What happens when a vegan restaurateur becomes a regenerative cattle rancher and homeschooling mom? In this groundbreaking episode of The Homeschool How To Podcast, Cheryl interviews Mollie Englehart, a trailblazing voice in regenerative farming, food sovereignty, and natural living.
Mollie owned five successful vegan restaurants in Los Angeles—until her journey into composting, soil health, and motherhood unraveled everything she once believed about food, nutrition, and the environment.
🌿 In this episode, we explore:
- Why Mollie left the vegan lifestyle behind
- The truth about how our food is grown—and what it's doing to our health
- Raising and educating kids on a working ranch
- The deep connection between soil health, gut health, and the microbiome
- Raw milk myths debunked—and why it’s making a comeback
- How modern medicine has strayed from nature’s wisdom
- Why Mollie is raising her children to be self-reliant, curious, and resilient
Whether you're curious about regenerative farming, unschooling, or the raw milk movement, this episode will challenge everything you thought you knew about health, nutrition, and education.
🔖 Mentioned in this episode:
👉 Mollie’s upcoming book Debunked by Nature — Pre-order here
👉 Sovereignty Ranch
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👉 Enroll now for Excelsior Classes Fall 2025 — perfect for homeschoolers!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to this week's episode of the Homeschool
How-To.
I'm Cheryl and I invite you tojoin me on my quest to find out
why are people homeschooling,how do you do it, how does it
differ from region to region,and should I homeschool my kids?
Stick with me as I interviewhomeschooling families across
the country to unfold theanswers to each of these
(00:26):
questions week by week.
Welcome, and with me today Ihave Molly Englehart, a former
vegan turned cattle rancher.
Welcome, molly.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm honored to be here thisevening.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm glad I read over that little part.
I'm not sure, like you know,when the requests come in, I'm
kind of looking at it and like,okay, yes, let's get you on.
And I forgot that.
You know, you were the one thatsaid that.
So I'm glad I went back to thebeginning of our conversation
this morning.
It makes me sound veryorganized, which I am.
Anything but how, and we willget into homeschooling.
(01:11):
But how did you and I think Iknow because I used to be quite
a liberal- myself.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But how did you go from a vegan to a cattle rancher
?
So I owned a chain of verywell-known restaurants in Los
Angeles called Sage Vegan Bistroand they were very, very
popular.
I had five locations across theLos Angeles area and I started
all those restaurants with themost integrity of that.
I believed it was what was bestfor the planet and it was the
best diet.
And all of that, and throughwanting to be the best
(01:36):
environmentalist, I started tofind out other stuff.
My brother started a foundationcalled Kiss the Ground, which
was a soil nonprofit, and he hasthe movies right?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, kiss the Ground and Common Ground yes exactly,
yes, okay, yep, I've seen him onthe high wire so he has really
given me a lot of context.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And so I start realizing that food waste in my
restaurants is actually wayworse and methane is worse than
carbon and carbon is kind of apsyop.
And so I start to realize allof these things and I decide I
need land so that I can compostall of the food from my
restaurants and turn it intosoil.
So I'm like totally on towanting to do this.
(02:20):
And it's not easy, we can getalone.
It takes a lot of time but wefinally get our own land and we
start composting.
Then we start growingvegetables and then I realized
compost without animal manure isjust not the business and it's
not really nutrient dense.
And little by little I just I'msitting there breastfeeding my
(02:41):
baby and then we get this cow sowe can have her poop for the
manure.
And then I'm like feeding mytoddler oat milk from Costco
while I'm breastfeeding my babyand I'm looking at my cow, una,
who we're milking off becauseshe makes more milk than her
baby can drink and we don't wanther to get mastitis, and I'm
just like, if my breast milk isgold, like the best thing that's
(03:05):
ever happened to my child, howcould Una's breast milk cause
cancer and be filled with bloodand pus and be like cancer,
causing worse than all the stuffthat I've been led to believe
about dairy, and so I kind ofquietly just started feeding my
kids raw milk.
But I'm like still make myliving selling vegan food and
(03:26):
I'm still in this vision of likea farm where nothing dies and I
then just keep farming and Ijust keep realizing there's no
vegan food.
Essentially, everything isdying and feeding things that
are living, and whether I have apiece of steak on my plate or
not does not absolve my platefrom the death that contributed
(03:48):
to it.
And that's what my book that'scoming out in August is about.
It's called Debunked by Natureand it really just looks at, if
we want to be truth seekers andwe want to know what the truth
is, we should take these ideasinto nature, into farming, into
the savanna, into the woods andsay, like does that work?
Like, do bulls have babies orcan we milk a bull?
(04:12):
You cannot Just spoiler alerton that one and just start to
look at everything.
Like, every mammal on the planetprioritizes water, food,
shelter.
Some of them prioritize shelterand then reproduction, and we
have somehow we're really goodat shelter, but we've abandoned
reproduction, we've abandonedour water, we've abandoned our
(04:32):
food, and so I just start to seelike anything that wants me to
not be fertile, anything thatwants me to not have clean,
healthy basic food, then that'sa lie.
And then I.
So I just start going andrealizing that the construct of
almost everything that Ibelieved was getting broken by
(04:52):
farming.
And even though I grew up on afarm and I was and then.
But then I went to college at17 and lived in Los Angeles and
totally bought the whole storyabout the environment and
everything and I thought this isthe way to help.
And then I started to justrealize that veganism was
another thing that started outwith a good intention that has
(05:14):
been co-opted for evil.
And that was the beginning ofmy journey.
And COVID destroyed myrestaurants and all that I had
Not COVID.
Covid didn't destroy anythingand all that I had not COVID.
Covid didn't destroy anything.
Bureaucracy and bad policiesand bad politics around the
event we call COVID had us loseour restaurants.
So when all these bad policiesdestroyed my restaurants, we
(05:38):
ended up closing three, and thenI had the last two restaurants
and I had this thought well, ifI don't at least try to do them
as regenerative agriculture?
I've been living kind ofsecretly not secretly, because I
mean, obviously I bought thisranch in Texas.
It has an Instagram.
I'm on it, but I've been verylow key, like never saying like
(05:59):
we harvest animals, never sayingthat anything.
I never show my husband eatingmeat, even though I mean I'd
stated in podcasts and stuffthat he did and I was.
I was literally like afraid ofthe vegans if we could be honest
about it.
And so I decided I'm just goingto come out on Earth Day 2024.
And I'm going to tell everybodythat I'm.
(06:19):
The restaurants are not workingin their current form and I
think that it's partiallybecause it's not in alignment
with what I believe in the world.
And what I believe in the worldis that regenerative
agriculture is the mostimportant thing.
Soil is the most importantthing.
73% of the DNA in healthy soilis the same as the DNA in a
healthy gut.
(06:40):
It's clear, god has made us toeat of healthy soil and we're
not doing it.
So this is what I think is themost important thing and I'm
shifting no more veganism.
And I went hard to do it andlike it.
Just the vegans protested andlike clear out the restaurant on
father's day, clear out therestaurant on mother's day,
throwing blood on the front ofthe restaurant like all this not
(07:02):
real blood, I'm sure, but, andyou can look it up, I'm sure,
but, and you can look it up likevegan rest if you Google it and
you can look it up veganrestaurant turned and then,
basically five months later wewent out of business.
I couldn't make it work and itsucks because a lot of the
farmers that I was trying tohelp I now like owe money to and
I'm paying like littleincremental payments, just from
(07:22):
what me and my husband can do,because all the restaurants went
out of business and to make thefinal payroll, we had to sell
our bitcoin and our lifeinsurance and to make
everybody's final paychecks.
So $200,000 to close a businessthat will never give us
anything.
And so now me and my husbandare without our nest egg,
starting over here atSovereignty Ranch in Texas and
(07:45):
it's scary and we're way out onthe skinny branches.
And I was selling myrestaurants at the beginning of
COVID for 25 to $31 million, soI thought I was like about to
retire and just be a full-timemom, and now I'm like totally
starting over, with all of therug ripped out from under me.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And did you have any idea that like coming out of the
closet as a meat eater nowwould have that effect?
Would you have changed the wayyou did it?
Would you have sold all therestaurants and then just stayed
quiet Like if you could do itover?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I would have sold the restaurants and not stayed
quiet, Like I was always had theintention of doing something in
the regenerative space, but Icouldn't sell the restaurant.
I tried to had the intention ofdoing something in the
regenerative space, but Icouldn't sell the restaurant.
I tried to sell the restaurants.
Then COVID happened and we lostthe deal.
It was like 30 I was going toget 30 between 25 and 31 million
dollars and it was threequarters.
We had to meet these specificmarkers.
(08:37):
Quarter four of 19 I crushed it.
Quarter one of 2020 crushed itlike all I had to get 31 million
.
All I had to do is have themost basic quarter I've ever had
.
Like the lowest quarter I'd hadin the last five years would
have still got me the 31 millionand even if I had worse than
that, I was still going to be atthe between 25 and 31 million.
(08:58):
But the whole deal fell apartand disappeared because the
whole hospitality sector wentunder, kind of, and especially
in cities like LA, where two anda half years no indoor dining.
Two and a half years no indoordining.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's insanity.
It was and it was to close downpeople that owned their own
businesses, because Walmart'sstayed open and you know the big
box chain places like theAmazon was still delivering, so
people were inside amazon it wasall about.
It was all about the independentwealth maker and they
absolutely and there's so muchabout what you just said that
(09:34):
resonates with me because, likeI said, being before you know,
very liberal, and I'm in newyork, um, and it took like a
shift in my thinking as wellduring COVID and watching the
high wire and realizing, oh man,we've been lied to.
And my husband's, like I'vebeen telling you this stuff for
years, like you kind ofmentioned, with the windmills
(09:55):
and being everything going tosolar power and batteries, and
he would come home from his joband he's like no, I work with
this stuff every day.
It's not at all better for theenvironment, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So I was like yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Obama says it is, we got to believe Obama and then
once COVID happened and Istarted actually researching the
stuff that he was saying andthe high wire was saying, I was
like, oh my God, we've been liedto in that.
It sucks realizing that and Ithink that's why your clientele
it's easier for them to all gangup together and be mad at you
than to confront that you mightactually have some knowledge
(10:28):
that they didn't have before andthey don't want to face it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And it, and so, to answer your question, I knew, I
knew that the vegans would belike that.
I just thought that the peoplethere was more people like me
and you that had woken up thatwould like be like hell, yes,
let's support her.
And there was.
I mean, I had people from driveup from San Diego, like I saw
you on this podcast, and I hadto drive up here and help you
(10:52):
and like support you, and therewas those people.
But there, la is just so.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
LA, yeah, yeah, I've never been, but I'm sure it's
like New York, very like NewYork, new York but more
spreadable.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, I'm in upstate but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So okay.
So how many kids do you have?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I have four kids that I birthed out of my body, and
then I took guardianship ofsomeone who came as an
unaccompanied minor during thefirst Trump administration and
he was already in high schoolwhen he came to live with us and
he has parents, um, that werehere that he was trying to
(11:29):
reunite with and, throughvarious circumstances, he ended
up, uh, with us.
So, him and he's 22 now, andthen, uh, I have four that are
10, eight, 10, eight, five andtwo.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Nice, that's fun.
So you're kind of living thisfarm life now, which you didn't
think you were going to beraising your kids in that
environment, but you'rehomeschooling them on the farm.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yes, well, we had a farm and no, so I got out of
farm in California too.
So my kids have almost alwaysthe second two were born on the
farm in California and then, um,the first one took her, took
her, I mean, the second one tookher first steps on the farm.
So my kids have kind of alwaysbeen farm kids.
Yes, we do.
I'd say 75% unschooling and 25%homeschooling, and so we have a
(12:18):
.
I have a teacher that comes inthree days a week and helps me
three mornings a week for threehours to get the really
structured math and reading andall of that.
