#133: Parents WAKE UP: Del Bigtree Reveals Hidden Vaccine Dangers & Your Legal Rights

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Welcome to this week's episode of the Homeschool
How-To.
I'm Cheryl and I invite you tojoin me on my quest to find out
why are people homeschooling,how do you do it, how does it
differ from region to region?
And should I homeschool my kids?
Stick with me as I interviewhomeschooling families across
the country to unfold theanswers to each of these

(00:26):
questions week by week.
Okay, today's guest is someonewho's been a major voice for
medical freedom and informedconsent.
I have Del Bigtree with me.
Del, you started out as aproducer on the TV show the
Doctors, but then you realizedthat there were some stories
that you weren't allowed to tell, especially about vaccine

(00:46):
safety.
So you walked away from themainstream media and started
speaking out.
You have founded the ICANN, theInformed Consent Action Network
, something I've been donatingto for years.
Back in my AOL email address.
That's how long your show, theHigh Wire, has reached millions
of people around the world withuncensored health information.
You're also one of the peoplebehind the documentary Vaxxed

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and Vaxxed 2, which reallyopened up the conversation that
the media has tried to shut downabout vaccine safety.
You've also taken on the CDC,the FDA and other agencies in
court and won.
You're a truth teller, afighter for families.
I'm so excited that you arehere today, so welcome.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Cheryl, it's an honor to be here.
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Now, you were just on vacation.
How did that go?

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh, it was great.
Actually, I finally, after youknow, the last three years have
been pretty intense.
On top of a lot of the thingsyou listed there, of course, I
was director of communicationsfor Robert Kennedy Jr, so
running that whole gamut withthe campaign.
So finally, after all of thatwas through and I love the
results and how it worked outwith him at HHS I finally took

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the kids.
We went to the Grand Canyon,went camping, spent some time in
Arizona and Utah and it waslovely.
It was really good to get backto nature and stare up at some,
you know, big towering red wallsthat do not care who the
president of the United Statesis it just puts it all back in
perspective Trees and rocks thatdo not care about all the

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things that we're stressingabout.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Yes, kind of makes you look at like, wow, hundreds
of years ago on this land, whatwas happening?
It definitely wasn't peoplefighting over the president.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, I mean well, they were fighting over other
things.
So not thousands of years agoand not millions of years ago,
Definitely not.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Well, adele, I started watching your show, the
High Wire, at least five yearsago.
I was I've told you this beforeI was a government worker.
I had finally reached mysix-figure salary.
I had a pension coming my way.
I had one child in daycare.
At the time, I did all thethings that the normies do.
After watching the High Wire, Iquit my job, started
homeschooling the kids.
I've been kicked out of ourpediatrician's office, I am

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missing teeth in my mouth thatonce had root canals in them.
I am an ivermectin drug mulefor my family, and we're
drinking raw milk.
I've got chickens, so it's beena wild ride.
So I want to thank you, though,because it is so much more
fulfilling to be on this sideand not living in the matrix
anymore.
I live my days for us now, notwhat everybody else wants out of

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me, so thank you for that.
But I do want to get back toyour roots.
What made your mom decide tohomeschool you?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, well, I'm glad we're going there because you
know, as you listed off thosethings, I often, you know, when
I speak on stages all across thecountry and sometimes the world
, I always like to go back andjust say you know, I think, a
lot of the reasons I'm where I'mat.
I was homeschooled, I wasn'tvaccinated as a child and I
always say to the audience so ifyou're doing that with your

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kids, be careful, becausethey're probably going to find
themselves in the same amount oftrouble I find myself in, and
it sounds like you've done justabout the same.
You know, the homeschool thinghappened.
It's a story I love to tell.
First of all, my parents wereabsolutely hippies in the 1960s,
marched in Chicago during thefamous Chicago 7 moment and

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always had stories about that,fighting for what they believed
was freedom, freedom ofeducation, freedom of speech.
And then, when we were born, myparents were just very, very
conscious parents, as I wouldsay.
I would not win any pity partywhen I'm sitting with friends
and they're all talking abouthow terrible their parents were,
how awful they were treated.

(04:24):
I'm the exact opposite.
I had parents that were justsuper conscious of us as
children and saw that that jobof raising us was the most
important one they were evergoing to do.
My parents were beginning aspiritual journey, really
together, and so a lot of whatyou know I was taught to
meditate when I was, you know,three, four years old.
My parents would say to meyou're here to change the world,

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to make the world a betterplace, and you're capable of
anything that you can dream, aslong as you keep a clear
connection to God and never letanyone get in between that.
They raised me to alwaysquestion authority, which is a
difficult thing to do as aparent, right?
I mean, when you do that, theonly authority that child's
going to see for the first 18years are the parents.

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And so when they're saying itdoesn't matter what they would
say to me, doesn't matter ifit's a professor or or a senator
, if they're asking you to dosomething that does not, you
know, align with your intuition,what you think is right, don't
do it.
And so that was like from thevery beginning.
Parents were focused on me, andthen they still.

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I was in school around thirdgrade.
We were.
I was going to the publicschool in our local neighborhood
in Boulder, Colorado, and mysister and I would walk to
school every day.
It was about I don't know amile or so, maybe six, seven
blocks Back, when you could walkto school with a kindergartner
and a third grader by themselvesand the parents wouldn't be
arrested.
Remember those days, yeah.

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And so we would come home forlunch.
Most days, my mom didn't wantus eating the crappy food at the
school, or even borrowing itfrom friends.
We were the only ones that werelike organic, my mom, we were
grinding our own wheat flour,making our own bread.
My mom made her own mayonnaise.
So take homemade bread and puthomemade mayonnaise and we get
this.
If you did walk to school, yourlunch it was just this soggy

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mess that was falling apart bythe time lunch came around.
Anyway, one day my sister and Iwere returning for lunch and I
walked in the door.
My mom said you know whathappened to the t-shirt you were
wearing when you went to school?
And I'm not sure she was alwaysaware of the shirts I was
wearing, but this one inparticular that morning.
I'd made an art class the weekearlier where we were using
batik dyes and putting wax onthe shirt and different colors

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of dye, and I managed to spellmy gymnastics team.
I was really proud of it.
No one else attempted letteringand I wrote Flyers which was
the name of my gymnastics team,and so I was really proud of it
and I wore it to school.
But I wasn't wearing it when Icame home for lunch and when my
mom asked what happened to yourshirt, I said, oh, Craig said it
looks stupid, and he livedright next door to the school,

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so I just ran over and borrowedone of his t-shirts and my mom
pulled me out of schoolimmediately.
We never returned to that schoolfrom lunch and I remember her
saying to me I am never going toraise kids that care what other
people think.
You were proud of that shirt.
You walked out with that shirtand you let somebody else
undermine your confidence insomething you'd created,

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something you believed in.
That is not going to be the wayI want you to live in this
world.
And so, as she said, about fromthat moment on and instilling a
confidence and a connection,constant connection, with Source
, and I would say I wouldn't bedoing what I'm doing today or be
who I am today if it wasn't forthe attention that that was
given and this idea that we werecapable of just incredible

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achievements if we just reallyrecognized that we were created
in the image and likeness of God, that we have the ability to
create and that we're in a dancewith all the things that God's
created on this earth.
And so my brother and sisterwere raised in the same house.
We were all homeschooled and Iwould say, in many ways they've

(08:03):
all done very well.
My brother ended up beingpresident of the entire church
Unity Church system that myfather was a minister in, and my
sister's taking over myfather's church.
I was the only one that didn'tbecome a minister.
I think it's clear that I havea ministry.
It just wasn't.
That wasn't what I wanted to befocused on, and so I very much
enjoy the work that I'm doing.

