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Ever wondered why a simple nod speaks volumes? We unravel the cultural power of "the nod" in the Black community—an unspoken gesture of solidarity. From Des turning 40 to Kevin’s awkward medical moment, we blend humor with insights on identity, hair politics, and code-switching. Tackling systemic hurdles, racial bias, and societal pressures, we highlight resilience and laughter amidst adversity. Join us for stories of triumph, humor, and navigating authenticity in diverse spaces. 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Heavyweight Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
The message behind saying the title of the
Heavyweight Podcast is to beable to say that we can weigh in
on some heavy shit.
What we're talking about isimportant from every aspect of
it.
It's a heavy weight.
It's not just about physicalweight, but the weight of things
that can weigh our minds.
So I think it's dope that wecan have this conversation.
So I think it's dope that wecan have this conversation.

(00:31):
What's good?
This is episode 183 of theHeavyweight Podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I am your anti-social host, studdard McFly.
Back again with these two guys.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's your boy, molito the Grouch.
I'm Spitz-less, ellis.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Why you not spitting Spitz-less?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
The.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
D's done.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
My man shooting blinks.
Shout out to Des that couldn'tbe here today.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Shout out to Des.
The motherfucking diva.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Happy belated.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Happy belated Big 4-0 shit let me do them dances
ain't gonna be no more twerking.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
It's just two steps and cha-cha the nice he had
after yes oh, that's funny,slight movements, your pops, and
then she 40.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
So no, you know, that also means she got that extra
support bra now, because she gotback extra back pain.
Now the back pain went up alevel.
I thought I just caught a backbrace she gotta have that broad,
that thick ass, big ass supportin the back.
It's all love.

(01:53):
Cause her back be hurting,cause she old.
That's the joke it's all love.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
How are your weeks?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
shit.
Better getting over thissickness, trying and get rid of
this cough.
Um, yeah, man, I mean nothingbut good, positive vibes.
You know, I have the uh, thedaunting reality of going back
to normal you looking forward tothat uh first day, uh back at

(02:23):
that one place no, I'm reallynot, but it must be done.
So what must be done?
will be done, so I'm justpicturing you walking in like
hey guys, hey, what's up, howyou doing no I already said,
when I go back, man, I'm gonnabe a different person.
I kept receipts Damn.

(02:45):
I ain't talking to nobody thatdidn't talk to me.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Oh, that's fair, that's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
So you're like Patrick when he got back from
the Navy at first Fuck everybody.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
Oh, he took the yeah that's he had to cut off a lot
of people.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
I'm down here.
Both of them are ask mequestions.
I'm gonna look at him like alot of people.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
I remember being out there where he's like oh so
those like y'all niggas justdon't think I'm alive, I think I
just went to die you know whatthat patrick story is?

Speaker 3 (03:14):
funny as shit to me, because my cousin was like that
and like I was um, but she hademail, so I was emailing her and
like he would email back andforth when she could.
And she was like not manypeople emailed me because would
you, even I appreciate that.
And I was like, oh okay, nigga,I just quick little respond
like well, that's, it meant,meant a lot so it's all right.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Like I told you, only like a few people stutter was,
one was like hey, what's up, man, how you doing yeah, yeah, it's
different, even even.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Even well, last time she went she was in over in
Thailand last year.
Damn, I don't think I can tellher.
Well, no, they don't know whoshe is.
Yeah, she was over in Thailandlast year and she was.
She would call us when shecould and shit, you know she
even.
Well, that's the part I didn'tlike.
She bought my wife the fuckingStarbucks cup.
That was only in Thailand, somy wife was happy.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
I'm just going to bet .
Have you got like a phone callfive minutes from now?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
What.
Like you wasn't supposed to sayshit?
Oh, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
God damn they watching.
There's some parts of Thailandyou got to not speak of Uh-oh.
It's like Vegas, that shitstays.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
I'm pretty sure she wasn't partaking of that, cause
she get bitches yeah, there'ssome people that thought they
was getting bitches and it wasSteve bang cock and bang cock no
, she get bitches bitch.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
This guy's name was Terry.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
I'm lady boy.
Kevin, you're weak.
I don't know how we got here.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Oh shit, my week's good, my week's much better.
My balls is a little morerested.
They were sore for a while, alittle swollen, but it's cool,
we're good, we're back in action.
Back in action you said thatshit.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
I thought about that episode of Fear Factor when they
slapped Bull Nuts on the tableoh, you know what's funny?

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I don't.
I ain't never had this happen.
When a dude was doing that shit, he just farted like.
He just farted like, I'msitting there, I'm just laying
back, and then he's like, and Iwas like, is this?
and he's just like oh, excuse me, he's just like, oh, excuse me,
he's like see what the fuckyour ass is right here, I can't

(05:33):
move that's a saw, I was justlike mad though cause he like
paused and they excuse me causehe, he like paused in the excuse
me cause he was like oh, Iguess, excuse me did he know
that crimes were chemicalweapons or federal offense?

(05:54):
I was like damn fool, held mehostage.
Other than that, you know, goodbeen good.
That's what's up getting ready,big fly been good that's what's
up getting ready.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I'm trying so hard not to laugh because I wouldn't
make it through this episode ifI laughed, because this cough
got me fucked up, and the fewtimes that I've laughed this
week I've almost died and I'mgetting.
I've almost died.
Um, I'm getting over being sickas well.
That shit snuck up, snuck up onme and then just fucked me up.

(06:34):
So, um, snuck along.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
you're like fucking alimony payments and shit.
Yeah, I just child support thatshit.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Was that fucking respiratory shit?
Ain't no joke.
Um, yeah, other than that, I'veuh been at work and staying

(07:08):
under the radar and uh dealingof the way life's been lifin uh.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
But yeah, other than that getting ready to I was
trying to work on some music soI got six home the voice change
might, might, might.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
You know you might have like like a kanye moment
you know what I mean rap withthe, with an extra raspy voice.
I mean the way I rap.
I probably wouldn't have avoice for long.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I don't think he would.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
So I guess we'll get to the shenanigans.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
If you let a nigga shenan one time, he's going to
shenan again.
I said that for Wendell ForShizzle shenanigans one time
he's going to shenanigans again.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I said that for Wendell For Shizzle.
So this first episode, wealready know what it is.
But what's understood don't gotto be explained, right?
So I had a co-worker who wastalking to some co-workers who

(08:05):
are of a lighter complexion andhe's, he's, he has some melanin
in the skin and uh, he, but heused me as an example to make a
point to them and he, he'swalked.
I was happy to be walking pastand he said, hey, so andy, do
you go camping?
And I just looked at him andthey, they chuckled, they didn't
, and and they didn't understand.
And then he asked me again.

