Unveiling Hollywood: Joely Fisher on Acting, Activism, and Navigating Family Dynamics

Actress Joely Fisher joins us for a candid exploration of her life and career, revealing the layers behind her Hollywood persona. As the daughter of industry icons Eddie Fisher and Connie Stevens, Jolie shares her unique perspective on navigating fame and family, from her early role on "Ellen" to tackling heavy characters in films like "Girl in the Basement." She opens up about the emotional challenges of portraying dark roles and the joy of live theater, offering an honest look at the dedication required in both her professional and personal life.

Our conversation takes a thoughtful turn as we discuss the shifting political landscapes and their impact on family dynamics, with Joely reflecting on her own experiences with generational differences in political engagement. We highlight the inspiring work of young activists like Santiago Meyer and the complexities of mobilizing Gen Z voters amidst evolving social issues. Joely shares intimate stories of rekindling friendships across political divides and her family’s journey in navigating changing beliefs, illustrating how personal relationships intersect with broader societal changes.

In a heartfelt conclusion, Joely speaks passionately about her advocacy for mental health and union politics within the entertainment industry. She shares poignant memories of her sister Carrie and mother Debbie Reynolds, underscoring the importance of accessible mental health care and the systemic challenges faced by veterans in the industry. Joely's commitment to using her platform for positive change shines through, as she reflects on grief, resilience, and the potential for individual action to drive societal progress, reminding us all of the power of genuine connection and empathy.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Jack Hopkins Show podcast, where
stories about the power of focusand resilience are revealed by
the people who live thosestories and now the host of the
Jack Hopkins Show podcast, jackHopkins.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hello and welcome to the Jack Hopkins Show podcast.
I'm your host, jack Hopkins.
Hello and welcome to the JackHopkins Show podcast.
I'm your host, jack Hopkins.
Today's guest is actress JolieFisher, the daughter of singer
Eddie Fisher and actress ConnieStevens.
Jolie has a younger sister,tricia Lee Fisher, also an
actress who's been in many films, and you probably are at least
a little bit familiar with herhalf-sister, harry Fisher, who

(00:49):
starred, of course, as PrincessLeia in Star Wars.
Jolie's first film role wasAvril in the comedy Pretty Smart
in 1987, which starred hersister Tricia.
Jolie was named Miss GoldenGlobe at the 1992 Golden Globe
Awards.
Her breakthrough came in 1994,starring as Paige Clark in the
ABC sitcom Ellen.
That same year, she earned aGolden Globe Award nomination

(01:12):
for Best Supporting Actress, andshe played the role of Paige
Clark for four seasons until theseries ended in 1998.
She followed Ellen with therole of Dr Brenda Bradford in
the film Inspector Gadget in1999.
From 2006 until 2010, jolie hada recurring role as Lynette's

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boss, nina, on DesperateHousewives.
In 2021, jolie starred as IreneCody in what was probably one
of her darker roles in theLifetime film Girl in the
Basement, which was inspired bythe real-life story of Josef
Fritzl who, as the title implies, kept one of his daughters in

(01:56):
the basement, doing some prettyhorrible things to her.
Over the years, the NationalMembers of the Trade Union
SAG-AFTRA, which is the ScreenActors Guild American Federation
of Television and Radio Artists, elected Jolie as Secretary
Treasurer on September 2, 2021.

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Jolie is multi-talented, to saythe least.
She's not only an award-winningactress, but she's also a
recording artist and, in fact,her career in music helped land
her on Broadway, which she talksabout.
That some in this episode.
Jolie serves and this is thestuff that really gets me going

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and I think that just reallymakes her stand out and I'll
talk more about that in theepisode but just her nature to
give back and to contribute toothers.
She serves on the advisory boardof Voters of Tomorrow, an
advocacy organization thatpromotes political engagement

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among Generation Z, the Gen Zfolks and that's at
votersoftomorroworg.
In 2008, she became an artistambassador for Save the Children
and she traveled to Mozambiqueto visit with children who are
part of the child sponsorshipprograms, and that's at

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SaveTheChildrenorg Very worthyorganization.
So as you watch and or listen tothis episode with the smart,
beautiful, witty and just goodhuman being, jolie Fisher, you

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will see right away the passionthat she has for other people,
and you know that's justsomething rare in this world
today.
And so when I see somebodyespecially in you know the
Hollywood scene that could soeasily be caught up in

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everything else there is to becaught up in but is posting
about and is volunteering andworking with and helping out
with organizations that helpother people or, in the case of
Voters of Tomorrow, it's aimedat helping our country, it's

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aimed at helping save democracythat just always catches my
attention and I want that'ssomebody I want to talk to and
find out more about them.
So let's get right into thisand we'll just roll right into a
conversation that Jolie and Iare having about who she is and

(05:04):
why she's such a giving person.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Enjoy, I find it really hard to move through life
, not wanting to bring peopleinto the light, you know.
That's why this time period,this maybe decade, it seems so
foreign to me, because we are insuch a state of tearing each

(05:28):
other down, you know, and, andit's I, you know, and I'm
talking about, um, not just inpolitics and whatever, but it
just seems like as a, as a, ashumanity, we don't want to see
people I do, but that peopledon't want to see other people.
Victorious right.
Such a strange feeling to me,um yeah, good question.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Is that something that I've always wondered about
this?
When you look at the the restof america and I I say that
saying looking from LA and theHollywood life when you look at
the rest of America, isHollywood dealing with the same

(06:15):
dysfunctions at the same time asthe rest of society, or is
there lag time between?

