March 26, 2025 • 52 mins
🔥 Swinger 101 (Part 1): Mistakes to Avoid & Real Talk 🔥
The Down and Dirty Podcast is BACK and dirtier than ever! In this brand-new reboot episode, we’re diving deep into how to get started in swinging, complete with real-life stories, hilarious fails, and must-know advice for newbies.
Join your new hosts — The Professor, Mrs. Doll, and Chuckie D — along with special guest The Dean, as they unpack the do's and don’ts, share their personal journeys into the lifestyle, and answer the burning question: What the hell does "bi-comfortable" even mean?
💥 From creepy elevator confessions to booty wax truths and profile name disasters… this is not your typical lifestyle podcast.
👀 What’s Inside This Episode:
- 🔥 The official Down & Dirty Podcast reboot
- 😬 Swinging 101: what to do (and absolutely not do) when starting out
- 📱 The right (and wrong) way to build a profile
- 💬 “Bi-comfortable” decoded—finally
- 🧼 Brazilian waxes, booty touches & bidet metaphors
- 💣 Real talk: jealousy, play styles & evolving dynamics
- 💩 The worst profile name ever… and why it still haunts the hosts
- 🍑 DVP? Yup. We go there.
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🎙️ Credits:
- Hosts: The Professor, Mrs. Doll, Chuckie D
- Special Guest: The Dean
- Produced by: Mr. Open at Down and Dirty Productions
- Music by: Victoria
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older, please discontinue listening and go find yourself a
better podcast. For those of you that are 18 and
older, welcome to the Down and Dirty podcast.
I'm David, the producer, also known as Mr. Open.
I'm only coming to you right nowbecause this episode has been a
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recording the newest episode a couple weeks ago.
After hours of fighting with technical difficulties, we gave
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difficulties. So finally we got it set up.
We did a whole podcast. It sounds great.
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That's down Dirty podcast.com. Later on in the episode, Miss
Dahl will reference a website. Unfortunately, it's not the
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You can fill it out to contact us because we do this podcast
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for you. So we want to hear from you.
Well, without further ado, here's the Down and Dirty
podcast. What's up everyone, it's your
got a professor. So we got some exciting news for
you today. This is the new Down and Dirty
podcast. I hope all of you have, you
know, kept up listening waiting for these new episodes to come
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out. I know we released a little
teaser before, but the reason it's new is we got some new
hosts. The other hosts, Ruby Fox and
Callie have moved on to some newadventures.
We wish them the best of luck. We might even have them on the
show some time. But we have some new hosts for
you, one being myself. I know I said a bunch of times
before I was never coming back on.
I kept getting dragged on and on.
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And now I don't know if you've listened to the real couples
next door yet. Episodes with Miss Doll and IA
surprise for you is Miss Doll will be joining us on the down
and dirty now. And also we have a special guest
host for you, My dear friend Chucky D has been a long time
veteran. So we're going to have all
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different levels of experience and lifestyle.
And what we're going to do though, is it's going to be a
little different format on the down dirty before there was a
little bit of everything from all different realms.
We're going to do that too. But we're also going to do some
stuff like live shows and guest call insurance.
And we're just going to mix it up for you.
So since you've already heard from me on other episodes, I
want you to meet the new host that'll be on with us.
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And also let me stop. Let me stop today.
We also have two other people that are going to be on with US1
that'll always be on the producer, David, who you know
from the other podcast and he's been on the down and dirty for
years, and my lovely wife, the Dean.
So she's going to join us today and chime in and give you some
of her insights. Without further ado, Mrs. Doll,
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please introduce yourself to thepeople.
Well, as Professor said, I am Mrs. Doll and if you haven't
already heard, I will be joininghim on this crazy adventure on
the Down and Dirty podcasts as well as our couples, real
couples next door. So I started with my husband,
the Cowboy in August of 2022 andour first event was the New
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Year's 2022 C&D event. So that is where we landed in
this whole fun charade. I mean, doll, what do you want
to see on the down and there What what's your goal?
I know we sort of tell our people on the real couple next
door what we were going to do. What is your goal and what you
want to see with the Down and Dirty podcast?
Where do you want to see it go? Like, what are some of the
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things you want to see us doing?Want to be able to not only be
able to tell fun stories, but give a lot of really good
information that everyone can pluck something different from
and get some use out of it and also get to know us and the way
that we crazily interact with each other.
Well, it's good we like we. I need a female voice around
here, and tonight we got two. That might be two too many.
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But no, it's not. That might be so too many maybe
if you guys keep listening long enough you're here to bloopers
reel of what happened before we even got on tonight we did an
hour of me and my wife. I think they heard us.
We almost killed each other on the other end over here, but.
There was a lot of technical difficulties.
No, it might be. Yes, yes, we're like working
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remote, like she's in a far off land and we're like 20 feet away
from each other. But well, Miss Doll, thank you
for that. And Chucky D listen all the
time. We were just about to introduce
him and he leaves. Where do you go?
Don't. Let your dog in.
Everybody here, it's a family affair at the C&D studios.
Do they get treats or what? Did they get treatment?
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They can wait. If people want to hear you, get
into first of all, sorry. Roscoe OK, here we go.
Hello, everyone. Roscoe.
Yeah, yeah. I've been around for a while.
I can't remember. There's not much I can remember.
I I I can say I met the professor and the Dean.
What did we say last time was? It the professor, don't you?
You hate that, don't you? I do I.
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Do I do that's that's because one of the one of his wives is
the professor or something or. Yes.
Is that why you don't like calling him 4?
No, that's not it. No, I, I, I met these two.
Gosh, when was it, 2014? No.
Shit, we met in 2006. I met you when I heard the
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first. I moved here.
See, you're you're That's right.You're that's right, I am that
old and that's when I met give. You a pass, you're retired.
Met the professor when he was disguising himself as a creepy
single male for my wife and I. But no, I've been on a few sites
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with a few wives and it's that sounds well.
That sounds crazy. What?
This is not that type of people.This just sounds crazy.
Listen, I, I think, I think I, I'm able, you know, bring, I
bring to the table a lot of experience, definitely a lot of
different perspectives on the lifestyle.
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I've seen a lot and I think overall though, it's been fun,
been real fun. It's been a journey for sure.
And and my lovely wife, the Dean, could you introduce
yourself to the people? For those who haven't heard it
probably heard you on old down and dirty episodes, but
reintroduce yourself. Well, I am the Dean, the
professor and I have been together for almost 30 years.
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We have been in the life. You are old.
We have been in the lifestyle for I don't even know how long.
I swear like 31 years. I said that.
I said that 20. Nine years.
We're real close. It's been a long time and we, I
mean, when we started, it was wehad to go to truck stops.
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I'm not joking. I don't.
Think it sound like creepy perv like we were like in the back,
you know we had a. Lizard lot.
We had to go to truck stops and get.
Yeah, a lot Lizard. Is that what they call them lot?
Lizard. But yeah, we had to go to truck
stops and get get those magazines, lifestyle magazines
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and then like literally write a letter on an envelope.
Did we really do that? She's like, I can't believe
myself. You don't know where they're at,
but I know. Where they're at and then wait
for a response. It was so crazy.
It was weird and we've never gota response.
This is the great part about this is we no one has ever
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responded to us doing that method.
We had to wait like four years. We didn't.
We started swinging and didn't actually hook up for four years.
But yeah, go ahead with. Other people, we we got hooked
up. We're talking swinging here.
I know. Yeah.
Well, so those are going to be, well, the Dean won't be on all
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the time, but Missus Doll and Chuck B will be joining me
myself all the time on the show and the producer, David.
So we just wanted to introduce ourselves so you know, who will
be talking to you every so often.
And then also what we want to dois one of the things we'll be
doing is getting live calls in or questions or emails in, and
then we'll talk about them on the show sometime.
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And we'll also have guests ranging from all different areas
of the lifestyle, all the peripheries of the lifestyle.
We're going to have some therapists on Chuck D's lovely
fourth wife. Come on and help.
Us. Well, technically she's my
third. Had the other one and all.
That's right, that's a whole another story, so.
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Yeah. So one of the main things we got
when we got the preliminary stuff in was about how to get
into swinging. That was one of the main
questions that we saw so. And also before you take off
with that professor, make sure if you do have any questions
before he opens this up is go tothe Down and Dirty podcast.com
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to submit your questions to us. Oh, there you go.
See, I've never said that. Now you can go ahead.
Now you can go ahead and tell them what the first question was
that we have been asked most recently I.
Was just going to say we're going to just talked to people
about how to get into swinging today and you know, sort of some
insights on how we all got into swinging, but just some just
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general tips, do's and fucking don'ts.
And what I would say is just, you know, when you first open up
that Internet browser or you've been sitting around watching
2020 and seeing some shit about some swingers and you went on
one of these big sites, it's a little intimidating, I could
tell you. Well, I'm talking from my, my
advice is going to be outdated. Like my wife just said, we
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looked at pamphlets and magazines.
But the first thing you could dois to find what is the prevalent
site in your area is what I would say.
So I would say that's going to cut out a lot of your fucking
worries once you find out, you know, whatever city you're in,
we're talking Minnesota, South Dakota, North Dakota region
here, but that's going to be couples next door.
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But obviously if you're in another place, you want to find
out, do some leg work and find asite.
Now, did you guys all start on the site?
