November 8, 2024 • 47 mins
The Washington Township Museum of Local History is a wonderful cultural resource here in Fremont.
The collection at the museum covers the history of Fremont, Newark and Union City.
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Their website is a a vast online resource unto itself and worth a look.
They offer local history walking tours throughout the year.
Located at the corner of Anza Street and Ellsworth Street (near Ohlone College) in Fremont.
A direct link to their audio archive can be found here.
The documentary about Russel City has a website here.
The documentary about Marion Stokes, a woman who recorded the news for 30 years, has a website here.
"Candy" Annie Fowler can be seen in her Newark candy shop here.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Coming to you straight from Fremont,
california.
This is the Fremont Podcast,dedicated to telling the stories
of the past and present of thepeople and places of the city of
Fremont, one conversation at atime.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Can I get each of your names and just your for now
, just your position here at themuseum.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm Patricia Shafarsik and I work with the
collections.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm Kelsey Camelo, president of the museum.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And this is the Washington Township Museum of
Local History.
Yes, here on Anza and Ellsworthif I'm not mistaken.
Yes, Awesome.
When does history start Likehow recent is too recent.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, that's something we've been playing
with for a while, trying tofigure out.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I think history is yesterday.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, it just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, history is continuous.
It's a continuum.
History is continuous.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's a continuum, but people tend to have a view in
their mind and then they don'tthink about it until they're
asked, like when we tell peopleoh, bring us your pictures from
the 70s, and they're like youdon't want those?
Yeah, we do, we want stuff fromthe 90s now.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So yeah, definitely.
And the other thing is you canfind history everywhere that you
are and you can relate it totoday.
And that's what I love so muchabout history is the fact that I
can walk in a place or readabout someone or hear a story
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and I can relate to it as if youknow, I was there, and I think
that's what's so exciting abouthistory that history is history
but actually history is todayand we live through our memories
and hopefully we learn fromthose.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Do you actively collect things, objects and
reports and things now, knowingthat they will become history?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes and no.
It depends on capacity andworkload.
Sure, but yeah, that's theintention.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, I mean the historical stories that are
written.
We collect those.
But when we interview peopleit's up to today, it's finding
out the history up to today.
So I mean, but I don't think weactively say let's collect what
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happened yesterday, right.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's hard because you'll open the Tri-City Voice
as an example and go, okay, whatshould be saved from this?
Yeah, you could say the wholething, but usually it's one or
two small things, and then youfile them away and you go well,
did I miss something?
Well, life will go on.
It's really it's kind ofstressful.
There are a lot of things inlife.
If you think about them toomuch, they become too stressful,
and that's one of them.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, and making we have to.
We're so small.
We have to make decisions aboutwhat we're going to save and
not save.
It has to be relevant to theTri-City area, but what's
relevant, and you know, and withthe information we have today
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it's easy to find present daythings more than things that
happened in the past or whathappened in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
But ironically it's harder to search for Fremont or
anything Tri-City during theArgus years than like any other
newspapers, because those onesare on microfilm versus being
able to just pull it up, becausethose ones are in microfilm
versus being able to just pullit up.
So it's sort of ironic.
The stuff that's more recent isharder to locate.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And the other thing is I was at a presentation about
Russell City being taken away,actually in the I can't remember
what era it was like the 70s, Ican't remember what era it was
like the 70s and the film thatthe people made about that
happening.
They went back and startedtalking to former residents and
all of those records, thoseofficial records about what
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happened, were destroyed becausethey only keep them in the
county for 30 years.
And so it just happened thatsomebody who witnessed it or who
was related to somebody hadsaved those transcripts and they
had it in their closet and theyheard about the people who were
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making the film and she sentthe transcripts to them and it
made all of the arguments andeverything that went down alive
again and actually they wereable to act upon it.
At least the county now issaying you know, we'll have to
give you restitution.
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We, you know, and somebody itwasn't even a museum, but
somebody had saved thoseparticular things and we have
lots of things like that here.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Like these maps.
You know, people think, a lotof people think that someone
else is doing the job.
Well, someone else is savingthat.
Well, that newspaper is keepingtheir records, that library,
but everybody has X materialsthat they toss out.
And like these aerials that wehave that you can't see on the
radio, but you know the firstthing you see when you walk into
our museum.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Gigantic aerial photos that take up your entire
wall.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
They were in the trash, so when the city moved,
from Mission Boulevard to thecity center.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That is now gone.
They're in a different citycenter.
They threw them in the trashand collectors for our museum
not, then, it wasn't a museumthen got them out of the trash
and that's the story of the bigrip.
Got them out of the trash andthat's the story of the big rip.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But this is the like.
Not only is it what we startwith a lot of people, it's what
draws them in and they come backover and over to see the change
.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's on the point that you were making, where
everyone is collecting.
It reminds me of that woman who, with a series of VCRs, just
taped the news every night forlike 30 years.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so that's all she did.
She just taped the local newsfor 30 years.
However many news stations wereplaying at the time, that's how
many VCRs she had, and she justtaped the news for 30 years,
and now that that record is islike invaluable, because not
only does it have the news, thelittle incidental things, but
also commercials aired duringthat, you know, and so it's like
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there's a film about that aswell.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
she's amazing and they didn't save all of those
things, did they?
They?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, it wasn't.
The news station did not saveall of those things.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's right, but it's hit and miss.
You know, certain things getsaved and it's just amazing the
things we uncover.
I mean, the other story that isso interesting is a woman was
coming here to research herfamily the driver family and so
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we had some information for her.
But we have these scrapbooksthat Dr Fisher one of the main
collections that we have herefrom him from many years ago had
something on Irvington, whereher family was from, and she's
leaving through this scrapbook,and she actually found the
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marriage certificate of hergreat-grandfather.
Who would have known that thatwas there?
And she got it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, and you know what else is cool is cool?
It's like the little rabbitholes and how they open up
really big stories becausesomeone will come in.
Oh I just, I don't know what todo with this stuff and can you
guys use it?
And then, okay, well, you'vetaught me, patricia, to ask a
lot of questions.
So first tell me where were youborn, and they just start
talking and next thing, you knowyou've got this, all these
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little tiny tidbits, and thenwhen you start researching those
tiny ones, you get really bigthings.
And that's when you rememberwhy it's fun to come here and do
your job, because sometimes youget bogged down with yeah, like
the other stuff, the hundredemails every day and people
asking you why it takes so longto get back to them.
But then you're like, well, Iwas researching this tiny little
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thing that seemed veryimportant that day.
So, and sometimes for theperson, the patron that comes in
, it is a big deal to them thatyou took the time and and found
that information.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So remember, too, when we had we all worked on
this together, we, I we had puttogether a list of dairies and
farms oh yeah, yeah, yeah, ahuge list.
We've been working on it forages.
And some guy comes in and hewanted to know.
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He remembered this guy is inhis 70s but he remembered his
grandfather lived somewhere.
Oops, excuse me, I hit that Hisgrandfather lived somewhere on
Fremont Boulevard and he onlyknew one part of his name.
And we looked on this list thatwe've been doing this
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cataloging with and it came upand we found out close to where
it was.
And then we happened to have anaerial of that area and we
figured out where he lived inthe 40s.
And it was so exciting becausethen he brought he brought, uh,
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pictures of the farm and had noidea that there was even a farm
there, a small 10-acre farm or5-acre farm or something.
These are like gems, aren'tthey?
It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Sometimes we forget about the fun stuff.
I know One question and you gottoo much.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's good.
That's why we're here.
Let me ask this because you'vementioned how a few people have
come in to look for their etcetera, et cetera, which is
obviously wonderful, as thepopulation of Fremont has, let's
say, rapidly changed in, say,the last 20 years.
If it were graphed, there wouldbe a spike.
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Yeah, there would be a spike,as the population of Fremont and
the surrounding, all the areasthat you cover with this museum,
as it changed.
Who is this museum?
Who is this collection ofhistory?
Who is it for?
Like, I wouldn't ask that ifthere hadn't been a change,
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Right?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Does it change with it?
If?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
there's a brand new crew.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Well, the collection is for the whole population,
including the new.
When we had the 50thanniversary, 2006?
2006.
One of our projects was to dooral histories, and we did 30,
and we did them in eras of whenthe people arrived.
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So we had those who were bornhere or came before it was a
city, those who were there whilethe city was growing, and then
we had interviews with those whocame after.
So the new immigrant waves andthey continue to be expanding.
