January 29, 2025 • 36 mins
The Human Pop Podcast explores the profound connection between pop culture and our humanity, revealing how entertainment can inspire growth and reflection. In this inaugural episode, LaToya and Andrew share personal anecdotes, discuss their differing perspectives on pop culture, and analyze relationship dynamics showcased in their favorite shows.
• LaToya’s journey through loss and healing via pop culture
• The misconception of pop culture as mere escapism
• Andrew's storytelling approach through nonfiction
• Importance of discussing fandoms and relationships
• Analysis of the representation of marriage in "Outlander"
• The contrast in viewing habits and preferences within their partnership
• Future expectations for engaging guests and thoughtful discussions
About the Host:
LaToya Tucciarone is an avid lover of all things pop culture and has been since she can remember! For her day job, she has been working in the design space for over decade and has been featured on NPR, Forbes, Bon Apetit, HGTV and more. She is the wife of one and the mother of four and her Funko Pop collection rocks!
About the Guest:
Andrew Tucciarone is an award winning commercial director, producer, and entrepreneur with an innovative “Story First” approach and 20 years of experience. A married father of four, dog dad, dual-passport holder, and ultra-marathoner, he brings boundless energy, global perspective, and a flair for adventure to every endeavor.
Follows us on the socials or just one social for now: @thehumanpoppodcast
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Episode Transcript
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LaToya Tucciarone (00:02):
Hey everyone, welcome to the very first
episode of the human pop podcast.
Yeah, we're just getting thisthing started.
I thought I would give you guysa little bit of a background on
why do this Like, why did Ieven start this podcast and why
(00:22):
is it important.
Why do we take the time to makethis happen?
Also, share a little bit ofbackground information on moi,
because for a lot of you, youdon't know who I am.
So my name is LaToya Tucciarone.
I'm a mother of four with myhusband, Andrew, who is going to
be joining me on the show today.
(00:43):
I love pop culture and I wantedto celebrate my love of pop
culture with this podcast.
But even deeper than my love ofpop culture, I truly believe
that there's this misconceptionthat pop culture is just here to
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entertain us and to help usescape.
Now, while I can do both ofthose things, I also believe
that pop culture plays a hugerole in helping us to think
about ourselves and to thinkabout our world.
Sometimes we think about thingsin a good way.
We can learn new things aboutourselves, we can feel good
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about ourselves, we can feelgood about our communities, and
sometimes it makes us thinkabout really hard and
challenging things, but I dobelieve that pop culture has a
beautiful role in helping us tobe better human beings.
Hence the name the human poppodcast.
I can't even say the name of mypodcast, the human pop podcast.
(01:49):
Try saying that five times fast, I dare you.
But yeah, hence the name.
So we're not just going to betalking about how cool pop
culture is, we're also going tobe talking about, again, the
human element and what we canlearn about ourselves as humans.
But let me give you a littlebit about a backstory as to why
(02:11):
this is important to me.
So, as I said, I'm anentrepreneur and I went through
a really difficult time,probably about two years or so
ago, where a business I reallyput my heart and soul into got
ravished by COVID and yeah, andessentially I ended up having to
(02:36):
give up on that dream and itwas very, very hard situation
and, honestly, I found a lot ofsolace in pop culture.
I found a lot of solace inreally getting into different
shows like Stranger Things andgetting into anime and getting
into different films and,although I've always loved these
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things since I was young, theykind of filled this new role for
me.
Honestly, I was too tired toread all the self-help books,
probably too sad and depressedto do it as well.
So watching a show was kind oflike a gateway for me to heal
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and to find laughter and comfortwhen it just seemed like other
things just weren't doing it forme.
It's also when I begancollecting this massive showing
of Funko Pops and I just find itto be so much fun and,
especially since the businessthat I was in had a lot of hard
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aspects to it, it's been reallynice to do something, just
because it's fun and it makes mehappy and that there's a place
for that and that's okay.
So, yeah, so that's really ahuge reason why I wanted to do
this podcast, because I wantedto dig deeper and pay homage to
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what pop culture has meant to meand what it's done for me as a
human being.
Also, doing this podcast is areally great excuse to have fun
conversations with some of thepeople I love the most in this
world.
So I'm going to have my amazinghusband on.
I'm going to have my daughterson, talking about horror and
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being a teenager and how much wejust love to be scared at that
age.
Some of our closest friends.
We're just going to have a lotof fun just talking about really
cool aspects of pop culture andwhat that means to us as human
beings.
(04:50):
Now I also want to clarify whenI say pop culture, I don't mean
what's trendy right now, what ispopular in today's climate, but
really anything that is and hasbeen popular and has shaped
culture in some way, shape orform.
So we're talking art guys.
We're going back to Monet andsome you know episodes, and so
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we're going to go back into thepast, we're going to fast
forward to now and everything inbetween, and we're talking art,
movies, literature, music, allof it.
So I'm super excited to diveinto this with you guys.
I'm super excited to be on thisjourney, super excited to have
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this podcast, to have thisplatform.
I hope it'll be fun for youguys.
I'm super excited to be on thisjourney, super excited to have
this podcast, to have thisplatform.
I hope it'll be fun for youguys to watch.
I really hope it'll be thoughtprovoking.
I hope you guys will learn somenew things about different
shows or music.
Maybe you'll see something in adifferent way that you never
thought about before.
Maybe you will start toexperience pop culture in a more
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thoughtful way where it can gobeyond escapism and beyond
entertainment and really speakto who we are as human beings.
So thank you for being here,thank you for joining the ride,
and I can't wait to continue onwith you guys.
So, with that said and out ofthe way, we are going to begin
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our first episode with myamazing husband, Andrew
Tucciarone, here to join me.
Andrew Tucciarone (06:26):
All right, all right All right, hey, honey,
bye.
And producer, and producer.
Yes, do not forget that veryimportant role, trying to move
from behind the monitors to infront of this very for like 20
uncomfortable microphone but I'mhere, you are.
LaToya Tucciarone (06:43):
Why don't you tell the people a little bit
about yourself?
Andrew Tucciarone (06:45):
okay, well, um, I'm andrew.
I'm latoya's husband, that'show I'm often known uh, the
scowler sometimes, but all thetime her biggest fan and
supporter, yes, yes.
And I think that the best wayto describe me is just I'm a
storyteller and I've used lotsof different modes filmmaking,
(07:07):
photography, writing to try todo that, and I've been blessed
enough to be able to make that acareer.
Not everybody gets to do that.
LaToya Tucciarone (07:16):
He's my sugar daddy right now.
Andrew Tucciarone (07:19):
You know it's a partnership and yeah, Latoya
and I have been married, for wejust passed the 18 year
anniversary, and yeah, that's it.
And you know, I guess, anamateur podcast producer, a role
which I am- pretending to becomplaining about but actually
probably enjoying, because mylittle technical heart is
(07:42):
leaping.
A little nervous about thepodcast because, as we sometimes
say, latoya is like fiction andI'm nonfiction.
LaToya Tucciarone (07:50):
Yes.
Andrew Tucciarone (07:51):
I'm a documentary on the History
Channel with Nazis and she's,you know, anime Metaphorically.
So there's a lot of things tobe said about oftentimes, the
way that we see storytelling andour kind of like free time pop
culture.
But yeah, but a lot.
I have a lot of respect and I'mexcited about the format.
LaToya Tucciarone (08:13):
I think that's what I love the most
about having you on the firstepisode is because we do have
very different relationshipswith pop culture, like what is
exciting and great to you isoften really not exciting and
great to me and vice versa, youknow, but we are proof that you
(08:34):
can be married and have a reallygreat, healthy marriage and
like very different things.
Andrew Tucciarone (08:41):
So, most of the time, most of the time yeah,
we do have some overlap.
LaToya Tucciarone (08:45):
So that's what we're going to be talking
about today.
Um, so for the people, uh, whydon't you let them know what are
some of your earliest memoriesof pop?
Andrew Tucciarone (08:56):
culture.
Wow, earliest memories of popculture.