I'm assuming, or I'm sure Chuck's starting on like fucking
Craigslist or something. He's still on Craigslist
Villain. 'S voice, but.
Do they even have Craigslist? Still no I don't.
No, I never no, they don't. They they shut that well, they
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shut that down for the personals.
What's your friend told me that so.
Where did Where did you start atthen?
I started well. I remember how I got into the
idea was I was sitting in that Hilton Garden Inn watching an
HBO special and it was about swing stock.
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Real sex with my man Glenn Skinny.
Yeah, real sex. Real.
Sex. I've seen the same.
Swing Stock. We've seen the same episode me
and. The So I saw that episode and
I'm like Minnesota. I know, I know where that is,
you know. So I started looking it up at
the time I was with my second ex-wife and she asked me what I
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wanted for my birthday. I said a threesome and she said
OK. And our first site was it was
trial by error. We went on a site that was
dominantly an an older, you know, population.
Of swingers you at this time andin relationship to what you.
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Were looking well. I was in my 30s.
My wife at the time was in her 20s.
I was seeing if you'd gone lie to the people, I was going to
call your ass out if you'd lie you.
Know and the site I would say the average age was probably mid
50s. Oh.
That's why you and we started. You like that?
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Yeah, yeah, I know. But we, there was some helpful
people on the site that told us we really don't belong on there.
And then they kind of directed us to another site and then from
there just took off. You know, there's more people
our age or close to it. They had a, a website set up,
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they had parties and it was great.
So that's how we took off with that.
Only ever used websites, though.You didn't, you didn't you?
Wasn't in the magazine era or like Yahoo Chat and shit.
No, come on, man. Come on, Dean.
You know we used to get people off of them.
Yahoo Chat. I mean, sure.
I mean, we, you know, I would say probably AFF that's still
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around, right? AFF That's the wild, Wild West.
Yeah, it was. Sometimes that stuff scares the
shit out of you too. But is that still around AFF?
Oh yeah, that didn't. Go nowhere.
It's huge. OK, All right.
And then from there, people I think blossom to like that life
and stuff like that. And amongst other swinger sites.
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I don't know, there's lots out there when she started looking.
She's laughing, she's still cracking up and.
She probably was a middle schoolwinner, she thought.
About it she. Was like what was I doing in O
6? Somebody's going to feel.
That old all right But that is the year that I did meet the
cowboy well we started off with we started off at a different
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site it was all website based OKand have Flyers pamphlets I.
Was one step away from carrier pigeon, yeah.
No, but well, First off, I like to state the fact that like if
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we're talking about swinging oneO 1, yes, finding a website is a
good start, but you and your partner need to be on the same
page first. Don't just go thrown out and
saying, Hey, I want to go check out the site for or whatever.
You know. I mean, make sure that you guys
have had an in depth conversation a tad bit on like
what are the are you like after for like a fantasy purpose, like
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Chuck D said, like a threesome? Are you into it for the social
aspect of it and that's all you're there for is just to be a
voyeur and watch everyone dance around half naked?
Or are you in it to add extra spice to what you already
currently have? But you have to have a solid
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foundation First off. You don't go into it trying to
fix a marital mess. Oh God.
No people come. In for the wrong so I you know
that is my only because obviously you know the cowboy
and I have spent a fair amount of time talking with a whole
bunch of new couples that have come in and to the lifestyle
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most recently that we do kind ofhave a modified list that we run
down forum like have the conversation like get in depth
with it and you have to crack open all the vaults.
Don't go hide in anything. I like that.
That might be in our our book too.
For the real couples. Remember all the uncracked?
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All the vaults. Mark that one, he tells them on
the first date he'll meet somebody in the vanilla roll and
be like, yeah, so I'm in the swing the.
Vault. Comes open with Chuck.
Well, I think with me, the reason why I do that is because
I truly believe in transparency.So I I think no matter what
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approach you take, there needs to be transparency, you know, in
any relationship for that matter.
I want to add to what Miss Doll was saying, was saying too,
about, you know, open all the vaults and it's so important to
be honest about how you're feeling with your partner.
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If something is bothering you, make sure you discuss it, you
know. Because if you don't and if you
don't like, the first thing that's going to happen is that
you'll find yourself in a situation where you're either
going into a a date with anothercouple or you're adding a third
person into it. And then you or your partner
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does something with that other person.
And guess what? You have your first sense of a
feel, whatever that could be. Jealousy you're going to feel.
You're going to have all the feels.
And if you haven't opened. This shit almost 30 years are
her and and you get all the feelings.
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You'll get a range of emotions on different shit.
You won't even know when it comes up like oh shit, what
happened like this about this? I thought I was cool, so get all
that shit out the way. But I got a question for all of
you guys. So when you do get started in
your own experience, what do youthink the best?
What do you, I won't say the best, what do you think the most
efficient way is? I'm trying to get these dudes,
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these new people pro tips. What do you think the most
efficient way is to get going? Like go on a date, go to an
event meeting. What do you guys think?
In your opinion, the most efficient way is to get the ball
rolling? Start off on a website.
Yeah, go. Ahead, Dean, you can answer
first. So because we are so experienced
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and have tried everything our. Everything.
Everything, everything. Our best advice is to meet at an
event and and. We're not just saying that
because we take your money for it.
I. Was just saying it doesn't have
to be our event, but just me at an event.
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And the reason why is because, you know, you got to get
sitters, you have to get your outfit right and everything.
Get it. Yeah.
Get your nails done, makeup done.
Brazilian wax, right? Brazilian wax, that's.
The story. Finish.
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So that way when you meet the other couple or the other
person, if there's not a connection, then you have other
people that you can talk to, youcan socialize, you can, you'll
be there to, you know, dance or,you know, do other things and
you didn't waste your whole night on one meeting that may or
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may not have worked. 500,000 bucks on one meeting and you're
kicking yourself under the tableand we got to get the fuck out
of here. You're going to be mad.
Go to the events. But listen, fuck them events for
right now. I want to tell you guys this
Brazilian rock story since he bought it up.
Oh. Jesus.
What the audience doesn't know this is that me and Chuck D are
best friends. We've been best friends for
almost 15 fucking years now. So I know all these intimate
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details. So one my wife used to go to a
place to get Brazilian wax right?
So I'm down there and the lady'sjoking with me and she goes are
you getting one too? And I said no.
And she goes why your friend get1 And I said who?
And goes oh this is the same lady comes too.
So she's telling me this, I'm onthe phone.
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I'm on the phone calling and I see my wife get on all fours on
this bench and the lady spreads her fucking cheeks and fucking
puts the cream in or whatever she does and and Chuck answered
the phone. Why does this goes on and I said
is it the same shit you'll be doing?
Oh, yeah. Hey, you know what?
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I love it. I love Brazilian waxes.
And I tell you what, the partners I deal with, they loved
it too, OK? And no, I'm serious, OK.
And then I'm sure there's a lot of people out there, they have
been in that scenario where theyget down there is that.
What you're saying a lot of people on their lick booty?
I, I, I compare that to like your first experience had a
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bidet. You, you know, you remember that
first experience had bidet. Like you got on there, you
weren't quite sure. But then when the water started
squirting, you're like, Oh my God, this is so good.
The same thing with the Brazilian wax.
It feels good and your partner will appreciate it.
That's going to be another podcast.
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Actually, I mean, that really goes along with new swinging,
right? You want to make sure that you
bring yourself and you're ready and you know so.
Waxing. Is a normal part for a lot of
men and women. There's not endangered species.
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For the record, I do like my assOK And, and hey, hey, I can
admit that. Listen, first time that happened
to me, I was mad. I tell you what, I wasn't.
I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't expecting it.
Wow, What? Happened.
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Well, it was someone a professorof the Dean we we know she used
to, she used to drink. She used to drink a lot, get
silly. Anyway, her partner almost moved
to Connecticut. We know who we're talking about.
So she. Did it to me.
What's that? I don't know.
You don't need to know. Tell the story.
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Yeah, so anyway, we're pregnant right now and she was all down
there. No, not right now.
OK. Like it's just a matter of what?
Dean said she didn't know who and then the professor said
later, not right now to knowing.Who it was Professor text me and
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tell me who it is. I need to know why he's telling
this story, no? OK, so anyway, OK.
Good. So we're playing and, you know,
again, this is. Yeah.
I think Miss Dahl mentioned thisearlier about, you know, find
out what you like. Well, I didn't know what I
liked, and I was figuring out I was evolving, right.
So what I thought, you know, having a blowjob was great.
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I'm like, yeah. Then next thing you know, you
meet someone who's experienced and they start, you know, going
down under, start putting the balls in their mouth.
I'm like, yeah, I like this. When I had this one, she started
going down down after she shot you.
Just you go with it, right? And you're like, where are they
going? Like, oh, they're there.
And you're like, and they just started thinking, Oh my God,
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it's too late by then. And they're just down there
doing it. And I was like, I didn't know
how to feel. The only thing I could feel.
Was the legs like going back over your shoulder and like
well. I think the first time it
happened, I just, you know, theywere guiding me so you could
tell they were experienced and so they they propped my knees up
and I'm like made me feel comfortable.
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I was just shocked. I was just shocked at first.
OK, so. Wait.
Wait, wait, wait. We have to know, was this before
or after you started to get Brazilian waxed?
Yes, yes, that's important. I know the.
