Pushing Limits – Safety, Power & Edge Play in BDSM - The Down and Dirty Podcast

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notes. All right, welcome back to
another episode of the down and dirty.
So it looks like guys, you didn't cancel us, so that's a
good thing. So we we we made it past the
first episode. Miss Dawn, Chuck D let's clap it
up for ourselves. We got that one out the way yes,
yes, but we got some fun stuff for y'all tonight.

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But before we get to that, we dohave a a special guess right now
before we get to that Miss Doll and Chucky D, What did you guys
do this weekend lifestyle wise? I don't hear what fucking pasta
you tried to make and all that. What you ordered on Amazon,
Phil. Well, let's do lifestyle wise.
Let's do fun, not boring vanillapeople shit.
Should I gotta go to my calendarhold please?

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Yeah. Well.
While she's doing that. While she's doing that, I I was
hunting, if you will, for for new dates.
What land were you hunting in? What?
What far off land I? Was waiting for him to say
vanilla hunting. Well, no.
Well, essentially, yeah, sure. No, no, no, it's, it's it's

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that, you know, process of me. I'm in the process of, you know,
looking for my regular, you know, and not just what.
Does that look like for you? Because I remember what one of
your wives I had to talk about. Remember the regular talk?
And she wanted, she wanted ChuckD to go out and find a
girlfriend, right? And so we were standing around
and I said, So what does a girlfriend look like to you?
And she goes, you know, someone he could just, you know, have

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sex with and stuff. I say, you do realize what what
you want entails. Like is he allowed to take her
to the movie? She was like, hell no.
I said to dinner. She said, oh, Oh no.
I said, can she, can he stay thenight at her house?
She said oh, and I said, so you're looking for a prostitute.
He's not allowed to do nothing that you would do with a
girlfriend that is going to be his regular.

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So what does the regular look like to you now?
There it is. Yeah, yeah.
So. What does the regular look like?
What's his regular look like? I mean, I guess, yeah.
What you're looking for? I'm looking for something that I
can get on schedule. My schedule is so busy that I
gotta have a day, maybe 2 days of the month at a particular.
Time. Probably at a particular time.

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I'm being serious at a particular time, and it has to
be. We're trying to help him out
here, OK? Yeah.
So. So if if you're out there
listening and you can meet that schedule once every two weeks at
5:00 on a Thursday, yeah, Yeah. So where were you at?

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You were at? You were in Boise?
Oh, I was this week. I was in Salt Lake City, then in
Boise. Have you?
Done lifestyle stuff there, likehave you look at clubs or any
what the lifestyle scene is likeout in those places?
No, I don't have time for that. I got to work.
I got to pay bills. Me and you be working the same
time, alright? Yeah, I know me.
I know how much you're doing. The problem is, if I were to

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start devoting that kind of timeon my business trips, I have
that addictive personality. I might be spending more time
doing that versus doing my work.So I love my money too much, so
I need to focus on that. So, all right, all right, Miss
Dahl, what did your weekend looklike?
It looked like talking to a whole bunch of new swingers.

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That's what it looked like. New yes recruitment bringing in.
Oh, so you were just on field work.
You, you weren't out in the field.
I mean, you were just like on the computer going.
Yes. No, Not yes.
Not out in the field, no. Got you.
Got you. Well.
You do that shit for free. It's for her own edification.

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What do you mean for free? She's looking for Dick.
Yeah. For free.
I mean, I kind of am, yes, yeah.I mean when you break it down.
When you break it down. When you break it down.
That's got to be exhausting, doesn't it?
You know, sometimes, yes, but the cowboy does a lot of like

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the initiation and then I hop inafter the fact.
The cowboy still like he starts it.
He still likes to get on him. He, he freaking loves it.
He loves the chase. I can tell he still likes the.
Charismatic. Yeah, I'm like you took me.
I can't # the keys. No more.
No, I can't do that. We either meet out or nothing.
Yeah. Are we doing this or what?

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Yeah, I'm done. I'm the keys.
No more emails and fucking demand letters.
None of that. Yeah, You remember that girl
like Minnetonka that went out inthe woods?
Remember that little island? I need someone like that.
Like, are we going to go to the island and fuck off the boat?
Yeah. We doing her and I dated for
like 5 months after that I remember.

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Yeah. I like their style.
I like their fucking style. Was that the one that kept shit
in bed during play or that was adifferent 1?
You know, You know what I'm not.Even talking about, I'm not even
talking about. And it was more.
Kept leaving, kept leaving mystery streaks like we were
like what the. Hell.
It was more than once we was allin here and nobody streaked when

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we came back and you was under the covers.
Yeah, that wasn't her. She was the woods.
Girl, she was wondering why I don't like anal.
She was ready to go. You know what I mean?
You. Don't like anal?
I attract. Anal was involved, I guess.
No anal was involved. I can tell you there was no
anal. Anal involved, she just.
I'm just saying I just. Didn't have control.

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Just couldn't retain it, you know what I mean?
The action was too much. I took it out.
But let me tell you guys what. I had a brown flag, let me tell.
You what I did this weekend, I went to the first ever Eye Candy
Hotel takeover on Sioux Falls. That was that.
You know what, man? I was nervous.
I ain't gonna lie. I was nervous.
It was off the. Fucking chain.

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OK dude. Sioux Falls rocked.
It was a globe party too. Sioux Fall is a lot different
looking Sioux Falls party than 6-7 years ago when it started
out there. But no.
It was, you got to, you got to think about that population down
there, right? A lot of it, hey, a lot of it's
conservative, you know. It took years to get a hotel
down there, yes. A huge, you know, Christian

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value based, you know, populate.They're doing stuff behind
closed doors. Even this one at first turned us
down, you know what I mean? And we was like, you know, we
had some delivery people come out there that had to be shooed
away. But I'm sure it didn't take long
for the word to spread through Sioux Falls, what was happening
down its old hotel. But no, it was a great time,
man. I encourage anyone who's close

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or looking for it. Look, there was a ton of Twin
Cities people there. We are saying a lot of I.
Was going to say from what I heard there was a bunch of
people that had gone down. Ton of Minnesota couple there.
It was a great time. It was worth the rap.
But yeah, that's what I did thistime.
But now the next one, what I'm going back down there in May May
3rd is the next party if anyone is looking for something else

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who falls. I better stay away.
I better stay away. Better.
You better stay away. You got history.
Now hey, how are? You.
Hands free, we'll tell. We'll make him tell you that one
day. That's for another episode.
Oh, OK. Well then today on the down
dirt, now that we've covered allof our excursions we have with

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us Sleepy and he's going to be talking with us today about BDSM
and how it relates or not relates to swinging.
Sleepy does not look sleepy. Listen.