Speaker 3 (06:24):
You know, I said that I wrote a book.
You know, I was inspired and afire lit in me to write with the
loss of my sister, carrie, andI realized that I had a lot to
say.
And I, and I say it in a cleverway, and I say it, and I'm a
truth teller, you know, and, andI say this one line which is
sort of a joke we all have thesame problems, just in different

(06:47):
square footage.
It's a joke, but it's true.
How I feel, you know, it's notjust about square footage, it's
about, you know, not just aboutsocioeconomic, it's about, like,
where you are on the planet,like what's around you there.
For the grace of God, go we,that we were, that we landed in
this exact spot at this exacttime, um, good, bad and ugly,

(07:10):
right, um, but I think, whereHollywood is a microcosm of you
know, people like to say Holly,we're an elitist and you know
the this and and um, and I thinkwe're, just as you know, as
frightened and and as um asanything as anybody else, right?

(07:31):
so sure that we got platformed,um, and we got a microphone and
you know I have a big mouth andI'm gonna sing.
So sometimes when you seesomething go by and you go, oh,
that lady made me laugh once,what is she talking about?
So then I am able to have yourear and I am able to say, like

(07:54):
we're not OK, like you know, andin in this roof, here alone,
with all the tchotchkes thatappear behind me, I, you know, I
have family members with mentalhealth challenges.
I have, you know, people in myhome that have, you know,
addiction issues.
I have people in, you know,that are struggling with.
You know what kind of bankaccounts we all have and what

(08:29):
kind of.
You know how we don't have anystruggle being born into this
business or, you know, with afamous last name.
It's like I'm, you know, awoman of a certain age in a
business that doesn't allow that, and you know it's.
The struggle is it's differentat different in different
decades, um, but I really feellike as an artist and like

(08:51):
bringing this back around towhat you just said, is that you
know, as, as a hollywood which Idon't live in hollywood either,
um, that we want to tellstories and have ourselves
reflected on the screen.
So when I watch something, Iwant to feel like I'm watching
myself.
Even if I'm watching a story, apolitical thriller about a man,

(09:13):
I want to see myself, I want tosee.
So I always feel like in thestuff that I put out or that I'm
developing, that I want otherpeople to watch that and go.
She gets me.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, you know.
Yes, I've always wondered aboutthat, because, putting myself
in that position and let's say,you know, you've done 10 movies
and you've played all of thesewonderful roles, these great
characters, I always wondered if, at some point in time,
actorses think back and go.

(09:45):
You know, I, I put everybody onscreen except me.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
nobody really found out who I am I think sorry, I
just I've got dogs too I thinkthat you so I had an acting
teacher a long time ago sheactually recently passed away.
Her name was Sandra Seacat and alot of the greats studied with
her or they coached her throughincredible Academy Award winning

(10:13):
roles and things like that.
So she taught a method itwasn't the method, but her
methods were.
In order to get to know acharacter and to find, you had
to really truly find yourself.
So you worked on dream analysisand you did all these different
things and you have your littletool chest Right.
Then you're able to do thatwith a character, so you're able

(10:35):
to look at a character even ifit's nothing like you and you
and you're able to pull thingsthat are the same familiar
feeling and then infuse thecharacter with all parts of you
so well you know, you know, um,I find I'm just trying to think
of a part, like one of myfavorite roles that I've ever

(10:56):
done is sally bowles in cabareton broadway and I asked for a
dream.
I went to sleep and asked for adream and I found that the dream
that I was given was so muchlike something that Jolie would
dream, but it actually reallyapplied to this character who
was, you know, out of controland searching for her identity

(11:17):
and in 1929 in Berlin andwhatever, which is so not me,
but I found the things that howwe were alike and then I think I
was really authentically her onstage.
Does that make sense?

Speaker 2 (11:30):
It does.
You know it does, and it'sfunny that you say that because
one that I really one role youplayed, irene Cody, I was really
curious about how dark you hadto go within to be that wife of
this guy.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, it's so funny.
I actually had lunch with myfriend who directed that
yesterday and we were talkingabout that because we were
looking to do this other projecttogether, this other project
together, and it was.
It's very, very hard to findsomething redeeming about those
characters that you say, oh myGod, I've got to play this, but
that's also the reason to playit.

(12:13):
You know, and and Judd and Ihad many, many discussions
before making that movie aboutyou know the that it was
inspired.
It's not.
It's not the true story that itwas inspired.
It's not.
It's not the true story, but itwas inspired by a true story,
which is horrible, yes, and Iwas like, how did this mother

(12:34):
not know all these years?
How do you know?
I'm a mother, I have five kids,so I know and I haven't given
birth to all of them, butthey're my kids and I know all
of them intricately.
And how would I not know thetruth about one of my children?
I feel like I have that, thatsense of it being their mom and

(12:55):
being just a sort of a mothergoddess energy.
I feel like I would know, Iwould know, I would know that
you know, um, so I had to try tofind the places in the story
where you know where she was aredeemable woman Like I.

(13:16):
Ha, I had to find that and Ithink that I succeeded in that
it's.
It's still one of the.
It's still such a terriblestory.
I mean it's.
I thought the film came outgreat, but I it's hard one of
it's still such a terrible story, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I thought the film came out great, but I it's hard
to watch.
Yeah, and I'm guessing, justbecause the the story of joseph
fritzl is, if told like ithappened is such a horrible
story, I'm guessing had to tonethe movie down quite a bit to to
be able to to get it to go onthe airwaves, didn't you?

Speaker 3 (13:46):
we didn't say the name of the movie girl in the
basement but I but yeah, it wasum, the the story was even more
um, just horrific and and likeunfathomable that a father would
, would be like that to to theirchild and and you know,
sexually and all of the mind,all of it and um, there were

(14:08):
more children in real life thanwe portrayed in the movie and
because it was lifetime, theyyou know there are certain rules
that are in cable television,but also I thought that
elizabeth really did a great jobin how it was shot and just the

(14:30):
tone that she took with it.
And Stephanie was amazing, justreally great, really great
performances for a really reallytough story.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah, and Elizabeth, by the way, I I love her
instagram feed because she's gotthe brightest eyes.
You scroll through and her eyesjust jump out and if, if you
are not feeling where you thinkyou should be for that day, you
see a couple pictures of hereyes and you're like I'm better
I, I'm going to call her that.
That's the next thing I'm goingto say yeah.

