Further your health journey with PLANTS - featuring Chuck Carroll - The Flirty Vegan

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Welcome to The Flirty Vegan, thepodcast that motivates you to
thrive through plant based living.
I'm your host Jenny Chaffetz, certified life breathwork and
vegan lifestyle coach. After decades of dieting and
deprivation, I found the secret to living a compassionate,
nourished life. Whether you've been vegan for
years or you're just flirting with the idea, prepare to be

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inspired by real people who courageously chose health and
love. It's time to look better, feel
better and do better hey listeners, today's the day today
is the official first episode ofthe flirty vegan podcast.
My name is Jenny Chaffetz. I am your host.
I am also a certified life and breathwork coach and vegan

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lifestyle coach and educator. After months of of contemplation
and deliberation, it's here I have made the switch from
sideline sisters to the flirty vegan to honor my soul, my deep
loving mission to spread the word of a vegan lifestyle and we
will get into all the different aspects of veganism and what

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brought my amazing guests to this decision in their life.
So I hope you press subscribe orfollow wherever you're listening
so that these episodes show up in your queue because they're
going to be fantastic. I will be bringing you
conversations with doctors, activists, entrepreneurs,
religious leaders, experts in science and psychology, chefs

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and so much more. So buckle up.
It's going to be a super fun ride.
And even if you are not vegan orvegetarian or in any way focused
on the animals or planet, that'sOK.
Just listen. That's what I ask of you, is to
listen with an open heart and open mind and hear these real

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relatable stories because the majority of my guests, maybe
even all of them, are people whowere not raised vegan.
They came to this lifestyle for one reason or another.
And I am confident that some of those reasons will affect you,
will connect to something withinyou that's been dormant, maybe
just bubbling beneath the surface.

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And I hope you'll share this show with others because that's
how it works. You tell someone, they listen,
they hear a message that resonates, something that they
really needed to know, and there's a ripple effect.
So use the share button and texta link to an episode your friend
really needs to hear. And I also want to let you know
that this show is now transitioning to every other

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week because in addition to the podcast name change, my whole
business is more fake because I am so committed to changing the
planet and helping people go vegan for all the reasons
health, animals, planet. I need time to work on that.
And this show, while I love it intensely is time consuming.

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I am a one woman operation here.So I am going to be devoting
more time to building the flirtyvegan platform where I will
focus on individual coaching as well as workshops, speaking
engagement. So if you work at a company or
an organization that is interested in improving their

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health or their impact on the world, then let's talk.
Let's get me on the books to speak to your people because I
can speak to the health benefitsof going plant based, the
cruelty and inhumanity of animalagriculture, and also the
horrific impact on the environment and natural

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resources. And I can also go into mental
health and oppression and all ofthe injustices surrounding a
meat eating society. But you tell me what your people
need to hear and I will speak tothat because I am such a happy,
proud vegan and I can touch on whatever part of the
conversation you think will be most effective for me.

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I found veganism through a nature documentary.
And let's be clear, I never identified as an
environmentalist. I was not a tree hugging,
kumbaya singing hippie. But we did fancy a wildlife
video now and then. And it just so happened that the
one we watched five years ago ended with a message of going

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vegan because this movie showed how our actions as a meat eating
planet are having deleterious impact in the form of land
devastation, species extinction,unimaginable pollution.
And so I saw that and said, well, shoot, I might want to go
see the Amazon rainforest one day.

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Not sure it's still going to be there.
So that's what led me to be an overnight environmentally
conscious vegan. And especially with the new year
right around the corner, we as asociety love to make changes
around that time, love to start fresh and get healthy and do
better. So that's my mission here to

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help you, the listener and your network bring about positive
changes in your life. So be sure to check the show
notes for relevant links, like my free tutorial video on how to
veganize common recipes and holiday food.
You'll want to check that link and just know that the flirty
Vegan is where it's at website, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,

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podcast. So across all channels, follow
the flirty Vegan. When I went vegan, which is
almost five years ago, I was searching desperately for
support in the form of podcasts.I had already been an avid
podcast listener, and now I justneeded to find shows that
aligned with my values to further my enthusiasm, and I

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stumbled upon the exam, which iswhere I found Chuck and I have
been voraciously listening to that show all this time.
Chuck Carroll is the host of thePhysicians Committees popular
The Exam Room podcast and he's known widely as the weight Loss
Champion, a name given to him byan NFL player after losing an
incredible 275 lbs. At just five feet 6 inches tall,

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Chuck weighed 420 lbs and had a 66 inch waist before radically
changing his life. Now, like so many others, he
tried and failed countless timesto lose weight.
Any success he achieved was short lived as the weight came
pouring back on and then some. At his heaviest, he was eating
10,000 calories every day. Out of desperation, he decided

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to have weight loss surgery in 2009.
Prior to the procedure, he was convinced that it would become
like all the other failed attempts to lose weight.
Chuck was just 27 years old at the time and didn't believe he
would live to see 30. He thought at least he would go
to his grave saying he tried everything.
But then the unexpected happened.
He woke up from the surgery and never looked back.
Although a critical component, the procedure proved only to be

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the first step in his journey. In fact, he only attributes 10%
of his long term weight loss success to it.
The rest he credits to a plant based diet and changing his
lifestyle. By adopting a plant based diet,
he is no longer afraid of regaining the weight as he had
so many times before. No more yo-yo dieting.
He is thrilled that he is lowering his risk of cancer and

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Alzheimer's, both of which run rampant in his family.
As a bonus, he's no longer spending massive amounts of
money on medical expenses because of his optimal health.
The confidence he gained from the weight loss enabled him to
pursue his dream of becoming a reporter, where he covered
sports and news for CBS and later NBC News Radio.
He was also previously featured in the Physicians Committee's

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Teaming Up for Health campaign, where he had the opportunity to
speak on Capitol Hill and share his remarkable journey.
Now he's delighted to be bringing his passion and talents
to the Physicians Committee as host of The Exam Room and to
show others that the impossible is possible.
Possible. You can get healthy, my friends.
This is an absolute honor and privilege for me.

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I share with you my conversationwith Chuck Carroll.
It is with very tempered fandom that's seizing up within me that
I am trying to carefully welcomethe incomparable Chuck Carroll
to the show. Chuck, welcome.

