription model.
Right, exactly. This subscription unlocks the
intelligent features, gives you access to your historical sleep
data, enables those automatic temperature adjustments based on
your sleep, your preferences, even the ambient temperature in
your room. So it's not just the hardware it
costs. No.
And there are different subscription levels, Standard,
enhanced and elite and these even impact the length of your
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warranty. This trend of subscription
models for hardware, it's definitely something you're
seeing more and more across tech.
It raises that question about the long term cost versus the
perceived value, you know. Exactly, and the 5K runners take
out neatly sums it up. Expensive, excellent and silent.
Good summary. They highlight the potential for
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improved sleep, the real benefitfor couples with different
temperature needs. They also note the impressive
accuracy of the sleep data. Which is important.
Very. However, they do question if the
blanket really adds significant value beyond the already pretty
sophisticated temperature regulation in the cover itself.
Yeah, that was my thought too. And they point out that the
ongoing subscription cost is a definite downside.
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They also touch on a potential limitation, how well the system
handles, like big swings in roomtemperature.
That's a practical concern. This brings up a key point.
While the text sounds incrediblyadvanced, the total cost of
ownership, especially with that recurring subscription, it's a
significant investment. No kidding.
The reader comments on the 5K Runner site certainly reflect
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this. Lots of mentions of the eye
watering prices I bet, but there's also a clear recognition
that it's a high quality productthat likely serves its target
market well. It makes you think about how
much you're willing to invest for potentially optimal sleep.
It really does. OK, let's move from the bedroom
to your workouts. Garmin has just unveiled a new
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top tier chest strap, the HRM 600.
Yes, the HRM 600. And what's particularly
interesting about this one is that Garmin has packed in
features that allow it to be used quite effectively, even
without being directly paired with a smartwatch.
Oh, really? Standalone use.
To some extent, yeah. It's priced at £149.99,
available very soon and one of the most talked about new
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features is something called Step Speed Loss.
Step speed loss? What's that?
It's a new running dynamic designed to work with the new 4
runner 970. We'll talk about that later, but
it essentially analyses how muchspeed you lose with each foot
strike. This kind of metric could be
really valuable for runners looking to optimise their
efficiency. You know, that sounds incredibly
insightful for serious runners and it also has the capability
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for stand alone activity recording, you said.
Exactly. So if you're playing a sport
where a watch might be cumbersome or not allowed,
basketball, swimming, maybe somemartial.
Arts, right? The HRM 600 can track your heart
rate, distance, calories burned,and more all on its own.
Nice. Plus, it's got a rechargeable
battery. Garmin claims it'll last up to
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two months. Two months, pretty good.
A welcome change from fiddling with those little coin
batteries. Definitely the inclusion of a
small multicolor LED indicator is a nice touch too.
Gives you quick visual feedback on pairing battery level.
It offers both secure Bluetooth Low energy BLE for connecting to
up to three devices simultaneously, 3 devices OK and
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also the more traditional Ant Plus technology which allows for
unlimited connections to compatible devices for swimmers.
It can store your heart rate data during your swim and then
forward it to a compatible watchafterwards.
Useful. It even supports a wide array of
multi sport activities includingteam sports where it can track
speed and distance when used with compatible Garmin devices
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or apps. This really expands its utility
beyond just running and cycling.So it's much more versatile than
just a heart rate monitor for like traditional endurance
sports. Yeah, definitely seems that way.
The fact that it seamlessly integrates with the Garmin
Connect app and can sync data inreal time with Garmin watches,
edge computers, even the tax indoor training app, that's
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pretty impressive if you're already in the Garmin ecosystem.
It is, and the 5K runners take out highlights that these new
features, particularly the ability to use it without a
watch, are a pleasant surprise could appeal to a broader range
of athletes. However, they do raise a valid
point about the rechargeable battery versus the very long
lifespan you typically get from a standard CR2032 battery in
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older models. Right, the longevity concern.
Exactly. It makes you wonder about the
long term reliability and you know, the hassle of remembering
to charge yet another device. That's a classic trade off in
modern tech, isn't it? Convenience often comes with
meeting more frequent charging. It really does.
The reader comments on the 5K runner site mentioned that the
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replaceable belt is a big plus for durability.
Good point, but some share that concerned about the rechargeable
aspect. It's also noted that it uses the
familiar Garmin 4 pin charging connector.
OK, there's a lot of excitement around that new step speed loss
metric, with users hoping it will be rolled out to more
Garmin watches beyond just the 9/7.
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I'd hope so. Interestingly, there's also a
comment pointing out the absenceof metrics for cross country
skiing power, which were apparently available on some
previous high end garment straps.
No. So they removed something.
Seems like it, or at least is not mentioned for this model.
It just shows that even within aspecific product line, features
can evolve and sometimes change focus.
All right, let's shift gears away from specific gadgets for a
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moment and delve into some fascinating meta science topic.
Beetroot juice for performance. Yeah, beetroot juice.
This comes from a comprehensive scientific meta analysis,
basically a study of studies, right?
Covering an impressive 20 systematic reviews and 180
individual primary research papers.
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Wow, that a lot of data. It is the key ingredient in
beetroot juice that's believed to be responsible for any
performance benefits is dietary nitrate.
Nitrate, OK. What's really interesting is
that these nitrates play a crucial role in what's called
the nitrate nitrate nitric oxidepathway in your body.
This pathway is responsible for generating about 80% of your
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total nitrate supply. OK, so why is that important for
someone who's trying to improve their athletic performance?
What does nitric oxide actually do in the body in this context?
Well, and this is slightly frustrating, but our source here
cuts off at that exact crucial point.
Oh seriously? Just when it gets good.
I know, however, the title the article Get faster very clearly
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suggests the intended benefit for athletes.
Right, you can guess the direction.
We can reasonably infer that nitric oxide plays a significant
role in physiological processes that contribute to improved
exercise performance. A more complete article would
likely discuss things like improved blood flow, maybe a
reduced oxygen cost of exercise meaning you can do more work for
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the same effort, and potentiallyenhanced muscle function.
But yeah, it's a good reminder that sometimes you need to dig
into the full research to get the complete picture.
Absolutely. These snippets are often just
the starting point for deeper understanding.
Now let's pivot back to the world of technology and talk
about virtual training. My Woosh, the online cycling
platform that's free to use, hasjust launched its version of
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Five Point O. Yeah, and this represents a
pretty significant technical overhaul for my woosh.
For those who haven't been following along, my wish has
been around for a few years, seen regular updates, new
virtual worlds features. Initially, some users
experienced issues with the platform stability, but it
seemed like later updates in thethree-point X versions addressed
many of those problems. OK, so it got better.
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It did. However, it's worth noting that
some early user reports suggest that version 5.0 point 0 might
have introduced some new instabilities.
Common challenge with major software updates, right?
Very common things break. So what are the key changes and
improvements in this 5.0 release?
The primary focus appears to be on the underlying technology.
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The biggest change is an upgradeto the Unreal Engine 5.0
graphics engine. OK, so better graphics.
That's the promise. More visually appealing
environments, potentially smoother performance across
different devices. Users now also have the
flexibility to choose their preferred frame rate, either 30
or 60 frames per second. Frame rate choice good.
Depending on your computer or tablet, yeah.
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Yeah. My Woosh also claims
improvements to the accuracy of workout calculations,
specifically in how training stress score TSS is determined.
Right workout load. Exactly.
And finally, there's a minor tweaks to the user interface.
OK, the 5K runners take out seems maybe a little
underwhelmed, describing it as more of a significant technical
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performance update with few new features that users will
directly notice. It's a feeling.
They even suggest it feels more like a version 4.5 than a full 5
point O Ouch. While they do acknowledge A
smoother experience at 60 framesper second for those with high
end PCs, they emphasise that it's not really groundbreaking,
more of a necessary step to catch up with what other
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platforms like Swift already offer visually.
