December 3, 2023 • 48 mins
Sorry about the delay..this episode we sit down and have a big old pow-wow about everything that's been happening.
Gordie's been drifting, Paul's been on a road trip with a BMW. Plus we talk a hospital that's banned EV charging, a new accessory in the Cherry Tiggo 7 Pro, the new Porsche Panamera, and we review KIA's EV9.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome everybody. This is me putting on a professional voice
because the last two intros Paul has deemed too offensive
and I'm not allowed to put them in. Sorry about
the delay in the show, everybody, We're a professional podcast.
Moving forward. Just kidding, just kidding. Jake's guys, it's been
(00:27):
a while between drinks. Yeah, I blame you. Yes, I've
been away. You've been away. You were sick.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
At one point that we will meet to film, I
said I was sick, but yeah, I got that vibe.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You sounded fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, right at the end of the call, when
someone calls in sick, they're like, oh shit, I got
a cough and then.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it was very much like I've got the black
lung pops and then mal he gave me the fucking
time off. Let's go. Yeah, I was sick the family.
Everyone had COVID, so I'm got crook. Well, well you
were in town for something, weren't you. Yes, what was it?
Oh that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I was up with Joe Achilles, who were going to
have on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We had a new best mate.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, we did a couple of shows, did a couple
of shows, so one it wasn't a show.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It was like a YEAHJ J, that's it. That's that's
an awkward reference.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, that's the one that I unfortunately know, but let's
not go there. But yeah, we're in Sydney to do
the Sydney Show at BMW Sydney in Rush Cutters Base
Shine Dealership. But yeah, we actually drove from and I'll
just quickly run through this. We drove from Melbourne to
Sydney in two BMW seven series. One was a seven
(01:41):
forty and the other was an I seven. And we
wanted to figure out whether it is actually cheaper to
do the drive in a petrol car or an EV
how much inconvenience is sort of added to it all?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I do love that you chose BMW for that
comparison to you poor bars.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well no, no, we did this once with our balls
and I in an EV six and an out in
Q five days.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I remember that. Yeah, adelaid to Sydney and PA was
where you met Donna. Correct, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So people bitch that they weren't the same car as
in it wasn't like that was that was diesel and
that was the EV version. So we thought, well let's
make it equal and BMW had the seven Series available
in both petrol and EV and we thought.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
We'll give it a crack.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Obviously, they are very expensive and not a realistic car,
but if you just transpose those two cars with any
other two cars that have an internal combustion and an
EV version, you can kind of follow the same routine
and further caveat to that is, obviously the seven Series
is heavy, and if you did it in a lighter
electric vehicle it would be different. But the premise is
(02:45):
the BMW claims to do at least five hundred kilometers
on a single charge. So in the future, when cheaper
evs have more range and a lighter and blah blah blah,
this should be the same story. So anyway, we set
off from Melbourne and I thought it's going to be
a bit uneventful list because you know, the BMW.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is just it just kind of just works.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Everything was fine then halfway Our plan was to stop
at Tarcuta, which is halfway between Melbourne and Sydney.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
What was it called Tarcuta? Tarkata, It's like the sounds
regional town I probably did radio in once upon. It's
just about bloody half an hour from tear a bag apart. No, No,
my down the road from Kicking Can around Tarakata.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So halfway there, I got a message from Jade in
our office and she goes, oh, have any of the
EV charges worked?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And I said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And she goes, the Optus network is down and I'm like, yeah,
so what So at these EV charges it has to
authenticate your credit card and stuff, and half of them
were on the Optus network. So I was at this
point about half an hour away from Tarkata and that
was our destination. And I said, look, we can turn
around and go somewhere else. But I mean, this is
(03:54):
part of the story, right if I if it doesn't work,
then you guys continue driving and I'll just hang around somewhere.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Else's the problem you get a children too.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It listened to Gordy's success or a Tarkata a FM,
the Sound of the Coast or the Sound of Inland.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Which the music we all love now huge Blinda carlor.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So anyway, I started getting a bit of range anxiety
because I arrived at Tarkata with two percent battery left,
like it was almost empty. And the other thing we
were going to do on this trip was make sure
that we didn't put it in e Co Martos left
the AC on twenty one degrees. It was bloody hot,
cooled seats running, all that sort of stuff. So anyway,
this was the like the only charger in the country
(04:35):
that actually still worked. That's incresed some reason. It must
have been on Telstrue. They may not have had optors
there or something. So thankfully that worked. Put a bit
juice in it and anyway, long story short, we got
to the end and the EV cost so all the
charging we brim them at the start, so when we
started the road trip it was one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That's a thought. He was there to help with that bit,
just paul A Joe so having a good brim session.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So both of them were brimmed at in Hawthorne in
the back the nozzle in there.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, So the EV total cost one hundred and thirty
one dollars and ninety two cents one.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Point thirty one for the EV yep Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The petrol car, so this is premium unloaded ninety eight
run it costs one hundred and seventeen dollars, So it
was cheaper to do the trip in a petrol car
than it was to do it in the diesel.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Someone else did a report on news dot com dot
you about about this a similar sort of a thing,
and just saying how much it costs to get from
say Sydney Melbourne and v as opposed to the usual trip,
and not as precise as yours. Obviously not a proper test,
but just an observation and interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So yeah, look, I mean, obviously the BMW would average
just over twenty killer what hours per one hundred ks.
If you do it in a more efficient car, it'd
probably about sixteen or fifteen depending on the car.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Having said that, you're filling up charging up on the road, right,
so it's going to be a different cost if you're
using this car, like obviously around town as a commuter
and you're charging it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If you're charging at home, obviously it's cheaper. And also
if you're going to a destination where there's free charging,
then you would lop thirty three dollars off the charging price,
which was the final cost that we had to put
in there, so then it would it would become cheaper.
But if you're on a road trip, which is what
people do, you're going to be using public charging infrastructure,
and you may not have charging your destination. So this
(06:30):
is just a fair way of doing it so that
we can have an Apple's for Apples comparison. And the
other thing as well is that electricity prices are getting
more expensive. So at the moment, it was costing between
sixty five and sixty nine cents per kilo what hour
to charge these cars. So you can imagine in the
future as electricity prices keep going up, it is just
going to become more expensive because these fuel companies are
(06:53):
just going to want to make the same amount of
money as they did off you when you were filling
it up with petrol or diesel.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's funny, though, we hear so much bitching and moaning
about the price of petrol, and no one in their
EV's is complaining about the price of charging them on
public charges. Really yep.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And you know the other thing I'm going to throw
into the mix as well. At the moment, forty odd
cents per liter of fuel goes to the government, So
the second you remove that, they're going to have to
add that on to your charging for an EV eventually,
because they're not just going to relinquish billions of dollars
in fuel excise, So it is only going to become
more expensive to charge an EV on public charging infrastructure.
(07:31):
But if you're like me, we haven't paid for the
past year a single cent to.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Charge our EV at home your tesla.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, because we're in an apartment building and we use
common electricity.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So it's just paid for by all own it's not
it is paid for by body in theory. Yeah, so
it is.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, but it's divided by everyone, so it isn't a
fair system.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But so where you have this, so everyone who's not
hang on, so everyone in your apartment building who's not
an EV owner is essentially paying for your Aye, you
sneaky bastard. And an't you like the bloody chairman. We've
moved out of that building, so is used. There was
a few little you don't talk about that. Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But yeah, so I think for every case where you're
paying for stuff, you're going to have an offset where
someone has sol or batteries or whatever. So it sort
of balances out in the grand scheme of things. But
I just thought it was an interesting thing to do.
And yeah, so that that story will be out shortly
and have a watch.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Of the video Joe and I.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Joe isn't a fan of EV's, so you can imagine
how much shit he was hanging on me in the
video when we discovered that there was an opt us out.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
This new apartment building you're in, Is it like a
gated style community if you've got some sort of care
going on? Yeah? Have you got help? You don't have
the maide in this one. You had that in the
last one. Yeah, So where are you living right now?
Let's share it for everyone. Share your address so people
(09:04):
know where to send hate mail pooh bombs. I remember
the pooh bombs in the bag. Send most a little path.
Why you told your boring story about EV's and bloody
Joe Achilles or whatever his fucking name is. I was
too busy drifting around a track. Oh how'd that guy? Yeah,
I'm going to talk to We'll talk about this in
the next episode, but just a quick one of shout
out to Drift School Australia on Instagram, who reached out.
(09:26):
I had a bloody fun day. Fernando who runs the thing, Well,
he'll go deep into the day and talk about I
think he's gonna give me a bit of a score
on my progress. Do you know one thing I did? Notice? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Well, I can give you the score now if you want. No,
Actually I did pretty bloody well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Have you know? Do you know the hardest thing I
realized isn't so much the actual act of drifting. It's
to kind of kick the car around to that perfect
sort of angle. That was That was the hardest point. Like,
it was interesting how they start the day off, because
you kind of lead up a drifting, they kind of
teach you the basic sort of foundations I guess of
what you're going to need to kind of get to
(10:05):
that point. So like doughnuts and all sorts of stuff
which are nailed. The fact that they had sitting risen
from seven eleven polished those off. But yeah, so all
that sort of stuff was. It was great. It was easy.
It was sort of but the one thing that I
thought was going to be I thought the actual getting
(10:26):
into the position of a drift would have been the
easy part, and it was holding sort of that position
that would have been the hard part. But it was
for me, it was completely the opposite. Once I was
in sort of drift, that was kind of easy to
find that friction point generally and balance around. It's just
kicking that fucking car around. And there's a few different ones.
They had utes and nice. They had three point fifty
(10:47):
z which was highly modern. Yeah, I know, but I
like that. I preferred it. It was just nice and
easy Tardi. Uh what else did I think? They had
a Sylvia too? Ute? Sounded fucking yeah, Commodore? Yeah, yeah, nice,
really good, very nice. But yeah, a great day. We'll
chat about that in the next one. But shout out
to shout out to those guys. Go go buy yourself
(11:09):
a nice little Christmas present. Often because they it's an
interesting one because you know when you do those sort
of experiences, the bloody you know, red balloon or experience,
you know, all these sort of car experiences. He sort
of think to yourself, Man, they stack up in cost.
And then I was talking to a couple of the
instructors about just the running costs of this thing, and
(11:30):
it's huge.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, yeah, put it this way, if you were to
take your own car, you would And this is the thing.
