Marxism's Hidden Influence on America

We explore the profound influence of Marxist ideology on American society and how it continues to shape modern political discourse through divisive identity politics and constitutional erosion.

• Karl Marx's philosophy established class warfare by pitting the bourgeoisie (business owners) against the proletariat (working class)
• The Communist Manifesto contains ten planks that are recognizable in today's policies, including graduated income tax
• Education has become a battleground for control with systematic removal of constitutional understanding from schools
• Government officials actively encourage division rather than unity as a means of maintaining power
• People are selectively taught historical figures who support collectivist narratives while those who warned against communism are ignored
• The 16th Amendment fundamentally altered the citizen-government relationship by allowing direct federal taxation of individuals
• Solutions begin at the state level where citizens must elect representatives who understand their constitutional obligations
• The most effective defense against tyranny remains an educated citizenry who cannot be easily manipulated

Read "The Communist Manifesto" to recognize its principles in today's politics, and pick up a copy of the Constitution to understand your rights. Get educated, push back at the state level, and don't allow yourself to be categorized as part of a group rather than as an individual.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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chaos.
Author.
Brand creator.
Proud conservative Christian.
This is Elsa Kurt.
Welcome to the show that alwaysbrings bold faith, real truth
and no apologies.
Here we go.
Well, hey, mark, good to seeyou.
How have you been?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
I've been great, thank you, traveling like crazy
across the world, but other thanthat, I'm back home and here I
am.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I love it.
I'm glad you are and I'm gladyou were able to squeeze in some
time for me and the show.
I always love having you onhere For the people who are new,
my new followers who have notmet you yet on the show.
Could you do me a favor andjust give a little background
about yourself for them so theyget to know who you are?

Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, okay.
Grew up in New England.
I am currently living in NorthCarolina with my wife of almost
45 years the most luckiest girlin the world, you can argue Did
a stint in Arizona for quite awhile, ran for US Congress out
there and got pretty heavilyinvolved in politics with Kerry
Lake and Sheriff Joe Arpaio,who's a good friend of mine, and
quite a few others Paul Gosar,andy Biggs now, who's running

(01:02):
for governor.
I have two children, who oneworks for me in my consulting
company, lean Horizons.
It's a global consultingcompany.
We now have now consulted onsix continents.
I just got back from SouthAfrica a few weeks ago and that
was our sixth continent toconsult on and my other son both
my boys are veterans my otherson, both my boys are veterans

(01:24):
and they went to Afghanistantogether and in 2010, my little
guy, steven, who was 25 at thetime, did not come back.
He got killed over there.
So that put us in a club calledGold Star Families and it's a
club we didn't ask to join andit's also a club that we can't
get out of.
But my dad was a World War IIveteran, tool and die maker.
For 44 years he was at theBattle of Iwo Jima in World War

(01:48):
II and I just recently got allhis records and learned that he
enlisted which was kind of cool120 pages of records.
It's unbelievable.
Took a long time to get.
And so I'm talking out of myhome in North Carolina.
We just moved here in November,this past November, which we
love it here.
It's great Finally know whatgreen's like again.

(02:11):
And yeah, and we have a littledoggie named Buckley, mr Buckley
named after William F BuckleyJr.
He had King Charles Cavaliersand that's what he is and he's
the king of the house.
So I love it.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Are you still doing your podcast, Mark?
Are you on pause right now?

Speaker 2 (02:21):
No, no, I have two podcasts one for my business,
which is Lean Management it'scalled Lean 911.
And you go to lean911.com, andI have a constitutional podcast
which you've been on a couple oftimes.
And I want you on again and it'scalled the Constitution
Solution One Podcast Under God.
You can find it at1787solutioncom, and we picked
1787.

(02:42):
That's the year theConstitution was the one we know
today was written, and we geez,I think we're approaching 50 or
60 episodes so far.
So, and we've had all kinds ofgreat people like yourself on it
.
I had Ted Nugent, who's afriend of mine, he's on it, he
was on it.
A bunch of congressmen,different people running for
sheriff Sheriff Joe Arpaio hasbeen on it.

(03:02):
He's a good friend of mine.
So what we're trying to do, elsa, and why I got attracted to
what you do, is just try toexplain what's going on.
Okay, and we're trying toeducate people on the
constitution, and we'll refer tothe constitution today in our,
in our talk.
But we're just trying trying toeducate the public because we
are ill-equipped.
We are not.
You and I talked about this somany times, about how

(03:23):
ill-equipped and uneducatedAmericans are, about our history
, about our form of government.
I've had arguments with highschool history teachers that
being a democracy and a republicare the same thing and this is
what we're teaching our kids andthey're walking out thinking
they know something and allthey're doing is programming
these kids, and they don't havean original thought of their own

(03:44):
.
They're being programmed andall they're doing is parroting
some liberal teacher that taughtthem the wrong history of our
country, and so we're justtrying to get the right answer
out there in terms of what we'reall about and why we're unique.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I love that, mark.
I love it.
It's so true.
We're so on the same page withthat.
As you well know, no-transcript.

(04:28):
Prepping for today's show andpulling some different things
together, I came across thisquote from Karl Marx that
absolutely perfectly sums up theplan and the intention of what
they're doing, and that quote isthe first battlefield is to
rewrite history.
Karl Marx, I mean, wow, erasehistory, rewrite history, make

(04:51):
sure we forget true history.
And that is how you control thenarrative, because they're
telling them what the narrativeis right.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Also, you and I did two episodes on your podcast
about Marxism.
Okay, and you're absolutelyright, karl Marx, I'm going to
bring him up today.
I'm going to start with thatbecause it sets the tone for
what's going on today.
Okay, and that is a real key tothis whole thing.
But you could buy, you know,and I know I sent you this as
one of the many books I seeyou've got the Webster 1828

(05:22):
dictionary there, which is, bythe way, the dictionary of
that's Webster's real dictionary, not the Merriam-Webster crap
that's out there.
This is the dictionary that hewrote so that we can memorialize
the meaning of the words thatwe use in the Constitution, in
our founding documents, becausewords have changed and he knew
that was going to happen.
The guy was brilliant and Ilived in the town he grew up in

(05:45):
and actually been to his home tosee the original dictionary.
For example, bare arms what isbare?
Bare means handheld.
Back then, okay, that's kind ofimportant when you start
outlawing a bunch of weapons,knowing what they meant by bare
arms, and to them it was just aword that they all understood.
Okay, we don't understand barearms today.
Okay, right, that's kind of abig deal to me that we

(06:06):
understand what bear arms means.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
And that's why the definition of war Okay, go to
that dictionary and you'll getthe real definition as to the
way the founders meant it backthen.
So that's why I sent you thatdictionary, because it's such an
refer to it all the time.
I ask my wife, you know, hey,what do you want for Christmas?
She says, oh, I want adictionary.
Hey, mark, what'd you get forChristmas?
I got a dictionary.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Got a dictionary.
This is such a.
This is such a treasure.
Like this is one of the thingsI would grab if the house was
burning down.
This is one of the things Iwould grab.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, I don't know.
I got some wine I wouldprobably take, but oh,
definitely.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
You definitely can.
Not that we would, becausewe're not like that.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Yes, okay, you know but listen.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
But you know, the reality is, if there's, you know
, anyone who desperately needsto hear this information, it is
them, because they've been sobrainwashed and indoctrinated.
And you know again and I thinkyou use this phrase before
something very close to itthey're not being taught and
you've all heard this beforethey're not being taught how to
think, they're being taught whatto think, and that is so

(07:13):
profoundly dangerous.
And the proof is culture.
Look around, the proof we'reliving in, the proof of
everything that we're going tobe talking about today and Mark
is going to be enlightening uson, you know, and I know a
little bit and largely not onlyjust our conversations, but
preparing for our conversations.

