January 9, 2025 • 38 mins
What happens when a young artist turns lunch table rap battles into a thriving career? Meet King Dice, an extraordinary rapper and creative entrepreneur whose journey is nothing short of inspiring. From performing arts school to commanding stages with powerful performances, King Dice shares the moments that sparked his passion for hip-hop, revealing the artistry and impact that have shaped his career.
Transitioning from full-time musician to youth mentor, I recount the challenges and rewards of leading impactful music programs. Organizing an annual leadership camp has allowed me to empower young people—natural leaders, those at crossroads, and those yet to realize their potential. This mission, inspired by Tupac’s vision, fuels my dedication to cultivating future innovators and change-makers.
In this episode, we celebrate the profound importance of mentorship and community engagement, sharing stories of young lives transformed by guidance and support. We also explore the influence of West Coast rap on our philosophies and envision future endeavors, including potential political ventures. Join us for an episode filled with passion, purpose, and powerful stories of change.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
My journey has taken me to amazing places that other
people they'll struggle for orstrive for their entire life and
may not accomplish those things.
So yeah, and I think I owe allof that to just trusting in
myself and jumping in so yeah,if you want to follow in those
(00:20):
footsteps, do it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm big-boned.
I'm heavy-structured.
I'm hung low.
If I pull my shit out thiswhole room, do it.
I'm big boned, I'm heavystructured.
I'm hung low.
If I pull my shit out thiswhole room, get dark.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'ma tuck my shit.
Fat finger, let me tuck my shit.
Damn right, I'm gonna tuck myshit.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
IE in this bitch love'm going to just bring out
the backstory and we'll go fromthere.
I remember when I first got onthe scene I had a manager named
james barcelou shout out tojames and he had put me on uh,
the scene as far as, like, uhtrying to get me shows.
So there was this particularshow at the orange, at the
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orange eos pavilion, some centerin san bernardino, and I just
gotten off of work, I walk in, Ido a set, I'm this is the first
time I'm initiated to meetingcam archer.
And then, after I do the set,it was raining outside and I'm
approached by a couple and theysay your set's dope, can we
(01:46):
interview you now?
Little did I know.
It was the couple that's inthis room today and uh, dice,
you cannot miss dice, right?
So he's a towering person.
So when he goes up to me he'slike man, you're, I think you're
dope, can I interview?
And we go and we do the, theinterview, um, with laurie, and
(02:11):
I remember thinking, okay, thisis dope, I like this energy and
fast forward.
A little later and uh, diesel,who was our previous guest, has
a song called monster mash, andhe goes.
Yeah, you know, I got a versefrom the homies and then king
dice and I said wait a minute.
And I said dice raps.
So I listened to the verse.
(02:33):
I'm like no, he didn't rap, hebodied the fucking verse.
And I was like when, when, whenis anybody gonna tell me this
shit?
Right?
So in in that instance, hebecame one of my favorite
artists.
Period, because the word,structure, the voice is very
powering, it catches your earinstantly.
So he became instantly one ofmy favorite artists.
(02:55):
Period, not just an IE, butperiod.
To have him here, to be able totalk his shit and and see that
the ability from, not just froma rapping perspective, but from
a creative entrepreneur, and, uh, the beats, the, everything I
just wanted to be able to bringhim here and and this is very,
(03:17):
very, very special for me uh,this man is not just dope in the
sense of music, but evenhelping this community.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give toyou this talk your shit episode
with king motherfucking dice.
Put some respect on his name.
How are you doing this morning?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I'm doing good, that's a hell of an intro I try
to, I try to like.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm sitting there, you understand.
I was in the mirror trying tosay how can I hype this episode
up?
And, like I did this countlesstimes, man, like I said, just
like to be able to give you yourflowers, bro.
So I said, this means a lot tome that you're here, man.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Man, it means a lot to be here and I appreciate that
those are a lot of kind wordsand, man, those were some great
memories.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes, yes, I remember that.
I remember like and the thingis, that night when I saw you
behind the camera when Lori wasasking the questions, you had
this like energy.
You could tell you love this,Like it's not something where
you're just doing this for thegimmick or the clout, you
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literally have a love for it.
So when you see that smileinstantly come across your face,
it makes you feel welcome.
You know what I'm saying, so Inever forget that.
And you, you still have thatsmile.
So I like, I like you know whatI'm saying, so, um, yeah, so
when did you know you wanted todo music?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
man.
Um, you know it's funny.
I was thinking about this anduh, I would have to say, like
elementary school, I went tothis like gifted and talented
education program and it was alot like it was just a school
for performing arts, right?
So in this school everyone hasto sing, everyone has to dance,
we learn ballet, we playkeyboard, we're doing all the
(05:02):
arts you know, graphic art,painting, so it's like this
advanced curriculum and Istarted off singing and then
puberty hit and my voice did notkeep up.
I could not sing anymore.
Those notes started hitting alittle funny.
So I kind of left music behindfor a little bit.
(05:23):
But then I want to say, maybehigh school, you know, hip hop
just kept calling me, you know,kept calling me and started off
at the lunch tables.
We just would battle all thetime.
Some of my best friends I met,you know, through battling.
I mean shout out, shout out toHomie SoCal Sinatra.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Shout out.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And yeah, that's, that's when I for sure was like,
was like, okay, so music isstill going to be a part of my
life, it's just not going to bethe way it was.
And yeah, I picked up the micand never put it down.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Really that's what's up.
That's what's up, that's what'sup.
So when did you know you wantedto like, like, you're, like I'm
, that I'm an mc like this isfor sure my aunt, because I'm
telling you, when I heard thatmonster mass verse, I was like
this nigga bodied that shit ohman, um, you know I started off
on the block right there's a lot, of, a lot of the big homies.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We would just listen to whatever.
Whatever will come on, we startputting our ourself, you know,
our group, our click in in themusic, right.
So it's like, uh, stoop dogwould say two, one, three.
We would say two, one, two, andwe would just make our own
little versions of us, put ournames in it, and eventually I
was like, oh, I think I couldrecord this.
And I started teaching myselfhow to engineer, started
(06:31):
learning how to make beats, andthis was really just to impress
the girls, you know.
I mean.
So, like we're riding around inthe car, we're not putting on
the new snoop, or we're notputting on the new 50 cent,
we're putting on like us it waslike, oh, who is this?
I'm like, oh, girl, this is thisis us that's the homies.
Um, and then, yeah, sooner,sooner rather than later, I
started taking it kind ofserious.
The homes were like, oh man,like that little remix you did
(06:52):
was?
That was pretty cool.
Man, you should like thinkabout doing something original.
And I want to say I tried to domy first project.
Actually, my first project washomework.
It was, uh, I, I went to ValleyView out in MoVal and we had
this like senior project wherewe were supposed to put all this
effort into this huge projectthat lasted the whole year and
(07:14):
at the end of the year, yeah,the project I came up with was a
, was a CD, and it was my firstproject and no one will ever
hear that it was horrible, itwas not good.
So it's about the growth right.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Definitely a lot of growth involved so I know you
said that essentially gettingthe woman to notice was a of a
driving factor, but when youbecame like because to me, not
only in emceeing, you're one ofmy favorite producers that I
hear.
So what is the passion behind?
(07:46):
Like your structure andproducing and engineering?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
man, uh, I.
I want to say it probably cameout of like not being able to
get beats from other people.
Um, really just wanted to teachmyself something doing doing
what I thought was dope um, andeventually I just, yeah, I got
sort of good at it.
I want to say like my firstreal, like real amazing beat was
(08:13):
probably like Yahtzee.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
That's a classic.
Thank you, check it out.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, a mentor of mine, you know 3D Beats.
He was in this, the IE hip hopscene before me.
I want to say we were kind ofjust messing around.
I don't even remember exactlyhow it started, but like someone
had some sort of board gamereference and they said it like
in a way where it was like acelebratory thing.
I was like I'm gonna have myown.
We played around with likeJumanji and I was like, oh, the
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Yahtzee, and 3 was like that'sit, that's the one.
And then I remember I just toldthis story to my wife yesterday
.
I was driving home listening toNPR and they're doing some kind
of story on like a celloist andI hear this like they played a
clip of her playing like asymphony or something.
And I hear it and I was like,oh my God, this is amazing.
(09:02):
I'm trying to grab my phone.
This is like Shazam days, right, where I'm like, oh, I don't
know the name of this song.
I'm trying to scramble to getmy phone so I can Shazam it and
find out what song this is.
