289a. Get Out My House Or Get In Me Feat Tori Easton (part two)

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Can I ask you a question? Why you don't ever
play with my nipples? I got nipples too. It's my
turn to get tied up knocking headcuts though I got PTSD.
Welcome the hardest soft where men speak. So hopefully somebody
will understand when you say freaky? What's what's freaky? What?
What do you mean by freaky? If I do this?
You're not gonna tell your friends?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Right?

Speaker 1 (00:50):
How y'all feeling y'all good?

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I got It's a bathroom, my dam so right. I
don't think that you can miss the water today. The
water's been running high. I water. I mean, I'll be
trying to get you not pour into the into the
That's what I've been doing for forty thousand years. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Wow, it's there for you.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
To pee it. It's obnoxious. It's not there for you.

Speaker 4 (01:09):
I have never youre the first person I've heard say
don't pee in the water. I've never heard nobody.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Say that before. I only pee directly in the water
when I'm in somebody else's house if I'm drunk. Why
so you peel on the wall because it's making it? Yeah,
pee on the basin, Yes, you pee in the water. Yeah,
pay in the water. The only thing I ever heard
says that, I think it's obnoxious peeing in the water.
I pee on the basin. I'll pee away on the side.

(01:33):
I aim for the back. You know what I'm saying.
I'm trying to get away from the whole house hearing
me drain my motherfucking bladder. Why I'm considerate. It's just
not a It's just not a nice sound to hear.
A right, Nigga said, I don't care. Yeah, don't be outside.
I'm not peeing on the wall. He said, I pee

(01:53):
outside outside? I mean I do too. No fu do
it where people can see me or hear me. That's different.
I'm not trying to you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
what is that a thing? Being on the side. Nobody's
never heard of that. If you pee outside the water,
it makes more work for you to clean. So like,

(02:14):
I've never heard that. What I mean, he's lazy bitch, rabbit?
Who cares? What is wrong with you? Bro cares? You
can't just be hit the bell. You can't be calling
people bitches. That's rabbit. So what that's I know him?

Speaker 4 (02:26):
It don't matter, Nigga.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
You called me all types of bitch ass niggas we
got me different? What's the difference? I don't know. I
talked to him more when I talked to you. You
talked too long. A though I've talked to him longer
than I talk to you. I don't be talking like that.
We need to put that in the poll. But I
pull up on his head though. You know what I'm saying,
is that not a thing? Being on the side. Sometimes

(02:48):
matter of fact, you call the next time you need
somebody take care of your neighbor, you call that nigga.
How about that? Since man's all day, next thing, somebody
take care of your neighbor. I called you because you're
big and dark skinned. I would That's why. That's why
I called you big enough intimidating. Yeah, the fan out
of way that weeks. You can't take your dropping phone

(03:12):
in the process though, Yeah, that is the tiniest tank
top I've ever seen.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
You know enough of my client, bro enough you've been
attacking this nigga all day?

Speaker 1 (03:21):
What's up? What's going on? What's going on? And he
hasn't tucked into his under supposed to. You're supposed to
take the taktop and you can't.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, under that tetip hanging out.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yea, he he's been having the takes up coming under
his shirt. And look at a lot of bad etique
need to be hanging out. What are you doing? You
got that one is empty? Damn there, So if you
want to, you've got a lot of bad etiquetes.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
So yeah with that.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, no, I tucked my tank top into my pants.
I don't tuck it into my underwear. You it's weird.
It's giving harlem. Wow. I was about to say bronx,
but y'are good.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, we don't talk our white beets into our pants.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
It is time to start.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
The show is getting tired, guys, I literally can tell
when you getting tired, Like why don't you stand up
or anything? When you start get happen breaking sleep, said earlier.
Earlier she put the the table ship.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I didn't even see.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
You. Oh yeah, all right, let me see if I
get it right this time, because last week I stumbled
and yesterday made fun of me. I fucked up before
to thing. Huh. I think I sucked it up the
week before? Yeah, oh did you? I don't know, Well,
you don't normally do it, so it's all right. But
I've been doing this for down in three years long. Probably, Yeah, welcome, No,
he was doing it before that. Oh yeah, welcome to

(05:13):
the hard or Soft show, The show where we talk
about things men like in the bedroom and things that
men don't like in the bedroom, the things that make
us hard and the things that make us soft. Oh.
Sometimes we talk about women too, but you know they
don't really matter. Here we go, all right, Lord Jesus

(05:35):
aggressive much. You're right. Summertime. I'm here with my Monfred
Devin there. Summertime. It's so crazy.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, that's what yo, what's wrong with you? I'll be
spicy in the summertime. You don't win to me and
some of me two different means. You know that you
don't want the weather get nice, I get a little social.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
You seem a little confused. You got on shorts and hoodie.
I'm count don't even in his stand like what mood
is that when you walk out the house, the one
worried about your nipples getting cold on don't took my
wife beating on my pants. I'm sorry. That's not this
to me, nigga. You was going you were a play
party with ripped underwear. This is that type of Nigga

(06:17):
is gonna tell me these fashion bro Let's not do that.
Let's I love you, listen, I love introduce your I
just I'm confused talking about draws. But please, I'm not
the I love you. We're good. I love We're good.

(06:39):
I'm chilling. I am here. This is my mon Fred
Tongue Tornado a k A poom poom.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
A k a.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
He does doctor tongue. None of these are actually my nickname.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
You got a new one aka the head band Bandit.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
The head band Banded aka Joseph. I know I made
no no, no, no Ellie Gaunt.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Maybe my d M saying all of this. Ship, I've
been seeing the requests. I'm like, yeah, I ain't responded. No,
I better stop playing and stop leaving them comments on
my picture to my soul comment and ship said fucking.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Doctor tongue, and I'm like a whole relationship.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Imagine your girl posts me a comment from three signals
and your chocolate tongue.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Like, what the.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Saying? What is that you should read my comments? And
recently my mother told me that she likes to sometimes
read the comments on my post, and I said, oh,
don't you ever do that. I guess you like, but
a lot of them are really not.

Speaker 6 (08:00):
And I said, no, mother, she sees old or not.
But I mean, we're gonna talk about this little circ
my friend, the chocolate thor.

Speaker 1 (08:13):
Why can't this be just yesterday? I appreciate you, brother, Chocolate.
How you feeling invading? My friend? Feeling good? Hungry?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
Waiting to see how what Cody did for us? So
y'all don't see me next week? Y'all know why wow
on his on his portion, Uber eats of this here man,
you know me here chilling like a villain. Summer's approaching.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
You did a episode today? Yes, I did? With Madam
say the oracle. What I'm saying? I heard you here Front.
It's so scared to open up to anybody. What. I
can't wait till you get to the point where you
don't give a fuck? What about front? About you just
you're just You're You're in that whyan. You're still an

(09:02):
end of whyan. Like even in your thirties, you're still
you're still a Wyan because you're not. You can't just exist,
you can't just be and be confident. However you really
are you still have this. I don't want to say Aura,
but this protective show, so you ain't gonna let nobody

(09:25):
get past that. And so she was trying her best
to get past it. She was knocking around looking for
no nope, nope, no bobbing and weaving. I'm just like
this nigg is yo. But I've been there before as
a young man. I remember that time where I can't like,
you're not going to see me in a certain way.
You're not gonna see me when I'm older. Now, I

(09:46):
gotta kill money. My girl, look good. I got a
good career. You know what I'm saying. I'm confident, Like,
what can you really tell me about myself? I don't
care what you think. That's what I'm always talk about.
Get my assay. I don't care what you're you gonna
tell me each his own.

