Gabriel (2007) - Part Two: The Untapped Potential of Purgatory and the Powerful Character Arcs of Gabriel and Michael. - The Fandom Portals Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
welcome to the fandom portals podcast, the podcast
that explores how fandoms canhelp you learn and grow.
Guys, we are back.
I'm here with brash.
How are you going, brash?
I am very well yourself.
I am awesome.
I am very, very good.
All right, this is part two ofour gabriel episode.
So if you haven't listened topart one, it is in our list.
Make sure you go and check itout.
Uh, in that episode, we talkedall about how they made this

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movie on such a minuscule budgetand we also went to our fandom
fact face off where we told yousome very awesome information
about the uh, some of the castand some of the production
techniques of these.
So in this episode, uh, we'reactually going to be talking
pretty in depth about thecharacters of gabriel and also
the character of samuel andmichael.
We're going to be looking at ourreal deal segments and we're
going to be finishing off withour mvts, where we tell you our

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most valuable takeaway from themovie of gabriel, a movie that
is indeed a battle between thearchangels and the fallen in the
realm called Purgatory.
It stars Gabriel, who actuallycomes down to save the city's
souls and the inhabitants fromthe darkness.
That is the fallen's rule.
All right, brash, without anyfurther ado, let's jump into our

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Popcorn Perspectives segment.
All right, everybody.
The Popcorn Perspectivessegment is where the hosts take
the characters from the mediaand analyze their development
and growth through the movie.
We express to our co-host howthis character should be viewed
in your opinion and themeaningful connections that that
character makes in terms of itscharacter arc.

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So we're looking at twocharacters today, brash.
We're looking at Gabriel, thetitle character, and we're
looking at Samuel slash, michael, and we might take a look at
Gabriel first.
He is played by Andy Whitfield,and you like Andy Whitfield,
don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I do, I do.
I've watched all of or mostpeople have probably known him
from Spartacus, blood and Sand.
I've watched pretty much all ofthat.
It also has Lucy Lawless andother things.
Xena, xena, my warrior princess.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Tell me you grew up in the 90s at that time.
Tell me you grew up in the 90s.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
All right, xena and Hercules, love them, power
couple.
And then when they crossed over, but we digress, digress, we
digress.
Yeah.
So Andy, phenomenal actor, evenwell, he was kind of quick
acting until he got the role ofGabriel.
So we could have never had AndyWhitfield as Spartacus if it

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wasn't for Gabriel.
So everyone who loves Andy inSpartacus, get down on your
knees and thank you toAustralian film thank you to
Australian film for giving Andythe role of Gabriel.
Very good, yeah, but yes, Idon't know.
Unfortunately he's no longerwith us couldn't quite finish.
Spartacus unfortunately passedaway from cancer, which is a

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bitch.
I've had a few family membersdie of cancer as well, so it was
tough and rough and the factthat it shows his and probably
why, as we said in the firstepisode, the dedication that the
cast and the crew like took onthis movie.
He drew Spartacus, pretty muchthe whole of Spartacus.

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Well sick, he had cancer at onehe threw.
Spartacus, pretty much the wholeof Spartacus Sick, yeah, sick.
He had cancer at one point,then a sort of rhythmic
recession, then it came backagain, but through the whole
time he was fighting an illnesswhile fighting in the sand.
So then, this shows thededication of all the people in
Gabriel as well, the fact thatthey are willing to just push

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through the tough times to getthrough and finish the project.
This will probably go a littlefurther on to my MVP, probably
later on, the dedication, butalso the faith that everyone had
in the movie itself.
But I digress again.
Yeah, andy Gabriel, probablyone of my favourite archangels,

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I.
I love his portrayal in thisbecause he, throughout the whole
time movie like for the mostpart of the movie he is this, he
almost, he's almost like um,this wide-eyed foal, like baby
deer yeah, he's just he's likejust in a new land, in new land,
new land, learning to be ahuman for the first time.
He's just like goes up and he'slike and he portrays that sort

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of heavenly hope.
He's always like.
They're like oh, hide yourlight.
He's like don't, brother, showyour light, we are archangels.
And they're like no, they'llsend you and kill you.
He's and they're like maybethey'll censure and kill you.
He's like let them try.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
He's just so positive and like he's righteous, isn't
he?

Speaker 2 (04:47):
he's got that sort of righteousness and it's also
that younger brother, sort ofsort of pep.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, it's almost like that impulsive innocence of
ignorance where you've got theMichael, where he's all like
he's jaded and been here for along time.
He's the older brother yeah,then you got Lucifer who's like
the renegade misfit.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
And then you got the younger brother.
Who's the?
Come on, guys, we got thisthat's exactly what Gabriel's
like, yeah and for the most partof the movie that's exactly
what he's like yeah, he's alwayswilling to help, always trying
to pep everyone up and he's like, oh, we can band together.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Yeah, that's exactly what he tries to do at the start
of the movie.
Hey, he falls from grace, comesdown to this purgatory realm
with the mission to try and savethe inhabitants of purgatory
from the fallen who have takenover the realm.
When he gets there, he startsto learn a lot about the fact
that.
Well, he starts to learn a lotabout being human.
You know, uriel actually has totell him you're going to get
hungry, don't forget to eat.

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And apparently there was lotsof scenes that were cut out that
showed Gabriel really justgetting used to his human form.
Fun fact, the movie originallycut was three hours long but
they had to reduce it to a twohour sort of run time for their
audience.
But it cut away a lot of thosescenes it showed a lot of scenes
of.
It gave more context to gabrielcoming down and his innocence

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and him learning to be in thepurgatory space perfect for a
show yeah, it gave a lot of likecontext to that purgatory space
.
He obviously came down andstarted looking for for allies
in this, which shows hiseagerness, and he was basically
trying to enlist, wasn't he?
Because because uriel was there, he was um looking for.
You know, rafael was, wasmissing at this time, ethereal,

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it was clear the darkness hadtaken over, he might need some
help absolutely, and you know,the whole whole place was just a
desolate, dystopian land and hecame down and he sort of
started to wonder why all hisbrothers had previously failed
in the mission that they weresent down to do and that sort of
perplexed him and that was thatinteraction with Uriel and that
that's what really got me intothe movie, that interaction with

