September 30, 2024 • 22 mins
Ever wondered why classic horror still gives us chills? Join us as we sit down with Scott, a lifelong horror aficionado, to unravel the magic behind timeless black-and-white films and legendary icons like Bela Lugosi, Boris Karloff, and Vincent Price. Scott shares his childhood memories of devouring "Famous Monsters" magazine and recounts the thrill of having his very own Frankenstein drawing published. We also dive into the art of suspense that these old films mastered, comparing it to the more gore-centric approach of today's horror movies.
Get ready to rekindle your love for the genre with our October horror movie marathon lineup, featuring all-time classics like "Alien," "Night of the Living Dead," and "Dawn of the Dead." From the atmospheric terror of Hammer films to the groundbreaking storytelling of George A. Romero, we discuss how these movies have left an indelible mark on horror cinema. Don't miss our exploration of Mary Shelley's pioneering contributions and the shift from practical effects to CGI over the decades. This episode is a treasure trove for any horror enthusiast gearing up for a spooky season binge!
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Speaker 2 (00:01):
dumb cool, weird podcast.
So, gentlemen, today we'retalking about horror movies from
our childhoods, like we'retalking like uh.
For me and nick it'd probablybe like stuff from the 90s and
80s and 70s.
And scott, what would that befor you?
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
probably uh 50s, uh early 60s, try 50s, early 60s.
Mine would be all black andwhite, the black and white
classics.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, nice, like anything from Bela Lugosi.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Bela Lugosi, karloff and of course, vincent Price.
Anything with Vincent Price.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So Nick is a very big Vincent Price fan.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I love Vincent Price's movies.
Good taste, the man isentertaining, absolutely.
We still gotta finish watchingthe Girl Bob-ombs, the who
Goldfoot and the Girl Bob-ombs.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, dr Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine.
It was like the one we's kindof like a.
Yeah, dr Goldfoot and thebikini machine.
It was like the, the one wewatched.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That was a great one.
That's good stuff we want weactually.
We watched a few of them likethe tingler.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, we've seen the bat, the tingler.
We've also seen the pit in thependulum.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We've also seen house of usher stuff like that.
Oh yeah, the pit and thependulum is great yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So folks, as you know , we're kind of coming up on
october and october is when meand nick usually do a lot of, uh
, horror movies for the month ofhalloween.
So you know, we're kind of justdoing like a preemptive, like
kind of talk about stuff likethat.
And so you know, we wanted tobring Scott in because Scott's a
baby boomer, he's 70.
(01:51):
And you know he's from thattime period of old school,
classic golden age horror, fromlike the you know mid 20th
century, and me and Nick arekind of coming from like a you
know eighties and nineties kindof perspective.
You know, because we usually domovies before the year 2000.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So Well, back then you know my style of the old
horror movies.
That's where they left a lotmore to your imagination, which
can really be intense sometimes.
Now, in my opinion, they relytoo much on the special effects
and all the graphic gore to makethe movies and it doesn't feel
(02:36):
the same.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Your imagination can really kick in and do a number
on you.
Yeah, Like what they did withthe very first Alien movie.
What really made that theydidn't really show the alien
very much?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You had all that stuff, but you saw it stalking
you.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But you saw it stalking you, though you saw a
little glimpse, but you didn'tsee the whole thing until toward
the end.
So you're like, is that it?
Oh my God, so your imaginationis really taking you through
that movie and really gettingyou to feel it more.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Gotcha, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, it does so much more for you than just all the
open gore.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean that's good.
I mean, one of the thingsthat's really important to me
when watching a movie is it'sthe same thing that always goes
with every movie.
It's like you show but youdon't tell.
You know, yeah, that'simportant, yeah, that's
important.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yep, and I think uh, I was going to say I think a
good movie too that I've stillwanted to see is night of the
living dead.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
The original.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, because, uh, from a little cut scenes that
I've seen here and there, like ashorts that people put together
, they do leave a lot more tothe imagination on how the virus
started, how people werehandling it and yeah, yeah you
know, it just kind of leaves itopen-ended and obviously it goes
10 years later into dawn of theday and then 10 years later
from that, you get day of thedead yeah well, it's like 10
(04:16):
late 10 years later, it's likefive or six years later into day
of the dead yeahthat actually that's that's true
.
Was that like?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
83?
78, 79 is when Dawn of the Deadcame out.
Yeah, so 78, I think, is whenit came out and 68 is when Night
of the Living Dead came out.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And we didn't get Land of the Dead until 2005,.
So that's a big gap between Dayof the Dead and Land of the
Dead.