Speaker 4 (10:03):
I don't feel being in private place to immature. I'm
just a private nigga.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
How you on the show being interviewed about you and
you're talking about being private game. I answered everything to
the best of my capability right now with your ageever exactly,
we just don't agree. We believe that the more work
you do on yourself, I will never you will be able.

Speaker 4 (10:21):
Okay, see the conversations I will have with you on
the phone whenever, the conversation I will have here.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
That's what That's what it is. You're saying.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
So like me and you, we have a certain thing.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
So like yo, X, Y and Z.

Speaker 4 (10:32):
Everybody don't get that privilege. It ain't really about me
being immature. I'm just real private.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
I'm respect.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
It is what it is like if if you if
you say your son blah blahh you know what, damn Yo,
you're right whatever whatever.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
I have no problem being me, but you know certain
ship I just like not for everybody. It's not even
the orgasm you like, No, you past the orgasm t
I said, I like that. I just talking about the Patreo.

Speaker 5 (10:59):
I'm like.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
He had to he had to make sure to put no. Yeah,
good with that. Non even think about what I was saying.
I thought you asked me a question like titties. Wouldn't
introduce you the titties?

Speaker 4 (11:12):
Who's going first? Which one y'all going first? Who's my
you know what, Let's switch it up to let's switch
it up.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Okay, you got my very love and you got my boy.
That was crazy. That was crazy. I see where you
went with that. I like that.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
I like that, the tank top wearing, uptown barn chain
swinging Dick selling, the cock and sock Ambassador, the BBW Avenger,
Chunky Batman, you got spider Man or Venom, depending on.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Where he's at.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
Peter Parker the most, some people Green Goblin. Let's keeps
going out? Really fat Brandon Roy a K. Greg odin
a K. Grant Hill because at one point in time
his body was intact a colice, because it is indeed

(12:14):
his neck.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
A k A triple as himself triple ass yesterday. How
you feeling. I'm feeling good, man. It's hot outside a
k A.

Speaker 4 (12:26):
Slim Jones, Slim Jones and you got the way you
got the slim Jones wife beat the you watching some
pull ups outside and ship Yes.

Speaker 7 (12:34):
He is somebody gaffled and building.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm feeling did in case you did do test today?

Speaker 2 (12:40):
We did.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
If we put it work for all, put to work
for everybody. I'm chilling. I'm feeling good. It's hot outside, bike. Yeah,
you get over there. You're making amazing accomplishments over there,
and your your regular life be the here that you're
back in the studio. For those of y'all who don't know,
Yesterday is definitely hip hop artist. Hip hop artist. You

(13:07):
know what I'm saying, So go you know, look up,
look them up? Where are you? Onywhere? Everywhere? After the music,
Spotify Yesterday with three essas. Give them a go, give
them a listen, give them a stream or two. You
know what I mean. Leave your house, turning it onto
the crib if you don't want to, if you don't
want to listen to it, just like get a niggas
from streams and just write hover in the comments, volume
off in the comments.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Put a dominant in the comics. Listen right now, go
to every picture Yesterday, got every songs. Put a dominant
the comments from you. Go ahead, give me a favorite.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Introduce your other co hosts please.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Okay to my left, I'm sorry we have salt bay.
Somebody been in the kitchen aka Miss three K. Somebody
was out here running and gunning.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
What is it?

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Don't tell me solid steady state workout. Okay, a K.

Speaker 4 (14:02):
My sweat is a little sweat. You see the working
nigga be puting the ak mi's mom a k A
Bacon Greece ak a Sonny d as. You can see
the d's do be Sonny.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Yes, Wow, okay, what mind my business up? A K
is the real kinky Batman sh.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
A K A Chavon.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
We it's not even quote.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
It's Chavon now a K A Chavon with an S.
Nigga a K Chavon with an S a K A
Courtney Hardashian.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Loune, you're forgetting one uh a K A little fizz
a K.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
A little fist.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Everything I need in my life except girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
We're doing Oh Jesus, the millennial to it's the world
to call your.

Speaker 5 (15:01):
You know, everything's been good.

Speaker 7 (15:02):
Like Loon said, I hit my first three K yesterday,
which I'm very five K. I'm very proud of myself.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
It's a five K.

Speaker 5 (15:09):
You messed me up with that's five K.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
A lot of people wouldn't know, but if you do,
that is like one of the biggest first act.

Speaker 7 (15:21):
Yeah, I got it in forty forty minutes. It would
have been shorter, but I had to do like a
quick warm up and it counted part of it.

Speaker 5 (15:29):
But that's okay.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Summer is here. What I'm feeling, the energy that's outside.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Yeah, Brooklyn has definitely been like on tilt since the
weather's gotten better.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Back Jesus Lord. They there. Yeah, all right, well it
is I'm gonna just introduced like this this being that
you already brought it up so many times, right, it is.

(16:04):
It is Pride Month, right, And I definitely wanted to
do some things, you know, I want to represent and
I'm gonna get into that in the conversation. Might be
a little serious. I don't know. We'll see, we'll see.
But I wanted to give back, you know what I'm saying.
We have so many people in the l g B
t q I A plus community. We call them libiquitous

(16:27):
who libiquitous? It's like basically just well this was worded
out if it was a word toquitous in Miles and
I believe Drizzy and maybe somebody else. I'm sorry if
I got if I'm getting it wrong, but they like

(16:47):
they pen this and they are part of the bbiquity community.
So we've been saying that, right. But I wanted to
give back. I wanted to you know, celebrate them, you know.
And it's just it's crazy because it's like men Health Month.
It's damned mental health. Mental health.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
Gemini season, Oh my god, I love Gemini season.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
Here's my birthday three days.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
There's many but they scrammed so many things into this month.
I feel like we always talk about you know, and
we always have other guests on the show. And I
was like, Yo, let's give this this month to the
bit with the community. If we can do my best
to get as many guests that represent all different letters
or parts and sections of the community. And I got
in contact with Tory here right, and she, you know,

(17:41):
she agreed to come on the show. So Toy, thank you,
Welcome to the show. Is Tory Easton? Am? I right,
Tory Easton? Tell them about yourself, tell them what you do.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
Well, Toy soon. I am was once a porn performer
for many years, a van expiz and all thegether one
winning multiple times, she said, per last count somewhat retired

(18:22):
ish and I have a contract for the studio now
and I'm a stylist for motion picture films.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Then yes, no, I did. I tried to have a
how do I say this? Please give me give me
a little slack, right, because I don't want to it
can be uncomfortable, So I do my best here. I
wanted to have a regular conversation. Obviously you are a
trans woman, right, but I was like, yo, I didn't

(18:51):
want to bring you on here and ask you a
million questions about being trained. And I felt like, that's
like if I went on a It's like if I
went on the white person's show and asked me a
questions about it.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's we all have different views on that.
I am okay with it because I came out very young.
I started when I was twelve, medically thirteen, and so yes,
and so mother instilled a very important thing that still

(19:32):
sticks to me to this day of like, you're going
to be Every interaction you have is going to be
an example, and you are going to be whatever that
person views of everyone. And so I don't mind answering
questions and all of that because I mean, yeah, I

(19:56):
mean it's also people's experience. Oftentimes with their first experience,
the trans person is typically in a sexual and just
a different space, whether it's porn or you know, shameful

(20:17):
or whatever it is that's changed more so today. But
so doesn't bother me to answer these questions whatsoever.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
Well, good I got, I got a lot of them.