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Uriel where he's, he's talkingto his, his brother, who is
defeated, downtrodden andbasically refusing to help
because he thought it was a lostcause, and then Gabriel's still
going on even after that to toactually want to fight this
fight.
Um, I want to talk to youbecause maybe you can shed some
light on this for me about oneof the more interesting parts of
this movie for me was he hadhis fall and then he obviously

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started to be in purgatory for along time, uriel having warned
him that this realm will infecthim and he'll start to obviously
feel things that the people ofthis plane feel and it may
corrupt him.
And we actually see a scenewhere he's battling as modius,
where you can see his eyeschange from that vibrant angelic
blue to like a brownie gold,which indicates sort of a fallen

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, sort of uh complex which weknow from this movie, that um
samuel michael was obviously hadtransitioned into a fallen as
well, and he starts to make thatchange too.
So I was wondering if you couldtalk to me about, like, his
fall there and how that kind ofimpacted him, because he did
start as we talked about as thatreally sort of.
He was the one who reallywanted to push that mission.

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He really wanted to save thesepeople in purgatory.
He wanted to recruit all hisbrothers to do so, and then the
darkness started happening tohim where he kind of lost all of
his brothers in the explosion.
The Fallen started to comeafter.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Lilith taking out Uriel.
But the thing is well, and tobe fair, it was his fault.
So he tried rallying thesetroops that weren't really ready
for a fight or not reallywilling to fight, and he brought
them in and said, come on,let's fight.
And they were all like well,Raphael was injured, Ethereal

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was in hiding.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Ethereal was hiding In the soup kitchen.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
In the soup kitchen.
Yeah, he was looking afterRaphael and just trying to do
what he can by running a soupkitchen.
But that's the most he waswilling to put out running a
soup kitchen but that's the mosthe was willing to put out.
He completely gave up on anysort of fighting.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Jade had been humiliated too.
Amatiel.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
She humiliated and lost her wings so she could
realistically no longer evenfight on the same level as
anyone else.
Uriel had completely shuthimself off, cut himself off
from the Anjo power and was outon the outskirts hiding so that
no one would ever realisticallybe able to find him.

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He would just stay out thereforever and not interact with
anyone, only going in, probablyto get supplies.

Speaker 1 (09:18):
And then I guess that kind of guilt that he felt and
then obviously the rage afterthat that he goes through starts
to become a bit of a problem,because he he starts to see and
have this challenge of identity,I guess you could say, because
he always did see himself asthat righteous individual, one
that would follow the mission.
He came down to do somethingvery important and he almost
kind of failed in that.

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So I guess he he then went andbattled as modius in, uh, his
realm.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I think I know you're getting that.
I think I know you're gettingthat.
I think I know you're comingtowards.
This is probably the mostsimilar part to the crow.
So in the crow, when he umkills bum boy and the mother's
there and he heals the motherand that sort of brings him back
from this complete destructivepath he was on.
Same thing happens with Gabriel, with Asmodeus.

(10:05):
Yeah, he fights Asmodeus.
He's pretty much killed nearlyeveryone else except for Lillith
yeah, and he fights us.
But yeah, he's a brutal with ashotgun.
I really enjoyed this fightscene.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I reckon it's the best fight scene in the movie.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think this one trumps the climax, this one and
their first one, and the firstone, I reckon, was pretty good
too, with Moloch, yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
With the knives, yeah .

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Where it's really close-knit and they're just like
pretty much.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
They use silhouette really well in that fight too
yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
And it's pretty much like a fight like you see in the
Matrix where, like, neo andAgent Smith are just sitting
like basically just face-to-faceand they're just throwing
punches but they're doing reallyquick movements and that's.
I really enjoy that.
But yeah, it's the Asmodeusfight.
It's probably one of myfavorite fights.
Then afterwards he sees thewoman who I don't know if you
knew this, but Asmodeus becauseit doesn't really say it in the

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movie.
But Asmodeus because he's likethe lust and all that kind of
stuff, but he loves himself somuch he was actually trying to
change that woman into him ohthat, yeah, that blonde woman.
He's trying to reconfigure herto make her look like him, so
she'd be a mirror image ofhimself.
So, yeah, that's the thing.

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And when gabriel sees that, hisgrace pretty much uses nearly
all of his power to revert herback to how she originally was,
yeah, uh, that sort of rekindlesthe fact that, yeah, he's not
like, yes, he's brothers andsisters and all that might have
perished, but he's there to helppeople, not hurt people.

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And I think him healing her andfixing what was done to her by
Asmodeus sort of rekindles hisreason for being there and
brings him back to his.
I'm here to help.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
That is my purpose because, yeah, I definitely
think he does lose his purposein that moment of trauma where
he loses all of his brothers,but then in that fight scene as
well, there was also the momentwhere he turns and sees the
young child and then the, theother woman, uh, that he spares
as well, so that the directorsand filmmakers are really trying
to say, in this world ofabsolute corruption, and he does
feel this anger and thisresentment, but he still has a

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line that he won't cross, likehe still has this thing that is
good about him and he has amission and a purpose that he's
very much enlightened to.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, well, he's true , because when he turns and puts
a gun at the kid and he seesthe fear in the kid's eyes and
it's like, he's like and seesthe um, she plays a pretty um,
naomi Orment.
She plays Candy, who's thewoman he finds out where Jade

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went, yeah, yeah, and then sherocks up again.
But she is actually the firstperson who actually was
semi-decent.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah in a way, yeah, in the purgatory realm.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
In the purgatory realm, yeah yeah, she's because
everyone else he's met so farbeen sort of scum sort of things
.
But then it's her and thoughshe's like, oh, I can't give
away her location, blah, blah,blah.
She's probably like the firstperson that's actually just been
sort of relatively not likenormal, like unlike Alan Flower,

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I think it is who plays Jakes.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
He's the bouncer at the front of the thing, who's
just a CD man, cd drug dealing,yeah but yeah, he turns around
and puts a gun on a kid.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Kid's scared and he sees the fear in the kid's eyes
and realizes I'm scaring aninnocent, he's innocent and I'm
scaring him.
That's not what I'm here to do.
And then kills the other, killsthe Asmodeus girl, and finds
his purpose again.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
And I think that sort of leads him into the, to the
climax, where he then goes andfaces samayal and we might talk
a little bit about samayal andmichael and then we'll sort of
talk about the, the climax,because I have some questions
for you about the climax that Idon't really that I want some
clarity on.
So so when we're talking aboutmichael and samayal obviously
played by duane stevenson, he'sone of the higher ranking angels
who ends up becoming a fallen.

