December 5, 2024 • 60 mins
Hunter Biden's explosive pardon has sent shockwaves through the political landscape. With President Biden granting his son a wide-ranging pardon covering nearly 11 years of potential criminal activity, we're left questioning the legal ramifications and the Fifth Amendment implications. Is this the start of a new era of presidential pardons, and what might this mean for future administrations? Join us as we dissect the public's perception and media reactions, drawing comparisons to past concerns about preemptive pardons within the Trump family.
We also explore the broader issues of government accountability and reform. Imagine a political landscape where transparency reigns supreme, with figures like Kash Patel leading the charge to dismantle entrenched systems. How might these changes impact our understanding of events such as January 6th, and what can be done to rebuild trust in governmental systems? The potential for future legal reassessments to affect existing pardons is considered, alongside the unprecedented possibility of a sitting president pardoning themselves.
Shifting gears, we turn our attention to the political ambitions brewing among state governors like J.B. Pritzker and Gavin Newsom. As they eye potential 2028 presidential campaigns, how might their histories and current maneuvers play out on the national stage? The episode wraps up with festive cheer, as we share our excitement for the upcoming Christmas season and announce a live interactive session with our audience. With humor and sincerity, we express gratitude for our listeners and look forward to more engaging discussions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey what's happening.
Clay how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm good you did it again with the banner.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, come on, man Drives me nuts.
I'm going to gonna stop doingit.
I'm really going again foreverybody out there.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Proof positive it's me and elsa, like that's it,
there's no production staff.
There's nothing, it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Listen, I'm even doing like technical adjustments
as as we're on like I don'tcare.
I don't care, you get theamateur hour here.
That that's what's going on.
Listen, it's so amateur hourover here, not over there, just
right here that as our intro isplaying, I still didn't take the
banner off.
What the heck man Gosh I've gotno excuses, I could make a
(01:02):
hundred of them Clay.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's all good.
That's why people love you.
It's a genuine thing.
This is what we do here and, toanswer your question, I'm good.
Thanksgiving is over, we aremoving on to Christmas, but you
know, the political traindoesn't stop and we've got some
big, big stuff.
Obviously, we're going to talkHunter, we're going to talk Kash
Patel and some other thingsright after this yes, indeed
(01:39):
it's, it's literally.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's such amateur hour on this side of the table
I'm like spilling water onmyself.
I sent a text to my husband, soI was out of the house and I
came home with about 12 minutesto spare to get downstairs into
my studio and do the show and dothe things and slap on a little
(02:03):
more lipstick, all that stuff,stuff.
Clay knows, you know no,nothing about, uh, the dramas we
have to go through to get readyfor things, and I, I didn't let
the dogs out.
So there's a chance that youknow we could hear the dogs
barking.
But I texted my husband and Isaid can you put the dogs out?
And I fired it off so quicklythat I didn't read it and I just
(02:24):
glanced as the music is playing, our intro and I see that I had
, you know, auto corrected tofood.
So it's a can you put the foodout?
To which, of course, heresponded what food?
What are you talking about?
Welcome to my life Y'all anyhow.
Anyhow, much bigger, moreimportant things, and you
already know what it is.
(02:45):
What we're talking about, guys,this guy Kidding me, clay,
nobody's surprised, right?
I mean right off the bat, nomatter how many times we heard
this.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Come on, I'm sorry, son Hunter.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I want to make sure that that is not going to change
over the next six months, thepresident's saying it's still a
no, it's still a no, it's stilla no, it's still a no, it will
be a no, it is a no and I don'thave anything else to add.
Will he pardon his son?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, Hmm, say what now ?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, and it's, it's everywhere, it's.
He said it, she said it, it'sbeen said on multiple.
All of the networks, right, allthe state run media, you know
CNN, msnbc, they all.
They've been saying it for ayear.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yep, not going to happen, not going to happen, not
going to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And none of us believed that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, no, not at all.
I think the part that I guess,if we want to call anything
shocking I don't think shockingis the word, Disgusting is
probably the word Like we knewhe would pardon him.
I never really even thoughtabout the scope of that pardon
(04:01):
and it's a big, giant, blanketpardon that goes from.
What was it like?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
2016 until December 1st.
It's 2014 to December 1st of2024.
So it's 10 plus almost 11 years.
And so, of course, that begsthe question why?
Why back that far?
Why 2014?
And it's all there.
So it's when you know his uh,hunter's employment with Burisma
started it's dealings withChina president.
(04:25):
He was then vice presidentBiden, you know, and, and et
cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So 2014 is not an accident, youknow, and I know.
I know what the statement says.
For those of you that haven'tread it you know the statement
says that you know Hunter, youknow this essentially wouldn't
have happened if his last namewasn't Biden.
There's a miscarriage ofjustice.
(04:45):
The Justice Department, whichis the Biden Justice Department,
stepped over the line andpersecuted him and attacked him
and blah, blah, blah.
So crimes that he has committedand been found guilty of he is
now pardoned for and any othercrimes within that 10-year
(05:06):
period.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Insane.
So, crimes that we know aboutand crimes that we don't know
about Correct Anything.
Anything he may or may not havedone.
That is correct.
I don't understand how that'seven possible that he was able
to do this.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So four years ago if you go back, and all of the cast
of characters Rachel Maddow,you know, I think Morning Joe
and all the rest of them werejust freaking out because there
was an anticipation, a guess,that President Trump was going
to preemptively pardon ivanka,the two boys and giuliani plus
(05:48):
jared kushner, um, preemptivelypardon them of any crimes, uh,
committed.
I and they never really put abookend on it, but the
assumption was during hisadministration.
So everybody freaked out.
Now, do it?
Did they do it?
No, were any of theminvestigated or prosecuted
(06:08):
beyond associated with hisinvestigations, with the
exception of Giuliani, who'sstill in a legal battle.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, none of the kids, nor Jared, were investigated.
There were no crimes to beinvestigated, but they freaked
out, assuming he was going to dothat.
And here we sit, four yearslater with President Biden doing
exactly what they werelambasting Trump for which he
hadn't done.
They just assumed he was goingto do.
And now what are they saying?
Well, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah Well, it's okay, it's different, it's different.
It's not the same thing, it'sdifferent.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
There has been, from both sides, a lot of scrutiny on
this.
But those people specificallythere has been, from both sides,
a lot of scrutiny on this.
But those people specificallyMaddow and them that were all
over President Trump speculatingyeah, I haven't said a word.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, well, there's, you know.
And then we have this beautifulmontage of the name of the
creator is in the corner and Ican't remember it was like
Shadow Phantom, I think it is.
But put together this beautifulmontage of you know the
hypocrisy here it is, no one isabove the law.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Nobody is above the law.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No one is above the law.
No one is above the law.
Nobody is above the law.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No one is above the law.
No one is above the law, no oneis above the law.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
No one is above the law.
No one is above the law.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No one is above the law, no one is above the law no
one is above the law.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, nobody is above the law unless your name
is Hunter Biden, right?
Yeah, it's crazy.
And there was even I saw this.
I saw this other thing, it wasthis morning a judge, I think a
judge was criticizing the date.
You know that he put, whateverthe date, well, december 1st, I
(08:01):
guess.
So it was.
I guess there was like someambiguity in putting that date.
That essentially what it meantwas like he can, he can, he can
commit any crime all the way upand through the state.
So if he committed a crime ondecember 1st, you know, at uh,
11 59 pm, it's okay, he gets apass on it.
So like it covered, like in away, future crimes to a degree
(08:24):
for or short period of time, butyeah so I but you know, I'm
sure Hunter didn't takeadvantage of any of that
whatsoever.
He's such an upstanding fellownow.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah it.
So the tenure window obviouslyis, is an issue, but the you
know the things he got absolved,pardoned for.
And so I've had a couple ofpeople come at me on social
media and say, well, you knowPresident Trump, you know pardon
so and so let's, let's makesure we understand terms.
(08:56):
Right, commuting a sentence isone thing.
Ok, if President Biden hadcommuted Hunter's sentence
before it was even issued to him, he would still remain guilty
of those felonies.
He would just serve no jailtime.
Right, which presidents commutesentences?
They pardon people.
It happens at the end of everyadministration all the time.
Right, right, let's?
Let's be clear, when we talkabout this, of what was done.
(09:20):
He was absolved, pardoned foranything and everything in that
10 year window he was absolvedpardoned for anything and
everything in that 10 yearwindow.
That has one.
A couple of federal judges outthere are are pretty upset about
this because, one, it sets abad precedent.
Um.
Two, it it offers no recoursefor any potential violent crimes
(09:41):
or anything else that's foundout.
But also, this is rewritinghistory.
Those are the terms that arebeing used, rewriting history.
A federal judge said that todayor yesterday.
By the way, for our audience,it's Wednesday, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Wednesday guys Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
A little after 4 pm Eastern time, but there's some
interesting things that havecome out of this.
Legal minds I am not one umhave come up with some, some
very interesting pieces in this.
So with 10 years of pardon,right, hunter can no longer be
prosecuted.
So therefore his ability toplead the fifth amendment in a
(10:22):
trial against anyone else ispotentially gone.
Fifth Amendment right Protectyourself against
self-incrimination.
He can't be prosecuted.
So if he did something illegalin those 10 years, he can't
protect himself from beingprosecuted because he can't be
prosecuted.
So therefore he cannot claimthe Fifth Amendment.
(10:44):
That's what's being interpretedright now, how this plays out.
Now what does that mean to theBiden crime family?
And it means a lot.
The first thing we can allexpect is more pardons.
Joe's brother is going to get apass, dr Jill is probably going
to get a pass.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Of course he's just going to write them all a big
blanket pass.
He's going to get a pass, right.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But this is going to come to the point of can he
write himself a pardon Becausehe's involved with this?
The expectation of lettingHunter off the hook for those 10
years is that it absolves Bidenas well, but it doesn't.
So you know, the legal mindsout there are now again asking
the question of can a presidentpardon himself, when four years
(11:26):
ago it was a question of isTrump going to do it?
And even four months ago therewere people asking the very same
question about president Trumpat the end of this presidency.
Now I think we're going to getthe question answered with
president Biden because he isgoing to, I would say, be forced
, but there has definitely gotto be some consideration about
who else now gets a pardon,because Hunter's Fifth Amendment
(11:50):
rights are now null and void,because they don't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, oh boy.
So this feels like it's kind ofa dumb question, but I'm going
to ask it anyway.
Is there any circumstance wherea future president can undo
like once, once, no, like that'sdone, like, even if they found,
you know, discovered that, ordetermined, not discovered, they
(12:16):
determined that these types ofpardons are just like illegal.
You can't do it.
What's done is done and it'llapply only to future.
Like there's gotta be.
I mean, this has to bereassessed.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Now there's no question that there has to be a
reassessment.
Yeah, I think what, what?
What you're asking is a validquestion.
In other words, like if it wentto the Supreme court and the
Supreme court made a legaldetermination that these types
of pardons illegal, then wouldthat go back and reverse this
pardon on Hunter?
And the answer is I have noidea.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I have no idea.
I mean part of me likeinstinctively says no, it
probably will apply to allfuture.
So I, oh my God, the rage, thequiet rage that we should all be
feeling about this, and I'lltell you, and I don't know.
So here's what we knowconcretely.
So he issued a full andunconditional pardon.
(13:13):
It covers any federal offensesthat he committed or might have
committed.
I guess I should say from thedates that we said let's see.
So we're talking aboutgun-related charges, tax evasion
and there's a few other.
There was something else too, Ithought, and I can't find what
it is, but those are the twoones that have been talked about
(13:35):
the most.
What's not really talked aboutmuch at all is all of the other
things that were on his laptop,and it is vile, like that's
probably the kindest, mostgentle word that I could come up
with to describe the images.
(13:57):
So we somebody on X, and I'msure it's more than one person,
but I just happened to see thisone particular video post of
somebody who had actual accessto this.
I mean, it's basically a book,it's like that.
It's like probably about thisthick and and he is flipping
through this, you know, seriesof documents, documentation and
(14:20):
it's with images and text andall of those things and the
images.
Now we've seen some of theimages.
Obviously Clay and I decidedthat we are not going to.
We discussed it at lengthbefore we started on whether or
not we were going to show thisparticular video.
Are not going to.
We discussed it at length beforewe started on whether or not we
were going to show thisparticular video and we agreed
pretty solidly that it was justnot.
It's just not appropriate, it'sunnecessary.
If you want to see it, it's outthere.
(14:42):
Just go on X, you'll be able tofind it, no problem.
But what I'll tell you is it'sdisturbing, it's disgusting.
There's so much questionablethings happening on there that
and it's not even just theexplicit content, it's the, also
the um, uh, the dealings withukraine and all of this other
(15:03):
stuff like it's all in there andthere's going to be no justice,
nothing, nothing, nothing.