(15:05):
So how long does it?
Well, let me ask you this Areyou someone who, when you're
shooting, do you stay incharacter?
Are you a Jim Carrey thatdoesn't ever step out of
character, or Nah?

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, my, you know, it may be, it may be the
reality that I've um, that Ihave um, I'm able to tap into um
sort of grief and maybe justplain darkness easily, that I
find that if I were to staythere, it would be hard for me

(15:40):
to ever come back.
Yeah, and I don't mean thatlike you know to be, you know
right, whatever um I am able to,I do want to stay in moments,
but but no, when I leave the set, I'm, I, I, I leave her there
and I'm and I'm with jolie sokind of got.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I guess, to use a metaphor, you kind of throw the
switch on.
You've got a on-off switch andyou know when it's time and pop
in.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
I do, I do.
I'm just sort of thinking aboutit now because I did have this
another onstage experience,because I heard Denzel
Washington say yesterday,because he's back on Broadway
and he said to any actor learnhow to act on stage.
And that's like my, my heart,like I, my foundation, and all
of that.
I love to be on stage but alsoit takes a lot of energy and

(16:34):
it's a lot and you know it's.
You don't get paid a tremendousamount but it is purely for the
artistry of it.
And I did, right before thepandemic, I did Key Largo and I
did right before the pandemic.
I did Key Largo with AndyGarcia at the, you know, in the,
in the lead role and, yes,danny Pino and Tony Plana just
amazing cast.
And it was at the GeffenTheater here in LA and I got to

(16:59):
play the Claire Trevor partwhich was won her an Oscar in
Key Largo and she was a drunkand it's just a little gem of a
role and just like literallysort of carried the second act
across the finish line.
In my humble opinion, yeah, yeah, and I did sort of have to stay

(17:25):
in that, not that I had to staydrunk, because you're really
drunk, but so I sort of had tostay in that zone during that
time period because I had tolike get the movements down and
I had to.
You know, like there's a thingwhere you'd like you don't want
to do too much and you do, so I,so I couldn't go.

(17:47):
Like you know, do cartwheelsafter it.
You know, I like hung in there,um, it makes you a shitty
mother, and those times, becausethey don't kind of know who
they're gonna get, and I'mhonest with you, you know it's
like um, uh, but yeah, I mean, Iguess it's a mixture.

Speaker 2 (18:05):
It depends on what the part is like doing comedy,
that's really like a wheelhousetoo, you know, it's like that's
just fun, that's just playtime,you know I was gonna say that it
you, you used the word that Iwas going to ask you if that's
what it was like playtimethey're just loose and no
boundaries and like nothing's amistake.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
It's the same muscle, right, like my mom used to say,
like when singing is like, youknow, that's a muscle like the
body is, you know.
So when you say it's likeriding a bike, it truly is Like
you get back in it and you'relike, oh God, I forgot what this
is like.
It's so fun, but it's the samemuscle to make people cry as it

(18:49):
is to make people laugh, right.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Sure.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Not to say I never want to be lazy about it, I
always want to be working.
You know, I always want to betrying to find new things to to,
to bring to life.
But, um, but yeah, I mean I didthe show.
I mean Ellen and I were likeLucy and Ethel at times in the,

(19:15):
in that in those years and BradGarrett delicious chemistry with
Brad Garrett for many yearsthat that was sort of effortless
like we we he's a big giant guyand we sort of stood toe-to-toe
in terms of our comedy, interms of how filthy we are, like
it was most fun we ever had.

(19:36):
You know, yeah, um, and I,somebody recently sent me off of
you know the internet acompilation video which I had
never seen.
I think it was some like aFrench, canadian person made it,
so there was like some Frenchmusic behind it and it was just
the love story of Eddie and JoyStark and it made me well up

(20:01):
because it was like's my friendbrad garrett.
But in this thing I waswatching these two people that
like fought all the time andthey were silly and whatever,
but they, there was love there,right, um, when you find that
that's cool yeah, you know,that's I.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
I I don't have always thought about hollywood in this
way.
When you look at the number ofaffairs that go on, to me, part
of that is almost inevitable.
And I say that because,pretending or not, you're using
the same wiring right, wiringright.

(20:49):
So if you are in a scene withsomebody you're both deeply in
love or it's a hot, passionatescene, what you are lighting up?
Everything in the brain thatwould be getting lit up if it
was it doesn't know thedifference, right.
It doesn't know the differenceright because you're being
truthful it's you know, yeah, soit would be for me.
When I look at that, I say, youknow that would be.
That would be a tough onesometimes, and especially if

(21:12):
it's somebody that you arenaturally attracted to anyway.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I think that it's, that there's something.
Somebody told me this a longtime ago.
Now I watch it all the time.
So if you're watching it, twopeople that like have like the
hots for each other or you knowthey have that chemistry, but
nothing's ever gone down that'smore interesting to watch than
two people that are actuallydoing it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah rightyeah, I can always tell.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
I can always tell, I'm like oh they're right, yeah,
you know if it's actually yeah,and I don't know if that's
because there's that there'sstill that tension of you want
tension right right, yeah, solet's let's jump around here a
little bit.
Let's go to the votes oftomorrow.

(22:05):
Let's talk about that.
Seems like a pretty recent andtimely discussion.
You are on the advisory board,and am I right that this focuses
on Gen Z?