Oh yeah, so Land of the Dead istechnically after everything
has gone down and the world'sgone to shit and humans have
basically built like asettlement that's from Land of
the Dead.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, land of the Dead felt like the weakest of
all the films.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, land of the Dead's not really a very good
flick, but me and my buddiesreally liked it back in the day
so we kind of went with it.
One of my favorite movies ofall time is obviously Day of the
Dead.
So, me and Nick, what we'retrying to do is we're trying to
find what we're going to do thismonth, and maybe a good idea is
(05:27):
maybe we should do a deadmarathon, maybe we should do
Night of the Living Dead, dawnof the Dead, day of the Dead.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There you go yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then maybe we should finish it off with I hate
to say it maybe Land of theDead, even though it's outside
of the wheelhouse of what weusually do, but maybe that'll be
like a good four movieprogression, you know, for this
type of thing.
I mean maybe, or maybe we coulddo.
Maybe we could do, uh, night ofliving dead, um, you know, dawn
(05:57):
of the dead and then day of thedead, and maybe we could do
return of the living dead, eventhough it's not a part of it.
But there was a, there was atime back then where they said
that was great.
Return of the living dead waslike a part of the series, at
least they talked about it.
So maybe we should just do that, maybe we should do those four
movies.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So so when and um what was it?
No, you said uh, what was thewhat?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, that's Return of the Living Dead.
Yeah, Return of the.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Living Dead yeah, they mentioned the Night of the
Living Dead and Dawn of the Deadmovies at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, as movies that are canon within their universe.
But George A Romero had nothingto do with Return of the Living
.
Dead that was a totallydifferent production company and
a totally different productionstaff.
Dead that was a totallydifferent production company and
a totally different productionstaff.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I thought it was funny when that zombie came back
at the beginning and they'relike what should we do?
In the movies they alwaysdestroy the brain or remove the
head.
Then they tried it and all itdid was just start screaming.
Worse.
I think that was a great film.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Maybe we'll do that for this month.
What do you think, Scott?
Do you think that'd be a goodseries to do for this month?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, that would be.
That would be.
Yeah, I think it's a little toonew, but I think probably the
best movie to finish offsomething like that, even though
it doesn't fit time-wise, isthe latest one with Brad Pitt.
What was that World War Z?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, World War Z.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean those zombies and that they were just
taking off like a mound of fireants after everything.
But that was pretty intense.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know there was a movie series called 28 Days
Later, and it's kind of likethat too.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I love that one.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, they kind of move like that too.
So Scott what would you say isyour favorite old school horror
movie of all time, like fromback in the day, like before,
before the sixties, let's saylike, uh, anywhere from 1930,
all the way up to like 1960.
What would you say is yourfavorite in that time period?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh, just the uh, my very favorite you know,
frankenstein.
Yeah, yeah, boris karloff andthen yeah, lon chaney jr for
wolfman.
Lon chaney jr is pretty good.
Yeah, and uh uh, shoot uh theuh.
I can't think of the actor'sname now, but the uh.
(08:24):
It was one actor that playedthe frankenstein.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Boris, Boris Karloff.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
No, not Boris Karloff .
This guy had an even moreclassic look than Boris Karloff.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Was it from the Hammer films with Christopher
Lee played Dracula and then Idon't know who I mean.
So in the Hammer films that didthose movies.
That was the 60s to the 70s, sothat was those movies.
That was the 60s to the 70s.
So that was Christopher Lee.
That was the guy that played inthe first Star Wars movie.
(08:56):
He played Marv Tarkin.
I'm trying to remember the nameof that actor, nick.
Help me out here.
What was it?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Peter.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Cushing, peter Cushing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah yeah, Peter Cushing.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So Peter Cushing, christopher Lee and I don't know
who else was in those monstermovies from the hammer films.
Those are all like Britishfilms.
So the British people didremakes of the classic monster
movies from the thirties andforties and they did it during
the sixties and seventies and Icouldn't really tell you who
played Frankenstein offhandCause, first of all I don't have
(09:28):
my phone in front of me so Ican't really tell you.
But I think I know what Scott'stalking about.
I believe.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
The actor who played the Frankenstein monster in
movies like Abbott and Costellomeet Frankenstein.
Okay, that's a fun movie, butthat Frankenstein to me had the
really coolest look.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So you say it was like the best.
So you say it was even betterthan the Boris Karloff look.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, he had more of the classic.
When you see pictures ofFrankenstein, it was more of
that look.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Gotcha.
Okay, that makes sense, so yeah.