You know, the new immigrantwaves started with, I'd say you
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know, vietnam and Afghanistan,and of course then China and
Chinese and Indian, but theystarted actually even earlier
than that.
We have some board members whoare or people who work in our
historical community that youknow came.
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His father came.
Paul Sethi's father came fromIndia and his mother was Swiss
and we had a Swiss immigrationhere in the 30s.
So we collect a lot of it, butmaybe our face isn't always the
celebration of these ethniccommunities as much as it should
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be, and we've talked about that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
We've talked about.
I always think about the timewe discussed putting a timeline
above these aerials and doinglike a timeline of immigration
to this area, starting with well, you can go before statehood,
but we haven't done it yet and Iwould say most of our visitors
are younger people who are newerto the area.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, who come here are younger people who are newer
to the area, yeah, who comehere and we've actually had I've
had people who come in fromIndia and they go.
We used to have that kind ofwashing machine I mean, they
even are relating to some of thethings.
Or we got sewing machines andit's really funny.
You know the things that are inthe tangible things in our
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museum people relate to becauseit's just an era gone by.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Who visits the museum , Like who is interested and,
roughly speaking, how manypeople visit you know?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Well, that's a two-part answer.
I mean, a certain amount arepeople who come to research or
to donate.
A certain amount are people whowander in because they're in
the area.
Sometimes it's people who justwant to avoid traffic for a
little while.
And then you've got people whointentionally come in with their
kids because they're justtrying to help their kids learn
about local history.
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But then we've got a ton ofvisitors who are students with
their teachers and they come infor Diane's program.
So we do school tours here andthen third graders come to the
museum, fourth graders go toRancho Higuera and Diane runs
both programs.
Diane, Holmes.
Yes, Diane Holmes and gosh.
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I wish I had a number.
I could get it to youafterwards, but that's the
majority of yeah, we have a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We have a very large student program and Diane fills
up because there are just somany hours and we'd like to
expand it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah, she actually runs out of space.
Every year she fills every slotand more.
We tell her stop, but and shedoes.
I don't want to call them boxtours, because I think they're
called history in a box.
She does the history goes intothe classroom for kids who
aren't allowed to do carpoolingor but they can't afford the
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buses.
And so she gets the programminginto the classroom for kids who
aren't allowed to do carpoolingor but they can't afford the
buses.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Um, and so she gets the programming into the class
and the teacher administers it,or diane administers yeah, so
again, I can give you thenumbers afterwards, but so
that's the, that's, that's thelarge number of people that that
are exposed to, um, ourprograms or our museum, um, yeah
, but you've days with.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
No, you have days with one person who comes in and
days where it's like arevolving door.
It just depends on the day andwhat people are doing.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You know we have old-timers who come in too and
just want to look.
They really love the maps andyeah and talk.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Switching subjects, getting a little more specific.
The Internet Archive wasrecently cyber-attacked.
One were you aware of it?
It sounds like you were and twowere your archives at all
impacted?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I don't think so, Not that I yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think so, not that I yeah, no, no.
So we, our collection on theinternet is mostly been with
archivesorg, or it's calledCalRevealed.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, everything we have on archiveorg is
technically filtered fromCalReveal.
We don't have anything we'veindependently uploaded.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Other than through our Past Perfect program.
There are some things that wehave.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
To the best of your knowledge, that stuff was left
alone.
I have used your online oralhistory recordings in a lot of
my own work and I think they'regreat.
I love them.
Can you tell me a little bitabout the two main, because
there's more than two, but thetwo main, like oral history
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archivists that you have therePhilip Holmes and Me.
Patricia.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Or are you thinking of?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm thinking of the other name.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Is it Dr Fisher?
It's.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Fisher.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Okay, from back in the day, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Dr Fisher, yeah, and Philip Holmes actually in in the
archives that you, if you lookat the ones that are posted on
CalRevealed, those are all fromDr Fisher and I've been I've
been doing more recent ones,awesome.
More recent, meaning the last 20years.
Well, I've only been at themuseum for like 20 years, so I
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mean those recordings are fromthe 70s and 80s and some of them
back into the 60s and a couplefrom the 50s, so they really
captured some of the people whoare no longer here For the
clarity of the people listening.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
the recordings were made in the 60s and the 70s and
the stories go way farther back.
They're not talking about theircurrent life.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No, some of them were close to 100 years old when
they were being interviewed.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like the drawbridge stories, I constantly find
myself asking people did he eversleep?
Because he just the amount ofthings that we have that Dr
Fisher touched.
I don't understand how he didit.
He had.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He actually had a core of people who went around
and did a lot of research forhim.
He had you know, some of theinterviews are not conducted
just by him but representativesof him and he, he got his.
He got in the 70s and 80s therewere a lot of people very
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interested in local history andDr Fisher and later Phil Holmes
had local history classes andthey sent people out in the
community.
They didn't save every piece ofwhat the people did, but there
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were a lot of active members andthere's still people who worked
with those two people to get alot of local history.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It's kind of funny how local history gets sort of
like baked into you becausewe've had these waves of
historians that I can think ofgoing back, like Jill, like Phil
and Lila and the people we havenow and everybody did it for
different reasons, I'm sure, butyou sort of it's a way to feel
connected to your community,because I live in Union City but
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I work in Fremont and myfriends who don't live here
because I grew up here.
Also I have friends who don'tlive here anymore and they don't
understand, well, why do youstill want to live there?
I mean, and that's not justpointed at one specific thing,
that's just a general questionand it's like well, this is my
community.
And when you learn history andyou study it and you're doing it
every week, you see historywhile you're driving around, you
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see what was there, or, likealways, say, the trees can tell
you what was there before,because they might lead to where
a house once stood or some kindof path or something like that,
and so you feel a connectionthat those people who don't
study the history of where theylive don't feel.
I don't know if I'm explainingthat right.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, it is.
What you're explaining ispeople who love history, and
it's really amazing because ifyou look at the people who have
been very instrumental in ourmuseum and the other historical
groups, many of them were notborn and raised here.
They love history and whereverthey go, they just find out
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about their community.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And they add to it yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean Philip Holmes came from Washington and he
wrote all kinds of things aboutWashington, but he was so
prolific here, I mean for morethan 30 years, he wrote articles
every week and you know, and DrFisher, I mean wherever they
loved history and they collectedeverything.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And it's not just the history of who was here, it's
who is here now, it's thestories that are happening now,
and that's you love history,because you love stories.
And we were talking aboutpeople throwing things out.
You don't save that old, dustything because it's cool.
It tells you a story and if youdon't have that, if you don't
discover it again in the attic,then you forget the story.
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And once you tell someone thestory and they record it,
someone else can hear it in 20years.
So, yeah, we just love stories.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's what it comes down to, and that's what history
is too, because the stories arepersonal and you relate to that
, because you feel the humanityof people who lived here before
and their struggles.
You know there's always theselittle pieces and as you, you
know, if you even go to researcha person where they lived and
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see who their neighbors were,pretty soon you're building a
life.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's like Minecraft.
Yeah, it's so fun.
You literally watch it, you cansee it in your head happening
and then you're like suddenly ohyeah, I'm back at this computer
.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Like even sitting here.
You know God, the firemen werehere and oh they were over there
and hi, I wonder.
You know, it's just that, it'sthat kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And being by Ohlone, I always think about it being
just this open land and somebodyjust having an orchard up there
.
It's just so fun to imaginelike an overlay on top of your
real life it is, and then youcan escape the other stuff
that's stressing you out.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
So it's really quite nice.
It's the stories and the placeand they just keep piling on and
you get to delve into thoseLike chipping off wallpaper in
an old house.
Yeah know, you get to delveinto those Like chipping off
wallpaper in an old house.
Yeah and you get to delve backin.
If you're in the place or youhave the object or you know, you
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can revive the stories, andthey're all human.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay, so tell me individually, tell me your
favorite tiny local historystory.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You just asked us to do something tiny.
That's hard.
We just told you so many.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
No, but like where the joy of it comes from.
It's like disposability, Likeit isn't some grand plan with a
street named after it.
Right, a real story.
But like a little oh, they usedto do this Mm-hmm, mm-hmm of
this and that A real story, butlike a little.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Oh, they used to do this.
Well, you have to think of sometiny tidbit that you have
learned while working in historythat gets you excited.
Like I always think of CandyAnnie, and I don't know why
because she seems like a cartooncharacter to me.
Like I want to write a bookabout how cute she is in her
little candy shop, because inevery picture of her in Newark
she seems like she's ahead ofher time.
