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Kobe. Kendrick. Greatness explained.

This episode unpacks what true excellence looks like by examining Kobe Bryant’s legendary dedication and Kendrick Lamar’s precise strategy. No fluff—just real talk about work ethic, sacrifice, and the mindset that separates the elite from everyone else.

We don’t just talk icons—we get personal about the discipline it takes to stay in the game.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Heavyweight Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
The message behind saying the title of the
Heavyweight Podcast is to beable to say that we can weigh in
on some heavy shit.
What we're talking about isimportant from every aspect of
it.
It's a heavy weight.
It's not just about physicalweight, but the weight of things
that can weigh our minds.
So I think it's dope that wecan have this conversation mind.
So I think it's dope that wecan have this conversation.

(00:27):
What's good?
This is episode 206 of theheavyweight podcast.
I am your anti-social host,studder McFly, back again with
these two guys.
Go ahead and state your namefor the beautiful people out
here.
Burn to a crisp molito oh shit,I got nothing.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I just you got nothing.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
Another nigga how are your weeks hot?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
uh hot yeah why fucking 106, 107 phoenix?

Speaker 2 (01:08):
I'm hot it's a light day.
That's a light day, though.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
How much weight you lose with the sweat on top of
the workout I think I'm I didn'tknow you could be uh super
dehydrated from just living.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I had to go get me one of them hiking backpacks a
camelback with the water oh, man, you don't want to know what
they used to call us when weused to wear those sound like
some real racist shit it wasn'tthat.
It was probably like regularworld you be fired, yeah, but I
mean it was a good time.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
We had a good time.
You know, uh, baby girl didgood at camp.
She met some people that she'stalking about, all my friends.
You'll never see them again.
Um, so you think yeah yeah, youknow um, you know, I went to
some other gyms.
How were the gyms?
I got good workouts in.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
They were there.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
Yeah, people were there.
People were there People.
Yeah, people were there.
Me and my wife and I, weendured ourselves.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Oh, you went together .

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yes, of course.
For shizzle, of course, ofcourse.
Yes, I wasn't double tappingany talent.
Yeah, yes, you know, I'm goingto say it's you know what.
You know?

(02:36):
Sun's out and they are dressedappropriately, mm-hmm, and I'm a
man with eyes.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
That was the best part about living there.
Yeah, Other than you know heat,I got dark.
I was a naked nigga.
I'm.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Berto Chris Like that .

Speaker 1 (02:55):
Yeah, smashed the mic .

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I knew it was hot when I went and bought sunscreen
.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
That's funny.
I said well, that's the firstplace that got sunburned.
That's funny.
I said whoa, that's the firstplace that got sunburned.

Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
It's right here.
My week was hot, but it wasdifferent.
Hot it was, it was it was itwas Vegas hot.
So Sin City, huh, Just laid inthe pool Just to the pool.
I brought my little gasolinetank, brought little John and
the Eastside Boys back Justdrinking soda out of that.

(03:29):
You didn't have your crunkjuice.
Yeah, we just chilled man, hada little getaway and then came
back and back to it.
That's it, you know.
Back to the grind.
You know Don't the grind.
You know Don't stop.
Got a final First thing done.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
That's cool, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
No, I'm lying, it's just a test, oh.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Who is this?
I thought it was a final.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
It's one of the kids.
Yeah, they didn't even closethe goddamn door Did you fire a
week.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
It's one of the kids.
Yeah, they didn't even closethe goddamn door fire week my
week was cool, kindle go.
Oh it was cool.
I just uh went to work,realized that that was the last
uh holiday we're gonna have fora while.
Last week and then it just kindof september.
Damn it, you right it justclicked that I was like shit, I
gotta do this shit for a monthand some change before I I'm not
at this motherfucker again.
So um, but yeah, it was chill.

(04:28):
I just stay under the radar anddo the.
Do the usual.
Uh, work working out, come towork, that's what's up and uh,
just try not to let them uhphase me they gonna try push
these things off me and likethey gonna try.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Oh yeah, they're gonna try.
Push these things off me andlike they're gonna try.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh yeah, they're gonna definitely try.
But uh, working on music, youknow it's it's interesting to to
create because sometimes youyou do have those those days
where you question like, do Istill got it?
And then you have those whenyou find those pockets, like I
still got it.
Then there's other times you'relike nigga, I ain't got shit.
Am I even black?

(05:07):
I have no rhythm in this verse.
In this bar it's just comingout horrible.
I feel like I was in thefreshman double XL freshman
class.
I'll never let you hear exceptRay Vaughn.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Hear what was in these glasses.
I will never let you hear whatis recorded.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I'm going to hear them.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Oh you will.
Is that bad?
It's like Silk to Soccer andBlueface together.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Damn no rhythm I'm just like damn Offbeat.
It's like in my head it soundedway better than it came out.
So anyway, we'll get into theshenanigans.
It's going to be a meshing oftwo worlds.
There are questions, but we'rejust going to let it fly.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Let it fly with Soda McFly, let it fly, let it rain.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's my favorite movie.
Long game Paulie.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
That made me think of Swaggy P talking about Michael
Jordan.
They was talking shit aboutKobe and he said you guys over
here talking like Michael Jordanhad like a six child Remember
that motherfucker won that game.
It was like oh, that's fuckedup, but he right.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
He wrong.
So, since you brought it up,let's talk about Kobe.
Yeah, there's been a lot ofslander and it's a loser's loser
talk, it is, and it just.
It's wild to me because I mean,you can call us biased because
we are kobe fans, but I do feellike there's a lot of honest

(06:36):
takes on it as well from thethree of us because, granted,
you can be a fan or biased, butyou can't deny stats and what
actually happened when you watchthese games and the footage and
a lot of the people that aretalking about them are
essentially people that that ifthey did play against them, I
want to rewrite history and theywere getting their asses cooked

(06:58):
.
So what are your thoughts on thelikes of uh, I mean the, the
stance that all these people aresuddenly taking now, and and
and all the slander that'shappening?
They wanted to be him that'swhat I think.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
The one that threw me off was like dwayne wade saying
some shit, where you're like dway, like how are you gonna say
something?
But I, I don't know.
I feel like it's jealousy.
There's some sort of jealousyto it.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
That's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
It's like let the man rest in peace, just let the
legacy be what it is, don't tryto change it.