Speaker 5 (20:32):
You can send in my way.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
But what's the difference between your existence then when you
were thirteen, and maybe the relationship between the world and
trans people then and now eleven years later, there is.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
A big difference. And I don't know if I should say,
but I think that we've made great strides in many
ways is but the I hate to say movement because
it wasn't necessarily I think of movement as like a

(21:10):
revelation or a revolution and really turning to change the
views as much as when I came out, and at
that time, from my generation of trans people, it was
we just wanted to show that we just existed. We
were just there. We were your friends, we were your neighbors,
we were whatever, and that's what we wanted. We wanted

(21:33):
nothing more than to just be blended in. And that's
kind of shifted, not typically by trans people specifically, there's
other movements that, you know, intermix themselves with it, and

(21:54):
that's where things get murky. And so there is a
difference because I remember, like when I came out, when
I was fresh and like didn't look like what I
did now, people still didn't know because that wasn't trans anything,
was not a part of anyone's oxicon. It was not

(22:17):
something anyone knew about. Now, everyone and their mother and
their cat has an opinion. And I mean that's not
just from you know us, you know, wanting to spread
awareness or whatever it is that you know, political things
were ever made out to be targets and whatever, and

(22:39):
so it's now everyone has an opinion on it and
it's very much a part of the cultural zeitgeist. And
I have a love hate thing with that. Like I
see that it can be good because it on paper,
it's like, oh, there's understanding, people know more. But at

(23:01):
the same time it's kind of a double edged server.
It's like, oh, now people who don't understand it, which
is you know, most if they don't really personally know that,
now that there's an opinion and a conversation had, there's
more room for shame and hatred to come in.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, I agree with you one thousand percent. I feel
like with access, it usually comes like opinion.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, it's not.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Everything is really so accessible, so available. People now have
the opportunity to read and study and stuff like that.
But you know what, even with that, but here's the thing,
I feel like, you don't deserve that. A pain is
something you don't understand absolutely until you can fully sit
here and grasp what it is that the origin of

(23:53):
maybe trans the origin of maybe the labidoquall as you say,
soil you understand the origin of the entirety whatever whatever,
what's the word?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
What is it? But it's aquit close enough to say
like I use and I apply this on like everything.

Speaker 4 (24:22):
You know, a lot of people have opinions on this show,
and I'm like, yo, bro, until you sit in front
of the camera and a mic and you do this
for hours, you know, you can't really talk to me
about how should be conducted. And you know a lot
I think we should put a stop to that. Like
like if I had to sit down with you one
on one, it wouldn't really be more so like of opinions,
I would ask questions. You know, I like to have

(24:43):
a better understand Yo, so why is this like this?
Or how should you react to this saying well, you
know what, I feel like this is dumb. Yeah, I
feel that's where the whole thing is.

Speaker 5 (24:52):
Yeah, that's I mean, And especially it's tilting in the
very wrong way where it's not people who are like, oh,
this is something that's becoming more talked about. Let me go,
as you said, read about it or learn the origin Yeah,
we're in a world of stupidity over simulation, yes, over simulation,

(25:18):
over media consumption. Most people, I would say just about everyone,
whether it's good or bad, falls into a category of
watching media that is only produced by what they want
to be told.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
And so with that.

Speaker 5 (25:37):
They're told a whole different story. And it's weird to think.
And I mean, we're you know, we live in New
York and it's realize just how different and behind the
rest of the country and the world is because while

(25:59):
we have all those same media sources, we're still here.

Speaker 1 (26:05):
And it's.

Speaker 5 (26:08):
It has process, it has the cons and you know,
you kind of just have to live with it. And yeah,
it's kind of like a transition period. And sometimes it's
like two steps forward, one step back. Sometimes like one
step forward, four steps back.

Speaker 7 (26:22):
But yeah, I think you're talking about living in your
own eco chambers, like echo chambers.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
Like that's what it is like in New York City.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
We have our own echo chambers, like we understand or
we can be more a little bit more empathetic for
other people's situations. But like if you go outside that
it ain't like that.

Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah, we're just being exposed to a lot of everything yeah, really, I.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
Think it's hard. It's harder now. It's again, like you said,
there's a positive and negative side to it. Social media
and all of these shows, the podcast era, the talk
show error, the fact that there aren't even that many sitcoms,
like it's all everybody's talking. Everybody's doing all this talking there, right,
But the loudest people are the negative. The loudest people

(27:12):
are the negative, and those are mostly the ones who
are following what's popular well.

Speaker 5 (27:18):
And the ones that are platformed the most unfortunately, right.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
They have to make just like you said with the
girl Bonnie, they got to get that clip out exactly,
and that's the thing is.

Speaker 5 (27:28):
And then it's like I see girls you know in
my community who go out and they you know, lack
of morals or however you want to say it, that's
how I would say it. And they'll go out and
say things that do make a joke out of us
and play into it. And I can understand, at the

(27:49):
end of the day, you're doing it to gain something,
and whether it's that they don't have an understanding of
the damage that that can cause and feed into all
of the hate nastiness, and so it's I can understand,

(28:13):
but it's at the same time it's hard to you know,
be okay with.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Now if you I know, you might have something else
to say. But speaking of what you just said just now,
I do want to speak on the relationship between trans
women and SIS hitman, yes right, which I haven't what
do you what do you where? Where do you stand
with that? Before I get into this, So.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
As someone who came out very young and has lived
my life before porn, and that transit is always a
second nature thing, meaning like you know, a lot of
people have that idea of like a trends moment. It's like,
I mean, yes, just a woman, but a different kind
of woman. I lived my life because I was more

(29:02):
of the older school, wanting to be accepted or not
accepted as much as recognized as in the SIS world
and viewed in that way. So as a woman and
so yes, yeah, and so the majority of the men

(29:25):
I have dated and or just been with straight they
would not want to be with men, to have no
desire to be with men, and I the simplest way
I could say is that I think that sexuality is
not so gender based as much as it is just

(29:48):
maybe masculine versus feminine, and it's of course a spectrum,
and you know some people are just on one very
end and someone's two steps and much following.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
But it's just.

Speaker 5 (30:07):
It's and I'm going to put a number on it.
I mean, I've had, you know, a lot of people
in the case study on this one, about eighty plus
percent of straight men are would have sex with the

(30:29):
transmit at least. And now the numbers change when it
comes to a wood fuck one privately knowing that it
would be kept a secret, And the numbers are different
when it comes to someone who can you know, take
their dick out from in between their legs and you know,
treat them as human and you know that's a different Well,
we're number than eighty plus percent, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
So when you say would have sex with a trans women,
are you saying after surgery before surgery.