Their cars are engineered for that driving. They've got a
proper either a locked or of very limited slip differential,
which isn't on a standard car, and then in addition
to that, they've got extra steering angle as well to
make it easier to drift. You've got engine modifications for
(11:51):
additional card. So if you were to go take your
own car there, you would probably do a thousand dollars
worth of damage by the time in one session everything.
So yeah, I always say to people, whenever you look
at track days and stuff where you're not supplying your car, Yep, whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
The cost is, it's probably worth it. They've got. One
of the instructors was saying, because he went through the
school himself and then loved it that much, he sort
of kept going with it, and now he's an instructor.
But he was saying, five years ago he'd pay I
think it was like one hundred bucks a tire. Right
(12:26):
now it's two hundred bucks a tire, right, So all
those sort of things have doubled. Things like you know,
as you said, the mods, the handbrakes, like everything. Engines.
People used to buy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
LS three engines that they would stick in stuff, and
if you didn't buy a crate engine, which were quite expensive,
you'd go and find a wrecked car that had a
rear impact and you'd.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Just salvage the engine.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now you cannot find an LS three or a barrower
anywhere because people have just gobbled up everything. They're no
longer making barrows, so they're impossible to find. So of
the few that left, they're demanding high premium. So to
actually build a drift car today, this.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Culture is the ultimate environmentalists. They're really easy. Well that's it,
there you go, green, Yeah, Greta get on block. Can
you imagine Greta doing the drift? How dare you? I
should be in school? No, sorry, she's no. Thanks. Oh
you know what else I did? I just spend some
time in a BYD Dolphin. Oh, there you go. Yeah,
(13:28):
I enjoyed it. Yeah, I enjoyed it. It's quirky. It's
a quirky little thing. Do you know what? The interior
is not as full on, I guess as the ATO three,
but it is much cheaper, isn't it. Yeah? Well yeah,
you're looking at around about forty thousand dollars. It sort
of competes with the MG four. It was a bit
of a bitch, sessh because when I think MG four
(13:49):
jumped on, they launched with forty thousand dollars. Ye, drive
away or something like that. These guys undercut MG by
one hundred bucks drive away, so technically they're Australia's most
affordable EVA. If I was sort of comparing it to say,
the MG four, I think the MG four looks I
don't know, it's it's Apple's oranges one sort of styled
a bit more aggressive than I quite like the MG four.
(14:11):
But the MG four's interior compared to the BYD interior,
I thought the BYD nailed it. Like they've got better tech.
It looks better. It's obviously doesn't have that ridiculous quirk
that the A three kind of had with the strings
and stuff like that. But it's really well, it's really
well put together. Inside, the text really good. I think
it does a better job of the interior. Generally, I'm
(14:32):
looking forward to the the X. Yeah, the Seal is
going to be great. I think we're doing something with Luke.
Look out for that. You strap the wet suit on, yeah, yeah,
when you're in the Dolphin, it actually does make that
sort of it's the sound of a dolphin even when
you push the horn. It is showing that electric cars
(14:56):
are getting much much cheaper in Australia. Sorry, with the Dolphin,
is when you pass another dolphin driver in traffic, like,
rather than sort of give the knowing wave, you can
just throw a piece of fish at them and they
balance a beach ball on their head. It makes SENSEA look,
just a quick one on that. We won't to a
full review or anything of it, but I think it
(15:18):
should definitely be, definitely be on people's list because it's
it's a great little car and it's fuck it's thirty
nine just under forty thousand drive away. Yeah, yeah it is.
It is cheap. We actually did a drag race between
the MG four x Power and the I seven seventy.
Oh I've got the x Power Monday. I'm looking for
(15:39):
it too.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So that was sixty grand versus three hundred and fifty grand.
So yeah, you can head to the car Expert channel
to check that out.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is just tell me the result right now. No,
it was actually half half one half of them and
the BMW on the other half. Yeah, it was really
quite fascinating. How did you find before I get into
this thing? How did you find it with the because
this thing's dual motor or will drive sort of situation
going on? Yeah, look, it was.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay in a straight line, but when we started sort
of getting up at around the right and handling track.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It has a few quirks that I wasn't a fan of.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So it's got a talk vectoring system and an electronic
locking differential, and none of that works really well with
the stability control, so it's constantly biting and doing weird
stuff mid corner. So I think that needs a little
bit of work. But outside of that, breaks were good.
Handling was pretty good for sixty grand. Yeah, and not
complain you can't really good like.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's what I'm looking forward to is the fact that it's,
you know, the handling should be a little bit better
technically than the m FALL the standard YEP.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
But the other thing as well is that I don't
love the battery capacity. It's using the smaller battery, so
you only getting rated range of three hundred and fifty k's.
Our range on the day was two hundred and the
bad tree was flat, so we did a lot of
hard driving.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
But one hundred k's of that. One hundred and ten
k's of that was highway driving to get there. Now
that I'm a drift expert, does that have a drift mode?
I don't know. That's the other thing they need to
fix as well. It's sort of that needs to get
sorted to. But otherwise, sixty thousand dollars, what is that?
Zero to one hundred and three point eight Yeah, fucking
hell yeah, it is quick. It is quick. There is
(17:24):
still something a little bit underwhelming going fast in an
EV rather than a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar Porsche.
Thanks very much. That's true, you know what I mean,
just lacks that sound and emotion, likes that everything. Oh hey,
here's an interesting story that pops across my desk, thanks
(17:46):
to you. Gone hey. So monsh hospital has decided to
ban EV charges. Now, I thought they were just kind
of saying no to the whole no to EV charges
in general. But they've literally pulled the ones that they've
got out and said, nah, it's not happening. Yeah. According to.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The story on our site, so Mono Shealth has banned
electric vehicle charging in its hospitals and medical centers, citing
a work Safe Victoria's safety alert warning that evs pose
a fire risk. So the exact wording from work Safe
was when overheated lithium ion batteries of all sizes can
catch fire, the fire is often hard to put out
and the smoke from the fire can be toxic. So
obviously you can see how that's an issue at a
(18:27):
workplace where where it's a hospital, because you've got sick
people that are already. So the recommendation is that electric
vehicles with lithium ion battery should not be charged close
to office spaces or near people, and that there should
be a dedicated charging area that's separate from areas where
people are working.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Fuck, what do they want to paddock?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Well, I mean it seems that way. But yeah, I
just find it. I find it really interesting that you
know this is happening. We published also content recently about
a big body corporate firm here in Melbourne that has
recommended to owners corporations that they don't install EV charges
(19:08):
or charge vehicles apartment building.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So this is obviously an area of concern and there
is no kind of ruling on this yet. There's just
all this loose advice.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So but I mean, and this advice is essentially coming
from I would imagine government bodies things like you know,
like for instance, in New South Wales, I know, the
New South Wales Fire Authority. You know, these people did
like a full report and we're saying how difficult it
is to put out ev fires.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's a fact, right, So a lithiumine battery fire gets
thermal run away and is almost impossible to put out quickly,
so that there is no known way of doing it quickly.
They've created like dunking bars where Ukraine like a smoldering
Jesus fire into this immerse it in water until it
(20:01):
is well and truly safely out. That's impossible, well, almost
impossible to do in an apartment building or near or
underground car park or something like that, because you can't
pull the car out safely. So it is a genuine issue.
There are very few instances of electric vehicle fires, so
it's not as if this is happening every day, but
when they do happen, it's obviously bad news. And I
(20:22):
think a lot of this is stemming from the fires Leaven.
Last night on the news, a family lost half their
home because an electric bicycle they were charging over an
either course.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Fire and took half the house out. Trev talked about
this in the podcast a couple of weeks ago. You question,
like where the charging cables coming from and all that
sort of stuff. That's the problem. There's a bicycles and scooters.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You don't know how they manufacture, You don't know what
safety tolerances they have, probably very low, given they're selling
them kind of anonymously, and I don't know who's actually
checking that is the government who knows. Electric cars I
think are a fast, safer alternative. But obviously an electric
car catch fire is significantly worse than a scooter catching
fire because it is a much bigger battery. So yeah,
(21:06):
look at you something to look at if you do
want to protect yourself if you buy an electric car
that has an LFP battery, So that is typically the
Chinese electric vehicles like the Tesla's, the BYD's, and that
the cheaper versions, they tend to not have a lithium
ion battery that has that thermal runaway property. These can
still catch fire and can still be hard to put out,
(21:29):
but they're not anywhere near as bad as a lithium
ion battery.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So would we have the same problem. It's going to
sound like a dumb question, but I'm used to it now. Yeah, fine,
go ahead, just like a real lie. We have the
same problem in hydrogen cars.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, hydrogen cars are slightly different. So with a hydrogen car,
it's you don't have that thermal runaway. So when hydrogen escapes,
it escapes quickly and it disperses quickly. So if you
do get hydrogen escaping, it's going to burn. It's not
a visible flame, but it will burn quickly and dissipate.
Problem with hydrogen is that if it makes its way
(22:01):
back into the tank, the tank is heavily pressurized. If
you then get ignition in the tank, then that's a
bigger problem because you have a huge amount stored in
this space and you can get a big explosion. But
there are a huge number of protections in place for
hydrogen vehicles, so they have leaked detection internally, so they
can one way valves for hydrogen escaping the tank as well,
(22:22):
so there was even in terms of car accidents. Toyota
had vision of them firing a m whatever gun with
some giant bullet at hydrogen tank ause they're multi carbon
layered tanks and basically it took them two shots in
the one same spot to penetrate the tank. So if
(22:43):
you can fire a giant military rifle at a tank
twice and it's still not coming.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
From a guy who has a military car by the way, Yeah, correct,
what else you've got? There was still no explosion there.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Then I think they are significantly safer than what people
think of HydroD So so yeah, I don't know. It
is an interesting time, and it is worth keeping in
mind that when an internal combustion car catches on fire,
you literally have a fuel tank.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It has a huge source of flammable liquid.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, under exactly, So it is actually just as bad,
but it is easier to put out. The problem is
if you get an internal combustion car catch on fire
in a car park and there's evs next to it,
you can just see the compounding effect if they all
catch fire.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So yeah, it is. It is interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So keen for your feedback on this. Contact at the
Drivers Show dot com dot au. Let us know what
you think about this. Do you think that this is
a problem. Would you buy an EV if you lived
in an apartment building? Do you support charging them at
work in inclosed spaces? Let us know what you reckon
the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Of the I'll get rid of that, don't worry. Hey,
so Cherry's got a hot new accessory. I know you're
a big fan of it. It's got a little thorhammer. Yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
We were testing the Cherry Tigo seven Pro what's called
Tigo seven that voice though, and I sort of opened
the center console and I'm like, oh, what's in this
little leather bag? I thought it was perhaps some I
opened it up and I'm like, oh, Gord, he's like
one of his toys in here. But it was basically
(24:22):
a hammer similar to what a juvenile in Queensland would
use just before they steal your car. It basically has
a solid tip on it and you just literally tap
it on glass and it will shatter the glass. And
then it's also got a seat belt cutter built into it.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It sounds like something from Trevor's bottom drawer.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
So it's designed here just in case you are in
an accident where the car you can't get out, you
go straight to your center console and whip out the
safety hammer.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I kind of feel like if a car is supplying
that they might know something we don't do, you know
what I mean. It's like, you're the first car that
I can remember but apart from like one of those
little busses that you go on Bucks parties at that
come with an actual little hammer to bust out in
case there's a fucking accident. But think about it this way.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's actually not a bad idea because if you're in
a serious enough accident where your power supplies cut off
and your car has electric windows, which is every car
on the market, so you have to smash a window
to get out. Yeah, smashing a window is hard to do,
so it is tricky to do, and if you are
stuck in a position where you need to get your
(25:30):
seat belts off as well. I mean that there are
a number of instances where this would be handy in
a Tesla. I mean not why in the back seat
you don't actually have an emergency release for the doors.