Speaker 3 (07:36):
I feel like it's a bunch of bitch niggas talking
shit about somebody who can'tdefend theyself because they're
not here.
And you waited.
You sucked his dick while hewas here.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Well, there's probably been a lot of shit in
their households like argumentsand like, well, when you was out
there, kobe was cooking you.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, he was busting their asses and, like I pointed
out in the video, some of themsince AAU.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
So when you look at that and you and you think of
the, the entire situation, theirsuccess trajectories were
completely different.
You know then, like kobe washere and a lot of those guys
that are talking.
They maybe were considered goodplayers.
Some of them reached to ahigher tier, made the top 75.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
So for to me, and in comparison I mean, you guys pick
specific players to go tocompare to Kobe, but what does
success look like in your eyes?
As far as some of the guystalking compared to what Kobe
did as a player like what, Ithink that's the bigger hate
here.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Is this the realization of lack of success
or they just didn't, theyweren't happy with their results
.
So, yeah, like that's thesuccess part, like scoby
probably would say, his was, hewas successful, but in what he
probably wanted to seek he stillfeels unfulfilled in those, the

(09:10):
two that he lost.
When you heard him talk aboutit like damn nigga, to even get
through with those squads iscrazy.
Well, the other one they shouldhave.
They should have.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
The fact that they said Pau Gasol should have been
the MVP, fucking D-Wade.
Oh yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
That's what that was crazy Pau Gasol's probably like
what are we?
Talking about me.
I played with him.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
So I ain't even saying that I mean to that
response to D-Wade.
I felt like Shaq should havegot MVP yeah, right, and then
you wouldn't have none that'sjust wild to me.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Jealousy cause when I think of Kobe in the frame of
mind.
That's why I rock with like aMatt Barnes and Matt Barnes got
hands he got hands, but he alsojust he's honest, so like when
he talks about it he knows whatit is and what it ain't, and he

(10:10):
don't try to change history yeahand then, you got niggas like
paul pierce.
Well, he don't count that.
That in his own mind is tryingto change history to what he
actually meant, to the game.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Paul Pierce is doing it.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
He didn't mean a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
Paul Pierce is mad because even his Boston legacy
is being overwritten by youngerniggas.
I hate him.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
He's fault to be a nobody, don't, nobody know who.
The truth is he?
What Just?

Speaker 2 (10:41):
McFly.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I like that, but we don't like Paul over here
.
I don't fuck with Paul, I hatePaul Pierce.

Speaker 3 (10:50):
I've been saying that for years.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I forgot he was from LA yeah, that I don't, I tried
to scrub that out of history.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
We disowned him.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I tried to change history.
That nigga's from Boston.
I don't know what you talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
He ain't from LA he's real with Mark Wahlberg and
them traitor.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
He's at the bar.
Do you think, since we alwaystalk about the mamba mentality,
what do you think it takes tohave that kind of discipline and
outlook on your craft like that?

Speaker 3 (11:26):
It takes going, going back to last last episode, it
takes other worldlydetermination, unshakable
motivation, like you.
You, it's really somethingwhere you have to want it so bad
that and I and I and I think tohis, you know, sadly, to his
demise.
Is that the reason why, likewhen he talked about why he

(11:48):
started taking the helicopterrides and stuff, was because he
was trying to have it all,because he was just so focused
on being the best basketballplayer, while it's time to be
somewhat of a good dad?
And so he.
You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying.
And when you watch so manyplayers, adam, he say you know

(12:09):
they, when summer hit, they takethe summer off.
They don't start training againtill they they actually go on
vacation.
Now I give LeBron his credit,cause I feel like LeBron 365, he
is training, he is doing histhing but, but yeah but you know
, back in the Kobe days, I meanyou had, you had Iverson that
literally said practice, what'spractice?
I don't need practice like I'myeah, I'm not going to practice.

(12:30):
You know what I mean?
Yeah, you got Shaq coming inevery year 40 pounds overweight.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yeah, reeking of Krispy Kreme and that's true.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
He wasn't in shape until Christmas.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
Like he wasn't in shape until Christmas, always
complaining about his big toe,you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And then when you hear the stories of Kobe saying,
yeah, we're walking tomorrow at4 or 5, whatever and whatever
time he told you he's going toget there two, three hours early
just to show you and then he'sgoing to leave after you, just
to show you that.
What's the boy's name?
I forget his name.
Was it J, not J?

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Willis Jay Will.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, that said.
He said that.
He said I literally put up ahundred shots, like a thousand
shots, and when I left, Kobe wasstill practicing.
And then when I saw him at thegame he said I had to let you
know that I'm not working Likethat mindset.
That's different.
That's a different mindsetbecause even mind, we're still
competing, because I'm going toshow you that you're, you don't

(13:24):
want it as bad as I want itthat's what's so crazy about
t-max statement.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Because he he shared a uh he was uh roommates with
him during either aau or the,the whatever, I think the
all-american something and hesaid that kobe was sitting in
this in the room talking aboutI'm about to bust tim thomas's
ass, I'm about to do this.
Oh, they're gonna know to know.
He's sitting there practicingand saying it over and over and
over.
He was like you know hismindset.

(13:49):
So for you to know that thatevolved into what it became in
the NBA, for you to sit thereand say some shit like, well, if
I had Shaq, come on, bro,you're different.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
He would have got one One You're different One.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
You're different one, you're not.
You know and you know fromfirsthand experience that you're
not built like him, so whywould you even make the
statement like you try to?
You try to try to come back,but I'm gonna flip it.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
I said they better think they lucky stars and
stripes.
They showed me that kobe wasn't610.
Yeah, yeah, because if kobe was610, with that mentality, that
work ethic, shit, I think we'vebeen dropping 45 in the first
quarter.
This motherfucker was playingwith giants.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
He said that about Iverson.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
He was like shit, if Iverson had anybody's height,
you guys were toast, that's it,but he was 6'6", 215 pounds if
that versus LeBron, who's afucking essentially a linebacker

(14:53):
and he's fucking cooking LeBronand we have the nerve to try to
keep leaving Kobe out of thetop.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
I remember the early stages of heat where it was buff
LeBron.
We got lean LeBron now, but Iremember when LeBron was like
you saw LeBron like God damn, hefinna destroy somebody Like he
knock over half the team.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
That's where training and all that stuff comes into
play.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Raw ability don't get you, but so far there's been a
lot of people that's been ableto jump out the arena.
A lot of money ain't last.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Yeah, because they didn't put the work for the
fundamentals and take it serious, because when you get old, all
you got is old fundamentals.
Because I think that's what hewas looking at with Shaq.
It's like look at you, man.
If you just took it halfwayserious, halfway serious we
wouldn't hate.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Like you said the interview where he talked they
had the interview we won eight.
Like he said the interviewwhere he talked they had the
one-on-one.
He said what would havehappened if you would have came
in.
He was like we would have likea shitload of more championships
and it's like well.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
David Stern would have broke them niggas up.
I know these new NBA fans don'tknow about David.
David Stern, he would veto andmake shit happen to make things
seem competitive.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
After the sixth one, though yeah, you guys can't win
six straight, no.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
This is over.
You gotta go.
You're not breaking Michael'srecord.
Somebody getting fined.
We gotta throw some dirt onsomebody Are?