Right, playing catch up. They also mentioned a planned
video comparing the graphics, but they anticipate some
technical difficulties sharing the large files.
Dropbox issues maybe? The choice of large video files.
This really underscores the competitive nature of the
virtual cycling platform market.While my wish is free, access is
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a major draw. Huge draw.
It is, but they need to continuously innovate not just
under the hood, but also in terms of new features, engaging
content to truly compete with established players like Swift.
User stability and compelling new experiences will be crucial
for their long term success and,you know, keeping users around.
Definitely. OK, let's circle back to Garmin
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for a moment. Looks like there's been a new
leak information suggesting a variant of what we anticipate
being the Phoenix 8, but this one's specifically designed for
pilots, reportedly called the D2Mach 2.
Yeah, Garmin has this fascinating strategy of
leveraging their core Phoenix platform for secialized devices.
They do it well, they do, and the D2 Mach 2 seems to be
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another example. It's essentially expected to be
a Phoenix 8 tailored for aviation pros an enthusiasts
likely using the same advanced hardware that vibrant AMOLED
screen, but with a suite of software features crucial for
flying. It's predicted to slide into
their product range above the D2Air X10, which side note is
built on the VU 2 Plus platform.OK, good clarification.
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And alongside the premium MRRQ Aviator Gen 2, but hopefully at
a more accessible price point than that super high end MRRQ
series. So what kind of specialised
features are we talking about for a watch aimed at pilots?
Sounds pretty niche. Oh, it's very specialised.
Based on previous D2 models, we can anticipate A comprehensive
set of tools, things like a worldwide airport database built
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in altimeter with adjustable barometric setting.
Crucial. Absolutely.
A compass display with an HSI horizontal situation indicator
helps with navigation support for Zulu and UTC time syncing
flight plans from Garmin's pilotapp.
Real time NEXRAD weather radar on a moving map.
Wow, weather radar on your wrist.
Yeah, detailed waypoint info. Global database of nave AIDS
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connectivity with garments, connects avionic systems in
flight. Pulse ox monitoring.
Pulse oxide altitude right. Exactly.
Various aviation specific alerts, detailed weather
forecasts like MOS and media grammes, an emergency fly mode,
a density altitude calculator important for performance, and
support for Meet Ours and TAFTS,the standard aviation weather
reports. It's a really powerful set of
tools. That is a lot of aviation
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specific stuff. The 5K runners take out suggests
that the official announcement might not be imminent, though.
Yeah, could still be a little while off.
They also point out an interesting trend where features
from different Garmin lines, like dive tracking from the
Descent series, are starting to appear in other Phoenix
derivatives. Right.
That cross pollination of features, yeah.
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Which leads to the question, will all Phoenix models
eventually get every possible feature, or will some remain
exclusive? Good question.
Hard to say. And for those eagerly awaiting
the next Gen Phoenix 8 Pro with rumoured features like, say, a
Micro Elite display, this D2 Mach 2 leak doesn't really tell
us anything new beyond its specific aviation focus.
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No, it doesn't confirm or deny any of those broader Phoenix 8
rumours. It's more about Garmin
continuing to cater to niche markets with their core wearable
tech. Makes sense.
The reader comments on the 5K Runner site bring up some
broader themes related to Garmin's ecosystem.
There's mention of growing subscription fatigue among
users. We hear that a lot.
Yeah, and some reported issues with the accuracy of Garmin's
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altimeter. Always a tricky sensor.
One commenter helpfully clarifies that the D2 Air X10 is
indeed based on the Venue 2 pluscorrecting the source.
Good catch by the reader. And interestingly, 1 user
expresses considering switching to non Garmin watches, citing A
perceived decline in the qualityor user friendliness of Garmin
Connect. That inshutification term came
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up. Strong word.
Yeah, we have seen that sentiment sometimes in online
communities. It highlights the importance of
the software experience alongside the hardware.
You can't neglect the app. Absolutely not.
Now let's turn our attention to another player in the
competitive sports watch market,Sunto.
They've recently announced a newwatch called the Sunto RN.
Yes, the Sunto RN, it's positioned as a more budget
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friendly alternative to their existing Sunto Race S priced at
$199 or €249 depending on the region.
OK. So aiming lower in price.
Definitely. It's clearly aimed at directly
competing with brands like Koros, Polar, and even some of
Garmin's offerings at slightly higher price points.
It's slated for release in earlyJune next year, so 2025.
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Gotcha. When you look at the specs, it's
interesting to compare it to keycompetitors like the Garmin
Forerunner 165 Music, the Polar Pacer, Coro Space Pro, and
Suno's own more premium Race S, right?
Notably, but the Sunto Arun and the Garmin 4 Runner 165 Music
feature AMOLED displays. AMOLED at that price point.
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Nice. Yeah, they're becoming
increasingly popular. Great colours, very readable.
So what are the key features of the Sintu RN and where has Sintu
made some trade-offs to hit thatmore accessible price?
The main differences seem to liein a few key areas.
Firstly, no onboard maps. OK, I mean maps route.
Yeah, instead it offers more basic breadcrumb style
navigation. You can follow a preloaded
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route, but without detailed map info underneath.
Like the older watches used to do.
Pretty much. Music support is also quite
basic, limited to dragging and dropping MP3 files onto the
watch. No Spotify.
No streaming integration like Spotify or Apple Music.
Payment functionality is also very limited, only alley pay and
only in China. OK, so payments are basically
nonexistent outside China? Correct.
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However, it does come equipped with GPS and a barometric
altimeter. Barometric altimeter is good,
often more accurate for elevation.
It is durable. Gorilla Glass for the display.
A new heart rate sensor and it uses the same energy efficient
Sony dual frequency GNSS chipsetfound in some of their higher
end models. OK, so the core GPS chip is
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solid. Seems so.
The watch case itself is lighter, and it features a
redesigned charging puck. Are there any notable new
software features that Sunto is introducing with the Ron?
Yes, a couple. It comes with a pre installed
marathon feature that provides estimated finish times during a
race. Could be really useful for
pacing. Yeah, like a virtual pacer, kind
of. There's also a new feature
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called Track Mode, which they say is still in development.
Importantly, Sunto has introduced an updated user
interface and underlying software specifically for the
Sunto or Run. A new UI.
Yeah, and it seems these changesare not expected to be rolled
out to their other existing watches, apparently due to
technical constraints. Interesting, that might annoy
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some existing users. Potentially some smaller
editions include a cadence metronome to help with running
rhythm and fueling alerts to remind you to eat or drink
during longer efforts. OK, useful little extras.
The 5K Runners takeout offers a somewhat refreshing perspective,
suggesting that maybe sports watches have become too complex.
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I can see that argument. And that the Sunto Ron offers a
sufficient set of core features for most runners.
They position it as a compellingalternative to the Garmin
Forerunner 165 music, particularly for triathletes who
don't rely on power metre data. Right, if you don't need cycling
power. They also praise the Suntu app
for its usability and the overall aesthetics of the watch.
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Suntu design is usually quite nice.
It is. While they see it as a
strategically sound move for Sunto, it might not have the
same dramatic impact as the Suntu Race S did when it
launched. The recommendation is to
definitely consider the Sunto RUN over some of the offerings
from Garmin or Koros in this price range.
Interesting take. The reader comments on the 5K
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runners analysis raised some good points too.
There's concern about the new operating system and whether its
limitations might affect future updates or compatibility with
older Sunto devices. Yeah.
That's a valid worry. Some users are also questioning
the peak brightness of the AMOLED display.
How well will it perform in bright sunny conditions?
Always a concern with AMOLED on watches definitely.
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And interestingly, 1 commenter asks about data transfer to
China given Santo's current ownership by a Chinese company.
The data privacy question. Yeah, it highlights the
increasing awareness and scrutiny around data privacy and
security in wearables. It's on people's minds.