(07:34):
It's been such a greateducation for me because I get
to learn all this stuff that andI've told you before Mark knows
this, some of you know thisalready I was a slacker.
Ok, don't come for me.
I was a slacker in high school.
I was kicked out of my historyclass, my American history.
I was kicked out for talkingtoo much.
So now, at this stage of mylife, all of a sudden I'm saying
, oh man, I really wish I'd paidattention and now I don't have

(07:57):
to kind of like relearn or, Iguess, just simply learn all of
the things that I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
I know where you went to school.
You're probably smart.
You didn't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
If you catch my drift , if you catch my drift.
You, I, I totally catch yourdrift and that's very accurate.
I could tell stories of of someteachers and you know the
stories already, but I won'teven go there, Won't even, won't
even taken that high road.
But yes, yes, yes, and thatgoes back.
But that was a great point,Mark, because this, really, it
goes back before me also, butwe're going back.

(08:26):
I'm 53.
So we're going back, you knowwhat?
Like 30 years, oh my gosh, yeah, that's about right, 30 years
ago.
I can reflect on recognizingthe indoctrination that was
already starting then.
And again, it goes way beforethat as well.
As Mark can give us a littlehistory on that too, right.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
Yeah, I had to deprogram my kids on a weekly
basis, yes, okay, no, guys,lincoln didn't own slaves, right
?
I had to deprogram them everyweek on things.
It was a lot of work, okay, andit shouldn't have been that.
I shouldn't have done that, youknow.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
No, ironically, my saving grace.
The thing that got me introuble the most in my youth is
was my saving grace, and that'sthat I was ridiculously
rebellious and contrary toeverything that was said to me,
all the time, like I had to doand say and believe the opposite
of what I was told.
Worked out really well for me,so I'm so thankful for that.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
You seem like a person who would just fall in
line and agree to everybody,don't I, though?
I know I mean, come on, I'm soagreeable.
Now you know what you know.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's funny, mark.
I'm so agreeable now If youtold me that two plus two is
five.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I'd say okay, sure, and it's believe that, you
believe that.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
I like that one too.
I'm going to use that one.
I like that.
It's really good.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Anyway, but let's start here because you mentioned
Karl Marx.
By the way, you know theCommunist Manifesto.
I think it's like six bucks onAmazon, 10 at the most.
It takes an hour to read Elsa.
Please buy it.
If you have listeners listening, buy it.
Please read it.

(10:11):
Listen to what Marx has to say,and Frederick Engels is the
other author of that document.
There's 10 planks of theCommunist Manifesto and as you
read that document and gothrough those 10 planks, ask
yourself does anything lookfamiliar of what's going on
today?
And if you didn't, if youwalked away with the answer no,
then you don't know how to read.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
You need to go read it again, my friends, right,
right.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
That means you went to public school and you know
how to read, okay.
But anyway, and by the way,education is part of that whole
thing.
Control the education, okay, so.
So the whole idea here is is isis get educated, right,
understand and all that, and Ithink you'll see a lot of
parallels and the episodes thatwe did on Marx talks about those

(10:49):
parallels, okay.
So I want to start with KarlMarx again.
We keep coming back to ourbuddy Karl Marx and Frederick
Engels.
Yeah, it was written in 1848.
I wasn't alive back then, bythe way, I wasn't alive in 1848.
The whole notion of this thingwas there's a class struggle and
history is driven by this classstruggle that people had to

(11:11):
deal with throughout their lives.
And the two, how he set this upand he set this whole tone of
what we call resentment basedpolitics right, which I'll talk
about where that derived from alittle bit later.
But the bourgeoisie, I shouldsay, is what he pitted against
the proletariats.
The bourgeoisie is the middleclass, the people who own

(11:33):
businesses, your garages, yourflower shops, your, you know,
back in 1848, all the peoplethat had some level of commerce.
You'd be that guy, okay,because you have a business,
you're an author, you have apodcast, you do other things
right.
And the proletariats were justbasically the working class,
okay, and what they looked athere is, you know, the

(11:55):
bourgeoisie is the owners ofcapital that took advantage of
the working class, of theproletariats, everything they
have came from, extorting fromthem their labor, their money,
their wealth and all that.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
That's the division that this guy created and let me
pause you for a second just toask was that a perception or a
reality of the time?

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Well, it doesn't mean that the classes didn't exist,
right?
The motivation, see, karl Marxmade and you asked this question
on one of our podcasts earlier,which was a really good
question, you know was he eviland did he really believe this
stuff?
Well, he really did believethat.
The wealthy, if you will and,by the way, I'm not talking
about the billionaire Musk levelpeople, I'm talking about the
people that own businessesaround your community yeah, they

(12:45):
exploited the working class.
Okay, so he believed that therewas exploitation going on,
didn't recognize that peoplehave different intelligence,
different skills, differenttalents.
Okay, I can't do Kamala.
Okay, you do Kamala.
Okay, I could try to do Kamala.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
And nor would any sane person want to.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Well, I never accused you of being sane?

Speaker 1 (13:04):
No, thank you.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Nor me.
But the point, though, is that,hey look, mark Deluzio, I'm
5'10", I'm Italian, I can't playin the NBA.
Okay, sorry, there ain't noItalian, white Italians in the
NBA at 5'10", okay, and even ifI could, it wasn't going to work
.
I didn't have the skills andtalent to play in the NBA, so
you know.
So you look at that and you sayto yourself okay, there's
certain things I can't do.
Mark can't play, okay, and Ican't do Kamala.

(13:29):
That's not what he thought.
Okay.
He thought hey, look, if youhave a talent, like you do, you
have many talents, by the way,you're exploiting people by
profiting off those talents,okay.
So he looked at the class worth, uh, warfare here, regardless
of your talent, of your work.
Uh, when you look at, why arewe letting people else out of
jail?
Why are we letting all thesecriminals go?

(13:49):
There still exists a.
They're there because they gotexploited.
Okay, and if it wasn't for yourich, tyrannical people, and why
they take billionaires likemosk and bezos and those guys
and they kind of you know andtrump, okay, if it wasn't for
you guys, they wouldn't be injail.
There's a reason why people letthese guys out of jail, because

(14:09):
it further drives the narrativeof what this class warfare is
all about.
Okay, so that's not a.
That's not a.
That's not a incompetence.
They're very competent at whatthey're doing.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
And you mentioned a couple of quotes here which I'd
like to start with here, beforewe get onto what's going on
today.
You mentioned one of theMarxist quotes.
Here's another one Religion isthe opium of the people.
Okay, so one of the things thatyou're going to find with
communism which you can argue isMarxism is and, by the way,
communism being defined as thestate owns all means of
production and all property, allproperty, everything.

(14:48):
Okay, including that bookthat's on your shelf.
Here's another.
You'll love this one.
This is a guy you'd really wantbabysitting your grandkids.
The only antidote to mentalsuffering is physical harm.
How's that one for you?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Here's a beauty.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
Okay, and this is in the Communist Manifesto, if you
pick it up.
The theory of communism can besummed up in a single sentence
the abolition of privateproperty.
Wow, the abolition of privateproperty.
Okay.
So he wanted a classlesssociety, but he wanted the
proletariat, the working class,be the ruling class.
Okay, and one of themiscalculations he made was

(15:22):
assuming that if there was eviland corruption and tyranny in
the business owners, in thebourgeoisie, then why wouldn't
there be that in the proletariatclass?
That's a big miscalculation hemade.
And certainly there's tyrannyin both and dishonesty and
immorality in both classes.
It's throughout.