Speaker 5 (30:59):
Either? But before is what I'm before speak on, Yeah,
because I mean from my experience and I mean all
people I know and have witnessed for many of years,
it's not. And I think people get an idea from porn.
I think that's probably also where it comes from, or

(31:20):
maybe it's just assumptions where it's I understand why they
would think it's almost like gay sex, just with someone
who looks or has passive surgery or whatever.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
But it's so not.

Speaker 5 (31:38):
Typically I mean, it's like for me specifically, it was
always with people who I was their first time, which
was very common. It was always just.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Something that's a little racy, specifically racy. I would assume,
and this is an assumption that you deal with white
men more in your life.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
I would say more, but not exclusively. But that is
because piggybacking off of that, I very well there. I
have dated two different black men, and I know the
societal pressure there is to have that hyper masculine thing,

(32:25):
and it is even harder for them exactly. I mean,
if it's already a challenge for everyone else, there's that
extra you know, they man and they can't fall short
in that way exactly. And so yeah, and it's sometimes
I don't at all. It's just but when I also

(32:47):
don't really go out and date and meet men all
that much.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
But it's just a good thing.

Speaker 5 (32:52):
Is all based off of because at this point in
my life, it's I'm not here to get validation from
someone telling me I'm, you know, womanly enough for them.
I am and myself, and I'm a woman on my
own right, and that is where I am, and a

(33:14):
lot of girls you know, start about that way. Yeah,
and that's very common. And if I'm more than okay
with you know, guiding someone and you know, because it's
only natural to need help and to have moments of
a weakness of like, okay, this is a fairier. But

(33:37):
I can see clearly that it's a farrier you're willing
to work on and communicate about. It's totally different.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, my thing is that I feel like when you
talk about societal pressure, right, first off, you said eighty
percent of men, right, I'm not going to challenge that.
What I will say is that I think that when
you don't have that type of societal pressure, you're willing
to cross those barriers way more when you're not worried

(34:08):
about being ostra community where it's cool, like when you
can say, hey, you know, blow me something cock or whatever.
It's gonna point at me when you say that should
be talking about when it's like those type of things
like you don't care like respectful with respect to race,
because I don't even trying to offend nobody like white
dudes at my job, I'd be like, look at picture
of my wife and she'd be like naked, and be like, yo,

(34:28):
it's your wife, what you doing? Whereas I wouldn't do
that around my God, we so much more private. We're
so much more you know, scared of certain shit. And
so I can't even really speak to that eighty percent
because that's not the world I live in. Our world
is completely different.

Speaker 5 (34:44):
That's the thing with the eighty percent. As typically when
I say that number, and I actually is think that
it's higher than that. But when I say that number,
chip people who maybe are just now exceptioning it in
themselves and they other just don't believe it.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
They're just like shocked.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
And it's like, but here's the thing. If eighty percent
of people are that way, but they're all ashamed of
it because they can't open up to you know, Chad,
their friend, because Chad's also doing it, but he's projecting
his own ship onto you. And it's just this constant
cycle of they're all fucking lying to each other, right,

(35:27):
They're all, what's my brothers going to think? Your bro
is also trying to stick a stick of me?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (35:34):
I mean I have like I have a solid examples, but.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
I didn't see that.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
I could literally see that. I mean I did. I
went out with one This is many years ago, but
I went out with one man who you know, was
working on it and seemed good. And then it was
just like he just push it out and it was
just like I can't, like, I'm just I can't get
past the point of like the real life putting me
in the real life.

Speaker 6 (36:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
And at that point, I was less grown, and I
was like, you know what I mean, I feel like
I'm making a statement big, a little petty perhaps, And
I pulled up my phone and I clicked on our
mutual followers and his and in almost entire friend group

(36:23):
followed me.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
And you saw that.

Speaker 5 (36:24):
And he's like, oh, so you've been at the same
like parties or something. And I said, no, I'm going
to hand you my phone and you can look at
our messages or any interaction that's had been had. And
he looked and I assume because I was. I was,
I was a less grown person and I was what

(36:45):
he said to me hurt, and so I wanted to
to say, this is what's actually happening in the world. Yea,
And I needed that validation at the moment. Now, I
don't give a fine fuck. Yeah, if you you know
that's the reality you want to live in, I can
give you some tellor advice, but I'm going to leave
that situation as fast as possible because I'm better than that.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
What about Okay, So recently there was a I'm sorry, guys,
do y'all want it? Did y'all want to say anything? No?

Speaker 3 (37:15):
No, I don't have anything to say.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I'm just saying I want to ask you, guys a
question before you change Are you going to change it?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Are you gonna about what you just said that?

Speaker 4 (37:27):
I made a joke in the Patreon episode and I
was like, I had a lesbian tell me that she
wouldn't fuck with a bisexual chick because she don't want
somebody that's not fully committed to what it is that
she's on. Right, But then I pose a question, but
don't you think women should always have the option to
change their mind?

Speaker 1 (37:47):
And she was like, yeah, they should.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
You know you're right, So I propose. What I just
want to propose to you, guys, is when you say,
let's that's a gentleman that we were talking about, right,
not I don't know anything.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
About him or the background you guys situation.

Speaker 4 (38:00):
Well, let's say I suppose like maybe he was intrigued, right,
but maybe gave it a shot and then realized, you
know what, maybe it's not for me. Oh, I mean
there have that space in that community to do that,
like space of like maybe changing their minds.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
You know what is that really for me? Like that anymore?

Speaker 5 (38:20):
Get to an extent, but question, I mean, as it
really is with anything. I mean, you could be hooking
up with some random woman who is just not particularly
your physical type to the point where you're just like,
I give it a shot.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Whatever.

Speaker 5 (38:36):
And I can say from my experience, typically the men
who you know, first time and whatever, it was much
more common to see that it was if they decided
to pull out. It was whether they could say it

(38:57):
in words or it's just it's been long enough. I
know when it one way or the other, and it's
you know, and it's just like, oh, I gave it
a shot, like whatever. Because those people who are just
like I found you attractive wanted to try it. Those
people will say it because they're not insecure about it.
Where it comes to people who were get into their

(39:18):
own head and in secure about the whole thing, and
you can tell by the reaction even if they can't
say it in words, and so that's where the difference
come in. But there is space to just be like, oh, yeah,
I just I didn't I wasn't into that and or
just that person in particular, because I went out with

(39:38):
one man, for an example, who menages like ten plus
years ago at a club and they went on one
day and he was just like so not attracted to
her for other reasons and like never even revisited the
thought again. And then we had met met and it

(40:02):
was just fabulous when we went out for a few
months and I dumped him, but but it was he
had he had something to me. He was like, after
with that experience, I assumed that I just really didn't
like trans women and that it was just like something
I wanted to try out, And he's admittaged said he

(40:24):
was just oh no, it was just that I wasn't
attracted to that person, and which kind of circles back
into what I was saying about. What my mother always
said is like, well, with any of minority group, people
are going to look and experience at an experience they
had with one and then lumped them all together.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Ye, And.

