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Why aren’t we teaching our daughters to defend themselves?
In this powerful episode of The Heavyweight Podcast, we sit down with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt, instructor, and content creator Matt Veiga of OS Nation BJJ for a raw, eye-opening conversation on the life-saving importance of self-defense.

With over 16 years of martial arts experience—ranging from intense MMA cage fights to leading jiu-jitsu classes—Matt shares how the discipline, confidence, and resilience built on the mat transform lives beyond it.

“When I train women, I don’t expect them to win the match. My job is to keep them alive,” Matt states, driving home the critical need for real-world self-defense training, especially for women and children.

We also dive deep into parenting, gender stereotypes, and the moment Matt’s daughter stepped onto the mat—his proudest jiu-jitsu moment. This episode challenges outdated perceptions and explores how martial arts can raise confident, self-aware, and safe kids without compromising who they are.

Plus, Matt shares golden advice for content creators: why consistency is king, and how his content legacy is about more than views—it's about impact.

Whether you're a parent, martial artist, or creator, this conversation will shift your mindset.

📲 Follow Matt Veiga @Oss_Nation_BJJ on all platforms.
 🎧 Tune in and find out why his philosophy is reshaping jiu-jitsu and parenting alike.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
little girls don't want to learn how to throw a
football, so maybe some do.
Maybe there are some that wantto hoop there are, but maybe
they.
If you're like, hey, you coulddo that or you could do this
elective and you can go learnhow to protect yourself, just in
case when you're walkingoutside of fucking Walmart and
some fucking dude you know whatI mean.
You're like you're ready, Ifeel like.
Why Like?
Why are we not training with somany predators in this world?

(00:23):
Why are we not training littlegirls how to protect themselves?

Speaker 3 (00:27):
I agree.
I'm big boned.
I'm heavy structured.
I'm hung low If I pull my shitout.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
This whole room gets dark.
I'm going to talk my shit.
That finger let me talk my shit.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
So we have a dope.
This is dope because of what itrepresents and the the fact
that this is even in a biggerwheelhouse, of knowing that we
work for the, that same companythat always tries to yeah, but

(01:22):
this is another dope episode Ialways say that, but I always
mean it when I say it of talkyour shit Right.
Uh, I remember this man fromwhen I was in package and I went
to Romo land and I used to seehim on the belt and I didn't
realize that I'd had class withhis brother for package and I

(01:44):
had had class with his brotherfor package and I would talk
with his brother and we'd chopit up about martial arts and I
didn't realize that when I heardhim talk one day, I realized
the connection.
I was oh shit, they're brothersand I even know their cousin
who also does martial arts, andI'm like, well, shit, all right.
So this is, for me, is dope,because every time that I see

(02:05):
him at work, if you ever he's,he's, he's an open book he'll
let you know exactly what youwant to know about things.
As far as content creation, hehas his own podcast.
He also is an instructor injujitsu.
I feel like he's one of therealest dudes you'll ever meet,
as far as just straight up.
And I, every time, I, I, Inever tell you this map, when,

(02:27):
every time I walk up to you, I'mlike is he sizing me up to what
?
My ass?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I don't fight for free guys.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
But anytime that I've ever walked up to him and asked
him a question about eithercontent creation, he's gave me
game.
Um, he's dope.
When you uh, he's a father,he's uh, uh, you can tell he's
very passionate about what hedoes.
Um, I I've I've followed himheavily and closely about the,
the things that he does withjujitsu and just content

(03:00):
creation in general.
Um, I like to welcome him here.
Can you guys also welcome himhere gracefully?

Speaker 1 (03:08):
this is matt vega of os bjj yeah, os nation bjj god
damn that was a hell of afucking introduction hey, I just
like I said sometimes he glazeshey, hey, hey, I'm floating
right now.

Speaker 6 (03:26):
This is a whole pause-worthy conversation.
Oh.

Speaker 4 (03:31):
I just give credit and show love where it's due.
Man, you ain't got quiteglazing man, I mean sometimes
glazing is necessary.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Hey, glaze away, fuck , glaze me.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 5 (03:41):
That came out wrong.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
That came out wrong.
Pause.
Well, no, that came out wrong,but hey, pause Pause.
I almost say pause.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
Zach.

Speaker 6 (03:47):
Morris time out.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
But no man, I appreciate it.
I like what you guys are doinghere.
I've been listening this lastweek back in the catalog just
kind of get the vibe of the show.
You know what I mean, becauseyou know I like to be prepared
for what I'm walking into andyou know it's a predominantly
black podcast.
I'm like, okay, I'm not sayingI'm nervous, because I love

(04:10):
attention and I love the cameraand I can talk.
Matt has always been a pleasureto have in class but talks too
much so I can vibe with anybody.
But you know, coming in here Iwas like man, am I like the
Jackie Robinson of theheavyweight podcast?
Am I breaking color barriershere?

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I mean, you're not the first white person.

Speaker 6 (04:28):
Yeah, we done had a couple white folks.
I didn't go that far in thecatalog.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
We had my man right here.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
We had personal here personal so he looked like
Justin Dabbs him, but like yeah,we did have personal too.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
But to me, you know, I All right.
Yeah, we didn't have personaltoo, but to me, you know, I'll
be Satchel Paige then that'sfine.
Oh, that's fine, he was a badplayer.

Speaker 3 (04:49):
I don't really count Brett as a white guy.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, you think he's black.

Speaker 6 (04:54):
He white.
That's a nigga.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, I appreciate you guys having me on here.
You guys are doing very, verywell.
I love the flow that you guyshave.
Having a four or five man teamis very, very hard in a podcast
to not talk over each other andI'm sure probably in the first
couple episodes you guys weredoing that a lot, but now you
guys, it seems like the lastfour episodes you guys really
found a good rhythm here whereyou guys can flow really really

(05:19):
good.
Who's?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
in the laze in there.

Speaker 4 (05:22):
I'm welcoming it.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
It could.
I'm doing the laser now.
Hey, I'm welcoming it, hey,both ways.
So like I really really likethat.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
It could be a circle, jerk.
Hey, I was telling, let himcook.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I was telling Mitch.
Mitch is my boy.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
Shout out Mitch, Shout out, Mitch yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I was telling Mitch I'm like, yeah, for a five-man
team or a four-man team, theyreally do flow good.
It has a good flow and thetopics it's kind of like an
apartment pool.
It's a little deeper than Ithought.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
It's really not that hard, matt.
Half the time McFly's tired.
Des is high.

Speaker 6 (05:53):
Kevin is drunk, I'll be here floating.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
It's 9 o'clock but it's like 9 pm for me.

Speaker 3 (06:02):
Hey, the party don't stop until I walk in.

Speaker 6 (06:05):
Everybody know I'm the nine o'clock you know, but
like it's like 9 PM, hey, theparty don't stop till I walk in
Everybody.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
No, I'm the life of the party.
Yeah, pleasure, pleasure to behere, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 6 (06:11):
We are happy to have you, thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
So how long have you been doing jujitsu for?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I've been doing martial arts my whole life, but
like from Like, from like seven,my mom put me in and but I did
MMA about 20 years of like.
I did the cage fighting thingfor a minute and then just
jujitsu probably 16 years.
Wow, so whole, yeah, my wholesurgeries, the whole thing.
You can always tell by the neck, Broke my face, broke my

(06:39):
orbital, all that kind ofeverything.