(15:49):
I don't care how you want toslice up society, it exists
everywhere.
Whether it's veterans, there'ssome bad veterans.
Whether it's politiciansactually, in this case, I said
there's some good ones Doctors,lawyers go down the list, I
don't care.
Podcasters okay.
There is a bell curve ofmorality.
There's a bell curve of tyrannyof people who are narcissists.
So his miscalculation was thatthe proletariats were going to
be pure and they were going toall do the right thing and they

(16:10):
were going to be the peoplecontrolling this thing called
communism.
And that was a really, really,really big miscalculation he
made.
Now let's turn to one of ourother favorite communists Lenin.
The goal of socialism iscommunism.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
And I think the term communism, I think, greatly gets
reinterpreted, misinterpreted,however you want to phrase that
by modern day, and even I mean,I don't even have to say modern

(16:47):
day like probably even like the60s, you know, and 70s and so on
, all the way up through today,is that they like to dress
communism up as this prettylittle hippie dippy community
type thing and, as you statedearlier, that's not what it is.
It's not.
You're, all you know, sharingthe baskets of fruit together
and everybody's living happilycoexisting, and you know all of
their pretty little phrases thatthey like to use this is, this
is government control of everyand ownership of everything that
you do.
It's not what they believe itis right.

(17:08):
I mean, is that a truthfulstatement to say that there's?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Who do they learn from?
How would they know whatcommunism really is?
And it's the people that camefrom communist countries that
really know and can scratchtheir heads how college kids
today.
And, by the way, that basket offruit that you talked about has
one apple in it and it's rottenokay yeah, absolutely that's it
all, right you know, trump hada really neat one uh.
When he's talking aboutvenezuela, people say, oh, you
know, uh, they look at sweden asthis, uh, as this mecca of of

(17:36):
socialism, and how well it works.
Well, first of all, if youreally understand sweden and
I've been in many times it's a.
It's a Okay, it has socialisticpolicies, just like we do.
Okay, yeah, social security isa socialist policy.
The way we tax people now issocialist.
16th Amendment we maybe talkedabout that last time and with
the graduated income tax, we gotrid of the apportionment clause
in the Constitution, so now youcan do graduated tax rates,

(17:59):
which is, by the way, one of the10 planks of the communist
manifesto.
Okay, it's interesting how thatworks.
Right, and we passed that in1913, the 16th amendment.
But when you look at, when youlook at all of this and you say
you know Trump's?
Trump said he uses Venezuela asa as a real, terrible example
of what socialism can do, peoplesay, oh well, that's because
socialism wasn't implementedcorrectly in Venezuela.

(18:21):
And Trump responded no, no,it's because socialism was
implemented to perfection inVenezuela.
Okay, that's what happened.
Okay, and I thought that was anunbelievable comment he made.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
It's a powerful statement and accurate, right
yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
And then there's a couple more Lennon quotes.
I just throw these out here.
You're going to love this one.
Give me four years to teachyour children, and the seed I
will have sown will never beuprooted.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
How true is that man?

Speaker 2 (18:47):
So you didn't pay attention.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Yeah, if it doesn't, I tell you, anybody watching
right now, man, if that doesn'tmake your blood boil, if that
doesn't just fill you withrighteous anger and rage.
It's calculating, it is socalculating and you know, mark,
I did unrelated at the time, butnow, as we're talking, I
realize how incredibly wildlyrelated it is.

(19:11):
I got it in my head Don't askme why I get these ideas and
then I have to, you know, runfull steam with them.
And I was wondering I was, youknow, I think I'd seen, like
maybe I don't know a meme or aquote or something about Freud,
and then it just sent me on thiswhole other chain of thought.
So I started doing thisresearch on like, why Freud,

(19:35):
like, why did his ideas, histheories become so ingrained in
our culture, our psyches?
You know, for lack of adifferent term, really it's
probably an accurate term whydid that become our, our
goalpost, our guide, not ourgoalpost, our guide of
psychology and behavior and allof those things?
And then that got me towondering who else was coming up

(19:57):
to prominence at that time?
Was there somebody who had adifferent perspective?
And blah, blah, blah.
Well, yes, there was.
There was Sigmund Freud, andthere was Alfred Adler, who
started off under Freud and kindof went along with his theories
and ideas and all of thosethings until he didn't.
And then he was kind of like,yeah, that's now you're getting
a little crazy.
All this stuff You're likeyou're way over the top.

(20:18):
No, I'm more focused on soAdler, focused more on actual
real, uh, healing,accountability, uh, taking
responsibility for yourself,moving your life forward instead
of Freud's concepts and ideas,which is, you know, basically
forever being in therapy,therapy, talking about your
problems and, you know, in hyper, focusing on self and inner

(20:42):
self and all of the things,rather than moving forward.
And my, this is my long wind ofsaying, winded way of saying all
of this was happening,beginning like in the fifties
and sixties all around, probablythe same time where this
progressivism really was takingroot, not to say that it hadn't
started early we know, of course, that it did but it just got
into the psyche, the minds of awhole new generation, and that

(21:06):
has just been getting worse andworse and worse.
But it was an entirelycooperative effort between
government, the medical fieldand basically, people in power,
so as to control the masses.
Because if you keep themmentally ill, if you keep them
physically ill, if you keep themfrom knowing your history,

(21:27):
knowing truth, having any ofthese moral, social markers to
guide your behavior, what we getis what we have right.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Well, it's a really insightful point you're making,
because uh did you learn aboutAdler in school?

Speaker 1 (21:44):
No, I did not.
Never even heard of him.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Did you learn about Nietzsche, okay, who predicted a
hundred million deaths comingout of communism?
His only problem was he was offby about 300 or 400 million.
I said 1,000.
He predicted 100 million deathsbecause of communism.
He died in 1900, but he livedduring the time of Marx and
Nietzsche.
We never learned aboutNietzsche, okay, friedrich
Nietzsche, nietzsche is anotherone of those philosophers, and
along with Adler, who pushedback on this Freudian, because

(22:06):
the Freudian philosophy fit thenarrative better.
Yes, fit the narrative better.
Yes, okay, it fit the narrative.
And when you start saying, oh,you gotta take self
accountability and take care ofyourself before you start
changing the world, changeyourself first.
I don't want to hear that.
Okay, no, that's no fun, no no,and and and no, you're, you're
absolutely so.
Anyway, either that conspiracytheorist, and I think you're

(22:31):
correct, okay, but I don't know.
I'm a conspiracy analyst.
I like that All my conspiracieshave come true so far.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yes, hate to say it, but they have.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
I really do hate to say it, because they weren't
good.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Would rather not be right.
I would love to not be right.
I really would love it.
I would be thrilled to not beright way.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
Millions died.
Okay, we start looking at uh,let's talk about Nietzsche, for
example the world of power.
He's the one that came up withthe phrase resentment based
politics, okay, and, and he hassome very interesting thoughts
about, um, people suffer and youknow, you and I talked about
grief, right, we all have griefin our lives.
Everybody is not nobody'simmune from grief and you know,

(23:09):
I know some people that thinkthat every day, eight billion
people get up and think thefirst thing they think about
before their feet hits the flooris how they're going to get
screwed by the 8 billion people.
All of them are thinking aboutthis.
One person.
Okay, all 8 billion of them inthe world, around the world,
they're thinking how am I goingto screw John Smith?
That's what John Smith isthinking and that's how they're
geared Right.

(23:30):
And that goes back to theFreudian thing you talked about.
Ok, and so the Nietzsche sayinghey, you know, suffering needs
an outlet, it needs a target.
Ok, and the more I studied him,the more I said that's probably
why so many narcissists getattracted to politics.
Hmm, wow, yeah, yeah, becauseyou need, you need to have.

