October 5, 2023 • 30 mins
0:00 Mind Power and Food Labels
9:48 The Power of Meditation and Biofeedback
17:51 Overcoming Limiting Beliefs and Taking Control
27:49 Rights and Safety in Farming Challenges
Ever thought of how your mind has the power to shape your physical experiences? Well, brace yourself for a revelation as we unravel the astounding link between our thoughts and physical realities. We're taking you through a stimulating journey, starting with the eye-opening Milkshake Experiment that fundamentally changes our understanding of satiety and our relationship with food. Imagine the same milkshake; one labeled low-calorie and another high-calorie, having the same effects on the body. It all boils down to what you believe!
Venturing further into the influence of the mind on our bodies, we explore the practice of meditation and biofeedback. Harvard scientists have found that simply clearing your mind for 15 minutes can alter gene expression and impact inflammation, circadian rhythms, and glucose metabolism. Biofeedback, an intriguing mind-body therapy, could well be the key to changing how our bodies function and boosting our physical and mental well-being. Sounds impressive, doesn't it?
In the last leg of our mind-bending journey, we reflect on how our thoughts, particularly limiting beliefs, and the effects of trauma shape our reality. We also touch on the importance of self-care in maintaining our overall health. Touching on the controversial side of things, we discuss the Dutch agricultural agency's backlash to the burning of a black rock, reminding us that pushing the status quo can have unforeseen consequences. Join us, as we discern the power of the mind and its effects on our daily lives.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bro, when was the last time you had a milkshake?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's been a long time , I know right.
Actually it sounds pretty good.
I know it's been long enough.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It's been a long time .
You need to get it with the rawmilk so you don't feel like
shit.
Yeah, what if I had a milkshakethat was labeled low calorie
and high calorie?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I would probably grab .
Well, usually low calorietastes like crap, exactly I go
for the full fat myself.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah Well, it turns out there's an experiment about
milkshakes and how they'relabeled and how it determines
how satisfied you feel and yourhunger levels afterwards and
actually changes your body andit turns out it doesn't even
matter.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, this is wild.
So today we're talking aboutthe power of the mind.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Which is you know a lot of people get kind of
woo-woo with this.
But you know they want toseparate mind, body, spirit or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But it's all connected.
And today I'm really excitedbecause, bro, when you told me
about the story of the milkshake, I was like that's freaking
cool, we got to talk about that.
Let's talk about it.
All right, let's do it.
Jonathan Noel, I'm Brian Noel.
(01:29):
This is the Focus Cast, wherewe help you reduce distractions,
increase focus so you can livea life with Intention, intention
, intention.
That sounds nice.
So back to this milkshake, yeah, so tell me about it, bro.
All right, milkshake experiment.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I got this off PubMed .
We'll have the link NiceSomewhere.
So this is a test whetherphysiological satiation how
satisfied you feel, as measuredby the gut peptide ghrelin, may
vary depending on the mindset inwhich one approaches
consumption of food.
Ghrelin kind of tells you whenyou want to eat stuff like that
(02:05):
or when you suppress it aftereating, you don't feel like
eating anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Nice Makes sense, right, yeah?
So in this experiment, on twoseparate occasions participants
consumed a 380 calorie milkshakeunder the pretense that it was
either a 620 calorie milkshake,indulgent it was labeled.
Yeah, or a 140 caloriemilkshake Sensible, yeah.
(02:31):
So apparently, in thisexperiment they gave them a 300
calorie milkshake, but one was a620.
One was labeled One was labeled620 and one was labeled 140.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But they were all the same 380 calorie.
So what happened, bro?
All right, so then theymeasured the ghrelin via
intravenous venous blood samplesat three points after 20
minutes, 60 minutes and 90minutes.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And here's what happened.
This is crazy.
Let's hear it, bro.
The mindset of indulgenceproduced a dramatically steeper
decline in ghrelin afterconsuming the shake, whereas the
mindset of sensibility produceda relatively flat ghrelin
response.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, exactly Participants.
Satiety was consistent withwhat they believed they were
consuming rather than the actualnutritional value of what they
consumed.
So you just saw it on the label.
You said this is an indulgentmega shake and you felt fuller
and more satisfied, are you?
(03:41):
The satiety was how the fuck dothey?
The ghrelin response was more,was stronger.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, so mindset meaningfully affects
physiological responses to food.
Imagine that the power of themind.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This is why we talk about if you want to start
eating healthier.
You can't obsess about like oh,I ate two Oreos, now I'm going
to die, yeah, cause then you'rejust making it so much worse
than actually eating Oreos Likehaving a bowl of ice cream at
night you know, you can sitthere and be like man.
I'm a piece of shit.
This is horrible for me, allthe sugar you know, doing way
(04:24):
more of a disservice than justbeing like then if you just ate
that bowl of, ice cream andgleefully went to bed and you
said hey, I deserve this.
You know this is a little treatthat I earned.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, Well, since we've been drinking raw milk and
I, I love milk- but, I, haven'thad milk for years because
pasteurized milk destroy yourstomach.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, it's just gross .
It doesn't taste good.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, it doesn't.
Um raw milk tastes so good.
It's completely differentexperience.
So I have me a little glass ofmilk at night and it just warms
my belly, isn't it great?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh my gosh.
When I go to Nellie and and andAndrew's, I'm like I felt like
I was snitching for a second rawmilk.
Uh, when I go hang out with myfriends and Ellie and Andrew
they always have the raw milkand I'm like fuck, gotta get a
glass while I'm here and it's sogood.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's why you and I look in people's fridges every
time we go to their house justto see if they got that raw milk
.
Then I know who they are.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm like okay this is a safe space instead of that
low fat, oh, ultra pasteurizedeven if you're drinking regular
pasteurized milk, if it's like1% or skim, it's like it's like
Milky water.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
This exactly was so gross Anyway.
So yeah, pretty cool experiment.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So what you?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
believe to be true about the food changes your
perception of how muchconsumption and how full you are
.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
This is what I imagine when you grow your own
food.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You know, because I've grown some food for myself,
not shit loads, but when youeat it there is that kind of
like you look at it differentand you feel more satisfied and
you're like wow, you know, everybite is like this something I
grew kind of thing, and you feelreally satiated.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, it's a pretty interesting reality of
how many times do we as humanbeings, especially Americans,
eat and feel guilty for thatmeal?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Depending on the person, could be quite a bit.