(08:27):
He was like no, sir, is andy,do you go camping?
I just stared at him.
I didn't say shit because heknew.
I was like why the fuck wouldyou ask a question?
And no, you already know thefucking answer to.
So I don't.
Another one of our co-workersgoes I don't get the joke.
I said you wouldn't.
So, uh, that was the wholepoint of these questions.

(08:47):
They're curated by theunderstanding of certain things
we just understand and you don'thave to explain them.
Radio Raheem For Shizzle who'sthat?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I'm messing with you.
I'm messing with you.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
It is very understood in passing, even when you don't
know one another.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
The nod the head nod.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
Why is the nod such a universal form of
acknowledgement among blackpeople, and what does it signify
?

Speaker 1 (09:21):
I don't probably do the nod.
I think I do, though that's anod though that's a nod.
That's a nod, nick.
Yeah, but I figured you weretalking about the something.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
I think it works either way, something I think
the direction or not depends onwho you're nodding nah, I give
everybody the.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
if you get some niggas who be like I'm not gonna
, I'm gonna give them the howyou doing, I don't know.
I do it to everybody.
I think I'm more prone to do itto niggas when I see them Just
say, hey, what's up?
How you doing nigga, you know Idon't nod everybody.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
I'm a nigga for real.
Oh you just.
I only nod to black people.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Ah see, yeah, you know I'll chuck the deuce to
people.
I know you just ignore theother people in the crowd too.
Huh, how you doing.
Oh, you'll say huh, how youdoing, but you'll do the what's
up brother, that's what they'relooking at me how you doing.

Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's kind of like Key and Peele this kid, but the nod
is just something like I mean,I'm not quite positive of the
history, but I'm pretty sureit's something of where it was
just something subtle that blackpeople did to announce that I,
I see you, uh, and if some shitpop off, I feel like it's more
unthreatening, it's notthreatening.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
No, I'm saying where it's like hey, everything's cool
, yeah, yeah, we good.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
Because there's some niggas where you're like oh,
those niggas just staring at melike nah, no but you see, but
see, the thing is, kevin, tothat point, in some situations
the nod can't be threatened likewhat's up, nigga, like what,
like what it is, depending onthe, how it go, yeah, depending
on the, the body language behindthe nod.
Yeah, that's true, because ifthem shoulders get tense, yeah,

(11:00):
and it's true, you know.
So, I mean it, you know it's,it's like most, uh, most things,
black culture have multiplemeanings.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
So it's a temperature check sometimes.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Yeah, it really depends on the context of how
the body language was displayedor the word was said, like the
waddle?
Yeah, it mattered, but I thinkoriginally it was like hey, man,
like I'm going to.
Okay, I see you, black man.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
That's why I tend to do this, because it's hard to
confuse that Like that, niggadon't want me, he don't want no
problems, I only really that'shard to confuse that with.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
I only really do not head up to young niggas.
See, I was about to the olderdudes, older black guys.
I nod them what's up, man, howyou doing sir.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
What's up, og?
I will say in the setting nowthat it is different depending
on the generations you deal with, because there's a young dude
at the front desk of my gym.
I gave him the head nod and thenigga gave me the salute and I
was mid-stride out the door.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
He went.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I said you went hard, brother.
Yeah, like I.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
You know what the Uber called it.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
For sure.
I just didn't know what to doin the situation, cause I was
like fuck, like I'm I'm midstride about to get the fuck out
of here and he hit me with thesalute.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I was like can I ask you is there going too far
sometimes?
Cause I've I've had that whereit's uncomfortable sometimes and
it shouldn't be where you'relike what's up?
Or like hey and they're likewhat's up, or like hey and
they're like hey, what's up?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
black man, you're like nigga, like I'm just like
trying to be subtle just youtalking about you talking about
the time where you're like I'mjust, I'm just here to
acknowledge don't walk acrossthe mother.
Yeah, like this was not aninvitation to a whole
conversation, like I, I stillgotta see.
God damn it, kevin is that newhappening?

Speaker 1 (12:42):
because?

Speaker 3 (12:43):
so now it's, this is a black guy at the gym.
I've been seeing this niggaevery day for the last five
months and I guess recently,like he saw me in the gym and
then I guess his kids startedgoing to my kid's school, so
then he saw me at the school andnow, since he's seen me in two
places now, the nigga want totalk to me like, and I'm like
what's up, I'm cool with you,bro, but I'm not, finna, stop in

(13:06):
the middle of my work.
I have a whole conversationwith you about the school.
Our kids go to nigga.
Like we can.
I'll see you at the schooltoday, like we can talk about
that then.
But I think I do think thewhole non.
I think it's like a camaraderiething, like it's like you know,
let's stick together in case,you know, these other want to
show out.
At least I know I got somebodyto go back to back with.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Especially in the suburbs.
I know this Like when you're ina predominantly Caucasian area
and then you just happen to seeanother black person.
You just kind of give them anunderstanding.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Because no, it was.
I'd be like look, nigga, youbetter follow me or you're going
to stay your ass in here.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
follow me or you're going to stay here Because I
felt like even with thegentleman at the gym when he was
asking me, he was askingquestions about the school, but
I could tell that his legitimateconcern was is my child safe
here?
Is there going to be somebullshit I got to look out for
and we was like no man, we'vebeen cool, we had pretty much a
good experience.
So you know nothing out of theorder like the teachers.

(14:04):
You know she's like, he's likehe's like my man gets hurt.
Is my son going to be safe?
Because I guess he was moving.
He moved his son from privateschool to the public school.
So he was like is he going tobe safe?
And I was like man, as safe ashe was in a private school?
I mean, you know you gotthere's.
There's type different typepeople all around, you know, but
I but I do think the knot itjust comes from hey man, I see
you, I got you, and if some shitpop off, nigga we gonna.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I got your back, you got my back, type shit alright
have I told you guys a story ofthe kid I saw in Raising Cane's?
Refresh, I think you did, butgo ahead, say it again so I went
in there to get the kid some toeat from Raising Cane's, and
there was a black dude in there.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Was he working or eating?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
He was eating, but he was passing through.
I thought so.
I saw him.
I was like what's up, man?
He just gave me a look.
He was like you kind of quick,you know, I see you.
And I went to go get my kidsdrinks and he walked up to a
white woman, or no, rather, thewhite woman walked up to him and
he looked over at me and waslike don't judge me nigga.