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I'm trying to figure this. Thing.
Because he, he's like, he's interesting, sleepy.
I like your look because I like,I like fucking around with
people like you because. You're not.
You're not. You know you're not the norm,
right? Yeah, I, I I've definitely part
of the alternative world, yes. Yeah, you like a, a, a
combination of like like the thepredator slash, like an Eskimo

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in you kind of trianal person. I like it.
I like it. I like that.
I like that description. Like, yeah, I like that
description. I'm going to go with it.
How much do you get? Because if it works for you.
The answer is as much as I want Chuck.

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That's a player talking right there.
I'm. About to change something up.
I might just change something. Up when I hear one.
Saying here you are going for specific dates and all this and
he's just he's got it. Playing sleepy?
Yeah, playing sleepy shit, I mean.
He's they too sleepy, so he he gets a lot of pussy.
So it's like OK or whatever you get.

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I don't want to assume, you know.
No, yeah, you're you're on trackthough.
You know, I don't got some greatyoung people's yums, but he.
Got the look and he got the name.
He got conversation starters, you know what I mean?
It works pretty good. You wouldn't believe.
In fact, my friends and I, who my brother who looks pretty

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similar to to me and and and some of my closer friends who
are more modified, when we do goout, we call ourselves the band.
And that's because we get so many people that come up to us
and ask us if we're in a band. It's just really wherever we go,
when. They say it.
They're like, you guys. Are you guys in a band?
So sleepy, tell us a little bit more about yourself and you

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know, we got you on today because we have a lot of people
on CND and other sites, whateverthat there's crossover into the
BDSM world and me, ma myself know nothing about it.
So yeah, Miss doll here is is excited for this.
He's been he's been on group text everything.

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She's ready for this. So tell us a little bit about
what you do in your world. What's your OK?
Sure, sure. First, I'm I'm definitely not
the expert on BDSM, but you knowof.
Us you are. You're like the Grand Poobah for
all of us here. I'm not in charge of anything,
I'll tell you that much. Well, well, at least at least as

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far as the the lifestyle system.I am in charge of things,
believe me. If we were putting together a
BDSM kickball team, I'm picking you first, so you're going.
To be the Michael Jordan you. Probably get, probably a good
choice, probably you and. You and your brother.
I trade up for your brother too,so.
Nice, nice. So as far as my connection to

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alternative lifestyles, you know, as you guys pointed out,
the way I look, right, this happened, you know, I'm, I'm,
I'm an older gentleman and this happened over a long period of
time. So I've been in the alternative
lifestyles since younger. You know, I was a skater and
then, you know, my brother is a tattoo artist and I ended up
getting into the body mod world and early in the 90s in the body

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mod world when the Internet was kind of new and stuff like that,
all these people connected on this place called bme.com.
And so it's like Shannon Leary at this guy and he made this
whole community and people were piercers and mod doing body mods
like I used to do implants and you know, the scarf patient and
branding and stuff. We all got together and stuff.

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And what we found was in that body mod space was kink.
Plenty of people were doing modsfor kink.
Some people were doing it for their own psychological.
Body mods is part of BDSM that body.
Mods. Well, that's how I got there,
right? So I realized.
That I'm in a body mod Is that am I part of the community?
It can be. It can be.

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It's. The pain.
Right, right. Pain and pleasure lying she.
Smiled when she said that to you.
Seriously. Yeah.
Exactly. And and, and keep in mind, so,
so I think what a lot of people think is everyone kind of has
their own idea if they're not part, you know, if they haven't
been in a lifestyle, even less so, even less of an idea.
Because because even you, Mr. Vanilla Professor, as you, as

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you, as you claim, even you werejust telling me how you're a
regular at Kinky Friday and stuff.
So at least you're going to exhibition type BDSM.
Yeah, that's like performance. ER, that's like, it is Taco
Bell, you know what I mean? Like I ain't getting.
Down to the real, you're making a good Yeah.
And then you're making a good. You know, that's a good point to
bring up is that BDSM has a range because it's a kink, but

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it's also a lifestyle. People live it and and they live
and even in that living it, there's there's a spectrum,
right? So some people live it only in
the bedroom. Some people live it, you know,
every minute of every day. And when I mean live it, you
know, everybody's so different, probably the same in in your

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specific lifestyle, everyone's got their specific rules and
stuff. And and you know, you're trying
to try to find people that matchup with you.
And so even in, in in that rangethere, there can be, you know,
all all that leeway and stuff. So you're right though,
exhibition is. What would be some of the like

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say ranges to kind of give people an idea of like?
Yeah, like where should I start?Like.
You're like my mother. Said to go put on that Saint
Andrew's cross and I'd be like, get the fuck out here.
Like we're starting with like, handcuffs.
Sure, sure. Well, and and when you say where
should I start, you mean it sounded like you were just
referring to where should I start in the bedroom, so to
speak, you know, in the bedroom.But where you start is kind of

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where you've started, right, Exhibitionism and and the shows
and stuff it when when you go tothe shows, you know, does that,
you know, float your boat and and if so, then that's a good.
Don't get me wrong, I gotta spank some ass before.
I mean, it's just. Not my he's still practicing.

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I've got I've got fan art of my hands.
Actually, I've got a couple paintings, just poems, stories,
all kinds of stuff. Now, I was going to say not to
break, but that was just straight up breaking.
So I'm just going to, I'm just going to own it.
I'm just. Going to own it.
Well, I say you're back. So when it comes to like in the

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bedroom and and that's part of that spectrum, Miss doll to
answer Miss dolls, like questionand address what you just said,
professor, that spectrum goes from people who want to just
take it, you know, as a kink. Some people want to role play
different things all the time, right, And and maybe they want
this, you know, BDSM in the rotation.
But even if you talk about it onthat level, just just bringing

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it into the bedroom as a kink, there's also a huge spectrum and
where you land on it, it's not, it's not a straightforward front
to back spectrum, right? It's a, it's a, it's, it's 50D,
right? So it's going all these
different ways. And that's because.
Let me ask you this though the spectrum.
Give us an example of what you would consider a hardened

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veteran of ass beating. What like light and what's
heavy? What's what would be something
in your world that's light and what would be sometimes like, oh
shit. That's a good question and and I
don't want to make it more complicated than than than you
asked it, but it really depends because people can have
sprinklings of different stuff, right?