The thing is, some of theearliest memories that I have of
pop culture are going toliterally be the History Channel
.
Yeah, it's going to be Weatheron the 8th for my dad Weather
Channel yeah.
Watching Weather Channel.
The commercials in our housewere and are muted whenever I
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was growing up, not.
You know, that was a biglearning when we got married was
everyone doesn't mute thecommercials.
There was kind of a shock to me,um and uh, baseball well, you
were a big, you were a bigreader I was a big reader sci-fi
influence, for sure and ofcourse you know, as with any
kids, you know cartoons, gi joe,things like that, but but but
(09:42):
there was never, for the mostpart, I don't ever remember kind
of like being a fan of anythingthat was fiction.
I wasn't, I never was like afan.
Right, star wars come on.
Yeah, yes, definitely a fan,but not like dress up fan right.
LaToya Tucciarone (09:59):
So I think there's different levels of
fandom.
Andrew Tucciarone (10:04):
Well, yeah, but I was a dress-up fan of
history, I would do livinghistories right so so you think
about when I understand fandoms,but my fandoms were not fiction
, they were non-fiction.
So but, but at the same time,yes, star wars, I mean man, but,
but I mean, as for most peoplewho are in my millennial age
(10:25):
bracket, star wars was actuallylike the first times we got our
hearts broken, you know, becausewe, we would love the originals
.
They said they were making moremovies.
It was pre-internet, you know,dial up internet, and then all
of a sudden these things comeout and we want to love them,
but we realize very quickly thatthey are terrible.
(10:47):
I know, and you know, somerevisionist history folks have
come and said episodes one, twoand three right, yes, and it was
, it was, yeah, it was, it wasbreaking our hearts and I think
I don't know deeper.
LaToya Tucciarone (11:02):
I'm gonna stop you there.
Andrew Tucciarone (11:03):
But you were a deeper star wars fan because
you actually read the books yeahbut, back in those days there
was no, there's no canon, so tospeak, so the books were all
over the place right there wasreally no kind of like cohesive
books that were authorized.
So, yes, you were reading books, but was more like reading a
series of like things.
(11:24):
Honestly, it was just fanfiction.
We didn't.
We didn't call it that right,there was no term.
There was no term for that, butearly star wars books were
essentially fan fiction.
Right, because there was noextended universe, it was just
some guy who made star wars and,as with everything in our world
, it became fully monetized.
LaToya Tucciarone (11:44):
And as it became fully monetized, some
things were great and somethings got worse, not so much,
but it seems to me that yourkind of entry point into pop
culture is probably more throughliterature and books.
Sure, you know because I wouldsay you were a big, you read the
Lord of the Rings trilogy whenyou were young and then you
(12:05):
loved Was it James Patterson?
Yeah Books that you read.
So kind of.
I feel like for a lot of kidstheir entry point is typically
television, you know, or film ormaybe comic books, but for you
it was I was a book guy.
Andrew Tucciarone (12:22):
I was a book guy A lot of books, a lot of
different types of books, CSLewis books, yeah, tolkien.
I had a very rich thought lifefrom books, a lot of like
visuals and I don't know, maybethey affected the way that I
tell stories, but I've alwayskind of like heard or read
something and then been like,okay, I see it in my mind very
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clearly and sometimes the visionis not what people actually
make and I don't know.
LaToya Tucciarone (12:51):
I mean, we're not here for a therapy session
but maybe, maybe that's why Idon't love fiction so much,
because it never really matchesmy expectation.
Andrew Tucciarone (12:59):
Interesting, it never really matches what I
was thinking.
On very rare occasions, surebut, typically, if I'm like
someone who's gotten into a book, I I hate watching the movie
because there's it even if it'snot gonna live up to what was in
your head, even if it's amazing, even if it's better than what
was in my head.
Right, I don't the charactersdon't feel the way that I have
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portrayed them in my head right,right, except for jack ryan,
right, you liked that I love theseries, but it and you read the
book.
LaToya Tucciarone (13:28):
Yeah, of course I read the books, but I
they're fine I just don't thinkof them in the same thing.
If I'm watching, even with Lordof the.
Andrew Tucciarone (13:37):
Rings.
I love Lord of the Ringswatching them, but I don't think
of the Lord of the Rings thatI'm watching as the same as the
books.
They're two different worldsfor me.
The books are a completelydifferent world than the actual
movies.
LaToya Tucciarone (13:50):
And I think that's probably the importance
of books is really the imageryis limitless, versus when it
kind of even if the box isamazing and huge and big it's,
it's still a visual box.
Yeah, so it can only go so far.
So, seeing that you are kind ofmore of a factual documentary
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type, how has that shaped yourstorytelling now that you
essentially do it professionally?
Andrew Tucciarone (14:19):
Right.
So most of the work that I dois in the nonfiction space.
Most of what we're doing istelling documentary stories.
You know, I've been reallyblessed to be able to travel
around the world and getting tosee lots of different cultures.
I think for me, the biggestthing is trying to understand.
You know, I always say who arewe talking to, what do we want
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them to know or feel, and thenwhat do we want them to do next?
That's always been my sort ofphilosophy.
Whenever I'm telling stories,whenever I'm actually making a
film and I think, whenever I'mtelling stories, whenever I'm
actually making a film and Ithink, whenever I'm watching
something, even if it's like,especially when it's nonfiction
I'm thinking about where is theperson who made this driving me
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to?
Because no one is ever making apure exploration.
There is no such thing as anunbiased documentary.
Everyone has a point.
LaToya Tucciarone (15:11):
So more documentary telling, would you
say.
There's more of an agenda,would you know nefarious agenda,
right?
Andrew Tucciarone (15:17):
like it could be a film about a guy going to
(15:39):
climb an iceberg in Antarctica,right like the agenda could just
be for you to think thatclimbing icebergs in Antarctica
is really cool and you shouldcontinue to support that work or
that brand or whatever, butit's definitely there's always
some sort of like messaging,right some kind of point of view
(15:59):
that right they're trying toget across and I I do think that
that happens, but oftentimes infiction I think it happens.
Um.
A lot of times it's kind oflike and and maybe for the best
and non-fiction.
It happens as an overflow ofwhere the creator's mind is, as
opposed to intentionally.
(16:19):
I think that's the moreauthentic.
It's more authentic wheneveryour beliefs drive towards your
agenda in your film.
LaToya Tucciarone (16:28):
That then helps people to see and it's not
so like slow you right.
Yes, because yes.
Andrew Tucciarone (16:33):
Because I think the harder you try to push
something into someone's face,the less likely they are to go
for it.
And that's something that I seeall the time.
You know, people are like putin this X thing.
That's like really difficult orhard or painful, and I'm like,
well, you can do that, but thatis not going to be very strong
motivator to your audience right, right, yeah, because it's all
(16:56):
gotta connect, gotta connect.
But hey, let me ask you aquestion oh, oh, okay because
this is your first episode.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:04):
I'm really bad at colloquialisms,
everyone's just.
Let me just say that so if youever hear me saying one, it's
probably gonna going to be wrong, so anyway, continue on Turn
the tables, turn the tables.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:17):
Jesus was flipping the tables.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:18):
Jesus was flipping the tables.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:21):
We're turning tables here.
Oh man, Yep.
So, turning the tables on you.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:25):
Yes.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:26):
This is your first episode.
Yes, what do you?
What are you hoping?
That people will.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:31):
My husband also interviews people
professionally, so that's alsowhat you're experiencing right
now.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:36):
yes, okay, what is it that you hope that
people walk away from this like?
Do you want them to feel likebetter after the episode?
Do you want them to feelinspired?
What?
What's the what do you like?
Speaking to my point of agendas, yeah, what do you want people
to go away with whenever theywalk away from each episode?
LaToya Tucciarone (17:56):
Man, I don't know if there's like one thing
that I want people to walk awaywith from every episode, but the
, but literally the word thatpopped into my head as you were
posing your question.
I was listening what isthoughtful, like I want our
thought provoking.
You know, I want people to walkaway from every episode, maybe
(18:20):
thinking, oh, maybe I hadn'tthought about it like that.
