Coach Amber Whiting, BYU Basketball (#017)

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Coach Amber Whiting joins Ditto and shares her experience of coaching the BYU Women's Basketball team and the challenges of balancing coaching her daughter, Amari. She discusses the process of transitioning from coaching high school basketball to becoming a D1 head coach and the importance of being true to oneself. Coach Whiting also emphasizes the value of doing the right things the right way and maintaining classiness in both winning and losing. She shares her approach to mental health and resilience, encouraging her players to give themselves grace and learn from their failures. If you enjoyed this episode, leave us a review!

Episode Transcript

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Mental health is huge. I always tell my players, give themselves grace. Like it's okay to make a mistake.

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It's okay to learn from things. It's okay to have a bad day.
On the flip side, I got to have them be a little bit more mentally tough.
If we only practice when we feel good, we're not going to ever practice.
They have to know and they have to find the balance of yeah, I'm hurting today,
but basketball can be my release for this.
I have check-ins with them.
I use a buddy system so they have a teammate that, you know, I'm going to go check on Matt today.

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And I love the buddy system. We had that in my high school.
We called it Hawk Sisters because we were the Highland Hawks.
One year we had this Hawk Sister. The next year it had to be somewhat different.
This buddy system that you got going is going to be really successful for you guys.
And I've been on many teams throughout my career.
The teams where you have players who genuinely care about each other on and off the court
often are a lot more successful because it's a team sport.

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If the team wins, we all win. If the team loses, we all lose.
But like if you do have a team that comes together and cares about each other and realizes that,
you know, I'm going to be successful if this person's successful.
So I want to make sure they know the plays. I don't want them to feel lost.
I've been on teams before where I feel like it's not been that way.
It's like, oh yeah, they're lost. That means I look better.

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That happens sometimes and unfortunately it's detrimental to the team.
Thank you for joining us. I, you know, Ashley and myself, we were always looking for
individuals that have different perspectives, whether it's basketball specific or leadership

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or life or whatever it might be. And I've known you for a little time now
and loved our interactions together and me interacting with some of your team.
And so of course you came immediately to mind when we were thinking about like,
Oh, who would be exciting and interesting to bring on to the podcast and who would,
you know, would people find them interesting and exciting?

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And so thank you for coming and I'm hoping that the conversation can lend itself to that.
Let me introduce you. Please chime in. I'm reading this off, paraphrasing the website.
Then when I say website, it's BYU's website and a little bit of Wikipedia.
So I'm like going back and forth. So fill me in where there are gaps.
Got it. I know. Ready? Here we go. Okay. So coach Amber Whiting, she is as,

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as Ashley mentioned, the women's BYU Brigham Young University head basketball coach.
And this is where Ashley and I have a question coach. You were hired in 2022.
So this means you're going into your third season, third season. Okay. We were right. Ashley.
Yes, we can do math.

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That's what we were guessing. I know we're like, okay, so it's 22. We just weren't certain. Okay.
Prior to that, this is where it's really, really interesting to me. And I would love to unpack this
either now or probably here in the, in the conversation.
She was a high school basketball coach in Idaho, nonetheless, Burley, Idaho, great big Burley.
How many people live in Burley? I don't actually know.

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1200 maybe. We have a couple of stoplights.
A few stoplights. Yeah. Yeah. The biggest, I think the nearest biggest town is Idaho falls or
Rexburg or Twin Falls. Okay. Yeah. Awesome. And you were there for three seasons, four seasons.
Four. Yep. Four seasons. Okay. In Burley. You're from Ogden. So you are a Utah native.

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Yes. Right. Not a Utah. Yes. You played at Snow College. You played at Weber and you played at
Weber and you played at BYU. Yep. Awesome. What was your favorite place of all three?
I'm just kidding. Okay. Good answer. And then kind of lastly, and most importantly, maybe in my

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opinion, you are a spouse and a mother of two. And I'm gonna get these names right. Amari,
who plays for you and she's going into her sophomore season. Sophomore season. Yep.
Sophomore season. And then Jace, right? Yep. Who plays at Boise State. He's still at Boise
State. Is there a TD graduate? He's at UNLV. Oh, he transferred. Yes, he did. Wow. Awesome. Wow.

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UNLV is a great program. Good for him. Good program. Work really excited. Yeah. And he's what year?
What is Jace? He's going to be a junior. Okay. So how close in age? They're three years apart,
but he went on a mission. Oh yeah. So when they kind of compacted together a little bit.
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I had the opportunity. So for those wondering, like, how do you know Coach

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Whiting? I had a very short stint working at BYU. Being a Utah guy, it was really weird putting on
blue. Coach Whiting really helped transition that for me. Like, Hey, it's okay. This is a great color.
And I was able to, again, for a short period, work with her wonderful team and interact with some of

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you and your staff. That was in 2023, mostly through the summer. And part of that was interacting
with your daughter and getting to know some of the, again, wonderful young women and staff members
that you have there at BYU. I want to ask you, I don't think I've ever asked you this.

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What's it like coaching your daughter? And nonetheless, for those that don't know,
one of, if not the best player on the team or a very, very good player on the team. So what's it
like trying to figure out that dynamic? Balance. Well, I've coached her her whole life. So for me,
it didn't really change a whole lot. I know like buttons to push. Like I know when she's coasting,

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I know how to piss her off to get her going. Like I just know those things. And sometimes outside
people, it comes off like maybe I'm too harsh. Maybe I'm, you know, I mean, like, I don't know,
no word, I would call myself. But on the flip side, like I know what's in there and I know what her
goals are. And so I have to push her to that. So for me, it's, I've never, that's always been like

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her whole life. That's what we've done. And so there's a lot of things where we try and draw a
line. Like I don't let her call me mom in practice or anywhere. Like when we're in the mix, we're
in the mix. It's Amber coach, just like every other player. But she learned that like kind of a hard
lesson in her freshman year of high school. She came to practice and, you know, said she had some

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sore, I don't know, something on her head and she said something about the trainer. She knew we had
taped and then she said, mom, and I kind of flipped on her and I was like, what did you call me? And
she said, mom again, I said, hit the track. And so all the seniors, juniors, everybody kind of
turned around and she ran the rest of practice. And I wouldn't, I mean, that's just, you know, she knew
better. And so like, I just, that's how we've always handled it. And so we try and put it in a box.