Answer. It was before, I'll admit it, it
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was before. The.
Jungle at the ball sat yeah, I was I was in my my bathtub
crouched down and I had a razor underneath there and I was just
stopping right at the back of the ball sack.
And but I will say this though, I will say this.
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I would say probably after the 3rd, No, after the yeah, the 3rd
or 4th Brazilian wash. It feels so good.
And the next thing you know, when you're playing with
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someone, you just offer it up, you serve it up.
You assume the decision like I did Salon and they said a lot
either they, they know what theywant, then they, they know what
you want. I call that transparency.
You see, now it comes full circle.
It comes back to where his main tenant was at the beginning.
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He was I I believe in transparency and.
I feel this could go under what I would call boundaries.
OK, these are things that you tell yourself.
No, not right now, but eventually that I think this
falls under that. Your profile section it goes
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under what you are looking. For well, I didn't think I was
ever going to like it. I felt violated at first.
I think that's why I was mad. But I was like, you know, wait a
minute, That actually felt good.You didn't stop so.
I did. Do you hear what he said?
He said the first time, remember, And we were wanting to
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say he said the 1st. Time and I know, I know people
are going to listen to this and they're like, yeah, that's
gross, man. Like how would you let someone
do it? You gotta try it.
Yes, one young remember we got that one in our pamphlet.
All right, listen up your ass and let's go back to let's go
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back to newbies. This ain't no newbie shit.
Newbies listening. That ain't no newbies.
Sorry if we scared. That on your first date, I'm
gonna sit out on your first date.
None of that right? This motherfucker took it to
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the. Anyway, try not to scare him,
OK? Yeah.
That's right. That's right.
That's right. Well, you know, evolved.
Get there. I didn't get there the first
day. OK.
This is a good one for you guys too.
Now, when you're on the site, this is important and I, I will
say this and and I know that everybody on here is going to
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ring these sentiments. When you get on the site, make
sure you put some effort into that goddamn profile and put
some pictures on there and miss dolls going to say something
that I don't really agree with Let.
Me clarify this OK, I'm going tosay this because.
Yeah, you can't clarify it untilI say.
I'm going to say it I. Was going to say, make sure you
fill out your profile. Pick a great profile name, put
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some thought into it. Don't be immin sexy couple 1234
Don't be fun curious by God don't be.
Clever. Put some thought into it yeah
don't be no legs we got $10,000 already none of those and put
pictures up and now guys, I'm going to tell you you're going
to want to leave with your best assets and I'm not going to tell
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you that ain't your biceps all right that's your lady leave
with that get the most pics you can on there and maybe throw one
of you on there like I said, miss dolls going to say
something that I don't agree with I'm.
Going to clarify this for you. OK, I get because I'm pretty
sure there's a few that are in there.
There are accounts. I will agree that it is single
guys who will post a picture as a couple, all right, and then
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have nothing but pictures of themselves.
OK, I get that. Where I want to clarify that is,
is that when you come in as a couple together and you've had
the talks and you've hit the boundaries and the rules and all
the things and you're ready to step forward and put your foot
into the water. Make sure you have pictures of
both of you together. 1 called pictures of you guys together,
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pictures of your wife, pictures of the husband.
All of it. Not just 1000 pictures of the
wife and like from the waist down one picture of the guy.
About Dick pics though, Tell me tell.
Me. I do like your Dick.
I do like your Dick. There goes the clip.
There goes the clown. I.
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Just. Wasn't talking, you know it's
it's it's from the RC and D all right, according Oh my God, how
do? You do you feel about a Dick pic
though? In the profile for these new
people, tell them from a woman's.
From a woman's perspective, we we have talked about this on
several occasions. I.
Want them to hear it on the diamond dirty part, Dick.
Pics are are fine, just angle. Angle matters, OK, and
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presentation. And please don't put a flacid
Dick on there. No one wants to see that.
No one wants. Listen, and I'm going to tell
you guys, I'm going to tell you dudes I'm booing the Dick pics
because listen, the worst thing a man could ever do is from a
man's perspective now is to put a Dick pic out in the world.
You know why? You know why you can't win?
If you put a giant Dick pic out there, you better come fucking
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with it. There's no off day in their.
Profile you've. Got to come under.
The naked wife There can be somenaked Dick in there too with
that profile just you got to make.
I'm telling God is all big for nothing.
They be talking. If you don't come with it,
listen, they're cracking up. They talk.
I sit around every Sunday when we have parties at our house.
We have a debrief in the morning.
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Anyone who was lucky enough to attend the after orgy gets up in
the morning. We have a little breakfast and
they're talking shit. They're talking shit on every
Dick that didn't work the night before, trust me.
And it predicts little. Don't post it right away because
they're talking shit. It's little, just don't post.
Personality only goes so far. I think at the end of the at the
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end of the day, at the end of the night, I should say it's
about if your Dick works or not.Yes, it.
Doesn't matter how big it is. That could be a problem.
Too. That's a huge problem.
Let's talk about that for the guys.
Let's talk about that's important now that's important.
Not me, we're. At a day and age where there's a
lot of resources out there for them to use, use it.
And do your research on it. Don't just go out there and just
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like grab something because someone said that it worked for
them. It may work for them, but that
doesn't mean it's going to work for you.
So do your research, talk to your doctor, get the information
that you need, but also don't beafraid to talk about it either.
And the performance thing is this is what led to Dean and I
to our our play styles because it was sort of the lifestyle
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epidemic. You know, people come into this
and they think, you know, it sounds good and there's 18
people on a bed, like freak off.But there's, there's 18 people
on a bed and lights, camera action fucking happens.
And everybody don't rise to the same occasion.
So you got to know that before you put yourself in these
situations. And in the same room, same room
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is where everyone tries to startusually.
But that's not a good place to offer everyone the Dean.
And I found out that, you know, people got more comfortable when
they separated and then performance got better.
So that's that's definitely something.
And then there's the other one where being on one of those ends
where having them, having the couple separated, it did not
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work better. They did better being closer to
their partner. And it's easier to hey, how
about we just go back that way? That's good.
You know what I think though, sometimes when I when in my
experience with same room, same room could be good, but a lot of
times what happens if the person's so connected to that
person, they don't concentrate on their partner And then this
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happens all the time. Don't let a sound come out or
noise come out that someone never heard before or some shit.
You'll. Fucking do night up, you'll
fucking do. Me and Chuck have seen people
leave orgy over no. Condoms.
Condoms can take it away too. If a guy is not used to
obviously using them with their wife anymore and then they come
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in and they have to put a condomon, that can totally throw a
whole wrench into the. Yeah, you might want to try
practicing at home couple of times before with a condom,
especially if it's been years since you've used one.
And. Always buy one of those pocket
pussies. Don't use no door axes.
Don't use. Don't use a door axe holy shit.
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But listen, I want to. I want to make sure I say this
always just assume condoms are amust.
You know, like in the in the lifestyle, everybody should be
using condoms unless you have a personal relationship with
someone. And you guys have talked about
it previously. Not in the moment, you know.
Oh, take it off, though, not right now.
We'll talk about this later. I think this falls under the
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same thing. I go back to the rules and
boundaries. It's something that the cowboy
and I have set in stone. Like rules are something that
are set in stone. They don't move period.
Boundaries are things that we are comfortable.
We're sort of not entirely comfortable we at, but that
doesn't mean that I can't changelater on down the road.
So condoms on us is for us is a rule.
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It doesn't bend, it doesn't break, it doesn't go anywhere.
So if it's on our profile, whichwill go back to the profile
part, you'll see it on our profile.
That's one of the first things we tell you is we use condoms.
We've actually had to tell someone no, we're not a good fit
because they refuse to use a condom because it didn't feel
good to them. Well, that's great.
I hope you find good luck because you don't like the way
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it feels. All right, cool.
Hope you find your people then, because we're not.
Now profile and listen. Here's what I want to say.
Profile name. It might sound stupid to you.
Make sure you put some thought and and also let me tell you
this the worst profile name I'veever heard.
I've heard all the fun sexies and the MN nicest, the worst
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profile name this. There's a person on this podcast
right now. There's the person on this
podcast right now with the absolute worst profile name of
all fucking time. What?
I had a few profile names. What are you talking about?
Too many profile names. Oh shit was.
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The worst profile name of all fucking time.
Well, our profile name at that time was called Lindsay Nice
Girl. And neither one of their names
were Lindsay. Yeah, we, our names were not
Lindsay. And the reason why we came up
with that name, just like a lot of people, you're putting a
profile together and that's the last thing you think about.
So you'd come up with something.And we came up with that because
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we had a single female friend atthe time that would, you know,
would join us and she would smoke a lot of pot.
And when she would get high, sheeverything would be like nice,
nice. And her name happened to be
Lindsay. So we just said Lindsay, nice
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girl. Let's just do that because her.
Profile. Yeah, because we wanted to flex
away from us and our names or whatever.
Just like most folks, you know, I come up with whatever.
Not much thought was put in it. No, not insight.
When I say that, that's the worst profile name I've heard in
all my years of doing this, do you agree?
I don't think it's the worst. Thought into it and still came
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up with that. Yeah, but I don't think it's the
worst. Listen, I checked people in at
these parties. So I hear some really bad
profile names like are you serious?
Sometimes they are. I swear to God, they're with
you. Sometimes they're embarrassed.