(15:07):
Like that was the.
And I was like, oh, so you gotokay, you got you a snow bunny,
he thought you was Dr Uber.
Yeah, like.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
He shouldn't.
He felt guilty.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
He got you a black yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
he gave me the don't judge me nigga, yeah he gave me
the don't judge me, nigga and Iwas like oh okay, black queens
forever.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
I mean sure, Go for it.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
So there is no saving you.
You're a lost cause.
Dr E-Marmie, that nigga.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
So in that instance I realized that yeah, there's the
.
It went from the.
I realized that quick nod wasto.
It went from the.
I realized that quick nod wasto to get the fuck out of there.
But when he realized there wasnothing else he could do, he
gave me the don't judge me nigga, but my thing is don't be if
that's what you love, why areyou surprised?
I don't give a fuck about it,but I'm saying I realized the
awkwardness that he was givingme do based on who he's there

(16:01):
with.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Some people can be very judgmental about shit like
that, you know.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
That's dope.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
I accept more power to him, but yeah.
I mean, I'm you know, it iswhat it is.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah.
But now I understood why he wasawkward and I was like I don't
get why you're awkward.
But then I was like, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
Should have tapped him on the shoulder like you're
alright bud?

Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah but then I was like, oh, okay, should have
tapped him on the shoulder likeyou're all right, bud.
Yeah, Was your kids with you?
No, I was by myself.
Oh, I was like because if youjust saw the kids he'd be like
oh, he's fine.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
I don't know.
Their melanin's getting alittle darker.

Speaker 3 (16:39):
Yeah, it's going to be a trip when he hit a lark.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
I call him Little Rob Schneider.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Wait, when you sent me that shit and said he look
like the animal, yeah.
I was dying laughing becausethe animal is my baby sister.
That's one of her favoritemovies.
We've seen that shit so often.
I was crying, laughing.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
So I already told my siblings that's Little Rob
Schneider right there, we're nottalking about Rob Schneider
from Waterboy.
We're.
We're not talking about RossReddick from from Waterboy,
we're talking about DeuceBigelow, deuce Bigelow, the
animal hair fucking wild.
What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
that's a huge bitch.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
So alright, one more.
I got one more story where thehead nod cause you, you sparked,
you sparked it.
It was at the gym.
It was this light-skinned kidthat was really trying to prove
to me that he was black.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Can't stand niggas like that.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
He was light-skinned as shit, but you could see in
the texture of his hair.
But everywhere else he lookedwhite.
He could pass for white untilyou saw his hair.
He was like, oh, it didn't workthere, okay.
So I'm playing basketball in thegym and I glance over and the
kid's shooting around the otherside.
He gives me the hat and I saidhey, what's up?
He runs over to me.

(17:51):
He goes hey, what's up, brother?
I said he just say nigga.
No, he said what's up, brother?
Like he put the emphasis onbrother and I'm like, hey, man,
what's up?
Look at my skin and you thinkwhite devil.
But no, I'm black, just likeyou.
I said yeah.
So he goes hey, man, I'm tryingto play one-on-one game, you
down.
I said cool, he's like we justit's a quick game, just kind of

(18:12):
warm up for my workout.
Let's just play the six.
I go, okay, okay, all right.
Uh.
So we play the six and like hejust he's sagging off of me.
He looks at my size, he sagsoff of me.
I hit a jump shot real quick.
He goes okay, nice jump, yougot a nice jimmy on you.
Okay, pause.
So he gives me another shot.

(18:36):
I dribble a couple times.
I pull up again, he goes ohokay, it's at this point, it's
already, it's already 4-0, andwe're going to 6.
He does it one more time.
He still guards me.
He realized I'm going to pullup again.
Now he's respecting the shot.
I pull up again 6-0.
He goes all right, man, I'mabout to go get to my workout.

(18:57):
Brother, I appreciate you, butthat was one instance where he
was really trying to prove to mehe was.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
I was like bro, like I told you that he's almost
backfiring me in jail.
That shit was almost bad.
I was like nigga, get the fuckaway from me.
It's like me and one othernigga in this cell and like we
kind of made like little eyecontact, like what's up, nigga?
And he was like we kind of madelike little eye contact, like
what's up, nigga?
And he was like yeah, what's up?
Yeah, we got to stick togetheragainst all these Mexicans and I

(19:27):
was like nigga.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I'm not with you.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
No, no, no.
Yeah, I get me fucked up, youby yourself.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
Hold on.
Your story is so fuckinghilarious Because I don't know
if you noticed, but Friday Logicdropped the EP and I was like
all right, give it a chance.
And 30 seconds until the firsttrack.
The nigga say I am by ratio andI said click.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Feel like we know by now he really be doubling down
on that shit too Like also.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Let me go see what Busta talking about he be
tripping my dad's, so smokecrack my mama hate her own
children.
I said for a motherfucker whoswerve it down and let you know
that he black every chance heget.
He still don't say nigga.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Oh he does, oh he does.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
I've never heard him say that in a song.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, he does.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
He does.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, Is it awkward?
No, he just really tries to putan emphasis like I'm black.
He rolls off.

Speaker 1 (20:37):
When he says it in public, like just says it, it
sounds weird On a song.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Yeah, I've heard him say you're like all right, man,
we get it.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
I'm just like nigga.
Come on, bro, I am not a Logicfan.
I still look at him.
I'll be trying to support you,logic, but at this point I'm on
Joe Budden's side.
Nigga, just shut up.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
I was until he just kept doing that where he's like
damn man, okay, we, we got it.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
We got it.
You know what song pissed meoff?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
Flexicution.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
The Caterpillar remix oh.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
I don't know the name of it.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Eminem shit.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, it was like oh, there's an extra version of
Caterpillar that we left as abonus song and I said I see why
this shit was extra, becausewhen you hear it at some point
he goes on a whole fucking rant,he stops rapping and he goes
yeah, bro, like you're.
So I was like nigga, shut thefuck up like I really I fuck

(21:32):
with the Super Mario.

Speaker 3 (21:34):
The Super Mario song shit the song he got to that
beat and Black Superman I meanBlack Black Spider-Man.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
That's my two favorite logic songs, everything
else is kind of what's the songwith him and Eminem?
I don't remember.
Is it Homicide?

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Homicide?
I think so yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
And I skim all the way to Eminem's verse, Anyway.
So let's go ahead and go on tothe next question.
It's code switching.
How do Black people or Blackindividuals navigate code
switching in a professional andsocial setting?