It certainly is. Now let's dive into what is
perhaps one of the most significant announcements in the
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wearable text space this week. WOOP 5 Point O and the
introduction of the WOOP MG. This feels like a major
evolution for WOOP. Absolutely.
It's not just a new generation of their strap, it's a whole new
ecosystem. You've got 2 distinct strap
options now, the standard WHOOP 5 point O and the new WHOOP MG.
MG What's that stand for? Medical grade maybe?
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They haven't explicitly said, but that seems like a reasonable
guess given the features and along with the straps.
They've restructured their membership into 3 tiers.
Life Peak and one. 3 tiers now, OK.
Yeah. It's important to note though
that the existing Whoop 4 Point O will continue to function.
Current memberships and the Whoop app have been upgraded to
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support the new structure. So 4 point O users aren't left
out immediately. No, and Whoop is also offering
free upgrades to members who recently signed up or those with
over 12 months remaining on their subscription.
We'll touch on that again later.OK, what's really striking is
the clear differentiation between the new straps and
membership levels. The WOOP MG, especially paired
with the Life membership, seems positioned as their premium
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offering focused on advanced health insights.
Exactly. The new features are quite
extensive. Can you walk us through some of
the highlights? What's new?
Certainly one of the key new areas is a focus on health span
and what they're calling pace ofageing, which includes A WOOP
age metric. Woop age.
Interesting concept. Isn't it?
They're also introducing daily blood pressure insights in a
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beta programme, but that's only for the top life tier members.
Estimated blood pressure. How does that work?
They haven't detailed the exact mechanism, but it's likely using
sensor data like pulse transit time.
It's trends, not diagnostic readings, and importantly, it's
not FDA approved like a cuff. OK, good distinction, beta
trends. Right.
And the WHOOP MG hardware has a significant exclusive feature, a
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built in heart Screener that cantake on demand electrocardiogram
ECG readings. ECG on woop, that's big.
It is this feature has received FDA clearance for detecting
atrial fibrillation Afib, a typeof irregular heart rhythm.
Although there are specific usage guidelines and regional
availability limitations. Right.
Got to have the clearance and bein the right place.
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That's a major step into proactive health monitoring,
though. Huge step.
What other new insights and features are included?
Well, there are also irregular heart rhythm notifications that
will alert you to potential issues separate from the on
demand ECG. OK, passive protection too.
They've introduced an AI poweredassistant that provides daily
outlooks and personalised advicebased on your data.
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AI coach, kind of. Sort of.
The step counter algorithm has apparently been improved for
better accuracy. The accelerometers and
gyroscopes within the straps have been enhanced for more
precise activity tracking. Good hardware improvements.
There's a new stress monitor formembers on the peak and Life
tiers. The sleep performance metric has
been reimagined, focusing more on overall sleep quality.
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Women's hormonal insights are now included across all
membership tiers, which is a great step towards more
inclusive data. It's really.
Good to see a standard. Yeah, and they're also planning
to launch Advanced Labs soon, which will be a paid add on for
integrating and analysing blood test results.
OK. Connecting lab data?
That's interesting. And the physical hardware of the
straps themselves has also undergone some changes, right?
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Not just the sensors inside. Yes, both the WOOP 5 point O and
the WOOP MG are smaller and lighter than the four point O.
Smaller is good. And they feature a significantly
faster processor. Battery life has seen a
substantial improvement, now lasting over 14 days on a single
charge. 14 days, that's massive for woop.
It really is the peak in life. Membership tiers will come with
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a new wireless Power Pack for charging on the go.
Wireless charging. Nice.
While the base one tier uses a traditional corded charger, the
strap mechanism itself has been redesigned and is not compatible
with Woo 40 bands. Ah.
So need new bands? Yep.
Despite all these upgrades, they've maintained their
signature screen free design. Still no screen.
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Still no screen. The WOOP app has also been
streamlined with a new interface, and there's better
integration of strength trainingdata into the health span
metrics. OK, lots of changes there.
The 5K runners take out characterises this update as
significant and thoughtful, although they acknowledge that
the new structure with differentstraps and membership tiers add
some complexity. Yeah, it's a bit more confusing
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now. They highlight the impressive 14
day battery life, the on demand ECG and the innovative blood
pressure trend tracking as key improvements.
Those are the. They do note that there are more
affordable fitness trackers available, but emphasise whoops
clear focus on a health conscious audience willing to
invest in deeper data and insights.
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Right, it's a premium health play.
While they point out that ECG functionality isn't entirely
unique in the market anymore, they see the blood pressure
insights as a particularly innovative feature.
Yeah, the BP trends are the novel part.
They also commend Boop for including Women's Health
features as standard and praise the overall Whoop app
experience. They even anticipate that
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competitors will likely follow Whoops increased emphasis on
health span metrics. It feels like health span is
becoming the next big buzzword and wearables.
It does. However, the reader comments on
the 5K runners analysis reveal some scepticism, particularly
around the accuracy and utility of those estimated blood
pressure readings. Yeah, that's bound to draw
scrutiny. Needs real world validation.
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Definitely. There are also questions about
why major competitors like Polaror Garmin haven't yet launched
similarly comprehensive and holistic health tracking
solutions. Good question.
Different strategies maybe? Perhaps some commenters
expressed disagreement with WOOPS pricing and perceived
product market fit, while otherswho are invested in the Garmin
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ecosystem expressed the desire for Garmin to integrate the type
of detailed data insights that WOP provides.
Right that Garmin needs woops brain argument.
It highlights the different priorities and expectations
within the wearable tech user base.
Some want hardware, some want insights.
Exactly. It's also worth noting a bit of
a saga surrounding Woops initialannouncement of this new
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generation and their upgrade policy for existing members.
Bit of drama there. Yes, there was initially a
change in their policy regardingfree hardware upgrades for long
term subscribers. This sparked some negative
feedback from their user base. Understatement.
Maybe. Probably.
Many pointed to previous commitments WHOOP had made.
However, in response to this backlash, WHOOP has since
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reversed course on that initial policy.
OK, so they backtracked. They did.
They are now offering free upgrades to existing members who
have over 12 months remaining ontheir subscription, which
primarily applies to those who initially signed up for a two
year commitment and also to new customers who opt for a 12 month
subscription. Got it.
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The 5K runners take out on this policy reversal states that
while the initial plan might have seemed reasonable from a
business perspective, Loop ultimately made the right
decision by backtracking and honouring their previous
commitments. Doing the right thing,
essentially. Yeah, they do point out, though,
that those subscribers with 6 to12 months remaining on their
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current membership might still feel somewhat overlooked by the
revised policy. Yeah, there's always someone
just outside that cut off. A reader comments succinctly
captures the sentiment, calling the revised approach more
reasonable, but still expressingA fundamental dislike for the
subscription model due to the lack of any resale value for the
hardware. That's the core issue with
subscription hardware, isn't it?You never really own it.
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Pretty much. Finally, let's discuss the new
Garmin Forerunner 970. This appears to be a very
significant upgrade compared to the already impressive
Forerunner 965. Yeah, the 970 looks like a
beast. It's priced at $750, available
very soon. The hardware and design have
undergone some notable evolutions.
OK, what's change? It features a new user interface
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that aligns with the look and feel of the Phoenix 8 series.
It incorporates Garmin's on demand ECG.
App ECG comes to the Forerunner line finally.
Yep, promises more accurate tracking of exercise activities.
Includes a skin temperature sensor and other metric popping
up more. Seeing that everywhere now.
A built in LED flashlight which can be surprisingly useful.
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Actually, yeah, very handy. A durable sapphire crystal lens
for the display. Interestingly, while the overall
size is slightly thinner, it's also a bit heavier than the 965.
Thinner but heavier. And it now includes a built in
speaker and microphone. The display size is also
fractionally smaller. Speaker and mic so calls on the
rest. Exactly.