(23:51):
This whole resentment basedthing is about if you're
deprived of power, your naturaltendency is to react Right, okay
, and you're forced to find somekind of I don't know
compensation for loss of thatpower.
Okay, and it can be done in alot of different ways.
Maybe my podcast is the way Ido it, I don't know.

(24:12):
Okay, but it's a natural thingthat we all have.
Now you take these tyrannicalnarcissists that are running
things and use that to theiradvantage to gain more power, ok
, so?
So what does that mean?
You know, by the way, nietzschesaid the rise of communism will
lead to the death ofChristianity, and communist
communism will lead to 100million deaths.
100 million, and communism willlead to 100 million deaths.
100 million.
And he was, like I said, whenyou start looking at Stalin, who

(24:36):
we were, you know, taught hewas an ally, right, we don't
know.
100 million he killed of hisown people.
You know, in World War II, whenthe Russians got captured by
the Germans and they returnedafter the war was over, and you

(24:56):
know, germany lost.
Those people that got back toRussia were sent to
concentration camps, in gulags,because he thought their minds
were polluted.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Now, okay, that's what Stalin did?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
He starved the Ukrainians.
Okay, a hundred plus million,we don't even know how many.
You had Pol Pot.
You had Mao Zedong.
You had Hitler.
Of course, we all learned aboutHitler.
So all of these people thatkilled masses of millions and
millions and hundreds ofmillions of people around the
world because of communism.
Okay, yeah, well, what happenedwas the intelligentsia all the

(25:23):
bright people that are smarterthan you and me, okay, started
saying, hey, the bodies arepiling up and this ain't good.
Okay, so we got to soften ourapproach.
So what did they do?
A lot of the intelligence thatcame out of France, okay, in our
universities they said we needto now do censorship, social
media, cancel culture.
I was canceled for two yearswhen I ran for Congress.
Linkedin canceled me because ofa comment I made.

(25:44):
They had to let me back onbecause I was right about my
comment.
They call it misinformation.
Two years and in my business,I'm kind of a rock star in what
I do and two years I was off ofLinkedIn, which is a big deal.
The thought police in ourinstitutions, as we all love
these professors who areprogramming our kids, Right, and
just look at some of thepolicies that came out.
Like Canada, you cannot legallynow, if you refuse to call

(26:04):
somebody by their preferredpronoun, you can go to jail.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Can you imagine?
We don't even have to imagineit's real yeah imagine.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
We don't have to imagine, it's real.
Yeah, it's not imagining, it's,it's real time.
Yeah, I understand thishappened here and I have to
verify it, but in the uk, if youpray in front of an abortion
clinic, it's illegal.
You could be taken away.
In some of the european eucountries now they, uh they if
you criticize the government,you could be put away.
Okay, canceling of god takinggod out of our classrooms.
You know I did this whole thingon your last episode about and
I have a podcast episode, it'smy episode 41 on my Constitution

(26:38):
.
Solution is talking about theseparation of church and state
and how they got so misconstrued, so using that now to take God
out of our classroom.
Remember communism they do notwant you to pray to a God they
want you to pray to.
They want to be your.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
God.
They want to be your God.
They want to be your, yourhigher power.
No competition, yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
And that's why.
That's why a lot of, a lot of,uh um, communists communists are
are atheist.
Okay, yes, it's not by accident.
Um, on my episode six, I talkabout nullification and the
alien sedition Act.
But John Adams, part of theprovision of the Alien Sedition
Act was he wanted, it was a lawthat a journalist could be

(27:16):
jailed for criticizing thegovernment.
And Thomas Jefferson andMadison pushed back when they
were governors of the respectivestates Virginia and Kentucky, I
believe pushed back and said,no, we ain't following that law
because it's a violation of theFirst Amendment.
Okay, and it was.
And it got repealed.
Okay, and that was John Adamsthat wanted that.

(27:36):
Okay, uh, one of our founders.
So they weren't always on thesame page, of course, right, but
but if you look at and thishappens on both sides of the
aisle, but mostly on the leftside tell me what the left has
built, and I talk about the leftone, but the far, the
progressives, the progressivescoming out of woodrow wilson's
age yeah a progressive.
All that means if anybody, ifanybody, wants to have a quick
definition.
They have a disdain for ourConstitution.

(27:56):
And they're also smarter thanyou.
They're more advanced than you,elsa and me.
Their thinking is so above thefray, and if you don't believe
me how brilliant they are, justask them.
They'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
They'll be happy to tell you, mark, I got the
wildest and I get a lot of wildcomments, but this was the one
that really made my head shake.
A guy I just happen to knowthis guy it doesn't matter if it
was a man or woman, but I justhappen to know it was a guy
commented on a post a while backand it's always stuck with me
in that head shaker way.
He said listen, I'm aprogressive, we're on the

(28:31):
opposite side of things.
I get that.
But listen, I'm a progressive,we're on the opposite side of
things, I get that, but at theend of the day, we all really do
want the same things.
No, we don't.
You are clearly notunderstanding what you are, what
you claim to be.
So I think you need to go backand relearn that and you might
find out that you're actually aconservative but you're not a
progressive.

(28:51):
You can't tell a progressivecannot tell a conservative, or
vice versa, that, oh, we reallywant, at the end of the day, is
the same things.
No, we do not know, my love, wedefinitely you know, it's a
great.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's a great point.
That's why I want them to readthe communist manifesto.
The crap that they believed inis communism.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yes, and this is why I love Charlie Kirk so much.
Do you love Charlie Kirk?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
I adore, I've spent time with him, yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Please, if you see him again, tell him how much I
love him and he's just sowonderful and the way that he
challenges these collegestudents to stop and think, you
know, and by questioning themand I think that I don't want to
call it a tactic, because Idon't, I don't, I just don't
like that word when it'sreferring to something that's so
positive really, his techniqueis to have them explain
themselves, like, explain yourpoint and then I will counter it

(29:43):
, but I'm giving you it givesthem the space to say what they
have to say or want to say, andthen he challenges them to make
it make sense basically, andthey can't them to make it make
sense basically, and they can'tthat.
I I have yet to hear one whohas you know, quote-unquote
bested him.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Uh, what happens is these kids and I've watched a
lot of those that charlie Ispent an hour and a half
one-on-one with charlie, by theway and, uh, and, and, um, they,
they, uh, by the way, he'sreally tall, he's really tall
he's like six, five or something, isn't he?
He's tall, he's up there yeah,he's a boy.
Being short Italian, everythinglooks tall to me, but anything
anyway.
See, the problem is they comeout of these classes and they're

(30:20):
parodying these soundbites fromtheir professors without any
critical thought.
As a matter of fact, if they dowant to challenge the
professors, they'll getpenalized.
Okay, yes, that's the cancel.
Culture, culture.
Okay.
So they come out with these,these one-liners and Charlie's.
Well, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
There's systemic racism in ourpolitics.
We just elected a blackpresident twice, right?
We have a black governor.
We have a black Senator.
We have a black.
You know what are you talkingabout?