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And then a lot of times at the end of the season, there are repairs that we have to do within our
relationship. Right. But we try and like have those little times outside, like we'll go get our nails
done or something every other week together. And we don't talk any basketball, right. Or I, I wasn't
very good last year on film wise. I, you know, I would, if she's there coming over for Sunday

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dinner, she moved out so that she could have the college experience. But, you know, if she came over
for Sunday dinner, whatever, I was like, pulling up the film, we're going to do this. And like,
it became not so good. And so my husband was like, look, you don't call any other player home. You
don't go to any other player's house on Sunday. So you're not going to do that here. And so my
husband's really good at like, okay, that's the line. Don't cross it. You know, and so he kind of

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keeps that balance for us. But we try and just like, I don't know, like package it, you know,
the mom thing goes up on top of the shelf. It doesn't happen. So yeah. And she won't,
she won't tell me things that are going on within the team. Like she's just, she wants to trust over
teammates, which I've been blindsided by a couple of things. And, you know, I could have gotten mad

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at her, but I understand, you know, she's, that's, that's her thing too. And so she wants to be,
I can't have it both ways. And so, yeah. So it's an, it's an evolution. You're, you're learning on
the daily, on the monthly, what works and what doesn't, I don't think there's a perfect equation
for something like that. I'm imagining it's, it's difficult, but there's also some beautifully

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unique things about that as well. I think, um, correct me if I'm wrong. Is she allowed to call
you mom? Is she allowed to call you mom at home? Or is it like during season, like no mom at all?
It's funny because we'll be out at work or at home, right? And she'll call me Amber or at,
you know, somewhere as you'll call me Amber and people think that's so disrespectful.

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Actually that's for me, it's better. You know what I mean? Like, and so she does call me mom at home,
but it's so it's more Amber, some, a lot more. That makes sense. Yeah, that's really cool. I
feel like you guys have it, like you're doing a really good job at that. I feel like that could be
pretty difficult for people, but it sounds like, like from my perspective, I feel like I'm probably

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closer to your daughter's perspective of wanting to keep the trust of the team. I feel like I did
that with my husband as well. Like, well, like he'll see that our like team group chat is like
kind of like buzzing and he'd be like, what are you, what's going on? I'm like, sorry, I can't tell you.
Or like it's something I don't want to talk to you about just because like keeping that respect
of your teammates is huge. Um, so that's really cool that, that you guys have that relationship

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and that she also has the awareness to like keep that as well. Yeah. And if you know her, like
she, when she loves hard, she's just like, she's loyal to it. Is that you know what I mean? Yeah,
for sure. Like she'll go to bat for them. She'll stand up for them, like even fight me on something,
if that's the case. Right. And so that's so, and I just, I love that about her. So I'm like,

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I never want to take that away, you know? That's cool. She was maybe committed or recruited heavily,
obviously by a lot of colleges, but was at least contemplating going somewhere else. And then what
swayed her to go to BYU and to follow you and to follow, to follow Oregon, to Kelly grades.

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That's right. That's right. Um, when I got the job here, she committed before junior year,
cause she was just done with the recruiting process. She'd taken, she narrowed it down to her
top six, taken all our visits. She was just like, there's, I've in recruiting, every kid has their
own journey. Right. And so some kids want to drag it out and go to every single thing and decide very

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last minute before they sign in their senior year. Other kids just want to get it done. Like,
she was just that kid. She just knew where she wanted to do, get it done. And so she, uh,
committed to Kelly, played her whole junior year. Um, she did great. And then the job opened up her
spring of her junior year. And so I just talked to her and I was like, this is, you know, Trent and

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I had talked first, but talked as a family and this was like one of my dreams I wanted to do.
You know, I want to throw my name in the hat, but we also weren't naive enough to understand
that this is going to be a family affair. Like Jason's come home from his mission. He was out on
his mission at the time, but he's coming home, going to Boise state and where he would be going
to Oregon. I would be coming down here. And so it wouldn't be like we would be together very much.

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And we're very close family. So we all actually, uh, just, I asked my family to fast and pray about
it individually. Cause it's never like, Oh, I got my answer. So everybody has to go along. You know
what I mean? So everybody kind of had to have their own thing. And so when I got the job,
I went out recruiting and I didn't go watch her because I'm not recruiting her. Does that make

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sense? And so I was out watching other people, but as soon as I got the job, I did call her
and I was like, Hey, you know, and my kids, she downstairs when you called her. No, I got the job.
My kids were home. And so I had to face time with both of them because Trent was with me
and told them. And so like, then they came down and we were headed out to our last tournament,

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but I, you know, called her back that night and I, Hey, I just want to offer you, make sure you know.
And she's like, what are you doing? Cause we decided this was my thing and my dream and that
was hers. And so I said, well, I'm not going to be true to myself unless I do that. You know? And so
anyway, went out recruiting, didn't go watch her cause that's not, I wasn't recruiting her. And so

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she came home from the first time and she was for the first live period. And she's like, wait,
are you never going to see me play again? And I was like, well, these were a big girl decisions.
Like, yeah. Like she's like, well, is dad going to be there? And I was like,
he will probably split between me, you and Jace of the colleges. Like, so you'll probably get,
you know, maybe a third of him. And then she goes like, I could see that will turning, right? But

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she's like me a lot of the time where if I try and make her do something, it won't work. So she'll
come out swinging. So she needs the autonomy. Yeah. I just let her do her thing. And so she said to me,
she's like, well, do you think I can fast and pray about it again? I was like, of course, like I'm
all down for it. You know what I mean? Like I was, and Kelly, me and Kelly had talked out on the road.
Kelly Graves and we, he just had been like, you know, is she, is she really going to stay true

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and come? Like he was questioning it. You know what I mean? He's like, your daughter won't go with
you. Like he was just, you know, like as of right now, no, this is what she's doing. And so then
when we got home on weekends, she just, you know, after all was said and done, summer was over,
she just, cause him and I sat on her last tournament together and had a lot of conversations.
And she just came home and said, you know, I think I want to come to BYU. And I was like,

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I was ecstatic, obviously, but I said, you know, she had to call Kelly and tell him and he was
really, really good. He was like, I always knew you were going to go with your mom, like loyalty
and families above all others. And so it was a good thing. So,
Wow. Amazing story. I've never heard that story. Wonderful to hear. I love it. Okay. So pulling on

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this string of Idaho and you coaching in high school, correct me if I'm wrong, but the
the, correct me if I'm wrong, but there's not a lot of D one coaches that jumped from high school
straight to the head coach position. So what made you able to do that? What was that experience like?