Yeah, I don't, because Iunderstand that that's a
negative impact on the bodyoverall.
Yeah, but I think I still dosometimes for the people who are
like hyper strict on theirdiets and stuff, you know, and
then they slip up and they beatthemselves up.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Fuck, yeah, yeah, what the Some soup just came up.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Speaking of indulgent , so if you label broccoli as
indulgent, as indulgent, superhigh calorie, indulgent broccoli
will you be more satisfied whenit's over?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I don't know, because if you do it yourself, is that
different than?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
having someone else change the label and you being
part of an experiment or no, ofcourse you can look at it
different.
Yeah.
So our next example of thepower of the mind is the placebo
effect.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, this is a classic which we're all familiar
with.
Yeah, everyone knows that whenthey're testing new drugs, you
have to have a placebo group.
Yeah, you know, and I don'tknow why people get all woo woo
Like you can't change thingswith your mind, because it
fucking exists for a reason.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's, and they've been doing this for years.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Years.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
They've been testing the placebo effect forever.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, a placebo is used in clinical trials to test
the effect effectiveness oftreatments and is most often
used in drug studies.
For instance, people in onegroup get the actual drug, while
the others receive an inactivedrug or placebo.
The participants in theclinical trial don't know if
they receive the real thing orthe placebo.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And oftentimes or sometimes, a person can have a
response to the placebo.
The response can be positive ornegative.
For instance, the person'ssymptoms may improve or the
person may have what appears tobe side effects from the
treatment.
These responses are known asthe placebo effect.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, so I can give you a sugar pill and I can show
you that the side effects likethis might cause heart pain and
fucking diarrhea or whatever.
Yeah, and if you're part ofthat group, you might have some
of the side effects from thesugar pill.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Isn't that amazing I mean it really is the power of
the power of the mind into yourpoint, like for people who are,
like you know, holistic medicineor meditation for healing, and
they're like, oh, that wouldnever work, like I don't believe
in that.
But yet the placebo effect has,like been part of drug trials
(08:51):
forever, yeah, that's just kindof funny.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's pretty funny, you know, and there's people who
Like are you thinking aboutyour inner dialogue?
Yeah you know, you know you, sowe're gonna act like you're
gonna act like the placeboeffect exists, where you can
take a pill that has nothing init and give yourself symptoms.
You know, shit like that, butthat your inner dialogue doesn't
matter when you're sittingthere like calling yourself a
(09:16):
piece of shit, or are you'reangry all the time Like yeah, as
if this isn't having any effecton you.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, so I'm thinking about Doing a Very intentional
meditation round through fastingwhere I meditate on my body
healing itself and I justliterally focus on that to the
(09:44):
best of my ability, yeah, forlike a month, and that's great.
And like, take different partsof the body Every meditation
session, yeah, and focus on thattotally.
I think that would be cool, Ithink that'd be great.
I'm gonna try that try it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What else we got?
All right mindfulness, speakingof which mindfulness and
meditation.
Oh wow, I don't even knowthat's next to even though
Humans have been doing thissince fucking forever.
Yeah, you know, since we're inthe United States, we've got to
wait for Harvard to tell us soHarvard scientists have come up
with evidence that the mere actof Clearing your mind for 15
(10:22):
minutes each day actually altershow your genes operate.
Wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So a new study indicates the people who
meditated over an eight-weekperiod had a striking change in
the expression of 172 genes thatregulate inflammation.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Circadian rhythms.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Oh yeah, circadian rhythms and glucose metabolism.
So literally, okay, cool.
So inflammation, circadianrhythms, which is sleep, right
or no?
That's heart your heart rhythms.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
No, your circadian rhythm is, yeah, the Sun, waking
up with the Sun and go on thebed when it's dark.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, so your sleep patterns and you're awake
patterns right, and then yourglucose metabolism.
Wow and that, in turn, waslinked to a meaningful decrease
in blood pressure.
Yeah, from Harvard that edu.
Bam bam changes your whole body.
Isn't that amazing.
Just to focus on, just clearingyour mind for 15 minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know what gets me ?
Humans have been doing thisforever, but they've got a
fucking grant money To do thisstudy.
This is like this is like measking for five million dollars
to get a grant to see if waterkeeps you alive when you drink
it.
Some dumb shit like that yeahthis is what kills me about this
(11:36):
the science.
Yeah, that's pretty funny, it'spretty stupid, but you know
what?
That's great that they did thisstudy and it's great that you
now we know it's.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You have an expression of just two dudes in
a podcast.
Yeah it's a Harvard study, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
We don't need.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know all the Buddhists and all the Chinese
and the Taoist and thousands ofyears, all the cultures that
have been meditating Sincefucking humans were alive, since
we were in the cave we.
Needed Harvard we neededHarvard.
So, anyway, that's Great.
So next we've got bio feedback.
This was kind of cool.
You know, we talked aboutbiohacking.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, you know, if you put bio in front of it
itself, right, maybe we?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
should call this bio focus.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Bio, the bio focus podcast.
I'm gonna say me a bio dump.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So bio feedback is an alternative medicine approach
that teaches people to changethe way their bodies function.
It is a mind-body therapy thatmay improve your physical and
mental health.
That's by Cleveland clinic.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah.
So what they do during thesesessions?
They put on the, the monitoringequipment, and they measure
your body's functions and, basedon feedback from the
instruments, the practicepractitioners suggest how you
create physiological changes andwith education and practice,
you can learn to make thesebodily changes without the
equipment.
(12:55):
This is the same shit,basically, as meditating I
almost had to put it near.
But you regulate your breath,yeah, and you do certain things
and you look at the response.
So it's this is almost justanother term for Meditating like
breath work, yeah, shit likethat.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, what's really other things humans have been
doing since forever.
Yeah, but this concept ofMeditating on your body healing
yeah, you can meditate onanything, yeah, but like these
studies show that that actuallyheals your body, which is
amazing, yeah, yeah.
(13:32):
I mean, I feel like, um, youknow, in our therapy sessions
when we do EMDR and we go backto a traumatic memory or a
traumatic emotion attached to amemory.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And then, um, you go back to that age.
So my therapist is always likehow low does that feel, you know
?
And I'll say like five.