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Yes, so I feel like we've been like at it on the you
know the old platform for sometime now.
Right, and Santiago Meyer is waslike 19 years old and he was in
our I mean, I guess we can sayit now in our political war room
that we had had, which wasactivists, artists and and

(22:44):
politicians and doctors and allof it sort of came down.
It's interesting that it sort oflike lined up with with me
running for office in inSAG-AFTRA was at the same time
around when the pandemic startedand when, you know, politics
was very spicy and we all werein this war room together and,

(23:05):
um, it became really importantto all of us and I think we
still communicate via this chat,um, you know, on different
platforms and um, and santiago,just, he was like a shining star
to me, like he, he's animmigrant and he is very smart,
very articulate and coalescedyoung people and and I you know

(23:31):
I thought Gen Z was going tosave us they still may I don't
know what happened this goaround Because they got so many
millions of more young votersengaged and registered, and
whether they showed up or not, Iguess, remains to be seen, but

(23:54):
he always has something positiveto do and say and became
embedded in the actual campaignfor Joe and then transferred
over to VP.
But they're great, they're greatand they're young and he was

(24:14):
living out here in LA and noneof us ever saw each other
because it was the middle of usin the pandy.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Right.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
But since then have spent a lot of time together.
We do fundraisers, I'm on theadvisory board and I always wait
to hear from him to to know,like you know, what's the real
skinny on certain things likenot that my station that I'm in
isn't real, because it very muchis real and we can talk about

(24:46):
that a little bit.
But if I ever ran for nationalpolitics in any way which I
don't know I might someday thenI would santiago by my side nice
, really.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Yeah, nice, yeah.
What, what?
As far as being on the advisoryboard and looking at it from
different angles, what's thebiggest hurdle in getting Gen Z
as politically engaged as we?

Speaker 3 (25:12):
need them to be been my boys for 28 years, but so
they're in their 30s and sothey're millennials.
Then I have two gen z's.
I have a 23 year old and analmost 19 year old who, both of
them brilliant my two biologicalchildren.

(25:35):
They are couldn't do anythingwith their lives that they want
super smart, loyal, kind, loyal,kind goodness.
They are Gen Z.
And then my youngest is calledAlpha Generation.
She's 16.
She is my one adopted child.
She is in that age where she'snever known from leading with

(26:00):
the top of her head.
So everybody in that generationis the screen generation.
So I find they don't look youin the eye.
I love her as dearly as I lovemy other children right right,
but I need it.
I have three, you know.
Then my husband's a boomer, I'mgen x, like we're all.
We all have this, you know,this span here.

(26:22):
Yeah, they're the same sign,but I do find that Gen Z showed
up.
I do, I do think they they did,but I but the reason why I'm
getting at this is that some ofthe younger ones because my
youngest daughter wasn't able tovote, so, and my, my middle
daughter, true, was her firsttime voting and she worked on

(26:43):
the campaign and she washeartbroken because she worked
with grassroots and she workedwith Santiago, with voters of
tomorrow and and Eric Swalwell,and she was very involved, and
so she, like, had a fullmeltdown because she thought
that that they were gonna bringus to the end and was, you know,

(27:05):
really broke down about it andfound that it was the boys In
around her age and specificallyin places that are, you know,
blue from the outside.
You know blue from the outside.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Right.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
But she found that you know the, where, where I
live, specifically the, theJewish kids that said their vote
for Trump was a vote for Israel, and so there, what there's,
this big, you know, and there'slike the bros, like the like

(28:10):
that are emboldened andemblazoned by 45, 47 in a way
that we didn't guess they wouldbe.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I support who.
I support, meaning my supportfor Israel in terms of the
Jewish people as a whole.
When I express that support,it's not like I sit back and go
okay, how's this going to playout?
If it's something that's realfor me, then I express it, and
sometimes that goes overno-transcript.

(28:51):
I got a bad feeling from thatearly on.
I'm like we can't.
We can't do this and win.
You know.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
I mean, why don't we fight dirty like they do?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
That's the thing.
Thank you, jolie, thank you.
I grew up in a rural Republicanstronghold, rural North
Missouri, and I was a Republicanfor 50 years, right, right.

(29:31):
So the most difficult thing forme as a democrat now is every
fiber of my being metaphorically, of course says let's fucking
duke this out.
Okay, you want to fight, let's,let's fight, let's, let's fight
.
But that doesn't happen.
That doesn't happen in, or, ifit does, what what's so often

(29:53):
called a fight.
Wait a minute, are we breakingthe rules?
Are we, you know?
And I'm like, hey, once thefight begins, yeah, the the
rules are gone.
I'm not suggesting breakinglaws.
I'm saying, if the person youare battling has adopted

(30:14):
different rules than you haveand you refuse to adjust and
adapt and also use those rulesmost of the time, you're going
to get your ass kicked.
You can't fight somebody who'splaying by different rules and
not not adjust your rules.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
So I don't know how I have a friend who it doesn't
matter who it is, anotheractress friend of mine who, um
son, just started veryprestigious ivy league college.
The roommate is and they're youknow there's no.
If they're rounding people up,they're gonna know who we are
right away.
Right, I'm saying it's likeright, we're not fooling anybody

(30:56):
.
We're not good, you know you betso everybody knows where I
stand and where this otheractress stands.
And and she said and then I metthe roommate, and so she felt
like her son was, wow, howbright and how evolved and how
forward thinking is her child.

(31:18):
Oh my God, I did such good onhim that this roommate and he,
who differ so widely on politics, were able to connect and just
like agree to disagree.
So she thought right.
So then, and she thought, well,you know what Kudos to them
that they're, you know, able tolive in the same room and feel

(31:39):
the way so differently about theworld that they do Because
they're smart kids.
So she went to dinner then withthe parents and the two kids and
she saw where the child,basically where the child came
from, yeah, and so she said shewas watching, and you know, as
we do, we observers in thisworld, and she was like watching

(32:00):
the dynamic with the mother,like going, like, like you know
that thing that moms sometimesdo, and then the and the oh well
, you know them, you know kindof like making excuses for it,
and then, and then the father,and this is like in a what we
would look at as a kind of anormal nucleus of a family,

(32:21):
right, the mother and father arestill married and they have
this adult son and, and how thefather sort of like took a back
seat and like watched it go, youknow, didn't come, didn't
struck, didn't go over the top,neither one of them did any sort
of a, even not to say that youneed to be correcting your
children.
But, like we, it was clear howhe was taught is just to.