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And yeah, unpack that for me. Honestly, applying like you get in your head, like this is your dream,
right? To coach at the D one level. But for me and how my life had unfolded,
after I got done playing and graduated, my husband had a job overseas playing professionally.
So he was in Italy for 12 years. And so my kids were born, I homeschooled them and then they played

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on various little, they call mini basket teams over there and kind of traveled around and did stuff.
But I just loved watching Trent's, his coaches, and I loved watching the strategy. I love like,
I mean, he would watch film every night, I'd watch it with him, like, not that I was like,
not that I was like, trying to cope, but I was just like, it was, you know, like, I couldn't get

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enough of it. You come home with those playbooks and I was just like looking at them. I mean,
it was really cool for me to see that side of things. And then we started a basketball club
called Hard Knocks on when Jace was like second, third grade, and that's what they were playing
the summers. So I actually managed that we had 23 teams by the time I got the job and I had to quit.

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But and then I coached two coming up through one of them was Emma's team, the older team in
McAlbert and then the other one was Amari. And so they were a little bit apart, but then Amari would
play on the older teams too. And so I got to bring those girls through. And so I just, I just love
coaching. Like that was one of the major things for me. And then I was coaching with Natalie

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Williams on the Diva circuit and she's the ace's GM right now. And so when the job opened up,
she had actually just got the ace's job. And so she left her club to me. So I was running the Diva
circuit club. It was NWBA, Natalie Williams basketball Academy at that point in time. So
that's why I was running. And so, I mean, I was dealing with college coaches all the time, right?

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And you have to, there's rules and there's life periods and all the things that you're dealing
with. So you're dealing with it anyway, as far as the rules and compliance and all that goes,
you know, so I was familiar with that. And then the recruiting process of both my kids. And then
and then when the job opened up, like, obviously I, you know, it's a dream. So I, you know, threw
my name in there and never not once thinking that they would actually pick me. Like I'm just gonna

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throw that out there. Like, you don't, you just don't think they do, you know, like you have all
these hopes and dreams and what you're going to do, but you don't think they do. And so
every interview I had, I just remember going into it before, just saying, you know, I have to be
myself. I have to be myself a hundred percent, because if they hire me, they have to hire me
for who I am, not who they think they're getting. Does that make sense? So little by little, like

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I went through, I did like Brian and Tom's interview and then I went to vice president working
and then president were then, and then it was like, and when I got to him, it was a little bit like,
whoa, this is real. Like I was kind of like, now I'm going down the line. You know what I mean? And
I didn't understand at the time, but they kind of whittle it every single time. Right. So after

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president were then interview, they called me and they said, Hey, we need you down. And then salt
lake, I was going to meet with elder Holland. And it was on the day, Jace was coming home from his
mission. And I just, I just remember thinking your kid comes home once, like you get that feeling
once. Right. And I was just like, I can't be there. I'm sorry. And the lady was like, what? And I was

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like, and I kind of explained it. She's like, I'll have to call you back. And I was like, okay.
And I just remember getting on the phone and my heart sunk, like, no, you know, just, but then
she called me back and she said he could do it the next day. And I was like, all right. So we went,
did the missionary thing and boy, see, he came home off his mission and then got him home,
got him settled. And then the next morning Trent and I drove down cause they wanted him in my

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interview too, um, in president Holland's office. And so like when I walked in, he had a picture on
his desk. Cause I could see across his desk of us in the airport the day before. And it's full on
like written, like right up his right there. Like, like I almost like he had like private
investigators. Yeah. He's watching you. And I just remember thinking this man is going to

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feed through my soul. Like you just get this little bit of like, am I good enough? Like panic
mode. Right. And so I sat down in his office and he broke the ice so quick. He was like,
why is your daughter going to Oregon? Like just like that mean, and I was like, I was like,
she prayed about it. He's like, have a pray again. Like so serious. And so it just made us laugh and

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it kind of broke the ice. You know what I mean? And then just the interview out throughout the,
we just sat and interviewed with him and I just remember thinking like, like this, he just,
I had a lot of like, like really sweet tender mercies going through the time. But that point
in his office, he just gave me some really good advice that I've tried to live by, just do the
right things the right way. And so in this job, like you have choices to make all the time. And

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that's always like in my mind, like do the right things the right way. Like I always have to
operate in that manner. Cause then I know I'll be staying true to what I was told to do. Does that
make sense? Anyway, so then I left or I went to leave and I asked him if I could have a hug
because that will never happen again. Yeah, that was a fun time. And then when I walked out, like

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I just remember turning to Trent and being like, like I just, if I don't get this, like I'm going to
die. You know what I mean? I just wanted it so bad and you just have that feeling. And then
they called me down to come down to Provo. So we drove down and I just remember thinking,
be classy, be classy. Like when classy lose classy. That's what I always tell my girls, right? So

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you know, if you get told no, just be classy. And then they told me yes. And I just jumped up and
down and screaming and hugging and crying all at the same time. And so yeah, that was it.
That is such a cool story. Thanks for sharing that with us.
Yeah. Wow.
It's a lot too when people say, oh, you just went from high school, like that whole first year,

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I took hits. Oh, I bet. I had to get off social media. I did everything because it was coming.
It was coming hard. Yeah. My son kind of got into it with the guy on Twitter and I said,
nope, everybody's off. We are off. We are not engaging. And then after the first year, like
everybody can say what they want to say about me, but I've no longer just a high school coach.