I mean, sometimes I try not to be obvious.
I look up like, really? And they know.
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They know. They're like, yeah, yeah.
Not a good name. And for those of you who don't
know, Chucky D is retired, but he does come out to the events
and you'll see him at the door sometime if you've never.
No, he did stay a couple hours this last time.
How was it for you, Chuck? It was tough.
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I'll tell you what, listen, it'sone of those things we, we that
should probably be another podcast about me being retired.
I wouldn't say I'm actually retired.
What's your status? OK, you know, I'm just out
there. Don't do my thing out there for.
Like what is that? Yeah, I would say it is.
I mean, I think if you take a look at my lifestyle and how
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I've transitioned through and evolved a lot of.
Big words, yeah. I started off from threesomes
all the way through the gamut ofsoft swap and full swap and
separate rooms I'm going to. Stop you there because now we're
going to bring that down since you said all of the terms.
Yeah, yes. For intro to Swinging people.
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Tell. Tell them what you think.
Yeah, tell them what you think that those things mean.
This is a good point for them. You're right.
I think most folks, if they weregoing to start in the lifestyle,
I think the easiest start would be a threesome.
They would be with the hardest to the.
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Hardest what do you think? So MFMM what's what's threesome
are you starting with? Everyone's, everyone's
preference is different. But I would say with my
preference, it was, you know, FFM, yeah, that's what we did.
FFM that's. Real hard to do.
What are you talking? That's terrible advice, people.
Everybody comes on. Everyone's.
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Taking their heads right now. Everybody comes on the site and
they're like, we're looking for a single lady.
Yeah, everybody's looking for a single lady.
Yeah, we all are. Sure, but but but to say tight.
Everyone has different preferences.
That was my preference at the time I.
Said be efficient here. What's the easiest way to get
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started? The easiest?
Like if you're going to start a play style.
If you're doing FFM, you're going to quit after the first
three months, but you're not going to have one.
If if you're a newbie, if you'rea newbie the first time out,
soft swap. No, it's not as fun but but
that's why I balled through that.
What is soft swap? What is that considered to you?
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So soft swap to me is that you're, you know, it's a
foursome, but you do, there's nopenetration.
You do everything else, but there's no penetration.
Would you be physically? It's your first time out.
Yeah, it did. Like I didn't realize what I was
doing and when I figured out what saw swap was I'm like,
we're not doing that again. Third.
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Base and then you're like shit and.
Yeah. Yeah, Oh my God, I got to go
home and fuck with my wife tonight.
That's what she said. Exactly.
And that's what happened. And that that was the one and
only time I saw swap after that.Then it, you know, transitioned
to full swap and same room, fullfull swap, same room.
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But that's when we started figuring out how we run into
problems, right? And it typically, well, I had no
problem. Like I had this thing called the
Mojo show. I would take my time, right?
There's foreplay involved. I mean, a lot of guys just want
to stick it in, not me. And and here's the thing, what I
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would find out is the other guy,because of my partner at the
time, she was somewhat intimidating and she would
sometimes turn people off. She was Jackass and and it would
intimidate the person that she was with and they could not
perform. So they ended up watching us.
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She once told me once during sexshe goes hey are we going to
wrap this up soon or not? Yeah, yeah, she was.
She was straightforward at times.
She had a cat. Pizza roll in the oven or
something. She was like, we're going to
wrap. This one time we were in the
same room and I was doing in themiddle of my mojo show and I was
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down on this girl and. And next thing you know, I hear
some giggling and I look up and it's my wife at the time and you
know, the person's husband, they're giggling at the woman
I'm with. Why?
Because she was having an orgasmand she was making noises that
she had not made before. And she started using her hands
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like this. And I and I look up.
I look up both of them, my wife at the time and her husband were
doing this. Like I was like, are you
serious? I mean, that ruined the mood.
And from that point on, I said to myself, Nope, we're going to
do separate rooms. I can't.
I can't do that. She was a habitual mood ruiner
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too. She was.
She was so many moods. It was like her goal when we
came out for the evening to ruinthe mood.
Wanted to yeah, actually now transition to full swap separate
rooms, which I enjoy. I actually enjoyed hearing my
wife down the hall, right. And then from there we
transitioned to dating separately and landed.
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That What are you at today? If you're not retired, what
would you say you are today? I would say I'm in a ethically
non monogamous relationship so Igo on dates.
Does your wife? People from the lifestyle does
she what? Does your wife go on dates?
No, I would love for her to go on dates.
I actually want to set her up ina MFM situation.
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I I would like to see her in that scenario in particular with
the Kenyan because she, she has a thing for African men, she
said some, she, she said some. Time, specifically the Kenyan.
Well, she spent some time there in in Kenya.
So anyway, but I would like to be a part of that, you know?
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Wait, you want to be one of the Mississippi in the Yeah.
But it's an MFM, not an MF. Right.
But you want to be one of them, not her with two.
Yeah. Separate.
Yeah, absolutely. You don't want to be what he's
trying to say. He's trying to say that's what
he's saying. I mean, sometimes it happens
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right in the MFM, sometimes it touches and.
That's another thing. Tell the guys about that then.
Well, which one? It happens the sword crossing or
you know the. Yeah, DVP.
Or, you know, maybe she's getting or to bolt and she gets
a little crazy. She's sticking both in her
(44:38):
mouth. I mean, it happens, you know,
you just got to block it out. That's what I do.
I block it out. And look, you guys have to talk
about this because like you said, if it's same room, because
the girls are going to probably start playing around or whatever
and then there's going to be bodies tangled.
So you're going to come across it.
And guys, again, with the drinking a condom on a dude real
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close in proximity, you got to be ready for this.
A lot of things can show you, throw you off your stroke.
Odyssey can throw you off your fucking stroke, man.
Oh, prepare yourself. Talk about this.
Definitely talk about it beforehand.
I can't say practice isn't your first time, but.
Yeah, it's not, it's not like the porn videos on Pornhub or
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xhamster, you know, I mean, it doesn't happen like that.
Miss Doll, did he accurately describe the different types of
play he went into? So many different types.
Some weird shit we didn't. Even know, but I think one that
we've come across a lot that we've heard is parallel, just
two couples just playing with their partners, but in the same
room. That's his worst.
(45:42):
Do that. Hey, I'm I'm with you.
I'm with you, but parallel play.We were at a party one time.
You wasted 5. 100 miles away. Yeah.
My wife actually came in to me at a house party.
People were playing upstairs. And she comes downstairs because
something didn't work out. And in front of everyone, she
goes, hey, let's go upstairs. Well, I was a little reckless
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that night. And I said you and me, I was
like, no. We doing that?
30 people. He said that like no, he just
called me. He blurted it out loudly, like
no, me and you What? She was humiliated.
You can see her face like she was.
Like I'll in bed. That was wrong that I should
have done that. I should have went upstairs.
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But then you said you had swap, swap, and then you had the full
swap, and then you said DVP. You need the double vaginal
penetration. Say it out loud, otherwise
everyone's going to go, what theheck is that?
Because they've heard it DP, which is double penetration.
But then you add that V in thereand well.
Yeah, and DVP when Dicks is going to touch guys, just so you
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know. Yeah, you read that Dicks are
touching. I was going.
For. The record I.
Was going for the DVD. Membrane they're.
Still touching, all right, A very thin You're still touching.
Listen. DVP for.
A dude is way worse than DPI canfeel the I can feel vein on vein
(47:09):
DVP like you. Don't.
You don't have to, but for thoseof us who enjoy it, back off my
fruit basket, would you? Don't yuck my Yum I'm.
Just saying at this stage, this stage of my game, if someone
offers me that I'm, I'm likely going to climb.
I had a, let me tell you, my, myD, my DPDVP.
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Well, it was the only time whereI ever had to worry about it, so
I went with this couple. It was going to be MFM, right?
So we go back to their house andas we go in, soon as we come in
the door, the first thing you see to the left is a shrine.
It's just championships of karate and shit, like karate
dojos and swords and all kind ofshit up there, right?
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So I see it, we end up going upstairs and we start playing
around, right? The dudes in the front, I'm in
the back the whole time. We don't touch.
We're we're not even interacting.
I'm back there going to town. Boom, boom, boom.
It comes out. Nothing, nothing unnormal.
It comes out before I could put it in.
The man grabs it. Put it in for.
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Me, yeah. It grabs it, right, Right.
I didn't read none of this. I didn't agree to none of this.
But as he grabs it and puts it back in, I have a decision to
make. Now, people, remember I told you
when I walked in the door, therewas Dojo championships and
swords and shit to the left. I'm butt naked in this man's
house, seemingly with my Dick inhis.
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So you're by comfortable. If you want to make a decision
whether I was going to act up orwhether I was going to keep
fucking, I kept fucking. He's a fucking donut.
Chuck is saying with the profilething, make sure you put the
things extra. I'm going to say it just be
extra. Put all the things that you're
comfortable with or that you even want to try.
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Make sure that is information that is in your profile.
You should because buy comfortable.
We've had this debate for many years.
Yes, yeah. On the dude's profile then
ladies you chime in what you think.
We me and Chuck have this debatestill to this day.
We've been debating this for 15 fucking years.
When it says buy comfortable, what does that mean to you?
I comfortable. You don't mind someone grabbing
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your Dick and you are buy comfortable.
