Nintendo Switch 2, Last of Us, Xbox Event - Game Junction Podcast #126 - The Game Junction Podcast

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Mark Trobough (00:02):
what is it everybody, mark, we're here with
brandon, episode 126 of thegame junction podcast, your
number one source for whateverwe do here.
What do we do here, brandon?

Brandon Hurles (00:16):
I have no idea what we do here.

It's uh, we do whatever, I guess, right yeah,
trying to go in a lot of energythere, normally just like yo.
What's up everybody?

no, I loved it.
I'm here for it uh, gotta get.

There's an energy behind it.
We're a century and a over acentury and a quarter of
episodes away, so that's crazyman we've been this far it is.

It's really crazy, man that made it to 126.
Who knew?
I was actually listening backto episode two today a little
bit because I was going throughthe Spotify stuff checking some
stuff.
So it started playing.
I was like man, what aprogression this show has made,
truly.
I mean, it's been throughmultiple phases of, uh,

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different things and it's it'sbeen very interesting, very
interesting ride for sure.

So oh, it definitely has, and I guess
going forward it's pretty muchgoing to be like the bulk of the
news this month.
I feel like until you get tolike june, or even in june, it's
just a lot of not a lot ofnintendo stuff, because not not
a whole lot else has happened.
It feels like, like you knew,once the Switch announcement
happened, it was just going to,especially this month, it was
just going to suck all the airout of the room and you get the

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feeling, until summer hits andyou start getting some of these
other games dropping some oftheir news from summer for the
back half of the year that theykind of knew this was coming so
they just kind of like vacatedany kind of like major like news
cycle and just allow nintendoto eat it all up.
Unless you ubisoft, and it'sjust you know you can't stop
shooting yourself in the foot.

But yeah, that's true that's uh.

Did you get any?
Uh, because I don't know.
If you want to like, do uh, dosome pickups first, then we head
head right in the news, or yeah, go ahead.
You got, you got some pickups,go ahead yeah, so three of these
things I picked up surprisinglyat gamestop today.
I didn't even tell Brandon, soit's going to be a reaction for
him, but my SoulSilver finallycame in today.
So my $300 spent on just thegame cartridge for HeartGold and

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SoulSilver Hopefully it's moneywell spent.
When I actually get around toplaying these games and I was
also shopping around for blackand white, I think it's black
two and then platinum those arelike the games I need to get.
So like I have pretty much allthe games, for the most part in
one way or another.
I've got all those games that Ican play, whether a physical or
digital or in some cases both.
Like you know, red, blue andyellow.

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I've got those physically, butI've also got those digitally on
the 3ds and stuff like that.
Luckily, before the, the storekind of shut down, yeah, I also
found some other neat stuff.
This first one, I think, wasthe most surprising, or you know
what I'll add.
The most surprising one last uh, these are two games and I
never owned an original xbox,but these are original xbox

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games and they were made by fromsoftware and it's a one and a
two.
What do you think?
They are original xbox, like itwas like oh three, oh fours
when these games came out.
Give or take, or oh two, ohthree armored core no, you know,

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what's funny is on the back theadvertised hd tv at 480p.

I thought that was funny on the back of these
well, it was a big deal thenit's time that not there wasn't
a lot of 480p games on theoriginal xbox.
Actually, um, dang, I don'tknow.
I don't know he doesn't know.

So it's a otoki myth of demons, and then otoki 2
, immortal warriors.
The second game was like thoseare from software games.
I did not know that, wow youknow what's sad is, uh, the the.
The one was 30 a game stop.
The other one was 60, so Iguess it's pretty much like the
price of a new game, which Iassume it's just a really

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popular, because a lot of xboxgames are under.
Most of them are under tendollars, like between five and
there's a lot of cheap ones.

I collect them.
I collect them myself and yeah,there's a lot of because I got
my original.
I saw that and I was like Isearched and saw some good
reviews.

I'm like, oh, these must be really popular,
really good games.
I mean from software, they'vemade a lot of good games.
I was like, oh, I don't knowanything about these games, I'll
, I'll pick them up.

I never got to play the second one, but the
first one is great.
I loved it.
I had no idea it was fromsoftware.
Yeah, Mr Coffee's got greatgames.

Unless Xbox works with these.
For the backwards compatibilityI'll have to find either buy an
original Xbox or find a digitalplatform to actually play the
games.

I imagine those are not backwards compatible.

Yeah it wouldn't surprise me.
So I mean you can check thelist but I imagine it's not I
have to find a way to play those, just because, as of right now,
I don't legit have a way toplay them.
But I was, like you know,there's, I will say, original
aren't ridiculous, so it's worthgetting one.

I think they're worth owning for sure.
I've been picking up a lot ofolder games.

Some of those are like they tend to lean more
towards the ds.
But I also got a game boy colorgame and this game cost me uh
53 before tax.

A game stop okay , it must be a good one, you
have a guess on what it could be.

53 I was surprised I saw the color game.
The price didn't surprise me.
I'm pretty sure the batteryneeds to be fixed.

Oh, it's got a big data it's got a battery, so
we're talking like uh it's got aclear, see-through case and it
is a first party nintendo gameokay, crystal uh, a clear,
see-through case a clear.
Oh well, it's got the it's gotthe clear see-through cartridge.

It's a new game on the Game Boy Color.
Give you one more guess.

Gosh, I feel like I should probably know this
.

To be fair, there's been a pattern of games
I've been picking up.
That helps For handheld gamesthat I pick up at GameStop.

It's the first party, so I'm like I don't.

On the Game Boy Color.
I was hoping it would kind oflean you in the right direction.

I know I color.
I was hoping it was kind ofkind of leaning in the right
direction.
I know I'm trying to think I'mwhat.
What had the clear case?

that was the first part I'll give you one
more hint, if you want it allright, yeah, give me another you
can play this game on nso I'mpretty sure like 90 know it's, I
, I can't think, think it's onlyone of a sequel series of games

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kind of like pokemon, uh, butit's legend of zelda, oracle of
seasons oh my gosh I dideverything I could to help you I
know I should have known thatgame point, color games I.

Should have known that you got to get work.
Oracle of ages, as my, is oneof my favorite zelda games ever,
still today I was justsurprised because I've, I've.

This is the first time I've even seen a game boy
color game there and I saw thatI was like I don't even know how
much it was.

I was like I have to buy that mine never got
that and unfortunately it'sclosing down.
You can't even do switch topre-orders when they come up, so
yeah, that sucks.

Luckily, it really sucks if mine shut down.
The next closest store is allthe way in salt lake city, so
yeah, this sucks.

Man, I'm pretty disappointed about as crappy as
gamestop can be at times.

We still, I still , I still uh, shop there a lot
and do a lot of business goodother, you know other other,
just uh memorabilia, though Iwish they would kind of get a
better selection of stuff intheir stores and the idea to
kind of start focusing on the uhon the retro game market.
I don't think it's a terribledecision, I just think like it
needs to be a thing at everystore like it's not like a big

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thing, like you look up the theretro stores and there's not
that many no, but like it gamestops selling some of these
games you're being a place totrade in.
You know, to me kind of makessense.
I, I mean, I get it's like a,it's like a dying business,
unless they were to likeradically change what they do.

But yeah, I don't know.

No, it's unfortunate everyone that's been
there forever too, so everyonecraps on them.
But like, let's be fair, formost people like unless you're
in a in or near a major city,that's the only place, it's the
only option for any kind of gamestores.
Like unless you live in a metroarea where you can have stores
that that cater towards gamesprimarily retro, but they have a
different variety of stuff.

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In a small community like youjust don't have the option.

Like gamestop is really your only option you
know, like for me I'm in a smalltown, so like there is no other
option other than like walmart,and they don't even.
You know you can't do all thethings you can't at walmart,
like you can't game stop andit's just, uh, it's unfortunate,
man, because yeah, like walmartdoesn't get a lot of this stuff
now doesn't like brand newstuff, yeah, it's, it sucks, man

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, it really sucks.
I am pretty disappointed aboutit.
But, um, yeah, hopefully.
I will say this I am supposedto be securing the Nintendo
Switch kiosk, so that's goodnews.

As long as it doesn't fall through as long as
you can put it, but it's neat tohave.

I don't know yet either, but actually I'm
probably going to end up puttingit at work for now until I
figure out what I can do with it.
But as long as it doesn't fallthrough, I'm supposed to be
getting it.
Yeah, because at least I reallylike the sound.
I get everything, but theconsole.

I think the retro game was a really smart
decision, or at least the factthat my store is doing it, just
because more of what I buy nowis DS games, 3ds games, some
older like uh, I've gotten some64 games and stuff like that now
.
Uh, now I game some xbox.
I well, I don't think I pickedup any ps2 or ps3, but I was
surprised.

That's like.

That's like most of what I buy now, because I I
I'm in there like once a week orevery other week, and every
time I'm in there I usually findat least one nice little gem of
a game or something like that.
Yeah, which is really surprisingand stuff like that, because I
know a lot of what they get isprobably people here locally
that sell stuff to them.
But it's just neat that likethey have that option there.
I didn't pick it up because Icouldn't remember if I had or

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not, but they also had a um, uh,it's super mario 64, I think
for the sick I, but I couldn'tremember I actually had that
game, so I didn't pick it up.
But I was like I'm alreadyspending enough money on these
three games, I don't need to buyanother one now.

Somebody asked on Twitch is Nintendo doing
anti-consumer practices with $80games?
I remember the media got onSony at the start of this gen
when they announced $70 games.

Yeah, but I mean $70 has kind of become the new
standard and then for all weknow it's only the one right now
.
but to be fair with everythingelse going on economically and
there's a lot of stuff that gointo that.
This isn't surprising, andstuff like that.
Um, obviously, if you want tobuy used, you know, give it some
time.
You know, with the physicalmarket and stuff like that,

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there's always that option, butit's.
I mean, everything's just overthe last five years, five, six
years, everything's just gottendrastically more expensive and
it's just as much as you don'twant it.
You've kind of seen the writingon the wall for a while now.
Yeah, especially a few monthsago we started talking about oh,
is gta6 going to be a hundreddollars?
because right regardless of thequality of games.
That just opens the door for 80, 90 hundred dollar90, $100 game

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price tags, whatever thesestudios want to price them at.
And obviously if you're goingdigital like if you play on a PC
and you use Steam and stufflike that and you're willing to
wait a year or two to buy a game, obviously you can get them
significantly cheaper, thoughit's the drawback of being
digital and stuff like that.
So it's kind of a give and takebecause you you gotta think

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these studios probably knowthey're gonna lose some level of
sales with these higher pricetags and they have to be taken
that into account.
Like you, you can't assumethese people are.
They're running likemulti-billion dollar.
You know corp businesses.
They're not like completeidiots, they're.
So they have to like do a arisk analysis essentially and if
, if there's enough of apushback like you know people

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have talked about with the, the3ds and stuff like that they'll
to some degree be willing topull back on on some of the
prices.
But we also it feels like it'sharder for Nintendo games to
know how much development costsfor these.
Like we know how some studiosand you hear about their, their
development costs and stuff likethat.
But you also have to weigh thatagainst.
Well, how many get copies of thegame?
Am I going to sell and stufflike that?

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And then you know, you knowreplayability, how good is the
end?
There's a lot of stuff thatthat go into it.
But I mean, the $60 was prettystandard, probably around the
the to gamecube around.
That era is where that $60price tag has been like cemented
for like over 20 years.
But like, yeah, you know,there's a lot of other other

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stuff that goes into that where,like, everything just has
gotten more expensive.
Some of it that's out of theircontrol, some of it just because
they do things that just bloatthe cost of their games.
But uh, it's for me.
I'm just trying to try to takea moderate viewpoint, not be
extreme, because everyone on theinternet's just just taking an
extreme to either I don't care,or it's absolutely the salt of

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the earth and nintendo's evil no, I see, here's the way I see it
.

I see it as they've got this.
As we know mario kart we sawwhat happened with mario kart 8
deluxe.
They supported that gameforever.
I think they're going tosupport this game, probably for
the whole life cycle of thesystem, I imagine.
I think it's going to be a verybig game.
We know it's an open world game.
There's a lot to it.
I think it's going to be biggerthan even Mario Kart 8 Deluxe

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was.
I think it's going to bebringing back a lot of stuff.
It's going to be bringing in aton of new stuff.
What of new stuff?
I think they they know what Ithink that they're doing is
they're pricing at what theythink is fair for that
particular title.

I think that's how they're based off of
everything they see on their end, because obviously these people
are making these decisions,have access to their internal
information.
The best thing I could say and Ithink this we've been talking
about this for years becausevery rarely maybe I probably
average one game a year do Ipre-order, and very rarely even
I even buy a game at launchlet's just game we're going to
stream together is do it Peoplehave been talking about forever.

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Don't pre-order game and thenwait until after the game comes
out.
Watch some videos, watch somereviewers, watch a live stream
and determine whether or notyou're willing to, if you want
to play that price tag or youwant to try to wait to get it
cheaper.
I think that's like theultimate thing either wait for a
sale, watch people play thegame and see if it's something
that you're willing to spendthat much money on, because I, I

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get it.
A lot of people probably don'tspend as much money on games as
we do.
Yeah, uh, I, you know, luckilyenough, I've got the disposable
income right now to to, tosplurge a lot more than probably
some people do that's what wedo here.
That's what we do yeah, but it'sone of those things where it's
like don't you, don't pre-orderand crap, you shouldn't do it,
especially if you you know it,unless it's like a game you
absolutely must have at launchand just wait and see if it's

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what you want to play and ifit's a fun game you're like I
don't want to play the 80, I'llwait and hopefully it goes
cheaper on sale or I can find it, you know there are.
There are ways that, like, ifyou don't want to pay it, that's
, that's fine and it'sunderstandable.
I think that there's you.
You have to make the, the thecost analysis to you right, like
these studios have to whenthey're, when they're trying to

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price their, their games andstuff like that.

So they have to, because you see how many studio
closures there are and how hardthe game industry is right now,
like even though it's still thenumber one medium, like you
just see, it seems like therewas a week after week after week
where all these studio closuresand stuff like they couldn't
stay afloat, they couldn't stay.

I mean to be fair , like that's.
The other issue is a lot ofthese studios, they you put out
a bad product.
People didn't like it, so youdidn't play the game.
And some of those games, maybesome of them, they, maybe they
put out anything.

Or or like they put out good stuff, like there
was the uh, the studio that didhi-fi rush, amazing game, right,
like some people would say 10out of 10 game closed down right
there.
There's right.

When you came to the top that just, uh, they want
resources to go elsewhere.
It's sometimes you can put agood game out in the game, get
shut down.
Sometimes it's self-inflictedwounds.
It's I mean, at the end of theday it's these are, these are
businesses so that are owned byother businesses.
I will add gonna do what theyneed to to make money and I will
see if I can pull it up um it'sone of those weird back and

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forth things where, um, it'slike I get the consumer side,
but I've I also get where someof these businesses are coming
from to some degree.
So the best I can say is thebusiness is going to do what
they're going to do, so you haveto do what you're going to do.
All right, I'm waiting a yearor so, buying a used copy for 30
40 bucks.
That you think is moreaffordable.
That might be the option.

You don't always need to get games right at
launch so for our listeners, Iam pulling something up right
now to show that you know,things weren't always this way
with video games, and I very,very clearly remember this.
And this isn't even the mostexpensive.
I remember seeing games backthen.

I think I know what you're getting at.
Yeah.

I mean Phantasy Star was, I think it's.
Phantasy Star 3 was $90, Ibelieve, when it came out.
So this shows some of theprices of the games that came
out Earthbound $90.

What year was that?
Out of curiosity, this wouldhave been.
Should I go like 95, 94?

Yes, I think it was Trying to get the exact year
.

I'll go 94 for the time.
A year here is not going tochange a lot roughly the
cartridges for these were notcheap and it definitely drove
some of the cost up.
But if you do, just like the$60 standard here's another one
I can pull up as well.

Yeah, here's okay.
I was actually wrong no, Idon't have a year, but I have
another, another image, uh, no,you're good.

So I just went 94 a year a year to the left or
the right.
It's not going to change theseprices, but it's 60 back in 94
is the equivalent of like 130today.
Yeah, so if you just think oflike buying power, and obviously
there's a whole lot that goesinto different stuff like that,
but like the, the, it's that.
But there's some give and takeand some understanding.
Games were more expensive backthen.

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But there's also the side ofthe hardware was a little bit
more niche or the hardware wasjust more expensive in general
and they weren't really sellingas many copies.
So to offset the cost theyneeded to sell it for a lot more
because well't, it's not the,the industry, they weren't
having, like the, the, themillions of players today that
they did back then for some ofthese games.
So there's like there's a wholebunch of stuff that goes into

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it.