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I've done it for a year. Now I'm here. Here we go. Right. Love it.
That's so cool. Wow. Yeah, there's a lot in there.
You can fire all the questions you want. I know. Ashley, you go. I know you have like
50 pending. I don't know. I'm just like super inspired by your story, especially

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as someone like I feel like coaching to some degrees in my future. I have my C license.
I've been coaching like soccer camps since I was like in middle school to like just like my parents.
They said if I wanted to go to the BYU soccer summer camps, that was like our trip of the year.
Like my sister and I had to pay for half of it. And so, yeah. So I like my sister and I were like,

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let's start teaching kids how to play soccer. Let's do our own soccer camps. And so I kind of
feel like I can relate to you a little bit. I'm obviously not on your level of like starting a
whole club. But like I've kind of been hustling in like the coaching space for a while. But then
obviously like playing being an athlete is number one for me. But just to hear your story about how

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you like you said from an outsider's perspective, all the haters are going to say, oh, she's just a
high school coach. But then you show up and you're like, no, I'm I'm a coach. And I'm going to like
help my players be successful. And I think something that makes a coach a really good coach
is like saying the things be classy, win classy, lose classy. Like those are the lessons. Like

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that's the gold that I feel like your players will take with them off off the court, you know,
into life. And like, that's I feel like what a real coach is about. And or like even like the
lesson that Elder Hallen told you that you stick by do the right things in the right way. Like,
I don't know, I'm just like super pumped and motivated by your story. So like, okay,

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maybe that's something I can do in the future. Like, maybe I can because I feel like a lot of
people like, oh, she was just a player, like, can players really go from being a good player to a
good coach? And it's something that's kind of intimidating for me. But like, it's also very
inspiring, because I feel like coaches really do have the power to change the world through
their athletes. And so just like hearing your story just really got me pumped up. I don't really have

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a specific question for you right now. I was just like super motivated. That's really cool. So thanks
for sharing. I know, I know. Hey, I do have a lot of questions to ask. One, BYU is unique.
We've we've alluded to this. I didn't go there, but I experienced some of it again,

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and working and being around you and some of the other teams that are at BYU. Man, it's an amazing
institution. But again, some unique challenges. So touch on some of those and not only being
a woman leader in this space, which I think is a challenge in and of itself, even if you're at

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Alabama or Tennessee or BYU or Utah, but then doing it at a place like BYU. What are some of
these unique challenges that you've experienced over the course of these last two years, two and
a half years? How have you navigated them? What have you learned? I know that was a lot. So let
me rephrase if you need me to know, I think BYU is unique and special. And I feel like

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the kids that I recruit have to fit that. Like, I don't know if that makes sense. So basically,
I know the honor code is the thing. Right. So when I first started recruiting a recruit,
whether it's out of the portal or a kid from high school, I just hit the honor code straight on.
That's the first conversation I have with them. Because if they can't and I ask them, I explain

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it to them. And then I ask them point blank, can you think you can live by this? And then if they
say, I've had kids say, no, coach, I like to party. Right. And that's normally kids outside the
portal, like in the portal. And I'm like, cool, you know what, let's not go down this road. Right.
But then parents of high school kids, more or less on some portal kids love to hear what BYU has and

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is, and that we want to live by that. Like, it's just not something we want to say, but it's
actually something that we want to live by. Right. And I feel like it's a competitive advantage.
Because as an athlete, you don't want to be putting that crap in your body. Right. First of all,
secondly, if you're out partying and doing other things that aren't outside, that's just
distractions. That's all it is. And so whether coaches, like I know Dawn Staley, she has a dry

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season. That's cut and dry. You know what I mean? And so why, I mean, it's what we are, it's who we
are. And it makes this place, like my girls go out and have fun for the right reasons. And they have
fun doing it in a clean, wholesome manner. And that can be fun, right? It can be good. And so
I just lean into it. I just embrace it, lean into it. I don't try to hide it. I don't try to say,

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oh, well, you can go hide on the weekends to do so as clients eat. No, this is who we are.
This is what we do. And this is what we live by. And so if I just hit it head on like that, like I
try and teach them, like, I mean, these women are, it's more or less like when you're talking about
being a coach, like you don't remember the wins and losses. You don't, you remember the relationships.

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You remember your coaches. You remember what you, what you learned while you were there. So if I can
make them better people, better women to go out and influence the world in a better manner, then
I'm doing my job, you know, beautifully said. No, I love it. You also coach, have a shirt there. If
people can't see what you're wearing that says female coach, but female has a line through it.

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Why that shirt? It's very interesting. I don't know. It just is a shirt that was on,
when was it? Judged by achievement, not by gender. Where did I pick this up at?
Shoot. It was some boutique somewhere, maybe at the Final Four, I think. And so just, I want to
embrace my women for who they are. And they all know that about me. I have women from different

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religious backgrounds. And that's another farce that I tried to spell at BYU because people think
that you can only come here or label the member. Right. And so I believe that I draw strength from
all of my women, whether they're Muslim, whether they're Catholic, whether, you know, whatever,
from diversity background or not. And so I think that we all have strength in that manner, can build

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off each other and learn from each other. And so I embrace them for who they are and I recruit them
for who they are, not to change them in any way, shape or form. I want to better them, right? But
I don't want to change who they are. And so that's just, I don't know, kind of who I am and what I
stand by. Yeah. I think that's really important for a lot of people to recognize about BYU and now

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you specifically. Yes, it's owned and operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,
but I don't think a lot of people realize how diverse that university, and especially the
sporting environment actually is. It's, I think it goes without saying that all are welcome,
as long as you, like you were mentioning, are willing to, you know, abide by the rules and the

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regulations that are in place at this institution. But that's something I love about your team and
about the institution itself is it really is very welcoming and strengthens whatever it is that you
believe in, whether it's Christian or LDS related or not, right? And it's something that I've noticed

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from afar. So thanks for embodying that. I appreciate it. Yeah, that's really cool.
No, I just wanted to chime in on what you were saying about your recruiting process and getting
players, you know, to come to BYU and just being like upfront and honest about, hey, look, this is
the honor code. I love that approach. I think it's really smart. And I also think it's you're

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helping your players, you're setting them up for success. I feel like being honest and upfront and
you're like, hey, this is what you're going to get at BYU. You're either going to thrive this way or
you're not. And I think that also is a great foot to start on when you're recruiting your players
because you have that open and honest communication. They're coming in and they are knowing exactly what

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they're getting into. When I played at BYU, I was a part of a team where everyone was a member of a
church. And that also had, it was a really unique situation for me because I've never been on a team
where every single person was a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But
being within like the sport community at BYU, it was really fun to have conversations with other