So in front seats you have emergency releases for the doors.
The back seat doesn't have any you have to well
it actually does, but you have to like remove some
carpet to find this thing.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
If you're thinking, to the bottom is the dumbest stable
at all time.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So yeah, I can see why this would be handy
and perhaps something that Tesla could look at putting in
their cars.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Hmm, Well you could just call my ex girlfriend and
cheese some fucking break windows and shit all the time. Hey,
just quickly. I just wanted to get your thoughts on
Cadillac coming to Australia. Yes, because all they're sort of
bringing over here is a couple of evs, right yep.
I reckon it will be a complete waste of time
and money. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So they're retailing out of Mauls, so it's where you
can buy them an online.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And they're bringing electric vehicles to Australia and not cool
looking ones, like they look all right, but they're not
like there, what's the one that everyone loves, the big Escalade. Yeah, no,
that's not coming.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So by the end of twenty twenty four, ittably the
Lyric crossover, so it'll be factory right hand drive. And
the reason I don't think it's going to work is
because the US dollar at the moment is completely screwed.
This is an expensive car in the US. It is
going to be very expensive here if you look at
how much they're charging for Corvettes, which are sort of
(26:53):
built in a similar fashion.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And also no one really knows or cares about Cadillac
in Australia. Well, also, no one's going to get on
that point. Nobody's going to get really the exclusivity or
the sort of brand image of a Cadillac, Like someone's
going to look at a Cadillac and go, you want
how much for that car? I've barely heard of really
(27:15):
that American car that my grandpa had. Now and they've
said here executives made multiple mentions of Cadillacs selling in
exclusive volumes. Hey, whoever wrote that? Pr shit girl, take
the rest of the week off, because that is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
This is this one though, a quote from one of
their executives as well, who said it's going to do
incredibly well here.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That is a quote that is going to date very quickly.
I love that. That's what he said, Like that's is
she She said, it's going to do very well here.
Thanks for that. Do you sound like Pat Cash doing
commentary at the tennis That was a really good shot. Thanks. Sorry,
(28:00):
it's just bad cash, just fucking give me the shoots lately, Hey,
pricing for the new Triton. So I thought, sorry, I'm
so sorry. No no, no, no you go, no, no
you go, because I was just going to say, what
have we got a little Pavlai? But you go right
into this conversation for here straight up pricing, so no, no,
(28:23):
you go, thank you, So I'll go.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So Mitsubishi Triton, there's there's a brand new model by
the time this goes to where I will have driven
it FII, but pricing is just lobbed. So it starts
at forty three six ninety for the entry level Glex
four x two. That's up three grand, and it caps
out at sixty three eight forty, which is up by
around seven thousand dollars for the GSR four by four. Now,
(28:48):
I thought they were going to go much harder with pricing,
as in I thought it was going to be a
whole lot more expensive than what it actually is. So
the fact that it caps out at just over sixty grand,
I don't think is the end of the world if
you have a look at where highlights pricing and range
of pricing has gone. So I think it's not as
bad as it could have been. It is still a
(29:09):
big jump for a vehicle that has changed but hasn't
changed a huge amount. So I'll be interested to see
what it's like to drive, what this new twin turbocharged
engine is like, and whether it feels like a big
enough improvement to justify the price what do you reckon
about the design?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I like this. I like this a lot. I think
it looks good. They've taken more of a sort of
a flat stance. It's starting to look a little bit
sort of that boxy American vibe about it. It definitely
looks tough. Yeah yeah, look even in the base like
it looks it doesn't look shit. Yeah, So look, I
don't know. I'll be curious to see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The thing that they have to be careful of is
Chinese brands are cornering the entry level of the market.
They're pricing themselves really well. And if you look at
something like the Canon XSR comes with all the bells
and whistles, and that is just over fifty grand, a
little over fifty grand, So this is sixty just over
sixty grand, and it still doesn't have half the equipment
(30:09):
that the Cannon has. So you've got the Chinese at
the entry level of the market cornering on pricing, and
then you've got Ford and Toyta at the top end.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
These guys are trying to sort of slip in in the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Middle but sort of jack their price up a little bit,
and it's like you gotta be careful with that because
soon you'll have no point.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Of difference LDVT six sixty. Yes, they look great and
they're cheap, and they're cheap, and they're TechEd up yep,
five hundred meters as well, so more than this. So yeah,
I think that they just need to be careful.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
They are the only ones with the ten ye warranty,
so I'll be interested to see how it drives, and that'll,
I guess, will dictate how it goes for them.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's a good looking car and it's fitted out well.
I just hope this works. It just feels like Mitsubishi
have been on this decline and I remember jumping in
the Mitsubishi the Gero Sport recently, Remember jumping in there,
going fuck, what has happened to me? It's a bishy Yeah,
it was just old bits of shitty. You put it
in there. That's an holy bit of good. Yeah, interesting times.
(31:11):
Hey did you see the Porsche Panamyror? What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, it's one of those cars that I'm surprised it
sort of still exists. Yeah, not that many are sold,
but that platform will be the basis for a number
of electric spin offs as well.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I can see why they've sort of put some
effort into it.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But yeah, it looks fine. I mean the old one
looked fine. I'm not really sort of hugely blown away
by it, but it looked nice.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
TURBOI hybrid YEP nine hundred and thirty n meters talk
zero to one hundred and three point twenty three point three.
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Biggest issue with that car was always packaging, so the
boot was terrible.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It was hard to put anything in it. Back seats
were cramped.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So all of those numbers are great, but if you
still haven't fixed the core things with it, then I
don't really understand.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
You know, the most is non looking Porsche that Porsche make. Yeah,
it's it is just a car built for a certain market.
It's like you put a kid in the back or
the dog and you've got a Porsche YEP. Pretty much.
I think Donna would sit in the back of that Porsche.
She'd be all over there. You would love it. You know.
(32:20):
When you see those cute little images of like the
bulldog sticking its head out the window, it's like Dodda
would just be like, is that me tiding over me? Face?
Now that's me Labbia parafly. Have you missed me? Absolutely not?
(32:55):
Partly Hey do you want to talk ev? No, Yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The twenty twenty four V nine prices start from ninety
seven thousand dollars for the entry level model Area rear
will drive all the way to one hundred and twenty
one thousand dollars for the top spack GT line All
will Drive.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'm not going to say too much about this other
than this is the shittest looking car I've ever seen.
Do not agree. I think it looks fantastic. It's horrendous,
and when you see it sort of driving at this
slow little stance, it just looks like a big, plotty
looking constipated hippo. I think it looks great. Did you
(33:39):
have the blue one, by the way, Yeah, it was
a matt colored matte blue ocean blue. That's the worst color. Like.
I even looked at it in the I think it
was like a gun metal gray. I thought the black
might kind of improve on this. No, the wheels and
it looked like bloody cam Art fry pants. Well, you
know the thing is with this car.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Whenever we drive cars, typically if it's new, people will
turn their heads and be interested in it when we
did our road trip to Sydney in the seven series.
It is such a polarizing design. I have never driven
a car that has turned as many heads as that
because it is just wow.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Everyone's like, what is that? The EV nine? Nobody cared, Ah,
nobody cared. It was so weird.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
It was in the top speek trim in ocean blue,
that matte color. Nobody cared.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So I just found that really interesting for such a
polarizing car, just people weren't interested in it at all,
just based on my assessments. It's so terrible to look
at that. People will not look at it because they
will throw up a little bit in their mouth.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well I think it looks good. So but let's talk
about the pricing. So it starts at just under one
hundred grand.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, pretty much. One hundred and twenty grand to get
this thing on the road. Yeah, well in the top
speck is one hundred and twenty plus on roads which
you're gonna want. You don't want the GT line, So
it is. It is a lot of money. And look,
I don't know, it's one of those cars where.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The interior is beautiful, like they've done a really good
job with just making it look great.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
That I'll agree with that two tone especially does look good.
It looks like something from a range Rover or something
like that. And then you look at the steering well
and you're not in a range Rover.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
But we're talking here about a car that has one
hundred kilo what our battery in the top spectrium, in
the mid spectrium, and the best it will afford you
is five hundred and twelve kilometers of range top circle
do zero to one hundred and five point three seconds,
So it's.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Kind of quick. It's not bad, yeah, yeah, but it is.
It is a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
And when I sort of put this into perspective, so
the top speck seven seats one hundred and twenty grand
plus on roads, that is buying you a top spec
care Carnival which does your people moving stuff, plus another
car yep for fun on a weekend for the kid,
do you know what I mean? So I think that
while this had a lot of hype to start with,
I just don't know how much appeal there's going to
(35:57):
be here. There is a lot of appeal in the
entry level of the EV market as we're seeing globally,
the more expensive stuff from premium brands has just tanked.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
There's pretty much zero off road capabilities in this as well.