I'm like please don't end,please don't end.
And I get like a little clip ofit.
(09:22):
I take it home, found outcelloist and yeah, I hear that
clip and I just knew likeinstantly, knew like oh, this is
the one, and it sort of helpedme understand like I could
really do this and startedtaking it really seriously.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
That's what's up.
So I tend to do this, I tend toventure off.
I have questions on the pageand I just start asking
questions because, um, what wasdope when we would work with
each other and I would be ableto sit in sessions with you?
I would like to pick your brainfor shit.
So you're one of the few whereI like man, like how's his brain
(09:56):
wired?
So when you, you would saycertain things like I remember I
can't remember what song wewere working on, but you had
said like I is, like I rememberI can't remember what song we
were working on, but you hadsaid like I, I took that, that
rhyme scheme from j cole on, uh,mr nice watch.
And I was like how the fuckdoes your brain pick up on that?
Because you'll tell me now youwant to do an extra this.
How's your brain work?
Like, like to just instantlycatch that man, that's you know
(10:17):
what.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So, uh, like when you hoop, right like when you're
playing basketball at least theway that I learned uh, someone
told me like you gotta envisionthe shot going in, right, right.
So it's like I, literally youknow, I used to be a nice
shooter, you know I'm sayingpeople expect me to be a center
because I'm tall.
But uh, like, I, I see thisinvisible track in the air and I
just see it going in.
I'm like, if I keep the ball onthis invisible, it will go in,
(10:40):
right.
So it's similar to that, likewhen I'm making music, it's
almost like as soon as I startto hear it, I, I hear like a
finished product and it's just amatter of plugging things in
right.
I'm like, okay, we're, we're,we're moving on this, this
section here where the verse isreally it's, it's moving in the
right direction.
We just need these ad-libsright here.
I could just hear it beforewe're even making.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Um, I don't know if that makes sense it makes sense
because you're a creative andlike you're a genius level
creative to me, like because wewould, we would work on things
and you would say things.
And I'm like how the fuck doeshis brain already compute that
before we're even like, we'renot even like 20% creative, and
(11:23):
then you're already having inyour mind what it's going to
sound like.
You're like you should do this,or if it would be dope if you
did this.
So there'll be a lot ofprojects like ah fuck, what song
was that Shit?
Even um study McFly.
And when you, when you were, uh, engineering that, you were
like at this, at that, then likeit would come out.
You're like how the fuck didyou already think about that
(11:43):
before?
And it would be somethingsubtle.
Yeah, it was something subtle,but you make it sound so much
more dope and you add layers toit, which is is a beautiful
thing that song is fire.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, listen to that song.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I just know, as a you're, to me it's genius level
work and I don't think peoplegive you enough flowers because
that shit's fucking crazy.
I, I don't know.
Anyway, I I guess that I tendto go off track, but let me get
back.
Um, so even with that, thething that I think is dope about
you and a lot of the peoplethat I bring on, uh, you don't
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just allow things to stop.
You kind of transition thatinto something else.
So I see that you do a lot ofstuff with your community and
mentoring with the youth.
So what sparked that interestand what continues to drive it?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Oh man, um.
So I want to say maybe 2015,.
I was doing music like fulltime.
Um, we're, we're going on tours, you know, like we're
constantly hitting like ArizonaSouth by Southwest.
Um, we got like a littlecircuit going between, oh, here,
those places also, we'd hit theBay area, um, and I had a
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friend reach out who was workingwith um, a nonprofit in the
past area, and was like, yeah, Igot these kids and they're
listening to Slim Jesus.
I think it was Slim Jesus, youremember Slim Jesus?
He was like a yeah, I got thesekids and they're listening to
Slim Jesus.
I think it was Slim Jesus.
You remember Slim Jesus?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He was like a meme rapper.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's not worth remembering.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's a terrible name.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not worth remembering.
But she was like they'relistening to this dude, like can
you come help make a musicprogram here?
And I was also in school at thetime.
You didn't have a degree inaudio engineering and I was also
in school at the time getting adegree in audio engineering.
So I was like I mean, this is,I'm going to school for this.
Like that, this is pretty dopeto find a position in this field
.
Yeah, and this nonprofit kindof wrote me a blank check Like
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what do we need to get recordinghere, to start recording here?
So I came on, I did that, builtthat recording program and I
just never left.
You know, like that wassomething I had done before too.
In in in MoVal I was um workingwith the school district.
I also worked in a coupleafterschool programs and working
with youth was something reallyimportant to me.
But I got away from that Um.
And then this opportunity fallson my lap and I realized how
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much I really like, loved it, um, that might even be you know
kind of why I started rapping tosome extent.
When I started taking itseriously, I was like I can make
an impact this way.
Pac has a quote, he sayssomething like I may not be the
one who changes the world, butI'll spark the mind that does.
And that's sort of myphilosophy too.
Doing this work allows me to beinvolved in the future change
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makers of our country, of ourworld.
So, yeah, I got thatopportunity, um, and I just
never left, man.
I really quickly moved up andwas able to.
I realized every time I movedup I'm making like exponential
change.
Right, and when I started I'mworking like one-on-one with
kids and I'm making a littleimpact, and then, not long after
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that, I got a group of kids andnow I got a whole site of, like
you know, 20, 30 kids and now II managed several sites.
So, and you know I didn't makethose decisions, you know,
lightly, because it was hard tomake those decisions right um,
to step away from working one onone with kids when you're
really feeling the impact to nowmanaging some sites where now
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every kid has a dice, you know,and now I get to help 70 to a
hundred kids have their own dice, is going to help them become,
you know, great young men andyoung women.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So that's what's up.
So you essentially went fromone-on-one to casting a bigger
net for yeah that's growth,that's growth.
She said every kid has a dice.
Yeah, that's growth.
She said every kid has a dice.
Yeah, that's dope.
So what is your best memory sofar on this new journey?
With helping.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh man, that's, that's a hard one because there
are so many, but I do.
I put together this leadershipcamp that I do annually and I
take basically three likeclasses of kid.
Right, there's the kids thatfor sure, you know our leaders.
They come into your club, theycome into your space, you know
they're a leader, they knowthey're a leader.
The kid who is on the fence,right, who could easily get like
(15:58):
the streets want them, becausethe streets see they're a leader
.
And oftentimes the street seesleaders before we do as adults
or teachers or parents.
But the streets they alwayscatch that and they're like, oh,
this is someone who can help usexpand.
So the kid who's on the fence,and then the kid who has
leadership potential and has noidea Right, they don't think
that they'll ever be a leader,they don't see it in themselves,
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they're not going for theseopportunities.
And I invite these kids up.
We go to Big Bear, we got cabins, we do all these cool
activities and part of what wedo is what we started doing was
this like passing of the torch.
So we have these establishedleaders, the ones that everyone
knows as leaders, and then wehave these incoming leaders and
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they literally like pass acandle, they pass a flame to
their candle and we givespeeches and we did this and we
had a kid who was like uh, kindof set off, like this domino
effect.
This kid was like look, I, Idon't have a parent, I don't
have a dad, I don't have a likea father figure in my life.
But, like I, I did get one whenI got you.
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And this is a kid who's likecoming to me every day and he's
like hey man, I, I just askedout a girl today.
I was like cool.
And hey man, I, I like I gotgood grades.
I was like, I mean, that'swhat's up, right, and it's
really easy to sometimes forgetto to give that a little more,
um, attention, because you know,again, I'm dealing with like 60
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kids and, like these small,they sometimes feel like small
things.
But then in context, right, Ihear like, oh, he's telling me
things like I'm his father and Inever connected those things
until I heard that and I waslike I didn't even know he
didn't have a father figure, henever shared that with me, so
this first time he shares thisand I'm like, oh, wow, bro, I
started crying.
I couldn't help but cry man,like, and then another kid's
(17:47):
like yeah, I also don't have afather, but you have shown me
what a father can be.
And I'm like, oh, all right, no, I'm not crying, you know what
I mean.
And like, everyone startscrying, everyone has this story.
That's like that.
And I'm really being told theimpact I'm making, because often
working with youth it's athankless job.
You know what I mean.
You don't do this to get thankyous or to be remembered,
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because if you're doing it forthat, you're wasting your time.
Sometimes the youth don't evenmake that connection until 10
years down the line.
Right, but to be in a room andbe stuck in a room where I'm
hearing these things about me,it's hard to hear good things
about yourself.
