December 12, 2024 • 59 mins
What drives a person to risk everything for a stranger? As we unwrap the captivating narrative of Daniel Penny, a Marine Corps veteran caught in a whirlwind of legal and public scrutiny after a New York subway incident, we pose the provocative question: When is it right to step into the role of a hero? We take you through the layers of racial dynamics introduced by District Attorney Alvin Bragg and the broader moral dilemmas that accompany such actions. By examining Penny's motivations and the ensuing societal challenges, we offer a nuanced perspective on the complex reality of modern-day heroism.
Turning the spotlight on the shocking case of Luigi Mangione, we dive into the unexpected and mystifying developments surrounding his high-profile murder charge. The interplay of internet sleuths and conspiracy theories adds an intriguing layer to this saga, revealing the power of media influence and public perception. Amidst this chaos, we empathize with Penny’s emotional struggles as he grapples with the relentless backlash. This chapter highlights the psychological burden carried by individuals thrust into the limelight by circumstances beyond their control, and the polarized societal reactions that follow these events.
The episode then broadens its horizon to address America's conflicting attitudes toward violence and the global stage's perception of leadership. From the Syrian conflict and potential U.S. involvement to the curious case of mysterious drones over New Jersey, we weave through these diverse topics, inviting listeners to ponder their own theories and insights. Join us as we embark on a thoughtful exploration of these pressing issues, aiming to provoke deeper reflection and foster engaging discussions among our audience.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's not like I don't see the intro thing counting
down.
I'm like, oh, I can take thatsip really fast.
Yeah, I can't.
No, I can't yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You should work at NASA, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Be so perfect there.
Oh my goodness, how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm good.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm good, I'm good.
Are you ready for Christmas?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I love this time of year, love the cold
weather.
I love the you know, thechanging scenery.
I I do.
I love it.
Um, I'm a hot weather guynormally, but uh this time of
year, the fall, and then in theearly winter.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I do love and, yeah, I'm um I'm better about it now
that I go to florida every month.
I don't I don't mind it so much.
I mean, at at this time of yearI get really.
I try not to get anxious, but Iget anxious anyway.
You know, just travel, that isthe weather going to mess things
up, you know.
(01:13):
So I'm like if I don't thinkabout it, if I don't talk about
it, everything will be fine.
But at the same time I'm like,oh my gosh, I've been really
lucky with my travel for thepast like probably like dozen or
(01:45):
so trips, I know.
I know I make I.
Why do I do these things?
Oh, oh, my goodness.
So we have a lot of stuff, uh,on tap today.
I just Clay was laughing at meand not a lot of not a lot of
presidential stuff, which iseven better.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, In the last few months focused on the election
and president Trump.
We got a little bit ofpresident Trump trump.
We got a whole bunch of otherstuff and we will kick that off
right after this.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so jumping right in.
I kind of like my title here.
I can't take any credit for it.
I saw somebody posted like ameme and it was a did you see
that?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It was a penny.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, so Lincoln's head with his profile.
Yeah, yes, so it was.
It was not an original thoughtof mine, I confess not that any
of you actually thought it was,I'm sure you didn't but yeah,
what a you know what a story.
Huh Like, this whole thing tome is just, it's just wild.
So I can't imagine that anybodydoesn't know what's going on.
(03:03):
But Daniel Penny he's a Marineveteran, marine Corps veteran.
He subdued a violent,aggressive man, jordan Neely, on
New York subway and the mansubsequently died.
And now I think it's importantto know if anybody that doesn't
(03:25):
know this story, it's importantto know that and it'll matter in
a minute um, that he was helpedby a black person and I'm
making a point of saying thisbecause there's a reason for
making a point of saying that,of course and he was saving the
lives of fellow subway travelers.
Um, because this guy wasthreatening to, you know, harm
people, hurt people, kill people.
(03:45):
But, of course, travelers, um,because this guy was threatening
to, you know, harm people, hurtpeople, kill people.
But of course, uh, whathappened, daniel?
Uh, no, uh, alvin Bragg and allof those clowns decided to, uh,
you know, make a, make anexample of him.
I guess that's the only way Ican look at it.
Right, they're like trying tomake an example of him.
Like you're not going to dothis on our subway.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, this is a a a don't take justice into your own
hands.
That's the angle anyway.
I mean it's a, you know, no, novigilantism, you know kind of
play and and in reality you knowyou could go.
You could make a lot ofarguments along the way in this
process.
You could argue he never shouldhave been charged.
(04:24):
But he was charged, he wasimprisoned.
He did spend some timeincarcerated, I think, as this
process went on, but the systemworked to an extent.
He received a trial.
It was a jury trial.
There were some challenges anddeliberation and then eventually
(04:52):
, you know, he was foundinnocent of all charges, whether
they were dropped or whether hewas found innocent.
All the charges were removed,you know, and he's kind of he's,
he's been exonerated in what hedid.
But yeah, you're right, alvinBragg, the district attorney,
you know the same guy who wentafter President Trump, the
district attorney.
You know the same guy who wentafter President Trump.
He turned this into a raceissue.
He turned it into a vigilantismissue.
You know all kinds of thingsand thankfully Some common sense
(05:16):
prevailed and Daniel Pennywalked away, a free man.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, you know, and it's.
It's hard enough to get peopleto stand up and do the right
thing anymore.
Right, you know?
And here's a guy who did theright thing against all probably
all better judgment, Althoughhe has said we actually we do
have a nice clip from him.
Just such an unassuming guy.
Yeah.
So here he is in his own words.
(05:39):
Let's watch that first.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I mean, I'm not a confrontational person, I don't
really extend myself.
I think this type of thing isvery uncomfortable.
All this attention andlimelight is very uncomfortable
and I would prefer without it.
(06:01):
I didn't want any type ofattention or praise or and I
still don't the guilt I wouldhave felt if someone did get
hurt, if he did do what he wasthreatening to do.
I would never be able to livewith myself and I'll take a
million court appearances andpeople calling me names and
people hating me just to keepone of those people from getting
(06:25):
hurt or killed.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, talk about a good guy, right, talk about a
good guy and to get villainized?
You know the way that part ofthe population has done is just
despicable and you know, as Istarted to say, it's a
discouragement for people to getinvolved in it.
And you know we don't needpeople to be discouraged from
(06:47):
helping their fellow man andwoman, and you know this is the
kind of thing that people aregoing to.
If they weren't alreadythinking twice, this will do it
again.
Thankfully, he was acquitted ofeverything, but once again, not
unlike the George Floyd drama,the left tries to paint this guy
(07:08):
like he was just this good guy.
You know all he was doing was.
You know he was just on the onthe subway, not a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The three most predominant voices in this.
Actually there's four.
Jamal Brown came out, tweetedyesterday.
This is an elected officialfolks Representative.
You know this is the right.
He's the fire alarm guy.
He started his X post with twoall white people, so that in and
of itself, I don't even have tosay the rest of it, I don't
(07:36):
have to read the rest of it.
You guys can all imagine, ifyou haven't seen it, what the
rest of that post on X lookslike.
And it was a threat of violenceis really what it was.
There was BLM representationthere, some of the leadership of
BLM making some of the samekinds of violent, you know, kind
of overarching, nonspecificthreats.
You know there was a statementby everybody's favorite idiot,
(07:59):
aoc, who said you know, this iswhy we don't ride subways, as if
this was unprovoked.
And then the most outlandishwhich is saying a lot for this
case, because there's a lot ofstuff here the most outlandish
was that young man's father ontop of it and I say father, I
don't say dad, right Biologicalfather, who essentiallyed him
(08:22):
multiple times in his life, lefthim to be, you know, the kids,
this young man who was, you know, killed at the hand, and I'm
totally in defense of DanielPenny, right, you know, killed
as a result of that chokehold.
You know that kid's mom passedaway when he was younger.
His dad abandoned him, he neverhelped him and now, all of a
sudden, his dad wants a civilsuit and he wants settlement for
(08:43):
this.
Rigged those.
And now, all of a sudden, hisdad wants a civil suit and he
wants settlement for this.
Rigged those are his words.
Rigged, you know the system's.
Rigged for undying who he nevergave a crap about in the first
place.
Let's not make any mistakes.
So, you know, in the wake ofthis, everybody is kind of
showing their true colors.
But I think, you know, that clipof Daniel Penny means a lot to
an entire generation of veterans.
(09:03):
And I say that because we and Iinclude myself in this as a
part of that generation we all,for 20 years, span Iraq and
Afghanistan.
A lot of us became prettyintimate with violence.
And we are not a violentculture as civilians.
(09:25):
No, not at all.
If we were, everybody wouldknow about it, because there are
literally 20 years of usfloating around.
Yeah, and Daniel Penny is, youknow, he's one of us.
So you know, we're not aviolent crowd, but we have the
capability, yeah, and to applythat selectively, the way he did
to protect those people, youknow, on the subway car and he
(09:48):
said it he wouldn't have beenable to sleep with himself if
any of those, if he had notacted and something had happened
to somebody on the car, hewouldn't be able to sleep with
himself.
I can promise you too, for allof you that feel like he's you
know he is a villain orvillainizing him.
He knew that this, you knowthat application of violence was
going to stick with him.
He didn't know that.
(10:08):
He that you know that, that hewas going to kill somebody as a
result, but he knew that thiswas going to stick with him.
We all know that instinctively,and so I'm sure he didn't make
that decision lightly.
I'm sure he did an instantaneousrisk assessment of you know,
this could happen, this couldhappen, this could happen.
But if I don't do anything,this could happen and this could
happen and he acted and Iadmire him for it, I
(10:30):
congratulate him for it.
You know.
I know he didn't go into thatwanting to kill that young man.
I know he didn't Right, butthat was the end result.
So you know, daniel Penny,while he has been exonerated and
found innocent.
He'll never be able to go onwith his life normally because
of the trial and because of thepress and everything else.
(10:50):
But I can promise you he is notunaffected by the idea that he
took the life of someone else.
He's not doing well because ofthat or inside of that.
I can promise you.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you made such a good pointand I think that is either
forgotten or ignored by thecivilian population that you
know, for the most part, men andwomen who have seen and had to
perform acts of violence onother people as part of their
career or calling, they usuallydo want to live like really
(11:25):
quiet lives, like theyappreciate the vet more than
anyone else.
I think there's an appreciationfor life and for peace and and
I I agree with youwholeheartedly I think Daniel
Penny is a perfect example ofthat.
I think you know he would haverather not.
You know, given the optionright, given the choice, he
would have rather not.
You know, given the optionright, given the choice, he most
(11:47):
certainly would rather have notright, yeah, yeah, and you know
, but this is so.
This is so typical of the leftand the people that they choose
to esteem, to put on pedestals.
And again another this isanother career criminal who
they're using as their posterchild.
(12:07):
Now Jordan Neely.
Let's see.
He had mental health issues, alengthy rap sheet I think I saw
like 44 arrests or somethinglike that who was threatening
people with violence on thetrain.
There are videos of him gettingin altercations with people on
the street.
He was a um for a period oftime.
I guess he was a michaeljackson street performer yeah
(12:29):
that's, you know, something theydid.
There's a video of him having analtercation with somebody you
know, attacking them essentially, um, so this is a really unwell
person and, you know, the bigfailing here, of course, is our
healthcare system and all ofthat.
I think he was homeless at thetime.
You know all of the things.
Now he can get tons of sympathyfor the conditions of his life
(12:54):
that put him in that position.
The father, you know, bad, bador neglectful parenting, a
system that cannot help people.
They're just overrun by mentalhealth crisis.
You know all of those things.
But it doesn't change the factthat he was trying to bring harm
on other people.
(13:15):
So it's not a point where yousit back and go oh well, he's
got problems, so we just let himgo, let him be, let him, let
him, you know, bludgeon somebodyor attack them or choke them.
Let him do it, cause he doesn't.
You know he's not well, come on, it's just absurd, all of it's
absurd.
And then to take that next step, which is what the left always
does, they pick their posterchild so that they can incite
(13:35):
riots which didn't work Right.
There were some marches, Ithink, nothing like the George
Floyd riots, and you know,everybody, I think, except
leftist elites, have gotten thememo that this isn't going to
fly anymore.
Nobody's falling for it anymore.
You know just your little crewof Looney Tunes who think this
(13:56):
is all a good idea and thatthey're going to drum up their
you know a cause for themselvesand BLM they just crept out of
the woodwork again.
Please go back to your mansionthat you bought with everybody's
money.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
There's a lot of things to you know really kind
of take a step back and look atand, and you know you hit on a
lot of it.
But it's like you know JamalBrown, this whole you know um
threats of violence againstwhite people.