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So something. Like tonight, somebody walks in
your room right now like you're going to start on something.
Like specific to them, do they? Do they like to be restrained?
You got to give me an answer. I'm.
Giving you, I'm coming there, I'm bringing the answer.
So the person that you're the submissive that you're dealing
with after working out. So a dominant doesn't just jump

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into things like that, right? Unless it's like a paid Dom
scene, but even then and it's worked out way beforehand.
So when when a dominant Subs have start a scene, they already
know everything they're about todo.
And so that stuff isn't worked out by light or hard or, or, or
well, it kind of is, but it's worked out in discussions

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beforehand. Person might like to be
restrained, maybe even hard. But in Spanx, right, No choking,
No, no this or that. So all these little details are
really specific to the person. So where to start?
You find out the list of things that's permissive or the people
you know, the the levels of you know, where pineapple starts and
ends right? And well, in I think in your

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world, pineapple means a little different thing.
Choking. Over there, that's what he liked
to. Do choking, choking is super
common. It's super common.
I'll tell you I'll I'll tell youwhat Subs often so, so a new sub
when they come to me and if they're not experienced what,
what they what they're really usually looking for is someone
to tell them to do this shit that they're too ashamed to do

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without being told to do it. That makes sense.
So they don't want to take responsibility for the naughty,
dirty shit they really want doneto them.
And so it's, it's easier for them to, you know, not take
responsibility to it. And that's almost one of them
places where, where, where the crossover starts to happen even

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too. I've had Subs that just wanted
to have plural sex, you know, situations, but they just, they
felt like too much of A, of a, aslut to, to, you know, they,
they, they felt ashamed. And The funny thing is they want
to feel ashamed. It's complicated, but Long story

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short, what what, what a new subwho's not from, you know, the
lifestyle usually wants is that.That's why when Miss Stall said
she didn't like analyze, like, I'll tell you, it's like 50% of
the Subs that come to me. New Subs, they just want to get
it in the butt. Yes.
And they and they totally. I'm not.
I'm not kidding, I'm not. Kidding.
We're not doing it. We're not doing it.

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And it's just always been their whole life, you know, they, they
just their friends bring it up. Everybody giggles and says, no,
no, never do that. And then they just got it.
A lot of them are just trying toget over these, these, these
rules that they've morality and their, you know, their, their
elders and, and whatever the things that they put on
themselves and, you know, the things they masturbate about,

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they just want to happen. Yeah.
I agree. And so, but, but then along that
spectrum too, and, and I is, is of course, the, the paid stuff,
which I've done as well and exhibitionism stuff.
And, and then all the way to thevery deeper lifestyle where
where symbology means deeper things like collars and such.

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I've only had one called sub whoI've collared, but let's say I
take a a submissive even as a date even.
But if she's a submissive, whichshe usually is because I only
date within that, you know, lifestyle.
If I take them out on a date might make them have a wear a
collar, you know if we're going especially.
For we're going to stop right there for a minute, but you're

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going to explain. We, we need you to explain some
of that stuff. Absolutely and that type of
thing. To you, what is the symbolism of
like the collar and kind of likeexplain that a little bit more?
Great. OK, Yeah, that's a good
question. And and one I again, I think, I
think I'll point it out towards the end of this explanation, but

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there's some relevance when withthe crossover between your
folks's lifestyle. I'm not, I don't want to offend
you by I don't know what you guys call it exactly, but your,
your lifestyle and the caller. So the caller.
The symbolism is ownership, right?
Basically it says that a sub is committed to, to a Dom.
It's used in fashion. So it's kind of it's kind of

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gained some colloquial kind of use and stuff.
So you'll see people who are in BDSM, but even not committed
submissive or dominant with callers out in public and stuff
kind of trying to, to, to signalthat, that they're that they're
BDSM friendly. So it's a little bit confusing.
But if it's if it's submissive is with a dominant somewhere or

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and and you know, goes in private too, but as far as like
a public symbol, it, it means that they're they're committed
to that's that dominant. So if first instance, A dominant
sub, let's say I brought a submissive to a swinger party
and they were wearing a collar, doubly so if they're leashed,
that's also another, that's alsoanother queue.

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But let's say I bring them to a submissive party or let's say I
bring them to a swinger party, right?
So my submissive isn't approachable by general people.
It's very, very rude to see I'm.Supposed to know that as the
outside do right? If I see that leash in that
collar like. Don't see that leash in collar.
You need to talk directly to theDom.

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It's true. And if the Dom, if the Dom
introduces the sub in a kind of normal way, you know, you just,
you act normal, but it kind of, it kind of depends if it was a
really like a kink event and they brought them and they
brought them on a leash, nobody should be talking to that sub
or, or doing anything that's up.Now.
Can this sub play at the party with other people?

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Yes, if Saddam tells them to, right?
And and that's, see, I think in our worlds that starts to feel
sketchy for, for, for maybe you guys, right?
Cuz cuz you don't want people controlled and stuff, right?
If, if we're talking about a healthy Dom subcouple, I'll tell
you that, that per that submissive wants to be
controlled and, and, and, and it's 100% a revocable situation.

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At any moment they can stop being controlled.
Then you know, there's no, there's no, there's no threat of
anything. Is this a verbal contract or a
written contract between Dom andsub?
When this revocability happens so.
It can be. It can be both or or either or
or both. So when, when I vet submissives,

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I have them write me a letter. I, I make them write it on good
paper and mail it to me. And I, I have them write me a
letter talking about their, their expectations, their
experience. Here's the thing I got to, I got
to hold back so, so you wouldn'tbelieve how much ass I turned

(23:07):
down. It's a lot.
Damn. Hey, I think I might start going
into this world. I think I need to switch it up.
I need to change. My game.
Come on, jump in, Chuck. Come.
To the dark. Side or the dark side mid
fucking spank like I'm getting spanked like plow plow, plow.
Well, not me, but someone's getting spanked.
Plow, plow plow and the revoke ability like when do you come

(23:30):
out of it? Is there?
This is where the safe work shitcomes.
In that's where safe work and you heard me say pineapple
earlier, this in my world, it's just a generic.
It's a generic like a line for safe word.
So like in my world, I'll say, you know, you want a pineapple
out or you pineapple in here, you know, and it's, as long as
you have a, you know, a safe words are really important.