This scum of the earth really Imean, he's truly a repugnant
excuse, for a human being isgoing to walk free and it's just
horrifying to me.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Let me make sure I understand this is the laptop.
That was not right.
That was the Russiandisinformation right.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, the hoax.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know, the thing that didn't exist, the one that
had nothing to do with the lastelection cycle.
That one.
Yeah, that one, yeah that one soyeah, so the gun charges are
related to a lot of things,including his drug use he did
(15:50):
also, just for those of you thataren't tracking all this he
lied on the application form,which is a federal offense.
He was in possession of a gunas a you know as a drug user,
right, which is a federaloffense.
He was in possession of a gunas a you know as a drug user,
right, which is a federaloffense.
He ditched the gun in a schooldumpster, right, which is
horrific.
Anyway, there's the tax evasionthing, but there's also oh, by
the way, all of thosephotographs that were not
showing is proof of humantrafficking, right?
(16:11):
This guy bought sex fromhookers, right Prostitutes,
which is human traffickingcharges.
Now, you're right when it is afederal pardon, because that's
what the president can give.
The question is are there anyunfounded state criminal charges
out there that can be leviedagainst Hunter?
And I can tell you thatprobably there's a couple of
(16:33):
state's attorneys out there whoare Hunter, and I can tell you
that probably there's a coupleof state's attorneys out there
who are now digging.
I can tell you it's nothappening in the state of
Delaware, it's not happening inplaces like Pennsylvania or New
York or New Jersey.
Those are blue islands for themost part, that he's not going
to get prosecuted in.
He's not going to getprosecuted in, especially not
(16:56):
Delaware, which is where most ofthis happened.
So while there's potentialthere for state prosecution,
because this is a federal pardon, the chances are pretty slim.
The other thing is the legalityof the document itself.
So, the president, I think mostof us have seen the statement.
If you haven't, it's out there,it's on White house letterhead.
(17:18):
It was.
You know, what was provided tothese federal courts that are
prosecuting where the trials arehappening or have happened, for
Hunter was provided to them wasa link, not not a document, not
a pardon document with a, youknow, validated signature by the
president, but a, a, Astatement that was put out.
It's not a valid pardon.
Now, will that be corrected bythe White House, you know,
(17:38):
attorney general's office,whatever, I'm sure most quickly.
But again, it's just the waythis whole thing has been done.
You know it's sketchy as allget out.
Now here's a question for you.
I'm interested in your opinionon this.
We know President Biden isbasically an invalid right.
Yes, do you really think thiswas him cognitive, like
(18:00):
conscious decision, or do youthink this was a Dr Jill
influence?
Or do you think that this waslike a White House chief of
staff or even a what's hisbrother's name, bill?
Yeah, I think it's Bill.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I don't know, it's a family influence thing?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
or do you really think that President Biden had
the marbles to think throughthis on his own?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah.
So I highly doubt that he hasthe capacity to understand
what's going on in any givenmoment of the day.
He's probably got a couplelucid moments here and there.
They trot him out for somethingwhen he's, you know, relatively
coherent, but overall it's got.
It has to be a Biden crimefamily, the syndications you
(18:42):
know doing and all becausethey're obviously, you know, the
most obvious thing is thatthey're protecting themselves.
You know, because Hunter is aloose cannon.
He is an absolute mess.
He's a guy who, you know, losttrack of a laptop with
incredibly damning informationon it.
He is reckless, he's dangerousin every possible way, you know,
(19:02):
and I'm sure he's a spiteful,miserable little twerp too.
So you know, this is probablyhim having leverage, saying like
I know everything, you know whoknows what I might say when I'm
all coked up.
I don't know, you don't know,we'll see.
I mean so many possibilities, Ithink, and all of them are
believable and all of them areabsolutely disgusting, like
(19:24):
they're just the most disgustingpeople that have ever.
I hope that President Trump andFirst Lady Melania go in with
like caseloads of Lysol anddisinfectant to just purge that
White House of their existence,Like I want them to just clear
(19:45):
it out.
Get all of the filth and grimeof that family the heck out of
there.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, you're going to see a big tent over the white
house to have it fumigated.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
They're going to have to on the way out.
Oh, and speaking of that, didyou see?
Oh, my gosh, as we're talking,I got to pull it up.
Let's see if I can find it.
I hope I can.
Did you see the latestdecorations and I use that term
very, very lightly Um, I don'tknow if I have any, I'll just
add it in after.
That's all the decorations thatDr Jill put up for.
(20:19):
Oh, so, another circus theme,surprise, surprise, which I
think she did, similar like lastyear or maybe the year before,
or something Very likeincredibly gaudy, tacky, gross,
so ugly and disgusting.
And I I along with so manyother people saw those pictures
and were like, oh my God,melania cannot get in there fast
enough.
Like, please bring class backto the white house and bring
(20:43):
back.
I don't know if you remember, Idon't even I believe it or not,
I don't even pay that muchattention to these things, but I
just happen to remember likeher Christmas decorations were.
It was so elegant, the whitelights and the rows of trees,
and it was so beautiful.
And I think, as a side note, Ithink there was, like you know,
an aid of hers or an assistantlike release some video.
You know, some spiteful womanreleased some video of her
(21:04):
basically like complaining abouthaving to do the decorations
and everything which, by the way, I don't actually blame her for
complaining about that Likethere's so many important things
that she probably you knowthere's a woman with a pretty
high intellect, she speaks abunch of languages and you know
she's getting relegated to, youknow, hanging some lights and
for photo ops like, please, youcan do many more things than
that, but whatever, that's aside note.
(21:27):
Yeah, oh, so gross, like justeverything about these people.
I, you know, I know it's reallyhard to tell how I feel.
I really, I really hold it in,hide my feelings, but you know,
suffice to say I don't like themand I can't wait till they're
gone.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So you know.
The question is it's just adifferent approach the legality
of this.
So if he is not mentallycapable which has already been
declared, if you remember righthe can't stand trial because
he's not mentally capable, right, then is this pardon legal.
He can't stand trial becausehe's not mentally capable, right
, then is this pardon legal?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It shouldn't be.
I mean, you know it shouldn'tbe and I hope, like do you think
, do you think the Trumpadministration will pursue it?
I guess that would be the nextlevel.
Like will it be worth theirwhile to pursue it?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
No, I don't think they will.
I think there's a lot of peoplethat want them to.
You know, I know there's a lotof people that want them to.
And it begs another question,which we'll talk about in just a
second.
But but like I don't think thathe is going to try and flip
this, I don't think they'regoing to.
I don't think the attorneygeneral's office is going to
challenge the legality.
I don't think that they aregoing to try and go after Hunter
(22:48):
.
I don't.
I think that a lot of it isgoing to be handled in a
different way, in the sense of,like you know, all the Ukraine
dealings that are on the laptopthat obviously Hunter was
involved in, and Burisma and allof this other stuff, right, the
way that that gets handled isnot by going back after Hunter
and not by flipping over hisimmunity or any of the rest of
that stuff.
The way that's handled is welook at NATO and we say that's a
(23:11):
you problem and we back out.
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Handle it that way.
The China thing Right, becausethat's also part of this.
That's handled another way,right.
Most of like, president Trumpdoesn't give a crap about Hunter
going to jail for gun charges.
He doesn't.
Right what he wants to makesure in front of America and go.
I told you that's the big, moresatisfaction out of that than
(23:38):
anything else.
But so here is that the otherquestion, because this is, a lot
of people have brought up theJanuary 6th, right, so I've seen
it, and I've seen it in a bunchof places where people are like
, oh, including if I want to.
If I'm right, even Dan Crenshawhas said some things.
Bunch of places where peopleare like, oh, including if I
want to.
If I'm right, even Dan Crenshawhas said some things like this,
but it's like, oh well, allthis does is tell President
(23:59):
Trump that it's OK to you know,pardon all the J6 people on day
one Should they pursue Hunter.
Do you think that PresidentTrump will, or should, pardon
flat pardon all the J6 folks assoon as he gets into office?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What do you think?
Yes, and yes, I mean, I thinkhe should and I think he will,
and I truly, I honestly, wouldbe very disappointed if he
didn't, wouldn't love him anyless.
I would trust that there aresome reason behind it, but I
fully expect that he will, thatthey will be released and, and
you know, the left will have tosit there and suck on it because
you got nothing to say.
They're going to, they're goingto say whatever they're going
to say, no matter what.
(24:43):
But all you can do is just kindof laugh in their faces and and
rile them up even more byreminding them that we are, we
are the journalists.
Now.
You're not.
You know, we are the news, notyou.
We are the ones that are thecitizens, are dictating what
happens now, not you losers withyour agendas and your nonsense
and all that stuff.
(25:04):
But yeah, I mean absolutely theyshould be, especially with the
thousands of hours of footage.
That is not fast enough, butslowly getting leaked out.
And you're seeing all this.
You know most of us on thisside of things have been seeing
these videos for you know, thisentire time.
It's not actually new to us,but now it's getting more
(25:25):
exposure.
You know when you, when you seeCapitol Police officers moving
the barricades and lettingpeople through and opening the
doors and the you know thepeople just walking through,
taking pictures, strollingthrough, staying within the
ropes.
You know all of these things.
Yeah, you know it should be.
It should be a no brainer thatthat's what happens, but we'll
see.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
So I'm going to take a little bit of a different tack
.
I think what he should do is,on day one, charge them or
release them one or the otherright, just like you would in
any other criminal process.
Charge them or release them,period, because if they're going
to charge them, they've got topresent evidence.
Right, and if they're going totry them they have to present
(26:08):
evidence.
So, in a way, right, this couldturn into a complete exposure
of the FBI, which we all knowwas involved with this, of Nancy
Pelosi, who we know was part ofthis right, and all of the
Democratic leadership.
You know hell, you couldprobably reach far enough where
you could drag General Milleyinto this, which they probably
(26:28):
should.
So, I think there is an optionthere where he says, okay, I'm
going to step in, you know,charge him or release him.
Maybe not necessarily issue apardon, but turn this into a you
know, house arrest, or releasedon their recognizance and then
force the justice department toshow every bit of evidence
(26:52):
unsuppressed and then expose thecorruption that led up to
everything that happened thatday.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Very interesting tactic.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Now I think if he does what you said and he does
do the blanket pardon, leteverybody go.
Let's get this over with.
For a long time you're going tohear a lot of people complain
and they're going to say it'sunjust, and it's going to be a
lot of these other things.
But on the flip side, as soonas you press any of those people
the Nancy Pelosi's of the worldand Chuck Schumer and all the
rest of these and you say, well,that that's fine, we can go
(27:21):
back and we can just pull allthe film footage, we can just
show it, we can show it in frontof Congress if you want, and
then they'll all shut up.
But I think there's potentialfor you know, in the same sense
of all of his appointments.
You know everybody that he'sputting on, you know, into the
cabinet and into these keypositions to shake things up.
I think J6, you know, and thefabrication of all of it, can be
(27:45):
used to expose a lot of thecorruption under the Biden
administration.
And oh, not even just the Bidenadministration, because we all
know J6 happened under PresidentTrump.
But the you know the moles andthe operatives and the you know
everybody that was working forNancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer
and General Milley and everybodyelse, and how they played a
role in this.
So there's potential there todo that, and I just don't know
(28:09):
how long it would take and howmuch of a disruption it would be
, although these people havebeen sitting in jail for four
years.
So, you know, released on yourrecognizance to come back to a
trial where you're going to getexonerated anyway.
I don't think it would botherthem too much.
And then oh, by the way, theyall deserve a settlement from
the federal government.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Every one of those people deserves a settlement
from the federal government anda lot of money.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, a lot of money.
No question about it, noquestion about that, that is for
sure.
Oh, my goodness, yeah, you know.
I mean, I think for meeverything comes back to.
You know, weighing these twoemotions kind of put the thought
in my head that you know, tohyper-focus on Hunter and, well,
(28:55):
the whole Biden crime familyand Pelosi, and you know all of
them, and all of the illegalstuff and probably treasonous
stuff that they, they absolutelydid, Um, and is it worth the
time and energy and distractionthat it'll cause, when all of
the focus can be put on the plan, make America great again and
(29:17):
do all of the things and justessentially erase them?
And I don't know that thevengeance side of me has a hard
time of just saying that's OK,just let them go, Let them go.
They, you know, they wreakedhavoc on on this country for
years and in many cases decades.
But you know we're just goingto move past that.
(29:40):
I don't, I'm not, I don't thinkI'm a big enough person to do
that.
I'm trying to be my goodChristian self.
But that makes it hard to thinkabout these people who have, you
know, robbed us blind at thevery least, and then they're
going to get away with it.