Speaker 5 (40:46):
I mean that's just like a common thread and something
I still tell this day because it's like I'll meet
people and now that I'm not in a sex work
space for the most part, and you know, I clear
obviously would talk about my that whole thing in that space.
But people find out things, they hear things. It's a

(41:08):
certain way people look into things, and.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Yeah, it's.

Speaker 5 (41:17):
Just different territory and we're in such like middle ground times.
I think it's the best way I can put it,
where it's like people are kind of moving forward but
then kind of moving back because now all of their
friends know that it existed. Because it was like I
speak of like twenty fifteen, you said, if I walked

(41:40):
up to someone and said, oh, I'm trans like what,
like you're hot, and like, I mean not how it's works,
because it was just like at that point it was like, yeah, it.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Was like two thousand and eight and out of my rod,
like ay, well we try to transfer.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
To any.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
It was just people didn't know, so there wasn't that
preconceived notion of oh, I mean I've just had so
many conversations meant against my will where it was like, oh,
I just can't because you know what people are going
to think whenever and whatever, and I'm like, I can't
do anything about that because and I get a little harsh,
probably for my own personal reasons on that, where it's

(42:26):
like I I find you to be less of then,
and I find it that's a little harsh kind of
meant it, But I find it a very childlike sheep
high school mentality, and I wouldn't find that attractive. And
any man about any topic right that they can't hold

(42:48):
their own and can't say or have really just any
educated conscidence to say, oh my god, what is Chad
who works nine to five doing finance? And I don't know, yeah,
Chad Anderson from Hoboken, or I don't know someone very

(43:12):
very specific.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
I know the type that she's talking about because I work.

Speaker 5 (43:18):
But it's just when someone is, you know, a grown
man and is so caught up and that of what
is someone going to think of me? It's not even
just like I'm now leaving this because I'm not going
to work on that with YouTube extent. It's also just
like that's just a highly unattractive quality. Even if it

(43:40):
wasn't about who I am right, I agree.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Cannot change directions a little bit. Right Now, you got
trans people, specifically trans women way more than trans man,
I believe, gets so much more hate, so much more attention,
negative attention. I recently saw a story going around in

(44:12):
the hip hop community about a popular rapper that specifically
he allegedly had DM or text or had some type
of relationships, some type of communications where he was interested
in a trans woman. Right, yes, and it got exposed
by the transform It got exposed. She then and to

(44:33):
be honest me personally, this is just autho record, This
is just my opinion, and this is no judgment whatsoever.
I thought I thought he actually was interested in the girl.
I thought he faced so much backlash that he was like, YO,
take that back. I think that's what I think. This is.
My opinion is not educated.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
It's just me from an educated experience. And I of
course I would never say names or anything, but I
have had had experiences with people who have had allegations
and adamantly denied them.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
I think he was interested too. I'm actually gonna agree
with you.

Speaker 5 (45:16):
I would say that I don't not to name names,
and I don't know specifically what you're talking about. But
from my experiences with and very well intwined with the Hollywood,
and especially when you're talking about rappers and the hip
hop communities, there is so much more shame in it.

(45:42):
If there's rumors out there, they're fucking true. I'm sorry,
but it's just and it's not a bad thing, and
I hate that it has to be like and I
hope one day that it's realistic that we move past that.
No no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 7 (46:00):
The woman she said on her page that she's a
trans woman, she's a trans woman.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
She's not.

Speaker 7 (46:10):
She's not a gay guy she's trans.

Speaker 5 (46:11):
No, but not even just that one. There's I mean,
been so manny and a couple of that might have
had my own experiences, and so that's why to say and.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
It's messibly true. Yeah, but we talk about the insecurities, right.
This video wound up coming up afterwards.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
I shouldn't readers.

Speaker 4 (46:43):
I'm coming on TikTok to trust the boss Man situation.

Speaker 8 (46:46):
Boss Mandy never messaged me. It was a I it
was edited, it was photoshopped. I did everything good with
the video, com texting me because my homegirl, it was
my homegirls. She messaged the real female. She's a popular
influencer that I hang out with. So I made it
seem like he messaged me, but he never really messaged me,

(47:07):
and I made a fake bread of me texting myself back.
I know it sounds crazy, and I just did all
this stuff on the internet for attention, but e Bench
was bored and I thought it was funny.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
But now I know it's not fundy because I'm.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Really fucking with this man's going to grat his money.
I'm sorry, guys, y'all can bash me, y'all can hate me.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
I really don't give a fuck.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
So exactly, I have a very strong opinion about that
because as someone who has been intermixed with people with
power and who I know the game of if you
speak out about this, not even just with celebrities, this
is transmits specifically are at an extra threat of violence.

(47:55):
And so whether it was that you better backtrack or
you will be harmed, and I can't. I mean, I've
just I've seen it with other girls in very other
such different situations. I can't speak about that one. And
or I saw a lot of other girls who got

(48:15):
a check. Yeah, and I signed some papers and they
agreed to go and say these things. And I mean
I saw one who did do it with the other
girls and whatever, and so that's my thought. I think

(48:37):
she got paid. I think she got paid, or she
got threatened and or she was in I mean, at
the end of the day, she's in a vulnerable state
to a man with money power who anything. And I
hope that she got paid. That he was the nicest way.
But I know many of girls and me include who

(49:00):
have been had their lives threatened to say, if just
if you ever dared to share anything about this or
you know, make this public, I will have you taken
care of. So that's very legitimate.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
Is there.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Is there a legitimate concern from heterosexual sis head men
that are in the closet but do have these desires
or experiences or whatever that they can be exposed. And
why would a trans person or anybody, because I don't
even know, why would they said he was a gay guy,

(49:50):
not a trans woman. Let's knows everything. So I believe
her more than I believe what I've seen in my
own eyes. So maybe it was a gay guy, I believe.

Speaker 7 (49:56):
No, I think he said he was trans. I was
going through his page her page. Sorry, excuse me, her page.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
And I think.

Speaker 5 (50:07):
Many of these situations when one comes out, So I'll
circle back to that. So when one comes out, typically
the flood gates kind of open, and then a lot
of people are getting honest and you know, doggy piling almost.
But then to circle back as to why someone would
name someone.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
And.

Speaker 5 (50:29):
It's, well, that's the thing is that I've had my
life threatened and put in danger when I never threatened anything.
They just do that, and it's less common. Times changed,

(50:50):
And you know, I also came from a very privileged
setting later on where I they knew I wasn't like yeah,
So there's that, but there are I will say in

(51:13):
the trans community especially, there is a unfortunate, unnecessary need
for validation because the world spends your whole life in
validating you, and that understandably causes a lot of personal

(51:35):
trials and tribulations with someone and I see it a
lot with transfomen and that often manifests. I mean, I
think almost everyone that I've known, every transperson I've known,
has had that phase where they got so much validation
from being validated by a man, because that was maybe

(51:58):
the first feeling of being truly like a woman or
like that they were attractive enough and whatever. And you know,
unfortunately a lot of them don't go loud of that,
and so I think that's kind of typically a big
reason why they would go and out it, because they
want the validation from the public, because at the end

(52:19):
of the days, they're also just an insecure person who
wants to prove to the world that they are but
attractive and they are lovable and that they are wanted.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Doesn't this put more trans women in dangerous.