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He has his own internalconflict about the heaven and
hell sort of situation inPurgatory.
He's very aware of the stakesthat are involved in this sort
of cosmic space and he'sactually like he ends up killing
the Ark, samael and taking hisplace.
So Michael ends up killingSamael and then Michael takes
his place and becomes Samael andthe leader of the fallen and

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that's the big twist in theclimax for everybody, his most
pivotal moment.
He's a very sort of highranking and commanding presence,
as we talked about for DwayneStevenson.
He's this person that has thisability and power to command all
of his forces around.
But he always seems to have thissoft spot for Gabriel
throughout.
He always sort of doesn't wanthim and that's a through line

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through the whole movie, youknow, and it's almost like a
foreshadowing of the event thatwas to come.
Like he never really wants hisfallen brothers to hurt Gabriel,
he does go out to hurt theothers, but he doesn't sort of
hurt Gabriel because Michaelloved Gabriel the most.
Yeah, he could feel himselfturning in this moment and

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that's where we see in the loftat the very start, when Gabriel
goes and finds Michael'sbelongings, finds the note
slipped in the mirror.
He actually sees Michael givinghis belongings to Gabriel.
So he still has that internalhope inside him that somebody
can get the job done.
It's almost like he gave up andhe knows that it can't be him,
because he's felt thatcorruption, that corruption of
purgatory, has leaked into hisbeing and made him become what

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he is now becoming.
With that in mind, you know hedoes this.
We'll talk about the climax.
Now we move into this fightscene between Gabriel and
Michael, where Gabriel realizesthat Samuel is in fact Michael
and they end up fighting eachother and killing one another.
Basically, Say my name.
Yeah, say it.
That's probably the worst pieceof dialogue in the whole movie,

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just by the way.
That whole sort of emotionalsequence.
I couldn't get behind that.
But the twist was good.
I liked that twist.
Gabriel and Michael sort offight each other and end up
killing one another and thenMichael ends up offering a last
sort of moment of grace where heheals Gabriel and it's almost
like he's trying to move beyondhis own mistake or he's you know

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.
It's like a call to balancewhere he knows that there is
this massive amount of darknessin the world.
So he uses his last littlepiece of light and grace to heal
that corruption in the last waythat he can.
I also thought that it probablycould have been a way for
michael to stop gabriel fromfully succumbing to that
darkness that he know he hadtasted before and then you know

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he, he obviously loved him andit was that selfless act of love
as well and that sacrifice.
So I think michael goes throughthis transition, or Samuel goes
through this transition wherehe's feeling hopelessness in a
very bad sort of situation, buthe knows that the right way is
to bring the light back.
He just wasn't able to do ithimself.
So he empowered Gabriel to doit and I think when I first

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watched that, when he healedGabriel, I was a little bit
confused about why he did that.
But upon thinking about it Ithink it definitely was the fact
that that lighter side of himwas already always there which
makes him probably a reallycompelling character.
For me.
It's a really sort ofredemptive act and I think he
has this moment of clarity andthis healing and he really helps

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Gabriel to understand his placein this battle just through
that act of healing him.
It brings this sense of hopebecause it says, okay, the light
can still come back andGabriel's the one that's able to
do it.
And it shows you that sort ofredemption is always possible,
because he was as fallen as youcould really get in the
situation that he was in.
It kind of puts that area ofgray into the black and white of

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it all.
And my question for you, Iguess, is in regards going back
to Gabriel After this sort ofhappens, and after Michael slash
Samuel heals him, he makes thechoice then to go and throw
himself off a building and Iguess I didn't really get that.
I don't know why he kind of didthat.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
So thought of all, I believe, is because if he hadn't
, he would have been taken backup by the lights, and then the
process starts again.
Darkness sends more darkness,fire sends more light.
The war continues.
The war continues.
Okay, he decided.

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And because when they go backup, they forget.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Oh yeah, because he said that to Jade, didn't he?
This would be the last time Isee you and I won't remember our
time together, yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Yeah, they forget.
So if he went to go back up tolight he would have forgotten
cycle would continue.
So he wanted to and this is whyI think that the um and
courtesy and credit scene, thefact that they cut that out from
australian cinema which Ithought was weird I think it was
in the american one that wasn'tin the australian one cutting
it out, I think really ruined atthe end I believe so too,

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because, for context, everybodyin the end, michael sorry, not
Michael Gabriel throws himselfoff of the building to
essentially end the cycle.
Light shines upon the city again.
Jade is standing in a window ofthe loft and in comes Gabriel.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Yeah and yeah.
That's the end credit scenewhere Gabriel comes in.
He's almost in human form notattoos, no piercing angelic
eyes and I actually think thatending would have been better,
in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, technically it's still the ending, it's just
that they didn't have it in theAustralian season, like when it
came out in Australia.
They didn't have it in theAustralian one for some reason,
I don't know why, because itwould have made a lot more sense
.
Because he's deciding to stayin purgatory so he can continue
to do good and help people andtherefore trying to break that

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cycle of having a war happen inthe streets all the time.
Perpetuate, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I also think this might tip into my MVT a little
bit, but I also think that hewas the way I sort of made sense
of his sacrifice at the end,without the end credit scene.
Where he came back was he wasfearful of the darkness that lay
within him.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So him seeing that he was susceptible to that fall
and basically eliminatinghimself from the equation, being
like I don't want, because if Istay here and I succumb and I
fall, then that's bringingdarkness back into this realm
that is now already light andruining basically all the
sacrifice that had occurred tomake it happen this way.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
The fact that they don't have that end credits is
what makes that confusing,because him killing himself, yes
, he wouldn't go back to thelight and he would just destroy
his body and his soul forever,but then that wouldn't
accomplish anything in the longrun, because then an award would
just happen with him there.
If they were to send anyoneelse out, he could potentially