Speaker 6 (06:41):
You know what I mean?
Like we pretty much just beenin it.
Yeah, that sounds fun.
You broke your face.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
It sounds fun, I broke my eye Socket Nose the
whole.
Thing.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, well, he's, he's fighting.

Speaker 1 (06:51):
When I was doing like the you know Crazy cage
fighting stuff, yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:56):
I'm okay with breaking my nose and my eyes,
like if I win the fight, right,if I lose, it's like I know.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
In the OG days you'd pay to do it.
I remember my first day goinginto an MMA class.
I walked in I can see that andthe guy, my athletic career was
already so hoop, I playedbasketball every day, all day.
And then after that I was likewhat am I going to do with my
life?
My cousin's like you should tryMMA, like UFC we're watching on
TV.
I was like I'll give it a shot.

(07:22):
I went into a school thatwasn't an MMA school so I quit.
It was kind of underground backthen.
Some guy's like hey, youlooking for MMA.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Oh, you're doing them backyard shit.
I'm like yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
He's all the real shit.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
I'm like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
He's like, oh, I've got this guy in this garage.
I went and I fucking you knowhe had like a basket of laundry
and shit.
And I was like, hey, we'rehitting pads over here and he's
like you ever fought before.
And I was like no, he's likeall right.
Well, they just pretty muchjumped me, they fucked me up oh
damn.
And then they're like all right,practice tomorrow.
And then I showed up the nextday and then they started

(08:00):
teaching me stuff, so you know,and then I kind of got into MMA,
had a couple of bad kneeinjuries.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Man, I hate to break it to you, but I think you're
part of a gang.

Speaker 6 (08:06):
Yeah, it sounds like you got jumped in.
You got jumped in, I'm notlying.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yeah, you're probably right, yeah.
And so then I, you know, started, got a couple of knee injuries
but kind of quit doing thefighting thing because you know,
I was like 24 at the time.
So you know, I didn't think UFCmaybe, like I didn't think that
was going to ever be an optionfor me because of my age, I
started too late.

(08:32):
So then I started doinggrappling and Brazilian Jiu
Jitsu and I just kind of fell inlove with it and so ever since
I've been doing that and thenand when did you know this is
like.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
This is what I'm dedicating my life to, and that
once did you know?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
this is like.
This is what I'm dedicating mylife to.
I just feel like it's such astress relief and it's such a
you build such a confidence whenyou know that like you you're,
that if you want it.
You know what I mean.
Like I, I think it's.
It's very, very good for kids.
I think it's very good for anykind of like.
Just martial arts has justtaught me to like it's not that

(09:09):
serious, you know what I mean.
And like it's a passion,something you want to do.
So I just fell in love with it.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
It sounds like post-nut clarity without regret.
Oh my Jesus.
Oh yeah, that's actually agreat.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
No, I'm like, yeah, I'm going to cuddle for a while.

Speaker 6 (09:26):
You know, what I mean like I'm done, but like yeah,
yeah, let's, I won't leave rightaway.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Let's get breakfast in the morning.
You know what I?

Speaker 6 (09:30):
mean, yeah, I'm tired of y'all.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
That's that.
That was actually a great yesno, 100 like it's like I'm like
it was like.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
That's what it's all like because sometimes after
that post night you're like man,I should have did this shit
fuck yeah, why do I put pussy onthe side of my asshole?

Speaker 1 (09:45):
The job we hate, though, has been beneficial for
me because them tons of otherco-pays I've had like four knee
surgeries.
If I without this job, there'sno fucking way.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
I would still be in the game.
This is not related to that,but when I went to an emergency
three months ago, whatever itwas, and my copay was like $25.
And the lady next to me, theywere like, oh, that'd be $450.
I said oh yeah, and she pulledout a card.
I said you about to pay that?
I said you know they charge youright, they can bill you.

Speaker 6 (10:16):
I'm not paying the bills.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
No, bro, I don't know how people make it on.

Speaker 5 (10:19):
That's my last job and I just I learned that you
can go.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Oh, just bill me yeah just bill me, cause my copay is
25 and I'm like just bill mebill me and I ain't gonna pay
that.
I'm not gonna pay it because Irealize they can't put medical
bills on your credit so now Inever pay you just bill me
interesting.

Speaker 5 (10:38):
I didn't even fucking know that I knew that shit it
doesn't affect your credit atall just mail me $250 the two
black guys knew, okay, anywayyou know why cause this shit?

Speaker 6 (10:54):
good, naturally, I didn't know.

Speaker 4 (10:57):
I had no idea stay scheming okay they trying to get
at me so I gotta know thisyou're honest, have you beaten
your brother chris in a like,like a fight?

Speaker 1 (11:12):
yeah, uh, I'm like eight years older than chris.
Chris is my little brother.
I love that kid like uh he'sgonna be honest honestly, like
he's like.
I remember praying for him tobe born you know what I mean so
like that's my guy.
I would never.
I've never came to anythinglike that.
I would die for that kid, sookay no, that's the good.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
That's the good.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
We did have some wwe matches, okay, when we were
little and I, he has beenrazor's edged and powerbombed
and uh I used to tell him mybaby sister.
So I know you.
So all that.
Yeah, yo sis.
Yeah, you know, I remember onetime we'd oklahoma drilled them
where we like I used to trusthim, my baby sister, so I know
you.
So all that, yo sister.
Yeah, I remember one time we'dOklahoma drill them where we
like speared into a cow.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, brother, little big brother
stuff.
That's what boys do.

Speaker 4 (11:54):
I may or may not be responsible for some cousin's
setback.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Go ahead, but physically, physically, me and
him ever got into it.

Speaker 4 (12:03):
No, never no.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Okay, never.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
Even just sparring.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I would.
No, no, I mean he's kind oftrained before we've rolled.
But I mean, but you got him inheight and size, I've got him
well in size.
Well in size.
And yeah, different dads youknow.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Mom, mom, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
You're trying to say you had better genes.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
I'm not saying, I'm just saying my dad was bigger
than his dad.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
You know, shout out to chris, um, what are your
favorite things in teachingjiu-jitsu?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I like watching people grow, um, confidence and
I like getting DMS.
Like, dude, that move youshowed or like, so, like,
especially when I train women,when I have women in class, like
I trained them different, Idon't expect women to win the
match.
My job is to keep them alive.

(12:58):
So I can teach you how totriangle arm, but I put someone
to sleep, all that stuff.
You're going to learn that.
But again, a guy hastestosterone, a guy's bigger.
So when I'm rolling with it,when I have girls rolling with
guys, uh, there's a timer goingon around time where I'll be
like three minutes till helpcomes.
Whatever help may be, I justneed you to stay alive.