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But I think you know people sayyou know how do you do what you
do, how are you brave enough todo what you do and the things
like that?
And I would say, just tell yourchildren that they're here to
change the world and make it abetter place every day of their
life and watch what they startbelieving is possible.
And I just want to make onemore thing clear that I think is
important, because my fatherwould always say to me let me be

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clear, you are no more specialthan every other person that's
on this planet.
We are all brothers and sistershere.
We are all equally created byGod.
But the way we are raising you,you're going to appreciate the
power and majesty of your lifemore than most, which is going
to put you at an advantage.
And he said never use that tohave advantage over people.

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Have it over ideas.
You know, make the world abetter place, Don't use it to
inflict pain.
And so when I went off toHollywood to be in film and
television, my father's lastwords to me was you know,
Hollywood demeans people.
They usually do shows and makefilms that you know undermine
the beauty of humanity.
If you're going to go there,lift us up.

(09:27):
And so that was always sort ofa message that I carried through
most of the things that I did,and it was many, many years
before I found the work that I'mdoing now, but I will say that
that always stayed true insideof my heart.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
And that's hard to do .
How did your parents, like I,struggle with that with my son,
trying to get him to appreciatethings you know it's, unless you
know if you can take them to godo mission work in other
countries or even in cities thatare less fortunate?
That's something you know.
Probably that would beeffective.
But how did your parentsinstill that in you and really

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show you that you have so muchto appreciate?
It's very easy in this world to.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
You know, my son thinks it's like a tragedy if I
take away his dirt bike and allhe has left to ride is a
four-wheeler.
How did they do that?
Yeah, you know, I asked thesame questions of myself as I'm
raising my own children my son's16 now.
My daughter is 11 years old andI, you know, think back.
You know I didn't enjoy themeditating when I was five years
old.
It was just something that theywere just putting in.
It was like brushing your teeth.
This is just something we'regoing to do and eventually

(10:31):
you'll seek, you know, the valuethat it brings, even though you
may not understand it now.
And I think that there's a lotof those things that were sort
of just put in as habit, whichwere important.
But probably most importantly,I think what our kids are really
learning from is us, you know,and how we're living our lives.
And I think I probablyreflected more as I got older on

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what would my father be doinghere, what would my mother, how
would they be in this situation?
And they always treated theirlife with inspiration but were
able to really be great at, youknow, sort of that prayer of
serenity, knowing the mountainsthat they could move in the ones
that they could, and havingacceptance and grace in the
difficult times, while beingpassionate and driven in the

(11:17):
things that they could dosomething about in the end
that's.
You know, one of the questionsthat I always get in the work
that I do is are you afraid foryour life?
Are you afraid what couldhappen to you or the attacks
that come on you?
And the only time that youthink about it is your children.
You know my wife and mychildren, but then I realized

(11:38):
that they chose me.
They chose to be a part of thisfamily and, ultimately, the
greatest gift that I can givethem is just for them to witness
a life of someone that woke uppassionately at four o'clock in
the morning every day, excitedfor that day, excited for the
work that I could do andcommitted to, you know, making
the world a better place, savingchildren's lives, trying to get

(12:01):
the truth out, and so I thinkthat that's all we have.
Right Is you give the lesson,you try and create habit.
But if you're not living thatlife right, if you're not
challenging your life, if yourchildren are watching you go to
a job you hate every day, youdespise your boss, you feel like
a slave, but you're doing itfor your children.
I would say stop immediately,because they're watching you,

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and if you don't want them tohave that feeling of enslavement
then they can't witness yougoing through that either.
And so I think the greatestlessons we give our kids is how
we're living our own lives.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
So true.
Now I know you and your wife,who I got to meet.
I got the pleasure of meetingher at the Food Farm Freedom
Convention as well.
You guys started a school forhomeschoolers, correct?
What inspired that?

Speaker 2 (12:46):
We did.
We have gone through different.
We were homeschooling rightwhen we released Vaxxed and then
I went out on the road but itwas a lot for my wife to handle
on her own, and so then wedecided the closest thing to
homeschooling would be a Waldorfcurriculum.
So our children started atWaldorf in California.

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Eventually we left and ended upin Austin, texas, in 2019.
And we were at the Waldorfthere and then COVID hit and
suddenly Waldorf became veryun-Waldorf-like.
You know, I don't know forpeople out there that aren't
aware of that.
You know teaching, but RudolfSteiner, the founder of Waldorf,

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could be arguably the firstanti-vaxxer alive was discussing
how he believed vaccines wouldbe used to rob the soul from
children in the future back inlate 1800s, early 1900s.
So he was on it before anyone.
So when that school startedbelieving in masking and social
distancing and putting peoplebehind computer screens to learn

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which Waldorf was alsoanti-technology, it was just
everything it believed in.
That's when we decided to sortof defect from that school.
We left with five otherfamilies and said, well, let's
start a homeschool, you know,pod together.
We'll hire some teachers.
Let's start a homeschool podtogether, we'll hire some
teachers and we'll bring all ofour kids together and that's
what we did, and we found aproperty to do that.

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Only that pod ended up beingabout 60 children as the next
school year started.
A lot of people followed us intothat and it was really
fascinating because I didn'treally think about the fact that
a school like that or a pod, ahomeschool pod like that, really
is a community builder and manyof our friends from California

(14:32):
that hadn't left yet ended upcoming to Texas to be a part of
that.
So in many ways it drew in ourcommunity and we met.
You know we have great newfriends now because of Mickey
Willis and his family and othercreative people all sort of
ended up in this, this divineexperiment.
So, yeah, we started, it'scalled raphael springs and we've

(14:53):
that continued to nurture that.
That's gone on.
Is is a thriving school and, umand now you know we're trying
different things ever is goingto get more into a sports, uh,
oriented school, but it's beengreat and I'll say this all the
kids that came out of that, thataged out of that pod that we'd
created and had to go intomiddle or high school, all the

(15:14):
ones that I know of anyway, thattracked in the same schools
with Ever.
They're all straight-Avaledictorian-level students.
So anyone that's afraid ofraising children that way, with
less structure, and let themfollow their own goals.
I've never had to tell Ever todo his homework, ever.
I mean, he does it on his ownand gets incredible grades, and
so it really does work when youlet children work from their

(15:37):
inspiration.
Give them some guidance, ofcourse, but they've all proven
to be really brilliant students.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
Man, that's amazing.
Do you think that one of thereasons people so easily trust
the government and the medicalauthority is because of the way
that the traditional schoolsystem trains us to sort of just
obey and not question?

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Yeah, I absolutely believe that that is the case.
I think it's designed that way,and Rudolf Steiner that was
exactly his point.
I think it's designed that wayand Rudolf Steiner that was
exactly his point.
Your children are beingdesigned like factory workers to
rise when they hear a bell,take a break or go to the next
class, hear a bell and sit down.
They are being turned intoassembly workers and two never

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question authority.
Questioning your teacher,questioning what's happening
there, is not celebrated at allby the education system.