You know he's, he says thatfrom an elected office, behind a
security detail that guy'snever going to, that's, that's
never a concern for him.
(14:27):
Nope, like Jamal Brown's notriding the subway, like that's
not happening Exactly, he's notexposed to that, right.
And so you know, had this,let's take Daniel Penny out of
the picture.
Let's say he wasn't on thesubway that day.
Let's say that you knowviolence, this guy did lose his
(14:48):
ass, you know what I mean.
He lost his mind and he didhurt somebody on the subway.
That would have been local news, right, For one night.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And then, and then he would have.
He would have been arrested,the person that he assaulted on
the train would have beentreated and released from the
hospital.
Right, he would have beenreleased on his own recognizance
or under some sort of bail, andthen nobody would have heard a
single thing about this everagain.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, the only thing the most right, the absolute
most you would hear Right,absolutely.
He would have done it again andagain and again.
And if you heard a blip aboutit at all, it would be somebody
saying something along those ofawful how nobody helps, huh,
people just sit around and letit happen.
Shame, if I was there if I wasthere.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I would have stopped it.
I applaud Daniel Penny, but Ialso feel for him.
I do, I totally feel for him.
I really hope, because this,you know, this whole thing has
been a I'm sure has been a, youknow, mental, social, you know
psychological strain, emotionalstrain on him and I hope that
he's got good people around himand a good support network,
because I know this hasn't beeneasy.
So, um, I, you know, I, I don'tapplaud him, you know, and I, I
(15:59):
wouldn't, I don't applaud, Idon't, you know, none of us hope
for violence, nobody hopes forwhat happened.
But I bought him for steppingin, having the courage to do so.
Um, and I, just, you know, Ihope that he comes out of this,
that he comes out of this, okay,because anybody who thinks that
he's not affected by it reallyhas no, clearly affected, right,
yeah, nobody, they don'tunderstand.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And he's highly recognizable.
You know he's got a verydistinct look.
I mean you can't miss them, youcan't miss them, you know.
So, no matter where he goes,he's going to be recognized.
It's going to be a long timebefore this dies down, so to
speak.
And yeah, he's got a rough runand, of course, just on the
human level, like you said, justthe emotional toll that that
(16:39):
takes on you, all of it, everyaspect of it, the actual event,
the aftermath, all of it.
And to know, you know, and justas a social media personality,
just people saying mean thingsto you on the internet in
general gives you pause, likewhat, like I'm just a person and
(17:01):
you are coming out with themost like heinous, vile comments
and things to say.
And then you have this and thethings that people have said
about him, and no doubt to him,as he's going in and out of
anywhere, really the courthouse,just on the street.
You know, that's a lot, that'sa lot.
That's a lot to take.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and it's not going to end for him anytime
soon.
Like his, his recognized, youknow, his recognition,
recognizability in public isgoing to last for a little while
.
There's a little bit of stingthere and so he's going to.
He's going to keep feeling thisfor a while, you know, and
sometimes it works against you,right, and and you know Penny's
(17:42):
case it's going to work againsthim emotionally, but sometimes
it works for the good, becausesometimes the McDonald's guy
figures out who you are andcalls the police.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes.
So I got to say everythingabout this story is a head
scratcher, like every singlepart of it and, as you can see
by the title, for me the biggestthing.
Again, I go back to how theleft has responded to any of
these events, any of the thingsthat go on, how the left
responds to it and some on theright.
(18:15):
There are some people with thisparticular.
There's some people on theright too that have made some
eyebrow raising comments andstatements and opinions about
the whole thing.
So, yeah, here we got a pictureof him.
Do we have a picture of him?
Or video?
Let's see what do we have?
Luigi, luigi, yes, luigiMangione, I believe.
So, yes, he assassinated I mean, it's no other word for it
(18:39):
really Murder, of course, butassassinated was what he did.
Ceo, what's his name?
Again?
Clay Bryan.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
United Healthcare was who he worked for.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, so yeah, sorry His name is escaping me but
murders him out in the street,cold blood, just shoots him dead
and manhunt happens.
They find the backpack, thisand that there's a reward, and
somebody in McDonald's of allplaces identifies him,
recognizes him and calls it inand he gets arrested.
(19:10):
And so the internet internetedand immediately, right and
immediately dug up.
You know, within it's not evendigging up, it's just typing the
name in the search bar and youknow everything, from his
Goodreads list to his I don'tknow Instagram or something.
You know, we're instantlyflooding all of the social media
(19:33):
platforms and he is not whatanybody expected him to be.
I don't think.
You know.
Everybody expected him to be,technically, honestly, a
left-wing loony and he doesn'tseem technically to be either
right or left right.
I mean, I don't think he reallyhas, there's not a lot of
political stuff from him.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
No, I mean I don't think he really has.
It's not a lot of politicalstuff from him.
No, I mean he does come from awealthy family.
He is Ivy League educated.
He did have some you know backsurgery and evidently some pain
involved and that's part of whatdrove him with this.
But you know, there was so muchspeculation right away,
including me.
Like I looked at this and I waslike within hours I was like
that kid's dead in a ditch,whoever away, including me.
(20:11):
Like I looked at this and I waslike within hours I was like
that kid's dead in a ditch,whoever that is.
Like I thought he was paid off,I thought he was, you know,
placed as a stooge.
And there's still somespeculation out there.
I don't know if you've seen theunibrow right.
There's the unibrow thing right.
Is this the right guy?
You know there's a lot there'sthere added up.
(20:33):
You know there was reports thathe had gotten on a bus from
Atlanta and come up to New York.
He'd been up there for a month.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
And now he's got a manifesto andyou know, and a ghost gun and
you know, a suppressor and allthis stuff.
None of it is really matchingup, which is why there's a ton
of conspiracy theory stuff goingon Right, because you know
(20:55):
we've been dumped a ton ofinformation.
None of it seems to line up ormake sense and you know the FBI
and the law enforcementcommunity that's managing this
hasn't done a great job of youknow kind of laying things out
as they know it.
But no, not politicallymotivated.
This is straight up like.
He hates all medical insuranceand specifically UnitedHealth,
(21:20):
and he decided he was going tokill the CEO as a statement of
sorts, and that was all in hismanifesto.
He acted alone and all of thatother stuff.
But the sick part of this isexactly what the banner says
this kid like.
The thing that grossed me outmore than anything else and
normally I just shake my head atpeople is the amount of women.
You have Listen, the cleaned uppictures of this kid when he
(21:44):
was in his prime and Ivy leagueor shortly thereafter, like he's
a fit kid.
You know he's got a.
You know pretty good, he's agood looking kid, I guess.
And and there's a lot of womenthat, whether joking or not,
have been like you know there'sa picture of him.
I don't know if you've seen it.
He's like shirtless, maybehiking.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Oh yeah, that's the one they're all going crazy over
.
What is wrong with women?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
You make me so embarrassed to be part of that
To see that and be like oh Luigi, yeah, he's a murderer, but I
can fix him.
Like even as a joke, that'sgross, like you have a serious,
serious problem.
But there are people in the youknow Che Guevara t-shirt
wearing community that look atthis kid, damn the man.
(22:23):
And you know he stood up forthe little guy.
And you know there's a lot ofthat going around, yes, and a
lot of you know there's a lot ofthat going around, yes, a lot
of you know the guy from UnitedHealth deserved it, got what he
had.
I mean what happened to us,right, what?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
happened to us.
Yeah, I am truly appalled, I'msickened, made ill in my heart
to see the amount of everythingthat you said, that they're like
two separate but equal uhfactions of this the female
response and the societalresponse cheering this on and
(23:02):
applauding and and um, I'm blownaway like I can easily, and I
think we all can easily agreethat the we talked about it just
moments ago.
The healthcare system ishorrendous.
The insurance companieshorrendous.
I mean, there absolutely needsto be a massive overhaul.
(23:24):
Murdering CEOs is not part ofthat plan, right?
Not the solution, not thesolution ever.
And this was a human being and,honestly, even if he was a piece
of garbage like, even if he's areally crappy human being, much
unlike, uh, much like, um,jordan Neely or anyone who has
(23:47):
died for any reason, it's neverreally a reason to express glee.
No, you know, and there lies ahuge, distinct difference
probably from the left and theright overall, no one on the
right was applauding and saying,yeah, so glad he killed Jordan
Neely.
None of that was going on.
(24:08):
I'm sure it was going on hereand there.
People are people.
But he killed Jordan Neely.
None of that was going on.
I'm sure it was going on hereand there.
People are people, but generallyspeaking we don't applaud and
and honor, you know, those typesof things.
We see them for what they aretragic things that could have
been avoided and we wish couldhave been avoided.
But we don't wish death onpeople like that, you know.
And here they are.
Like you said, and again I'llsay, the women are so
(24:32):
embarrassing and first of all,from a personal perspective, I
think the kid looks like aCarmine from Laverne and Shirley
.
So not seeing, I'm sorry, I'mnot.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wow, did you just show your age.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Holy cow, I know the younger people are like who, who
is she talking about?
Yes, so, yeah.
So just just a little side notenot seeing it, ladies, but you
know, whatever, but just thevery idea that they are mooning
over this guy who is, you know?
He's a murderer, guys, he's amurderer.
(25:04):
He didn't do you know, and theylove the whole vigilante thing.
That's what they're you know'reyou know, phrasing or kind of
like painting this as that.
Like he, you know, he didsomething for all of us that's.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's exactly where the confusion lies the exact
same people that are applaudinghim for vigilante justice
against the ceo are the samepeople who are attacking daniel
penny for vigilante justicewhich he's not guilty of,
because he's protecting people.
Yeah, it is so disconnectedright now.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So disconnected.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Listen I literally, just today, wrote a blog on this
is that we don't know when.
We, as Americans, are veryselective in when violence is
acceptable, and it reallydepends on who is applying the
violence and who's on thereceiving end of the violence
and how we feel about them Likein some cases, and it's all
demographics depends on theirrace, their age, their sexual
you know orientation, theirwealth, their you know status in
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society.
Pick your thing, but peoplewill clap.
It's literally.
These are two side-by-sidesthat are perfect, right?
People will clap for one andcry for the other, and it is
literally the same argument onboth sides.
It's insanity right now.
(26:17):
It is and we, as Americans,don't know.
We don't, we don't know and wedon't understand because our
media glorifies it, like thenews media glorifies it.
The entertainment media makesbillions of dollars off of
violence, yes, and we continueto to think it's okay.
Right, we are so broken as anation when it comes to violence
, like our you know, we talkedabout it Our gut should always
(26:39):
be that's bad.
The application of violence isbad.
Now, you do take it on acase-by-case basis, sure,
through the court system, right,and you decide if it was, you
know, applied appropriately inthe you know, in whatever way,
shape or form, and that's how wefix things.
We don't share it before weknow what the details are.
(27:00):
Right, because here's thekicker Everybody's talking about
this insurance guy makingmillions of dollars and being,
you know, billionaire, billiondollar corporate CEO, and
they're blaming insurance.
And you know, this is why weneed socialized medicine.
If you go back and I've seenthis if you go back and you look
at the profit increase atUnitedHealth, it started to
(27:22):
skyrocket when, when Obamacarestarted, so socialized medicine
built this monster that noweverybody's mad at.
So you know, again, it's people, uneducated, uninformed.
They think it's damn the manChe Guevara, you know, rage
against the machine, whateveryou want to call it, and it's
garbage, it's inhuman, is whatit is Right.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, and you hit on a lot of really important parts
about that and you know it.
Just again, you get that imagein your head of lemmings.
They're just lemmings, that youknow.
They give them the little bitsof a sound bite essentially to
run with and they're like ohokay, now we're all in the.
I just picture this whole herdI don't think they're herds, but
whatever it is of lemmings justfollowing whatever you know
(28:07):
little crumbs that they put outthere and tell them to go with,
and no thinking for themselves,no research, no, nothing, just
you know, blindly following andthey and they just keep doing it
over and over and over again.
And it it makes me so tired,like it makes me so tired and I
feel like I say this like once amonth on an episode that I am
(28:28):
so tired of these people justbeing so foolish, so
unbelievably foolish, andaffecting everything and
everyone with that, infectingeveryone with that.
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, and the biggest travesty is if that kid doesn't
go to jail for this right, likehe he should 100% premeditated,
no, knowledgeable, you know.
There's a high probability thathe's going to be declared
incompetent, stand trial, mentaldeficiency, and he's probably
not going to see big boy jail,although he should.
And I will tell you, as prettyas all these women think he is,
(29:02):
if he does go to big boy jailhis life's going to be awful.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh gosh, yeah, Awful, absolutely, I don't know.
He's got the love of parents.
I'm not advocating for Right.