Speaker 2 (16:20):
you what Are you implying?
That they sent that woman toKobe's room?

Speaker 3 (16:24):
They probably did.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Caused a little mischief, nah it?

Speaker 1 (16:29):
was a joke, it probably was Paul Pierce.
He finally got out.
He's like.
You know what I'm talking about.
Let's see what this fame belike.
It's like Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I think it was even a trip, like if you guys watch
the Rede team documentary onNetflix, and it came out after
Kobe passed.
But like I remember when theytalked about the mentality and
the mindset Kobe had where hehad to let, he had to set the
tone for them to win, and heliterally said I came here cause

(17:02):
I'm tired of seeing you lose.
And then to make a statement heran through Pau Gasol just to
let them know he's my teammate,but we ain't teammates right now
.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
Not even that.
That's his brother.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Yeah, he ran through him he didn't go.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
He fucks with Pau Like they go to Christmas and
shit together.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Like, OK, we going to talk about this at christmas.
Ran right the fuck through him.
I'll fuck with pal casacas, youcould tell pal just was like
that's just kobe, like he didn'tlook at it like it was beefy
just like that's just how cold,because after that, after that,
most friendships would have beenover yeah, you ain't running
from me like that, like, butyeah, that mentality is
different.
Um, I think even on the level ofsuccess that's measured here

(17:45):
Kobe's work, ethic and belief inhimself and the process and
just taking it serious he tookit more serious than everyone
else in the NBA.
I feel like it should becommended and we shouldn't have
people taking opportunities totry to change history or slander

(18:08):
his name, since he's not evenhere to defend himself and none
of y'all were doing this when hewas alive.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
So it's it's crazy to me to think I think he took
everything he learned from Mikeand all the advice Mike gave him
.
He took it to the TIF powerbecause you know they said Mike
was doing the same thing.
Mike will play against allthese people in the summertime
and learn your moves and allthat stuff.
I think Kobe took that to the10th.
If he saw you as any kind ofthreat or any type of potential

(18:36):
in you, he would try to get aleg.
He would do, he did whatever ittook to get the leg up.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Whatever it took.
Yeah, yeah, a little cyclewaste.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
That's a little too obsessive Obsess.
I remember what was that Ithink that was 01, 01 or 02,
they had just won the title andlike he literally took four days
off and then he was in.
He was in French training.
Yeah, yeah, he said okay, hewas in French training.
Yeah, he said okay.
The season's over Gotta getready for next year.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
So we transitioned that into what we called.
We touched on this and we'renot gonna get too engulfed in it
, but the aftermath of what wasDrake versus the boogeyman

(19:29):
kendrick lamar um, it's been aover a year and I noticed drake
has not let this shit go drakesays round two has it started,
yet he's for him, it has ohsomeone has
to respond when we we talk aboutKobe, I think it's important to
note in the music I feel likeKendrick has that same outlook

(19:53):
and mindset about his craft.
And it's an important estatebecause when you look at how
everything played out and howcalculated he was and the way he
literally destroyed someone'sconfidence right to the point

(20:15):
that they changed the way theymove, they stress the fuck out,
they lost their hair, it'simportant to say, like that
level of success and thementality and outlook how would
you guys say it made I don'tknow kind of integrated into
your own personal lives, to howyou should approach your

(20:39):
passions or crafts excuse me, Ithink the biggest thing I've
learned from the whole Kendrickshit is that execute the plan,
have the plan be thoroughlyplanned out and written down and
execute.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
I felt like everything he studied and he
knew exactly who he was goingagainst and he he had to shit.
He had that shit ready.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
He had, he had lined up I mean, yeah, he had to have
done a lot of research on drakebefore even saying let's get
this pop.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Like you could tell, somebody came prepared and ready
he said I'm war ready if, ifI'm already, if, if you want to
see me, uh bleed, or somethinglike that, he said.
I said I believe it, becausethe thing about being war ready
is that you have to prepare intimes of peace and have every
possible angle.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
It's like how bat Batman was with the Justice
League.
He said for each one of you, Ihave a failsafe, just in case
shit goes south.
I can take you out.
I was like nigga, we on thesame side.
It could change tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
We on the same side today.
Today we're on the same side.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
Yeah, I'd be more like why did?

Speaker 2 (21:59):
you tell?
Me he was that confident likenigga, just so you know that's
funny.
He did the kindred the samething you drink he told him how
it was gonna play out before itplayed out, and it's yeah,
that's, that's true that's likethat's a good, that's a good
comparison, because it's likebatman would say I pay attention
to everything.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I may not speak on it , but I see everything.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I heard that shit you said last week.
But the fact that Kendrick saidhey, this is how it's going to
play out.
Before we even get there, I'mgoing to let you know exactly
how this is going to play out.
And it's going to play out thatway.
That's some.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
I think Jedi mind shit, I think, uh, jedi mind
shit.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
I look at more of the uh the post than the beef,
because if you listen to how alot of people were talking about
it, they were saying, well,he's going to have to carry this
and do this and it's like Ithink at the beginning is the
calculation part.
He knew that.
He's like yeah, I know that.
So like there's still a lot ofshit coming out of that, I don't

(22:58):
think it's going to be the sameKendrick we had, where it's
like five, six years of waitingon music or waiting on something
or waiting on anything.
It's like all right, I'm goingto take this nigga out Now.
It's my show Go time.
So it's about to be some shit.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
Where you're like I don't think he's going to change
.
He's already got a movie, yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Come on, nigga, what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (23:17):
The GNX album.
Listen to the Going on tour.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Look at who he's on features with right now.
Is it Playboi Carti?
Is that who he's with?
Nigga, that song's garbage,both of Maybe three.
Is it three?
Yeah, they're not good, butthat's the game.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't think he picks playboy card, he's nice, I
just yeah, it's.
Definitely he knew it was gotime and definitely he shifted,
like what was so calculatedabout kendrick and that is he
even did to like to both yourpoints.
He changed what you expected ofhim in that moment.
So even even if you were like,oh well, kendrick's just not,
kendrick was like, oh, youthought I was this, now I'm
coming with this, this, this,this, this, this, just cause you