Speaker 5 (52:31):
Absolutely it does, But that's not what they're thinking at
the time. But they're thinking at the time is how
that's not anything else crossing their mind? Is the damage
that's being caused. They're thinking for their own self of
how to make them feel better in a moment. As
many do, you know, in many different you know, circumstances

(52:56):
and trans things, we all do things sometimes.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
That are not the best thing.

Speaker 5 (53:03):
You know, you don't look at it from an outside perspective.
How is this going to damage others or damage the
way people view a certain community? And you do it
solely based out of trauma and a defense mechanism or
whatever it be. But it is very true that it

(53:24):
is harmful, but it's also it's hard to really, you know,
roast them on the fire for it, because it's also
these men are like treating them like shit, treated me
like shit, like I mean, just like disposable garbage.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
And so it was.

Speaker 5 (53:49):
The amount of times I wanted to because it was
just how dare you.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Leave me feel like? Right?

Speaker 7 (53:58):
Made me feel less than human?

Speaker 5 (54:00):
And I mean my younger years when that was the norm,
and because I allowed it. Yeah, and so it's like
now it's different when those little moments slip in because
now I'm like, that's not tolerable and acceptable. But you
spend that long, all those years, and a lot of

(54:21):
girls don't grow out of it because they just don't
have that support system and they're not in a privileged
place where they get to go and be in society
and treated normally, and it's just a react and do
irrational things.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
Yeah, So yes, this is real sticky, because very sticky.
You know me, I'm gonna desail what the fuck are
you feeling?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
At one point?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
At a point, I feel like, which is what you
guys are saying is one hundred percent correct. There's a
possibility that this is what you think it is, like
maybe it was true and she got she got paid off,
or she got threatened. Those things can be true. But
I also I never underestimate the ability for a person,
not just a trans woman, trans man, or male or female.

(55:15):
I never underestimate the ability for some people to just
not be nice people, you know, and to be honest,
I don't really know too much. I don't really have
a specific or I think it's true. I don't fucking know,
you know. But what I will say is, you know,
can there are times outside where some people just aren't
nice people, and some things like this do happen and

(55:35):
are real, you know. And just today I was on
fucking threads and it was a post and it said
there was a transgender woman talking about she had a
date with Michael B.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Jordan.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
And the thing about it is it actually did happen,
but it wasn't a date. There was like a group
of them and they had a discussion about some shit.
But like you're just the headline alone a fuck around,
like you know, just flushing Mighty's wholes life down the toilet.
So I mean, honest, you don't really know what to feel,
you know, I don't know if it was really.

Speaker 5 (56:01):
Not, which is its normal, and that's why it gets
so difficult, is because it's not just a you know,
one done like easy, clear cut thing.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
It is.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Yeah, there are people out there who will make ship up,
but it's not exactly just like I mean for you know,
momentary cloud or whatever. And I will say that I
maybe I give too much sympathy because my own experience
where it's like most trans women, even you know, the

(56:39):
most broken of us all are they still understand that
putting themselves out there in that way, we all still
had that understanding of danger because it was never not
made clearer. And so that's why I'm sure there are

(57:01):
some more instances of it, but that's everything I've seen.
I don't think that's I've never seen once where it
was like actually, oh no, that was just like all
a lie, all inside information.

Speaker 7 (57:14):
I get like it was just I agree. I think
there's more instances of what you're talking about, friend, you're
getting a big paycheck, things, very less common for them
to just be straight up just lying about it or
just trying to get temporary cloud. I think there's less
more of that, but more of what you're saying, Oh
for sure, I.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Don't think much cloud comes from it.

Speaker 9 (57:31):
I feel like when people say that, it's like how
much you know, how much cloud is really coming from
you know what I'm saying. So I feel like, you know,
you got to think of it in that type of
way to like, you know, what is this person really
gaining by doing this?

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Not much, I mean, but you know, there's always a
small chance and small chance. But especially in like the
you know, influencer world where you'all today, where people will
do and do ridiculous things and say ridiculous things. It's
it's a little different when you're speaking of people trans

(58:04):
women who would you know have very different you know,
survival instinct and seldom them typically.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
Well it's a dopamine rush. At this point, we're all
living off a dopamine rushes. Even it's a small shot.
And to yesterday, yesterday in responsible what you said, when
you got somebody that's famous, or if like say Tory
gorgeous women gorgeous, she's getting accepted everywhere she goes. Yeah,

(58:37):
a lot of people in the queer community that through
whatever trauma they've been in or whatever, they go and
they always kind of look like the outcast for whatever
reason however they present, whatever it is, whatever it is,
I can't you know, they aren't going to get that
same type of acceptance, and so they're living with this
weight every day of not feeling that they're not getting

(59:01):
those dopamine Russians, you know, And so to out somebody
like yeah he wanted me, or like yeah, your friend
was doing this, or this guy, you know, he's doing this,
that gives them, even if it's a false sense of presence,
of normalcy of like yo, I'm desired, even if it's
a false sense and it's a temporary one. We don't know.

(59:22):
A lot of us are privileged. Most of us are
here good looking or you know, you could dress you know, wow, wow,
we can. We all get our share of, you know,
public validation of you know, we're good, we're good. But
there's a lot of people out there that don't get

(59:42):
that and are very troubled. You know, I've noticed this,
and I hope I'm not going to offend anybody. A
lot of the people in the king community, we have
an extensive set of trauma that we've gone through and
we're dealing with it.

Speaker 7 (59:57):
We're dealing with it and think that's offensive I think
everybody has a has has trauma. Okay, so everybody has trauma,
Like that's like point blame everybody has.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
It's a different yeah, com community we have I've noticed
and this is just for me. It's just a lot.
There's a lot that people have been dealing with in
life and they express it how they express it, and
it is what it is. I'm happy here, but yeah,
so yeah, I don't I don't want to be too
long winded. I do have one more question than I'm sorry.

(01:00:30):
I know this portion of the show is dark and
it's heavy, and you know there's a lot going on here,
but I do I wanted to have give you this
moment and and take this moment while I have you
here to ask you another question, which is, although we've
been largely speaking about the trans women's relationship with since
head men, what is your experience with the trend because

(01:00:50):
I feel like you guys are now at war with
since head women as well. So what is.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
So much more prevalent in recent years. And it's a
mix of political and media things, you know, pitting us
against each other and and so that's where most of
it comes from. Is they just selling to people that

(01:01:22):
we are a threat. And then unfortunately there is this
you know, tiny percentage of us, which, mind you, is
also a tiny percentage of the population, mind you. So
it's but that tiny percentage who goes and you know,
says ridiculous things and for you know, their five little

(01:01:44):
minutes and whatever, and or things are clipped and edited
in a certain way that are totally out of context.
And articles, i mean on many news outlets that are
just one hundred percent false if you go and actually
read from other sources, you know, non political sources, what

(01:02:07):
actually happened. And it's crazy what is allowed to be
reported as news.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
When it's all just and it'd be knowingly false.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
Yeah, and it's some outlets have admitted in court that, oh,
there's no way that anyone would believe that what we're
saying is true because it's so ridiculous to get out
of a lawsuit, and they won because of that, and
yet they still walk around and say that they're the
most truthful. Never cover them all and not just them,