It's not like you can take it on the beach
or anything like that, right, Well, I mean you could
if you wanted to. But yeah, could you could put
a fucking Volkswagen Beetle on the beach if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I mean it's like anything. Should you Probably not,
but yeah, I don't know. I just I'm in two
minds about this. I drove it and enjoyed it because
it was quiet, it had lots of room inside, a
third road wasn't as spacious as I thought it'd be
for adults. Text great, it does all the sort of
techy electric stuff really well.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Charging speeds are goods, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But if you look at it in the context of
the pricing and who was going to be buying this,
you're buying a car that weighs around two point seven tons,
so it is enormously heavy.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You can't really toe with it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You can't really well if you can't toe with it,
but you just won't get any range. So for a
vicle it's this size. There are just so many other
things you could buy that will fit a wider brief.
You can buy a land cruiser that will do towing
off road. Seven seats, so.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, as a Sorrento got seven seats, Sarenha has got
seven seats.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It is a smaller vehicle though, this is on a
three point one meter wheelbase, so it is a big,
big old thing. So yeah, Look, I don't know, I'm
keen for anyone listening to this send us an email.
Contact at the driver's showed at Consday.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I mean one hundred and twenty grand or even at
ninety seven grand for the entry level that has a
smaller battery in less driving round.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And you're getting a pretty basic interior in that entry level. Yep. Look,
I came across hard because I just looks as subjective
and to me this looks just something else. But inside
I think it looks great. Rooming again, one hundred and
twenty I just feel like this has got this is
very fifty to fifty on ticks and crosses, and it is.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Worth just noting as well that one hundred and twenty
grand for this is cheap in a seven seat electric
vehicle sense. So if you were to pretend that the
world only had electric vehicles, now this is actually reasonably
priced compared to like.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
A Model X and other stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
So if you were one hundred intent on buying an
EV for whatever reason, whatever your reasoning is, then this
is actually not bad value for money. But when you
look at it in the context of everything else that's
on the market, then it really starts to not.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Make a great deal of sense. I don't think this is.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
This is this benefits from any subsidies either, because it's
too expensive. So it really does make you wonder who
is going to be buying it and in what volumes
will they bring it into the country, because that'll be
the other thing. I mean, we saw with the EV
six when that was launched, it was impossible to get one,
So what is this going to be like in comparison.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
They did with the EV six. I quite enjoyed that car.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, they brought in a few, but you remember at
the time there was like a two year waiting list.
So they're now bringing in more of them, and Henda's
bringing in more of their stuff as well.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
But yeah, should we read some questions comments, Questions you've
got mel This is a good question. This comes from
shout out to Marty. Oh, this is from Marty who
does a podcast called the Jizz Podcast. And guess who
I guess who was on it? Oh god, I know.
I thought we were going to be jizzing in a bucket,
but there was none of that anyway. Shout out to Marty.
(39:14):
Marty says, why does Paul complain about tesla's but he
drives one? Please help? Oh okay, but I don't complain
about them. Let's talk about your content. This week was
just a photo of you looking unimpressed in the back
of one, going ooh, the road is shooting the book
it is. I got into this going, oh, this will
be great.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I haven't been in the back of a Tesla before,
and about a minute into it, I'm like, holy shit,
this is terrible. There was no room in there and
the ride was horrific.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I was in a Tesla here and it wasn't too bad.
What sort of tesla was it? Model three? I don't know.
This one was shit. So how old was yours? It
was just a Model three. They haven't really changed much.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
There's a new one coming that will hopefully fix the suspension,
but it was horrendous.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I still think that Tesla Model three is one of
the quieter out of all the evs, Like so many
evs are jump into and going, oh god, is a
bit fucking noisy in here?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Still, like the new one actually has acoustic glass and
an additional sort of noise reduction.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So I think it's advertised it. There's a there's a
great piece of advertising on their guess insta where the
windows are down busy traffic, then they put the windows
up and it's as quiet as anything. And I mean
sure they probably I bet that's not Yeah, I bet
that's not dufted. But but just on that, I'm not negative.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I just point out stuff that is shit about them,
and just like every other car, there is stuff that's
shit about them. And I'm not one of those Tesla
fanboys that just thinks the cars are absolutely the best
thing ever, which is what a lot of owners do.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
So clearly they don't like it. Tough titties. That's the
Pavla Report. Thanks for joining us on the program this afternoon.
That's Pavla's opinions call us now coming up next to
the Gordon Program. Now, what really grinds your gar is.
I'd like to talk about Punt Road and that Montague
(41:08):
Street bridge. Why does every fucking bastard just crush into
that bridge? Okay, here's another question. Hydrogen. Oh okay, So
this person's asked a few questions. Yeah, okay, and it's
just literally pick one. Okay, hydrogen or EV for what
for a car? Well, I there's a rapid fire question.
(41:28):
Can stop stop EV because I can't fill the hydrogen anywhere.
So that's that's an easy one. I'm going to go hydrogen,
just to be where are you going to fill it?
I'll find places. I'll go to the Young Day headquarters
and get them to bloody put it out. That's what
I'll do. Sixty six Mustang or seventy Chevell? Probably the Mustang. Yeah,
probably the Mustang. Good question though, by the way, this
(41:50):
comes from Ben Logan. Shout out to Ben Logan. Oh,
this is a good one ninety two land cruiser with
the LS one five liter Yeah, the old one, yeah,
or the brand new one. The old one any day
of the week. The new one's boring. Agreed. When there's
a new episode in the works right now, yeah, as
we speak, literally going on we get a lot of
questions about merch, and I get updates from gas at
(42:13):
Machines Plus and they are in the works. He sent
me T shirts. So we've sent the first batch of
merch out, so this second batch is in the works.
And then once that arrives, look at that our mugs.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So yeah, once this batch is done, we will we
will make an announcement and get people some new merch,
send it out. I'm wearing my driver's show T shirt
at the moment. I wore it at SeaWorld. He when
I'm swimming with the dolphins?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Did you attract that was your majorash foundation thing? How
was that? How was did you swim with the dolphin?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I went to Seawell though, and it was ship Half
the stuff didn't work and the one ride I actually
got to go on without kids, which got finally got
to the front of the queue, sat down and it
broke down and there was a trainee running it and
he's like, oh, do.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You want to just sit there or come back later.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I'm like, well, I'm not going to sit here while
you fix this ride, and then it just sends me
off into space.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
No offense, mate, but like, yeah, no offense kid, But
it doesn't take a lot to work out. I don't
really want to be sitting on a broken ride at
the Gold Coast because if track records anything to go by,
I'm fucking out.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, so, I mean there was actually just very very
side pointing, very quickly. There was a thing on the
news last night about how they're going to implement more
safety protocols for carnival ride operators, and it just makes
you wonder, how have there not been safety protocols so far?
I just find that stuff bizarre. So anyway, see world, Yeah,
half the stuff didn't work. Would not recommend going.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But even the dolphins were fucking working. Half the dolphins
were sitting on the sideline smoking nothing to damn, I'm
not fucking twisting my fucking body or ouf what. They're
very good. Yeah, I just made a dolphin say, like
Louis the Fly, I'm gonna get out of here and
(44:13):
show ma. She when I bushed out of here, Ma,
I'm going to show the world. Meanwhile, your your side piece,
Donna was sitting there going, pamly, you want to say
a real paupose, Han, check this out. This is the fish.
John West rejected, what's that next question. Meanwhile, you're like,
(44:38):
oh my god, where's Donna gone? Oh? I know, follow
the yellow drip road, Benny. He wanted to know about Rivian.
I was always interested to know how Rivian were going,
as they looked great but seemed to be reliable. But
unluckily they'll get here, they might eventually.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Rivian's current business, or the money making business, is the
massive deal they struck with them on to supply electric
trucks for their delivery business. So I think that's where
they're probably focusing a lot of their efforts, plus delivering
all their customer cars before they sort of get into
right hand drive.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Well, I need to catch a flight to India. Oh yeah,
where are you landing, Chennai.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'll be interested to see what the reception is like
when an Australian presents a passport after the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I've heard did not go all that well, not that
I followed quickly. Is that a sports thing? I think so?
Yeah apparently So anyway, I'll leave my bat and ball
at home. If you enjoy this and hang on, don't
wrap yet. I don't know about India. Are looking forward
to in India? Tell me before we get Indian food
I love Indian food, so I've heard this and this
(45:46):
is a genuine thing. One of the countries on my
list is I would love to go to India. I
have been months before. I love to spend some time there.
I reckon it be awesome. Food was amazing.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Some of the sites, like the taj Mahal when I
went the first time, was absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Like I was blown away with that.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Like you literally walk through You're in a queue for
ages trying to get in and then you walk through
this sort of gate area and then all of a
sudden it's there in front of you and it is enormous.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
It is amazing. So I like to say it in
my laugh, just get through the gate. And then she
puts her spectacles on and she's like, oh, it's not
actually spectacles. What is this nineteen twenties? Didn't we just
put my machine eye glass? John? Yeah, India is awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
So I'm looking forward to that and I'll report back
on our next episode about how that went.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
My advice is, don't drink tap water, no unless you
want to lose twenty kilos. Hey, I might actually give that,
give it a go. I think you should do some shots.
Do some shots come back, Skinny give the az epic arrest.
Just do a couple of shots of Indian bloody bathroom water. Yeah,
that'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
So yeah, So if you do enjoy this show, which
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Speaker 1 (47:13):
We get by the way, we get a lot of
d ms and they're hard to kind of tussle through,
and once you sort of get through to someone's conversation
and stuff like that, it's hard to if you if
you've got genuine if you've got genuine questions that you
want to know about, just email it straight straight there
and we'll get to it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
But yeah, so looking forward to getting old Cadoagus back
on the show. So I think we'll give that a
crack for the next episode.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Basically, the plan is he's going to dress up as
Santa and True is going to come in and sit
on his knee and what he wants for Christmas. About
the first thing that comes up, Yeah, I don't think
Kdogan hasn't really come in a long time. I think
if he has, it's just dust. Thank you for listening, everyone,
(48:03):
goodbye here. We are sorry about the delay everyone. Paul's
been in surgery and gender reassignment and we will now
refer to him. What did the counselors say, we need
to call you. I believe it's Paulini. Yes, we're not
(48:26):
doing this.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
This episode is going to be three minutes of actual
stuff and then half an hour of stuff we can't use.
Welcome everybody. This is me putting on a professional voice
because the last two intros Paul has deemed too offensive
and I'm not allowed to put them in. Sorry about
the delay in the show, everybody, We're a professional podcast.