(24:06):
thought it was going to go thisway.
So, like you, it had to becalculated, it had to be very
strategic in every sense.
Like you, thought it was thisway, I have to go this way, just
because you thought it wasgoing to be that way.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Like I'm so curious to see what him and the creator
of South Park are coming up with.
Like I want to know what thatis.
I have no idea.
It's rapid fire.
Like that's like brilliant.
Just to hey, put this out,don't say shit about it, just
say, hey, these two niggasworking together, and then just
disappear on it.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
I would love a Black Hippie project.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
I don't think that's ever happened.
I think you might get anothersong, but a project.
I don't think it's.
It's because it feels likethey're in two different.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
They got to lock in to do that.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Because Abso's still on a thing of trying to prove
that.
Ab got bars though he does havebars, but he's still trying to
prove.
He's that guy.
He's still kind of stuck in a abox of I need to prove and it's
like at this point, what do youhave to prove when you've?
And then J-Rock.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Carson's finding the shadow of.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
Carson, I don't think he thinks he's broken out yeah,
like I think he's still stuckin this weird thing.
Like you know, you're that guyright and like Kendrick kind of
leaving TDE kind of opened it upfor you to be that dude and
he's still kind of stuck in this.
I mean, he even tried to commitsuicide, so it's like he's
still stuck in his internal.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Yeah, we see him.
You have to still be likethat's Abso.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, like you did it , you got this.
It's the same thing withschoolboy q, where schoolboy q
had so much success, but youwould still think that schoolboy
q doesn't realize that thesuccess has put him in a
different light, like what he'sperceived as, and his mind is
like I'm just schoolboy q,niggas like, but your schoolboy,
you can see it how, even whenyou watch him do, uh, you're

(25:57):
like man like.
In his mind, I'm just a niggabeing a nigga.
It's like no, but you'reschoolboy Q.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Hey, watch that nigga .

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Crip Walk the King Hunter, that shit, yeah like
it's different, but you canrealize that they are who they
are.
But I think that's where theydifferentiate Kendrick's in a
whole different state of mind,where he's trying to like even
talking to the hard point yeah,he's like I'm trying to do this,
this, this, I'm trying to bethe, the executive slash, this
slash that.

(26:25):
That's why, like, even when yousee how it played out with gnx
and how he was putting uh,smaller people on and um, uh,
doing this, the scissor tour, um, everything's from a boss move
standpoint.
And I think on tde he outgrewwhat it was like, he appreciated

(26:46):
it, but went here and they'restill kind of going.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Well, we don't niggas though, it's like, but you kind
of I feel like that happenswith every group though you have
one guy that's like, hey, wecan't, we can't just be this all
for the rest of the day, likeTDE, there's something going on,
something in the water.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
First of all, for all of those fools to just hit like
they do, but then, when youthink about it, a lot of them
don't.
It's weird that they don't havethat belief in them, like if
SZA was just saying that on thetour.
It's like well, I didn't thinknobody was coming to see me,
like SZA, shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Like me, like scissor , shut the fuck up.
Like what it's?
Yeah, it's, they're definitelytalented.
It's just a weird because I,yeah, you notice that with most
of their their artists is theydon't I don't know, don't you
seem?

Speaker 1 (27:28):
though she's the only one.
I'm better than all of youbitches.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
But it does seem weird that abso at this point
should be on some.
I'm listening to Ab today Like,hey, kendrick, nigga, I'm right
here with you Because evenKendrick can acknowledge how
dope he is.
But it don't seem like Abthinks of himself in that, other
than when he's talking aboutother rappers that he knows he

(27:54):
can body as far as the success,mentality, outlook.
It's like he's stuck in his Igotta prove myself, but you're
nicer than all these niggas areterrified of you.
You should be the second comingof the boogeyman, as opposed to
how he views himself.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
I don't want no smoke without him.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I mean, I would 99.9% of the rappers in the entire
league, and probably evenincluding Kendrick, don't want
smoke with that and like whosaid that shit?
Was it DJ Head?
He was like nigga Abso woulddiss you and you'll have to sit
there and break it down.

(28:35):
And be like damn nigga.
He dissed me with that.
But yeah, I think the mentalityis important and I feel like
that success, uh, that the levelof success is it's, it's levels
to it and kendrick and kobe areall cut from that same cloth
that there's levels to it thatlaser focus yeah, where it's

(28:55):
like this is you different?
different and like peopleacknowledge it.
That's what I think people areafraid of when they acknowledge
the difference yeah, we seekendrick in the in the park
doing fucking burpees.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You're like why are you doing that?
Well, I got a tour.
I got a tour coming up and I'mgonna be.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Or they say runs like what five or six miles you like
daily, just just cuz, and youask somebody else I've been like
I ain't running far I could doa nine hour set if I need to
like Like the pop out.
That nigga did a two hour setwith no water, no breaths, no
rest.
No, let me somebody take overfor a little bit.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
We had a bunch of hey , it's my nigga.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Well, that's just forgetting shit.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
I mean, the songs were only like a week or so or
two weeks fresh.
I'll fuck with it.
Coming from artists trust me.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
I'm art coming from artists.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Watch that shit right now trust me, coming from
artists, that is hard tomemorize some shit in less than
two weeks.
That is some hard shit the coldpart about it is that he didn't
have to write them words becausethe crowd knew yeah oh, they
knew it six times the crowd knewI just thought it was
interesting how, each time itwas different, they would add
like pyrotechnics to this whenhe did it this time, I was like

(30:01):
that's pretty dope, and then thecamera would switch Wah, wah,
wah, wah.
He's like this is different, soit's very Mapped out.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Ain't nothing been the same since I Now Tucked this
in, just wrapped it back in hispajama clothes.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
There's two, there's, there's this other side, the
flip side of this fall for graceDrake oh, I thought you meant
Paul George, oh.
I've always thought he was trash.
Anyway, when you look at Drake's, because I feel like when we

(30:34):
talk big three, when we talkanything that has to do with
Drake, j Cole or Kendrick,they're always brought in the
same breath.
But it's because the level ofsuccess and the time they take
to make successful things tendsto be equal.
But in that battle you saw thedifference between somebody

(30:57):
who's about that and somebodywho may have been crafted or
created to be that way.
So to have that kind of successor that level of success based
on someone saying, no, I'mtaking the time to master my
craft, I'm doing this, I'mmaking sure I'm doing, I'm going
above and beyond to be the bestof what I can be, and then
somebody saying you know what,if I pay the the right person,

(31:19):
if I get in the right room, thenI can get to that success.
If I'm constantly on everyone'smind or actually being seen all
the fucking time, that's whatthey contribute to success.
If I never take a time off,then you never forget about me
yeah, contractually, I don'tbelieve he could take that off
but even then, I think helearned that from wayne.