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I think that's why she's like afigure that my brain constantly
goes to so who?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
is.
Candy Annie.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Candy Annie Fowler.
She owned a little candy shopin Newark.
March Callow is hergreat-granddaughter or
granddaughter.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Was Something like that.
I think she was.
I don't know that Candy Anniehad any children.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I don't think she did , so that doesn't maybe it's her
aunt.
Yeah, Just someone in Newarkwho, whenever her name pops up,
you get these like yeah, we havepictures of her too.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's really.
She was close to six feet tall,and when she was young, we have
pictures of her on motorcycleswith friends, and this was in
the 20s.
So you know, it's just.
You'll often wonder what wasshe like?
Who was she I?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
think that's why she's so funny is because we
don't know a lot about her.
We don't know a lot about herand yet you're constantly
wondering about her.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And you wish somebody had interviewed her.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yes, Sort of yes, so that's one of my like big
question mark ones.
So that doesn't answer yourquestion.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, yes, it does what is your favorite.
Well, yes, it does what is yourfavorite.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, I can't.
I mean Something swift, what'smy favorite?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm certainly not asking what is your favorite
overall, but I'll give you anexample.
I'll tell you mine.
I learned it here in this room,oh, and I just think it's
delightful.
It prompted the question, infact.
Okay, on Olive Avenue there areand have been olive trees.
It's titular and I learned thatway back in the day, I don't
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know when, the kids would climbup the first olive tree at like,
say, this end, the Mission, sanJose area, kind of end of it,
and they would.
The streets weren't as theywere and the olive, you know,
the trees were way closertogether because there were no
cross streets and they wouldclimb the branches from each of
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the olive trees and make theirway all the way down into
Irvington, kind of where itstops.
Where did you hear that?
In this room?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Who told?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
you, I don't remember , but it was I.
When I heard that I thoughtthat was just so lovely.
It's just a whole like highwayof tree children making their
way down into Irvington, justfor the fun of it that's
probably Barbara.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
That sounds like a Barbara.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
She lives on Olive but that reminded me of that is
a great story, jim Griffinuh-huh, because he grew up in
Irvington and he tells a story.
There was, of course therewasn't the overpass, the way it
is now going.
So there was quite a steep hillgoing down and it went over the
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railroad tracks and he saidthey could get on their skates
and skate all the way From themission home, from the top of
the hill, all the way down.
They would skate all the wayFrom the mission home, from the
top of the hill all the way down.
They would skate down.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Was he on Bay Street?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, they would skate to the four corners or the
five corners.
They would skate to the fivecorners.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You know that's interesting, because one thing
that is really fun is when youstart researching and you are
able to learn, you know four orfive generations back and not
just, oh, and that's the name.
It's like you have thesestories and Jim Griffin is a is
a really good example of that.
You know he when did his first?
It's um Ricks, right, timothyRicks, which is like 1850s,
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1860ss.
Yeah, it was way back and he'shere.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Jim is here now, fifth generation, yeah, fifth
generation, and he can tell youstories all the way back, but
the skating going down was notskate skating like now, they had
the metal skates and theydidn't have to do anything.
They just had to hang on,basically, oh my goodness.
(28:10):
And it was like we got all theway down without doing anything
or just trying to stand up.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I have a neighbor, hi Allison, who has told me that
we live near the hills, reallynear the hills kind of in the
Niles, adjacent Niles Crest area, and she's been there for a
long time and she said that whenshe was a kid they would take
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pieces of large cardboard and goup the hills and then come down
on the cardboard cardboard.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And another tidbit actually, joe Bohoffer was one
of the people at CloverdaleCreamery and they had the ranch
that is where the hub is now,before they opened Cloverdale
and he's talked about.
Oh, I remember they used tofeed their cattle at Coyote
Hills and then when they movedthem back to the ranch it was
all on the roads and they wouldjust you know the few cars that
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were coming by.
They just would have to waitfor the cattle to get past.
That's how it's changed, rightthat's how it's changed right.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
It's kind of fun with history because you can you can
sort of forget about the thingsyou are thinking about now,
like this morning on kqed.
The perspective was about goingto bed early and waking up
early and how, in the morning,if you're awake before everyone
in your house, you don't haveany, you don't have any screens,
you don't have any sound andyou just have yourself and it's
quiet.
And that's how I feel when Iwalk from my house to Meyer
(29:55):
Garden in Dry Creek.
It's like you enter anotherworld and nobody's thinking
about the other side, which isjust Mission Boulevard whizzing
by side, which is just MissionBoulevard whizzing by.
So that's what it is.
When you start delving intohistory, you get to think about
all the.
It's not that the past doesn'thave controversy and difficult
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things, it's just they're notyour problem today.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I live in the same house I grew up on and behind us
was the dairy farm I grew up onand I still that's that.
One story I remember all thetime is that when my mother told
the story actually because welived in an agricultural area,
the climate was very different,because when we had cold weather
(30:49):
, tule fog or fog would raisefrom the earth because it was
all wet and we could not see.
In the wintertime you couldn'tsee anything.
And just to make the turn fromwhat is now Stevenson Boulevard
to Omar, it was so foggy mymother had to get out of the car
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and walk in front of the car sothat my dad could turn on the
street that we lived on.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Just follow me home.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And I never moved from my house.
And they changed the name fromCook's Road to Omar Street for
who knows what reason.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Let me ask you touched on this very briefly and
let me dig into that what isthe best way to deal with a
city's troubling history?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
To actually talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Like you know, mission, san Jose and the
treatment of the Ohlones,irvington Five Corners and its
original name, the Japaneseinternment.
The buses that Dorothea Langetook in Centerville, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
And the myriad others that we aren't even mentioning.
And the ones that we aren'teven mentioning, yeah, what's
the?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
best way for us to tackle those darker moments.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's what Tracy's been talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
We actually have been talking about that, because I
was just at Muir Woods.
I was just at Muir Woods andthey're changing their signage
to add real points about whothey used to honor and put the
reality of other aspects ofpeople that they honored even.
(32:45):
And I think we should start andwe've talked about this start
incorporating it both in ourexhibits and then in any other
presentations that we have andmaterials we have.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I know Mission San Jose.
They are working to alter theirmuseum right now.
They're going to start tellingthe proper story and that's
really exciting.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
So that's, and then maybe our subject should
actually have displays about youknow, the things that you went
on that are sort of notacknowledged.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, because we're always talking about trying to
tell the stories of the peoplewho weren't heard, then Right.
But you know you've got to go astep further than that and talk
about the stuff that was reallyhard, right, and acknowledge it
.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, like one of the interviews I did with a
resident in Niles.
You know, her father's familycame from Mexico and Mexican
people were very muchdiscriminated against and he was
in the war in the Second WorldWar, and when he came back he
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worked for Rodin's Nursery,which was great.
But he lived in a certain areain the Niles and he wanted to
live up on the hills and theyhad covenants in that section
and they named types of peoplewho were not allowed to live
there.
So he bought the house throughsomeone else and they tried to
(34:31):
kick him out and the people inNiles actually supported him and
helped him with a lawyer and hewon.
That's a great story.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Yeah, it's a really good example to explain the
situation.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
We should actually publish that.
You know, get her to talk aboutit.
There were newspaper articlesand this happened in the 60s, I
think.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Let me ask you.
We are in the kind of main area, the main workspace of the
museum, and just over therethrough that door is the kind of
the collection, the artifactsthat were, is the kind of the
collection, uh, the, the, theartifacts that were displaying
the museum yeah, um, I wanted toask this, like are there any
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objects of like historicalimportance or relevance that you
know you don't have and want?
obviously there's a lot of stuffthat you don't you didn't even
know that existed, but there'slike, oh, there's that thing and
we don't have and want.
Obviously there's a lot ofstuff that you don't, you didn't
even know that existed, butthere's like, oh, there's that
thing and we don't have it.
Man, that would be nice to have.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I don't know if this is technically like, there's a
city seal in city councilchambers that was made by Alice
Eve Wright and it's like, ooh, Iwish we had that, but I'm glad
it's somewhere and it's ondisplay and it's part of you
know, everyday use.
But it's like, ooh, that'd benice to have.
(35:56):
And I would say an alternateanswer is everybody's photo
collections.
For me, I'm always like justbring your photos in, I'll scan
them, I'll give them back to you.
You don't have to give them tous, know, because people don't
want to let go of their photos,but I would love a scan of that
because the photos are like tome, the most exciting thing,
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yeah they, they are.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I think, yeah, every time I interview someone they
say, oh, they bring a couple.