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guide them, help them andcontinue to have the lights win,
because he's been through itall, he's done it all and now
he's just there to help and heremembers it all.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
See, that would have been good too, because then he
would act as that mentorcharacter.
And Shane Abus actually talkedabout this being a franchisable
movie where there could be twoextra sequels.
So if any other angels camedown in different forms and
different human bodies, the onesthat had been previously killed
, because that battle wouldcontinue, then Gabriel would be
there to say help Raphael in hisnew body or Uriel in his new

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body to become the new bringerof light.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
Unfortunately, they wouldn't be able to because
they're dead.
I thought that they could.
No, so if an angel is is is todie in purgatory, their souls
are sent to the void to beendlessly destroyed.
So it would be one of the othercountless fucking angels that
they've got, and one of theother countless demons.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, so does that mean the end, like the end
credit scene with gay, withGabriel, if he was to die after
he fell off that building?
Maybe that's why they took outthe end credits scene, because
it didn't make sense to the lawthat they had continuing To
start with.
He shouldn't have been able tocome back in that manner.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's more a symbol like of him falling from grace
and losing his wings.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Same way that Jade did Same way Jade did.
That was a symbolic fall fromgrace, as opposed to he
literally hurled himself over abuilding Become fully mortal.
See these sorts of things Ireally feel like and wish would
have been explained a little bitbetter through the climax.
Because on the face of it itreally just looked like.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Michael and Samuel were fighting.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
He heals him just to jump off the building.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
He heals him, just to then have him throw himself off
the building.
I think that realization thathappens between Gabriel really
needs to be a little bit moredeveloped for us as audience
members to get it.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, just that scene of him walking back through
that door as a mortal, it wouldbe in enough context for most
people to get oh, he fell fromgrace to become mortal, boom,
that's the end.
Oh shit, there's going to bemore no-transcript, because if
demons come up because he's nowimmortal, they won't know that
he was an angel that he can beunder like.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
If a demon that would bring a whole new challenge and
a whole different sort oftension.
Point to the movie where he'strying to fight these fallen and
he's depowered.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
Yeah, that would be, yeah but the thing is he can
stay straight to the angel likewhere he can try and find that
angel, because they come downlike shooting but duh.
So he just needs to keeplooking out for that.
But when they, like an angel,gets there, if he can get to
that angel first, before thedemons do, he can be like hey
guy, remember me?

(23:24):
I used to be Gabriel.
Yep, let me show you how youcan do to help out this city.
Let's go yeah, and sort of bethat sort of yeah, be that Nyagi
Wax on wax off.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I think the thing that confused me the most was
when he was sort of throwinghimself off the building.
His line that he said was youthrew me far from grace and now
I fall onto it.
So to me I really like I thinkwe're right in terms of him
falling is a symbolic gesture ofhim falling from grace.
But that sentence that he sayskind of implies that he's going
back to grace.
Which is why I kind of led tobelieve in my first iteration

(24:04):
and reading of the film was thathe was so negatively affected
by his fall that or his almostfall, when he was fighting
Asmodeus and being affected bythe realm of purgatory, that he
was fearful that it would happenagain and he would bring evil
back into this realm.
So I think that that is alittle bit muddy for me.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Well, see, my interpretation of that line is
you may fall far from grace,because heaven's about the
highest form of grace, like it'smeant to be, the wonderful,
magical happy place it is.
But I think when he says youmay fall on grace, I think he's
saying that purgatory itself.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Ah, that is so much better.
Yeah, bro, I get that.
That's awesome.
Yeah, because he was talking toMichael about all the amazing
things that he felt in purgatoryas well.
Bad and good, bad and good.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
But that's just like that's a great line.
Yeah, the fact that there's likeso many different emotions, and
that not just the one unhappyemotion or the I'm very angry
emotion, it's like the amount ofsmells, feels, touch, tastes,
love, love like anger, like allthat just emotion, is just like

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the human experience.
It like is the grace, thewonder and the grace of this
place, and so now he's falling.
That makes sense and that's whyhe comes out and he's human, so
he can fully embrace that.
Yeah, we need the end creditscene.
Yeah, exactly Ties it alltogether.
Like you can look at it thatway and be like, oh yeah, I can

(25:38):
see him used to falling, butbecause you don't see him alive
at the end, you don't know.
Is he falling to die or is hefalling to?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
become human.
Yeah well, that was me that.
Just say as well.
Just to put like just to finishoff this conversation, this was
made in 2007.
Did they then initiate the endcredit scene before marvel?
Well, just, iron man was 2008.
I honestly think that, um, thecharacter of gabriel is probably

(26:04):
one of the best parts of thismovie, uh, in terms of his, his
character arc, andy whitfieldportraying him in the way that
he acts.
I think he juxtaposes well withDwayne Stevenson's Samael slash
Michael, and for me, I thinkthat now that I've sort of
conceptualized that line youthrew me far from grace and now

(26:26):
I fall onto it I think that thatend credit scene would have
really tied it all together andmade that climax a little bit
more fulfilling for me.
So, yeah, that was.
That was a really, really goodpoint, brash, I like that.
All right, let's go to our realdeal segment.
In our real deal segment, werandomly select a criteria or

(26:51):
lens to view the media throughand discuss elements with the
intention of finding out whetherit can be rated positively or
negatively.
Each week, we name thesepositive and negative criteria
in something that will reflect afun element of the movie that
we have been looking at.
So if something is good thisweek, prash, we're going to call
it.
Say again Arcs.
Actually, that's better thanwhat I got.

(27:13):
You're on fire today, prash,we're going to call it Arcs,
zegan, arcs Actually that'sbetter than what I got.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
You're on fire today.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Brash.
Oh, I was going to say arcs andfallen.
Yes, that's it, we will do that.
That is perfect.
If it's good, we're going tocall it arc, and if it's bad,
we're going to call it fallen,which represents, obviously the
angel's.
I'll tell you what I had, whereit's worse.
No, no, don't now, don't now,so the good one I had was Accept
the Dawn Bleed With Me, Brother.
Ooh yeah, Pulls Michael slashSamuel onto the pipe.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
I actually that has probably been one of my favorite
scenes.