That's a hard pill to swallow,but you know, the flip side of
that is there is so much workthat has to be done and you know
(30:02):
, I don't know, I don't know.
Is it worth having all of ouryou know, not all of our, but
our resources being directed atthat?
You know, I don't know, I don'tknow what the answer is.
I would like to see somethinghappen.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So I would propose a, an outside of the government
Warren type commission to dothis like forget the prosecution
.
The goal is not to prosecuteanyone.
Listen, president Biden doesn'thave, although I I'll to be
honest with you.
I, four years ago, I thought hewould have been dead by now
anyway.
But you know his, his lifeexpectancy is short and I would
(30:33):
tell you that Nancy Pelosi'sprobably isn't much longer
behind him.
So, really, what you're, thepeople that you're going to find
are the most guilty in this aregoing to serve the least amount
of punishment.
So the important thing, I think,for America is accountability
and and knowing the truth.
So I think we would probablygain as much or more from a true
(30:54):
fact-finding commission thatcomes out, they examine the
laptop, they dig through thebank records, they dig through
the communications.
They have access.
President Trump gives them 100%access to everything.
And they come out and they saylisten, the Clintons did this,
the Bidens did this, obama didthis, you know so, and so did.
It doesn't matter, you couldlist them all out.
(31:15):
Yeah and go.
Listen, we're not going toprosecute anybody, but we're
going to tell you this isexactly what happened.
And you know America, you canhandle it.
However, you see, you know youcan.
Their legacies are that arewhat they are, but here's the
truth and just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And you know what?
And I think that's exactly whytwo of those big names that he
has nominated, I think that'sexactly why he picked them Pam
Bondi and, of course, kash Patel.
They are ready to clean houseand I've got this great clip and
I'll be honest.
(31:50):
So, so I'm sure, and rightly so, people probably assume that I
spend a lot of time perusingnews and I'm watching all these
shows and podcasts and I knowwho all of the people, all of
the players are.
I really don't.
I really don't I.
You do that's, that's your job.
I like I learn about just whatI need to know, and then I go
(32:11):
into my happy, happy bubble andI read my Bible and I live a
very, very focused life wherethis stuff is actually only
allowed to be a very small partof it.
So you'll have to forgive methat I really didn't know much
at all about Kash Patel, and themore I learned about him, the
more I like him.
So here's this.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I'd break that component out of it.
I'd shut down the FBI Hooverbuilding on day one and
reopening the next day as amuseum of the deep state, and I
take the 7000 employees thatwork in that building and send
them across America to chasedown criminals.
Go be cops, you're cops, go becops.
What do you need 7000 peoplethere for?
Same thing with with DOJ.
What are all these people doinghere?
Looking for the next governmentpromotion, looking for the next
fancy government title, lookingfor their parachute out of
government.
So while you're bringing in theright people, you also have to
shrink government.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Ah, hmm, it brings me joy.
It brings me joy.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yes, for those out there who are like Elsa and are
not familiar with Kash Patel.
So you know, born to.
You know his parents are notborn in America, they're both
Indian, made their way herethrough East Africa to Canada to
here.
Kosh was born here in America.
He's a naturalized Americancitizen, or a natural born
(33:21):
American citizen.
He's a lawyer, worked first jobMiami-Dade as a defendant and,
if those of you who don't knowMiami-Dade, that is one of the
worst crime counties in theUnited States a defense attorney
and then got hired to be afederal prosecutor and then
worked his way up and worked inthe Trump administration in a
number of various positionsoutside of just the law.
(33:44):
He worked in intelligence.
He worked for the DNI for awhile and then worked Justice
Department liaison to the JointSpecial Operations Command for
prosecution of internationalterrorists, did some
counterterrorism.
You know legal work and someother things.
He's very, very well-rounded inthe intelligence and law
(34:07):
enforcement world.
In fact there was somespeculation that he could.
If he didn't, if he wasn'tgoing to get FBI, he might've
gotten CIA.
But this guy is is no jokingaround.
He is going to be, I think,more so than anybody else.
He's going to be the hammer,like he is going to be the guy
that comes in and crushes soulsand breaks apart old you know
(34:28):
networks and all of these otherthings.
He is going to be the guy thatcomes in and crushes souls and
breaks apart old networks andall of these other things.
He is going to walk into theFBI as a not FBI guy.
Right, he's going to break somestuff on day one and it's going
to be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's going to be a phenomenal thing.
I mean, you think about, youknow him in particular, and you
know basically everyone thatTrump has has appointed or
nominated.
They aren't beholden to anyone,to anyone, and it is so
exciting to know that thatthey're not in anyone's pocket
(35:12):
the nonsense and the noise andthey're stating their intentions
so boldly and so loudly that ifthey don't do what they say
they're going to do, they're out, they're gone.
Like I don't think you knowTrump is going to be as loyal as
you give him reason to be andyou know so.
I think all of these peoplethat are coming in, they are
truly the real deal, and ifthey're not, they're gone.
They're gone, that's it, and hewill find somebody else to do
the job that he needs to havedone.
(35:34):
It's going to be.
This is going to be the likesof which, in our lifetimes,
we've never seen.
Like it's going to beincredible.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, this is going to be across the board and this
is absolutely president Trump'sintent is.
This is going to be breakingthe system right.
This, more than everything hetried to do in the first four
years.
This is draining the swamp.
That's what this is.
This is breaking it apart.
This is going to be arenaissance and rebuilding, I
think, of our government in thenext four years, specifically in
(36:03):
the next two years, becausehe's bringing in people like
Kash Patel, who is not an FBIguy, who is not beholden to the
bureau, who doesn't caretruthfully about the way we've
always done things Right, and heis not afraid to say things out
loud that make people raisetheir eyebrows.
I saw an interview with himwhere, I'm trying to remember,
(36:25):
he was sitting with two or threedifferent people and they were
talking to him, and he looked atme and he said well, you're
talking to the guy who has readthe entire Warren commission
report and oh, by the way, hasalso read the seven pages that
are unreleased to the publicfrom the nine 11 commission.
This guy knows everything, heknows the things, so he knows
all the dirty little secrets andhe wants those released.
(36:46):
He does want them released.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
So there's certain things.
He said something, I saw thatsame thing and he said something
about you know, some things arethat that are classified,
should remain classified, and Itrust his judgment on it, but
overall, much of that should bereleased to us, the people,
because we deserve to know.
And you know, this is what Iwant to see from our government.
This is what is supposed tohave been happening all along.
(37:13):
It's about us and this is thefirst, you know, in my lifetime.
This is the first governmentbody that's coming in and saying
exactly that you know not justwell, we know what's best for
you, we know what you need,don't worry about you know no
transparency between him and theattorney general, you're going
(37:34):
to start to see a very, verydifferent look to DOJ.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You know, with him heading up the FBI, you're going
to start seeing a significantcrackdown on a lot of domestic
network issues, and when I saynetworks, I'm talking domestic
terrorism, terrorism that hasinvaded the United States here
on US soil, organized crimegangs.
You're going to see massivemovement on this stuff.
(38:01):
Now, I know what he says aboutthe Hoover building and clearing
those 7,000 people out of there.
It's a good thing and Iunderstand his intent, but he
also knows in his heart ofhearts there's a number of
people that have to remain therefor the Bureau to function.
Oh sure, Right, Right, I think,like everything else, right,
Like like Elon and Vivek aregoing to do for the next couple
(38:22):
of years they are going to trimall the fat Yep, he's got to cut
away all the dead weight, Go bea cop.
And if you don't want to be acop, then you need to go away.
Right, and I think his youthand his energy, I think, are
going to be significant.
I also am very interested tosee now, with Tulsi Gabbard as
the DNI right and the FBIcontributing to that effort
(38:44):
along with the new attorneygeneral right, who you mentioned
right this, the and I hate thisword, but the synergy of all of
this has the potential attorneygeneral right, who you
mentioned right this, the and Ihate this word, but the synergy
of all of this has the potentialto really, really really rock
some stuff and break things tothe point where people need to
brace themselves for theinformation that is going to
come out of this.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's going to break a lot ofbrains.
It really is, and there's apart of me that feels a little
bit badly for those people.
You know, your average Joes andyour average Janes in the world
that have, you know, had theirheads in the sand or just simply
have been living their life anddon't really know anything.
(39:25):
You know, I do spend more thanenough time.
You know, for as little time asI spend on certain aspects, I've
spent a lot more time thanprobably a lot of other people
in my social circle, in your,you know, your average walk of
life type of thing, looking atthis stuff, going down those
rabbit holes that I wish I neverwent down, knowing things that
(39:47):
I, honestly would rather notknow.
And if I'm saying that, I canonly imagine what people like
you can say of the things thatyou've seen and read and saw
firsthand and know you know.
So, people who are so fullyunprepared for what's about to
be unleashed, um, they're like,you're right, they're not ready
(40:08):
for it, they're not ready for itand they're not going to handle
it well, but it has to be done.
It has to be done.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, and the things that are going to come out are I
do firmly believe the Epsteinlist is going to come out I
really do and I think it's goingto be unedited.
I think it's going to beunredacted.
I think you're going to see thenames on there that people
don't want to see.
I think that the Diddy List isgoing to come out, yes, and I
(40:35):
think all of those people aregoing to be exposed.
I think there's going to be asignificant outcry from those
social circles.
I think you're going to seeHollywood erupt.
There's going to be a lot ofbacklash on this, but I, you
know, what I hope is that theAmerican public believes what
(40:56):
comes out.
Yeah, this, this, you know,these are the things that it's
very easy to say oh, that's,that's a lie, and in reality,
what you've been fed is a liefor your entire life, like most
of us.
Right, I'm not, you know I'm.
I'm, you know not, kennedyassassination old, I'm 10 years
younger than that, but my entirelife.
(41:16):
Right, the government has stuckto the lone gunman, lee Harvey
Oswald, and nobody believes it,but we've never known for sure.
Right, we're going to knowright.
We are going to know.
We're going to know the gapsand seams and holes and screw
ups and security mistakes thatled to 9-11.
Yeah, that stuff is all goingto come out and there are going
(41:36):
to be people that are going tobe angry.
They're going to be angry atour government.
They're going to be angry atpeople that they had faith in
for many, many years and they'regoing to be exposed, and that
includes not just governmentofficials but the entertainment
industry as well, and thatincludes not just government
officials, but the entertainmentindustry as well.
(41:57):
There's a lot of garbage outthere that I am afraid people
are going to, they're not goingto be able to manage and handle,
and it's going to rock someworlds, it's going to shake some
people, but it's okay becauseit's the truth.
And this is where we need to beright now Not just now, but
this is where we should havebeen all along.
But this is what this countryneeds right now is to break all
this crap apart, throw it outthere and then just just move on
and rebuild from there.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you know, again, I feel badfor them because they have no
idea the storm that's coming,that's going to be unleashed,
but this, you know, in myopinion, this is the absolute,
only way that we can rebuildtrust in our government and
repair our system of governmentto what it was meant to be.
(42:36):
This is really like it's aquiet revolution Well, not
really quiet, but it's arevolution essentially and I
hesitate a little bit to usewords like that like a civil war
or a revolution, but honestly,this is really what it is.
It's just the modern dayversion of it, you know, and
it's done with information.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, it's not pitchforks and torches, it's not
a violent revolution, but thisis an information revolution and
, you know, a culturalrevolution that is about to
happen.
People need to preparethemselves for that because, but
I think the consistency needsto continue.
So, like Pete Hegseth, who I'venot been shy about this I don't
(43:18):
see him as the sec def, buthe's under a ton of scrutiny
right now, right, and I don'tthink his nomination is going to
last very long.
So, for those of you that thinkhe's the best thing since
sliced bread, I don't think he'sgetting there Very much like
Matt Gaetz didn't get there Verymuch like the head of the DEA.
That guy withdrew himself hisown nomination for a number of
(43:38):
good reasons, because once itcame out that he was a COVID
enforcer he was the guy walkingaround shutting down churches
and arresting people for prayingin public and all of those
things churches and arrestingpeople for praying in public and
all of those things Like thatguy was like nope, I'm out, and
he backed away.
So I think important forPresident Trump is to continue
to place people like TulsiGabbard, like, you know, kash
(44:01):
Patel, right, those who have a,you know, very clean background
in what they're doing into thesepositions, because what we
can't have is speculation thatthis is just a new generation
swamp.
We can't do that.
That's counterproductive.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I think the decisions thathave been made thus far, the
ones who've withdrawn themselves, and really great decisions and
really ones that I feel likeare actually showing, you know,
ironically actually show a truedevotion to you know what needs
to be done, the direction thatwe have to go in.