I don't care. If they're fine or.
Not actually OK, I have to find my notes that I took on this.
I'll have well, I'm going to have to come back to this
because we have end up creating a spice level.
OK, so you know how like BuffaloWild Wings has their hot sauces.
I'm trying to figure this out because for this exact reason,
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right. You say that by comfortable.
Well, there's like this entire like thing that you can break
down from, you know, dry rub basically Fred, if you want to
go that route, all the way down to like super spicy to like
ghost pepper style, right? And so it's those levels of
where does Bicontripro fall into?
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And it is really you are bisexual and you're comfortable
in any aspect sexually, non sexually.
That's why it's important to putit in your profile exactly what
you mean. So if you list that you're bi
comfortable, you should list give a little more of an
explanation as to what that means.
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Wait, Dean, what do you think bicomfortable means?
I want to hear her. I want to hear what she has to
say. It means to me because again, I
think it means different things to different people.
To me it means. I mean to you, but I'm going to
tell them on you. It means that I don't care if
people are bi. I personally am not by, but I am
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by comfortable. I think women are beautiful.
Personally, I will kiss them. Hey, hey, the producer, she
knows what we call you. We call you bicentennial.
Every every cycle around. I'll look over and my my wife
will be entrenched with her. I'm like, what is she doing?
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Over there like she's. Not even into this shit like
sometimes. I just get in the moment.
That means I'm very comfortable if.
I wanted to hear what her what her version of it was.
There's once once every blue moon, once every 2-3 years.
I'll I'll see her getting wild and wet over there.
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Year's 2022 C&D event. So that is where we landed in
this whole fun charade. I mean, doll, what do you want
to see on the down and there What what's your goal?
I know we sort of tell our people on the real couple next
door what we were going to do. What is your goal and what you
want to see with the Down and Dirty podcast?
Where do you want to see it go? Like, what are some of the
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things you want to see us doing?Want to be able to not only be
able to tell fun stories, but give a lot of really good
information that everyone can pluck something different from
and get some use out of it and also get to know us and the way
that we crazily interact with each other.
Well, it's good we like we. I need a female voice around
here, and tonight we got two. That might be two too many.
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But no, it's not. That might be so too many maybe
if you guys keep listening long enough you're here to bloopers
reel of what happened before we even got on tonight we did an
hour of me and my wife. I think they heard us.
We almost killed each other on the other end over here, but.
There was a lot of technical difficulties.
No, it might be. Yes, yes, we're like working
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remote, like she's in a far off land and we're like 20 feet away
from each other. But well, Miss Doll, thank you
for that. And Chucky D listen all the
time. We were just about to introduce
him and he leaves. Where do you go?
Don't. Let your dog in.
Everybody here, it's a family affair at the C&D studios.
Do they get treats or what? Did they get treatment?
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They can wait. If people want to hear you, get
into first of all, sorry. Roscoe OK, here we go.
Hello, everyone. Roscoe.
Yeah, yeah. I've been around for a while.
I can't remember. There's not much I can remember.
I I I can say I met the professor and the Dean.
What did we say last time was? It the professor, don't you?
You hate that, don't you? I do I.
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Do I do that's that's because one of the one of his wives is
the professor or something or. Yes.
Is that why you don't like calling him 4?
No, that's not it. No, I, I, I met these two.
Gosh, when was it, 2014? No.
Shit, we met in 2006. I met you when I heard the
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first. I moved here.
See, you're you're That's right.You're that's right, I am that
old and that's when I met give. You a pass, you're retired.
Met the professor when he was disguising himself as a creepy
single male for my wife and I. But no, I've been on a few sites
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with a few wives and it's that sounds well.
That sounds crazy. What?
This is not that type of people.This just sounds crazy.
Listen, I, I think, I think I, I'm able, you know, bring, I
bring to the table a lot of experience, definitely a lot of
different perspectives on the lifestyle.
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I've seen a lot and I think overall though, it's been fun,
been real fun. It's been a journey for sure.
And and my lovely wife, the Dean, could you introduce
yourself to the people? For those who haven't heard it
probably heard you on old down and dirty episodes, but
reintroduce yourself. Well, I am the Dean, the
professor and I have been together for almost 30 years.
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We have been in the life. You are old.
We have been in the lifestyle for I don't even know how long.
I swear like 31 years. I said that.
I said that 20. Nine years.
We're real close. It's been a long time and we, I
mean, when we started, it was wehad to go to truck stops.
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I'm not joking. I don't.
Think it sound like creepy perv like we were like in the back,
you know we had a. Lizard lot.
We had to go to truck stops and get.
Yeah, a lot Lizard. Is that what they call them lot?
Lizard. But yeah, we had to go to truck
stops and get get those magazines, lifestyle magazines
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and then like literally write a letter on an envelope.
Did we really do that? She's like, I can't believe
myself. You don't know where they're at,
but I know. Where they're at and then wait
for a response. It was so crazy.
It was weird and we've never gota response.
This is the great part about this is we no one has ever
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responded to us doing that method.
We had to wait like four years. We didn't.
We started swinging and didn't actually hook up for four years.
But yeah, go ahead with. Other people, we we got hooked
up. We're talking swinging here.
I know. Yeah.
Well, so those are going to be, well, the Dean won't be on all
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the time, but Missus Doll and Chuck B will be joining me
myself all the time on the show and the producer, David.
So we just wanted to introduce ourselves so you know, who will
be talking to you every so often.
And then also what we want to dois one of the things we'll be
doing is getting live calls in or questions or emails in, and
then we'll talk about them on the show sometime.
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And we'll also have guests ranging from all different areas
of the lifestyle, all the peripheries of the lifestyle.
We're going to have some therapists on Chuck D's lovely
fourth wife. Come on and help.
Us. Well, technically she's my
third. Had the other one and all.
That's right, that's a whole another story, so.
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Yeah. So one of the main things we got
when we got the preliminary stuff in was about how to get
into swinging. That was one of the main
questions that we saw so. And also before you take off
with that professor, make sure if you do have any questions
before he opens this up is go tothe Down and Dirty podcast.com
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to submit your questions to us. Oh, there you go.
See, I've never said that. Now you can go ahead.
Now you can go ahead and tell them what the first question was
that we have been asked most recently I.
Was just going to say we're going to just talked to people
about how to get into swinging today and you know, sort of some
insights on how we all got into swinging, but just some just
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general tips, do's and fucking don'ts.
And what I would say is just, you know, when you first open up
that Internet browser or you've been sitting around watching
2020 and seeing some shit about some swingers and you went on
one of these big sites, it's a little intimidating, I could
tell you. Well, I'm talking from my, my
advice is going to be outdated. Like my wife just said, we
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looked at pamphlets and magazines.
But the first thing you could dois to find what is the prevalent
site in your area is what I would say.
So I would say that's going to cut out a lot of your fucking
worries once you find out, you know, whatever city you're in,
we're talking Minnesota, South Dakota, North Dakota region
here, but that's going to be couples next door.
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But obviously if you're in another place, you want to find
out, do some leg work and find asite.
Now, did you guys all start on the site?
I'm assuming, or I'm sure Chuck's starting on like fucking
Craigslist or something. He's still on Craigslist
Villain. 'S voice, but.
Do they even have Craigslist? Still no I don't.
No, I never no, they don't. They they shut that well, they
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shut that down for the personals.
What's your friend told me that so.
Where did Where did you start atthen?
I started well. I remember how I got into the
idea was I was sitting in that Hilton Garden Inn watching an
HBO special and it was about swing stock.
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Real sex with my man Glenn Skinny.
Yeah, real sex. Real.
Sex. I've seen the same.
Swing Stock. We've seen the same episode me
and. The So I saw that episode and
I'm like Minnesota. I know, I know where that is,
you know. So I started looking it up at
the time I was with my second ex-wife and she asked me what I
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wanted for my birthday. I said a threesome and she said
OK. And our first site was it was
trial by error. We went on a site that was
dominantly an an older, you know, population.
Of swingers you at this time andin relationship to what you.
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Were looking well. I was in my 30s.
My wife at the time was in her 20s.
I was seeing if you'd gone lie to the people, I was going to
call your ass out if you'd lie you.
Know and the site I would say the average age was probably mid
50s. Oh.
That's why you and we started. You like that?
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Yeah, yeah, I know. But we, there was some helpful
people on the site that told us we really don't belong on there.
And then they kind of directed us to another site and then from
there just took off. You know, there's more people
our age or close to it. They had a, a website set up,
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they had parties and it was great.
So that's how we took off with that.
Only ever used websites, though.You didn't, you didn't you?
Wasn't in the magazine era or like Yahoo Chat and shit.
No, come on, man. Come on, Dean.
You know we used to get people off of them.
Yahoo Chat. I mean, sure.
I mean, we, you know, I would say probably AFF that's still
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around, right? AFF That's the wild, Wild West.
Yeah, it was. Sometimes that stuff scares the
shit out of you too. But is that still around AFF?
Oh yeah, that didn't. Go nowhere.
It's huge. OK, All right.
And then from there, people I think blossom to like that life
and stuff like that. And amongst other swinger sites.
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I don't know, there's lots out there when she started looking.
She's laughing, she's still cracking up and.
She probably was a middle schoolwinner, she thought.
About it she. Was like what was I doing in O
6? Somebody's going to feel.