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athletes who were not quote unquote members, but were of another faith or weren't religious at all.
But we usually had this common ground of like, we like to live our lives this way. And usually it
was because of the honor code. And like you said, if you're an athlete that's serious about your
craft, whatever it is, like you're going to want to take care of your body and your mind. And like,

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these are the things that are going to set you up for success. And so I really hate this like
perception from mostly from people who don't understand. When I tell them I went to BYU,
it's like, oh, you weren't allowed to do anything. And it's like, I hate that. It's like, no, actually,
the way I lived my life allowed me to do so much more. And it's just the way that, you know,

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people perceive it and the way that you take it. So it sounds like you're doing a great job with
your recruits and being open and honest with them. And it sounds like it's paying off by the girls
that you are getting to come play for your team, which is really cool. Well, don't you hate the,
and I love that the church made it like they call it religiously diverse now, instead of calling it

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members and non-members, because think about how inclusive or excluding that is, right?
I mean, I have people who even applying for my assistant job, they didn't think that they could
work here because they weren't LDS. And so like, that's a huge perception, right? And we are all
inviting all welcoming. And so like, I think three, no, two of the four transfers I got were

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not they were religiously diverse, they weren't members, right? So like, but even those two girls,
those two women have taught my own team right now, so much even about, they're just good people,
good people. So when I say that's who I have to recruit here, like, I just have to recruit good
kids. And if they can live and abide by who, you know, then it's just going to strengthen, I have a,

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she turned pro, but my little girl from Spain, Marina, she would pray for us in Spanish. And
she was Catholic, right? But every time she said a prayer, like I got chills, didn't know what she
was saying, but I could feel, you know what I mean? And so I just, I want them to feel that here.
And then when they leave, hopefully they can become a better person because of that, you know

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what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I was talking to a friend the other day who's, I think agnostic and she said,
there's a lot of ways to be a good person in relation to religion and sexual orientation
and whatever it might be. And so to have that inclusivity, I think is inspiring and important.
And especially for these young women coming into this, it's, it's such a pivotal influential

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period of their lives. And if they can leave with this diverse perspective, knowing that there are
many wonderful human beings in this world, Christian or not, I think is really, really important.
Okay. I'm going to pivot with the question that I want to tug on recruiting. Okay. And NIL. So when

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I was with you for the short period, I was, I was amazed at how much you had to do that wasn't coaching
how recruiting this and NIL this and putting out this fire and putting out this fire and doing this
with staff. And then it was like, then we can do some X's and O's and actually do some coaching.

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What's that like having to spearhead a program at this level? And I mean, was it, was your perspective
change coming into this? I mean, did you think it was going to be 90 10 with 90 coaching and 10
putting out fires and how was that flipped? What does that experience been like? I thought it would
be 90% of the basketball and 10% all the other stuff. But that quickly, I quickly learned that

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that's flipped. Right. But I feel like my staff, if I put, I want to put the best, the best around me.
Right. And so like, as I've done that, like Lee's taken on offense this summer and he's running with
it. And I love to just like walk into our staff meeting and Lisa, he'll say, coach, I'm work on
X, Y, and Z. And I'm like, I love it. Let's go. You know what I mean? Or we bounce back and forth.

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Like, what do you think about this? You know, and we can talk hoops, but at the end of the day,
he's going to instill it. He's going to know what we're doing. You know, like he's going to own that.
And I just love, and then it just, it just, it takes a little bit off my shoulders, not think
that, you know, trying to overthink everything. Delegation. Yeah. And so I've, that's, if you're
talking about like coming into this job, my main challenge, I think, as far as like, what I didn't

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know would be a challenge was the delegation part. Cause if you think about it in high school,
you do your scout, you mop the floors, get the balls there, you do everything. Right. And so
managing the amounts of people that I have, right. And getting everybody on the same boat,
like boat rowing the same direction. That's probably like my biggest like challenge in of itself.

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Cause you have assistant coaches, you have, you know, SIDs, player development, film, dobo,
executive assistant managers, guy squad, like strength and conditioning. Like there's just a lot,
you know? And so when I say a whole staff meeting, I want everybody in the room because these people
all are dealing with our women, you know? And then we have our, our staff being, that's just,

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just the coaches. And then, so it's just, there's that part for me, I wasn't prepared for.
And I'm learning to like balance it, if that makes sense. Like, you know, like I don't always have to
be on the radio. It can be an assistant coach can rotate through and take things on the radio,
you know, like after game interviews, so I can go be with the team. Just, and to kind of like

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delegate more in that, in that manner. So. Well, and it speaks to your point earlier of
taking your time when you're hiring somebody like, like an assistant coach, you need to make sure
that you're able to, with full trust, you know, rely upon that delegation so that they can do a
good job. I think every single person on my staff is unbelievably unselfish, right? So they just give

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like everybody lifts where they stand, but then they help everybody else in what they see needs.
And I just like, I love the, I love being in here with them. And I got my master's in PLCs,
professional learning communities. And it's basically like, the strength is togetherness.
The strength is not an individual me like dictating to everybody, right? And so just every,

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everybody buys in, everybody brings their ideas to the table. Best idea wins. So it's not,
it's not just a, you know, you, you like pointing fingers, do this, do this, do this. It's, hey,
coach, what do you think about this? Everybody has ideas. Nope, let's do this. And then we all
jump on board and we go with it. And so it's not like a individual thing. It's more collective.
And that has to be how it is up here in the offices, because then it goes down to the players. And

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that's how it has to, you know, translate. It's not only you trusting your staff, but your staff have
to trust each other, each other. Yeah. Right. Like everyone has to have some form of trust in what
the strength coach is saying and the head athletic trader and saying, and the assistant coach is
saying, et cetera. And I think that's, that's imperative with that holistic development in

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mind coach, what role do you see or what role have you seen mental health, mental performance
playing with you, you and your team? We've had a lot of challenges that I, that are outside of
basketball, you know, I mean, players or things like that or families or whatnot. And so mental

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health is huge. I feel like we don't take enough time. I don't know. I feel like a lot can be like
technology, maybe like the, you know, women are the player athletes that, you know, everything's
perfect on social media or whatever. Right. So they have to be that. And so just taking that out.
But I try and, I always tell my players, give themselves grace, like it's okay to make a mistake.