That's not what it's supposedto be.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm just telling you that reality inside that
concrete jungle, like, yeah,it's, he's, he's in bad shape,
right, but you know this wholething, this kid, you know.
Nobody should be making excusesfor him.
No, and a well-heeled family.
He's got an Ivy leagueeducation, right, bad experience
(29:36):
with with an insurance companyand a and a you know, a failed
back surgery of some sort andinvolved.
I don't care, it's not anexcuse to kill somebody, it's
not.
I don't care what anybody says,never will.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, never will.
And you know, as an example, Iwanted to pull this one up.
I forgot to pull it up sooner.
But as an example of just howgrotesque these people are,
here's a clip from Pierce Morgan, who had a panel on.
It was Tommy.
Lahren and a few other people,and this Taylor Lawrence is her
(30:02):
name.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Gross, just a gross, repugnant human being, and
here's why I do believe in thesanctity of life and I think
that's why I felt, along with somany other Americans, joy,
unfortunately, you know, becauseit feels like Joy, serious I
mean.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Joy in a man's execution.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Maybe not joy, but certainly not, no, certainly not
empathy, because again, we'rewatching the footage.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
How can this make you joyful, this guy's?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
a husband.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
He's a father and he's being gunned down in the
middle of Manhattan.
Why is that making you joyful?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So are the tens of thousands of Americans that beat
murdered.
So are the tens of thousands ofAmericans, innocent Americans,
who died because greedy healthinsurance executives like this
one push policies of denyingcare to the most vulnerable
people.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So there's the answer Just kill him.
Kill this guy, because he justrepresents all of them.
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah.
And so when and where does thatstop?
You know, because Taylor Lorenz, right?
Yeah?
So let's extrapolate this alittle bit, right?
So you've got Taylor Lorenzwho's cheering this on.
She's supporting the murder ofthis guy.
What if that guy has a familymember?
(31:17):
What if one of his kids growsup and finds Taylor Lorenz and
guns her down and says well, youadvocated for violence against
my dad and like my dad, andthat's why my dad was killed.
And now retribution against you.
Yeah, are we supposed to bejoyful about, like this, her
advocating for violence likethis in some sort of retribution
for a policy that she believesis responsible for the deaths?
(31:41):
And I know there are going tobe people out there who are
going to get worked up aboutthis and they're going to say,
yes, it is, and I don't care, itdoesn't justify murder, I don't
care, you're never going toconvince me that that is the
solution for that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
No same.
And again, I'll repeat we all,I think we all agree that the
insurance industry needs reform.
I'll put it politely and justsay needs reform, and I hope,
and I truly hope, that that isgoing to be something that
happens under President-electTrump.
I guess we'll wait and see, butyeah, that is definitely one of
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the things that needs.
But again, to restate, for likethe millionth time, I feel like
we have to keep saying it doesnot justify murdering somebody,
just doesn't, it doesn't.
And that they are continuouslydoing that all over social media
.
I've seen, you know, meme aftermeme, post after post, video
after video of people.
You know, just again you madethe perfect reference, like the
(32:40):
Che Guevara T-shirts.
You know that's, if they're notbeing made yet, they will be,
they will be.
Somebody will be doing it, youknow, and people will buy them,
people will wear them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I mean, there's people.
I've seen this, whether it'sjoking or not, or even if the
data is accurate or not, andit's like you know, just in case
anybody's wondering, the CEO ofPfizer lives at this address,
right?
They're like they're swatting.
It's crazy, um, and they'reliterally putting people,
putting people at risk.
Um, you know, and it's again,this is not okay, people.
It's not okay, because whensociety collapses, right from
(33:14):
stuff like this, you get what'sgoing on in the Middle East, you
get Syria.
This is what happens, right?
Right, you know you have acollapse of, you know, normalcy,
you have a collapse of societalnorms, um with any sort of
respect for other people, andthis is what you get.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Right, syria, for you know everybody who is or isn't
tracking.
You know, assad left.
He bailed, he bailed, he got ona plane and he went to Russia.
Right, he went to Moscowbecause he was protected there.
Syria has fallen into the handsof rebels.
It's protected there.
Syria has fallen into the handsof rebels.
You know, I was standing in abar this Sunday participating in
a chili cook-off contest whereI placed third, by the way, nice
(33:58):
and you know, I had a guy whowas like, oh yeah, this is, you
know, syria, that's great.
Assad needs to be gone.
And you know, all these rebelgroups, they're going to pull
together and they're going towork together and they're going
to rebuild Syria.
And I looked them dead in theface.
No, they're not Right.
You know what a power vacuum is.
Do you know what kind ofinstability that creates?
Like all of these groups?
This happened in Afghanistan,it happened in Iraq, it happens
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everywhere, especially in thatpart of the world when that
global level leader, when thatnational level leader leaves, is
deposed, dies.
Whatever.
It creates a vacuum.
Someone is going to try to fillthat vacuum and, in fact,
multiple people are going to tryand fill that vacuum, and
that's when the fighting getsworse.
Yep Right.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, it was weird to me and again, I'm always the
first one to confess I know solittle of the inner workings of
all of that, so I never pretendthat I do.
But just, that was almost alittle bit of common sense to me
and I actually did notunderstand the initial cheers to
this happening, because thatwas my thought, like well, at
(35:02):
least he's the enemy, you know,you know, like what's what's
going to come up the pike next.
That's a little bit more scaryto me because, like you said,
it's already so volatile.
This whole area is such chaosand it's always on the edge of
something, so you don't knowwhat you're going to getdam.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Hussein, he is Muammar Gaddafi.
He is.
He's the same dictatorial typeleader that that region has seen
dozens of times, over and overagain.
Right, he, he did, in an awfulway, provide stability within
Syria.
Ok, because here's the problemright now.
(35:45):
One, there's about a somewherebetween 750 and a thousand
Americans in Syria.
Okay, because here's theproblem right now.
One, there's about a somewherebetween 750 and a thousand
Americans in Syria.
Right, right, service members.
These aren't tourists, thesearen't, like you know, these are
service members who have beenover there prosecuting targets
against ISIS.
Right, and so now they'resitting in the middle of this.
(36:07):
But oh, by the way, do you knowwhat Syria has that we have now
lost all accountability andcontrol of Chemical weapons,
like when he bailed and thegovernment fell and all these
rebel groups took over.
We lost all of that, and I canpromise you this is the same
thing that happened in Libya.
Right, there is a scrambleright now to try and find
(36:31):
account for, secure, make surewe have all of, or have hands on
or know where they are everysingle chemical munition that we
lost track of in Syria, becausethey had them, and that
stability that Assad and again,I'm not saying the guy was
awesome, because he clearly wasnot, but we didn't have this as
a problem.
This is a new problem thatbecomes significant very, very
(36:54):
quickly.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And we have the present administration, the
outgoing administration, sayingand doing one thing, and we have
the incoming administrationsaying something very different.
I'm going to have you speak onall of that.
Here is what Tulsi Gabbard hadto say about it.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
I want to address the issue that's in the headlines
right now.
I stand in full support andwholeheartedly agree with the
statements that President Trumphas made over these last few
days with regards to thedevelopments in Syria.
My own views and experienceshave been shaped by my multiple
deployments and seeing firsthandthe cost of war and the threat
(37:34):
of Islamist terrorism.
It's one of the many reasonswhy I appreciate President
Trump's leadership and hiselection, where he is fully
committed, as he has said overand over, to bringing about an
end to wars, demonstrating peacethrough strength and putting
the national security interestsand the safety, security and
freedom of the American peoplefirst and foremost.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So Islamic terrorists who are on a terror list are
essentially now in power?
Correct?
That is correct.
And what's Biden saying aboutthat?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Not a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Mumble, mumble, mumble.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Essentially nothing, yeah, and so you know, there's a
lot of variables in this One.
We don't care much about Assad.
Truthfully, there's a lot ofpeople who are, you know, oh,
why did he go to Russia?
Is he right?
Who cares?
Like, the guy's gone.
If he's in Russia, they'regoing to put him up in a nice
big mansion.
He's going to eat well, becausehe's probably got millions of
(38:31):
dollars that he stole from Syriaand, okay, fine, so be it.
They're not.
Nobody's putting him back intopower in Syria.
That guy's out of play and itdoesn't matter.
And, truthfully, russia's rolein this matters even less,
because they don't have any sway, or very little.
But what we've been doing iswe've been minimizing the threat
.
There has been a number of youknow sorties, air sorties,
(38:57):
destroying all kinds ofequipment over there that has
fallen into the hands of rebels,which again are Islamic
terrorist organizations ofvarious kinds, and that's what
we've been focusing on because,you've got to, you know, the
infighting is going to destroySyria completely.
Oh, by the way, those types ofgroups, when they do come into
(39:19):
power, they, any grudges theyhave, they they're, they're
cleaning the books, right.
So when you don't, when you,when the power broker, assad is
out and you get somebody elsethat steps in and they have
control of all of the big toys,then they're going to find their
first rival, they're going towipe them off the map.
So I mean, you're talking thepotential.
The instability here has thepotential for, you know,
(39:40):
genocide level killings acrossSyria, because that's how they
settle these things in that partof the world.
And again, our currentadministration is doing almost
nothing.
I'm actually really, reallyworried about those 752,000
Americans who, I'm sure, havebeen on absolute high alert
since all of this happened,probably aren't sleeping very
(40:01):
well and we are probably tryingto figure out what is the best
course of action to get them outof there in the midst of all of
this instability.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So now I read you.
Correct me if this is accurateor not, or if you know if it's
accurate, I read somewhere thatBiden is looking to take these,
these groups off the terror list.
So you know what the hell?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
That really does nothing.
Truthfully, okay, you know it.
Take them, leave them on thelist, take them off.
It doesn't change who they are,it doesn't change what their
goals are, what their mindset is.
You know, I think it doeschange some legalities and how
they can be.
You know how we can manage them.
Are they criminal?
(40:45):
Are they not?
You know?
But I think part of that too isone of those groups.
If he takes them all off theterror list, right, and one of
them gains power and they becomethe legitimate government,
legitimate government of Syria,now you're worried about a like,
no kidding attacking Syria as anation versus a terrorist group
(41:07):
, it changes the dynamic alittle bit.
It gives them a little bit, alittle bit of different
bargaining power, you know, whenit comes to NATO and the UN and
things like that.
So you know, I don't know whatthe best course of action is.
All I know is it doesn't lessenthe threat of instability or
the instability that's going on,and it really doesn't change
who those people are, whetherthey're on the list or not.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
So Is it safe to say that the Biden administration is
going to try and get usinvolved in this on a larger
scale?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
They already have.
They already have.
That's what all those, all thatair power that's been going on
over there, that they've beenkilling vehicles.
You know they've been using,you know, gen fighters and and
oh, by the way, an aircraft thatall of us love so much, that
has already been told it's goingto retire the a10 has been
flying around and blowing thecrap out of stuff.
Um is, uh, you know they're,we're in there killing stuff
(41:57):
like we've been expending prettyregularly over there.
So we, we are involved.
Now I hope it doesn't expand.
Hope's not a great course ofaction, but is that a
possibility, potential for us toexpand our role in Syria?
Sure, it is Scary, but that isright up the alley of the
(42:17):
current administration, right,and it's basically, it's
ultimately all selfish meansreally to give.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, and also to give Trump, you know, an
absolute, as much of a mess asthey can possibly give him and
just drop it all in his lap andyou know, walk away.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
He'll do what he does .
Yeah, you know, this is one ofthose cases where he doesn't
want to be involved.
We've all figured this outright.
He spent the first four yearsas president getting us out of
all as many conflicts aspossible.
He's going to do the same thingthere.
He will be the hammer if that'swhat needs to happen.
If it needs to happen that hecomes in and he turns a place
into a parking lot, then that'swhat he'll do.
That's not what he wants to do,but that's, you know, a
(42:57):
solution that's always on thetable.
So, yes, they're dumping thisin his lap to figure out.
The politics, geopolitics of itare bad.
The relation with the terrororganizations is bad.
And oh, by the way, not to makethis even worse, but terrorism
is back on the rise again.
With our exfil from out ofAfghanistan, that safe haven,
that harbor, is reinvigorated.
(43:17):
Bin Laden's son is one of thepeople that's organizing this
resurgence of the caliphate andthey're trying to, you know,
pull all these terrorist groupsback together again.
And, you know, fight the fightagainst the West.
Great job.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Surprise, surprise, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Syria plays into, Syria plays into all of it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
So yeah, absolutely yeah, as much as they can dump
on Trump when they, when hecomes in and honestly they're
all the world is alreadytreating Trump like he is the
president.