And, and then an additionallady that comes in on Wednesday
afternoons for additionaltutoring for my one son who is
behind, in quotation marks, theytell you everything about a
(12:40):
duck-billed platypus, but he'snot that good at reading.
Um, he could tell owners betelling you all this information
like whoa.
But yeah, reading is not histhing.
But I'm also learning disabledin reading, I was dyslexic, and
so, you know, we'll see I, Ithink it'll work itself out.
Um, so, yeah, we do about, I'dsay, seven percent like farm
(13:01):
school.
You, you know, helping pullcalves, dealing with, you know,
sick animals, bottle feedingcalves, making products for the
farm store.
They have some of their ownspecific products that they make
in the farm store and they makerevenue from, and then they
help like overall with otherstuff, checking on, you know,
animals collecting eggs, all ofthese kind of other working in
(13:25):
the restaurant, working on thePOS, figuring out how to ring
customers up.
So it's like it's like thatit's a combination of
unschooling, entrepreneurialschool, and then regular like
classes where they're doingworkbooks and all of that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, cause in California I assume you probably
have stricter regulations, likewe do, where you have to report
every quarter and what you'redoing and how they're doing, and
probably some testing at someage.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
In California, yes, but now I'm in Texas so I got to
as of.
Well, I stayed with theCalifornia program to finish out
their year, so we had all thedocuments.
But then, yeah, in Texas youjust have to have a curriculum
that you're doing and then so,and then you have to say that
you're homeschooling.
I think that's it's very muchless, it's very, it's much more
(14:13):
homeschool friendly.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, that's awesome and you got to think of the
backend stuff that your kids aregetting exposed to, like when
you want to introduce them to.
This is how we do taxes.
This is how we you know setthis up.
This is how we set up our k'sor retirement or you know that
sort of stuff.
They can really be part of allof that.
They're learning and it's it'sso funny with the raw milk go
ahead the other day.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Rio goes outside and he goes oh, it's a nice day.
You think that god made it, orthe wet, or the government is
controlling it.
And I said oh, we're allindoctrinating our children,
whether we like it or not.
That's clearly like we're onlylike my mother Somebody would
say something like that.
That got into him.
But he's like oh, it's a niceday, is it God made or
(14:59):
government made?
Oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
He's not wrong.
And every movie will tell you,even the kids' movies, that you
know they're manipulating theweather.
And they tell us that duringVietnam they were manipulating
the weather, so why wouldn'tthey be doing it now?
You know, I have a sister inHawaii and she was like oh yeah,
no, the Hawaii fires were not.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, my mom's in Hawaii, yeah, she's like they
were not natural events.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Not natural events, events for sure, and it's scary.
And so, yeah, we have to nowraise kids in a world like this.
And there is that fine linewhen do you step with Like, do
you want your child to soundlike a crazed human being out in
the, I would say, real world?
But I guess the public is thebetter way to put it, because
they're not in the real world.
But I guess the public is thebetter way to put it because
they're not in the real world,but the majority of the people.
But then, you know, I also wantmy kids to understand why we're
not in the school system andwhy I want them to know how to
(15:54):
build a fire, find water, youknow, build shelter, like.
I want them to have thoseskills because, even if they
never need them, their kidsmight, their kids might, you
know, know.
You can just never tell whatthe future will bring and we've,
in a generation or two, gottenrid of knowing how to do
anything on our own.
You said it in the beginning ofthis episode.
You said animals, you watchthem.
(16:14):
They have a need for survivaland they look for shelter and
water and food and thenprocreation, and the government
has literally taken away all ofthat from us.
And then we wonder why peopleare so depressed and have no
purpose in life.
It's like, well, that we arecomfy here.
You know they tell us to.
You know you can order Amazonto come to your door.
(16:34):
We're all comfy, we're not inany wars.
Knock on wood right now andthen your food can come right to
your door.
And you know, they have totallydisconnected us from even
knowing where our food comesfrom.
And they don't want usprocreating, like you said
before.
They're.
Oh hey, you, you, you want yourhair shorter.
You must want to be a girl andlet's put you on medicine right
now, at eight years old, so thatyou can never have a child of
(16:56):
your own.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It's, it's so crazy and my kids are getting so much
knowledge that is just fromobserving like humans and being
in the world that I feel reallyproud of them.
My friend passed away last weekfrom breast cancer and the
second person that my 10 yearold, my best friend died in 2018
(17:19):
of breast cancer as well, andwe found out she was going into
hospice last Friday night andthen she passed away less than a
week later and when we foundout my husband we were all.
We have a big double king bed,two California kings.
We're a big co-sleeping family,so we have all six of us were
in the bed and we I got a textmessage that said she was going
(17:39):
into hospice and my husbandturned off the tv right away and
said let's pray for Wendy andher family.
My son, my 10 year old hestarted weeping so hard and I
said what is it right now, like,what is it that you're feeling
sad about, or what are youfeeling about Wendy's death?
And he said well, when there'sa really strict dad, you need a
(18:00):
mom to make balance, and nowthose kids only have a dad with
no mom and I thought I love thatthat he sees that and I can see
that too and I'm sure that thisis going to soften Dana.
Losing your wife, I assume will.
I don't know.
You know, and I trust that Godtotally has it handled and he's
going to do a great job.
But I just noticed in my 10year old that he's observing or
(18:24):
noticing things that I don'tnotice all other 10 year old,
that he's observing or noticingthings that I don't notice all
other 10 year olds that are ontheir screens or watching, you
know, just scrolling or watchingTikTok videos, are necessarily
present to and I just think thatthat's beautiful.
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Speaker 2 (19:18):
The other day I was doing a farm tour and I wasn't
being that present to theanimals, I was just like talking
and doing my blah, blah, blah,blah blah and my son is like hey
, mom, that goat had a baby andthe baby is missing.
And he was totally right.
The goat had a full udder,there was blood on her vagina
and there was a missing baby.
And we never found the baby.
It seems like a predator got it, but I didn't even notice that
(19:39):
and we all went into likefinding the goat and and he did,
he saw it.
And so I think there's waysthat he's more perceptive and
there's other ways he's totallychecked out, like he doesn't
have any idea about wanting tobe cool or like if these shoes
are, like everything is aboutcomfort, like he doesn't care if
some clothes are cool or hejust wants to be comfortable,
and so there's other ways thathe yeah, it doesn't fit into
(20:02):
society or maybe could be madefun of from other kids, but he
can drive a bobcat, he can drive, excavator he can drive.
He has a little golf cart likea little jeep looking golf cart
that's a stick shift that he candrive, and he's 10 years old,
you know what I mean.
He can do things in the realworld and he's really into roses
(20:22):
.
He plants rose bushes, he namesthem, and so I think he's
observing in a way that otherpeople are maybe not observing
because they're so in all of thedevices and in all of the
educating to get them to knowfacts.
And I just noticed that he'sobserving in other kinds of ways
(20:43):
and I think that that is reallygreat and I think that I feel
good about that.
And people say they're going tobe socially awkward.
Even my own brother was likedon't you feel like Rio needs,
because he's the oldest, and solike, don't you think he needs
more kids his age?
And I was like maybe I mean wecan work on trying to get him to
hang out with more kids his age.
But I'm so grateful that myoldest is my.
(21:05):
He's like my rule follower.
He is like I'm gonna have toteach him to be rebellious, it's
not in his nature.
But I'm so grateful that myoldest one is the one that's
like, sees danger and is like yo, no, solely, don't jump off the
cliff, because if myfive-year-old was the oldest,
we'd be in big trouble, becausehe's always like smashing
something, jumping off somethingcomplete, just like a ball of
(21:28):
testosterone in the world.
And so you know, I feel reallygrateful that my kids get to
play in this world of the farmand there is real dangers.
There's rattlesnakes, there'sother driving vehicles.
They're doing all this stuffand I think that it's important
for kids to know how to do stuffin the real world and if we
don't allow them to do dangerousthings carefully, then what are
(21:52):
they going to be able to dowhen they get older?
Write a lot about this in mybook about.
We have a culture of people thatliterally think being
uncomfortable means something iswrong.
But literally beinguncomfortable is the human
experience for the lastthousands of years, and we have
just gotten to a point in thelast hundred and fifty years
where comfort is like a thing.
(22:14):
Last 150 years where comfort islike a thing Like you think
that people that like tookwagons across the whole United
States and died of dysenterywere shot in between the battles
and like all of the things,like in order for each one of us
to be here, we had relativesthat were like excellent at
hunting and really hard fighters, workers, whatever to get us
(22:36):
here, and I think a lot of usare not doing any justice to our
predecessors that survived somuch to get us here.
And as an employer, you knowpeople are like oh, I don't want
to go to that table.
They're making me uncomfortable.
And I think to myself did theyhit on you?
Did they smack your ass?
What happened?
Well, no, I forgot theirappetizer and I got them the
(22:56):
wrong soup, and then I droppedtheir drink, and so now they
don't.
They're annoyed with me and Ifeel uncomfortable.
Okay, well, go fall on thesword, apologize, get them a
free dessert and tell themyou're not committed to this
kind of service and you're goingto make it better.
And then, literally, theemployee is like well, if you're
not going to have my back, thenI don't want to work here
because I don't want a boss thatdoesn't have my back.
(23:16):
And I'm thinking to myself likewhere did we get this idea that
being uncomfortable is wrong?
We have to be able to pushthrough discomfort.
I pushed four babies out of myvagina and you know what?
It's really hard work and it'sreally uncomfortable.
And we need to be trainingpeople to be good at being
uncomfortable and pushingthrough things, or we're just
(23:38):
going to have a society ofpeople that want to suck on the
tit of the government and not besufficient in any ways.
And I don't mean selfsufficient, I mean community
sufficient.
We can't be self sufficient.
There's no self sufficiency.
That's another PSYOP Like.
Nobody self-sufficient.
You're just either moresufficient in your community or
you're more sufficient withDoorDash and Amazon and
(24:03):
Instacart, but you're stilldepending on a community like,
committed together to supporteach other, and you may still be
paying those people as well,but those are the two ways that
we can do it.
But no man is an Island.
Nobody is self-sufficient, andso what I really hope is that
I'm training my kids we livewith 22 people on the land that
(24:25):
I'm training them in how tonavigate human beings, because
navigating other human beings isthe hardest part of the world.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, and you don't learn that in school because
you're just told to sit down,shut up and obey, not really
questioned.
This is the way it is.
I mean, we never even thinklike, well, who wrote this
textbook?
How do we know that this is theright way?
This is just one side of thestory.
I'm sure the people on theother side have a difference.
Even during, you know, world WarII in Germany, I'm sure there
(24:55):
were Germans that had adifferent perspective than what
we see in our textbooks today.
You know For sure.
I'm sure we leave out a lot ofour own stuff too.
But yeah, and I love whatyou're saying too about like I
didn't think we needed thisstuff anymore either back when I
was, you know, in the matrix.
But now that I'm in thehomeschooling community and I
have friends, you know we gettogether every week and you know
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they have gardens where theyactually garden together and
share the stuff.
I have my own garden here whichI just kind of like dabble with
, see what works and whatdoesn't.
But I I did take the step inthe last year or two to start
getting my meat and poultry fromlocal farmers.
I didn't even know that thatwas a possibility.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I was like what do you mean you?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
get a half a cow.
What do you do with half a cow?
And now it's like okay, well, Ido use chat, GPT to figure out
what I do with this cut of meat,because I, you know, never
worked with this before or youknow.
But it is just knowing, like ifa crisis were to happen.
And this is what I like to say.
I want my kids to not have todepend on FEMA coming If there
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was a wildfire or a hurricane,or you know, China invades or
aliens come down.
It doesn't really matter whatit is.
You can't, like you said, likeyou can't, we can't do it all
ourselves.