They didn't develop a standard for video
game costs either.

There wasn't a standard not really, it's just
early on.

They just priced it and stuff like that, and
they priced it how they thoughtit, they, they priced it
probably based on thedevelopment they spent on it and
stuff like that, and theyprobably they priced it,
probably based on thedevelopment they spent on it and
what they thought was fair fortheir particular based off how
many copies you're expecting tosell.

Because it's weird, because I know obviously
wasn't working on the 90s, I wasa kid, I was born in 93, so but
you get it like as a kidgrowing up like you'd maybe get
like one or two games a year,like maybe a game for your
birthday or a game or two forchristmas, and that that's like
all you were getting for like awhole year and stuff like that.
So like if you're thinking ofthe idea or even now as like a
parent of like you're gettinglike one to three games a year

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the 60 to 80 is probably alittle bit easier to swallow
compared to I'm buying a newgame like every month or every
other month or something likethat where that price tag might
be a little bit harder toswallow because you're seeing
the the cost kind of kind ofinflate.
But it's.
It's a weird thing because Ican think back like you used to
get really good at the game butyou only had like maybe five or
six games on a snes or a nes ora 64 or something like that or a

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genesis.
So like you just got used toplaying those those handful of
games as a kid and stuff likethat.

So yeah, yeah, for sure.

I mean like I could pull up so many there,
there is a uh, there is a propernuance discussion for for game
costs.
But like, if people don't wantto pay that price tag, I get it.
It's been 60 was the standardfor so long and now you're
seeing the sudden jump and jumplike every year another 10 for
the games and stuff.
Like that'd be one thing ifthey went went to the $70 price
tag, say back in 2018.

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And then it was almost anotherfive, six, seven, eight years
where you saw another $10 jump.
That would be a little biteasier compared to they're
jumping $20 and like a year anda half, two years.

Yeah, for sure.
I mean I could pull up aexample after example of of some
of the prices back then I mean,you see, doom on the super
nintendo 95, mortal combat 3, 95and that's in back then prices
and stuff like that.

So you gotta like take that into account too yes,
you gotta take.

No, it makes more sense when your parents are
like all right, you're gettingone game for christmas, that's
it.

You won't get another game for another year I
don't.

Don't have me bring up neo geo prices, because
, my god, holy crap, I'm gonnabe fair.

Those prices haven't dropped.
They're just as expensive formost of those, they're more
expensive that's what I'm saying.
Retro games are just they'vegotten.
I think they went down probablyin the early 2000s, and then it
spiked again I'll see if I canpull up, unless you're willing
to get like japanese games, thenthose are hit or miss.

but you know you probably can't play unless you
have the console Bro youimported games that were so
expensive, though it was soexpensive to import.

Well, I mean, if you were to go over there today
you could probably find retrogames far more affordable and
stuff like that.
It's a whole different market.
But there's pros and cons withthat.
But I do think it's funny Tomod your console, the SNes, to
play uh, super famicom games.
I think you just have to likeget rid of a piece of plastic in
the console and you can justplug the, plug the game in wait

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for which that's the I, I, I andI might be getting it wrong,
but I'm pretty sure most of theregion locking they did back
then wasn't software.
It was on the actual hardware,like they would add certain
things into the, the cartridgeslot that would prevent the
cartridge from going in.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
Because if you could actually get it to plug in you
would be able to actually playit.

I thought it was the Super Nintendo was one of
those where, if you essentiallyget rid of a piece of plastic,
you can put the Super Famicomgames in and they work.
That's what the region lock was, which I still think was stupid
back then, but I get it.

Look at these prices, these wholesale.
These are wholesale prices.
These aren't even the retailprices 120 for all these.

These are wholesale I mean it makes sense
when you realize the console.

It's not even retail price.

Like that's crazy now it makes sense why nobody
bought the neo geo 120.

Nobody's paying for these game and today one of
the greatest retro systems ofall time too, and it was that
console 500 back then.

Yeah, that's like the price of like the ps5 pro
today.

Yeah, hundred dollars, way more, that's like.
That's like 900.
I mean, try to buy it today.
I'm on the lookout for one,because I'll show you so what
year did that come out in?
Um, you have to google it realquick, because I'm not sure, uh
neo g, because I'm now.

I'm just curious what year came out.

I'm trying to get so it was released in 1990,
ordered one and remember I gotscammed with credit card deal.
Oh yeah, so I bought this.
This is it's a flash cart, so Ican play every game on the
system, because I thought I wasgetting it.

I still don't have a system yet, so okay, so
like if you account for from1990, when they came out.
I just rounded up to the 500 uh500 in 1990 is equivalent of uh
essentially 1200 today yeah,it's very expensive, yeah very
very, which is probably how muchit costs today, realistically
probably around that thousanddollar price you're, you're
right, you're looking becauseit's probably not.
They didn't sell that many, sothey didn't produce.

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They just stopped producingafter a while some of them loose
.

They got like damage and stuff for like eight
hundred dollars, seven hundreddollars, but then most of them
are priced well above a thousanddollars I think talking like
gaming prices just as a topic isis really fascinating.

And then it's like a whole thing going to like
well, why would they cost somuch back then?
Because it's like, like youknow, kind of like today there's
like so many things that gointo it on top of like.
Today it's either fully digital, so like the, the distributor
essentially produced the costand, yeah, you know, storage
space has just gotten so muchbigger and so much cheaper or,
uh, they were on like discs,whether it's, you know, the cds

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to blu-rays, and that'srelatively inexpensive.
That's why the ps2 did, or thethe playstation did so well, the
ps1 and the ps2 was.
It uses the, the cds essentially, I think, for both do they do
dvds for the ps, I can'tremember, but essentially they
used.
It was easier, more storagespace and it was just so much
cheaper, so you couldessentially undercut nintendo on
the average cost for games.

Essentially, yeah, and it looked better yeah,
mr coffee said people boughtthem during that time.
I remember we used to have alibrary we were selling.
So yeah, I think retro gamesalso play a huge factor in why
games are going up today.
I mean, like I said, the costof development has gone up.
There's so much to it.

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I feel like, if I'm beingrealistic, the price of video
games probably should have goneup a long time ago.
Right, I think a lot of thesestudios wouldn't have closed if
things went up a long time ago.

If you look at the average cost for inflation,
it really wasn't until 2020 thatall of a sudden it's just been
a massive spike.
But, to be fair, if there wasmore like a decade between these
ten dollar price jumps, itwould be far more digestible.
People would be like, yeah, andthen you just kind of get used
to it like they do with theseven dollars, but now all of a
sudden it's 80.
About a year later it's it'sgetting harder and harder to

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swallow because of how quicklythe prices are jumping.
Just because you know, I, whenyou, when you count for
inflation like the last fiveyears and everything else going
on, it's just everything's justgotten more expensive.
So it's like, you know, thegames are just doing that
exponential jump and it's justnot a, it's not an area where
maybe people have have as muchmoney or they've just been.
You've been so conditioned tolike one price tag.

Essentially, yeah, the thing is is like uh, I
haven't how come.
When the news came out likeobviously it's a rumor, we don't
know for sure, but it wastalked about everywhere when GTA
6 could potentially be ahundred dollar game, there was a
zero pushback on that.
I saw nobody pushing back onthat.

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But as soon as Mario Kart Worldgets announced, everybody's
pushing back on it, I think forI think it is not everybody.
I do see a lot of nintendo fansthat are like, okay, you know, I
understand the price jump, butthere's a lot of people pushing
back a lot of it's just becausethat's what trends.

People just like dunking on other people and
stuff like that, because if youonly play on the pc side,
everything's just significantlycheaper, though there's no
physical that goes along withthat.
So you have to take that intoaccount as well, because you see
it with with literallyeverything.
I'm not going to say we haven'tpartaken and dunking on, I
don't going to be softening achance I get, yeah we don't go
on a separate reason, notnecessarily we dunked hard on
our rival so, and then we endedup kind of liking it.

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So, yeah, right, that's all good, uh, but it really just comes
down to the fact of theperceived.
It really comes down to theperson, the, the individual
person's perceived value of thegame.
If it's a hundred dollars,everyone's gonna assume, based
off of their track record, thatgta6 will, it'll have the, the
perceived value, that it'll beworth a hundred dollars.
That's really what comes out.

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New people see mario kart.
It's like another mario kartgame or it's a.
It's a cheap racing game.
How, how in the world is theregonna be 80 for the content
there and stuff like that it's.
It really comes down to like ifyou thought that that the game
was, everyone was in agreement,that it was a big pack chain
with all this content and stufflike that, then it'd be less
guess what it really comes downto.
What you perceive is what.

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What's it?
What's it worth to?

you Guess what.
Here's the thing that peopledon't factor into that Mario
Kart 8 Deluxe $60 game.
Gotta get the expansion pass.
You have to pay for that right.
Nobody complained about that.
You have to pay for NintendoSwitch Online People do complain
about that, but these areseparate costs.

It's not like, well, because people assume
you're still gonna have to pay,that those costs on top of the
80 cost you.

we don't, we don't know that, though we don't
know, but let's know thatthere'll be x.
We don't know yet fair.

You can kind of assume any extra dlc you're
gonna pay more for, that's justan industry standard and stuff
like maybe maybe I mean maybe wewe don't know yet it could
happen for sure.
I mean, I'm not saying itwouldn't happen at all, but I
also think nintendo might be dlcfor it for sure I think
nintendo might be trying to takeadvantage of the fact that it's
a it's like their only firstparty game at launch.

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So most people that are goingto get this at launch will don't
won't have a problem paying the80 dollars and then maybe by
the holiday season, they drop itdown essentially what?

I'm always to 70 pissed off about is that on
that, that survey, Iaccidentally clicked the
non-bundled version, meaning Iwould have to buy it separately
I mean that's assuming you're,if I get through.
Yeah, if I even get through onthat.
I am at with my knowing my luckI won't even get through on
that.
With my luck I won't even getthrough on that.
I'll have to try to find itfrom a retailer and it's going

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to be a whole fight in thescalpers thing.
That's what I'm worried about.
I'm so worried about that.
I keep thinking about it.

And we do have some news later on as far as,
like the, at least for over herein the US and some of that
stuff the us and some of thatstuff, the new.

Uh, yeah, let me uh show the two.
I just hada couple smallpickups real quick, one of my I
can't actually like show inperson, so yeah, just just you
know the uh, about a half hourin, we haven't even gotten back
to any of the main content wewere going to talk about yet
pickups and then bam off to theraces all right.
So very, very, very expensivepickup that I got was this

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particular monitor here.
It's Alienware.
It's a 27-inch 4K QD OLEDgaming monitor.
It was $900.
It was very expensive.
I have a PS5 Pro.

It's like the price of a PS5 Pro.
I've got my.
It's like the price of a.

PS5 Pro.
It's more expensive $100 moreexpensive.
But yeah, it's fantastic, it'sabsolutely wonderful.
I haven't spent a ton of timewith it, with gaming yet, but my
God, it's unreal how crazythings look on it.
Man, it's just nuts.

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But uh, yeah, that was my, mymost expensive pickup, which is,
uh, breaking the bank there alittle bit.
But uh, I also got.
On a smaller note, my, I'm surea lot of people are aware of
sheets now because they're likeeverywhere.
Well, sometimes they carrypokemon cards.
I went in there.
They had a standee.
I've gotten two of theirstandees before in the past.

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I wasn't able to get this one.
They threw it away before Icould get it, but I bought the
last three packs they had thereand they happen to all be
different designs.
This is the first time I'vebeen able to buy any Journey
together and I've been looking.

Where did you get those at Sheets?
Okay, because, like my GameStopjust Completely stopped
carrying.

Yeah, mine did too.
Mine's not carrying them either.
I mean, obviously it wasclosing down, but they stopped
Getting in a while ago.

I know it's frustrating Because, like
essentially, I'm at this pointwhere I was like I have to buy
them online Because Walmartnever carries them.
They're always sold out.
Well, these are the first newPokemon packs I've gotten in a
very, very long time yearsUsually if you wait like a year
and stuff like that, thescalpers moved on to the new set
and you can get some of theolder sets Once they they get
more prints out later, I woulddo since evolving skies.

This is the first time I got in a new set.
When it's the new set, you knowwhat I mean Like there's
something fun about just justripping Pat ripping guys.

There's something fun about just just ripping pat
ripping a handful of packs andstuff like that.

I had these for like five days.
I haven't even opened them yet.
I mean to be fair.

I at one point I think I bought a bunch of cards
over the span of like threemonths up until christmas,
because I have like two weeksoff of work.
And then I just had like a crapton of cards.
Like I just spent you know two,three days just just ripping
and organizing them because likeI just I just packed it, bought
a little bit here, bought alittle bit there.
So I was like this is like myChristmas gift to myself, a
whole bunch of cards.
I spent like two days rippingthem and going through them.
I had enough time and enoughenjoyment out of it.

The one thing was I was deciding if I wanted
to do shorts with them, and thenalso I don't have anything to
put them in, so I need a binderyou got to get the sleeves top
loaders for some of your, yourgood cards.

Then you don't need a binder right away, but a
binder for for the cards as wellbut I've already at the very
least you should at least leavethem all.
The already got a good stack ofcards that need to be put in
something at least make sure yougot the sleeves and then buy a
handful of top loaders.
If you get any.
Any good pulls, you know, youknow stuff like that.
You put your good cards inthose and stuff like that.

So yeah, what I wanted to get was like one of
the retro, um, like old schoolpoke.
I've actually been looking.
Um, there's somebody onfacebook marketplace as two and
I had one of the binders.
As a kid I had the charizardone.
He's got the charizard andblastoise like 90s pokemon card
holders and he's got them onthere for 25 bucks.

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They got a little damage on theback, but he said he'll come to
Circleville this week, so Ithink I'm going to get those.

Just double check make sure the actual inside's
not damaged where the actualcards are going to go.

Yeah, I'm going to double check them, but if
that happens, that's reallyreally cool.

I do know they say if you're going to store
them you don't want, unless youcan avoid it, you, uh, you don't
want the, the three ring binderstorage oh really ones that
actually have the actual.
Uh, because it's easy for thecards to get bent on the three
in a three ring binder if youstack them incorrectly.
You can technically do it herethere, because I I ended up

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having to do it because it'sjust cheaper to get the three
ring binder ones.
But you have to be careful thatyou're not.
They're not going to getsmushed up against the ring
binder and get smashed and stufflike that.

So it'd be cool if I get some of those retro
ones pick up a few of them.

Why?

not, they're cool.
I mean, they got a littledamage on the back.
You can see on the photos.
They're old, they're from like98, so but I I had to be damaged
one way or another.
Yeah, I had the charizard one,so it'd be cool to to have that
again.
He's also got the blastoise one.
So, um, and there's a venusaurone out there that'd be cool to
get too.
But yeah, I just got to getsomething to put them in.

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So that's, that's the mainreason.
Like, see, I got like a randompokemon card just sitting here.
That's been.
I got a stack sitting overthere.
That's you know.
Yeah, I haven't been big onbuying the.
I'm big on the tcg pocket.
I really am.
I think it's a.

I think it's a great app the easiest way, the
most accessible and stuff likethat it is.

It's much easier for me and I'm just not
fighting the scalpers for these.
But I also got the pokemonselect mu statue here, or not
statue, but it's like a I guessyou would say like a figure, uh,
but it's from the select line.
I really like the select lineI've got lined up.
I wish I could show you guysthe lineup all here, the pokemon
like statues that are all likedifferent designs and come with

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two pokemon each.
Those are all setting righthere in front of me.
So I saw the pokemon select mu.
Mu is one of my favoritepokemon so I had to get that
there.
Unfortunately they don't have apokemon select like celiby or
jirachi or anything.
I wanted to get some of thosebut, uh, I was really hoping I
like, I like the, uh, the littleyou're.
So your little statue that yougot me from japan got me to open

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up all the other ones and putthem out here.
So that's the reason, reason Idid Cause when I opened that up
it was the first one I put overhere those I left sealed for
months I mean, I had probablyactually won them for like a
year and uh, I was like you knowwhat?
I'm going to open these up.

All these look good, right here, I really now
now I really want to get thefreaking jirachi one of what you
sent me, because they'rethey're blind, they're basically
blind bags, so you don't knowyour blind box.
I mean, they did sell where youcould get all of them together.
It was just like uh, it waslike eight thousand, it's like
eight thousand yen or somethinglike that.

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It was like it was expensivethey're really nice.

I really like them because they got like a
pokemon that like floats aboveit's hanging.

I'm just saying like japan loves their gotcha
pokemon.
Pokemon cards like the epitomeof that, but yeah uh, I have
marvel overpower cards from the90s.