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But then again, so it's such a complicated world because
there's different spectrums of dominance too.
I, I'm what's known as a soft Dom.
And so I, I have a whole different agenda than, than what
you would call a hard Dom. And, and within those hard Dom
and soft Dom, there's spectrums too, you know, some hard doms

(24:14):
who do a lot of torture and painand degradation and all kinds of
stuff like that. Some do pain, but no degradation
and things and things like that.It it's, it's just really, you
know, and then there's these subgroups like DDLG and.
What the fuck's that mean? It it's so it's not, it's not
something it's something I, I have, you know, tried one a

(24:36):
couple of times, but I just didn't like the dynamic.
DDLG is daddy daddy Dom little girl and it's so it's an age
player. That's real weird sleep, but I
ain't going to lie to you, sleep.
There was used to be this girl. The girl used to dress up you.
You seen the pictures? You all seen the little doll
pictures? There's a really good chance
that that's the scene that she was part of.
If if they're wearing 1DS and they got you know.

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Don't they call that the littles?
Yeah, they're called a little. Yep.
Yeah. When I was in a relationship for
21 years and then like 10 years ago I got out of it and I
started being in a scene becauseI'd never really been out there
in the scene previously and so. Listen, stop, stop right there

(25:20):
to sleeping. Where do you guys, where's the
best place to meet people? Like when you say the scene and
you weren't out there, where do you guys go to?
Like where's the party at? So that's a good question and
I'm not necessis. This is one of them barriers
where I'm definitely not the authority and that's because no,
I think, you know, in our pre talking and stuff, I I let you
know, I don't even have a fetlife page, right, and that

(25:42):
seems wild, right. Do I know people, a lot of tons
of them, local people on fetlife.
Yes, tons of them, tons of them.In fact, you can find my
pictures on fetlife at all kindsof events and stuff.
You know, I'm I'm all over in there.
I know it because they always tell me that's going to be.
Let me ask you this, why aren't you on Fetlife?
Me personally, I, I haven't needed well, so I just haven't

(26:05):
really needed it. I've got so much social media.
I use I I'm, I'm kind of old. I use, I use Facebook, but I
don't really use online dating, although, although I sort of do
in the sense that I just exist online and and they they come to
me or, or you know, I just date traditionally, you know, I'm out

(26:26):
at events or public, I meet people as you guys come.
I imagine people come up to me and talk to me all the time and,
and, and so you gotta go. Start it right there.
I hate to sound, I hate to make it sound crazy, but to be
honest, I don't really look because I haven't.
I just. I sort through the ones that
come to me. They.

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Do like Hardee's or stuff. You don't.
OK. And you said soft Dom, so you,
you gave an explanation a littlebit on like the hard Dom, what
is the spectrum like on the softDom side of it and like what you
do? Good question So I typically if
I'm in an actual relationship relationship one where I might

(27:09):
and like I said I only called one person but.
That sounds crazy. So a coloring in a lifestyle
relationship level, a coloring is like being married.
It's a more permanent commitmentand and things like that.
The the person who is my often on and off on again submissive
and an ex. She accepted a caller at one

(27:32):
point. Now it's coloring.
I missed this. Is coloring soft or hard
dominant? Near, near it's it's just every
Dom and and what the collar means is kind of really up to
them to be honest. Rules order in this thing,
Sleepy. That's the thing.
All the rules are spelled out inthese relationships.
They're talked about and everything is.
There is another degree for this.

(27:53):
Shit. Well, The thing is, it's
whatever you want it to be, right?
Because none of these rules are universal in the sense.
These are just how these are some of the ways in which I've,
I've conduct my, you know, relationships and some Doms do
as well, Others are different, especially a female Dom.

(28:14):
I have a lot of female Dom friends and they just you know,
and. Those are called Dom in nature,
right? Correct.
Yeah, or or DOMME, but still pronounced Dom.
And so their relationships are often different than men's.
But again, depending on, but like, like where I was going
with that was that personal relationship is different.
And, and, and in that it's as far as me being a soft Dom, I, I

(28:37):
don't usually go in a personal relationship where I dominate
their whole lives. I I usually it's, it's kind of
more of a bedroom thing and thenalmost almost like a light.
Yeah, I mean almost like a lightguideline.
You know, we step into it outside of the bedroom.
You know, in the sense soft Domsare usually really, we have kind

(29:00):
of a often used phrase in, in our world, drink water, you
know, and so it's often like a, a tongue in cheek joke.
If you tell someone to drink water, it's you're kind of
dominant. Mr. Rebel Penguin and I, we, we
have an ongoing thing where, youknow, we go out a lot together.
But yeah, I'm always trying to Dom him.

(29:22):
So yeah, yeah, yeah. I in little ways I'll be like,
hey, do this or something. And if he does it, then I'll be
like, ha. Gosh, he domed you talking about
the Dom you. Yeah, yeah.
So I, I play games with them. Yeah, I've domed them.
I've done. I've done most of my friends.
Sleepy, you're going to help us out with something in a minute
here. When we come back, you're going

(29:42):
to help us. We all did.
Chuck D, Miss Donna all did our own BDSM quizzes.
We did these. We did the quizzes.
Yeah. So we're going to read the
answers to you, and you're goingto you're going to analyze us.
I love it. All right, we'll be right back.
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(31:10):
Hey, this is all good stuff. I'm taking a lot of notes here
because. Listen, this is fun.
This to me, you're like, we're like, he's like my brother from
another mother. You're just on the East side.
From the east side. We're going to get into the
results of the quiz that we all took for DSM Drum.

(31:31):
Roll please? Like do we get?
Scores on this? Does somebody win?
I don't know if there's a winnerhere, but I think this is
accurate, at least for me. A.
Lot of ass play at the top. Probably so so.
For, for, for, you know, for listeners out there, you know,
the quiz that we took really it grades us in, in a color scheme.
So green being your top, you're,you're more, you know, dominant

(31:54):
in those particular areas and itkind of shades into a yellow and
then into a red. So we're just going to go into
the greens right when we get up to the yellows here.
So my top one was non monogamousand yeah, I mean, I think that's
gonna be common for people like,you know, yeah, that's no
surprise there. But then it transitions to it

(32:16):
goes to vanilla, which I don't even know what that means.
I'm vanilla too. See this.
Is so cute. I don't even think I've ever
seen that result. Yeah, I don't even know what
that means though. We need to get more information
of. That if you say the next one,
Chuck, if you say the next one, Oh my God, if you say.
You 2 are perfect for each other.

(32:37):
Voyeur, voyeur. I'll tell you what man, No way.
You guys are soul mates. That's my official reading
Tentacles. Sleeping.
They're identical. That's why I'm going to get you
guys matching collars. Hey, oh God, hey, remember that
year we were Doctor Evil and Mini me?