(44:37):
So definitely, kudos to them,to Matt Gates and that guy whose
name I can't even come up with,but kudos to both of them for
for, essentially, doing theright thing, you know, even if
it wasn't the thing that theywanted to do, but yeah, and even
if they could have done a lotof good in those positions.
Like you said, we need peoplewho are just kind of beyond
(44:57):
reproach right now, you know, inthose leadership positions
because you don't want to givethem anything.
You know you don't want to givethem anything to run with.
They're going to run with madeup stuff, no matter what.
You know we're not even talkingabout that, but don't give them
anything real to run with,basically, right.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Speaking of them, though, um, let's talk about the
uh, the anti-Trump governors.
Go ahead, clay, so the two bigones.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
There's a handful of them out there, right?
The two big ones are GavinNewsom and JB Pritzker,
California and Illinoisrespectively.
So these two have come out andsaid out loud and with some
definition that they are goingto Trump-proof their states.
All of these things thatPresident Trump is saying about
getting rid of sanctuary citiesand sanctuary states, and he's,
(45:47):
you know, mass deportations andall the things that President
Trump has, you know, ran on andpromised they are going to
Trump-proof their states to keepthe federal government out.
Well, interestingly enough,sidebar but relevant is that you
know, these are the people whovoted for big government and now
that big government is going tolean on them, they're like no,
no, no, that's state's rights.
(46:08):
Yeah, Okay, Shut the F up.
Right, you can't have it bothways, but both of these two have
there's already speculation.
They're both running forpresident in 2028.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Surprise, surprise yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
These are?
These are campaign moves, yes,right, but but really what they
are is, I think, in both cases,because if you go back to COVID,
these two governorsspecifically were two of the
biggest violators of their ownCOVID policies, let alone
federal COVID policies that werein place at the time.
You know JD Pritzker wasn'teven in Illinois for most of
(46:42):
COVID he was either in.
You know, his family is, youknow, huge into big pharma, like
they are, that's Like they'rethey are, that's where he's a
billionaire.
Um, and that's where the moneycomes from.
But, um, you know, he waseither at his, his ranch in
Florida or his farm in Wisconsin, because the animals had to be
tended to and all these otherthings.
So he was traveling and peoplewere supposed to be staying home
(47:05):
.
He was, you know.
And then we all know aboutNewsome and his dinner parties
and you know all the images backin the day of the servers all
standing there masked up, andyou know Newsom and all of his
friends sitting at these veryposh restaurants which were
closed, being served by them andor attempting to insulate their
States from you know whatpresident Trump is prepared to
(47:32):
do in the next two years andthen more so, the next four
years.
Right, but yeah, this is thisis the goal.
This is the new.
The new method against fightingagainst president Trump is to
turn States into islands.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, good luck with that is all I can say.
I don't know if I'm trying toremember.
Well, let's see, I know the,the one from Massachusetts made
some pretty bold.
So you know, the illegalimmigrants, statements on that
like we're not going to let them, not going to let them deport
anybody, ok.
And then there was somebodyelse that that are.
What's his name?
(48:04):
Holman?
No, is that his name?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well, he said that's the border guy Like yeah, yeah,
no, is that his name?
Well, he said that's the borderguy, like he's.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes, so he's the one that basically said.
I forgot who he said it to.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Regards to was Colorado's Denver.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yes, that's who it was, and he's like we agree on
one thing Right, you're willingto be locked up and I'm willing
to lock you up, so we agree onone thing Like, oh, this guy's
really growing on me, I'm, I'm,I'm digging them, and then
you've got the people that aretaking a hint.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, is a prime
example.
He has come back and saidlisten, we're not screwing
around, we're tired of this.
The people in New York aretired of this.
You know, he does look verywishy-washy and I wish it didn't
appear this way, but that's,that's reality.
I believe that there's still acop in him somewhere that he has
suppressed for the last coupleof years.
Now I think he feels emboldenedto come back out again.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Not that they bit him when he took a chomp, when he
got bitten there in the Exactly.
Yeah, I think that was at leastthe start of his wake-up call,
that he was like hang on asecond, no matter what I do,
you're going to come for me if Ido one thing that you don't
agree with, all right, I see howit is.
Yeah, you know, and I, I, I,yeah, I'm, I'm interested to see
(49:17):
, I'm willing to sit back andwatch and see if he develops at
all.
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
So you've got obviously Pritzker and and
Newsom.
I think you know keep an eye onNew York and keep an eye on
Michigan.
You know those are the placeswhere you're going to start to
see the most pushback.
But at the same time, you knowPresident Trump will do what he
does.
He will try to negotiate, hewill try and cut deals, he will
(49:45):
do those things and at the endof the day, what he will do is
withhold funding and you know hewill try to make it not impact
the residents of those states asmuch as he possibly can.
But in the end he's just goingto turn around and say that's
fine, if you want to be likethat, then you're not going to
get any federal funding and youcan figure it out on your own.
And it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
And that's the right tactic.
I think that's the best way tohandle it.
Go in with that velvet gloveand and give them the
opportunity, because that's whatthe people of those States need
to see, you know.
And if they don't want torecognize that, that's on them.
But?
But anyone who has is actuallypaying attention is going to say
hang on a second.
You're like this is the hillyou're going to die on, or
actually, this is the hillyou're going to make us die on
(50:23):
while you sit pretty?
I don't think so.
So it's all going to be veryinteresting to watch.
I don't think so.
So it's all going to be veryinteresting to watch, especially
which ones you know bend theknee, so to speak.
You know, after all their toughtalk, and which ones actually
hold hold strong to theirconvictions.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So I think you know, if President Trump plays this,
there's a way to play this, andI think what he does is he
preempts everything.
Yeah, I think what he does ishe comes, he stands in front of
the American public and he sayslisten, I'm going to go to
Illinois and I'm going to go toCalifornia, and I'm going to go
to New York and I'm going to goto Michigan and I'm going to
tell them this, and then they'regoing to come back and they're
going to tell me no.
(51:02):
And then I'm going to tell themthis and I'm going to offer
this, and they're going tocontinue to tell me no.
And just have them walk throughthe entire process and then go
and at the end of the day,they're still going to tell me
no.
So I want you all to know whatI'm putting on the table and
every offer to all of them onbehalf of all of you.
And they are the ones who aregoing to screw you over because
(51:22):
of their policies on illegalimmigrants, who are draining
your taxes, who are weighing onyou, who are taking your jobs,
et cetera, et cetera.
Just lay it all out therebefore it even happens, and then
just watch the fireworks whenit does, because that's kind of
you know, the city of Chicagowas really really big in and
around the DNC right, was reallyreally big in and around the
(51:43):
DNC right.
The nomination because that wasthe outrage within the city was
that the city had dumpedmillions and millions of dollars
into supporting illegalimmigrants and the people who
lived in the city were sufferingfor it.
Yeah, so if President Trump candemonstrate that to the
American public, especially inthose four or five states with
Democratic blue governors, Ithink he wins before he even
starts.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.
I think that's the best way togo about it again with the like
ultra, ultra transparency.
I'm going to tell youeverything that I plan on doing
and you know, and it's all outthere.
It's, it's going to be, oh,it's going to be so amazing
January 20th.
You know, I'm not usually onefor like saying things like I
(52:21):
want to speed time up.
You know, because as you getolder you definitely want to
slow time down.
But if I could, you know, justhave that genie in a bottle wish
of can we just speed up thenext?
How many days did you say itwas?
You said it before we came on,before January 20th.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
I was talking about Christmas, but I'll do the
Christmas.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Oh, that's right, that's right.
So, about 47 days.
Okay, just over a month.
Yeah, if we could just speed upthat timeframe, can we just
like do a little hop and get tothat?
You're just putting a wish outthere, you know.
I like to slow time Speaking ofChristmas right.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Three weeks from Christmas, three weeks from
today.
Again, we are recording on thefourth Wednesday, the fourth.
So we're three weeks fromChristmas, which means we've got
this week and a couple more.
We won't record on Christmasweek because, listen, elsa and I
love you guys, but we're notrecording this on Christmas Eve
and you're not watching it onChristmas day.
If you're watching this onChristmas day, you need to get a
life.
I'm sorry, go help the homeless.
(53:16):
We love you guys, go to a soupkitchen and feed, but in a
couple of weeks, on the 18th.
So mark down on your calendars,right?
So actually, I guess it will bethe 19th, yeah, 19th, yeah,
it'll be the 19th.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Whatever the Thursday is, whatever it is we'll.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
We'll announce the date, but it's either that
Wednesday or Thursday of thatweek, the week before Christmas,
and we asked each otherfavorite Christmas movies and
favorite Christmas memories andChristmas traditions and those
kinds of things, If you're adeep fan and you remember that
show.
It was a lot of fun.
(53:53):
We had a really, really goodtime.
So this year we're going to dosomething very similar, but
we're inviting all of you tojump in and be part of the fun.
So, like we did on electionnight, we'll do live.
We'll have the comments up onthe screen.
You guys can ask us questionswhich we will both answer, or
each of us will answer,depending on what the question
is, and we'll just have fun.
(54:14):
You guys can get to know us alittle bit better.
We will have some greatinteraction between hosts and
audience and it will be our lastlittle deal before Christmas.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (54:24):
I love it.
I'm so excited.
I hope you guys are excited forit too.
We're going to have so much fun.
That was really.
That was probably one of myfavorite episodes that we've
done because it was so casualand it was, it was just fun and
it was fun getting to know you.
Like I don't know what you guysknow of Clay and my
relationship, but here's a funnyfor you.
Know of Clay and myrelationship, but here's a funny
(54:45):
for you Clay and I have nevermet in person.
This is it.
I interviewed Clay.
For those of you who don't knowthe story, I'll tell you
extremely quickly.
Two years ago probably, Iinterviewed Clay.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Very close yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, so two-ish years ago I interviewed Clay on
the show for his book KeepMoving, keep Shooting, and we
talked about his book and it wasa great episode, love learning
about him and his book and allof that good stuff.
And then you know that was kindof that.
Then you know we both move onwith life doing the stuff and
things.
And then last year summer, likeI don't know, spring I think it
(55:18):
was.
Yeah, okay, so that's when youand I communicate.
So, like in the spring, Istarted thinking, you know what,
I'm kind of bored with myself.
I think I want, I think I wanta co-host.
And so I was kind offormulating this idea that I
wanted a co-host.
But who am I, who am I going toask to be my co-host?
People in my real life, as wecall it.
They're just, this isn't theirlane, this isn't the kind of
(55:47):
thing that they'd be interestedin.
And I'm like I don't know whoto ask.
I'm like, and then by thesummertime I was fully committed
that, all right, I'm going tofind a co-host.
And then, lo and behold, I getan email from Clay hey, how you
doing, just wanted to check backin.
If you're ever looking for, youknow, a guest to come back, I'd
love to come back on.
And I looked at the email and Ihe'd make a great co-host.
He's like we're so opposite butalso of the same mind.
You know, similar but opposite.
(56:10):
And he reminds me of my husband.
That same kind of personalityand of course I love my husband
Like I think he might be perfectand like this was all in the
way I do things, it was all in amatter of like five minutes of
reading the email, doing the hmm, and then going to, to, to, to,
to, to, clicking out that textor message email saying, hey,
good to hear from you, all'sgood.
Blah, blah, blah.
I want to be my co-host.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Nope, no like you know, responded back immediately
and said yes.
And so since last August 15, 16months ago, it's this, has been
it every, but have never met inperson, never met in person.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Never met in person.
So, yeah, so you know, we'restill like learning about each
other.
We're still, you know, gettingto know each other a little bit.
But we also like the coolestthing is we have such a natural,
easy rapport that like youcan't fake that.
You know you ever see any kindof co-host with anything and you
can tell it's so stiff andawkward and uncomfortable and
(57:03):
they're like they don't reallylike each other or anything.
We like each other.
It's cool, absolutely, it'sgood.
So you know and, moreimportantly, you know, we really
like you.
We like you, we really do.
Isn't there an actress that did?
a speech with that.
Yeah, you like me, you reallylike you, and we would
absolutely love for you to joinus in that live show and and
(57:23):
throw your questions in andcomments and all that stuff and
we will have an absolute blast.
And of course we'll remind youabout it over the next couple of
weeks so that you know we canhave a nice big group in here
and it'll be so much fun.
So I'll just say I hope you allhad a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Mine was lovely, clay said hiswas lovely and we're I'm excited
for Christmas, cause you knowwell it's it's not even about
(57:44):
Christmas, but hanging out withthe grand babies.
So I'm excited for that.
But yeah, and in the meantimewe're going to have so much
stuff for you guys.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
You know that we will never stops.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
It never stops.
Clay, you go ahead.
Give them the final words.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Hey folks, as always, we we enjoy this.
We we appreciate you all tuningin every week and I know that
you know the days of Kamala arenumbered, but anyway, we love
having you and this is great forus and we hope it's great for
you guys.