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Speaker 2 (17:18):
In fact I take it a step further.
I was interviewing SuzanneHumphries who wrote the book
Dissolving Illusions, which Ithink is one of the best books
looking back at the poliovaccine and smallpox vaccine,
which is where that wholeprogram begins.
But I was saying to her she wasa nephrologist, kidney top in
her field, and I said what is itabout med school that seems to

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train the critical thinking outof doctors, which is something
we all saw during COVID.
Why would doctors suddenly, youknow, force remdesivir on
people and all it was doing wascausing kidney failure, putting
them on ventilators where nineout of 10 of them were dying,
denying them ivermectin andhydroxychloroquine, where anyone
watching my show or any, youknow, watching anything that was

(18:03):
happening around you, yourecognize that these were
products that worked.
How was it doctors could just beso easily misled and, frankly,
be used to murder, whetherpurposefully or accidentally, I
think, hundreds of thousands ofpeople in America and millions
around the world?
But I said to her what is itthat takes away their critical
thinking?
Takes away their criticalthinking?
And she said well, on thecontrary, the education system,

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higher education, like fordoctors, it weeds out those that
critically think.
As you go through that process.
If you keep asking questions orchallenging your teacher,
you're not going to get goodgrades, good enough to continue
on your doctorate journey.
Also, you're only being taskedwith cut and paste.
Can I remember all the rightthings that were in the textbook
and just reiterate them like aparrot?
Exactly, it's not asking for usto be critical thinking beings.

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It used to.
It used to be a doctor was adetective that would listen to
their patient and try to figureout what unique thing was going
on.
That's no longer the case.
Most doctors would tell youthat died, you know, over a
decade ago.
Now it's just whatever the CDCsays.
It's a cut and paste, mostlywritten by the drug agencies.
And so I think you know, as welook to the future, you know

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what are our children going tobe.
And when you go to a Waldorfschool, they give you a book of
all of the heads of thetechnology companies that built
your computer, that built yourphone, that created AI.
None of them are letting theirkids use those things.
Either they're homeschoolingthem or they're sending them to
Waldorf schools where they'renot allowed to touch any
technology at all.
That should give you a pause,because what you want are

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children that can inspirethemselves, they can self-create
, they can set their ownschedules and they can figure
things out using their own skillset, and so I think all of
those things are critical andnone of that is taught in school
.
And lastly, I think, just lookat history.
I think about this a lotbecause I did go back into high

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school.
I went to a public school afterbeing homeschooled up into that
point, and I think about theteachers that I saw there
teaching history, and allhistory was on what date did
Columbus blah, blah, blah?
On what date did GeorgeWashington cross the river?
It was just dates, dates, dates.
But then you watch, like aseries on HBO, like John Adams,

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where they tell the personalstory, and you recognize that
history should be showing youthat almost every time, every
page in a history book iswritten are stories about
insurmountable odds, people thatbelieved that they were being
guided by God and faith mostoften, and just stood in the
face of adversity and absolutelypulled off miracles, miracles,

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one after another, by their ownbelief in themselves or ability
to lead.
Yet we never hear any of that.
Instead, it's just reduced to adate, because the school
doesn't want you to believe thatas an individual, you're
powerful enough to make adifference in this world.
Instead, our school is tellingus you aren't important.
The good, the greater good ofthe body of humanity is

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important.
Frankly, it's a you know, it'ssocialism at best and communism
at worst, but it's not whatfounded this nation and, frankly
, it's not probably what'swritten in any history book in
the world, certainly not thiscountry.
This country is, I mean, thinkabout it.
Have you ever read?
We outnumbered them, you know,100 to one and the battle lasted
45 minutes.

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Never read that story.
You've never read that.
That's not what goes in thepages of history.
What goes in the pages ofhistory is people.
That just said.
I know it looks like we're allgoing to die here on paper, but
I know right now I have a sense,a sense of providence, that if
we cross this river in thefreezing cold and we take out
that the soldiers you know onthe other side that that will

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change the course of history andit does.
That's what you want to beteaching your children the
inspiration that you actually.
You know in many ways we're thegroup of people but standing in
your greatness, you have thepossibility to be a world
changer.
They don't want that to be athought really of any citizen

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right now in America andcertainly not in the rest of the
world.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Absolutely not.
That's why we use the TuttleTwins books.
I do a lot of work with theTuttle Twins.
I love them.
I've had both Connor and Elijahon the podcast.
I've also had on Alex Newman,which you had on vacation but he
was on the high wire a coupleof weeks ago and Alex's book
Indoctrinating Our Children toDeath really gets into that.
How it's socialism at best,communism at worst, and he

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outlines everything in theschool system that is
attributing to that.
And the beginning of your storythere reminded me of when I was
in the OB's office with mypregnancy my last pregnancy and
they asked me if I wanted to getthe COVID shot and I said no,
thank you.
In fact I had gone out and gotCOVID, like you asked, like you
suggested we do.
My husband was on board.

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We took our son and went to mysister's house when they tested
positive for COVID and we allgot COVID.
It was, you know, lovely time.
We all got like four weeks offof work.
It was a nice little vacation.
We got a lot done at the house.
We had our ivermectin, we weregood.
But so I'd already had theantibodies.
I was pregnant.
I did it before I got pregnanton purpose.
And he says to me do you wantthe COVID shot?
I said no.
I said I think maybe.

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I said there was aseven-year-old in the news that
died of that and he goes well,you weigh much more than a
seven-year-old would, orsomething to that effect.
And I said to him but my fetusdoesn't.
It was like totally over theirhead that you know that I was
worried about the fetus andactually, I had a pregnancy that
I lost after a flu shot and Ididn't question it at the time.

(23:37):
But, after watching your showand seeing different episodes
that you've had on that I'm like.
Well, that that you know.
I went back and looked at kindof the dates of things and that
lines up and everything happensfor a reason.
I think that that was justsomething to egg me on and you
know the next direction, butit's so interesting.
So when you worked on thedoctors now, you weren't allowed
to cover certain storiesbecause of sponsorship pressure.
Do you think that kind ofcensorship is happening across

(24:01):
the board, like can we?
We can definitely assume thatit's happening in politics.
What about hospitals, media,and do you think it's even
happening in our schools?

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah, well, I mean I think, look, it doesn't matter
whether at this point, thefunding is coming from pharma.
In many ways it is.
The pharmaceutical industry isthe most powerful lobby in
Washington.
It outspends oil and gas as alobby two to one.
So it's spending twice as muchmoney buying up politicians than
even the groups that we fightwars in the Middle East for.

(24:29):
So that gives you a sense ofwhere that's at.
50 to 70 percent of alltelevision advertising is funded
by the pharmaceutical industry,which means every single news
anchor essentially is workingfor pharma and every director
and creative writer, inmainstream television especially
, is working for thepharmaceutical industry.
What people don't realize iswhen you work in television, we

(24:52):
discuss it.
It's why you have the Nielsenratings or whatever rating
system they're using to valuethe show throughout, every 15
minutes, every quarter, how many, how much retention you're
getting.
Why does that matter to them?
Because that television is onlya billboard.
That is all that it is.