(30:41):
Well, that's different, right,it's always different.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
It's always different , it's always fricking different
, Right?
And the reality is, is you?
You've gone in and disprovedyour own point with barely even
trying.
You know, just by the mere factthat if what you were saying
was true, none of these thingsthat have occurred Black
president, leaders, all of those, none of those things could
have possibly happened.
If what you say is true, right,Right.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
They have no substance to back it up and then
, sooner or later, it turns intoname.
Once it turns into name calling, then you know you've won and
it's not about winning, by theway but it always turns into oh,
you're a racist, right.
What do you know?
You're a white woman.
You don't understand what it'slike to be, you know.
And when you're a guy it's evenworse.
It's like you're a white guy.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh yeah, that's the kiss of death.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So dividing us by race, by income, by wealth,
bisexual preference.
They talk about the LGBTQXYZcommunity.
There's no community.
Tell me where this communitylives.
There's no community.
Okay, yeah, and you know.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I know people who are transgender, and I know people
who are gay, and the ones that Iknow all say the same thing,
which is just leave me alone.
I just want to live my life.
I don't want a spotlight on me,I don't want to be the center
of attention, I just want theopportunity to live my life
quietly, you know, and, and Idon't want to bother anybody and

(32:02):
I don't want anybody to botherme, and I respect that.
I don't, just because my, uh,my faith beliefs, my, my
biblical beliefs don't align, uh, with that lifestyle, uh, as
human beings, whatever theletter of the law allows you to
do and be, it's none of mybusiness and I stay out of it.
I've never made it my businessto get involved in somebody

(32:24):
else's sexuality or theirpreferences or any of those
things, until they made us getinvolved.
I don't want to be bothered, Idon't want to know.
I'm busy living my life, Ican't be bothered.
But now you make it ourbusiness, and that wouldn't have
been the case otherwise.
So you know, this is a very youknow to your point.
This is a very select group ofpeople that are making something

(32:44):
out of what's kind of nothing.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
They need to have a group to use as a victim, okay,
and then use that for their youknow for for power.
And so you know, when you, whenyou look and I think I've told
you the story before a womanfrom a foreign country I won't
tell you from where, but shesaid to me you know, you're,
you're successful, mark, becauseof your white male privilege.

(33:07):
And I'm like well, that meansall white males here should be
successful, right, I know a lotof people are man.
They're not successful by anyscale.
Okay, they're white and they'remale.
Okay, and the rich should paymore in taxes.
I said well, why do you want topay more taxes?
I'm not rich.
Do you make between $20,000 and$30,000?

(33:28):
No, I make more than that.
Well then, you're rich Onglobal standards.
You're wealthy, Right?
No, that's not what I'm talkingabout.
What are you talking about?
I said because I could make youthe oppressor by putting you in
a group, and that's what you'redoing to me, okay.
For example, what are youtalking to me on right now?
She says I'm talking to you onan iPhone Have's in the middle

(33:51):
of China, three hours outside ofShanghai, by plane.
And that's where Oxconn makesall their iPhones.
One plant has up to 500,000employees in it Children, women
mostly.
Okay, and children, okay, byyou paying.
And their iPad plant has 100 to200,000, okay, I'm talking
about, like, the city ofScottsdale, where I just came
from, had 250,000 residents okay.
So factories in China, where Ijust came from, had 250,000

(34:13):
residents.
Okay.
So factories in China this 14million people in this town is
the seventh biggest town inChina, okay.
So I said, look, by you buyingan iPhone, you're, you're,
you're supporting child labor.
You're an oppressor.
No, that's different.
That's not.
That's not what I'm talkingabout.
No, no, no class, you are anoppressor of child labor, slave
labor.
Okay, I love that you did that.

(34:34):
No, no, that's different.
That's not what that means.
Okay, fine, okay I mean and I'vehad relatives say, well, your
success is only because you gotlucky, and my response is, yeah,
I agree, I was born in theunited states.
I mean, if I wasn't born here,okay, with all the, I came from
nothing, as you know.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I explained my history to you I first apartment
, my had.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
We didn't have a bathroom and, by the way I look
back at that, I would live likea king even then.
Yeah, where I've been in thearmpit of this world, okay, sure
.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Okay, I almost wonder if the cure-all for all of this
you know America hate fromparticularly the left.
I wonder if it could all becured with a plane ticket to a
third world country you know, orjust one way, please yeah.
Any genuinely impoverished andoppressed culture.

(35:25):
Just just pay a nice long visitthere and you'll be coming back
like Katy Perry from space andkissing the dirt that is the
soil of America.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Don't get me started on that.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
I know we won't even go there.
We won't even go there.
We'll go back to this or atleast one of the points of the
progressive plan really which isto divide us all into groups
and then to make us all mad ateach other so that we're not

(36:00):
paying attention to what they'redoing over there.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Right, I look back at history and I look back at our
presidents and you know wetalked a lot about Woodrow
Wilson, how he's the father ofthe progressive movement and the
damage he did to our country,and I have all episodes on Woody
, but to me he's tied withanother president that I think

(36:25):
did the most damage to ourcountry.
And everybody says, you know,joe Biden was our worst
president and you know I thinkit was Barack Obama.
And because he did more toprovide us than anything and if
you really look at Obama, he wasa community organizer.
I always say follow the moneyright, community organizers do
not make money when people getalong, because Al Sharpton,
jesse Jackson, any of these racebaiters, they don't make money

(36:48):
when people get along, and itseems true with a lot of our
government.
We have to have this division.
So he created this race thing.
We had the likes of OprahWinfrey, who perhaps is the
richest woman in the world.
I don't know, I don't keeptrack of her wealth, but she's
up there.
Never, ever would have gottenthat wealth anywhere else in the
world but the United States ofAmerica.
You tell me how racist we are.

(37:11):
Kamala Harris, go to Japan andtry to run for prime minister.
Okay, see how well that worksout for you, right, yeah, and so
forth and so on.
So these people who are, andObama, we elected twice and he
would not have been electedwithout the white vote.
Right, okay, absolutely Right.
So he comes in and he did thisin this community organizer,

(37:35):
became our president and, and mygod, he was such a skilled
politician, he was unbelievablehim and bill clinton phenomenal.
I don't know, I think which onewas better.
Both of them are phenomenal.
Okay, yeah and um, but theylook at oppressed status and he
used race more than anybody yes,okay, and created these victims
and dividing our country.
And when you look at thananybody, okay, and created these
victims and dividing ourcountry.

(37:55):
And when you look at this, youknow, and I think I told you the
story when my son died in 2010,we did not get a call from
obama, right, but michaelbrown's mother did the terror of
ferguson, the guy that tried tosteal the gun from the cop got
shot.
In the meantime, accosted awoman at a convenience store
minutes earlier.
Uh, this is the guy that Obamasaid, hey, michael Brown needs
to.
If I had a son, that would bethe model son I would want.

(38:17):
And his mother got a call fromObama when Michael Brown got
killed.
Okay, we didn't get one, and Ithink I told you.
President Trump, in 2019, nineyears later invited us to the
White House and celebrated myson and my family Privately.
Nobody knew about it.
It was us and other gold starfamilies.
So you know, you look at thisguy and you start it all, starts

(38:37):
adding up, um, as to what'sgoing on.
It's okay now to justify means,justify the ends.
When we kill a healthier ceo,right, he's an oppressor.
Okay, I didn't get my insuranceclaim paid because, well, not
the policy said I should getpaid or not.
They screwed me.
They take health care insurancecompanies.
Meanwhile, follow the money ofhealth care insurance companies,