Moving forward. Just kidding, just kidding. Jake's guys, it's been
(00:27):
a while between drinks. Yeah, I blame you. Yes, I've
been away. You've been away. You were sick.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
At one point that we will meet to film, I
said I was sick, but yeah, I got that vibe.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You sounded fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
You know, right at the end of the call, when
someone calls in sick, they're like, oh shit, I got
a cough and then.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah, it was very much like I've got the black
lung pops and then mal he gave me the fucking
time off. Let's go. Yeah, I was sick the family.
Everyone had COVID, so I'm got crook. Well, well you
were in town for something, weren't you. Yes, what was it?
Oh that's right.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I was up with Joe Achilles, who were going to
have on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We had a new best mate.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Yes, we did a couple of shows, did a couple
of shows, so one it wasn't a show.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It was like a YEAHJ J, that's it. That's that's
an awkward reference.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yes, that's the one that I unfortunately know, but let's
not go there. But yeah, we're in Sydney to do
the Sydney Show at BMW Sydney in Rush Cutters Base
Shine Dealership. But yeah, we actually drove from and I'll
just quickly run through this. We drove from Melbourne to
Sydney in two BMW seven series. One was a seven
(01:41):
forty and the other was an I seven. And we
wanted to figure out whether it is actually cheaper to
do the drive in a petrol car or an EV
how much inconvenience is sort of added to it all?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I do love that you chose BMW for that
comparison to you poor bars.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Well no, no, we did this once with our balls
and I in an EV six and an out in
Q five days.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I remember that. Yeah, adelaid to Sydney and PA was
where you met Donna. Correct, that's right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
So people bitch that they weren't the same car as
in it wasn't like that was that was diesel and
that was the EV version. So we thought, well let's
make it equal and BMW had the seven Series available
in both petrol and EV and we thought.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
We'll give it a crack.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Obviously, they are very expensive and not a realistic car,
but if you just transpose those two cars with any
other two cars that have an internal combustion and an
EV version, you can kind of follow the same routine
and further caveat to that is, obviously the seven Series
is heavy, and if you did it in a lighter
electric vehicle it would be different. But the premise is
(02:45):
the BMW claims to do at least five hundred kilometers
on a single charge. So in the future, when cheaper
evs have more range and a lighter and blah blah blah,
this should be the same story. So anyway, we set
off from Melbourne and I thought it's going to be
a bit uneventful list because you know, the BMW.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Is just it just kind of just works.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Everything was fine then halfway Our plan was to stop
at Tarcuta, which is halfway between Melbourne and Sydney.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
What was it called Tarcuta? Tarkata, It's like the sounds
regional town I probably did radio in once upon. It's
just about bloody half an hour from tear a bag apart. No, No,
my down the road from Kicking Can around Tarakata.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
So halfway there, I got a message from Jade in
our office and she goes, oh, have any of the
EV charges worked?
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And I said, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (03:34):
And she goes, the Optus network is down and I'm like, yeah,
so what So at these EV charges it has to
authenticate your credit card and stuff, and half of them
were on the Optus network. So I was at this
point about half an hour away from Tarkata and that
was our destination. And I said, look, we can turn
around and go somewhere else. But I mean, this is
(03:54):
part of the story, right if I if it doesn't work,
then you guys continue driving and I'll just hang around somewhere.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Else's the problem you get a children too.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It listened to Gordy's success or a Tarkata a FM,
the Sound of the Coast or the Sound of Inland.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Which the music we all love now huge Blinda carlor.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So anyway, I started getting a bit of range anxiety
because I arrived at Tarkata with two percent battery left,
like it was almost empty. And the other thing we
were going to do on this trip was make sure
that we didn't put it in e Co Martos left
the AC on twenty one degrees. It was bloody hot,
cooled seats running, all that sort of stuff. So anyway,
this was the like the only charger in the country
(04:35):
that actually still worked. That's incresed some reason. It must
have been on Telstrue. They may not have had optors
there or something. So thankfully that worked. Put a bit
juice in it and anyway, long story short, we got
to the end and the EV cost so all the
charging we brim them at the start, so when we
started the road trip it was one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
That's a thought. He was there to help with that bit,
just paul A Joe so having a good brim session.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
So both of them were brimmed at in Hawthorne in
the back the nozzle in there.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Right, So the EV total cost one hundred and thirty
one dollars and ninety two cents one.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Point thirty one for the EV yep Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The petrol car, so this is premium unloaded ninety eight
run it costs one hundred and seventeen dollars, So it
was cheaper to do the trip in a petrol car
than it was to do it in the diesel.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Someone else did a report on news dot com dot
you about about this a similar sort of a thing,
and just saying how much it costs to get from
say Sydney Melbourne and v as opposed to the usual trip,
and not as precise as yours. Obviously not a proper test,
but just an observation and interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So yeah, look, I mean, obviously the BMW would average
just over twenty killer what hours per one hundred ks.
If you do it in a more efficient car, it'd
probably about sixteen or fifteen depending on the car.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Having said that, you're filling up charging up on the road, right,
so it's going to be a different cost if you're
using this car, like obviously around town as a commuter
and you're charging it.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
If you're charging at home, obviously it's cheaper. And also
if you're going to a destination where there's free charging,
then you would lop thirty three dollars off the charging price,
which was the final cost that we had to put
in there, so then it would it would become cheaper.
But if you're on a road trip, which is what
people do, you're going to be using public charging infrastructure,
and you may not have charging your destination. So this
(06:30):
is just a fair way of doing it so that
we can have an Apple's for Apples comparison. And the
other thing as well is that electricity prices are getting
more expensive. So at the moment, it was costing between
sixty five and sixty nine cents per kilo what hour
to charge these cars. So you can imagine in the
future as electricity prices keep going up, it is just
going to become more expensive because these fuel companies are
(06:53):
just going to want to make the same amount of
money as they did off you when you were filling
it up with petrol or diesel.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's funny, though, we hear so much bitching and moaning
about the price of petrol, and no one in their
EV's is complaining about the price of charging them on
public charges. Really yep.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
And you know the other thing I'm going to throw
into the mix as well. At the moment, forty odd
cents per liter of fuel goes to the government, So
the second you remove that, they're going to have to
add that on to your charging for an EV eventually,
because they're not just going to relinquish billions of dollars
in fuel excise, So it is only going to become
more expensive to charge an EV on public charging infrastructure.
(07:31):
But if you're like me, we haven't paid for the
past year a single cent to.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Charge our EV at home your tesla.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yeah, because we're in an apartment building and we use
common electricity.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So it's just paid for by all own it's not
it is paid for by body in theory. Yeah, so
it is.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, but it's divided by everyone, so it isn't a
fair system.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But so where you have this, so everyone who's not
hang on, so everyone in your apartment building who's not
an EV owner is essentially paying for your Aye, you
sneaky bastard. And an't you like the bloody chairman. We've
moved out of that building, so is used. There was
a few little you don't talk about that. Yeah, that's fun.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
But yeah, so I think for every case where you're
paying for stuff, you're going to have an offset where
someone has sol or batteries or whatever. So it sort
of balances out in the grand scheme of things. But
I just thought it was an interesting thing to do.
And yeah, so that that story will be out shortly
and have a watch.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Of the video Joe and I.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Joe isn't a fan of EV's, so you can imagine
how much shit he was hanging on me in the
video when we discovered that there was an opt us out.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
This new apartment building you're in, Is it like a
gated style community if you've got some sort of care
going on? Yeah? Have you got help? You don't have
the maide in this one. You had that in the
last one. Yeah, So where are you living right now?
Let's share it for everyone. Share your address so people
(09:04):
know where to send hate mail pooh bombs. I remember
the pooh bombs in the bag. Send most a little path.
Why you told your boring story about EV's and bloody
Joe Achilles or whatever his fucking name is. I was
too busy drifting around a track. Oh how'd that guy? Yeah,
I'm going to talk to We'll talk about this in
the next episode, but just a quick one of shout
out to Drift School Australia on Instagram, who reached out.
(09:26):
I had a bloody fun day. Fernando who runs the thing, Well,
he'll go deep into the day and talk about I
think he's gonna give me a bit of a score
on my progress. Do you know one thing I did? Notice? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Well, I can give you the score now if you want. No,
Actually I did pretty bloody well.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Have you know? Do you know the hardest thing I
realized isn't so much the actual act of drifting. It's
to kind of kick the car around to that perfect
sort of angle. That was That was the hardest point. Like,
it was interesting how they start the day off, because
you kind of lead up a drifting, they kind of
teach you the basic sort of foundations I guess of
what you're going to need to kind of get to
(10:05):
that point. So like doughnuts and all sorts of stuff
which are nailed. The fact that they had sitting risen
from seven eleven polished those off. But yeah, so all
that sort of stuff was. It was great. It was easy.
It was sort of but the one thing that I
thought was going to be I thought the actual getting
(10:26):
into the position of a drift would have been the
easy part, and it was holding sort of that position
that would have been the hard part. But it was
for me, it was completely the opposite. Once I was
in sort of drift, that was kind of easy to
find that friction point generally and balance around. It's just
kicking that fucking car around. And there's a few different ones.
They had utes and nice. They had three point fifty
(10:47):
z which was highly modern. Yeah, I know, but I
like that. I preferred it. It was just nice and
easy Tardi. Uh what else did I think? They had
a Sylvia too? Ute? Sounded fucking yeah, Commodore? Yeah, yeah, nice,
really good, very nice. But yeah, a great day. We'll
chat about that in the next one. But shout out
to shout out to those guys. Go go buy yourself
(11:09):
a nice little Christmas present. Often because they it's an
interesting one because you know when you do those sort
of experiences, the bloody you know, red balloon or experience,
you know, all these sort of car experiences. He sort
of think to yourself, Man, they stack up in cost.
And then I was talking to a couple of the
instructors about just the running costs of this thing, and
(11:30):
it's huge.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Well, yeah, put it this way, if you were to
take your own car, you would And this is the thing.
Their cars are engineered for that driving. They've got a
proper either a locked or of very limited slip differential,
which isn't on a standard car, and then in addition
to that, they've got extra steering angle as well to
make it easier to drift. You've got engine modifications for
(11:51):
additional card. So if you were to go take your
own car there, you would probably do a thousand dollars
worth of damage by the time in one session everything.
So yeah, I always say to people, whenever you look
at track days and stuff where you're not supplying your car, Yep, whatever.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
The cost is, it's probably worth it. They've got. One
of the instructors was saying, because he went through the
school himself and then loved it that much, he sort
of kept going with it, and now he's an instructor.