Or, you know, I think even theway that people approach pop
culture is doing it perhaps in amore thoughtful way instead of
just, you know, let me beentertained, which is totally
cool.
And honestly, a lot of popculture probably is just
(18:41):
strictly for entertainment.
I mean, let's, let's be honest,you know every artist and
creator out there isn't tryingto like change the world and
change hearts and minds, youknow.
But I think that I hope theshow kind of just helps people
to kind of take theirexperiences of a particular
piece of pop culture and theysay, oh, let me like think about
(19:03):
that a little bit more, youknow that's kind of my home
tagline.
Yeah.
Andrew Tucciarone (19:09):
Tell me a little bit about what the
tagline is to you.
LaToya Tucciarone (19:12):
Oh my gosh, the tagline.
It's just funny.
I think you know it's pop for ahuman sake.
You know, instead of Christ'ssake, you're going to say human
sake.
I just think.
I just think.
I thought it was clever.
Right, yes, it was clever, butI also think that whether you
meant for it to to be or not.
Andrew Tucciarone (19:34):
I do think that you wanted to get across a
little bit about how there isthis like thread that we can
pull from pop culture thatconnects to our universal
humanity, and I think thatthat's a great way.
The hope is that that'sactually what we're going to
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reveal in the show and hopefullythese guests that we've got on
are going to surprise us.
LaToya Tucciarone (20:02):
Yeah 100%, and I'm here, I'm, I'm, I'm here
for it.
You know, and I think you'reright.
I think that's exactly true.
I think that pop culturereveals universal truths about
our human experience and and Ithink it's such a fun way to to
(20:24):
experience our human-ness youknow it doesn't have to be super
hard or super deep, but like,what can I learn from an anime
show?
or what can I learn from analbum or a piece of music?
You know, I just think it's afun kind of spin on our
collective humanness, theuniversal experience, and, yeah,
(20:47):
so excited to see what ourguests are going to bring.
And speaking of that, you know,just talking to the audience,
letting you know like the formatof the show is just going to be
us talking and bantering.
I don't really even give theguest questions ahead of time,
so really each episode is kindof a mystery.
Andrew Tucciarone (21:08):
But with general subject matters.
LaToya Tucciarone (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, everyone gets to choose the,
the, what they want to talkabout.
I do not force it upon them, um, and we'll talk about some
things in generalities, but whatI love about is it's just kind
of like we're just like divingand excavating together, um, to
see what we come up with, and Ijust think that's exciting.
(21:30):
You know, know, definitely isexciting, unscripted, if you
will, is the kind of the waywe're rolling with this
Unscripted but not unguided.
Oh right, yes, I don't know, Iam the guide.
Andrew Tucciarone (21:42):
You are the guide, the Obi-Wan, if you will
Cool.
Well, I, I don't know, as a youknow, even if I wasn't pushing
the buttons, I would still beexcited to see what you've got
to say.
LaToya Tucciarone (21:53):
Oh, you're so sweet.
I mean, you know he's a keeper,I gotta be.
Andrew Tucciarone (21:56):
What can I say?
LaToya Tucciarone (21:58):
Except when we try to watch shows together.
Andrew Tucciarone (22:01):
Right, so let's dive into it, let's dive
into that, let's dive into thatbefore we let them move on to an
episode with a more interestingperson than your producer, oh,
stop, you're super interesting.
LaToya Tucciarone (22:11):
Okay, fine, I wouldn't have married you
otherwise, right right, becauseanyone who loves pop culture
knows that money makes the worldgo round.
Andrew Tucciarone (22:21):
Listen to these ads.
All right.
So shows for me.
If I watch shows, yes, a lot oftimes it's me time.
Yes, I'm kind of like a showsare me time.
I'm like unplugged, it's justme, yeah, um, traditionally we
have had a hard time choosingshows that we can watch together
(22:42):
right because of thetraditional couple dynamics of
like oh, did you watch itwithout me?
LaToya Tucciarone (22:49):
Oh, I don't want to watch the show tonight.
You want to watch the showtonight.
He's like watching his showsfor his me time and I'm over
having fantasies of like Netflixand chilling with my husband as
a lot of couples do.
Andrew Tucciarone (23:02):
So, yes, and I'm more just like chilling and
Netflix.
LaToya Tucciarone (23:07):
You are just chilling alone and Netflix yeah.
Andrew Tucciarone (23:11):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, I mean, it iswhat it is.
No, I think it's cool.
We have a couple of shows thatwe like.
LaToya Tucciarone (23:17):
Yeah, we do, we have.
We have definitely had to.
I would say, give and take inour relationship and I think
it's been a good exercise inmarriage, because marriage is
literally giving and taking, andwhat we consume is no different
.
So there have been times whereI had to step into your world,
(23:40):
masters of the Air, and try tojust get it get through it, you
didn't though.
I got through what threeepisodes?
Andrew Tucciarone (23:50):
Three episodes I got through three and
they were long.
LaToya Tucciarone (23:53):
They were like hour long episodes.
Andrew Tucciarone (23:55):
I'm sorry, they could have made a hundred
episodes.
That was like I would havewatched every single one I
watched like a movie for you.
Yeah, that's a movie and theywere each amazing.
LaToya Tucciarone (24:05):
So, yeah, and then I would say, honestly, you
stepped into my world with theseries we're going to talk about
, which is Outlander.
I think it took some.
It took some convincing.
I mean, I literally had to likelay out a case of.
I was like honey, it's likeright.
(24:26):
It's like a good mix of historyyou know, and fiction.
It's like both of us togetherand um and sure enough you came
on over and um.
So it's been one of those showsthat we've been able to enjoy
together we still gotta finishit though we do still have to
(24:46):
finish it I think it's in thelast season, I think now with
the kids and it's just hard.
It's hard to also find the timeto want to sit down, both
together and while and it's notreally the kind of show you can
watch with the kids in the house.
Andrew Tucciarone (25:02):
So yeah, so that makes it a little more
complicated.
But yeah, I mean, you're right,it was.
You know it wasn't hard work.
LaToya Tucciarone (25:12):
It's a great show, it's very I'm saying
initially though Initially youhad to kind of dip your toe I
had to warm up to it.
Yeah, you had to warm up, but Imean it was.
Andrew Tucciarone (25:20):
I mean it's great, great show.
A lot of violence, a lot ofhistory.
Yeah, I mean a lot of timetravel uh, spoiler alert, I
guess I mean, it's not really aspoiler alert.
I guess it's kind of the onlythe whole premise.
Yes, yes here's one of the bigissues that I have with the show
.
I mean, I know we're nottalking about issues, but man,
those are the best looking like55 year olds of all times the
(25:45):
time they're like really tryingto get us to the revolutionary
war in that show.
Yeah, you know, just for peoplewho don't know, the show kind of
starts in like the early 17teens essentially in scotland,
yeah and by the final seasonthey're in america.
Yeah, and the actors ages areprobably in their like 30s and
(26:08):
40s, but the characters ages aresomehow in their like 50s and
60s, late 50s, 60s, yeah andthey basically are just like oh,
let's put a little gray, andthey're both super hot, right,
let's just put a little bit gray, let's put a little bit gray in
the hair, yeah, and everyepisode is like man.
It's miserable to live incolonial america, but yet
somehow we are the sexiestpeople alive and look amazing.
(26:31):
So yeah, I mean, you know,obviously he's eating a lot more
protein than most men, I guessprobably would be.
LaToya Tucciarone (26:39):
Yeah, in that time you throw in that axe
around.
Andrew Tucciarone (26:43):
So you know, I take a little bit away from
that.
If I can look like Jamie whenI'm, you know, 60, then you know
.
LaToya Tucciarone (26:49):
Hashtag goals .
Andrew Tucciarone (26:50):
Goals.
But yeah, no, I mean great showA lot of, I think, for me.