(13:19):
I need you to find a safe spot.
I need you to protect yourself.
You know what I mean, because,off, I hits at the ground.
So instilling confidence inpeople physically you know what
I mean Like I think is a goodthing and I think it provides a
service that you know I'm very,very passionate about.
Um, I wish that, uh, if morepeople law enforcement

(13:39):
especially, or anybody, knew howto really, really defend
themselves, they wouldn't haveto use that tool.
You know what I mean.
Yeah, you know what I mean,like they wouldn't have to go
that extra limit like you couldhave easily detained that person
if you knew how to detain thatperson so.
I feel like there's a loss andespecially in like police

(14:00):
academies and stuff like that.
They're there.
People are putting cops out sofast because everybody the world
is growing and crime is growingregardless, so they're throwing
these cops out there.
They don't know dick, theydon't know shit, so they don't
know how to.
They don't know how to stopsomebody, so they were quick to
the taser, they're quick to theto the weapon.
So I like to build, knowingthat I'm helping build

(14:22):
confidence where someone's likeno, I don't need that, I can
just take this guy down or I myway to win this without clicking
.
Somebody hits his head on acurb now he killed himself on
accident.
Now I'm in jail, you know, Imean, like I, a non-violent way
to finish a person.
I like be able to provide thatfor people and confidence.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
It's a little violent well, I mean it's very violent
but it's a better alternativethan a felony they're going to
walk away from it, I just thinkmore.

Speaker 5 (14:52):
Martial arts teaches you to be mindful as well too.
So you'll think before you act.
So it's like I also feel likethat has to be a part of it.
You're not just oh, it's justattack, like you said.
You're like let me find a wayto do this this way.
It's not nonviolent.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
No, no, no.
It a way to do this this way.
It's not non-violent.
No, I'm saying it's a differentlevel of focus.
It's like targeted focus.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
I think you're right about putting it in the police
academies, but with the amountof times that they're snatching
children, it might be reallygood for kids to start learning
young as well.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
That's what I wanted my child to do.

Speaker 6 (15:27):
So that they can protect themselves.
Your daughter doing great atwhat she's doing Her.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Mama want her there, I want her to have hands.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Y'all are going to be rich.
It's so important for your kids.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
If she's flexible now I'm pretty sure she can get.
Her legs are strong.
When she get a chokehold, shechoke them up.

Speaker 6 (15:44):
Why can't she do both ?
Okay, I told you $10, a lot.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
You think I'm finna pay for something else you did
tell me it cost a lot when I wasselling ass.

Speaker 6 (15:49):
We need to go find me .

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Why you ain't trying to show your ass.

Speaker 5 (15:52):
That's why he's losing weight anyway.
He trying to sell his ass.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
That's exactly why why did you go with ass and not
penis.
Hey, I'm not gay.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
That's a fabulous question.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
I'm not gay, but $20 is $20.
Hey, I.

Speaker 5 (16:08):
Oh God.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
There's a market for brothers and feet pics.
I know you guys don't like it.
I mean.
I mean.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
I'm about to sell.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
After watching, brothers don't like to show
their toes.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Most of us.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
After seeing Shaq, my feet are glorious.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
We got Shannon Sharp feet a lot of times.
Yeah them feet, Hold on.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
This is I'm really into it, kevin.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I was feed a lot of yeah, they'll feed hold on.
This is unrelated too, kevin.
I was watching White Chickslast night, oh god, and I
realized that Shannon Sharp isLatrell.

Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yes, he is easy white chocolate.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yes, yes, he is when I put that correlation together,
I couldn't stop laughing.
Yes, he is, that's definitelyLatrell.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
That's hilarious oh God damn, that movie couldn't
make it today.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
Hell no.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
I do think it is important for daughters and
little girls to learn how todefend themselves.
I wish that there was any.
I mean, I definitely promoteBrazilian Jiu-Jitsu because I
think all fights hit the groundand if you know how to fight off
your back because you trip overa curb or a table or a scuffle,
even in boxing it's not realbecause the ref says, break it

(17:24):
up, break it up it always endsin a clinch.
So clinch, get you down, Boom,it's over.
So I feel like Jiu-Jitsu.
I'm a proponent for that.
But I think any type of martialarts in a physical education in
elementary school, in themiddle school, would be so
beneficial, especially forlittle girls, Because breaking
news little girls don't want tolearn how to throw a football.

(17:45):
Maybe some do.
Maybe there are some that wantto hoop.
There are, maybe there are somethat want to hoop.
There are, but maybe they.
If you're like hey, you coulddo that or you could do this
elective and you can go learnhow to protect yourself, just in
case when you're walkingoutside of fucking walmart and
some fucking dude, you know whatI mean.
You're like, you're ready Iagree I feel like why are we not
training with so many predatorsin this world?
Why are we not training littlegirls how to be protect

(18:08):
themselves?

Speaker 6 (18:09):
I agree, I totally agree definitely but, I also
would be that day.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I would just record and tell her not to stop.
Let's keep opening his ass,yeah yeah oh, it's out there.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Hey, there's some girls in our academy that just
mangle little boys dude.
Absolutely wreck them damn, Ibelieve it.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
I like that girl, girl power as you cook period as
you said, that you had a videoof yours that I watched recently
where you were talking abouttaking your daughter to train
and that it gave you a high tobe able to train with your
daughter, and then you realizedshe was excited to train with

(18:46):
you as well, and then youbrought the rest of the parents
to bring their daughter.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, so yeah, I always look forward to like
putting my daughter in jujitsu.
So my wife was like no, I don'twant my daughter to be a
lesbian.
Oh, damn she's like please, Iwant her to be a girly girl, do
not put her in this barbaricsport, right.
And I'm like it's not like that.
But my wife is not a proponentfor jiu-jitsu.
She thinks it's dumb.

(19:12):
She sees how hurt I am all thetime.
She's like no, I, I'm againstit.
And I was like well, when she'sseven, she's getting in because
she has to get in, because ifsomething happened to her and I
knew how to and I was able tohelp her and I didn't, I could
never live with that.
So at seven she came in.
She was all about it becauseshe's been watching it for years
and I've been doing a littledrills for her on in the house.

(19:33):
So she was like rich, oh, Iknow how to do this.
So she was ready to go and justby like seeing her excitement
and like that was probably thehighlight of my jiu-jitsu career
.
I know it's one of thequestions, but that was probably
the highlight of my jiu-jitsucareer, which I thought, maybe
getting my black belt or winninga championship here or there,
but like watching her like beexcited and like wanting to do

(19:53):
something that I'm so passionateabout, like it was like a very
a game changer for me and uh,that's probably like the best
moment of my jiu-jitsu career sofar is just like seeing how
excited she is about it andshe's like obsessed with it.
Now like sorry honey, you loston that one.

Speaker 6 (20:08):
You know what?
I mean, and she'll still bedainty.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah.
So I mean I don't think Iwouldn't care if my daughter was
a lesbian.
I don't care Whatever.
Like love who you want to love,right, but she doesn't want her
to be like.
She wants her to be girl.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
You know what I mean and I'm like that's out there.
My wife just is not interested.
I can tell you this man Tellyour wife that my child is
gangsta and girly, Becauseshe'll paint her nails and then
hit you in the face.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
But that's.
I think a girl should be likethat.
Shout out to.

Speaker 6 (20:42):
Phoenix, that's my girl.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
I think a real dainty girl is vulnerable.
Yeah, I vulnerable, yeah, yeah,yeah you're.
I mean, you are absolutelyright.
There may be maybe back in theday that could have been uh,
okay, when a man only worked,but now women are in the
workforce and you got to be ableto.
They're out there and there'screeps at every job and like you

(21:07):
got to be able to be like fuckoff you know it's creeps walmart
.