But he was saying, five years ago he'd pay I
think it was like one hundred bucks a tire. Right
(12:26):
now it's two hundred bucks a tire, right, So all
those sort of things have doubled. Things like you know,
as you said, the mods, the handbrakes, like everything. Engines.
People used to buy.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
LS three engines that they would stick in stuff, and
if you didn't buy a crate engine, which were quite expensive,
you'd go and find a wrecked car that had a
rear impact and you'd.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Just salvage the engine.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Now you cannot find an LS three or a barrower
anywhere because people have just gobbled up everything. They're no
longer making barrows, so they're impossible to find. So of
the few that left, they're demanding high premium. So to
actually build a drift car today, this.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Culture is the ultimate environmentalists. They're really easy. Well that's it,
there you go, green, Yeah, Greta get on block. Can
you imagine Greta doing the drift? How dare you? I
should be in school? No, sorry, she's no. Thanks. Oh
you know what else I did? I just spend some
time in a BYD Dolphin. Oh, there you go. Yeah,
(13:28):
I enjoyed it. Yeah, I enjoyed it. It's quirky. It's
a quirky little thing. Do you know what? The interior
is not as full on, I guess as the ATO three,
but it is much cheaper, isn't it. Yeah? Well yeah,
you're looking at around about forty thousand dollars. It sort
of competes with the MG four. It was a bit
of a bitch, sessh because when I think MG four
(13:49):
jumped on, they launched with forty thousand dollars. Ye, drive
away or something like that. These guys undercut MG by
one hundred bucks drive away, so technically they're Australia's most
affordable EVA. If I was sort of comparing it to say,
the MG four, I think the MG four looks I
don't know, it's it's Apple's oranges one sort of styled
a bit more aggressive than I quite like the MG four.
(14:11):
But the MG four's interior compared to the BYD interior,
I thought the BYD nailed it. Like they've got better tech.
It looks better. It's obviously doesn't have that ridiculous quirk
that the A three kind of had with the strings
and stuff like that. But it's really well, it's really
well put together. Inside, the text really good. I think
it does a better job of the interior. Generally, I'm
(14:32):
looking forward to the the X. Yeah, the Seal is
going to be great. I think we're doing something with Luke.
Look out for that. You strap the wet suit on, yeah, yeah,
when you're in the Dolphin, it actually does make that
sort of it's the sound of a dolphin even when
you push the horn. It is showing that electric cars
(14:56):
are getting much much cheaper in Australia. Sorry, with the Dolphin,
is when you pass another dolphin driver in traffic, like,
rather than sort of give the knowing wave, you can
just throw a piece of fish at them and they
balance a beach ball on their head. It makes SENSEA look,
just a quick one on that. We won't to a
full review or anything of it, but I think it
(15:18):
should definitely be, definitely be on people's list because it's
it's a great little car and it's fuck it's thirty
nine just under forty thousand drive away. Yeah, yeah it is.
It is cheap. We actually did a drag race between
the MG four x Power and the I seven seventy.
Oh I've got the x Power Monday. I'm looking for
(15:39):
it too.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
So that was sixty grand versus three hundred and fifty grand.
So yeah, you can head to the car Expert channel
to check that out.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
It is just tell me the result right now. No,
it was actually half half one half of them and
the BMW on the other half. Yeah, it was really
quite fascinating. How did you find before I get into
this thing? How did you find it with the because
this thing's dual motor or will drive sort of situation
going on? Yeah, look, it was.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay in a straight line, but when we started sort
of getting up at around the right and handling track.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It has a few quirks that I wasn't a fan of.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So it's got a talk vectoring system and an electronic
locking differential, and none of that works really well with
the stability control, so it's constantly biting and doing weird
stuff mid corner. So I think that needs a little
bit of work. But outside of that, breaks were good.
Handling was pretty good for sixty grand. Yeah, and not
complain you can't really good like.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
That's what I'm looking forward to is the fact that it's,
you know, the handling should be a little bit better
technically than the m FALL the standard YEP.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
But the other thing as well is that I don't
love the battery capacity. It's using the smaller battery, so
you only getting rated range of three hundred and fifty k's.
Our range on the day was two hundred and the
bad tree was flat, so we did a lot of
hard driving.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
But one hundred k's of that. One hundred and ten
k's of that was highway driving to get there. Now
that I'm a drift expert, does that have a drift mode?
I don't know. That's the other thing they need to
fix as well. It's sort of that needs to get
sorted to. But otherwise, sixty thousand dollars, what is that?
Zero to one hundred and three point eight Yeah, fucking
hell yeah, it is quick. It is quick. There is
(17:24):
still something a little bit underwhelming going fast in an
EV rather than a three hundred and fifty thousand dollar Porsche.
Thanks very much. That's true, you know what I mean,
just lacks that sound and emotion, likes that everything. Oh hey,
here's an interesting story that pops across my desk, thanks
(17:46):
to you. Gone hey. So monsh hospital has decided to
ban EV charges. Now, I thought they were just kind
of saying no to the whole no to EV charges
in general. But they've literally pulled the ones that they've
got out and said, nah, it's not happening. Yeah. According to.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
The story on our site, so Mono Shealth has banned
electric vehicle charging in its hospitals and medical centers, citing
a work Safe Victoria's safety alert warning that evs pose
a fire risk. So the exact wording from work Safe
was when overheated lithium ion batteries of all sizes can
catch fire, the fire is often hard to put out
and the smoke from the fire can be toxic. So
obviously you can see how that's an issue at a
(18:27):
workplace where where it's a hospital, because you've got sick
people that are already. So the recommendation is that electric
vehicles with lithium ion battery should not be charged close
to office spaces or near people, and that there should
be a dedicated charging area that's separate from areas where
people are working.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Fuck, what do they want to paddock?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Well, I mean it seems that way. But yeah, I
just find it. I find it really interesting that you
know this is happening. We published also content recently about
a big body corporate firm here in Melbourne that has
recommended to owners corporations that they don't install EV charges
(19:08):
or charge vehicles apartment building.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
So this is obviously an area of concern and there
is no kind of ruling on this yet. There's just
all this loose advice.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
So but I mean, and this advice is essentially coming
from I would imagine government bodies things like you know,
like for instance, in New South Wales, I know, the
New South Wales Fire Authority. You know, these people did
like a full report and we're saying how difficult it
is to put out ev fires.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
It's a fact, right, So a lithiumine battery fire gets
thermal run away and is almost impossible to put out quickly,
so that there is no known way of doing it quickly.
They've created like dunking bars where Ukraine like a smoldering
Jesus fire into this immerse it in water until it
(20:01):
is well and truly safely out. That's impossible, well, almost
impossible to do in an apartment building or near or
underground car park or something like that, because you can't
pull the car out safely. So it is a genuine issue.
There are very few instances of electric vehicle fires, so
it's not as if this is happening every day, but
when they do happen, it's obviously bad news. And I
(20:22):
think a lot of this is stemming from the fires Leaven.
Last night on the news, a family lost half their
home because an electric bicycle they were charging over an
either course.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Fire and took half the house out. Trev talked about
this in the podcast a couple of weeks ago. You question,
like where the charging cables coming from and all that
sort of stuff. That's the problem. There's a bicycles and scooters.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You don't know how they manufacture, You don't know what
safety tolerances they have, probably very low, given they're selling
them kind of anonymously, and I don't know who's actually
checking that is the government who knows. Electric cars I
think are a fast, safer alternative. But obviously an electric
car catch fire is significantly worse than a scooter catching
fire because it is a much bigger battery. So yeah,
(21:06):
look at you something to look at if you do
want to protect yourself if you buy an electric car
that has an LFP battery, So that is typically the
Chinese electric vehicles like the Tesla's, the BYD's, and that
the cheaper versions, they tend to not have a lithium
ion battery that has that thermal runaway property. These can
still catch fire and can still be hard to put out,
(21:29):
but they're not anywhere near as bad as a lithium
ion battery.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So would we have the same problem. It's going to
sound like a dumb question, but I'm used to it now. Yeah, fine,
go ahead, just like a real lie. We have the
same problem in hydrogen cars.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Well, hydrogen cars are slightly different. So with a hydrogen car,
it's you don't have that thermal runaway. So when hydrogen escapes,
it escapes quickly and it disperses quickly. So if you
do get hydrogen escaping, it's going to burn. It's not
a visible flame, but it will burn quickly and dissipate.
Problem with hydrogen is that if it makes its way
(22:01):
back into the tank, the tank is heavily pressurized. If
you then get ignition in the tank, then that's a
bigger problem because you have a huge amount stored in
this space and you can get a big explosion. But
there are a huge number of protections in place for
hydrogen vehicles, so they have leaked detection internally, so they
can one way valves for hydrogen escaping the tank as well,
(22:22):
so there was even in terms of car accidents. Toyota
had vision of them firing a m whatever gun with
some giant bullet at hydrogen tank ause they're multi carbon
layered tanks and basically it took them two shots in
the one same spot to penetrate the tank. So if
(22:43):
you can fire a giant military rifle at a tank
twice and it's still not coming.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
From a guy who has a military car by the way, Yeah, correct,
what else you've got? There was still no explosion there.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Then I think they are significantly safer than what people
think of HydroD So so yeah, I don't know. It
is an interesting time, and it is worth keeping in
mind that when an internal combustion car catches on fire,
you literally have a fuel tank.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
It has a huge source of flammable liquid.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, under exactly, So it is actually just as bad,
but it is easier to put out. The problem is
if you get an internal combustion car catch on fire
in a car park and there's evs next to it,
you can just see the compounding effect if they all
catch fire.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
So yeah, it is. It is interesting.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
So keen for your feedback on this. Contact at the
Drivers Show dot com dot au. Let us know what
you think about this. Do you think that this is
a problem. Would you buy an EV if you lived
in an apartment building? Do you support charging them at
work in inclosed spaces? Let us know what you reckon
the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Of the I'll get rid of that, don't worry. Hey,
so Cherry's got a hot new accessory. I know you're
a big fan of it. It's got a little thorhammer. Yeah,
it was great.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
We were testing the Cherry Tigo seven Pro what's called
Tigo seven that voice though, and I sort of opened
the center console and I'm like, oh, what's in this
little leather bag? I thought it was perhaps some I
opened it up and I'm like, oh, Gord, he's like
one of his toys in here. But it was basically
(24:22):
a hammer similar to what a juvenile in Queensland would
use just before they steal your car. It basically has
a solid tip on it and you just literally tap
it on glass and it will shatter the glass. And
then it's also got a seat belt cutter built into it.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It sounds like something from Trevor's bottom drawer.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
So it's designed here just in case you are in
an accident where the car you can't get out, you
go straight to your center console and whip out the
safety hammer.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
I kind of feel like if a car is supplying
that they might know something we don't do, you know
what I mean. It's like, you're the first car that
I can remember but apart from like one of those
little busses that you go on Bucks parties at that
come with an actual little hammer to bust out in
case there's a fucking accident. But think about it this way.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
It's actually not a bad idea because if you're in
a serious enough accident where your power supplies cut off
and your car has electric windows, which is every car
on the market, so you have to smash a window
to get out. Yeah, smashing a window is hard to do,
so it is tricky to do, and if you are
stuck in a position where you need to get your
(25:30):
seat belts off as well. I mean that there are
a number of instances where this would be handy in
a Tesla. I mean not why in the back seat
you don't actually have an emergency release for the doors.