So we have to know the localfarmers have to know somebody
that grows vegetables.
We have to know where water,clean water, is.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I literally want to read you this, um, this comment
I got today.
Let me see, and because thisperson was literally like they
said, in this day and age, wedon't need to grow our food.
Guns are lame christ, lameChristians are out.
You've lost your way.
And I'm like, wow, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I got a similar comment.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And we don't need to grow our own food.
It's 2025, he started with.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You don't need to grow your own food.
Where do they think thevegetables are coming from at
the grocery store?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I love that because I'm like they're all from Bill
Gates' lab.
I guess People always say, likewhat's the big deal about
farmers?
Everything you need is at HEBor at Vons or at Wegmans.
Like really, really, how did itget there?
Where do you think that camefrom?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, well, they think Bill Gates made them all
in a lab, and pretty soon hewill.
But is that what you want?
Do you want all those chemicalsin your body?
And then we don't know why weall have autism.
We don't know why we're allgetting cancer.
We don't know why we all haveAlzheimer's and dementia.
I mean, come on people, Ididn't have this stuff 200 years
ago.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm not even into hydroponics and this is going to
upset some people, but Iliterally think hydroponics is
an abomination.
We are 73% the same DNA in ourgut as soil.
We are meant to eat from thesoil.
Stop it.
Stop growing in water withchemicals, even organic
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chemicals.
Soil is an intricate part ofthe food process.
We cannot just take out healthysoil and think that we can pour
nutrients on dirt, or pournutrients on some sort of
growing medium or just water andthink that it does the same.
In a handful of healthy soilthere is more living beings than
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there are human beings on thewhole planet and we are
literally acting as if it is notan important part of the planet
and it is so everybody.
That's a bobblehead for theenvironment and carbon, carbon,
carbon, carbon carbon.
My question is like do you,what are you doing to save the
soil?
Because if the soil goes, weall go, like the bees.
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If the bees goes, we all go.
There is no world where we canjust live without soil and we
already have a highlyindustrialized microbiome and it
starts like this.
So it's not just the food inthe supply chain, it starts with
birth.
Now, c-sections are somewherebetween 40 and 70 percent of
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births in this country,depending which hospital.
Now I want to say this is not ajudgment.
I had a hospital birth.
My first birth was emergency.
Go to the hospital.
Vacuum episiotomy I'm notjudging, but there's a cascade
once we start implementingpitocin and then you're going to
need epidural and then all thiscascade of hormones that needs
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to happen in your body to have anatural birth has to happen and
by us intervening we end upwith much more c-sections.
And now I'm not saying thereisn't times where you just need
to have a c-section foremergency.
I'm not saying that.
So anyway, it's out there.
It's already offended by me,calm down, but we don't.
We definitely don't need 40%and definitely not 70%
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C-sections.
But so when you have a C-sectionthe baby comes out back to
microbiome into the hospitalroom.
This is the operating roomwhere someone had a heart
surgery a week ago and someonehad a leg surgery and a boob
surgery and whatever.
What kind of microbiology is inthe air in that room?
Gnarly stuff that can surviveall the chemicals in the
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hospital.
Now that is what inoculates thebaby.
But the baby should go face out, coming facing the anus, out
the vagina and get squished thejuice from the birth canal into
eyes, ears, nose, mouth, vagina,penis, butt, everything.
All is getting inoculated withthe perfect microbiology from
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the mother.
And do you know that there'smicrobiology that lives in our
colon, that doesn't ever leaveour colon, that migrates to the
vagina right before birth andthen somehow we magically don't
get an infection from this stuffthat's that shouldn't be there
so that we can inoculate ourbabies and then so that's the
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first thing, so we do that.
Then we start poking with lotsof pokey things immediately as
soon as they come out, and thenwe try to try to breastfeed and
we didn't have the correcthormonal cascade for bonding
with the baby.
We didn't have the correcthormonal cascade for
breastfeeding.
And I know this because I had atraumatic like I tried to have
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a home birth and my coccyx bonewas broken.
They had to, actuallysurgically, they had to reach in
me and break my coccyx bone toget him out, because it had
healed in a bad position and thebaby couldn't get out.
So I was like emergency go tothe hospital.
And I know because I didn'tfeel connected to my first child
for months and so if I wasn'talready like totally
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indoctrinated into that,breastfeeding was the so the
most important thing I could dofor my child and I was feeling
so disconnected and so exhaustedand migraines from the epidural
and all this stuff I definitelywouldn't have breastfed him.
I just had was like had alreadymade up my mind a hundred
percent that there was nothingthat was going to stop me, and
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cracked nipples and didn't haveenough milk and all that like,
just keep trying and the body'sgoing to sort it out.
But if I didn't have thatcommitment, if I was like I'm
going to try breastfeeding andsee how it goes, I definitely
wouldn't have followed through,because I didn't have any of
that.
Where my other children, that Ihad them at home in the comfort
of my own bed, with the cascadeof hormones, it all, the
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connectedness, the breastfeeding, everything came so much easier
.
So with that cascade of thingsthat happens in the hospital,
creating traumatic birthsurgeries, then that cascades to
less breastfeeding, which thencascades to less microbiology.
And so by the time kids aregetting to even eating solid
foods, they already have missedout on the majority of the
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microbiology that was supposedto create the foundation for
them.
And then we're getting olderand we're feeding them food that
was grown hydroponically or wasdipped in bleach before they
got it.
How can we have a healthymicrobiology?
How can we have a healthyimmune system?
We really have to go back tothat and I recommend and I'm
going to say this out loud andplease tell the other mothers if
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somebody does have a c-sectionbirth somebody the dad, the
midwife, somebody swab thevagina and get it in that baby's
mouth, nose, eyes and earsaround their genitals, get it
everywhere on them, because thatis what is meant to start their
microbiology.
That is God's perfect plan andwe can't just skip it and have a
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baby into a sterile environment, because it actually is not
meant to be in a sterileenvironment.
It's meant to come out throughthe birth canal and over the
anus.
That's the way it's meant tocome out.
Anyways, I'm really intomicrobiology and healthy guts,
and I could even go on that wecan keep going that healthy soil
operates more powerfully thanSSRIs and so we're so
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disconnected from the soil, andthen we can look at every single
shooting, mass shooting that'shappening.
All of them are on SSRIs orother pharmaceuticals for mental
health.
Would we need those if we hadhealthy microbiology?
I'd be interested to see thestatistics and I don't know the
answer to this, but onformula-fed babies C-section
babies then how much of them endup on SSRIs, and then you know
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how does that all connect?
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Speaker 2 (34:41):
Because I think it's a cascade that we have in our
culture right now.
And then there's the sanitizer.
Mothers are just obsessed withsanitizing everything and it
just goes on and on and on.
And essentially, breast milk isthe perfect foundation for all
of the perfect microbiology andwe can't reproduce it like we
literally can't.
And if you can't get breastmilk because you don't have it
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or it's the same sex, marriageor whatever the things are
adoption, I highly recommend rawgoat milk over formula, because
it's just aren't.
We are not doing any servicesby not setting up the proper
foundation.
And I had a whole epiphany aboutthis and I ended up doing 46
days only drinking raw milkbecause I was having such a hard
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time losing weight after I hadfour kids after 37, right so I
gained weight with each of themand I had this epiphany like, oh
my God, I need to reset mymicrobiome like a baby.
And so I did 46 days and I lost40 pounds and I totally reset,
like my cravings and everything.
I feel great and I feel like myskin looks better.
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I feel like everything I justhad and I was breastfed and I
was a vaginal birth and all that.
But I just had this thoughtlike bifida bacteria, there's
certain things that start towane in our older age.
And how could I reset that andhow could I get it back?
And so I did this 46 days rawmilk, fast and was amazing 3000
calories, not even coffee.
(36:07):
Huh, I did I get.
It was Lent and I always giveup coffee for Lent, so I gave up
both, but you could do it withcoffee.
I think that that wouldn't be aproblem.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Coffee and raw milk, raw milk in my coffee, so.
But yeah, I was just at aconference.
Uh, max Cain was the conferencelike head of it, and Del Biggry
was there.
I was telling you about that.
But yeah, the whole thing wasabout food farm, farm freedom
and knowing where your foodcomes from and the raw milk.
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And I'm in New York.
It's illegal here, so we havelike an underground like system
with the Amish where they dropoff raw milk and raw yogurt, raw
cream and stuff, butter, cheese.
It's like it's crazy that I hada meme last year too that was
like oh, this was me at 19trying to buy alcohol and here's
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me at 42 trying to buy milk.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I just I designed a t-shirt that everybody's too
scared for me to put up on thewebsite but it says raw milk,
the real white privilege.
And because it's white and it'sa privilege because it's
illegal in 20 something States,and so I think it's funny and my
husband thinks it's white andit's a privilege because it's
illegal in 20 something states,and so I think it's funny and my
husband thinks it's funny andhe's like, just do it.
But my sister-in-law and mybrother and they're like I don't
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know, there's no reason to stirthe pot and just put a racist
shirt on the website.
I'm like it's not a racistshirt, it's like, literally true
, raw milk is the real whiteprivilege.
It's white and it's a privilegeto get it.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It is.
I'm much happier and yeah, andI was, I'm someone who I had a
vaginal birth for my son, but I,like you, said I wasn't gung ho
, that I was definitely going tobreastfeed.
I was like, let's see how itgoes.
And three weeks in got mastitisand okay, here's your formula.
I did get the formula fromGermany, which was much better
than where we had here.
But and then my daughter theytold me I needed a C-section
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because they were like yourplacenta is covering your cervix
, placenta previa, and yes, youhave to have this C-section.
And I guess, knowing what Iknow now, maybe I would have
gone to some other.
I went to get another opinion,but it was like the person that
my doctor sent me to, so I don'tthink that counts.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And he told me with every child that I had partial
placenta previa, every singlechild.
And I didn't even go get a scanWith my last kid.
I didn't get an ultrasound, Ididn't get anything, I didn't do
anything.
But by the end it was stillfully covering at 40 weeks or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
No, I don't think it was fully, it was like half over
.
So I think, they made it soundlike it would have ruptured and
I would die.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, but I don't know, I don't know either, but
they always told me it waspartial and then, and then
they'd want me to do come in forextra scans so they could watch
it and see if it was moving outof the way.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
And then I was just like, by the third, yeah, I
always wondered if, like, had Igone to someone else, would they
have said like oh no, we, youknow, we can do a vaginal and
switch to C-section last minuteif we had to, or something.
You know what I mean.
They don't walk you through thesteps.
It's kind of the same with,like, the mammograms and the
breast cancer stuff.
Like I haven't gotten amammogram yet, even though they
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keep telling me I need to And'mlike I don't know, because what
are you gonna do?
Then you're gonna tell me Ineed chemo and radiation.
Well, I'm gonna kill me.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
There's no, did you know that there's been studies
you can look this up that thegroups that get mammogrammed and
the groups that don't getmammograms there's no life
expectancy difference.
There might really there's someindicators that in some things
that it might even be in themammogram group that there's a
more death now, but there's nosignificant, there's no benefit.
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There's no like you're notgonna die if you get mammograms.
It's just, there's just not.
And I will say I lost a friendto breast cancer this last week
and my best friend of 14 yearsthat started the restaurants
with me and everything died in2018.
And Mimi, my best friend on herdeathbed said I wouldn't have
done any of it, I wouldn't haveeven done the mammogram, but
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maybe once, if I could go backnow, I just wouldn't even have
done the mammogram.
But let's say, I even just didthe mammogram and they said it
looks like cancer.
I would not have gotten abiopsy, I would not have poked
it, I would not, I would haveradically changed my diet.
And she said.
She said, even if she said itwas the size of a date and I'm
dying right now and I've been inthe bed for the 80% of the last
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three years sick fromtreatments and she said I would
have, even if it took me out inthree years.