They were thing thing.
I remember those cards.
I don't know they have any badyou could probably try googling
or going to some.

I know there's like sites for pokemon cards
that track the, the value.
You could try like searchingvalues and stuff like that.

I guarantee my dad still has his mark because
he's got all of his comic books.
It really comes down to thecondition of the card.
My dad, he collected the cardscomic books.
I know he still has all of thatstuff, but I've never asked him
about it.
I feel like I should ask himabout it.
I think it's the time to maybebe like hey, maybe we.
But I've never asked him aboutit.
I feel like I should ask himabout it.
I think it's the time to maybebe like hey, maybe we should

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pull some of these out, causethere might be some value and
stuff there.

Like uh, it's valuable.
Go get it.
Get it graded potentially ifit's in good condition, you know
, if that's something you wantto do he's got the uh comic book
long.

He was a big Superman guy.
That was his main thing, but hehad, like I said, the Marvel
cards.
We even had God.
What were the war cards that wecollected back then?
I think it was for.
Was it for the?
Was it Vietnam War?
Or was it for?
Let me see, I feel like itwould have been Gulf War.

then at that point with the 90s potentially,
we collected them.

We bought the full boxes.

I had a rough idea what you're talking about
it, it's it's hard to tell whatthey would have done.

I just don't remember enough about it yeah,
I'm gonna see if I can pull itup the was he ever into magic
back then oh, he was not in themagic.

No, so there's like a zero percent chance.
He's like got a hidden blacklotus just sitting around.
No, because even in badcondition that's still a really
expensive card yeah, I'm tryingto find.

There's like all kinds of different war cards.
Yeah, they're all like current.
I'm trying to find the exact,the exact line of cards that
anyway we opened up and actuallyit might have been for the um
iraq war.
To be honest, when did thatstart?

iraq was 2003.
I think that's when thatstarted maybe?

well, yeah, because it would have been
afghanistan 2001 iraq 2003 fromokay, maybe it wasn't for that,
then.
I mean, it was it would havebeen.

I don't know how quickly they would have like
pumped those out, though yeah, Iknow I think I can't.

How I can't find it.
I've even seen these come uplike uh before.
I saw not that long ago.
I can't think what the name ofit is, so um oh, you say that.

Oh, my god, I don't know if I can.
I don't know.
I think I lost it on x.
I saw somebody with a card withuh, uh saddam on it and like in
japan, and took a picture of abunch of figure, one of those uh
used figure stores and stufflike that, with a picture, like
you know, I someone like takingalong with me or something like
that.
I just it was funny, but oh, Idon't have to, I don't know if I

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can find it again.
I you mentioned, I saw that.
I thought it was like super, oh, I found it's desert storm,
that's what it was called desertstorm.

That I thought it was super fun.
Oh, I found it.
It's Desert Storm.
That's what it was calledDesert Storm.
Okay, I found it.
It was from Tops.
Alright, I got here.
I'll show an image of this, isit?
We bought boxes and boxes ofthese to open.
We bought so many of them.
It's ridiculous.
I don't.
My dad didn't particularly,wasn't interested in the
military or anything, we justliked trading cards.

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This was it, desert Storm.
These were the cards we bought.
We bought boxes and boxes ofthese and opened them up
together.
It was pretty fun.

Yeah, Just try and pull, see what you get and
stuff like that, because Toppsis always done.

Topps does everything, though.

They do the sports cards, which is like if
you're really into like thevalue of like trading cards,
like sport, like baseball cards,it's like, I think, some of the
most valuable cards out there.
That's how much they go forokay, so here's another.

Uh, here I'll pull this one up.
This is a updated version ofthat, or?
Or it's another set.
It says Pro Set.
So I'll pull this one upBecause I do remember this box
as well.
So these Desert Storm Pro Setcards.

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Apparently 100% of the Pro Setprofits from these benefits
families of Desert Stormveterans.
It says it's interestingthere's another variance of
those sets, but there was allkinds of cards, all kinds of
cards I had.
I had the Digimon cards.
I had Dragon Ball Z cards, Ihad Sailor Moon cards.

I had oh my gosh you can get trading cards for
any kind of video game.

Now they're even worse, say everything that now,
I think it's everything has atrading card, but I've got some
all live trading cards.
I mean, there's trading cardsfor everything.
Now it's crazy actually.
You want to know it's crazy.

Uh, you want to know how much the most expensive
trading card sold for, and itwas back in august of 22 uh how
much?

what was it?

uh, it's sold for 12.6 million dollars.
Oh my god, it is a.
Uh, mickey mantle 1952 topscard at a at a graded mint sgc
9.5 can you pull it up by chance, so you can see?
The Wikipedia page for it?

Is it the long card or is it a regular size
card?

It's just like a regular size card.
I don't know how you were goingto see the page.
I think this was the card I wasmaking me answer.

what was the normal size card?
Okay, yeah, I was thinking ofthe one below.

Yeah, they adjusted the price to like $13.5
million, but it's crazy howmuch that's the, that's the, the
price it sold for, and stufflike that can you uh?

baseball cards are ridiculously expensive
because they used to do theselong cards.

I always found those interesting uh, this was a
1909 to 1911 honus wagner whichsold same month that that one
did this, a private sale for7.25 million, and then a babe,
ruth, right there 1914.

I haven't even seen that particular baby, and
these aren't graded particularlyhigh.

They say very good three.
I don't know what that is withthat, but it's also like a a
century old card yeah, that's a19, which means just having the
card it wouldn't matter thecondition just having the card,
and that these are the pricesthese cards actually sold for,
and stuff like that that's man,oh my god.

Yes, sports cards, man base baseball.
Isn't it crazy, becausebaseball is like not that
relevant anymore?
No, but even now.

I think sports cards now are still more
valuable than like pokemon cardsand you think of like how
that's like how is that evenpossible?
But sports, sports cards.
They're very valuable.
The people that are intocollecting sports cards are
willing to spend money.

Oh, I know they do.

I know they do.

To be fair, it's the same as Pokemon, because
they're both like the craze isridiculous.

Yeah, you can price a card at whatever you
want, but the value is not thereunless someone's willing to
actually pay for it, card orwhatever you want, but the value
is not there unless someone'swilling to actually pay for it.

The one thing I will say I can see sports cards
all day long, but I never seepokemon cards, ever like none.
I think my war was completelyemptied, had a zero cards there
were.
There was nothing, not eventhose like uh repackaged walmart
pack cards.

They didn't have anything there I think it's the
one of those that the averageperson you're just going to.
You're going to buy what youwant, what you like, and Pokemon
is just a really hot thing atat some of these stores.
I'm pretty sure if you actuallywent to an actual proper card
store, they probably sell a lotof like sports cards as well and
stuff like that.
It just depends on the, the whoyou're selling to.
2 is your target market andpeople that are probably super

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into sports cards aren't, likemaybe the, the biggest walmart
shoppers.
I might be wrong, but I ormaybe it's just you know tops is
better at you know, printingout cards and keeping them in
stock yeah, uh, yeah, we got uh.

Grove said I work retail and it's insane what
people spend on pokemon cards.
Yeah, I believe it, man believeit.

I mean, I guess it's a good transition because
for the first time since well,that, what 15 years?
Yeah, 15 years was it chingling, chingling I can't really
chingling because it's it's allin japanese.
I can't.
I can't read it.
Uh, it's first new pokemon cardin 15 years, since the gen 4
cards came out.
It's crazy.

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It's been in like so manyPokemon games.

It's been like in every Pokemon game yeah, it's
crazy it hasn't had a card.
It's weird that.
It's just weird to think aPokemon has had a card in 15
years it's cool, it's getting it, though.

Yeah, it's always good to see some new stuff like
that.
It's not the worst design I'veever seen.
Like it's not my good to to seesome new stuff like that.
Yeah, not the worst design I'veever seen.

Like it's not my favorite pokemon by no means my
favorite, yeah, but it'sdefinitely not the worst.
I mean we get, we keep talkingabout the garbage pokemon and
stuff like that.
I mean I kind of think there'sthere's some, there's some janky
designs out there.

I will say uh, yeah, because they chingling was
as seen in tcg 2009.
Uh, but it's in.
Uh, chimeco it's a vol form has14 cards.
So, for whatever reason, it's avol form gets more cards than
the base base set, which is kindof weird to me yeah, they're

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saying uh, but I mean it's goodto see you know old pokemon get
some love.
That's kind of been uh ignoredfor a while yes, it's pretty
interesting, for sure andspeaking because I think this is
a little bit of pop culture, alittle bit of funny uh kind of
we talked about it.
Have you had the chance to gosee the minecraft movie?

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Because I haven't not yet.

I'm me and my daughter are going, so I want to
do a video with you about it.

Um, I'm gonna try to go this weekend.
Have you got a chance to seethe video?
That's chicken jockey videoI'll pull.

I don't understand the whole reference.
I don't get.
I actually haven't seen theactual scene for the movie.
So if you actually playminecraft.

A chicken jockey is just a.
It's a baby uh, it's a babyzombie riding a chicken.
It's just one of the more rarespawns in the world.
But for whatever reason, likeespecially in this movie theater
, like they were like prepared,they went nuts and I think they
you can't see in the video.
I'll play it real quick,hopefully you can hear it.
Like they actually brought anactual crazy, because the dude

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right there brought an actual,actual chick and they shut down
the movie and the dude had likebail.

I'm sorry, this is just so funny this is a spawn
in the game like this canreally happen.

Yeah, the chicken riding a zombie.
It's a baby zombie.

Right, Right A chicken a baby zombie right and
the chicken it's called.

It's called chicken.

You know how much we trashed on this movie,
but it's been so successful.

It's one of the most successful video game movie
of all time.
Right now, I think it's.
It's one of those like they.
It's.
From what I've seen, it justit's just, it's just a popcorn
flick.
Essentially it doesn't doanything special but it's just,
uh, it's just supposed to belike a, like a fun.
It's just a fun, stupid movie,essentially like a popcorn flick
that you'd see in the summer.
That's kind of what I've heardabout around it.
I mean, to be fair, the initialfrom everything you've seen,

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you're like I don't know howthis is this.
This feels like they're gonnaflop, but it's got, you know,
gotten really popular.

So it's surpassed super mario brothers
movie.

It surpassed that and it's not even been out that
long you know what I'll saythis Maybe because I still have
that teenage boy mind, thatsense of humor in me, but this
feels like it's some really goodadvertising for the movie to
see something like this.

I mean, yeah, that's pretty funny.

You know, that whole theater was like they were
like I mean, yeah, whoever hasto clean that mess sucks to be.
Clearly, everybody in thistheater was like in on this joke
and they were just like waitingfor that scene to just go nuts.

That's.

That's hilarious man I I couldn't help but bring
that up just because I think itkind of fits we talked about.
I was like, oh my god, thisdude brought a chicken into a
movie theater that's, that'shilarious, oh god, that's I,
it's.
It's stupid but funny and Icouldn't help.
But I like I I have to throwthis in here because I think
it's, I think it's funny oh,that's hilarious, for sure.

Yeah, no, we're, we're gonna watch it.
I'm trying to make it work outwhere I can be able to take her
there and stuff.
So it's either going to be herethis is how it's going to work
out it's either going to be thissunday or it's going to be next
Sunday.
It's because we got the podcast, we got the streams.
Friday, saturday, I'm trying towork it out.

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We've got a father-daughterdance tomorrow at our school.
Oh nice, we're doing that.
It's 5 to 7, so I have to rushhim, kind of rush him back to
get to the stream and stuff likethat for tomorrow.

But it's all going to work out.
If you're going to be late,we'll work it out.

No, no, no, we won't be late.
I've got it worked out howwe're going to do it, so should
be on time.
Should be good, no problems,but yeah, so what we got next?

uh, this one's kind of rumored uh, but it's
rumored that essentially allthese old retro controllers on
top of the gamecube controllerwe could potentially be making
their way to the switch to andstuff like that.
Uh, it was, uh, it's a.
Something was posted on x by uhnash weedle.
Uh, it's posted in, I believe,spanish and stuff like that, so

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you have to translate it, butthere's a rumor out there that
potentially some of thesecontrollers I think probably the
NES controller could be thenext one that comes to Switch.
I know there was issues withthe GameCube because it's only
supposed to work with theGameCube on NSO essentially, and
stuff like that.
It's not going to work withanything else on NSO essentially
and stuff like that.
It's not going to work withanything else, but it's nice to

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be able to play even if it'sprimarily on NSO for most of
these games, to play them on atleast the controller, because
it's what feels most natural formost games?

Yeah, for sure, and it's one of the best
controllers of all time.

I mean yeah, but if you're playing a SNES game,
playing it on a SNES controller,it's going feel the most
natural yeah, for sure for surefor better of course you know
they're charging like 60 to 80for these controllers yeah I
think the nes controls were 50when I bought them, uh.

But yeah, they're going to have to
re-release these because the joycons are different.

I mean, they're going to have to but, like a
modern controller, it's nevergoing to feel natural, because
these games were always designedwith a certain controller in
mind yeah, for sure, like nes.

I want to play with an nes controller, like
that's just how it is.

Super nintendo I want to play a super nintendo
controller emulating gamecubegames without using a gamecube
controller is just god awfulbecause of the way the
controller's set up, with the aand everything kind of around it
, which is a unique design, butlike it means if you're playing
these games without that kind ofcontroller, it's kind of janky
I have so many variations ofgame view controllers, like for

(50:33):
the switch for pc for all thatstuff was the way to go back in
the day, baby I had.

I have a gamecube joy cons for the switch
that turn into a gamecubecontroller when you put it
together.
Um, I've got, yeah, I've got.
Uh, I wish I could pull some,because I just literally just
put them all in a um container.
I bagged them all up and putthem in containers so they don't
get scratched or anything.
But yeah, I've got, bro, I'vegot.

(51:00):
I'm.
I kid you, it's ridiculous.
I think I have well over 100controllers, well over 100.
It's a problem.
I have a whole tote full ofones I have not even gone
through and bagged yet so theydon't get ruined, but the ones I
bagged.
I've got well over 100controllers.

(51:22):
It's ridiculous.
But you know, I've got like 25plus video game systems.
So I'm into a lot of the moreobscure stuff like that.
So I've got a lot of systemsand handhelds.

But yeah, we also have some, some news uh coming
out, but essentially nintendofor the switch 2.
It's breaking the trend they'vedone for quite a while.
It's and they don't have analogtriggers, it's all digital,
which is something I don't thinkanybody else has gone, because
the xbox, ps5 I think they saythe steam deck as well also all
use digital analog for theircontrollers, but Nintendo's

(52:05):
going all digital.

Don't know how I feel about that, but I feel
like it has something to do withJoy-Con Drift.

That would feel weird.
I know they did kind of saysome of their developers prefer
the digital triggers and stufflike that.
I don't know how that works.

I certainly don't.
All they had to.
One was go hall effect and Iknow can I know people that sell
.
There's companies because Ithey've sent me out their
controllers.
Controllers are like 20 andhave hall effect choice sticks
in it.
These are like chinesedeveloped.
You know controllers that arelike 20 bucks and they have hall

(52:43):
effect sticks in them, like Ihave so many controllers.
They have hall effect sticks inthem, like I have so many
controllers that have halleffect sticks in them.
From these different variouscompanies that have like sent me
out controllers or that I'veeven bought controllers from.
So it makes no sense why theydon't adapt that technology into
this, because it wouldn't be aproblem.
You could have analog I don'tknow.

Yeah, I mean, some people say it's like
probably the biggest thing isracing games, and well, this
isn't really a thing thataffects mario specifically
triggers.

So yeah, I don't know, man, I don't so they what
they said.

Uh sasaki admitted that it was partially
due to some very fussydevelopers preferring digital
shoulder buttons, while uhkawamoto said that his team
decided that the instant inputof digital triggers was a better
fit for the switch to over abrief lag that comes with the
analog ones, which I'm sure ismicroscopic to the average

(53:35):
player.

It's not really that that it's not really all
that noticeable, but I mean, ifit's a trigger, if it's just the
triggers we're talking about,it might not be that big of a
deal.
I, I don't.
I don't know, I prefer theanalog triggers because, yeah,
so because I don't want to likecompletely.

This was for the triggers specifically and stuff
like that.
So the triggers are what'sgoing to be?
Uh uh, digital, uh so, but it'slike everybody else doesn't use
really use the digital like the.
I like what the ps5 does whatis this real life?
What is this, bro?
Just says it real life, like Idon't know what you're talking
about oh well, let me share,because I've got another monitor

(54:14):
crap.

Uh, no, I was looking at the images there and
it's got.
You know how they have the uhwhere you put the joy cons
together.
They're like separated.
Can you pull the image up?
And won't let me pull it up?
Uh, I think this is what you'retalking about.
I just thought that was kind ofinteresting.