So in front seats you have emergency releases for the doors.
The back seat doesn't have any you have to well
it actually does, but you have to like remove some
carpet to find this thing.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
If you're thinking, to the bottom is the dumbest stable
at all time.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
So yeah, I can see why this would be handy
and perhaps something that Tesla could look at putting in
their cars.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Hmm, Well you could just call my ex girlfriend and
cheese some fucking break windows and shit all the time. Hey,
just quickly. I just wanted to get your thoughts on
Cadillac coming to Australia. Yes, because all they're sort of
bringing over here is a couple of evs, right yep.
I reckon it will be a complete waste of time
and money. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
So they're retailing out of Mauls, so it's where you
can buy them an online.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
And they're bringing electric vehicles to Australia and not cool
looking ones, like they look all right, but they're not
like there, what's the one that everyone loves, the big Escalade. Yeah, no,
that's not coming.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
So by the end of twenty twenty four, ittably the
Lyric crossover, so it'll be factory right hand drive. And
the reason I don't think it's going to work is
because the US dollar at the moment is completely screwed.
This is an expensive car in the US. It is
going to be very expensive here if you look at
how much they're charging for Corvettes, which are sort of
(26:53):
built in a similar fashion.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
And also no one really knows or cares about Cadillac
in Australia. Well, also, no one's going to get on
that point. Nobody's going to get really the exclusivity or
the sort of brand image of a Cadillac, Like someone's
going to look at a Cadillac and go, you want
how much for that car? I've barely heard of really
(27:15):
that American car that my grandpa had. Now and they've
said here executives made multiple mentions of Cadillacs selling in
exclusive volumes. Hey, whoever wrote that? Pr shit girl, take
the rest of the week off, because that is brilliant.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
This is this one though, a quote from one of
their executives as well, who said it's going to do
incredibly well here.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
That is a quote that is going to date very quickly.
I love that. That's what he said, Like that's is
she She said, it's going to do very well here.
Thanks for that. Do you sound like Pat Cash doing
commentary at the tennis That was a really good shot. Thanks. Sorry,
(28:00):
it's just bad cash, just fucking give me the shoots lately, Hey,
pricing for the new Triton. So I thought, sorry, I'm
so sorry. No no, no, no you go, no, no
you go, because I was just going to say, what
have we got a little Pavlai? But you go right
into this conversation for here straight up pricing, so no, no,
(28:23):
you go, thank you, So I'll go.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
So Mitsubishi Triton, there's there's a brand new model by
the time this goes to where I will have driven
it FII, but pricing is just lobbed. So it starts
at forty three six ninety for the entry level Glex
four x two. That's up three grand, and it caps
out at sixty three eight forty, which is up by
around seven thousand dollars for the GSR four by four. Now,
(28:48):
I thought they were going to go much harder with pricing,
as in I thought it was going to be a
whole lot more expensive than what it actually is. So
the fact that it caps out at just over sixty grand,
I don't think is the end of the world if
you have a look at where highlights pricing and range
of pricing has gone. So I think it's not as
bad as it could have been. It is still a
(29:09):
big jump for a vehicle that has changed but hasn't
changed a huge amount. So I'll be interested to see
what it's like to drive, what this new twin turbocharged
engine is like, and whether it feels like a big
enough improvement to justify the price what do you reckon
about the design?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I like this. I like this a lot. I think
it looks good. They've taken more of a sort of
a flat stance. It's starting to look a little bit
sort of that boxy American vibe about it. It definitely
looks tough. Yeah yeah, look even in the base like
it looks it doesn't look shit. Yeah, So look, I
don't know. I'll be curious to see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
The thing that they have to be careful of is
Chinese brands are cornering the entry level of the market.
They're pricing themselves really well. And if you look at
something like the Canon XSR comes with all the bells
and whistles, and that is just over fifty grand, a
little over fifty grand, So this is sixty just over
sixty grand, and it still doesn't have half the equipment
(30:09):
that the Cannon has. So you've got the Chinese at
the entry level of the market cornering on pricing, and
then you've got Ford and Toyta at the top end.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
These guys are trying to sort of slip in in the.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Middle but sort of jack their price up a little bit,
and it's like you gotta be careful with that because
soon you'll have no point.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Of difference LDVT six sixty. Yes, they look great and
they're cheap, and they're cheap, and they're TechEd up yep,
five hundred meters as well, so more than this. So yeah,
I think that they just need to be careful.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
They are the only ones with the ten ye warranty,
so I'll be interested to see how it drives, and that'll,
I guess, will dictate how it goes for them.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's a good looking car and it's fitted out well.
I just hope this works. It just feels like Mitsubishi
have been on this decline and I remember jumping in
the Mitsubishi the Gero Sport recently, Remember jumping in there,
going fuck, what has happened to me? It's a bishy Yeah,
it was just old bits of shitty. You put it
in there. That's an holy bit of good. Yeah, interesting times.
(31:11):
Hey did you see the Porsche Panamyror? What do you think? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, it's one of those cars that I'm surprised it
sort of still exists. Yeah, not that many are sold,
but that platform will be the basis for a number
of electric spin offs as well.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So I can see why they've sort of put some
effort into it.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
But yeah, it looks fine. I mean the old one
looked fine. I'm not really sort of hugely blown away
by it, but it looked nice.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
TURBOI hybrid YEP nine hundred and thirty n meters talk
zero to one hundred and three point twenty three point three.
It sounds good.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Biggest issue with that car was always packaging, so the
boot was terrible.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
It was hard to put anything in it. Back seats
were cramped.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So all of those numbers are great, but if you
still haven't fixed the core things with it, then I
don't really understand.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
You know, the most is non looking Porsche that Porsche make. Yeah,
it's it is just a car built for a certain market.
It's like you put a kid in the back or
the dog and you've got a Porsche YEP. Pretty much.
I think Donna would sit in the back of that Porsche.
She'd be all over there. You would love it. You know.
(32:20):
When you see those cute little images of like the
bulldog sticking its head out the window, it's like Dodda
would just be like, is that me tiding over me? Face?
Now that's me Labbia parafly. Have you missed me? Absolutely not?
(32:55):
Partly Hey do you want to talk ev? No, Yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
The twenty twenty four V nine prices start from ninety
seven thousand dollars for the entry level model Area rear
will drive all the way to one hundred and twenty
one thousand dollars for the top spack GT line All
will Drive.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'm not going to say too much about this other
than this is the shittest looking car I've ever seen.
Do not agree. I think it looks fantastic. It's horrendous,
and when you see it sort of driving at this
slow little stance, it just looks like a big, plotty
looking constipated hippo. I think it looks great. Did you
(33:39):
have the blue one, by the way, Yeah, it was
a matt colored matte blue ocean blue. That's the worst color. Like.
I even looked at it in the I think it
was like a gun metal gray. I thought the black
might kind of improve on this. No, the wheels and
it looked like bloody cam Art fry pants. Well, you
know the thing is with this car.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Whenever we drive cars, typically if it's new, people will
turn their heads and be interested in it when we
did our road trip to Sydney in the seven series.
It is such a polarizing design. I have never driven
a car that has turned as many heads as that
because it is just wow.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Everyone's like, what is that? The EV nine? Nobody cared, Ah,
nobody cared. It was so weird.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
It was in the top speek trim in ocean blue,
that matte color. Nobody cared.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
So I just found that really interesting for such a
polarizing car, just people weren't interested in it at all,
just based on my assessments. It's so terrible to look
at that. People will not look at it because they
will throw up a little bit in their mouth.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Well I think it looks good. So but let's talk
about the pricing. So it starts at just under one
hundred grand.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, pretty much. One hundred and twenty grand to get
this thing on the road. Yeah, well in the top
speck is one hundred and twenty plus on roads which
you're gonna want. You don't want the GT line, So
it is. It is a lot of money. And look,
I don't know, it's one of those cars where.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
The interior is beautiful, like they've done a really good
job with just making it look great.
Speaker 1 (35:09):
That I'll agree with that two tone especially does look good.
It looks like something from a range Rover or something
like that. And then you look at the steering well
and you're not in a range Rover.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
But we're talking here about a car that has one
hundred kilo what our battery in the top spectrium, in
the mid spectrium, and the best it will afford you
is five hundred and twelve kilometers of range top circle
do zero to one hundred and five point three seconds,
So it's.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Kind of quick. It's not bad, yeah, yeah, but it is.
It is a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
And when I sort of put this into perspective, so
the top speck seven seats one hundred and twenty grand
plus on roads, that is buying you a top spec
care Carnival which does your people moving stuff, plus another
car yep for fun on a weekend for the kid,
do you know what I mean? So I think that
while this had a lot of hype to start with,
I just don't know how much appeal there's going to
(35:57):
be here. There is a lot of appeal in the
entry level of the EV market as we're seeing globally,
the more expensive stuff from premium brands has just tanked.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
There's pretty much zero off road capabilities in this as well.
It's not like you can take it on the beach
or anything like that, right, Well, I mean you could
if you wanted to. But yeah, could you could put
a fucking Volkswagen Beetle on the beach if you wanted to.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I mean it's like anything. Should you Probably not,
but yeah, I don't know. I just I'm in two
minds about this. I drove it and enjoyed it because
it was quiet, it had lots of room inside, a
third road wasn't as spacious as I thought it'd be
for adults. Text great, it does all the sort of
techy electric stuff really well.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Charging speeds are goods, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
But if you look at it in the context of
the pricing and who was going to be buying this,
you're buying a car that weighs around two point seven tons,
so it is enormously heavy.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You can't really toe with it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
You can't really well if you can't toe with it,
but you just won't get any range. So for a
vicle it's this size. There are just so many other
things you could buy that will fit a wider brief.