You know what I mean.
We live in a society where thatdoesn't always happen and I
essentially have every kid thatI care about, everyone that I go
(18:30):
to.
I go to work for these kidsevery day, essentially, and
they're all telling me thisimpact I'm making.
I was like, oh okay, yeah, I'mdoing the right thing, I'm in
the right field, and that was anamazing film.
That's what's up, man.
What is the importance forcommunity for you?
(18:52):
You know there's.
We can complain about a lot ofthings.
I'm guilty of that.
I complain about a lot ofthings too.
But eventually we got to likedecide, are we going to complain
or are we going to try to makea difference?
And I was already doing a lotof work in this community.
I thought I was, I felt like Iwas, and I met someone, a homie
(19:15):
of mine, and he essentially waslike look, let me show you some
other ways you could be making adifference.
And when he sort of opened thisdoor to me, I realized I'm
really not doing as much as Ithink I am.
There's people out here doing10 times as much.
I just need to learn like how.
And he showed me some differentways, how.
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And yeah, I sort of got hookedRight.
It's addicting, especially whenI look back at in my youth some
of the bad things I did.
Man, you know, I got caught upin the streets.
My parents were working hard toprovide for me and my siblings,
and for us that meant themhaving a job in LA.
That meant my mom was waking upat 4 am and she's not getting
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home till 7 pm, right, my popswas working nights in LA, so he
sleep all day and doesn't wakeup till 9 PM to go to work at 10
PM and then get home Not notuntil I were back from school.
So they were there.
You know they were providing,but there wasn't a lot of
interaction.
And again, the streets they seethings like that, they see that
and they know like this is anopportunity for us to move in
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and I got pulled into some ofthat stuff too.
And part of my interest in ingiving back to the community is
just making up for some of thethings that I did and I didn't
always get caught.
You know what I'm saying.
But it's not about atonementfor things that I got caught for
right.
It's like making things rightbecause it's just integrity
right, even if no one else knewthat I did these things.
I know I did these things.
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So giving back to the communityis an opportunity to try to
make some of those things rightand then also just be a mentor,
because I didn't have one.
You know what I mean and Iwonder what would my life have
been like if I had my own dicewhen I was a kid, if someone
took me under their wing in apositive way?
Now people took me under theirwing, but not in no positive way
yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, so I got to know this because I need, need
it.
Will we ever get another kingdice album?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
uh, that's a great question.
If I, if I come, if I hmm, if Icome up with another project,
it's going to have to be likespecial, it's gonna have to call
to me, it's gonna have to speakto me.
Um, I've explored the ideawhether that's like a, um, a
beat tape, which I don't thinkI've ever done a beat tape um,
(21:30):
I'm not opposed to hearing theright and I've still been
producing, like that's one thingI've never stopped doing right
trying to rob at gmailcom comeon now.
You already know what it is youalready know I'm gonna send you
something, um, but yeah, whetherit's a beat tape or I've
explored some really coolprojects, ideas I've even
started working on some and justkind of I don't know, it's just
(21:51):
got to.
It's got to be something thatreally keeps me connected and
grounded and I really, reallywant to do Because at this point
I'm really happy with what I'veaccomplished- as you should be.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Thank you those two albums classics.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Like I want to be able to be 80 or 90 or something
and look back on my life and belike this I'm happy with every
decision I made and I feel thatway now.
So in the moment there'snothing really speaking to me,
but I'm always open.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Do you have a working title?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Uh oh, this will be like an exclusive.
Now, I'm not sure if this isgoing to come out.
I doubt it, but I don't have aworking title.
But I can tell you the conceptof the project.
Okay, so it was a.
The concept was like you takeall of these horror concepts
right, like a werewolf, zombie,ghost, maybe monsters or
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whatever, and each song I had onthe project was in reference to
one of these things, but amodern explanation.
For example, right, the songthat might let's just say it was
called Ghosts was aboutghosting people, right.
So it's not necessarily about aphantom or a ghoul or something
like that.
It's about like when to letpeople go, and the concept is
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ghosts, right.
And then there's people go andthe concept is ghosts, right.
And then there's one wheremaybe the concept's like a
werewolf, right, and it's likeabout having that dog in you.
How sometimes you got to remindyourself I got that dog in me,
right, so it's, and then so onand so forth.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I I'm still all this you're more than welcome.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You're more than welcome.
I had the vampires who werelike the bloodsuckers in your
life.
That just take from you.
Um, I got pretty far into theproject and and a lot of it is
written.
None of it's recorded, butagain, I just kind of lost
interest in it.
So I'm not sure, I'm not sure,I'm not sure that's the short
answer you're a fucking genius.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Is that a temporary loss, like?
Like where you distract this,or you couldn't put the passion
in it, or and you feel, like you, you'll find it when, when the
time comes back?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I hope so.
You know, a lot of times it's,it's just that life gets in the
way man life is yes, yeah, lifebe life man, I bought a house.
You know, owning a house ishard yes yes, yes, we're not
gonna go down that road right,going from being able to be like
, hey, I got a problem, my ac,come fix it.
(24:16):
To like, oh, I got a problem, Isay I gotta fix it yeah and
figure out and learn how to doit like.
So I've been just experiencinglife and, uh, it's been
distracted, that's been thedistraction life does life yeah,
you still look excited talkingabout it, like it's still in
there.
I mean, yeah, you might wemight have a flute flute album
too.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I just walk the earth playing the flute so what
advice would you give to anyonefalling in your footsteps?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
oh man, uh, jump in both feet same time.
Do it I.
I don't regret anything.
Um, I really feel like I havethe life that I that I deserve.
Um I set out to do accomplish alot of things that I that I
have, you know going on tour,starting a label, meeting
amazing people like you,included.
(25:07):
Um appreciate that my journeyhas taken me, like in a mate, to
amazing places that otherpeople they'll they'll struggle
for or strive for their entirelife, and may not accomplish
those things.
So, yeah, I and I think I oweall of that to just trusting in
myself and jumping in.
So, um, yeah, if you want tofollow in those footsteps, do it
(25:29):
for sure.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, if you want to follow in those footsteps.
Do it For sure.
So what is your favorite RoyalGambling Club memory?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh, wow.
I have a lot of great memories.
Most of them have to do withour showcase.
So one cool thing that we didis, every year, because our
roster would change, thingswould change on the label we
would do like an RGC showcaseright, and it's something that I
sort of picked up from South bySouthwest.
There's a lot of showcases, andone thing that we would do I
(26:06):
want to say 2015 may have beenour first RGC set, and it was at
Common Ground, and CommonGround was at a bar called the
Vibe in Riverside, which used tobe a Coyote Ugly, and a Coyote
Ugly is a type of bar where thegirls are on top of the bar
standing up there dancing andpouring drinks.
So because of that, there was asection of the bar that was made
to stand up on, and I remembergoing to a set maybe a month or
(26:29):
two before our set, and peoplewere, someone stood up on the
bar and I was like that shit wasdope.
Oh, that was crazy, and I waslike I'm doing that during my
set.
So during the RGC set, 2015 wasthe first time I stood on the
bar and that was an amazingmemory for me because we you
know, the whole set was cool wehad.
We had everyone on the label atthe time do their own set, do
(26:50):
their songs like their mainsongs.
But there was a part where wekind of like hit the lights and
I think DJ Calligraphy, who wasthe DJ at Common Ground for the
longest, he helped me by hittingthe lights at a certain point
and this is in between songs andwhen the lights came back on it
went off and I was on the stageand when it came back on on, I
(27:11):
was on the other side of thecrowd on the bar.
That's dope um and that wasfire.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
That was like an amazing time, one of my best
memories ever I'm gonna tell youmy one of my, uh, most
memorable memories of you.
We were doing a show at themission tobacco lounge and, um,
I just remember you got theremaybe like 10 or 20 minutes
(27:39):
right before we were supposed togo on stage and you walked up
and your hand was wrapped and Igo, what happened?
You go, I just had to fucksomebody up and I said you said
it so nonchalantly and it justmade me go what the fuck like?
Because it was something like.
It was almost like you're likeoh, I just got some coffee.
But the, the look on your facewas like he's serious, he's not
(28:02):
bullshitting.
But I remember it because I'veseen all different sides of you.
But that one was just straightup, like took care of some
business, let's get the business.
And I fucked with it because itwas straight up.
It was like just had to fucksomebody up and you had your
whole fist wrapped.