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Thank you, it's good to be here.I've never been on a show called
the Flirty Vegan Podcast before.This is truly a bucket list
moment. Oh yay, well I'm so glad that
there actually isn't another flirty vegan show.
I thought I did my research so I'm glad that's confirmed.
No, this is dope. Like when, when I got the
invitation to come on the FlirtyVegan podcast, I didn't know who

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you were, but I knew it was an instant yes, 'cause I was like,
I'm definitely going to be having some fun.
Like this is this is my element where I can be 100% me I feel.
So thank you for making me feel so welcome with the name of the
show alone. Oh, thank you, Chuck.
That means a lot to me because Ihave been a consumer of your
content since, I want to say since the day I went vegan.

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But it might have been a couple of days after when I was seeking
out community and validation. I had made this big choice in my
life and I had no one to really share it.
I mean, I have a family, but no one who was really on board with
it. So I had to take to the

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interweb, the audible world, andfind just, yeah, find, find a
sense of cheerleading and information.
And oh, yes, Jenny, you did makethe right choice.
So thank you for providing that to me.
Oh, well, thank you and thanks for being an exam roomie.
And like, yeah, I mean, that's the cool thing about the online

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community in the health space isthat there are so many like
minded people who just want to help others along the way.
And, you know, for whatever reason, no matter what diet you
go on, when you go on a diet, you feel so isolated because
you're really the only one that's eating that way more
often than not. And especially here when it it's

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such a a controversial thing to eat a plant based diet like
which is just insane to me. But whatever.
I'm just glad that you found some friends along the way.
Yes, and I'm glad to maybe I'd like to consider myself joining
your your corner of the podcasting space now with this

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show that's speaking the same language.
So to introduce you to the audience, I have Oh, and by the
way, this is the premiere episode of the show.
In case I I I guess I kind of forgot to tell you that one in
the off recording time. This is it.

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This is the first episode. So to the audience and to you,
welcome to the flirty vegan woo.Yes, cue cue the applause.
So what we're doing on this showis speaking to current vegans
who want community and encouragement to stay the path,

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which if they've chosen it for ethical reasons, they probably
don't need that that validation.But it's also for what we
probably like to call the pre vegans the the future plant
based eaters to. I stole that from someone else.
I did steal that, you know, to offer them information, ideas,

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inspiration, you know, a little bit of enthusiasm that we're
loving this way of life and you know, to jump on the wagon with
us. So with that, I want to ask you
to to start us off by the show was called the flirty Vegan and
you know what it's like to date and before before you got

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married to look for that specialperson from across the room.
So what attracted you to a plantbased lifestyle?
Oh man, I I thought you we were going to go down a completely
different Rd. I.
Thought you did. I was like, are we going to go
through my dating history? We can.
We can after this. OK, OK, So what attracted me to

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a plant based diet? I mean, I was in search of
health, anything that was going to help me achieve my health
goals or help me maintain the course that I was on.
And, you know, I came into it a little bit later in in my health
journey because I had bariatric surgery.
But the scale was going back up a little bit.

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And I was already nicknamed the weight loss champion by a number
of players in the NFL. Adam Carricker was the first
player to coin that for me. But and that's when I was
covering the team and and life was really good as a huge sports
fan to have that as my job and then to have earned that
nickname. But still, I was like, there has
to be more. And even though I had lost a

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tremendous amount of weight, there were days when I just, you
know, it's still felt kind of sluggish.
And that's when I was interviewing a professional
wrestler by the name of Austin Aries who said, you know, you
should really look at going plant based and he himself
having wrestled for WWE at WrestleMania, like that is truly

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the Super Bowl of that sports entertainment.
Anyway, you know, I had a lot ofadmiration.
And so that that got my ear. And I remember thinking back to
an encounter that I had with Doctor Barnard and and my
colleagues now my colleagues at the physicians committee and
learning a little bit about eating a plant based diet there.

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But for whatever reason, when I had that conversation with
Austin, I really felt like I should give this a go because
here's somebody that's kind of in my, you know, sports jock
centric kind of circle, really talks my kind of talk walks my
kind of walk. And this is working for him.

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If I had any preconceived notionthat a plant based diet was frou
frou, that certainly went out the door.
And so that really is what pushed me in the direction that
I ultimately went. And the very next day after
speaking with Austin and and doing that interview for CBS at
the time, I was all in and have never looked back.

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I. Love that I've heard you tell
that story many times, but I wanted to illuminate it for our
listeners and I just, I love it.You know, there's a there's
different ways and wise to adopting a vegan approach and
diet. So I love that that was the way.

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But I want to ask you about the why, because especially when and
you know, you've talked to way more people than I have about
food. When people adopt A plant based
diet for health reasons or weight loss, I find that it
might be a little easier to havecheat days or kind of pivot

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temporarily like, oh, that's, you know, it's been going really
well, but let's just see if I can still be healthy and bring
back in that thing that, you know, the mozzarella sticks or
whatever fish sushi kind of thing.
What is it that has motivated you to stay plant based?

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Having learned about what can happen when I have a cheat day,
I'm very terrified of everythinggoing off the rail.
So fear more than anything, to be honest with you.
Fear motivates kids to behave itit does a lot of.
Things fear can be a beautiful thing, you know, because there

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were times when I would go off of my diet back in the day and
having lost, you know, 6070 lbs,like pretty good chunks of
weight, but being so overweight,you know, there was still a way
to go. But I got that far.
And I remember one time in particular, there were two times
really that stood out to me. I don't talk about this one as

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much as I do, you know, punchingmy fist through a ball.
That's, that's my pretty famous one.
But there was one time I was working in a Mexican restaurant
and literally could have anything that I wanted, you
know, fresh, authentic Mexican food.
I was not working at Taco Bell, but still I had to go to Taco
Bell after I ate. But after, after work, you know,

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there's just something about Taco Bell.
But you. Would distinguish between the
fancy Mexican and the junk food Mexican.
Absolutely, if it was anything clean and healthy, like I wanted
nothing to do with it. Like let's just go straight for
the cheesy Gordita crunch or whatever.
But anyway, I remember like having lost 60 lbs and I thought
like I could have one Nacho. I call this my one Nacho theory.