And you know, looking forwardto the next couple of weeks all
the way up to Christmas, anduntil then, as always from me,
keep moving and keep shooting.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
Take care guys no-transcript.
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The one thing he knows for sureis that if he wants to stay
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Hey what's happening.
Clay how you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm good you did it again with the banner.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Oh, come on, man Drives me nuts.
I'm going to gonna stop doingit.
I'm really going again foreverybody out there.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Proof positive it's me and elsa, like that's it,
there's no production staff.
There's nothing, it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Listen, I'm even doing like technical adjustments
as as we're on like I don'tcare.
I don't care, you get theamateur hour here.
That that's what's going on.
Listen, it's so amateur hourover here, not over there, just
right here that as our intro isplaying, I still didn't take the
banner off.
What the heck man Gosh I've gotno excuses, I could make a
(01:02):
hundred of them Clay.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's all good.
That's why people love you.
It's a genuine thing.
This is what we do here and, toanswer your question, I'm good.
Thanksgiving is over, we aremoving on to Christmas, but you
know, the political traindoesn't stop and we've got some
big, big stuff.
Obviously, we're going to talkHunter, we're going to talk Kash
Patel and some other thingsright after this yes, indeed
(01:39):
it's, it's literally.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
It's such amateur hour on this side of the table
I'm like spilling water onmyself.
I sent a text to my husband, soI was out of the house and I
came home with about 12 minutesto spare to get downstairs into
my studio and do the show and dothe things and slap on a little
(02:03):
more lipstick, all that stuff,stuff.
Clay knows, you know no,nothing about, uh, the dramas we
have to go through to get readyfor things, and I, I didn't let
the dogs out.
So there's a chance that youknow we could hear the dogs
barking.
But I texted my husband and Isaid can you put the dogs out?
And I fired it off so quicklythat I didn't read it and I just
(02:24):
glanced as the music is playing, our intro and I see that I had
, you know, auto corrected tofood.
So it's a can you put the foodout?
To which, of course, heresponded what food?
What are you talking about?
Welcome to my life Y'all anyhow.
Anyhow, much bigger, moreimportant things, and you
already know what it is.
(02:45):
What we're talking about, guys,this guy Kidding me, clay,
nobody's surprised, right?
I mean right off the bat, nomatter how many times we heard
this.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Come on, I'm sorry, son Hunter.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
I want to make sure that that is not going to change
over the next six months, thepresident's saying it's still a
no, it's still a no, it's stilla no, it's still a no, it will
be a no, it is a no and I don'thave anything else to add.
Will he pardon his son?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
No, Hmm, say what now ?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Yeah, and it's, it's everywhere, it's.
He said it, she said it, it'sbeen said on multiple.
All of the networks, right, allthe state run media, you know
CNN, msnbc, they all.
They've been saying it for ayear.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yep, not going to happen, not going to happen, not
going to happen.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
And none of us believed that.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
No, no, not at all.
I think the part that I guess,if we want to call anything
shocking I don't think shockingis the word, Disgusting is
probably the word Like we knewhe would pardon him.
I never really even thoughtabout the scope of that pardon
(04:01):
and it's a big, giant, blanketpardon that goes from.
What was it like?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
2016 until December 1st.
It's 2014 to December 1st of2024.
So it's 10 plus almost 11 years.
And so, of course, that begsthe question why?
Why back that far?
Why 2014?
And it's all there.
So it's when you know his uh,hunter's employment with Burisma
started it's dealings withChina president.
(04:25):
He was then vice presidentBiden, you know, and, and et
cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
So 2014 is not an accident, youknow, and I know.
I know what the statement says.
For those of you that haven'tread it you know the statement
says that you know Hunter, youknow this essentially wouldn't
have happened if his last namewasn't Biden.
There's a miscarriage ofjustice.
(04:45):
The Justice Department, whichis the Biden Justice Department,
stepped over the line andpersecuted him and attacked him
and blah, blah, blah.
So crimes that he has committedand been found guilty of he is
now pardoned for and any othercrimes within that 10-year
(05:06):
period.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Insane.
So, crimes that we know aboutand crimes that we don't know
about Correct Anything.
Anything he may or may not havedone.
That is correct.
I don't understand how that'seven possible that he was able
to do this.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So four years ago if you go back, and all of the cast
of characters Rachel Maddow,you know, I think Morning Joe
and all the rest of them werejust freaking out because there
was an anticipation, a guess,that President Trump was going
to preemptively pardon ivanka,the two boys and giuliani plus
(05:48):
jared kushner, um, preemptivelypardon them of any crimes, uh,
committed.
I and they never really put abookend on it, but the
assumption was during hisadministration.
So everybody freaked out.
Now, do it?
Did they do it?
No, were any of theminvestigated or prosecuted
(06:08):
beyond associated with hisinvestigations, with the
exception of Giuliani, who'sstill in a legal battle.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
No, none of the kids, nor Jared, were investigated.
There were no crimes to beinvestigated, but they freaked
out, assuming he was going to dothat.
And here we sit, four yearslater with President Biden doing
exactly what they werelambasting Trump for which he
hadn't done.
They just assumed he was goingto do.
And now what are they saying?
Well, it's okay.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Yeah Well, it's okay, it's different, it's different.
It's not the same thing, it'sdifferent.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
There has been, from both sides, a lot of scrutiny on
this.
But those people specificallythere has been, from both sides,
a lot of scrutiny on this.
But those people specificallyMaddow and them that were all
over President Trump speculatingyeah, I haven't said a word.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, well, there's, you know.
And then we have this beautifulmontage of the name of the
creator is in the corner and Ican't remember it was like
Shadow Phantom, I think it is.
But put together this beautifulmontage of you know the
hypocrisy here it is, no one isabove the law.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Nobody is above the law.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
No one is above the law.
No one is above the law.
Nobody is above the law.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No one is above the law.
No one is above the law, no oneis above the law.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
No one is above the law.
No one is above the law.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No one is above the law, no one is above the law no
one is above the law.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I mean, nobody is above the law unless your name
is Hunter Biden, right?
Yeah, it's crazy.
And there was even I saw this.
I saw this other thing, it wasthis morning a judge, I think a
judge was criticizing the date.
You know that he put, whateverthe date, well, december 1st, I
(08:01):
guess.
So it was.
I guess there was like someambiguity in putting that date.
That essentially what it meantwas like he can, he can, he can
commit any crime all the way upand through the state.
So if he committed a crime ondecember 1st, you know, at uh,
11 59 pm, it's okay, he gets apass on it.
So like it covered, like in away, future crimes to a degree
(08:24):
for or short period of time, butyeah so I but you know, I'm
sure Hunter didn't takeadvantage of any of that
whatsoever.
He's such an upstanding fellownow.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah it.
So the tenure window obviouslyis, is an issue, but the you
know the things he got absolved,pardoned for.
And so I've had a couple ofpeople come at me on social
media and say, well, you knowPresident Trump, you know pardon
so and so let's, let's makesure we understand terms.
(08:56):
Right, commuting a sentence isone thing.
Ok, if President Biden hadcommuted Hunter's sentence
before it was even issued to him, he would still remain guilty
of those felonies.
He would just serve no jailtime.
Right, which presidents commutesentences?
They pardon people.
It happens at the end of everyadministration all the time.
Right, right, let's?
Let's be clear, when we talkabout this, of what was done.
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He was absolved, pardoned foranything and everything in that
10 year window he was absolvedpardoned for anything and
everything in that 10 yearwindow.
That has one.
A couple of federal judges outthere are are pretty upset about
this because, one, it sets abad precedent.
Um.
Two, it it offers no recoursefor any potential violent crimes
(09:41):
or anything else that's foundout.
But also, this is rewritinghistory.
Those are the terms that arebeing used, rewriting history.
A federal judge said that todayor yesterday.
By the way, for our audience,it's Wednesday, it's.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Wednesday guys Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
A little after 4 pm Eastern time, but there's some
interesting things that havecome out of this.
Legal minds I am not one umhave come up with some, some
very interesting pieces in this.
So with 10 years of pardon,right, hunter can no longer be
prosecuted.
So therefore his ability toplead the fifth amendment in a
(10:22):
trial against anyone else ispotentially gone.
Fifth Amendment right Protectyourself against
self-incrimination.
He can't be prosecuted.
So if he did something illegalin those 10 years, he can't
protect himself from beingprosecuted because he can't be
prosecuted.
So therefore he cannot claimthe Fifth Amendment.
(10:44):
That's what's being interpretedright now, how this plays out.
Now what does that mean to theBiden crime family?
And it means a lot.
The first thing we can allexpect is more pardons.
Joe's brother is going to get apass, dr Jill is probably going
to get a pass.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Of course he's just going to write them all a big
blanket pass.
He's going to get a pass, right.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
But this is going to come to the point of can he
write himself a pardon Becausehe's involved with this?
The expectation of lettingHunter off the hook for those 10
years is that it absolves Bidenas well, but it doesn't.
So you know, the legal mindsout there are now again asking
the question of can a presidentpardon himself, when four years
(11:26):
ago it was a question of isTrump going to do it?
And even four months ago therewere people asking the very same
question about president Trumpat the end of this presidency.
Now I think we're going to getthe question answered with
president Biden because he isgoing to, I would say, be forced
, but there has definitely gotto be some consideration about
who else now gets a pardon,because Hunter's Fifth Amendment
(11:50):
rights are now null and void,because they don't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right, oh boy.
So this feels like it's kind ofa dumb question, but I'm going
to ask it anyway.
Is there any circumstance wherea future president can undo
like once, once, no, like that'sdone, like, even if they found,
you know, discovered that, ordetermined, not discovered, they
(12:16):
determined that these types ofpardons are just like illegal.
You can't do it.
What's done is done and it'llapply only to future.
Like there's gotta be.
I mean, this has to bereassessed.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Now there's no question that there has to be a
reassessment.
Yeah, I think what, what?
What you're asking is a validquestion.
In other words, like if it wentto the Supreme court and the
Supreme court made a legaldetermination that these types
of pardons illegal, then wouldthat go back and reverse this
pardon on Hunter?
And the answer is I have noidea.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
I have no idea.
I mean part of me likeinstinctively says no, it
probably will apply to allfuture.
So I, oh my God, the rage, thequiet rage that we should all be
feeling about this, and I'lltell you, and I don't know.
So here's what we knowconcretely.
So he issued a full andunconditional pardon.
(13:13):
It covers any federal offensesthat he committed or might have
committed.
I guess I should say from thedates that we said let's see.
So we're talking aboutgun-related charges, tax evasion
and there's a few other.
There was something else too, Ithought, and I can't find what
it is, but those are the twoones that have been talked about
(13:35):
the most.
What's not really talked aboutmuch at all is all of the other
things that were on his laptop,and it is vile, like that's
probably the kindest, mostgentle word that I could come up
with to describe the images.
(13:57):
So we somebody on X, and I'msure it's more than one person,
but I just happened to see thisone particular video post of
somebody who had actual accessto this.
I mean, it's basically a book,it's like that.
It's like probably about thisthick and and he is flipping
through this, you know, seriesof documents, documentation and
(14:20):
it's with images and text andall of those things and the
images.
Now we've seen some of theimages.
Obviously Clay and I decidedthat we are not going to.
We discussed it at lengthbefore we started on whether or
not we were going to show thisparticular video.
Are not going to.
We discussed it at length beforewe started on whether or not we
were going to show thisparticular video and we agreed
pretty solidly that it was justnot.
It's just not appropriate, it'sunnecessary.
If you want to see it, it's outthere.
(14:42):
Just go on X, you'll be able tofind it, no problem.
But what I'll tell you is it'sdisturbing, it's disgusting.
There's so much questionablethings happening on there that
and it's not even just theexplicit content, it's the, also
the um, uh, the dealings withukraine and all of this other
(15:03):
stuff like it's all in there andthere's going to be no justice,
nothing, nothing, nothing.
This scum of the earth really Imean, he's truly a repugnant
excuse, for a human being isgoing to walk free and it's just
horrifying to me.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Let me make sure I understand this is the laptop.
That was not right.
That was the Russiandisinformation right.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, the hoax.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
You know, the thing that didn't exist, the one that
had nothing to do with the lastelection cycle.
That one.
Yeah, that one, yeah that one soyeah, so the gun charges are
related to a lot of things,including his drug use he did
(15:50):
also, just for those of you thataren't tracking all this he
lied on the application form,which is a federal offense.
He was in possession of a gunas a you know as a drug user,
right, which is a federaloffense.
He was in possession of a gunas a you know as a drug user,
right, which is a federaloffense.
He ditched the gun in a schooldumpster, right, which is
horrific.