(32:43):
And then she went in on him andshe said okay, so, so this is
how you feel.
And she said immovable factswere all over the place.
Like you can't argue with that.
You can't argue with that, youcan't.
You don't want to see myopinion, you don't want to, um,

(33:03):
you don't want to actually takethe facts and and like say, oh
hey, I didn't know that happenedor I didn't know he felt that
way or she did that or you know,they just don't want to hear it
.
No, don't hear it.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
It's a cult.
It is very much a cult.
A friend of mine stopped by acouple of weeks ago, just showed
up.
We hadn't spoken in five yearsand and it was because of
politics and it was about thetime I left the republican party
and he's a 33 year air forceguy.
He's getting ready to we wentin the same week actually and

(33:41):
he's getting ready to retire andwe had split, hadn't't talked,
hadn't communicated, and he justkind of showed up at my door so
I let him in and I didn't knowwhere he stood.
But I knew where he stoodbecause the last I had talked to
him he was big on Trump, right.
So he comes in, we don't say aword about politics.

(34:03):
He talks for about an hour, orwe talk for about an hour and he
leaves.
And as he's leaving it's almostlike he couldn't help himself.
And on the way out the door hewas talking about the election
and he said you know, can youbelieve?
Can you believe that the wholelast year they're calling Trump

(34:29):
a Nazi?
I mean, he was out of his mindover that.
That was such an ill-fitting.
And I said, brother, I was oneof them.
Okay, you act like a Nazi.
That seems like a fitting title.

(34:50):
But to your point, he's solocked into that he can do no
wrong that they literally haveperceptual filters that won't
even allow them to see.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
You know my mom.
I always thought that my momwas, you know.
I mean she was liberal all mylife.
You know, I don't think we evertalked about what party she was
in, but I always felt like shewas you.
She was a little like 60s, 70ssex queen, goddess, you know
like so you know we're all overthe world and you know she's

(35:32):
bohemian and whatever.
However that was looked at thenand and um, and more recently,
like in the past couple ofdecades, because my mom's 86 now
Connie Stevens we're talkingabout and she, you know, had a
career as an actress and asinger and a, you know, big

(35:53):
personality and did a lot ofgood for a lot of people but
made most of her money which isall gone now, by the way, in the
skincare business, ironically,because you know that somebody
came and brought her someproducts and she was like, well,
I don't use these products, I'mgonna do my own products.
And, being the renaissancewoman that she was and kind of

(36:13):
ahead of her time, she was thefirst um with joan rivers,
remember the first?
yeah signed those deals with.
Now everybody sells something onhome shopping sure she was like
among the first of those soamazing products.
Amazing success afforded her abeautiful lifestyle, and then
she said I don't want to die thecream lady and went, you know,

(36:34):
sort of like we still have.
We actually rebranded thebusiness, my sister and I now,
so so do go tofisherstevensbeautycom for some
great creams.
But she then made a movie at 70years old that she had written
and directed the movie and did abunch of things that were her

(36:56):
passion and all of that, and soI think that she considered
herself the 1% or the 2%.
She had made lots of money, shehad a lot of real estate Read
about it in my book she kind ofsquandered it away and sort of
left us sort of trying to figureout how to sell things to

(37:18):
survive and it was pretty heavyduty.
But she is also Italian and shenever let us forget it.
Yes, I was like we're italianand I'm like what does that mean
besides thoughts?
But she's also catholic and andsuper catholic and I think that
, as if you're raised like that,where you're, you have nothing

(37:42):
and you suddenly have a lot ofmoney and a lot of means and
you're, you have a catholicupbringing and italian she.
As she got closer to her ownmortality, she became more so
like that and considered herselfa republican suddenly, and I
was like I don't understand what.
Which part of that you're like?

(38:02):
You want to keep your money, oris it that you're closer to god
?
And and um, and you know thevalues which we all know.
That's not the values of therepublican party anymore.
It's fake christian values.
Um, but but my daughters in2020, came over to Nana's house

(38:25):
all of them and made aPowerPoint that was 40 minutes
long about the differencebetween Joe Biden and Trump, and
my mom voted Democrat.
How cool For her granddaughters.
How cool this time around.
I said you want me to bring youyour ballot?

(38:46):
And she said yeah.
And I said who are you going tovote for?
And she said it's none of yourbusiness.
And I was like hold on a second, hold on a second.
So then my sister came over andwe went through and we told her
that she's very big into themilitary right.
My mom's like veterans,veterans, veterans, veterans.
She.
She said she fought herself infour wars, meaning she went with
bob hope and entertained, yeah,but she, um, you know.

(39:10):
I said, mom, do you want tohear what the generals have to
say about him and that sort ofperked up her you know.
And she said she said I feellike I don't know.
I, you know she's in in, youknow, assisted living and she
doesn't.
She's bedridden and she watchesa lot of news and sometimes
it's Fox.
And she said I don't know thatI feel like I am enough in the

(39:35):
middle that I know enough abouteverything that's going on that
I'm going to sit this one out.
And I said I respect that foryou because I don't want you to
vote for somebody you don't wantto vote for.
But I also I want you to knowthat your time here is limited,
but you have eight grandchildren, so yeah, yeah it's wild.