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And I had it and I was like OK, that wasn't so bad, let me have
another. And then I had the 1 Nacho
dunked in the Nacho cheese no problem.
And then quickly after that it became a problem because it was
Nacho after Nacho after Nacho into right back at Taco Bell and
you know, after eating the big super burrito from the

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restaurant I was working at at the time and it just like fell
off the rail. So for me, like that one Nacho
led to a vicious, A vicious falling off of the wagon when it
came to food. And, and that was it.
And within a matter of a couple of months, all of the weight
that I had lost came back. And of course, as has happened

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with so many of us, it came backand then some, you know, the
plus 10, the plus 20. And, and so I call that the one
Nacho theory. It was kind of a, a mini
epiphany, like, Oh, my God, I can't have just one.
Like, they're so right with thatcommercial.
I think it was like Lays or Pringles or something like that,
that you can't eat just one. And then flash forward a few

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years when I was actually being paid to endorse something called
the Cookie Diet. I was working at a radio station
here in Washington, DC Yeah, eatcookies, lose weight.
It couldn't, you know, what could possibly go wrong by day
three without Taco Bell? Like I'm in full blown
withdrawal, like feeling sick, looking sick, angry, aggravated,

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agitated. And that was the night that I
actually like because I hadn't had Taco Bell in three days and
that's literally all I could think about for those three
days. That's the night that I punched
my fist through a wall and snuckout of the house after midnight,
found the 24 hour drive thru loaded up on my $20 worth of
Taco Bell, which you figure in inflation today, this is like

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$3035 worth of food and, and youknow, 5000 calories in a sack
and, and having that first bite that night.
And instantly that anger went away.
The feeling of sickness went away.
It was like the best Prozac and antibiotic wrapped into one you
could ever imagine. And it worked instantaneously.

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But then it dawned on me that I was a junkie.
I was a literally a junk food ora fast food junkie.
Right. They call it junk food for a
reason. Yeah, 100%.
And and you know, that's why I don't do cheat days because of
those two instances and knowing if I had that one bite, boom,

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that switch would get flipped inmy brain and I would be probably
right back at Taco Bell. You know, at least convincing
myself temporarily, you know, just eat the vegan stuff, you'll
be OK. I don't want to go down that
road. I've been down that road and it
sucks. So I stay on the straight and
narrow. So I I know in your journey
there was the surgery and weightloss and then ultimately plant

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based, which kind of led you to the the optimal health place
that you rested in. Besides losing more weight, what
other benefits did you see did you experience from adopting a
plant based lifestyle? So it's funny.
I mean, we were talking about fear.
Like I was no longer afraid thatI was going to die of a heart

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attack in my 50s, like what happened to my grandfather.
That was my dad's dad, never metthe man he passed before I was
born. No longer afraid that I was
going to have, you know, heart troubles like my own father was
experiencing or, or my mom's dad.
And and so it's just like that was a big weight off of my
shoulders, you know, being able to walk more than 1520 feet

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without my chest starting to tighten up and, and just
thinking, oh, God, you know, this is my day.
And to not have that burden is great.
And then to learn about the connection between diet and
cancer and those risks falling and plummeting, like I felt
really good. Same thing with Alzheimer's
disease, which also runs rampantin my family.

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And, you know, I didn't realize what a big burden or a dark
cloud that was that was just hanging over me all the time.
But to not feel so afraid of of that stuff creeping up on me in
time, like, it's pretty good. And no, I'm not saying that
eating a plant based diet makes you bulletproof.
I mean, I'm, you know, I can talk for days about why it

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doesn't, but just knowing that the things that I fear the most
I have way more control over than I imagined.
That makes me feel pretty empowered and crowd even to be
eating this way and leading others by example.
So yeah. Yeah, it's really crazy.
I mean, I'm sure you know plentyof people who are doing the, I

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don't want to say standard American diet as in the crappy
food, but more like the standardAmerican diet as in counting,
tracking, measuring, restricting, depriving, maybe
binging, but you know, the dieting method that you and I
are both familiar with. And they're also maybe doing a

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lot of exercise and other other trends that come across.
Maybe they're taking lots of supplements or drinking their
protein shakes and their whey powder, creatine and all the
things. What are some of the things that
you would want to say to the people who are doing all the

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things and still not feeling as great as they could?
I mean #1 like, I think when youput that much stress into
figuring out what it is you should be eating every day, like
that's, I mean, that's no fun tobe honest with you.
Like who wants to like weigh andmeasure with every friggin meal

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and snack? Like, forget about it, right?
So just go back to that, you know, KISS philosophy.
Keep it simple, stupid. Like it doesn't have to be any
more complicated than throw a whole bunch of like Whole Foods
on your plate and you know, beans, green things, grains, you
know, let's get some fruits and veggies in there.
Make sure that you got a whole bunch of different colors in

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there. And if you ate one kind of bean
for lunch, eat a different kind of bean for dinner.
That's it. And then the rest kind of takes
care of itself. Like for the love of Pearl,
people like and, and quit with the damn protein obsession too.
Protein is important, but it's really fiber that we should be
focusing on. And the research that I have
seen and, and certainly Doctor Christopher Gardner out of

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Stanford does a fantastic job ofhighlighting that there's
literally protein in every single food that you eat.
You know, And so if you eat a wide variety of plants, you're
going to get everything that youneed, provided you're getting
enough calories. Again, 99% of the time,
everything's going to take care of itself.

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So stop overthinking it. Enjoy your meals and let the
food do the work for you. Don't overthink it, people.
Don't overthink it. Right, right.
I know it's crazy. Now you did mention that eating
plant based is not an automatic bulletproof shell that we get to
in case ourselves in. That being said, you have

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encountered health issues. What is it like?
What has it been like navigatinga health issue while living
under this kind of plant based microscope?
It's really hard to be honest with you.
Like I wrestled with talking about it publicly for golly, 2

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1/2 years and I, I just, it getsto a point where you can't keep
a secret because in my case withmy metabolism getting all wonky
because of what's going on, you know, people are like, are, are
you getting weight? And, you know, I had people
writing in, it's like, Oh no, did you, you know, go back to

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Taco Bell? Like, you know, I'm, I'm here to
help you. I can, you know, just let me
know what you need and well-intentioned, but it's like
you guys don't have a clue. And that's just kind of also
like, you know, fat shaming in away.
And that's something that I never thought that I would in.
A huge way. A deal with again, right.
And and you know, there have been people who were like, well,