Yeah, this one it's like rapidly snap into
place yeah, why is it like that?

what do you mean ?
I mean who would want to playlike?

that Well, it's just for display purposes.
It's just an example of a photo.

Oh, okay, all right, I thought it was like
real.

This is very clearly just for them taking a
set up for a picture.
Because both the Player 1controllers are on, which
wouldn't work if they're in thisconfiguration.

What do you think about the Switch 2 Pro
controller design?
I think it looks good.

I think it looks fine because the switch to pro
controller design.
I think it looks good.
I think it looks fine becauseit's pretty much the same as the
, the first one.
They just put a, put a two andadded the c button.

It's the only only real differences I would
love to hear them come out andsay that they've got hall effect
triggers and uh or hall effectjoysticks like if you're gonna
pay more.

That would be nice to have and stuff like that
.

But yeah, it's a premium controller.

Obviously it's something you got to buy
separate and I definitely that'sa day one day, one purchase for
me, because that's how I playevery pro control they put out,
since the wii uh has always beena just a really nice controller
I agree, 100, I agree, yeah,whatever reason they can they're
.
They're the classic pro this,can this?
Setup I, this setup I can'tstand, but they're real.

They, their pro controllers are always, always
nice always nice and and I stillthink I actually prefer the wii
u pro controller over theswitch pro controller just
slightly.
I love the way that it feels.

It just feels perfect and it's got like a 90
hour battery life it's crazylong one and you can tell they
didn't really easy obviouslyyou've got the, the millimeter
jack and stuff like that.
They just added a few thingsand they essentially it's.
You add the.
Yeah, they talked about theback buttons but like, why
change the design if it alreadyworks?

the sticks do look a little different.
It's got that little shadeunderneath it where it's.
You know, if I can grab one ofmy pro controllers?
Yeah, it doesn't work.
The battery's dead yeah, soit's got like that shade
underneath it, that gray shadeon the.
Uh, oh, to have the have thatdifference and stuff like that
yeah, it just makes it stand outa little bit different.

(56:34):
So like looking at it like yougot the c button obviously is
like the main difference, but itdoes look.
It does look different, likewhere the little lines are and
stuff like that is completelydifferent from the switch pro
controller.

Yeah, more top down.
Yeah, I mean it's slightlydifferent.
You don't have that little seethrough, but it's.
Is that the actual pro or isthat something else?

that's the pro controller, oh, sorry, so your
camera's mirrored.

That's why I was like why is the A on?
My camera on the other side ofthe controller.
I think it was when you held itup crap, perfect set, oh man
there you go the whole time youjust now tell me I didn't notice
till just now.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
Yeah, no no, no, there you go.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty muchthe same setup.

It's definitely the same type of setup, but you
can also see in the.
Joy-con, yeah, so yeah, I meanit looks like a good controller,
though it actually reminds memore of the Wii Pro controller
or the Wii U Pro controller.
I'm sorry.
I guess, that's what I didn'thave it's so good because the

(57:44):
battery life on it wasridiculous.
It was like you get 80, 90hours of battery life out of it,
Like that's just a fact, Likeyou really can it's insane.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it was great controller.
I loved it.
But obviously the six sticksetup was a little bit different
.
It was set up like aPlayStation controller.
Stick setup was a little bitdifferent.
It was set up like aPlayStation controller.

(58:06):
Maybe Nintendo doesn't want topay royalties to whoever created
the holosticks.
They probably find it cheaperto use a stick.
They're so cheap.
From what I heard, it's sub adollar to use holofix joysticks.
That's what I heard.
That's coming from a prettygood source.
You're looking at sub a dollarto add into the controller.

(58:28):
If that's too much for you,you're a little questionable.

Yeah, y'all pity pension here.
We also got three new SegaGenesis games coming to the NSO
this April.
Yeah, it's, it's this month.
Yeah, I don't.
I don't have the actual date,but the three games coming, it's
a es or e-swat, city undersiege, streets of rage and super

(58:58):
thunder blade.
Are the new games coming thismonth to nso?

good games be added for sure street, I think
the big one there is essentialyeah, street rage is like the
one big one there, obviouslyyeah, super thunder blades a
really good uh shooter too.
But uh, streets of rage, yeah,for sure that's.
That's an essential for thesake of genesis all right.

So, if I'm reading this right, they should
be on there now, but like don'tokay.
So, uh, on april 10th so thiswas yesterday these games came
to nso so they're all three onthere now.

I'm trying to figure out exactly what I was
looking for, and I found it it'salways good to see some, some
games that have been forgotten,you know I did want to bring up
that um obviously has to dosomething different with the
joysticks because they got, youknow, lawsuits for the Joy-Con
drift and stuff like that.

(59:50):
So I'm curious, like what theydid differently with these new?

I'm not sure.

Did they lose that lawsuit?
No, I don't know.
I I don't work.

All I know it was it was a big problem, it was a
really big, I mean you get thisbig lawsuit but like, if they
didn't lose, if they, if theywon the lawsuit, there's no
incentive to like change becausethey outside of oh dude, there
is an incentive to change.

Brandon Hurles (01:00:12):
I'm pretty sure they lost.
I'm like pretty sure they lost.
I'm just saying I've got noidea.

Mark Trobough (01:00:16):
I had not something I felt up on, because
I still have my my original joycons for my switch.
I don't play it in handheldmost of the time, but I I I've
never ran into the joy con drifton my switch, but that's
probably because I never, arehardly ever play it in handheld
mode.
So there's multiple classaction lawsuits that were filed
against nintendo um, whichprobably would have been shoved

(01:00:37):
into one if it was all for thesame thing, essentially.

But was there ever?

actually was it ever?
I just want to try and or is itwhat I'm trying to look at?

it looks like it might still be ongoing,
actually, because these thingsusually.

Usually take, like you know, several months to
a few years.

So some have been resolved through
settlements between nintendo andthe plaintiffs.
Um then it was just it wascheaper to settle out of court
yeah, despite nintendo's freerepair program and design
revision, some consumers reportthe joint con uh drift persists
and the fundamental design flawshaven't been completely

(01:01:18):
resolved.
So there are still some ongoingcases right now, but some have
to be fair out of court,considering probably where the
by the time.

That was all they're like.
Well, the switch 2 comes out,so why bother with the switch?
It's by the time we fix it.
No one's buying this console inany ways.

So there's no, there's no point but they're
wanting to still sell it forseveral, they've said.

They've came out and said and yeah, but like,
let's be fair, like there'sreally not a whole lot of
incentive to to make essentiallysaid if you can't?
They basically said this in prif you can't afford switch, to
just get the switch one and youcan be in our ecosystem because,
like to be fair, outside ofprobably a uh of the of the new

(01:01:58):
mario kart game, the, at leastthe first year or two, you're
going to see mostly crossoversfor their first-party titles.

I'm going to say a hot take here.
I'm sorry, but if you, theother systems are all more
expensive than the Switch 2.
If you cannot afford to get theSwitch 2, you probably
shouldn't be gaming.
I'm just saying, maybe it's nota priority that you should be
focusing on.
If you can't afford to grab theSwitch 2, maybe it's just not

(01:02:27):
something you, you know, grab.

I hear a lot of people that dunk on it.

It's like, oh well, the I think the price is
very fair, the technology that'sinside that is like the
technology that's inside the PS5Pro as far as far as, like the
DLSS and stuff like that that'sgoing on inside the system.
It's pretty heavy stuff, man.

I was going to say a lot of that stuff is just
people just dunking on Nintendobecause it's just fun to dunk on
something like oh well, you canemulate it and I'm sorry I
don't get that dunking onculture.

I get so tired of it, man.

I mean it's just the internet.
Negativity always attracts moreattention, so it's it's just
the evolution of the consolewards.
It's not a console where it'sthe console versus pc war at
this point I mean get over itlike I'm into all of them.

I love all of it .
All of it, play all of it.
I have no problem.

I never had because I've seen most of it.
It's not.

I'm a huge nintendo fan, but I play all of
it.
I'm really big into PC gamingnow because of you.

I only have the Switch for Nintendo games.
I don't even have a Steam Deck,I'd rather just play it on my
PC.
I don't do anything handheldanyways half the time.

Even my Switch, I primarily play it docked if a
Steam Deck 2 comes out, I'lldefinitely get it, but it's like
, uh, it's so underpowered thatI just, I just have no.

I mean steam deck's been out for for years.
At this point it's almost alittle switch.

I feel like, yeah, it's just so underpowered.
I have zero interest ingrabbing, because I'm working on
building up my Steam librarynow, just waiting on that Steam
OS, so I don't have to getWindows 11, because I just don't
want Windows 11.
What do you mean?

the Steam OS.
You talk about Steam making itsown operating system.
Yeah, it does have that onSteam Deck no, designed for PC,
essentially Its own desktopoperating system.
So instead of using, like,windows 11, you could use
steam's os or you go that soundsterrible.
Windows have been around waytoo long for me to switch to

(01:04:32):
yeah, but like, let's be fair,when the windows 11, because I
have to use it for work, I hateit.
I hate it so much I hate it too.

I mean, I wish I could go back to 10, but uh, I
wish I could go back to 7personally.

But I mean, I wish I could go back.
I want, I want windows 7.
I think it peaked, but with theuh.
I want 7 with the aesthetic of10, because I like how some of
the looks.
I just don't like the layoutsand some of the the unnecessary
changes they made it peaked atxp.

I will stand behind that forever.
Oh my, I think no, it reallypeaked with.

MS-DOS.
That's really where it peakedat, or what's it?

98, 97 98 was good too.
98 was good too.
All we know is we're inagreement that.

Windows Millennium, I think, is what
it's called Was like terrible.

Trash and.
Vista was terrible, absolutegarbage.

It's hard to think I can still remember.

Millennium was so bad too, man.
Yeah, those were garbage.
But Windows 7, but Windows XP Ithink I really do feel this way
.
I feel like Windows really didpeak in XP.
I feel like that was a perfectoperating system.

Windows 7 was just a perfected XP.

Essentially, it's the same operating system,
just not as buggy you can sayperfected, but I mean, I feel
like it, just like uh it was notas feature rich as xp.
Xp was so developed, there wasso much going on with it like
yeah but I think seven.

It was so easy a lot of issues of xp.

Seven was good, though I don't have any problems
with seven.

I don't have any problems with seven at all I
don't have the other issue oflike why do we need a whole new
operating system, like everyfive years, like, come on, is
this really necessary?

I mean to be honest with you right now.
I wish there was a newoperating system to replace 11,
because I'm you've, I hate it.

I think you started seeking 10, but you see
it a lot in 11, where they'rejust starting to, to, to
advertise.
It's the, it's the, the, theforce turn on of the ai, because
I don't use cortana and I thinkit's useless.
I don't even use siri on myphone.
I shut that.
Shut that off immediately, um,but it's that and it's like the,
the, the advertising you openup like your, your home, you hit
like the windows button andstuff like that.

You're just getting blasted with
advertisements, like I don'twant that crap there, like it's
a whole bunch of other stuffthat windows shoving into their
operating systems and I'm like Idon't stop advertising, I just
want my never once used cortana,but there's plenty of ai stuff
that I do use like trash.
But like I mean, the google aiis like pretty much automatic.

You search something, you get the ai search
result first I think the onlyai I really ever use is is chat
gpt.
Yeah, you chat gpt a lotbecause you get.

I use it periodically here, but I use
grok, to start using grok Idon't know, I haven't used grok.
Grok's good, grok's really good.
I mean, you get good answersand truthful answers, uh on
there.
So, uh, there's no uh waveringof you know crap going on there,
any woke stuff and things likethat.
You don't have to worry aboutthat stuff.

But uh, yeah, grok's pretty good yeah, and
then I, we kind of already knewabout some of this other
information, but obviously, uh,it's you reiterating the fact
that, uh, of Imprisonment, theysay it's going to be the first
Hyrule Warriors game to beincluded in the official Zelda
canon wow, I thought Age ofCalamity was canon well, it

(01:07:50):
wasn't included in the officialcanon, but this one apparently,
because technically that's in aalternate timeline, mostly when
you play the game it doesn'treally this one based off what
they're saying.
This is actually it's not whatthey tease with that and then
you didn't really get it whichwas the build-up to of the
invasion.
This is actually supposed to bethe, the timeline that we know

(01:08:10):
it's taking place in from whatthey're they're alluding to
there.
So it's the actual war in thatgame that you just don't really
get to see outside of like oneor two flashbacks and you barely
get to see it.

So this is supposed to be the full so this
is essentially straight upprequel to Tears of the Kingdom.

Well, no, because this, the imprisoning war,
happens in that game, becauseyou see in the flashbacks when
Zelda gets right here the gameprovides a backstory on the
imprisoning war that the eventsof Tears of the Kingdom.
You already know if you playedand beat the game.
You already know what happens,because of the flashbacks with
the, with the, the teardropwater thing.
Whatever you want to call it.
So this is just diving into thatflashback it's just expanding

(01:08:51):
more of what actually happenedthat you, that you missed and
stuff like that, which is cool,because I you don't get a.

I mean to be fair.
As much as I love tears of thekingdom, even with the backstory
elements that you, you collectand you're like, you don't even
have to get any of that.
You have to collect them.
They're optional.

You know what I mean?
Yeah, which is frustrating.
You can completely miss themyou can completely miss and you
always get them out of order,unless you're like following an
actual guide.

You get them out of order, uh.
But yeah, I mean so like thisis cool to actually dive into
that because I'm interested inin more what happened, you know,
in the story of of those gamesand if this is the way they're
gonna love them so much andwe've already talked about it, I
don't mind this kind of uhzelda storytelling.

Moving forward with your mainline game is
they're gonna keep the samestuff with with breath and tears
, and they're going to have thiskind of somewhat flashback type
stuff.
So you fill in that stop gapwith the high world and the
story.
Oh it, it alleviates thatfive-year gap or so between
games and stuff like that.

So I don't I mean you can't disregard the,
the 2d games and stuff too.
You had links awakening, no,but like usually the 2ds are
their own thing.

this is like filling the gap of like a
mainline game and it's that bigconsole stopgap.
Yeah, I feel like this willstill be more popular than the
last one we got.
I might be wrong about this,it's just filling just because
this one's tied into the newmainline games and that's like
its own story and it's kind ofdoing its own thing Because you

(01:10:19):
already know the one, the one wehad, like on the name.
It's in the fallen warriortimeline between some other
games, so it's not evenconnected to tears and breath of
wild.

it sounds like to me um that that I'm more
interested in in this game thanI was.
You know I like the.

I didn't say that I didn't play the, technically
the first one, but the other onefor breath of wild.
I really enjoyed the game.
I played all three versions ofthe first one I have the very
first one, but I haven't gotaround to actually playing it
because I know it's like a superlong game and it's just more of
like a celebration of zelda 3dsand switch.

It's ridiculous dedicated yeah, yeah, I was
educated, 3ds version is thebest, just saying uh, but uh,
yeah, I.
I mean it's cool.
I mean, hey, this meansCalamity.
I like the original, so I meanI like the gameplay style for it
.
Unfortunately, age of Calamityhad a lot of performance issues,
which is really frustrating.

Yeah, but no, I was just going to say now you're
getting another game whereobviously Zelda is going to be
your main main player, becauselink isn't in this one obviously
you're gonna play as like allyour actual.
I can kind of pull up the.
That's kind of blurry, but Ihave zero problem with that I'm
kind of infer, you're gonna playas all these characters, these
characters, yeah, but I mean,obviously you're gonna probably

(01:11:35):
start with zelda and she's gonnabe the the center point of the
story because link's back in thefuture doing whatever he's
doing.
So you could technically saythis is the.
You're getting two Zelda leadgames back to back out of
Nintendo for Zelda.

Yeah, because I'm looking at like some
screenshots.
You see Zelda doing some movesand stuff, so you probably start
with her.
I have no problem with that atall.

Yeah, it assumes.
I assume it's just going toplay like the other two.
It's another, it's anotherwarriors like game, so it's not
the most challenging in theworld, but I mean I'm looking
forward to this game.
It's probably the next outsideof Mario Kart.
Donkey Kong and Metroid.
This is like the next game onthe list of what I'm.

I mean there's a whole bunch to look forward to
on Switch 2.
I mean we've got a lot of coolstuff coming.
I guess you got All of thoseare straight pickups for me.
Yeah, and Legend ZA that's fivebig titles right there coming
out all soon.
So yeah, I'm hyped dude.

I can't wait for the console.
I mean getting more Zeldaconsistently.
That's not Skyward Sword, lovethe story.
Gameplay was atrocious, if youask me.
Gameplay was atrocious, if youask me.