Speaker 1 (27:41):
Yeah, I am taken out of that scene by the unrealistic
nature of it, because it's nota sharp pipe, it's a.
Anyway we digress.
And then the one that I had forthe bad rating was I love you,
michael, but I hate what you'vebecome.
Which is both from the climaxscene.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
I love that too, actually.
Yeah, so you like mine and Ilike yours, but I think we're
going to go with the good ratingbeing Ark, bad rating being
Fallen.
Just because it's simpler,better.
So let's randomly generate ourfirst real deal.
All right, so the first onethat's come up is the world
building or the setting.
So this movie takes place inpurgatory, with the assumption

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we're kind of introduced to theidea that there is something
above, because there is anextensively long digital effects
scene of Gabriel making his waythrough a wormhole, doctor who
style, until he eventually fallsdown into purgatory.
What are your thoughts onpurgatory, mr Brasher?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
I have a feeling that it's not right, but this is the
way I interpret it because Ithink it would be more
interesting.
So they call it purgatory.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
I just think it's earth.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I think that's how I interpreted it as well so, yeah,
they call it purgatory, but soit's just where we live now.
So purgatory, but it's justwhere we live now, so purgatory.
And a lot of people alsocontribute purgatory to this as
well, saying that purgatory isjust our life, and how we live

(29:05):
our life determines if we go toheaven or hell, and so I believe
that purgatory he falls into isjust here with us.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I think that would make sense too, because he does
talk about that human experienceand all the different things
that he's felt, good and bad, onthis realm.
It's obviously very much likeEarth, if not a dystopian
version, yeah, neo-noir versionof it.
New York City, new York City,yep, a city in the underbellies,
basically Hell's Kitchen.

(29:35):
Yeah, that would be perfect aswell.
So I think that, for me, Ialways, even though they call it
Purgatory, I always saw it andimagined it as our planet, yeah,
our existence here.
Why do you think they chose togo with Purgatory instead of
just Well?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think, because it gives it like, as you're saying,
how they didn't want to go toofar from like heaven, hell,
angels demons, oh yeah,religious or theological.
Because people can interpret itas earth if they want to, or
they can interpret it aspurgatory, where souls of like
women who've died have, the onesthat can't be quite judged yet
because they haven't reallylived a good or a bad life.

(30:13):
They're sort of stuck in themiddle.
Well, done some good, done somebad.
They go to purgatory, wherethen the demons and angels can
poke and prod at them to see ifthey can get that soul, because
souls must be some sort ofcurrency that's something as
well that isn't really explained.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
So that brings me to my point, I guess, about the
world building in the setting isthere are some really great
ideas that has been presented inthis realm, and I don't think
that all of them have been fullyfleshed out.
I still have a lot of questionsin terms of the rules for
purgatory, um, the inhabitantsthat are there beyond the main
conflict, because, as we saw,there are only like a sparse
smattering of people.

(30:50):
It looked like a wasteland andI think it would have given more
depth to see a lot of thepeople that Gabriel was trying
to save, for example, like he'scome down to save all these
people and we see about 10 ofthem in the movie that aren't
part of the conflict, so tospeak.
I think that the good versusevil sort of trope in it is
pretty simplistic as well,except when you're talking about

(31:10):
the nuance of the grey, whenwe're talking about Michael
slash Samael.
But yeah, I think the rules ofPurgatory really needed
developing as well, or more timeto cook.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, well, that's again how I said.
This would be a really good TVseries because you'd have that
time to be able to flesh thingsout.
You could spend a full almosthour long on each character that
he goes and sees, instead ofspending like 15 minutes with
uriel.
He could have had like a wholeone, two episodes with him where
he let it flash out.
Or there could be times where,instead of like they meet rafael

(31:41):
, he heals rafael, rafael stilla bit wounded, and then dies
immediately.
It's like like he could have,like um, joined him in a fight
or something like that later onbut still got killed somehow.
But because it wasn't that,because it was they were on such
a tight budget, because theyhad to shorten it for movie
constraints, like a lot ofthings had to get lost in it and

(32:02):
they also had such a large sortof I won't say cast, but they
had a lot of characters in termsof the arc and the fallen that
they kind of had to develop andit really makes it hard for one
or the other to shine like.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
The ones that stand out for me are obviously uriel,
gabriel, samuel and and um,that's a, that's really it that
we we get kind of developed andthey have the most screen time.
So, as you were saying before,in a longer form we probably
have more time to sit with thesecharacters.
But in the way that it's sortof set right now, the character
development really really doessuffer.
And considering this was athree-hour movie and they had to

(32:36):
cut it down because SonyDistributing Company Australia
wouldn't buy it unless it was atwo-and-a-bit-hour movie, yeah,
or just, you know, undertwo-hour movie, for marketable
reasons For me.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
they missed out on so much.
Like Lilith she's meant to belike the queen of monsters.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Yeah, like all of that lore that we're talking
about there when we were talkingabout Asmodeus being like the
king of lust and sexual desireand all that sort of unbridled
passion, and then Lilith beingthe queen of the damned, all
that sort of lore that sitsbehind all of these very sort of
famous and and heavy lore-builtcharacters could have been
really explored in a really deepand meaningful way.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Like I would have loved, because Lilith uses a
fucking sniper rifle to killUriel from a distance when she's
meant to be like the queen of,like monsters, like she could
have some, like she could uselike a few like big-ass fucking
ugly vicious dogs or some shit,and command those dogs or other
creatures, even wolves orsomething like that or some

(33:35):
something else to like, becausehe's outside.
It could have been likecreatures or animals and shit
that she could command her tokill him because that's what she
, that's her thing like.
Now.
That's what I feel like none ofthe characters really got to
show off their their thing, andI agree with you there, except
for Asmodeuswho's probably the only one who

(33:55):
got to show off a bit of what heis about.
Which is he's all about?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
In the fun house.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Loves himself, so he's trying to create a sort of
mirror image of himself.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Even that was a little bit muddy for me too.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Well, yeah, because you didn't know about it unless,
yeah, sort of I didn't knowabout it until I sort of read up
on his characters.
Yeah, and you miss a lot of thatstuff.
And like what Balin or Molochit was, it was like pestilence
and disease and that like yousee him because he looked like a
white ghoul.