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you know, just for now, drop theweight loss champion name and
just go by Chuck. And it's just like, come on,
guys. Like you don't have a clue of
what's actually going on. And and it's hard, but
eventually you have to talk about it.
And even though I didn't necessarily want to do it, it
became one of the most liberating moments in my life

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when I went out to Los Angeles and recorded with Maxim Sagoin,
phenomenal body recomposition coach.
You know, just I can't say enough nice things about him.
And and so to be able to give him that story on his show was,
was really was really good. And yeah, my case is ultra rare
and ultra complex and has absolutely nothing to do with

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eating a plant based diet and very likely has to do with the
fact that I had bariatric surgery and was also living a
very, very, very stressful life.And so you kind of put those two
things together and I don't carehow much kale you eat or how
many blueberries you eat, you'rejust not going to be able to

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overcome what's going on. And so now there's a lot of
working theories about what's going on and they haven't quite
figured. It.
Out. But I do feel.
Like. We're starting to really put the
pieces together to to get thingssquared away.
So I can have my regular life back.
But I'll tell you also, it's hard literally going to the best

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doctors in the country. Like I'm being treated at the
Mayo Clinic and they are as baffled by a lot of this as I
am. And that's not a very comforting
space to be in. Now people will also say that,
well, why do you even bother eating a plant based diet,
right? You're not bulletproof.
It's like, well, no kidding. But if I weren't eating this

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way, then I would be in a serious, serious, serious, like
life and death battle. I think at this point I felt
like I wasn't. And when I was being treated at
Johns Hopkins, before I went over to Mayo, I remember asking
one of the doctors there if I was dying and they said I don't
know. And that was very early on.
But that was like, that was not a good day.

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But I do know that as frustrating as it is, whenever I
get a test result back and it says that I'm perfectly healthy
and the test is perfectly normal, like it's both
comforting and frustrating at the same time.
It's like, because to heck on it, all I want is answers.
But at the same time, look at that cholesterol.

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That's pretty impressive, right?That's exactly what I was going
to say is. I mean, I can't imagine.
I'm sure you can't imagine what the alternative would be if you
did flip back to the old style of eating.
Yeah, yeah, it's, it's pretty bad.
And, and so like what happened with me, for those who haven't
heard the story yet, is like every day and for a while I was

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having like really severe GI symptoms.
I would get like super bloated and then it just got worse and
worse and worse over time. And, and now we're kind of at a
point where every day, you know,I kind of feel either drunk or
stoned for a good chunk of the day.
And that has to do with the nervous system.
And because I feel so much worseafter I eat, I did not eat for

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like 6-7 months, something like that.
It was a very long time, like literally maybe 200 calories a
day. And so I got like super thin,
like all the way down to like 115 lbs, that kind of ballpark.
And then when I kind of had to force myself to start eating
again, you know, I got up to about 18102 thousand calories,

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all whole food plant based. But my body to this day now is
just clinging to every calorie. And so the metabolism's wonky.
So they're a little bit puzzled by that.
But we'll we'll get it all squared away.
And Long story short, there, there's a chance that it is the
bariatric surgery that's kind ofdoing some wonky things, created

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a hernia. The hernia is pushing up into
the diaphragm that is aggravating the nervous system
and causing just a bunch, a bunch of different symptoms.
And so that's one of the theories that may be part of it.
That may not be all of it, but we'll find out.
But there's a reason why I walk around wearing the, you know,

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the John Cena hats, the never give up at, you know, every day.
It's, it's because it's, it's a reminder to me to keep going
because there are days when I'm just like reduced to tears
because the feelings are so bad.And there's like so much anxiety
that comes with am I ever going to be my old self again?

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And it's, it's hard. It's really hard.
So that's kind of where we're at.
Well. Thank you for sharing that,
Chuck, and I'm really sorry. I don't mean to dig it all up
for you because you present the same way on on your show.
You still have the same high spirits and and the tone of
voice that sounds energized and engaged.

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So are you just masking it or doyou have moments of feeling
well? I I love what I do.
And so it's kind of a bit of an escape, but there are times when
it's very difficult to do the show because it's like you feel

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so drugged that sometimes it's hard to follow the conversation.
And there are certain things that I've learned to do to try
to stay more present when somebody's talking.
Certainly the show prep has goneup exponentially, you know,
really making sure that. Got a couple more interns.
Well, yeah, I'm still pretty much a one man band, but I'm now

(31:26):
like a a note taking machine andmake sure that I have like
everything up in front of me at all times.
But in terms of spirit, it's like, look, I'm very cognizant
of the fact that I have a phenomenal platform and I'm so
blessed to be able to do that. And I, I want people to know
that there are times when I'm struggling, but I also want to

(31:47):
show them that if they're struggling as well, you can
still perform at a very high level and, and do the things
that you really love to do in life.
So just because you're sick doesn't mean that, you know,
life has stopped. You don't have to curl up into a
ball and, you know, feel sorry for yourself and wonder why me?

(32:07):
You know, there's that line fromthe Shawshank Redemption.
Get busy living or get busy dying.
I'm going to keep living like it's, it's not even a question.
And I know it's hard and there are days, believe me, when all I
want to do is like, listen to, you know, the, the Jelly roll
song, Somebody save me is a is areally good one.
And, and, and it's just like, I would much rather, you know,

(32:30):
spend my days curled up in a ball in those cases.
But like, I would be letting myself down.
I'd be letting so many other people down who, you know, are,
are watching the show and learning for, you know, their
own health reasons and, and those that know the struggle
that I'm currently going throughand using that as motivation for
them to keep pushing through, right.

(32:52):
I need to maintain that. So I feel like the exam roomies
are kind of my accountability buddies and, and it's, it's
really cool to, to be able to reach people on that type of a
profound level. It really is.
Sorry for the interruption, but I have to ask, have you thought
about going vegan but then reconsidered because it sounds

(33:13):
too hard, too overwhelming, too removed from the normal way of
eating? If so, that is totally normal.
We've all been there. So I want to share with you a
fun video. It's kind of like a tutorial of
me going through my local grocery store magazine.
And it doesn't matter if you don't live near a Hannaford,
this still applies. And I show you how easy it is to

(33:36):
veganize the various recipes presented.
You could get the Hannaford Fresh magazine online for free
and follow along with me. Or you could just watch and
listen as I explain the ease andaccessibility of incorporating a
plant based diet. So I'd love to share this video
with you. Just go to the show notes and
click on free supermarket video and enjoy.