Let's say it took me out inthree years.
Let's say it took me out inthree years.
And I don't think this littletiny thing would have taken me
out in three years.
She goes.
I would have had three years ofmy daughter take her to
Disneyland, go on an RV trip,like be living life, and instead
I was sick and weak and needingpeople to bathe me and help me
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and cook for me.
And she said it wasn't, itwasn't worth it.
And she said, looking back, Iwould not have done a biopsy, I
would not have done any of thetreatments, I would have
radically changed my diet, Iwould have done a water fast
once a year and I would haveradically changed my diet no
carbohydrates, no food, nohighly processed food.
I'd go to like a meat, bonebroth and greens diet only.
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And that's what she believesshe.
She felt very strongly at theend.
That hindsight is she said andI can see now that I may there
was a moment for me to make achoice and I made the wrong path
.
I took the wrong path.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But.
But she took the path that theyforced down your throat because
they tell you you'll diewithout doing it.
And so I understand.
And she had a daughter, she hada five-year-old daughter.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Her mother was in the medical industry.
But I'm going to tell you whather mother has had some of her
own health challenges andliterally has basically told the
VA, even though she's a nurseand everything like you can keep
your medicine and they gave her, you know, diagnoses and
timelines and we are way beyondany of those.
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And so I'm going to say that Ithink and my friend that passed
away she did all the stuffbecause she didn't want to, but
she felt that she had childrenand she had to do everything to
try.
But I'm wondering, is the doingeverything to try what is
actually taking people out?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well, like you bringing it back to the
microbiome and your gut biome.
I mean, it's killing everythingin there.
So I had a woman on my podcasta year or so ago, emily Krupa,
and she said you know the chemoagain, she had a small child.
The chemo radiation that wasall that was going to kill her.
Her husband ended up taking herto Germany where she did a
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fecal transplant.
So you're like getting thefecal matter of a healthy person
and inserting it I don't knowwhere.
I assume the rear, I don't knowyou can do it up or you can
take pills of it down.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
But yeah, I know some people that have done fecal
transplants for Crohn's diseaseand fecal transplants are only
legal in the United States forlike one thing, but they can
actually fight a lot ofdifferent things.
And people are literally goinginto indigenous villages where
people are still living close tothe earth, cooking their food
on fire, sleeping in a hammock,walking barefoot on the ground,
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you know, and they are growingtheir own food and they're
getting those people's feces todo these fecal transplants.
And there's a there's a movieon Netflix called like hack your
health and literally it's sointeresting it follows these
four people educating them abouttheir gut microbiome.
And there's this woman who'sdone all these like out of
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desperation and lack of moneyand inability to digest almost
any food and depression and allthis stuff.
She's done her own fecaltransplants, like DIY, and this
sounds crazy, but so she did herbrother's and she did feel
totally better.
She was able to digest food,but she got all this acne in the
exact same pattern that herbrother has acne on his face.
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So then she tried herboyfriend's instead, or her
fiance, who suffers fromdepression, and she got his
depression, but she was able todigest food, so she's like you
have to be careful.
She's now trying to findsomeone that's like emotionally
healthy and also has a healthymicrobiome, because she doesn't
want all the acne of her brotherand she doesn't want the
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depression of her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know, my husband would be a good candidate for
this.
He could quit his job tomorrowand just give away his manure.
We would never even have to.
He wouldn't have to get up forwork.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, so the fecal transplant thing is legit, real.
You know there's so many wayswe are doing this food is
medicine conference, september20th through the 28th on the
ranch, and we're having willharris from white oak pastures,
we're having courtney from thereal foodology podcast, and
we're having so many reallygreat speakers, and one of them
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is logan devall, whose son hadstage four cancer and he cured
it with all local food.
Basically, the concept was thatthe local food has coherency in
your body and the sun and thewater and the environment is
actually telling your body howto heal in the environment that
you're in and that we don't eatany food that's local that much
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anymore.
And so we don't have coherencybecause we're getting
information from sun and waterand air and earth and soil from
3000, 5000 miles away from theother side of the globe where
it's winter.
We're eating broccoli in themiddle of the summertime, like
broccoli doesn't grow here inthe middle of summertime, and so
that is crazy.
And so Logan Duvall is going todo he has a me and McPhee
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market.
It's like a grocery store in,um, I think, the Carolinas, but
maybe Kentucky, but anyways, hefocuses on local foods and so
it's really an interesting talkhe's going to do at the food is
medicine conference.
And there's all these peoplethat have healed themselves from
all different things.
But I had never heard about that.
But it makes so much sensebecause water has memory and
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water has so much information init.
And food many foods are like80% water, just like we are like
90% water.
So it totally makes sense to meand it's really interesting.
And I just had Veda Austin hereat the Confluence Festival who's
a water scientist, and I wastalking to her about it and
she's like it totally makessense.
It totally makes sense that thelocal food would have coherency
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and information to heal you inyour local environment.
And I noticed with local fruit,like when we're growing our own
, I'm never thinking like rightnow, like oh my God, I want a
pomegranate right now, I justwant to dive into a pomegranate.
But when we have pomegranateslike dripping off the trees, I
just like wake up, like, oh, Iwant a pomegranate, I want to
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eat that.
And then when the season's over, I'm not like trying to go to
Costco and buy pomegranates.
I never even think aboutpomegranates again for the rest
of the year.
So I do think there's somethingin that the local food has
coherency in healing us.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
That makes a lot of sense.
And they were talking aboutthat at the Food Farm Freedom
Conference as well, like, do youreally need a banana all year
long, or it should just be?
And the other thing about theraw milk that they said there
too.
It was so funny.
They were like, well, you know?
One guy asked the question.
Well, I'm an adult, I get that.
You know you breastfeed babiesand so maybe a baby needs the
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raw milk, but why would I as anadult need one and it's from
another species than I am.
And someone said well, god gavecows four udders and it's one
for their baby and one for theother babies on the farm that
maybe aren't getting enough toeat, and one for the family and
one for the family's neighbors.
And when you had to walk acrossthe country, like little house
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on the Prairie style, you couldbring that cow and that milk was
going to be good for you everysingle day.
And that is why we drink milk,raw milk.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, and there is no native indigenous people that
have chosen for veganism.
It does not exist.
And PETA tries to talk aboutthis Tibetan tribe that lives
really high up in the mountains,but they make ghee and they
cook everything in ghee first ofall, and then they eat meat and
dairy sparingly on specialoccasions.
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So that's not vegans.
There's literally no indigenouspeople that have self-chosen
for veganism, and this is what Ihave to tell all my vegan
brethren.
When I started to try to growall my own food for my family, I
realized how hard it would bewithout animal protein and
calories in calories out.
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The amount of calories I got toput out to grow a tomato is not
in that tomato, sorry, justlike tomato is an excellent
garnish, it's an excellent sauce, it's excellent additive to
other things, but you can't growtomatoes.
You don't have enough calories.
You could not just use all yourcalories to grow tomatoes and
eat tomatoes, but you couldraise a cow and that cow can eat
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grass that humans cannot eatand then make four or five,
seven gallons of milk a day orturn it to beef.
That's amazing and people saywell, what if we just put all
that land that's in grazingcattle and put it into lentil
production or whatever.
Well, I graze cows on land thatyou can't grow lentils.
Have you been to the Texas HillCountry?
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Nobody's growing anythingexcept for hay and grass and
beef and goats.
Like it's hilly and rocky andyou can graze cows on areas that
are not.
You can graze goats.
You can graze sheep on areasthat are not ideal farmland, and
so this idea that cows aretaking this land, that we could
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just switch it into this otherthing, is totally made up.
It's like a statistic from aback of a box that someone did
math and it's not based onreality and how things work.
And so the beauty of beef, andgrass-fed beef specifically, is
sunlight and water and wildplants that are just going to
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grow, no matter what, can turninto beef and also can turn into
milk if you're willing to walkthe cows back and forth to the
milking.
So that is amazing.
Now, is there so much abuse inanimal agriculture?
Yes, do I think that we shoulddo everything in our power to
buy from somebody that you know?
Shake the hand that feeds you?
(50:16):
Yes, do I want you to go onSovereignty Ranch's website
right now and order some bacon Ido, some sausage I do.
And can I tell you why mysausage is better than the one
you're going to buy at thegrocery store?
I can, because there's notplastic in it, because there's
not PFAS in it, because the pigslive outside in the forest and
they eat high quality, nutrientdense food and they're
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monogastric.
And you want them to eat highquality food because that's
going right into that pork and Iwant you to buy beef from me
and I want you to buy sourdoughfrom me.
And why is that important?
Because I was a vegan and soyou can believe that the animals
on my farm are treated really,really well and I don't even eat
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meat.
You said that I went from avegan to a meat eater.
The craziest thing is, I don'teat meat.
I haven't gotten there.
I eat dairy and I eat bonebroth and I take liver in the
pill form, but I never ate meat.
I was raised vegan.
It's very hard for me to lookat it as food and not as a dead
animal, but I recognize thatit's the most nutrient dense
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food on the planet and Irecognize that if I want my
family to be eating the mostnutrient dense food on the
planet, I want to be fullyresponsible for it.
I was talking to a farmer todayI'm struggling financially
right now with all of our newendeavors and he was like you
should just get rid of the rawmilk thing.
There's no way to make it work.
And I was like well, until mykids are grown, I'm committed to
having raw milk, and so we'regoing to do it for now.
(51:44):
And it is a loss leader.
We don't make money on the rawmilk, but people come to the
farm because of it and then theymaybe stay at the restaurant,
they buy a popsicle in the farmstore, they take some veggies
home, they buy some T-bones,whatever else is happening.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, so okay.
So your book comes out soon.
Tell us where we can find that.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Acres USA is a farming publisher and if you'll
know who Joel Salatin is.
Joel Salatin wrote the forewordto my book and it's going to be
on Amazon.
It'll be at Barnes and Nobles,it'll be at Acres USA online
farm bookstore.
It will be on my ranch, in myfarm store, if in August people
could set it in their calendars.
In August it will be forpre-order on Amazon and it will
really help me if people wouldorder it pre-order and you can
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read it with your kids.
I mean, there's a few thingsthat maybe you would might want
to self-edit, but mostly it'sreally awesome lessons about god
and nature and how we can seetruth.
We can figure out the truth ofthe world by watching what
nature does, and there may besome subjects that you think are
(52:53):
too adult for your kids and youcan skip that chapter or skip
that part, but mostly it'sreally beautiful stories that
include my children and includethings that happened on the farm
and how I awakened to God'sperfection in nature and then
awakened to that mother natureis conservative and that I still
(53:13):
am an environmentalist and Ialways will be, and I think that
to honor God's glory andabundance in nature, we actually
have to honor how it works, andso it's an awesome book, and it
starts from how I went from avegan chef to a cattle farmer,
but then we address alldifferent ideas that are in the
world right now and all ofdifferent conflicts of what's
(53:36):
true, and we look at it throughthe eyes of mother nature.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Awesome, yeah, and to round that out into
homeschooling, it's like whenyou send your kids to school
every day, are they gettingnutrient dense foods?
I mean, you can send them withall of the organic meats and
dairy and fruit and vegetablesthat you want to send them with,
but most schools today havefree breakfast and lunch that
they offer to all the childrenin the school.
So your kids can throw out whatyou sent them with and they can
(54:04):
get the chemicals that are inall that food the dyes, the
injections, the hormones.
It's awful.
So, molly Englehart, thank youso much for coming on today.
I will link all of yourwebsites and everything in the
show's description so people cancheck that out, and I just want
to thank you for being thisvoice.
That I'm sure was not easy tobecome, but thank you, this
(54:26):
world needs it.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Thank you so much.
I'm honored to have been here.
You know, I just want to tellthe truth and I want to inspire
other people to know that it'sokay to change your mind.