(38:57):
funneling money into the peoplethat say they're tyrannical.
Into Congress, yeah, intopoliticians, okay.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Yeah, it's enough to make your head explode, really,
when you start connecting allthose dots and, like you said,
following the money.
When you start doing that, talkabout perspective shift.
It's an eye-opener.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Now we just opened up the Pandora's box for open
season on healthcare CEOs, justlike they did with President
Trump on assassinationsJustified because of the things
he's doing to our country, andit's always a but it's like oh
no, I don't agree with violence,but I can see why they think
that way.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yeah, I love how they go from being, you know,
shaking their fists and doingmarches for, you know, not
victim shaming and things likethat.
And then when it's somebodythey don't like like, we're
going to victim shame the heckout of this guy because we don't
like him.
So now it's okay to victimshame, now it's good.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I get the kick that they're burning Teslas now, but
they're using fossil fuels.
How about that?
Using fossil fuels to burnTeslas?
Trump's got those guys spinningman.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
He's got them spinning.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
They're out there now doing all the campaigning for
the Republicans on fighting forthese MS-13 gang members, going
down and visiting, doing allthat kind of stuff.
He's got them burning Teslas.
You just can't make this stuffup, man.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
You just can't.
I mean, you know the upside is,you know, as frustrating and
contemptible and disgusting asall of this is, the good part is
that this all but ensuresanother four years, maybe
hopefully eight more years,after President Trump's term of
Republicans being in office.
We just have to get rid of therhinos and, and you know, and

(40:40):
get them to really help him getthe job done.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
But I'm hoping I'm hoping it's I'm focused right
now on the next two years thatwe get Congress back.
Ok, and otherwise.
And you know, and I really dobelieve you know, I did a whole
episode on the 16th Amendmentand talked about the fact that
that before the they said, ohwell, the 16th Amendment gave
Congress the right to tax ourincome.
No, we always, they always hadthe right from day one in 1787,

(41:04):
to tax our income.
And Lincoln did put an incometax in in 1862 to pay for the
Civil War.
Okay, and that's for 10 years.
And then another tax came in, uh, the wilson gorman act that
reduced tariffs and put anincome tax.
But it was a flat tax and thecongress, the supreme court,
rejected it because it was aflat tax and it did not fit the
apportionment clause where itsaid the states were the ones

(41:26):
that had to pay taxes to thefederal government.
How the states collected, itwas primarily through excise
taxes and and tariffs.
Okay, no, income income tax.
Now the tax burden is all onthe individual.
With the 16th Amendment.
It doesn't mean Congress has totax you that way, but it opened
the door to do that.
Now with the 16th Amendment itdidn't give Congress the right
to tax our income because theyalready had that right, and they
already did it A hundred yearsearlier or whatever, 70 years

(41:48):
earlier, right?
What it did was got rid of theapportionment clause that said
that the taxes had to come inproportion to the states from
the state's population.
If you're 5% of the population,your state has to pay 5% of the
tax to the federal government.
But it allowed us for thegraduated income tax, which
meant the flat tax whicheverybody still wants.
Right.

(42:09):
It allowed for the graduatedincome tax, which is one of
those ten tenets of theCommunist Manifesto.
Ok, and so right there in the16th Amendment, we legislated in
a plank of the CommunistManifesto and everybody missed
it.
Everybody missed it.
Back then I wasn't alive, Ican't, you know.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Yeah, you have to blame for this one.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
What I have.
I don't know.
You know back then, with no,you know Internet either what I
have.
I don't know.
Back then there was no interneteither.
Right and the Federal Reservegot passed, and at night on the
23rd of December, when Congresswas away, that got passed.
We got screwed in 1913 withWoody Wilson and the whole thing
, your guy A whole other episodeon that.

(42:54):
But going back to our friendObama here, he really did damage
and rekindkindled.
I think we're on a really goodtrack on racism.
I'm not saying we were notdidn't have racists in our
country.
We always will, right alwayswell always we made so much
progress and if you ever notice,the left never, ever invokes
the words of martin luther kingnever.
Whenever you heard that you'reright I noticed these things.
It's like wait a minute where's, where's, where's, where's
martin luther okay heard thatnever.
You're right, I noticed thesethings it's like wait a minute,
where's where's?
Where's where's martin luther?

(43:15):
Okay, and how come you're notbringing him out?
Because he doesn't get thenarrative.
They don't want you to getalong.
He did, and he was a flawed man, like all of our founders and
like we all are flawed yeah, hewas a man all the way through
the bible.
But he, he wanted us to getalong.
Content.
Content your character, not thecolor of your skin, right?
Yeah, that doesn't work anymore.

(43:35):
And notice that since Obama,especially King, is never
mentioned, and who gets invitedto the White House is Louis
Farrakhan.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Yeah, if nothing else , just those facts alone should
be enough, should be enough toopen people's eyes a little bit.
And yeah, and I think thatprobably leads us really like to
wrap this up perfectly, becausewe're not like the left, we
like to actually talk aboutsolutions and not just problems.
Right?
What?
I guess it's probably amulti-pronged answer here.

(44:05):
Or question Oneconstitutionally, what do we
have to be watchful of, carefulof?
I mean, we're still, you know,I know we have Trump in office
and everything, but obviously wehave so many bad actors acting
actively against him, againstthis administration.
And, by the way, and tell me ifyou agree or not, in my heart, I

(44:27):
truly believe that Trump,specifically, and then his
administration, hopefully, areall on the same page of getting
back to what is constitutionallyright in this country.
And that's really what they'retrying to do Give the states
back the power that belongs tothe states, limit federal
government, which, by the way, Imean it should literally be

(44:49):
what we all want.
Irony of ironies, that the leftfights this tooth and nail, and
I don't mean leftist leaders.
I think there's a huge dividebetween leftist leadership and
their sorry guys, their minions,you know, their peasants.
Essentially, the peasants arethe ones that are.
You know, they think they'redoing the right.

(45:09):
I think they really thinkthey're doing the right thing.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
They don't understand Right.
Yeah Well, president Trump.
Ok, so I would argue that in mylifetime he is the most
constitutionally centeredpresident we've had.
Is everything he's doingconstitutional?
No Right, like terrorists?
Believe it or not?
Is a job for the legislature tocall terrorists, not the
president.

(45:32):
But, there's a law in place thatallows him to do that, okay,
okay, which is kind of crazy,yeah, but the point, though, is
this he is trying to adhere asmuch as possible to the
Constitution.
The Department of Education isa non-constitutional agency.
It should go away Absolutely.
And bring the rights back to thestates.
Marxists don't want that,because one of the planks is
control education In theCommunist Manifesto.

(45:52):
That's why we've got to readthat document, right?
Yes, and Marxists don't wantthat.
And why is he getting all thispushback?
He's pushing back on themilitary-industrial collateral
damage with war that weshouldn't be in.
Iraq was a lie.
Vietnam was a lie.
If you look at the Bay ofTonkin and how Johnson lied

(46:14):
about it and got us in there.
So you look at all these wars.
There's a lot of money in war.
There's a lot of money in anunhealthy America and there's
not a lot of money in a limitedgovernment.
That's the issue.
Again, go back to all threethings of all the money.
And so I look at this and seewhat Trump, president Trump, is
doing.
I don't say Trump, by the way.

(46:34):
I don't call him Trump, I callhim President Trump.
Okay, even when I write it onFacebook or on social media,
I'll write President Trump, Iwon't call him Trump.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
I am in the same boat .
I try and always refer and Idon't always remember, but I try
very hard to always sayPresident Trump, for multiple
reasons.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
And he's doing the right things and he's fighting
for America.
He's fighting for Americans.
And I have a prediction to makeand hopefully you'll say hey,
mark, you were right.
I think with this whole terrorthing, sooner or later he's
going to get to a point wherehe's going to propose we
eliminate the income tax justbecause we have a 60th amendment
doesn't mean they have to taxus that way okay, right, and if
we go back to excise taxes, uh,tariffs and maybe an income tax,

(47:17):
I mean I'm sorry, a uh, somekind of consumption or sales tax
?
okay I.
If he gets rid of the irs andthe income tax now, half, half
the people won't be happybecause they're going to have to
.
Half the Americans don't paytaxes, okay, right.
But and the liberals will gonuts on that, because the tax
system is a way to control youOkay, the income tax system.