I actually would say that someof my most enjoyable books when
I was transitioning from sort offiction to not fiction were
historical fiction books booksthat basically would take a time
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and a place and then they wouldtry to actually make that time
and place, but with fictionalcharacters, right, which I have
enjoyed that in pop culture Ifeel like that's a good way for
people like me to learn abouthistory yeah, for sure.
I sure I was like what is aJacobite?
I don't know what a Jacobite is.
LaToya Tucciarone (27:29):
Oh, jamie was a Jacobite.
You know Like it's a great wayto.
It's a fun way to learn history.
If you're not, like I'm goingto sit down and read a book
about, you know, the Scottishrebellion.
Andrew Tucciarone (27:38):
And some of those time periods have amazing
you know things to teach us,justin, today.
So I don't know.
Yeah, I think those are kind oflike the things that are the
most enjoyable, and then alsokind of like as a person who
sees myself as somebody who'spretty capable, just like period
I love, like I love thatwhenever he's just like goes and
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like builds a cabin in thewoods, I'm just like I could do
that Like if I was living backin those times.
I would absolutely be.
I would absolutely be, youwould crush, I would absolutely
be splitting logs and buildingcabins and you know slapping,
you know vassals who are notlistening and paying taxes like
I'm there every single one ofthose things oh man, so you're
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kind of living vicariously.
LaToya Tucciarone (28:22):
Uh, a little bit, a little bit.
Andrew Tucciarone (28:24):
Totally, yes, not Roger, no good god, not
whiny, not poor whiny Roger Iwould.
LaToya Tucciarone (28:32):
I know I mean , but to be fair, he's probably
one of the most realisticabsolutely characters, because
I'm like, I'm sorry, but mostpeople like Claire don't really
adapt quite as well from beingtaken from like a modern world
to the 17, 18 hundreds.
If this was real.
Andrew Tucciarone (28:52):
Claire is dead in the first 20 minutes of
the show Right.
The first time she looks atsomebody and talks back done
Right, right, right, she's awitch, burn her, she's done so
yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:02):
Yeah, roger is a lot more.
They did try to burn her.
Andrew Tucciarone (29:06):
Yeah, that's true roger is a lot more like
realistic because he's a lotweaker and we're very weak and
soft, so a lot of us wouldstruggle to survive right in
that time.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:16):
So I do, I do appreciate roger's character,
for, you know, giving a little,a little bit of a balance there
to how people would really react, yeah, I mean you know those
types of situations yeah, he's,uh, yeah, he, and you know he's
making it.
Andrew Tucciarone (29:31):
So yeah, I mean he's like.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:33):
I'd also like to go back home right, he's
also one of the most honest inthat sense he's like this is
cool, this is great, but I thinkI would probably be the same.
Andrew Tucciarone (29:43):
I would be like this is fun.
Yeah, I'm really glad that Ihad my like living history year
yeah, there you go.
Yeah, I don't you know I wantto have a toilet.
Yeah, I like McDonald's yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:56):
I mean yeah well, one aspect of the show
that I also love.
So I watched the show withoutAndrew and then kind of went
back and we watched it togetherand one of the things I think I
loved about it, that I thoughtmade it really special that you
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do not see often in televisionat all is just a healthy,
functioning marriage.
Sure, you know there is a lotof sex in this show 100 sorry,
children.
You know there is.
We're not going to get allgraphic about it, but there is,
you know.
But then you remember oh, thesepeople are actually like
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married and it's a very healthyexpression of marriage and
they're also like teamwork, youknow, like they just function so
well together.
They're in it for the long hauland I just feel like you just
don't get very healthy picturesof a marriage like that anymore
Right.
Andrew Tucciarone (31:01):
It definitely sometimes can seem like in
portrayals of marriage on TVyou've either got the like super
dysfunctional comedic marriagesor you've got marriages that
work, but they seem like dreammarriages where, like, each
partner is just like constantlymaking the other person happy
all the time, right, and Idefinitely think that in this
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show, the marriage, there's alot of times where they really
piss each other off right like alot of rates and claire,
running off all the time.
LaToya Tucciarone (31:31):
Right go like where are you going?
Claire?
Why are you getting?
Andrew Tucciarone (31:35):
captured one more time.
I mean literally, it's justconstant.
And then her daughter gettingcaptured, just do it like that's
just what they do is getcaptured.
But I think, yeah, and I thinkthat, like sometimes jamie makes
these super stupid, bullheadeddecisions and oftentimes, even
(31:56):
if she's frustrated, they givetheir space yeah their space to,
like, become the person thatthey are.
Yeah, and even though he has,honestly, almost no framework to
understand where she's comingfrom, because obviously where
she's coming from is hundreds ofyears different he still tries
and.
I think for me well, it's trust.
LaToya Tucciarone (32:15):
There's a lot of trust in their relationship,
yeah, trust in a relationshipwhich, for us, you know has been
a big part of our story, Right.
Andrew Tucciarone (32:25):
And respect, trust, respect to understand
when the other person's doingsomething to support it.
LaToya Tucciarone (32:33):
so, yeah, yeah, and when you don't always
understand to to trust, you know.
I love how, like Jamie willrefer to Claire when he's like
well, like what's gonna happen,and it might sound crazy to him
because, again, like you said,he has no context for what she
knows, but he justwholeheartedly trust her and I
(32:54):
love that.
They kind of like are not thecenter of each other's universes
, right, but they um, developother things yeah.
Like they kind of have liketheir own thing going on um
together.
They're both smart together,but they both support each other
for and they're able to beindependent of each other and
(33:17):
still be capable and functionalright.
Andrew Tucciarone (33:20):
because really I think in a marriage
each partner is not always goingto be able to push equally to
the partnership Right.
So there are times when you'vegot to learn how to be
independent together if thatmakes any sense.
LaToya Tucciarone (33:33):
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a dichotomy and
they've saved each other, right?
You know too?
Andrew Tucciarone (33:40):
Physically and mentally.
LaToya Tucciarone (33:42):
Yeah, physically and mentally, and I
think that there's justsomething also really beautiful
about Claire not being likeJamie why are you always trying
to see me all the time?
Or being insecure about him?
You know being manly and strongand having to rescue her, and
she's able to receive his help.
(34:03):
But, at the same time, he'sable to receive her help when
he's sick or wounded and she cancare for him and he's not like
no, I need to be a man like suckit up Right.
Andrew Tucciarone (34:15):
I mean to be fair.
Most of the time he's likepassed out, because he's like
literally dying.
Yeah, oh, Jamie.
LaToya Tucciarone (34:22):
Oh Jamie, Take this medicine I've made for
you.
From tree bark, yeah, which isalso just hilarious, but it's, I
just think their theirrelationship, I think, is very
cool and very, very rare to seeyou know it doesn't feel
rom-commy or like straight outof a freaking.
(34:46):
I mean sometimes it feels likeit's out of a romance novel.
I mean it gets steamy, you know.
But I think it's balanced bythis healthy respect and then
seeing them age together yeah, Imean as well, so to speak yeah,
so yeah, they're sexy aging.
Um, I think is is really cool.
Yeah too.
So I think it's been a good,it's been a good, it's been a
(35:08):
good ride.
It's been a good ride and we'llsee.
Andrew Tucciarone (35:11):
Hopefully the last season will disappoint us.
LaToya Tucciarone (35:13):
So, yeah, I think it's been a really good
show for us and I mean we'regoing to go into the last season
together, Hopeful it won't letus down.
Let's see how they land.
Andrew Tucciarone (35:24):
Not every show has done that, the bear
definitely brutal.
LaToya Tucciarone (35:27):
No, no, a lot .
There's a lot of shows thatdon't know how to land the plane
, but I'm going to learn how toland the plane on this podcast.
Andrew Tucciarone (35:35):
I know you are my very first one ever.
LaToya Tucciarone (35:40):
I'm landing, we're coming down, we're
descending.
So thank you all for joining usfor the first one.
Thank you, andrew, for beinghere and talking to me about pop
culture.
This is essentially what youguys can expect from you know.
Future episodes.
I think it's going to be a lotof fun and, again, so excited to
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have you guys here, and I willcatch you on the next one On the
flip side.