And then she's like okay, as a41 year old, what do you want to
tell that five year old?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, Based on what you know now right.
Everything's okay, or you'resafe, or you're loved, or you
know all that kind of stuff andum.
But that's literally my brain,uh, one part of my brain, which
is my now logical thinking brain, going back to this emotional
brain, which is the other sideto the memory, to the memory,
(14:24):
and then through meditating,through narrative Reattaching, a
positive emotion to thatexperience.
Yeah, right, yeah, so likewise,like this biofeedback around,
like it's funny, we um on someof our content we don't get, you
(14:48):
know, a lot of comments yetbecause we don't have like a
million followers.
But I remember when we postedthat one episode on um and we
talked about how you know theknee when your knees bad, and if
you sit there and talk aboutAbba, bad knee, and why would
you ever say a part of your bodyis bad?
Cause your body, like, doeseverything it can to serve you.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And like we actually got a lot of comments on that
quote, with people saying likethat's dumb, that's dumb.
They're like oh your cancer isnot your body trying to kill you
, or inflammation is not yourbody trying to kill you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And I was just, I was honestly, I mean it doesn't
surprise me, but I was actuallykind of surprised that, like
people just generally hate theirbodies for some reason, yeah.
Or they've convinced themselvesthat their bodies are terrible
or suck or ugly or they justdon't like themselves and just
don't like themselves.
Yeah, which you're right.
(15:42):
A lot of that probably comesfrom past trauma.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, absolutely, but it's weird, but everything,
basically it all comes from pasttrauma and conditioning, from
society and school and all that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And parents, whatever .
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
So you know you can't say that your thoughts don't
affect your experience in lifeand your and everything.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Your brain literally changes whether you think you're
full or not based on the label.
Your brain.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can literally have the side effects from a
drug when you don't even take,when you take a sugar pill.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's how powerful the brain is.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
How powerful the brain is, and then people want
to act like it doesn't matter.
You know you can't be in both.
Yeah, I mean, unless you justwant to be like clueless or
oblivious yeah.
You know, if you say my fuckingsame thing with your knees have
bad knees I have a bad back.
I have a bad back.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
There's nothing I can do about it.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, you're right, because youfucking tell yourself, because
you tell yourself every singleday.
There's no hope.
Yeah there's nothing, no onecan hurt.
That can help you, yeah, man.
So anyway, that's basically thewhole point of the episode.
I think it's like, how do yousit on both sides?
(17:02):
Yeah, don't, you can't be thereand say that the shit doesn't
matter and does matter at thesame time.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think it's perfectly acceptable in this
moment to say maybe I was wrong,it matters, and I think what's
really cool I know for me when Iread stuff like this is really
being introspective andanalyzing every single thought,
(17:30):
especially the negative ones.
Thought audit, Thought audit.
Whoa bro, that was good.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But really really be intentional about every single
negative thought.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, it might be exhausting at first.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, it might be a lot of negative thoughts, but
what else?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I mean, how would you expect to grow, yeah, and
really understand yourself?
Yeah, I mean, you really justwant to walk around and be
basically subservient to allyour past traumas and
conditionings, all yourconditioning, and let all that
subconscious stuff controleverything you do?
Yeah, and you just aimlesslydrift as a person with no
(18:13):
control, yeah, and then you're avictim.
Everything happens to you.
I have bad luck.
I always hit the red light.
I never get this, never worksout.
Yeah, sounds horrible.
That's not how I'm going tolive.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So this is funny, not funny.
So for the person who's like inthis state right, and they're
just constantly like constantly,just everything sucks.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
They're saying fuck you right now to you and I.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So then what's funny is like, let's just be very
direct, right For a moment.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, well, go for it .
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So you live in that state and you work in a company
and you never get the promotion.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Why the?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
fuck.
Do you think you deserve apromotion if you're a miserable
person and you're miserable tobe around and nothing ever works
and everything is against you?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah.
Who would want to work for you?
Who wants to hire?
Who wants to?
Who wants to promote thatperson?
Yeah.
Who wants to promote and bringsomeone up the ranks?
Who is just going to bringeveryone else?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
down.
It's like hey, I see howmiserable you are, I'm going to
put 20 more people under you soyou can make more people
miserable.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, but it's not that, it's not their fault.
Everything is you know you haveto start the work.
You have to start the innerwork.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, but to your point, the beautiful part of all
this is you can be healed.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, absolutely, that's that's, you can release
all this shit.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, fuck, yeah, you can fuck yeah and you can crush
it absolutely and you can behappy, yeah, and you can feel
good.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What's amazing is there's been times in my life
where I just did not feel smart,yeah.
And there's been times where Ifelt fucking like in school.
Everything was easy.
I'm not trying to sound cool,but I didn't have to try that
hard, yeah.
And then when you smoke a lotof weed and you drink a lot and
you eat like shit and you don'tsleep.
Yeah and you do that for acouple years, then all of a
(20:33):
sudden you're like Wait a minute, I used to be able to think
straight.
Now I'm like slow.
Yeah and I thought I was.
I was like am I dumb?
Now, well, turns out, there areconsequences for your actions,
but you can reverse it all.
You can reverse it all.
So no, I don't really smokeanymore.
Yeah, less booze, less bullshitfood.
Now I feel better than I'veever felt.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What's a B word for marijuana?
Is there one Blunts, lessblunts, less booze less blunts,
less booze, bullshit, yeah, soboom.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, there's times where you just might feel like
it's impossible, it's all fuckedup, I'm not good enough, I'm
not this, I'm not that, but youcan't push through.
It's not necessarily alwayseasy, yeah, but you have to
start dropping off the shit, youknow yeah, that's a good point
that you know is not serving youlike is staying up till four in
the morning, drinking everynight, serving you?
Probably not, probably not.
Is you start with the big onesand then you work down to like
(21:32):
the the more subtle ones?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But I think people are capable, most people.
Everyone everyone's capable ofa lot.
Yeah of a fuckload.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I agree with that 100%.
You have to get out your ownway sometimes anyway, but I
threw some examples on here ofhow just you can think about
something and have aPhysiological response.
Yes, it's the power of the mind.
So yeah, it's funny when Brianand I camp together, he always
imagines someone Murdering us inour sleep every time and you
know what I'd never do on thefirst night sleep, sleep.
How's your heart rate Feel whenyou think about?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
that I'm sitting there laying in my cot.