But the effortlessness in itwas kind of like hey, nigga,
don't fuck with Dice.
(28:23):
That was what I took from itBecause you were like all right,
we still got a show to do.
But I remember that it alwaysstood out because it was just to
me.
It's the all different sides ofdice like, but it's to me a
dope side to see because I don'tthink everyone gets to see this
side well, let me say some.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know, sometimes you gotta pop out.
Sometimes this music industryputs you in situations and you
just gotta be ready.
I mean, kids, don't do that.
No, don't don't.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, that's not it's just to say sometimes you gotta
stand on business, and I sawthat in your face.
You weren't.
It wasn't that you were lookingfor the smoke, you just had to
let somebody know like yeah,that's how I took it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, that's how I took it exactly.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I was gonna say kids do exactly that.
Defend yourself, defendyourself for sure but it was
like I said, the way you reactedwas just kind of like oh, get
some coffee or something like itwas that energy, but it was
like.
But the look on your face waslike it's time you just got pop
out and shoot niggas, like so,um, I would usually look over to
des, but des isn't here.
(29:23):
Shout out to des, um, becauseshe always she has her number
one her criteria and she doesn'thear that on her list.
She feels some type of way, butwe got to know what is your top
five?
Dead or alive, mc.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, this is such a hard question.
This is such a hard question.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not hard, it's your list.
Okay, no pressure.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Because I was looking at it like is this?
You know, am I thinkingtechnical rappers Technique?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Am I thinking about like impactful?
To me Am.
I thinking about what we wouldall agree are like just the best
.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, you're thinking about what matters to you.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, what matters to you and all.
You can only listen to fivepeople.
Who are those five people?
Because I feel like your topfive can be the five people
you're going to listen to nomatter what.
So who are your top five?
So?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I feel like I have to combine all those things.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's going to have to be a little bit of like impact
a little bit of like importance,but I would say, um, jay-z,
hold on, we're going, thank you,are we?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
going one to five or five.
Can I get a gun shot?
Specific order.
Are we not going order?
No, okay, can I get a gun shot?
Because no one ever uses.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
He said jay there we go, there we go.
All right, jay-z um eminem yesokay um Jay-Z Eminem.
Yes, andre 3000.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So you said 3000, not OutKast, that's true.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's true.
They try to say OutKast as awhole, but yeah, I can't give it
to OutKast as a whole.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I mean I like Big Boi , but he ain't never really
touched my heart, Never.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That's different than what you said.
No, I say the same shit.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I ain't never said oh man, big boy went off.
You say this.
I ain't never heard anybody sayman, I'm really looking forward
to that big boy album well, hesays this.
You say it like big boy's justtrashed, because I tell you,
right now, big boy put out aflute album.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That shit is going brick right, right, right, well,
yeah ain't nobody talking aboutit don't nobody want to hear
big boy on a piccolo speaker boxlove below because we bought
that for love below but evenandre's flute album is nominated
for something.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I'm saying a big boy, try that shit, fuck, okay,
anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Um man, I'm, really I'm.
I'm on number five, right?
Yeah, no, four four you got twoleft all right, you can give a
six if you want, uh, I'm gonnasay kendrick lamar okay kendrick
lamar um which version?
Um, I want to say like rightnow?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
no, okay, right now.
He's west coasting.
Right now, yeah, the west coastrenaissance is a full effect
and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Um, he got that killer in him right now, for
sure, for sure.
He's blood in the water man.
He really on, like some greatwhite shark stuff right now it's
killing me.
Um, right, come on man.
Um, and I want to say there'sgot to be somebody sort of newer
um, not new, but newer that hasbeen impactful.
(32:13):
And I'm gonna say toby andwigway, okay.
Okay, I'll fuck with that.
I'll fuck with that.
He's a dope and what he standsfor is is fire.
I'll fuck with toby.
I agree, but if I did say sixin my heart, in my heart of
hearts keep going.
Oh well, I could probably go allday, but I'm gonna.
(32:34):
I'm gonna definitely have tothrow sugar free in there,
because I'm a west coast forsure.
Pomona, right, come on nowsmoking on that dojo as I come
on, man smell my finger manthere's things that sugar free
has said that I've incorporatedinto my personal philosophy,
like since, since, like I was alittle kid and I probably will
(32:56):
forever.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So like you told me times I got my ass.
People listen to sugar freewhen I wasn't supposed to man.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
But is it worth it though?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Absolutely.
I still play that shit today.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
All right, so what are your future ventures and
projects?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Um, Hmm.
Well, I want to say I know Iwish I did know, because I think
it's a great time to have agreat answer, but I don't.
I want to say a lot of peoplehave been encouraging me to
explore politics, local politicsespecially.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
You should.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Possibly in the future.
Right now I don't know if rightnow is a good time for that,
but maybe politics in the future.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'm going to have a you come on to Mo though.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm actually out here .
I'm in the San Antonio Passarea, so I live in Banning.
Okay, so maybe one day politicsso I can continue to make a
difference.
Right, I want to make adifference, but the thing that
keeps me from really jumpinginto politics headfirst is the
red tape.
Right now, when I want to makea difference, all I have to do
is have the wherewithal to getit done.
(34:06):
Nobody stops me, but dice.
But when it comes to politics,there's all this bureaucracy and
red tape and other things thatstop you and it's slow and I
don't like that Right?
So, maybe, politics, I wouldsay I have a bucket list of
things I just want to accomplish.
I want to write a book for kids,so it seems kind of random, but
(34:28):
again, for me it boils down towhen I'm 80 years old and I'm
looking back at life.
Am I going to be happy?
Am I going to be like Iaccomplished everything I want
to accomplish and I want to havea lasting impact on youth?
For right now, I feel like I'min a season of just legacy.
That's what my life's all aboutright now.
Is what's my legacy going to be?
(34:49):
I don't have kids of my own, sowhen I think about legacy, I
think about ways that I have alasting impact when I'm gone.
So that's where the children'sbook comes in and maybe politics
comes in, maybe a project, I'mnot sure.
I recently was helping a youththat used to be a mentee of mine
(35:09):
and now he's an adult and he'sa filmmaker and I helped him,
like, finish a documentary.
Oh, that's what's up.
So I got into a little bit offilmmaking and that's exciting.
I really don't turn downanything like if it's dope, if
it's creative, if it sounds fun,I'm pretty much down for it.
So ray tron rob at gmailcomright, for sure I was just
(35:30):
throwing it out there we'regonna have to come, man, you
have to come through and we'regoing to have to go through some
beats.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, I think that's how we get something out of both
of them.
Yeah, because the whole timeKev, I'm over here like he
pressuring Dice for an album,and we've been talking to this
nigga for over two years.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
he got amnesia, right right 2025.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I just things can change we hope so um, what I
will say is, when you said that,I instantly thought if your
political slogan could be but Idon't know, they'll be like it's
not appropriate roll with diceor sometimes you just got it and
just leave it dot, dot, dot,and then people are gonna fill
(36:09):
in the blanks, right, right.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
We're not going to say it, because if we do run,
they might run this back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'll vote.
I'll get all the neighbors,we'll be cool.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Sometimes We'll be cool.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But in closing I want to say, man, I think it's dope,
it's beautiful to see whatyou're doing.
I've always rooted for you,always believe that I said
you're a genius level talent.
I really hope we do get thisdice project because even when
you know McFly Lounge coming toyou, when you said that and I
(36:44):
said, dude, like it didn't evenfeel right hearing you say that,
when you said like this mightbe the last, I'm like no, no, no
, no, no.
When you said like this mightbe the last, I'm like no, no, no
, no.
We want to see future, futurethings.
Because you're one of the peoplein the ie that I can say is
unique your sound, the flow, theenergy, the stage presence, um,
the fact that, like you'realways willing to, uh, to, to
(37:07):
give advice and and um, kind ofgive little seeds of knowledge,
that to me, it's helped me evenwhen I started approaching
writing and everything like that.
So when I know that you'redoing that for the youth, I feel
like it's only necessary thatyou get your flowers, and I'm
glad that you were here today soyou can, we could at least give
you flowers.
(37:27):
Uh, I, I wish you nothing butthe best in your future
endeavors.
Again I say I hope we get thatproject.
Um, uh again, uh, ladies andgentlemen, give a round of
applause and put some respect onhis motherfucking name.
This has been talk your shitwith king dice thank you, yeah,
(37:50):
I appreciate you like, subscribeand comment.
All that shit.