Right, I said it right, this isthe Human Pop Podcast.
It's pop for humans' sake.
And I will catch you on thenext one On the flip side.
Right, I said it right, this isthe Human Pop Podcast.
No-transcript.
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Our little funko pops of claireand of she's to stand up and of
Jamie.
So, whenever I can on the show,if I have a Funko Pop that will
relate to what we're talkingabout, I'm going to show it
because you know I think they'regreat.
Andrew Tucciarone (41:40):
So yeah, continue, I mean and honestly
yeah.
Hey everyone, welcome to the very first
episode of the human pop podcast.
Yeah, we're just getting thisthing started.
I thought I would give you guysa little bit of a background on
why do this Like, why did Ieven start this podcast and why
(00:22):
is it important.
Why do we take the time to makethis happen?
Also, share a little bit ofbackground information on moi,
because for a lot of you, youdon't know who I am.
So my name is LaToya Tucciarone.
I'm a mother of four with myhusband, Andrew, who is going to
be joining me on the show today.
(00:43):
I love pop culture and I wantedto celebrate my love of pop
culture with this podcast.
But even deeper than my love ofpop culture, I truly believe
that there's this misconceptionthat pop culture is just here to
(01:05):
entertain us and to help usescape.
Now, while I can do both ofthose things, I also believe
that pop culture plays a hugerole in helping us to think
about ourselves and to thinkabout our world.
Sometimes we think about thingsin a good way.
We can learn new things aboutourselves, we can feel good
(01:26):
about ourselves, we can feelgood about our communities, and
sometimes it makes us thinkabout really hard and
challenging things, but I dobelieve that pop culture has a
beautiful role in helping us tobe better human beings.
Hence the name the human poppodcast.
I can't even say the name of mypodcast, the human pop podcast.
(01:49):
Try saying that five times fast, I dare you.
But yeah, hence the name.
So we're not just going to betalking about how cool pop
culture is, we're also going tobe talking about, again, the
human element and what we canlearn about ourselves as humans.
But let me give you a littlebit about a backstory as to why
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this is important to me.
So, as I said, I'm anentrepreneur and I went through
a really difficult time,probably about two years or so
ago, where a business I reallyput my heart and soul into got
ravished by COVID and yeah, andessentially I ended up having to
(02:36):
give up on that dream and itwas very, very hard situation
and, honestly, I found a lot ofsolace in pop culture.
I found a lot of solace inreally getting into different
shows like Stranger Things andgetting into anime and getting
into different films and,although I've always loved these
(02:59):
things since I was young, theykind of filled this new role for
me.
Honestly, I was too tired toread all the self-help books,
probably too sad and depressedto do it as well.
So watching a show was kind oflike a gateway for me to heal
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and to find laughter and comfortwhen it just seemed like other
things just weren't doing it forme.
It's also when I begancollecting this massive showing
of Funko Pops and I just find itto be so much fun and,
especially since the businessthat I was in had a lot of hard
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aspects to it, it's been reallynice to do something, just
because it's fun and it makes mehappy and that there's a place
for that and that's okay.
So, yeah, so that's really ahuge reason why I wanted to do
this podcast, because I wantedto dig deeper and pay homage to
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what pop culture has meant to meand what it's done for me as a
human being.
Also, doing this podcast is areally great excuse to have fun
conversations with some of thepeople I love the most in this
world.
So I'm going to have my amazinghusband on.
I'm going to have my daughterson, talking about horror and
(04:28):
being a teenager and how much wejust love to be scared at that
age.
Some of our closest friends.
We're just going to have a lotof fun just talking about really
cool aspects of pop culture andwhat that means to us as human
beings.
(04:50):
Now I also want to clarify whenI say pop culture, I don't mean
what's trendy right now, what ispopular in today's climate, but
really anything that is and hasbeen popular and has shaped
culture in some way, shape orform.
So we're talking art guys.
We're going back to Monet andsome you know episodes, and so
(05:11):
we're going to go back into thepast, we're going to fast
forward to now and everything inbetween, and we're talking art,
movies, literature, music, allof it.
So I'm super excited to diveinto this with you guys.
I'm super excited to be on thisjourney, super excited to have
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this podcast, to have thisplatform.
I hope it'll be fun for youguys.
I'm super excited to be on thisjourney, super excited to have
this podcast, to have thisplatform.
I hope it'll be fun for youguys to watch.
I really hope it'll be thoughtprovoking.
I hope you guys will learn somenew things about different
shows or music.
Maybe you'll see something in adifferent way that you never
thought about before.
Maybe you will start toexperience pop culture in a more
(05:56):
thoughtful way where it can gobeyond escapism and beyond
entertainment and really speakto who we are as human beings.
So thank you for being here,thank you for joining the ride,
and I can't wait to continue onwith you guys.
So, with that said and out ofthe way, we are going to begin
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our first episode with myamazing husband, Andrew
Tucciarone, here to join me.
Andrew Tucciarone (06:26):
All right, all right All right, hey, honey,
bye.
And producer, and producer.
Yes, do not forget that veryimportant role, trying to move
from behind the monitors to infront of this very for like 20
uncomfortable microphone but I'mhere, you are.
LaToya Tucciarone (06:43):
Why don't you tell the people a little bit
about yourself?
Andrew Tucciarone (06:45):
okay, well, um, I'm andrew.
I'm latoya's husband, that'show I'm often known uh, the
scowler sometimes, but all thetime her biggest fan and
supporter, yes, yes.
And I think that the best wayto describe me is just I'm a
storyteller and I've used lotsof different modes filmmaking,
(07:07):
photography, writing to try todo that, and I've been blessed
enough to be able to make that acareer.
Not everybody gets to do that.
LaToya Tucciarone (07:16):
He's my sugar daddy right now.
Andrew Tucciarone (07:19):
You know it's a partnership and yeah, Latoya
and I have been married, for wejust passed the 18 year
anniversary, and yeah, that's it.
And you know, I guess, anamateur podcast producer, a role
which I am- pretending to becomplaining about but actually
probably enjoying, because mylittle technical heart is
(07:42):
leaping.
A little nervous about thepodcast because, as we sometimes
say, latoya is like fiction andI'm nonfiction.
LaToya Tucciarone (07:50):
Yes.
Andrew Tucciarone (07:51):
I'm a documentary on the History
Channel with Nazis and she's,you know, anime Metaphorically.
So there's a lot of things tobe said about oftentimes, the
way that we see storytelling andour kind of like free time pop
culture.
But yeah, but a lot.
I have a lot of respect and I'mexcited about the format.
LaToya Tucciarone (08:13):
I think that's what I love the most
about having you on the firstepisode is because we do have
very different relationshipswith pop culture, like what is
exciting and great to you isoften really not exciting and
great to me and vice versa, youknow, but we are proof that you
(08:34):
can be married and have a reallygreat, healthy marriage and
like very different things.
Andrew Tucciarone (08:41):
So, most of the time, most of the time yeah,
we do have some overlap.
LaToya Tucciarone (08:45):
So that's what we're going to be talking
about today.
Um, so for the people, uh, whydon't you let them know what are
some of your earliest memoriesof pop?
Andrew Tucciarone (08:56):
culture.
Wow, earliest memories of popculture.
The thing is, some of theearliest memories that I have of
pop culture are going toliterally be the History Channel
.
Yeah, it's going to be Weatheron the 8th for my dad Weather
Channel yeah.
Watching Weather Channel.
The commercials in our housewere and are muted whenever I
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was growing up, not.
You know, that was a biglearning when we got married was
everyone doesn't mute thecommercials.
There was kind of a shock to me,um and uh, baseball well, you
were a big, you were a bigreader I was a big reader sci-fi
influence, for sure and ofcourse you know, as with any
kids, you know cartoons, gi joe,things like that, but but but
(09:42):
there was never, for the mostpart, I don't ever remember kind
of like being a fan of anythingthat was fiction.
I wasn't, I never was like afan.
Right, star wars come on.
Yeah, yes, definitely a fan,but not like dress up fan right.
LaToya Tucciarone (09:59):
So I think there's different levels of
fandom.