Gameplay was atrocious on the Switch.

I don't like the forced motion controls, even
with the Wii, the game's alsosuper.
Even on the original versionit's super hand-holdy, let's be
fair.

I don't mind the linearness, it's still a good
game.
I think it's still a great game.

I don't hate the linearness.
I don't hate the story, it'sjust the.
It's one of those games where Icannot stand the gameplay.
It's just really all there isto it I like to game.

It's like other and I didn't like.

I don't mind the story, but I hate the gameplay
to me.

It was so bad on the switch.
It's the only I.
I mean, I beat it on the wii,but it's the only like re-re.
I guess that I've never beatbefore.
I didn't beat it on the Switchbecause I hated it so much.
I hated the way they tried tomake the mechanics of the game.
I thought it felt terrible.

(01:13:32):
I could not get used to it.
I just did not like it at all.
Thinking of gyro, controls justdo not work like the IR sensors
.
They don't.
They just don't.
It wasn't really gyro.
Gyro is not even comparable tousing the Wiimotes.

Didn't they say this game comes out next year,
sometime in 2026, I think Isthis a 2026 game.
Is this winter?

I thought it was coming out this year?

Was it this year or was it winter?

I don't know I had to look actually because I
could be wrong.

Real quick.

They've got a good timeline of games coming
out this year, so it could benext year.

Yeah, I'm not sure I've got to pull up the
actual direct one.

Yes, you can pull up the date.

Yeah, it says coming this winter, so
essentially it's like Decemberto February.

So this is a this year game, so we're getting
all kinds of potentially.
It says we got a lot of biggames.

This year might not come out.
This year might come out nextyear.
Technically, what they saidwinter, which means that they
haven't settled on a date yetregardless.

I mean, there's even some third party stuff that
I'm picking up at launch.
There's a couple games I've gotalready on my list that I want
to grab.
So I'll grab mario kart world,and then I think there's three
other games I want to grab atlaunch.
So, um yeah, I'll have my handsfull and launch with that.
That's just I.
I just I am so worried aboutnot being able to secure one.

(01:14:53):
I'm I keep thinking about it.
I'm like, oh my god, I reallyhope I can secure this on launch
day, because you know, I'malways uh, I'm always a big
launch guy with with nintendo,like I've just always been there
.
I was, you know, was the onlyperson out there at launch for
the wii u.
So, uh, you know, it's justimportant.

(01:15:14):
It's something I'm very excitedabout.

I'm legitimately very excited about this system,
but you're excited about maybegetting more.
Uh, what is it gen?
Is it just gen 6?
uh 360 or ps3 games to get moreremasters potentially.
Yeah, that's good, it's alwaysgood to hear some new stuff.
So, uh, I don't know how you'regoing to be able to see this.
I'm going to try to zoom alittle bit.

(01:15:36):
It's a night dive.
Studios was uh asking forsuggestions for new uh three, 60
or PS three, a potentialremasters, essentially uh on
their social media.
So the studios previouslyworked on Turok three uh, star
Wars, dark forces, the thingquake two, uh, as some of the

(01:15:56):
games they've worked on, andthen some of the some of the
games people were asking for orsome of the some of the games
people were asking for, or someof their more popular request
was uh, the riddick duology lostodyssey blue dragon the
darkness and yakuza dead souls.

I know nothing of these games.
Lost odyssey and blue dragon,yes, a hundred percent, I have
not played.
I know the darkness, I have thedarkness, but I haven't played
it.
Yakuza the dead souls, I don'tknow anything about.
And then the Riddick games Ihave.
I played a Riddick game, Idon't know which one it was.
Um, so I I, when they're sayingduology, I don't know which one
I played, I can't remember.

Uh because I fantastic games there are there.
There are rpgs.
Yeah, some people were askingfor for haze.
I don't know anything aboutthat game.
Yeah, that's a good game.
A few people asking someonesaying x-com absolutely bad
company.
Dragon age origins some ofthese games might be a little
hard for them to remake, but, uh, it's one of those people it's

(01:16:55):
like.
You know, it's always good tosee some some old games.
More, uh, more halo 3.

To be fair, you can already play that game right
now.
It's coming from Spartan Wargames.

Yeah right, I mean it seems like the Killzone
games have kind of gone on theback burner.

A lot of verified accounts that are
responding to this huh.

Batman Arkham A Bully remaster would be really
nice.
That'd be nice, but it's like,will they do really nice, that's
such a good game bully is sogood, so that means we need to
be on the lookout for anotherremaster that'd be great.

The darkness I have played the game but I
haven't played enough of it tosay what I think about it.
But I know people really likeit.
Yes, the Alice series, for sure, wet is good.
Wet is really good.

I've heard some really good.
I saw some gameplay.
I'm like, oh my god, this islike bad.
You don't see games like thatanymore.

It's so good.
But the Alice series phenomenaloh my god, you would is
phenomenal.
You would love it.
You would love it Seriously.
The Fear games I go on and onabout those.
I got those on the PS3 and 360.
I haven't played that one.

It's a Square Enix game.
Definitely a lot of people wanta lot of the more niche games.
Darkwatch.

I know about that one, but I haven't played
it.

Azura's Wrath.

Azura's Wrath is a game I told you I want you to
play on PC because it'sbasically an anime in a video
game.
You basically play the anime.
It's essentially an anime.
I swear to god, it's as closeas you can get to an anime video
game.

There's a lot of good game suggestions.
No, but Mark, remember this.

I really want you to play this game.
No, I will.
It's on Steam Zero's Wrap.

No, yeah, because I think I got saved.

You will love it .

So, if you're having a chance, go over and ask
for, I guess, drop arecommendation if you want, or
over and ask for a drop ofrecommendation if you want, or
at the very least follow them,because they're going to be Joe
Rogan's trending?
Hopefully not Joe Rogan'strending.
I don't know why bring up JoeRogan.

You had the tab up.
It said Joe Rogan was trending.

It's just on the trending tab.

Alright, what do we got next?
I don't know.
Oh, because apparently he.

I don't know.
Oh, because apparently he's nottrending online.
No, because apparently peopleare talking about it because he
uses the word retarded.

Oh, get over it.
That's retarded, that peoplethink that the retarded is so
bad.
Come on.

Get over it.
Oh my god, some stuff justmakes me laugh.

I was like oh wait, of course he's trending's
joe rogan people gonna findsomething to talk abouti.

Uh, I'm sorry.
I love, I love this podcast.
But if you were worried,pokemon go is allegedly not
shutting down from their newowner.
Obviously they were sold off.
So the ads, obviously the rumorwas the game's not doing well.
I think there's been an obviousa drop off because at least,
whether if you're rural or evenif you're not, I don't know the
gameplay kind of gets stagnantafter a while.
It's easy to just not play itfor months on end yeah, I do.

(01:20:11):
I'm playing so long I don't evenhave it downloaded anymore
because unless like you live ina big city, ratings kind of hard
and stuff like that, if youdon't have like a bunch of
people there because you can doremote raids just fine, but like
it costs money and stuff likethat and there's like a hard
limit what you can do a day.

So yeah, I, I'm pretty out on Pokemon go.
Unfortunately, st Rogi isalways trending.
Yeah, he's trending did.
I miss.
Yeah, he's trending.

Did I miss something?
That's Jit.

Rogan.
He's talking about Jit Rogan,oh St.

Roggy.
Okay, I don't know all thenames.
Y'all call him.

We're going to have him on here someday guys.

That's crazy.
What do they Pikachu would doif he's on DMT?
That meme's never going to notbe funny to me.

The DMT video is so funny just to watch of him.
You remember the show on TV?
It was like Joe Rogan questionseverything.
Do you remember that?

It sounds familiar.
I don't think I've watched it,though, so that's where the DMT
thing came from.

That's where it all started.
He was checking out all thesethings Aliens and Christianity,
it was like, everything it waslike.

One of the other funny things is when he had Alex
.
It was like one of the otherfunny things is uh, when he had
a, uh, alex, uh alex jones.
Yeah, alex jones on and he'slike I can't remember.
There's one more reason.
I'm just like you know what.
I think I might be a littlestupid.
That's another really funnymoment.

That's a joke the thing about, like joe rogan
is so funny.
He's so uh self-deprecating,like if he doesn't know
something about something.
You want to bring that up saysomething yeah, jimmy, pull that
up, let's verify.
I mean, at least he does likeverify this stuff, though you
know what I mean, like a lot ofother people don't verify stuff,

(01:22:19):
they just say it and that's theproblem.

I think he got.
I think it really blew uparound the time.
What was this 2019 when he hadthe uh area 51 guy on?

oh, uh, what's his name?
Um, I watched the whole episodewith him.

Yeah, uh that's like one of the big ones that
really really blew up for thefirst time, because I can't
remember that was before orafter around the same time.
Yeah, we're gonna raid area 51,you remember that?
Yeah, that was stupid and itnobody showed up.
Everyone just went to vegas.
Yeah, but that was the bobbleczar.

(01:22:56):
I can't stop all of them he was.

He was big way.

Before that, though he was used no, he, he
was, but that's like the realfirst time I think I remember
hearing about the Joe Roganpodcast and stuff like that.
It was always around, but itwasn't like culturally relevant.
It felt like for the longesttime.

The thing is I'm not getting political on here,
because we don't do that, butthat podcast is so big and so
influential that I think itactually affected the election,
like I.

100 feel that way , oh I think to some degree it
was the tide of the election.

I think it did for a lot of people, so I'll
just I'll just leave that therenot to get too political, but uh
, obviously iphone's better thanandroid, you know?
You know what I'm saying Iagree, I agree, had that
unfortunately talk aboutreluctantly upgrade, like I.
I love, love upgrading, but Ilove.

I love those arguments on that android or
apple or android.
I'm like you know what I seeevery time.
I hear that it's like themulti-billion dollar corporation
I support is better than themulti-billion dollar corporation
that you support.

Speaker 4 (01:24:08):
Like this is right like they don't care, no, no,
that's the point with theconsole war.

That was always the deal to console wars.
That's why I never got into itlike bro.
I played xbox at one friend'shouse.
I had the gamecube.
I played ps2 at anotherfriend's house.

Either you either actually got a ps3 or teen xbox
, and nintendo was just offdoing its own weird thing I was
never that way.

I was always the .
I would love to have both, or Iwill play both, depending on
where I'm at.
You know what I mean.

Yeah, I pretty much grew up like the whole
during the whole console, whereI was pretty much like I got a
Wii, I get a 360 till like thelast two years of its life, bro
same same same.

Just had a Wii and I was fine with it.
I had a good time with the Wii.

And he realized, oh, all these Japanese games are
on the PlayStation.
So then he went PS4 after Xbox.
Notorious Xbox.

There was a lot of good games.
The XC games on on Wii.
Are you kidding me?
Pandora's Tower.

Usually they were also On.
They're on like Nintendo andlike a Playstation as well.
The PS3 version would always bebetter than the Wii, because
it's a more powerful console,obviously.

No, the Operation Rainfall games Were
only on the Wii.
Pandora's Tower.

At large, most of them would have been on Sony's
console in that generation.
There was a lot.

To be fair, when that console launched, it
launched at $600.
That's why a lot of peopledidn't have it.
It launched at a crazy price,which today would have been like
$900 launch.

There were some talks and stuff like that.
So obviously you're finallygetting Wind Waker on the
GameCube of NSO, but it's theGameCube version of Wind Waker
which it's like, it's great tosee, but like, why are you not
getting the HD version?

but they did fix a lot of stuff and it is
running better it's, but likethe hd versions, just we would
rather have the version.
Yeah, for sure you.
Just you already fixed it likelike the.

There's a lot of people talk and stuff like that.
So there was a nintendo vp nateuh dildorf I sure I butchered
the name was suggesting thatthat an HD re-release still
could be possible for this gameeven though it's coming to the
NSO library.

I feel like I don't know.

I would buy it.
The HD version is still the wayto go because it's going to
have the higher resolution andit has all these fixes and stuff
like that and it doesn't takeyou forever to get anywhere.
But this is a really populargame.
Why just not resell the gamefrom the Wii U was, like always,
the frustrating part.
You ported everything else, butwhy not this?
This would sell.
Well, it's become a reallypopular, popular game and if you

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sold it for $60 again afterjust doing a small little port,
everyone would buy this game andyou'd make a boatload of money
for very little effort.
At this point, just it blows mymind like I get what nintendo
wants with the nso, but likepeople do want the hd version,
so like, why give it?
Why give us the inferiorversion of the of wind waker hd

(01:27:14):
when that's always going to bethe superior version?
Doesn't matter what you'redoing to the gamecube version,
it's just not gonna be what thisis.
Even even if you fix all thebugs, the resolution is just
better on this version no, Iagree, I 100 agree.

The hg version would be better to have out.
But they did say that the allthe game cube games are going to
be running at a betterperformance rate, so better
frame rate.
And they are, they're all.
They are all upscaledresolution, so they all do look
better than the original game.
But it's not the same thing asa remaster which is what this

(01:27:50):
was.

Yeah, that this was a remaster which, at its
core, it fixed a lot of issues.
It's not just kind of like a,like an upscale the sailing
thing.

That's gonna be like you try to play in the
original I can't if they haven't, if they haven't played on the
gamecube version.

It's just like.
All right, why bother play thisgame?
You might as well just get a.

We be sailing for 20 minutes and that's it,
and it's like the gameplay timewe get these days.
You'd be sailing for 20 minutesto get to the next spot.

It's crazy at the very least that has to be fixed
in this version.

They didn't fast sailing in hd and they need to
have.
We need to have that on switchtoo.
Yeah, and twilight princess hdwe need to have that on switch
too.
I, I twat to me.
I like wind waker don't get mewrong, but twilight princess to
me matters more than wind waker.
I, I want that game on onswitch too.
I love Twilight Princess.

(01:28:40):
I love the dark aspect of thatgame and I love Midna and the
whole story of that game.
I think it's just so awesome.

I'm still hopeful that in the Switch 2 generation
we're going to get DS gamescoming.

I was going to actually ask you do you think
that DS and 3DS are apossibility in this?
We got DLSS involved now, soit's going to be easier to bring
some of these games over.

DS first.
I think you need more time togo from the 3DS, but I do think
the problem is there.
Are you have to.
There are some games you haveto get.
Remove the 3D option with the3DS because it's not going to
work on this, it's going to be alittle bit more to that I I
think even if you do get the dsand the 3ds and stuff like that,

(01:29:28):
you're going to get the oldergames first and it's really only
going to probably primarily bemajor first party games of
nintendo that they want, theywant to put out here, and it's
you're going to get everythingbut the mainline pokemon games
at this point we know it's stilldoable because they did it with
the castlevania, thecastlevania ds.
Uh, I mean, I think they will,because the nso is quickly

(01:29:49):
becoming really the only way toplay the bulk of their zelda
library, especially for thehandheld games, but even the
older ones.
Like if you want to play zelda,you essentially need the nso,
because it's the easiest way toplay these games without
breaking the bank.

Still today, the best way to play most zelda
games is still on the wii u.
You can play almost everythingup to you.
Can't play tears of the kingdom.
You can't play echoes well,that's all.

That's assuming that you, uh, that's it.
You got everything before the,uh, the, the e-shop shut down.
There's ways around that.
Yeah, you, obviously you canmod it, but you, you could, you
could get around and emulatemost of these, all these games,
if you really wanted to at theend of the day, so yeah, yeah, I
mean uh, it would be nice tohave like an actual physical

(01:30:35):
cartridge with all these gameson there I agree like that, even
if you made it like a four-partseries for $100,.
People would pay the price forit.

I'm a big Zelda fan, I would love to have these
games physically.

If you had the creation timeline on one
cartridge, the adult timeline onone and then fallen timeline
for the most part you couldpackage that up and make a lot.
Most of these games would fiton these cartridges.
You could do it it takes awayfrom NSO, which is what they
really want.

I do have high hopes.
They are remaking Age ofSeasons.
Oracle of.
Ages.
Oracle of Seasons.
Oracle of Ages, oracle ofSeasons.
I do have high hopes they areremaking those two games
together in a package because,um, I feel like that's the next

(01:31:26):
step for them to do with the 2dzelda.

I just actually do, considering where we're at
right now with what we'regetting on the switch to with
more and better, with the, the,the network connectivity.
Yeah, you think, because thisis really the best time to
actually get another Four Swordsgame.
I would love to get anotherFour Swords game we already had
two, essentially.

Yeah, we had two .

One was on the.

It was attached to One was attached to Link to
the Past.
And then we got Four SwordsAdventure on GameCube, which I
had back in the day, which waseven harder to play.
You played it with me.

But with the internet connectivity now to
some degree, it would make senseto pick another spinoff game we
technically had the 3DS game aswell.