It's okay to believe somethingand then, when something else
makes more sense, to change ourmind, because I actually think
that's a sign of intelligencethat you can understand
(54:47):
something and then understand itnewly and say I was wrong.
And so that's what I am.
I'm a living example of someonewho's willing to say I was
wrong and I have a new idea nowthat makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Fantastic.
Thank you so much for that.
Thank you so much.
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Welcome to this week's episode of the Homeschool
How-To.
I'm Cheryl and I invite you tojoin me on my quest to find out
why are people homeschooling,how do you do it, how does it
differ from region to region,and should I homeschool my kids?
Stick with me as I interviewhomeschooling families across
the country to unfold theanswers to each of these
(00:26):
questions week by week.
Welcome, and with me today Ihave Molly Englehart, a former
vegan turned cattle rancher.
Welcome, molly.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm honored to be here thisevening.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I'm glad I read over that little part.
I'm not sure, like you know,when the requests come in, I'm
kind of looking at it and like,okay, yes, let's get you on.
And I forgot that.
You know, you were the one thatsaid that.
So I'm glad I went back to thebeginning of our conversation
this morning.
It makes me sound veryorganized, which I am.
Anything but how, and we willget into homeschooling.
(01:11):
But how did you and I think Iknow because I used to be quite
a liberal- myself.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
But how did you go from a vegan to a cattle rancher
?
So I owned a chain of verywell-known restaurants in Los
Angeles called Sage Vegan Bistroand they were very, very
popular.
I had five locations across theLos Angeles area and I started
all those restaurants with themost integrity of that.
I believed it was what was bestfor the planet and it was the
best diet.
And all of that, and throughwanting to be the best
(01:36):
environmentalist, I started tofind out other stuff.
My brother started a foundationcalled Kiss the Ground, which
was a soil nonprofit, and he hasthe movies right?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Yes, kiss the Ground and Common Ground yes exactly,
yes, okay, yep, I've seen him onthe high wire so he has really
given me a lot of context.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
And so I start realizing that food waste in my
restaurants is actually wayworse and methane is worse than
carbon and carbon is kind of apsyop.
And so I start to realize allof these things and I decide I
need land so that I can compostall of the food from my
restaurants and turn it intosoil.
So I'm like totally on towanting to do this.
(02:20):
And it's not easy, we can getalone.
It takes a lot of time but wefinally get our own land and we
start composting.
Then we start growingvegetables and then I realized
compost without animal manure isjust not the business and it's
not really nutrient dense.
And little by little I just I'msitting there breastfeeding my
(02:41):
baby and then we get this cow sowe can have her poop for the
manure.
And then I'm like feeding mytoddler oat milk from Costco
while I'm breastfeeding my babyand I'm looking at my cow, una,
who we're milking off becauseshe makes more milk than her
baby can drink and we don't wanther to get mastitis, and I'm
just like, if my breast milk isgold, like the best thing that's
(03:05):
ever happened to my child, howcould Una's breast milk cause
cancer and be filled with bloodand pus and be like cancer,
causing worse than all the stuffthat I've been led to believe
about dairy, and so I kind ofquietly just started feeding my
kids raw milk.
But I'm like still make myliving selling vegan food and
(03:26):
I'm still in this vision of likea farm where nothing dies and I
then just keep farming and Ijust keep realizing there's no
vegan food.
Essentially, everything isdying and feeding things that
are living, and whether I have apiece of steak on my plate or
not does not absolve my platefrom the death that contributed
(03:48):
to it.
And that's what my book that'scoming out in August is about.
It's called Debunked by Natureand it really just looks at, if
we want to be truth seekers andwe want to know what the truth
is, we should take these ideasinto nature, into farming, into
the savanna, into the woods andsay, like does that work?
Like, do bulls have babies orcan we milk a bull?
(04:12):
You cannot Just spoiler alerton that one and just start to
look at everything.
Like, every mammal on the planetprioritizes water, food,
shelter.
Some of them prioritize shelterand then reproduction, and we
have somehow we're really goodat shelter, but we've abandoned
reproduction, we've abandonedour water, we've abandoned our
(04:32):
food, and so I just start to seelike anything that wants me to
not be fertile, anything thatwants me to not have clean,
healthy basic food, then that'sa lie.
And then I.
So I just start going andrealizing that the construct of
almost everything that Ibelieved was getting broken by
(04:52):
farming.
And even though I grew up on afarm and I was and then.
But then I went to college at17 and lived in Los Angeles and
totally bought the whole storyabout the environment and
everything and I thought this isthe way to help.
And then I started to justrealize that veganism was
another thing that started outwith a good intention that has
(05:14):
been co-opted for evil.
And that was the beginning ofmy journey.
And COVID destroyed myrestaurants and all that I had
Not COVID.
Covid didn't destroy anythingand all that I had not COVID.
Covid didn't destroy anything.
Bureaucracy and bad policiesand bad politics around the
event we call COVID had us loseour restaurants.
So when all these bad policiesdestroyed my restaurants, we
(05:38):
ended up closing three, and thenI had the last two restaurants
and I had this thought well, ifI don't at least try to do them
as regenerative agriculture?
I've been living kind ofsecretly not secretly, because I
mean, obviously I bought thisranch in Texas.
It has an Instagram.
I'm on it, but I've been verylow key, like never saying like
(05:59):
we harvest animals, never sayingthat anything.
I never show my husband eatingmeat, even though I mean I'd
stated in podcasts and stuffthat he did and I was.
I was literally like afraid ofthe vegans if we could be honest
about it.
And so I decided I'm just goingto come out on Earth Day 2024.
And I'm going to tell everybodythat I'm.
(06:19):
The restaurants are not workingin their current form and I
think that it's partiallybecause it's not in alignment
with what I believe in the world.
And what I believe in the worldis that regenerative
agriculture is the mostimportant thing.
Soil is the most importantthing.
73% of the DNA in healthy soilis the same as the DNA in a
healthy gut.
(06:40):
It's clear, god has made us toeat of healthy soil and we're
not doing it.
So this is what I think is themost important thing and I'm
shifting no more veganism.
And I went hard to do it andlike it.
Just the vegans protested andlike clear out the restaurant on
father's day, clear out therestaurant on mother's day,
throwing blood on the front ofthe restaurant like all this not
(07:02):
real blood, I'm sure, but, andyou can look it up, I'm sure,
but, and you can look it up likevegan rest if you Google it and
you can look it up veganrestaurant turned and then,
basically five months later wewent out of business.
I couldn't make it work and itsucks because a lot of the
farmers that I was trying tohelp I now like owe money to and
I'm paying like littleincremental payments, just from
(07:22):
what me and my husband can do,because all the restaurants went
out of business and to make thefinal payroll, we had to sell
our bitcoin and our lifeinsurance and to make
everybody's final paychecks.
So $200,000 to close a businessthat will never give us
anything.
And so now me and my husbandare without our nest egg,
starting over here atSovereignty Ranch in Texas and
(07:45):
it's scary and we're way out onthe skinny branches.
And I was selling myrestaurants at the beginning of
COVID for 25 to $31 million, soI thought I was like about to
retire and just be a full-timemom, and now I'm like totally
starting over, with all of therug ripped out from under me.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
And did you have any idea that like coming out of the
closet as a meat eater nowwould have that effect?
Would you have changed the wayyou did it?
Would you have sold all therestaurants and then just stayed
quiet Like if you could do itover?
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I would have sold the restaurants and not stayed
quiet, Like I was always had theintention of doing something in
the regenerative space, but Icouldn't sell the restaurant.
I tried to had the intention ofdoing something in the
regenerative space, but Icouldn't sell the restaurant.
I tried to sell the restaurants.
Then COVID happened and we lostthe deal.
It was like 30 I was going toget 30 between 25 and 31 million
dollars and it was threequarters.
We had to meet these specificmarkers.
(08:37):
Quarter four of 19 I crushed it.
Quarter one of 2020 crushed itlike all I had to get 31 million
.
All I had to do is have themost basic quarter I've ever had
.
Like the lowest quarter I'd hadin the last five years would
have still got me the 31 millionand even if I had worse than
that, I was still going to be atthe between 25 and 31 million.
(08:58):
But the whole deal fell apartand disappeared because the
whole hospitality sector wentunder, kind of, and especially
in cities like LA, where two anda half years no indoor dining.
Two and a half years no indoordining.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
That's insanity.
It was and it was to close downpeople that owned their own
businesses, because Walmart'sstayed open and you know the big
box chain places like theAmazon was still delivering, so
people were inside amazon it wasall about.
It was all about the independentwealth maker and they
absolutely and there's so muchabout what you just said that
(09:34):
resonates with me because, likeI said, being before you know,
very liberal, and I'm in newyork, um, and it took like a
shift in my thinking as wellduring COVID and watching the
high wire and realizing, oh man,we've been lied to.
And my husband's, like I'vebeen telling you this stuff for
years, like you kind ofmentioned, with the windmills
(09:55):
and being everything going tosolar power and batteries, and
he would come home from his joband he's like no, I work with
this stuff every day.
It's not at all better for theenvironment, I promise you.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
So I was like yeah, no.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Obama says it is, we got to believe Obama and then
once COVID happened and Istarted actually researching the
stuff that he was saying andthe high wire was saying, I was
like, oh my God, we've been liedto in that.
It sucks realizing that and Ithink that's why your clientele
it's easier for them to all gangup together and be mad at you
than to confront that you mightactually have some knowledge
(10:28):
that they didn't have before andthey don't want to face it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
And it, and so, to answer your question, I knew, I
knew that the vegans would belike that.
I just thought that the peoplethere was more people like me
and you that had woken up thatwould like be like hell, yes,
let's support her.
And there was.
I mean, I had people from driveup from San Diego, like I saw
you on this podcast, and I hadto drive up here and help you
(10:52):
and like support you, and therewas those people.
But there, la is just so.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
LA, yeah, yeah, I've never been, but I'm sure it's
like New York, very like NewYork, new York but more
spreadable.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I mean, I'm in upstate but yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So okay.
So how many kids do you have?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
I have four kids that I birthed out of my body, and
then I took guardianship ofsomeone who came as an
unaccompanied minor during thefirst Trump administration and
he was already in high schoolwhen he came to live with us and
he has parents, um, that werehere that he was trying to
(11:29):
reunite with and, throughvarious circumstances, he ended
up, uh, with us.
So, him and he's 22 now, andthen, uh, I have four that are
10, eight, 10, eight, five andtwo.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Nice, that's fun.
So you're kind of living thisfarm life now, which you didn't
think you were going to beraising your kids in that
environment, but you'rehomeschooling them on the farm.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yes, well, we had a farm and no, so I got out of
farm in California too.
So my kids have almost alwaysthe second two were born on the
farm in California and then, um,the first one took her, took
her, I mean, the second one tookher first steps on the farm.
So my kids have kind of alwaysbeen farm kids.
Yes, we do.
I'd say 75% unschooling and 25%homeschooling, and so we have a
(12:18):
.
I have a teacher that comes inthree days a week and helps me
three mornings a week for threehours to get the really
structured math and reading andall of that.
And, and then an additionallady that comes in on Wednesday
afternoons for additionaltutoring for my one son who is
behind, in quotation marks, theytell you everything about a
(12:40):
duck-billed platypus, but he'snot that good at reading.
Um, he could tell owners betelling you all this information
like whoa.
But yeah, reading is not histhing.
But I'm also learning disabledin reading, I was dyslexic, and
so, you know, we'll see I, Ithink it'll work itself out.
Um, so, yeah, we do about, I'dsay, seven percent like farm
(13:01):
school.
You, you know, helping pullcalves, dealing with, you know,
sick animals, bottle feedingcalves, making products for the
farm store.