You know, paris was a absoluteprime example the reopening, or
rededication reopening of theNotre Dame Cathedral after the
(43:55):
fire, yeah, so they all show upthere, all the world's leaders
and, of course, dr Jill, allshow up for this, and all eyes,
of course Dr Jill, all show upfor this and all eyes, of course
, are on Trump, and you termedit perfectly.
It was just sitting back andwatching how many of them were
kissing the ring and all of them, all of them, yes, yes, quite a
(44:19):
bit of deference.
There seemed to be, you know,at least outwardly, tremendous
shows of respect and regard forhim and I will probably venture
a guess and say relief that youknow some real leadership is
going to be coming in and theworld is taking notice.
You know, it was prettyimpressive.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, the last four years as much turmoil is the
last.
You know, this current theBiden administration caused
within the United States.
You know, people don't know orfeel the ripples outside there's
a lot of global instabilitybecause the U?
S was kind of a drift, you know, with president Biden in charge
and really not doing anythingand really not talking to
(45:02):
anybody.
And oh, by the way, when he didtalk to people it didn't make
any sense, they didn't reallyknow what he was trying to do
and the policies were terriblewhen they had policies.
So now you know there's a lotof national, global leaders who,
whether they like PresidentTrump or not, are just happy
that there is somebody who isgoing to be, you know, in
(45:23):
command or leading the UnitedStates, the global power.
You know, kind of back to somelevel of normalcy, as opposed to
just like not knowing, likewhat are we doing?
What's the US doing?
And listen, macron is not aTrump fan.
No, no, he was kissing his ass.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yes, yes, how great.
We'll put it up to the, thevideo, the handshake.
He just shook that little manlike a rag doll.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
So they've had and I I kind of knew this, but I'd
forgotten about it because ofthe last four years they had
like a friendly, not friendlykind of thing going where it
would be like who could bestronger?
It was the man handshake likeyou know, crush the other guy's
hand, kind of thing, and that'sbeen going on for a while.
And that was this was thereinitiation, like hey, I
(46:16):
haven't forgotten, I'm the bigdog and you know that kind of
thing.
So yes, you know, mccrone, thatthat little friendly rivalry
thing was was back on again.
It was actually nice to see.
Uh and again.
Macron's not a fan but herespects president trump and his
role, not just in the unitedstates but globally.
So it was him.
And then dr jill.
Dr jill looked like she was alittle dr jill.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
A lot of fun little memes going on around about that
there's that.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
There's another one from a different angle, where
you're kind of looking overPresident Trump's shoulder and
you're looking right at Dr Jilland somebody caught her at the
right time and she's got a smileon her face.
Yes, the line I keep seeingover and over again is yep, she
voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yes, yeah, I saw another cute one too.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Somebody said get a woman in your life that looks at
you the way Jill looks at Trump.
And then English royalty wasthere Same thing.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Very warm reception between him and Prince William.
Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, and so, yes, everybody is paying deference,
but it's because of thedifference in the man.
The man standing there fillingthe role is the capability is
completely different.
So, whether they love him orhate him, everybody knows that
now there is at least somestability returning the United
(47:34):
States, and that is good for theworld.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Absolutely, it sure is.
Yeah, I, you know, watchingsome of and not some, actually
all of the videos, the thingthat I noticed the most is that
every eye is on Trump.
Everybody is watching him andlooking at him, and you know,
we're talking about worldleaders, people who are a big
deal in their own right, andeverybody's heads turn and
(47:59):
they're watching everything thathe does, and you know.
Then you have Biden.
You know, remember the wholething with him just wandering.
Well, I mean, it happens manytimes, but that the wandering
off and treating him like adoddering old man, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
This week he was in Africa.
Yeah, he was dead asleep andeverybody's like, oh no, he had
an earphone in and he waslistening to the translation.
Listen, I've done that.
That's not what that was, andI've fallen asleep in those
meetings because they'repainfully boring.
That man was out.
He was out like a light, butit's a big difference for
(48:33):
everybody across the globe.
Everybody knows what they'regetting, but they also know that
this is not the Trump of fouryears ago.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Very different.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Very different.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Very, very different Trump yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
He knows his job better.
He has a lot of.
His perspective is different,and so everybody think
everybody's there on notice andthey're paying the respects they
should.
I do want to say one more thingabout that.
Notre Dame and I didn't knowthis, but Selma Hayek and her
husband, who is someinternationally like the guys-
yeah, he's like a megabillionaire, yeah.
(49:08):
They donated an absurd amount ofmoney to the, really like $13
million.
Wow, yeah, like.
And they were there.
They were there at thededication.
They were standing in the backand I may be wrong.
I actually may be undersellinghow much money they gave to this
thing yeah, wow.
But yeah, she, obviously, or notobviously, but she's a Catholic
(49:28):
, her husband's Catholic, yeah,and you know, I think he may
even be French, but they donateda ridiculous amount of money to
make sure that Notre Dame gotrebuilt to.
You know the magnificence thatit holds for a significant
portion of the globe, you know.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So yeah, that's fantastic.
I think she's also a side note.
Another side note I think she'sactually one of the people who
left the country, moved out ofthe country supposedly because
I'm.
I don't know if she really did,you know, they could have just
attributed that and she may havelong been out of the country,
for all I know.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
But she's married to a non-American.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
So you know all those people say they're moving out?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
They're not.
They're not moving out, they'rejust moving.
They're living in their otherhouse.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, exactly, they're just staying in their
other home for the time.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
If you're going to be a multi-billionaire, you're
like, and you can pick andchoose what you're going to
contribute to, stuff like that Iappreciate.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, that's pretty awesome actually.
Well, I had no idea.
Now we know.
I bet a lot of people didn'tknow that.
Thanks, clay.
Let's talk about something alittle weird.
What the actual heck?
What in the heck and heck isgoing on?
This is crazy.
I was actually ignoring it atfirst, because I thought, you
know, I just thought it was likenot, not conspiracy theories,
(50:44):
but just exaggerating somethingthat isn't a big deal.
You know, cause now everybody'sseeing UFOs everywhere.
What's the new term we'resupposed to use?
I forget, yeah, I don't know.
They call them something else,there's other, I don't know.
Somebody in the comments cantell us what, what the proper
new term is for UFOs, cause theydon't use it anymore, I guess.
But, anyhow, yeah, is for UFOs,because they don't use it
(51:06):
anymore, I guess.
But anyhow, yeah, super crazy.
So when I first was hearingabout this, it's been what for
like a couple of weeks maybe.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I saw some videos on thetalk about it and you know,
again, they're always like thesegrainy, like here's a picture,
always these like kind of grainy, you know shaky videos and
stuff.
So I just kind of to be honestwith it, kind of like rolled my
eyes and said, oh, whatever,drones, big deal, get over it.
(51:27):
And they've been using the worddrones the whole time.
Actually they hadn't even beensaying UFOs, I don't think, but
anyhow, yeah.
So I saw those kind of ignoredit and said whatever.
And then I revisited this wholething the other day and I was
like, okay, this is actually.
It's like making actualnational news.
They're actually talking aboutit, you know.
So if they're talking about it,that's interesting.
(51:47):
But they're like the size ofcars, apparently, and nobody
knows.
They're like mysterious.
Nobody knows who's operatingthem or owning them or whatever.
And so what do you know aboutthis?
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Because I'm I don't know a lot truthfully, I know
that drone technology is growingin leaps and bounds.
I know that it's being appliedin Ukraine in weird and crazy
ways on a daily basis,everything from delivering
resupply to bombing tanks, tokamikaze, to blowing up people
(52:21):
like drones everything from thecheapest, smallest one, as big
as your hand, to the ones you'retalking about, the large scale
ones.
Um, you know that theapplication of drones right now
is limited by nothing.
Truthfully, between 3d printingand people's imaginations,
they're coming up with all kindsof uses for drones.
Now this specific case in newjersey.
Nobody knows why, and reallywhat bothers me the most is are
(52:44):
either the state government ofNew Jersey and the federal
government are both like I don'tknow yeah, what the heck is
that they're still not doinganything about it, and I know
that there's been violation ofFAA regulations with these
drones.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well, that's what I was going to ask you about, too
Like there's rules.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
There's regulations for altitude, for, you know,
airspace management, so thatthey don't crash in other planes
or helicopters or anything likethat.
It's all regulated, yeah, andit's dependent upon altitude,
the size of the drone.
There's some licensing that'sgot to happen, and it very much
seems like no one is pursuingthis, which may.
(53:21):
That alone makes it suspicious,right, and again, it's
conspiracy theory, for whateveryou want, but it's been
repetitive for a long time.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
And now there's.
It's now it's sightings.
At first it was just like NewJersey reporting all of these
sightings and now it's acrossthe country, california Even I
just watched a video on it.
California is reporting thesesightings and everything.
It's definitely weird,definitely concerning, and we're
going to have to keep watchingthis because that's not normal.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Along with the drone technology is also counter drone
technology.
So there's a lot of.
I know even the, you know the US military is paying attention.
The counter drone technologythat's out there being developed
right now is, you know, itsounds like stuff from the 1960s
Batman, like it's literally,you know, like guns that shoot
big nets.
It's like it's all of that kindof stuff.
(54:12):
There's sound waves that arebeing used where they're, you
know, using sound waves todisrupt them.
They're trying to jam, you know, reception.
As far as controls, there's allkinds of things going on.
None of it seems to be appliedin any way, shape or form in New
Jersey to figure out what'sgoing on.
I don't understand how nobody'scaptured one of these things
(54:33):
yet Knocked it out of the skyRight.
See who owns it.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Well, I'll tell you what if they did that in Florida
?
Yeah, when it happens inFlorida, it's getting shot down.
Florida, man's gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Listen, parts of new jersey, parts of new jersey are
as urban as urban can get right.
Yeah, parts of new jersey arepretty freaking rural.
So like I'm surprised that wehaven't had that reaction yet.
Or you know, dude from fromjersey, right from outside, you
know out in the farmlands,hasn't shot one of those things
down yet.
Yeah, yeah, and it's probablycoming.
But I just that lack of actionby the state and federal
(55:09):
government on this is reallywhat's most appalling, I think
overall.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yes, and downright suspicious, really Like so to me
.
That says they're involved,this is from them, they're
trying out stuff.
So you know, I don't know'tknow everybody.
I want you to throw yourthoughts in the comments, give
us your best conspiracy theoryon this, because we know they're
usually right.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah, but seriously, we want to hear what you guys
think of that in the comments,because I'm I honestly that's
where my mind goes, especiallyif you're from new jersey, like
yeah, guys, come on this andthis is over your house.
Or yeah, tell us's going on,let's get some firsthand
accounts, if we've got some outthere.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Absolutely and and right and Jersey, um, and every
state, and other countries too,cause we get visitors from all
around when we do our lives.
Uh, next week we're going live,yay.
So same time, same everything.
We're going to go live.
Uh, it's going to be a reallycasual uh show.
We're going to go live.
It's going to be a reallycasual show.
We're going to be just talkingabout fun stuff and things,
(56:07):
answering questions.
You can ask us questions.
We'll put them up on the screenand answer them as best we can.
Whatever's going on news-wise,we'll chat about all that stuff.
So it's going to be anultra-casual show.
But we really wanted to spendthe pre-holiday with you and
just have a nice show together.
Spend the pre-holiday with youand uh and just have a nice show
together and it's going to beso fun.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm so excited and, and listen folks, this is
probably the last show for 2024because you know, like christmas
and then new year's, and youknow, elsa and I are normal
people and we have families andlike activities, and the
holidays gets busy for us too.
So so live next week, normaltime, thursday evening, right so
East Coast, 9 pm, and you guyscan do the math backwards 8, 7,
(56:48):
6.
And we will be live, just likewe did on election night, and
and then we will that one andwe'll probably see in 2025 after
.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yes, that's right.
You're absolutely right.
That's the plan, yes, so we'relooking forward to it.
I'll put the reminders out foryou guys to come and join us.
I think we uh, I think our highpoint on on, um, uh, election
night, I think we were close tolike 400 people at one point.
So, um, we're relying on youguys to beat that number.
Can we do it?
(57:17):
I think we can.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I would hope so.
We're not competing against anelection, like.
This is a Thursday night,talking about Christmas, so
that's next week, you know, thisweek again lots going on, happy
to have you guys with us.
Oh, by the way, we filmed itWednesday.
Wednesday 3 pm.
East Coast time for our timereference stamp.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, so if anything happened between recording time
and then, don't yell at us,don't yell at us, please.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
You know it's happened guys, right, we always
love having you and, uh, youknow, this week obviously last
recorded and then next week live, and can't wait to do that.
So, uh, what do you think?
You good, you happy you're good, we're good.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
That's all I got for today.