(39:58):
It's wild how you can switch itup.
I think it is yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
You know I it really surprised me when I left the
Republican Party.
Of course, on the on theRepublican side, you had the how
can you leave this party and goto that party?
But on the Democratic Partyside it was like, wow, that's so

(40:26):
cool, how did you do that?
And you know I've probablywritten all kinds of
explanations about how.
But I think that the truth isit's just my personality, how.
But I think that the truth isit's just my personality.
Look when, when I see thatsomething has has become bs and

(40:46):
it it it's violating every valuethat I thought it it used to
somewhat, uh, align with.
It's just not a big deal for me.
I'm'm done with it and I don'tcare what anybody thinks about
it.
So there wasn't any real deepphilosophical thing other than

(41:07):
just realizing, hey, this is notthe party of my grandparents,
this is not the party of myparents.
And it's funny that you talkedabout your mom saying she fought
in four wars.
Just yesterday, when I was kindof looking at some stuff for
today, I watched a clip of BobHope USO tour with your mother

(41:30):
and I will tell you as a- theone in the little red dress.
Yes, yes yes, I'll tell you.
In the 70s, as a 13,14-year-old boy, there were
three hot women for me.
They were Raquel Welch, connieStevens and.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Ann-Margaret those were the three.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
That's a good triumvirate, that's a good pick
and fortunately all three ofthem in the 70s were on the TV
screen quite often.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
And all still around.
Yeah, you picked three that hadlongevity.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
Yeah, so you said your mother's 86.
Health, good for an 86-year-old.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
You know, we had some scares.
I talk about 2016 as my year ofliving dangerously.
It started off with my momhaving a stroke the night of the
Golden Globes in January, andso I was, like, you know, white
knuckling from my house in thevalley way out into the Cedar
Sinai, which is, you know, andand all and is is tonight.

(42:38):
Gonna she gonna, you know,survive?
And she did, and she um endedup living with me for a little
bit of time and then we got her.
We sold, you know, big housesand got her a beautiful little
house and she was doing okay and, uh, you know, just, things
start to fail a little bit hereand there she's still still
hanging in there.
You know, of course, theelection of 45 and then my

(43:03):
sister, carrie, and her mother,debbie Reynolds, dying that same
year.
So it was like it was a.
It was, it was treacherous, theworld was off its axis, but my
mom is now being cared foraround the clock.
She's not super far away from me.

(43:24):
I go see her all the time.
She likes us, she knows who Iam, she makes a joke, she tells
an old story now and again, andwe all sort of gather around her
for Thanksgiving we all haddinner over there, like 30 of us
, and I cook a mean turkey.
I'll tell you that.
But yeah, it's hard becauseit's not.

(43:46):
You know, it's almost when somenobody prepares you for your
parents now aging and dying.
It's, it's something that wedon't.
Um, you know, I, I, I've, I'vethis will be the second time I'm
saying it if I were to run foroffice, and you should I do have
.
Um, you know, the mental healthis really like my jam and is

(44:09):
important to me because I've hadto navigate the, you know not
only um, uh, doctors andproviders and facilities, and um
, case managers and insuranceand all the things for mental
health, and it's something thatif you don't have any means, you
don't have access to, and thatis plain and simple.

(44:29):
There should be a place whereyou can go and talk, and I'm
trying to develop an app whereyou can, and there are some
where you can talk to a whereyou can, and there are some
where you can talk to apsychotherapist.
But you know something that ifone of my daughters didn't have
access to that and the pandemicdid a number on on her, I mean
it really really did and and itdid a number on all.

(44:52):
I was trying to decide, like whohad it worse?
Well, the worst people died,but then the old people that you
couldn't touch or hug or youhad to bubble wrap them.
And then there, old people thatyou couldn't touch or hug or
you had to bubble wrap them.
And then there were people thatwere like trying to reinvent
themselves in a career or weregoing through a divorce, or then
suddenly you had themillennials, were okay, because
they they're weird anyway, andthen school-aged children, and

(45:15):
then people that were havingbabies, like what you're
actually like, yeah, you know,um, but um, mental health always
has been my jam and I I'm in onthe board of a couple of
organizations, including thefisher foundation, which is mine
, and um, the thalians, which isgeriatrics to pediatrics,

(45:36):
mental health, veterans,everybody, elder care and and
the care of our, of our seniors,and the fact that here's a good
segue.
Right around the same time, Iwasn't involved in union
politics, and I mean from afar.
I was.
My mom was the secretarytreasurer of SAG in the early
2000s and I was on the nationalboard and I was having babies

(45:57):
and nursing and I was like SAGin the early 2000s and I was on
the national board and I washaving babies and nursing and I
was like I can't do this, mom,it's all you.
I called her one day and shewas in her white convertible
Corvette driving around.
I could hear the wind blowing.
And I was like where are yougoing?
And she goes I'm going to SAG.
And I said, eventually we allare mom.
Said, eventually we all are mom.

(46:19):
So I took up the mantle and waselected in the same job at
SAG-AFTRA.
Now merged union and it waswhen I got angry was the
collapse of the health plan andwhen they merged the two unions
together they didn't properlyever merge the health and
pension plans.

(46:39):
And so we, we knew that by adecade you know, which is 2020,
when they had just negotiated acontract that didn't put enough
money in the health plan, all ofour seniors lost their
healthcare and they were like,well, they have Medicare, it's
fine.
It's like no, it's not.
My mother is 70 years in thisbusiness, putting money into her
pension and into her healthplan so that she could be taken

(47:02):
care of for life.
I'm sorry.
So I think that that, again, isa microcosm of what happens in
this country is, if you, youknow, where are the people?
Not everybody can afford to bein this fancy assisted living
like we're spending every dollarof her pension and social
security and you know, and allof that to for her to just be

(47:24):
alive and have a roof over herhead, right?
So what happens if you're in acountry, in a town or in a
another state where they don'thave that?
Yeah, like what?
What do we?
What do people do?