(32:58):
And mini me, Yeah, we were Doctor.
Mini me, we had the suits and the bomb caps and everything.
OK, The next one was Switch. I don't got that.
You don't have a switch. Are you putting down now?
Hey, man, sometimes I like to bechoked, OK?
And one time I I asked for it and I passed out.
And you know what? When I came to, oh, my God, it

(33:21):
was an exhilarate, exhilarating experience.
I, I mean, it was out of this world.
Like it made the orgasm even more fat.
Come when you came to remember the girl we.
Used to oh. Yes, they used to.
Make I would have guessed you asa friend.
They used to choke her and he would go.
I mean the butt. And when we got done choking
her, she would wake up and just like squirting all over the

(33:42):
place. Yeah, so that was the weirdest
thing, This that was some weird shit.
She would pass out. But then when she she came
through. She would pass out, we would put
her to sleep. He would like put your hand on
her. Like do this which was a.
Fixation play. Yes, yeah.
You've you've done the fixation play.
You know what you're saying. Oh, sleepy, I've done a lot of
crazy shit that I. Did not to that extent.

(34:03):
I got to tell you that's that's that's considered, you know,
that's that's some that's some heavy shit there.
Shit. Yeah, it is.
I ain't no. Joke on this video some shit.
I was watching it too and I was,I was getting scared I was going
to be accessory to something. Right, I was getting scared.
Hey, I, I, I understand that. I've done aphixiate, I've done

(34:24):
breath play before. And yeah, it's, it's always
great when they, when they're happy later, yeah.
The choking wasn't even the weirdest part though.
The weirdest part that she squirted for like 4 minutes.
She couldn't. It was uncontrollable.
Like the the choking made her dothis.
That was the crazy part. It was like.
Yeah, I'd say, I'd say in BDSM world, squirting is way more

(34:47):
common than it's a very common thing.
I think it's because you're you're engaging the mind too,
you know, in the body. It's we're going out, we're
going all out, right. That's a, that's a, that's a
little dangerous stuff though, you guys.
I hope you're being, yeah, doingall the, doing all the safety
stuff. You know, real BDSM safety's a
huge deal. Yeah, we got the cans of oxygen.

(35:08):
After. Canada Game.
When we choke, we always, alwayshave them, you know, hold up a
hand or just so that way I know when they go out right because
the arm falls like. Wrestling got to hold it up
there. Good time you you, you have some
kind of trigger so that when they go out the arm falls or
whatever, you know OK, put put something up, something you got

(35:28):
to hold up physically and then. That's a good idea.
I usually go with the eyes rolling back and they just I
used. To go with the light to their
ass theory. I I like that.
I think sleepy. Yeah, I like that approach.
Sleepy. I'm going to use that one all.
Right. So what, So what do you guys do?
I got a question real quick. I'm sorry, but what do you guys

(35:50):
do to cover yourselves for things like that?
That's where that paperwork we were talking about earlier.
Do you have contracts and? Stuff This should happen at 2:00
AM after a party buses, all party buses again.
Jesus Christ. It happened at 2:00 AM after a
party bus. We didn't we didn't discuss
this. This guy put us in this
situation sleepy. We didn't sign up.
I'll even get it. See, for something like that,
I'll put him on. I'll get a video agreement that

(36:13):
of what we're going to do and stuff.
That's, that's another thing of being like in BDSM.
You can, you can, you can stop the record and, and, and get all
professional all of a sudden. And it's kind of normal.
You know, it doesn't, it doesn'tusually kill the mood because we
have these rules and stuff and, and, and we're used to it.
You know, it's expected. So asking someone to go on video

(36:34):
and give consent, I know, I knowoutside of BDSM that might that
might send people running or something, you know, you.
Pull out a phone at the swinger event.
Yeah, Congressional. So what else you got there, Sir?
OK, so my last two of green is experimentalist.

(36:55):
I got that. I got a lot more yellow though a
little more yellow than yours. Freaky.
And then my last green before I get to yellow is dominant.
Yeah, sometimes I like to take control, you know, and yeah,
obviously I've been doing it wrong.
When I'm on the on the passing out game thing, I'll make sure I
incorporate the. Armor, Yeah.
What's more, what's worse? Sleepy What?

(37:17):
What's more high? High on the scale, would it be
the choking, passing out stuff? Or would it be when the women
asked you to smack them in the face?
Like smack them hard it. Depends on how how much that's
in the hard as far as like hardness like.
That it was so hard when Chuck Dhit this woman in the face she.
Slapping. Slapping's a little harder of a
thing usually, cuz there's some psychologicalness to it.

(37:40):
Yeah. I mean, not that there isn't
with choking and stuff. One last man.
I can't, I can't just pass it up.
I have one last thing about the choking and stuff.
When you guys are choking, you're making sure not to crush
that windpipe, right? Yeah, make make the V with your
fingers and yeah. I appreciate you giving me these
tips but I'm never doing it again.
I told you this. Never doing that again.

(38:01):
Man my brother came to me once and he was like man these girls
want me to choke them and stuff and he's like but I'm really
scared to do it. He's like I tried it once and I
freaked out because I'm just scared when I do it wrong.
So he wanted me to explain to him how to do it and so I
explained, explained. It turns out at the end he's
like not dude you just got to show me.
And I was like, seriously, you want me to choke you?

(38:23):
I was like, I don't, I don't know, man.
When I do it so specifically, it's so like that's you know.
And so I'm not sure if it was OKor not, but I did.
I choked my older brother. Professor, I see you next.
I'm going to don't practice on you.
I'm going to show you. Yeah.
Literally, you pass out and you wake up.
No taste there. Yeah, I'm going to tell you a

(38:45):
drink. A drink.
Drink. Whatever.
Who's who's confessing their kinks next?
Miss Dallas, Because she's been waiting for this all day.
Seriously, she has. Mine's way longer than yours is,
that's how. We want you to show Mine's going
to be short. I'm not even that exciting.
Let's you know mine. Let's talk about it.
I'm going. To have to go mine like at it

(39:06):
semi decent speed then whole place I have to find it first.
Is this your whole list is green?
No not help it. What's your experience miss
Doll? You don't sound totally
inexperienced so. So did you take the test with
some experienced BDSM wise already?
Yes. So I, we dabble with it mostly

(39:27):
in the bedroom, me and the cowboy do.
And we've taken this test. I try to take it like every
year, one, just for giggles, andtwo, because for me it's like an
insight into yourself. You kind of get to see the
things that when you ask, when you answer truthfully, of
course, you kind of get an insight of the things that kind

(39:50):
of get you. And so once we joined a
lifestyle, it was kind of like, oh, well, now that makes more
sense as to why I like this and I don't like this.
And it kind of helped us kind ofrange again ourselves and but
also the people that we are comfortable like playing with as
well and that kind of cool. Thank you.