(01:02:45):
all of them. They all have their bias, and I
mean that's a journalism and the media today is to
make it as shocking as possible, whether it's good or
bad is to get a reaction, because we in a
society of twenty four to seven news, and in order
to make that it's you're also creating a sense of

(01:03:09):
fear all the time, where you're over dramatizing everything or
someone has to be the enemy. There has always been
really an enemy, just everyone dot meet piled on typically
and changes throughout the years, and it's just that's how

(01:03:32):
it goes, unfortunately, and it's you just have to have
an understanding of news articles and these little captions. There
are things you scroll by that have these very bold
claims as the title. It is meant to grab your attention.
If you scroll down you read this absurd title about

(01:03:57):
you know, transperson to X, Y and Z. I challenge
you to find the name, open it just enough to
find the name and go look at it on a
different source, or to go look at the legal, actual
legal document of whatever it may be, if that's the case,
and because once you see it once at least you

(01:04:23):
it really does dawn on you just how much our
media and the news and what we're fed is allowed
to just down here makeup whatever they want.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
I've heard this is the last question I've asked before
we actually get back to having some fun, right, but
I do I want to right, and then we're almost
out of here anyway, Courtney's fading lose is like, bro,
I'm hot. I'm sure Yesterday wants to put your shirt
back on. There are trigger words that have been going around.

(01:05:04):
One of them is birthing individual that has been.

Speaker 7 (01:05:08):
And then also no period women.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Right, the idea what well? Yeah, well we're here, and
obviously Torri has a huge audience, so I don't want
you to feel like you have no.

Speaker 5 (01:05:23):
Right exactly how I feel about those.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
Things those give me one second before you finish. And
I feel like women feel like their presence are since
had women, I feel like their presence of being a
race with the trans women saying I am a woman
just like you are a woman.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
With all of these new things that are coming out,
and it's somewhat we feel like this bad they're making
you guys argue with each other exactly how do you
feel about those terms?

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
And so with that, I will say, like, when it
comes to those terms, which are I mean, it's just stupid.
But it circles back to a political thing where you
when you hear people using those terms. Where are you
hearing it? Are you hearing me say it? Are you

(01:06:16):
hearing just your average day trans person if you're overhearing
them having a conversation say it. No, you're hearing a
politician say it, whether they're on their site or not,
because at the end of the day, it's politics and
it is they're just trying to get votes or what

(01:06:36):
have you, and so they're it's a lot of people
speaking on our behalf, which is that has always annoyed me.
And I mean, how often do I open my phone
and I see videos of politicians they're arguing about trans things,

(01:07:00):
and I'm looking at to assist people regardless of their gender,
scream at each other about it, And I'm like, and
maybe one of them is so for us, whether it's
for their platform or not. And like, what I wouldn't
give to just like have a genie in the bottle
to rub and like have one pop up and be like, Okay,

(01:07:21):
let's have someone who actually is a part of this
join this conversation. Because neither of you know shit, and
you're here and you're speaking to the camera, and so
when we hear the phrases like period having individuals. It's
maybe some people who consider themselves strands or non binary,

(01:07:47):
which is a whole different to anyways, but it's a
whole lot of politicians and people in the public eye

(01:08:07):
who were trying to, i don't know, play too nice
to one side or they're trying to say it to
piss off the other side, because that, again is going
to end with clicks, and then that has the repercussion
in the real world where you know, people see it

(01:08:30):
and they don't realize it for what it is is
it's just all our country specifically has always thrived off
of keeping us fighting each other, regardless of what it was,
whether it was raised gender, well, sexuality, anything, because as

(01:08:53):
long as you're fighting each other, you're not fighting them. Yeah,
and so it's just one of the many things that
they do. And so they go out there and they
say stupid shit like that. I don't know a single
one of my actual trans friends who have ever have
i mean had the words come out of their mouths
like period having person like it's just ridiculous. I mean,

(01:09:20):
I'll say, like cis women and stuff. But that's all
that's been medical journal medical journals since the forties. Yeah,
before then actually really yes.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
It was.

Speaker 5 (01:09:33):
Well documented in the very early nineteen hundreds and allegedly
supposedly before then, but there was a lot of instances
of burning the books and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
And so.

Speaker 5 (01:09:49):
It's just don't believe all this shit. We're not coming
for you, like I mean, really, that's the thing is,
and it's that it circles back to not having true
experience with just trans people, or at this point a
lot of people probably do, but they just don't know

(01:10:10):
because I'm not walking I'm not getting on the L
train screaming, I have an dick like like, I'm just
I'm you know, I'm getting on and living my life
and doing my thing. If you talk me, that's your thing.

Speaker 10 (01:10:21):
Somebody on the L train, somebody the trains, probably not
maybe they maybe the A C A couple of past
Central more so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
But let's first of all, thank you so much for
giving us that time and and just being as candid
about this. I know it probably could be uncomfortable. You
don't seem to give a fun but it's definitely uncomortable
for me too. Kind of put you on a spot

(01:10:54):
with with those type of things. Just feel comfortable, but it's.

Speaker 5 (01:10:57):
I think it's conversations that need to be had by
people who have I don't know, their head on their shoulders,
are not trying to I mean I probably just didn't
give a single you know, viral clips there because.

Speaker 1 (01:11:16):
Sorry about it. No.

Speaker 7 (01:11:18):
And that's the thing, like I tell how this, like,
we're not we don't look for virals.

Speaker 5 (01:11:22):
We don't know you don't look for viral clips.

Speaker 7 (01:11:27):
Yeah, do they give us things, yeah, absolutely, but we're
not fishing for especially we're having like a meaningful and
deep conversation things that we need to be having more
conversations about and educating people about what's actually out there.

Speaker 5 (01:11:37):
No, not you guys are It's like I know you yeah,
when you see those little you know and clips on like,
oh my.

Speaker 1 (01:11:44):
God you yesterday.

Speaker 9 (01:11:48):
Oh no, I was just going to say that. I
think the audience needs to see these conversations happen. They
need to see these people having these conversations and you know,
getting to see and hear it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
I think it's even more important sometimes.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
And it's it's hard to find it because it's not
getting that you know, virality that the absurd comments get right,
it's not catching your attention, not everyone's you know, doom
scrolling and drinking. You know, they stop, and I love
to sit and listen to an intellectual conversation like no,
I want to listen to the frankl eating chicken salad,

(01:12:22):
and then I want to have someone say something absurd
like oftentimes and so you know, it's it's a process.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Well, this show has gone on very long, right, and
thank you so much. I'm glad we've got a lot
out the way. I have two things left to ask
before we get out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Hard Mamma bad, she.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
Said, which one is it? I'm going to ask you
two questions right now a moment, right, give me a
couple of the heart things people like in the bedroom,

(01:13:29):
things that make you hard or wet or excited, things
that you like. You know what I'm saying. Give me
give me an example, So.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
Mind saying I mentioned it briefly earlier. I wouldn't say
full saphos sexual, but I whether it's because I did
born for so long mhm. If I can sit the
best as I've ever had, as especially as of recently,
is someone that I didn't feel as if was you know,

(01:14:00):
turning on this game of like you know, being overly
sexual and like trying to lure me in with whatever
sexual tactics. But someone I got to feel like I
got to know an experience, and then from that comfortability,

(01:14:22):
I mean, it's just then I became so attracted to
them sexually.