(34:28):
But he looked like a whiteghoul, but you don't get to see
anything like that.
I would have liked it if he hadbugs and shit rolling all over
him or something like that,because, realistically, the
demon characters, they didn'thave to hide shit.
They could use their powers asmuch as they want because they
were winning.
They didn't have any fear ofgetting killed by other angels
because they'd alreadydemoralized all of them.

(34:49):
And yeah, I really got to.
Yeah, show off their for theirstuff, show their stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I agree, I think that they're.
That's what we mean when we saythere's so much potential in
this world building setting andthere's so much law behind the
characters that you can reallykind of dive into.
But we really don't get to seethat in this, in this movie, and
I wouldn't say that it's rushed, because I feel like the pacing
in this movie is a little bithere and there as well.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
Pacing in this movie is probably one thing that I
hate the most.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, and I think that with that in mind, we just
don't get enough on what thecharacters are all about to
really care about, because weknow that some are fallen and
some are arc, but beyond thatthere's really nothing of depth
and I think that they could havebenefited from a little bit and
maybe that means, you know,only having one or two arcs and
one or two fallen that we canget a bit more in depth with.

(35:39):
But for the, for the story ofGabriel, I think that they
ambitiously tried to do too much, left too much to assumption
and it didn't really sit.
Let's talk about the, the lightand dark based sort of powers
and the way that Purgatoryreacts.
I guess you could say to thoselight and dark based powers
Because I know they were Ireally like the element that the

(36:02):
Ark get weaker the longerthey're in Purgatory.
I like that.
Is that the same for the Fallen?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Well, no.
So it is said in the movie.
So whoever's winning winning,their powers grow.
Whoever's losing, their powersweakened.
So if the archangels wereactually winning, they'd be able
to have more power and the um,the fallen would lose their
powers.
But because we are human and weare easily corruptible, it's

(36:32):
really hard for the angels tostay on top, and then that's why
it's so easy for the fallen towin and overcome and demoralize
and crush the arts.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
And that's literally why Michael slash Samuel sort of
fell, because he thought thatas hard of the, as much effort
as he put into saving humans,their own folly is themselves.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
And this goes into what you were saying with pacing
Like how long do you thinkGabriel was in purgatory before
the end of the spring when hegot there to where he ends?
I would say a day.
Weeks.
He was there for weeks but itfelt like a day.
It felt like one long-ass daybecause it didn't really show

(37:15):
the times he was having breaksand shit, but because of the
pacing it didn't really showthat and it didn't do the whole
thing where it was like threedays later or something like
that because that'd be stupid.
I can look stupid if they trieddoing it that way, but he was
there for an extended period oftime because, you see, when he
was, he was there for anextended period of time because,
you, you see, um, when he wastalking about the character,
he's like, oh, we talked toasmodeus, but he's like, oh,

(37:36):
he's like oh, how, um, he's likehow long you been here a week
two, probably, being here forthree years or whatever it was.
And that's really like I'llspeak up, and it's like he
didn't say like a day or like aday or two.
He'd be like a day.
He's like what?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
you here a week, a month or whatever it is yeah, I
think more context would havebeen given to those parts if we
were actually seeing the threehour cut, because you know we
get more about how Gabriellearns to be a human and that
would have taken him a littlebit of time.
You know eating for the firsttime you see him standing and
those first scenes where you seehim coming down on earth after
he lands in the wormhole, uh,you actually see him attempting

(38:11):
to talk.
That's what he's actually doingin that moment.
So, yeah, I think that couldhave been more well explained if
they uh that they either neededto use their runtime a little
bit more effectively or make itinto a different sort of feature
instead of a film.
Anyway, let's let's rate this.
Is it going to be good as inarc or bad as in fallen?
What do you think for the worldbuilding slash slash setting?
I might go first, because thisis kind of tricky for me,

(38:33):
because I think there is a lotof potential, a lot of good
ideas, execution not so much.
So I think for me I'm going togive it a fallen, with a shiny
Gabriel falling off the top ofthe building arc as a little
caveat.
That's what I'll give it, butdefinitely a lot of fallen with
a little spark of light for thepotential that the idea holds.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
I'm going to give it an arc, but for the opposite
view.
I'm going to give it the arcbecause of the idea and the
potential, but I'm going to giveit a code of I just got all my
friends killed.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Going a bit Fallen.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
Going that little bit Fallen because of the execution
of it, Because, to be honest,this could have been so good
given A more funding.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
B, more time, all right.
So let's get our next one forreal deal, all right.
This one has come up as thepacing.
We kind of talked about this alittle bit earlier in our world
building setting.
I'll come straight out and saythat this is an arc for me, 100%
yeah, especially, you know, thefirst act for me is a little
bit slow.
Us learning what we do need tolearn about Gabriel coming down

(39:43):
and that pre-lore about theFallen, and the arc comes as
sort of screen text and then itreally doesn't.
It really didn't sort of pickup and peak for me until he
started talking to Uriel, andthat conversation there gave me
more lore and information thanthat whole part beforehand.
So I reckon they should havesort of foregrounded that they

(40:03):
should have just fallen.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
I even reckon the.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
And Uriel could have just found him.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, well, I reckon he could have fallen closer, to
say close, because he fell intothe outskirts and had to walk
into the city.
He could have fallen to theoutskirts right near where Uriel
was, and that's why how Urielwas able to pick him up, because
Uriel was about to cut himselfoff and he would have seen yeah,
a big shockwave came out and hewould have felt that and he
still would have to open hismind up and say, daniel, shut

(40:30):
the fuck up, come over here.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, that would have been.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Yeah, and he went straight there and then go live,
make sure you need it, becausethat scene was capturing.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I really liked that scene with Uriel and um because,
as much as I love Andy and.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
Harry Pavlidis that that's the the one where he,
where he lands and he's sort of,I do like, I do like it, but I
didn't have to, I don't think Ihad to go as long as it did.
Yeah, I agree, basically landingand then going through the
motions and the movements,feeling for the first time, like
it was great and it was needed,because this is the first time
he's been in a multiple body.
It's the first time he'stouching, feeling, smelling,

(41:03):
hearing all that kind of jazz.
So it's sort of near that part.
But I reckon that, like when Iwas re-watching it, I was like,
oh, I didn't realize it's beenfor so long.
It just went for a longer timethan I was like I remember, like
I don't know, I remember it.
I'm like, oh, I thought thiswas shorter.
This is like almost fiveminutes of him just on the
ground at the start.