Speaker 6 (21:10):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say just at the gas
station everywhere we go yeah,yeah, women are prey animals.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
You ain't gotta go to walmart.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
There was, look here this the little boy, my I said.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
I told my daughter if you make fun of your name one
more time, punch him in hismouth no, I remember there's
this young lady she was at thegas station I used to work at,
like have to go at three in themorning and like, because her
nails the way they were, shecould slide her card into the
slot.
And she was like, excuse me,can you help me?
And I'm like imagine, if itwasn't me right, I was helping
you, like that could have wentany sort of way three in the

(21:41):
morning, but that's but stillnot always the and the predators
be looking safe yeah, yeah, 100, you don't know you never know
it's hard.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's it's so hard to be a woman with online predator.
Girl on girl bullying is likeso bad in school it's like the
worst.
I've got two boys with thesquab and out throw hands like
okay okay, we're cool like yeahme, and andy had beef.
Oh, we met up.
We fought.
One of us lost the next day.
We're cool, we're sitting.
We're cool.
Me and Andy had beef.

(22:11):
We met up, we fought.
One of us lost the next day.
We're cool, we're probably coolsitting in the office waiting
for the principal to break it up.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't know, man.

Speaker 6 (22:20):
If it don't have bad to be my ass, we might not be
cool, I might be fightingrevenge.

Speaker 5 (22:25):
These boys is baddies .

Speaker 6 (22:27):
These boys is bad bitches.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
The online bullying is what's what?
The girls just talking shitlike, oh she's a slut.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
She's this she's this .

Speaker 1 (22:36):
She slept with this guy, even though she didn't.
You know what I mean.
Like that, that shit's fuckedup, and I mean that is brutal.
Like it never ends because theynever.
There's never a conflict wherethey solve it, it's just shit
talk.
And that's why I'm teaching mydaughter to punch them,
motherfuckers, in the mouth yeahyeah, so they know there's
consequences that fuckers spreadin the dirt on my name
absolutely, I tell you, you willnever be in trouble for

(22:56):
defending yourself.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
No, no, fuck, no, now don't start shit, but end it.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
End it, yes all you need is one good fight.
That's it.
And then the girls are like.
Remember what she fuckinglittle girl in second grade.
No, leave her alone, she's notthe one.

Speaker 6 (23:11):
I don't know, these bitches like to come back.
I kept whooping the same girl'sass in the seventh grade.

Speaker 4 (23:16):
You didn't whoop it enough.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
No, I was whooping that girl's ass.
One time I beat her up so damnbad she had a knot on her head.
They called my mama like listen, we might have to call the
police on her.
I just need to kill you.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
I made a connection just now.
You ever notice in elementaryschool that the girls that were
really good at tetherball werethe ones that were whooping
everybody's ass.

Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yes, the same motel.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yes, because I'm 90% sure that Tishka was whooping
everybody's ass.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, that's training .
What for the ass, just who?
Yeah, that's training.
What for?

Speaker 4 (23:50):
the ass Just what?

Speaker 3 (23:52):
But what matters is I had one fight in high school
and when he had to get hisbraces put back on, no one
messaged me.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
I got my ass whooped in ninth grade and I had been
training.
I was doing fake martial arts,so karate and stuff.
There's some shit that's McDojo, some bullshit out there.
That shit don't work.
That shit's kicking littlepaddles and balloons and stuff.
There's some shit that's McDojo, some bullshit out there.
That shit don't work.
That shit's kicking littlepaddles and balloons and shit.
That shit's phony.
You said McDojo.

Speaker 5 (24:15):
Yeah, Some fake ass baloney ass fucking martial arts
.
I kind of like that shit.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
There's some bullshit out there.
So the traditional you're doingboxing, you're doing wrestling,
you're doing judo, you're doingjujitsu, you're doing I'm
scared kushin karate and wangchung and fucking whatever that
shit's whack so if they hearthis man, they want to challenge
you.
I'm just going forward to you,that's fine uh, right, I don't

(24:40):
fight for free, uh, but um, so,like I, it's like I'm gonna
fight this fucking kid.
I was like oh, he's big.
He kept punking me for my pizza.
My mom's kind of old schoolmom's like You're gonna fight
this guy tomorrow.
So I've been paying For theselessons, you're not gonna be in
trouble, put your hands on,punch him in the nose.
I'm like I'm gonna hit thismotherfucker and then the
teachers are gonna Break it up.

(25:00):
No, I hit this motherfucker.
The teachers did not Break itup back.
No, jiu-jitsu training.
And he was on top of mepunching on me.
I'm covering and I'm thinking.
So where these fucking teachersat at a big crowd of kids, the
kids stopped for a minute likeman, my hands hurt and then he's
fucking just kept going.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (25:19):
like I got.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
You didn't swing when he stopped I was trying to punt
, I was turtled up.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
So like, I got mangled as a kid.
And then don't, don't ever tellthe all good.

Speaker 6 (25:29):
Hey, you learned from your losses, you know, what I
mean, I'm gonna tell you aWalmart story when we finish
this did you get a rematch?

Speaker 1 (25:34):
fuck, I didn't want a rematch.
I was Apollo Creed, I was.
I don't want no rematch, hesaid I was Apollo it's all good,
there ain't gonna be no rematch.
I was like it got fuckingpummeled me so like I.
I never got that one back, butI'll take that shit now for free
.
I would fight that motherfuckerfor free where you at.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Jeremy, jeremy from Wargat no no and if you see this
, jeremy, we'll go ahead andwe'll broadcast live from the
fight.
I'm ready now if your name isJeremy and you just want to test
it, no, we need the.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Jeremy, no, I need that kid from Laguna Beach.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
Oh damn, he's not a kid.
No more Laguna Jeremy.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
He's Laguna, jeremy, jeremy, from.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Laguna Kids and shit, Just like I forgot about my
band.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
He was an eighth grader, I was a sixth grader, I
think.
Oh, he needs to in the internet.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
It is what it is, and so you learn from your losses.
You know what I mean.
He's scaring the internet.
He's like oh, I was waiting forthis.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Goddamn rematch, yes even on the loss, he didn't back
to my result.
Even after the loss, he didn'tfuck with me anymore oh, that's
respect he's like they wentthrough hands.
I can't take his pizza no more.
You know what I mean.
Like he over.
But if it was two girls, thatshit talk would have just kept
going it doesn't end for thegirls yeah like my daughter's

(26:54):
got really, really curly hairand, um, there's girls in her
class saying that her hair isugly, so she can't.
She's like so self-consciousabout her hair.
She has beautiful curly hairand me and my wife are like nah,
your hair is gorgeous.
These girls are just hatingbecause they don't.
My daughter wants to get get ashort haircut and get rid of her
hair.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
We ain't gonna let her do that.
I can relate to that shit.

Speaker 6 (27:17):
Well, if she sees this I want you to know that I'm
sure your curls are stunningand they just hating on you
because they want some curls too.
I'm hating on you because Iain't got no curls.
He bald as a baby.
He ain't got nothing to attachthe curl to and we was going to
give him some curls.

Speaker 3 (27:34):
I didn't even recognize you, but you lost a
lot of fuck to the weight.
Thank you, bro.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
He half of him baby.
Appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
I'm trying to get my AJ wig, you're not going to say
anything.