My heart's racing, yeah, andI'm thinking through all the
scenarios.
Yeah when I think through themost is when I fall asleep.
Someone just starts stabbing methrough the tent, over and over
in my back, yeah, and by thetime I figure out what's going
on, I can't even move, becausemy kidneys are Probably yeah,
(22:29):
punctured yeah I.
Think about that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So that's fucking wild.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And then by night too .
I'm so tired I don't thinkabout any of that.
Yeah, go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah so, but it's funny that you can sit there and
like relive a past thing, oryou can think about these crazy
scenarios and your heart rategoes up.
I've never the adrenalinestarts going and this is there's
no, there's no bear, there's nomurderer.
Yeah you're just literallythinking about it and you can
cause an adrenaline spike.
Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You can do all this shit just some just making up,
making up a story.
Yeah, I've never been stabbedin the woods.
I've never almost been stabbedin the woods.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I've never even been around.
Anyone who knows a person who'sever been stabbed in the woods?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yes, and based on statistics, the likelihood of
being murdered in the woods isfar less than driving Flying.
Yeah, a TV falling on me.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, tv.
That used to matter when theywere the big two, yeah, but now
it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, it's true, because I did read the stat that
more people die from TVsfalling on them than shark
attacks.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But Back in the day, when TVs were like 400 pounds
river the big, like the firstbig screens.
There was like a fucking.
It was like a that's like aScaffolding, like, look like a
look at a billboard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's basically a billboard.
You had to plan your furniturewhen you bought that TV.
You had a.
You had a tube out for us onthat shit.
Anyway, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah.
So I mean, is there really asolution?
I just pretty much read.
There are intentions and thethings we say in our minds.
I think it matter.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Another good example is like when your boss is like
hey, I want to talk to you atthe end of the day.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Oh, here we go, yeah, and then?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
all day.
You're just like what did I do?
What did I do?
What did I do?
I'm gonna get fired, I'm gonnaget fired, I'm gonna get fired,
I'm gonna get fired.
You have panic attack and youget.
The end of the boss is like hey, I forgot to do that thing,
will you do that tomorrow?
And you're like or when theysay that, right, when you're
going home, and then like hey,I'd like to talk to you in the
morning when you come in.
Can you come in a little early?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, and then you go home.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You can't do anything .
You're like, oh no, somethingbig is happening, something big.
You're mean to your family,you're in your head, yeah, and
you get the office.
And he forgot.
Yeah, are you sick that day.
That's why I do tell peoplethat, as a coach, I tell anyone
and everyone as a leader, bevery careful in how you provide
(24:54):
Feedback and how you communicatelike that, because that shit
matters.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah good boss wouldn't do that they wouldn't
understand, or they couldpreface it with hey, it's
nothing big.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Tell them what it's about?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I just say it's a quick meeting about some
small thing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, like I want to get your feedback on the meeting
you were in last week.
I wasn't in.
Can you come in early?
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, we're downsizing.
Hey, we're downsizing.
Let's have a meeting tomorrowmorning.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so anyway, yeah, it's good stuff.
So the solution is, man, likewe said, just be introspective
and aware.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, you can't live in a world where you think that
the body and the mind are someseparate things.
Yeah, I mean and thenunderstand that you can use your
mind, you can meditate andactivate genes that reduce
inflammation and yeah and bloodpressure and all this, and that
you can take a pill, a sugarpill, and give yourself the one
(25:52):
that I struggle with is the endof the world.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Not like the actual end of the world, but like the
next the end of our world.
That, yeah, the end of theworld as we know it right the
next pandemic.
But they push a little harder,you know yeah all that kind of
shit, like like no internet forSix months, no food supply for
two months.
Yeah, no, you know, power gridgoes out and it's 20 degrees
(26:18):
outside.
How do I keep my family warm?
Like that kind of stuff.
That's the one that I can slipinto like becoming severely
anxious.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Having the family changes that yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
yeah, visualizing you watching your kids freeze or
starve to death Brutal is tough,yeah, so Well, all we can be is
more self-sufficient.
Yeah, which isn't very easybecause there's laws against
that.
So I can't even have fuckingchickens unless I have two acres
in God County.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, it's bullshit.
Yeah, can you?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
have solar?
Can I sue the county to saythat's unconstitutional?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's playing their game.
What does that mean?
That's playing the game as theyYou're playing.
If you play the game Like them,you don't win.
Yeah, right, you can't sue thefederal government, right?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
but I can sue the local government for encroaching
on Citizen rights.
Yeah go try it.
I think I will.
I'm gonna sue Cobb CountyBecause they tell me I can't
have chickens.
I'm gonna see if that works.
Yeah actually I'm not gonna suethem.
I'm gonna call a couple lawyersand see if they would even pick
(27:40):
up that case.
They'll be like, sure man, 50grand you might know work, but
I'll try.
Yeah, if you could change onelaw.
The only problem is, like thesecond, you do that and then,
like Everyone in the countyknows where you live.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
All of a sudden they start showing up and they're
like uh, this is against code,You're gonna have to update this
.
Yeah and you know, all of asudden, these random things
start happening.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, you know you're on the pulled over a lot more
on the county watch list.
Yeah, like, oh, we've got acitizen Trying to, you know,
exercise the rights exercisetheir rights.
You can't have that you can'thave that trying to kill an
unjust law.
We've got a hey, we've got aradical extremist he wants,
(28:27):
chickens he wants fresh chickeneggs.
He's a danger to society.
Look at this fucking guy.
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I saw one of the Senate committees and they were
talking about how we'vecompletely and utterly destroyed
farmers, local farmers,intentionally over time over the
past 50 years, and they saidthe guy made up a great point.
I wish I remembered his name,anyway.
And he said um, how in theworld do we live in a society
(29:02):
that this is the point he made?
I can Kill livestock and giveit to my friends, but the second
I charge them for it.
It's quote unsafe by the FDA.
Yep, it's not unsafe if yougive it away.
It's only unsafe when you makemoney.
It's only unsafe when you sellit.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So the way he articulated that argument and
the difference between safetyand monetization was brilliant.
Yeah, smart guy.
But what the fuck's gonnachange Until we start getting a
bunch of tractors and spraymanure France style, france time
they, we go, france I know,those are Dutch.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Those Dutch, I don't know.