How about you?
Speaker 3 (57:57):
I'm good too, as always for me.
Folks, thanks for tuning in andkeep moving, keep shooting take
care, guys, we'll see you next.
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
It's not like I don't see the intro thing counting
down.
I'm like, oh, I can take thatsip really fast.
Yeah, I can't.
No, I can't yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You should work at NASA, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Be so perfect there.
Oh my goodness, how are you?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm good.
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I'm good, I'm good.
Are you ready for Christmas?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah, I love this time of year, love the cold
weather.
I love the you know, thechanging scenery.
I I do.
I love it.
Um, I'm a hot weather guynormally, but uh this time of
year, the fall, and then in theearly winter.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I do love and, yeah, I'm um I'm better about it now
that I go to florida every month.
I don't I don't mind it so much.
I mean, at at this time of yearI get really.
I try not to get anxious, but Iget anxious anyway.
You know, just travel, that isthe weather going to mess things
up, you know.
(01:13):
So I'm like if I don't thinkabout it, if I don't talk about
it, everything will be fine.
But at the same time I'm like,oh my gosh, I've been really
lucky with my travel for thepast like probably like dozen or
(01:45):
so trips, I know.
I know I make I.
Why do I do these things?
Oh, oh, my goodness.
So we have a lot of stuff, uh,on tap today.
I just Clay was laughing at meand not a lot of not a lot of
presidential stuff, which iseven better.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Yeah, In the last few months focused on the election
and president Trump.
We got a little bit ofpresident Trump trump.
We got a whole bunch of otherstuff and we will kick that off
right after this.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah, so jumping right in.
I kind of like my title here.
I can't take any credit for it.
I saw somebody posted like ameme and it was a did you see
that?
Speaker 3 (02:40):
It was a penny.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, so Lincoln's head with his profile.
Yeah, yes, so it was.
It was not an original thoughtof mine, I confess not that any
of you actually thought it was,I'm sure you didn't but yeah,
what a you know what a story.
Huh Like, this whole thing tome is just, it's just wild.
So I can't imagine that anybodydoesn't know what's going on.
(03:03):
But Daniel Penny he's a Marineveteran, marine Corps veteran.
He subdued a violent,aggressive man, jordan Neely, on
New York subway and the mansubsequently died.
And now I think it's importantto know if anybody that doesn't
(03:25):
know this story, it's importantto know that and it'll matter in
a minute um, that he was helpedby a black person and I'm
making a point of saying thisbecause there's a reason for
making a point of saying that,of course and he was saving the
lives of fellow subway travelers.
Um, because this guy wasthreatening to, you know, harm
people, hurt people, kill people.
(03:45):
But, of course, travelers, um,because this guy was threatening
to, you know, harm people, hurtpeople, kill people.
But of course, uh, whathappened, daniel?
Uh, no, uh, alvin Bragg and allof those clowns decided to, uh,
you know, make a, make anexample of him.
I guess that's the only way Ican look at it.
Right, they're like trying tomake an example of him.
Like you're not going to dothis on our subway.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, this is a a a don't take justice into your own
hands.
That's the angle anyway.
I mean it's a, you know, no, novigilantism, you know kind of
play and and in reality you knowyou could go.
You could make a lot ofarguments along the way in this
process.
You could argue he never shouldhave been charged.
(04:24):
But he was charged, he wasimprisoned.
He did spend some timeincarcerated, I think, as this
process went on, but the systemworked to an extent.
He received a trial.
It was a jury trial.
There were some challenges anddeliberation and then eventually
(04:52):
, you know, he was foundinnocent of all charges, whether
they were dropped or whether hewas found innocent.
All the charges were removed,you know, and he's kind of he's,
he's been exonerated in what hedid.
But yeah, you're right, alvinBragg, the district attorney,
you know the same guy who wentafter President Trump, the
district attorney.
You know the same guy who wentafter President Trump.
He turned this into a raceissue.
He turned it into a vigilantismissue.
You know all kinds of thingsand thankfully Some common sense
(05:16):
prevailed and Daniel Pennywalked away, a free man.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, you know, and it's.
It's hard enough to get peopleto stand up and do the right
thing anymore.
Right, you know?
And here's a guy who did theright thing against all probably
all better judgment, Althoughhe has said we actually we do
have a nice clip from him.
Just such an unassuming guy.
Yeah.
So here he is in his own words.
(05:39):
Let's watch that first.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I mean, I'm not a confrontational person, I don't
really extend myself.
I think this type of thing isvery uncomfortable.
All this attention andlimelight is very uncomfortable
and I would prefer without it.
(06:01):
I didn't want any type ofattention or praise or and I
still don't the guilt I wouldhave felt if someone did get
hurt, if he did do what he wasthreatening to do.
I would never be able to livewith myself and I'll take a
million court appearances andpeople calling me names and
people hating me just to keepone of those people from getting
(06:25):
hurt or killed.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
I mean, talk about a good guy, right, talk about a
good guy and to get villainized?
You know the way that part ofthe population has done is just
despicable and you know, as Istarted to say, it's a
discouragement for people to getinvolved in it.
And you know we don't needpeople to be discouraged from
(06:47):
helping their fellow man andwoman, and you know this is the
kind of thing that people aregoing to.
If they weren't alreadythinking twice, this will do it
again.
Thankfully, he was acquitted ofeverything, but once again, not
unlike the George Floyd drama,the left tries to paint this guy
(07:08):
like he was just this good guy.
You know all he was doing was.
You know he was just on the onthe subway, not a bad guy.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
The three most predominant voices in this.
Actually there's four.
Jamal Brown came out, tweetedyesterday.
This is an elected officialfolks Representative.
You know this is the right.
He's the fire alarm guy.
He started his X post with twoall white people, so that in and
of itself, I don't even have tosay the rest of it, I don't
(07:36):
have to read the rest of it.
You guys can all imagine, ifyou haven't seen it, what the
rest of that post on X lookslike.
And it was a threat of violenceis really what it was.
There was BLM representationthere, some of the leadership of
BLM making some of the samekinds of violent, you know, kind
of overarching, nonspecificthreats.
You know there was a statementby everybody's favorite idiot,
(07:59):
aoc, who said you know, this iswhy we don't ride subways, as if
this was unprovoked.
And then the most outlandishwhich is saying a lot for this
case, because there's a lot ofstuff here the most outlandish
was that young man's father ontop of it and I say father, I
don't say dad, right Biologicalfather, who essentiallyed him
(08:22):
multiple times in his life, lefthim to be, you know, the kids,
this young man who was, you know, killed at the hand, and I'm
totally in defense of DanielPenny, right, you know, killed
as a result of that chokehold.
You know that kid's mom passedaway when he was younger.
His dad abandoned him, he neverhelped him and now, all of a
sudden, his dad wants a civilsuit and he wants settlement for
(08:43):
this.
Rigged those.
And now, all of a sudden, hisdad wants a civil suit and he
wants settlement for this.
Rigged those are his words.
Rigged, you know the system's.
Rigged for undying who he nevergave a crap about in the first
place.
Let's not make any mistakes.
So, you know, in the wake ofthis, everybody is kind of
showing their true colors.
But I think, you know, that clipof Daniel Penny means a lot to
an entire generation of veterans.
(09:03):
And I say that because we and Iinclude myself in this as a
part of that generation we all,for 20 years, span Iraq and
Afghanistan.
A lot of us became prettyintimate with violence.
And we are not a violentculture as civilians.
(09:25):
No, not at all.
If we were, everybody wouldknow about it, because there are
literally 20 years of usfloating around.
Yeah, and Daniel Penny is, youknow, he's one of us.
So you know, we're not aviolent crowd, but we have the
capability, yeah, and to applythat selectively, the way he did
to protect those people, youknow, on the subway car and he
(09:48):
said it he wouldn't have beenable to sleep with himself if
any of those, if he had notacted and something had happened
to somebody on the car, hewouldn't be able to sleep with
himself.
I can promise you too, for allof you that feel like he's you
know he is a villain orvillainizing him.
He knew that this, you knowthat application of violence was
going to stick with him.
He didn't know that.
(10:08):
He that you know that, that hewas going to kill somebody as a
result, but he knew that thiswas going to stick with him.
We all know that instinctively,and so I'm sure he didn't make
that decision lightly.
I'm sure he did an instantaneousrisk assessment of you know,
this could happen, this couldhappen, this could happen.
But if I don't do anything,this could happen and this could
happen and he acted and Iadmire him for it, I
(10:30):
congratulate him for it.
You know.
I know he didn't go into thatwanting to kill that young man.
I know he didn't Right, butthat was the end result.
So you know, daniel Penny,while he has been exonerated and
found innocent.
He'll never be able to go onwith his life normally because
of the trial and because of thepress and everything else.
(10:50):
But I can promise you he is notunaffected by the idea that he
took the life of someone else.
He's not doing well because ofthat or inside of that.
I can promise you.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Yeah, absolutely.
And you made such a good pointand I think that is either
forgotten or ignored by thecivilian population that you
know, for the most part, men andwomen who have seen and had to
perform acts of violence onother people as part of their
career or calling, they usuallydo want to live like really
(11:25):
quiet lives, like theyappreciate the vet more than
anyone else.
I think there's an appreciationfor life and for peace and and
I I agree with youwholeheartedly I think Daniel
Penny is a perfect example ofthat.
I think you know he would haverather not.
You know, given the optionright, given the choice, he
would have rather not.
You know, given the optionright, given the choice, he most
(11:47):
certainly would rather have notright, yeah, yeah, and you know
, but this is so.
This is so typical of the leftand the people that they choose
to esteem, to put on pedestals.
And again another this isanother career criminal who
they're using as their posterchild.
(12:07):
Now Jordan Neely.
Let's see.
He had mental health issues, alengthy rap sheet I think I saw
like 44 arrests or somethinglike that who was threatening
people with violence on thetrain.
There are videos of him gettingin altercations with people on
the street.
He was a um for a period oftime.
I guess he was a michaeljackson street performer yeah
(12:29):
that's, you know, something theydid.
There's a video of him having analtercation with somebody you
know, attacking them essentially, um, so this is a really unwell
person and, you know, the bigfailing here, of course, is our
healthcare system and all ofthat.
I think he was homeless at thetime.
You know all of the things.
Now he can get tons of sympathyfor the conditions of his life
(12:54):
that put him in that position.
The father, you know, bad, bador neglectful parenting, a
system that cannot help people.
They're just overrun by mentalhealth crisis.
You know all of those things.
But it doesn't change the factthat he was trying to bring harm
on other people.
(13:15):
So it's not a point where yousit back and go oh well, he's
got problems, so we just let himgo, let him be, let him, let
him, you know, bludgeon somebodyor attack them or choke them.
Let him do it, cause he doesn't.
You know he's not well, come on, it's just absurd, all of it's
absurd.
And then to take that next step, which is what the left always
does, they pick their posterchild so that they can incite
(13:35):
riots which didn't work Right.
There were some marches, Ithink, nothing like the George
Floyd riots, and you know,everybody, I think, except
leftist elites, have gotten thememo that this isn't going to
fly anymore.
Nobody's falling for it anymore.
You know just your little crewof Looney Tunes who think this
(13:56):
is all a good idea and thatthey're going to drum up their
you know a cause for themselvesand BLM they just crept out of
the woodwork again.
Please go back to your mansionthat you bought with everybody's
money.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
There's a lot of things to you know really kind
of take a step back and look atand, and you know you hit on a
lot of it.
But it's like you know JamalBrown, this whole you know um
threats of violence againstwhite people.
You know he's, he says thatfrom an elected office, behind a
security detail that guy'snever going to, that's, that's
never a concern for him.
(14:27):
Nope, like Jamal Brown's notriding the subway, like that's
not happening Exactly, he's notexposed to that, right.
And so you know, had this,let's take Daniel Penny out of
the picture.
Let's say he wasn't on thesubway that day.
Let's say that you knowviolence, this guy did lose his
(14:48):
ass, you know what I mean.
He lost his mind and he didhurt somebody on the subway.
That would have been local news, right, For one night.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
And then, and then he would have.
He would have been arrested,the person that he assaulted on
the train would have beentreated and released from the
hospital.
Right, he would have beenreleased on his own recognizance
or under some sort of bail, andthen nobody would have heard a
single thing about this everagain.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
No, the only thing the most right, the absolute
most you would hear Right,absolutely.
He would have done it again andagain and again.
And if you heard a blip aboutit at all, it would be somebody
saying something along those ofawful how nobody helps, huh,
people just sit around and letit happen.
Shame, if I was there if I wasthere.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I would have stopped it.
I applaud Daniel Penny, but Ialso feel for him.
I do, I totally feel for him.