Speaker 6 (27:41):
You're not going to say anything.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
You're not going okay , go ahead now.
Say it normally, dez wouldcompliment me and I'd be like
Dez, stop trying to fuck.

Speaker 6 (27:50):
Oh, I mean no, no, uh , uh, cause, uh, uh, uh, uh no
she always hardening my storiesand shit.
Stop trying to fuck becauseyour wife is on.
Stop trying to fuck you, tryingto fuck both of us.
That's the problem.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
I told you your wife got a better chance than you do
if there was somebody in theroom that, yeah, that she could
attach that to.
She's the closest.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Your wife has a better chance of me trying to
sleep with her than you do.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
We're interviewing Matt.
This is not about you andyou're a long shot.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
Oh God, she likes real meat, the warm kind.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
So can you clarify gi or no gi, and which do you
prefer?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Gi is the jiu-jitsu, is the karate outfit.
That's gi.
No gi is basically like a rashguard in the fight shorts.
That's Gi no Gi is basicallylike a rash guard in the fight
shorts.
Generally the public will sayno Gi is better.
But I think Gi is betterbecause everybody's wearing
shirts, everybody's wearingpants, everybody's wearing
backpack.
You know what I mean.
Unless you're fighting on SouthBeach, I would take Gi as more

(29:05):
of a real-life fight scenarioand it's kind of like wearing a
weighted bat in baseball.
Nogi is very slippery, so youcan slip out of a lot of
submissions.
You can slip out of a lot ofstuff that like you can do not.
Technically gi is no slip, solike you have to defend
everything perfectly, so it kindof teaches you proper defense.

(29:26):
So when you take the gi offyou're just great.
So definitely gi is what Iprefer.
But they're both awesome.
If you're doing any of themyou're way ahead of the curve.
An average blue belt whichtakes about two years to get at
the adult level, um can handleshit against most people in a
hand-to-hand situation.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
So they're both good you know what I think?
That's dope.

Speaker 6 (29:54):
I didn't know what either thing was, so that I feel
educated now, especially ifyou're like, I throw hands, I'm
Tom O'Leary, jack Johnson,somebody.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
If that's you imagine having confidence on the ground
.
So even if you watch him, a man, if you guys do the law time,
the jujitsu guy with no handswill put hands on the peer
striker guy.
Who with hands, because thepeer striker is so scared of
hitting the ground that hedoesn't throw big punches with
the jujitsu guys, like I want tobe on my ass anyways and he

(30:26):
just lets loose.
So like the confidence ofknowing that, like, and he just
lets loose.
So like the confidence ofknowing that, like, the worst
spot you can imagine is being onthe ground is where I'm most
dangerous, opens up your handsand you just be like, go ahead.
Oh no, she pulled me by thehair, she took me down.
Oh, that's fine, now I'm on.
Now, I just swept you, now I'mon top.
Yeah, that was a bad idea.

(30:53):
You should not have done that inanything in life is the best
you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
It's the only way to actually build.
Yeah, exactly exactly yeah.
And as a parent, how do youfind balance in working being an
instructor and a contentcreator?

Speaker 1 (31:03):
um, being an instructor?
Um, kind of just kind of fellinto my lap.
My professor was like hey, youwant to take over the?
I took over the 6 am class,which was kind of just kind of
fell into my lap.
My professor was like hey, youwant to take over the?
I took over the 6am class,which was kind of good training
early before my family wakes up,doing stuff, sacrificing sleep
to build a brand.
Like I make sure that I have myquality time with my wife and my

(31:24):
kids, but when they're notaround I'm always hustling
scheduling posts.
Sunday night You're like man,you post like 12 to seven times
a day.
They'll be like how do you dothat?
Sunday night I post, have themall scheduled and sometimes
randomly I'll throw one outthere, but usually they all this
boom, boom, boom.
So I'm not doing work duringthe week on some of my stuff and

(31:46):
it's coming out scheduled wise.
You know what I mean.
I have my podcast time and allthat.
But I was kind of raised by mygrandparents for content
creation and they had a big partin my upbringing.
But you know they passed on andthey there was no.
There was camera cords butthere was no video, no audio of
my grandparents and I kind offorgot what they sounded like.

(32:08):
I'm starting to forget themmore than I remember them.
So I was like I don't want, Iwant to live forever and I want
to be able to like.
And some of the stuff I sayisn't good and my kid, my, it's
kind of some of it can be cringy.
But I know my great greatgrandkids.
When I'm in hospice and theylook up they're just typing

(32:28):
grandpa's name.
So much stuff, uh there's.
They're gonna be like one dayI'm gonna have a great grandkid
to stumble head to weightpodcast with, with papa vega,
like what the here?
I didn't even know this existed.
This random audio like I'meverywhere and I feel like I
didn't even know this existed,this random audio Like I'm
everywhere and I feel like Ijust wanted to live forever.
So that's why my main purpose ofcontent creation was to I just

(32:52):
don't want to be known as a UPSguy or just irrelevant.
Not many people know who theirgreat-great-grandfather was
unless you really make an impact, know who their great great
grandfather was unless youreally make an impact.
And I feel like you know thejiu jitsu community and they've
kind of like my followers havekind of like embraced me, like

(33:13):
they're like you're the guy youknow.
They're kind of like we, likewe with this guy.
So to me I'm like I'm thankfulfor them and I'm thankful for
everybody who's kind of helpedme, um, grow.
But you know, so now my is'sjust booming.
I want you to hit 10,000followers.
It just takes off.
So that's got to be your guys'goals.
Get to 10k.
And don't fucking buy thosemotherfuckers.

(33:34):
Don't, because that will ruinthe whole algo.
But don't buy them, but they'llcome, because I already can
tell you guys have a goodchemistry and all you gotta do
is keep putting out, keepputting out, keep putting out.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
And that's why I tell my wife just keep putting out,
I'll keep getting skills.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, I tell my wife that too bro oh hell.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
As long as you're putting out everything will be
okay, don't encourage it.
You just have to have the 48hour rule.
We have a 48 rule.
I can't do that becausesometimes schedules be rough A
sex is a 40-hour rule.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
I can make a move on my wife.
She can say no, oh, that way.
Okay, she can say no and I haveto.
Okay, she's not in the mood, Iget it, but she's got 48 hours
to make a move on me.

Speaker 6 (34:15):
Oh, I like that that keeps it spicy.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I know it's coming in the next 48 hours.
It's her move.
I'm not going to get shut downtwice.
I'm too big of an ego for that.
But she has 48 hours to okay.
All right, you turn it down andvice versa, which I never turn
that shit down, but it's a48-hour, I get it.
Sometimes she's tired, she'smomming, she's handling shit,

(34:40):
she works.
She does a lot of shit when I'mnot around, when I'm doing shit
like this, you know what I mean.
So she shuts me down like nottonight.
I know within 48 hours she'sgonna come up to me and be like
hey, and I'll be like oh, okay,sweet.
So he said that kind of keepsit going for us.