France.
I'm doing some crazy shit overthe past six for them.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh, france burnt down a black rock.
You know, the Dutch were theones.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I think that spray them in your and the
agricultural Agency.
I think it is possible to pushtoo far.
And then eventually there'sgonna be some kind of there's me
some blowback, rightfully so.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, there's only so much we can take.
Yeah, anyway, the power of themind.
That being said, let's roll,let's roll.
Bro, when was the last time you had a milkshake?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It's been a long time , I know right.
Actually it sounds pretty good.
I know it's been long enough.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
It's been a long time .
You need to get it with the rawmilk so you don't feel like
shit.
Yeah, what if I had a milkshakethat was labeled low calorie
and high calorie?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
I would probably grab .
Well, usually low calorietastes like crap, exactly I go
for the full fat myself.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Yeah Well, it turns out there's an experiment about
milkshakes and how they'relabeled and how it determines
how satisfied you feel and yourhunger levels afterwards and
actually changes your body andit turns out it doesn't even
matter.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, this is wild.
So today we're talking aboutthe power of the mind.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Which is you know a lot of people get kind of
woo-woo with this.
But you know they want toseparate mind, body, spirit or
whatever.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But it's all connected.
And today I'm really excitedbecause, bro, when you told me
about the story of the milkshake, I was like that's freaking
cool, we got to talk about that.
Let's talk about it.
All right, let's do it.
Jonathan Noel, I'm Brian Noel.
(01:29):
This is the Focus Cast, wherewe help you reduce distractions,
increase focus so you can livea life with Intention, intention
, intention.
That sounds nice.
So back to this milkshake, yeah, so tell me about it, bro.
All right, milkshake experiment.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I got this off PubMed .
We'll have the link NiceSomewhere.
So this is a test whetherphysiological satiation how
satisfied you feel, as measuredby the gut peptide ghrelin, may
vary depending on the mindset inwhich one approaches
consumption of food.
Ghrelin kind of tells you whenyou want to eat stuff like that
(02:05):
or when you suppress it aftereating, you don't feel like
eating anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Nice Makes sense, right, yeah?
So in this experiment, on twoseparate occasions participants
consumed a 380 calorie milkshakeunder the pretense that it was
either a 620 calorie milkshake,indulgent it was labeled.
Yeah, or a 140 caloriemilkshake Sensible, yeah.
(02:31):
So apparently, in thisexperiment they gave them a 300
calorie milkshake, but one was a620.
One was labeled One was labeled620 and one was labeled 140.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But they were all the same 380 calorie.
So what happened, bro?
All right, so then theymeasured the ghrelin via
intravenous venous blood samplesat three points after 20
minutes, 60 minutes and 90minutes.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
And here's what happened.
This is crazy.
Let's hear it, bro.
The mindset of indulgenceproduced a dramatically steeper
decline in ghrelin afterconsuming the shake, whereas the
mindset of sensibility produceda relatively flat ghrelin
response.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah, exactly Participants.
Satiety was consistent withwhat they believed they were
consuming rather than the actualnutritional value of what they
consumed.
So you just saw it on the label.
You said this is an indulgentmega shake and you felt fuller
and more satisfied, are you?
(03:41):
The satiety was how the fuck dothey?
The ghrelin response was more,was stronger.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, so mindset meaningfully affects
physiological responses to food.
Imagine that the power of themind.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
This is why we talk about if you want to start
eating healthier.
You can't obsess about like oh,I ate two Oreos, now I'm going
to die, yeah, cause then you'rejust making it so much worse
than actually eating Oreos Likehaving a bowl of ice cream at
night you know, you can sitthere and be like man.
I'm a piece of shit.
This is horrible for me, allthe sugar you know, doing way
(04:24):
more of a disservice than justbeing like then if you just ate
that bowl of, ice cream andgleefully went to bed and you
said hey, I deserve this.
You know this is a little treatthat I earned.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Yeah, Well, since we've been drinking raw milk and
I, I love milk- but, I, haven'thad milk for years because
pasteurized milk destroy yourstomach.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, it's just gross .
It doesn't taste good.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, it doesn't.
Um raw milk tastes so good.
It's completely differentexperience.
So I have me a little glass ofmilk at night and it just warms
my belly, isn't it great?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh my gosh.
When I go to Nellie and and andAndrew's, I'm like I felt like
I was snitching for a second rawmilk.
Uh, when I go hang out with myfriends and Ellie and Andrew
they always have the raw milkand I'm like fuck, gotta get a
glass while I'm here and it's sogood.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That's why you and I look in people's fridges every
time we go to their house justto see if they got that raw milk
.
Then I know who they are.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I'm like okay this is a safe space instead of that
low fat, oh, ultra pasteurizedeven if you're drinking regular
pasteurized milk, if it's like1% or skim, it's like it's like
Milky water.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
This exactly was so gross Anyway.
So yeah, pretty cool experiment.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
So what you?
Speaker 2 (05:38):
believe to be true about the food changes your
perception of how muchconsumption and how full you are
.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
This is what I imagine when you grow your own
food.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You know, because I've grown some food for myself,
not shit loads, but when youeat it there is that kind of
like you look at it differentand you feel more satisfied and
you're like wow, you know, everybite is like this something I
grew kind of thing, and you feelreally satiated.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You know, it's a pretty interesting reality of
how many times do we as humanbeings, especially Americans,
eat and feel guilty for thatmeal?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Depending on the person, could be quite a bit.
Yeah, I don't, because Iunderstand that that's a
negative impact on the bodyoverall.
Yeah, but I think I still dosometimes for the people who are
like hyper strict on theirdiets and stuff, you know, and
then they slip up and they beatthemselves up.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Fuck, yeah, yeah, what the Some soup just came up.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Speaking of indulgent , so if you label broccoli as
indulgent, as indulgent, superhigh calorie, indulgent broccoli
will you be more satisfied whenit's over?
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I don't know, because if you do it yourself, is that
different than?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
having someone else change the label and you being
part of an experiment or no, ofcourse you can look at it
different.
Yeah.
So our next example of thepower of the mind is the placebo
effect.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, this is a classic which we're all familiar
with.
Yeah, everyone knows that whenthey're testing new drugs, you
have to have a placebo group.