That had online play.
I played it.
Why am I forgetting the title Iplayed the crap out of it I
can't remember.
Is just four swords adventure?
No, it's not.
It's not even like a force oh,is it triforce heroes?

yeah, triforce, yeah, yeah.

So I guess it's not technically a four swords
game because it's it's threepeople, but it's like it's one
of those rare multiplemultiplayer Zelda games.
Yeah, I mean, I beat the wholegame online with people and it
was fun like we had a littlediscord going for it I was.

You know like you're thinking like spin-off
games, like another four swordsand the style of the uh of the,
the last zelda game that we justhad back in september.
I can't like on the name of it.
Uh, maybe that our style, yeah,echoes of wisdom, but use, like
the four swords, gameplay styleand stuff like that.
That'd be cool.
It doesn't have to be a biggame, just a little spin-off

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game.

I would love to see a new Four Swords, but I
would love much more to see aremake of Oracle of Ages, oracle
of Seasons, put together withthe final events of you facing
Ganon, because you have to haveboth games combined together to
actually get the final ending.
That was the whole deal withthe game.
Can?

you even do that on NSO with those games.

I mean, how would you If they released them
separately.
How would you do that?

Because I don't think you can do it like that it
would have to be a remake, wantto see a remake, but also want
to continue to get new games aswell and stuff like that.
That's see remakes, but alsowant to continue to get like new
games as well and stuff likethat.
So I think that that's like thenut, like probably one of the
big things I think we shouldhopefully get with the switch to
is another four swords game,because I mean, why not?
I would love to get four swordsfor sure what they want to do
with the, the connectivity withthat they want to do, and stuff

(01:33:53):
like that, the on the go.

They already have the whole their video chat
down below, so do that with afour swords game I think it's
crazy that I was just looking atnintendo tweets that final
fantasy 7 inter remake integrateis coming to.
That's crazy.
That's the.
That's the ps5 version of thatgame coming to.

(01:34:16):
To switch, switch to.

It's crazy I'm just curious, is it just going
to run a little lower on theresolution of the frame rate, or
did they cut back on thegraphics a little bit just to
make sure it was going to rungood?

I really don't know, because according to some
of the reports that we saw,they're saying that the Switch 2
version of Street Fighter 6 isthe best version of the game
over the PS5.
That's weird, it's very weird.

I'm not sure I don't understand this, just
articles that I've read unlessit's like an agreement where
it's developed for the switchand then ported over to the ps5,
but like if it wasn't I don'tknow that's.

It's weird I don't imagine with dlss.
Square enix is is firmly knowsall the the ins and outs of DLSS
.
I imagine this does not run anyworse than the PS5 version.
I really don't think so.

I mean it'd be nice to see PS5 and Switch 2
versions of some games run.
I think this runs just as well.

I truly think.
I think there's going to be nonoticeable differences between
the two versions, Because I'mlooking at gameplay right now
and I can tell you it doesn'tlook any different to me at all.
It looks exactly like Integratedoes on the PS5.
Frame rate looks good,resolution looks good.
So I think that we all kind ofunderestimated the Switch 2,

(01:35:37):
honestly Because we all thoughtunderestimated the switch to,
honestly, like cause, we allthought all PS4 level and
somewhere like maybe PS4 pro.
But here we're talking about aPS5 game, a PS5 exclusive game,
coming to the switch.
So I think we underunderestimated the, the switch

(01:35:58):
to, a little bit.

I mean, that's, that's the hope when we actually
get our hands on it.
It also like if you had notalready been following the news
though.
Uh, so if you have uh nintendoswitch online plus expansion
pass, you will get the switch toedition upgrades for breath of
the wild and tears of thekingdom included in that uh and
that thing.
So you have to pay the 10 or 20bucks that they're charging for

(01:36:20):
it In a pocket as Brandon headsout, just keep moving on.
So we got some word From ReggieAbout the Switch 2 pricing
controversy.
What is it?
Sorry I had it pulled up for asecond.

(01:36:40):
I don't have Brandon here to goback and forth.
What is it?
Sorry I had it pulled up for asecond.
I don't have a brain here to goback and forth while I pull
this up real quick.
But obviously the price betweenthe console and mainly the
games and stuff like that.
So I was trying to figure outwhere it was.
So yeah.
So Reggie essentially tweetedout Let me pull it up for you

(01:37:02):
all so you can see that makes alot more sense.
About the Wii Sports.
Zoom this up for a little bit.
So, as Angie just tweeted out,you know we the story of Wii
Sports back in.
Uh, we play remote plus and theresults from from the, from
this YouTube channel and stufflike that.

(01:37:24):
It just feels like one of thoseyou just, you know, just having
a good time poking the bear alittle bit, but uh, uh, you know
, they're talking about it.
Obviously, these, these peoplekind of know what's going on,
but, uh, I, I was gonna go alittle bit more into this.
Obviously we talked about theprice and a little bit, uh, a
little bit early on with some ofthe pricing it was, it was kind

(01:37:45):
of brought up in the chat inlike the first half hour we were
talking.
But yeah, I don't have a wholelot and if you really want to go
out and watch these, uh, these,we, the, the pack and stuff, is
this really long or is it short?
All right, so let me, I, we canjust we can share this first
one real quick, uh, because, whynot?

(01:38:07):
This is from the is IGN.
Ign was interviewing him.

Speaker 3 (01:38:14):
One of the ones that stood out to me was during the
debate over whether or not topack in Wii Sports with the Wii,
and Miyamoto pushed back prettyhard against that.
It was one of the biggestpoints of discussion and one of
the bigger wins for you.

Speaker 4 (01:38:35):
Yeah, it's an understatement to say that Mr
Miyamoto pushed back.
You know, during thedevelopment of the Wii and the
Wii Sports software, you know,again, the goal was, you know,
we wanted this system to beattractive not only to the most

(01:38:56):
active players but to newplayers and to bring them into
the video gaming experience.
And we saw Wii Sports as theway to be able to do that,
because each of these sportsmade great use of the Wii remote
.

You have a few, okay, so yeah, so just gonna
loop there.
But um, I guess the idea and itmakes sense, where there's
obviously some ideologicaldifferences, where some people
just want to like sell somestuff to you other times it's
like you know the whole, thewhole pack and like this makes a
lot more sense.
And I don't know if if bowserjust thinks differently or just
didn't push back as much, butthat was an interesting take on

(01:39:34):
the whole issue of pricing ingames and stuff like that.

Did you see that ?
I got to hear a little bit ofwhat you're talking about with
Reggie.
I saw some of that with the WiiSports stuff stuff and I
thought that was prettyinteresting kind of hear some of
the backstory and then Miyamotokind of pushing back on it and
stuff like that.

I think this is less about the cost for Mario
Kart, where the whole $80, butthis the whole like, especially
the welcome tour in $10 likethat.
Really should have just been apack-in game it should have been
a pack-in game.

I will say this I want to be straight up.
I am going to buy it, just sothat I can check it out and talk
.

Good for you, I I'm not wasting my money on it.
You're gonna be a one of like10 people that buy that game.
I think it's stupid.

I think it's stupid, I really do.
It should be a pack-in title orit shouldn't exist at all.
But uh, I don't know, maybe Iwon't, I don't, I don't know,
maybe I won't, I don't know yet.
I was thinking about doing itfor a video, but I don't know
yet I guess, if you're able toget it, you could just do it.
Get it out of the game quickly.
Maybe I don't even need toworry about it.

(01:40:41):
There's going to be enoughSwitch 2 content to cover
because, moving forward, Ireally do want to cover a lot of
Switch 2 stuff.
There's so much coming out forit that I really want to hone in
on that.

I don't know if there's any internal discussions
, but I think I agree there'snothing wrong with a pack-in
title.
It helps you sell your game andstuff like that.
If you wanted to sell it at aslightly higher price, you have
somewhat of an excuse of well,you're getting this game, though
I think welcome to or is notthe same as what we sports was.

No no it, it.

You know the idea of packing games just doesn't
exist anymore and it kind ofsucks.
It's like the standard.
You, you, you get somesomething when you buy the
console at launch or not you getlike bundles later.
That'll have like you're doingthe bundle with the wii, but
like ps5 they have like a lastof us bundle, they have like a

(01:41:35):
madden bundle or I guess becausebecause they're giving us like
the the mario kart world bundle,but like the base thing should
have something to play insteadof just a menu that you can
scroll through that so you can'tdo anything, you have to, you
have to spend extra money onanother game.
I get the benefit with this.
It's back technically backwardscompatible, but like there
should be something that helpsyou show off the hardware.
Like let's be fair for theswitch one.

(01:41:55):
That's what should have been apacket right so astro's playroom
.

That's what that , which was amazing.
It was a fun experience like Iwish there was more of it and
they have updated it sincethey're just a few months ago.
They added content it, but thatwas an experience for you to
figure out the DualSensecontroller, all the capabilities
of it, everything that youcould do with the controller.
It showed off everything aboutthe console.

(01:42:20):
It went through the history ofPlayStation.

It was a pack-in game, but I mean, this isn't
even really much of a game.
You can explore what the Switch2 is.

It's the same concept of Astro's Playroom, but
it just doesn't look the same.

No, but you're like sitting here like we knew
it when we were watching thedrag, like if this isn't a pack
and no one's buying this,there's no it's going to be a
1-2 Switch deal.

It's going to be one of those a complete waste
of money.

The problem with the 1-2 Switch was a $60 game
and it was not $60.
They just got rid of it.

Although I do have to get that for the full
set of Switch first-party games.
But I have not bought itbecause I haven't found it for
like $10.

That's like more than the last one I want to get.
Wii Sports was such an iconicgame and it helped with their
later Wii games Wii Sports,games on the road, wii Sports.

Resort was really good too.

I mean, it was such a good game.

Wii Sports Resort.
Like the thing was that theyintroduced the.
What was the adapter called?
I?

know what you're saying.
Like the extended adapter thathelped with the stabilization
the controls and know whatyou're saying.

Like the extended adapter that helped
with stabilization or thecontrols.

I just forgot what it was called.

And they introduced that and I was like
man, this is mind-blowing, thisis so good, the sword fighting
and it was really, really good.

Wii Sports Resort was great, it's just something
fun to do.
You have a bunch of sports youcan play.
Hop in by yourself or play withfriends or something like that.

I rolled on everything in Wii Sports.
I played the crap out of thatgame.
I played so much of that.
Oh yeah, because you could seehow much you played at a level.
Yeah, tennis was my jam on that.

It was the baseball that I really liked,
playing Baseball and bowling.

Baseball was fun , bowling was really fun, but
tennis was my favorite.

Yeah, was really fun, but tennis was my favorite.
Yeah, it sucks that.
Uh, the pack-in, just if it'sjust a dead concept at this
point.
They just want to.
It's unfortunate, everybodynintendo, microsoft, so they
just want to nickel and dime youto death I mean I'm glad
they're doing the mario kartbundle which I like.
I said I'm so, technically, nota pack'm packing, it's just a

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bundle but it does make the gamecheaper.

It does make the game cheaper.

Yeah, so it encourages people to go after
that, first and foremost.

Yeah which is why I'm upset.
I didn't select that for thenintendo thing, but who knows if
I'll even get through for that.

So yeah, so there was some stuff.
If you haven't been following,obviously by now it's kind of
been resolved.
But there are some issues goingaround with the physical Switch
2 edition and the upgrades andstuff like that.
So there is an upgrade or youcan buy the brand new physical.
For some of these games likeBreath of the Wild, tears of the

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Kingdom and stuff like that,there's a digital upgrade or you
can buy the game again with allthat content on the actual
physical cartridge If you wantthe actual cartridge.
But I do think they did sayit's only the base game in the
upgrade pack on these cartridgesfor the switch too.
So you still have to buy theDLC for like breath the wild and
stuff like that.

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So which kind of is kind ofconfusing.
I'm like why not?
have the dlc in there as one onego.

So I could be wrong from what I just read,
because I added into the notesearlier, the dlc is not even a
part of the, the the remasterfor switch to it's not even.
It's not even possible for myunderstanding i's not even
possible to buy it.

I thought you just had to buy it separately,
but the fact that it's not thereat all just blows my mind.

Yeah, it was like a big deal getting the
motorcycle and then obviouslythe Master Trials, the first set
of the DLC, all that stuff.

Yeah, it's the only part of the game that you
can really challenge yourself.

So let me pull up the article that I was
looking at to kind of questionthat Breath of the Wild stuff.
So Zelda, breath of the Wild's$70 Switch 2 release does not
include DLC.
Going through it here, let'ssee.
So it does not say anythingabout getting the DLC whatsoever
in the Nintendo Switch 2edition of Breath of the Wild.

Hopefully that gets resolved pretty quickly.
There's good content there inthose DLCs.
Okay, so hold on.

This says the Switch 2 game card won't contain
content from the Master Trialsor Champions Ballad.
Players will have to buy theexpansion pass in addition to
the Nintendo Switch 2 edition ofthis game.
It will cost $70, which is $10more expensive than Breath of
the Wild retailed in 2017.
At the very least, we know theSwitch 2 enhancements will be on

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Breath of the Wild on the gamecard.
Those enhancements includeimproved resolution and frame
rate, as well as compatibilitywith the new Zelda Notes feature
on the Nintendo Switch app.

But that comes down to purchasable, it should
be on there.
It should be on, there Is iteven worth getting the Switch 2
version of that game, though youjust have to.
You're essentially paying forthe game twice at that point.
Well, you can get the upgrade.
I mean, I'll get the upgradefor sure.
No, but if you wanted theactual Switch 2 cartridge of the
game?

I mean, I'll be honest with you, I'm a big
enough Zelda fan that I feellike I do want the physical cart
for those games, but I don'tknow that I'll buy the new as
more like a collection thing.

Yeah, like you just didn't steal it at that
point.

Yeah, I don't have.
If I'll buy them right away oranything like that, it doesn't
make sense to be that expensive.

That makes more sense if you're going to sell
for maybe $40 or something likethat, or the price of the
cartridge plus $10.
There are times where you'rejust like I can tell you're
nickel and diming your customersbecause you know people will
pay that price tag for it.

They will.
That might be something for me.
I might try to find a used copydown the road, potentially.
I don't, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying.
I I'll do that because I wantto have that physical cart for
sure, because it's zelda.
But um, I don't know that.
I want to buy that outright at70 on already on the game, like
I'll get the upgrade, maybe I'llbuy the physical.

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I mean, I think they say, ifyou have the nso upgrade the.

If you have nintendo switch uh plus online.
Yeah, you don't have to.
You, you get.
You don't have to pay the tendollars for the upgrade, but the
fact that they're oh reallycharging full retail price for
the game on switch uh from whatthey said uh, here it is.
Uh, and so far, nintendo hasonly revealed a handful of
switch to additions, alongsidethe fact that most original

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Switch games can still be playednormally through backwards
compatibility Metroid Prime 4.
Beyond Switch 2, players canpick up enhanced versions of
Super Mario, jamboree, kirby theForgotten this is this was
typed weird.
Kirby the Forgotten Land,pokemon Legends, ea Breath of
the Wild, as well as Tears ofthe Kingdom.

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It's worth noting that NintendoSwitch Online plus Expansion
Pass subscribers can grab boththe Legend of Zelda Switch 2
upgrades completely for free or$9.99 for everyone else.

Oh, okay, I got Expansion Pass Plus, so if you
have the Expansion, Pass, youget those, so you don't have to
pay it out.

You so, if you have the expansion pass, you get
those, so you don't have to payit out.
You don't have to just put theSwitch 1 cartridge in.

That goes for Super Mario Party Jam 3, too.
You get that free.

DLC.
From what I was kind of reading, the gamer rant worded this
paragraph really weirdly but Iwas under the impression was the
upgrades if you had theexpansion pass was free.
We'd obviously for for legendsout on breath of wild, but I was
under the impression for allthese games it was.

I might be might be mistaken, this is just the
way they worded this paragraphkind of was confusing I will say
the only one, and I played itbecause I borrowed it from a
friend when it came out.
I will buy the nintendo switchto version of kirby Forgotten
Land because I don't own italready on Switch 1.
But I did get to play it.
It's really good.

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It's probably the best Kirbygame of all time.

Like Prime 4 and Pokemon Legends.
Obviously, you just get theSwitch 2 versions of these games
.
You don't have to worry aboutthe I have to buy the game
anyways, so yeah 100, you knowfor for these, like for for the
zelda games.
You're sitting here like you'vealready made your money.
Why are you like recharging forretail?
But I mean it's, it's thenintendo thing.