Speaker 3 (22:08):
I mean, I think it used to be a must.
I don't think it's a must, nomore.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
And why is it rarely explicitly taught, like where we
understand?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Oh, we understand that.
I think black people for themost part understand that you
got to speak a certain waybecause we're initially labeled
as aggressive or loud just byour demeanor Because yeah, and
assertiveness, because I willsay, if our our demeanor Cause,
yeah, and assertiveness Cause, Iwill say, if our coworker asked
me that in public, outside ofwork, I would have responded
completely different.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
But when I was at work I was like bruh.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
So you know, and and and I, I felt like we
co-switched to not be labeled astereotype, yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
That's not, I think.
Label the stereotypes yeah,that's not, I think I do more a
level of professionalism.
I don't give a fuck about that,nigga, please, you ain't trying
to get fired, no, that's.
That's, that's factual, like,and sometimes it's important too
, because I think you don't wantto do certain things to have
motherfuckers be too comfortable.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, to where they think oh I, I'm a nigga with you
.
It's like nah.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Nah, well, you've been talking to me like you talk
to your other friends, nah.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Nah, shout out to Tom Bob.
Yeah, I thought about that shittoo.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yeah, because that gets tricky sometimes.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
Yeah Well, I think what it is also is like it's a
level of culture understoodbetween other black people.
That's why we talk, to talkamong each other a certain way.
Then we and then talk different.
We may not, we may use the samewords and we may describe
things the same way, but there'sa.
There's a different level ofswag, different level of
confidence, different level ofemphasis on certain words when

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we're talking to other blackpeople.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I agree.
Does that mean we're chameother black people?
I agree, would that mean we'rechameleons?

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Yes, we are, we have to be.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, because now it makes me feel fake as fuck when
I say it aloud.
No, fake?

Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, because, like, I think about it, but it's a
survival tactic.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
I get that I'm talking about.
There's a level of degrees.
I talk to different blackpeople at work like so if it's
me and you, we're gonna talkopen and honest but, like if
it's somebody else, I'll be likeno, you're getting this much of
this and I'll I should.
I, if I have to be a wholedifferent person to get navigate
through that goddamnconversation, I'm going to you

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know, you know who cold switchedthe best.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Tucker that nigga, that nigga.
Cold switch on the fly.
I'm confused.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
I don't know the day.
Some days he's black, some dayshe's not, and I'm afraid to ask
the question I'm like so istoday the day that we can say
that nigga to you?

Speaker 3 (24:42):
that nigga.
He can ride a course on coldswitching.
There's nothing wrong with it.
I don't think it's just us,though, because there's nothing
wrong with it I don't think it'sjust us, though, oh no.
I definitely think that there's.
I definitely think that there'sa white version of Kohl's with
you, I definitely think, and Iknow for a fact, there's a

(25:02):
Hispanic version of Kohl's.
so you know, I think I alsothink like people kind of like
assimilate to the, to the, tothe communication style of the
group they're in in the momentAlso that's why I want to keep
code switching, because I don'twant it to get too comfy.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, what everybody just being like hey man, is this
how you talk at home?
Because I'd rather you just nottalk to me like that.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Look, I tell a lot of people.
Look, I'm quite aware that youprobably say nigga at home, but
if you're not black, don't saynigga to me, because we're going
to have a problem.
I don't give a fuck.
You rapping a song singing.
Don't say nigga.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Around me there's some jokes too, though.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
There's some jokes that I think that are told when
they're like oh, none of themwere black friends Hell yeah,
let it fly.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
When me and Des were at the show and there was a
group, I want to say it was whenDukes got there.
Us Dukes were chilling andthere were some young cats that
walked up on all of us and Deswas like when did these niggas
start getting cool saying theword nigga, see?
I would have said something.
And I was like when did theseniggas start getting cool saying

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the word nigga, see?
I would've said something.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
And I was like but I'm like I'm I'm gonna exit
stage right before I slap ally'all motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
There, there, there is some very loose uh yeah, but
yeah, um, I got lost in my trainof thought.
Oh, we're talking about aparticular co-worker.
Yeah, I get confused aroundthat nigga.
So I just I keep it a certainbecause I, as you know, we've
had a history where it's like Ithink I don't know what is gonna

(26:37):
sit I don't give a fuck what heidentifying him on with that
nigga, he a nigga to me I don'tknow I I don't want to cause no
problems, so I keep it a certainenergy the whole time does he
get angry or something?

Speaker 1 (26:49):
huh, does he get angry or something?
Or is he, like he, just all theway in on?

Speaker 3 (26:53):
I'll let you explain that shit, all right all I'm
gonna say is that he is who heis.
I accept him for where he is,and to me you're always gonna be
a nigga I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
I'll accept that.
I guess I don't know what thefuck you talking about he didn't
.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
He gave you a political answer.
He's like a heavy switcher.
It's to a point where I yeah webumped heads over, not
realizing in the moment what thefuck was going on, because I
guess it mattered more in themoment for him and it was like,
oh okay, I just won't go thereanymore.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
So he goes from like nigga to Karen.

Speaker 3 (27:31):
He'd be like Jerome or Karen sometimes he's like I
ain't trying to get involved,y'all you gonna get involved.
I don't fuck your ass.
I don't want to knock your assout he just deep.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Anyway, let's go ahead and move the fuck on hair
culture.
What makes discussions aroundblack hair so nuanced, from
protective styles to thepolitics of good hair?
I?

Speaker 3 (27:56):
don't think I can comment on this.
Why I ain't got no hair.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
You had it in sometimes and your hair in your
face, like as far as keeping thegrooming of it.
I ain't had hair since I wasfucking 28 you ever had a nigga
attempt to try to touch yourhair?

Speaker 1 (28:11):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Oh, nigga, let me tell you this Now you're gonna
piss me off.
Look here.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
You know what school I went to.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Look here.
I don't know if they listen.
They probably don't listen Toyou motherfucking gymnastics.
Mothers that keep touching mydaughter hair.
I'm gonna fuck you up, okay.
Stop touching my baby here, allright.
Stop that shit To you randomwomen out here touching my

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daughter here because, oh it'sso.
Stop touching my baby here, allright.
My daughter is not a fuckingpet.
She is not something to beoogled after.
She's not nigga.
Stop touching my daughter here.
I mean that shit.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
I mean cool, but they ain't listening.
That ain't our team.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
And two Saturdays from now on, they ain't gonna do
the same shit cause we had acouple like no, you cannot touch
her hair, don't touch her thatwould be dope if they were
listening, though.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hey, I heard you.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
Sorry, I didn't know don't touch me, but here's the
real issue.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Don't that come from like a lack of knowledge.
To that too, though.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
I think so.
I think the biggest issuepeople have with black hair
non-black people having blackhair is that I feel like black
people are the one.
Especially black women arechameleons with their hair.
They're able to do so manythings with their hair.
They can have it, they can.
They can rock it straight, theycan rock it curly, they can
rock the afro and they can do itwith such ease and then, on top

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of that, look good in every inevery style.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
So what you're saying is we that they have style and
a lot of times.
They don't have style, theydon't have style.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
They don't.
I mean I don't want to soundlike that guy, but let's be real
, nigga.
The world copies our culture.
Let's just call it what it is.
They copy us.
They off-brand nigga.
They off-brand Like theseniggas are the great value of
black, I mean.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Okay.
I mean okay Because I don'tknow.
I'm just saying Some of thehair things is like nah, don't
do that.
So it's like I'm glad they gottheir own hairstyle, like the
little bobs and shit, becauselike when I see, oh no, I agree.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Now there's certain hairstyles I don't like it at
all.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I'm not even, oh no, I just rather them wear that
than us I get that too.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Hey, you know we can't.
I'm not a big fan and my wifeknows I'm not a big fan of box
braids.
I don't, I don't like them, Idon't like, I don't, I don't
like those.
And that's not box braids I'mnot.
I'm talking about like theindividual braids.
I'm not a big fan of that.
Like cornrows, shit like that.