Yeah, you know, and I don'tknow why people get all woo woo
Like you can't change thingswith your mind, because it
fucking exists for a reason.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It's, and they've been doing this for years.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Years.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
They've been testing the placebo effect forever.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah, a placebo is used in clinical trials to test
the effect effectiveness oftreatments and is most often
used in drug studies.
For instance, people in onegroup get the actual drug, while
the others receive an inactivedrug or placebo.
The participants in theclinical trial don't know if
they receive the real thing orthe placebo.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And oftentimes or sometimes, a person can have a
response to the placebo.
The response can be positive ornegative.
For instance, the person'ssymptoms may improve or the
person may have what appears tobe side effects from the
treatment.
These responses are known asthe placebo effect.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah, so I can give you a sugar pill and I can show
you that the side effects likethis might cause heart pain and
fucking diarrhea or whatever.
Yeah, and if you're part ofthat group, you might have some
of the side effects from thesugar pill.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Isn't that amazing I mean it really is the power of
the power of the mind into yourpoint, like for people who are,
like you know, holistic medicineor meditation for healing, and
they're like, oh, that wouldnever work, like I don't believe
in that.
But yet the placebo effect has,like been part of drug trials
(08:51):
forever, yeah, that's just kindof funny.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
It's pretty funny, you know, and there's people who
Like are you thinking aboutyour inner dialogue?
Yeah you know, you know you, sowe're gonna act like you're
gonna act like the placeboeffect exists, where you can
take a pill that has nothing init and give yourself symptoms.
You know, shit like that, butthat your inner dialogue doesn't
matter when you're sittingthere like calling yourself a
(09:16):
piece of shit, or are you'reangry all the time Like yeah, as
if this isn't having any effecton you.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, that's the whole point.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, so I'm thinking about Doing a Very intentional
meditation round through fastingwhere I meditate on my body
healing itself and I justliterally focus on that to the
(09:44):
best of my ability, yeah, forlike a month, and that's great.
And like, take different partsof the body Every meditation
session, yeah, and focus on thattotally.
I think that would be cool, Ithink that'd be great.
I'm gonna try that try it.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What else we got?
All right mindfulness, speakingof which mindfulness and
meditation.
Oh wow, I don't even knowthat's next to even though
Humans have been doing thissince fucking forever.
Yeah, you know, since we're inthe United States, we've got to
wait for Harvard to tell us soHarvard scientists have come up
with evidence that the mere actof Clearing your mind for 15
(10:22):
minutes each day actually altershow your genes operate.
Wow yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
So a new study indicates the people who
meditated over an eight-weekperiod had a striking change in
the expression of 172 genes thatregulate inflammation.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Circadian rhythms.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Oh yeah, circadian rhythms and glucose metabolism.
So literally, okay, cool.
So inflammation, circadianrhythms, which is sleep, right
or no?
That's heart your heart rhythms.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
No, your circadian rhythm is, yeah, the Sun, waking
up with the Sun and go on thebed when it's dark.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, so your sleep patterns and you're awake
patterns right, and then yourglucose metabolism.
Wow and that, in turn, waslinked to a meaningful decrease
in blood pressure.
Yeah, from Harvard that edu.
Bam bam changes your whole body.
Isn't that amazing.
Just to focus on, just clearingyour mind for 15 minutes.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
You know what gets me ?
Humans have been doing thisforever, but they've got a
fucking grant money To do thisstudy.
This is like this is like measking for five million dollars
to get a grant to see if waterkeeps you alive when you drink
it.
Some dumb shit like that yeahthis is what kills me about this
(11:36):
the science.
Yeah, that's pretty funny, it'spretty stupid, but you know
what?
That's great that they did thisstudy and it's great that you
now we know it's.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
You have an expression of just two dudes in
a podcast.
Yeah it's a Harvard study, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
We don't need.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
You know all the Buddhists and all the Chinese
and the Taoist and thousands ofyears, all the cultures that
have been meditating Sincefucking humans were alive, since
we were in the cave we.
Needed Harvard we neededHarvard.
So, anyway, that's Great.
So next we've got bio feedback.
This was kind of cool.
You know, we talked aboutbiohacking.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, you know, if you put bio in front of it
itself, right, maybe we?
Speaker 2 (12:16):
should call this bio focus.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Bio, the bio focus podcast.
I'm gonna say me a bio dump.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So bio feedback is an alternative medicine approach
that teaches people to changethe way their bodies function.
It is a mind-body therapy thatmay improve your physical and
mental health.
That's by Cleveland clinic.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
Yeah, yeah.
So what they do during thesesessions?
They put on the, the monitoringequipment, and they measure
your body's functions and, basedon feedback from the
instruments, the practicepractitioners suggest how you
create physiological changes andwith education and practice,
you can learn to make thesebodily changes without the
equipment.
(12:55):
This is the same shit,basically, as meditating I
almost had to put it near.
But you regulate your breath,yeah, and you do certain things
and you look at the response.
So it's this is almost justanother term for Meditating like
breath work, yeah, shit likethat.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Well, what's really other things humans have been
doing since forever.
Yeah, but this concept ofMeditating on your body healing
yeah, you can meditate onanything, yeah, but like these
studies show that that actuallyheals your body, which is
amazing, yeah, yeah.
(13:32):
I mean, I feel like, um, youknow, in our therapy sessions
when we do EMDR and we go backto a traumatic memory or a
traumatic emotion attached to amemory.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And then, um, you go back to that age.
So my therapist is always likehow low does that feel, you know
?
And I'll say like five.
And then she's like okay, as a41 year old, what do you want to
tell that five year old?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Yeah, Based on what you know now right.
Everything's okay, or you'resafe, or you're loved, or you
know all that kind of stuff andum.
But that's literally my brain,uh, one part of my brain, which
is my now logical thinking brain, going back to this emotional
brain, which is the other sideto the memory, to the memory,
(14:24):
and then through meditating,through narrative Reattaching, a
positive emotion to thatexperience.
Yeah, right, yeah, so likewise,like this biofeedback around,
like it's funny, we um on someof our content we don't get, you
(14:48):
know, a lot of comments yetbecause we don't have like a
million followers.
But I remember when we postedthat one episode on um and we
talked about how you know theknee when your knees bad, and if
you sit there and talk aboutAbba, bad knee, and why would
you ever say a part of your bodyis bad?