I go, let me see your album.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, let's see them all and can we borrow them for
two days.
You know it's like suddenlyyou're kicked into high gear
about we're going to scaneverything really fast but
people don't think their historyis valuable.
But then when they starttalking you realize we're all
connected and everybody'shistory is valuable.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I will say on this podcast.
One of the things we've said inearly, early, early staff
meetings is we say it as a joke,but we mean it as a philosophy.
We say we should keep track ofwhat the population number is
for Fremont, because that's howmany episodes we can do, because
everybody's story oh, you don'twant to, you wouldn't want me
(37:06):
on the podcast Like do you exist?
Do you live here and or workhere?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Right, hi yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Episode number 7 billion, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean we're very similar in our goals.
It's loving stories and valuingeverybody and valuing everybody
.
We have it in just this area,but just the value of everyone's
story and how it fits into thiswhole beautiful quilt.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
How have your walking tours evolved over time?
You guys do great walking tours.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I wasn't here when they began.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, I mean, they used to do tours a long time
before I even came here.
You know, Dr Fisher and PhilHolmes and others had walking
tours.
How have they evolved?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, a lot of the buildings are gone.
I would say that's true inevery single walking tour.
I mean we can't even do a WarmSprings walking tour because
there's nothing here's WarmSprings Elementary, that's
pretty much it.
Yeah, so I would say a lot ofthe tours have changed in that,
even just since I have been here, which is like 11, 12 years 11
(38:30):
years maybe a lot of thebuildings are gone.
Additionally, we do the hikingtours now, which are really cool
.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, we've done a few hiking tours.
Patricia will take me onseveral mile urban, rural hikes.
Right, I've done a couple ofthose and I've done three.
Actually, I've done three.
I've done Irvington, andthey're about five to six miles,
but some people get prettytired.
But you can go out further andyou can talk about things.
(39:00):
You know, it's really nicebecause, like, yeah, it's nice
to have a longer hike.
You don't get as many people,though, because or you get them
and then they leave.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
And it's kind of nice , because some years we have
this really packed schedule andwe have so much going on, it's
actually overwhelming.
And then some years it's very,very slow, but we always do the
walking tours.
That's like, no matter whatguys, we're going to do the
walking tours, so people cancount on that, which is nice,
and we do the walking tours, sothat's, people can count on that
, which is nice.
(39:31):
And we have a bicycle too.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
yes, dakota, right, my home, um, tell me about some.
Uh, we're gonna need toprobably wrap this up what this
is so fun.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
It's better than doing what I have to do, which
is the emails and you didn'twant to do it at all.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I know I can't stop you now tell me about some
future events that the museumnot all of them, but some of
them, any of them, even ifthey're rather far out.
It's okay, you guys are underthe year.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
The end of the year is always just the Mission, san
Jose stuff, las Posadas and thetree lighting, and then
typically we kind of come backaround Women's History Month and
I haven't talked to you aboutthis yet, but we were talking
about adding women into thecoloring book.
More women, another coloringbook.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, yeah exactly.
The museum has a coloring book.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
We have a coloring book.
It's awesome.
You've seen it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh yeah, I've colored in it.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, and that is on our main webpage.
It's on the main page, but whatwe've been focusing on the most
is Union City History Museumand Union City History Group.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, that for the people that don't know, I will
give the briefest synopsis,hopefully one that doesn't
require correcting because it'sso brief.
There there has been for a longtime a Union City local history
museum.
It's in a really cool oldbuilding, much like this one.
It's really cool.
(40:56):
It's in a really cool part ofUnion City.
It's right near the mall, butit doesn't feel like you're
anywhere near the mall.
Yeah, there's a great littlefarmer's market next to it and
another Bronco's Billy's andlike a cool Ube-inspired.
It's like there are a lot ofcool things to do.
Yeah, it's a very cute littlearea and the person who ran it
(41:21):
is no longer running.
It Passed away.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Passed away and therefore there is an
opportunity for the community,members of the community,
members of Union City, membersof the local history, like the
larger area to pick up the torchand keep it going yes, that's
the hope and make it even moredynamic and improve it more
(41:50):
dynamic and improve it from whatit was in the past, in
collaboration with the UnionCity Chamber of Commerce.
That's what we're hoping for.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
And working towards.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And working towards.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
When can people visit this museum on Anza and
Ellsworth near Ohlone College?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Wednesdays, fridays, 10 am to 4 pm every week.
Second Saturday and Sunday, 10am to 4 pm every month, and the
fourth Sunday, 10 am to 4 pm.
And if there's one single thingon our website that is
consistently updated and correct, it is our hours and dates open
(42:28):
.
So that is always going to.
If you are ever worried, checkour website.
That is consistently updatedand correct.
It is our hours and dates open.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So so that is always going to.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
If you are ever worried, check our website, yeah
our website or and facebook.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, website, for sure and um, until somewhat
recently, there were not a lotof great restaurants.
There was a gap, yeah, therewas a gap in was a gap in the
and there are good restaurantsto time period and that gap is
over because there are nowreally great.
(42:57):
Let's say, excuses to come uphere, do a bunch of stuff and
then also see the museum.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, mission.
San Jose is very quiet and thatcan be difficult, but it's also
also if we try to flipeverything on its head and look
at it as a positive.
You can come up here.
You can visit the museum, youcan go to Forrest and Flower.
You can go to Starbucks if youwant a coffee or something to
eat.
Now we've got the burger place.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
There's several places to get milk tea.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Yes, joyful dim.
What is the other one?
Ee Home Cooking.
And while we don't have a parkright here, we've got Palmdale,
which is open to the public,beautiful garden, you have Olive
Hide Art Gallery and you've gotOhlone College.
Well, of course, you have themission.
It's like almost a given.
I didn't even mention it, but,yes, you can visit the mission
(43:48):
or walk around the mission andyou can walk around Ohlone
College campus which, believe itor not, is absolutely beautiful
, and you can go up to themission.
Yeah, so it may seem likethere's nothing to do here, but
there actually is quite a bit todo.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You could fill an entire afternoon and more.
There's a really good ramenplace down the street yes.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes, yes, oh, and there's, I think, a Loni Deli.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
There's plenty of.
You know.
Things have come and gone, butthere's still quite a bit left,
yeah so.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
And for walking, Sabercat Canyon is just right.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, there's an entrance One of many entrances,
but yeah, there's an entrance sobeautiful.
And Pine Street Park has aplayground, I mean, yeah, so
come up and visit us.
I would say in this kind of Idon't know what to call it, but
like this main section, notquite as far out as Pine, not
(44:41):
quite down the way to where thehouses really start, but like
this kind of slightly morecommercial area where you guys
really are, this kind ofslightly more commercial area
where you guys really are one ofthe more pedestrian-friendly
spaces.
So we're saying a billionthings for people to do.
You can do them all on foot,Like maybe Niles wins on that
(45:03):
front, but like darn, it's aclose second.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
It's a nice second.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a nice second.
Yeah, it is, it's very mission.
San jose is it's I've, I'vestill I'm struggling to describe
it, but it's like a feelingmission.
San jose has a feeling and youdon't, um, you just have to
experience it.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Like okay, granted, after 7, it's closed.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, but that's part of the allure.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
But like there's kind of nothing to do at night, yes,
but during the daylight hours,yes.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Oh, there's the craft beer place too.
There's a craft beer place.
Yeah, I forgot about that thereactually are quite a few.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
There's a bunch of bo's good stuff here.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I don't know if I'd spend a week vacationing here,
but like a Saturday, because youlive in Fremont.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, absolutely Well , and some I will say, like for
the museum.
Some people say, well, somepeople come over and over, Some
people oh, I've been there, Idon't need to go again.
But the fun for me of ourmuseum yes, I love exhibits, but
for me it's the collection.
So come in and ask a questionand then help us research in the
collection.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
that's what's really really fun yeah, like if you
think you've seen the museum,you're correct, but then come in
again and ask a differentquestion yeah and you won't have
seen the museum yeah, and everytime it's funny.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Every time I orient people, I think of something
else to talk about.
It's like you don't always saythe same thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I really think we should wrap it up.
That was great.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Thank you so much.
Thanks, andrew, all right.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
You couldn't stop us.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
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Speaker 3 (47:06):
This is a Muggins Media Podcast.
Coming to you straight from Fremont,
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Can I get each of your names and just your for now
, just your position here at themuseum.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I'm Patricia Shafarsik and I work with the
collections.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I'm Kelsey Camelo, president of the museum.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And this is the Washington Township Museum of
Local History.