So you were a big fan ofFrankenstein then, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, back when I was a kid, when I was 10 years
old, you know my favoritemagazine then was Famous
Monsters magazine.
I used to get that all the time, Loved that and I drew a
picture of Frankenstein that Isent into the magazine.
They published it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Oh nice.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Awesome.
Yeah, that was cool.
My first published works.
How about that?
Yeah, I would say yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Frankenstein is a pretty.
I mean I never was a big fan ofthe Frankenstein movies, like
the Frankenstein's monstermovies.
I mean you know it's prettycool.
So like Frankenstein waswritten although some people
don't know this, butFrankenstein was like.
The whole Frankenstein book waswritten by Mary Shelley, who
was actually a woman and she wasactually one of the credited as
(10:58):
one of the very first sciencefiction horror writers of all
time, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yep and Edgar Allen Poe even.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and it's a woman that did it.
So you know the Wokies that arewatching this.
There you go.
There's something y'all can runwith, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You should look up the story of how she did manage
to get that published with heras having credit.
That was quite a battle and shedid really good to get credit
for that.
She almost didn't Cool.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Like that, I like that, I dig that.
Uh, you know, nick, what isyour favorite horror movie of
all time?
Like from?
Like this, the 80s or?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
70s, so from the 70s, I really like the donald dead
film.
Donald dead, donald dead wasone of those things that you
know really kick-started.
I really think the dead seriesreally kicked off the whole
zombie genre, obviously, andwhat I liked about it was that
that that collapse of society.
(12:02):
Not only are you worried aboutthe dead, but now you're also
worried about the living who aretrying to take all your
resources, and you're kind ofgoing in between this different
kind of battle of dealing withthe remaining survivors from the
old world and trying to live inthis new world where the dead
walk and devour your fleshgotcha, yeah, and my favorite
(12:24):
horror movie of all time is, uh,the day of the dead movie from
1985.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And that kind of continues the series.
And what I really like aboutthat movie is it kind of shows
the aftermath of the outbreakand how everybody's dead.
And really that was the firstzombie movie that really showed
more about the humans and howhuman beings are kind of coping
with everything that's going on.
I mean, how human beings arekind of coping with everything
(12:50):
that's going on.
I mean, dawn of the Dead kindof touched on it a little bit
when they were in the shoppingmall, but I feel like Day of the
Dead really explored howeverybody was starting to lose
their minds and people were kindof grasping for more power in
that movie.
Oh yeah, and I mean they hadwiggling resources too.
Yeah, and you know, the thing isis you is in an age now where
we have, like Donna, not Donnathe Walking Dead, right, the
(13:14):
Walking Dead kind of touches onthose subjects and the thing is,
is a lot of people who you know, if you're watching this and
you're Gen Z and younger, youhave no idea that what you're
watching in Walking Dead hasbeen covered in Day of the Dead
in detail.
You know this whole concept ofyeah.
Yeah, and this whole concept ofoh well, we're trying to fight
(13:35):
for power, that's been donealready.
Go watch the walking, go watchthe Romero movies and you'll see
the progression of that, youknow.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Romero started it all .
He deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
No, he really does.
I like how he kind of describedhow he got that cameo in the
Nazi zombie game when they hadthose zombie campaigns, and he
was talking about the fact thathe liked his creation of the
zombie genre because it was kindof like the blue collar horror
film Kind of had to work alittle harder, had to open up
(14:08):
different avenues.
And I was like, yeah, you know,that is very true.
You know there's not just onebig bad that you have to face in
those movies.
You got to face like so muchmore.
You have so many other thingscoming to get you.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Mentally it's kind of like one of those things that
really kind of scares youBecause like yeah, if there's
like an undead horde, you knowyou're like crap.
I got to deal with that andthen you got to worry about a
group of bikers breaking intothe shopping mall.
You confiscated.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, well, to ask you guys.
So the guy asked you guys thiswhat you know kind of wrap up
the podcastback to old schoolhorror movies that you would
like to see that kind of I don'tknow kind of, you know that
kind of made like old schoolhorror movies really good, what
(14:58):
is a callback that you guyswould like to see, that kind of
like trigger people and makethem think, like kind of make
them, I don't know, kind ofappreciate horror movies again?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think, going back to leaving more to the
imagination.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, so show basically show, don't tell
Basically like show.
Yeah, okay, for sure.
What do you think, nick?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Shoot.
Uh, you know, I definitely wantmore imagination.
I also want some moreoriginality.
I want them to stop revampingold horror movies and bringing
them back with a slightlydifferent story.