Speaker 4 (34:55):
sometimes I want to leave work early he says he
knows it's coming, and thenthey're coming, then we're
coming dude, sometimes realquick.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Those would be the best ones.
Yes.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
For me, yeah, get in the house, Not for her.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Not for me, like when she come quick, I'm like dude
you done.
Oh well, shit, don't let meLock in.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
I roll over, I'm sleeping, all of a sudden, hey,
put on her backpack fuck around,fuck around.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Put spicy mayo on that rose spicy mayo on the rose
.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's fucking diabolical bro.
That's fucking hey, that'sfucking mean dude, yeah
should've woke me up.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
You're an ass spicy mayo wow, yeah, you have to live
with that, though, like, justlike, yeah, you gotta lay right
next to her.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I know Spicy mayo, wow, yeah you have to live with
that, though, just like.
Yeah, you got to lay right nextto her, I know.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
I know you in a way already have elaborated to a
degree what's one thing you wishpeople understood more about
jiu-jitsu and content creation.
Even you know.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
It's not easy, but nothing in life is easy.
Right, um, life is not easy.
Um, content creation is noteasy.
When you first start, the onlypeople are going to be liking
your shit is me, my uncle,peepaw, their brother, the
people that you fuck with.
Um, I mean, then maybe, yeah, Ihave helped me, my partner have
helped grow a very, verypopular podcast.
We have like almost 300 000downloads.

(36:28):
Like we're really like top 50 inlike the fighting sports spot,
but that's because we put thework in and because I had grown
my social media so high.
It helped like develop it,helped kind of fast track it.
But, like we put the work inand at first we weren't getting
the views right away, but it's asteamroll effect.

(36:49):
You know what I mean.
And, uh, being real, beinghonest and just being, that's
what people want, a lot ofpeople.
You'll get like the barbershopwith lebron, right, and you're
like I, we look up to these guys, but I know, but we can't like
we're.

(37:09):
They're not us though, yeah,because they it's like we can't
like.
So our the bjj balance podcastwe're just two dudes who do
jujitsu, who are dads who workhard, who are trying to provide
for our families, and ourfollowers resonate with that.
So at first it's not gonna growfast, it's not, but consistency
is what gets it.

(37:30):
When people go to your page andthey like heavyweight podcast
and look at it like oh shit, 200episodes.
Oh I fuck with these guys.
If they go on there and they'relike four episodes, are they
even gonna podcast next week?
Right, you have to build alibrary first.
Um, so yeah, that that's it,just consistency.
And it's not easy and it's hard, and you're gonna, in jujitsu,

(37:53):
you're gonna get hurt, but, um,are you ready to, uh, be there
when you need to be there foryour family?
It what's it?
Was it worth being hurt?
Is the juice worth the squeeze,so to speak?
So if you're passionate aboutsomething, it's not work.

Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
Facts.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
So that's, that's just hard, just it's, it's not
easy.
Not even content Grant is noteasy.
Talking, learning your voice,listening, talking, learning
your voice, listening to yourvoice, everybody who starts uh,
a podcast.

Speaker 6 (38:27):
The first thing they say is like I hate the way I
even sound on me fucking everyday, every day, for every day
and now you're like oh, I knowwhat I said three years in man,
I still hate the way I sound butyou sound like shit, though I
know I'm I appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (38:37):
I'm like I appreciate the feedback.
We work together, we understand.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
I know that you guys work together yeah, but no, I
mean finding your voice, findingyour rhythm, finding your
timing, being able to look intothe camera when you talk.
All that stuff takes practicereps you guys just do it, yeah.
So yeah, finding your rightteam.
You know what I mean.
We might make some cuts soon.
No, you ain't too manybackpacks, you got to just do it
, yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
So yeah, Finding your right team.
You know what I mean.
We might make some cuts soon.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
No, you ain't Too many backpacks.
It's a lot of money.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
It's a lot of money you got to divide a lot of money
over here.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
It's a lot of slices of pie, a lot of pieces of cake.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
It's like the backpack.

Speaker 6 (39:18):
Anybody pay no attention.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
He loved, in my opinion, he loved me and he made
fun of me every episode becausehe knew I think you're safe.
The girl dynamic is huge for apodcast.

Speaker 6 (39:27):
I think I'm safe too, because the people love me, and
he loved me, and he loves me,and he loves me.
I'm here for big tissues.
You love me, I'm here for bigtissues too.

Speaker 5 (39:37):
I got a question yeah , go ahead six and a half inches
on the side well, I know.

Speaker 6 (39:42):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Six and a half inches .
So good, my God.
Was that soft or hard?
Why is there a?

Speaker 1 (39:48):
follow-up.

Speaker 6 (39:49):
Don't get hard brother.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Why is there a follow-up?

Speaker 6 (39:52):
What the fuck?
He's selling ass and followingup questions.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
All right, you got me Six, but if I lean my back I
get a little extra, not if Ilean my back back.

Speaker 6 (40:01):
I mean, I thought he back back I mean, I thought he
was advertising.

Speaker 3 (40:06):
I want to make sure the ladies are all in for him.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
He got a wife.
We don't do that here.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
We don't know.

Speaker 6 (40:10):
They might be open.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
He got a wife.
The dance is open.
I'm not a listener.

Speaker 6 (40:14):
He has a wife.
We don't do that here.
My wife responded.

Speaker 5 (40:17):
Why don't you tell somebody who's looking to get
into jujitsu what to look for ina gym, or something like that?

Speaker 1 (40:26):
You're going to want to.
Yelp reviews are always good,obviously.
Now that you know me, you canjust DM me Like what about this
place and I'll tell you if it'slegit or not.
Okay, but just the kids kidsclass.

(40:47):
If the kids class is vibrantand it's flourishing and the
instructors are good with thekids, you're probably in a good
spot.
Okay, if there's no, if there'sno kids in any kind of gym or
thing like that, the kidsprograms is how you can tell if
they're actually teaching theright things.
Because if the parents have agood radar like if you're
treating your kid right or ifyour kids are doing good, if
they have no kids, then you knowit's probably.

(41:08):
And there are creeps in jujitsu.
Don't get that fucking twisted.
People are human, you know whatI mean.
So you got to make sure youfind the right place.
You're not in some mcdojobullshit, but uh, for the most
part you can look up the lineageof your professor by his rank,
by his belt, all that kind ofshit.
There's a lot of ways to tell.

Speaker 5 (41:26):
I'll help you out, bro.
You want to start?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I've been wanting to for some people, let's get weird
Anytime you guys want to do aclass anytime you guys want to
do a class.
You come and just do a classfor free.
Okay, I'll go with you.

Speaker 4 (41:41):
That answers my last question.
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:43):
I'm down Free class, bro, break my finger, see how I
deal with that You're going tobreak your finger on purpose.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
You're going to be tired, not on purpose, oh.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
I'll be tired in like 13 seconds.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
But you just pace yourself, bro.
13 seconds, just pace yourself.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
I got my copay.
I had Mitch in there.
That's why.

Speaker 3 (42:01):
I tell my wife I said as a former wrestler, three
minutes is a long time.
Yeah, I know, it was quick.
Three minutes is a long time,hey have you guys seen those
videos?

Speaker 1 (42:09):
I know, I know we have.
Have you seen those videos ofthe dudes who make the fucking
girls pump?
Yeah, oh, yeah, like are youtired no, send me one.
Yeah, they barely last a minute.
They barely last a minute.
They're tired, but yeah it's soeasy.

Speaker 5 (42:25):
Yeah, send me one, and I'm bigger than you yeah,
I'm planking harder.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, I'm holding more weight.
Yeah, and I'm not throwing itback oh, jesus do you guys think
I know you're gonna?