Speaker 1 (41:22):
It could have been done as a series of flash cuts.
Like it could have been done asa series of flash cuts where he
like maybe while he's talkingto Uriah he just gets those
flashes of him coming down andthen learning these things for
the first time.
There was a few smarter ways.
That and confusing and and timecrunchy for me.
And then when it gets to themiddle act, it's kind of in

(41:43):
these repetitive cycles of findbad guy, kill bad guy, move on
to next bad guy, which actuallyreminded me so much of the crow
yeah, all that had that too,didn't?
it had it through the middle.
So with that it was sort ofthis yeah, this drawn out
monotonous kind of all the thingfor me.
With the crow to compare, Ifeel like the action sequences,
although that they wererepetitive, they were a little

(42:04):
bit more satisfying to watch forme than the ones in in this
movie, gabriel.
And I think that's just becausethe ones in the crow were
trained and choreographed not anhour beforehand.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
So so the the weight guess wasn't worth the punch
Seeing Andy and the Spartacuslike the man can fight.
The man can fight and that'sfrom the training that they got
for Spartacus and everything.
So, like, with training, likehe could have those fight scenes
, like they all could have beenreally, really, really good.
If, see, it all comes down toGod, I wish they had a better

(42:35):
budget.
I wish, I absolutely wish theyhad a better budget, because I
think that this movie could beespecially for 2007, could have
been a huge hit, especiallyespecially coming, especially
coming out just for, like Ironman and before, like the big
Marvel rush, until Marvel tookover pretty much all cinema and
everything had to fight againstMarvel to be any good and then

(42:56):
we get to like the climax, wherewe talked a little bit before
about how they assume a lot ofthings and there wasn't enough
time given for gabriel to kindof come to the relation
realization.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
He did all the audience to come to that
realization before he threwhimself off the building, so
that was kind of rushed.
So it's got this inflatedbeginning act and this rushed
end act and through the middleit's got these sort of
repetitive fight cycles.
So for me it's definitely afallen for me.
All right, let's get our mostvaluable takeaways.
We discussed the most importantthing we learned from the media

(43:30):
we have watched.
It could be something thatextends our knowledge or
something that we can apply toour life.
It can be as simple as a pieceof dialogue or something that's
stuck to us like a thematic ormoral lesson.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
Brash, you can go first for this one so for me,
this movie sort of gives me thesame feeling that my one of my
favorite animes gives me.
That's one piece and that'shope.
Hope is the big thing I takeaway from this movie.
It is no matter how bad yourlife gets, just try and hold on
to that hope, because it canalways turn around.

(44:04):
There have been moments in mylife where, especially when I
was younger, in more my teenageyears, where I was not happy
with my life.
But my mom used to always saylife's shit and then you die.
And I still like to say that,but more in a way of the way I

(44:29):
take that is life's not going tohand you everything, so life's
shit and then you die, but it'swhat you make of it for then is
well what you take away.
So life's not easy.
Like the only people who couldprobably say that, and even

(44:49):
people who, like I, look at somepeople and I'm like man, they
must have a really easy, happylife.
They could be going throughshit as well.
Like life's not easy, it's astruggle.
Just look at the wild.
You could out in australianbushland and get bit by a snake
and die.
Like it is right, it is roughout there and it's rough
everywhere.
Um, you gotta take, you gottatake the good and hold on to

(45:10):
that, because that's what getsyou through.
And gabriel, I think in thiswhole movie, and that's why I
love gabriel's character in this, because the whole time when he
first gets there, he's like, ohshit, and all the feelings.
And then, um, everyone's like,oh, this place is dark and
dismal, hide yourself and justfind somewhere to hide in the
hole, right.
He's like, no, no, we're hereto make things better, we're

(45:33):
here to brighten up everyone'slives.
Yeah, don't give up, keep going.
And then when everyone dies,he's like oh no, oh no.
Because I think that momentwhen everyone dies, he's like,
oh, I've gotten all my friendskilled, what have I got left?
And then that's when he seesthe kid like woman he's.
And that's when he's like, no,I have more here than I realized

(45:54):
.
There's jade, and there's allthe people here who I can lift
up and bring them back the hopethat's been taken away from them
, and I get behind that.
And that's why I love One Pieceas well, so much because One
Piece is all about hope as well,that's a really good brush.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Thanks for sharing that.
That's awesome.
That's a really good takeaway,because mine's kind of in a in a
really similar vein.
Mine's about, uh like personalgrowth through like a dark times
, basically so having thatself-awareness to to be sort of
accountable and then make thosepersonal kind of transformations

(46:35):
that you need to do.
Because during this moviegabriel views morality in really
black and white terms and Ithink that he like he believes
himself to be really sort ofgood and righteous and pure and
immune to the weaknesses that isin the world that others in his
sort of line have succumbed to.
He's kind of.

(46:57):
And then something happens thatreally sort of rocks him like
his worldview is shatteredbasically, and he struggles with
his own sense of identity afterthat, where he he then kind of
has to, he has moments of angerand moments of extreme pride and
resistance to change, and thenhe has this really kind of rigid
mindset for a little while.
But then he has those momentswhere he does in fact, in the

(47:21):
end, know that his personalgrowth will come through being
able to take that accountability, not shift blame onto others,
and actively work to correctthese darknesses that is
happening not just to him but toa lot of other people.
So being able to to make thatpersonal growth in a darker sort

(47:42):
of time is is really good.
And it could be like I've beenin positions with it myself
where you really sometimes it'sjust as simple as setting one
habit that you make that you'regoing to do when you're feeling.
And the darkness might not beexternal for some people it is,
but some people it's internal.
It might be a depressive state,but whatever you're feeling and
the darkness might not beexternal for some people it is,
but some people it's internal.
It might be a depressive state,but whatever you're kind of
going through in that sort ofmoment of weakness and this kind

(48:04):
of darkness, you can just putone foot forward in front of the
other and progress and havethat growth.
Mindset is what we use inschool to talk to kids about.
It is not having that rigidmindset of everything is dark
and everything is.
Is is against me, but take thatone sort of step forward and it
can be a small step but it'sforward.