You want new stories.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, new stories, new stories.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I want some new original ideas.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What I want is I want less CGI and more practical
effects because it looks morerealistic.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Oh yeah, that would be great yeah and more practical
effects because it looked morerealistic.
Oh yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Because, I feel like in the modern age, one of the
things that's kind of annoyingis we kind of rely too heavily
on those CGI effects and we needto rely a little bit more on
practical effects, becausethere's so many great makeup
effects artists out there, ohyeah, so that would be very.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Thank Rick Baker for his outstanding makeup work to
elevate.
You know what they did withsome of those creatures.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, absolutely so, like you know.
As a final conclusion for this,you know, I feel like you know,
we talk about different typesof movies from different time
periods.
What would y'all say is thetimeline for?
So we talk about the Golden Age, silver Age and Bronze Age for,
like you know, horror movies,and let's kind of wrap this up,
(16:42):
but what would you say was theGolden Age for horror Scott?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Golden Age for horror ?
Yeah, probably the 60s.
Yeah, probably the 60s.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Again because of the way they really got your
imagination working.
It's like, oh, what's coming?
So Hitchcock.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Hitchcock was a good example.
Right Hitchcock was awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, hitchcock was awesome and then it went into
people like Spielberg did a goodjob with some of his Jaws.
Yeah, Jaws.
So would you say that.
Was it Spielberg that did thatCreepshow series?
That movie Was that Spielberg.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, that well, that was part Stephen King, but I
think one of the greats kindsdirected or produced it.
I think it might have eitherbeen John Carpenter or Wes
Craven, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, that was really good in the 80s.
That had some really goodstories.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So would you say that the 60s through the 70s were
probably a golden age for horror?
Would you say that the 80s werea silver age for horror?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'd say so, yeah, what would you say?
That the 80s were a silver age?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
for horror, I'd say so, yeah, what would you
consider the bronze age, likethe 90s?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
uh, yeah, probably okay.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So then now, leading through the 2000s up to now, um,
you know, I feel like this ismy opinion, but I feel like
horror has been kind of stale.
I mean, there's been a few coolmovies that I liked, like, for
instance, I like the jeeperscreepers movie series.
Um, they were, oh yeah, that'sgood, that was pretty good.
I kind of like scream.
(18:20):
I feel like scream was a reallygood and that was west craven,
the guy, the same guy thatcreated nightmare on elm street,
uh, you know, and the night andyou know friday the 13th and
all that.
But the thing is, I feel likeWes Craven kind of brought
modern slasher flicks with thatone, so a lot of modern movies.
(18:46):
When it comes to that, they'vekind of tapped into the old
school adage.
So, basically, like Eli Rothand the guys that created, so,
like you had Hostel and you hadmovies, like you know, saw.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Green Inferno.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, green Inferno, like Saw.
So they were kind of tappinginto the old school 60s and 70s.
You know, like torture, porn,exploitation, flicks from that
time period where you saw peoplegetting tortured to death.
But now I feel like horrormovies now have become very
stale and I wonder where it'sgoing to go in the future.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, you're right, I agree.
Too much of the same old door,it seems.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, so we need something different, something
new to kind of scare people.
And you're right, we live in anage where it's kind of all
stale and it's kind of been thesame type of thing going forward
.
Just to kind of wrap things up,is there any final comments you
guys have about kind of howthings are now?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Again, too much of the special effects and gore to
keep me interested anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
They need better writing for a lot of their films
, not just the horror genre.
But there's been a lot of filmsthat.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Something that gets you jumping up out of your seat.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Something that makes you also want to go to the
theater.
I don't think there's enoughoriginal ideas, ideas.
I don't think there's enoughgood storytelling anymore.
It's just very much like kindof uh, they're running it by the
numbers each.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of predictable now I think
a really good example would beuh, the original house on
haunted hill with vincent prizeversus the one they made in 1999
.
So the original House onHaunted Hill with Vincent Price
versus the one they made in 1999.
So the original House onHaunted Hill.
The movie ends with it beingvery ambiguous whether or not it
was haunted or not, but theremake made it very clear from
(20:42):
the beginning that it washaunted and honestly, I like the
original because it was left upfor you to decide.
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
The haunting was also very good yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It was ambiguous.
It was haunting.
It was ambiguous.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Even the remake.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah yeah, it was ambiguous.
It was very ambiguous.
What was cool aspect of the oldschool horror films from the
60s is that you just had no ideawhether this was actually
happening to this character orif it was all in their head
Right, kind of like.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
American Psycho.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, american Psycho .
Yeah, american Psycho is a goodexample of that, example of
that.
But yeah, so that is thissegment we were just talking
about.