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It's okay to learn from things. It's okay to have a bad day. Right. But on the flip side, I gotta
have them be a little bit more mentally tough. Like if we only practice when we feel good, we're not
going to ever practice like that. You know what I mean? And so just like they have to know, and they
have to find the balance of, you know, yeah, I'm hurting today or yeah, this happened in my life,

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but basketball can be my release for this, you know, I try and give them a mental health day a
year. I used to do three, but I felt like I started to get to be taken advantage of a little bit, but
no questions asked. So they can wake up that morning and text me or, you know, whatever happened
in their life, no questions asked, but they need to go see either our mental health guy or our psych

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guy so that they can, you know, work through the problem. Cause that problem is still going to be
there the next day. It's not just going to damage cause you took a mental health day. Right. And so
I want them to have that. So they kind of have a release. Like I don't have, you know, I don't have
to, and they can't even on game day, they can't use it the day before a game. That seems fair.

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Yeah. Because I have to be prepared for the day where I'm going to be that day. But just like,
but it's telling that. And then like, I have check-ins with them, you know, I mean that I
kind of try and do throughout the year. I know my assistant coaches are so good at checking in with
the players randomly. I use a buddy system so they have a teammate that, you know, I'm going to go

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check on Matt today or, you know, you know, when you walk in, you can see I have a really,
I have some girls that are really perceptive though. Like I walked in one day and you know,
she walked up to me and gave me hugs. She could see it all over my face. I was having a rough one
and I just was like, no, I can't, I don't want them to ever see this, you know, but it was good for her

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to see that I, you know, I have days too and I'm here, I'm in the grind and we're going together.
You know, that doesn't, that doesn't negate that. And so I just, so I've kind of tried to do those
things and those are all my ideas. Like I've picked brains with other college coaches. Like how do you
do this? You know, what do you do for this? You know, just to get it gives and takes so that I can

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try and help make my program the best. I love the buddy system. I didn't think of that, especially
in such high level sport like this where the, and especially I'm thinking of freshmen that are coming
into this new, really high pressure environment. What an advantageous, you know, concept like this
is your person, make sure they're okay. And they're going to make sure you're okay with these check-ins.

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I'm curious with your coaching. I'm just starting that this year because I had some freshmen last
year that kind of got, you know what I mean? They didn't really feel valued or seen or heard. And so
I want, I want across the board, just every single athlete or every single woman on my team athlete,
but it's going to, I don't want it to be upperclassmen, lower classmen. Like I don't want to

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have a pecking order. I just want it to be everybody's in this together. You know what I mean?
And I don't want it to be like, oh freshmen, you're carrying bags or like, like they're the crap,
right? Like I want it to be like they're valued, they're seen, they're heard, they have a voice.
And it's just as important as that senior leader as well. And so I've seen a big change in my team.

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I was just going to ask. Yeah.
I've seen a huge change and I'm not putting up with yelling at them anymore, you know? And so
it can be real, it can be like that when you get, you know, you haven't been here, I've been here.
No, we're all here together. Like we're all in this. So I just, I try and take that, that like
kind of attitude towards it. And then now I'm seeing seniors putting their arm around, hey,

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come here, let me through this. Right. Or, I mean, I saw on somebody's story the other day and it was
a, it was an actual senior out with a freshmen having breakfast. Like they didn't have to do that,
but they are doing that together, you know? And so they're just, I just love that they're the
camaraderie there because of that. Which lends itself in theory, so well to success on the court.

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Hopefully. Right. When there's camaraderie off the court, it's in my opinion, eventually it's going to
to benefit or facilitate that, that ultimate success on the court. Yeah. Yeah. I can, I can
definitely attest to that. I've been on many teams throughout my career and the teams where you have
players who genuinely care about each other on and off the court or on and off the pitch

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often are a lot more successful because it's a team sport. Like ultimately at the end of the day,
if the team wins, we all win. If the team loses, we all lose. And I feel like sometimes it can be
hard, especially in sports like basketball and soccer, where you do have certain individuals
who are maybe scoring than others who do get a little bit more of the spotlight than others.

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It can be hard to kind of like balance that. But like if you do have a team that comes together
and cares about each other and realizes that, you know, I'm going to be successful if this person's
successful. So I want to make sure they know the plays. I want to make sure I don't want them to
feel lost. I've been on teams before where I feel like it's not been that way. It's like, oh yeah,
they're lost. That means I look better. That happens sometimes and unfortunately is detrimental

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to the team. So yeah, that that's really important. I love the buddy system. We had that in my high
school. We called it Hawk Sisters because we were the Highland Hawks. And so any every year,
it was different too. So if we had one year, we had this Hawk Sister. The next year, it had to be
someone different, which I feel like allowed us to just like get to know each other and like,

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whoever was my Hawk Sister, like I got to know them really well that year. And it was really fun. So
I think this this buddy system that you got going is going to is going to be really successful for
you guys. And I think I think basketball is really unique because you do have a smaller roster,
smaller team like compared to soccer. So I think you guys can all just get so much closer and you

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can have so many more like meaningful, engaging like conversations with smaller groups. So I think
that's really cool. I'm excited for you guys this year. I mean, and we that we the same like not,
I don't want it to be their weightlifting partner. I don't want it to be somebody that they already
are close with. Right. I want it to be completely different. And so, yeah, I'm just I'm trying to

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hopefully it works. Do you give them autonomy to choose who it is? Or do you choose a forum? Or
how does it work? Curious? Yeah. So you text me like, Hey, so and so here's your buddy. They're
like, Oh, yeah. And just because if I mean, there is trust, right. But I just like I don't want I
don't want it to be like you're already person who you already don't you know, I mean, it's got to be

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something you don't know as well. You know, you know, you can you can kind of see that organically,
you know? Yeah, you have a perspective that they don't have because you're seeing it from a little
bit more zoomed out and you know, all the players, each individually in different ways. So I feel like
it makes sense for you to make the best system. Yeah, you're the head coach, right? Yeah.

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You're the head coach, you can do this, you can say if not. Coach, speaking of that, I tell
coaches all the time, heavy is the head that wears the visor or the crown or whatever you
wear on your head, maybe you don't wear anything. And so yes, it's vitally important that the mental

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health and emotional health and spiritual physical health of your student athletes of your players are
healthy. What about you? How are you as a head coach doing? How is this experience of being the
head person of a D one program taking its toll? What are you learning? What's it been like? I have
a lot more gray hairs. I don't know if you can see them at all. Don't worry. I have it's balance.