I really hope, because this,you know, this whole thing has
been a I'm sure has been a, youknow, mental, social, you know
psychological strain, emotionalstrain on him and I hope that
he's got good people around himand a good support network,
because I know this hasn't beeneasy.
So, um, I, you know, I, I don'tapplaud him, you know, and I, I
(15:59):
wouldn't, I don't applaud, Idon't, you know, none of us hope
for violence, nobody hopes forwhat happened.
But I bought him for steppingin, having the courage to do so.
Um, and I, just, you know, Ihope that he comes out of this,
that he comes out of this, okay,because anybody who thinks that
he's not affected by it reallyhas no, clearly affected, right,
yeah, nobody, they don'tunderstand.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And he's highly recognizable.
You know he's got a verydistinct look.
I mean you can't miss them, youcan't miss them, you know.
So, no matter where he goes,he's going to be recognized.
It's going to be a long timebefore this dies down, so to
speak.
And yeah, he's got a rough runand, of course, just on the
human level, like you said, justthe emotional toll that that
(16:39):
takes on you, all of it, everyaspect of it, the actual event,
the aftermath, all of it.
And to know, you know, and justas a social media personality,
just people saying mean thingsto you on the internet in
general gives you pause, likewhat, like I'm just a person and
(17:01):
you are coming out with themost like heinous, vile comments
and things to say.
And then you have this and thethings that people have said
about him, and no doubt to him,as he's going in and out of
anywhere, really the courthouse,just on the street.
You know, that's a lot, that'sa lot.
That's a lot to take.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and it's not going to end for him anytime
soon.
Like his, his recognized, youknow, his recognition,
recognizability in public isgoing to last for a little while
.
There's a little bit of stingthere and so he's going to.
He's going to keep feeling thisfor a while, you know, and
sometimes it works against you,right, and and you know Penny's
(17:42):
case it's going to work againsthim emotionally, but sometimes
it works for the good, becausesometimes the McDonald's guy
figures out who you are andcalls the police.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yes.
So I got to say everythingabout this story is a head
scratcher, like every singlepart of it and, as you can see
by the title, for me the biggestthing.
Again, I go back to how theleft has responded to any of
these events, any of the thingsthat go on, how the left
responds to it and some on theright.
(18:15):
There are some people with thisparticular.
There's some people on theright too that have made some
eyebrow raising comments andstatements and opinions about
the whole thing.
So, yeah, here we got a pictureof him.
Do we have a picture of him?
Or video?
Let's see what do we have?
Luigi, luigi, yes, luigiMangione, I believe.
So, yes, he assassinated I mean, it's no other word for it
(18:39):
really Murder, of course, butassassinated was what he did.
Ceo, what's his name?
Again?
Clay Bryan.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
United Healthcare was who he worked for.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Yeah, so yeah, sorry His name is escaping me but
murders him out in the street,cold blood, just shoots him dead
and manhunt happens.
They find the backpack, thisand that there's a reward, and
somebody in McDonald's of allplaces identifies him,
recognizes him and calls it inand he gets arrested.
(19:10):
And so the internet internetedand immediately, right and
immediately dug up.
You know, within it's not evendigging up, it's just typing the
name in the search bar and youknow everything, from his
Goodreads list to his I don'tknow Instagram or something.
You know, we're instantlyflooding all of the social media
(19:33):
platforms and he is not whatanybody expected him to be.
I don't think.
You know.
Everybody expected him to be,technically, honestly, a
left-wing loony and he doesn'tseem technically to be either
right or left right.
I mean, I don't think he reallyhas, there's not a lot of
political stuff from him.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
No, I mean I don't think he really has.
It's not a lot of politicalstuff from him.
No, I mean he does come from awealthy family.
He is Ivy League educated.
He did have some you know backsurgery and evidently some pain
involved and that's part of whatdrove him with this.
But you know, there was so muchspeculation right away,
including me.
Like I looked at this and I waslike within hours I was like
that kid's dead in a ditch,whoever away, including me.
(20:11):
Like I looked at this and I waslike within hours I was like
that kid's dead in a ditch,whoever that is.
Like I thought he was paid off,I thought he was, you know,
placed as a stooge.
And there's still somespeculation out there.
I don't know if you've seen theunibrow right.
There's the unibrow thing right.
Is this the right guy?
You know there's a lot there'sthere added up.
(20:33):
You know there was reports thathe had gotten on a bus from
Atlanta and come up to New York.
He'd been up there for a month.
You know, blah, blah, blah.
And now he's got a manifesto andyou know, and a ghost gun and
you know, a suppressor and allthis stuff.
None of it is really matchingup, which is why there's a ton
of conspiracy theory stuff goingon Right, because you know
(20:55):
we've been dumped a ton ofinformation.
None of it seems to line up ormake sense and you know the FBI
and the law enforcementcommunity that's managing this
hasn't done a great job of youknow kind of laying things out
as they know it.
But no, not politicallymotivated.
This is straight up like.
He hates all medical insuranceand specifically UnitedHealth,
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and he decided he was going tokill the CEO as a statement of
sorts, and that was all in hismanifesto.
He acted alone and all of thatother stuff.
But the sick part of this isexactly what the banner says
this kid like.
The thing that grossed me outmore than anything else and
normally I just shake my head atpeople is the amount of women.
You have Listen, the cleaned uppictures of this kid when he
(21:44):
was in his prime and Ivy leagueor shortly thereafter, like he's
a fit kid.
You know he's got a.
You know pretty good, he's agood looking kid, I guess.
And and there's a lot of womenthat, whether joking or not,
have been like you know there'sa picture of him.
I don't know if you've seen it.
He's like shirtless, maybehiking.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Oh yeah, that's the one they're all going crazy over
.
What is wrong with women?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
You make me so embarrassed to be part of that
To see that and be like oh Luigi, yeah, he's a murderer, but I
can fix him.
Like even as a joke, that'sgross, like you have a serious,
serious problem.
But there are people in the youknow Che Guevara t-shirt
wearing community that look atthis kid, damn the man.
(22:23):
And you know he stood up forthe little guy.
And you know there's a lot ofthat going around, yes, and a
lot of you know there's a lot ofthat going around, yes, a lot
of you know the guy from UnitedHealth deserved it, got what he
had.
I mean what happened to us,right, what?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
happened to us.
Yeah, I am truly appalled, I'msickened, made ill in my heart
to see the amount of everythingthat you said, that they're like
two separate but equal uhfactions of this the female
response and the societalresponse cheering this on and
(23:02):
applauding and and um, I'm blownaway like I can easily, and I
think we all can easily agreethat the we talked about it just
moments ago.
The healthcare system ishorrendous.
The insurance companieshorrendous.
I mean, there absolutely needsto be a massive overhaul.
(23:24):
Murdering CEOs is not part ofthat plan, right?
Not the solution, not thesolution ever.
And this was a human being and,honestly, even if he was a piece
of garbage like, even if he's areally crappy human being, much
unlike, uh, much like, um,jordan Neely or anyone who has
(23:47):
died for any reason, it's neverreally a reason to express glee.
No, you know, and there lies ahuge, distinct difference
probably from the left and theright overall, no one on the
right was applauding and saying,yeah, so glad he killed Jordan
Neely.
None of that was going on.
(24:08):
I'm sure it was going on hereand there.
People are people.
But he killed Jordan Neely.
None of that was going on.
I'm sure it was going on hereand there.
People are people, but generallyspeaking we don't applaud and
and honor, you know, those typesof things.
We see them for what they aretragic things that could have
been avoided and we wish couldhave been avoided.
But we don't wish death onpeople like that, you know.
And here they are.
Like you said, and again I'llsay, the women are so
(24:32):
embarrassing and first of all,from a personal perspective, I
think the kid looks like aCarmine from Laverne and Shirley
.
So not seeing, I'm sorry, I'mnot.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Wow, did you just show your age.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Holy cow, I know the younger people are like who, who
is she talking about?
Yes, so, yeah.
So just just a little side notenot seeing it, ladies, but you
know, whatever, but just thevery idea that they are mooning
over this guy who is, you know?
He's a murderer, guys, he's amurderer.
(25:04):
He didn't do you know, and theylove the whole vigilante thing.
That's what they're you know'reyou know, phrasing or kind of
like painting this as that.
Like he, you know, he didsomething for all of us that's.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
That's exactly where the confusion lies the exact
same people that are applaudinghim for vigilante justice
against the ceo are the samepeople who are attacking daniel
penny for vigilante justicewhich he's not guilty of,
because he's protecting people.
Yeah, it is so disconnectedright now.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
So disconnected.
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Listen I literally, just today, wrote a blog on this
is that we don't know when.
We, as Americans, are veryselective in when violence is
acceptable, and it reallydepends on who is applying the
violence and who's on thereceiving end of the violence
and how we feel about them Likein some cases, and it's all
demographics depends on theirrace, their age, their sexual
you know orientation, theirwealth, their you know status in
(25:57):
society.
Pick your thing, but peoplewill clap.
It's literally.
These are two side-by-sidesthat are perfect, right?
People will clap for one andcry for the other, and it is
literally the same argument onboth sides.
It's insanity right now.
(26:17):
It is and we, as Americans,don't know.
We don't, we don't know and wedon't understand because our
media glorifies it, like thenews media glorifies it.
The entertainment media makesbillions of dollars off of
violence, yes, and we continueto to think it's okay.
Right, we are so broken as anation when it comes to violence
, like our you know, we talkedabout it Our gut should always
(26:39):
be that's bad.
The application of violence isbad.
Now, you do take it on acase-by-case basis, sure,
through the court system, right,and you decide if it was, you
know, applied appropriately inthe you know, in whatever way,
shape or form, and that's how wefix things.
We don't share it before weknow what the details are.
(27:00):
Right, because here's thekicker Everybody's talking about
this insurance guy makingmillions of dollars and being,
you know, billionaire, billiondollar corporate CEO, and
they're blaming insurance.
And you know, this is why weneed socialized medicine.
If you go back and I've seenthis if you go back and you look
at the profit increase atUnitedHealth, it started to
(27:22):
skyrocket when, when Obamacarestarted, so socialized medicine
built this monster that noweverybody's mad at.
So you know, again, it's people, uneducated, uninformed.
They think it's damn the manChe Guevara, you know, rage
against the machine, whateveryou want to call it, and it's
garbage, it's inhuman, is whatit is Right.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, and you hit on a lot of really important parts
about that and you know it.
Just again, you get that imagein your head of lemmings.
They're just lemmings, that youknow.
They give them the little bitsof a sound bite essentially to
run with and they're like ohokay, now we're all in the.
I just picture this whole herdI don't think they're herds, but
whatever it is of lemmings justfollowing whatever you know
(28:07):
little crumbs that they put outthere and tell them to go with,
and no thinking for themselves,no research, no, nothing, just
you know, blindly following andthey and they just keep doing it
over and over and over again.
And it it makes me so tired,like it makes me so tired and I
feel like I say this like once amonth on an episode that I am
(28:28):
so tired of these people justbeing so foolish, so
unbelievably foolish, andaffecting everything and
everyone with that, infectingeveryone with that.
You know.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, and the biggest travesty is if that kid doesn't
go to jail for this right, likehe he should 100% premeditated,
no, knowledgeable, you know.
There's a high probability thathe's going to be declared
incompetent, stand trial, mentaldeficiency, and he's probably
not going to see big boy jail,although he should.
And I will tell you, as prettyas all these women think he is,
(29:02):
if he does go to big boy jailhis life's going to be awful.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Oh gosh, yeah, Awful, absolutely, I don't know.
He's got the love of parents.
I'm not advocating for Right.
That's not what it's supposedto be.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
I'm just telling you that reality inside that
concrete jungle, like, yeah,it's, he's, he's in bad shape,
right, but you know this wholething, this kid, you know.
Nobody should be making excusesfor him.
No, and a well-heeled family.
He's got an Ivy leagueeducation, right, bad experience
(29:36):
with with an insurance companyand a and a you know, a failed
back surgery of some sort andinvolved.
I don't care, it's not anexcuse to kill somebody, it's
not.
I don't care what anybody says,never will.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
No, never will.
And you know, as an example, Iwanted to pull this one up.
I forgot to pull it up sooner.
But as an example of just howgrotesque these people are,
here's a clip from Pierce Morgan, who had a panel on.
It was Tommy.
Lahren and a few other people,and this Taylor Lawrence is her
(30:02):
name.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Gross, just a gross, repugnant human being, and
here's why I do believe in thesanctity of life and I think
that's why I felt, along with somany other Americans, joy,
unfortunately, you know, becauseit feels like Joy, serious I
mean.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Joy in a man's execution.