(47:37):
And I'll never forget my firsttax course in college many years
ago.
My professor said don't evertry to make logic out of the
income tax.
He said let me give you anexample.
Why do you think you can get anexemption if you're blind, but
if you have no arms and no legs,you can't.
He said that to us.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
I did not know that this, this is really a thing.

Speaker 2 (47:56):
Yeah, you look at, you can get an exemption, for I
don't know if they still have itnow cause I don't know my taxes
I have.
I used to do taxes, right, Ihave.
But you get an exemption.
If you're blind.
You check it off, just like youwould if you got a dependent
right.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
That's pretty wild.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
He said why can't you get one if you have no arms or
no legs?
Because the lobbyist for theblind that put that law in was
unbelievably strong and paid alot of money to congressmen to
get that in there.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Again, there it is.
Money talks, right, money talks.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
They use the tax system to control you.
Okay, yeah, and that's justanother tenet of trying to do
that.
And with the graduated incometax, why is that a bad thing?
And why does Marx?
Why do the communists want that?
It's because you want to knockthe guys who are productive down
, right.
You want to knock them down, tobe even with the proletariats?
Okay, because they don'tdeserve that money.
Elon Musk didn't deserve hiswealth.
Okay, not at all.

(48:50):
He didn't deserve any of it.
Okay, right.
According to Elizabeth Warren,you know Elon Musk paid more
individual taxes one year thananybody in history of the US.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
He paid like a billion.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Nine billion.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
Nine billion.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Nine billion, who somehow is worth 70 million
already and is worth $70 millionalready and we're trying to
figure that out on a $170,000salary anyway, or $200,000,
whatever it is.
Elizabeth Warren said he didn'tpay enough.
That's the class warfare she'splaying.
She's trying to pit a guy likeMusk.
Somebody said to me Elon Muskdoesn't pay taxes, and I think I
told you this last time.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
I said well, I'll get a hold of him.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
You guys can trade tax liabilities.
What do you Right?
No, that's different.
That's not what I mean.
You just said you didn't payany taxes.
You paid $100,000 or $50,000 orwhatever in taxes.
You certainly want to make thatswap.
You'd be dumb not to right,right, right, absolutely.
I'll tell you what.
Well, why is Elon Musk goinginto space?
Well, he could be spending thatmoney that you're going to

(49:47):
spend.

Speaker 1 (49:47):
Donate it to the homeless.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Donate it to whatever cause you're, you know,
passionate about no, let's notget crazy, because they might
give it to planned parenthood ohboy, yeah, good point, good
point, let's yeah peoplestarving, I'm sure, and I'm sure
you can forego that trip.
Why do you need to take thattrip?
Okay, right, by the way.
And then I said to him I'lltell you what.
When you create livelihood forthe hundreds of thousands of

(50:09):
people that Elon Musk has, cometalk to me.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
The jobs he created for people, and not only the
jobs he created but thesuppliers.
It's a multitude, you know,like if a big company like a car
company goes out of business,there's like eight jobs for
every person.
Because of the supply baseRight, it magnifies throughout
the economy.
Okay.
Because of the supply baseRight, it magnifies throughout
the economy, okay, when you haveemployed as many and provided
livelihoods for as many peopleas Elon Musk has come talk to me

(50:33):
.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
And then add the next layer to that of the number of
lives he's changed and betteredwith his inventions and
creations and things and all ofthese things.
So you think these idiots thinkthat they're hurting Elon Musk,
the multi-billionaire?
You think you're hurting him by, you know, tanking his brand,

(50:54):
his Tesla brand.
He's got 50 million otherthings going on.
Well, you know, it sucks forhim.
Certainly, I'm sure.
I'm sure a hit is a hit rightwhen we're talking about
billions of dollars.
But yeah, he's going to beperfectly fine, but yeah, he's
going to be perfectly fine.
You're screwing over workers,You're screwing over
African-Americans who are tryingto feed their families.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
The other crazy thing that Trump has in mind is he
had the UAW president singinghis praise with all these union
workers and coal miners and it'slike he's got the union in the
White House singing his praises.
He's got the liberals burningTeslas with fossil fuels.
This guy had done a—I never sawanybody that's a number on a
party in my life.
Okay, yeah, and, and then, andthen you get this, uh, this, uh,

(51:33):
uh.
Idiot tampon tim there whateverhis name is out of minnesota,
who is rooting for tesla stockto go into the tank when his own
pension plan in his state yeah,you gotta love it, you, you
have to love it.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Like, if you don't just laugh, you'll, like your
head will explode.
Uh, all right, I sidetracked usfrom from my question.
I wanted to ask you and again,and I don't I don't really
expect you to have, like, theanswer to this, um, but what I
I'd love to figure out is how sopeople who agree with us you
know, we get into our echochambers people who agree with

(52:08):
what we're saying are the mostlikely ones to watch a program
like this or someone else who'stalking about these things.
How in heck's name do we getthe people who need to hear
these things to hear it?
Any ideas, mark?

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Well, I think you know you heard the cliche before
all politics are local, rightum.
Where are we losing?
it is at the state level yeahokay with our state
representatives and let's justtake this.
You brought this up before.
Let's take the second amendment.
Okay, I don't know.
It's pretty clear when I readthe constitution.
It says uh, shall not beinfringed.
Okay, right to be earned shouldnot be infringed.

(52:44):
Okay, very simple.
But it is infringed.
And I got to go to my state toget a carry permit to carry my
gun and it doesn't apply in allstates.
Right, okay, why?
Because we elected staterepresentatives to write these
tyrannical laws that areanti-Second Amendment,
anti-constitutional, and we keepvoting for these guys.
Yeah, okay, we keep voting forthem.
But every state has the lawsthat these representatives are

(53:08):
writing, these state reps, whothey have a job to nullify and
to not a job they have anobligation to nullify against
tyrannical stuff coming out ofthe federal government.
But they also have taken anoath to protect your
constitutional rights and theydon't.
The state representatives, forthe most part, do not do that.
And you start looking at well,wait a minute, you're going to
push back on the Department ofEducation.

(53:28):
We're not going to get a $200million funding this year.
Where the hell do you thinkthat funding came from to begin
with?
Okay, but they'll get kickedout of office if they vote
against it, because now you'reagainst education.
But on the Second Amendment andI'm using that as an example is
we keep voting for these guysand gals that are taking away
our freedoms Because we're noteducated.
So I still go back to ThomasJefferson, who says the best

(53:51):
defense against tyranny is aneducated citizenry.
That's the answer, which is whyI do this and why you do this,
because we got to get educatedfirst.
We can't push back on somethingwe think is good.
Right, they're doing it for gunsafety.
Little Johnny just got shot andwe're going to have to pass all
these gun laws at the statelevel that are totally
infringing on your rights.