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I'm a fan of shit like that,I'm and um, there's just certain
like you know what.
And then getting older which isreally weird Cause I never
thought I'd get here now butwhen I see a black woman with
some finger waves I'll be likethat shit's laughing, that shit,
especially when she got thethat's funny.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
The finger wave Wow.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
The finger wave shortcut.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
Yeah, I like that shit.
Yeah, I like that shit.
97.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, with the little curls and shit.
Yeah, I like that shit, goddamn.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Y'all know how I feel about black women I think they
don't know about anything withour hair because we, we they
definitely don't know.
They don't know anything, theydon't know the process I, I
could wake up and not do nothingwith them.
They're like yeah, it looksfine.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
And I'm like no, then you get around niggas.
They're like nigga, did youbrush your hair today, so so
what you doing?

Speaker 1 (31:45):
you, okay, you struggling it.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Also the concept of like it's like it takes a lot to
maintain black hair, like, solike when I see somebody with
their like, I understand.
Like the concept of what ittook to maintain.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I'm getting triggered .
What happened?
You forgot something.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
No, I'm thinking about because there's been a few
instances at work where I'mlike like we have all the the
co-workers of the other races,like you know the mom process.
Nigga, I'll take my hair out,yeah, I'll let it breathe for a
couple days.
So first it'll be like thenatural braids out, yeah, curl.
Then I press, straighten it andI got the fucking co-workers oh

(32:29):
my god, why are you wearingyour hair like that?
And I'm like niggas, like howmany times have you seen me get
my hair braided?
How many times have you seenwith an afro?
How many times have you seenwhat the fuck are you worried
about?
Why my hair looks like and itit annoys.
And then it's funny, it's likein passing, you have the other
black.
Like like shout out to deshaun.
He'll be like these niggasdon't know about that.
Like he'll say it.
He'll be like, oh, he's like,oh, you getting abraded.

(32:51):
Huh.
He's like, yeah, these niggasdon't know about that because
they understand, you gotta letit breathe.
Yeah, because your hair, youdon't.
You're doing not damage to yourhair, but it is putting stress
on your scalp each time you dosomething.
But when people constantly keepasking the same question, it
gets annoying.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
They don't know.
They don't know and the wholething is like for black people.
From my understanding, braidsis a protective hairstyle.
Yeah, it's something that youdo to protect your hair and
while you allow it to repairitself and grow, but at the same
time, like you're saying, youcan't have it.
You can't have your hair likethat for an extended period of
time.
You got to let that scalpbreathe.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Yeah, Like that scalp reed yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
You got to bend that ass over.
Our other homies and amigosdon't know, they don't, they
don't know that they don't, andthey keep asking because they're
like I forgot.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
And then shout out to LaShonda, our co-worker Damn
fuck LaShonda.
Damn our co -worker damn, I putone of our co-workers on game
to my braider.
Shout out to Barbara at Jess,and I put her.
I sent a co-worker to go gethis hair braided by her, so

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LaShonna goes.
Cause of your ass.
This nigga think he black?
I said what?
But wasn't he black?
I said what.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
Wait, but wasn't he black, you talking?

Speaker 2 (34:11):
about Will.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Oh, I thought you were talking about.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
Will.
No, he's a Hispanic driver, buthe keeps his hair long, so,
like Lashonda, one day.
Caught me in passing he waslike just because of your ass,
this nigga think he black.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Because he'll like walk around, like when he get
his hair braided he be feelingit, yeah, and she gave me a look
.
I said what you?
What the fuck?
What the fuck you want me tosay?
Like I just told y'all man, we,we, we.
The standard everybody else isgreat value depends on who you
are.
That's the shitty part.
But yeah, why be mad?

Speaker 2 (34:44):
if he got, if he's building swag, got the swag.
I don't know what to tell you.

Speaker 3 (34:48):
Well, she mad because her edges don't grow.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
I'm not in that one.
I'm not in that one.
I'll never talk about a blackwoman's hair.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I don't know this young lady so.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
She ain't young.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Oh there we go, she gonna be young enough to try to
put a two-piece on somebody.
I'm not.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
We got a love-hate relationship.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
You sound like you got a two-piece waiting for you.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
Hey, what's up?
Reese Welcome back.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
So I don't know.
If Henry tell her what I said,she might text me.
I'll pull up.
She know where I live.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, she do.
So.
The next topic snitching thetaboo.
Oh, what are the historical andcultural roots behind the no
snitching principle in our blackcommunity?
I don't give a fuck about thatshit.
I'm snitching, I'm telling onyou in a heartbeat.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm snitching.
I don't give a fuck like wecan't.
Don't give a fuck, we can'tDon't do no shit in front of me
we can't snitch, we ain'tsnitching, we ain't in the
criminal activities.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I don't give a fuck.
Don't do it in front of me IfI'm in any situation like the he
did it.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Remember when I told you I got the pookie plate?
Mm-hmm, and that situation feltreal, real, real.
Like I was in have a taxbracket to be in this I'm
snitching if something happened.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I'm snitching on everybody in this motherfucker.
That's not snitching, that'swhat I say.
I'm like you guys is lawabiding citizens.
If you were in the criminalactivity with them and you start
telling you like if a fuckingcop came through that door, I
was like that nigga did it, hedid it my policy I'm