(31:41):
That's, you know, wayne wasputting out a lot of shit and
it's yeah, wayne was dropping uhmixtapes, albums at least a
mixtape a year, yeah so I feellike it's kind of like quantity
over quality was kind of likethe the that's the chris brown
method I don't want to say Ithink because he was still
banging them over the head withwhat he's putting out.

Speaker 1 (31:59):
I think uh, it's probably more like uh.
What's a good comparison?
We're using Kobe Kobe comparedto uh uh, who has a good amount
of rings.
That was just on the squad,robert Nah.

Speaker 3 (32:15):
I will, I'll do like a Paul Pierce.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
I, I will.
I'll do like a Paul Pierce.
I'll do like a Paul Pierce,because Paul Pierce was like the
guy there.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Paul Pierce has one ring.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Okay, cool, we'll take the one ring, and so they
built the team for him to win,right?
so you could say you couldsubstitute him and put LeBron in
that they built the team forhim to win.
They built the team for Garnettto win okay so for them to win
Garnett, kobe and Shaq they werelike oh, y'all niggas are going

(32:43):
to win, we just have to put thepieces here.
Yeah, it's a little different.
You get what I mean, so yeah.
So Drake was more like the yeah, nigga, we'll make sure you win
.
Yeah, kendrick was like nah,nigga, I'm gonna win.
How much do you want to win?
Is the question yeah, becausewhen I look at, Because Drake

(33:06):
he's talented, but it's like hehad everything handed to him
Because as artists.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
What you would see him do when I was I was active
was how the fuck are you comingup with so much music and it's
like at a high rate, not sayingit was the best, but like the
quality.
But then you find out, yeah,he's, he's taking reference
tracks from Quentin Miller.
He's doing that Like you'relike.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Oh, so there's there's a whole team at play.
He's taking niggas bars, wordfor word.
Yeah, he's still.
It's a whole team at play.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Some shit and it's even wild.
Now when you hear about peopletry to defend it, they'll be
like, well, yeah, he might'vedid the reference, but Drake did
it better.
It's like it's two differentthings.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I'm okay with it if it wasn't to go into a GOAT
conversation.
It was just making music cool,whatever, I don't give a shit.
But when you're going into likethe greatest of all time,
you're like, well, then you gotto separate it.
Like, what are we talking about?
Are we talking about thegreatest at making hits?
Okay, cool, fuck, it have it.
But are you talking about, likeartist?
Then you have to have a realconversation like are you the
artist or did you pay for this?
Like it doesn't work that way.

(34:15):
Like only you like being famousyeah, it's the fame part, it's
not the craft and that that'stoo different.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
As I said, the flip side of the coin is one was
created almost by, with the teamto be this level of success,
where kendrick was like, likeyou said, I'm gonna build it and
I'm gonna get there, going tobuild it and I'm going to get
there, but I'm going to put thetime in to get there the right
way, with the right knowing thatit's on me to do it.

(34:47):
So, like I guess it goes tothat quote on on uh, all the
stars, I'm a, I'm a, I want thecredit.
If I'm winning or I'm losing,I'm a mama.
That's the realest shit.
Like it, it does feel likenigga.
I'm going to create it ratheryou.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
It's like when you said that, it just made me think
about what Mase said about Kobe.
Yeah, kobe went up with histeam.
He went down with his team.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
But he was there he was there.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
That's his team.

Speaker 2 (35:13):
It didn't change to do this.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
no, he's like fuck it if this, if this is what I'm
winning, this I'm gonna win andthen when people say he was
gonna leave, he wasn't leavingto go to like a much he was one
of the clippers or the bullsyeah, it wasn't like a greater
situation.
He was like I'm gonna go buildit and beat these niggas over
here now, bang them over thehead.
But people don't have that,they don't believe that they

(35:36):
have to have.
It's like t-mac said with thatI didn't have the chance.
It's like shut the fuck up youdid yeah, like you didn't go you
didn't go to the bucks, niggalike.
And even if you went to thewell, no, because kobe knew that
too.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
He was like I am not going to charlotte, nigga and I
mean and if you, if you want toplay devil's advocate, shack
didn't get it done until he gotwith Kobe.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Yeah, they sent him there for that they knew that
when they were like hey, putthese two together.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Him and Penny had two shots back to back.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
Who did that?
They lost.
Who was it?
Wasn't it Jerry West?

Speaker 2 (36:10):
Yeah, Jerry West.
Jerry West is brilliant withbasketball and he said get them
two little niggas together.
I want this kid.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
He saw a vision before everybody else did,
because Dale Harris et ceteradidn't look at Kobe, like Jerry
West, is the brainchild of theGolden State Warriors too.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
He's brilliant.
He got Paul Gasol for KwameBrown.
Come on, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
That motherfucker Kwame Brown, god damn, yeah,
yeah, I went through one of my.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Facebook.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
It was about a month ago, god damn.
Yeah, yeah I saw I went throughone of my Facebook.
Uh, it was like a year, about amonth ago.
I went through one of myFacebook stories and I was like
man, I haven't watched the gameforever and I said I literally
the post was.
I finally decided to turn theLaker game on, turn the, turn
the game on.
I watched, um, I watched what'shis fucking name?

(36:57):
What was it?
It was other like power forward.
I watched this nigga take athree and cut the TV off like
the first.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
I turned, it wasn't.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Randall.
It was before Randall.
It was a veteran.
I forgot his nigga name, but Isaid yeah, I said I remember it
was a time, like you know howmany trash ass teams Kobe was on
like trash trash.
What ass teams.
Colby was on and he wascelebrating.
What game Trash.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Game winners and he looking like.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Trash.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
What team was?
Was he Italian or something?
Marcellus Mar?
I can't remember thatmotherfucker's name, I just
remember they were running outof time and he's the one who
tried to shoot the ball behindhis back Because he ran out of
time.
And he's like ugh.
One who tried to shoot the ballbehind his back Because he ran
out of time, and he's like ugh,he tried to shoot a three Like.
Looking at the other rim,you're like nigga.

(37:46):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Oh shit.
We can definitely say that inlevels of success there are
levels to success, and when yousee greatness like that, oh, it
was Carlos Buzer anyway, whenyou say that was a success, you
understand that there that Kobeand Kendrick and that taking the

(38:17):
time to create and believe andhave a passion in your craft and
take the shit serious breeds awhole different type of beast.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
No shortcuts and that's why it pissed me off.
When I got that clip of shaqtalking to his son about
basketball he knows we'll take alot of sacrifice, you're gonna
miss.
I said, nigga, what did yousacrifice?