They don't ever want to like lower the price,
but it's just I mean, they look,it's not just nintendo they've
done we're going to be talkingabout it a little bit later but
they do it on PlayStation andXbox too.
The Last of Us stuff, man, I'mtelling you, they've done a lot
of weird stuff on PlayStationtoo.

You're sitting here like.
This only makes sense if you'venever gotten or played these
games before.
If you already own these games,this is a complete waste of
money.
Yeah, we'll get into it alittle bit later.
Yeah, but just in case you wereworried about it, nintendo did
come out and say the switch tocartridges will taste bad if you
try to eat it, just like thisone cartridge.

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That is confirmed.

I don't know why this is confirmed, but I saw
that I was like, oh it, that'shilarious.
Oh man, how many kids aretrying to eat?
Switch 2 cartridges.

Yeah, I don't know, it's something weird.
And then, because there weresome issues about it before, as
far as like the, Just like theSwitch 1, they'll let you know
if the game is just a digitalkey for the download.

Yeah, that was on switch one.
That's, uh, one of the things Ikeep saying on x people are
arguing about that.

I'm like that has been on switch one and they
came out and said it will be onthe box.

You'll have to know it, but like it would, say
the top of the box, the top ofthe box on the switch, one would
say that this is a, this is,it's a game card, it's a
download code or whatever itsaid it.
It always said it on the Switch1.

Which is why I don't like it.
I was like they did this on theSwitch 1, because the
cartridges are only so big.
Obviously they're bigger andbetter because Cyberpunk 2077,
the whole game is going to be ona 64-bit cartridge.
I mean, granted, the game isgoing to run 30 to 40 frames per
second, regardless of the modethat you're on.
Uh, so you there obviously hadto be some performance drop off,
because that's just a reallybig game.

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But the fact that they canstill put the game on a full
cartridge is is still impressive.
So hopefully, it's well to befair, this is really going to
come down to the developer.
This is going to be theirdecision whether they're going
to put the game on the cartridgeor make it a download because
I'm pretty sure most of thesegames were, uh, third-party
developers cartridge or make ita download, because I'm pretty
sure most of these games were uh, uh, third party developers
that had their games digitallydownloaded.
That's kind of how it was forthe switch one, if I'm not

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mistaken.
I don't think there was a firstparty game that had that
download code.

I don't remember , but I could be wrong the only
thing that I can think of and itwasn't technically a first
party game was mario ravids.
Had that, mario ravids?
Uh?

I guess that was also like it was a ubisoft game.

Yeah, it was like technically there was a
ubisoft game.

They were just using the, the mario ip yeah
that's the only usually I canthink of most of the first party
games didn't have that problem.
It was third party games thatwere just too big for the switch
one to handle on a cartridge.
Uh, but yeah it's one of thosethings like yeah, you're just
like I, okay, but like this wason a switch one, so I don't know

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why, but it's like bent out ofshape.

But I will say I mean the fact that they can fit
all of cyberpunk 2077 on thecart and still run at 40 frames.
A second pretty crazy manthat's like uh, that's pretty,
that's pretty crazy.
And yeah, I think with dlss, ifthey were working more of that
and had more time, they couldprobably get that up to 60
frames.

But you know, I think with with the time of
trying to get these games outand and trying to get
third-party support out, becauseactually it's not that bad,
with a little compression,because that game is only about,
you know, just shy of 85 gigson my pc.
So you had to they.
They chopped down about 20 gigsof game files from at least the
pc version.

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I don't know how much, like Ido.

I truly believe they.
They ramped up the dlss on it.
They could get that to run 60frames, no problem.

But um, I mean even there, there's a lot going
on in that game, to be fairthere's a lot going on in the
game.

But uh, I mean's a lot going on in the game, but
uh, I mean that's still crazyto see the full game on the cart
like that, you know, becausethat game wouldn't have run at
all on the switch one.

I just didn't have the hardware for it.
No way, I mean that gamestruggled on the base level ps4,
when it came out to be fairyeah, I don't even know that was
.

We don't even know if this, if this, uh,
cyberpunk 2077 has DLSS supportat all.

I'm just going to assume that the DLSS was built
into that frame rate.
That's why they're getting theframe rate, Because obviously
there's still some Like thatgame still can chug on a PC at
times, yeah, they're going tomod the crap out of the game, so
that's probably why it chugssometimes for me.

You got to teach me how to mod these games.
I don't know how to do it, youdo what I did.

You just get into pc games heavy and I don't know
how to mod anything, but I knowbrandon was super ready for
this.
Piranha pant uh, piranha plantcamera for the switch.
2 and it's fantastic if youwant your camera in a 480p
resolution, which means you onlybuy this thing because it looks
cool.

That's the only reason I'm buying it.
Who?

is selling a 480p .
Webcams at 1080p are like $20at Walmart.

How is this?

webcam such low resolution.
It's just a piece of plasticwith a webcam.
I don't understand it.

I absolutely will not't understand it.
This doesn't make any sense tome.
I absolutely will not be usingit.
I mean, like the official oneruns at 1080p.
Is this Nintendo or is thisHori being?

stupid.
This is Hori, this is licensed,but officially licensed.

Nintendo tweeted about it today.
I just pulled it up.
So Nintendo tweeted about it.
Hold on, let me pull it up.
They put out a lot of tweets.
They tweeted about it today.
I saw it.
I'm pretty sure it was today.

Alright, here you go.
All you needed to do was take aseparate camera.
Where is it?
Just something like this 1080p$20 camera on Amazon, I guess
$25 it's marked out, but like,come on, do we know how?
Much the piranha plant camerais probably $50 if I had to

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guess oh my god, I'm not gonnabuy it at $50.

Get out of here.

I got a bunch of stuff.
I'm just guessing $50 there'sno way.

I imagine this is.

Get out of here.
I got a bunch of stuff.
I'm just guessing.

There's no way I imagine this is a $20.
This has got to be $20.
There's no way it's $20.
It's got to be, Otherwiseyou're crazy.
I'm not buying it.
25 max 25 max.

Did they even give us a price tag on this
thing?

No, I don't think we have one yet.
I'm looking at Nintendo'sFacebook because I couldn't see
it on.

Twitter.
They say it's cheaper thanNintendo's official one.
Well, it should be.
It's 480p.
480p would be like a $10 camerais what it should be, because
that's what it is.
It's like a $5, $10 camera.
480p, yeah, 480, we were justtalking about 40p is great if
you're it's 2004, if people areactually using that for the

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feature.

It's gonna be like a bad news webcam, which is
all.

This is below 1080p, even being developed.
It was like, this is like I'm.

It blows my mind you know, I saw it was pretty
cool we were talking about thegame chat and stuff last week
right, so Nintendo put on April3rd they put out a video of
people playing on game chat,playing Link to the Past and
Four Swords via the Switch,which is like a really cool,
actually really cool concept andlike a cool way to play Four

(01:58:07):
Swords like that.

I like that I actually like that give us a new
one, nintendo?
What's going on here, yeah?

for sure, uh, give us a new one.
But no, I do like I like that,like there is some uh
functionality for game chat, Ithink that does make sense.
I think in general for me andyou like, it's going to mostly
not be a thing that we careabout, but for something like
four swords that would be reallycool I mean, like we talked
about before, outside of thevoice chat.

I think the actual video is very situational
and at large it's just notgoing to be used but, but can we
?

I know we don't have this in the notes, but I
would like to bring this up, um,because you, you are a big fan.
I'm a big fan as well.
Um, the new gundam seed BattleDestiny is coming to the Switch,
or Switch 2.
Sorry, it's coming to theSwitch 2.
I don't know if you saw thegameplay, but they just put it
on their Facebook 11 hours ago.

What was this?
A Vita game?
Yeah, this was a Vita game.
Originally came out in 2012 inJapan only, so we never got this
game in the West.

Yeah, we never got this game most of these
games never came to the West butlike this it looks good for
Switch 2 it looks really goodlike it doesn't it's remastered
and it doesn't look like a Vitagame to me.

I was like, is this the same one as the GBA one
that I picked up in Japan?
But I was like I can't read itand this was GBA, so it was
probably a different game butyou can definitely tell this is
a fully remastered game, like itlooks, like, I think it has
like.
The vita didn't have really thebest resolution it's like this
is a good video games look goodon a vita, not on a 1080 on a 4k

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screen had oled screen andeverything man look good but
it's a small.
It's the.
It has low resolution justbecause of the size of the
screen but no, this looks reallygood like 480.

This is something me and you could play.

I'm just saying like 480p would look fine on
like a cell phone size screen,but like on on a tv it looks
terrible when it's blown up butthis does not.

The trailer does not look terrible, which is
good.

I would expect him to do a lot of work on to it
.

But is this something that you would want to
pick up with me to play?
I?

mean, yeah, I love Gundam Seed.
I have slight issues withDestiny, but Gundam Seed is one
of the favorite Gundam series.

The gameplay is good.
Their best alternate universeseries.
Gundam Seed yeah, I get it withDestiny, but yeah, the game
looks good, because this gamecomes out in May, so I mean
there's another third-partypickup yeah, may 21st.
Yep, it's a Switch 2 exclusive,as far as I'm understanding.

No, it's because I pulled up it.
It comes out on May 21st onSteam.
I think it's going to come outon everything, but.

I think, I want to have this physically, though
I think I want to have thisphysically, though I think I
want to.
I want to test out that switchto and stuff.

I think it's the one I would want to have on
switch, to get it for the switchand then, yeah, maybe what you
go is get it on, but I mightjust buy it twice steam later
yeah, buy it on steam first andthen buy, or just buy both of
them.
Play it on steam but have thephysical exactly.

Yeah, uh, mr coffee said vita screen is great
compared to 3ds.
That screen looked great.
I agree.
I think it's still.
I have um straight up compared.
Yeez, on the like, I put themside by side on the switch and
on the vita and I could not tella difference.
So I'm serious like the oledscreen on the uh, the, the vita
was like it just for the timewas unreal.

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Like they used an OLED screenand it looked so good Still
looks good compared to someSwitch titles today.
Really does, really does.
It still compares to sometitles today.
So I think the Vita'sphenomenal, I love it.
We got it plugged up at alltimes ready to go.

Vita really was a good handheld.
I didn't play it a whole lot itwas fantastic games.

I love, I love.
It's one of my favoritehandouts of all time.

But yeah, I guess we can kind of go into some of
our, our main stuff.
So Nintendo is reporting thatthey're sending most of their
Vietnam made switch to consolesto the U S, essentially.
And then because the as for thetime being, there's still a 10%
tariff in place for the timebeing.
I don't know if it was in thisarticle, but from what I've

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heard and there was rumors thatsaid more than likely they're
willing to take a loss with that10% and the rumor was they're
going to just sell it as is witha slight loss but it also means
they're not going to drop thethe game prices, though it was
very apparent obviously 100 thatfor us and canada.

They decided to stop the pre-orders because they
were deciding if they weregoing to raise the price or not
well, they needed what the thebig thing was.

They need to figure out what was going to
happen and where they were goingto stand with with, you know,
costs and everything else theyhad to figure out.
You know, are we going to keepit, can we take the loss, or
what's going on.
So I this is not.
Obviously they haven't madeanything official, but they were
.
Everything that I've heard isthey're they're leaning towards
just taking the.
They're going to eat that 10percent loss and sell it as is,
because, to be fair, even if youyou take that into account it,

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any increase just makes it thatmuch harder to to sell it?

yeah, it does.

So you think, like nintendo is not known for
taking losses on their handhelds, or I mean on their consoles,
period so the I guess we'll findout here in a hot second
because, uh, on top of you knowthat that's that's where most of
them are coming from.
That's a lot of stuff.
Most of the stuff ismanufactured in Vietnam.
I think they said there's likeone or two part, that's a piece

(02:03:37):
of the harbor that's built,that's made in China and stuff
like that.
But on top of that it's alsothere's a I don't think it's a
rumor thing, I'm pretty sureit's official.
Yeah, because it was on.
I'm pretty sure it's official.
Yeah, because it was on the 10.
Pretty sure it was on attendedwebsite that, uh, for the us,
and then, probably going to becandid, on top of that, uh, the
switch to pre-orders andpre-order invitations from my

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nintendo will roll out on the8th of may, which means probably
around 8, 9, 10, whatever thatweek is is when pre-orders are
going to officially go liveacross the board.
For the switch to when did yousay eight?
uh, may 8th is when the mine,8th that's when the mine attendo
the website.
That's when those pre-ordersare supposed to roll out on the
8th, which means it's probablygoing to be that day, right

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around that same time period,that everything else goes live,
or right after that date oh wow,like I've been seeing that it
could be any day.
Now people are waiting becauseI think from what everything I'm
going to see if they that's along time to to wait for
pre-orders.
So this was pulled from theiractual website.
At the bottom where you clickthat register, it says the first

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batch of invitations will goout starting May 8th, with
additional batches of invitationemails sent periodically until
purchasing on my Nintendo storeis open to everyone.
So they essentially pushed itback a whole month.

Tag on man.
That kind of sucks.
So that means it's probablygoing to be pre-orders, like a
month before pre-orders foreverybody probably.

Well if, based off of what they said before, it
was supposed to pre-orders wason what they were going to the
day before it officially wentlive.
So you could assume probablythe 9th is when, uh,
everything's going to be open.
Everything across the board iswhen pre-orders officially start
.
So dang yeah, I think peoplethis is just pre-orders, so any

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day now or from what I've seen,the idea is it's not any day,
it's you have about three weeksbefore the three, four weeks
before pre-orders go live.
So any day now, or from whatI've seen, actually the idea is
it's not any day, it's you.
Still it's a, it's a you haveabout three weeks before the
three, four weeks beforepre-orders go live.
So at least we have like anactual uh, a date that they're
gonna at least the mine attendo.

Yeah, they're judging that based on the hours
that you have on your switchalready is how they're judging
it the amount of time you spenton your.

So I mean yeah, because I already.
I already did that a while ago,so it's a matter of do.
Do either of us get an emailthat says, hey, you're able to,
I spent a lot of time on myswitch, so I think I'm good.

Um, I play my switch the most, so, uh, I think
I should be good on hours.
I think I saw a thing that saidabout people having over 100
hours or more on the last.
I forget like 90 days.
Or think I saw a thing thatsaid about people having over
100 hours or more on the last.
I forget like 90 days orsomething I saw I last night.

Well, I think it's just.
They think their site just saidlifetime.
You needed x amount of hour,like 50 hours, lifetime on the
switch oh, really okay all right.
I'm pretty sure it wasn't oneof those last 90 days, from what
the official site.
When we went through and readit last time it was just hours
played.

No last 90 day thing.
Okay, it makes more sense.

The idea is they were just trying to.

At the same time I'm kind of like damn, because
I selected the wrong one, I'llhave to buy Mario.
Kart.
World separate.
But if it comes through wrongone, I'll have to buy mario kart
world separate.
But if it comes through and Iget the chance to buy it, I'm
just gonna go ahead and buy itand just do it that way well I
guess I was saying uh, the themain thing about the 50 hours
was it was supposed to.

It's one of those where it's like it's just
cutting out scalpers yeah it's agood concept yeah, right at
this point, even if you're gonnato scalp.
Well, if you're going to make10 scalping, you have to have
NSO paid 10 times.

Right, you can't make bots for that.

It wouldn't be cost efficient, even to at this
point to do it again.
But the idea was where they'recutting out scalpers, because
the cost and the time investmentbased off the original was
going to be almost impossible todo.

I, based off the original, was like gonna be
almost impossible to do and I Istill stand if, if I see it pop
up and and I can buy it for youtoo, I'll still buy a, a second
one, just in case and and if youend up getting it before then
I'll just because once we knowI'll still, I'll still get my
local gamestop just in, just incase and see if I'm able to you,
keep you, keep me in mind,don't forget about me that's
assuming they don't have.

Like you can only order one type thing.
We'll see.

I think the retailers might not care.
Depends, depends.
Yeah, I won't have a GameStopto check, so I don't know.

It's more like the outside of the.
My Nintendo is probably goingto be the best option, because
everything else is going to beonline.
It's just going to be gobbledup.

It's going to be .
Yeah, it's not going to be fun.
That's what I'm worried about.
I like really worried about thelaunch of it, being able to try
to get it from launch and stuff.
So we'll see what happens.

I guess, yeah, so I guess we'll.
We'll see what happens at theend of the day.
So obviously, everything isstill subject to change, but uh,
yeah, I guess we just have tokeep an eye out, and this is
just the the current stuff thatwe're tracking right now yeah,
for sure uh, on top of that, wealso move this over real quick,

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because I think this just looksa lot better on screen.
Xbox showcase sunday, june 8th,and we're getting a direct for
the outer worlds 2 coming, somark your count.
That's that sucks.
It's a sunday, because thatmeans we have a whole five days
where we could talk about ityeah, it's going like 10 am on a
sunday might have to try to tryto live stream this.