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The battery life sees a mix of changes depending on how you use
it. It's reported to be slightly
shorter in standard smartwatch mode and when using GPS on its
own. Shorter.
That's surprising. But it offers longer battery
life when using Garmin Sat EQ mode, which intelligently
selects the best GPS mode and inmultiband GNSS mode, especially
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when you're also listening to music.
OK, so better in the power hungry modes.
Seems like it. Garmin has also introduced
customizable battery profiles, giving you more control over
power management. Good.
And the new smart features you mentioned calls.
Right, significant additions here.
Ability to make and receive phone calls, send text messages
using your voice when paired with a smartphone.
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Via the phone connection, right?Not LTE itself.
Correct relies on the phone. It also includes AVIRB remote
function for controlling Garmin's action cameras, support
for Bluetooth phone calling and voice assistance, and even voice
commands for interacting with a watch.
Lots more smarts then. Definitely on the health and
Wellness front, the 4 Runner 970adds skin temperature tracking,
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further enhancements to the ovulation estimate, features for
Women's Health and a new eveningreport that summarises your
day's activity and sleep. OK, rounding out the health
picture. For workouts and training plans,
it now includes direct support for Garmin's triathlon coach and
the ability to create and followmulti sport structured workouts.
Useful for triathletes. Very There are also several new
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exclusive activity profiles and some interesting additions to
running features. Although some of these advanced
metrics like that step speed loss and running economy do
require the new HRM 600 chest strap we discussed earlier.
Tying it back to the new strap makes sense.
Other new features include dynamic round trip routing,
which can now be adjusted mid activity auto lap triggered by
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timing gates useful for track workouts, and a suggested finish
line time prediction for races. Some nice software tweaks.
Yeah, surprisingly, at least fornow, there are no new features
locked behind Garments Connect Plus subscription service.
Oh, that is surprising. Maybe they're holding back for
now. Could be the 5K runners take out
highlights, the significant additions and hardware speaker,
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teramic flashlight, sapphire lens, new health metrics like
skin temp and ECG, and various software enhancements.
They note the mixed battery lifecompared to the 965 and suggest
that for some users, the 970 could be a more capable and
potentially lighter alternative to the Phoenix 8.
Lighter than a Phoenix 8. Interesting angle, yeah.
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The reader comments on the 5K runners analysis show a lot of
comparisons to the Phoenix series, some questioning the
overall value proposition of the970 right.
Is it worth the price jump? And even suggesting that there's
now less compelling reason to purchase a Phoenix 8.
Cannibalising their own market. Potentially there are also
comments on the watches design, concerns about battery life in
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certain scenarios, anticipation for a potential LTE enabled
variant in the future. People always want LTE.
Always some users are comparing it to the Epics Pro series,
which has a similar AMOLED display, and there are questions
about the accuracy of its strength tram tracking features.
Strength tracking is always tricky for watches.
It really is. Finally, we have the revamped
Huawei Watch Fit 4 Pro. It's interesting to see Huawei
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offering features reminiscent ofthe high end Apple Watch Ultra
2. Like offline maps and diving.
Exactly. Offline maps for trail running.
Significant diving capabilities but at a much more accessible
price point of £249.99. That's a big price difference.
It certainly seems to pack a lotof functionality for the money.
It does. It boasts a premium build
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titanium alloy case, sapphire glass display, aerospace created
aluminium bits. Titanium and sapphire at that
price, wow. Yeah, a bright 1.82 inch AMOLED
screen and it remains very lightweight.
Key features include an upgradeddual frequency GNSS for more
accurate positioning, full colour offline maps for
navigation. Offline maps are huge.
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The ability to import routes from commute waypoint guidance,
A backtracking feature to help you retrace your steps and built
in barometric altimeter. Got the key navigation sensors.
It also offers dedicated sports tracking modes for trail running
with topo maps, golf with preloaded course maps and swing
analysis. Free diving down to 40 metres
with detailed metrics and safetyreminders. 40 metre free diving
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OK. And even a mode for
mountaineering. The claimed battery life is U to
10 days, maybe 7 with tyical usage and it fully charges in
just an hour. Fast charging too.
The 5K Runners takeout emphasises the impressive
specifications, especially noting the Titanium, Sapphire
and onboard topo maps at this price point.
Yeah, the materials and maps stand out.
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But they do raise valid questions about the real world
usability of the Huawei app and the broader ecosystem.
You know, how well does it all actually work together?
Right, the software experience matters.
And they inquire whether a full in depth review would be of
interest to their audience. Read your comments on their
site. Touch on some past limitations
of Huawei's app on iOS devices. Always a concern with
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cross-platform compatibility. Questions about its
compatibility with iPhones in the US Given current
restrictions and a request for clarification on its support for
external cycling sensors, particularly power metres, the
initial info might have been unclear there.
OK, power metre support is key for serious cyclists.
Well, that was an incredibly comprehensive look at a week
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packed with exciting developments, Sports, health,
Wellness, tech. So much going on.
We covered everything from sleepoptimization, advanced
wearables, the science of supplements, virtual training.
It truly highlights the rapid pace of innovation in this
field. We're seeing a clear trend
towards more integrated health monitoring the continued
evolution of subscription services.
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Subscriptions everywhere. And increasing competition
across all segments of the market, which means you know
more choices than ever before for you.
So as you absorb all this information about the latest
advancements, from sleep systemsthat learn your patterns, to
watches that offer in depth physiological data, even
potential early warnings about your health, it really makes you
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think. How do you navigate this ever
evolving landscape? How do you find the tools and
technologies that best support your individual goals and
well-being? What are the key features that
truly resonate with you? And how do you balance that
desire for more data with the need for, well, simplicity and
actionable insights in your own fitness journey?
Those are crucial questions for you to ponder.
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Definitely. We highly encourage you to
explore the sources we've discussed today, especially the
detailed analysis available overat the 5K Runners website for
even more in depth information and perspectives.
Thanks so much for joining us for this deep dive.
We hope this is giving you a clearer understanding of the
week's most important news and insights.
We'll catch you next time.
You know, it feels like every week there's just this tidal
wave of new gadgets and researchhitting the health and fitness
world, keeping up with what actually matters for your own
well-being. It can feel like a sport in
itself. Absolutely.
And that's really why we're hereto do some of that heavy lifting
for you. We've sifted through the latest
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announcements, dug into some interesting science and, you
know, kept a close eye on the experts, right to bring you the
key insights that can genuinely make a difference and how you
approach your fitness, your health.
And this week we've got a reallydiverse set of topics,
everything from like cutting edge sleep tech to new tools for
tracking your performance. A look at the science behind
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supplements updates in the virtual training space.
Plus, as always, we're tapping into the detailed analysis from
the 5K runner. Always a great source.
Fantastic source, yeah, especially for their perspective
on sleep, overall Wellness, and that crucial concept of health
span. So let's dive right in, shall
we? We're starting with something
designed to, well, upgrade your sleep from the ground up.
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We are. We're talking about the brand
new 8 Sleep Pod 5. This is their fifth version,
their 5th iteration of this sleep system, right?
And it's really all about enhanced temperature regulation
and more detailed slee tracking.What's interesting here is how
they've structured the lineup. You've got three different
models now, the Core, the Plus, and the Ultra.
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It makes you wonder about their strategy, you know, targeting
different user needs and budgets.
Right. So the Pod 5 core, that's the
foundation. You get the mattress cover
itself and the control hub. And the core benefits across all
versions are, well, that incredible ability to
independently cool or heat each side of the bed.
That's the key feature, really. Yeah, if you share a bed and
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have wildly different temperature preferences, I mean,
this could be a total game changer.
Totally. Plus it's packed with sensors.
It tracks your sleep stages, heart rate, that's your beats
per minute, heart rate variability, or HRV.
Which is a great recovery metric.
Exactly. Key indicator of recovery if
you're snoring even your breathing rate.
And all without you needing to wear a thing.