(40:13):
I'll get to. That previous list.
All right, so my two number one hundreds one is switch 2 is
voyeur, then we fall to primal prey, prey and then primal
hunter. Yeah, that.
So that shows your switch. Yeah, Yeah, I I'm a primal
hunter myself. What?

(40:33):
Does that mean though? So hunter just means Dom and
prey means sub really. But primal is a state of being.
It's kind of where where I go when I'm when I'm in what they
call Dom space, I, I get very primal and so real, real, real
you just. Mean when you start hitting it
hard, like, yeah, you know what I mean?

(40:56):
It can be, it can be about hard,but it's it's kind of a there's
a lot of growling and grunting with primal couples and, and,
and you know, there's some the choreography of the scene is, is
you know, chokes come there's. Some viciousness to it.

(41:17):
OK, so after those two, it's theexhibitionist and then sadistic,
masochist, experimental, rigor dominant, rope Bunny, non
monogamist, submissive. And that's kind of where I'll
stop. Monogamist is way dominant.
For you, yeah, yeah, compared tothese guys, it totally is.
Why are we? Starting sooner.

(41:38):
Well, it makes, it makes sense. She scored a little higher on
kind of the Dom sub BDSM stuff. So I'll tell you in general, Dom
sub relationships, they're not always monogamous because it
really always depends on what the Dom susses out that's a
submissive needs. And so as you guys have probably
found out, a lot of people, theycan be fulfilled in lots of ways

(42:00):
by plural relationships and morethan one person sexually.
And so sometimes BDSM relationships are plural
relationships. You know, Dom's can have
multiple Subs or, or a Dom can, I can just simply send a sub
into one of your guys's parties and tell her to, to, to wreck
shop, you know, and, and, and, and that's, that's what's going
to, that's what she's going to do her fucking best to do,

(42:22):
right? And enjoy it and everybody's
happy, right? Because again, it's not like a,
it's not like a controlling thing.
It's a weird line. But in the BDSM world, to be
honest, Dom's do everything. In my opinion, a good dominant
is doing everything. It, it's literally for the
submissive. It's, it's all about the
submissive. It's taking care of them and,

(42:44):
and, and and giving them the allthe experience that they want
out of the relationship. In fact, if if I'm not doing
that, that that's literally my job.
So it's not about what I want. So, Miss Doll and Chuck, here's
what I'm not going to read mine,since you already know.
I'm just normal monogamist, a voyeur, and that's it.
Vanilla. I'm just, I'm here for the for.

(43:05):
The vanilla is crazy for you guys.
I'm just here for the sex, so but Miss Dawn, check, we're
going to start with you guys. I'm going to ask you this
question now that we've talked to sleepy because Sleepy is
going to tell us last, but what is what is your best?
So you guys both have experiencewith VDSM stuff.
What is your best or the wildestBDSM experience?

(43:26):
Chuck Hugo? And then why you think about it?
I want to say probably wildest, like enjoyable, enjoyable or.
Shockable or to be shot, I don'tknow.
I'm saying what is the one you remember?
Let's say memorable. Let's just use that one.
Probably the slap that was heardfrom around the world when it,
when, when that one girl asked me to slap her on the dance

(43:49):
floor in public, I mean. And I was like, excuse me, what
do you want me to do? She goes slap me hard and I, I,
I kind of winded up and pow. And it's almost like the music
stopped and everyone looked at me and it wasn't a good.
I did look at you. I did look at you.
Like everyone looked at me like I was doing something wrong.

(44:11):
I heard her ask. No, she didn't ask for it.
She goaded him into it. She was like, basically like
you're a pussy if you don't. Exactly.
So I gave her all I had with my left hand and it it was loud and
I could tell that it probably hurt her, but she kind of she
ate it like, and I just looked around, was looking at everyone

(44:32):
looking at me like they're like,what the fuck are you doing?
I'm like. Me, mainly because I thought
someone was going to get in a bit trouble for this.
Yeah, I thought I was going to get in trouble for it.
So I'd say that's probably the wildest, wildest experience in
that sense, the most enjoyable was.
If you say your ass, I'm jumpingthrough this screen.
No, no, it's probably when I first was was choked out.

(44:55):
I had been doing a lot of it myself with consent.
Everyone what? Do you mean by yourself you're
choking yourself? No.
No, no, no, no, I was choking other people with consent,
right? And then the roles were
reversed. I I mean, I switched and I, you
know, she was on top of me and Ijust was, I just told her it's
like choke me. Just what?
Choke me. And at first, you know, sleepy

(45:16):
was explained the right way of doing it.
She was doing it the wrong way. She was crushing my my ads apple
that I was like, what the hell? I was like, you can't do that
just besides right. And when she did that, she
started getting excited and she started squirting at the same
time. And I was getting to the point
where it's like I was, I was going out and it was just like I

(45:38):
was out and I woke up and I remember her shaking me and Oh
my God, here's the best experience.
It was like, yeah, I'm. I'm there, guys.
I don't know if you can tell, but I'm.
There. How many years ago was this?
How long ago was this? This was in 2015, No 2014, 2014
you used. To remember pretty vividly.
Yeah, that was that was a good year.

(46:00):
That's never going away. Was not a.
Bad year. It was not a bad year.
That was a good year. I mean, that was a year that I
needed to forget. Would you say let it go?
That was the let it go year. Was that the let it go?
I had to let a lot of things go,you know, so, but that's been my
experience. Miss Doll, yours.
We'll use the word memorable. So I like sensory play.

(46:20):
What is that exactly? So your senses, your 5 senses
and taking them away. So like usually the biggest ones
are your sights and hearing. So like blindfolds, earmuffs,
that kind of thing. And then sometimes you're
strapped to the bed in this. And since I was strapped to the
bed and I had blindfold and I had the earmuffs on and it's

(46:42):
really just that was the most enjoyable because you have to
like get out of your own head while other people are
pleasuring you and you don't getto know who it is.
So that's kind of the fun part is you just kind of roll with.
It just random people like the doors open and.
Whoever comes in, No, definitelyno.
You can you, you can for sure. But the answer to that was no.