You can buy a land cruiser that will do towing
off road. Seven seats, so.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Yeah, as a Sorrento got seven seats, Sarenha has got
seven seats.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It is a smaller vehicle though, this is on a
three point one meter wheelbase, so it is a big,
big old thing. So yeah, Look, I don't know, I'm
keen for anyone listening to this send us an email.
Contact at the driver's showed at Consday.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
What do you think about this?
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I mean one hundred and twenty grand or even at
ninety seven grand for the entry level that has a
smaller battery in less driving round.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
And you're getting a pretty basic interior in that entry level. Yep. Look,
I came across hard because I just looks as subjective
and to me this looks just something else. But inside
I think it looks great. Rooming again, one hundred and
twenty I just feel like this has got this is
very fifty to fifty on ticks and crosses, and it is.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Worth just noting as well that one hundred and twenty
grand for this is cheap in a seven seat electric
vehicle sense. So if you were to pretend that the
world only had electric vehicles, now this is actually reasonably
priced compared to like.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
A Model X and other stuff as well.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
So if you were one hundred intent on buying an
EV for whatever reason, whatever your reasoning is, then this
is actually not bad value for money. But when you
look at it in the context of everything else that's
on the market, then it really starts to not.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Make a great deal of sense. I don't think this is.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
This is this benefits from any subsidies either, because it's
too expensive. So it really does make you wonder who
is going to be buying it and in what volumes
will they bring it into the country, because that'll be
the other thing. I mean, we saw with the EV
six when that was launched, it was impossible to get one,
So what is this going to be like in comparison.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
They did with the EV six. I quite enjoyed that car.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Well, they brought in a few, but you remember at
the time there was like a two year waiting list.
So they're now bringing in more of them, and Henda's
bringing in more of their stuff as well.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
But yeah, should we read some questions comments, Questions you've
got mel This is a good question. This comes from
shout out to Marty. Oh, this is from Marty who
does a podcast called the Jizz Podcast. And guess who
I guess who was on it? Oh god, I know.
I thought we were going to be jizzing in a bucket,
but there was none of that anyway. Shout out to Marty.
(39:14):
Marty says, why does Paul complain about tesla's but he
drives one? Please help? Oh okay, but I don't complain
about them. Let's talk about your content. This week was
just a photo of you looking unimpressed in the back
of one, going ooh, the road is shooting the book
it is. I got into this going, oh, this will
be great.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I haven't been in the back of a Tesla before,
and about a minute into it, I'm like, holy shit,
this is terrible. There was no room in there and
the ride was horrific.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
I was in a Tesla here and it wasn't too bad.
What sort of tesla was it? Model three? I don't know.
This one was shit. So how old was yours? It
was just a Model three. They haven't really changed much.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
There's a new one coming that will hopefully fix the suspension,
but it was horrendous.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I still think that Tesla Model three is one of
the quieter out of all the evs, Like so many
evs are jump into and going, oh god, is a
bit fucking noisy in here?
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Still, like the new one actually has acoustic glass and
an additional sort of noise reduction.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
So I think it's advertised it. There's a there's a
great piece of advertising on their guess insta where the
windows are down busy traffic, then they put the windows
up and it's as quiet as anything. And I mean
sure they probably I bet that's not Yeah, I bet
that's not dufted. But but just on that, I'm not negative.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I just point out stuff that is shit about them,
and just like every other car, there is stuff that's
shit about them. And I'm not one of those Tesla
fanboys that just thinks the cars are absolutely the best
thing ever, which is what a lot of owners do.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
So clearly they don't like it. Tough titties. That's the
Pavla Report. Thanks for joining us on the program this afternoon.
That's Pavla's opinions call us now coming up next to
the Gordon Program. Now, what really grinds your gar is.
I'd like to talk about Punt Road and that Montague
(41:08):
Street bridge. Why does every fucking bastard just crush into
that bridge? Okay, here's another question. Hydrogen. Oh okay, So
this person's asked a few questions. Yeah, okay, and it's
just literally pick one. Okay, hydrogen or EV for what
for a car? Well, I there's a rapid fire question.
(41:28):
Can stop stop EV because I can't fill the hydrogen anywhere.
So that's that's an easy one. I'm going to go hydrogen,
just to be where are you going to fill it?
I'll find places. I'll go to the Young Day headquarters
and get them to bloody put it out. That's what
I'll do. Sixty six Mustang or seventy Chevell? Probably the Mustang. Yeah,
probably the Mustang. Good question though, by the way, this
(41:50):
comes from Ben Logan. Shout out to Ben Logan. Oh,
this is a good one ninety two land cruiser with
the LS one five liter Yeah, the old one, yeah,
or the brand new one. The old one any day
of the week. The new one's boring. Agreed. When there's
a new episode in the works right now, yeah, as
we speak, literally going on we get a lot of
questions about merch, and I get updates from gas at
(42:13):
Machines Plus and they are in the works. He sent
me T shirts. So we've sent the first batch of
merch out, so this second batch is in the works.
And then once that arrives, look at that our mugs.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
So yeah, once this batch is done, we will we
will make an announcement and get people some new merch,
send it out. I'm wearing my driver's show T shirt
at the moment. I wore it at SeaWorld. He when
I'm swimming with the dolphins?
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Did you attract that was your majorash foundation thing? How
was that? How was did you swim with the dolphin?
Speaker 2 (42:52):
I went to Seawell though, and it was ship Half
the stuff didn't work and the one ride I actually
got to go on without kids, which got finally got
to the front of the queue, sat down and it
broke down and there was a trainee running it and
he's like, oh, do.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
You want to just sit there or come back later.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
I'm like, well, I'm not going to sit here while
you fix this ride, and then it just sends me
off into space.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
No offense, mate, but like, yeah, no offense kid, But
it doesn't take a lot to work out. I don't
really want to be sitting on a broken ride at
the Gold Coast because if track records anything to go by,
I'm fucking out.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Yeah, so, I mean there was actually just very very
side pointing, very quickly. There was a thing on the
news last night about how they're going to implement more
safety protocols for carnival ride operators, and it just makes
you wonder, how have there not been safety protocols so far?
I just find that stuff bizarre. So anyway, see world, Yeah,
half the stuff didn't work. Would not recommend going.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
But even the dolphins were fucking working. Half the dolphins
were sitting on the sideline smoking nothing to damn, I'm
not fucking twisting my fucking body or ouf what. They're
very good. Yeah, I just made a dolphin say, like
Louis the Fly, I'm gonna get out of here and
(44:13):
show ma. She when I bushed out of here, Ma,
I'm going to show the world. Meanwhile, your your side piece,
Donna was sitting there going, pamly, you want to say
a real paupose, Han, check this out. This is the fish.
John West rejected, what's that next question. Meanwhile, you're like,
(44:38):
oh my god, where's Donna gone? Oh? I know, follow
the yellow drip road, Benny. He wanted to know about Rivian.
I was always interested to know how Rivian were going,
as they looked great but seemed to be reliable. But
unluckily they'll get here, they might eventually.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Rivian's current business, or the money making business, is the
massive deal they struck with them on to supply electric
trucks for their delivery business. So I think that's where
they're probably focusing a lot of their efforts, plus delivering
all their customer cars before they sort of get into
right hand drive.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Well, I need to catch a flight to India. Oh yeah,
where are you landing, Chennai.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
I'll be interested to see what the reception is like
when an Australian presents a passport after the World Cup.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I've heard did not go all that well, not that
I followed quickly. Is that a sports thing? I think so?
Yeah apparently So anyway, I'll leave my bat and ball
at home. If you enjoy this and hang on, don't
wrap yet. I don't know about India. Are looking forward
to in India? Tell me before we get Indian food
I love Indian food, so I've heard this and this
(45:46):
is a genuine thing. One of the countries on my
list is I would love to go to India. I
have been months before. I love to spend some time there.
I reckon it be awesome. Food was amazing.
Speaker 2 (45:56):
Some of the sites, like the taj Mahal when I
went the first time, was absolutely stunning.
Speaker 1 (45:59):
Like I was blown away with that.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Like you literally walk through You're in a queue for
ages trying to get in and then you walk through
this sort of gate area and then all of a
sudden it's there in front of you and it is enormous.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
It is amazing. So I like to say it in
my laugh, just get through the gate. And then she
puts her spectacles on and she's like, oh, it's not
actually spectacles. What is this nineteen twenties? Didn't we just
put my machine eye glass? John? Yeah, India is awesome.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
So I'm looking forward to that and I'll report back
on our next episode about how that went.
Speaker 1 (46:33):
My advice is, don't drink tap water, no unless you
want to lose twenty kilos. Hey, I might actually give that,
give it a go. I think you should do some shots.
Do some shots come back, Skinny give the az epic arrest.
Just do a couple of shots of Indian bloody bathroom water. Yeah,
that'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (46:50):
So yeah, So if you do enjoy this show, which
I think most people would, please leave us a rating
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Speaker 1 (46:59):
So if it's spot, I hit follow, hit rate, share,
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Speaker 2 (47:06):
In touch with us, contact at the Driver's Show dot
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Speaker 1 (47:13):
We get by the way, we get a lot of
d ms and they're hard to kind of tussle through,
and once you sort of get through to someone's conversation
and stuff like that, it's hard to if you if
you've got genuine if you've got genuine questions that you
want to know about, just email it straight straight there
and we'll get to it. Thank you.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
But yeah, so looking forward to getting old Cadoagus back
on the show. So I think we'll give that a
crack for the next episode.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
Basically, the plan is he's going to dress up as
Santa and True is going to come in and sit
on his knee and what he wants for Christmas. About
the first thing that comes up, Yeah, I don't think
Kdogan hasn't really come in a long time. I think
if he has, it's just dust. Thank you for listening, everyone,
(48:03):
goodbye here. We are sorry about the delay everyone. Paul's
been in surgery and gender reassignment and we will now
refer to him. What did the counselors say, we need
to call you. I believe it's Paulini. Yes, we're not
(48:26):
doing this.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
This episode is going to be three minutes of actual
stuff and then half an hour of stuff we can't use.
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