(02:09:08):
If we're able to cause, it'swhat's June 8th.
We might be able to, yeah it'sSunday, 10 am Pacific, so it'll
be what One or 2 pm your time.
Yeah, we might be able to dothat That'd be fun.

It's always fun to stream those uh showcases and
directs and stuff like that tryto do that.

I don't see why not about that.
Yeah, so that's like the uh,yeah, it's.

Yeah, I mean I was out there, but it should be
good stuff because the lastdirect, like they brought out
good stuff and I feel like youknow we're probably going to see
more about wu chang.

I feel like it's going to be a thing, um yeah,
okay, so sorry, because it wasquite literally on the screen.
The outer worlds 2 is directly.
Uh, that's not showing on thescreen.
It's directly all the rightafter case yeah.
We have the Xbox showcase andthen they're going to do more
more specific for the outerworlds too.
I like the first outer worldsgame, so I'm I like to see what
they're gonna do for this one.

Yeah, I liked it too.
I thought it was fun.

And then, obviously, because this is about
the time period where we're,you know, e3 would have been, so
it's pretty much up until, youknow, around june 8.
That's when the all nintendonews kind of kind of goes away,
even though the switch 2 will beout, there'll be a lot more to
actually talk about.
It just feels like a lot ofnintendo because what the mario
kart world direct comes out nextthursday yeah, yeah next it's
like three direct three uhpodcasts in a row.

It's just mainly nintendo, because that's like
that's just how it is forconsole launches.
I think you know when, when newconsoles launch.

I think it's how it is because you got to know
the other industries, kind ofknow what nintendo's probably
doing.
They, they, cut, cut like let'sjust back off and give it some
room to breathe.

Playstation straight out.
Put out a poll on X saying areyou buying Nintendo Switch 2 or
whatever?
Let's see if I can pull it up.
But PlayStation.

Of course, the majority is going to be no,
because you know theirPlayStation people are going to
fall.

Let me see if I can pull it up, because I can't
remember how long ago it was.
Let's see, yeah, it wasinteresting.
They straight up put a thingout about Switch 2, and I was
like, oh, that's kind of coolthat they did that.
I actually think it waspositive.
From what I remember seeing man, they put out so many tweets.
How far back are we going?

Dang, I don't see it Is it crazy that June's
right around the corner.
I mean technically we're onlyfour months in but, you're like.
June's gonna be here before youknow it it is kind of crazy.

I ordered the.
I'm crazy because you know Ilove the controllers.
I ordered the Last of Uscontrollers today.
I mean, I knew it was gonna besuper limited.
it was already being scal.
It was already being scalped.
It was already being scalped oneBay.
So I was like it came up onAmazon again.
I was like I went ahead andordered it.
I thought it looked pretty cool.

(02:12:01):
I thought it looked pretty cooland I always liked the cool
design controllers.
So I can't find the pool, butanyway, they put something out
somewhere that was talking aboutthe.

uh, I mean I guess the only other before we
hit the last thing the onlything that I saw recently was
south of midnight came out andit just had abysmal steam
numbers.
It only peaked at like 15 1400people really yeah, it was
essentially not not doing allthat well, that's like the only
other big thing, but it was sucha small thing in the news.
It's like you're talking aboutthis because nothing else is

(02:12:35):
coming out and sweet baby inc.
Had a huge big hand on thatgame.
But it's just kind of like,yeah, we kind of all expected
this game to kind of flop likeeverything else.
Oh my god assassin's creedshadow didn't save Ubisoft,
because there are all sorts ofissues bringing in Tencent to
help them out, which I guess cankind of help roll on the last

(02:12:57):
one, because it doesn't haveanything to do with Assassin's
Creed or Tencent, but they're inthe midst of a lawsuit.
So essentially they areshutting down the crew and now
there's an ongoing lawsuitbecause of it.
And I feel like this could be apretty decent case Because
essentially, ubisoft's mainargument is what they say you

(02:13:22):
don't have unfettered ownershiprights.
Essentially, you only have alimited license to access the
game.
You, essentially you don't.
You, you're just not going toown your games anymore, which
was the big thing that, really,when they came out and said that
, that was the turnoff of, likeokay, I'm never buying an
ubisoft game again and I haven'tever since.
But the fact, essentiallythere's a lawsuit because the
idea is are you, are we gonna?

(02:13:45):
We need some closure on thefact that you're just gonna
license the game or when you buythe game, do you actually own
it?
like this is a discussion thatneeds to be, you know, resolved
like as more people kind oflearn about what's actually
going on, especially as you headtowards the digital like is
there?
Is there a resolve, a way toresolve this properly, or you're

(02:14:05):
just going to be stuck with thelicense?

I mean the, the licensing is a problem.
So I saw a meme today actuallyfunny enough that was talking
about it was essentially apositive thing towards Steam,
weirdly, but they were talkingabout owning the game.
They're like, do you own yourgame?
And I had Steam said no, andthen had GOG and said yes, you

(02:14:33):
own your game, and they werelike no, and then had gog and
said yes, you own your game, andthey were like thumbs up for
steam or whatever and they werelike thumb thumb sideways for
for gog, but like that.
That's the thing about.
That's my problem with steamtoo is that, like I have a lot
more gog games.
I told you that, like you know,I I do have.

I am building a little bit, but the problem with
the game, like the crew, isit's server-based, so it doesn't
really matter yeah so there'stwo things obviously.
One of the big things is theclaimants are uh accused ubisoft
.
I'm reading this from thearticle uh at ign uh, the
claimants accused ubisoft ofviolating california's false

(02:15:10):
advertising law, unfaircompensation law and Consumer
Legal Remedies Act, as well ascommon law, fraud and breach of
warranty claims.
Essentially, they're sayingthat Ubisoft broke California
state law around gift cardswhich are not allowed to expire.
This is an actual quote fromUbisoft.

(02:15:31):
Uh, the actual.
This is an actual quote from uh, from ubisoft.
As they said, uh plaintiffsallege that they purchased
physical, physical copies of thecrew under the belief that they
were obtaining unfetteredaccess to the game in uh
perpetuity, sorry.
Plaintiffs also take issue withthe fact that ubisoft did not
offer to create a offlinesingle-player option of the game
, otherwise known as a patch,when it shut down the crew

(02:15:54):
servers in march 2024.
Ubisoft's lawyer wrote so theidea this is this kind of coming
to the conclusion, especiallywith like online video games is
you know, do you own your gameor is this a license?
And is there?
If you're selling a physicalcopy of a online game, is that
misleading if you weren't saying, hey, this is you don't own

(02:16:17):
this game, this is a licensethat's a tough one because
there's a lot of physical copiesof online only games.

No, but like a lot of physical copies of online
games.
That you have to are games thatyou have to be connected to
play, that are even singleplayer yeah, ubisoft has
obviously fought a motion todismiss and there's nothing here
.

But, like, um, this is one of those things that
you know, if it were to moveforward, could be, could have
like major consequences.
If, if, say, this ruling wereto go, the fact that you know,
if you buy a product, you own it, which means you, these, these
companies have to, you know,afford you a way to play this
game, even if, like, the servershut down or it completely

(02:16:58):
changes.
You know, game development orthe whole concept of you don't
buy a license, even if it'sdigital, only like you own that
game, which could create a wholehost of other issues,
potentially, not, not really,it's just they have, they have
to have a way for you tore-download a game if you bought
it essentially.
But like this, this could beprobably one of the biggest uh,
you know huge uh outcomes.

(02:17:20):
If you, if it goes the way thecustomer wants it to go, we want
to uh with the outcome, atleast here in the us.
But even if it was like us, forone, it would, it would affect
the the industry globally,because you're not gonna have
different standards for the mostpart.
So like this, this, it couldget tossed out and it doesn't
really matter, or this.
This ruling could have likehuge uh implication, yeah, with

(02:17:44):
how it affects the industry, andnot necessarily single-player
games, but but especially onlinemultiplayer games.
It's a huge problem.
So what if they want to shut itdown?
Do they then have to offer somekind of offline mode or the
ability for you to play thisgame?
They should?
You need to use a server.

Essentially, I mean this is a weird example,
but this is just, for instance,like Animal Crossing Pocket Camp
.
They were shutting the gamedown.
They offered for you to be ableto buy the full game on iOS now
for $10.
You just buy the full game toplay offline single-player mode.
You don't have to be connectedor anything like that.
I mean it's a weird example,but they have done stuff like

(02:18:27):
that for games where they end upoffering a single-player
offline mode when it's like thisis doable, plus you, I, because
of the timing.

You have to feel like they they saw some of these
things going on like let's justnot fall into this potential
issue.
We see certain laws that couldput us into a bind and this is
not that hard for us to do, solet's just make an offline mode
and kind of be done with itpotentially.

Potentially.

Do you think?

I mean, yeah, I don't know.
Mr Coffee said I don't thinkthe gaming industry really
thought what is a digital gameand who owns it?

I mean it's like hard, it's hard to say on this,
like I'm like there's the,there's the, the legalese hidden
in the terms of service thatnobody reads.
Let's be fair.

Speaker 4 (02:19:10):
Yeah right, the there's the legalese hidden in
the terms of service that nobodyreads.

Let's be fair.
Nobody's reading the terms andall this stuff.
They're just hitting yes andplay.
But let's be fair Just becauseyou put something in a contract
or in terms of service doesn'tmake it legally binary and it
doesn't mean it's going to holdup in court.
Just because you signed, justbecause I went through a class
for this, just because you andsomebody else wrote a contract
and agreed to the contractdoesn't mean it's legally
binding, doesn't mean it followslaws, doesn't mean it can't be

(02:19:33):
tossed out and so, like in termsof service, where you have to
agree before you can play thegame?
yeah, doesn't, doesn't,technically it's technically
you're, you're agreeing to a, a,a contract.
But just because you agree toit doesn't mean it's legally
binding.
It'll, it will always.
It doesn't mean it's legal andit will be held up in court.

Essentially, that can be.

Yeah, it can be, especially the contradicts like
if the, if the, if a this is afact more than gaming.
Like if you sign it.
If you and me just had a like abusiness contract, yeah, we
both could agree to it, but itviolates federal and state laws
here in the us, means thecontract's non-void and it would
get tossed out it's crazy, Ididn't know that yeah just
because you sign a contractdoesn't offer that terms of

(02:20:14):
service and you agree to it.
I mean, yeah, you agree to it,but doesn't mean it will always
hold up in court, the courts.
You'll be like no, you can't dothis, or this was misleading,
or you know you to be fair, youdidn't expect people to read
this, or this violates thesecertain laws or statutes.
So it doesn't really matterwhat you agreed to.
We said you can't do this.

Interesting.

Okay, yeah, I mean, it's got major impact,
which is why you run into issueslike this because 100%, in
those terms of service orwhatever those things you agreed
to, when you play online, itsays somewhere buried in there
was like you were buying alicense of this game, Guaranteed
.
That was in there somewhere,Like you don't own this game or
you're buying a license.
But now you're going to courtbecause you know it's misleading
.
You didn't come out and saythat, or is this even legal?

(02:20:58):
Can you even do this based offof these certain laws in the
state, which is what you'regoing to run into?

So it's you know who knows how this could go you
gonna run into, so it's youknow, who knows how this could
go.

Yeah, I mean I'd be interested to to see what
happens.
I, I don't know.
Yeah, it's one of those thingslike just because they put it in
here doesn't mean it's there,you're gonna win a court case or
it's gonna hold up, essentially.
So, yeah, yeah I don't knowit's.
It's a complicated, it's acomplicated world it certainly
sounds like it.

Yeah, I mean, I'll be interested to see what
happens, because I mean those uhphysical copies of um online
only.
Games are always weird,especially.
It's especially weird when it'sa single player game like, uh,
valhalla, for instance.
Think of a ubisoft game that Ireally enjoyed.
You had to be connected to theinternet so to play the game, uh

(02:21:50):
, which is unfortunate it'swhich is completely bs.

But even for just digitally only games like if
this, this could have massiveramifications.
If, like if, if we were to comeout that if you buy something,
you own it, even if it's digitalmedia, that means how they
approach.
You know, certain things has tochange.
Or, uh, what if it?
What if it drops off, say, thesteam page can't buy it anymore?
Well then, to some degree,steam still has to allow you to

(02:22:16):
to redownload the game even ifyou don't have it, which means
you have, to like, maintainserver access and stuff like
that.
But yeah this also means uh, ordo they make different rulings
for digital or physical?
There's a whole issue there.
Or what happens if, say, like,ubisoft goes under and their ip
is just in limbo, how do youaccess and access digital games
and stuff like that?
That's a whole host of uh ofissues.

(02:22:37):
Like something like pc's alittle bit easier because
everything goes through, like athird party, like steam, because
they have delisted games before, but but if you already bought
it, you, they allow you to, toredownload it and stuff like
that, but that's something theywould have to do.
If this becomes a thing whereit's like you have, just because
it's digital, only you stillhave to, they still own the game
, does that potentially save,say, physical media then,

(02:23:01):
because what they want to dowith digital doesn't really go
the way they want, because theycan't just like cut you out and
stuff like that, does that meanthey they are more inclined to
keep physical copies becausethis ruling says they have to or
because it it makes it easierto navigate?
You know, certain legal rulingsand stuff like that, like they,
this, this could get tossed outand this is all moot point, or

(02:23:21):
this could move forward and itcould have potentially big
ramifications on the outcome ofof this ruling?
Potentially, obviously it'sgoing to get.
This will take probably a fewyears to get resolved If it
doesn't get tossed out.
They're going to go through thewhole legal proceedings.
You're going to get a ruling,it's going to get challenged,
you're going to have some backand forth and stuff like that.
Yeah, and stuff like that, yeah,certain interpretations and

(02:23:43):
just because you get a courtruling doesn't mean you can't
have a law later that negatesthat or changes how certain
things work.
It's, it's a big mess and thisis.
I feel like this is somethingwe're gonna be talking about for
a while, but it's, you'reprobably gonna be a year or two.
But if you get like some actualhard, very uh resolution, and
even when you get resolution,you're gonna have some x amount
of time to comply and it's yeah,this is this is something

(02:24:05):
that's gonna take a while, butit's, it's worth paying
attention to.
But even if you don't get theruling that you want doesn't
mean you still can't get lawschanged in the future that
benefit the consumer and stufflike that.
So, uh, that's a wholepotential can of worms that you
could really go down.
It's just kind of interestingto to talk about yeah, it is.

It is for sure.
Is it less about dunking on?

ubisoft.
They just happen to be involvedin this.
Uh, more about like thislawsuit itself could could lead
to good things for the consumer,or it could just prove that
nobody cares about you.
Just buy the slop, you will.
You'll own nothing and be happyyeah, yeah, it's.

Uh, it's a crazy mess with ubisoft, and I'll be
interested to see what comes ofthis for sure yeah, I don't know
if there's anything else youwanted to hit up.
I think we're good.

Got a lot of good stuff, a lot of Nintendo stuff.
We didn't go as long this week,only about two and a half hours
it went pretty long last week Ijust got to upload it on audio.

I was pretty late getting it up.

I mean, I guess the 20 minutes was just the
bantering we did for the firsthalf hour or so.
Yeah, before we even got intoany of the main stuff we wanted
to talk about.
Yeah, appreciate everyonesupporting the podcast Obviously
got to hit us up on all thesocials the Facebook, twitch,
youtube, kik, instagram, tiktok,twitter, xthreads, all the fun

(02:25:26):
stuff.
We're live streaming tomorrow,8 p pm eastern.
If you're not, latei, believewe're playing something
different for the first time inlike a month.
We were supposed to play like,I feel like a month and a half
ago.
It's the uh uh earth defenseforce.
Yeah, 3.1 4.1 one of the fourpoint one, yeah, one of those

(02:25:47):
it's earth, the earth defense,where I want to play this.
For a while Didn't play beforeI left.
Then we came back and uh uh,monster hunter came out.
It was a big game yeah, reallygood game, and stuff like that.
So uh, got a lot of other gameswe want to play too.

Still want to go back to that way, yep, so we
don't think.

I don't know if I missed anything for you before
we head out no, I think we'regood.

I think we're good so I appreciate everybody
getting close out here and weappreciate everybody watching,
uh, listening, really got somereal good.

Uh, I guess next week I'll probably be talking
just a half hour mario kartworld, because we have a whole
direct for that game coming up.

So uh, I'm excited to talk more about it,
though I'm excited to see moreabout the game, so I think I
think other people will beexcited too.
Um, so a lot we can.
We're getting a lot of nintendoviewers in and a lot of people
love nintendo, so always good,finally get to know.

All right, we're gonna get to the first real look
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