(33:59):
And if you want more individualized help to implement
a plant based diet, then click on the link that's also in the
show notes for a free coaching. Now let's get back to the
episode. And I just think it's so
inspiring that a lot of people when they encounter A struggle,
whether it's their own health struggle or job loss or a family

(34:20):
crisis, it's so easy to go rightback to those things that I've,
as I've heard you refer to it, the warm blanket, those things
that as warped as it is, made usfeel safe and loved, when in
fact they were doing more harm than anything.

(34:42):
But it's it's it's easy to to fall back into those old
patterns and you haven't. No, I, I, I have no use for AB
spent golly, I mean close to 30 years just destroying my body
and I feel like, you know, what I'm going through now is, you
know, just a late penalty for doing that.
You know, it's it's just like, you know, the tax man just

(35:05):
waited a long time to come collect.
But yeah, I mean, so I'm still paying that penalty.
So, yeah, why would I want to dothat anymore, right?
It's like I think about, you know, in another 10 years, like
hopefully we'll have this situation figured out.
I don't want to have something else pop up, damn it.
Like I'm ready to just be. Right.
OK. So on that note, we'll flip it

(35:27):
to a little more uplifting for everyone.
Yeah. In 10 years, you would love to
feel like this is well, in the past.
And now, you know, the flowers have sprouted.
I'm living my best life. You have interviewed hundreds
and hundreds of people. You've conducted like, you know
what, 47,000 interviews at this point. 47,000 and.

(35:47):
One. OK, OK.
Yeah, I missed that last one. You've heard so many brilliant
pieces of wisdom along the way. Are there any particular Nuggets
that have stood out to you as like, yes, absolutely.
I'm not going to forget this when it's going in the pocket.
I. I know, I know.

(36:08):
There's there's You could probably write a book about
everything that you've learned along the.
Way I think what really sticks out to me is like the fact that
a lot of times plaque is being able to, plaque buildup can be
reversed, you know, and again, that goes back to what I was
telling you with like heart disease being so problematic in

(36:28):
my family. So it's like, I would love to,
you know, be able to keep banging that drum.
And and to that end, like I'm really excited to see where the
recent Alzheimer's studies are going to wind up in a decade.
You know, Dean Ornish here is now positing that the early
stage amyloid plaques in the brain are able to be reversed

(36:51):
with diet and lifestyle intervention.
So let's let's see that, you know, study some more, right?
Can we have some more groundbreaking research in that
arena, right. And, and I think that that's,
that's pretty cool. And so those are things that I
take with me, but then they're also things that I'm very much
going to be keeping an eye on in, in the future too 'cause I,
I just think it's, it's fascinating.

(37:12):
And, you know, here we are, you know, spending billions and
trillions of dollars on very advanced, very cool, like
medical research on how to treatthese horrific diseases.
But wouldn't it be just a kick in the pants if at the end of
the day, it boiled down to diet and lifestyle?
And that's as simple as it, it could be, right?

(37:34):
No prescription needed. I that to me just, it makes me
laugh for, you know, goodness sakes, it makes me laugh.
Yeah, something that I'm known for saying in my house in
amongst my my people is very similar to what you just said.
So you know, someone will have aproblem, you name it, whether
it's GI acne, period cramps, whatever it is, and I will

(37:58):
immediately say let's look at your diet or let's maybe tweak
something and cut out the dairy.And people will come at me and
say it's not that simple. And I say, yes, it is.
It actually is that simple because to me, it is the
simplest experiment. You didn't have to go to a
doctor's appointment. You didn't have to have a

(38:20):
referral. You didn't have to get a
prescription, wait for it to runits course and kick in.
You actually could try eating better, like now.
Yeah. So I I think it is that simple.
Yeah, and again, like nothing's going to make you bulletproof.
And certainly we, we still need those medical advances, but I

(38:41):
would just love to see diet and,and, and lifestyle interventions
become the frontline, the first line of defense.
And I think it's the. Simplest. 1st.
Right. Start there.
We're not saying it's going to like 100% guarantee that it's
going to clear up everything that ails you, but dag on it.
You know, you got a pretty good shot.
Right What? What if it what if it did?

(39:02):
What if your acne cleared up with cutting out dairy and not
accutane? What if you could not be
debilitated in bed with menstrual cramps instead of
taking Motrin after Motrin afterMotrin I'm.
Just saying what? If.
What if? That is that's to me.

(39:23):
I I do break it down and say I'mnot trying to simplify that
every cancer and every stroke could have been avoided with
diet, lifestyle, but what what if that were the first approach?
Yeah, we try all these other treatments and they don't work.

(39:43):
But somehow, like, we're so opposed to this simple solution,
right? And so it's like, come on, guys.
I know people are so married to their way of living, way of
eating. That's tough.
So in addition to all the different pieces of wisdom that
you've gotten from Doctor Barnard and Doctor B and all the

(40:04):
different. Practitioners you bring on the
show, you also interview real people and and people who have
these really profound stories, people that I'm trying to get on
this show because I'm so inspired by them.
The rubies and you mentioned Maxime and Dotsy, all these
people that you've spoken to. So I know this is like asking

(40:27):
you, you know, to pick a favorite kid, pick a favorite
pet. But do you have any favorite
guests that have maybe my favorite, like the ones that
have completely knocked you on your side with Wow?
I love them all equally. They're all my friends.

(40:47):
That's, that is a tough questionbecause look, everybody brings
something a little bit differentto the table, right?
And everybody's got a different personality, which means that
every person who has come on theshow is able to reach somebody
that hasn't yet been reached on that level.
And so I love to have that kind of variety.
Now, it's in terms of people whoI just click with.

(41:07):
I mean, obviously Doctor B is myboy, right?
That's my ride or die right there.
I love me some Doctor Will Bolsowitz, the Pharaoh of Fiber,
the Prince of Poop, the Duke of Dunk.
Give him a name. I've given him plenty.
I love it every time. Yeah, man.
And and so I love him Maxim AdamSudd, whose story, you know,
resonates with me so much as well, you know, and then there

(41:31):
are guys that you know, you can just Shuck and jive with.
You know, Gregor is you know, he's a he can be a character,
right? And and so like.
He's amazing. Yeah, we can get goofy with with
him on the show no problem. And I just I like people who are
able to be themselves. Lee Crosby, a dietitian that
used to be with us at the physicians committee.
If go back and listen to her earlier episodes.