Speaker 3 (36:23):
telling on you my policy is I'm not gonna go out
my way to snitch, but if I'mapproached, yeah, if I'm put in
a position.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I might go out of my way.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I might just look at that and be like nah, nigga,
before there's anymisunderstandings that nigga did
it, he did it.
I came here for a motherfuckingmacaroni and chicken plate.
That nigga did, it did it.
I came here for a motherfuckingmacaroni and chicken plate.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
That nigga did it real fast see for your, your
pookie plate, nigga, I would'vewalked right out.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
I said it ain't worth it it was worth it, but man nah
, it ain't for me.
That shit was fire yeah, I'mnot.
I'm not, I'm good.
I already invested too muchtime.
I couldn't walk away.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
I told you that after the fact, I said, dude, if we
get a restaurant, Because whenyou told me I said wait, you
were here and you had to do it,I said nah, nigga, this is too
many red flags.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
It felt like a drug transaction.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
I won't lie, it's too many red flags to get to the
end result.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
I said I'm good that shit was fire, though you know
it was fire.
When I contemplated it in thebite I was like, was it worth it
?
Yeah, it was worth it.
I was like, would I do it again?
I took a bite and I was like,nah, I won't do it again.
I wouldn't do it again.
But I said, if you ever have afucking restaurant, I'll go to
that motherfucker, get a foodtruck pop up that shit was fire.
Get you Pookie plate.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
It's a bad neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
No, it wasn't Fucking right across from the
neighborhood's not bad.
The environment the environmentwas bad.
If you pick up the food, it'sbad.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
It was off of Reno Beach at the Walmart On the
inside.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah, it was the nice apartments across the way, like
you know how like, and theyJust their apartment was like
damn.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
You know, like the old series or Showtime series,
Weeds.
Yeah, they had the grow housesin the suburbs.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
They had a felony in every closet, yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
My heart always goes out to that Middle Eastern kid
that showed up for a pookieplate and when he opened the
door he was spooked.
He looked around and he waslike I'm here for a pookie plate
and they was like man nigga,you in the right place.
Sit your ass down and wait.
He looked terrified.
I was like yeah, nigga, Iunderstand this scenario Are

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they still cooking?
No, he's focused on his musicshit right now.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
It sounds like it was a snowball situation.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, there's a lot of fucking questions I would
have snitched.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Like Franklin was in the back.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I would have snitched.
I'm not trying to.
I'm not built for prison life.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
I just don't think it's snitching.
I'm not involved with y'allthis ain't.
I was here for.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
The police raided me.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
They be like hey, what are you doing here?

Speaker 3 (39:06):
But the thing is, you ain't got to be involved to
witness.
I don't want to witness shitBecause I'm look don't put me in
that situation.
I'm telling.
That's what I'm sayingImmediately.
So this is my public serviceannouncement to that community.
Don't let me witness nothing,Because if they come to me,
nigga I'm telling.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:27):
Because I'm not doing no time for nobody.

Speaker 1 (39:28):
Yeah, I'm not a criminal, I don't deserve to.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
I'm just saying they look at me like you snitching.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
I'm like no, I don't, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, no matter what my hair tells you guys, I'm not
a criminal in any way.
No thug in here.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah, I might tell them before.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
They haven't took that picture, my profile picture
.
I might look like I'm ahardened criminal, nigga.
I am not.
It was just a good angle, nigga, I don't know.
Uh, anyway, uh, moving on blackjoy, why is the celebration of
black joy so essential?
Even amidst systematicchallenges, because we got this
far shit yeah, every time hegives me the solidarity fist, I
in the moment I'm like nigga.
I'm defeated, but I like seeingthe fist.
It makes me feel like my nigga.
Yeah, you get it.
You understand it.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
This is a great success story to me.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
That's still going.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
Shout out to my classmate Mary.
She sent me something thismorning.
It was a LaRusso interviewabout having 100 pieces of
content.
Have you seen?
It yeah, yeah and she was likeyou guys are doing it and I was
like I need to see this shitthis morning.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
That nigga said don't complain, you got 100 episodes.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
I said we're at 183 today.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
I said I said to my my wife yesterday I think don't
complain, we ain't 100 episodesit's.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
It's not an easy task and every time somebody comes
up to me and goes, wow, you guyshad how many episodes do the
work, nigga?
And it's consistency and andeven with setbacks, we still say
you know what?
We still, we're still stayingthe course.
So I love seeing shit like thatand, uh, it inspires you.
Shout out to la russell.
Shout out to mary yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (41:13):
I think the black joy comes from.
I think we as black peopleunderstand just how much we had
to overcome.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So when you see another black person successful,
you see another black personout there doing good, you're
like, yeah, I see every day,when I wake up and I see my, the
neighbors that are of justminority, I look and I say I
know that they don't expectexpect us to be in this
neighborhood.
I get, I feel good, I feelhappy.

Speaker 3 (41:39):
I'll tell you that that's the one thing I love
about my street nigga.
On my street, the white people.
I fuck with that when they takethe milk like nigga.
What you doing over here?

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I'll fuck with that.
I'll tell you the people yousee in my neighborhood with the
toys.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Don't flip it.
They ain't white.
Don't become them.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Don't become the the product the people you see with
the toys in my neighborhoodain't white, it's everyone else.
They be fucking toyed up.
They got the fucking atvs, thefucking boats, the rvs.
Fuck man, and I love seeing it.
It may.
It inspires me to keep tryingto go for it.
So it's a beautiful thingcamping.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
You should like that, though what?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
that's different.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
Now you're gonna go glamping oh, I thought I'm
glamping all day yeah, I'll grabon my street.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
oh yeah, I thought you were going camping Right
outside.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Right the fuck outside In the backyard.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
So when it's time to go to bed, I'll walk back.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
He's like oh, you got all your camping shit.
Yeah, Are you moving the RV?
Nope, just setting up shopRight here, got the grill out,
yeah this is it.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
What is it gonna be yeah?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
man.
So I do think it is veryimportant to have celebration
amongst our, our culture and, uh, I do agree with, with you, mo,
uh, I think we, uh, I think itneeds to be seen for sure Like
cause.
It gives us that understandingthat it's possible, it's very

(43:14):
possible, cause a lot of timesyou, with the systematic
challenges that you startfeeling, sometimes, especially
in the, in the public eye, thatthey try to make it impossible
for us to believe that it, thatit is possible.
So when you see it in person,up close, you'd be like, yes,
nigga, I needed that.
So, moving on therespectability politics, how

(43:39):
does the concept of being twiceas good manifest in daily life?

Speaker 3 (43:48):
and why is it often?
Left unspoken the concept ofbeing twice as good, like where
it always tells you you have tobe twice as good at a job.
Oh, I'll see what you mean.
Um, I think that that's moremore so, like I, this is going
to sound racist as shit.
Fuck, I'm going to say it.

(44:09):
I feel like I feel like beingborn black.
You're labeled a threat, right,and I'm not talking about like
just a criminal threat, becauseI feel like there's a lot of
people within the blackcommunity who are not
highlighted that are haveachieved such a level of success
or such a level of education.