That old all right But that is the year that I did meet the
cowboy well we started off with we started off at a different
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site it was all website based OKand have Flyers pamphlets I.
Was one step away from carrier pigeon, yeah.
No, but well, First off, I like to state the fact that like if
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we're talking about swinging oneO 1, yes, finding a website is a
good start, but you and your partner need to be on the same
page first. Don't just go thrown out and
saying, Hey, I want to go check out the site for or whatever.
You know. I mean, make sure that you guys
have had an in depth conversation a tad bit on like
what are the are you like after for like a fantasy purpose, like
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Chuck D said, like a threesome? Are you into it for the social
aspect of it and that's all you're there for is just to be a
voyeur and watch everyone dance around half naked?
Or are you in it to add extra spice to what you already
currently have? But you have to have a solid
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foundation First off. You don't go into it trying to
fix a marital mess. Oh God.
No people come. In for the wrong so I you know
that is my only because obviously you know the cowboy
and I have spent a fair amount of time talking with a whole
bunch of new couples that have come in and to the lifestyle
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most recently that we do kind ofhave a modified list that we run
down forum like have the conversation like get in depth
with it and you have to crack open all the vaults.
Don't go hide in anything. I like that.
That might be in our our book too.
For the real couples. Remember all the uncracked?
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All the vaults. Mark that one, he tells them on
the first date he'll meet somebody in the vanilla roll and
be like, yeah, so I'm in the swing the.
Vault. Comes open with Chuck.
Well, I think with me, the reason why I do that is because
I truly believe in transparency.So I I think no matter what
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approach you take, there needs to be transparency, you know, in
any relationship for that matter.
I want to add to what Miss Doll was saying, was saying too,
about, you know, open all the vaults and it's so important to
be honest about how you're feeling with your partner.
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If something is bothering you, make sure you discuss it, you
know. Because if you don't and if you
don't like, the first thing that's going to happen is that
you'll find yourself in a situation where you're either
going into a a date with anothercouple or you're adding a third
person into it. And then you or your partner
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does something with that other person.
And guess what? You have your first sense of a
feel, whatever that could be. Jealousy you're going to feel.
You're going to have all the feels.
And if you haven't opened. This shit almost 30 years are
her and and you get all the feelings.
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You'll get a range of emotions on different shit.
You won't even know when it comes up like oh shit, what
happened like this about this? I thought I was cool, so get all
that shit out the way. But I got a question for all of
you guys. So when you do get started in
your own experience, what do youthink the best?
What do you, I won't say the best, what do you think the most
efficient way is? I'm trying to get these dudes,
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these new people pro tips. What do you think the most
efficient way is to get going? Like go on a date, go to an
event meeting. What do you guys think?
In your opinion, the most efficient way is to get the ball
rolling? Start off on a website.
Yeah, go. Ahead, Dean, you can answer
first. So because we are so experienced
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and have tried everything our. Everything.
Everything, everything. Our best advice is to meet at an
event and and. We're not just saying that
because we take your money for it.
I. Was just saying it doesn't have
to be our event, but just me at an event.
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And the reason why is because, you know, you got to get
sitters, you have to get your outfit right and everything.
Get it. Yeah.
Get your nails done, makeup done.
Brazilian wax, right? Brazilian wax, that's.
The story. Finish.
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So that way when you meet the other couple or the other
person, if there's not a connection, then you have other
people that you can talk to, youcan socialize, you can, you'll
be there to, you know, dance or,you know, do other things and
you didn't waste your whole night on one meeting that may or
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may not have worked. 500,000 bucks on one meeting and you're
kicking yourself under the tableand we got to get the fuck out
of here. You're going to be mad.
Go to the events. But listen, fuck them events for
right now. I want to tell you guys this
Brazilian rock story since he bought it up.
Oh. Jesus.
What the audience doesn't know this is that me and Chuck D are
best friends. We've been best friends for
almost 15 fucking years now. So I know all these intimate
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details. So one my wife used to go to a
place to get Brazilian wax right?
So I'm down there and the lady'sjoking with me and she goes are
you getting one too? And I said no.
And she goes why your friend get1 And I said who?
And goes oh this is the same lady comes too.
So she's telling me this, I'm onthe phone.
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I'm on the phone calling and I see my wife get on all fours on
this bench and the lady spreads her fucking cheeks and fucking
puts the cream in or whatever she does and and Chuck answered
the phone. Why does this goes on and I said
is it the same shit you'll be doing?
Oh, yeah. Hey, you know what?
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I love it. I love Brazilian waxes.
And I tell you what, the partners I deal with, they loved
it too, OK? And no, I'm serious, OK.
And then I'm sure there's a lot of people out there, they have
been in that scenario where theyget down there is that.
What you're saying a lot of people on their lick booty?
I, I, I compare that to like your first experience had a
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bidet. You, you know, you remember that
first experience had bidet. Like you got on there, you
weren't quite sure. But then when the water started
squirting, you're like, Oh my God, this is so good.
The same thing with the Brazilian wax.
It feels good and your partner will appreciate it.
That's going to be another podcast.
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Actually, I mean, that really goes along with new swinging,
right? You want to make sure that you
bring yourself and you're ready and you know so.
Waxing. Is a normal part for a lot of
men and women. There's not endangered species.
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For the record, I do like my assOK And, and hey, hey, I can
admit that. Listen, first time that happened
to me, I was mad. I tell you what, I wasn't.
I wasn't expecting it. I wasn't expecting it.
Wow, What? Happened.
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Well, it was someone a professorof the Dean we we know she used
to, she used to drink. She used to drink a lot, get
silly. Anyway, her partner almost moved
to Connecticut. We know who we're talking about.
So she. Did it to me.
What's that? I don't know.
You don't need to know. Tell the story.
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Yeah, so anyway, we're pregnant right now and she was all down
there. No, not right now.
OK. Like it's just a matter of what?
Dean said she didn't know who and then the professor said
later, not right now to knowing.Who it was Professor text me and
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tell me who it is. I need to know why he's telling
this story, no? OK, so anyway, OK.
Good. So we're playing and, you know,
again, this is. Yeah.
I think Miss Dahl mentioned thisearlier about, you know, find
out what you like. Well, I didn't know what I
liked, and I was figuring out I was evolving, right.
So what I thought, you know, having a blowjob was great.
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I'm like, yeah. Then next thing you know, you
meet someone who's experienced and they start, you know, going
down under, start putting the balls in their mouth.
I'm like, yeah, I like this. When I had this one, she started
going down down after she shot you.
Just you go with it, right? And you're like, where are they
going? Like, oh, they're there.
And you're like, and they just started thinking, Oh my God,
(23:50):
it's too late by then. And they're just down there
doing it. And I was like, I didn't know
how to feel. The only thing I could feel.
Was the legs like going back over your shoulder and like
well. I think the first time it
happened, I just, you know, theywere guiding me so you could
tell they were experienced and so they they propped my knees up
and I'm like made me feel comfortable.
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I was just shocked. I was just shocked at first.
OK, so. Wait.
Wait, wait, wait. We have to know, was this before
or after you started to get Brazilian waxed?
Yes, yes, that's important. I know the.
Answer. It was before, I'll admit it, it
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was before. The.
Jungle at the ball sat yeah, I was I was in my my bathtub
crouched down and I had a razor underneath there and I was just
stopping right at the back of the ball sack.
And but I will say this though, I will say this.
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I would say probably after the 3rd, No, after the yeah, the 3rd
or 4th Brazilian wash. It feels so good.
And the next thing you know, when you're playing with
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someone, you just offer it up, you serve it up.
You assume the decision like I did Salon and they said a lot
either they, they know what theywant, then they, they know what
you want. I call that transparency.
You see, now it comes full circle.
It comes back to where his main tenant was at the beginning.
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He was I I believe in transparency and.
I feel this could go under what I would call boundaries.
OK, these are things that you tell yourself.
No, not right now, but eventually that I think this
falls under that. Your profile section it goes
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under what you are looking. For well, I didn't think I was
ever going to like it. I felt violated at first.
I think that's why I was mad. But I was like, you know, wait a
minute, That actually felt good.You didn't stop so.
I did. Do you hear what he said?
He said the first time, remember, And we were wanting to
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say he said the 1st. Time and I know, I know people
are going to listen to this and they're like, yeah, that's
gross, man. Like how would you let someone
do it? You gotta try it.
Yes, one young remember we got that one in our pamphlet.
All right, listen up your ass and let's go back to let's go
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back to newbies. This ain't no newbie shit.
Newbies listening. That ain't no newbies.
Sorry if we scared. That on your first date, I'm
gonna sit out on your first date.
None of that right? This motherfucker took it to
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the. Anyway, try not to scare him,
OK? Yeah.
That's right. That's right.
That's right. Well, you know, evolved.
Get there. I didn't get there the first
day. OK.
This is a good one for you guys too.
Now, when you're on the site, this is important and I, I will
say this and and I know that everybody on here is going to
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ring these sentiments. When you get on the site, make
sure you put some effort into that goddamn profile and put
some pictures on there and miss dolls going to say something
that I don't really agree with Let.
Me clarify this OK, I'm going tosay this because.
Yeah, you can't clarify it untilI say.
I'm going to say it I. Was going to say, make sure you
fill out your profile. Pick a great profile name, put
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some thought into it. Don't be immin sexy couple 1234
Don't be fun curious by God don't be.