Andrew Tucciarone (10:04):
Well, yeah, but I was a dress-up fan of
history, I would do livinghistories right so so you think
about when I understand fandoms,but my fandoms were not fiction
, they were non-fiction.
So but, but at the same time,yes, star wars, I mean man, but,
but I mean, as for most peoplewho are in my millennial age
(10:25):
bracket, star wars was actuallylike the first times we got our
hearts broken, you know, becausewe, we would love the originals
.
They said they were making moremovies.
It was pre-internet, you know,dial up internet, and then all
of a sudden these things comeout and we want to love them,
but we realize very quickly thatthey are terrible.
(10:47):
I know, and you know, somerevisionist history folks have
come and said episodes one, twoand three right, yes, and it was
, it was, yeah, it was, it wasbreaking our hearts and I think
I don't know deeper.
LaToya Tucciarone (11:02):
I'm gonna stop you there.
Andrew Tucciarone (11:03):
But you were a deeper star wars fan because
you actually read the books yeahbut, back in those days there
was no, there's no canon, so tospeak, so the books were all
over the place right there wasreally no kind of like cohesive
books that were authorized.
So, yes, you were reading books, but was more like reading a
series of like things.
(11:24):
Honestly, it was just fanfiction.
We didn't.
We didn't call it that right,there was no term.
There was no term for that, butearly star wars books were
essentially fan fiction.
Right, because there was noextended universe, it was just
some guy who made star wars and,as with everything in our world
, it became fully monetized.
LaToya Tucciarone (11:44):
And as it became fully monetized, some
things were great and somethings got worse, not so much,
but it seems to me that yourkind of entry point into pop
culture is probably more throughliterature and books.
Sure, you know because I wouldsay you were a big, you read the
Lord of the Rings trilogy whenyou were young and then you
(12:05):
loved Was it James Patterson?
Yeah Books that you read.
So kind of.
I feel like for a lot of kidstheir entry point is typically
television, you know, or film ormaybe comic books, but for you
it was I was a book guy.
Andrew Tucciarone (12:22):
I was a book guy A lot of books, a lot of
different types of books, CSLewis books, yeah, tolkien.
I had a very rich thought lifefrom books, a lot of like
visuals and I don't know, maybethey affected the way that I
tell stories, but I've alwayskind of like heard or read
something and then been like,okay, I see it in my mind very
(12:45):
clearly and sometimes the visionis not what people actually
make and I don't know.
LaToya Tucciarone (12:51):
I mean, we're not here for a therapy session
but maybe, maybe that's why Idon't love fiction so much,
because it never really matchesmy expectation.
Andrew Tucciarone (12:59):
Interesting, it never really matches what I
was thinking.
On very rare occasions, surebut, typically, if I'm like
someone who's gotten into a book, I I hate watching the movie
because there's it even if it'snot gonna live up to what was in
your head, even if it's amazing, even if it's better than what
was in my head.
Right, I don't the charactersdon't feel the way that I have
(13:20):
portrayed them in my head right,right, except for jack ryan,
right, you liked that I love theseries, but it and you read the
book.
LaToya Tucciarone (13:28):
Yeah, of course I read the books, but I
they're fine I just don't thinkof them in the same thing.
If I'm watching, even with Lordof the.
Andrew Tucciarone (13:37):
Rings.
I love Lord of the Ringswatching them, but I don't think
of the Lord of the Rings thatI'm watching as the same as the
books.
They're two different worldsfor me.
The books are a completelydifferent world than the actual
movies.
LaToya Tucciarone (13:50):
And I think that's probably the importance
of books is really the imageryis limitless, versus when it
kind of even if the box isamazing and huge and big it's,
it's still a visual box.
Yeah, so it can only go so far.
So, seeing that you are kind ofmore of a factual documentary
(14:12):
type, how has that shaped yourstorytelling now that you
essentially do it professionally?
Andrew Tucciarone (14:19):
Right.
So most of the work that I dois in the nonfiction space.
Most of what we're doing istelling documentary stories.
You know, I've been reallyblessed to be able to travel
around the world and getting tosee lots of different cultures.
I think for me, the biggestthing is trying to understand.
You know, I always say who arewe talking to, what do we want
(14:42):
them to know or feel, and thenwhat do we want them to do next?
That's always been my sort ofphilosophy.
Whenever I'm telling stories,whenever I'm actually making a
film and I think, whenever I'mtelling stories, whenever I'm
actually making a film and Ithink, whenever I'm watching
something, even if it's like,especially when it's nonfiction
I'm thinking about where is theperson who made this driving me
(15:03):
to?
Because no one is ever making apure exploration.
There is no such thing as anunbiased documentary.
Everyone has a point.
LaToya Tucciarone (15:11):
So more documentary telling, would you
say.
There's more of an agenda,would you know nefarious agenda,
right?
Andrew Tucciarone (15:17):
like it could be a film about a guy going to
(15:39):
climb an iceberg in Antarctica,right like the agenda could just
be for you to think thatclimbing icebergs in Antarctica
is really cool and you shouldcontinue to support that work or
that brand or whatever, butit's definitely there's always
some sort of like messaging,right some kind of point of view
(15:59):
that right they're trying toget across and I I do think that
that happens, but oftentimes infiction I think it happens.
Um.
A lot of times it's kind oflike and and maybe for the best
and non-fiction.
It happens as an overflow ofwhere the creator's mind is, as
opposed to intentionally.
(16:19):
I think that's the moreauthentic.
It's more authentic wheneveryour beliefs drive towards your
agenda in your film.
LaToya Tucciarone (16:28):
That then helps people to see and it's not
so like slow you right.
Yes, because yes.
Andrew Tucciarone (16:33):
Because I think the harder you try to push
something into someone's face,the less likely they are to go
for it.
And that's something that I seeall the time.
You know, people are like putin this X thing.
That's like really difficult orhard or painful, and I'm like,
well, you can do that, but thatis not going to be very strong
motivator to your audience right, right, yeah, because it's all
(16:56):
gotta connect, gotta connect.
But hey, let me ask you aquestion oh, oh, okay because
this is your first episode.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:04):
I'm really bad at colloquialisms,
everyone's just.
Let me just say that so if youever hear me saying one, it's
probably gonna going to be wrong, so anyway, continue on Turn
the tables, turn the tables.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:17):
Jesus was flipping the tables.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:18):
Jesus was flipping the tables.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:21):
We're turning tables here.
Oh man, Yep.
So, turning the tables on you.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:25):
Yes.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:26):
This is your first episode.
Yes, what do you?
What are you hoping?
That people will.
LaToya Tucciarone (17:31):
My husband also interviews people
professionally, so that's alsowhat you're experiencing right
now.
Andrew Tucciarone (17:36):
yes, okay, what is it that you hope that
people walk away from this like?
Do you want them to feel likebetter after the episode?
Do you want them to feelinspired?
What?
What's the what do you like?
Speaking to my point of agendas, yeah, what do you want people
to go away with whenever theywalk away from each episode?
LaToya Tucciarone (17:56):
Man, I don't know if there's like one thing
that I want people to walk awaywith from every episode, but the
, but literally the word thatpopped into my head as you were
posing your question.
I was listening what isthoughtful, like I want our
thought provoking.
You know, I want people to walkaway from every episode, maybe
(18:20):
thinking, oh, maybe I hadn'tthought about it like that.
Or, you know, I think even theway that people approach pop
culture is doing it perhaps in amore thoughtful way instead of
just, you know, let me beentertained, which is totally
cool.
And honestly, a lot of popculture probably is just
(18:41):
strictly for entertainment.
I mean, let's, let's be honest,you know every artist and
creator out there isn't tryingto like change the world and
change hearts and minds, youknow.
But I think that I hope theshow kind of just helps people
to kind of take theirexperiences of a particular
piece of pop culture and theysay, oh, let me like think about
(19:03):
that a little bit more, youknow that's kind of my home
tagline.
Yeah.
Andrew Tucciarone (19:09):
Tell me a little bit about what the
tagline is to you.