Cause your body, like, doeseverything it can to serve you.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
And like we actually got a lot of comments on that
quote, with people saying likethat's dumb, that's dumb.
They're like oh your cancer isnot your body trying to kill you
, or inflammation is not yourbody trying to kill you.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
And I was just, I was honestly, I mean it doesn't
surprise me, but I was actuallykind of surprised that, like
people just generally hate theirbodies for some reason, yeah.
Or they've convinced themselvesthat their bodies are terrible
or suck or ugly or they justdon't like themselves and just
don't like themselves.
Yeah, which you're right.
(15:42):
A lot of that probably comesfrom past trauma.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Yeah, absolutely, but it's weird, but everything,
basically it all comes from pasttrauma and conditioning, from
society and school and all that.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
And parents, whatever .
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
So you know you can't say that your thoughts don't
affect your experience in lifeand your and everything.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Your brain literally changes whether you think you're
full or not based on the label.
Your brain.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
You can literally have the side effects from a
drug when you don't even take,when you take a sugar pill.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
That's how powerful the brain is.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
How powerful the brain is, and then people want
to act like it doesn't matter.
You know you can't be in both.
Yeah, I mean, unless you justwant to be like clueless or
oblivious yeah.
You know, if you say my fuckingsame thing with your knees have
bad knees I have a bad back.
I have a bad back.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
There's nothing I can do about it.
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, you're right, because youfucking tell yourself, because
you tell yourself every singleday.
There's no hope.
Yeah there's nothing, no onecan hurt.
That can help you, yeah, man.
So anyway, that's basically thewhole point of the episode.
I think it's like, how do yousit on both sides?
(17:02):
Yeah, don't, you can't be thereand say that the shit doesn't
matter and does matter at thesame time.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
I think it's perfectly acceptable in this
moment to say maybe I was wrong,it matters, and I think what's
really cool I know for me when Iread stuff like this is really
being introspective andanalyzing every single thought,
(17:30):
especially the negative ones.
Thought audit, Thought audit.
Whoa bro, that was good.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
But really really be intentional about every single
negative thought.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Yeah, it might be exhausting at first.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Yeah, it might be a lot of negative thoughts, but
what else?
Speaker 1 (17:51):
I mean, how would you expect to grow, yeah, and
really understand yourself?
Yeah, I mean, you really justwant to walk around and be
basically subservient to allyour past traumas and
conditionings, all yourconditioning, and let all that
subconscious stuff controleverything you do?
Yeah, and you just aimlesslydrift as a person with no
(18:13):
control, yeah, and then you're avictim.
Everything happens to you.
I have bad luck.
I always hit the red light.
I never get this, never worksout.
Yeah, sounds horrible.
That's not how I'm going tolive.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
So this is funny, not funny.
So for the person who's like inthis state right, and they're
just constantly like constantly,just everything sucks.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
They're saying fuck you right now to you and I.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So then what's funny is like, let's just be very
direct, right For a moment.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Okay, well, go for it .
Speaker 2 (18:57):
So you live in that state and you work in a company
and you never get the promotion.
Sure.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Why the?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
fuck.
Do you think you deserve apromotion if you're a miserable
person and you're miserable tobe around and nothing ever works
and everything is against you?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yeah.
Who would want to work for you?
Who wants to hire?
Who wants to?
Who wants to promote thatperson?
Yeah.
Who wants to promote and bringsomeone up the ranks?
Who is just going to bringeveryone else?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
down.
It's like hey, I see howmiserable you are, I'm going to
put 20 more people under you soyou can make more people
miserable.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, but it's not that, it's not their fault.
Everything is you know you haveto start the work.
You have to start the innerwork.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, but to your point, the beautiful part of all
this is you can be healed.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Yeah, absolutely, that's that's, you can release
all this shit.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Yeah, fuck, yeah, you can fuck yeah and you can crush
it absolutely and you can behappy, yeah, and you can feel
good.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
What's amazing is there's been times in my life
where I just did not feel smart,yeah.
And there's been times where Ifelt fucking like in school.
Everything was easy.
I'm not trying to sound cool,but I didn't have to try that
hard, yeah.
And then when you smoke a lotof weed and you drink a lot and
you eat like shit and you don'tsleep.
Yeah and you do that for acouple years, then all of a
(20:33):
sudden you're like Wait a minute, I used to be able to think
straight.
Now I'm like slow.
Yeah and I thought I was.
I was like am I dumb?
Now, well, turns out, there areconsequences for your actions,
but you can reverse it all.
You can reverse it all.
So no, I don't really smokeanymore.
Yeah, less booze, less bullshitfood.
Now I feel better than I'veever felt.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
What's a B word for marijuana?
Is there one Blunts, lessblunts, less booze less blunts,
less booze, bullshit, yeah, soboom.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Yeah, there's times where you just might feel like
it's impossible, it's all fuckedup, I'm not good enough, I'm
not this, I'm not that, but youcan't push through.
It's not necessarily alwayseasy, yeah, but you have to
start dropping off the shit, youknow yeah, that's a good point
that you know is not serving youlike is staying up till four in
the morning, drinking everynight, serving you?
Probably not, probably not.
Is you start with the big onesand then you work down to like
(21:32):
the the more subtle ones?
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, yeah so.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
But I think people are capable, most people.
Everyone everyone's capable ofa lot.
Yeah of a fuckload.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
I agree with that 100%.
You have to get out your ownway sometimes anyway, but I
threw some examples on here ofhow just you can think about
something and have aPhysiological response.
Yes, it's the power of the mind.
So yeah, it's funny when Brianand I camp together, he always
imagines someone Murdering us inour sleep every time and you
know what I'd never do on thefirst night sleep, sleep.
How's your heart rate Feel whenyou think about?
Speaker 2 (22:08):
that I'm sitting there laying in my cot.
My heart's racing, yeah, andI'm thinking through all the
scenarios.
Yeah when I think through themost is when I fall asleep.
Someone just starts stabbing methrough the tent, over and over
in my back, yeah, and by thetime I figure out what's going
on, I can't even move, becausemy kidneys are Probably yeah,
(22:29):
punctured yeah I.
Think about that one a lot.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
So that's fucking wild.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And then by night too .
I'm so tired I don't thinkabout any of that.
Yeah, go to sleep.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah so, but it's funny that you can sit there and
like relive a past thing, oryou can think about these crazy
scenarios and your heart rategoes up.