Clever. Put some thought into it yeah
don't be no legs we got $10,000 already none of those and put
pictures up and now guys, I'm going to tell you you're going
to want to leave with your best assets and I'm not going to tell
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you that ain't your biceps all right that's your lady leave
with that get the most pics you can on there and maybe throw one
of you on there like I said, miss dolls going to say
something that I don't agree with I'm.
Going to clarify this for you. OK, I get because I'm pretty
sure there's a few that are in there.
There are accounts. I will agree that it is single
guys who will post a picture as a couple, all right, and then
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have nothing but pictures of themselves.
OK, I get that. Where I want to clarify that is,
is that when you come in as a couple together and you've had
the talks and you've hit the boundaries and the rules and all
the things and you're ready to step forward and put your foot
into the water. Make sure you have pictures of
both of you together. 1 called pictures of you guys together,
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pictures of your wife, pictures of the husband.
All of it. Not just 1000 pictures of the
wife and like from the waist down one picture of the guy.
About Dick pics though, Tell me tell.
Me. I do like your Dick.
I do like your Dick. There goes the clip.
There goes the clown. I.
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Just. Wasn't talking, you know it's
it's it's from the RC and D all right, according Oh my God, how
do? You do you feel about a Dick pic
though? In the profile for these new
people, tell them from a woman's.
From a woman's perspective, we we have talked about this on
several occasions. I.
Want them to hear it on the diamond dirty part, Dick.
Pics are are fine, just angle. Angle matters, OK, and
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presentation. And please don't put a flacid
Dick on there. No one wants to see that.
No one wants. Listen, and I'm going to tell
you guys, I'm going to tell you dudes I'm booing the Dick pics
because listen, the worst thing a man could ever do is from a
man's perspective now is to put a Dick pic out in the world.
You know why? You know why you can't win?
If you put a giant Dick pic out there, you better come fucking
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with it. There's no off day in their.
Profile you've. Got to come under.
The naked wife There can be somenaked Dick in there too with
that profile just you got to make.
I'm telling God is all big for nothing.
They be talking. If you don't come with it,
listen, they're cracking up. They talk.
I sit around every Sunday when we have parties at our house.
We have a debrief in the morning.
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Anyone who was lucky enough to attend the after orgy gets up in
the morning. We have a little breakfast and
they're talking shit. They're talking shit on every
Dick that didn't work the night before, trust me.
And it predicts little. Don't post it right away because
they're talking shit. It's little, just don't post.
Personality only goes so far. I think at the end of the at the
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end of the day, at the end of the night, I should say it's
about if your Dick works or not.Yes, it.
Doesn't matter how big it is. That could be a problem.
Too. That's a huge problem.
Let's talk about that for the guys.
Let's talk about that's important now that's important.
Not me, we're. At a day and age where there's a
lot of resources out there for them to use, use it.
And do your research on it. Don't just go out there and just
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like grab something because someone said that it worked for
them. It may work for them, but that
doesn't mean it's going to work for you.
So do your research, talk to your doctor, get the information
that you need, but also don't beafraid to talk about it either.
And the performance thing is this is what led to Dean and I
to our our play styles because it was sort of the lifestyle
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epidemic. You know, people come into this
and they think, you know, it sounds good and there's 18
people on a bed, like freak off.But there's, there's 18 people
on a bed and lights, camera action fucking happens.
And everybody don't rise to the same occasion.
So you got to know that before you put yourself in these
situations. And in the same room, same room
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is where everyone tries to startusually.
But that's not a good place to offer everyone the Dean.
And I found out that, you know, people got more comfortable when
they separated and then performance got better.
So that's that's definitely something.
And then there's the other one where being on one of those ends
where having them, having the couple separated, it did not
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work better. They did better being closer to
their partner. And it's easier to hey, how
about we just go back that way? That's good.
You know what I think though, sometimes when I when in my
experience with same room, same room could be good, but a lot of
times what happens if the person's so connected to that
person, they don't concentrate on their partner And then this
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happens all the time. Don't let a sound come out or
noise come out that someone never heard before or some shit.
You'll. Fucking do night up, you'll
fucking do. Me and Chuck have seen people
leave orgy over no. Condoms.
Condoms can take it away too. If a guy is not used to
obviously using them with their wife anymore and then they come
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in and they have to put a condomon, that can totally throw a
whole wrench into the. Yeah, you might want to try
practicing at home couple of times before with a condom,
especially if it's been years since you've used one.
And. Always buy one of those pocket
pussies. Don't use no door axes.
Don't use. Don't use a door axe holy shit.
(34:30):
But listen, I want to. I want to make sure I say this
always just assume condoms are amust.
You know, like in the in the lifestyle, everybody should be
using condoms unless you have a personal relationship with
someone. And you guys have talked about
it previously. Not in the moment, you know.
Oh, take it off, though, not right now.
We'll talk about this later. I think this falls under the
(34:52):
same thing. I go back to the rules and
boundaries. It's something that the cowboy
and I have set in stone. Like rules are something that
are set in stone. They don't move period.
Boundaries are things that we are comfortable.
We're sort of not entirely comfortable we at, but that
doesn't mean that I can't changelater on down the road.
So condoms on us is for us is a rule.
(35:13):
It doesn't bend, it doesn't break, it doesn't go anywhere.
So if it's on our profile, whichwill go back to the profile
part, you'll see it on our profile.
That's one of the first things we tell you is we use condoms.
We've actually had to tell someone no, we're not a good fit
because they refuse to use a condom because it didn't feel
good to them. Well, that's great.
I hope you find good luck because you don't like the way
(35:36):
it feels. All right, cool.
Hope you find your people then, because we're not.
Now profile and listen. Here's what I want to say.
Profile name. It might sound stupid to you.
Make sure you put some thought and and also let me tell you
this the worst profile name I'veever heard.
I've heard all the fun sexies and the MN nicest, the worst
(35:58):
profile name this. There's a person on this podcast
right now. There's the person on this
podcast right now with the absolute worst profile name of
all fucking time. What?
I had a few profile names. What are you talking about?
Too many profile names. Oh shit was.
(36:18):
The worst profile name of all fucking time.
Well, our profile name at that time was called Lindsay Nice
Girl. And neither one of their names
were Lindsay. Yeah, we, our names were not
Lindsay. And the reason why we came up
with that name, just like a lot of people, you're putting a
profile together and that's the last thing you think about.
So you'd come up with something.And we came up with that because
(36:40):
we had a single female friend atthe time that would, you know,
would join us and she would smoke a lot of pot.
And when she would get high, sheeverything would be like nice,
nice. And her name happened to be
Lindsay. So we just said Lindsay, nice
(37:01):
girl. Let's just do that because her.
Profile. Yeah, because we wanted to flex
away from us and our names or whatever.
Just like most folks, you know, I come up with whatever.
Not much thought was put in it. No, not insight.
When I say that, that's the worst profile name I've heard in
all my years of doing this, do you agree?
I don't think it's the worst. Thought into it and still came
(37:22):
up with that. Yeah, but I don't think it's the
worst. Listen, I checked people in at
these parties. So I hear some really bad
profile names like are you serious?
Sometimes they are. I swear to God, they're with
you. Sometimes they're embarrassed.
I mean, sometimes I try not to be obvious.
I look up like, really? And they know.
(37:43):
They know. They're like, yeah, yeah.
Not a good name. And for those of you who don't
know, Chucky D is retired, but he does come out to the events
and you'll see him at the door sometime if you've never.
No, he did stay a couple hours this last time.
How was it for you, Chuck? It was tough.
(38:04):
I'll tell you what, listen, it'sone of those things we, we that
should probably be another podcast about me being retired.
I wouldn't say I'm actually retired.
What's your status? OK, you know, I'm just out
there. Don't do my thing out there for.
Like what is that? Yeah, I would say it is.
I mean, I think if you take a look at my lifestyle and how
(38:26):
I've transitioned through and evolved a lot of.
Big words, yeah. I started off from threesomes
all the way through the gamut ofsoft swap and full swap and
separate rooms I'm going to. Stop you there because now we're
going to bring that down since you said all of the terms.
Yeah, yes. For intro to Swinging people.
(38:48):
Tell. Tell them what you think.
Yeah, tell them what you think that those things mean.
This is a good point for them. You're right.
I think most folks, if they weregoing to start in the lifestyle,
I think the easiest start would be a threesome.
They would be with the hardest to the.
(39:09):
Hardest what do you think? So MFMM what's what's threesome
are you starting with? Everyone's, everyone's
preference is different. But I would say with my
preference, it was, you know, FFM, yeah, that's what we did.
FFM that's. Real hard to do.
What are you talking? That's terrible advice, people.
Everybody comes on. Everyone's.
(39:30):
Taking their heads right now. Everybody comes on the site and
they're like, we're looking for a single lady.
Yeah, everybody's looking for a single lady.
Yeah, we all are. Sure, but but but to say tight.
Everyone has different preferences.
That was my preference at the time I.
Said be efficient here. What's the easiest way to get
(39:51):
started? The easiest?
Like if you're going to start a play style.
If you're doing FFM, you're going to quit after the first
three months, but you're not going to have one.
If if you're a newbie, if you'rea newbie the first time out,
soft swap. No, it's not as fun but but
that's why I balled through that.
What is soft swap? What is that considered to you?