(41:53):
Man, I love her to death. And and obviously, you know,
Neil working with Doctor Barnard, you know, he's a lot of
fun too. Like, I love talking, you know,
Formula One racing with him off the mic, you know, and it's,
it's just like I'm, I'm buildingrelationships with people and,
and making friends and, and learning that these people are

(42:13):
more than just, you know, fruitsand vegetable, you know, hippie,
you know, nutrition nuts. These are just the regular
people who also happen to have apassion for, you know, healthy
eating. And it's it's really cool to get
to know who that person is beyond their professional
nutrition talk. Yeah, it is pretty awesome.
I feel like I know them all myself, even though I don't yet.

(42:36):
You'll make some introductions for me, I'm sure.
Putting me on the spot, aren't we?
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm just putting that out there,planting that seed, if you will.
Manifest trucks going to book everybody on my show.
Yes. Yes, you're now my booking
agent, so that that's OK, This is going to work.
Let me. Know what you need?
I got. You OK?
Thank you. So I believe you said after you

(42:58):
had that conversation with Austin that was like the Switch.
I'm going to try this. It worked for him.
Game on. Yep, what would you say to the
person listening who is flirtingwith making some changes in
their lives? But this whole plant based world

(43:19):
sounds way too extreme. It's not as extreme as you
think. That's The funny thing is, you
know, I really did think it was going to be like this, this
group of just kooky folks, but it's it's not.
I mean, there are people in there that love sports, love
music, love movies, like just they love life, right?

(43:40):
And and so like, it's, it's not tie dye and Birkenstocks guys.
Like, that's not to say that we don't have our fair share.
But that. Right, you know, I'm just
saying, I'm just saying judgement free zone, you know,
but give it a try. And like here's the thing.
It's like you literally have nothing to lose by giving it a
try for a little while, right? And if it sucks and to you it's

(44:02):
just like the drizzling dog dungs, then go back, do what you
were doing right. I would love if you would eat
plant based. But do you Boo?
And and I'm not here to judge. And and so, yeah, just just give
it a whirl. Like see what happens with your
numbers and also know that thereare ways to recreate all of the

(44:23):
cool food that you have fallen in love with your entire life.
Eating this way does not mean giving up your favorite foods.
It just means eating a differentversion of it, using a little
bit different recipe. And I guarantee you it will
taste better to you than what you're eating now.
You can actually taste the food as opposed to just tasting the

(44:44):
salt and the oil and everything that's probably in there.
Oh, Amen. But I'll tell you, I was
terrified of even eating a wrap for the longest time because I
thought that that would trigger me to go back to the burritos at
Taco Bell. I really did.
And and then I'll be damned if Ididn't eat a whole food plant

(45:07):
based wrap. It was just black beans and
rice, you know, lettuce in there, some pico.
And I was like, Oh my God, oh, and a sweet potato.
And I was like, oh man, this is this is really probably not a
good idea, but everybody else isdoing it.
Let me just see. No problem.
And I loved every bite of it. But you know what didn't happen?

(45:28):
I didn't have to find a 24 hour whole food plant based drive
through to go and get one. Like it.
Your brain just operates differently.
It's like, yeah, you can taste the food and you'll really love
it, but you're not going to go bat as crazy if you don't get
it. It's, it's, it's refreshing.
I don't, there's not a better word than that.
It is refreshing for somebody who struggled, you know, with

(45:51):
food addiction for so, so, so many years to be able to not
have those chains put on you and, and be able to eat the
things that you truly enjoy eating and not losing control
over it. It's really pretty damn
incredible. To this day, I get the biggest
kick out of that. Right, I I'm with you 100%
because before I went vegan, I actually owned a home based

(46:15):
bakery. This is pre vegan.
So I prided myself on how many sticks of butter and dozens of
eggs I would use in a day because that was a measure of
how much work I did. So if I went through 48 eggs in
a day, that must have meant I had a big job to do.
So yay for me. And and I had like you had a

(46:38):
history of food addiction, bingeeating.
I had a different preference than you.
I was all sweets and not so muchthe salt and cheese, but I would
literally shut the door. We had a walk in pantry in that
house when I had that business and I would shut the door and
literally closet eat. Like it wasn't metaphorical.

(47:01):
I was in a closet with the door shut by myself.
And it, it was kind of a scary image to reflect back on.
And it is wild to me. It does not miss my attention on
a daily basis that I'm not living like that and that I can
actually have a plant based treat.

(47:23):
You know, I, I'm not 100% whole food plant based.
So I will partake of a Justin's peanut buttercup or unreal or
something, but I can have one and stop and enjoy the taste of
it, appreciate it, and not feel like I need to find the nearest
closet. You know, turn off all the
lights and stuff. My face.

(47:43):
Yeah, man, absolutely. And I remember, gosh, doing
something similar when again, I was still a big 100.3 here in in
DC and there was a subway built into the Shell gas station right
across the street. And I would go there and I would
get like 18 inches of sub every afternoon for, for lunch.

(48:04):
And I would go back to my officethere and literally not just
shut the door, but shut and lockthe door and, and eat there.
Because like, I was so ashamed that, you know, I was eating 18
inches of sandwich plus chips and probably a couple diet
mountain dews and just like completely gorging.
But you know, I felt also like Ihad to eat that much.

(48:27):
I, I don't know, because like, that's the only way I would be
satisfied. And, and there was a lot of
shame, but like, I just couldn'timagine eating all that food
with the door open and, you know, having people, you know,
walk by and judge and like, you want to talk and like seeing
like 2 sub wrappers, like sitting out on the desk and, and

(48:47):
two bags of Doritos or whatever.It's just like, I, I didn't want
to deal with that. So you just shut the door, you
hide, you do what you're going to do, and then you go about
your day. You know, I've heard your story
about going through Taco Bell and having the cashier shame you
and you're saying like, Oh no, it's for the guys back at the
office. I, I mean, I've done the same
things. Like we, we used to buy the

(49:09):
Costco size bags of M&M's and other candy items because I
would use them legitimately in my business, but also the family
would partake of them and they would disappear quicker than
they should have for the amount of work that I was doing.
And my husband would say, God, didn't we just get that bag from

(49:31):
Costco? And I'm like, yeah, I don't
know. God, our kids must be sneaking
in here. And I mean the people I would
like you Must be. You must be having more than you
realize. Yep.
Jenny, look in the mirror. Dude, Oh, you put it on the
kids. That reminds me of the time that

(49:51):
Heathcliff Huxtable on The CosbyShow back in the day broke the
mug and tried to blame it on thekids.
You know, for shame. But I totally understand at the
same time. Like, I get it.
I get it at the same time. I'm apologizing publicly.
It's embarrassing the things we do in the name of our
addictions. Yeah, I got you.