(44:31):
Um, the list, the list goes onand on.
Like, if you look at the, the,the inventions that wouldn't be
here without black people, the,the programs, the, the progress
that was made off the backs ofblack people, the fact that this
very country was built by blackpeople, even though they didn't
want to acknowledge it you knowwhat I'm saying?
Like so, and the harsh realityof the situation is is that we

(44:56):
black people have been labeledlazy since we stopped working
for free.
That's just the heart.
That's the harsh reality.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I think even in our culture or in our society rather
, it's not just black that uh,that we could play that with.
As far as, uh, ourunderstanding of like shit from
the woman's standpoint to justwhatever like we we constantly
have to deal with the thissetback.
I mean us being black, yeah,we're always set at a

(45:23):
disadvantage from get-go and I,and it's not it's not just to me
, it it's like.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
It's like it's a common understanding amongst
black people and otherminorities that we can mess up,
right, but the the consequencesof messing up, it's going to
take us a lot longer to kind ofget back like we're not going to
be uh forgiven as soon or asquick as other cultures, and we

(45:53):
understand that there is a apressure of being perfect.
You know what I'm saying.
That's why, um, you know, youreally have to have that, that,
that that uh kill or be killedtype mentality, because that's
that's what it takes to showyour worth in some circles, in
some instances, and I think that, well, I don't think it's right

(46:15):
that it's that way.
It's just a reality.
I do believe that I'm one ofthe few that survives to the
notion of, instead of trying toget into their doors, let's just
create our own type deal.
I understand that that's hardbecause history has showed us,
every time we try to create ourown, some people come around and

(46:40):
try to tear it down.
So, but it is, it's just one ofthose harsh realities that we
do have to be perfect.
It's like it's like it's like aremember the Titans.
You know what I'm saying we tobe perfect.
It's like it's like.
It's like Remember the Titans,you know what I'm saying.
We will be perfect in everyaspect of it.
You know what I mean, you knowwhat I'm saying.
And it's like that.
That, that drive to be perfect,that drive for perfect, for

(47:00):
perfection, I think that'sreally what pushes a lot of
people, especially a lot ofblack people, and I do think in
some instances we have beenbetter for it.
It has kind of forced us toevolve and kind of like
understand the playing field alittle better.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Huh, I guess, I mean I don't know, I don't agree with
having to be perfect, becausethat's nuts, because you can't
be, and that's just to know youmight have to be better.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
But well, I mean, that's, that's what's implied
with the perfect.
No, I get it, it's just.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
I don't look at it that way, because I'm like I
guess I'm more like so, nigga,that's what it is.
That's the cards we were dealt.
What the fuck am I gonna do todo other than?

Speaker 3 (47:42):
do what?

Speaker 1 (47:42):
I got to do.
You know what I'm saying.
So I'm like okay, I mean, ifI'm this good at this, if y'all
niggas don't want me, I'm sureI'll fight another way.
It's like because just I knowmy skill set from having to do
that, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
It takes a certain level of talent to constantly be
dealt.
Yeah, yeah, look out for theheavyweight podcast space
tournament.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I won't be there.
I won't be there either.
That nigga gonna be so low yeahso it was funny when I thought
about the question.
It made me think about how, whenI was growing up, my dad used
to always instill this shit,like he drilled it into me.
As far as the understanding ofmaking sure that my school

(48:30):
record was clean, as far as likestaying on it, as far as
because he's like they're goingto use it against you the moment
you have a fucking, you getinto that fight, make sure that
fight's worth it, because themoment they have an opportunity
to try to use against you,they're going to.
So like I would go through myentire fucking school time
thinking what my dad said overand over.

(48:52):
So like when this one kid'sfucking with me and I'm thinking
, is this the day I just fight?
And then I start thinking can Iget out of this fucking fight?
Because my dad said, if Idecide to go down this path,
what they're going to try to useagainst me later on in life,
like hey, but you got fightingon your record.
Just like what the fuck?
Like what if I was standing upfor myself is different, but

(49:12):
they're not going to give methat.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I mean with information.
I think that's a big thing too.
Yeah, because I feel likethere's things that, as I've
gotten older and gone throughthings and been through
different, I guess, avenues andlike just the workforce is that
you learn more and more and thenyou kind of like learn what is
actually possible and stuffwhere like oh, you're going to
try that, like OK, so I actuallyknow the rules in this and I

(49:37):
know how this works this, thatand the third so we could dance
if you want, but this is goingto end bad for you, like it's
going to suck because it's gonnatake our time.
But now that I understand howthis works, go for it.
Play you guys a little dumbassgame, but now I know how to
solve this.
Yeah, so it's like it's.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
It's almost like we don't know a lot of the shit and
also shout out the uh, wetouched on it when Afton was
here.
But shout out to Afton's dadbecause at the time they tried
to get me expelled from Northbut luckily he was like the
disciplinary yeah.
So when we went to talk to himhe was like nah, go back to

(50:18):
class, like.
But they tried, like, and itwas one of them things where he
knew it was like he's a blackman.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
An expulsion on your record is something different.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
And, like I asked him one simple question, I said if
they're claiming this about me,where's the proof?
And he went you're exactlyright, Go go, the fuck back to
class.
Like, but it was one of themthings.
He was the one that it camedown to him whether or not what
would be on my record and himbeing a black man.
He was just like he saw it andhe was like this kid ain't do

(50:47):
nothing wrong, but sure enough,in that class that fucking white
teacher looked at me like I wassome sort of fucking criminal,
even though I never caused anyissue in her class.
But it was one of the thingswhere the other kid just

(51:07):
happened to be white or whitepassing said one thing, so she
automatically believe what theysaid.
Sent me to to barty's officeand when he asked me the simple
layout of what happened he waslike they ain't got no evidence
and I I've never had you in mymy office for something that
that you caused.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Go go back to class it's funny you said that, man,
because it's like that's a,that's a, that's a repeating
class.
It's funny you say that, man,because it's like that's a
repeating thing amongst a lot Icould say probably a lot of
minorities, not just blackpeople, just say minorities,
right, because I had a coupleinstances of myself where it's
like I had one instance wherethey tried to get me expelled.
I didn't get expelled and Ithink what saved me from that

(51:42):
was did I whoop his ass?
Yeah, I whooped his ass.
I whooped his ass Like he hadto get his braces redone, I
whooped his ass.
Yeah, did he deserve it?
Hell yeah, because I told him.
I said you keep talking aboutmy mom or you can get your ass
whooped.
He didn't believe me, but I hadwitnesses that said, yeah, he
said what he said.
And so, and even like Iremember the whole thing, I
remember sitting down from theteacher or the principal.