Speaker 1 (42:39):
there was the MC question which, lyrically, I'm
not really being a guy who's sointo like lyrics of words,
whether that's rock or rap orwhatever.
I have kind of like a beat guy,so like I like Lil Wayne and I
like some Kendrick Lamar, butnow he's getting way too popular
so I'm kind of like falling offof him a little bit.
Oh, that's hipster shit.

(43:00):
You know what I mean.
I see like they don't like asmuch of white kids.
I'm like all right, I'm out.
Uh, you know what I mean.
You know what I mean?
Like he's kind of I don't know.
I don't know if he's sold outor not, but hey, man, get your
money, I'm gonna sell out I hopeyou motherfuckers sell out,
he's sold in.
Yes, yeah, sell the fuck out ifyou can get that, if you can get
commas in your account, getcommas in your account, um, but

(43:20):
like, uh, do you guys feel asblack men and women that like
culturally, you guys are like,get shit on.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
If you like rock or country or some other genre of
music, it has to be r&b, rap,hip-hop I don't, because I like
all genres of music and no one'sever giving me a hard time
about it.
No, okay, I don't, because Ifeel all genres of music and no
one's ever given me a hard timeabout it.
No, okay, I don't, because Ifeel like we start all genres.
We definitely start all genres.
We definitely have an influenceon everything.
No matter what, I'm listening tono, no, no, we don't have an
influence.
We started all of them, that'swhat I said.

(43:52):
Well, that's not true, becausewe didn't start polka music.
Oh there's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
There's a polka community out there, don't?

Speaker 6 (44:02):
be shitting on people you like, polkas.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
No.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
I didn't think so.
We didn't start bluegrasseither.

Speaker 5 (44:07):
Yeah Well there's some influence.
Yeah, it stems from someplaceelse that we started.
But you're right yeah.

Speaker 6 (44:15):
We did start a majority of the genres of music.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
Country blues, it's all.

Speaker 6 (44:21):
It's kind of hard, but we definitely started
country.
I'll turn on some Stone TemplePalace.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
I was going to say I've always grown up like that,
a little bit sevenfold, okay.

Speaker 5 (44:29):
I think we get more of a difference in the state we
live in too.
The state we live in, yeah,Because when I left the state I
was like, oh, you've never met ablack person.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
That's nuts like, oh, you've never met a black person
.
That's yes.
That's like yeah, what the fuck?
I think?
I think I think, culturally, weall live off of, we as a
society, we all have to get offof what our great grandparents
opinions are of other races Iagree, like I think we're.
We don't even remember theirnames.
Why are we still followingtheir beliefs?
You know?

Speaker 6 (45:02):
what I mean agreed like because it's a trauma, it's
a trauma.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Trauma is generational trauma is.
But we gotta.
We gotta learn to someone's, wegotta break the chain somehow
and we gotta come together andwe gotta be judge somebody for
who they are as a person, notfor what their great great great
grandfather did, vice versa, oreither way.
Like not every not every blackkid is a thug.

(45:26):
Some of my best friends in theworld are black.
You know what I mean.
Not every white guy is racist.
Does he have racist rootsgenerationally, way back when?
I guarantee you're going tofind something?
You know what I mean.
But that doesn't mean that'swho he is as a person.
I'm not laughing at that, I'msorry, my man's out here, I
don't need laughing because Ithink about that with my wife

(45:47):
sometimes.

Speaker 5 (45:50):
I'm like at some point they were calling me the
internet what you going to do.
I mean her maiden name is Black.
Yeah, they probably kicked herass out, they kicked the whole
family out of their leg.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I feel like we just got to get past that.
It takes work.

Speaker 5 (46:07):
It's going to be the next generation.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
I think it's getting better.

Speaker 6 (46:11):
It is getting better, but it's going to take a lot of
healing.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I think it's not going to be ever 100%, but I
think our kids, kids, kids,that's when you're really going
to start seeing real change.
It's hard, it's hard Soon,you're really going to start
seeing real change.
But it's hard.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
It's hard Sooner than you think Shit's going to get
rough, but it's going to takethat roughness to make it.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I think two episodes.
You guys are talking about whatis free.
You know what I mean and Ithink you guys made a lot of
good points.
By the way, I think the realwhite guys from the really rich
rich they probably were.
You're probably right on someof the stuff.
You said, a couple of scopes,but like you got poor kids who
raised up like they're notracist why why would a racist

(46:52):
live right next door in the hood?
You know what I mean likethey're.
They're experiencing the samekind of difficulties being, you
know, financially unstable andpoor and not knowing where next
food is coming, and violence andcrime is the kids in the hood.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
If they're born in the hood, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Meet each other, though right, that's the shitty
part is they live next door anddon't meet each other yeah, and
that's where it's got to change,because they're going off of he
said, she said I think that isalso a cool thing in jiu-jitsu.
The cool thing is jiu-jitsu isI have learned to get advice
from other men and women andwhen you, you're I was raised,

(47:32):
all you think is your mom andyour dad and your.
That's who you get your advicefrom.
Mom, should I buy this?
Should I don't do this?
Is credit card, no, credit card, this that you get your, your
stable of advice.
Now I go to j, to jujitsu andyou start to realize mom and dad
didn't really know everything.
They were kind of dumb and someshit.
But now I'm training, thisguy's a lawyer, he's going to
give me advice.
Oh, this guy is a contractor.

(47:54):
No, no, you don't want to dothat, you want to do this.
So I've branched out and metdifferent people, even in UPS.
I think we do that withcustomers and stuff like that.
It's like no, I know a guy, Ideliver him, he does this and he
can help me there.
I think expanding horizons ishelping and a lot of people get
so narrow-minded and just doingwhat their parents said is right

(48:14):
and wrong, whether it'spolitically, whether it's
whatever that we got to be moreopen to being better people,
better humans.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
I can agree with that .

Speaker 4 (48:26):
All right, you ready, you prepared.
What's that?
You ready Because it'shappening.
You can ask him.

Speaker 6 (48:32):
I didn't think y'all was going to ask him baby.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
We always ask.
I told him to be prepared.

Speaker 6 (48:36):
I didn't know if he was going to ask him.
I said are?

Speaker 1 (48:38):
they going to ask him ?

Speaker 4 (48:39):
It's going to be not fucking cool.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Let's go.
I'm panicking.

Speaker 4 (48:43):
What is your top five dead or alive MCs?

Speaker 1 (48:48):
Hold on.
Are you going to order or noorder?
No order, okay, like I said,your boy had a 2009 Tahoe with
212.
So I like the South shit.
So I would fuck with Lil Waynea lot.
When I was single, I would fuckwith lil wayne a lot and, uh,
when I was single, I thought Iwould fuck with dmx.
Um, I liked uh, of course Ilike some some nwa pock stuff.

(49:14):
Um, that's two people and away.
I know it's too okay, nwa areyou.

Speaker 6 (49:20):
The.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Chronic.
The first album was good.

Speaker 6 (49:21):
And then are we saying NWA and Pac.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Yes, nwa, eazy-e, dr Dre, ice Cube, their own little
thing.
Pac was by himself.
Okay, my man.
And then right now, I think myfavorite guy right now is 21
Savage.
He's probably my favorite guyto listen to.