We love you Till next time,peace.
Peace.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
This has been another episode of the Heavyweight
Podcast.
Talk your shit.
One thing about me, baby I'mshowing up every week to see who
coming to talk their shit.
Y'all better show up with me.
See you there, bye.
My journey has taken me to amazing places that other
people they'll struggle for orstrive for their entire life and
may not accomplish those things.
So yeah, and I think I owe allof that to just trusting in
myself and jumping in so yeah,if you want to follow in those
(00:20):
footsteps, do it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm big-boned.
I'm heavy-structured.
I'm hung low.
If I pull my shit out thiswhole room, do it.
I'm big boned, I'm heavystructured.
I'm hung low.
If I pull my shit out thiswhole room, get dark.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'ma tuck my shit.
Fat finger, let me tuck my shit.
Damn right, I'm gonna tuck myshit.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
IE in this bitch love'm going to just bring out
the backstory and we'll go fromthere.
I remember when I first got onthe scene I had a manager named
james barcelou shout out tojames and he had put me on uh,
the scene as far as, like, uhtrying to get me shows.
So there was this particularshow at the orange, at the
(01:25):
orange eos pavilion, some centerin san bernardino, and I just
gotten off of work, I walk in, Ido a set, I'm this is the first
time I'm initiated to meetingcam archer.
And then, after I do the set,it was raining outside and I'm
approached by a couple and theysay your set's dope, can we
(01:46):
interview you now?
Little did I know.
It was the couple that's inthis room today and uh, dice,
you cannot miss dice, right?
So he's a towering person.
So when he goes up to me he'slike man, you're, I think you're
dope, can I interview?
And we go and we do the, theinterview, um, with laurie, and
(02:11):
I remember thinking, okay, thisis dope, I like this energy and
fast forward.
A little later and uh, diesel,who was our previous guest, has
a song called monster mash, andhe goes.
Yeah, you know, I got a versefrom the homies and then king
dice and I said wait a minute.
And I said dice raps.
So I listened to the verse.
(02:33):
I'm like no, he didn't rap, hebodied the fucking verse.
And I was like when, when, whenis anybody gonna tell me this
shit?
Right?
So in in that instance, hebecame one of my favorite
artists.
Period, because the word,structure, the voice is very
powering, it catches your earinstantly.
So he became instantly one ofmy favorite artists.
(02:55):
Period, not just an IE, butperiod.
To have him here, to be able totalk his shit and and see that
the ability from, not just froma rapping perspective, but from
a creative entrepreneur, and, uh, the beats, the, everything I
just wanted to be able to bringhim here and and this is very,
(03:17):
very, very special for me uh,this man is not just dope in the
sense of music, but evenhelping this community.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give toyou this talk your shit episode
with king motherfucking dice.
Put some respect on his name.
How are you doing this morning?
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I'm doing good, that's a hell of an intro I try
to, I try to like.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm sitting there, you understand.
I was in the mirror trying tosay how can I hype this episode
up?
And, like I did this countlesstimes, man, like I said, just
like to be able to give you yourflowers, bro.
So I said, this means a lot tome that you're here, man.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Man, it means a lot to be here and I appreciate that
those are a lot of kind wordsand, man, those were some great
memories.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yes, yes, I remember that.
I remember like and the thingis, that night when I saw you
behind the camera when Lori wasasking the questions, you had
this like energy.
You could tell you love this,Like it's not something where
you're just doing this for thegimmick or the clout, you
(04:25):
literally have a love for it.
So when you see that smileinstantly come across your face,
it makes you feel welcome.
You know what I'm saying, so Inever forget that.
And you, you still have thatsmile.
So I like, I like you know whatI'm saying, so, um, yeah, so
when did you know you wanted todo music?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
man.
Um, you know it's funny.
I was thinking about this anduh, I would have to say, like
elementary school, I went tothis like gifted and talented
education program and it was alot like it was just a school
for performing arts, right?
So in this school everyone hasto sing, everyone has to dance,
we learn ballet, we playkeyboard, we're doing all the
(05:02):
arts you know, graphic art,painting, so it's like this
advanced curriculum and Istarted off singing and then
puberty hit and my voice did notkeep up.
I could not sing anymore.
Those notes started hitting alittle funny.
So I kind of left music behindfor a little bit.
(05:23):
But then I want to say, maybehigh school, you know, hip hop
just kept calling me, you know,kept calling me and started off
at the lunch tables.
We just would battle all thetime.
Some of my best friends I met,you know, through battling.
I mean shout out, shout out toHomie SoCal Sinatra.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
Shout out.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
And yeah, that's, that's when I for sure was like,
was like, okay, so music isstill going to be a part of my
life, it's just not going to bethe way it was.
And yeah, I picked up the micand never put it down.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Really that's what's up.
That's what's up, that's what'sup.
So when did you know you wantedto like, like, you're, like I'm
, that I'm an mc like this isfor sure my aunt, because I'm
telling you, when I heard thatmonster mass verse, I was like
this nigga bodied that shit ohman, um, you know I started off
on the block right there's a lot, of, a lot of the big homies.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We would just listen to whatever.
Whatever will come on, we startputting our ourself, you know,
our group, our click in in themusic, right.
So it's like, uh, stoop dogwould say two, one, three.
We would say two, one, two, andwe would just make our own
little versions of us, put ournames in it, and eventually I
was like, oh, I think I couldrecord this.
And I started teaching myselfhow to engineer, started
(06:31):
learning how to make beats, andthis was really just to impress
the girls, you know.
I mean.
So, like we're riding around inthe car, we're not putting on
the new snoop, or we're notputting on the new 50 cent,
we're putting on like us it waslike, oh, who is this?
I'm like, oh, girl, this is thisis us that's the homies.
Um, and then, yeah, sooner,sooner rather than later, I
started taking it kind ofserious.
The homes were like, oh man,like that little remix you did
(06:52):
was?
That was pretty cool.
Man, you should like thinkabout doing something original.
And I want to say I tried to domy first project.
Actually, my first project washomework.
It was, uh, I, I went to ValleyView out in MoVal and we had
this like senior project wherewe were supposed to put all this
effort into this huge projectthat lasted the whole year and
(07:14):
at the end of the year, yeah,the project I came up with was a
, was a CD, and it was my firstproject and no one will ever
hear that it was horrible, itwas not good.
So it's about the growth right.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Definitely a lot of growth involved so I know you
said that essentially gettingthe woman to notice was a of a
driving factor, but when youbecame like because to me, not
only in emceeing, you're one ofmy favorite producers that I
hear.
So what is the passion behind?
(07:46):
Like your structure andproducing and engineering?
Speaker 1 (07:51):
man, uh, I.
I want to say it probably cameout of like not being able to
get beats from other people.
Um, really just wanted to teachmyself something doing doing
what I thought was dope um, andeventually I just, yeah, I got
sort of good at it.
I want to say like my firstreal, like real amazing beat was
(08:13):
probably like Yahtzee.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
That's a classic.
Thank you, check it out.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, a mentor of mine, you know 3D Beats.
He was in this, the IE hip hopscene before me.
I want to say we were kind ofjust messing around.
I don't even remember exactlyhow it started, but like someone
had some sort of board gamereference and they said it like
in a way where it was like acelebratory thing.
I was like I'm gonna have myown.
We played around with likeJumanji and I was like, oh, the
(08:40):
Yahtzee, and 3 was like that'sit, that's the one.
And then I remember I just toldthis story to my wife yesterday
.
I was driving home listening toNPR and they're doing some kind
of story on like a celloist andI hear this like they played a
clip of her playing like asymphony or something.
And I hear it and I was like,oh my God, this is amazing.
(09:02):
I'm trying to grab my phone.
This is like Shazam days, right, where I'm like, oh, I don't
know the name of this song.
I'm trying to scramble to getmy phone so I can Shazam it and
find out what song this is.
I'm like please don't end,please don't end.
And I get like a little clip ofit.
(09:22):
I take it home, found outcelloist and yeah, I hear that
clip and I just knew likeinstantly, knew like oh, this is
the one, and it sort of helpedme understand like I could
really do this and startedtaking it really seriously.
Speaker 4 (09:35):
That's what's up.
So I tend to do this, I tend toventure off.
I have questions on the pageand I just start asking
questions because, um, what wasdope when we would work with
each other and I would be ableto sit in sessions with you?
I would like to pick your brainfor shit.
So you're one of the few whereI like man, like how's his brain
(09:56):
wired?
