Why ‘Morality Divides’ Keeps You Stuck: Healing Hate & Finding Conscience. Our judgments—especially the righteous ones—keep us divided, drained, and disconnected from peace. I share the story of a podcast pitch that stopped me in my tracks, not because the writing wasn’t brilliant (it was), but because its final line revealed just how easily certainty turns into separation.
This isn’t about politics or taking sides. It’s about something deeper: how hate—no matter how justified we think it is—remains hate. And when we fight hate with more hate, we become the very thing we despise. In this episode, I explore the difference between morality (which divides) and conscience (which unites), why our nervous systems push us toward judgment, and how leaders like Michael Singer and Gabor Maté model another way.
At its core, this episode is about the choice each of us has: to keep fueling division, or to practice the harder, humbler path of presence, compassion, and conscience—even in the face of pain and injustice.
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