Speaker 1 (38:37):
I just feel like a month of crispy cream if, if you
take the if people like I, justlike with the shortcuts should
I get mad at the shortcuts thatpeople don't.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
I'm just saying when he got he got serious.
He was like I guess I want toeat that right now yeah, he
didn't take shortcuts though hejust didn't

Speaker 3 (38:56):
care no.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
He didn't care until around Christmas-ish.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
But when that motherfucker was in shape.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
That's a strong one.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
But at the end of the day, what you going to say to
him?
Nothing Nigga work out like noFair enough.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Well, Kobe would throw hands with him.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
He did it once.
I feel like he was like I gottado this because I ain't no
bitch.
I don't want to do this twice.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
I think he would have did it again if he had to.
I just feel like 99.9% of therest of the league would have
been like nigga, I ain't doingthat shit.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
That's Jack's team.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
TMAC included.
He would have caved his chestin.
You see how skinny TMAC was.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Like what TMAC has died, like what he got punched.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
I said 24 hours within trading T-Mac to the
Lakers.
We are now going to the funeralteam, right.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
Like I think that's what a lot of the players are
like.
Some of these guys who aretalking are saying he wouldn't
get this if he didn't die andthat's insane to me.
Like I do believe he would havegot the same praise.
If you look at that farewelltour.
No one's getting that.
No one's getting that.

Speaker 3 (40:14):
They're going to try to do something like that for
LeBron.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
It's not going to be the same.
It's not.
It's not even going to be close.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
They're going to try.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
It'll be a sight to see because you're like damn
nigga, that is a long timethey're going to drop.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
So you guys played sports yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Yeah.
You played sports you wrestled.
I played spades, I thought youwrestled.

Speaker 3 (40:35):
And played spades.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
That's a sport In your sports.
Do you remember your first wins?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
My first wins, nah the first win, like that.
Do you remember how you felt?

Speaker 3 (40:50):
when you won, I didn't, it was dope, that was
dope, I remember.
Yeah, I won.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yay, my first home run, how'd that feel.
That was dope, that was realcool.
Fuck you that was real cool,was it?
You just?

Speaker 3 (41:01):
tripped Curry Kevin.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
So, when you hit the home run, what was the thought
that went through your mind whenyou knew it was going to?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
go over the wall.
I finally got one hell yeahthat's what's up.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Clink, yes, but did you know instantly when it came
off the bat or as it wastraveling?

Speaker 3 (41:21):
oh no, that was gone so I was in little league I must
have been about 11, 12 and Iwas like little league man.
I must have been about 11, 12and I, I was like man.
I got it, I hit, I was like oh,this is gone so I hit it right
and I'm looking at it and I'mlike that's a home run, that's
out the park for sure, and I'mstanding there watching.

(41:41):
I ain't, I ain't moved, nigga,I'm still at the plate.
Needless to say, niggas andslayers was not a home run.
It landed right next to thefence, oh shit and uh, it ended
up being a single.
So you learned that lesson thatday.
They was like why are?

(42:02):
you not running.
I was like niggas out, we gooddon't worry don't worry about it
.
We good it was.
It was not out, it was, it wasa, it was a very long single
that's a little bit yelled at.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
I did some extra running.
Next practice Like whose kid isthis hey?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
See, you guys have a different experience than I did
in baseball.
In baseball for me, I played inLittle League and we played at
Patterson Park and I remember itwas a Saturday, we played and I
got struck out at the plate andmy dumb ass was feeling sorry

(42:39):
for myself.
So I just stood at the platelike I didn't move.
So the teammate was trying toslide in because something
happened.
I don't know if the I got swungin and, like the the catcher,
they thought his gloves.
So my teammate was trying torun it from from home and I'm
over here feeling sorry formyself.
I blocked his path to thefucking plate and they were

(43:04):
cussing me the fuck out and Iremember just thinking yeah, I
don't think baseball is my thing, it's for me.
Like, but my first win inbasketball was I remember the
feeling I had my first win waslike I didn't do shit, was like

(43:29):
I didn't do shit, like I didn'tdo enough because I felt like I
should be more.
I should have had moreindividual stats for the win, so
like it felt good that we won,but it always made me feel like
I need to do more, like I wantto be the reason, like that main
reason, why we win, and Ididn't honestly get that to.

(43:50):
Like high school, there was onegame I grabbed like 21 rebounds
.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
That's a lot.
And I was hyped, you was outthere grabbing rebounds.
What the fuck the hell are youplaying?

Speaker 2 (44:04):
I was a power forward but I was smaller than
everybody else.
But I was quicker than the guysI was playing against, so they
might have been taller than me,but I could jump up quicker and
grab the rebound and I couldjump.
So I remember it was againstrubid and I grabbed a lot of
fucking rebound.
I think.
When I took away from that Iwas like man, like like they
only had like four points but Ihad a shitload of rebounds.

(44:26):
But it was like I a a integralpart to that you know what.
I'm saying Like you're like,damn, you can't take away his 21
rebounds.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
They're like that's a lot of points in return.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Yeah, I kept grad, like I remember just going down
like and the thing is just thosewins, like you take pride in
that shit because you know thework you put in to get to that
point.
You know what I'm saying.
So, like, when you, when yousee the, the return on that, on

(44:57):
that, on that hard work and andin the form of success or win,
like I'm talking about yourloser ass teams but they were oh
yeah, we didn't, we didn't goanywhere they were real fun.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
It was fun.
That's not what it's supposedto be, but the winning is
supposed to be fun.
We was just having fun.
Those coaches just didn't knowwhat to do.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
I think the ultimate one I got from all of it was the
weight loss.
When I was in high school,people didn't recognize me.
When I came, when I playedbasketball for two years and I
came back to North, they werelike man.
I remember one dude was likeman, what you doing meth or
something?
I was like what?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Damn, didn't give me no credit.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
I just remember that summer between eighth and ninth
grade when you went to footballpractice all summer.
I came back in freshman year Iwas like damn you lost.
Yeah nigga.
I've been running in the heat.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
I used to see them all the time A lot.
I said I couldn't do football.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
This nigga said meth and I was like in high school
and then I remember trying outfor baseball.
And there's one nigga, he wasMexican, he was.
He came, he was SA'd out, hehad the shorts, the big ass, ben
davis and the cortez's to tryout for baseball.
I was like this nigga ain'tready, but like his name was, an
angel by chance?