So when you, you would saycertain things like I remember I
can't remember what song wewere working on, but you had
said like I is, like I rememberI can't remember what song we
were working on, but you hadsaid like I, I took that, that
rhyme scheme from j cole on, uh,mr nice watch.
And I was like how the fuckdoes your brain pick up on that?
Because you'll tell me now youwant to do an extra this.
How's your brain work?
Like, like to just instantlycatch that man, that's you know
(10:17):
what.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
So, uh, like when you hoop, right like when you're
playing basketball at least theway that I learned uh, someone
told me like you gotta envisionthe shot going in, right, right.
So it's like I, literally youknow, I used to be a nice
shooter, you know I'm sayingpeople expect me to be a center
because I'm tall.
But uh, like, I, I see thisinvisible track in the air and I
just see it going in.
I'm like, if I keep the ball onthis invisible, it will go in,
(10:40):
right.
So it's similar to that, likewhen I'm making music, it's
almost like as soon as I startto hear it, I, I hear like a
finished product and it's just amatter of plugging things in
right.
I'm like, okay, we're, we're,we're moving on this, this
section here where the verse isreally it's, it's moving in the
right direction.
We just need these ad-libsright here.
I could just hear it beforewe're even making.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Um, I don't know if that makes sense it makes sense
because you're a creative andlike you're a genius level
creative to me, like because wewould, we would work on things
and you would say things.
And I'm like how the fuck doeshis brain already compute that
before we're even like, we'renot even like 20% creative, and
(11:23):
then you're already having inyour mind what it's going to
sound like.
You're like you should do this,or if it would be dope if you
did this.
So there'll be a lot ofprojects like ah fuck, what song
was that Shit?
Even um study McFly.
And when you, when you were, uh, engineering that, you were
like at this, at that, then likeit would come out.
You're like how the fuck didyou already think about that
(11:43):
before?
And it would be somethingsubtle.
Yeah, it was something subtle,but you make it sound so much
more dope and you add layers toit, which is is a beautiful
thing that song is fire.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Yeah, listen to that song.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I just know, as a you're, to me it's genius level
work and I don't think peoplegive you enough flowers because
that shit's fucking crazy.
I, I don't know.
Anyway, I I guess that I tendto go off track, but let me get
back.
Um, so even with that, thething that I think is dope about
you and a lot of the peoplethat I bring on, uh, you don't
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just allow things to stop.
You kind of transition thatinto something else.
So I see that you do a lot ofstuff with your community and
mentoring with the youth.
So what sparked that interestand what continues to drive it?
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Oh man, um.
So I want to say maybe 2015,.
I was doing music like fulltime.
Um, we're, we're going on tours, you know, like we're
constantly hitting like ArizonaSouth by Southwest.
Um, we got like a littlecircuit going between, oh, here,
those places also, we'd hit theBay area, um, and I had a
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friend reach out who was workingwith um, a nonprofit in the
past area, and was like, yeah, Igot these kids and they're
listening to Slim Jesus.
I think it was Slim Jesus, youremember Slim Jesus?
He was like a yeah, I got thesekids and they're listening to
Slim Jesus.
I think it was Slim Jesus.
You remember Slim Jesus?
Speaker 4 (13:08):
He was like a meme rapper.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
It's not worth remembering.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It's a terrible name.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, not worth remembering.
But she was like they'relistening to this dude, like can
you come help make a musicprogram here?
And I was also in school at thetime.
You didn't have a degree inaudio engineering and I was also
in school at the time getting adegree in audio engineering.
So I was like I mean, this is,I'm going to school for this.
Like that, this is pretty dopeto find a position in this field
.
Yeah, and this nonprofit kindof wrote me a blank check Like
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what do we need to get recordinghere, to start recording here?
So I came on, I did that, builtthat recording program and I
just never left.
You know, like that wassomething I had done before too.
In in in MoVal I was um workingwith the school district.
I also worked in a coupleafterschool programs and working
with youth was something reallyimportant to me.
But I got away from that Um.
And then this opportunity fallson my lap and I realized how
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much I really like, loved it, um, that might even be you know
kind of why I started rapping tosome extent.
When I started taking itseriously, I was like I can make
an impact this way.
Pac has a quote, he sayssomething like I may not be the
one who changes the world, butI'll spark the mind that does.
And that's sort of myphilosophy too.
Doing this work allows me to beinvolved in the future change
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makers of our country, of ourworld.
So, yeah, I got thatopportunity, um, and I just
never left, man.
I really quickly moved up andwas able to.
I realized every time I movedup I'm making like exponential
change.
Right, and when I started I'mworking like one-on-one with
kids and I'm making a littleimpact, and then, not long after
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that, I got a group of kids andnow I got a whole site of, like
you know, 20, 30 kids and now II managed several sites.
So, and you know I didn't makethose decisions, you know,
lightly, because it was hard tomake those decisions right um,
to step away from working one onone with kids when you're
really feeling the impact to nowmanaging some sites where now
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every kid has a dice, you know,and now I get to help 70 to a
hundred kids have their own dice, is going to help them become,
you know, great young men andyoung women.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
So that's what's up.
So you essentially went fromone-on-one to casting a bigger
net for yeah that's growth,that's growth.
She said every kid has a dice.
Yeah, that's growth.
She said every kid has a dice.
Yeah, that's dope.
So what is your best memory sofar on this new journey?
With helping.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh man, that's, that's a hard one because there
are so many, but I do.
I put together this leadershipcamp that I do annually and I
take basically three likeclasses of kid.
Right, there's the kids thatfor sure, you know our leaders.
They come into your club, theycome into your space, you know
they're a leader, they knowthey're a leader.
The kid who is on the fence,right, who could easily get like
(15:58):
the streets want them, becausethe streets see they're a leader
.
And oftentimes the street seesleaders before we do as adults
or teachers or parents.
But the streets they alwayscatch that and they're like, oh,
this is someone who can help usexpand.
So the kid who's on the fence,and then the kid who has
leadership potential and has noidea Right, they don't think
that they'll ever be a leader,they don't see it in themselves,
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they're not going for theseopportunities.
And I invite these kids up.
We go to Big Bear, we got cabins, we do all these cool
activities and part of what wedo is what we started doing was
this like passing of the torch.
So we have these establishedleaders, the ones that everyone
knows as leaders, and then wehave these incoming leaders and
(16:42):
they literally like pass acandle, they pass a flame to
their candle and we givespeeches and we did this and we
had a kid who was like uh, kindof set off, like this domino
effect.
This kid was like look, I, Idon't have a parent, I don't
have a dad, I don't have a likea father figure in my life.
But, like I, I did get one whenI got you.
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And this is a kid who's likecoming to me every day and he's
like hey man, I, I just askedout a girl today.
I was like cool.
And hey man, I, I like I gotgood grades.
I was like, I mean, that'swhat's up, right, and it's
really easy to sometimes forgetto to give that a little more,
um, attention, because you know,again, I'm dealing with like 60
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kids and, like these small,they sometimes feel like small
things.
But then in context, right, Ihear like, oh, he's telling me
things like I'm his father and Inever connected those things
until I heard that and I waslike I didn't even know he
didn't have a father figure, henever shared that with me, so
this first time he shares thisand I'm like, oh, wow, bro, I
started crying.
I couldn't help but cry man,like, and then another kid's
(17:47):
like yeah, I also don't have afather, but you have shown me
what a father can be.
And I'm like, oh, all right, no, I'm not crying, you know what
I mean.
And like, everyone startscrying, everyone has this story.
That's like that.
And I'm really being told theimpact I'm making, because often
working with youth it's athankless job.
You know what I mean.
You don't do this to get thankyous or to be remembered,
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because if you're doing it forthat, you're wasting your time.
Sometimes the youth don't evenmake that connection until 10
years down the line.
Right, but to be in a room andbe stuck in a room where I'm
hearing these things about me,it's hard to hear good things
about yourself.
You know what I mean.
We live in a society where thatdoesn't always happen and I
essentially have every kid thatI care about, everyone that I go
(18:30):
to.
I go to work for these kidsevery day, essentially, and
they're all telling me thisimpact I'm making.
I was like, oh okay, yeah, I'mdoing the right thing, I'm in
the right field, and that was anamazing film.
That's what's up, man.
What is the importance forcommunity for you?
(18:52):
You know there's.
We can complain about a lot ofthings.
I'm guilty of that.
I complain about a lot ofthings too.