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It's an electronic billboardthat's in every house across
America and that show is onlythere to keep your eyes on that
billboard so that when itflashes they sell products to
you.
And that's what it is.
And if your show doesn't holdenough eyeballs to sell those
ads.
Your show is pulled, so it'sall owned by the advertisers and

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when the advertising becomesmore than 50% of it is all by
one industry.
You start getting a sense ofwhat's running your industry.
When you look at the hospitals,look at the wings.
Look at who donated a wing tothat hospital.
Where did that money come from?
What's going on there?
When you look at the textbooks,who's funding the textbooks in

(25:54):
the universities?
The pharmaceutical industry.
So who's writing your textbooks?
The pharmaceutical industry.
What is medicine?
It is really essentially nowdrug pushing.
It is there, you know it is.
Let us train you how to be aprofessional, legal drug pusher.
And now America consumes.
You know the greater.
You know body, I think it's.
I think it's something like 60%of the drugs in the world are

(26:18):
consumed by us.
You know what are we?
4% of the world's population.
I mean, it just gives you asense of how out of control this
is.
But in the end, that televisionthe value that has had is it's a
24-hour-a-day mantra, if youwill.
It's a religion that is makingyou.
It is brainwashing you with aconstant message that you are

(26:42):
just a body of parts that can,that get sick and need to be put
together by somebody else by adoctor, by a drug, by a hospital
, by a surgery get the nextgreat drug instead of you
recognizing that you arecreating the image and likeness
of God, that you have an innateconnection and immune system and

(27:04):
a body that is designed to healitself.
So all of that, so none of thatis getting through the school.
No one in school is teachingyour children about the power of
the body and what it canovercome and how it's designed
to heal.
Instead, I think now one in fourchildren is leaving elementary
school on a drug they're goingto be on the rest of their lives

(27:24):
.
Oftentimes those drugs arebeing recommended by your school
counselor that doesn't evenhave a medical degree, or the
school nurse anxiety drugs orRitalin.
We are just destroying thefuture of our children and we're
at the precipice of a momentwhere this generation now of
children nearly half of themwill never have had a sober day

(27:47):
in their lives and I'm sorry ifyour kids are on Ritalin.
They're drug addicts.
They are on drugs.
They never know what it's liketo be sober If they're in on
SSRIs.
They've never known what it'slike to be sober.
What happens to a society wherethe children were drugged their
entire lives, have neverlearned how to handle any

(28:08):
emotion, any issues, anydifficulties.
Instead, there was always adrug that could fix the problem.
We've only seen the beginningof the issues that are arising
around a nation that's designedthat way.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, yeah, they did it to me.
I went in for this or that andoh, you should get on an SSRI.
And I was like 20 something,okay, yeah, make you happy,
relax, okay.
But yeah, and now in my 40s,I'm like okay, what can I do to
undo this damage?
So I'm intermittent fastingright now.
I didn't really do a deep divein it, but I was like give it a

(28:43):
whirl.
You know your body's supposedto get rid of all of the bad
cells after a certain amount ofhours.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah, a little autophagy might help there.
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yes, exactly.
So, okay, I loved what you justtalked about with the billboard
.
I actually stole that quote toread to you, to ask you more
questions on it, because youjust did a fantastic interview
with Alex Clark on the Culture.
Apothecary podcast.
So for any parent that'slistening today and thinks what
do you mean I need to questionvaccines, for I didn't even know

(29:11):
I had to question this.
Where do I begin?
I would send them straight tothat episode, because that's
like the most recent thing thatI've seen you do.
That really outlines it fromthe beginning in such a
fantastic way.
So I'm going to link thatepisode to the show notes.
So anybody it's two hours, soworth your time.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
It was really thorough.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yes, she was, and I loved how she just came at it
from like the skeptic, but alsoshe knew what she was talking
about.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Look, I told her to ask as hard a question as you
can think of.
You know I told her to ask ashard a question as you can think
of.
You know I enjoy the challengeof it.
But you know I've looked atthis long enough and we're in an
issue now where, as I say onthat podcast, one of the head
psychologists at the WHO, duringa very important meeting trying
to figure out how to stopvaccine hesitancy Her name is
Heidi Larson she said you know,we all know that a doctor and a

(29:57):
nurse are lucky if they get ahalf a day education on vaccines
.
That is the deplorable situation.
So anyone that like is afraidto challenge their doctor.
The reason your doctor gets sofrustrated with you when you ask
them is they have no knowledgewhatsoever.
They really don't understandhow they work.
They don't know what's in them.
They don't understand theimmune system.
They weren't trained that way.

(30:18):
They are just going through aritual, if you will.
It's more like a religion wherethey learn how to put the
little cracker on your tongueand give you the little wine and
you do it and they wipe theglass.
That's what they've been taught.
They have no idea what they'reactually doing, how it works,
and I know that's shocking forpeople that really want to
believe that that white lab coatmeans something.

(30:40):
What it means is actually alack of education and one of the
biggest decisions you're evergoing to make in your life.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah, it means that you bought a degree, you bought
it Like it's not even earned.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
You bought it.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
So all right.
So I've never.
I know you're titled theanti-vaxxer from media and
whatnot, but I've never actuallyheard you tell people don't get
vaccines.
You are very clear that youwant people to listen to the
facts and choose what's best foryour lifestyle and your comfort
level.
So you know.
That's exactly what informedconsent is supposed to be.
But I think the problem is ismost people don't even

(31:12):
understand what informed consentis.
I know I didn't until I startedwatching your show.
So, can you kind of explain whatinformed consent is, how it
relates to the 86 NationalChildhood Vaccine Injury Act?
And then do you think schoolsand the media are deliberately
keeping us in the dark that wehave this right to informed
consent?

Speaker 2 (31:32):
Yeah, so informed consent is actually, I guess, a
medical term.
It's defined in the NurembergCode.
This is after the Nurembergtrial of the doctors from Nazi
Germany that were testingvaccines and drugs and surgeries
and all sorts of things oninnocent people that had not
agreed to it.
Obviously they were inconcentration camps.

(31:52):
But throughout that trial, whenit was all over and many of
those doctors were hung andexecuted and, by the way, their
argument was simply we were justdoing what we were told to do
by our government or by the headof our hospital or whatever was
going on.
So ignorance obviously is not adefense and it didn't work for
those doctors.
But when it was all over, thefree nations of the world got

(32:14):
together and said how do we makesure that that never happens
again?
And so they created theNuremberg Code, which is a set
of rules by which all of modernmedicine adheres, and the number
one, very first rule isinformed consent.
Basically states that thevoluntary consent of the patient

(32:35):
is critical in all medicaldecisions and that that consent
can only be found if they arefully educated on all of the
benefits of whatever product or,you know, procedure is taking
place and all of the potentialside effects and negatives and
after they've heard all sides ofwhat is possible, they then get

(32:56):
to decide whether they consentor not.
And this is one of the issuesthat's you know already.
We're not getting consent.
We're not being told about theside effects of vaccines, which
is written, by the way, on everylabel that was wrapped around
the vaccine that went to yourdoctor's office.
They're not handing you thoseside effects that you'll read on
a carton of cigarettes you haveto read it in almost every

(33:19):
other product but you're notseeing it on vaccines, which I
believe should be consideredillegal.
Certainly you know it'sshirking the job that they're
supposed to be doing.
But even if they were handingyou all of that the vaccine
mandates that exist to, you know, in order to go to school,
which are really only now infive states where you can't opt

(33:41):
out of it right and this is partof the work that I do with the
High Wire and our nonprofitInformed Consent Action Network
we're winning back the right tobe able to exempt out.
We won in Mississippi.
I think it's nearly two yearsago.
They got their religiousexemption back after not having
had it since the 1970s.
We just won an injunction thisweek in West Virginia, where

(34:01):
we're getting very close toreturning the religious
exemption to West Virginia Also,I think they lost it before
Mississippi.
But there's Connecticut, newYork and Maine and California
amongst those that are stillholding out to force you to go
to school.
Well, let me put it this waythey're coercing you, which that
word is actually in informedconsent.