You know, horror movies thatkind of inspired us kind of.
You know the past, the present,future, you know, and it's a
dumb, cool, weird podcast and Iappreciate everybody being here
today.
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All right man.
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So, gentlemen, today we'retalking about horror movies from
our childhoods, like we'retalking like uh.
For me and nick it'd probablybe like stuff from the 90s and
80s and 70s.
And scott, what would that befor you?
Uh?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
probably uh 50s, uh early 60s, try 50s, early 60s.
Mine would be all black andwhite, the black and white
classics.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, nice, like anything from Bela Lugosi.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Bela Lugosi, karloff and of course, vincent Price.
Anything with Vincent Price.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
So Nick is a very big Vincent Price fan.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I love Vincent Price's movies.
Good taste, the man isentertaining, absolutely.
We still gotta finish watchingthe Girl Bob-ombs, the who
Goldfoot and the Girl Bob-ombs.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yeah, dr Goldfoot and the Bikini Machine.
It was like the one we's kindof like a.
Yeah, dr Goldfoot and thebikini machine.
It was like the, the one wewatched.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
That was a great one.
That's good stuff we want weactually.
We watched a few of them likethe tingler.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Yeah, we've seen the bat, the tingler.
We've also seen the pit in thependulum.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
We've also seen house of usher stuff like that.
Oh yeah, the pit and thependulum is great yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
So folks, as you know , we're kind of coming up on
october and october is when meand nick usually do a lot of, uh
, horror movies for the month ofhalloween.
So you know, we're kind of justdoing like a preemptive, like
kind of talk about stuff likethat.
And so you know, we wanted tobring Scott in because Scott's a
baby boomer, he's 70.
(01:51):
And you know he's from thattime period of old school,
classic golden age horror, fromlike the you know mid 20th
century, and me and Nick arekind of coming from like a you
know eighties and nineties kindof perspective.
You know, because we usually domovies before the year 2000.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
So Well, back then you know my style of the old
horror movies.
That's where they left a lotmore to your imagination, which
can really be intense sometimes.
Now, in my opinion, they relytoo much on the special effects
and all the graphic gore to makethe movies and it doesn't feel
(02:36):
the same.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Your imagination can really kick in and do a number
on you.
Yeah, Like what they did withthe very first Alien movie.
What really made that theydidn't really show the alien
very much?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
You had all that stuff, but you saw it stalking
you.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But you saw it stalking you, though you saw a
little glimpse, but you didn'tsee the whole thing until toward
the end.
So you're like, is that it?
Oh my God, so your imaginationis really taking you through
that movie and really gettingyou to feel it more.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Gotcha, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Yeah, it does so much more for you than just all the
open gore.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
I mean that's good.
I mean, one of the thingsthat's really important to me
when watching a movie is it'sthe same thing that always goes
with every movie.
It's like you show but youdon't tell.
You know, yeah, that'simportant, yeah, that's
important.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yep, and I think uh, I was going to say I think a
good movie too that I've stillwanted to see is night of the
living dead.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
The original.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, because, uh, from a little cut scenes that
I've seen here and there, like ashorts that people put together
, they do leave a lot more tothe imagination on how the virus
started, how people werehandling it and yeah, yeah you
know, it just kind of leaves itopen-ended and obviously it goes
10 years later into dawn of theday and then 10 years later
from that, you get day of thedead yeah well, it's like 10
(04:16):
late 10 years later, it's likefive or six years later into day
of the dead yeahthat actually that's that's true
.
Was that like?
Speaker 2 (04:25):
83?
78, 79 is when Dawn of the Deadcame out.
Yeah, so 78, I think, is whenit came out and 68 is when Night
of the Living Dead came out.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yep, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
And we didn't get Land of the Dead until 2005,.
So that's a big gap between Dayof the Dead and Land of the
Dead.
Oh yeah, so Land of the Dead istechnically after everything
has gone down and the world'sgone to shit and humans have
basically built like asettlement that's from Land of
the Dead.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Yeah, land of the Dead felt like the weakest of
all the films.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yeah, land of the Dead's not really a very good
flick, but me and my buddiesreally liked it back in the day
so we kind of went with it.
One of my favorite movies ofall time is obviously Day of the
Dead.
So, me and Nick, what we'retrying to do is we're trying to
find what we're going to do thismonth, and maybe a good idea is
(05:27):
maybe we should do a deadmarathon, maybe we should do
Night of the Living Dead, dawnof the Dead, day of the Dead.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There you go yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
And then maybe we should finish it off with I hate
to say it maybe Land of theDead, even though it's outside
of the wheelhouse of what weusually do, but maybe that'll be
like a good four movieprogression, you know, for this
type of thing.