I've never the adrenalinestarts going and this is there's
no, there's no bear, there's nomurderer.
Yeah you're just literallythinking about it and you can
cause an adrenaline spike.
Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
You can do all this shit just some just making up,
making up a story.
Yeah, I've never been stabbedin the woods.
I've never almost been stabbedin the woods.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
I've never even been around.
Anyone who knows a person who'sever been stabbed in the woods?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yes, and based on statistics, the likelihood of
being murdered in the woods isfar less than driving Flying.
Yeah, a TV falling on me.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah, tv.
That used to matter when theywere the big two, yeah, but now
it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Yeah, it's true, because I did read the stat that
more people die from TVsfalling on them than shark
attacks.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
But Back in the day, when TVs were like 400 pounds
river the big, like the firstbig screens.
There was like a fucking.
It was like a that's like aScaffolding, like, look like a
look at a billboard.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's basically a billboard.
You had to plan your furniturewhen you bought that TV.
You had a.
You had a tube out for us onthat shit.
Anyway, yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah.
So I mean, is there really asolution?
I just pretty much read.
There are intentions and thethings we say in our minds.
I think it matter.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Another good example is like when your boss is like
hey, I want to talk to you atthe end of the day.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Oh, here we go, yeah, and then?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
all day.
You're just like what did I do?
What did I do?
What did I do?
I'm gonna get fired, I'm gonnaget fired, I'm gonna get fired,
I'm gonna get fired.
You have panic attack and youget.
The end of the boss is like hey, I forgot to do that thing,
will you do that tomorrow?
And you're like or when theysay that, right, when you're
going home, and then like hey,I'd like to talk to you in the
morning when you come in.
Can you come in a little early?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, and then you go home.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
You can't do anything .
You're like, oh no, somethingbig is happening, something big.
You're mean to your family,you're in your head, yeah, and
you get the office.
And he forgot.
Yeah, are you sick that day.
That's why I do tell peoplethat, as a coach, I tell anyone
and everyone as a leader, bevery careful in how you provide
(24:54):
Feedback and how you communicatelike that, because that shit
matters.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Yeah good boss wouldn't do that they wouldn't
understand, or they couldpreface it with hey, it's
nothing big.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Tell them what it's about?
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, I just say it's a quick meeting about some
small thing.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, like I want to get your feedback on the meeting
you were in last week.
I wasn't in.
Can you come in early?
Let's talk about it.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
No, we're downsizing.
Hey, we're downsizing.
Let's have a meeting tomorrowmorning.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, so anyway, yeah, it's good stuff.
So the solution is, man, likewe said, just be introspective
and aware.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, you can't live in a world where you think that
the body and the mind are someseparate things.
Yeah, I mean and thenunderstand that you can use your
mind, you can meditate andactivate genes that reduce
inflammation and yeah and bloodpressure and all this, and that
you can take a pill, a sugarpill, and give yourself the one
(25:52):
that I struggle with is the endof the world.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Not like the actual end of the world, but like the
next the end of our world.
That, yeah, the end of theworld as we know it right the
next pandemic.
But they push a little harder,you know yeah all that kind of
shit, like like no internet forSix months, no food supply for
two months.
Yeah, no, you know, power gridgoes out and it's 20 degrees
(26:18):
outside.
How do I keep my family warm?
Like that kind of stuff.
That's the one that I can slipinto like becoming severely
anxious.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Having the family changes that yeah, you know.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
yeah, visualizing you watching your kids freeze or
starve to death Brutal is tough,yeah, so Well, all we can be is
more self-sufficient.
Yeah, which isn't very easybecause there's laws against
that.
So I can't even have fuckingchickens unless I have two acres
in God County.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Yeah, it's bullshit.
Yeah, can you?
Speaker 2 (26:54):
have solar?
Can I sue the county to saythat's unconstitutional?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
That's playing their game.
What does that mean?
That's playing the game as theyYou're playing.
If you play the game Like them,you don't win.
Yeah, right, you can't sue thefederal government, right?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
but I can sue the local government for encroaching
on Citizen rights.
Yeah go try it.
I think I will.
I'm gonna sue Cobb CountyBecause they tell me I can't
have chickens.
I'm gonna see if that works.
Yeah actually I'm not gonna suethem.
I'm gonna call a couple lawyersand see if they would even pick
(27:40):
up that case.
They'll be like, sure man, 50grand you might know work, but
I'll try.
Yeah, if you could change onelaw.
The only problem is, like thesecond, you do that and then,
like Everyone in the countyknows where you live.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
All of a sudden they start showing up and they're
like uh, this is against code,You're gonna have to update this
.
Yeah and you know, all of asudden, these random things
start happening.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, you know you're on the pulled over a lot more
on the county watch list.
Yeah, like, oh, we've got acitizen Trying to, you know,
exercise the rights exercisetheir rights.
You can't have that you can'thave that trying to kill an
unjust law.
We've got a hey, we've got aradical extremist he wants,
(28:27):
chickens he wants fresh chickeneggs.
He's a danger to society.
Look at this fucking guy.
I know.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I saw one of the Senate committees and they were
talking about how we'vecompletely and utterly destroyed
farmers, local farmers,intentionally over time over the
past 50 years, and they saidthe guy made up a great point.
I wish I remembered his name,anyway.
And he said um, how in theworld do we live in a society
(29:02):
that this is the point he made?
I can Kill livestock and giveit to my friends, but the second
I charge them for it.
It's quote unsafe by the FDA.
Yep, it's not unsafe if yougive it away.
It's only unsafe when you makemoney.
It's only unsafe when you sellit.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
So the way he articulated that argument and
the difference between safetyand monetization was brilliant.
Yeah, smart guy.
But what the fuck's gonnachange Until we start getting a
bunch of tractors and spraymanure France style, france time
they, we go, france I know,those are Dutch.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Those Dutch, I don't know.
France.
I'm doing some crazy shit overthe past six for them.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
Oh, france burnt down a black rock.
You know, the Dutch were theones.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I think that spray them in your and the
agricultural Agency.
I think it is possible to pushtoo far.
And then eventually there'sgonna be some kind of there's me
some blowback, rightfully so.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Yeah, there's only so much we can take.
Yeah, anyway, the power of themind.
That being said, let's roll,let's roll.
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