(34:21):
No form of coercion is allowed,coercion being, if you don't
take this medical product, whichis all a vaccine is, you can't
go to school.
That's the definition ofcoercion.
So I would say the vaccinemandate, and everywhere it's
enforced, is in direct violationof the Nuremberg Code.
And so I think that, in allhonesty, as you've said, I

(34:45):
believe this is a free countryand we all do different things
when we raise our children.
I take my children skiing assoon as they can walk, almost, I
think at like three and a half,maybe four.
I was teaching my daughter howto ski and my son because I grew
up skiing.
For many that's dangerous.
For many I'm putting mychildren at risk and they may
want to say you shouldn't beallowed to do that.

(35:07):
But all over Switzerland andeverywhere else in the world,
that's how you're raised.
We should be allowed to raiseour children the way we were
raised.
You shouldn't be forced to dothings by the government and how
you raise your children.
So I'm not going to force youto not vaccinate.
I think you have the right todo that, even though I think in
essence, you're unknowinglypoisoning your child.
But you certainly cannot forceme to inject products into my

(35:31):
children that I don't agree with, especially after I've looked
at all the information.
And so that is what I'mfighting for is your right to
choose not to remove vaccinesfrom the planet.
I'm fighting every day and allthe work that I do with our
nonprofit is so that you havethe right to choose.
And, frankly, if we could putthe Nuremberg Code and make it a

(35:52):
priority, or even codify it aslaws that you could never be
given a product or injected withanything or your children that
you don't agree with, then myjob would be done here.

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Speaker 2 (36:33):
I think the other thing you brought up is the 1986
Act.
Vaccines are the only productthat have no liability.
The liability has beenprotected by the government.
So the government steps in andprotects this industry so that
even when that product kills you, kills your children, maims you
in all the different ways thatit can, you don't really have a

(36:54):
recourse.
There's a kangaroo court.
You go and fight the government.
Robert Kennedy Jr is speakingabout that as we speak.
He just put out a lot of tweetsthis week saying he's going to
change a system, this kangaroocourt that basically uses
Department of Justice lawyers,the unending supply of funds to
Department of Justice paid forby taxpayers to fight innocent

(37:16):
people in court to make surethat they cannot win a lawsuit
because of the injury fromvaccines.
This whole thing has been turnedon its head.
So you know, in many ways, ifthat changed, if we put
liability back on themanufacturer, I believe you
would watch probably at leastthree quarters of the vaccines,
if not all of them, pulled fromthe market immediately because

(37:38):
they know they're destroyingpeople's lives.
And, as they said back in 1986,when the law was passed, we are
losing so much money from deathand injury cases on vaccines we
cannot make a profit.
That's why we protected themfrom liability.
But ask yourself, as you seethem losing cases on drugs that

(37:59):
kill people, why they make moneyfrom drugs and don't need
liability protection.
So what is it about vaccines?
Are they more dangerous thandrugs?
Good question.
Or, you know, are they notmaking enough money?
Now, if you look at the booksof Pfizer and all these drug
companies usually within the topfive of the most profitable

(38:20):
drugs they make, you will findat least one or two of them are
vaccines, so they make as muchmoney as their biggest drugs.
So if that's the case andvaccine injury is one in a
million, like the government anddoctors keep trying to tell us,
then why is it that an industrythat makes, for instance, $100

(38:41):
billion on the COVID vaccinecan't afford the one in a
million lawsuit?
I think all of these things arethe types of questions I ask
anyone that wants to challengeme.
Answer those questions andyou'll see someone that's
bewildered.
It doesn't can't really explainwhy it's the case.
It's the only.
We need to just return tonormal marketplace standards.
Let the market decide whetherthis is a great product, let

(39:04):
people sue if it hurts them andwatch manufacturers compete with
each other to make a betterproduct.
These products are not evolvingbecause they can't be sued and
nobody they're not challenging.
You don't see new versions ofMMR.
You're not seeing new versionsof chicken pox, because they're
locked in.
They don't have to pay foradvertising because they're
forced on you.
They don't have to pay anylegal fees because they're

(39:26):
protected from liability andthey don't have to do safety
studies because no one can eversue them if they hurt you.
So if we don't change the waythis is working, we're going to
perpetually be in greater andgreater forms of harm.
And I think the latest mRNAtechnology is probably the worst
technology that's ever racedonto the market.

(39:47):
And we're seeing the turbocancers and all of the blood
clots and swollen hearts andmyocarditis and pericarditis and
children collapsing on fieldswith heart attacks.
We've never seen things we'venever seen before, because this
industry owns our government andwe're doing everything we can
to change that, includinggetting Robert Kennedy Jr in

(40:07):
there to try and shake things upfrom the inside.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, definitely, I'm in New York.
So I don't think Cuomo readthat part of the Nuremberg Code.
He does not care, he does notcare.
But, yeah, I am happy to helpyou out with whatever you need
help with in new york, here,right, right near albany.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
so we have I mean I will tell you right now.
We have cases right now in newyork itself that may be the most
important cases on the issue ofmedical freedom.
They'll probably go all the wayto supreme court.
So if anyone wants to help withthat work, either on our
website, thehighwirecom, or ournonprofit, icandecideorg, just
go up and donate.
We're spending millions andmillions of dollars fighting

(40:46):
cases, especially our favoriteone is in New York right now.
I won't talk about it or whatit is because we don't want to
mess up how the judge ishandling in court, but that is
the top priority of ournonprofit.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Awesome and we thank you for that.
So all right.
So I was part of the mainstreambefore watching the high wire,
so my son has like 32 shots inhim.
When I started going down thisrabbit hole, I got all of his
medical records.
I started counting up everyshot and I was shocked.
You know, I was never aware ofhow many he was actually getting

(41:19):
.
So there was no informedconsent.
No one asked if I wanted them,they didn't tell me what
diseases they were for, theyjust said this is what he's due
for today.
And then they send you home,maybe with some information, but
probably to give them Tylenolwhich exacerbates any sort of
negative effect.
So all right, my son thankfullydoes not have autism.
But are we out of the woods yet?

(41:42):
Like, could this still havesome other long-term damage,
like risk of cancer or ADHD orAlzheimer's?
Is there anything we can do asparents that weren't on this
bandwagon until a little laterto kind of get rid of these
negative effects that might comefrom these shots?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
to kind of get rid of these negative effects that
might come from these shots?
You know that's a difficultquestion to answer, because the
one thing that I do not want todo is to have people living in
some sense of fear, dread ordoom or guilt over what they've
done or mistakes they made whenthey didn't have knowledge.
I think the most importantthing to recognize is that the
human body is so incrediblyresilient.
This tool that's designed byGod can handle so many different

(42:22):
types of impacts and cansurvive some of the most insane
things we've ever seen.
There's incredible miracles andstories of that, and I think
it's more important that,instead of worrying about what's
been done, that we changecourse as soon as we know and we
start trying to reduce theamount of environmental impacts
that our kids are being hit withand that we're being hit with

(42:43):
as best we can.
I mean, you know look, youcould go nuts never eat out,
never touch a piece of bread.
You know, never drink a glassof water and just start really
losing your mind.
And so I think it's best tojust recognize that.
You know our minds are powerful.
How we see our bodies and howwe carry ourselves is very
important.
There's the obvious things youcan do.