Speaker 4 (30:19):
Maybe not joy, but certainly not, no, certainly not
empathy, because again, we'rewatching the footage.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
How can this make you joyful, this guy's?
Speaker 3 (30:27):
a husband.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
He's a father and he's being gunned down in the
middle of Manhattan.
Why is that making you joyful?
Speaker 4 (30:32):
So are the tens of thousands of Americans that beat
murdered.
So are the tens of thousands ofAmericans, innocent Americans,
who died because greedy healthinsurance executives like this
one push policies of denyingcare to the most vulnerable
people.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
So there's the answer Just kill him.
Kill this guy, because he justrepresents all of them.
That makes sense.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
Yeah.
And so when and where does thatstop?
You know, because Taylor Lorenz, right?
Yeah?
So let's extrapolate this alittle bit, right?
So you've got Taylor Lorenzwho's cheering this on.
She's supporting the murder ofthis guy.
What if that guy has a familymember?
(31:17):
What if one of his kids growsup and finds Taylor Lorenz and
guns her down and says well, youadvocated for violence against
my dad and like my dad, andthat's why my dad was killed.
And now retribution against you.
Yeah, are we supposed to bejoyful about, like this, her
advocating for violence likethis in some sort of retribution
for a policy that she believesis responsible for the deaths?
(31:41):
And I know there are going tobe people out there who are
going to get worked up aboutthis and they're going to say,
yes, it is, and I don't care, itdoesn't justify murder, I don't
care, you're never going toconvince me that that is the
solution for that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
No same.
And again, I'll repeat we all,I think we all agree that the
insurance industry needs reform.
I'll put it politely and justsay needs reform, and I hope,
and I truly hope, that that isgoing to be something that
happens under President-electTrump.
I guess we'll wait and see, butyeah, that is definitely one of
(32:17):
the things that needs.
But again, to restate, for likethe millionth time, I feel like
we have to keep saying it doesnot justify murdering somebody,
just doesn't, it doesn't.
And that they are continuouslydoing that all over social media
.
I've seen, you know, meme aftermeme, post after post, video
after video of people.
You know, just again you madethe perfect reference, like the
(32:40):
Che Guevara T-shirts.
You know that's, if they're notbeing made yet, they will be,
they will be.
Somebody will be doing it, youknow, and people will buy them,
people will wear them.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, I mean, there's people.
I've seen this, whether it'sjoking or not, or even if the
data is accurate or not, andit's like you know, just in case
anybody's wondering, the CEO ofPfizer lives at this address,
right?
They're like they're swatting.
It's crazy, um, and they'reliterally putting people,
putting people at risk.
Um, you know, and it's again,this is not okay, people.
It's not okay, because whensociety collapses, right from
(33:14):
stuff like this, you get what'sgoing on in the Middle East, you
get Syria.
This is what happens, right?
Right, you know you have acollapse of, you know, normalcy,
you have a collapse of societalnorms, um with any sort of
respect for other people, andthis is what you get.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Right, syria, for you know everybody who is or isn't
tracking.
You know, assad left.
He bailed, he bailed, he got ona plane and he went to Russia.
Right, he went to Moscowbecause he was protected there.
Syria has fallen into the handsof rebels.
It's protected there.
Syria has fallen into the handsof rebels.
You know, I was standing in abar this Sunday participating in
a chili cook-off contest whereI placed third, by the way, nice
(33:58):
and you know, I had a guy whowas like, oh yeah, this is, you
know, syria, that's great.
Assad needs to be gone.
And you know, all these rebelgroups, they're going to pull
together and they're going towork together and they're going
to rebuild Syria.
And I looked them dead in theface.
No, they're not Right.
You know what a power vacuum is.
Do you know what kind ofinstability that creates?
Like all of these groups?
This happened in Afghanistan,it happened in Iraq, it happens
(34:21):
everywhere, especially in thatpart of the world when that
global level leader, when thatnational level leader leaves, is
deposed, dies.
Whatever.
It creates a vacuum.
Someone is going to try to fillthat vacuum and, in fact,
multiple people are going to tryand fill that vacuum, and
that's when the fighting getsworse.
Yep Right.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Yeah, it was weird to me and again, I'm always the
first one to confess I know solittle of the inner workings of
all of that, so I never pretendthat I do.
But just, that was almost alittle bit of common sense to me
and I actually did notunderstand the initial cheers to
this happening, because thatwas my thought, like well, at
(35:02):
least he's the enemy, you know,you know, like what's what's
going to come up the pike next.
That's a little bit more scaryto me because, like you said,
it's already so volatile.
This whole area is such chaosand it's always on the edge of
something, so you don't knowwhat you're going to getdam.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Hussein, he is Muammar Gaddafi.
He is.
He's the same dictatorial typeleader that that region has seen
dozens of times, over and overagain.
Right, he, he did, in an awfulway, provide stability within
Syria.
Ok, because here's the problemright now.
(35:45):
One, there's about a somewherebetween 750 and a thousand
Americans in Syria.
Okay, because here's theproblem right now.
One, there's about a somewherebetween 750 and a thousand
Americans in Syria.
Right, right, service members.
These aren't tourists, thesearen't, like you know, these are
service members who have beenover there prosecuting targets
against ISIS.
Right, and so now they'resitting in the middle of this.
(36:07):
But oh, by the way, do you knowwhat Syria has that we have now
lost all accountability andcontrol of Chemical weapons,
like when he bailed and thegovernment fell and all these
rebel groups took over.
We lost all of that, and I canpromise you this is the same
thing that happened in Libya.
Right, there is a scrambleright now to try and find
(36:31):
account for, secure, make surewe have all of, or have hands on
or know where they are everysingle chemical munition that we
lost track of in Syria, becausethey had them, and that
stability that Assad and again,I'm not saying the guy was
awesome, because he clearly wasnot, but we didn't have this as
a problem.
This is a new problem thatbecomes significant very, very
(36:54):
quickly.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
And we have the present administration, the
outgoing administration, sayingand doing one thing, and we have
the incoming administrationsaying something very different.
I'm going to have you speak onall of that.
Here is what Tulsi Gabbard hadto say about it.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
I want to address the issue that's in the headlines
right now.
I stand in full support andwholeheartedly agree with the
statements that President Trumphas made over these last few
days with regards to thedevelopments in Syria.
My own views and experienceshave been shaped by my multiple
deployments and seeing firsthandthe cost of war and the threat
(37:34):
of Islamist terrorism.
It's one of the many reasonswhy I appreciate President
Trump's leadership and hiselection, where he is fully
committed, as he has said overand over, to bringing about an
end to wars, demonstrating peacethrough strength and putting
the national security interestsand the safety, security and
freedom of the American peoplefirst and foremost.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
So Islamic terrorists who are on a terror list are
essentially now in power?
Correct?
That is correct.
And what's Biden saying aboutthat?
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Not a lot.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Mumble, mumble, mumble.
Speaker 3 (38:10):
Essentially nothing, yeah, and so you know, there's a
lot of variables in this One.
We don't care much about Assad.
Truthfully, there's a lot ofpeople who are, you know, oh,
why did he go to Russia?
Is he right?
Who cares?
Like, the guy's gone.
If he's in Russia, they'regoing to put him up in a nice
big mansion.
He's going to eat well, becausehe's probably got millions of
(38:31):
dollars that he stole from Syriaand, okay, fine, so be it.
They're not.
Nobody's putting him back intopower in Syria.
That guy's out of play and itdoesn't matter.
And, truthfully, russia's rolein this matters even less,
because they don't have any sway, or very little.
But what we've been doing iswe've been minimizing the threat
.
There has been a number of youknow sorties, air sorties,
(38:57):
destroying all kinds ofequipment over there that has
fallen into the hands of rebels,which again are Islamic
terrorist organizations ofvarious kinds, and that's what
we've been focusing on because,you've got to, you know, the
infighting is going to destroySyria completely.
Oh, by the way, those types ofgroups, when they do come into
(39:19):
power, they, any grudges theyhave, they they're, they're
cleaning the books, right.
So when you don't, when you,when the power broker, assad is
out and you get somebody elsethat steps in and they have
control of all of the big toys,then they're going to find their
first rival, they're going towipe them off the map.
So I mean, you're talking thepotential.
The instability here has thepotential for, you know,
(39:40):
genocide level killings acrossSyria, because that's how they
settle these things in that partof the world.
And again, our currentadministration is doing almost
nothing.
I'm actually really, reallyworried about those 752,000
Americans who, I'm sure, havebeen on absolute high alert
since all of this happened,probably aren't sleeping very
(40:01):
well and we are probably tryingto figure out what is the best
course of action to get them outof there in the midst of all of
this instability.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
So now I read you.
Correct me if this is accurateor not, or if you know if it's
accurate, I read somewhere thatBiden is looking to take these,
these groups off the terror list.
So you know what the hell?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
That really does nothing.
Truthfully, okay, you know it.
Take them, leave them on thelist, take them off.
It doesn't change who they are,it doesn't change what their
goals are, what their mindset is.
You know, I think it doeschange some legalities and how
they can be.
You know how we can manage them.
Are they criminal?
(40:45):
Are they not?
You know?
But I think part of that too isone of those groups.
If he takes them all off theterror list, right, and one of
them gains power and they becomethe legitimate government,
legitimate government of Syria,now you're worried about a like,
no kidding attacking Syria as anation versus a terrorist group
(41:07):
, it changes the dynamic alittle bit.
It gives them a little bit, alittle bit of different
bargaining power, you know, whenit comes to NATO and the UN and
things like that.
So you know, I don't know whatthe best course of action is.
All I know is it doesn't lessenthe threat of instability or
the instability that's going on,and it really doesn't change
who those people are, whetherthey're on the list or not.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
So Is it safe to say that the Biden administration is
going to try and get usinvolved in this on a larger
scale?
Speaker 3 (41:35):
They already have.
They already have.
That's what all those, all thatair power that's been going on
over there, that they've beenkilling vehicles.
You know they've been using,you know, gen fighters and and
oh, by the way, an aircraft thatall of us love so much, that
has already been told it's goingto retire the a10 has been
flying around and blowing thecrap out of stuff.
Um is, uh, you know they're,we're in there killing stuff
(41:57):
like we've been expending prettyregularly over there.
So we, we are involved.
Now I hope it doesn't expand.
Hope's not a great course ofaction, but is that a
possibility, potential for us toexpand our role in Syria?
Sure, it is Scary, but that isright up the alley of the
(42:17):
current administration, right,and it's basically, it's
ultimately all selfish meansreally to give.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
Yeah, and also to give Trump, you know, an
absolute, as much of a mess asthey can possibly give him and
just drop it all in his lap andyou know, walk away.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
He'll do what he does .
Yeah, you know, this is one ofthose cases where he doesn't
want to be involved.
We've all figured this outright.
He spent the first four yearsas president getting us out of
all as many conflicts aspossible.
He's going to do the same thingthere.
He will be the hammer if that'swhat needs to happen.
If it needs to happen that hecomes in and he turns a place
into a parking lot, then that'swhat he'll do.
That's not what he wants to do,but that's, you know, a
(42:57):
solution that's always on thetable.
So, yes, they're dumping thisin his lap to figure out.
The politics, geopolitics of itare bad.
The relation with the terrororganizations is bad.
And oh, by the way, not to makethis even worse, but terrorism
is back on the rise again.
With our exfil from out ofAfghanistan, that safe haven,
that harbor, is reinvigorated.
(43:17):
Bin Laden's son is one of thepeople that's organizing this
resurgence of the caliphate andthey're trying to, you know,
pull all these terrorist groupsback together again.
And, you know, fight the fightagainst the West.
Great job.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Surprise, surprise, yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (43:31):
Syria plays into, Syria plays into all of it.
Speaker 2 (43:33):
So yeah, absolutely yeah, as much as they can dump
on Trump when they, when hecomes in and honestly they're
all the world is alreadytreating Trump like he is the
president.
You know, paris was a absoluteprime example the reopening, or
rededication reopening of theNotre Dame Cathedral after the
(43:55):
fire, yeah, so they all show upthere, all the world's leaders
and, of course, dr Jill, allshow up for this, and all eyes,
of course Dr Jill, all show upfor this and all eyes, of course
, are on Trump, and you termedit perfectly.
It was just sitting back andwatching how many of them were
kissing the ring and all of them, all of them, yes, yes, quite a
(44:19):
bit of deference.
There seemed to be, you know,at least outwardly, tremendous
shows of respect and regard forhim and I will probably venture
a guess and say relief that youknow some real leadership is
going to be coming in and theworld is taking notice.
You know, it was prettyimpressive.
Speaker 3 (44:41):
Yeah, the last four years as much turmoil is the
last.