(52:02):
I remember I think I had likeended up getting like a five day
suspension or some shit likethat.
But then I remember his parentstrying to press charges and all
this other shit.
But then when, once everythingcame to light, it was like, nah,
like, this was just like a,this was two kids going at it,
right, and so like.
But I remember they, themtrying to like get that on my

(52:23):
record so that it would carryalong with me.
And then I remember I hadanother incident where a girl,
another girl and I was gettinghigh school, a girl high school,
right, you know like, when theyused to do those fucking like
they call them like tittytwisters or whatever she came up
and did that shit to me and Iwas like what the fuck Like, how

(52:44):
would you like it if I did thisshit to you?
That was my words, right.
Motherfucking security guardheard me say that Now I'm in the
office talking about oh, he'sthreatening us.
I said so.
You heard me say this when sheactually did it to me.
But I'm in here and she's not.
So where were you?
Why are you here to protect me?
And that was a whole notherthing.
Like they try to label me asI'm out here trying to be
inappropriate and you know allthis shit.

(53:07):
And it's like.
Those are two instances I canremember instinctively, like no,
you guys are trying to put thisshit against me, right?
But I think what helped me was,like again, the fact that I had
people there to witness.
They actually had my back andsaid, no, this is how it
happened, this is what wouldhappen, and the fact that I was
a good student.
So it wasn't like I was aproblem student.
It wasn't like I was always inthe office.

(53:27):
It wasn't like I was reallyever.
No, I think those were only thetwo times I was ever really in
the office in high school.
But it's like I did feel, like Isaw in that moment, like fuck,
I got a target on my back justbecause I'm out here just living
, like I'm not, I'm just tryingto, I'm kicking it.
I think the second instance wewere just in the quad.
The other one, I think thefirst instance.

(53:48):
I think we were over by thebasketball courts or some shit.
But it's like I'm out here justdefending myself and now I'm in
trouble for defending myself.
Like you know what I'm saying,like now I could have hauled off
and hit her ass, but I didn't.
I probably should have, but Ididn't.
But you know what I'm saying.
No, I shouldn't know.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Nigga she.
She was a girl, but she wasn'ta girl.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
You know what?

Speaker 2 (54:12):
I mean, she was a big man, oh shit, you just made me
think of a story that happened.
You know what I'm saying.
But he slapped the shit out ofthat big girl.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
she flew, you know, he got expelled but it's just
like you know it is, it is.
It is something so like like Iwas similar to what your dad was
taught.
I was taught that same thing,like everything matters and that
in it and I've actually the sad, the sad part about it is that
that shit kind of um I'm, I'mkind of teaching that shit to my

(54:44):
daughter right now and I don'tknow if that's just fucking
generational or shit, becauseit's like, it's like they want
to label you certain shitbecause of because of your skin
color, and I was like this is abullshit and like I can identify
, my wife can identify it andshe just thinks she can.
You know, like and that's thefucked up part I will say so.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Even in that, like I had instances where black
teachers were, they wanted toput you in a category and it was
like what the fuck, like I'msupposed to be able to trust you
?
And then I was even insituations where, because I
didn't act like the other blackkids, they were putting me in a
box.
In a box.
So it's weird, it's a weirdnavigating that because you

(55:24):
don't realize box.
So it's weird.
It's weird navigating thatbecause you don't realize what
is, and it's not always otherraces, it's even your own
sometimes, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
All skin folk and king folk.

Speaker 2 (55:36):
But it's just trying to navigate it shit successfully
.
And even as parents, you'retrying to think what do you
explain to your kids when youwant them to believe that
everything is a fair playingfield?
And you know it ain't.
Even as parents who are tryingto think of how, what, what do
you explain to your kids whenthey're they?
You want them to believe thateverything is a fair playing
field, and you know it ain'tLike.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
How do you explain that to a six year old?
You don't, you can't.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
But back to that story.
Um, there was this big black orbig white girl.
Right, I don't even like thisnigga, but I sympathize with him
.
Right Me and this nigga nevergot on.
I mean, he was one of theniggas that battle that I had it
was three versus one.

(56:13):
So I really don't like thisnigga, but I sympathize with him
in this situation.
So this white girl was talkingshit and she got real bold and
she said some shit.
So she slapped him and hauledoff and slapped him in the face
and was like she was really inher caring and, um, he stood his
ground with all his might andslapped y'all.

(56:35):
He came from here he cockedback slapped her, lifted her ass
off the ground and she landedin mud.
Damn, they expelled his ass whyhe defended himself because he
what you were saying, he hit her, he defended himself I get, I.
I I completely condone thatbecause he it was a, it was

(56:58):
defending himself, but in thatinstance he was at a
disadvantage.
He was a black kid, she waswhite.
She's the woman, she was she.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
They didn't see the feminist they didn't see her
assault him oh no, they don'tcare about that part that was
you hit her, yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
So, like I'm saying, when you say, hey, I should have
, no the you shouldn't, it mightbe a whole different instance.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
I don't hit women.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
But I will say that I don't Hold on I didn't like the
nigga, but it was funny.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
I don't condone the violence.
So I'm sorry for cutting youoff.
I want to say I don't hit women, but that don't mean I don't
want to.
I just don't do it because Ifeel like sometimes they need to
get their ass slapped.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
The words Nipsey, I'll check your jaw and I have
my homegirl check your jaw.
That would have been the bestscenario.
Rest in peace, nipsey.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, I'm going to go tell Watts now.
You don't want to fuck withWatts?

Speaker 2 (57:59):
But yeah, anyway, it wasn't intentional for it to be
a thing about black culturetoday, but it kind of felt yeah,
fuck it right because of thesituation that happened to work
and, like I said, thesequestions are curated by what
happens in life, so I justthought it was so funny because

(58:21):
it was without.
It was just instinct, pureinstinct, when that nigga said
do you go camping?
I said nigga, and I just lethim look.
And he was, he knew exactlywhat the look was and everybody
else was like I don't get it.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
I was like that's the point, I would've been the
wrong one to ask.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I told him that.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
You.
I told him that exactly.
I said Kevin.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
I said, if it had been Kevin, you get a whole
different.
But there's always exceptions.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah, I always say nigga don't, we don't, kevin
don't count.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Why I'm a nigga, you are a nigga, but I'm saying if
that question it'd be theexception, he'd be the exception
, one that we If you guys don'tknow, mr Wendell, his situation
is funny because he's a niggahanging out with the blacks, but
the blacks ain't niggas.
Well played, sir.

(59:12):
That was Mo Button's mindworking, because that was a bar.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
Anyway, with that being said, Hold on, hold on,
but his wife got niggas.
I love Amanda, she's great,she's fucking funny.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
she's probably one of my favorite white people with
that being said she'll call youor text you be like oh thanks,
mom, oh thanks with that beingsaid, this has been episode 183
of the Heavyweight Podcast.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Thank you for rocking with us Again.
Des couldn't be here.
Happy belated birthday.
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We love you, Peace, Peace.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
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