Yeah, wearable free tracking. And instead of some jarring
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alarm, it uses like gentle vibrations or changes in
temperature to wake you. In the USA, full size core
starts around what, $2849? Which, as the 5K runner pointed
out, is a notable jump in price from the POD 4.
Yeah, quite a jump, likely due to tariffs they mentioned.
Yeah, probably. Prices in the EU and UK are in a
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similar sort of ballpark. OK, so moving up the ladder,
you've got the Pod 5 plus right?This takes the core and adds a
temperature regulated blanket. A blanket too.
OK. Yeah, when you think about it,
it's an interesting extension oftheir core tech.
By adding a blanket that also integrates with the System 8,
Sleep is aiming for a more complete, maybe more effective
thermal experience. Makes sense?
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They claim this doubles the heating and cooling power.
Doubles it, yeah. For this extra layer, though,
the US price jumps up to $4099, again similar increases in
Europe. It does make you wonder if the
added benefit really justifies that significant price jump for,
you know, for most users. And then we have the ultimate
experience, the Pod 5 Ultra. The top tier.
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This one includes everything, the cover, the hub, the blanket,
and an adjustable base. OK, now we're talking serious
feature. Yeah, here's where things get
really at next level. This base offers what they call
back pressure relief. With 0 gravity elevation.
It can slightly raise your head,which can help reduce snoring.
That could be useful for a lot of.
People totally and it even has built in surround sound speakers
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for things like sleep, soundscapes, meditation or even
your alarm. Built in sound.
Yeah, it's a substantial upgradefrom the previous Ultra model.
However, it comes at a premium, starting at $6099 for a Queen in
the US. Wow, OK.
What's critical though, for anyone considering any of these
models is the mandatory monthly autopilot subscription, at least
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for the first year. The subscription model.
Right, exactly. This subscription unlocks the
intelligent features, gives you access to your historical sleep
data, enables those automatic temperature adjustments based on
your sleep, your preferences, even the ambient temperature in
your room. So it's not just the hardware it
costs. No.
And there are different subscription levels, Standard,
enhanced and elite and these even impact the length of your
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warranty. This trend of subscription
models for hardware, it's definitely something you're
seeing more and more across tech.
It raises that question about the long term cost versus the
perceived value, you know. Exactly, and the 5K runners take
out neatly sums it up. Expensive, excellent and silent.
Good summary. They highlight the potential for
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improved sleep, the real benefitfor couples with different
temperature needs. They also note the impressive
accuracy of the sleep data. Which is important.
Very. However, they do question if the
blanket really adds significant value beyond the already pretty
sophisticated temperature regulation in the cover itself.
Yeah, that was my thought too. And they point out that the
ongoing subscription cost is a definite downside.
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They also touch on a potential limitation, how well the system
handles, like big swings in roomtemperature.
That's a practical concern. This brings up a key point.
While the text sounds incrediblyadvanced, the total cost of
ownership, especially with that recurring subscription, it's a
significant investment. No kidding.
The reader comments on the 5K Runner site certainly reflect
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this. Lots of mentions of the eye
watering prices I bet, but there's also a clear recognition
that it's a high quality productthat likely serves its target
market well. It makes you think about how
much you're willing to invest for potentially optimal sleep.
It really does. OK, let's move from the bedroom
to your workouts. Garmin has just unveiled a new
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top tier chest strap, the HRM 600.
Yes, the HRM 600. And what's particularly
interesting about this one is that Garmin has packed in
features that allow it to be used quite effectively, even
without being directly paired with a smartwatch.
Oh, really? Standalone use.
To some extent, yeah. It's priced at £149.99,
available very soon and one of the most talked about new
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features is something called Step Speed Loss.
Step speed loss? What's that?
It's a new running dynamic designed to work with the new 4
runner 970. We'll talk about that later, but
it essentially analyses how muchspeed you lose with each foot
strike. This kind of metric could be
really valuable for runners looking to optimise their
efficiency. You know, that sounds incredibly
insightful for serious runners and it also has the capability
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for stand alone activity recording, you said.
Exactly. So if you're playing a sport
where a watch might be cumbersome or not allowed,
basketball, swimming, maybe somemartial.
Arts, right? The HRM 600 can track your heart
rate, distance, calories burned,and more all on its own.
Nice. Plus, it's got a rechargeable
battery. Garmin claims it'll last up to
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two months. Two months, pretty good.
A welcome change from fiddling with those little coin
batteries. Definitely the inclusion of a
small multicolor LED indicator is a nice touch too.
Gives you quick visual feedback on pairing battery level.
It offers both secure Bluetooth Low energy BLE for connecting to
up to three devices simultaneously, 3 devices OK and
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also the more traditional Ant Plus technology which allows for
unlimited connections to compatible devices for swimmers.
It can store your heart rate data during your swim and then
forward it to a compatible watchafterwards.
Useful. It even supports a wide array of
multi sport activities includingteam sports where it can track
speed and distance when used with compatible Garmin devices
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or apps. This really expands its utility
beyond just running and cycling.So it's much more versatile than
just a heart rate monitor for like traditional endurance
sports. Yeah, definitely seems that way.
The fact that it seamlessly integrates with the Garmin
Connect app and can sync data inreal time with Garmin watches,
edge computers, even the tax indoor training app, that's
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pretty impressive if you're already in the Garmin ecosystem.
It is, and the 5K runners take out highlights that these new
features, particularly the ability to use it without a
watch, are a pleasant surprise could appeal to a broader range
of athletes. However, they do raise a valid
point about the rechargeable battery versus the very long
lifespan you typically get from a standard CR2032 battery in
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older models. Right, the longevity concern.
Exactly. It makes you wonder about the
long term reliability and you know, the hassle of remembering
to charge yet another device. That's a classic trade off in
modern tech, isn't it? Convenience often comes with
meeting more frequent charging. It really does.
The reader comments on the 5K runner site mentioned that the
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replaceable belt is a big plus for durability.
Good point, but some share that concerned about the rechargeable
aspect. It's also noted that it uses the
familiar Garmin 4 pin charging connector.
OK, there's a lot of excitement around that new step speed loss
metric, with users hoping it will be rolled out to more
Garmin watches beyond just the 9/7.
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I'd hope so. Interestingly, there's also a
comment pointing out the absenceof metrics for cross country
skiing power, which were apparently available on some
previous high end garment straps.
No. So they removed something.
Seems like it, or at least is not mentioned for this model.
It just shows that even within aspecific product line, features
can evolve and sometimes change focus.
All right, let's shift gears away from specific gadgets for a
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moment and delve into some fascinating meta science topic.
Beetroot juice for performance. Yeah, beetroot juice.
This comes from a comprehensive scientific meta analysis,
basically a study of studies, right?
Covering an impressive 20 systematic reviews and 180
individual primary research papers.
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Wow, that a lot of data. It is the key ingredient in
beetroot juice that's believed to be responsible for any
performance benefits is dietary nitrate.
Nitrate, OK. What's really interesting is
that these nitrates play a crucial role in what's called
the nitrate nitrate nitric oxidepathway in your body.
This pathway is responsible for generating about 80% of your
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total nitrate supply. OK, so why is that important for
someone who's trying to improve their athletic performance?
What does nitric oxide actually do in the body in this context?
Well, and this is slightly frustrating, but our source here
cuts off at that exact crucial point.
Oh seriously? Just when it gets good.
I know, however, the title the article Get faster very clearly
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suggests the intended benefit for athletes.
Right, you can guess the direction.
We can reasonably infer that nitric oxide plays a significant
role in physiological processes that contribute to improved
exercise performance. A more complete article would
likely discuss things like improved blood flow, maybe a
reduced oxygen cost of exercise meaning you can do more work for
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the same effort, and potentiallyenhanced muscle function.
But yeah, it's a good reminder that sometimes you need to dig
into the full research to get the complete picture.
Absolutely. These snippets are often just
the starting point for deeper understanding.