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I don't remember his name, I just that, because that
that's what it was a sa dudethat asked me that and he wore
cortez's and he was a big dudethat lost a good amount of
weight and I was like the funnyis, the first thing he asked me
was it meth?
And I'm like, nigga, yeah, whywas it mess for you?
Like was it mess for him?
And he was like, oh man, webuddies like no no, we're.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
No, he was a little dude but he was like tired as
fuck on like one.
I was like why are you so tired?
He's like I smoked some glasslast night, fool, and I was like
we are in 10th grade, yeah,like that's.
He came to try out aftersmoking meth.
That's wild, that is yeah.
Now that I think back, I'm likethat is a child, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
He was.
If I could go back, I probablywould.
I probably would have playedbaseball.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I like baseball.
I really like baseball.
I would have took it serious.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Yeah as serious If I'm saying I would've took a
serious Cause I did not, I took,I took a, I had a rotation.
Serious, I was just doing shit.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I should've.
I probably could've made somemoney.
That's how much, uh, I believein myself.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
That's nuts I remember I went and played
basketball for a differentschool and came back to North
and I, I, I was in shape, shapeand I bust my ass.
But something happened with thecoach and I just said you know
what?
I'm just going to enjoy mysenior year and I came back in
shape and I would hoop at lunchall the time and there was some

(47:43):
three-on-three competition theyhad going on in North and
fucking Athens' dad came out towatch me play oh yeah and then
he was like you know, if some ofy'all would come try out for
the team, you'd be on the team.
I was like nigga, I was on yourteams and he used to shit on us
when we were like with thefreshmen and whatever so like.
So the fact that I came back,my senior and he had like

(48:05):
amnesia, I was like but I triedfor the team and it wasn't
interesting.
But now that they're talkingabout hey, that one dude at the,
at the courts, he came out andsaid that shit.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
I said that's good he should have came just said that
directly like hey, you shouldit was.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
It was a clear like message, but like he didn't want
to say it directly, but hewanted to hear me, hear him say
it.
Yeah, it's like if some ofy'all would try out for the team
.
Like I said, I ain't never seenhim out at those courts.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, unless he was about to spin you.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
So when that happened I said shit.
But yeah, basketball is.
I know if I would have took itserious, like like mamba level
serious, I would have went far.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
You take anything mama level serious, you're going
to be a success.

Speaker 2 (48:54):
But I know I have the skill level.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
It's just, you can sell dope at that level Shit you
want to start tomorrow youmight be Jay-Z.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
That's well played, but yeah, can you describe a
moment that you almost gave upand what made you keep going?
Like me personally.
We're talking about like sports, oh sports, because we're

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talking about sports sports, onsports, because we're talking
about sports.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
I thought I fucked my nip.
I never wrestled again.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Was it like they recommended it or you just?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
told yourself.
I just never went back.
I don't know if I gave up onmyself.
Then I just I thought I fuckedup on myself.
Then I just I thought Itransitioned to um track and
field after that and I did trackthe rest of the time.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
So what event.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I was uh field.
Should I put it this oh okay,yeah, um, yeah, but no, I mean,
I don't know, I can't say I gaveup.
I just kind of like it was anenvironment where I felt like I
wasn't really encouraged typething, because again, a lot of
things I was doing like I wasdoing shit just so I wouldn't
have to be home.
So it was just like, as long asI ain't home, I'm cool and I

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got a job.
That's the money in my pocket.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
If I can go back, I'd take thisshit serious.
I don't really feel like I tookanything serious outside of
shit.
I didn't even really take mygrades serious.
Shit always kind of came easyto me.

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I did bare minimum to get.
As long as I had a B or a house.
No, I didn't care.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
Yeah, Just enough.
So they wouldn't yell at mewhen I when the report card came
on.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Seas means you see some shit for the summer.
I think for me was graduatingout of high school with baseball
.
I think for me I was graduatingout of high school with
baseball because I was like Iain't playing hardly on the team
, I'm just on the team.
They're like I'm not dope, butI know I'm dope.
I think that's some softballgame, but I think that was.

(51:27):
I had the choice of either justgoing to school and not, you
know, or at least trying.
So I chose to put in the workfor the summer and try out at
least.
So I didn't quit.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
What'd you?
What'd you join a?

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I even uh, join a 40 number team, a team like
baseball.
Yeah, I don't know if I want toplay baseball or some of these
things.
They be trying to do too much.
I'm like yo dog, I just want tocome out here and just move my
body.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
No, but you can find a team like that.
It's dope.
I mean, there's some that don'treally play, they just drink,
it's a reason to drink.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Nah, I don't want to do that, but I've seen those
ones where they have like, whereI was like, yeah, let me go
Wood Bat League.
Oh, these motherfuckers incollege, like I'm just trying to
go embarrass myself.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I don't know why.
It popped in my head.
You end up going to the teamand thinking it's cool and then
you end up doing a dance numberto go viral.
You be like nigga, I came toplay what the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Oh yeah, there's this new baseball.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
We do tricks and shit .

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Can I?

Speaker 2 (52:34):
see that TikTok shit, I'm like what the fuck Are they
dancing?

Speaker 3 (52:38):
But no, I did say this when I think about it, if I
would go back I would start.
I could have wrestled in middleschool, because I actually did
enjoy wrestling and I felt like,because I was logical, like I
was 5'9", right, 5'10 on a goodday.
My favorite basketball playeris 6'6" and they say he's small.
I said, nick, so I can't playbasketball.

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I'm not going to waste mygoddamn time.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
I wasn't fast enough.

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Look at the comparisons.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Muggsy Bogues.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I wasn't fast enough.
Spud Webb, I fast enough, spudWebb, I wasn't fast enough.
So yeah, that's Clayton Clark.
So I knew, I knew, is she 5'9"?

Speaker 1 (53:15):
I don't know, I was just like she might be 5'11", so
that's why I always rock with.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
if y'all know who I mean.
Kevin probably know who DwightFeeney, the defensive tackle.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Yeah, he was 5'9".
Oh yeah, definitely he was asuperstar, right?

Speaker 3 (53:30):
So I was like.
So, logically, I was like man.
I'm not familiar, I likebasketball, but I was like man.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
I know I ain't going you quit off.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
Nah, nate Robinson, nah.
But then I didn't think therewas no money in wrestling
Webster, but to get to theOlympics and then tailor it back
to the wrestling.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Wrestling Did you say .
Who'd you say?