(50:12):
Yeah, so I, I just want to send a little love out there to all
the people who think, Nope, I this is what I've always done.
This is, this is my hidden secretive behavior.
And I just, I don't know how to knock it.
Try a sweet potato. Sweet potatoes are the ticket.
Man, I love me some sweet potatoes.
I do, I do. I just had a couple of purple

(50:33):
ones the other day. Yeah.
Do you've seen the purple sweet potatoes?
I have, I've had them. They, they're sweet.
I like them, very, very much like them.
And they've got that different nutrient profile too, you know,
probably. Some more and they feel.
Fancy. I know it's a purple potato.
It is fancy, yeah. They do feel fancy.

(50:54):
Gosh, Chuck, I don't I don't really want to say goodbye to
you, but let me ask you, do you have a first step that you would
tell someone if they're afraid to jump completely into the
plant based pool? Is there a like a first baby
step that you think is is an easy entry point?

(51:17):
Yeah, I'd like the advice that has been given a number of times
on the show and it's it's actually 2 fold.
Like #1 is like just kind of be confident and giving it a whirl.
But #2 if you're not the kind ofperson that will go all in
overnight, that's OK. So just start by replacing one

(51:39):
meal a day with a completely plant based version and just
start there and then build upon that.
But you have to say like, all right, for one week, I'm going
to start with one meal a day. Week 2, it'll be two.
And then by week three, if you're liking what you know
what's happening and you should be feeling a bit better about,

(52:01):
you know, your health within those 14 days, then by week 3,
you make the switch and see how you do and still remind yourself
that if it's not for you, it's OK.
You're not making a permanent change overnight.
You're just changing overnight and let's see how it goes.
And that is a lot easier for people to swallow when there's

(52:22):
that apprehension doesn't have to be all or nothing overnight.
A lot of people do prefer that route, myself included.
That's just my personality. But give yourself actual like,
hard dates to take things up to that next level while still
knowing that if this is not for you, then it's not for you, you
know? Yeah, yeah.

(52:43):
That's what I tell people to date veganism.
You don't have to get married right away.
And even if you do get married, you can get divorced.
So it it all, you know there's an option for everyone.
Yeah, yeah, I I think so too. So listen, when you're giving
people the vegan pitch, like, doyou get flirty with them as the
name would suggest? Like, like how, how does this

(53:04):
happen? And can you give me flirty vegan
pitch? Sorry to turn the host tables on
you, but you know, live up to the name girl.
Come on. Yeah, yeah, I.
Mean it it is a rebrand, so I'm I'm working into it, but yeah, I
mean it, it is a like will you go out with me vibe of like,
will you try like what do you think?
Let's make eyes at that pasta Primavera.

(53:27):
Oh wow. It doesn't have a meatball.
It's still delicious, you know, I mean, I was just talking to a
friend yesterday who is curious,which is always great.
Be plant curious. And I said, do do you like
vegetables? Do you like the, you know, oh,
mushrooms, pepper, zucchini, eggplant.
Wonderful. OK, so how about having pasta

(53:50):
with vegetables? Pasta.
But I have diabetes. I said, oh, no, you're OK.
Pasta and vegetables. It's take off the meatball, take
off the chicken cutlet, you're fine.
And it was, it was like, you know, the heavens cracked open.
I mean, that the person couldn'tbelieve that is an actual meal

(54:12):
they can eat that's plant based.And I said, yeah, just, you
know, saute your vegetables. If you want to saute the
vegetables in something decadent, fine.
Choose your oil, but skip the butter.
It's a simple swap there. You go, there you go.
Baby steps, baby steps. Yeah.
So. Before I ask my final question,

(54:33):
why don't you tell this audiencewhere they can consume Chuck
content just as I've had the privilege of doing?
Well I wish I could say I've gota cameo account.
So no cameo, no sub stacks yet, but the exam room podcast, So
literally wherever it is that you get your shows, if it's

(54:54):
Spotify, if it's Apple, if it's I don't know what else is out
there there. I heart like there's a gajillion
platforms that you can go to. But yeah, just look for the exam
room by the physicians committee.
That's the important part. And hit that subscribe button.
And then if you want to send me a message on social media, Chuck
Carroll, WLC across the board, XInsta, Facebook, that's me.

(55:15):
And I love talking to to people and having conversations.
So come on out and say hi. So I I recently took a a a vegan
coaching course and Doctor FrankSabatino was one of our guest
lectures and I started listeningto the podcast he recommended
and I was very surprised to hearsome episodes with Chuck

(55:36):
Carroll. Oh was this the NHA podcast?
Yes. OK.
I was like, what's he doing here?
I mean, I got asked and so I waslike, yeah, I was like, I'd be
honored to do. I love the NHAI, love the
Hubermans, Mark and Wanda. Like they're great.
Frank is a great guy too. So yeah, it was, it was a lot of
fun to do another show for a change, you know, just to keep

(56:00):
the chops, you know, nice right there.
Keep the skills set. And Maxim was also a guest host
on that show too. So it's, it's, it's, it's been
good to mix it up for me. Not that there's anything wrong
with exam room on repeat, but I,I do a little swap back and
forth, which is nice. Keep my brain working, always.

(56:21):
I'm sure there are others that you listen to as well and it's
OK I. Know, I know, but believe me,
there are more episodes of The Exam Room that I have forwarded
to other people than you would believe.
Thank you. Yeah, it's amazing.
So keep up the good work there. But the final question is and
and yeah, you got to rack your brain on this one.

(56:42):
What is or are you can you can do 1.
You could do several favorite meals, snacks, or beverages that
you would recommend to the listeners.
All right, so this is kind of low hanging fruit.
Pardon the pond. So yes, big fan of Coffee black.