(47:05):
It was a controlled environment with people that I knew.
There was, you know, there was that we had wax play like all
kinds of fun stuff. So that was that.
One of my funnier ones. I guess this falls under my Dom
kind of thing being a switch. I enjoy like having when there's
like an orgy going on or whatever, I love to like

(47:28):
orchestrate the people. So like, I'll see people playing
and then all of a sudden they get up and they stand and I'm
like, oh, you would go really great over here and you would go
great over here. And then they obviously
everyone's like, oh, this is like super fun.
So then I just find the people that they haven't played with
yet or that I think that they would match up well with in the

(47:49):
bedroom. And then it's fun for me.
I enjoy watching that. I like that job.
For you but do you ever have it miss all where someone is like
no, I'm good. Yeah, OK.
For sure, and they just can justhang out and watch everything
occur. And they never get asked.
And then I tell them to go get. Water again?
Yeah, I like that. I would, I, I would, I'd enjoy

(48:11):
something like that too. And I have like, you know, I've
had a sub before and then, you know, we've had another couple
come in and and agree to be submissive to me for a session.
And so that's that that's happened.
I have a question for you sleepy.
So is this a BDSM kink? I will tell you one of I don't
really have a lot of BDSM stories that are worth while
telling but. I don't know if I'm the boss,

(48:32):
but I'll I'll give you my no. You tell me if this is a kink or
whatever they call it or where it falls under the hearts off.
So one time here at a a pool party, this guy calls me up and
he goes, Hey, I want to surprisemy wife today.
It's, you know, for her birthday.
And I said, what do you want to do?
And he said I want to put a cakeon your bar and my wife wants to
sit her ass in it and smash it around.

(48:54):
Splashing, splashing, splashing.Splashing, Lick it off food,
play, do. That shit, it's, it's a, it's
part of BSM world. I would say it's just a kink.
It's part of the kink world. I wouldn't.
It could be part of the BSM world.
Yeah, she sat in the in the. Lawn, yeah, it's called
splashing. Splashing, I think it was.
This is called. And everyone was.
Recognized, I said. I seen it on real sex that was

(49:18):
That was on like real sex 3. Yeah, and I was finding goddamn
icing in my house six months later, like everywhere.
Like seriously, every yeah corner I turned around was icing
and shit. I have I have a sex worker
friend. She she exclusively makes videos
of her in her porcelain bathtub pouring food on herself.
So she pours like big jars of Spaghettios and and stuff and

(49:39):
that's what that girl. Octomon did remember her, The
one that had all them babies andshit.
She did the porn. Yeah, she did the porn.
She's like a. Spectator.
Oh yeah, she did porn. Oh.
Yeah, she pour food and look at you.
This, this pervert. Hey this.
So then my next question, Sleepy, is since we said, since
he brought this up and we kind of said that it's more you said
it's more of a kink, what's the difference between kink and

(50:01):
BDSM? Well, I mean, it's right in the
words, right? BDSM, bondage, sadomasochism,
right. So kinks that don't necessarily,
you know, can, if they aren't part of that, that acronym, then
they're not generally under thatumbrella.
Though like I said, splashing itcould be definitely something if

(50:22):
I, if I knew myself, wanted to do it, or if I knew they didn't
but wanted to be made to do something they don't want to do.
She was. Hot too, but I'll.
Be considered a punishment. It could be a punishment or a
reward. It really depends on the, on the
relationship, right, right. So and that's how it all is.
So sometimes spankings are punishments, sometimes they're

(50:43):
rewards. It's honestly, it really it's
depends. And every submissive and Dom are
really different people on and so their agreement is really
what makes it, you know, and that's why it's hard to when I
it's really hard to put in that black and white hard and soft.
So there is those are terms. I didn't make them up, you know,
soft Dom and hard Dom and stuff.So Speaking of hard Dom, you

(51:05):
didn't make them up work. What are some good resources?
Let's say, you know, let's say II decide I'm gonna start
whooping ass soon. Where can I go to get some good
information and some resources on it if I'm gonna start?
That's, that's a really good question and I think really
important too. A, a really big misconcept, you
know, bondage and BDSM is reallythere's a lot of there's,

(51:27):
there's a lot of openings for problems there.
I, I know that your guys communities have built in things
that you have to consider and stuff about each other and
stuff, especially in, in, in Poly and plural relationships,
but in BDSM, you what was the question again?
OK, I'm not. The only one that does it sweet.
I did it. I did it.

(51:48):
I lost track. We want to know where the
resources were. Oh, sure, sure, sure.
So ironically, I'm going to say fat life is it's not a bad.
Look at you. So, so, so this is this is for,
this is for non, you know, polarized, you know.
Taco Bell it's. You know, if you don't, if you
don't carry stickers of yourselfaround to hand out to people

(52:11):
when you meet them in public just just because people know
who you are, then you probably need an online resource.
So you know, getting going to places like Kinky Friday, you
know, finding out the events, even just going, you know the
local alternative scenes, goth clubs.

(52:32):
Zero. You're a Ground 0 fan.
That's a. That's a complicated.
That's a complicated. So that's a, that's a
complicated, that's a complicated.
I know everybody there and I've,you know, I'm very well known.
There, but couch your ass now soit'd be.
Wild. But there's a there's a lot of
reasons I don't want to get intoit on here, but because but

(52:52):
there's some there's some controversy there.
Let me tell you that. In fact, you know, for a party.
Listen, that Chuck D is an investigative reporter.
He's going to fucking Snoop intoit now.
There's some big controversy. I've been there, I've been
there. But I'm old I.
Mean you can also just. Like I'm an elder there.
What's that? You can just Google the basics.
You can Google and ChatGPT believe it or not it's dope.

(53:16):
ChatGPT knows a lot and really talking to other people.
But also, you know, of course, bond desk classes.
Yeah. They've done a booth before at
one of our events. They got classes they're,
they're, they're booked really quickly.
So if you wanted to go to any oftheir BDSM classes, you should
always, you know, book early andthen online there's, there's

(53:39):
local, if we're speaking locallyhere, there's local people who
teach classes and stuff. I've taught them before.
Sometimes I teach or speak. I'm kind of part of this, the
holistic healer community as well.
My best friend, she's a she's a medicine woman.
So yeah. And the the paid version of of
what I do is mostly therapeutic and stuff some.

(54:02):
I like it, I like this. I like the sleepy we you and I
are alike 'cause I got into the.Ass being wingman.
Listen, listen, you gonna be robbing the ass?
Whooping What he's like putting his fingers up like you and me,
man. There was a time sleepy.
Sign me up as I'm your new Co host.