Speaker 3 (53:55):
Gary Coleman, I thought that's what you said.
I was like he don't playbasketball.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Now I'm just talking about successful short people.
I'm like, hey, I don't havemuch to pull from there.
Pause, ha ha.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
You gotta yeah.
Yeah, I'm not damn it, I can'teven say what the fuck I want to
say.
I'm gonna say I'm not touchingthat, but that's an
inappropriate thing to say afteryou guys.
Hold a little.
You have any um, what would youany any moments?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I forgot what I asked you felt like you were going to
quit, give up.
Oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Not quit give up.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
That's right.
That's right.
That's right, that's right.
Sports-wise sophomore yearbecause freshman year.
No, was it freshman?
Yeah, freshman year.
I went out to play basketballand I um no, I was playing at

(54:56):
lunch, god damn it.
I was playing at lunch, Ipulled, I tore my uh, meniscus,
and basketball tryouts was thefollowing week and I still went
out and tried out and the fuckedup thing was that that year the
tryouts were out on theblacktop, damn.
So not only was I fucked upbecause of my knee, but I'm out

(55:19):
here trying to play get on theteam with a torn meniscus,
because I'm trying and I'mhobbling up and down the floor.

Speaker 3 (55:26):
But you wouldn't have gotten to play in time because
you were hurt.

Speaker 2 (55:30):
I was trying to make the team so I literally didn't
say I was injured, I just kept.
But you could tell it wasclearly evident.
But I remember I ended upfalling and bracing myself and I
scraped my hands up.
So I remember the coach goinglike man, I appreciate the
effort.
He's like it's clear you'reinjured, but I appreciate the

(55:51):
effort that you're putting in,but unfortunately this year.
Yeah, so I came back mysophomore year Because I wanted
to give up.
But I came back my sophomoreyear and tried out and I was one
of the best dudes in the tryoutand politics played a part.
Yeah, buddy, old politics of thebest dudes in the tryout and
politics played a part, andbuddy old politics coach came to

(56:13):
me afterwards and he was like,because everybody was like I
don't know how you didn't makethe team.
Like you were better than allof us out there.
So he goes yeah, man, um, youknow, like you know the guys
that made the team, they were inthe summer league before like
the summer uh.
So like that's the reason whyyou got picked over, that you
know.
But yeah, like you, you werereally good man.
Like I want you to just comeback out next year.
I said no, no, but what's funnyis I guess it got enough

(56:37):
traction and people was likedude, you denied one of the
better guys in the tryouts, sothey put me on the team but I
couldn't play.
That was bartiz, that's what'sthe point?
so it was like you're on theteam but you don't play yet
until you get acclimated to thehow they play.
So I was on the team and I onlyplayed against poly, because

(56:58):
the the rule trucks rule uh,coach, trucks rule was everybody
gets a piece of poly.
That was the rule.
So, um, but I remember at thattime it hit me and I wanted to
give up, but I chose to go to adifferent school completely and
have an honest unbiased chanceat playing.
So every day I forget this.

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That's why I fuck with my dadso heavy.
He would take me with him toRubidoux because he would meet
up with his friend Baron inRubidoux and they would eat
breakfast every morning.
So I would get up at 6 am everymorning, go with him to the
diner in Rubidoux, we would eatand he would drop me off at
North when he went to work and Iwould be up at North from 7 or

(57:48):
8 am all the way until 5 pm.
And that was what my summer was.
So I would run into the footballplayers and I would see them
every day and what I would dowas run a mile, because I
couldn't run a mile before.
So I would start, you know, runa sprint walk, sprint walk, and
then it turned into I could doa full lap.

(58:09):
Then the full lap turned intotwo sprint walk and then it
turned into I can do a full lap,then the full lap turned into
two laps, and then you get tofour and I just remember being
super focused and my dad waslike so what school do you want
to go to?
Like he told me he's like youcan go to any school you want to
go to.
What school do you want to goto?
I went to ramona and I I madethe team and that's when I got

(58:30):
the 21 rebounds and I justcompletely changed my body and I
remember just busting my assthe whole year and they changed
and it pissed me off because Isaid it feels like timing.
Some scandal was going on withthe coaches so they ended up
firing the entire coaching staff.

(58:51):
So all that work that I put inwas about to be tucking under by
a whole new coaching staff andwhen that guy came in he
couldn't handle the players sohe had just fucking buckled
after fucking doing hell weekand all that shit during the
summertime.
So that's when I quit Because Irealized at that point, if this

(59:12):
coach isn't going to be serious,why am I going to put my effort
forward?
If I know the coach isn't goingto be serious about this, why
am I going to put my effort?
But that was me quitting onlybecause I knew at this point my
effort was going to be fornothing, because if I tried and
sure enough that team fuckingwent like oh and whatever, they
didn't make it anywhere, thefucking team was just trash.
But I knew it was going to bethat when I saw it.

(59:34):
But I I just remember putting alot of fucking work, but yeah,
I didn't necessarily, I didn'tgive up on myself, I just knew
what a dead horse was.
So I just went and enjoyed mysenior year and I got, you know,
groped by a lot of women andasked if I did meth that's
assault.
It was assault, press charges.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Press charges.
They want equality.
They can get a go-to on twoyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Not from high school.
Yeah, no, because then that's abad precedence.

Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
All right, rapid fire .
Success in one word Go Pussy.
Okay, you.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Ooh, that's a good one.
That's what I said.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
What?
The pussy or the successquestion.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
The question Both actually.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Nigga, do you understand what rapid fire is?

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
I know, I know you saw me, I've been spoken.

Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
I want to say some Charlie Sheen shit, so fuck it
winning winning, I'm gonna saysee growth, damn it, he beat me
alright book that helps youshape your mindset go grace
eventually as a man think of uh,dale carnegie's, uh the way to

(01:01:04):
influence people and uh when, orsome friendships.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
It's been so long that's a goddamn book to
manipulate people.
I read that shit Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Stick with the shit.
Most underrated trait forsuccess Go Determination.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Sticktuitiveness what ?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
I'm going to say Discipline Determination.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Stictuitiveness.
So what I'm?

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
going to say discipline, determination,
stictuitiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
That's discipline, nigga, just discipline.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
I guess we said the same thing three times Quote you
live by.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Fuck them, kids.

Speaker 2 (01:01:48):
You.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
It is the heroes and cowards uh coach you, love, I'll
coach you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Why I?

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
just because I'm a nasty motherfucker, claude um,
you know what you need to do.
Do it.
What's your uh success anthem?
A song that motivates you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
Right now, it's that part.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
That part, schoolboy, and Kanye that part, that part.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
Oh, I don't know the name of the song.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
It's Kodak.
Black Mine is Hustler'sAmbition 50 Cent.
With that being said, this hasbeen episode 206 of the
Heavyweight Podcast.
Yay, yay, this has been afreestyle thing, so we're
meshing up things, tryingsomething different.
That's why we're doing this.
Des will be back the nextepisode, don't worry.
Shout out to Des.
Yeah, we Thank you.

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