Now let's pivot back to the world of technology and talk
about virtual training. My Woosh, the online cycling
platform that's free to use, hasjust launched its version of
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Five Point O. Yeah, and this represents a
pretty significant technical overhaul for my woosh.
For those who haven't been following along, my wish has
been around for a few years, seen regular updates, new
virtual worlds features. Initially, some users
experienced issues with the platform stability, but it
seemed like later updates in thethree-point X versions addressed
many of those problems. OK, so it got better.
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It did. However, it's worth noting that
some early user reports suggest that version 5.0 point 0 might
have introduced some new instabilities.
Common challenge with major software updates, right?
Very common things break. So what are the key changes and
improvements in this 5.0 release?
The primary focus appears to be on the underlying technology.
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The biggest change is an upgradeto the Unreal Engine 5.0
graphics engine. OK, so better graphics.
That's the promise. More visually appealing
environments, potentially smoother performance across
different devices. Users now also have the
flexibility to choose their preferred frame rate, either 30
or 60 frames per second. Frame rate choice good.
Depending on your computer or tablet, yeah.
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Yeah. My Woosh also claims
improvements to the accuracy of workout calculations,
specifically in how training stress score TSS is determined.
Right workout load. Exactly.
And finally, there's a minor tweaks to the user interface.
OK, the 5K runners take out seems maybe a little
underwhelmed, describing it as more of a significant technical
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performance update with few new features that users will
directly notice. It's a feeling.
They even suggest it feels more like a version 4.5 than a full 5
point O Ouch. While they do acknowledge A
smoother experience at 60 framesper second for those with high
end PCs, they emphasise that it's not really groundbreaking,
more of a necessary step to catch up with what other
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platforms like Swift already offer visually.
Right, playing catch up. They also mentioned a planned
video comparing the graphics, but they anticipate some
technical difficulties sharing the large files.
Dropbox issues maybe? The choice of large video files.
This really underscores the competitive nature of the
virtual cycling platform market.While my wish is free, access is
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a major draw. Huge draw.
It is, but they need to continuously innovate not just
under the hood, but also in terms of new features, engaging
content to truly compete with established players like Swift.
User stability and compelling new experiences will be crucial
for their long term success and,you know, keeping users around.
Definitely. OK, let's circle back to Garmin
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for a moment. Looks like there's been a new
leak information suggesting a variant of what we anticipate
being the Phoenix 8, but this one's specifically designed for
pilots, reportedly called the D2Mach 2.
Yeah, Garmin has this fascinating strategy of
leveraging their core Phoenix platform for secialized devices.
They do it well, they do, and the D2 Mach 2 seems to be
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another example. It's essentially expected to be
a Phoenix 8 tailored for aviation pros an enthusiasts
likely using the same advanced hardware that vibrant AMOLED
screen, but with a suite of software features crucial for
flying. It's predicted to slide into
their product range above the D2Air X10, which side note is
built on the VU 2 Plus platform.OK, good clarification.
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And alongside the premium MRRQ Aviator Gen 2, but hopefully at
a more accessible price point than that super high end MRRQ
series. So what kind of specialised
features are we talking about for a watch aimed at pilots?
Sounds pretty niche. Oh, it's very specialised.
Based on previous D2 models, we can anticipate A comprehensive
set of tools, things like a worldwide airport database built
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in altimeter with adjustable barometric setting.
Crucial. Absolutely.
A compass display with an HSI horizontal situation indicator
helps with navigation support for Zulu and UTC time syncing
flight plans from Garmin's pilotapp.
Real time NEXRAD weather radar on a moving map.
Wow, weather radar on your wrist.
Yeah, detailed waypoint info. Global database of nave AIDS
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connectivity with garments, connects avionic systems in
flight. Pulse ox monitoring.
Pulse oxide altitude right. Exactly.
Various aviation specific alerts, detailed weather
forecasts like MOS and media grammes, an emergency fly mode,
a density altitude calculator important for performance, and
support for Meet Ours and TAFTS,the standard aviation weather
reports. It's a really powerful set of
tools. That is a lot of aviation
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specific stuff. The 5K runners take out suggests
that the official announcement might not be imminent, though.
Yeah, could still be a little while off.
They also point out an interesting trend where features
from different Garmin lines, like dive tracking from the
Descent series, are starting to appear in other Phoenix
derivatives. Right.
That cross pollination of features, yeah.
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Which leads to the question, will all Phoenix models
eventually get every possible feature, or will some remain
exclusive? Good question.
Hard to say. And for those eagerly awaiting
the next Gen Phoenix 8 Pro with rumoured features like, say, a
Micro Elite display, this D2 Mach 2 leak doesn't really tell
us anything new beyond its specific aviation focus.
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No, it doesn't confirm or deny any of those broader Phoenix 8
rumours. It's more about Garmin
continuing to cater to niche markets with their core wearable
tech. Makes sense.
The reader comments on the 5K Runner site bring up some
broader themes related to Garmin's ecosystem.
There's mention of growing subscription fatigue among
users. We hear that a lot.
Yeah, and some reported issues with the accuracy of Garmin's
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altimeter. Always a tricky sensor.
One commenter helpfully clarifies that the D2 Air X10 is
indeed based on the Venue 2 pluscorrecting the source.
Good catch by the reader. And interestingly, 1 user
expresses considering switching to non Garmin watches, citing A
perceived decline in the qualityor user friendliness of Garmin
Connect. That inshutification term came
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up. Strong word.
Yeah, we have seen that sentiment sometimes in online
communities. It highlights the importance of
the software experience alongside the hardware.
You can't neglect the app. Absolutely not.
Now let's turn our attention to another player in the
competitive sports watch market,Sunto.
They've recently announced a newwatch called the Sunto RN.
Yes, the Sunto RN, it's positioned as a more budget
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friendly alternative to their existing Sunto Race S priced at
$199 or €249 depending on the region.
OK. So aiming lower in price.
Definitely. It's clearly aimed at directly
competing with brands like Koros, Polar, and even some of
Garmin's offerings at slightly higher price points.
It's slated for release in earlyJune next year, so 2025.
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Gotcha. When you look at the specs, it's
interesting to compare it to keycompetitors like the Garmin
Forerunner 165 Music, the Polar Pacer, Coro Space Pro, and
Suno's own more premium Race S, right?
Notably, but the Sunto Arun and the Garmin 4 Runner 165 Music
feature AMOLED displays. AMOLED at that price point.
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Nice. Yeah, they're becoming
increasingly popular. Great colours, very readable.
So what are the key features of the Sintu RN and where has Sintu
made some trade-offs to hit thatmore accessible price?
The main differences seem to liein a few key areas.
Firstly, no onboard maps. OK, I mean maps route.
Yeah, instead it offers more basic breadcrumb style
navigation. You can follow a preloaded
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route, but without detailed map info underneath.
Like the older watches used to do.
Pretty much. Music support is also quite
basic, limited to dragging and dropping MP3 files onto the
watch. No Spotify.
No streaming integration like Spotify or Apple Music.
Payment functionality is also very limited, only alley pay and
only in China. OK, so payments are basically
nonexistent outside China? Correct.
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However, it does come equipped with GPS and a barometric
altimeter. Barometric altimeter is good,
often more accurate for elevation.
It is durable. Gorilla Glass for the display.
A new heart rate sensor and it uses the same energy efficient
Sony dual frequency GNSS chipsetfound in some of their higher
end models. OK, so the core GPS chip is
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solid. Seems so.
The watch case itself is lighter, and it features a
redesigned charging puck. Are there any notable new
software features that Sunto is introducing with the Ron?
Yes, a couple. It comes with a pre installed
marathon feature that provides estimated finish times during a
race. Could be really useful for
pacing. Yeah, like a virtual pacer, kind
of. There's also a new feature
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called Track Mode, which they say is still in development.