Anyway, there's the tax evasionthing, but there's also oh, by
the way, all of thosephotographs that were not
showing is proof of humantrafficking, right?
(16:11):
This guy bought sex fromhookers, right Prostitutes,
which is human traffickingcharges.
Now, you're right when it is afederal pardon, because that's
what the president can give.
The question is are there anyunfounded state criminal charges
out there that can be leviedagainst Hunter?
And I can tell you thatprobably there's a couple of
(16:33):
state's attorneys out there whoare Hunter, and I can tell you
that probably there's a coupleof state's attorneys out there
who are now digging.
I can tell you it's nothappening in the state of
Delaware, it's not happening inplaces like Pennsylvania or New
York or New Jersey.
Those are blue islands for themost part, that he's not going
to get prosecuted in.
He's not going to getprosecuted in, especially not
(16:56):
Delaware, which is where most ofthis happened.
So while there's potentialthere for state prosecution,
because this is a federal pardon, the chances are pretty slim.
The other thing is the legalityof the document itself.
So, the president, I think mostof us have seen the statement.
If you haven't, it's out there,it's on White house letterhead.
(17:18):
It was.
You know, what was provided tothese federal courts that are
prosecuting where the trials arehappening or have happened, for
Hunter was provided to them wasa link, not not a document, not
a pardon document with a, youknow, validated signature by the
president, but a, a, Astatement that was put out.
It's not a valid pardon.
Now, will that be corrected bythe White House, you know,
(17:38):
attorney general's office,whatever, I'm sure most quickly.
But again, it's just the waythis whole thing has been done.
You know it's sketchy as allget out.
Now here's a question for you.
I'm interested in your opinionon this.
We know President Biden isbasically an invalid right.
Yes, do you really think thiswas him cognitive, like
(18:00):
conscious decision, or do youthink this was a Dr Jill
influence?
Or do you think that this waslike a White House chief of
staff or even a what's hisbrother's name, bill?
Yeah, I think it's Bill.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
I don't know, it's a family influence thing?
Speaker 3 (18:15):
or do you really think that President Biden had
the marbles to think throughthis on his own?
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah.
So I highly doubt that he hasthe capacity to understand
what's going on in any givenmoment of the day.
He's probably got a couplelucid moments here and there.
They trot him out for somethingwhen he's, you know, relatively
coherent, but overall it's got.
It has to be a Biden crimefamily, the syndications you
(18:42):
know doing and all becausethey're obviously, you know, the
most obvious thing is thatthey're protecting themselves.
You know, because Hunter is aloose cannon.
He is an absolute mess.
He's a guy who, you know, losttrack of a laptop with
incredibly damning informationon it.
He is reckless, he's dangerousin every possible way, you know,
(19:02):
and I'm sure he's a spiteful,miserable little twerp too.
So you know, this is probablyhim having leverage, saying like
I know everything, you know whoknows what I might say when I'm
all coked up.
I don't know, you don't know,we'll see.
I mean so many possibilities, Ithink, and all of them are
believable and all of them areabsolutely disgusting, like
(19:24):
they're just the most disgustingpeople that have ever.
I hope that President Trump andFirst Lady Melania go in with
like caseloads of Lysol anddisinfectant to just purge that
White House of their existence,Like I want them to just clear
(19:45):
it out.
Get all of the filth and grimeof that family the heck out of
there.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah, you're going to see a big tent over the white
house to have it fumigated.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
They're going to have to on the way out.
Oh, and speaking of that, didyou see?
Oh, my gosh, as we're talking,I got to pull it up.
Let's see if I can find it.
I hope I can.
Did you see the latestdecorations and I use that term
very, very lightly Um, I don'tknow if I have any, I'll just
add it in after.
That's all the decorations thatDr Jill put up for.
(20:19):
Oh, so, another circus theme,surprise, surprise, which I
think she did, similar like lastyear or maybe the year before,
or something Very likeincredibly gaudy, tacky, gross,
so ugly and disgusting.
And I I along with so manyother people saw those pictures
and were like, oh my God,melania cannot get in there fast
enough.
Like, please bring class backto the white house and bring
(20:43):
back.
I don't know if you remember, Idon't even I believe it or not,
I don't even pay that muchattention to these things, but I
just happen to remember likeher Christmas decorations were.
It was so elegant, the whitelights and the rows of trees,
and it was so beautiful.
And I think, as a side note, Ithink there was, like you know,
an aid of hers or an assistantlike release some video.
You know, some spiteful womanreleased some video of her
(21:04):
basically like complaining abouthaving to do the decorations
and everything which, by the way, I don't actually blame her for
complaining about that Likethere's so many important things
that she probably you knowthere's a woman with a pretty
high intellect, she speaks abunch of languages and you know
she's getting relegated to, youknow, hanging some lights and
for photo ops like, please, youcan do many more things than
that, but whatever, that's aside note.
(21:27):
Yeah, oh, so gross, like justeverything about these people.
I, you know, I know it's reallyhard to tell how I feel.
I really, I really hold it in,hide my feelings, but you know,
suffice to say I don't like themand I can't wait till they're
gone.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
So you know.
The question is it's just adifferent approach the legality
of this.
So if he is not mentallycapable which has already been
declared, if you remember righthe can't stand trial because
he's not mentally capable, right, then is this pardon legal.
He can't stand trial becausehe's not mentally capable, right
, then is this pardon legal?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It shouldn't be.
I mean, you know it shouldn'tbe and I hope, like do you think
, do you think the Trumpadministration will pursue it?
I guess that would be the nextlevel.
Like will it be worth theirwhile to pursue it?
Speaker 3 (22:27):
No, I don't think they will.
I think there's a lot of peoplethat want them to.
You know, I know there's a lotof people that want them to.
And it begs another question,which we'll talk about in just a
second.
But but like I don't think thathe is going to try and flip
this, I don't think they'regoing to.
I don't think the attorneygeneral's office is going to
challenge the legality.
I don't think that they aregoing to try and go after Hunter
(22:48):
.
I don't.
I think that a lot of it isgoing to be handled in a
different way, in the sense of,like you know, all the Ukraine
dealings that are on the laptopthat obviously Hunter was
involved in, and Burisma and allof this other stuff, right, the
way that that gets handled isnot by going back after Hunter
and not by flipping over hisimmunity or any of the rest of
that stuff.
The way that's handled is welook at NATO and we say that's a
(23:11):
you problem and we back out.
Right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Handle it that way.
The China thing Right, becausethat's also part of this.
That's handled another way,right.
Most of like, president Trumpdoesn't give a crap about Hunter
going to jail for gun charges.
He doesn't.
Right what he wants to makesure in front of America and go.
I told you that's the big, moresatisfaction out of that than
(23:38):
anything else.
But so here is that the otherquestion, because this is, a lot
of people have brought up theJanuary 6th, right, so I've seen
it, and I've seen it in a bunchof places where people are like
, oh, including if I want to.
If I'm right, even Dan Crenshawhas said some things.
Bunch of places where peopleare like, oh, including if I
want to.
If I'm right, even Dan Crenshawhas said some things like this,
but it's like, oh well, allthis does is tell President
(23:59):
Trump that it's OK to you know,pardon all the J6 people on day
one Should they pursue Hunter.
Do you think that PresidentTrump will, or should, pardon
flat pardon all the J6 folks assoon as he gets into office?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
What do you think?
Yes, and yes, I mean, I thinkhe should and I think he will,
and I truly, I honestly, wouldbe very disappointed if he
didn't, wouldn't love him anyless.
I would trust that there aresome reason behind it, but I
fully expect that he will, thatthey will be released and, and
you know, the left will have tosit there and suck on it because
you got nothing to say.
They're going to, they're goingto say whatever they're going
to say, no matter what.
(24:43):
But all you can do is just kindof laugh in their faces and and
rile them up even more byreminding them that we are, we
are the journalists.
Now.
You're not.
You know, we are the news, notyou.
We are the ones that are thecitizens, are dictating what
happens now, not you losers withyour agendas and your nonsense
and all that stuff.
(25:04):
But yeah, I mean absolutely theyshould be, especially with the
thousands of hours of footage.
That is not fast enough, butslowly getting leaked out.
And you're seeing all this.
You know most of us on thisside of things have been seeing
these videos for you know, thisentire time.
It's not actually new to us,but now it's getting more
(25:25):
exposure.
You know when you, when you seeCapitol Police officers moving
the barricades and lettingpeople through and opening the
doors and the you know thepeople just walking through,
taking pictures, strollingthrough, staying within the
ropes.
You know all of these things.
Yeah, you know it should be.
It should be a no brainer thatthat's what happens, but we'll
see.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
So I'm going to take a little bit of a different tack
.
I think what he should do is,on day one, charge them or
release them one or the otherright, just like you would in
any other criminal process.
Charge them or release them,period, because if they're going
to charge them, they've got topresent evidence.
Right, and if they're going totry them they have to present
(26:08):
evidence.
So, in a way, right, this couldturn into a complete exposure
of the FBI, which we all knowwas involved with this, of Nancy
Pelosi, who we know was part ofthis right, and all of the
Democratic leadership.
You know hell, you couldprobably reach far enough where
you could drag General Milleyinto this, which they probably
(26:28):
should.
So, I think there is an optionthere where he says, okay, I'm
going to step in, you know,charge him or release him.
Maybe not necessarily issue apardon, but turn this into a you
know, house arrest, or releasedon their recognizance and then
force the justice department toshow every bit of evidence
(26:52):
unsuppressed and then expose thecorruption that led up to
everything that happened thatday.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Very interesting tactic.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Now I think if he does what you said and he does
do the blanket pardon, leteverybody go.
Let's get this over with.
For a long time you're going tohear a lot of people complain
and they're going to say it'sunjust, and it's going to be a
lot of these other things.
But on the flip side, as soonas you press any of those people
the Nancy Pelosi's of the worldand Chuck Schumer and all the
rest of these and you say, well,that that's fine, we can go
(27:21):
back and we can just pull allthe film footage, we can just
show it, we can show it in frontof Congress if you want, and
then they'll all shut up.
But I think there's potentialfor you know, in the same sense
of all of his appointments.
You know everybody that he'sputting on, you know, into the
cabinet and into these keypositions to shake things up.
I think J6, you know, and thefabrication of all of it, can be
(27:45):
used to expose a lot of thecorruption under the Biden
administration.
And oh, not even just the Bidenadministration, because we all
know J6 happened under PresidentTrump.
But the you know the moles andthe operatives and the you know
everybody that was working forNancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer
and General Milley and everybodyelse, and how they played a
role in this.
So there's potential there todo that, and I just don't know
(28:09):
how long it would take and howmuch of a disruption it would be
, although these people havebeen sitting in jail for four
years.
So, you know, released on yourrecognizance to come back to a
trial where you're going to getexonerated anyway.
I don't think it would botherthem too much.
And then oh, by the way, theyall deserve a settlement from
the federal government.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Every one of those people deserves a settlement
from the federal government anda lot of money.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Yeah, a lot of money.
No question about it, noquestion about that, that is for
sure.
Oh, my goodness, yeah, you know.
I mean, I think for meeverything comes back to.
You know, weighing these twoemotions kind of put the thought
in my head that you know, tohyper-focus on Hunter and, well,
(28:55):
the whole Biden crime familyand Pelosi, and you know all of
them, and all of the illegalstuff and probably treasonous
stuff that they, they absolutelydid, Um, and is it worth the
time and energy and distractionthat it'll cause, when all of
the focus can be put on the plan, make America great again and
(29:17):
do all of the things and justessentially erase them?
And I don't know that thevengeance side of me has a hard
time of just saying that's OK,just let them go, Let them go.
They, you know, they wreakedhavoc on on this country for
years and in many cases decades.
But you know we're just goingto move past that.
(29:40):
I don't, I'm not, I don't thinkI'm a big enough person to do
that.
I'm trying to be my goodChristian self.
But that makes it hard to thinkabout these people who have, you
know, robbed us blind at thevery least, and then they're
going to get away with it.
That's a hard pill to swallow,but you know, the flip side of
that is there is so much workthat has to be done and you know
(30:02):
, I don't know, I don't know.
Is it worth having all of ouryou know, not all of our, but
our resources being directed atthat?
You know, I don't know, I don'tknow what the answer is.
I would like to see somethinghappen.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
So I would propose a, an outside of the government
Warren type commission to dothis like forget the prosecution
.
The goal is not to prosecuteanyone.
Listen, president Biden doesn'thave, although I I'll to be
honest with you.
I, four years ago, I thought hewould have been dead by now
anyway.
But you know his, his lifeexpectancy is short and I would
(30:33):
tell you that Nancy Pelosi'sprobably isn't much longer
behind him.
So, really, what you're, thepeople that you're going to find
are the most guilty in this aregoing to serve the least amount
of punishment.