(54:23):
If you need assistant Sleepy, I'm there for you to help.
I'll volunteer. Hell yeah.
Hell yeah. Well, sleepy, do you?
Do you have AC and DA couple's next door?
Profile. I don't, but I could make one
you're. Going to have to kill 1 and now
people know you're going to, well I should I say you're
probably going to take it on my tail.
Now look, I got to fight sleepy now shit.

(54:45):
My relationships are very complicated so I'm not.
It's hard to explain I. Get it?
I I understand. I'm there too.
Very complicated. Everything in my life is
complicated, yes. I'm not nearly that complicated.
You just. Can't usually see me.
I'm sleepy. Yes Sir.

(55:06):
What are? We going to ask us?
No, no, go for it, Sir. No, we were just going to ask
now you said you're not on a couples next door.
Have you ever been in the lifestyle part?
Like have you ever been in the lifestyle with a partner or have
you always just been in the BDSMtype?
Couples like swinger lifestyle. Yeah, like a couple.
Like, have you swung as a couplebefore?
So sort of so I've had lots of Subs in the sub that my aunt and

(55:30):
get an Afghan who is kind of my sub right now, but not sometimes
she's my paid sub. We have different we have a
complicated relationship. She's somebody who as part of
her service we do some camming and stuff.
So I, you know, I, I've probablygot like 5 different AFF
profiles with different submissives in the profile with

(55:52):
me all abandoned after time, butsometimes with submissive and
part of their kink is voyeurism or exhibitionism or that's what.
I am, that's what. I am right.
So and, and so some again we're talking about how things can be
rewards or punishments. So I've had some Subs, for
instance, once I had a sub be naughty and I made her go on

(56:14):
chat chatterbait and make me $100 before she could come join
the bonfire, which was right outside the window and all of me
and my friends were out there atthe bonfire and she really
wanted a bonfire. So.
But she was naughty, you know. So what's?
Chatter. What's Chatterbait?
I don't know what that. Is it's a campsite, I've used it
with submissives a lot because it's just easy and to sign up

(56:37):
for and you know. It's like a only fancy type
deal. Yeah, you sign up and and you
broadcast and stuff. So, and when it comes to
submissives and when it comes tosubmissives broadcasting, there
could be all kinds of, there's all kinds of ways to use that
and I've used it as a tool, but I've even.
I've had Google and everything you say.

(56:59):
So everything. He said he was taking notes.
Did you not hear? Him.
I'm taking notes here. You know, I've had submissives,
you know, even broadcast on AFF and you know, they have to be
the top broadcaster before I lethim stop or, or something.
You know, it really depends on the sub and what they did and,
and if it's a turn on for him ornot, which it always is.
But I mean, in the cases where where I use it, of course, and

(57:22):
that's again every submission, my relationships with every
submissive have been so different from each other and.
I get that for you because I used to have a girlfriend that
she was into like getting beat with rods and handcuffs and
restraints and shit. I was like, we, we didn't have a
relationship where we played separately, but it got to the
point where she would keep asking.

(57:42):
I was like, I don't want to do all that shit.
Like I had to find her gone person so she could go and do
that on her own. I was like, they got to the
point where I was just like, look, quit asking.
I'm not handcuffing you tonight.I'm not fucking hitting you with
the rod from fucking Home Depot.None of that.
You should have. You should have called me,
Professor. You should have called me.
And that's where the vanilla comes into play.

(58:03):
Yep, there it is. Listen.
Listen. There it.
Is I spend a lot of money on sextoys, I spend 0.
I've got a few, yeah, so. Is there anything else you want
to let us know or tell us that we should know about the BDSM
community before we let you go? Just that education and, and
making sure that you're in it for the right reason.

(58:24):
There's, there's, you know, there's a lot of people say fake
Dom and fake sub and there's reasons for that because there's
a lot of ways that you can confuse mental health issues
with this lifestyle. Lots of them, right, Including
the DDLG stuff that we talked about and masochism and sadism
and the bondage, all of it. And BDSM shouldn't be a crutch
for, for mental health issues. Things you should work out and

(58:45):
stuff. In fact, I think if you're
practicing BDSM on a regular basis, you'd probably be going
to a therapist on a regular basis too, and just making sure
you're mentally healthy because it's, it's a place where people
can get taken advantage of, but it's also a place where people
can self flagellate, right? So they're there to get beat
because they have some deep psychological, you know, thing

(59:08):
that they need to work out. And so just want to make sure
the roots aren't rotten, you know?
So good, hey? Hey, write that one down, Miss
Dog. That's for our pamphlet.
The phrase. Yeah.
And and he he makes up, but you know, he comes up with a very
good point. And This is why we have an
episode coming up where we are going to be talking about mental

(59:29):
health for this, yes, exact reason.
Because there's there's like. They open to the mind and Chuck
D on that one. We're on the fucking.
Rabbit hole. Nice, we're on the rabbit hole.
I had a lot of fun on this show,thank you guys for having me.
Man, thank you for showing up for.
This was great. It was informative.
It's going to keep me out of jail.

(59:51):
That D is going to go on to Google D.
Is about to go get. Fat right?
Now I might, I might change my name.
I might change my name from Chuck D to Droopy.
OK, I won't be my friend. Sleepy here has inspired me
tonight so. I might be like, shit, that's
you. We'll have sleepy and droopy.

(01:00:12):
Yeah, nice. Yeah, well, thank you so much
for coming on, man. This was fun.
I loved it. I'd come back anytime.
OK, awesome. If you guys like this, like Miss
Doll was saying, come back, check us out.
We got a lot more planned for you this year.
That mental health episode is coming up.
Couple of other things, juicy topics and real soon we're going
to be doing a live episode whereyou guys on CND can watch it or

(01:00:37):
listen to it. I say watch it, but listen to
it. I only get to you guys real time
and sending some questions, but we got some takeover news coming
up. We'll have some bonus episodes
for you, so look out for that. Enjoy.
So David, the producer who sponsored today's episode.
That's couples nextdoor.com, where you can unlock the desires
beyond the ordinary. My favorite lifestyle website

(01:00:58):
out there. Also, producer.
Where can you listen to today's episode?
All major podcasts because this is a production of the Down and
Dirty Production company and they make sure you hear this
episode. And what is our favorite toy
company? Love Sense.
Remote control gods over there get you one.
And also don't forget those smooth silky sounds by Vic.

(01:01:24):
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