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I've learned that like very early on. It's a high stress job, obviously. So how do I handle that
stress, you know? And so that was one of Tom's questions. And I didn't really when he said it
to me, I was kind of like, he's like, what do you do when you're stressed? I was like, I go on walks,
like, I just put my headphones in, I listen like spiritual stuff, and I just go, you know, and he's

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like, that's a good one. That's good. And then I didn't really understand it. Now it's like I walk
every night. But just like having like, making sure my spiritual side taking time for that. It's like,
that's my inner peace. And if I'm right there, like if I'm good on that, then I can handle a lot more,
I feel like. Does that make sense? Spiritual resilience. Your inner peace and your spiritual,

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you're good. Then balls can be thrown, you know, I have one day at a time. Like I and I vent a lot
to my husband. And then he always, yeah, and he's always just like, I just supposed to listen,
right? Yep. Just listen. Don't, don't say anything. And I run every morning. That's another thing.

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And it's just for my mental, like, clarity, I get a lot of like, I don't know how you sit, like,
but a lot of clean, like, not clean thoughts, but like clean, like, oh, this is what I need to do.
Like, it's a very clear, you know what I mean? So I don't, I just like running. Well, there's a whole
bunch of literature that can back up moving the body and how beneficial it is psychologically
and emotionally that that's why physical activity is recommended for everybody. So if you're not

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physically active, go on a walk. Okay. Here's kind of my last question. I love asking this question
to people like yourself. When have you failed? What was that like? And what did you learn as a
result of that experience? A really early lesson that I learned when I was younger. I was a

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sophomore in high school and that's when you could, you, it was only sophomore, junior, seniors. They
didn't take freshmen then at my high school at least. And I was in the state championship game
and I missed the winning shot to win it. And I just remember Gina Butter. She was my coach. She

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played at the U. She's amazing coach, but she just put her arm around me. And I just remember her
telling me that this moment can't define me. And I like, that's a huge lesson that has stayed with
me for like my whole life, right? Like, how am I going to turn around tomorrow? Am I going to walk
back in the gym and work or am I going to go cry all, you know, for months on end that I did that?

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Right. And so I, even today, like, I mean, when we lose, if we lose a game or if we lose something
like that moment doesn't define, that game doesn't define our season, doesn't define our career,
doesn't define anything. Right. And so last year, I actually used this, that actual learning lesson

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with one of my athletes in our very last game. She probably doesn't care that I share it, but
she was heartbroken after the game because she missed a free throw to basically win it for us.
And I mean, she led the country in rebounding. And so you don't like, I mean, you don't get to

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use that moment right there, that little tiny bit to define your whole entire career, your whole
entire everything. Right. And she was devastated and crying. And like, I just picked her up and I
talked to her and I told her that moment can't define you. Like, what are you going to change?
What are you going to learn? The challenges for me, when I look at challenges, there are opportunities
to rise, you know? And so for her, like, how are you going to rise out of this? How are you going

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to teach the next generation? What are you going to learn? What are you going to take away from this?
And so I always tell my girls that, I mean, that there's a few things, but can't let your highs get
too high or your lows get too low. You know what I mean? And so that moment, it could have been a
real, real low and sent her into a tailspin, but no, that doesn't define her. She's so much more
than that one tiny little moment, you know? And so that's a huge one that I try and teach them and

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have them learn from. And heck, I still learn from that every day. You know, like, did I do what was
right? Should I have called that timeout? Should I, you know what I mean? What it could have should
is after every game, but you can't continue to beat yourself up. You got to learn from them,
move on, come back in the next day because it doesn't stop the grind doesn't stop. And so
just go again, coach, you know what I call that? Resiliency. If it's not one of your core,

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if it's not one of your core values, it should be. It's for me, it's adversity plus positive
adaptation. That for me is resiliency. And inevitably you're going to fail and have these
ups and downs, but what are you learning as a result to just get a little bit better? And so

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I think you are wonderfully resilient. So continue to be wonderfully resilient. And I know that will
pay dividends for your team and your staff as well. So thanks for showing that and saying that.
Appreciate it. Ashley, did you have anything else for coach? I mean, I feel like we could sit here
and probably talk for another two hours. I don't want to hold her too long. But I just want to say

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thank you for coming on today. I feel like I learned a lot and also just reminded of a lot of
really important things, especially as a current athlete. I feel like a lot of these lessons I can
apply straight to my life right now in my career. So thank you. Yeah, I just want to wish you and
your team the best of luck, even though you don't need luck, because it sounds like you guys are

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doing all the right things and working really hard. So yeah, just thanks again. Really appreciate it.
I'll definitely be following your team closely this year. It's going to be fun to watch. So
say, yeah, all the best. I would love it. Thank you. You guys. Seriously. Thank you. This is fun.
Yeah, of course. Yeah, no, no, we're a coach. I have one last question. This is the most serious

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question. If you and Trent played one on one right now, your husband, first basket wins,
whoever scores first. Well, no, so I guess you both had enough. Let's say to three.
Who would win if he's smart? He's going to let me.

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I love it. Coach. Thank you so much. We are cheering on the Cougs this upcoming season.
When's your first game? Is it October? It's in November. Go Cougs. Thank you. Yeah,
Matt, that was amazing. Thanks so much for inviting coach Whiting. I feel like I learned so much.
Yeah. Me too. Yeah. Well, I feel very fortunate to have had her on. I mean, I think she's really,

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really good at being a human being while being a D1 coach. She's very transparent,
which I just love. She doesn't really hide much. You know what she's thinking. You know what she's
feeling. And like she mentioned, you know, that's a lesson I think she's had to learn with her girls

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like, Oh, I can't show that I'm emotion or that I have emotion, but she's realized, no, I need to
be human so they can be human and that we can all be the best humans together. So yeah, I hope a lot
of listeners find a lot of interest and, and intrigue and her experiences and what she had
to say for sure. Yeah, she's definitely, you can tell she's just, she is a hundred percent herself.