Yes, here on Anza and Ellsworthif I'm not mistaken.
Yes, Awesome.
When does history start Likehow recent is too recent.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Well, that's something we've been playing
with for a while, trying tofigure out.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
I think history is yesterday.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Yeah, it just keeps going.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, history is continuous.
It's a continuum.
History is continuous.
Speaker 4 (01:02):
It's a continuum, but people tend to have a view in
their mind and then they don'tthink about it until they're
asked, like when we tell peopleoh, bring us your pictures from
the 70s, and they're like youdon't want those?
Yeah, we do, we want stuff fromthe 90s now.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
So yeah, definitely.
And the other thing is you canfind history everywhere that you
are and you can relate it totoday.
And that's what I love so muchabout history is the fact that I
can walk in a place or readabout someone or hear a story
(01:44):
and I can relate to it as if youknow, I was there, and I think
that's what's so exciting abouthistory that history is history
but actually history is todayand we live through our memories
and hopefully we learn fromthose.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Do you actively collect things, objects and
reports and things now, knowingthat they will become history?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yes and no.
It depends on capacity andworkload.
Sure, but yeah, that's theintention.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Well, I mean the historical stories that are
written.
We collect those.
But when we interview peopleit's up to today, it's finding
out the history up to today.
So I mean, but I don't think weactively say let's collect what
(02:37):
happened yesterday, right.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's hard because you'll open the Tri-City Voice
as an example and go, okay, whatshould be saved from this?
Yeah, you could say the wholething, but usually it's one or
two small things, and then youfile them away and you go well,
did I miss something?
Well, life will go on.
It's really it's kind ofstressful.
There are a lot of things inlife.
If you think about them toomuch, they become too stressful,
and that's one of them.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Yeah, and making we have to.
We're so small.
We have to make decisions aboutwhat we're going to save and
not save.
It has to be relevant to theTri-City area, but what's
relevant, and you know, and withthe information we have today
(03:27):
it's easy to find present daythings more than things that
happened in the past or whathappened in the past.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
But ironically it's harder to search for Fremont or
anything Tri-City during theArgus years than like any other
newspapers, because those onesare on microfilm versus being
able to just pull it up, becausethose ones are in microfilm
versus being able to just pullit up.
So it's sort of ironic.
The stuff that's more recent isharder to locate.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
And the other thing is I was at a presentation about
Russell City being taken away,actually in the I can't remember
what era it was like the 70s, Ican't remember what era it was
like the 70s and the film thatthe people made about that
happening.
They went back and startedtalking to former residents and
all of those records, thoseofficial records about what
(04:22):
happened, were destroyed becausethey only keep them in the
county for 30 years.
And so it just happened thatsomebody who witnessed it or who
was related to somebody hadsaved those transcripts and they
had it in their closet and theyheard about the people who were
(04:45):
making the film and she sentthe transcripts to them and it
made all of the arguments andeverything that went down alive
again and actually they wereable to act upon it.
At least the county now issaying you know, we'll have to
give you restitution.
(05:06):
We, you know, and somebody itwasn't even a museum, but
somebody had saved thoseparticular things and we have
lots of things like that here.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Like these maps.
You know, people think, a lotof people think that someone
else is doing the job.
Well, someone else is savingthat.
Well, that newspaper is keepingtheir records, that library,
but everybody has X materialsthat they toss out.
And like these aerials that wehave that you can't see on the
radio, but you know the firstthing you see when you walk into
our museum.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Gigantic aerial photos that take up your entire
wall.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
They were in the trash, so when the city moved,
from Mission Boulevard to thecity center.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That is now gone.
They're in a different citycenter.
They threw them in the trashand collectors for our museum
not, then, it wasn't a museumthen got them out of the trash
and that's the story of the bigrip.
Got them out of the trash andthat's the story of the big rip.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
But this is the like.
Not only is it what we startwith a lot of people, it's what
draws them in and they come backover and over to see the change
.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
It's on the point that you were making, where
everyone is collecting.
It reminds me of that woman who, with a series of VCRs, just
taped the news every night forlike 30 years.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so that's all she did.
She just taped the local newsfor 30 years.
However many news stations wereplaying at the time, that's how
many VCRs she had, and she justtaped the news for 30 years,
and now that that record is islike invaluable, because not
only does it have the news, thelittle incidental things, but
also commercials aired duringthat, you know, and so it's like
(06:56):
there's a film about that aswell.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
she's amazing and they didn't save all of those
things, did they?
They?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Yeah, it wasn't.
The news station did not saveall of those things.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
That's right, but it's hit and miss.
You know, certain things getsaved and it's just amazing the
things we uncover.
I mean, the other story that isso interesting is a woman was
coming here to research herfamily the driver family and so
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we had some information for her.
But we have these scrapbooksthat Dr Fisher one of the main
collections that we have herefrom him from many years ago had
something on Irvington, whereher family was from, and she's
leaving through this scrapbook,and she actually found the
(07:48):
marriage certificate of hergreat-grandfather.
Who would have known that thatwas there?
And she got it.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
Well, and you know what else is cool is cool?
It's like the little rabbitholes and how they open up
really big stories becausesomeone will come in.
Oh I just, I don't know what todo with this stuff and can you
guys use it?
And then, okay, well, you'vetaught me, patricia, to ask a
lot of questions.
So first tell me where were youborn, and they just start
talking and next thing, you knowyou've got this, all these
(08:21):
little tiny tidbits, and thenwhen you start researching those
tiny ones, you get really bigthings.
And that's when you rememberwhy it's fun to come here and do
your job, because sometimes youget bogged down with yeah, like
the other stuff, the hundredemails every day and people
asking you why it takes so longto get back to them.
But then you're like, well, Iwas researching this tiny little
(08:43):
thing that seemed veryimportant that day.
So, and sometimes for theperson, the patron that comes in
, it is a big deal to them thatyou took the time and and found
that information.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
So remember, too, when we had we all worked on
this together, we, I we had puttogether a list of dairies and
farms oh yeah, yeah, yeah, ahuge list.
We've been working on it forages.
And some guy comes in and hewanted to know.
(09:14):
He remembered this guy is inhis 70s but he remembered his
grandfather lived somewhere.
Oops, excuse me, I hit that Hisgrandfather lived somewhere on
Fremont Boulevard and he onlyknew one part of his name.
And we looked on this list thatwe've been doing this
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cataloging with and it came upand we found out close to where
it was.
And then we happened to have anaerial of that area and we
figured out where he lived inthe 40s.
And it was so exciting becausethen he brought he brought, uh,
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pictures of the farm and had noidea that there was even a farm
there, a small 10-acre farm or5-acre farm or something.
These are like gems, aren'tthey?
It's so fun.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Sometimes we forget about the fun stuff.
I know One question and you gottoo much.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's good.
That's why we're here.
Let me ask this because you'vementioned how a few people have
come in to look for their etcetera, et cetera, which is
obviously wonderful, as thepopulation of Fremont has, let's
say, rapidly changed in, say,the last 20 years.
If it were graphed, there wouldbe a spike.
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Yeah, there would be a spike,as the population of Fremont and
the surrounding, all the areasthat you cover with this museum,
as it changed.
Who is this museum?
Who is this collection ofhistory?
Who is it for?
Like, I wouldn't ask that ifthere hadn't been a change,
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Right?
Speaker 4 (11:05):
Does it change with it?
If?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
there's a brand new crew.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Well, the collection is for the whole population,
including the new.
When we had the 50thanniversary, 2006?
2006.
One of our projects was to dooral histories, and we did 30,
and we did them in eras of whenthe people arrived.
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So we had those who were bornhere or came before it was a
city, those who were there whilethe city was growing, and then
we had interviews with those whocame after.
So the new immigrant waves andthey continue to be expanding.
You know, the new immigrantwaves started with, I'd say you
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know, vietnam and Afghanistan,and of course then China and
Chinese and Indian, but theystarted actually even earlier
than that.
We have some board members whoare or people who work in our
historical community that youknow came.
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His father came.
Paul Sethi's father came fromIndia and his mother was Swiss
and we had a Swiss immigrationhere in the 30s.
So we collect a lot of it, butmaybe our face isn't always the
celebration of these ethniccommunities as much as it should
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be, and we've talked about that.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
We've talked about.