I mean maybe, or maybe we coulddo.
Maybe we could do, uh, night ofliving dead, um, you know, dawn
(05:57):
of the dead and then day of thedead, and maybe we could do
return of the living dead, eventhough it's not a part of it.
But there was a, there was atime back then where they said
that was great.
Return of the living dead waslike a part of the series, at
least they talked about it.
So maybe we should just do that, maybe we should do those four
movies.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
So so when and um what was it?
No, you said uh, what was thewhat?
Speaker 2 (06:20):
No, that's Return of the Living Dead.
Yeah, Return of the.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Living Dead yeah, they mentioned the Night of the
Living Dead and Dawn of the Deadmovies at the beginning.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, as movies that are canon within their universe.
But George A Romero had nothingto do with Return of the Living
.
Dead that was a totallydifferent production company and
a totally different productionstaff.
Dead that was a totallydifferent production company and
a totally different productionstaff.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
I thought it was funny when that zombie came back
at the beginning and they'relike what should we do?
In the movies they alwaysdestroy the brain or remove the
head.
Then they tried it and all itdid was just start screaming.
Worse.
I think that was a great film.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Maybe we'll do that for this month.
What do you think, Scott?
Do you think that'd be a goodseries to do for this month?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, that would be.
That would be.
Yeah, I think it's a little toonew, but I think probably the
best movie to finish offsomething like that, even though
it doesn't fit time-wise, isthe latest one with Brad Pitt.
What was that World War Z?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, World War Z.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, I mean those zombies and that they were just
taking off like a mound of fireants after everything.
But that was pretty intense.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
You know there was a movie series called 28 Days
Later, and it's kind of likethat too.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I love that one.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, they kind of move like that too.
So Scott what would you say isyour favorite old school horror
movie of all time, like fromback in the day, like before,
before the sixties, let's saylike, uh, anywhere from 1930,
all the way up to like 1960.
What would you say is yourfavorite in that time period?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Oh, just the uh, my very favorite you know,
frankenstein.
Yeah, yeah, boris karloff andthen yeah, lon chaney jr for
wolfman.
Lon chaney jr is pretty good.
Yeah, and uh uh, shoot uh theuh.
I can't think of the actor'sname now, but the uh.
(08:24):
It was one actor that playedthe frankenstein.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Boris, Boris Karloff.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
No, not Boris Karloff .
This guy had an even moreclassic look than Boris Karloff.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Was it from the Hammer films with Christopher
Lee played Dracula and then Idon't know who I mean.
So in the Hammer films that didthose movies.
That was the 60s to the 70s, sothat was those movies.
That was the 60s to the 70s.
So that was Christopher Lee.
That was the guy that played inthe first Star Wars movie.
(08:56):
He played Marv Tarkin.
I'm trying to remember the nameof that actor, nick.
Help me out here.
What was it?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Peter.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Cushing, peter Cushing.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Yeah yeah, Peter Cushing.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
So Peter Cushing, christopher Lee and I don't know
who else was in those monstermovies from the hammer films.
Those are all like Britishfilms.
So the British people didremakes of the classic monster
movies from the thirties andforties and they did it during
the sixties and seventies and Icouldn't really tell you who
played Frankenstein offhandCause, first of all I don't have
(09:28):
my phone in front of me so Ican't really tell you.
But I think I know what Scott'stalking about.
I believe.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
The actor who played the Frankenstein monster in
movies like Abbott and Costellomeet Frankenstein.
Okay, that's a fun movie, butthat Frankenstein to me had the
really coolest look.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
So you say it was like the best.
So you say it was even betterthan the Boris Karloff look.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Yeah, he had more of the classic.
When you see pictures ofFrankenstein, it was more of
that look.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
Gotcha.
Okay, that makes sense, so yeah.
So you were a big fan ofFrankenstein then, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
You know, back when I was a kid, when I was 10 years
old, you know my favoritemagazine then was Famous
Monsters magazine.
I used to get that all the time, Loved that and I drew a
picture of Frankenstein that Isent into the magazine.
They published it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Oh nice.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Awesome.
Yeah, that was cool.
My first published works.
How about that?
Yeah, I would say yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Frankenstein is a pretty.
I mean I never was a big fan ofthe Frankenstein movies, like
the Frankenstein's monstermovies.
I mean you know it's prettycool.
So like Frankenstein waswritten although some people
don't know this, butFrankenstein was like.