LaToya Tucciarone (19:12):
Oh my gosh, the tagline.
It's just funny.
I think you know it's pop for ahuman sake.
You know, instead of Christ'ssake, you're going to say human
sake.
I just think.
I just think.
I thought it was clever.
Right, yes, it was clever, butI also think that whether you
meant for it to to be or not.
Andrew Tucciarone (19:34):
I do think that you wanted to get across a
little bit about how there isthis like thread that we can
pull from pop culture thatconnects to our universal
humanity, and I think thatthat's a great way.
The hope is that that'sactually what we're going to
(19:55):
reveal in the show and hopefullythese guests that we've got on
are going to surprise us.
LaToya Tucciarone (20:02):
Yeah 100%, and I'm here, I'm, I'm, I'm here
for it.
You know, and I think you'reright.
I think that's exactly true.
I think that pop culturereveals universal truths about
our human experience and and Ithink it's such a fun way to to
(20:24):
experience our human-ness youknow it doesn't have to be super
hard or super deep, but like,what can I learn from an anime
show?
or what can I learn from analbum or a piece of music?
You know, I just think it's afun kind of spin on our
collective humanness, theuniversal experience, and, yeah,
(20:47):
so excited to see what ourguests are going to bring.
And speaking of that, you know,just talking to the audience,
letting you know like the formatof the show is just going to be
us talking and bantering.
I don't really even give theguest questions ahead of time,
so really each episode is kindof a mystery.
Andrew Tucciarone (21:08):
But with general subject matters.
LaToya Tucciarone (21:10):
Yeah, I mean, everyone gets to choose the,
the, what they want to talkabout.
I do not force it upon them, um, and we'll talk about some
things in generalities, but whatI love about is it's just kind
of like we're just like divingand excavating together, um, to
see what we come up with, and Ijust think that's exciting.
(21:30):
You know, know, definitely isexciting, unscripted, if you
will, is the kind of the waywe're rolling with this
Unscripted but not unguided.
Oh right, yes, I don't know, Iam the guide.
Andrew Tucciarone (21:42):
You are the guide, the Obi-Wan, if you will
Cool.
Well, I, I don't know, as a youknow, even if I wasn't pushing
the buttons, I would still beexcited to see what you've got
to say.
LaToya Tucciarone (21:53):
Oh, you're so sweet.
I mean, you know he's a keeper,I gotta be.
Andrew Tucciarone (21:56):
What can I say?
LaToya Tucciarone (21:58):
Except when we try to watch shows together.
Andrew Tucciarone (22:01):
Right, so let's dive into it, let's dive
into that, let's dive into thatbefore we let them move on to an
episode with a more interestingperson than your producer, oh,
stop, you're super interesting.
LaToya Tucciarone (22:11):
Okay, fine, I wouldn't have married you
otherwise, right right, becauseanyone who loves pop culture
knows that money makes the worldgo round.
Andrew Tucciarone (22:21):
Listen to these ads.
All right.
So shows for me.
If I watch shows, yes, a lot oftimes it's me time.
Yes, I'm kind of like a showsare me time.
I'm like unplugged, it's justme, yeah, um, traditionally we
have had a hard time choosingshows that we can watch together
(22:42):
right because of thetraditional couple dynamics of
like oh, did you watch itwithout me?
LaToya Tucciarone (22:49):
Oh, I don't want to watch the show tonight.
You want to watch the showtonight.
He's like watching his showsfor his me time and I'm over
having fantasies of like Netflixand chilling with my husband as
a lot of couples do.
Andrew Tucciarone (23:02):
So, yes, and I'm more just like chilling and
Netflix.
LaToya Tucciarone (23:07):
You are just chilling alone and Netflix yeah.
Andrew Tucciarone (23:11):
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know, I mean, it iswhat it is.
No, I think it's cool.
We have a couple of shows thatwe like.
LaToya Tucciarone (23:17):
Yeah, we do, we have.
We have definitely had to.
I would say, give and take inour relationship and I think
it's been a good exercise inmarriage, because marriage is
literally giving and taking, andwhat we consume is no different
.
So there have been times whereI had to step into your world,
(23:40):
masters of the Air, and try tojust get it get through it, you
didn't though.
I got through what threeepisodes?
Andrew Tucciarone (23:50):
Three episodes I got through three and
they were long.
LaToya Tucciarone (23:53):
They were like hour long episodes.
Andrew Tucciarone (23:55):
I'm sorry, they could have made a hundred
episodes.
That was like I would havewatched every single one I
watched like a movie for you.
Yeah, that's a movie and theywere each amazing.
LaToya Tucciarone (24:05):
So, yeah, and then I would say, honestly, you
stepped into my world with theseries we're going to talk about
, which is Outlander.
I think it took some.
It took some convincing.
I mean, I literally had to likelay out a case of.
I was like honey, it's likeright.
(24:26):
It's like a good mix of historyyou know, and fiction.
It's like both of us togetherand um and sure enough you came
on over and um.
So it's been one of those showsthat we've been able to enjoy
together we still gotta finishit though we do still have to
(24:46):
finish it I think it's in thelast season, I think now with
the kids and it's just hard.
It's hard to also find the timeto want to sit down, both
together and while and it's notreally the kind of show you can
watch with the kids in the house.
Andrew Tucciarone (25:02):
So yeah, so that makes it a little more
complicated.
But yeah, I mean, you're right,it was.
You know it wasn't hard work.
LaToya Tucciarone (25:12):
It's a great show, it's very I'm saying
initially though Initially youhad to kind of dip your toe I
had to warm up to it.
Yeah, you had to warm up, but Imean it was.
Andrew Tucciarone (25:20):
I mean it's great, great show.
A lot of violence, a lot ofhistory.
Yeah, I mean a lot of timetravel uh, spoiler alert, I
guess I mean, it's not really aspoiler alert.
I guess it's kind of the onlythe whole premise.
Yes, yes here's one of the bigissues that I have with the show
.
I mean, I know we're nottalking about issues, but man,
those are the best looking like55 year olds of all times the
(25:45):
time they're like really tryingto get us to the revolutionary
war in that show.
Yeah, you know, just for peoplewho don't know, the show kind of
starts in like the early 17teens essentially in scotland,
yeah and by the final seasonthey're in america.
Yeah, and the actors ages areprobably in their like 30s and
(26:08):
40s, but the characters ages aresomehow in their like 50s and
60s, late 50s, 60s, yeah andthey basically are just like oh,
let's put a little gray, andthey're both super hot, right,
let's just put a little bit gray, let's put a little bit gray in
the hair, yeah, and everyepisode is like man.
It's miserable to live incolonial america, but yet
somehow we are the sexiestpeople alive and look amazing.
(26:31):
So yeah, I mean, you know,obviously he's eating a lot more
protein than most men, I guessprobably would be.
LaToya Tucciarone (26:39):
Yeah, in that time you throw in that axe
around.
Andrew Tucciarone (26:43):
So you know, I take a little bit away from
that.
If I can look like Jamie whenI'm, you know, 60, then you know
.
LaToya Tucciarone (26:49):
Hashtag goals .
Andrew Tucciarone (26:50):
Goals.
But yeah, no, I mean great showA lot of, I think, for me.
I actually would say that someof my most enjoyable books when
I was transitioning from sort offiction to not fiction were
historical fiction books booksthat basically would take a time
(27:12):
and a place and then they wouldtry to actually make that time
and place, but with fictionalcharacters, right, which I have
enjoyed that in pop culture Ifeel like that's a good way for
people like me to learn abouthistory yeah, for sure.
I sure I was like what is aJacobite?
I don't know what a Jacobite is.
LaToya Tucciarone (27:29):
Oh, jamie was a Jacobite.
You know Like it's a great wayto.
It's a fun way to learn history.
If you're not, like I'm goingto sit down and read a book
about, you know, the Scottishrebellion.
Andrew Tucciarone (27:38):
And some of those time periods have amazing
you know things to teach us,justin, today.
So I don't know.