(48:26):
And that's kind of what gabrieldid when he was in that hallway
fighting as modius.
He kind of said, okay, I cansave this girl in front of me
now I can save her.
And he did that.
And then, after that, he movedon to the next problem, and then
the next, and then the next,and then eventually, in the end,
he fell onto grace, which wasthe ending for him.

(48:46):
So he became the light that hewas looking for and, in the same
way that people who are goingthrough those sorts of
depressions, it's the hardestthing to do, and I know, because
I'm speaking from experience,when it's the hardest thing to
do, and I know, because I'mspeaking from like experience,
when it's the hardest thing todo, when you have to take that
one step, when you really justdon't feel like doing fucking
anything.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not.

(49:07):
And then, yeah, taking that onestep can be as simple as you
know talking to a friend,talking to a friend, making the
choice to talk to a friend, orgoing for a walk that day.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
It can be as simple, as you know cleaning your room
Yep Doing some just 80 tasks.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Moving forward is is the thing, and striving for that
kind of growth mindset and thatimprovement and that's what I
kind of got from this movie,which is which is that, that
ability to just take that onestep forward and and move
through hard things, so which ispretty good for a low-budget
Australian.
Yeah, like hey.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
So as much as, like, you can harp on about how poor
it is and how like thechoreography is bad and how it
looks bad, but the actualmessage itself is there.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah, and I think that's why we watch movies, you
know, is to find those things wecan relate to in them as well.
All right, let's rate it Allright now.
Fandom Portals on a Board iswhere we rate the media that we
just watched and we place it onour letterbox on a board.
This board can be followed,tracked and found on ourboxd,

(50:20):
which is at fandomportals,rating the movie.
Okay, so for me, I think thatthe idea is good.
Execution was poor.
I think that they did what theycould under a small budget and
I'm not discounting their sortof Aussie battler mentality.
For this one as well, I thinkI'm sitting somewhere between

(50:40):
like one and a half two stars.
I'm leaning more to two starsbecause of how compelling
Gabriel was, so I think I'llgive it a two, two out of five.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
I was going to go three and a half but then I'm
like no, that's me just beinggenerous, because I really do
like the premises movie.
I do like the fact that theylike the aussie batman mentality
of this and how they work sohard, just these ragtag group of
people pretty much that had tofill in for different roles and
just get this movie done.

(51:10):
I was gonna give it a half butthen I'm like no, I had to be
realistic to the actual as muchas like as I say, oh, with more
money there could have been, itcould be so much better.
That wasn't the case, so I wasgonna give it three and a half.
Um, I'm probably gonna give it.
Well, I'm still nearly betweentwo and a half three because I I

(51:33):
don't want to be too generousbecause that feels dishonest.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Yeah, with how it actually is yeah, this is like
me with dragon heart.
I really wanted to give it afive yeah, let's see, I wouldn't
really.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I'd really love to give gabriel a five, but, um, as
much as I love this movie, Imight even have to drop it down
to two and a half, just justpurely because, uh, they tried
so hard but unfortunately,because of constraints, it
wasn't executed well, okay.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Well, looking at our fandom portals on a board, with
you giving it two and a half andme giving it a two, it sits at
an average of 2.25, which meansthat it will either sit in front
of or behind Indiana Jones, theDoor of Destiny.
That's fair, mm-hmm.
So that'll be sitting at 11thor 12th.

Speaker 2 (52:22):
I really didn't like that movie.
So the fact that it was a movieI liked but that had a low
budget and made it 4 is doing aswell as a high budget movie
with star power.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Well, that is actually a good, and you know
what?
It is still higher than ourlowest rated movie at the
Phantom Portals podcast, whichis Red 1.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Let's go Red One.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Woo hoo.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I do feel kind of bad that Red One is lowest, but
unfortunately we've watchedbetter movies.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
So I'm happy to put this above Indiana Jones, if you
want.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
I'm happy with that too.
I'd be politically Australian.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Let's give it that little bump for being Australian
.
Yeah, that's a good point.
We're going to give it a bumpfor being Australian.
We're going to place it aboveIndiana Jones and the Doll of
Destiny, so it will sit 11th onour fandom portals on a board.
Let's do our sign off.
All right, everybody.
This is goodbye for this week.
Brash and I have proudlybrought to you a Gabriel.

(53:17):
On the very last day of themonth, we will be releasing our
fandom portals.
Portal is pick episode, whichyou guys selected from our
community watch list.
If you want them to be a partof that, you can join our
letterboxd or even just suggesta movie on any of our social
medias and we'll put it on ourwatch list.
Uh, the voting happens on oursocial medias.
And you guys picked, uh, theteenage mutant Ninja turtles
movie.
The Teenage Mutant NinjaTurtles movie from 1990.

(53:39):
Hell, yeah, yeah, we get to doit.
This movie was selected byBoyorial Seth.
So thank you, boyorial Seth.
You will be shouted out in ournext episode as well, so looking
forward to that one.
If you wanted to send us a movierecommendation, you can do so
by email, which is our emailaddress is
fandomportalsatgmailcom.

(54:00):
You can also give us an honestreview and rating at Apple
Podcasts and Spotify.
We appreciate any feedback thatwe get.
We read out some fan mail lastweek on our Dragonheart episode
and it really made our days.
It was really, really awesometo see Some big things coming in
April for the Fandom Portalspodcast guys as well.
We've got some new things up onthe interwebs and some new ways

(54:21):
for you to interact with us, sodefinitely follow the show.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
I'm super, super excited for Teenage Mutant
Nightmare.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Turtles.
Well, apparently that movie'scalled Teenage Mutant Hero
Turtles.
Really more about that nexttime.
See you later.
This is Aaron signing off fromthe Fandom Puddles podcast.
Be safe, everybody be happy.
This is Adam signing off, seeya.

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