(54:11):
And I'll go back to Franklin.
We learned this in COVID Ifyou're willing to give up a
little bit of freedom for alittle bit of safety, you
deserve neither.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
And that's probably my favorite one right there.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
I think that's my favorite, it's at the state
level.
The answers really get educated.
But push back under state reps,because that's where we'll make
the difference, because then wecan start repealing stuff that
comes down from the federalgovernment if we get the right
people in office.
They don't understand theseguys and gals in these roles
most of them, anyway, don'tunderstand their job.
They don't understand why theyexist.
They take the oath every yearor every term that they win, but

(54:49):
they don't really uphold thatoath because they're crapping on
your rights every single day atthe state level, and the state
is the reason how we can get thefederal government back.
Look, president Trump's ananomaly.
You're not going to get him.
You talk all about JD Vance youwant.
He ain't going to be that guy.
Or DeSantis, they're not goingto be that guy.
I'm sorry, they're not going tobe that guy.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
Yeah, I think President Trump is a one of a
kind everything yeah.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
And a lot of what he's doing, if it doesn't get
legislated, will be reversed.
Okay, and I have a lot ofconcerns with Mike Johnson, and
I've met Mike Johnson and pushedback on him personally in front
of 200 people, as you know.
I think I told you that storyand I have problems with a lot
of people in Congress right nowthat are not, you know, and so
they're looking out for theirpolitical survival too.
Okay, and now Trump is the waveand they're not going to push
back on him unless you're dumb,unless you're stupid.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Right, so they're just biding their time,
basically.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, and I don't believe
there is going to be anotherTrump, so it's got to be done at
the state level.
That, to me, is the answer.
Okay, cause you're not going tohave a Trump and you're going
to have more tyranny coming fromeven a Republican that gets
elected.
I don't see anybody out therethat's going to be like him to
really push back the way he'spushing back now.
I mean, what do you think JDVance, if he got elected
president, would have?
Would have closed down thedepartment of education?

Speaker 1 (56:02):
That's a great question.
Yeah, I mean, I honestly don't.
I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
Nope, he doesn't have the wherewithal and the
experience either.
Right.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
You know I have no, I really have no predictions of
you know who's going to run, letalone win the nomination for uh
, for the Republican party, in afew years.
Um, I don't even have anyparticular hopes for anyone
specific.
I feel like it's just too soon.
I would very much like to seewhat JD Vance is going to do
with his vice presidency, whatkind of impact he can make.

(56:34):
I also with that hope that itwill include tremendous growth
and learning for him, you knowto to potentially be the guy I
just I don't know.
I know that I like him, Idefinitely like him.
I certainly, in this moment, Iwould definitely not be against
a JD Vance run for presidency.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
By the way, I don't want to go on record here to say
I don't like JD.
I like him a lot.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's not, yeah, it's not that at all.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Here are three things I know about him, though.
One he was ran anything LikeSanta Solis ran a very complex
organization called State ofFlorida.
Okay, and when you're the CEOif you don't have any executive
experience that's a problem.
So he never ran anything.
And three I can't just dependon somebody who's really good

(57:21):
with the media as qualificationsto run for president.
Yeah, because you got to makethings happen, you've got to be
able to do things behind thescenes that don't get noticed,
and make the deals and negotiateand all that.
Now maybe he'll be great.
I don't know.
And I'm not saying he's not adummy, but the guy's brilliant,
it's a whole different lane thanwhat he's really been in.
That's why I'm looking at thatand saying I can't just drink

(57:45):
the Kool-Aid this early.
It doesn't mean I would nevervote for him or support him.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
It's the wait and see time period.
It's so early.
We just got Trump in.
We just got him.
Let's enjoy this for a while.
He's on his ninth year.
He was running.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
He was running.
I mean, he was running, okay, Imean, and he had an effect
during Biden's presidency.
So you know, you notice thatBiden didn't rescind the tax
increases and didn't take downthe tariffs for China

(58:58):
no-transcript.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
They say you know one , I don't want to get involved.
And they don't want to getinvolved because they don't want
to get attacked.
You know, and if they do getattacked, like if they do speak
out, they get harassed andbullied into silence because
they feel like they don't have agood enough response to combat
the, you know the, the attacksfrom other people, from people
on the left.
So the really the only way toanswer that or to get confident

(59:29):
in that is to know your facts,know the information, and
there's no excuses.
I've talked about this beforejust recently.
Um, there's no excuses.
You know, we used to always sayjust Google it.
The heck with Google.
Um, don't, don't Googleanything.
By the way, like no-transcript,like I'm giving you the tools.

(01:00:18):
I'm giving you guys the toolsto be able to respond and come
back at these.
You know whether it's theideologies.
Uh, you know the woke culture.
Um, whether it's the ideologies, the woke culture, when it
comes to the transing, our kidsand all of those things, if
you're afraid to get into it,they're going to tell you that
you're being hateful, thatyou're being racist, that you're

(01:00:38):
being transphobic.
Don't get sucked into any ofthat.
Don't just tune it right outand learn how to Charlie Kirk it
and just come back at them withexplain to me at what point I
was being what you are accusingme of, you know, because if
you're coming at them with factsand and grace, I don't know if
I'd go.
Maybe the right word would belove, but I know a lot of people

(01:01:01):
say, well, I'm not gonna lovesomebody who's you know blah,
blah, blah.
But facts is number one.
Truth is your best friend.
Learn it, know it share itevery chance you get.
I know most people don't wantto do what we're doing and take
the, you know, the comments andall of that stuff.
I, I totally get it and Iappreciate that and I respect it
.
As used to it as I am, it getsme riled sometimes I want to

(01:01:25):
come out, you know, swinging andswearing at people when they
come for me in the commentsections.
Uh, so yeah, I get it.
It's hard, it's definitely notfun, but it's it's incredibly
necessary.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, and and I think I think this you know to think
about this.
You know I have a couple offinal questions here, but you
know when, one of the questionsyou can always ask Elsa is hey,
hey, I hear what you said here.
How does that fit with theconstitution?
Okay, normally they won't evenknow what the hell you're
talking about.
Okay, and you know.
And then you get the namecalling in.
It was like a President Trump.

(01:01:57):
They call him a misogynist.
He has more women on his staff.
He has the first female chiefof staff ever in history.
They call him a homophobe.
How many gay people are in keypositions in his administration?
Biden called him a xenophobic.
I mean, two of his three wiveswere foreigners.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Like, really, I don't know what the hell that means.
So when they wrote the namecalling, though, that's what
ends up happening.
But to finish off this wholeissue about resentment-based
politics and pitting groupsagainst each other, the first
question I have is this isresentment-based politics
designed to keep the focus offof government?
And along with that, the secondquestion, a related question,

(01:02:39):
is who do you think are the realoppressors?

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, those are deep, big questions.
I would love and I'm sure youwould too.
I would love so much to seewhat you guys answer those
questions with in the comments.
So please do give us yourthoughts and your perspectives
on it, because I think this is agreat way to open the dialogue,
learn different perspectives,different answers to those

(01:03:02):
questions and, yeah, right, Imean, I think those are
phenomenal questions to ask.
Thank you for those, you know.
I hope this reaches people whoneed to hear it, for whatever
reason, whatever perspective youare sitting in and based in, I
hope that this helps you in someway and encourages you to share
it with other people, not onlybecause it helps me and helps
Mark get our messages out, whichis tremendously gratifying and

(01:03:26):
appreciated when you do but ithelps other people too.
So, and that's the that's thewhole goal.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
So Mark, thank you very much.
Don't allow yourself to be putin a class and treated as a
group.
You're an individual, okay,you're an individual, and don't
let people group you and thendon't also let people play you
as a victim.
Once you do that, you'replaying.
You're a useful idiot playingright into their game.

Speaker 1 (01:03:49):
Mark, thank you again so much for joining me today
and sharing all of this amazinginformation.
Can you do me the favor andtell everyone where they can
find you?
I know you have some books outthere too, where they can find
the podcast, all of that goodstuff.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, the podcast can be at 1787solutioncom or you
can look it up on Apple podcast,spotify.
It's on YouTube rumble and it'scalled constitution solution
One podcast under God, okay, anduh take a look at that and, uh
and uh, pick up a cheap copy ofthe constitution and the
declaration.
By the way, watch our episodesthat Elsa and I did on on the

(01:04:23):
declaration and the constitutionbecause those two there.
You'll learn an awful lot andit will arm you with some
unbelievable knowledge that willhelp you navigate through the
sea of tyranny that's going tobe thrown at you as you debate
your liberal relatives andfriends.

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