The whole Frankenstein book waswritten by Mary Shelley, who
was actually a woman and she wasactually one of the credited as
(10:58):
one of the very first sciencefiction horror writers of all
time, you know.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yep and Edgar Allen Poe even.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and it's a woman that did it.
So you know the Wokies that arewatching this.
There you go.
There's something y'all can runwith, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
You should look up the story of how she did manage
to get that published with heras having credit.
That was quite a battle and shedid really good to get credit
for that.
She almost didn't Cool.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Like that, I like that, I dig that.
Uh, you know, nick, what isyour favorite horror movie of
all time?
Like from?
Like this, the 80s or?
Speaker 3 (11:42):
70s, so from the 70s, I really like the donald dead
film.
Donald dead, donald dead wasone of those things that you
know really kick-started.
I really think the dead seriesreally kicked off the whole
zombie genre, obviously, andwhat I liked about it was that
that that collapse of society.
(12:02):
Not only are you worried aboutthe dead, but now you're also
worried about the living who aretrying to take all your
resources, and you're kind ofgoing in between this different
kind of battle of dealing withthe remaining survivors from the
old world and trying to live inthis new world where the dead
walk and devour your fleshgotcha, yeah, and my favorite
(12:24):
horror movie of all time is, uh,the day of the dead movie from
1985.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
And that kind of continues the series.
And what I really like aboutthat movie is it kind of shows
the aftermath of the outbreakand how everybody's dead.
And really that was the firstzombie movie that really showed
more about the humans and howhuman beings are kind of coping
with everything that's going on.
I mean, how human beings arekind of coping with everything
(12:50):
that's going on.
I mean, dawn of the Dead kindof touched on it a little bit
when they were in the shoppingmall, but I feel like Day of the
Dead really explored howeverybody was starting to lose
their minds and people were kindof grasping for more power in
that movie.
Oh yeah, and I mean they hadwiggling resources too.
Yeah, and you know, the thing isis you is in an age now where
we have, like Donna, not Donnathe Walking Dead, right, the
(13:14):
Walking Dead kind of touches onthose subjects and the thing is,
is a lot of people who you know, if you're watching this and
you're Gen Z and younger, youhave no idea that what you're
watching in Walking Dead hasbeen covered in Day of the Dead
in detail.
You know this whole concept ofyeah.
Yeah, and this whole concept ofoh well, we're trying to fight
(13:35):
for power, that's been donealready.
Go watch the walking, go watchthe Romero movies and you'll see
the progression of that, youknow.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Romero started it all .
He deserves a lot of credit.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
No, he really does.
I like how he kind of describedhow he got that cameo in the
Nazi zombie game when they hadthose zombie campaigns, and he
was talking about the fact thathe liked his creation of the
zombie genre because it was kindof like the blue collar horror
film Kind of had to work alittle harder, had to open up
(14:08):
different avenues.
And I was like, yeah, you know,that is very true.
You know there's not just onebig bad that you have to face in
those movies.
You got to face like so muchmore.
You have so many other thingscoming to get you.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Mentally it's kind of like one of those things that
really kind of scares youBecause like yeah, if there's
like an undead horde, you knowyou're like crap.
I got to deal with that andthen you got to worry about a
group of bikers breaking intothe shopping mall.
You confiscated.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Yeah, well, to ask you guys.
So the guy asked you guys thiswhat you know kind of wrap up
the podcastback to old schoolhorror movies that you would
like to see that kind of I don'tknow kind of, you know that
kind of made like old schoolhorror movies really good, what
(14:58):
is a callback that you guyswould like to see, that kind of
like trigger people and makethem think, like kind of make
them, I don't know, kind ofappreciate horror movies again?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
I think, going back to leaving more to the
imagination.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, so show basically show, don't tell
Basically like show.
Yeah, okay, for sure.
What do you think, nick?
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Shoot.
Uh, you know, I definitely wantmore imagination.
I also want some moreoriginality.
I want them to stop revampingold horror movies and bringing
them back with a slightlydifferent story.
You want new stories.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Yeah, new stories, new stories.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
I want some new original ideas.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What I want is I want less CGI and more practical
effects because it looks morerealistic.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Oh yeah, that would be great yeah and more practical
effects because it looked morerealistic.
Oh yeah, that would be great.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Because, I feel like in the modern age, one of the
things that's kind of annoyingis we kind of rely too heavily
on those CGI effects and we needto rely a little bit more on
practical effects, becausethere's so many great makeup
effects artists out there, ohyeah, so that would be very.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Thank Rick Baker for his outstanding makeup work to
elevate.
You know what they did withsome of those creatures.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah, absolutely so, like you know.