(43:07):
You know, if you want to bedetoxing, you know you can eat
more cilantro, which will bepulling aluminum out of your
body, or maybe drinking Fijiwater.
I'll tell you one of thesecrets from the most well-read
aluminum scientists in the worldhe drinks nothing but Fiji
because the silica is thehighest in that water.
That binds to aluminum, takesit out of the body.

(43:28):
But then you got to deal withthe plastic.
That has its other issue.
So someone out there is alwaysgoing to find something wrong
with what you're doing.
But are you out of the woods?
I'll say this I don't think thatmy belief now in all the work
that I've done is that nobodythat says well, the vaccine
program, you know, didn't hurtmy kids.
It certainly didn't hurt themas bad as they could have been

(43:50):
hurt.
I think that we're all beinginjured on some level, whether
it's just a peanut allergy orperhaps eczema, or there's
asthma or something that's outthere that we sort of have to
clear.
You know it's rare that youhear that a child is just
perfectly healthy.
That has been through thissystem.
But I wouldn't live in fear ofthe future.
I would just say we know whatwe know.

(44:12):
Now let's clean ourselves up,because look, the air you're
breathing is probably horrible.
You have no idea when you'vedriven through areas where
there's chemicals in the air andno one told you.
You've definitely come acrossall sorts of contaminations in
fabrics, in hotel rooms, I meanthere's just.
We don't want to turn intohypochondriacs, we just want to
do the best that we can, and soI would just say just do the

(44:33):
best that you can and moveforward.
I have met people that werejust so dedicated to health and
jumped in ice cold rivers everysingle day and washed every
single piece of food andexercised so many hours.
Die at a young age, and so Ithink the most important thing
to do is to not live in stress,and if worrying about health is

(44:56):
stressing you, that certainlyisn't going to be any good
either.
So it's just finding balance.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
That's a great point.
Now what do you say to theparents who, like I mean I've
done a lot of research now overthe last five years, filled
notebooks up with informationabout you know what the death
rate of this disease was beforethe vaccine versus after the
vaccine?
It's not really that bad, andthese are the safety trials.
But most parents don't have thetime or energy or desire really
even to do that or theknowledge to know that they need

(45:24):
to.
So what do you say to theparent?
That's like I know I don't wantthese shots for my kids, but I
don't have time to memorize youknow the dictionary on vaccines.
Because even knowing what Iknow, I've still been brought to
tears in offices where they aretelling me if I don't give my
kid the vitamin K shot, she'sgoing to have a brain bleed and
there's going to be nothing theycan do.

(45:45):
At that point, which I gave in,I've been told that she could
get hepatitis from just crawlingon the floor.
They really make it horrible.
I've been kicked out of ourpediatrician's office.
So I mean I had the willpower,kind of, to go.
I mean I gave into the vitaminK.
But what would you tell?
Like is there one sentence thatwe can?
Or would you just say justdon't do the pediatricians, just

(46:07):
skip it?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
That's what I did.
My kids have never seen apediatrician.
I never saw a pediatrician inmy entire life.
I don't think pediatricianshave any value, unfortunately
and I know some greatpediatricians and they get upset
when I say that but for themost part they do two things
they weigh your baby and thenthey give them vaccines.
They don't know how vaccineswork, so the only thing they're

(46:28):
doing with knowledge is weighingyour baby, and I think you can
do that yourself and, frankly,if you bring them any issue
that's beyond that they have ahigh fever or something's going
on they're going to tell you togo to an ER doctor.
Your chiropractor is capable ofdoing the same thing.
I go to chiropractors and if Ihave a question, just need
guidance, but usually it'spretty obvious If there's a
serious issue, no pediatricianis designed or equipped to

(46:52):
handle that anyway, and so Ijust think all they are is
Starting your child on aconveyor belt of autoimmune
disease and neurologicaldisorders.
That you don't need to befighting that, and that's the
position I've come to over years.
At first I tried to beforgiving.
But they're not learning,they're not regrouping.
They just don't seem to knowhow to read science or look at

(47:16):
the science and so I just don'tthink there's value there.
But everybody's going to comeat this their own way.
You know, and I've said it, Isaid I think on Alex Clark's
show, just because you know Idon't vaccinate my children
doesn't mean sure there's apossibility that they could get
an infection that maybe wasvaccine, you know, preventable

(47:40):
and they could die.
It is so incredibly rare thatthat would happen because, as I
pointed out, the death rate ofmeasles was one in 500,000
before there was ever a vaccinein America on a population level
.
And one in 10,000 of those thatcaught measles is sort of their
best guess because it wasn'treported, because it was such a

(48:00):
trivial illness.
And anyone that questions that,I would say anyone that
questions MMR, the measles, andwants to think it's deadly, just
look up Brady Bunch and measlesand ask yourself if it was so
deadly, why did the Brady Bunchall catch it?
And it had a laugh track andeveryone in the audience was
laughing and nobody wrote.
You can't find articles thatsaid I can't believe Brady Bunch

(48:21):
just made a deadly disease intoa joke, didn't exist, didn't
happen.
The only thing that's changedis the pharmaceutical industry
owns our television now andthey've got every newscaster
telling you that that's a deadlydisease.
You know, I always laugh atreporters that tell me that I'm
responsible for people dyingfrom measles.

(48:46):
And I say if measles is deadly,how are you even here telling me
this?
And they said what do you mean?
I said I'd like to know ifmeasles is so deadly, how are
you telling me this?
Like I don't understand.
I said, well, can we agree it'slike one of the most infectious
diseases in the world?
Like, yeah, well then can weagree that your grandparents and
every grandparent on the planetcaught this disease?
Yeah, well then it didn't killthem.
And there's 7 point whateverbillion people on this earth,

(49:07):
because all of our you knowgrandparents caught a disease
that apparently wasn't deadlyenough to come anywhere near
stopping the growth of thebillions of people on this
planet.
So I mean, that's where I cameat it from.
Every person is going to have tocome on their own journey and
all I would say is use yourintuition.
If it feels right, I wouldn'tsay go against that, but if it

(49:28):
feels wrong, then you have to doyour homework.
Now You're going to have tostart looking into things and
the first place I would say tostart is ask your pediatrician.
Or if you don't even want totalk to them, all you have to do
is just go to FDA licensedvaccines.
You can Google that right nowFDA licensed vaccines.
It'll give you the entire listof every vaccine that's been

(49:49):
licensed and then type inanother window CDC childhood
vaccine schedule and get thelist and then say get the name
of the vaccine, go over thislist, click on it and then click
on package insert that warninglabel I told you that you were
supposed to have received andyou didn't, and it's all there.
You can get it in five secondsif you did it.