I always think about the timewe discussed putting a timeline
above these aerials and doinglike a timeline of immigration
to this area, starting with well, you can go before statehood,
but we haven't done it yet and Iwould say most of our visitors
are younger people who are newerto the area.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yeah, who come here are younger people who are newer
to the area, yeah, who comehere and we've actually had I've
had people who come in fromIndia and they go.
We used to have that kind ofwashing machine I mean, they
even are relating to some of thethings.
Or we got sewing machines andit's really funny.
You know the things that are inthe tangible things in our
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museum people relate to becauseit's just an era gone by.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Who visits the museum , Like who is interested and,
roughly speaking, how manypeople visit you know?
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Well, that's a two-part answer.
I mean, a certain amount arepeople who come to research or
to donate.
A certain amount are people whowander in because they're in
the area.
Sometimes it's people who justwant to avoid traffic for a
little while.
And then you've got people whointentionally come in with their
kids because they're justtrying to help their kids learn
about local history.
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But then we've got a ton ofvisitors who are students with
their teachers and they come infor Diane's program.
So we do school tours here andthen third graders come to the
museum, fourth graders go toRancho Higuera and Diane runs
both programs.
Diane, Holmes.
Yes, Diane Holmes and gosh.
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I wish I had a number.
I could get it to youafterwards, but that's the
majority of yeah, we have a lot.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We have a very large student program and Diane fills
up because there are just somany hours and we'd like to
expand it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Yeah, she actually runs out of space.
Every year she fills every slotand more.
We tell her stop, but and shedoes.
I don't want to call them boxtours, because I think they're
called history in a box.
She does the history goes intothe classroom for kids who
aren't allowed to do carpoolingor but they can't afford the
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buses.
And so she gets the programminginto the classroom for kids who
aren't allowed to do carpoolingor but they can't afford the
buses.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Um, and so she gets the programming into the class
and the teacher administers it,or diane administers yeah, so
again, I can give you thenumbers afterwards, but so
that's the, that's, that's thelarge number of people that that
are exposed to, um, ourprograms or our museum, um, yeah
, but you've days with.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
No, you have days with one person who comes in and
days where it's like arevolving door.
It just depends on the day andwhat people are doing.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
You know we have old-timers who come in too and
just want to look.
They really love the maps andyeah and talk.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Switching subjects, getting a little more specific.
The Internet Archive wasrecently cyber-attacked.
One were you aware of it?
It sounds like you were and twowere your archives at all
impacted?
Speaker 4 (15:59):
I don't think so, Not that I yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
I think so, not that I yeah, no, no.
So we, our collection on theinternet is mostly been with
archivesorg, or it's calledCalRevealed.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
Yeah, everything we have on archiveorg is
technically filtered fromCalReveal.
We don't have anything we'veindependently uploaded.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Other than through our Past Perfect program.
There are some things that wehave.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
To the best of your knowledge, that stuff was left
alone.
I have used your online oralhistory recordings in a lot of
my own work and I think they'regreat.
I love them.
Can you tell me a little bitabout the two main, because
there's more than two, but thetwo main, like oral history
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archivists that you have therePhilip Holmes and Me.
Patricia.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
Or are you thinking of?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm thinking of the other name.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Is it Dr Fisher?
It's.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Fisher.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Okay, from back in the day, yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Dr Fisher, yeah, and Philip Holmes actually in in the
archives that you, if you lookat the ones that are posted on
CalRevealed, those are all fromDr Fisher and I've been I've
been doing more recent ones,awesome.
More recent, meaning the last 20years.
Well, I've only been at themuseum for like 20 years, so I
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mean those recordings are fromthe 70s and 80s and some of them
back into the 60s and a couplefrom the 50s, so they really
captured some of the people whoare no longer here For the
clarity of the people listening.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
the recordings were made in the 60s and the 70s and
the stories go way farther back.
They're not talking about theircurrent life.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
No, some of them were close to 100 years old when
they were being interviewed.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Like the drawbridge stories, I constantly find
myself asking people did he eversleep?
Because he just the amount ofthings that we have that Dr
Fisher touched.
I don't understand how he didit.
He had.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He actually had a core of people who went around
and did a lot of research forhim.
He had you know, some of theinterviews are not conducted
just by him but representativesof him and he, he got his.
He got in the 70s and 80s therewere a lot of people very
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interested in local history andDr Fisher and later Phil Holmes
had local history classes andthey sent people out in the
community.
They didn't save every piece ofwhat the people did, but there
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were a lot of active members andthere's still people who worked
with those two people to get alot of local history.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It's kind of funny how local history gets sort of
like baked into you becausewe've had these waves of
historians that I can think ofgoing back, like Jill, like Phil
and Lila and the people we havenow and everybody did it for
different reasons, I'm sure, butyou sort of it's a way to feel
connected to your community,because I live in Union City but
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I work in Fremont and myfriends who don't live here
because I grew up here.
Also I have friends who don'tlive here anymore and they don't
understand, well, why do youstill want to live there?
I mean, and that's not justpointed at one specific thing,
that's just a general questionand it's like well, this is my
community.
And when you learn history andyou study it and you're doing it
every week, you see historywhile you're driving around, you
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see what was there, or, likealways, say, the trees can tell
you what was there before,because they might lead to where
a house once stood or some kindof path or something like that,
and so you feel a connectionthat those people who don't
study the history of where theylive don't feel.
I don't know if I'm explainingthat right.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Yeah, it is.
What you're explaining ispeople who love history, and
it's really amazing because ifyou look at the people who have
been very instrumental in ourmuseum and the other historical
groups, many of them were notborn and raised here.
They love history and whereverthey go, they just find out
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about their community.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
And they add to it yes, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
I mean Philip Holmes came from Washington and he
wrote all kinds of things aboutWashington, but he was so
prolific here, I mean for morethan 30 years, he wrote articles
every week and you know, and DrFisher, I mean wherever they
loved history and they collectedeverything.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
And it's not just the history of who was here, it's
who is here now, it's thestories that are happening now,
and that's you love history,because you love stories.
And we were talking aboutpeople throwing things out.
You don't save that old, dustything because it's cool.
It tells you a story and if youdon't have that, if you don't
discover it again in the attic,then you forget the story.
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And once you tell someone thestory and they record it,
someone else can hear it in 20years.
So, yeah, we just love stories.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
That's what it comes down to, and that's what history
is too, because the stories arepersonal and you relate to that
, because you feel the humanityof people who lived here before
and their struggles.
You know there's always theselittle pieces and as you, you
know, if you even go to researcha person where they lived and
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see who their neighbors were,pretty soon you're building a
life.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's like Minecraft.
Yeah, it's so fun.
You literally watch it, you cansee it in your head happening
and then you're like suddenly ohyeah, I'm back at this computer
.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Like even sitting here.
You know God, the firemen werehere and oh they were over there
and hi, I wonder.
You know, it's just that, it'sthat kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
And being by Ohlone, I always think about it being
just this open land and somebodyjust having an orchard up there
.
It's just so fun to imaginelike an overlay on top of your
real life it is, and then youcan escape the other stuff
that's stressing you out.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
So it's really quite nice.
It's the stories and the placeand they just keep piling on and
you get to delve into thoseLike chipping off wallpaper in
an old house.
Yeah know, you get to delveinto those Like chipping off
wallpaper in an old house.
Yeah and you get to delve backin.
If you're in the place or youhave the object or you know, you
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can revive the stories, andthey're all human.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Okay, so tell me individually, tell me your
favorite tiny local historystory.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
You just asked us to do something tiny.
That's hard.
We just told you so many.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
No, but like where the joy of it comes from.
It's like disposability, Likeit isn't some grand plan with a
street named after it.
Right, a real story.
But like a little oh, they usedto do this Mm-hmm, mm-hmm of
this and that A real story, butlike a little.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Oh, they used to do this.
Well, you have to think of sometiny tidbit that you have
learned while working in historythat gets you excited.
Like I always think of CandyAnnie, and I don't know why
because she seems like a cartooncharacter to me.
Like I want to write a bookabout how cute she is in her
little candy shop, because inevery picture of her in Newark
she seems like she's ahead ofher time.
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I think that's why she's like afigure that my brain constantly
goes to so who?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
is.
Candy Annie.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
Candy Annie Fowler.
She owned a little candy shopin Newark.
March Callow is hergreat-granddaughter or
granddaughter.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Was Something like that.
I think she was.
I don't know that Candy Anniehad any children.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
I don't think she did , so that doesn't maybe it's her
aunt.
Yeah, Just someone in Newarkwho, whenever her name pops up,
you get these like yeah, we havepictures of her too.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
It's really.