Speaker 6 (49:37):
Oh, I like him a lot so 21.

Speaker 5 (49:40):
Does he do?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
something for you.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
Yeah, I mean 21.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Do your thing 21.
And you went to the East Coastshit he was bringing that gay
shit up.
No, he doesn't what do you guysthink about Kanye sucking cock?

Speaker 6 (49:53):
My God.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
Well, let me tell you what's up.
Hey, what is going on.

Speaker 3 (50:00):
I have no problem with people doing what they want
to do I need more content,because I can't figure out if he
was a predator, or if he wasthe prey, and so I need more
content.

Speaker 6 (50:10):
He should have gave us a longer song because I need
more information.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Do you think the song went through?
The wire came out.
Do you think, uh, his cousinwas pissed that his, his mouth
got wired shut.

Speaker 6 (50:19):
I I'd be fucking damn .

Speaker 5 (50:26):
Apparently there's another story on why his mouth
was wired shut.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I'm trying to figure it out, wasn't the crash.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
No, there's apparently another story that we
don't know about, and I want tofind out what it might be
related to.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
But in all seriousness, I do think him
revealing that kind of gave someinsight into some of his mental
health, because for sure he, hepacking a lot baby and he's
starting to unpack on us and nowit's making me be like, oh okay
, this explains some of thethings that you say you've been
carrying a lot for a long time.
I walked out in a blackklansman outfit yeah, yeah, I
knew that, I knew before that.

(51:00):
But that was that there had melike oh okay, nigga, you got a
lot going on.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
He crazy.
He trying to do what KevinSpacey did.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
I think he, but I've always thought that.
I've always thought that Kanyecarried a lot of trauma with him
and he didn't really heal andhe's just.
This is his expression of histrauma.

Speaker 3 (51:19):
He's still dealing with his mama.

Speaker 6 (51:21):
He's definitely still dealing with his mom's death.
Now we have this going on withhim and he's either potentially
been the predator or potentiallybeen the prey.
The way the song sounds, I feellike he might have been the
predator from what he's saying,because it sounds like he was
older and the cousin was little.
Yeah, so, nigga, you did it,you, the predator.

Speaker 5 (51:41):
You should have told us Lock him up, so you nigga,
you did it, you, the predatorwhat's hard for me is lock him,
the fuck up, pause, calm down,say he was the prey like.
It's hard for me to feel badfor a self-proclaimed Nazi.
You probably shouldn't bewearing that.
If you want sympathy, that'snot gonna help.
That's not gonna help.

(52:01):
Claim Nazi yeah, so I'm likewell, you probably shouldn't be
wearing that.
If you want sympathy, yeah,that's not going to help.
That's not going to help.

Speaker 3 (52:07):
I feel like.
I feel like Kanye.
He's destined to lose becausehe's dealing with the trauma
from his mom and now he also hasthe Kardashian curse on him.
Yeah, it's a fat ass though.
It was fake, don't count.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
They don't count, it's purchased.
They do because scissors isnice.
Yeah, scissors did a good job.
They did a good job.
Bbls don't count.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
I mean, it depends on how they did them, because some
of these bitches look like ants.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Scissors is a nice summery thing.
Do dildos count?

Speaker 6 (52:32):
Absolutely the.

Speaker 5 (52:34):
BBLs count Absolutely .
I like your logic.

Speaker 6 (52:44):
Well, oto said, you can go to Turkey and get girth,
get your dick done too.
You hear that, gentlemen,turkey Gobble gobble, so you can
get a lace front and a.

Speaker 3 (52:52):
Hell yeah, what are they doing in Turkey?

Speaker 4 (52:57):
We went off the rails .

Speaker 6 (52:58):
You get your teeth done in Turkey.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Lace front you ever seen that clip?
The passport boy front Girl.

Speaker 5 (53:02):
You ever seen that clip?
The passport boy is going toTurkey.
He ran out.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
I tried to ask for more.
I couldn't give it.
I'm done, you gotta do what thewhite boys do.
You gotta go down there, dudeFirst.

Speaker 5 (53:19):
I thought that was the Puerto Ricans.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Puerto Ricans are just, you gotta be a complete
player, bro.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Before we head out, go ahead and let the people know
your social media handles.
Where they can find you.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
All that stuff.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Guys, my name is Matt Vega At O's Nation BJJ Fastest
growing jiu-jitsu page On theplanet.
I would say, guys, my name isMatt Vega at Oast Nation BJJ
Fastest growing jiu-jitsu pageon the planet.
I would say, oh, it's up there.
It's top five, probably Almostat 116,000 followers.
So if you do follow me, thankyou.
I appreciate you.
Follow me everywhere.
Youtube, anywhere at OastNation BJJ is available and I

(54:02):
appreciate you guys riding me on.
It's been awesome.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
Yes, this has been fun.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I know, we know it's early in.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
Thank you, this has been a blast.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
We do it at seven.
I'm like bruh.
I have to drive an hour.
I was up to drive an hour and Igot little kids and I'm going
to wake them up.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Oh man, thank you for driving.
I had a great time.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I love what you guys are doing.
I think it's, I think it's goodand I think if you keep it up,
you're definitely going to makean impact in whatever space you
guys are trying to get to.
I really do believe that.
I like the sound.
I wouldn't blow smoke and saythat if I didn't believe it.
I have a good flow.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
You know what Dev stopped going on smoke?
She takes edibles now.

Speaker 6 (54:44):
No, I don't, Because the last time I took edibles I
got naked.
It was walking down the streeton Alessandro Boulevard.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
She did say that, yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:49):
Butt-ass naked.
I ain't taking no damn edibles.
You thought you was on Figaro.
I was fucked up.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Okay, I just butt naked just if he was on
softening home, I would pickyour ass up.

Speaker 6 (55:02):
I'm trying to tell you I would have got paid they
would have paid me back for theedible I never eat.
No edibles, no more.
What kind of weed was this?
My whole, my whole coochie wasout.
I don't hell, no, no, no.
Whoever gave you?

Speaker 1 (55:15):
these edibles let's, we got to get you training.

Speaker 6 (55:22):
What when?

Speaker 1 (55:22):
were you in danger?

Speaker 6 (55:23):
I'm telling you that was when I needed to know how to
fight on my back man.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Because I was outside .
It sounds like you weren'ttrying to fight, yeah it sounds
like something else was going on, titty swinging Hell.

Speaker 6 (55:33):
No, I ain't drinking on them animals.
No, I'm good.

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Well, we appreciate you for being on.
I think it's dope what you do.
We appreciate you for being on.
Uh, I think it's dope what youdo.
Like you said, I know you don'tblow smoke because I, every
time I've ever interacted withyou, you've always kept it a
hundred.
Um, again, I wish you nothingbut the best.
I see that you've already areon the trajectory to be very
successful.

(55:58):
Um and again, thank you forbeing on here.
Ladies and gentlemen, this hasbeen an episode of Talk your
Shit with Matt Baker.
Appreciate you guys.
Till next time.

Speaker 6 (56:09):
We love you peace this has been another episode of
the Heavyweight Podcast.
Talk your Shit.
One thing about me, baby I'mshowing up every week to see who
coming to talk.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
they shit, y'all better show up with me, see you
there, bye.
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