They have some of their ownspecific products that they make
in the farm store and they makerevenue from, and then they
help like overall with otherstuff, checking on, you know,
animals collecting eggs, all ofthese kind of other working in
(13:25):
the restaurant, working on thePOS, figuring out how to ring
customers up.
So it's like it's like thatit's a combination of
unschooling, entrepreneurialschool, and then regular like
classes where they're doingworkbooks and all of that.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Yes, cause in California I assume you probably
have stricter regulations, likewe do, where you have to report
every quarter and what you'redoing and how they're doing, and
probably some testing at someage.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
In California, yes, but now I'm in Texas so I got to
as of.
Well, I stayed with theCalifornia program to finish out
their year, so we had all thedocuments.
But then, yeah, in Texas youjust have to have a curriculum
that you're doing and then so,and then you have to say that
you're homeschooling.
I think that's it's very muchless, it's very, it's much more
(14:13):
homeschool friendly.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, that's awesome and you got to think of the
backend stuff that your kids aregetting exposed to, like when
you want to introduce them to.
This is how we do taxes.
This is how we you know setthis up.
This is how we set up our k'sor retirement or you know that
sort of stuff.
They can really be part of allof that.
They're learning and it's it'sso funny with the raw milk go
ahead the other day.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Rio goes outside and he goes oh, it's a nice day.
You think that god made it, orthe wet, or the government is
controlling it.
And I said oh, we're allindoctrinating our children,
whether we like it or not.
That's clearly like we're onlylike my mother Somebody would
say something like that.
That got into him.
But he's like oh, it's a niceday, is it God made or
(14:59):
government made?
Oh goodness.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
He's not wrong.
And every movie will tell you,even the kids' movies, that you
know they're manipulating theweather.
And they tell us that duringVietnam they were manipulating
the weather, so why wouldn'tthey be doing it now?
You know, I have a sister inHawaii and she was like oh yeah,
no, the Hawaii fires were not.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Well, my mom's in Hawaii, yeah, she's like they
were not natural events.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Not natural events, events for sure, and it's scary.
And so, yeah, we have to nowraise kids in a world like this.
And there is that fine linewhen do you step with Like, do
you want your child to soundlike a crazed human being out in
the, I would say, real world?
But I guess the public is thebetter way to put it, because
they're not in the real world.
But I guess the public is thebetter way to put it because
they're not in the real world,but the majority of the people.
But then, you know, I also wantmy kids to understand why we're
not in the school system andwhy I want them to know how to
(15:54):
build a fire, find water, youknow, build shelter, like.
I want them to have thoseskills because, even if they
never need them, their kidsmight, their kids might, you
know, know.
You can just never tell whatthe future will bring and we've,
in a generation or two, gottenrid of knowing how to do
anything on our own.
You said it in the beginning ofthis episode.
You said animals, you watchthem.
(16:14):
They have a need for survivaland they look for shelter and
water and food and thenprocreation, and the government
has literally taken away all ofthat from us.
And then we wonder why peopleare so depressed and have no
purpose in life.
It's like, well, that we arecomfy here.
You know they tell us to.
You know you can order Amazonto come to your door.
(16:34):
We're all comfy, we're not inany wars.
Knock on wood right now andthen your food can come right to
your door.
And you know, they have totallydisconnected us from even
knowing where our food comesfrom.
And they don't want usprocreating, like you said
before.
They're.
Oh hey, you, you, you want yourhair shorter.
You must want to be a girl andlet's put you on medicine right
now, at eight years old, so thatyou can never have a child of
(16:56):
your own.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
It's, it's so crazy and my kids are getting so much
knowledge that is just fromobserving like humans and being
in the world that I feel reallyproud of them.
My friend passed away last weekfrom breast cancer and the
second person that my 10 yearold, my best friend died in 2018
(17:19):
of breast cancer as well, andwe found out she was going into
hospice last Friday night andthen she passed away less than a
week later and when we foundout my husband we were all.
We have a big double king bed,two California kings.
We're a big co-sleeping family,so we have all six of us were
in the bed and we I got a textmessage that said she was going
(17:39):
into hospice and my husbandturned off the tv right away and
said let's pray for Wendy andher family.
My son, my 10 year old hestarted weeping so hard and I
said what is it right now, like,what is it that you're feeling
sad about, or what are youfeeling about Wendy's death?
And he said well, when there'sa really strict dad, you need a
(18:00):
mom to make balance, and nowthose kids only have a dad with
no mom and I thought I love thatthat he sees that and I can see
that too and I'm sure that thisis going to soften Dana.
Losing your wife, I assume will.
I don't know.
You know, and I trust that Godtotally has it handled and he's
going to do a great job.
But I just noticed in my 10year old that he's observing or
(18:24):
noticing things that I don'tnotice all other 10 year old,
that he's observing or noticingthings that I don't notice all
other 10 year olds that are ontheir screens or watching, you
know, just scrolling or watchingTikTok videos, are necessarily
present to and I just think thatthat's beautiful.
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Speaker 2 (19:18):
The other day I was doing a farm tour and I wasn't
being that present to theanimals, I was just like talking
and doing my blah, blah, blah,blah blah and my son is like hey
, mom, that goat had a baby andthe baby is missing.
And he was totally right.
The goat had a full udder,there was blood on her vagina
and there was a missing baby.
And we never found the baby.
It seems like a predator got it, but I didn't even notice that
(19:39):
and we all went into likefinding the goat and and he did,
he saw it.
And so I think there's waysthat he's more perceptive and
there's other ways he's totallychecked out, like he doesn't
have any idea about wanting tobe cool or like if these shoes
are, like everything is aboutcomfort, like he doesn't care if
some clothes are cool or hejust wants to be comfortable,
and so there's other ways thathe yeah, it doesn't fit into
(20:02):
society or maybe could be madefun of from other kids, but he
can drive a bobcat, he can drive, excavator he can drive.
He has a little golf cart likea little jeep looking golf cart
that's a stick shift that he candrive, and he's 10 years old,
you know what I mean.
He can do things in the realworld and he's really into roses
(20:22):
.
He plants rose bushes, he namesthem, and so I think he's
observing in a way that otherpeople are maybe not observing
because they're so in all of thedevices and in all of the
educating to get them to knowfacts.
And I just noticed that he'sobserving in other kinds of ways
(20:43):
and I think that that is reallygreat and I think that I feel
good about that.
And people say they're going tobe socially awkward.
Even my own brother was likedon't you feel like Rio needs,
because he's the oldest, and solike, don't you think he needs
more kids his age?
And I was like maybe I mean wecan work on trying to get him to
hang out with more kids his age.
But I'm so grateful that myoldest is my.
(21:05):
He's like my rule follower.
He is like I'm gonna have toteach him to be rebellious, it's
not in his nature.
But I'm so grateful that myoldest one is the one that's
like, sees danger and is like yo, no, solely, don't jump off the
cliff, because if myfive-year-old was the oldest,
we'd be in big trouble, becausehe's always like smashing
something, jumping off somethingcomplete, just like a ball of
(21:28):
testosterone in the world.
And so you know, I feel reallygrateful that my kids get to
play in this world of the farmand there is real dangers.
There's rattlesnakes, there'sother driving vehicles.
They're doing all this stuffand I think that it's important
for kids to know how to do stuffin the real world and if we
don't allow them to do dangerousthings carefully, then what are
(21:52):
they going to be able to dowhen they get older?
Write a lot about this in mybook about.
We have a culture of people thatliterally think being
uncomfortable means something iswrong.
But literally beinguncomfortable is the human
experience for the lastthousands of years, and we have
just gotten to a point in thelast hundred and fifty years
where comfort is like a thing.
(22:14):
Last 150 years where comfort islike a thing Like you think
that people that like tookwagons across the whole United
States and died of dysenterywere shot in between the battles
and like all of the things,like in order for each one of us
to be here, we had relativesthat were like excellent at
hunting and really hard fighters, workers, whatever to get us
(22:36):
here, and I think a lot of usare not doing any justice to our
predecessors that survived somuch to get us here.
And as an employer, you knowpeople are like oh, I don't want
to go to that table.
They're making me uncomfortable.
And I think to myself did theyhit on you?
Did they smack your ass?
What happened?
Well, no, I forgot theirappetizer and I got them the
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wrong soup, and then I droppedtheir drink, and so now they
don't.
They're annoyed with me and Ifeel uncomfortable.
Okay, well, go fall on thesword, apologize, get them a
free dessert and tell themyou're not committed to this
kind of service and you're goingto make it better.
And then, literally, theemployee is like well, if you're
not going to have my back, thenI don't want to work here
because I don't want a boss thatdoesn't have my back.
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And I'm thinking to myself likewhere did we get this idea that
being uncomfortable is wrong?
We have to be able to pushthrough discomfort.
I pushed four babies out of myvagina and you know what?
It's really hard work and it'sreally uncomfortable.
And we need to be trainingpeople to be good at being
uncomfortable and pushingthrough things, or we're just
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going to have a society ofpeople that want to suck on the
tit of the government and not besufficient in any ways.
And I don't mean selfsufficient, I mean community
sufficient.
We can't be self sufficient.
There's no self sufficiency.
That's another PSYOP Like.
Nobody self-sufficient.
You're just either moresufficient in your community or
you're more sufficient withDoorDash and Amazon and
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Instacart, but you're stilldepending on a community like,
committed together to supporteach other, and you may still be
paying those people as well,but those are the two ways that
we can do it.
But no man is an Island.
Nobody is self-sufficient, andso what I really hope is that
I'm training my kids we livewith 22 people on the land that
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I'm training them in how tonavigate human beings, because
navigating other human beings isthe hardest part of the world.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, and you don't learn that in school because
you're just told to sit down,shut up and obey, not really
questioned.
This is the way it is.
I mean, we never even thinklike, well, who wrote this
textbook?
How do we know that this is theright way?
This is just one side of thestory.
I'm sure the people on theother side have a difference.
Even during, you know, world WarII in Germany, I'm sure there
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were Germans that had adifferent perspective than what
we see in our textbooks today.
You know For sure.
I'm sure we leave out a lot ofour own stuff too.
But yeah, and I love whatyou're saying too about like I
didn't think we needed thisstuff anymore either back when I
was, you know, in the matrix.
But now that I'm in thehomeschooling community and I
have friends, you know we gettogether every week and you know
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they have gardens where theyactually garden together and
share the stuff.
I have my own garden here whichI just kind of like dabble with
, see what works and whatdoesn't.
But I I did take the step inthe last year or two to start
getting my meat and poultry fromlocal farmers.
I didn't even know that thatwas a possibility.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
I was like what do you mean you?
Speaker 1 (25:38):
get a half a cow.
What do you do with half a cow?
And now it's like okay, well, Ido use chat, GPT to figure out
what I do with this cut of meat,because I, you know, never
worked with this before or youknow.
But it is just knowing, like ifa crisis were to happen.
And this is what I like to say.
I want my kids to not have todepend on FEMA coming If there
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was a wildfire or a hurricane,or you know, China invades or
aliens come down.
It doesn't really matter whatit is.
You can't, like you said, likeyou can't, we can't do it all
ourselves.
So we have to know the localfarmers have to know somebody
that grows vegetables.
We have to know where water,clean water, is.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
I literally want to read you this, um, this comment
I got today.
Let me see, and because thisperson was literally like they
said, in this day and age, wedon't need to grow our food.
Guns are lame christ, lameChristians are out.
You've lost your way.
And I'm like, wow, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I got a similar comment.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
And we don't need to grow our own food.
It's 2025, he started with.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
You don't need to grow your own food.
Where do they think thevegetables are coming from at
the grocery store?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I love that because I'm like they're all from Bill
Gates' lab.
I guess People always say, likewhat's the big deal about
farmers?
Everything you need is at HEBor at Vons or at Wegmans.
Like really, really, how did itget there?
Where do you think that camefrom?
Speaker 1 (27:06):
Yeah, well, they think Bill Gates made them all
in a lab, and pretty soon hewill.