She was close to six feet tall,and when she was young, we have
pictures of her on motorcycleswith friends, and this was in
the 20s.
So you know, it's just.
You'll often wonder what wasshe like?
Who was she I?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
think that's why she's so funny is because we
don't know a lot about her.
We don't know a lot about herand yet you're constantly
wondering about her.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
And you wish somebody had interviewed her.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yes, Sort of yes, so that's one of my like big
question mark ones.
So that doesn't answer yourquestion.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, yes, it does what is your favorite.
Well, yes, it does what is yourfavorite.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Well, I can't.
I mean Something swift, what'smy favorite?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I'm certainly not asking what is your favorite
overall, but I'll give you anexample.
I'll tell you mine.
I learned it here in this room,oh, and I just think it's
delightful.
It prompted the question, infact.
Okay, on Olive Avenue there areand have been olive trees.
It's titular and I learned thatway back in the day, I don't
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know when, the kids would climbup the first olive tree at like,
say, this end, the Mission, sanJose area, kind of end of it,
and they would.
The streets weren't as theywere and the olive, you know,
the trees were way closertogether because there were no
cross streets and they wouldclimb the branches from each of
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the olive trees and make theirway all the way down into
Irvington, kind of where itstops.
Where did you hear that?
In this room?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Who told?
Speaker 2 (26:22):
you, I don't remember , but it was I.
When I heard that I thoughtthat was just so lovely.
It's just a whole like highwayof tree children making their
way down into Irvington, justfor the fun of it that's
probably Barbara.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
That sounds like a Barbara.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
She lives on Olive but that reminded me of that is
a great story, jim Griffinuh-huh, because he grew up in
Irvington and he tells a story.
There was, of course therewasn't the overpass, the way it
is now going.
So there was quite a steep hillgoing down and it went over the
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railroad tracks and he saidthey could get on their skates
and skate all the way From themission home, from the top of
the hill, all the way down.
They would skate all the wayFrom the mission home, from the
top of the hill all the way down.
They would skate down.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Was he on Bay Street?
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Yeah, they would skate to the four corners or the
five corners.
They would skate to the fivecorners.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
You know that's interesting, because one thing
that is really fun is when youstart researching and you are
able to learn, you know four orfive generations back and not
just, oh, and that's the name.
It's like you have thesestories and Jim Griffin is a is
a really good example of that.
You know he when did his first?
It's um Ricks, right, timothyRicks, which is like 1850s,
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1860ss.
Yeah, it was way back and he'shere.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Jim is here now, fifth generation, yeah, fifth
generation, and he can tell youstories all the way back, but
the skating going down was notskate skating like now, they had
the metal skates and theydidn't have to do anything.
They just had to hang on,basically, oh my goodness.
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And it was like we got all theway down without doing anything
or just trying to stand up.
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
I have a neighbor, hi Allison, who has told me that
we live near the hills, reallynear the hills kind of in the
Niles, adjacent Niles Crest area, and she's been there for a
long time and she said that whenshe was a kid they would take
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pieces of large cardboard and goup the hills and then come down
on the cardboard cardboard.
Speaker 3 (28:54):
And another tidbit actually, joe Bohoffer was one
of the people at CloverdaleCreamery and they had the ranch
that is where the hub is now,before they opened Cloverdale
and he's talked about.
Oh, I remember they used tofeed their cattle at Coyote
Hills and then when they movedthem back to the ranch it was
all on the roads and they wouldjust you know the few cars that
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were coming by.
They just would have to waitfor the cattle to get past.
That's how it's changed, rightthat's how it's changed right.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
It's kind of fun with history because you can you can
sort of forget about the thingsyou are thinking about now,
like this morning on kqed.
The perspective was about goingto bed early and waking up
early and how, in the morning,if you're awake before everyone
in your house, you don't haveany, you don't have any screens,
you don't have any sound andyou just have yourself and it's
quiet.
And that's how I feel when Iwalk from my house to Meyer
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Garden in Dry Creek.
It's like you enter anotherworld and nobody's thinking
about the other side, which isjust Mission Boulevard whizzing
by side, which is just MissionBoulevard whizzing by.
So that's what it is.
When you start delving intohistory, you get to think about
all the.
It's not that the past doesn'thave controversy and difficult
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things, it's just they're notyour problem today.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
I live in the same house I grew up on and behind us
was the dairy farm I grew up onand I still that's that.
One story I remember all thetime is that when my mother told
the story actually because welived in an agricultural area,
the climate was very different,because when we had cold weather
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, tule fog or fog would raisefrom the earth because it was
all wet and we could not see.
In the wintertime you couldn'tsee anything.
And just to make the turn fromwhat is now Stevenson Boulevard
to Omar, it was so foggy mymother had to get out of the car
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and walk in front of the car sothat my dad could turn on the
street that we lived on.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Just follow me home.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
And I never moved from my house.
And they changed the name fromCook's Road to Omar Street for
who knows what reason.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Let me ask you touched on this very briefly and
let me dig into that what isthe best way to deal with a
city's troubling history?
Speaker 4 (31:50):
To actually talk about it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Like you know, mission, san Jose and the
treatment of the Ohlones,irvington Five Corners and its
original name, the Japaneseinternment.
The buses that Dorothea Langetook in Centerville, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
And the myriad others that we aren't even mentioning.
And the ones that we aren'teven mentioning, yeah, what's
the?
Speaker 2 (32:13):
best way for us to tackle those darker moments.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
That's what Tracy's been talking about.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
We actually have been talking about that, because I
was just at Muir Woods.
I was just at Muir Woods andthey're changing their signage
to add real points about whothey used to honor and put the
reality of other aspects ofpeople that they honored even.
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And I think we should start andwe've talked about this start
incorporating it both in ourexhibits and then in any other
presentations that we have andmaterials we have.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
I know Mission San Jose.
They are working to alter theirmuseum right now.
They're going to start tellingthe proper story and that's
really exciting.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
So that's, and then maybe our subject should
actually have displays about youknow, the things that you went
on that are sort of notacknowledged.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Yeah, because we're always talking about trying to
tell the stories of the peoplewho weren't heard, then Right.
But you know you've got to go astep further than that and talk
about the stuff that was reallyhard, right, and acknowledge it
.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Yeah, like one of the interviews I did with a
resident in Niles.
You know, her father's familycame from Mexico and Mexican
people were very muchdiscriminated against and he was
in the war in the Second WorldWar, and when he came back he
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worked for Rodin's Nursery,which was great.
But he lived in a certain areain the Niles and he wanted to
live up on the hills and theyhad covenants in that section
and they named types of peoplewho were not allowed to live
there.
So he bought the house throughsomeone else and they tried to
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kick him out and the people inNiles actually supported him and
helped him with a lawyer and hewon.
That's a great story.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Yeah, it's a really good example to explain the
situation.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
We should actually publish that.
You know, get her to talk aboutit.
There were newspaper articlesand this happened in the 60s, I
think.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Let me ask you.
We are in the kind of main area, the main workspace of the
museum, and just over therethrough that door is the kind of
the collection, the artifactsthat were, is the kind of the
collection, uh, the, the, theartifacts that were displaying
the museum yeah, um, I wanted toask this, like are there any
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objects of like historicalimportance or relevance that you
know you don't have and want?
obviously there's a lot of stuffthat you don't you didn't even
know that existed, but there'slike, oh, there's that thing and
we don't have and want.
Obviously there's a lot ofstuff that you don't, you didn't
even know that existed, butthere's like, oh, there's that
thing and we don't have it.
Man, that would be nice to have.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I don't know if this is technically like, there's a
city seal in city councilchambers that was made by Alice
Eve Wright and it's like, ooh, Iwish we had that, but I'm glad
it's somewhere and it's ondisplay and it's part of you
know, everyday use.
But it's like, ooh, that'd benice to have.
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And I would say an alternateanswer is everybody's photo
collections.
For me, I'm always like justbring your photos in, I'll scan
them, I'll give them back to you.
You don't have to give them tous, know, because people don't
want to let go of their photos,but I would love a scan of that
because the photos are like tome, the most exciting thing,
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yeah they, they are.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
I think, yeah, every time I interview someone they
say, oh, they bring a couple.
I go, let me see your album.
Speaker 4 (36:25):
Yeah, let's see them all and can we borrow them for
two days.
You know it's like suddenlyyou're kicked into high gear
about we're going to scaneverything really fast but
people don't think their historyis valuable.