(50:09):
You're already looking at itright now and then start reading
all that's in it.
I would point out, the thingsyou want to look at is section
6.1.
And every single time 6.1 isthe trials that determine the
safety.
If you're looking at Recompivax, which is the hepatitis B
vaccine given on day one of life, you'll read that 147 children

(50:38):
were in the entire trial 147.
They were between the age ofinfant to 10 years old.
They weren't all one day old,so they didn't even give it to
147 one day olds and they wereobserved for five days after
injection.
That's it, a five day safetytrial of 147 children is what
determined that that product wassafe enough to give to everyone
in the world.
There's not a cancer drug inthe world that would ever give

(50:59):
it away with that, even if thatcancer patient is stage four and
about to die.
They wouldn't let you take aproduct that only be tested for
five days, but they'll give itto your brand new baby.
I think that's insane.
So start right there, and whenrecombivax and hepatitis B
scares you to death, then gowell, what about MMR?
And go to 6.1 and start lookingat all of these things and then

(51:20):
you'll see oh my God, you'llfind out.
What we're saying is true.
They cannot say that a singleone of these vaccines is safe
because not one of them everwent through a double blind
placebo based trial, which isthe gold standard to establish
safety.
So I said on Alex Clark fullstop.
No childhood vaccine has beenthrough a safety trial using a

(51:42):
placebo.
Therefore, they cannot saythey're safe, and I happen to
make a rule that I don't injectmy children with products that
have never been through a safetytest.
That's just me.
Everyone else can make theirown decisions the jargon there
too.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
You know, when you break that down, that is, they
tested these kids with, say, therecombivax, and then the quote
unquote, like placebo group,they gave them just a different
vaccine and then when you knowmultiple kids got autism, said
there was no more autism in theone group than in the other.
So like you know that's crazy,but they don't write that out

(52:21):
and unless you're willing toreally explore what that means,
it can just kind of go over yourhead.
I really had to sit with thatfor a while and think, wow, like
let's dumb that down to whatthat really means.
That's crazy.
And getting back to what youwere talking about earlier, with
the television being abillboard, I've noticed now when
we watch shows and I'm surethis is on purpose and has
something to do with the schoolsystem, just you know, making us

(52:44):
not question anything, butthings like there's a show
called Call the Midwife whereyou know it's set back in like
the 50s, 60s, maybe 40s, andthey're delivering babies in
England at the house, and youknow they have these major
characters.
You know the one nurse diesbecause she caught meningitis
and if only there was a vaccine.
And there are other episodesabout the polio outbreak and the

(53:06):
measles outbreak and they'vegot the little.
You know, the lead characters,little boy, her stepson is now
with the iron lung, which youtalked about is really
transverse myelitis, you know,and the iron lung is a
ventilator.
But it's crazy where thesesubliminal messages are.
So it's as you were talkingabout the billboard.
You know, the television beinga billboard, we think of that

(53:28):
just as commercials.
But we have to like, look atthe bigger picture.
It's not just commercials, it'sthe show itself.
They're, they're putting theproducts right into the script.
You know, every time you see aCoke bottle or an absolute vodka
bottle like that was placedthere by the maker of that
product and then they paid, youknow, to have their products on
their advertising.
So I just, you know, as I thinkof what we really have to undo

(53:52):
from the school system.
That's one of them.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Well, look, when you allow a product like you know
when we look at COVID vaccine to, you know to rush onto the
market without a proper safetytrial.
We all have watched that happenwith our own eyes.
You watched our government sinkbillions of dollars into the
R&D and then all the profits?
Did we get reimbursed for that?
Did our taxes get reduced oncethat started making a hundred

(54:14):
billion dollars?
So this industry gets thegovernment to pay for their R&D.
They do their own safetystudies, not our government.
They're the ones that tell usit's safe.
They race it on the market andthen, as they make a profit, we
let them keep all the profits.
We let them make $100 billion.
And then they go and become themost powerful lobby in
Washington, buying the next setof politicians that will pay for

(54:35):
their next R&D to rush aproduct on the market.
Well, they'll make all themoney.
And then they're also buyingadvertising More than 50% of
your advertising.
They're buying up youruniversities.
We are letting these industriesmake such insane amounts of
money and then the one thingwe're afraid to do is actually
make them liable for them.
I mean, come on, if they've gotthe type of money to buy your
governments, to buy the WHO topush pandemics that should never

(54:59):
have been pushed the way thatwas.
I mean, look at the fundingwe're allowing them to have, and
they don't even have thedecency to allow us to sue them
for those of us that are beinginjured.
And so they have.
I mean, they've got it allwired in.
How we got this far and thisout of control is absolutely
insane.
But look, we're winning.
We are turning this giantaircraft carrier of stupidity

(55:22):
around.
We are getting back to what'sreasonable.
People are starting to say Ithink I should be able to sue.
I don't think they should beable to rush these products on
the market.
I definitely don't think theyshould have taken people's jobs
away for not getting a productthat wasn't properly safety
tested and a product now thatCleveland Clinic and all
universities around the worldhave shown not only doesn't stop
transmission, but after 15weeks after the shot actually

(55:44):
makes you more vulnerable toCOVID, so it's increasing your
risk of infection.
And yet they continue to pushit onto your children and try to
make money off of it.
So, look, we have a lot of workto do, and as long as we want
to go to sleep and look theother way, then they're going to
get away with it.
But I think that this is themoment in time.
Covid woke up a lot of people.

(56:04):
There's a lot of people thatare starting to shift their
perspective on this.
But it's going to take work,it's going to take courage, it's
going to take standing upagainst that mantra of fear that
we're all going to die if wedon't have pharma.
All I want you to do is lookaround, go to New York City or,
if you're in a populated area,look around and realize that
we're here as a species, notbecause of doctors.

(56:24):
Doctors have really only beenhere for a hundred years, at
least in the modern space.
Yet our species was doing justfine.
It's never been eradicated fromthis planet.
The same people are telling youyou should be afraid of dying,
or telling you there's too manypeople on the planet.
So which one is it?
Are we dying too quickly or arethere too many of us surviving?
They're telling that they'reconflicted in their own story
here.
I think, when you look around,we're perfectly capable of

(56:47):
surviving and no one can tellyou that's just because we're
being vaccinated.
In fact, the truth is, is we'resicker than we've ever been?
We are alive.
But we have insane amounts,amounts of autoimmune
neurological disorders and Ithink you know.
If you look at the science thatI have, you can say clearly
autoimmune.
Your immune system is somehowgone off the rickety scales,

(57:09):
attacking your own body.
I think a product that istricking your immune system all
the time 72 times, I think we'renow at a hundred.
I call them.
You know immune tricks, likeconfusing your immune system to
think it's had a disease.
You do that a hundred times andyou're shocked that now your
immune system is totallyconfused.
It's attacking your own body.
This is a stupid system.
Maybe, maybe, at some point itmade sense on a couple of super

(57:32):
dangerous illnesses in theirtime, like smallpox, but now
chickenpox, these things that weall had it we know it wasn't a
problem To be vaccinated forthat too.
I think we've just gone off therails and our species is
hanging the balance.
We're in real danger now.
We're so sick.
Our gut biome is beingdestroyed by most of these
products.

(57:52):
We're not able to eat food,we're not able to breathe the
air.
We need a course correctionright away.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Absolutely, and I know I'm just about running up
on your hour here but have youlooked into Section 453 of the
current appropriations bill atall, where they once took away
the vaccine liability but nowthey're trying to shield
chemical and pesticide companiesfrom being sued?
Is that something on your radar?