Speaker 2 (47:39):
and and I'm glad you brought this up because I think
one well, I know it is oneillusion, if you will, that so
many people have is that theythink of somebody who you know
was famous or or famous, andthey can't imagine them having

(48:02):
any financial problems later.
Oh, they're famous, they usedto have this show or they did
this movie.
And so I think there's thismyth, this urban myth, woven
through everybody's mind that,oh, are you kidding?
They've, probably they can hirea staff of you know 12 to take

(48:22):
care of you.
Right, and I worked it'sinteresting In 1998, I was the
head nurse for an assistedliving center in Rancho Bernardo
, california, that was owned bythe Marriott, for an assisted
living center in Rancho Bernardo, california, that was owned by

(48:44):
the Marriott, and I met some ofthe most interesting people I've
ever met in my life, because alot of them not all, but many of
them had ties to Hollywood.
Right, the director of Ben-Hur,his wife was the all kinds of
different people, right?
So, yeah, uh, and they, theystill were pretty sharp.

(49:07):
So all day long I couldn't waitto go to work because it was
just like a living history.
I'd sit with these people andof course, they ate that up
because, you know, nobody reallylistens to them, sure, right?
So yeah to um.
I think people get an image ofthe connie stevens that was all

(49:31):
over television, all over theyou know the movie screen
singing.
And then when, when they hear,oh gosh, they're worried about
their health care and it's likethey don't get it and it's like,
look, there were several iconsof our business, Ed Asner, God
rest his soul.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
He was my union mentor and a friend.
He led a lawsuit and won.
It was his lawsuit until hepassed and there were multiple
plaintiffs, obviously, but itwas icons of this business that
you would never guess that theydidn't make their health care.
But you know, the requirementschanged and all of that we are

(50:11):
trying to fix it.
I'm working with, you know,with Fran Drescher, our
president, and myself, and andcommittee after committee after
committee.
I'm telling you it is afull-time, non-paying, often
soul-crushing job.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
I'll bet, I'll bet.

Speaker 3 (50:27):
But you know, I feel like I have 171,000 children.
You know like everybody has anissue and you know, and I once
said, slip into my DMs andsuddenly people are taking
advantage of it Flooded, yeahRight.
But it's wild.
It's a wild very short blip oftime that we're here.

(50:51):
It is.
And what do we do with that?
One wild wonderful life, orwhatever that saying is Indeed.
One wild wonderful life orwhatever that saying is, that
you know, it's just the stuffthat's been dredged up by and it
won't.
It's not just Donald Trump,it's not just him.
It feels like when I was goingto say, if I was running I keep

(51:15):
saying I'm going to run forsomething, but it's like, as
somebody said to me oh well, allwell, all the skeletons in your
closet.
I'm like you can't have moreskeletons than the guy who's the
president you can't can't havemore scale.
I don't have that many skeletons, right.
Um uh, I am a woman, though, somy skeletons might be, yeah
right, you know, yeah, yeah,that's.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I mean.
You bring up a great point.
If there's anything that he'sdone that might have a silver
lining, it's that there are somelegitimately good people who
maybe have got a skeleton or twoin their closet, but that now
that the climate has shiftedenough that maybe those good

(52:01):
people who 10 years ago wouldnever have thought about running
for office because, oh my God,this affair I had back in the
80s, you know- no-transcriptbefore election and they brought

(52:46):
me out a cake.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
It was just a few folks around and, and, uh, only
one of my daughters was present,but they all were present in my
heart and in you know my headand I said you know, we, I made
this promise in 2016.
I feel like I, when I, when Iblow out the candles and make a
wish, I'm wishing that we keepthis promise this time, and then
we didn't again.
So what does it do again?

(53:10):
Bringing it back around to genz is like, what does it do for
them?
Does it take the wind out oftheir sails to feel like, well,
we, we were there.
Like, does our voice matter?
Um, you know, um?
Or does it re-energize them,like this california seat that
just got won by 180 somethingvotes, um, you know that every

(53:32):
boy, every vote counts.
We saw that happen we did, um, Idon't know, I think.
I think, um, I saw somebodypost something that said it's
okay to disappear for a whileand re-energize and come back
yeah, yeah, I've seen similarand and I feel like maybe we all

(53:53):
kind of need to do that alittle bit yeah, I know people
that are not watching the newsat all.
I sort of am trying to stayaway from being glued to it, but
I do want to stay current onthese crazy cabinet picks.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Sure, I've been watching a lot of old laugh-in
episodes and play some of thenews that I used to watch.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, Goldie Hawn Till Death is on one of those
platforms, and brad and I aredelicious together.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
you should watch yeah , yeah, yeah actually um and um.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
You know, the supreme court scares the shit out of me
.
Oh, it's terrifying yeah, but Ialso.
But we have to believe in thesouls of the people that we hope
are going to be the adults inthe room there, like it's your
planet too.
They have kids and grandkids.

(54:47):
So are there going to be thosecouple of folks in the House and
the Senate and the court thatare going to go?
Hey, wait a second, thisdoesn't feel right.
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess we'll see.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know, when you and I are about the same age,
I'm 58, you're what?
57?
So yeah, we're close.
So I want to come go back alittle bit.
What was it like, because youwould have been what 9, 10 when
Star Wars came out?
What was it like Because youwould have been what 9, 10 when
Star Wars came out?
Oh my gosh, what was it likefor a 9, 10-year-old to have

(55:26):
your sister on the big screen?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Well, I didn't spend a lot of time with her as a real
little girl, although I justrecently was going through a
bunch of my mom's stuff andwe've had to do this many times,
you know, george Carlin, uh,run about having more stuff and
getting bigger place.
Well, that's kind of how I feellike my life has been.
But we finally put my mom inthis place and she's comfortable

(55:52):
and she has her favorite thingsaround her, but we again had to
get rid of a bunch of herthings, you know, and I ended up
going well, I can't, I can'tget rid of that bunch of her
things, you know, and I ended upgoing well, I can't, I can't
get rid of that.
I have to keep that.
I have my grandfathers whoplayed standup bass with Stan
Getz and big bands when he was,you know, in Brooklyn and you
know whatever, and so I havethis standup bass now in the

(56:13):
middle of my house.
So, anyway, I found this photoalbum that was wrapped in paper
and tape and twine and it wasone of those ones from the 70s
and if you're a kid from the 70syou'll know.
It was that big photo albumwith the little Instamatic
photos with the white frame.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Oh yeah, the little disc.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
With the little.
You know what I mean.
So the thing I took off thetape Obviously no one had
touched it, probably since itwas made and packed from my
mom's big old house, delphurn.
So I cut the thing open and Iopen it up and on the first page
is Eddie Fisher and ConnieStevens in love I mean staring
at each other, sexy, like.