But then when they starttalking you realize we're all
connected and everybody'shistory is valuable.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I will say on this podcast.
One of the things we've said inearly, early, early staff
meetings is we say it as a joke,but we mean it as a philosophy.
We say we should keep track ofwhat the population number is
for Fremont, because that's howmany episodes we can do, because
everybody's story oh, you don'twant to, you wouldn't want me
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on the podcast Like do you exist?
Do you live here and or workhere?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Right, hi yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Episode number 7 billion, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
I mean we're very similar in our goals.
It's loving stories and valuingeverybody and valuing everybody
.
We have it in just this area,but just the value of everyone's
story and how it fits into thiswhole beautiful quilt.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
How have your walking tours evolved over time?
You guys do great walking tours.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
I wasn't here when they began.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, I mean, they used to do tours a long time
before I even came here.
You know, Dr Fisher and PhilHolmes and others had walking
tours.
How have they evolved?
Speaker 4 (38:06):
Well, a lot of the buildings are gone.
I would say that's true inevery single walking tour.
I mean we can't even do a WarmSprings walking tour because
there's nothing here's WarmSprings Elementary, that's
pretty much it.
Yeah, so I would say a lot ofthe tours have changed in that,
even just since I have been here, which is like 11, 12 years 11
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years maybe a lot of thebuildings are gone.
Additionally, we do the hikingtours now, which are really cool
.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, we've done a few hiking tours.
Patricia will take me onseveral mile urban, rural hikes.
Right, I've done a couple ofthose and I've done three.
Actually, I've done three.
I've done Irvington, andthey're about five to six miles,
but some people get prettytired.
But you can go out further andyou can talk about things.
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You know, it's really nicebecause, like, yeah, it's nice
to have a longer hike.
You don't get as many people,though, because or you get them
and then they leave.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
And it's kind of nice , because some years we have
this really packed schedule andwe have so much going on, it's
actually overwhelming.
And then some years it's very,very slow, but we always do the
walking tours.
That's like, no matter whatguys, we're going to do the
walking tours, so people cancount on that, which is nice,
and we do the walking tours, sothat's, people can count on that
, which is nice.
(39:31):
And we have a bicycle too.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
yes, dakota, right, my home, um, tell me about some.
Uh, we're gonna need toprobably wrap this up what this
is so fun.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
It's better than doing what I have to do, which
is the emails and you didn'twant to do it at all.
Speaker 2 (39:44):
I know I can't stop you now tell me about some
future events that the museumnot all of them, but some of
them, any of them, even ifthey're rather far out.
It's okay, you guys are underthe year.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
The end of the year is always just the Mission, san
Jose stuff, las Posadas and thetree lighting, and then
typically we kind of come backaround Women's History Month and
I haven't talked to you aboutthis yet, but we were talking
about adding women into thecoloring book.
More women, another coloringbook.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, yeah exactly.
The museum has a coloring book.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
We have a coloring book.
It's awesome.
You've seen it.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Oh yeah, I've colored in it.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Yeah, and that is on our main webpage.
It's on the main page, but whatwe've been focusing on the most
is Union City History Museumand Union City History Group.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yes, that for the people that don't know, I will
give the briefest synopsis,hopefully one that doesn't
require correcting because it'sso brief.
There there has been for a longtime a Union City local history
museum.
It's in a really cool oldbuilding, much like this one.
It's really cool.
(40:56):
It's in a really cool part ofUnion City.
It's right near the mall, butit doesn't feel like you're
anywhere near the mall.
Yeah, there's a great littlefarmer's market next to it and
another Bronco's Billy's andlike a cool Ube-inspired.
It's like there are a lot ofcool things to do.
Yeah, it's a very cute littlearea and the person who ran it
(41:21):
is no longer running.
It Passed away.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Passed away and therefore there is an
opportunity for the community,members of the community,
members of Union City, membersof the local history, like the
larger area to pick up the torchand keep it going yes, that's
the hope and make it even moredynamic and improve it more
(41:50):
dynamic and improve it from whatit was in the past, in
collaboration with the UnionCity Chamber of Commerce.
That's what we're hoping for.
Speaker 4 (41:58):
And working towards.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And working towards.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
When can people visit this museum on Anza and
Ellsworth near Ohlone College?
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Wednesdays, fridays, 10 am to 4 pm every week.
Second Saturday and Sunday, 10am to 4 pm every month, and the
fourth Sunday, 10 am to 4 pm.
And if there's one single thingon our website that is
consistently updated and correct, it is our hours and dates open
(42:28):
.
So that is always going to.
If you are ever worried, checkour website.
That is consistently updatedand correct.
It is our hours and dates open.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
So so that is always going to.
Speaker 4 (42:31):
If you are ever worried, check our website, yeah
our website or and facebook.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah, website, for sure and um, until somewhat
recently, there were not a lotof great restaurants.
There was a gap, yeah, therewas a gap in was a gap in the
and there are good restaurantsto time period and that gap is
over because there are nowreally great.
(42:57):
Let's say, excuses to come uphere, do a bunch of stuff and
then also see the museum.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, mission.
San Jose is very quiet and thatcan be difficult, but it's also
also if we try to flipeverything on its head and look
at it as a positive.
You can come up here.
You can visit the museum, youcan go to Forrest and Flower.
You can go to Starbucks if youwant a coffee or something to
eat.
Now we've got the burger place.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
There's several places to get milk tea.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Yes, joyful dim.
What is the other one?
Ee Home Cooking.
And while we don't have a parkright here, we've got Palmdale,
which is open to the public,beautiful garden, you have Olive
Hide Art Gallery and you've gotOhlone College.
Well, of course, you have themission.
It's like almost a given.
I didn't even mention it, but,yes, you can visit the mission
(43:48):
or walk around the mission andyou can walk around Ohlone
College campus which, believe itor not, is absolutely beautiful
, and you can go up to themission.
Yeah, so it may seem likethere's nothing to do here, but
there actually is quite a bit todo.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
You could fill an entire afternoon and more.
There's a really good ramenplace down the street yes.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
Yes, yes, oh, and there's, I think, a Loni Deli.
Speaker 4 (44:12):
There's plenty of.
You know.
Things have come and gone, butthere's still quite a bit left,
yeah so.
Speaker 3 (44:16):
And for walking, Sabercat Canyon is just right.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yeah, there's an entrance One of many entrances,
but yeah, there's an entrance sobeautiful.
And Pine Street Park has aplayground, I mean, yeah, so
come up and visit us.
I would say in this kind of Idon't know what to call it, but
like this main section, notquite as far out as Pine, not
(44:41):
quite down the way to where thehouses really start, but like
this kind of slightly morecommercial area where you guys
really are, this kind ofslightly more commercial area
where you guys really are one ofthe more pedestrian-friendly
spaces.
So we're saying a billionthings for people to do.
You can do them all on foot,Like maybe Niles wins on that
(45:03):
front, but like darn, it's aclose second.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
It's a nice second.
It's a.
It's a.
It's a nice second.
Yeah, it is, it's very mission.
San jose is it's I've, I'vestill I'm struggling to describe
it, but it's like a feelingmission.
San jose has a feeling and youdon't, um, you just have to
experience it.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
Like okay, granted, after 7, it's closed.
Speaker 4 (45:30):
Yeah, but that's part of the allure.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
But like there's kind of nothing to do at night, yes,
but during the daylight hours,yes.
Speaker 4 (45:37):
Oh, there's the craft beer place too.
There's a craft beer place.
Yeah, I forgot about that thereactually are quite a few.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
There's a bunch of bo's good stuff here.
Speaker 4 (45:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
I don't know if I'd spend a week vacationing here,
but like a Saturday, because youlive in Fremont.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, absolutely Well , and some I will say, like for
the museum.
Some people say, well, somepeople come over and over, Some
people oh, I've been there, Idon't need to go again.
But the fun for me of ourmuseum yes, I love exhibits, but
for me it's the collection.
So come in and ask a questionand then help us research in the
collection.
Speaker 2 (46:15):
that's what's really really fun yeah, like if you
think you've seen the museum,you're correct, but then come in
again and ask a differentquestion yeah and you won't have
seen the museum yeah, and everytime it's funny.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
Every time I orient people, I think of something
else to talk about.
It's like you don't always saythe same thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 4 (46:40):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
I really think we should wrap it up.
That was great.
Speaker 4 (46:44):
Thank you so much.
Thanks, andrew, all right.
Speaker 3 (46:52):
You couldn't stop us.
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