Yeah, I think those are kind oflike the things that are the
most enjoyable, and then alsokind of like as a person who
sees myself as somebody who'spretty capable, just like period
I love, like I love thatwhenever he's just like goes and
(28:00):
like builds a cabin in thewoods, I'm just like I could do
that Like if I was living backin those times.
I would absolutely be.
I would absolutely be, youwould crush, I would absolutely
be splitting logs and buildingcabins and you know slapping,
you know vassals who are notlistening and paying taxes like
I'm there every single one ofthose things oh man, so you're
(28:20):
kind of living vicariously.
LaToya Tucciarone (28:22):
Uh, a little bit, a little bit.
Andrew Tucciarone (28:24):
Totally, yes, not Roger, no good god, not
whiny, not poor whiny Roger Iwould.
LaToya Tucciarone (28:32):
I know I mean , but to be fair, he's probably
one of the most realisticabsolutely characters, because
I'm like, I'm sorry, but mostpeople like Claire don't really
adapt quite as well from beingtaken from like a modern world
to the 17, 18 hundreds.
If this was real.
Andrew Tucciarone (28:52):
Claire is dead in the first 20 minutes of
the show Right.
The first time she looks atsomebody and talks back done
Right, right, right, she's awitch, burn her, she's done so
yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:02):
Yeah, roger is a lot more.
They did try to burn her.
Andrew Tucciarone (29:06):
Yeah, that's true roger is a lot more like
realistic because he's a lotweaker and we're very weak and
soft, so a lot of us wouldstruggle to survive right in
that time.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:16):
So I do, I do appreciate roger's character,
for, you know, giving a little,a little bit of a balance there
to how people would really react, yeah, I mean you know those
types of situations yeah, he's,uh, yeah, he, and you know he's
making it.
Andrew Tucciarone (29:31):
So yeah, I mean he's like.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:33):
I'd also like to go back home right, he's
also one of the most honest inthat sense he's like this is
cool, this is great, but I thinkI would probably be the same.
Andrew Tucciarone (29:43):
I would be like this is fun.
Yeah, I'm really glad that Ihad my like living history year
yeah, there you go.
Yeah, I don't you know I wantto have a toilet.
Yeah, I like McDonald's yeah.
LaToya Tucciarone (29:56):
I mean yeah well, one aspect of the show
that I also love.
So I watched the show withoutAndrew and then kind of went
back and we watched it togetherand one of the things I think I
loved about it, that I thoughtmade it really special that you
(30:16):
do not see often in televisionat all is just a healthy,
functioning marriage.
Sure, you know there is a lotof sex in this show 100 sorry,
children.
You know there is.
We're not going to get allgraphic about it, but there is,
you know.
But then you remember oh, thesepeople are actually like
(30:41):
married and it's a very healthyexpression of marriage and
they're also like teamwork, youknow, like they just function so
well together.
They're in it for the long hauland I just feel like you just
don't get very healthy picturesof a marriage like that anymore
Right.
Andrew Tucciarone (31:01):
It definitely sometimes can seem like in
portrayals of marriage on TVyou've either got the like super
dysfunctional comedic marriagesor you've got marriages that
work, but they seem like dreammarriages where, like, each
partner is just like constantlymaking the other person happy
all the time, right, and Idefinitely think that in this
(31:22):
show, the marriage, there's alot of times where they really
piss each other off right like alot of rates and claire,
running off all the time.
LaToya Tucciarone (31:31):
Right go like where are you going?
Claire?
Why are you getting?
Andrew Tucciarone (31:35):
captured one more time.
I mean literally, it's justconstant.
And then her daughter gettingcaptured, just do it like that's
just what they do is getcaptured.
But I think, yeah, and I thinkthat, like sometimes jamie makes
these super stupid, bullheadeddecisions and oftentimes, even
(31:56):
if she's frustrated, they givetheir space yeah their space to,
like, become the person thatthey are.
Yeah, and even though he has,honestly, almost no framework to
understand where she's comingfrom, because obviously where
she's coming from is hundreds ofyears different he still tries
and.
I think for me well, it's trust.
LaToya Tucciarone (32:15):
There's a lot of trust in their relationship,
yeah, trust in a relationshipwhich, for us, you know has been
a big part of our story, Right.
Andrew Tucciarone (32:25):
And respect, trust, respect to understand
when the other person's doingsomething to support it.
LaToya Tucciarone (32:33):
so, yeah, yeah, and when you don't always
understand to to trust, you know.
I love how, like Jamie willrefer to Claire when he's like
well, like what's gonna happen,and it might sound crazy to him
because, again, like you said,he has no context for what she
knows, but he justwholeheartedly trust her and I
(32:54):
love that.
They kind of like are not thecenter of each other's universes
, right, but they um, developother things yeah.
Like they kind of have liketheir own thing going on um
together.
They're both smart together,but they both support each other
for and they're able to beindependent of each other and
(33:17):
still be capable and functionalright.
Andrew Tucciarone (33:20):
because really I think in a marriage
each partner is not always goingto be able to push equally to
the partnership Right.
So there are times when you'vegot to learn how to be
independent together if thatmakes any sense.
LaToya Tucciarone (33:33):
Yeah, I mean, it's definitely a dichotomy and
they've saved each other, right?
You know too?
Andrew Tucciarone (33:40):
Physically and mentally.
LaToya Tucciarone (33:42):
Yeah, physically and mentally, and I
think that there's justsomething also really beautiful
about Claire not being likeJamie why are you always trying
to see me all the time?
Or being insecure about him?
You know being manly and strongand having to rescue her, and
she's able to receive his help.
(34:03):
But, at the same time, he'sable to receive her help when
he's sick or wounded and she cancare for him and he's not like
no, I need to be a man like suckit up Right.
Andrew Tucciarone (34:15):
I mean to be fair.
Most of the time he's likepassed out, because he's like
literally dying.
Yeah, oh, Jamie.
LaToya Tucciarone (34:22):
Oh Jamie, Take this medicine I've made for
you.
From tree bark, yeah, which isalso just hilarious, but it's, I
just think their theirrelationship, I think, is very
cool and very, very rare to seeyou know it doesn't feel
rom-commy or like straight outof a freaking.
(34:46):
I mean sometimes it feels likeit's out of a romance novel.
I mean it gets steamy, you know.
But I think it's balanced bythis healthy respect and then
seeing them age together yeah, Imean as well, so to speak yeah,
so yeah, they're sexy aging.
Um, I think is is really cool.
Yeah too.
So I think it's been a good,it's been a good, it's been a
(35:08):
good ride.
It's been a good ride and we'llsee.
Andrew Tucciarone (35:11):
Hopefully the last season will disappoint us.
LaToya Tucciarone (35:13):
So, yeah, I think it's been a really good
show for us and I mean we'regoing to go into the last season
together, Hopeful it won't letus down.
Let's see how they land.
Andrew Tucciarone (35:24):
Not every show has done that, the bear
definitely brutal.
LaToya Tucciarone (35:27):
No, no, a lot .
There's a lot of shows thatdon't know how to land the plane
, but I'm going to learn how toland the plane on this podcast.
Andrew Tucciarone (35:35):
I know you are my very first one ever.
LaToya Tucciarone (35:40):
I'm landing, we're coming down, we're
descending.
So thank you all for joining usfor the first one.
Thank you, andrew, for beinghere and talking to me about pop
culture.
This is essentially what youguys can expect from you know.
Future episodes.
I think it's going to be a lotof fun and, again, so excited to
(36:02):
have you guys here, and I willcatch you on the next one On the
flip side.
Right, I said it right, this isthe Human Pop Podcast.
It's pop for humans' sake.
And I will catch you on thenext one On the flip side.
Right, I said it right, this isthe Human Pop Podcast.
No-transcript.
(41:18):
Our little funko pops of claireand of she's to stand up and of
Jamie.
So, whenever I can on the show,if I have a Funko Pop that will
relate to what we're talkingabout, I'm going to show it
because you know I think they'regreat.
Andrew Tucciarone (41:40):
So yeah, continue, I mean and honestly
yeah.
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