(57:03):
I recommend that to any and everybody right down to
kindergarteners now. So I, I framed this a little bit
differently though, because so many people, especially when
they're just getting started, they're like, well, I don't, you
know, I don't know what to do and I don't have a lot of time.
What, you know, is there any frozen foods that you could
recommend? Boom, go and get you some

(57:24):
Bluesones Kitchen frozen meals. I have found, at least in my
local grocery store, these things are forever on sale and,
and like I, I love that so I, I buy them in bulk and then also,
you know, my buddy Rick Hustleston, you know, he's got
light strong and all of his stuff is, is really good too.
And so and keep it simple. Those are the two cleanest ones

(57:46):
that I know of. And, and I think that if you
just stock up on the soups, the,the cereals, the, the Chili's
like you're going to be in, in pretty good shape.
And then, you know, for snack, like there's nothing wrong with,
with popcorn, you know, just don't load it up with butter at
all. And, and like, that's pretty
good. And, and for the love of Pearl,

(58:08):
if you want to keep it super simple, one of my favorite meals
to this day is when I was just getting going and didn't know
what I was going to do. Take sweet potato, steamed
broccoli and some beans. More often than not, black
beans, you just drizzle a littlebit of hot sauce on top and
that's it, man, Keep it simple. It goes back to what we were
talking about earlier. Just keep it simple, you know,

(58:29):
And so that's the easy stuff, you know, I could bore you with.
Oh, well, I also like to make myown bowls with a bunch of
roasted vegetables and greens and grains, you know, like if
you're just getting going, nobody has time for that.
Like just get the frozen stuff and you know, see where life
takes you. Yeah, it's crazy.
I was just having coffee with a friend today who said, all

(58:50):
right, quick, give me something that I could feed my family
tonight. And I rolled off a bunch of
ideas. I said, you know, we've been
conditioned to either that standard plate of grilled
chicken, broccoli, baked potato,or the elaborate like multi
step, multi pot. So much to clean and prep.

(59:11):
I said legit. What's in my fridge is I batch
cook brown rice, there's whatever vegetables in the
drawer and a container of hummus.
That's what goes that that's what's going on my plate.
I. Am into that.
Hummus is its own food group, isit not?
I did hear you talk to someone recently about it.

(59:32):
Might not have been a recent episode when you talked about
the were you talking about the black bean hummus?
Oh, that's a total game changer.Absolutely.
Yeah, man, that's good stuff, dude.
Black bean hummus, roasted red pepper hummus, garlic hummus.
Like all the hummus. Just keep bringing it, man.
Just keep bringing. Bring back up the truck of
hummus at this house. Truck O hummus.

(59:55):
Right. I love that.
That's a good visual. I love it.
Well, Chuck, thank you so much. I will have all the links in the
show notes. I'm so grateful to you.
I wish you the best of luck on your health recovery journey and
with the show. Just keep doing what you're
doing. I will, and you, you as well.
So I'm honored to have been the 1st guest on The Flirty Vegan

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and my wife will be very proud to know that to host and not
flirt with me once. So thank.
You. No, I, I, it was, it was
restraint at its finest. And I should also say Happy
Thanksgiving, because that's on the horizon.
Well, happy Thanksgiving to you and yours as well.
How amazing was that? I mean, I have been listening to

(01:00:38):
Chuck for years now, and to be able to have him in the Zoom
room with me face to face havinga very personal conversation
about his journey. Wow.
That's all I can say. So I want to now bring you the
key takeaways from this conversation.
They used to be called Notes from the Sidelines when the show
was called Sideline Sisters. But now these key takeaways are

(01:01:00):
going to be labeled The Juicy Bits.
So I hope you like that. I shall now reveal the juicy
bits from today's conversation. Number one, fear is a powerful
motivator. It's what brought Chuck to a
plant based diet and it might bring you to 1 as well.
If you are afraid of presenting with a chronic disease #2 the

(01:01:24):
one Nacho theory, you can't havejust one.
Let's face it, junk food is addictive.
That's why it's called junk food.
Come on, it makes you feel like a junkie #3 dieting isn't fun.
But the goal is to keep it simple.
And while protein is important, we really need to be focused on
fiber. And if you eat a wide variety of
plants, and by plants we're talking fruits, vegetables,

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beans, legumes, whole grains, nuts and seeds, you will get all
the nutrients you need #4 you can struggle and still perform
at a high level. So just because you're sick or
dealing with an illness or set back, it doesn't mean your life
is over. As they said in Shawshank
Redemption, get busy living or get busy dying #5 it is so cool

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that plaque buildup can be. Reversed.
Number six, plant based eating is not extreme.
You can recreate all the cool food you've grown up with all
those traditional recipes just as a different conversion number
7, and you'll finally taste the food and love it.
And you won't be plagued with crazy cravings for more because

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Whole Foods don't trigger those addictive behaviors #8 If you're
not ready to go all in plant based, start by replacing one
meal per day for a week. Then try 2 meals for a week.
Then try all three meals a day for a week.
And if after that week you don'tfeel fantastic enough to stick
with it, all right, you do you, Boo.

(01:02:54):
And finally #9 Chuck's plant based recommendations.
Black coffee, Blue Zone and plant Strong frozen and packaged
meals. Popcorn without the extra salt,
butter, baked sweet potatoes, steamed broccoli, black beans,
and hot sauce. That's an amazing meal.
And let's not forget the incredible category of hummus.

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There are so many varieties available everywhere you shop.
You can even get it in an airport.
Thank you all for listening. I'm so thrilled that you were
here for the premiere episode ofThe Flirty Vegan.
I hope you will check the show notes for Chuck's information as
well as my free video tutorial on how to vegan, veganized fun

(01:03:37):
holiday recipes. And if you are flirting with the
idea of going vegan or vegetarian, you can book a call
with me. That link is in the show notes
as well. And please tell your friends to
subscribe to this show. It is going to be amazing.
The guests that I have lined up for you are out of this world.
So remember, we're now going to every other week.

(01:03:59):
So I will see you right back here the day before Thanksgiving
for my powerful educational conversation with Andrew
Decoriolis. He is the executive director of
an organization called Farm Forward.
It is so fascinating. We will talk about food labels,
humane washing and much more. With a heart full of gratitude.

(01:04:20):
And a fridge full of veggies. I send you peace, love and
chickpeas, ma.

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