Importantly, Sunto has introduced an updated user
interface and underlying software specifically for the
Sunto or Run. A new UI.
Yeah, and it seems these changesare not expected to be rolled
out to their other existing watches, apparently due to
technical constraints. Interesting, that might annoy
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some existing users. Potentially some smaller
editions include a cadence metronome to help with running
rhythm and fueling alerts to remind you to eat or drink
during longer efforts. OK, useful little extras.
The 5K Runners takeout offers a somewhat refreshing perspective,
suggesting that maybe sports watches have become too complex.
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I can see that argument. And that the Sunto Ron offers a
sufficient set of core features for most runners.
They position it as a compellingalternative to the Garmin
Forerunner 165 music, particularly for triathletes who
don't rely on power metre data. Right, if you don't need cycling
power. They also praise the Suntu app
for its usability and the overall aesthetics of the watch.
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Suntu design is usually quite nice.
It is. While they see it as a
strategically sound move for Sunto, it might not have the
same dramatic impact as the Suntu Race S did when it
launched. The recommendation is to
definitely consider the Sunto RUN over some of the offerings
from Garmin or Koros in this price range.
Interesting take. The reader comments on the 5K
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runners analysis raised some good points too.
There's concern about the new operating system and whether its
limitations might affect future updates or compatibility with
older Sunto devices. Yeah.
That's a valid worry. Some users are also questioning
the peak brightness of the AMOLED display.
How well will it perform in bright sunny conditions?
Always a concern with AMOLED on watches definitely.
(21:24):
And interestingly, 1 commenter asks about data transfer to
China given Santo's current ownership by a Chinese company.
The data privacy question. Yeah, it highlights the
increasing awareness and scrutiny around data privacy and
security in wearables. It's on people's minds.
It certainly is. Now let's dive into what is
perhaps one of the most significant announcements in the
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wearable text space this week. WOOP 5 Point O and the
introduction of the WOOP MG. This feels like a major
evolution for WOOP. Absolutely.
It's not just a new generation of their strap, it's a whole new
ecosystem. You've got 2 distinct strap
options now, the standard WHOOP 5 point O and the new WHOOP MG.
MG What's that stand for? Medical grade maybe?
(22:06):
They haven't explicitly said, but that seems like a reasonable
guess given the features and along with the straps.
They've restructured their membership into 3 tiers.
Life Peak and one. 3 tiers now, OK.
Yeah. It's important to note though
that the existing Whoop 4 Point O will continue to function.
Current memberships and the Whoop app have been upgraded to
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support the new structure. So 4 point O users aren't left
out immediately. No, and Whoop is also offering
free upgrades to members who recently signed up or those with
over 12 months remaining on their subscription.
We'll touch on that again later.OK, what's really striking is
the clear differentiation between the new straps and
membership levels. The WOOP MG, especially paired
with the Life membership, seems positioned as their premium
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offering focused on advanced health insights.
Exactly. The new features are quite
extensive. Can you walk us through some of
the highlights? What's new?
Certainly one of the key new areas is a focus on health span
and what they're calling pace ofageing, which includes A WOOP
age metric. Woop age.
Interesting concept. Isn't it?
They're also introducing daily blood pressure insights in a
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beta programme, but that's only for the top life tier members.
Estimated blood pressure. How does that work?
They haven't detailed the exact mechanism, but it's likely using
sensor data like pulse transit time.
It's trends, not diagnostic readings, and importantly, it's
not FDA approved like a cuff. OK, good distinction, beta
trends. Right.
And the WHOOP MG hardware has a significant exclusive feature, a
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built in heart Screener that cantake on demand electrocardiogram
ECG readings. ECG on woop, that's big.
It is this feature has received FDA clearance for detecting
atrial fibrillation Afib, a typeof irregular heart rhythm.
Although there are specific usage guidelines and regional
availability limitations. Right.
Got to have the clearance and bein the right place.
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That's a major step into proactive health monitoring,
though. Huge step.
What other new insights and features are included?
Well, there are also irregular heart rhythm notifications that
will alert you to potential issues separate from the on
demand ECG. OK, passive protection too.
They've introduced an AI poweredassistant that provides daily
outlooks and personalised advicebased on your data.
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AI coach, kind of. Sort of.
The step counter algorithm has apparently been improved for
better accuracy. The accelerometers and
gyroscopes within the straps have been enhanced for more
precise activity tracking. Good hardware improvements.
There's a new stress monitor formembers on the peak and Life
tiers. The sleep performance metric has
been reimagined, focusing more on overall sleep quality.
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Women's hormonal insights are now included across all
membership tiers, which is a great step towards more
inclusive data. It's really.
Good to see a standard. Yeah, and they're also planning
to launch Advanced Labs soon, which will be a paid add on for
integrating and analysing blood test results.
OK. Connecting lab data?
That's interesting. And the physical hardware of the
straps themselves has also undergone some changes, right?
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Not just the sensors inside. Yes, both the WOOP 5 point O and
the WOOP MG are smaller and lighter than the four point O.
Smaller is good. And they feature a significantly
faster processor. Battery life has seen a
substantial improvement, now lasting over 14 days on a single
charge. 14 days, that's massive for woop.
It really is the peak in life. Membership tiers will come with
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a new wireless Power Pack for charging on the go.
Wireless charging. Nice.
While the base one tier uses a traditional corded charger, the
strap mechanism itself has been redesigned and is not compatible
with Woo 40 bands. Ah.
So need new bands? Yep.
Despite all these upgrades, they've maintained their
signature screen free design. Still no screen.
(25:45):
Still no screen. The WOOP app has also been
streamlined with a new interface, and there's better
integration of strength trainingdata into the health span
metrics. OK, lots of changes there.
The 5K runners take out characterises this update as
significant and thoughtful, although they acknowledge that
the new structure with differentstraps and membership tiers add
some complexity. Yeah, it's a bit more confusing
(26:07):
now. They highlight the impressive 14
day battery life, the on demand ECG and the innovative blood
pressure trend tracking as key improvements.
Those are the. They do note that there are more
affordable fitness trackers available, but emphasise whoops
clear focus on a health conscious audience willing to
invest in deeper data and insights.
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Right, it's a premium health play.
While they point out that ECG functionality isn't entirely
unique in the market anymore, they see the blood pressure
insights as a particularly innovative feature.
Yeah, the BP trends are the novel part.
They also commend Boop for including Women's Health
features as standard and praise the overall Whoop app
experience. They even anticipate that
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competitors will likely follow Whoops increased emphasis on
health span metrics. It feels like health span is
becoming the next big buzzword and wearables.
It does. However, the reader comments on
the 5K runners analysis reveal some scepticism, particularly
around the accuracy and utility of those estimated blood
pressure readings. Yeah, that's bound to draw
scrutiny. Needs real world validation.
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Definitely. There are also questions about
why major competitors like Polaror Garmin haven't yet launched
similarly comprehensive and holistic health tracking
solutions. Good question.
Different strategies maybe? Perhaps some commenters
expressed disagreement with WOOPS pricing and perceived
product market fit, while otherswho are invested in the Garmin
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ecosystem expressed the desire for Garmin to integrate the type
of detailed data insights that WOP provides.
Right that Garmin needs woops brain argument.
It highlights the different priorities and expectations
within the wearable tech user base.
Some want hardware, some want insights.
Exactly. It's also worth noting a bit of
a saga surrounding Woops initialannouncement of this new
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generation and their upgrade policy for existing members.
Bit of drama there. Yes, there was initially a
change in their policy regardingfree hardware upgrades for long
term subscribers. This sparked some negative
feedback from their user base. Understatement.
Maybe. Probably.
Many pointed to previous commitments WHOOP had made.
However, in response to this backlash, WHOOP has since
(28:14):
reversed course on that initial policy.
OK, so they backtracked. They did.
They are now offering free upgrades to existing members who
have over 12 months remaining ontheir subscription, which
primarily applies to those who initially signed up for a two
year commitment and also to new customers who opt for a 12 month
subscription. Got it.