So the important thing, I think,for America is accountability
and and knowing the truth.
So I think we would probablygain as much or more from a true
(30:54):
fact-finding commission thatcomes out, they examine the
laptop, they dig through thebank records, they dig through
the communications.
They have access.
President Trump gives them 100%access to everything.
And they come out and they saylisten, the Clintons did this,
the Bidens did this, obama didthis, you know so, and so did.
It doesn't matter, you couldlist them all out.
(31:15):
Yeah and go.
Listen, we're not going toprosecute anybody, but we're
going to tell you this isexactly what happened.
And you know America, you canhandle it.
However, you see, you know youcan.
Their legacies are that arewhat they are, but here's the
truth and just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
And you know what?
And I think that's exactly whytwo of those big names that he
has nominated, I think that'sexactly why he picked them Pam
Bondi and, of course, kash Patel.
They are ready to clean houseand I've got this great clip and
I'll be honest.
(31:50):
So, so I'm sure, and rightly so, people probably assume that I
spend a lot of time perusingnews and I'm watching all these
shows and podcasts and I knowwho all of the people, all of
the players are.
I really don't.
I really don't I.
You do that's, that's your job.
I like I learn about just whatI need to know, and then I go
(32:11):
into my happy, happy bubble andI read my Bible and I live a
very, very focused life wherethis stuff is actually only
allowed to be a very small partof it.
So you'll have to forgive methat I really didn't know much
at all about Kash Patel, and themore I learned about him, the
more I like him.
So here's this.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I'd break that component out of it.
I'd shut down the FBI Hooverbuilding on day one and
reopening the next day as amuseum of the deep state, and I
take the 7000 employees thatwork in that building and send
them across America to chasedown criminals.
Go be cops, you're cops, go becops.
What do you need 7000 peoplethere for?
Same thing with with DOJ.
What are all these people doinghere?
Looking for the next governmentpromotion, looking for the next
fancy government title, lookingfor their parachute out of
government.
So while you're bringing in theright people, you also have to
shrink government.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Ah, hmm, it brings me joy.
It brings me joy.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yes, for those out there who are like Elsa and are
not familiar with Kash Patel.
So you know, born to.
You know his parents are notborn in America, they're both
Indian, made their way herethrough East Africa to Canada to
here.
Kosh was born here in America.
He's a naturalized Americancitizen, or a natural born
(33:21):
American citizen.
He's a lawyer, worked first jobMiami-Dade as a defendant and,
if those of you who don't knowMiami-Dade, that is one of the
worst crime counties in theUnited States a defense attorney
and then got hired to be afederal prosecutor and then
worked his way up and worked inthe Trump administration in a
number of various positionsoutside of just the law.
(33:44):
He worked in intelligence.
He worked for the DNI for awhile and then worked Justice
Department liaison to the JointSpecial Operations Command for
prosecution of internationalterrorists, did some
counterterrorism.
You know legal work and someother things.
He's very, very well-rounded inthe intelligence and law
(34:07):
enforcement world.
In fact there was somespeculation that he could.
If he didn't, if he wasn'tgoing to get FBI, he might've
gotten CIA.
But this guy is is no jokingaround.
He is going to be, I think,more so than anybody else.
He's going to be the hammer,like he is going to be the guy
that comes in and crushes soulsand breaks apart old you know
(34:28):
networks and all of these otherthings.
He is going to be the guy thatcomes in and crushes souls and
breaks apart old networks andall of these other things.
He is going to walk into theFBI as a not FBI guy.
Right, he's going to break somestuff on day one and it's going
to be a good thing.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
It's going to be a phenomenal thing.
I mean, you think about, youknow him in particular, and you
know basically everyone thatTrump has has appointed or
nominated.
They aren't beholden to anyone,to anyone, and it is so
exciting to know that thatthey're not in anyone's pocket
(35:12):
the nonsense and the noise andthey're stating their intentions
so boldly and so loudly that ifthey don't do what they say
they're going to do, they're out, they're gone.
Like I don't think you knowTrump is going to be as loyal as
you give him reason to be andyou know so.
I think all of these peoplethat are coming in, they are
truly the real deal, and ifthey're not, they're gone.
They're gone, that's it, and hewill find somebody else to do
the job that he needs to havedone.
(35:34):
It's going to be.
This is going to be the likesof which, in our lifetimes,
we've never seen.
Like it's going to beincredible.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, this is going to be across the board and this
is absolutely president Trump'sintent is.
This is going to be breakingthe system right.
This, more than everything hetried to do in the first four
years.
This is draining the swamp.
That's what this is.
This is breaking it apart.
This is going to be arenaissance and rebuilding, I
think, of our government in thenext four years, specifically in
(36:03):
the next two years, becausehe's bringing in people like
Kash Patel, who is not an FBIguy, who is not beholden to the
bureau, who doesn't caretruthfully about the way we've
always done things Right, and heis not afraid to say things out
loud that make people raisetheir eyebrows.
I saw an interview with himwhere, I'm trying to remember,
(36:25):
he was sitting with two or threedifferent people and they were
talking to him, and he looked atme and he said well, you're
talking to the guy who has readthe entire Warren commission
report and oh, by the way, hasalso read the seven pages that
are unreleased to the publicfrom the nine 11 commission.
This guy knows everything, heknows the things, so he knows
all the dirty little secrets andhe wants those released.
(36:46):
He does want them released.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
So there's certain things.
He said something, I saw thatsame thing and he said something
about you know, some things arethat that are classified,
should remain classified, and Itrust his judgment on it, but
overall, much of that should bereleased to us, the people,
because we deserve to know.
And you know, this is what Iwant to see from our government.
This is what is supposed tohave been happening all along.
(37:13):
It's about us and this is thefirst, you know, in my lifetime.
This is the first governmentbody that's coming in and saying
exactly that you know not justwell, we know what's best for
you, we know what you need,don't worry about you know no
transparency between him and theattorney general, you're going
(37:34):
to start to see a very, verydifferent look to DOJ.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
You know, with him heading up the FBI, you're going
to start seeing a significantcrackdown on a lot of domestic
network issues, and when I saynetworks, I'm talking domestic
terrorism, terrorism that hasinvaded the United States here
on US soil, organized crimegangs.
You're going to see massivemovement on this stuff.
(38:01):
Now, I know what he says aboutthe Hoover building and clearing
those 7,000 people out of there.
It's a good thing and Iunderstand his intent, but he
also knows in his heart ofhearts there's a number of
people that have to remain therefor the Bureau to function.
Oh sure, Right, Right, I think,like everything else, right,
Like like Elon and Vivek aregoing to do for the next couple
(38:22):
of years they are going to trimall the fat Yep, he's got to cut
away all the dead weight, Go bea cop.
And if you don't want to be acop, then you need to go away.
Right, and I think his youthand his energy, I think, are
going to be significant.
I also am very interested tosee now, with Tulsi Gabbard as
the DNI right and the FBIcontributing to that effort
(38:44):
along with the new attorneygeneral right, who you mentioned
right this, the and I hate thisword, but the synergy of all of
this has the potential attorneygeneral right, who you
mentioned right this, the and Ihate this word, but the synergy
of all of this has the potentialto really, really really rock
some stuff and break things tothe point where people need to
brace themselves for theinformation that is going to
come out of this.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Yeah, it's, it's.
It's going to break a lot ofbrains.
It really is, and there's apart of me that feels a little
bit badly for those people.
You know, your average Joes andyour average Janes in the world
that have, you know, had theirheads in the sand or just simply
have been living their life anddon't really know anything.
(39:25):
You know, I do spend more thanenough time.
You know, for as little time asI spend on certain aspects, I've
spent a lot more time thanprobably a lot of other people
in my social circle, in your,you know, your average walk of
life type of thing, looking atthis stuff, going down those
rabbit holes that I wish I neverwent down, knowing things that
(39:47):
I, honestly would rather notknow.
And if I'm saying that, I canonly imagine what people like
you can say of the things thatyou've seen and read and saw
firsthand and know you know.
So, people who are so fullyunprepared for what's about to
be unleashed, um, they're like,you're right, they're not ready
(40:08):
for it, they're not ready for itand they're not going to handle
it well, but it has to be done.
It has to be done.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Yeah, and the things that are going to come out are I
do firmly believe the Epsteinlist is going to come out I
really do and I think it's goingto be unedited.
I think it's going to beunredacted.
I think you're going to see thenames on there that people
don't want to see.
I think that the Diddy List isgoing to come out, yes, and I
(40:35):
think all of those people aregoing to be exposed.
I think there's going to be asignificant outcry from those
social circles.
I think you're going to seeHollywood erupt.
There's going to be a lot ofbacklash on this, but I, you
know, what I hope is that theAmerican public believes what
(40:56):
comes out.
Yeah, this, this, you know,these are the things that it's
very easy to say oh, that's,that's a lie, and in reality,
what you've been fed is a liefor your entire life, like most
of us.
Right, I'm not, you know I'm.
I'm, you know not, kennedyassassination old, I'm 10 years
younger than that, but my entirelife.
(41:16):
Right, the government has stuckto the lone gunman, lee Harvey
Oswald, and nobody believes it,but we've never known for sure.
Right, we're going to knowright.
We are going to know.
We're going to know the gapsand seams and holes and screw
ups and security mistakes thatled to 9-11.
Yeah, that stuff is all goingto come out and there are going
(41:36):
to be people that are going tobe angry.
They're going to be angry atour government.
They're going to be angry atpeople that they had faith in
for many, many years and they'regoing to be exposed, and that
includes not just governmentofficials but the entertainment
industry as well, and thatincludes not just government
officials, but the entertainmentindustry as well.
(41:57):
There's a lot of garbage outthere that I am afraid people
are going to, they're not goingto be able to manage and handle,
and it's going to rock someworlds, it's going to shake some
people, but it's okay becauseit's the truth.
And this is where we need to beright now Not just now, but
this is where we should havebeen all along.
But this is what this countryneeds right now is to break all
this crap apart, throw it outthere and then just just move on
and rebuild from there.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And you know, again, I feel badfor them because they have no
idea the storm that's coming,that's going to be unleashed,
but this, you know, in myopinion, this is the absolute,
only way that we can rebuildtrust in our government and
repair our system of governmentto what it was meant to be.
(42:36):
This is really like it's aquiet revolution Well, not
really quiet, but it's arevolution essentially and I
hesitate a little bit to usewords like that like a civil war
or a revolution, but honestly,this is really what it is.
It's just the modern dayversion of it, you know, and
it's done with information.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, it's not pitchforks and torches, it's not
a violent revolution, but thisis an information revolution and
, you know, a culturalrevolution that is about to
happen.
People need to preparethemselves for that because, but
I think the consistency needsto continue.
So, like Pete Hegseth, who I'venot been shy about this I don't
(43:18):
see him as the sec def, buthe's under a ton of scrutiny
right now, right, and I don'tthink his nomination is going to
last very long.
So, for those of you that thinkhe's the best thing since
sliced bread, I don't think he'sgetting there Very much like
Matt Gaetz didn't get there Verymuch like the head of the DEA.
That guy withdrew himself hisown nomination for a number of
(43:38):
good reasons, because once itcame out that he was a COVID
enforcer he was the guy walkingaround shutting down churches
and arresting people for prayingin public and all of those
things churches and arrestingpeople for praying in public and
all of those things Like thatguy was like nope, I'm out, and
he backed away.
So I think important forPresident Trump is to continue
to place people like TulsiGabbard, like, you know, kash
(44:01):
Patel, right, those who have a,you know, very clean background
in what they're doing into thesepositions, because what we
can't have is speculation thatthis is just a new generation
swamp.
We can't do that.
That's counterproductive.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
And I think the decisions thathave been made thus far, the
ones who've withdrawn themselves, and really great decisions and
really ones that I feel likeare actually showing, you know,
ironically actually show a truedevotion to you know what needs
to be done, the direction thatwe have to go in.
(44:37):
So definitely, kudos to them,to Matt Gates and that guy whose
name I can't even come up with,but kudos to both of them for
for, essentially, doing theright thing, you know, even if
it wasn't the thing that theywanted to do, but yeah, and even
if they could have done a lotof good in those positions.
Like you said, we need peoplewho are just kind of beyond
(44:57):
reproach right now, you know, inthose leadership positions
because you don't want to givethem anything.
You know you don't want to givethem anything to run with.
They're going to run with madeup stuff, no matter what.
You know we're not even talkingabout that, but don't give them
anything real to run with,basically, right.
Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Speaking of them, though, um, let's talk about the
uh, the anti-Trump governors.
Go ahead, clay, so the two bigones.
Speaker 3 (45:24):
There's a handful of them out there, right?
The two big ones are GavinNewsom and JB Pritzker,
California and Illinoisrespectively.