You know, this current theBiden administration caused
within the United States.
You know, people don't know orfeel the ripples outside there's
a lot of global instabilitybecause the U?
S was kind of a drift, you know, with president Biden in charge
and really not doing anythingand really not talking to
(45:02):
anybody.
And oh, by the way, when he didtalk to people it didn't make
any sense, they didn't reallyknow what he was trying to do
and the policies were terriblewhen they had policies.
So now you know there's a lotof national, global leaders who,
whether they like PresidentTrump or not, are just happy
that there is somebody who isgoing to be, you know, in
(45:23):
command or leading the UnitedStates, the global power.
You know, kind of back to somelevel of normalcy, as opposed to
just like not knowing, likewhat are we doing?
What's the US doing?
And listen, macron is not aTrump fan.
No, no, he was kissing his ass.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yes, yes, how great.
We'll put it up to the, thevideo, the handshake.
He just shook that little manlike a rag doll.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
So they've had and I I kind of knew this, but I'd
forgotten about it because ofthe last four years they had
like a friendly, not friendlykind of thing going where it
would be like who could bestronger?
It was the man handshake likeyou know, crush the other guy's
hand, kind of thing, and that'sbeen going on for a while.
And that was this was thereinitiation, like hey, I
(46:16):
haven't forgotten, I'm the bigdog and you know that kind of
thing.
So yes, you know, mccrone, thatthat little friendly rivalry
thing was was back on again.
It was actually nice to see.
Uh and again.
Macron's not a fan but herespects president trump and his
role, not just in the unitedstates but globally.
So it was him.
And then dr jill.
Dr jill looked like she was alittle dr jill.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
A lot of fun little memes going on around about that
there's that.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
There's another one from a different angle, where
you're kind of looking overPresident Trump's shoulder and
you're looking right at Dr Jilland somebody caught her at the
right time and she's got a smileon her face.
Yes, the line I keep seeingover and over again is yep, she
voted for Trump.
Speaker 2 (46:55):
Yes, yeah, I saw another cute one too.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
Somebody said get a woman in your life that looks at
you the way Jill looks at Trump.
And then English royalty wasthere Same thing.
Yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Very warm reception between him and Prince William.
Thank you, yeah.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Yeah, and so, yes, everybody is paying deference,
but it's because of thedifference in the man.
The man standing there fillingthe role is the capability is
completely different.
So, whether they love him orhate him, everybody knows that
now there is at least somestability returning the United
(47:34):
States, and that is good for theworld.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Absolutely, it sure is.
Yeah, I, you know, watchingsome of and not some, actually
all of the videos, the thingthat I noticed the most is that
every eye is on Trump.
Everybody is watching him andlooking at him, and you know,
we're talking about worldleaders, people who are a big
deal in their own right, andeverybody's heads turn and
(47:59):
they're watching everything thathe does, and you know.
Then you have Biden.
You know, remember the wholething with him just wandering.
Well, I mean, it happens manytimes, but that the wandering
off and treating him like adoddering old man, you know.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
This week he was in Africa.
Yeah, he was dead asleep andeverybody's like, oh no, he had
an earphone in and he waslistening to the translation.
Listen, I've done that.
That's not what that was, andI've fallen asleep in those
meetings because they'repainfully boring.
That man was out.
He was out like a light, butit's a big difference for
(48:33):
everybody across the globe.
Everybody knows what they'regetting, but they also know that
this is not the Trump of fouryears ago.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Very different.
Speaker 3 (48:44):
Very different.
Speaker 2 (48:45):
Very, very different Trump yeah.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
He knows his job better.
He has a lot of.
His perspective is different,and so everybody think
everybody's there on notice andthey're paying the respects they
should.
I do want to say one more thingabout that.
Notre Dame and I didn't knowthis, but Selma Hayek and her
husband, who is someinternationally like the guys-
yeah, he's like a megabillionaire, yeah.
(49:08):
They donated an absurd amount ofmoney to the, really like $13
million.
Wow, yeah, like.
And they were there.
They were there at thededication.
They were standing in the backand I may be wrong.
I actually may be undersellinghow much money they gave to this
thing yeah, wow.
But yeah, she, obviously, or notobviously, but she's a Catholic
(49:28):
, her husband's Catholic, yeah,and you know, I think he may
even be French, but they donateda ridiculous amount of money to
make sure that Notre Dame gotrebuilt to.
You know the magnificence thatit holds for a significant
portion of the globe, you know.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
So yeah, that's fantastic.
I think she's also a side note.
Another side note I think she'sactually one of the people who
left the country, moved out ofthe country supposedly because
I'm.
I don't know if she really did,you know, they could have just
attributed that and she may havelong been out of the country,
for all I know.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
But she's married to a non-American.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
So you know all those people say they're moving out?
Speaker 3 (50:07):
They're not.
They're not moving out, they'rejust moving.
They're living in their otherhouse.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Yeah, exactly, they're just staying in their
other home for the time.
Speaker 3 (50:14):
If you're going to be a multi-billionaire, you're
like, and you can pick andchoose what you're going to
contribute to, stuff like that Iappreciate.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, that's pretty awesome actually.
Well, I had no idea.
Now we know.
I bet a lot of people didn'tknow that.
Thanks, clay.
Let's talk about something alittle weird.
What the actual heck?
What in the heck and heck isgoing on?
This is crazy.
I was actually ignoring it atfirst, because I thought, you
know, I just thought it was likenot, not conspiracy theories,
(50:44):
but just exaggerating somethingthat isn't a big deal.
You know, cause now everybody'sseeing UFOs everywhere.
What's the new term we'resupposed to use?
I forget, yeah, I don't know.
They call them something else,there's other, I don't know.
Somebody in the comments cantell us what, what the proper
new term is for UFOs, cause theydon't use it anymore, I guess.
But, anyhow, yeah, is for UFOs,because they don't use it
(51:06):
anymore, I guess.
But anyhow, yeah, super crazy.
So when I first was hearingabout this, it's been what for
like a couple of weeks maybe.
Oh yeah, yeah.
And I saw some videos on thetalk about it and you know,
again, they're always like thesegrainy, like here's a picture,
always these like kind of grainy, you know shaky videos and
stuff.
So I just kind of to be honestwith it, kind of like rolled my
eyes and said, oh, whatever,drones, big deal, get over it.
(51:27):
And they've been using the worddrones the whole time.
Actually they hadn't even beensaying UFOs, I don't think, but
anyhow, yeah.
So I saw those kind of ignoredit and said whatever.
And then I revisited this wholething the other day and I was
like, okay, this is actually.
It's like making actualnational news.
They're actually talking aboutit, you know.
So if they're talking about it,that's interesting.
(51:47):
But they're like the size ofcars, apparently, and nobody
knows.
They're like mysterious.
Nobody knows who's operatingthem or owning them or whatever.
And so what do you know aboutthis?
Speaker 3 (52:00):
Because I'm I don't know a lot truthfully, I know
that drone technology is growingin leaps and bounds.
I know that it's being appliedin Ukraine in weird and crazy
ways on a daily basis,everything from delivering
resupply to bombing tanks, tokamikaze, to blowing up people
(52:21):
like drones everything from thecheapest, smallest one, as big
as your hand, to the ones you'retalking about, the large scale
ones.
Um, you know that theapplication of drones right now
is limited by nothing.
Truthfully, between 3d printingand people's imaginations,
they're coming up with all kindsof uses for drones.
Now this specific case in newjersey.
Nobody knows why, and reallywhat bothers me the most is are
(52:44):
either the state government ofNew Jersey and the federal
government are both like I don'tknow yeah, what the heck is
that they're still not doinganything about it, and I know
that there's been violation ofFAA regulations with these
drones.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Well, that's what I was going to ask you about, too
Like there's rules.
Speaker 3 (53:01):
There's regulations for altitude, for, you know,
airspace management, so thatthey don't crash in other planes
or helicopters or anything likethat.
It's all regulated, yeah, andit's dependent upon altitude,
the size of the drone.
There's some licensing that'sgot to happen, and it very much
seems like no one is pursuingthis, which may.
(53:21):
That alone makes it suspicious,right, and again, it's
conspiracy theory, for whateveryou want, but it's been
repetitive for a long time.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
And now there's.
It's now it's sightings.
At first it was just like NewJersey reporting all of these
sightings and now it's acrossthe country, california Even I
just watched a video on it.
California is reporting thesesightings and everything.
It's definitely weird,definitely concerning, and we're
going to have to keep watchingthis because that's not normal.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
Along with the drone technology is also counter drone
technology.
So there's a lot of.
I know even the, you know the US military is paying attention.
The counter drone technologythat's out there being developed
right now is, you know, itsounds like stuff from the 1960s
Batman, like it's literally,you know, like guns that shoot
big nets.
It's like it's all of that kindof stuff.
(54:12):
There's sound waves that arebeing used where they're, you
know, using sound waves todisrupt them.
They're trying to jam, you know, reception.
As far as controls, there's allkinds of things going on.
None of it seems to be appliedin any way, shape or form in New
Jersey to figure out what'sgoing on.
I don't understand how nobody'scaptured one of these things
(54:33):
yet Knocked it out of the skyRight.
See who owns it.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
Well, I'll tell you what if they did that in Florida
?
Yeah, when it happens inFlorida, it's getting shot down.
Florida, man's gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (54:46):
Listen, parts of new jersey, parts of new jersey are
as urban as urban can get right.
Yeah, parts of new jersey arepretty freaking rural.
So like I'm surprised that wehaven't had that reaction yet.
Or you know, dude from fromjersey, right from outside, you
know out in the farmlands,hasn't shot one of those things
down yet.
Yeah, yeah, and it's probablycoming.
But I just that lack of actionby the state and federal
(55:09):
government on this is reallywhat's most appalling, I think
overall.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yes, and downright suspicious, really Like so to me
.
That says they're involved,this is from them, they're
trying out stuff.
So you know, I don't know'tknow everybody.
I want you to throw yourthoughts in the comments, give
us your best conspiracy theoryon this, because we know they're
usually right.
Speaker 3 (55:30):
Yeah, but seriously, we want to hear what you guys
think of that in the comments,because I'm I honestly that's
where my mind goes, especiallyif you're from new jersey, like
yeah, guys, come on this andthis is over your house.
Or yeah, tell us's going on,let's get some firsthand
accounts, if we've got some outthere.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Absolutely and and right and Jersey, um, and every
state, and other countries too,cause we get visitors from all
around when we do our lives.
Uh, next week we're going live,yay.
So same time, same everything.
We're going to go live.
Uh, it's going to be a reallycasual uh show.
We're going to go live.
It's going to be a reallycasual show.
We're going to be just talkingabout fun stuff and things,
(56:07):
answering questions.
You can ask us questions.
We'll put them up on the screenand answer them as best we can.
Whatever's going on news-wise,we'll chat about all that stuff.
So it's going to be anultra-casual show.
But we really wanted to spendthe pre-holiday with you and
just have a nice show together.
Spend the pre-holiday with youand uh and just have a nice show
together and it's going to beso fun.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
I'm so excited and, and listen folks, this is
probably the last show for 2024because you know, like christmas
and then new year's, and youknow, elsa and I are normal
people and we have families andlike activities, and the
holidays gets busy for us too.
So so live next week, normaltime, thursday evening, right so
East Coast, 9 pm, and you guyscan do the math backwards 8, 7,
(56:48):
6.
And we will be live, just likewe did on election night, and
and then we will that one andwe'll probably see in 2025 after
.
Speaker 2 (56:56):
Yes, that's right.
You're absolutely right.
That's the plan, yes, so we'relooking forward to it.
I'll put the reminders out foryou guys to come and join us.
I think we uh, I think our highpoint on on, um, uh, election
night, I think we were close tolike 400 people at one point.
So, um, we're relying on youguys to beat that number.
Can we do it?
(57:17):
I think we can.
Speaker 3 (57:18):
I would hope so.
We're not competing against anelection, like.
This is a Thursday night,talking about Christmas, so
that's next week, you know, thisweek again lots going on, happy
to have you guys with us.
Oh, by the way, we filmed itWednesday.
Wednesday 3 pm.
East Coast time for our timereference stamp.
Speaker 2 (57:37):
Yeah, so if anything happened between recording time
and then, don't yell at us,don't yell at us, please.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
You know it's happened guys, right, we always
love having you and, uh, youknow, this week obviously last
recorded and then next week live, and can't wait to do that.
So, uh, what do you think?
You good, you happy you're good, we're good.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
That's all I got for today.
How about you?
Speaker 3 (57:57):
I'm good too, as always for me.
Folks, thanks for tuning in andkeep moving, keep shooting take
care, guys, we'll see you next.
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