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Like what you see is what you get. Whatever question you have, I know she's gonna answer it.
Honestly, I think that's what players want the most from coaches. And so I just really respected
that from her. And I feel like I have a little notepad here. I wrote down so many lessons that
I'm like, Oh, I really like that. Like, like I said earlier, like be classy, win classy, lose classy,

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religious, religious diversity. Like that's a new term that I feel like I haven't heard because
probably I haven't been at BYU in a while, but, or the Elder Holland story would do the right things
the right way. Like if you're living your life the way you want to be living it and doing things the
way that you know, you should be doing them, then everything else will fall into place, whatever that

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looks like. And it's kind of just this way to navigate through life. And I feel like that's,
it's cool to hear someone else say that because I feel like that's how I've tried to navigate my
life and my professional career as well. So that was, and not, not only her, but like, especially
a coach at BYU, which stereotypically is very close-minded and they don't know about other

(54:44):
religions and orientations and they aren't welcoming and they're not inviting, but she was the exact
opposite. She is the exact opposite. She's like, no, if you're Muslim, if you're Jew, if you're atheist,
please come. You're, there's a spot for, for all of us here and especially in the athletic department,
which, which I just love for me, the overarching theme is resiliency. I know I mentioned this to
her. It's, there's, you know, obviously I've talked about this before. I love this concept of being

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resilient and training deliberately, you know, resiliency. And I think she really displayed how
important it is to be physically resilient, emotionally, psychologically, and even spiritually
and collectively, you know, cohesively as a team to be, to be resilient. And I think there's just

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so much to gain from that as, as a mother, as a partner, as a soccer player, as a basketball
player, as a CEO, whomever it is that you are and whatever domain you might find yourself in. So
hopefully that message is clear. I feel like, I feel like the BYU women's basketball hand,
basketball team is definitely in good hands with her. I think, especially like you said,

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when it comes to this religious diversity, I think it's really cool to see sports
used to help spread that message. I feel like BYU has done a really good job lately of, I talk to
Liz Dugger a lot, which is one of the assistant athletic directors of, you know, working with
the NCAA and going to these DEI committees and just kind of like figuring out ways to continue

(56:22):
to like learn and grow as a university, but also by still staying true to the standards and the
values of the university because it represents the church. I feel like that can be a very, a very
hard thing to do, but I feel like they do it so gracefully and I feel like sports is a great
avenue to continue to do that. And I think coach Whiting has shown us today, just by the way she

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talks about all of her women and how they have this strength and this unity among their diversity.
And I just love that so much. So they're in really, really good hands. But a question that I have for
you is you got to work with coach Whiting and her team. Is that something that you do, like do you

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do that now, like working with teams? Like is it always sports? Do you work with individuals? Like
can you tell our audience a little bit more about the services that you could provide a team or an
individual and what that looks like and how they could maybe reach out if that's something that
they wanted? Yeah, thank you for asking actually. Yeah, so like I alluded to in the discussion, I had

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the amazing opportunity, very short stint to work with BYU athletics. It wasn't everyone in the
athletic department. When I say everyone, all the teams, all the sports teams, mostly football and
women's basketball and gymnastics in fact. And so that's how I met Amber. That's how I met coach
Whiting and I was able to work with her and her staff and some of her players. It was just amazing

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to be around that team, the women's basketball team in particular, because of how just how
wonderful as human beings they are and how great it was just to get to know them. But yes, I mean,
to answer your question, so mental performance. So I am not as I've hopefully addressed on this
show, maybe I haven't. I'm not a sports psychologist and so I don't work with

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mental illness essentially. I don't diagnose, I don't prognose with ADHD or bipolar disorder
or depression. I'm definitely trained to recognize it and then refer. So that is 100%
my responsibility as a professional. I am a certified mental performance consultant. I have
a PhD in applied sports psychology essentially. And so I work, you know, just as a strength coach

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would, I do that for the mind. And so whether it's attention, whether it's emotional regulation,
whether it's goal setting, whether it's imagery and visualization, motivation, self-confidence,
I mean, these are some of the many things that I usually touch on with with athletes, coaches,
business individuals, medical professionals. I've worked with musicians, which was really

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fun. And so any kind of really performance domain, and I'm not, you know, I don't want to define
that term performance from kind of a singular perspective. If you're really wanting to
accomplish anything, you're performing, whether it's in a relationship or whether it's as an

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athlete who plays for the Washington spirit or whether it's someone who plays college sports.
That's what I help with. And so, yeah, I am, as they say, open for business,
whether it's team, you know, working with the team collectively or one on one, and we sit down
together, whether it's zoom or phone call, or in person, if you're here in the state of Utah, I'm

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all for that. In fact, I mean, just to give you an example, this morning, in fact, I was
working with the high school team, I went and presented to a local high school team here
in and around self confidence, I presented for about 45 minutes. And I presented to their
leadership for every single one of their teams, I think there were 50 student athletes for this

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particular high school. So it can be kind of one off presentations, workshops, if you will, or we can,
you know, from the most efficacious manner, work together and make the same decisions.
And so I'm really excited to be able to work together and make this kind of a process or a program.

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And I would love to explore if I can help you in any way, maybe we're not the right fit.
And maybe we're beautiful fit. So I would love to get on a hop on a phone call or a zoom or
meet you in person explore that if you're interested or willing. I guess the smart thing to do would
be yeah, so you can message the ditto thing. What are they? What are they called?

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Instagram syringe slide into DM, slide into the DM. That's how cool I am. I know that. That phrasing.
Or you can? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Or you can email my work email. So I am a professor
at the University of Utah here in Salt Lake City.
It's I think my information is posted on the web. I'm brand new in terms of full

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time this coming semester and so my my information bio picture and everything
should be posted shortly on the Department of Health and Kinesiology's
website. If not we can put my email in the notes or on the ditto Instagram
social media platforms. It is matthew.more at health.utah.edu if you're

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just wanting to know right off the bat. So anyways, thanks for asking. I
appreciate it. Yeah, yeah thanks for sharing. Really important I think it's
cool that our guests have access to someone if they've never had any access
or interactions with a certified performance coach. So yeah thanks. Thanks

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everyone for listening and tuning in. This was a longer one because I feel like
we had so many great things to talk about but I hope you enjoyed it. If you
did please like, subscribe, share, comment, all the good stuff. Everything. Yes and we look forward to the next episode. I hope everyone has a good day. Bye everybody. Thanks again.