Speaker 7 (01:14:29):
And usually, like when you're very comfortable with someone, the
sex is usually.

Speaker 5 (01:14:35):
Works because it's I mean, for me, my biggest turn
off is I maybe go on a date with someone,
I'm talking to someone or whatever, and it's immediately like
I can tell that they're leaning towards sexual things and
I shut it down, but I also give it a chance.

(01:14:56):
But then immediately my mind, I'm immediately like, Okay, they
just know now that they have to reserve themselves and
everything else is just leading out to tell I want
to feel it. Yeah, but that's my biggest turn on really,

(01:15:18):
and then so much for by so much. I mean
it doesn't have to, you know, be that record breaking
six eight hours, but I mean, non sexual touch does
a whole lot of sexual things after enough time for
me personally, and it's I agree, yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
The soft things people don't like in the bedroom, things
that make you soft.

Speaker 5 (01:15:54):
Hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
That plan has been it.

Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
Really has been.

Speaker 5 (01:15:58):
Honestly, it's calming, non sexual.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Squirrel.

Speaker 5 (01:16:18):
It bring sweet nothings into my ear. Biggest turn offs, god,
there's so many. What gives you The biggest biggest ick
is if I I mean something that will literally make
my skin crawl, like I'm on like a first date

(01:16:39):
still in public, an't you like? And I get the
very clear sense of, oh, we had like our little
quick like small talk, and now it's quickly turned into
like you know, like for one in public for two.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
And public issing.

Speaker 5 (01:16:58):
Oh you can guess me. It's like it's there's a
certain degree of it all and it doesn't come from
a place of like, oh, I'm just so into you,
and it's more just like, oh, this is my like,
I'm gonna thing I've dreamt of. Don't make me feel
like you've imagined this for however long like and I've

(01:17:23):
you know, I've went out with a couple of men
who refrained from telling me that they were familiar with
every square inch of my body prior because of my work,
and some who actually adamantly denied that they had never
seen it. And I don't care if they had seen it,

(01:17:46):
because I mean natural that you would know that and
go look but ones who were I mean truly fans
and then lied about it and it was like this,
I mean it doesn't long to catch on to it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
That would give me the egg.

Speaker 5 (01:18:02):
No, I mean it's so obvious within ten twenty minutes,
something slipping out or the way they look.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Like you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:11):
Do you know that's funny. That is so funny you
say that because I do have like a white birthmark
on my back and I was wearing like I was
wearing like a cropped ish top, but I was very
a coat. This happened very recently, like this last winter,
and I'm sitting down with this guy at mister Capri

(01:18:32):
and he had made a comment about my birthmark, and
I was like, how do you know about that? Excuse me? Yeah,
well he has something about my freckles and then birthmark,
like get in a complimentary way, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Was like, hold on a second, freckles, I have freckles. Yeah,
I'm wearing a coat and I'm sitting against a chair,
and I mean I just went quiet and I looked
at him just.

Speaker 5 (01:19:03):
And he realized I just heard it for a moment and.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
I didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:19:14):
I was really drunk actually at that point and after
that I got really bugged drunk. I called the waitress
Robert immediately I said an afrol and a martini stat
and then I'm running out of here. Yeah, but it's, yeah,
the whole lying of it all. I mean, if you're
well familiar with my work and I still enjoy talking

(01:19:36):
to you and you just say, oh, no, I'm familiar
with yourself, I'm not going to write you off, you know. Yeah,
it's the lying of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
When people try to tell to you but they know
that you're from Yeah, No, it doesn't turn you off.

Speaker 7 (01:19:54):
It turns me off when they know that I'm on
this show and they pretend that they don't know. They
don't know, And so when something it's just when a
click comes out right and they're like, oh, I didn't
you knew what.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
I was on?

Speaker 3 (01:20:09):
You know what show I'm on?

Speaker 11 (01:20:11):
Like that's only stupid, Like you know you hate when women, Yeah,
why because they alreadys have this They go right for
your nipples, even from like.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Before the show. Like sometimes people will like have an
idea of who I was and the show now just
amplified it even more so. But the show now, so
before they would have an idea of who I was,
but not what I'm about. But the show now gives
people the idea that they know what I'm about. So
when they sometimes talk to me or if they try
to whatever approach me, they kind of have like preconceived

(01:20:45):
notions of me instead of like organically getting to know
me asks me.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
I actually hate when people know yeah, It's like they
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:20:52):
It's like imagine, imagine somebody imagine you think a girl
taking time to get to know the Oh shit, this
nigga like Strawberry Baite, when in reality she ain't smelling.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
She just knew because to talk about it, it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:21:07):
It's your genitals that they've seen.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
I really cared about that either, especially if they came
looking for them. Is that offensive to people?

Speaker 4 (01:21:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Not really.

Speaker 9 (01:21:25):
I feel like, I mean, it's it's different now because
before I, before I got here, most people just knew
me for music. That's what I did for ten years
before I got here. So it's it's like a different
type of thing. So I feel like now when people
know that I'm wanted her to get to realize, it's like,
you know, the the BBW thing is apparent, so people

(01:21:47):
always go to that, and you know, I feel like
if you've heard me and like the other stuff, I've
never spoken about anything sexual, anything private in my life.
I've never spoken about it outside of music. So all
of this is like new information to be even people.

Speaker 1 (01:22:00):
That know me forever. I ain't gonna lie. The only
thing I don't like about it personally is when people
think I'm just all about sex like I have this
is my show, this is this is one showing and

(01:22:22):
it's funny. I was out with Nay and we seen
one of our friends and she posted us on her
story and I spoke to her the other day and
she was like, Yo, my man went crazy, like he
was like did you leave with them? Like where did
you go? After thinking that we were just trying to

(01:22:42):
have to look for three and I know the nigga,
So I'm like, you really think that I would like
take your check home like you. I know that's crazy
because I think that they think I'm so over sexual,
because because I talked about like I.

Speaker 5 (01:23:02):
Need to have every woman ye hyper sexual.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Hyper sexual, Like yo, we talked this is a show.
That is what we talked about on the show. The
whole nother thing I still have my old personality. I'm
still the same guy, you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:23:15):
They just put you in a box do the same
thing porn. They just put you in this box of like, oh,
you're just like, yeah, craving all thousand.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Guys, how many. Thank you so much Tory for coming
on the show. Thank you so much. Please tell them
where to find you.

Speaker 5 (01:23:36):
So all of my socials are the Tory Eastern. I
believe my website is just w W W Tories dot com,
Toy Eastern t O R I E. A. S. Taling
dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Thank you so so so so much for being here. Guys.
We are getting the hell out of here. Yeah, it's
been a hopefully you guys enjoyed show. You like laughs,
like the serious companies. I've even got shows to say it. God,
damn it. It's the fucking show. This show, the show.

Speaker 5 (01:24:09):
I love it or hate it? The show.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
H m

Speaker 1 (01:24:46):
Hm

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