Speaker 2 (58:17):
It is on my radar.
We've talked about it a lot.
We've, you know, sort of beentrying to look at ways to fight
this in this legislation, butthis shows you the insanity of
the world that we live in.
We know why would they evenneed this.
They need this because they'relosing lawsuits because their
product is causing cancer.
Glyphosate has lost hundreds ofmillions of dollars in lawsuits

(58:39):
and instead of making betterproducts, now they just go to
our government and say protectus from liability.
You're watching in real timeexactly what happened with the
vaccine program and you shouldask yourself should I be
injecting myself with thingsthat went through this same
process, where they take deadlypoisonous toxins and then they
take away liability and sayyou're going to have no recourse

(58:59):
when these hurt you?
This is the world we live in.
This is the problem with thecorrupted governments.
Why I think the vaccine issuehas been so important to me is
because I think it shows howcorrupted our government is and
how much work we need to do toget back to a government of for
and by the people, not of forand by the corporations.
What you're watching with thispesticide bill is a government
that is of for and by thecorporations.

(59:22):
There's another definition forthat, by the way.
A corporate-driven governmentis the original definition of
fascism, and I think that that'swhat we're looking at right now
.
And if we want to stop it,everyone should be calling their
representatives and say if yousign on to giving liability
protection to toxic chemicalsbeing sprayed on our food supply
instead of funding new productsthat find you know that aren't

(59:43):
toxic, and figuring out how wecan do this without poisoning
ourselves, then I will neverelect you and I will tell
everyone I know they should notelect you.
Go to their offices, believe me,you have no idea how much that
matters to them.
I know it feels weird, I knowit feels awkward to walk into a
politician's office, but whenyou do, they know how weird it
is, they know how hard it is andthey make an assumption that

(01:00:06):
there must be thousands of youthat are not courageous enough
to come into the office.
And let me remind you thisbecause I do this all the time
and I was freaked out the firsttime.
I did it in Mississippi when Iwas touring with Vax.
When you go in and sit in thatoffice, you know what you
realize.
Oh my God, this guy was just adentist before he decided to
have this job.
This guy was a gas stationattendant.

(01:00:26):
This one sold used cars and I'mlike, oh my God, I'm nervous to
go in to talk to a used cardealer.
That's who these people are.
They're just regular peoplethat decide to get in government
.
So go in and tell them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
If they want to keep that job, they better not poison
your food supply.
Oh, that's such great advice.
What putting that intoperspective.
You're so right and we shouldget.
I know we have our homeschoolgroups that do this all the time
, so really kind of get all ofus together to do it all
together and take your kidsRight.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
That's exactly what we're talking about, why I'm
here.
My mom dragged me to marches onthe nuclear power plant outside
of Boulder, colorado.
She took me to these things.
She took me to the principal'soffice when the principal didn't
want to let me in the schoolbecause I wasn't vaccinated, and
I watched that argument happenright before my eyes.
Don't shelter your kids fromthese things.
This is their training.

(01:01:16):
This is what they refer to whenthey say you know what?
My mom marched right into theCapitol.
My mom went and talked to thatprincipal and she stood her
ground.
Those are the things thatactually do change the world and
do raise that next generationthat can do better than we did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, that's how I first met you.
Back in January in Albany I hadmy son, six years old, with me
at the Medical Freedom Rally.
It was a little terrifying tohave him there.
There were a few other ralliesgoing on at the time.
My in-laws said I was crazy,but you know what I think he
learned from it.
We toured the Capitol.
We handed our letters in to thecongressman legislature.

(01:01:52):
I don't know, I was publicschooled.
I don't know who's there, but Iwill find out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, you don't know, just
walk in the door, hand in theletter.

Speaker 1 (01:02:02):
All right.
So, as we round out, I think,the last question I'm going to
ask you, dal out of all theinterviews that you've done on
the High Wire, is there anyonethat really stuck with you or
changed the way that you see theworld?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Wow, Nothing really like pops in, as you know, as
sort of standing out.
There are moments where it'sless the person themselves and
more someone that puts thatfinal puzzle piece into a puzzle
that you've been puttingtogether.
And so, you know, one of theinterviews that really locked in

(01:02:35):
a lot of COVID for me was theinterview I did with Scott Atlas
, who was inside the White Houseworking for President Trump
during COVID, and the way hetold the story about Fauci and
Deborah Birx and Robert Redfield, you know, really helped me
understand, like just put somedots together that I was having
difficulty with, and so that'sone that sort of stands out.

(01:02:58):
It was a real bucket list.
But then, you know, I got tointerview Didier Raoult, who was
the first one to talk abouthydroxychloroquine in France and
that buttoned up a whole partof the conversation.
Those are great interviews.
But all along the way, geertvan den Bosch, who I still think
we're watching a lot of what heprophesied would be happening.
Maybe it's taking longer orslower, but we're just seeing

(01:03:20):
all sorts of carnage from thisprocess.
I just feel really honored thaton the high wire, when we
started early on, we were sortof thought to be this radical
anti-vaccine group, but more andmore all of the great
scientists of the world areseeking us out because we're the
only ones that aren't censoringscience and scientific speech.
And so I'm really proud of allof the interviews that we've

(01:03:41):
done throughout COVID andcontinue to do so.
It'd be hard to say that therewas actually a favorite.
I find myself being mind blownevery single week and, to be
clear, what makes Highwire sounique is that we don't really
pre-interview these guests.
I don't go in knowing whattheir perspective is.
That was sort of our goal withmy executive, jen Sherry, who I

(01:04:05):
brought over from CBS with me.
I said I'm tired of really justgetting the interview we
already did.
I would rather we get that firstinterview in front of the
people.
Let's do it live in front ofeverybody and let's discover it
ourselves and let's try to putthis puzzle together while
everyone's watching.
And so I think that that's whatmakes High Wire unique.
That and the fact that half ofthe funding that comes in from

(01:04:27):
people watching goes to sue onthe issues that we think are you
know we're reporting on.
I think that that makes it areally unique process and a
unique show and a uniqueapproach towards advocacy.
So, all in all, I feel blessedwith the job that I have and the
life that we're leading and theprogress that we're seeing and

(01:04:47):
the work that we're doing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Well, I thank you for the interview today and just
the work that you do in general.
I know my life did a total 180after watching your show, but in
a good way, Very thankful forthat.
So thank you for all that youdo and taking the time today to
chat with us and for anybody whowants to check out Del's show,
the High Wire you stream liveevery Thursday at two o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
Eastern one, central, I think 11 am in California,
where the show started,thehighwirecom, and then you can
find everything else that we'redoing from there, our nonprofit
.

Speaker 1 (01:05:20):
I will link that in the show.
You're on Instagram now.
I was screen recording thingsfrom your show over the last
five years until you guys musthave been shadow banned on
Instagram, so you have anaccount now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
We do, so I can just share your stuff.
We'll see how long it lasts.
You know, meta have never beenbig fans.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
But yes, and you're on Rumble, so you can watch it
on Rumble as well, and thewebsite, like the website always
.

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
we built our own streaming player.
Our player is even smoother andmore fun, I think, in many ways
than Rumble or something else,so you can always, no matter
what, go to thehighwirecom andsee the archive of all the shows
.
You can search any topic youwant on there and see what we
talked about.
Awesome.
Thank you, Del.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Thank you and see what we talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
Awesome, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Del, thank you.
Thank you for tuning in to thisweek's episode of the
Homeschool how To.
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