But is that what you want?
Do you want all those chemicalsin your body?
And then we don't know why weall have autism.
We don't know why we're allgetting cancer.
We don't know why we all haveAlzheimer's and dementia.
I mean, come on people, Ididn't have this stuff 200 years
ago.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I'm not even into hydroponics and this is going to
upset some people, but Iliterally think hydroponics is
an abomination.
We are 73% the same DNA in ourgut as soil.
We are meant to eat from thesoil.
Stop it.
Stop growing in water withchemicals, even organic
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chemicals.
Soil is an intricate part ofthe food process.
We cannot just take out healthysoil and think that we can pour
nutrients on dirt, or pournutrients on some sort of
growing medium or just water andthink that it does the same.
In a handful of healthy soilthere is more living beings than
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there are human beings on thewhole planet and we are
literally acting as if it is notan important part of the planet
and it is so everybody.
That's a bobblehead for theenvironment and carbon, carbon,
carbon, carbon carbon.
My question is like do you,what are you doing to save the
soil?
Because if the soil goes, weall go, like the bees.
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If the bees goes, we all go.
There is no world where we canjust live without soil and we
already have a highlyindustrialized microbiome and it
starts like this.
So it's not just the food inthe supply chain, it starts with
birth.
Now, c-sections are somewherebetween 40 and 70 percent of
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births in this country,depending which hospital.
Now I want to say this is not ajudgment.
I had a hospital birth.
My first birth was emergency.
Go to the hospital.
Vacuum episiotomy I'm notjudging, but there's a cascade
once we start implementingpitocin and then you're going to
need epidural and then all thiscascade of hormones that needs
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to happen in your body to have anatural birth has to happen and
by us intervening we end upwith much more c-sections.
And now I'm not saying thereisn't times where you just need
to have a c-section foremergency.
I'm not saying that.
So anyway, it's out there.
It's already offended by me,calm down, but we don't.
We definitely don't need 40%and definitely not 70%
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C-sections.
But so when you have a C-sectionthe baby comes out back to
microbiome into the hospitalroom.
This is the operating roomwhere someone had a heart
surgery a week ago and someonehad a leg surgery and a boob
surgery and whatever.
What kind of microbiology is inthe air in that room?
Gnarly stuff that can surviveall the chemicals in the
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hospital.
Now that is what inoculates thebaby.
But the baby should go face out, coming facing the anus, out
the vagina and get squished thejuice from the birth canal into
eyes, ears, nose, mouth, vagina,penis, butt, everything.
All is getting inoculated withthe perfect microbiology from
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the mother.
And do you know that there'smicrobiology that lives in our
colon, that doesn't ever leaveour colon, that migrates to the
vagina right before birth andthen somehow we magically don't
get an infection from this stuffthat's that shouldn't be there
so that we can inoculate ourbabies and then so that's the
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first thing, so we do that.
Then we start poking with lotsof pokey things immediately as
soon as they come out, and thenwe try to try to breastfeed and
we didn't have the correcthormonal cascade for bonding
with the baby.
We didn't have the correcthormonal cascade for
breastfeeding.
And I know this because I had atraumatic like I tried to have
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a home birth and my coccyx bonewas broken.
They had to, actuallysurgically, they had to reach in
me and break my coccyx bone toget him out, because it had
healed in a bad position and thebaby couldn't get out.
So I was like emergency go tothe hospital.
And I know because I didn'tfeel connected to my first child
for months and so if I wasn'talready like totally
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indoctrinated into that,breastfeeding was the so the
most important thing I could dofor my child and I was feeling
so disconnected and so exhaustedand migraines from the epidural
and all this stuff I definitelywouldn't have breastfed him.
I just had was like had alreadymade up my mind a hundred
percent that there was nothingthat was going to stop me, and
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cracked nipples and didn't haveenough milk and all that like,
just keep trying and the body'sgoing to sort it out.
But if I didn't have thatcommitment, if I was like I'm
going to try breastfeeding andsee how it goes, I definitely
wouldn't have followed through,because I didn't have any of
that.
Where my other children, that Ihad them at home in the comfort
of my own bed, with the cascadeof hormones, it all, the
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connectedness, the breastfeeding, everything came so much easier
.
So with that cascade of thingsthat happens in the hospital,
creating traumatic birthsurgeries, then that cascades to
less breastfeeding, which thencascades to less microbiology.
And so by the time kids aregetting to even eating solid
foods, they already have missedout on the majority of the
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microbiology that was supposedto create the foundation for
them.
And then we're getting olderand we're feeding them food that
was grown hydroponically or wasdipped in bleach before they
got it.
How can we have a healthymicrobiology?
How can we have a healthyimmune system?
We really have to go back tothat and I recommend and I'm
going to say this out loud andplease tell the other mothers if
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somebody does have a c-sectionbirth somebody the dad, the
midwife, somebody swab thevagina and get it in that baby's
mouth, nose, eyes and earsaround their genitals, get it
everywhere on them, because thatis what is meant to start their
microbiology.
That is God's perfect plan andwe can't just skip it and have a
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baby into a sterile environment, because it actually is not
meant to be in a sterileenvironment.
It's meant to come out throughthe birth canal and over the
anus.
That's the way it's meant tocome out.
Anyways, I'm really intomicrobiology and healthy guts,
and I could even go on that wecan keep going that healthy soil
operates more powerfully thanSSRIs and so we're so
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disconnected from the soil, andthen we can look at every single
shooting, mass shooting that'shappening.
All of them are on SSRIs orother pharmaceuticals for mental
health.
Would we need those if we hadhealthy microbiology?
I'd be interested to see thestatistics and I don't know the
answer to this, but onformula-fed babies C-section
babies then how much of them endup on SSRIs, and then you know
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how does that all connect?
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Speaker 2 (34:41):
Because I think it's a cascade that we have in our
culture right now.
And then there's the sanitizer.
Mothers are just obsessed withsanitizing everything and it
just goes on and on and on.
And essentially, breast milk isthe perfect foundation for all
of the perfect microbiology andwe can't reproduce it like we
literally can't.
And if you can't get breastmilk because you don't have it
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or it's the same sex, marriageor whatever the things are
adoption, I highly recommend rawgoat milk over formula, because
it's just aren't.
We are not doing any servicesby not setting up the proper
foundation.
And I had a whole epiphany aboutthis and I ended up doing 46
days only drinking raw milkbecause I was having such a hard
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time losing weight after I hadfour kids after 37, right so I
gained weight with each of themand I had this epiphany like, oh
my God, I need to reset mymicrobiome like a baby.
And so I did 46 days and I lost40 pounds and I totally reset,
like my cravings and everything.
I feel great and I feel like myskin looks better.
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I feel like everything I justhad and I was breastfed and I
was a vaginal birth and all that.
But I just had this thoughtlike bifida bacteria, there's
certain things that start towane in our older age.
And how could I reset that andhow could I get it back?
And so I did this 46 days rawmilk, fast and was amazing 3000
calories, not even coffee.
(36:07):
Huh, I did I get.
It was Lent and I always giveup coffee for Lent, so I gave up
both, but you could do it withcoffee.
I think that that wouldn't be aproblem.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Coffee and raw milk, raw milk in my coffee, so.
But yeah, I was just at aconference.
Uh, max Cain was the conferencelike head of it, and Del Biggry
was there.
I was telling you about that.
But yeah, the whole thing wasabout food farm, farm freedom
and knowing where your foodcomes from and the raw milk.
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And I'm in New York.
It's illegal here, so we havelike an underground like system
with the Amish where they dropoff raw milk and raw yogurt, raw
cream and stuff, butter, cheese.
It's like it's crazy that I hada meme last year too that was
like oh, this was me at 19trying to buy alcohol and here's
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me at 42 trying to buy milk.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I just I designed a t-shirt that everybody's too
scared for me to put up on thewebsite but it says raw milk,
the real white privilege.
And because it's white and it'sa privilege because it's
illegal in 20 something States,and so I think it's funny and my
husband thinks it's white andit's a privilege because it's
illegal in 20 something states,and so I think it's funny and my
husband thinks it's funny andhe's like, just do it.
But my sister-in-law and mybrother and they're like I don't
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know, there's no reason to stirthe pot and just put a racist
shirt on the website.
I'm like it's not a racistshirt, it's like, literally true
, raw milk is the real whiteprivilege.
It's white and it's a privilegeto get it.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
It is.
I'm much happier and yeah, andI was, I'm someone who I had a
vaginal birth for my son, but I,like you, said I wasn't gung ho
, that I was definitely going tobreastfeed.
I was like, let's see how itgoes.
And three weeks in got mastitisand okay, here's your formula.
I did get the formula fromGermany, which was much better
than where we had here.
But and then my daughter theytold me I needed a C-section
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because they were like yourplacenta is covering your cervix
, placenta previa, and yes, youhave to have this C-section.
And I guess, knowing what Iknow now, maybe I would have
gone to some other.
I went to get another opinion,but it was like the person that
my doctor sent me to, so I don'tthink that counts.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
And he told me with every child that I had partial
placenta previa, every singlechild.
And I didn't even go get a scanWith my last kid.
I didn't get an ultrasound, Ididn't get anything, I didn't do
anything.
But by the end it was stillfully covering at 40 weeks or
whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
No, I don't think it was fully, it was like half over
.
So I think, they made it soundlike it would have ruptured and
I would die.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, but I don't know, I don't know either, but
they always told me it waspartial and then, and then
they'd want me to do come in forextra scans so they could watch
it and see if it was moving outof the way.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
And then I was just like, by the third, yeah, I
always wondered if, like, had Igone to someone else, would they
have said like oh no, we, youknow, we can do a vaginal and
switch to C-section last minuteif we had to, or something.
You know what I mean.
They don't walk you through thesteps.
It's kind of the same with,like, the mammograms and the
breast cancer stuff.
Like I haven't gotten amammogram yet, even though they
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keep telling me I need to And'mlike I don't know, because what
are you gonna do?
Then you're gonna tell me Ineed chemo and radiation.
Well, I'm gonna kill me.
Speaker 2 (39:22):
There's no, did you know that there's been studies
you can look this up that thegroups that get mammogrammed and
the groups that don't getmammograms there's no life
expectancy difference.
There might really there's someindicators that in some things
that it might even be in themammogram group that there's a
more death now, but there's nosignificant, there's no benefit.
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There's no like you're notgonna die if you get mammograms.
It's just, there's just not.
And I will say I lost a friendto breast cancer this last week
and my best friend of 14 yearsthat started the restaurants
with me and everything died in2018.
And Mimi, my best friend on herdeathbed said I wouldn't have
done any of it, I wouldn't haveeven done the mammogram, but
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maybe once, if I could go backnow, I just wouldn't even have
done the mammogram.
But let's say, I even just didthe mammogram and they said it
looks like cancer.
I would not have gotten abiopsy, I would not have poked
it, I would not, I would haveradically changed my diet.
And she said.
She said, even if she said itwas the size of a date and I'm
dying right now and I've been inthe bed for the 80% of the last
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three years sick fromtreatments and she said I would
have, even if it took me out inthree years.
Let's say it took me out inthree years.
Let's say it took me out inthree years.
And I don't think this littletiny thing would have taken me
out in three years.
She goes.
I would have had three years ofmy daughter take her to
Disneyland, go on an RV trip,like be living life, and instead
I was sick and weak and needingpeople to bathe me and help me
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and cook for me.
And she said it wasn't, itwasn't worth it.
And she said, looking back, Iwould not have done a biopsy, I
would not have done any of thetreatments, I would have
radically changed my diet, Iwould have done a water fast
once a year and I would haveradically changed my diet no
carbohydrates, no food, nohighly processed food.
I'd go to like a meat, bonebroth and greens diet only.
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And that's what she believesshe.
She felt very strongly at theend.