But eventually we got to likedecide, are we going to complain
or are we going to try to makea difference?
And I was already doing a lotof work in this community.
I thought I was, I felt like Iwas, and I met someone, a homie
(19:15):
of mine, and he essentially waslike look, let me show you some
other ways you could be making adifference.
And when he sort of opened thisdoor to me, I realized I'm
really not doing as much as Ithink I am.
There's people out here doing10 times as much.
I just need to learn like how.
And he showed me some differentways, how.
(19:35):
And yeah, I sort of got hookedRight.
It's addicting, especially whenI look back at in my youth some
of the bad things I did.
Man, you know, I got caught upin the streets.
My parents were working hard toprovide for me and my siblings,
and for us that meant themhaving a job in LA.
That meant my mom was waking upat 4 am and she's not getting
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home till 7 pm, right, my popswas working nights in LA, so he
sleep all day and doesn't wakeup till 9 PM to go to work at 10
PM and then get home Not notuntil I were back from school.
So they were there.
You know they were providing,but there wasn't a lot of
interaction.
And again, the streets they seethings like that, they see that
and they know like this is anopportunity for us to move in
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and I got pulled into some ofthat stuff too.
And part of my interest in ingiving back to the community is
just making up for some of thethings that I did and I didn't
always get caught.
You know what I'm saying.
But it's not about atonementfor things that I got caught for
right.
It's like making things rightbecause it's just integrity
right, even if no one else knewthat I did these things.
I know I did these things.
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So giving back to the communityis an opportunity to try to
make some of those things rightand then also just be a mentor,
because I didn't have one.
You know what I mean and Iwonder what would my life have
been like if I had my own dicewhen I was a kid, if someone
took me under their wing in apositive way?
Now people took me under theirwing, but not in no positive way
yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Yeah, so I got to know this because I need, need
it.
Will we ever get another kingdice album?
Speaker 1 (21:09):
uh, that's a great question.
If I, if I come, if I hmm, if Icome up with another project,
it's going to have to be likespecial, it's gonna have to call
to me, it's gonna have to speakto me.
Um, I've explored the ideawhether that's like a, um, a
beat tape, which I don't thinkI've ever done a beat tape um,
(21:30):
I'm not opposed to hearing theright and I've still been
producing, like that's one thingI've never stopped doing right
trying to rob at gmailcom comeon now.
You already know what it is youalready know I'm gonna send you
something, um, but yeah, whetherit's a beat tape or I've
explored some really coolprojects, ideas I've even
started working on some and justkind of I don't know, it's just
(21:51):
got to.
It's got to be something thatreally keeps me connected and
grounded and I really, reallywant to do Because at this point
I'm really happy with what I'veaccomplished- as you should be.
Speaker 4 (22:04):
Thank you those two albums classics.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Like I want to be able to be 80 or 90 or something
and look back on my life and belike this I'm happy with every
decision I made and I feel thatway now.
So in the moment there'snothing really speaking to me,
but I'm always open.
Speaker 4 (22:22):
Do you have a working title?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Uh oh, this will be like an exclusive.
Now, I'm not sure if this isgoing to come out.
I doubt it, but I don't have aworking title.
But I can tell you the conceptof the project.
Okay, so it was a.
The concept was like you takeall of these horror concepts
right, like a werewolf, zombie,ghost, maybe monsters or
(22:49):
whatever, and each song I had onthe project was in reference to
one of these things, but amodern explanation.
For example, right, the songthat might let's just say it was
called Ghosts was aboutghosting people, right.
So it's not necessarily about aphantom or a ghoul or something
like that.
It's about like when to letpeople go, and the concept is
(23:11):
ghosts, right.
And then there's people go andthe concept is ghosts, right.
And then there's one wheremaybe the concept's like a
werewolf, right, and it's likeabout having that dog in you.
How sometimes you got to remindyourself I got that dog in me,
right, so it's, and then so onand so forth.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
I I'm still all this you're more than welcome.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
You're more than welcome.
I had the vampires who werelike the bloodsuckers in your
life.
That just take from you.
Um, I got pretty far into theproject and and a lot of it is
written.
None of it's recorded, butagain, I just kind of lost
interest in it.
So I'm not sure, I'm not sure,I'm not sure that's the short
answer you're a fucking genius.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Is that a temporary loss, like?
Like where you distract this,or you couldn't put the passion
in it, or and you feel, like you, you'll find it when, when the
time comes back?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
I hope so.
You know, a lot of times it's,it's just that life gets in the
way man life is yes, yeah, lifebe life man, I bought a house.
You know, owning a house ishard yes yes, yes, we're not
gonna go down that road right,going from being able to be like
, hey, I got a problem, my ac,come fix it.
(24:16):
To like, oh, I got a problem, Isay I gotta fix it yeah and
figure out and learn how to doit like.
So I've been just experiencinglife and, uh, it's been
distracted, that's been thedistraction life does life yeah,
you still look excited talkingabout it, like it's still in
there.
I mean, yeah, you might wemight have a flute flute album
too.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
I just walk the earth playing the flute so what
advice would you give to anyonefalling in your footsteps?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
oh man, uh, jump in both feet same time.
Do it I.
I don't regret anything.
Um, I really feel like I havethe life that I that I deserve.
Um I set out to do accomplish alot of things that I that I
have, you know going on tour,starting a label, meeting
amazing people like you,included.
(25:07):
Um appreciate that my journeyhas taken me, like in a mate, to
amazing places that otherpeople they'll they'll struggle
for or strive for their entirelife, and may not accomplish
those things.
So, yeah, I and I think I oweall of that to just trusting in
myself and jumping in.
So, um, yeah, if you want tofollow in those footsteps, do it
(25:29):
for sure.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, if you want to follow in those footsteps.
Do it For sure.
So what is your favorite RoyalGambling Club memory?
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh, wow.
I have a lot of great memories.
Most of them have to do withour showcase.
So one cool thing that we didis, every year, because our
roster would change, thingswould change on the label we
would do like an RGC showcaseright, and it's something that I
sort of picked up from South bySouthwest.
There's a lot of showcases, andone thing that we would do I
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want to say 2015 may have beenour first RGC set, and it was at
Common Ground, and CommonGround was at a bar called the
Vibe in Riverside, which used tobe a Coyote Ugly, and a Coyote
Ugly is a type of bar where thegirls are on top of the bar
standing up there dancing andpouring drinks.
So because of that, there was asection of the bar that was made
to stand up on, and I remembergoing to a set maybe a month or
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two before our set, and peoplewere, someone stood up on the
bar and I was like that shit wasdope.
Oh, that was crazy, and I waslike I'm doing that during my
set.
So during the RGC set, 2015 wasthe first time I stood on the
bar and that was an amazingmemory for me because we you
know, the whole set was cool wehad.
We had everyone on the label atthe time do their own set, do
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their songs like their mainsongs.
But there was a part where wekind of like hit the lights and
I think DJ Calligraphy, who wasthe DJ at Common Ground for the
longest, he helped me by hittingthe lights at a certain point
and this is in between songs andwhen the lights came back on it
went off and I was on the stageand when it came back on on, I
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was on the other side of thecrowd on the bar.
That's dope um and that wasfire.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
That was like an amazing time, one of my best
memories ever I'm gonna tell youmy one of my, uh, most
memorable memories of you.
We were doing a show at themission tobacco lounge and, um,
I just remember you got theremaybe like 10 or 20 minutes
(27:39):
right before we were supposed togo on stage and you walked up
and your hand was wrapped and Igo, what happened?
You go, I just had to fucksomebody up and I said you said
it so nonchalantly and it justmade me go what the fuck like?
Because it was something like.
It was almost like you're likeoh, I just got some coffee.
But the, the look on your facewas like he's serious, he's not
(28:02):
bullshitting.
But I remember it because I'veseen all different sides of you.
But that one was just straightup, like took care of some
business, let's get the business.
And I fucked with it because itwas straight up.
It was like just had to fucksomebody up and you had your
whole fist wrapped.
But the effortlessness in itwas kind of like hey, nigga,
don't fuck with Dice.
(28:23):
That was what I took from itBecause you were like all right,
we still got a show to do.
But I remember that it alwaysstood out because it was just to
me.
It's the all different sides ofdice like, but it's to me a
dope side to see because I don'tthink everyone gets to see this
side well, let me say some.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know, sometimes you gotta pop out.
Sometimes this music industryputs you in situations and you
just gotta be ready.