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The 5K runners take out on this policy reversal states that
while the initial plan might have seemed reasonable from a
business perspective, Loop ultimately made the right
decision by backtracking and honouring their previous
commitments. Doing the right thing,
essentially. Yeah, they do point out, though,
that those subscribers with 6 to12 months remaining on their
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current membership might still feel somewhat overlooked by the
revised policy. Yeah, there's always someone
just outside that cut off. A reader comments succinctly
captures the sentiment, calling the revised approach more
reasonable, but still expressingA fundamental dislike for the
subscription model due to the lack of any resale value for the
hardware. That's the core issue with
subscription hardware, isn't it?You never really own it.
(29:17):
Pretty much. Finally, let's discuss the new
Garmin Forerunner 970. This appears to be a very
significant upgrade compared to the already impressive
Forerunner 965. Yeah, the 970 looks like a
beast. It's priced at $750, available
very soon. The hardware and design have
undergone some notable evolutions.
OK, what's change? It features a new user interface
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that aligns with the look and feel of the Phoenix 8 series.
It incorporates Garmin's on demand ECG.
App ECG comes to the Forerunner line finally.
Yep, promises more accurate tracking of exercise activities.
Includes a skin temperature sensor and other metric popping
up more. Seeing that everywhere now.
A built in LED flashlight which can be surprisingly useful.
(30:00):
Actually, yeah, very handy. A durable sapphire crystal lens
for the display. Interestingly, while the overall
size is slightly thinner, it's also a bit heavier than the 965.
Thinner but heavier. And it now includes a built in
speaker and microphone. The display size is also
fractionally smaller. Speaker and mic so calls on the
rest. Exactly.
(30:20):
The battery life sees a mix of changes depending on how you use
it. It's reported to be slightly
shorter in standard smartwatch mode and when using GPS on its
own. Shorter.
That's surprising. But it offers longer battery
life when using Garmin Sat EQ mode, which intelligently
selects the best GPS mode and inmultiband GNSS mode, especially
(30:40):
when you're also listening to music.
OK, so better in the power hungry modes.
Seems like it. Garmin has also introduced
customizable battery profiles, giving you more control over
power management. Good.
And the new smart features you mentioned calls.
Right, significant additions here.
Ability to make and receive phone calls, send text messages
using your voice when paired with a smartphone.
(31:02):
Via the phone connection, right?Not LTE itself.
Correct relies on the phone. It also includes AVIRB remote
function for controlling Garmin's action cameras, support
for Bluetooth phone calling and voice assistance, and even voice
commands for interacting with a watch.
Lots more smarts then. Definitely on the health and
Wellness front, the 4 Runner 970adds skin temperature tracking,
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further enhancements to the ovulation estimate, features for
Women's Health and a new eveningreport that summarises your
day's activity and sleep. OK, rounding out the health
picture. For workouts and training plans,
it now includes direct support for Garmin's triathlon coach and
the ability to create and followmulti sport structured workouts.
Useful for triathletes. Very There are also several new
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exclusive activity profiles and some interesting additions to
running features. Although some of these advanced
metrics like that step speed loss and running economy do
require the new HRM 600 chest strap we discussed earlier.
Tying it back to the new strap makes sense.
Other new features include dynamic round trip routing,
which can now be adjusted mid activity auto lap triggered by
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timing gates useful for track workouts, and a suggested finish
line time prediction for races. Some nice software tweaks.
Yeah, surprisingly, at least fornow, there are no new features
locked behind Garments Connect Plus subscription service.
Oh, that is surprising. Maybe they're holding back for
now. Could be the 5K runners take out
highlights, the significant additions and hardware speaker,
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teramic flashlight, sapphire lens, new health metrics like
skin temp and ECG, and various software enhancements.
They note the mixed battery lifecompared to the 965 and suggest
that for some users, the 970 could be a more capable and
potentially lighter alternative to the Phoenix 8.
Lighter than a Phoenix 8. Interesting angle, yeah.
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The reader comments on the 5K runners analysis show a lot of
comparisons to the Phoenix series, some questioning the
overall value proposition of the970 right.
Is it worth the price jump? And even suggesting that there's
now less compelling reason to purchase a Phoenix 8.
Cannibalising their own market. Potentially there are also
comments on the watches design, concerns about battery life in
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certain scenarios, anticipation for a potential LTE enabled
variant in the future. People always want LTE.
Always some users are comparing it to the Epics Pro series,
which has a similar AMOLED display, and there are questions
about the accuracy of its strength tram tracking features.
Strength tracking is always tricky for watches.
It really is. Finally, we have the revamped
Huawei Watch Fit 4 Pro. It's interesting to see Huawei
(33:34):
offering features reminiscent ofthe high end Apple Watch Ultra
2. Like offline maps and diving.
Exactly. Offline maps for trail running.
Significant diving capabilities but at a much more accessible
price point of £249.99. That's a big price difference.
It certainly seems to pack a lotof functionality for the money.
It does. It boasts a premium build
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titanium alloy case, sapphire glass display, aerospace created
aluminium bits. Titanium and sapphire at that
price, wow. Yeah, a bright 1.82 inch AMOLED
screen and it remains very lightweight.
Key features include an upgradeddual frequency GNSS for more
accurate positioning, full colour offline maps for
navigation. Offline maps are huge.
(34:16):
The ability to import routes from commute waypoint guidance,
A backtracking feature to help you retrace your steps and built
in barometric altimeter. Got the key navigation sensors.
It also offers dedicated sports tracking modes for trail running
with topo maps, golf with preloaded course maps and swing
analysis. Free diving down to 40 metres
with detailed metrics and safetyreminders. 40 metre free diving
(34:38):
OK. And even a mode for
mountaineering. The claimed battery life is U to
10 days, maybe 7 with tyical usage and it fully charges in
just an hour. Fast charging too.
The 5K Runners takeout emphasises the impressive
specifications, especially noting the Titanium, Sapphire
and onboard topo maps at this price point.
Yeah, the materials and maps stand out.
(34:59):
But they do raise valid questions about the real world
usability of the Huawei app and the broader ecosystem.
You know, how well does it all actually work together?
Right, the software experience matters.
And they inquire whether a full in depth review would be of
interest to their audience. Read your comments on their
site. Touch on some past limitations
of Huawei's app on iOS devices. Always a concern with
(35:21):
cross-platform compatibility. Questions about its
compatibility with iPhones in the US Given current
restrictions and a request for clarification on its support for
external cycling sensors, particularly power metres, the
initial info might have been unclear there.
OK, power metre support is key for serious cyclists.
Well, that was an incredibly comprehensive look at a week
(35:42):
packed with exciting developments, Sports, health,
Wellness, tech. So much going on.
We covered everything from sleepoptimization, advanced
wearables, the science of supplements, virtual training.
It truly highlights the rapid pace of innovation in this
field. We're seeing a clear trend
towards more integrated health monitoring the continued
evolution of subscription services.
(36:04):
Subscriptions everywhere. And increasing competition
across all segments of the market, which means you know
more choices than ever before for you.
So as you absorb all this information about the latest
advancements, from sleep systemsthat learn your patterns, to
watches that offer in depth physiological data, even
potential early warnings about your health, it really makes you
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think. How do you navigate this ever
evolving landscape? How do you find the tools and
technologies that best support your individual goals and
well-being? What are the key features that
truly resonate with you? And how do you balance that
desire for more data with the need for, well, simplicity and
actionable insights in your own fitness journey?
Those are crucial questions for you to ponder.
(36:46):
Definitely. We highly encourage you to
explore the sources we've discussed today, especially the
detailed analysis available overat the 5K Runners website for
even more in depth information and perspectives.
Thanks so much for joining us for this deep dive.
We hope this is giving you a clearer understanding of the
week's most important news and insights.
We'll catch you next time.
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