That hindsight is she said andI can see now that I may there
was a moment for me to make achoice and I made the wrong path
.
I took the wrong path.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
But.
But she took the path that theyforced down your throat because
they tell you you'll diewithout doing it.
And so I understand.
And she had a daughter, she hada five-year-old daughter.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
Her mother was in the medical industry.
But I'm going to tell you whather mother has had some of her
own health challenges andliterally has basically told the
VA, even though she's a nurseand everything like you can keep
your medicine and they gave her, you know, diagnoses and
timelines and we are way beyondany of those.
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And so I'm going to say that Ithink and my friend that passed
away she did all the stuffbecause she didn't want to, but
she felt that she had childrenand she had to do everything to
try.
But I'm wondering, is the doingeverything to try what is
actually taking people out?
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Well, like you bringing it back to the
microbiome and your gut biome.
I mean, it's killing everythingin there.
So I had a woman on my podcasta year or so ago, emily Krupa,
and she said you know the chemoagain, she had a small child.
The chemo radiation that wasall that was going to kill her.
Her husband ended up taking herto Germany where she did a
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fecal transplant.
So you're like getting thefecal matter of a healthy person
and inserting it I don't knowwhere.
I assume the rear, I don't knowyou can do it up or you can
take pills of it down.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
But yeah, I know some people that have done fecal
transplants for Crohn's diseaseand fecal transplants are only
legal in the United States forlike one thing, but they can
actually fight a lot ofdifferent things.
And people are literally goinginto indigenous villages where
people are still living close tothe earth, cooking their food
on fire, sleeping in a hammock,walking barefoot on the ground,
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you know, and they are growingtheir own food and they're
getting those people's feces todo these fecal transplants.
And there's a there's a movieon Netflix called like hack your
health and literally it's sointeresting it follows these
four people educating them abouttheir gut microbiome.
And there's this woman who'sdone all these like out of
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desperation and lack of moneyand inability to digest almost
any food and depression and allthis stuff.
She's done her own fecaltransplants, like DIY, and this
sounds crazy, but so she did herbrother's and she did feel
totally better.
She was able to digest food,but she got all this acne in the
exact same pattern that herbrother has acne on his face.
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So then she tried herboyfriend's instead, or her
fiance, who suffers fromdepression, and she got his
depression, but she was able todigest food, so she's like you
have to be careful.
She's now trying to findsomeone that's like emotionally
healthy and also has a healthymicrobiome, because she doesn't
want all the acne of her brotherand she doesn't want the
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depression of her boyfriend.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You know, my husband would be a good candidate for
this.
He could quit his job tomorrowand just give away his manure.
We would never even have to.
He wouldn't have to get up forwork.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Yeah, so the fecal transplant thing is legit, real.
You know there's so many wayswe are doing this food is
medicine conference, september20th through the 28th on the
ranch, and we're having willharris from white oak pastures,
we're having courtney from thereal foodology podcast, and
we're having so many reallygreat speakers, and one of them
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is logan devall, whose son hadstage four cancer and he cured
it with all local food.
Basically, the concept was thatthe local food has coherency in
your body and the sun and thewater and the environment is
actually telling your body howto heal in the environment that
you're in and that we don't eatany food that's local that much
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anymore.
And so we don't have coherencybecause we're getting
information from sun and waterand air and earth and soil from
3000, 5000 miles away from theother side of the globe where
it's winter.
We're eating broccoli in themiddle of the summertime, like
broccoli doesn't grow here inthe middle of summertime, and so
that is crazy.
And so Logan Duvall is going todo he has a me and McPhee
(45:38):
market.
It's like a grocery store in,um, I think, the Carolinas, but
maybe Kentucky, but anyways, hefocuses on local foods and so
it's really an interesting talkhe's going to do at the food is
medicine conference.
And there's all these peoplethat have healed themselves from
all different things.
But I had never heard about that.
But it makes so much sensebecause water has memory and
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water has so much information init.
And food many foods are like80% water, just like we are like
90% water.
So it totally makes sense to meand it's really interesting.
And I just had Veda Austin hereat the Confluence Festival who's
a water scientist, and I wastalking to her about it and
she's like it totally makessense.
It totally makes sense that thelocal food would have coherency
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and information to heal you inyour local environment.
And I noticed with local fruit,like when we're growing our own
, I'm never thinking like rightnow, like oh my God, I want a
pomegranate right now, I justwant to dive into a pomegranate.
But when we have pomegranateslike dripping off the trees, I
just like wake up, like, oh, Iwant a pomegranate, I want to
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eat that.
And then when the season's over, I'm not like trying to go to
Costco and buy pomegranates.
I never even think aboutpomegranates again for the rest
of the year.
So I do think there's somethingin that the local food has
coherency in healing us.
Speaker 1 (46:55):
That makes a lot of sense.
And they were talking aboutthat at the Food Farm Freedom
Conference as well, like, do youreally need a banana all year
long, or it should just be?
And the other thing about theraw milk that they said there
too.
It was so funny.
They were like, well, you know?
One guy asked the question.
Well, I'm an adult, I get that.
You know you breastfeed babiesand so maybe a baby needs the
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raw milk, but why would I as anadult need one and it's from
another species than I am.
And someone said well, god gavecows four udders and it's one
for their baby and one for theother babies on the farm that
maybe aren't getting enough toeat, and one for the family and
one for the family's neighbors.
And when you had to walk acrossthe country, like little house
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on the Prairie style, you couldbring that cow and that milk was
going to be good for you everysingle day.
And that is why we drink milk,raw milk.
Speaker 2 (47:47):
Yeah, and there is no native indigenous people that
have chosen for veganism.
It does not exist.
And PETA tries to talk aboutthis Tibetan tribe that lives
really high up in the mountains,but they make ghee and they
cook everything in ghee first ofall, and then they eat meat and
dairy sparingly on specialoccasions.
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So that's not vegans.
There's literally no indigenouspeople that have self-chosen
for veganism, and this is what Ihave to tell all my vegan
brethren.
When I started to try to growall my own food for my family, I
realized how hard it would bewithout animal protein and
calories in calories out.
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The amount of calories I got toput out to grow a tomato is not
in that tomato, sorry, justlike tomato is an excellent
garnish, it's an excellent sauce, it's excellent additive to
other things, but you can't growtomatoes.
You don't have enough calories.
You could not just use all yourcalories to grow tomatoes and
eat tomatoes, but you couldraise a cow and that cow can eat
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grass that humans cannot eatand then make four or five,
seven gallons of milk a day orturn it to beef.
That's amazing and people saywell, what if we just put all
that land that's in grazingcattle and put it into lentil
production or whatever.
Well, I graze cows on land thatyou can't grow lentils.
Have you been to the Texas HillCountry?
(49:10):
Nobody's growing anythingexcept for hay and grass and
beef and goats.
Like it's hilly and rocky andyou can graze cows on areas that
are not.
You can graze goats.
You can graze sheep on areasthat are not ideal farmland, and
so this idea that cows aretaking this land, that we could
(49:32):
just switch it into this otherthing, is totally made up.
It's like a statistic from aback of a box that someone did
math and it's not based onreality and how things work.
And so the beauty of beef, andgrass-fed beef specifically, is
sunlight and water and wildplants that are just going to
(49:54):
grow, no matter what, can turninto beef and also can turn into
milk if you're willing to walkthe cows back and forth to the
milking.
So that is amazing.
Now, is there so much abuse inanimal agriculture?
Yes, do I think that we shoulddo everything in our power to
buy from somebody that you know?
Shake the hand that feeds you?
(50:16):
Yes, do I want you to go onSovereignty Ranch's website
right now and order some bacon Ido, some sausage I do.
And can I tell you why mysausage is better than the one
you're going to buy at thegrocery store?
I can, because there's notplastic in it, because there's
not PFAS in it, because the pigslive outside in the forest and
they eat high quality, nutrientdense food and they're
(50:39):
monogastric.
And you want them to eat highquality food because that's
going right into that pork and Iwant you to buy beef from me
and I want you to buy sourdoughfrom me.
And why is that important?
Because I was a vegan and soyou can believe that the animals
on my farm are treated really,really well and I don't even eat
(50:59):
meat.
You said that I went from avegan to a meat eater.
The craziest thing is, I don'teat meat.
I haven't gotten there.
I eat dairy and I eat bonebroth and I take liver in the
pill form, but I never ate meat.
I was raised vegan.
It's very hard for me to lookat it as food and not as a dead
animal, but I recognize thatit's the most nutrient dense
(51:21):
food on the planet and Irecognize that if I want my
family to be eating the mostnutrient dense food on the
planet, I want to be fullyresponsible for it.
I was talking to a farmer todayI'm struggling financially
right now with all of our newendeavors and he was like you
should just get rid of the rawmilk thing.
There's no way to make it work.
And I was like well, until mykids are grown, I'm committed to
having raw milk, and so we'regoing to do it for now.
(51:44):
And it is a loss leader.
We don't make money on the rawmilk, but people come to the
farm because of it and then theymaybe stay at the restaurant,
they buy a popsicle in the farmstore, they take some veggies
home, they buy some T-bones,whatever else is happening.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, so okay.
So your book comes out soon.
Tell us where we can find that.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Acres USA is a farming publisher and if you'll
know who Joel Salatin is.
Joel Salatin wrote the forewordto my book and it's going to be
on Amazon.
It'll be at Barnes and Nobles,it'll be at Acres USA online
farm bookstore.
It will be on my ranch, in myfarm store, if in August people
could set it in their calendars.
In August it will be forpre-order on Amazon and it will
really help me if people wouldorder it pre-order and you can
(52:32):
read it with your kids.
I mean, there's a few thingsthat maybe you would might want
to self-edit, but mostly it'sreally awesome lessons about god
and nature and how we can seetruth.
We can figure out the truth ofthe world by watching what
nature does, and there may besome subjects that you think are
(52:53):
too adult for your kids and youcan skip that chapter or skip
that part, but mostly it'sreally beautiful stories that
include my children and includethings that happened on the farm
and how I awakened to God'sperfection in nature and then
awakened to that mother natureis conservative and that I still
(53:13):
am an environmentalist and Ialways will be, and I think that
to honor God's glory andabundance in nature, we actually
have to honor how it works, andso it's an awesome book, and it
starts from how I went from avegan chef to a cattle farmer,
but then we address alldifferent ideas that are in the
world right now and all ofdifferent conflicts of what's
(53:36):
true, and we look at it throughthe eyes of mother nature.
Speaker 1 (53:43):
Awesome, yeah, and to round that out into
homeschooling, it's like whenyou send your kids to school
every day, are they gettingnutrient dense foods?
I mean, you can send them withall of the organic meats and
dairy and fruit and vegetablesthat you want to send them with,
but most schools today havefree breakfast and lunch that
they offer to all the childrenin the school.
So your kids can throw out whatyou sent them with and they can
(54:04):
get the chemicals that are inall that food the dyes, the
injections, the hormones.
It's awful.
So, molly Englehart, thank youso much for coming on today.
I will link all of yourwebsites and everything in the
show's description so people cancheck that out, and I just want
to thank you for being thisvoice.
That I'm sure was not easy tobecome, but thank you, this
(54:26):
world needs it.
Speaker 2 (54:27):
Thank you so much.
I'm honored to have been here.
You know, I just want to tellthe truth and I want to inspire
other people to know that it'sokay to change your mind.
It's okay to believe somethingand then, when something else
makes more sense, to change ourmind, because I actually think
that's a sign of intelligencethat you can understand
(54:47):
something and then understand itnewly and say I was wrong.
And so that's what I am.
I'm a living example of someonewho's willing to say I was
wrong and I have a new idea nowthat makes more sense.
Speaker 1 (54:59):
Fantastic.
Thank you so much for that.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for tuning into thisweek's episode of the homeschool
how to.
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