I mean, kids, don't do that.
No, don't don't.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Yeah, that's not it's just to say sometimes you gotta
stand on business, and I sawthat in your face.
You weren't.
It wasn't that you were lookingfor the smoke, you just had to
let somebody know like yeah,that's how I took it.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
Yeah, that's how I took it exactly.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I was gonna say kids do exactly that.
Defend yourself, defendyourself for sure but it was
like I said, the way you reactedwas just kind of like oh, get
some coffee or something like itwas that energy, but it was
like.
But the look on your face waslike it's time you just got pop
out and shoot niggas, like so,um, I would usually look over to
des, but des isn't here.
(29:23):
Shout out to des, um, becauseshe always she has her number
one her criteria and she doesn'thear that on her list.
She feels some type of way, butwe got to know what is your top
five?
Dead or alive, mc.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Oh, this is such a hard question.
This is such a hard question.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's not hard, it's your list.
Okay, no pressure.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Because I was looking at it like is this?
You know, am I thinkingtechnical rappers Technique?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Am I thinking about like impactful?
To me Am.
I thinking about what we wouldall agree are like just the best
.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, you're thinking about what matters to you.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Yeah, what matters to you and all.
You can only listen to fivepeople.
Who are those five people?
Because I feel like your topfive can be the five people
you're going to listen to nomatter what.
So who are your top five?
So?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I feel like I have to combine all those things.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
It's going to have to be a little bit of like impact
a little bit of like importance,but I would say, um, jay-z,
hold on, we're going, thank you,are we?
Speaker 4 (30:17):
going one to five or five.
Can I get a gun shot?
Specific order.
Are we not going order?
No, okay, can I get a gun shot?
Because no one ever uses.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
He said jay there we go, there we go.
All right, jay-z um eminem yesokay um Jay-Z Eminem.
Yes, andre 3000.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I like that one.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
So you said 3000, not OutKast, that's true.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's true.
They try to say OutKast as awhole, but yeah, I can't give it
to OutKast as a whole.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
I mean I like Big Boi , but he ain't never really
touched my heart, Never.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
That's different than what you said.
No, I say the same shit.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
I ain't never said oh man, big boy went off.
You say this.
I ain't never heard anybody sayman, I'm really looking forward
to that big boy album well, hesays this.
You say it like big boy's justtrashed, because I tell you,
right now, big boy put out aflute album.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
That shit is going brick right, right, right, well,
yeah ain't nobody talking aboutit don't nobody want to hear
big boy on a piccolo speaker boxlove below because we bought
that for love below but evenandre's flute album is nominated
for something.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
I'm saying a big boy, try that shit, fuck, okay,
anyway.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Um man, I'm, really I'm.
I'm on number five, right?
Yeah, no, four four you got twoleft all right, you can give a
six if you want, uh, I'm gonnasay kendrick lamar okay kendrick
lamar um which version?
Um, I want to say like rightnow?
Speaker 4 (31:43):
no, okay, right now.
He's west coasting.
Right now, yeah, the west coastrenaissance is a full effect
and I'm here for it.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Um, he got that killer in him right now, for
sure, for sure.
He's blood in the water man.
He really on, like some greatwhite shark stuff right now it's
killing me.
Um, right, come on man.
Um, and I want to say there'sgot to be somebody sort of newer
um, not new, but newer that hasbeen impactful.
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And I'm gonna say toby andwigway, okay.
Okay, I'll fuck with that.
I'll fuck with that.
He's a dope and what he standsfor is is fire.
I'll fuck with toby.
I agree, but if I did say sixin my heart, in my heart of
hearts keep going.
Oh well, I could probably go allday, but I'm gonna.
(32:34):
I'm gonna definitely have tothrow sugar free in there,
because I'm a west coast forsure.
Pomona, right, come on nowsmoking on that dojo as I come
on, man smell my finger manthere's things that sugar free
has said that I've incorporatedinto my personal philosophy,
like since, since, like I was alittle kid and I probably will
(32:56):
forever.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So like you told me times I got my ass.
People listen to sugar freewhen I wasn't supposed to man.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
But is it worth it though?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Absolutely.
I still play that shit today.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
All right, so what are your future ventures and
projects?
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Um, Hmm.
Well, I want to say I know Iwish I did know, because I think
it's a great time to have agreat answer, but I don't.
I want to say a lot of peoplehave been encouraging me to
explore politics, local politicsespecially.
Speaker 4 (33:33):
You should.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Possibly in the future.
Right now I don't know if rightnow is a good time for that,
but maybe politics in the future.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
I'm going to have a you come on to Mo though.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
I'm actually out here .
I'm in the San Antonio Passarea, so I live in Banning.
Okay, so maybe one day politicsso I can continue to make a
difference.
Right, I want to make adifference, but the thing that
keeps me from really jumpinginto politics headfirst is the
red tape.
Right now, when I want to makea difference, all I have to do
is have the wherewithal to getit done.
(34:06):
Nobody stops me, but dice.
But when it comes to politics,there's all this bureaucracy and
red tape and other things thatstop you and it's slow and I
don't like that Right?
So, maybe, politics, I wouldsay I have a bucket list of
things I just want to accomplish.
I want to write a book for kids,so it seems kind of random, but
(34:28):
again, for me it boils down towhen I'm 80 years old and I'm
looking back at life.
Am I going to be happy?
Am I going to be like Iaccomplished everything I want
to accomplish and I want to havea lasting impact on youth?
For right now, I feel like I'min a season of just legacy.
That's what my life's all aboutright now.
Is what's my legacy going to be?
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I don't have kids of my own, sowhen I think about legacy, I
think about ways that I have alasting impact when I'm gone.
So that's where the children'sbook comes in and maybe politics
comes in, maybe a project, I'mnot sure.
I recently was helping a youththat used to be a mentee of mine
(35:09):
and now he's an adult and he'sa filmmaker and I helped him,
like, finish a documentary.
Oh, that's what's up.
So I got into a little bit offilmmaking and that's exciting.
I really don't turn downanything like if it's dope, if
it's creative, if it sounds fun,I'm pretty much down for it.
So ray tron rob at gmailcomright, for sure I was just
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throwing it out there we'regonna have to come, man, you
have to come through and we'regoing to have to go through some
beats.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Okay, I think that's how we get something out of both
of them.
Yeah, because the whole timeKev, I'm over here like he
pressuring Dice for an album,and we've been talking to this
nigga for over two years.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
he got amnesia, right right 2025.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
I just things can change we hope so um, what I
will say is, when you said that,I instantly thought if your
political slogan could be but Idon't know, they'll be like it's
not appropriate roll with diceor sometimes you just got it and
just leave it dot, dot, dot,and then people are gonna fill
(36:09):
in the blanks, right, right.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
We're not going to say it, because if we do run,
they might run this back.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:18):
I'll vote.
I'll get all the neighbors,we'll be cool.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Sometimes We'll be cool.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
But in closing I want to say, man, I think it's dope,
it's beautiful to see whatyou're doing.
I've always rooted for you,always believe that I said
you're a genius level talent.
I really hope we do get thisdice project because even when
you know McFly Lounge coming toyou, when you said that and I
(36:44):
said, dude, like it didn't evenfeel right hearing you say that,
when you said like this mightbe the last, I'm like no, no, no
, no, no.
When you said like this mightbe the last, I'm like no, no, no
, no.
We want to see future, futurethings.
Because you're one of the peoplein the ie that I can say is
unique your sound, the flow, theenergy, the stage presence, um,
the fact that, like you'realways willing to, uh, to, to
(37:07):
give advice and and um, kind ofgive little seeds of knowledge,
that to me, it's helped me evenwhen I started approaching
writing and everything like that.
So when I know that you'redoing that for the youth, I feel
like it's only necessary thatyou get your flowers, and I'm
glad that you were here today soyou can, we could at least give
you flowers.
(37:27):
Uh, I, I wish you nothing butthe best in your future
endeavors.
Again I say I hope we get thatproject.
Um, uh again, uh, ladies andgentlemen, give a round of
applause and put some respect onhis motherfucking name.
This has been talk your shitwith king dice thank you, yeah,
(37:50):
I appreciate you like, subscribeand comment.
All that shit.
We love you Till next time,peace.
Peace.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
This has been another episode of the Heavyweight
Podcast.
Talk your shit.
One thing about me, baby I'mshowing up every week to see who
coming to talk their shit.
Y'all better show up with me.
See you there, bye.
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