As a final conclusion for this,you know, I feel like you know,
we talk about different typesof movies from different time
periods.
What would y'all say is thetimeline for?
So we talk about the Golden Age, silver Age and Bronze Age for,
like you know, horror movies,and let's kind of wrap this up,
(16:42):
but what would you say was theGolden Age for horror Scott?
Speaker 1 (16:45):
Golden Age for horror ?
Yeah, probably the 60s.
Yeah, probably the 60s.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
Again because of the way they really got your
imagination working.
It's like, oh, what's coming?
So Hitchcock.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Hitchcock was a good example.
Right Hitchcock was awesome.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yes, hitchcock was awesome and then it went into
people like Spielberg did a goodjob with some of his Jaws.
Yeah, Jaws.
So would you say that.
Was it Spielberg that did thatCreepshow series?
That movie Was that Spielberg.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
No, that well, that was part Stephen King, but I
think one of the greats kindsdirected or produced it.
I think it might have eitherbeen John Carpenter or Wes
Craven, I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, that was really good in the 80s.
That had some really goodstories.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
So would you say that the 60s through the 70s were
probably a golden age for horror?
Would you say that the 80s werea silver age for horror?
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'd say so, yeah, what would you say?
That the 80s were a silver age?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
for horror, I'd say so, yeah, what would you
consider the bronze age, likethe 90s?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
uh, yeah, probably okay.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So then now, leading through the 2000s up to now, um,
you know, I feel like this ismy opinion, but I feel like
horror has been kind of stale.
I mean, there's been a few coolmovies that I liked, like, for
instance, I like the jeeperscreepers movie series.
Um, they were, oh yeah, that'sgood, that was pretty good.
I kind of like scream.
(18:20):
I feel like scream was a reallygood and that was west craven,
the guy, the same guy thatcreated nightmare on elm street,
uh, you know, and the night andyou know friday the 13th and
all that.
But the thing is, I feel likeWes Craven kind of brought
modern slasher flicks with thatone, so a lot of modern movies.
(18:46):
When it comes to that, they'vekind of tapped into the old
school adage.
So, basically, like Eli Rothand the guys that created, so,
like you had Hostel and you hadmovies, like you know, saw.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Green Inferno.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, green Inferno, like Saw.
So they were kind of tappinginto the old school 60s and 70s.
You know, like torture, porn,exploitation, flicks from that
time period where you saw peoplegetting tortured to death.
But now I feel like horrormovies now have become very
stale and I wonder where it'sgoing to go in the future.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, you're right, I agree.
Too much of the same old door,it seems.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Yeah, so we need something different, something
new to kind of scare people.
And you're right, we live in anage where it's kind of all
stale and it's kind of been thesame type of thing going forward
.
Just to kind of wrap things up,is there any final comments you
guys have about kind of howthings are now?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Again, too much of the special effects and gore to
keep me interested anymore.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
They need better writing for a lot of their films
, not just the horror genre.
But there's been a lot of filmsthat.
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Something that gets you jumping up out of your seat.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Something that makes you also want to go to the
theater.
I don't think there's enoughoriginal ideas, ideas.
I don't think there's enoughgood storytelling anymore.
It's just very much like kindof uh, they're running it by the
numbers each.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Yeah, you know, it's kind of predictable now I think
a really good example would beuh, the original house on
haunted hill with vincent prizeversus the one they made in 1999
.
So the original House onHaunted Hill with Vincent Price
versus the one they made in 1999.
So the original House onHaunted Hill.
The movie ends with it beingvery ambiguous whether or not it
was haunted or not, but theremake made it very clear from
(20:42):
the beginning that it washaunted and honestly, I like the
original because it was left upfor you to decide.
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
The haunting was also very good yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
It was ambiguous.
It was haunting.
It was ambiguous.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Even the remake.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah yeah, it was ambiguous.
It was very ambiguous.
What was cool aspect of the oldschool horror films from the
60s is that you just had no ideawhether this was actually
happening to this character orif it was all in their head
Right, kind of like.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
American Psycho.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, american Psycho .
Yeah, american Psycho is a goodexample of that, example of
that.
But yeah, so that is thissegment we were just talking
about.
You know, horror movies thatkind of inspired us kind of.
You know the past, the present,future, you know, and it's a
dumb, cool, weird podcast and Iappreciate everybody being here
today.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
All right man.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
All right.
You want to sign up, take care,yeah, yeah, yeah, sign us out.
All right, thanks for having mestay sexy atlanta.
Thanks for checking out thedumb, cool, weird podcast.
We're a movie podcast now, somovie monday is every monday
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