So these two have come out andsaid out loud and with some
definition that they are goingto Trump-proof their states.
All of these things thatPresident Trump is saying about
getting rid of sanctuary citiesand sanctuary states, and he's,
(45:47):
you know, mass deportations andall the things that President
Trump has, you know, ran on andpromised they are going to
Trump-proof their states to keepthe federal government out.
Well, interestingly enough,sidebar but relevant is that you
know, these are the people whovoted for big government and now
that big government is going tolean on them, they're like no,
no, no, that's state's rights.
(46:08):
Yeah, Okay, Shut the F up.
Right, you can't have it bothways, but both of these two have
there's already speculation.
They're both running forpresident in 2028.
Speaker 2 (46:19):
Surprise, surprise yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:20):
These are?
These are campaign moves, yes,right, but but really what they
are is, I think, in both cases,because if you go back to COVID,
these two governorsspecifically were two of the
biggest violators of their ownCOVID policies, let alone
federal COVID policies that werein place at the time.
You know JD Pritzker wasn'teven in Illinois for most of
(46:42):
COVID he was either in.
You know, his family is, youknow, huge into big pharma, like
they are, that's Like they'rethey are, that's where he's a
billionaire.
Um, and that's where the moneycomes from.
But, um, you know, he waseither at his, his ranch in
Florida or his farm in Wisconsin, because the animals had to be
tended to and all these otherthings.
So he was traveling and peoplewere supposed to be staying home
(47:05):
.
He was, you know.
And then we all know aboutNewsome and his dinner parties
and you know all the images backin the day of the servers all
standing there masked up, andyou know Newsom and all of his
friends sitting at these veryposh restaurants which were
closed, being served by them andor attempting to insulate their
States from you know whatpresident Trump is prepared to
(47:32):
do in the next two years andthen more so, the next four
years.
Right, but yeah, this is thisis the goal.
This is the new.
The new method against fightingagainst president Trump is to
turn States into islands.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Yeah, yeah, good luck with that is all I can say.
I don't know if I'm trying toremember.
Well, let's see, I know the,the one from Massachusetts made
some pretty bold.
So you know, the illegalimmigrants, statements on that
like we're not going to let them, not going to let them deport
anybody, ok.
And then there was somebodyelse that that are.
What's his name?
(48:04):
Holman?
No, is that his name?
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Well, he said that's the border guy Like yeah, yeah,
no, is that his name?
Well, he said that's the borderguy, like he's.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
Yes, so he's the one that basically said.
I forgot who he said it to.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
Regards to was Colorado's Denver.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
Yes, that's who it was, and he's like we agree on
one thing Right, you're willingto be locked up and I'm willing
to lock you up, so we agree onone thing Like, oh, this guy's
really growing on me, I'm, I'm,I'm digging them, and then
you've got the people that aretaking a hint.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Eric Adams, the mayor of New York City, is a prime
example.
He has come back and saidlisten, we're not screwing
around, we're tired of this.
The people in New York aretired of this.
You know, he does look verywishy-washy and I wish it didn't
appear this way, but that's,that's reality.
I believe that there's still acop in him somewhere that he has
suppressed for the last coupleof years.
Now I think he feels emboldenedto come back out again.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Not that they bit him when he took a chomp, when he
got bitten there in the Exactly.
Yeah, I think that was at leastthe start of his wake-up call,
that he was like hang on asecond, no matter what I do,
you're going to come for me if Ido one thing that you don't
agree with, all right, I see howit is.
Yeah, you know, and I, I, I,yeah, I'm, I'm interested to see
(49:17):
, I'm willing to sit back andwatch and see if he develops at
all.
But yeah.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
So you've got obviously Pritzker and and
Newsom.
I think you know keep an eye onNew York and keep an eye on
Michigan.
You know those are the placeswhere you're going to start to
see the most pushback.
But at the same time, you knowPresident Trump will do what he
does.
He will try to negotiate, hewill try and cut deals, he will
(49:45):
do those things and at the endof the day, what he will do is
withhold funding and you know hewill try to make it not impact
the residents of those states asmuch as he possibly can.
But in the end he's just goingto turn around and say that's
fine, if you want to be likethat, then you're not going to
get any federal funding and youcan figure it out on your own.
And it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
And that's the right tactic.
I think that's the best way tohandle it.
Go in with that velvet gloveand and give them the
opportunity, because that's whatthe people of those States need
to see, you know.
And if they don't want torecognize that, that's on them.
But?
But anyone who has is actuallypaying attention is going to say
hang on a second.
You're like this is the hillyou're going to die on, or
actually, this is the hillyou're going to make us die on
(50:23):
while you sit pretty?
I don't think so.
So it's all going to be veryinteresting to watch.
I don't think so.
So it's all going to be veryinteresting to watch, especially
which ones you know bend theknee, so to speak.
You know, after all their toughtalk, and which ones actually
hold hold strong to theirconvictions.
Speaker 3 (50:42):
So I think you know, if President Trump plays this,
there's a way to play this, andI think what he does is he
preempts everything.
Yeah, I think what he does ishe comes, he stands in front of
the American public and he sayslisten, I'm going to go to
Illinois and I'm going to go toCalifornia, and I'm going to go
to New York and I'm going to goto Michigan and I'm going to
tell them this, and then they'regoing to come back and they're
going to tell me no.
(51:02):
And then I'm going to tell themthis and I'm going to offer
this, and they're going tocontinue to tell me no.
And just have them walk throughthe entire process and then go
and at the end of the day,they're still going to tell me
no.
So I want you all to know whatI'm putting on the table and
every offer to all of them onbehalf of all of you.
And they are the ones who aregoing to screw you over because
(51:22):
of their policies on illegalimmigrants, who are draining
your taxes, who are weighing onyou, who are taking your jobs,
et cetera, et cetera.
Just lay it all out therebefore it even happens, and then
just watch the fireworks whenit does, because that's kind of
you know, the city of Chicagowas really really big in and
around the DNC right, was reallyreally big in and around the
(51:43):
DNC right.
The nomination because that wasthe outrage within the city was
that the city had dumpedmillions and millions of dollars
into supporting illegalimmigrants and the people who
lived in the city were sufferingfor it.
Yeah, so if President Trump candemonstrate that to the
American public, especially inthose four or five states with
Democratic blue governors, Ithink he wins before he even
starts.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.
I think that's the best way togo about it again with the like
ultra, ultra transparency.
I'm going to tell youeverything that I plan on doing
and you know, and it's all outthere.
It's, it's going to be, oh,it's going to be so amazing
January 20th.
You know, I'm not usually onefor like saying things like I
(52:21):
want to speed time up.
You know, because as you getolder you definitely want to
slow time down.
But if I could, you know, justhave that genie in a bottle wish
of can we just speed up thenext?
How many days did you say itwas?
You said it before we came on,before January 20th.
Speaker 3 (52:35):
I was talking about Christmas, but I'll do the
Christmas.
Speaker 2 (52:37):
Oh, that's right, that's right.
So, about 47 days.
Okay, just over a month.
Yeah, if we could just speed upthat timeframe, can we just
like do a little hop and get tothat?
You're just putting a wish outthere, you know.
I like to slow time Speaking ofChristmas right.
Speaker 3 (52:54):
Three weeks from Christmas, three weeks from
today.
Again, we are recording on thefourth Wednesday, the fourth.
So we're three weeks fromChristmas, which means we've got
this week and a couple more.
We won't record on Christmasweek because, listen, elsa and I
love you guys, but we're notrecording this on Christmas Eve
and you're not watching it onChristmas day.
If you're watching this onChristmas day, you need to get a
life.
I'm sorry, go help the homeless.
(53:16):
We love you guys, go to a soupkitchen and feed, but in a
couple of weeks, on the 18th.
So mark down on your calendars,right?
So actually, I guess it will bethe 19th, yeah, 19th, yeah,
it'll be the 19th.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Whatever the Thursday is, whatever it is we'll.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
We'll announce the date, but it's either that
Wednesday or Thursday of thatweek, the week before Christmas,
and we asked each otherfavorite Christmas movies and
favorite Christmas memories andChristmas traditions and those
kinds of things, If you're adeep fan and you remember that
show.
It was a lot of fun.
(53:53):
We had a really, really goodtime.
So this year we're going to dosomething very similar, but
we're inviting all of you tojump in and be part of the fun.
So, like we did on electionnight, we'll do live.
We'll have the comments up onthe screen.
You guys can ask us questionswhich we will both answer, or
each of us will answer,depending on what the question
is, and we'll just have fun.
(54:14):
You guys can get to know us alittle bit better.
We will have some greatinteraction between hosts and
audience and it will be our lastlittle deal before Christmas.
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (54:24):
I love it.
I'm so excited.
I hope you guys are excited forit too.
We're going to have so much fun.
That was really.
That was probably one of myfavorite episodes that we've
done because it was so casualand it was, it was just fun and
it was fun getting to know you.
Like I don't know what you guysknow of Clay and my
relationship, but here's a funnyfor you.
Know of Clay and myrelationship, but here's a funny
(54:45):
for you Clay and I have nevermet in person.
This is it.
I interviewed Clay.
For those of you who don't knowthe story, I'll tell you
extremely quickly.
Two years ago probably, Iinterviewed Clay.
Speaker 3 (54:56):
Very close yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, so two-ish years ago I interviewed Clay on
the show for his book KeepMoving, keep Shooting, and we
talked about his book and it wasa great episode, love learning
about him and his book and allof that good stuff.
And then you know that was kindof that.
Then you know we both move onwith life doing the stuff and
things.
And then last year summer, likeI don't know, spring I think it
(55:18):
was.
Yeah, okay, so that's when youand I communicate.
So, like in the spring, Istarted thinking, you know what,
I'm kind of bored with myself.
I think I want, I think I wanta co-host.
And so I was kind offormulating this idea that I
wanted a co-host.
But who am I, who am I going toask to be my co-host?
People in my real life, as wecall it.
They're just, this isn't theirlane, this isn't the kind of
(55:47):
thing that they'd be interestedin.
And I'm like I don't know whoto ask.
I'm like, and then by thesummertime I was fully committed
that, all right, I'm going tofind a co-host.
And then, lo and behold, I getan email from Clay hey, how you
doing, just wanted to check backin.
If you're ever looking for, youknow, a guest to come back, I'd
love to come back on.
And I looked at the email and Ihe'd make a great co-host.
He's like we're so opposite butalso of the same mind.
You know, similar but opposite.
(56:10):
And he reminds me of my husband.
That same kind of personalityand of course I love my husband
Like I think he might be perfectand like this was all in the
way I do things, it was all in amatter of like five minutes of
reading the email, doing the hmm, and then going to, to, to, to,
to, to, clicking out that textor message email saying, hey,
good to hear from you, all'sgood.
Blah, blah, blah.
I want to be my co-host.
Speaker 3 (56:30):
Nope, no like you know, responded back immediately
and said yes.
And so since last August 15, 16months ago, it's this, has been
it every, but have never met inperson, never met in person.
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Never met in person.
So, yeah, so you know, we'restill like learning about each
other.
We're still, you know, gettingto know each other a little bit.
But we also like the coolestthing is we have such a natural,
easy rapport that like youcan't fake that.
You know you ever see any kindof co-host with anything and you
can tell it's so stiff andawkward and uncomfortable and
(57:03):
they're like they don't reallylike each other or anything.
We like each other.
It's cool, absolutely, it'sgood.
So you know and, moreimportantly, you know, we really
like you.
We like you, we really do.
Isn't there an actress that did?
a speech with that.
Yeah, you like me, you reallylike you, and we would
absolutely love for you to joinus in that live show and and
(57:23):
throw your questions in andcomments and all that stuff and
we will have an absolute blast.
And of course we'll remind youabout it over the next couple of
weeks so that you know we canhave a nice big group in here
and it'll be so much fun.
So I'll just say I hope you allhad a wonderful Thanksgiving.
Mine was lovely, clay said hiswas lovely and we're I'm excited
for Christmas, cause you knowwell it's it's not even about
(57:44):
Christmas, but hanging out withthe grand babies.
So I'm excited for that.
But yeah, and in the meantimewe're going to have so much
stuff for you guys.
Speaker 3 (57:53):
You know that we will never stops.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
It never stops.
Clay, you go ahead.
Give them the final words.
Speaker 3 (57:57):
Hey folks, as always, we we enjoy this.
We we appreciate you all tuningin every week and I know that
you know the days of Kamala arenumbered, but anyway, we love
having you and this is great forus and we hope it's great for
you guys.
And you know, looking forwardto the next couple of weeks all
the way up to Christmas, anduntil then, as always from me,
keep moving and keep shooting.
Speaker 2 (58:19):
Take care guys no-transcript.
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