(40:13):
So soft swap to me is that you're, you know, it's a
foursome, but you do, there's nopenetration.
You do everything else, but there's no penetration.
Would you be physically? It's your first time out.
Yeah, it did. Like I didn't realize what I was
doing and when I figured out what saw swap was I'm like,
we're not doing that again. Third.
(40:33):
Base and then you're like shit and.
Yeah. Yeah, Oh my God, I got to go
home and fuck with my wife tonight.
That's what she said. Exactly.
And that's what happened. And that that was the one and
only time I saw swap after that.Then it, you know, transitioned
to full swap and same room, fullfull swap, same room.
(40:56):
But that's when we started figuring out how we run into
problems, right? And it typically, well, I had no
problem. Like I had this thing called the
Mojo show. I would take my time, right?
There's foreplay involved. I mean, a lot of guys just want
to stick it in, not me. And and here's the thing, what I
(41:17):
would find out is the other guy,because of my partner at the
time, she was somewhat intimidating and she would
sometimes turn people off. She was Jackass and and it would
intimidate the person that she was with and they could not
perform. So they ended up watching us.
(41:38):
She once told me once during sexshe goes hey are we going to
wrap this up soon or not? Yeah, yeah, she was.
She was straightforward at times.
She had a cat. Pizza roll in the oven or
something. She was like, we're going to
wrap. This one time we were in the
same room and I was doing in themiddle of my mojo show and I was
(41:59):
down on this girl and. And next thing you know, I hear
some giggling and I look up and it's my wife at the time and you
know, the person's husband, they're giggling at the woman
I'm with. Why?
Because she was having an orgasmand she was making noises that
she had not made before. And she started using her hands
(42:22):
like this. And I and I look up.
I look up both of them, my wife at the time and her husband were
doing this. Like I was like, are you
serious? I mean, that ruined the mood.
And from that point on, I said to myself, Nope, we're going to
do separate rooms. I can't.
I can't do that. She was a habitual mood ruiner
(42:44):
too. She was.
She was so many moods. It was like her goal when we
came out for the evening to ruinthe mood.
Wanted to yeah, actually now transition to full swap separate
rooms, which I enjoy. I actually enjoyed hearing my
wife down the hall, right. And then from there we
transitioned to dating separately and landed.
(43:06):
That What are you at today? If you're not retired, what
would you say you are today? I would say I'm in a ethically
non monogamous relationship so Igo on dates.
Does your wife? People from the lifestyle does
she what? Does your wife go on dates?
No, I would love for her to go on dates.
I actually want to set her up ina MFM situation.
(43:29):
I I would like to see her in that scenario in particular with
the Kenyan because she, she has a thing for African men, she
said some, she, she said some. Time, specifically the Kenyan.
Well, she spent some time there in in Kenya.
So anyway, but I would like to be a part of that, you know?
(43:54):
Wait, you want to be one of the Mississippi in the Yeah.
But it's an MFM, not an MF. Right.
But you want to be one of them, not her with two.
Yeah. Separate.
Yeah, absolutely. You don't want to be what he's
trying to say. He's trying to say that's what
he's saying. I mean, sometimes it happens
(44:17):
right in the MFM, sometimes it touches and.
That's another thing. Tell the guys about that then.
Well, which one? It happens the sword crossing or
you know the. Yeah, DVP.
Or, you know, maybe she's getting or to bolt and she gets
a little crazy. She's sticking both in her
(44:38):
mouth. I mean, it happens, you know,
you just got to block it out. That's what I do.
I block it out. And look, you guys have to talk
about this because like you said, if it's same room, because
the girls are going to probably start playing around or whatever
and then there's going to be bodies tangled.
So you're going to come across it.
And guys, again, with the drinking a condom on a dude real
(45:01):
close in proximity, you got to be ready for this.
A lot of things can show you, throw you off your stroke.
Odyssey can throw you off your fucking stroke, man.
Oh, prepare yourself. Talk about this.
Definitely talk about it beforehand.
I can't say practice isn't your first time, but.
Yeah, it's not, it's not like the porn videos on Pornhub or
(45:21):
xhamster, you know, I mean, it doesn't happen like that.
Miss Doll, did he accurately describe the different types of
play he went into? So many different types.
Some weird shit we didn't. Even know, but I think one that
we've come across a lot that we've heard is parallel, just
two couples just playing with their partners, but in the same
room. That's his worst.
(45:42):
Do that. Hey, I'm I'm with you.
I'm with you, but parallel play.We were at a party one time.
You wasted 5. 100 miles away. Yeah.
My wife actually came in to me at a house party.
People were playing upstairs. And she comes downstairs because
something didn't work out. And in front of everyone, she
goes, hey, let's go upstairs. Well, I was a little reckless
(46:06):
that night. And I said you and me, I was
like, no. We doing that?
30 people. He said that like no, he just
called me. He blurted it out loudly, like
no, me and you What? She was humiliated.
You can see her face like she was.
Like I'll in bed. That was wrong that I should
have done that. I should have went upstairs.
(46:27):
But then you said you had swap, swap, and then you had the full
swap, and then you said DVP. You need the double vaginal
penetration. Say it out loud, otherwise
everyone's going to go, what theheck is that?
Because they've heard it DP, which is double penetration.
But then you add that V in thereand well.
Yeah, and DVP when Dicks is going to touch guys, just so you
(46:47):
know. Yeah, you read that Dicks are
touching. I was going.
For. The record I.
Was going for the DVD. Membrane they're.
Still touching, all right, A very thin You're still touching.
Listen. DVP for.
A dude is way worse than DPI canfeel the I can feel vein on vein
(47:09):
DVP like you. Don't.
You don't have to, but for thoseof us who enjoy it, back off my
fruit basket, would you? Don't yuck my Yum I'm.
Just saying at this stage, this stage of my game, if someone
offers me that I'm, I'm likely going to climb.
I had a, let me tell you, my, myD, my DPDVP.
(47:30):
Well, it was the only time whereI ever had to worry about it, so
I went with this couple. It was going to be MFM, right?
So we go back to their house andas we go in, soon as we come in
the door, the first thing you see to the left is a shrine.
It's just championships of karate and shit, like karate
dojos and swords and all kind ofshit up there, right?
(47:51):
So I see it, we end up going upstairs and we start playing
around, right? The dudes in the front, I'm in
the back the whole time. We don't touch.
We're we're not even interacting.
I'm back there going to town. Boom, boom, boom.
It comes out. Nothing, nothing unnormal.
It comes out before I could put it in.
The man grabs it. Put it in for.
(48:12):
Me, yeah. It grabs it, right, Right.
I didn't read none of this. I didn't agree to none of this.
But as he grabs it and puts it back in, I have a decision to
make. Now, people, remember I told you
when I walked in the door, therewas Dojo championships and
swords and shit to the left. I'm butt naked in this man's
house, seemingly with my Dick inhis.
(48:32):
So you're by comfortable. If you want to make a decision
whether I was going to act up orwhether I was going to keep
fucking, I kept fucking. He's a fucking donut.
Chuck is saying with the profilething, make sure you put the
things extra. I'm going to say it just be
extra. Put all the things that you're
comfortable with or that you even want to try.
(48:54):
Make sure that is information that is in your profile.
You should because buy comfortable.
We've had this debate for many years.
Yes, yeah. On the dude's profile then
ladies you chime in what you think.
We me and Chuck have this debatestill to this day.
We've been debating this for 15 fucking years.
When it says buy comfortable, what does that mean to you?
I comfortable. You don't mind someone grabbing
(49:16):
your Dick and you are buy comfortable.
I don't care. If they're fine or.
Not actually OK, I have to find my notes that I took on this.
I'll have well, I'm going to have to come back to this
because we have end up creating a spice level.
OK, so you know how like BuffaloWild Wings has their hot sauces.
I'm trying to figure this out because for this exact reason,
(49:38):
right. You say that by comfortable.
Well, there's like this entire like thing that you can break
down from, you know, dry rub basically Fred, if you want to
go that route, all the way down to like super spicy to like
ghost pepper style, right? And so it's those levels of
where does Bicontripro fall into?
(49:59):
And it is really you are bisexual and you're comfortable
in any aspect sexually, non sexually.
That's why it's important to putit in your profile exactly what
you mean. So if you list that you're bi
comfortable, you should list give a little more of an
explanation as to what that means.
(50:19):
Wait, Dean, what do you think bicomfortable means?
I want to hear her. I want to hear what she has to
say. It means to me because again, I
think it means different things to different people.
To me it means. I mean to you, but I'm going to
tell them on you. It means that I don't care if
people are bi. I personally am not by, but I am
(50:41):
by comfortable. I think women are beautiful.
Personally, I will kiss them. Hey, hey, the producer, she
knows what we call you. We call you bicentennial.
Every every cycle around. I'll look over and my my wife
will be entrenched with her. I'm like, what is she doing?
(51:02):
Over there like she's. Not even into this shit like
sometimes. I just get in the moment.
That means I'm very comfortable if.
I wanted to hear what her what her version of it was.
There's once once every blue moon, once every 2-3 years.
I'll I'll see her getting wild and wet over there.
(51:25):
All right, everybody, if you like that, make sure you tune in
to the next episode of the down and dirty podcast, where we
finish talking about swinging one O 1 give you them tips.
See you soon. So David, the producer who
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(51:46):
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