(56:54):
Who took those photos?
What is that?
They were on a boat and theywere looking into each other's
eyes like I'd never seen themlook ever my whole life, because
I didn't grow up with him.
Yeah, and I'm like, oh, my god,this is like their love story.
Who made this photo album?
My, my grandmother, my, whomade it?
So I turned the page and it's ababy shower and I I'm like, ooh

(57:17):
, this is me, this is me, and Iturn the page and my father is
holding me.
And.
I've never seen that in my life,ever.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
How cool is that I?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
have never seen Eddie holding baby Jolie ever.
So I did have a greatrelationship with him and that's
a whole other story.
And so my sister's across theyard and I like, oh my god, you
have to look at these pictures.
So we're looking and she's like, well, there's not going to be
any of me.
And I turn one of the big pagesand there's Eddie holding baby
Tricia and Tricia has adifferent.

(57:53):
You know, we both.
It's a similar upbringing.
Obviously we're very close,we're like Irish twins, but our
emotions about it are differentand how we've handled it is
different.
And you know we're different,human beings as alike, as we are
.
So we see now Eddie holdingTricia.
And then I turn the page andit's Carrie and Todd and Jolie

(58:15):
and Tricia.
And I was was like, oh my God, Ididn't even know these photos
existed, I didn't know there wasa relationship there from when.
Oh, my mom was like, oh yeah,carrie used to rock you and
speak French and all that.
And I'm like who knew?
You know, interesting cut to1976 and the movie's coming out.

(58:35):
And somebody says to me and themovie's coming out, and
somebody says to me, your sisteris in that.
And I'm like my sister, I meanI knew I had one, but I don't
really know her.
I haven't seen her since I wasa baby, so I don't really have
memories of her and I hadn'tseen her on screen yet.
So I went to the Avco Cinema onWilshire and Westwood Boulevard,

(59:00):
which is now a fancy eye pickwhere you can order food and
cocktails and lay down and watcha movie.
But it was the old Avco Cinemaand it was like the week it came
out and I'm sitting there inthe dark and here she comes on
the screen in that white,diaphanous, you know, with the
buns and the whole thing, andshe's got a voice like we have

(59:21):
the same voice, like everybodysays oh my God you guys sound so
like um, and I was just like,oh my God, maybe I'm part
princess, you know, Right?
Um?
So we invited her over, my mominvited her over and she came
quite a bit in.
We lived in Malibu in thisrental house.

(59:43):
Again, people didn't knowMalibu was like dirty and salty
and sandy and it wasn't richpeople yet.
And we it was for financialpurposes that we leased out our
big property and all that.
And so she came over and wewere like it's a big sister, oh
my God.

(01:00:03):
And she's in the movies.
And then we decided to stay inMalibu and we took a real estate
agent and and my mom we wentand looked at a couple other
houses and we walked out ontothe deck of this Malibu beach
house, this little sandy shack,and my mom goes who's the
asshole who has a swimming poolon the beach?

(01:00:25):
And the lady said DebbieReynolds.
So we bought the house.
Oh wow, and we grew up nextdoor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
That is wild.

Speaker 3 (01:00:38):
It's a great, great story that is wild.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
It's a great, great story.
That is wild.
Well, I saw, I think, on yourinstagram, uh, there was a
picture of debbie and I can'tremember who else, but but you
had written, uh, mama deb ormama debbie, so at some point
you had that kind ofrelationship with her I mean
when there would be like stormsin malibu and the waves were
crashing and all that, my momwas on the road.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
We would go to eat popcorn and lay in debbie's bed.
I mean I think, people don't.
It's a great.
It's a great story to tell, butthe story of it is great.
These were like we weren't ed,eddie Fisher, collateral damage.
We were.
We had two broads that werelike amazing entertainers and

(01:01:24):
better mothers, but also wildlyflawed.
And these kids that sort ofcame together.
That that you know.
That grew in, it grew into arelationship that was important
to all of us.
And the loss of Carrie you knowshe tried to keep it together.

(01:01:46):
She really really did.
You know we see Todd, ourhalf-brother, now and again and
you know we are trying to repairsome damage withrie's daughter,
that we don't really knowexactly what happened because we
were all together and thensuddenly we weren't, um, but you

(01:02:07):
know we'll all come around it's.
It's like I said, it's a, it'sa blip yeah, it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
I just lost my mother in october.
She had a massive stroke.
She died on her 80th birthday.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Oh, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Yeah, and you know you were talking about how kind
of everything changes.
It was about a week after andit's such a weird thing to say,
but it was just a weird feelingto have in that moment.
I was sitting there and I go.
You know what I don't have amother anymore, like like

(01:02:45):
there's not a mother in thisworld anymore, that I go yeah
that's my mom and that, like yousaid, they don't prepare you
for that kind of stuff.
You know, your mom was alwaysthere, right?
And then all of a sudden oneday she's not and you're like,
ooh, wow, I am on my own.
Fortunately, I've still got myfather, who's 82.

(01:03:07):
I've spent Thanksgivingtogether, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:11):
I mean my mom said to me very recently I miss my
daddy and her dad's been gone along, long time.
So I think it's just somethingthat doesn't ever go away and
like we have to keep reshapinggrief, like like, let it creep
in and make it something elsetoday.
Make it, make it the reason yougo on, make it the reason that

(01:03:34):
you make somebody else smile,make make it the reason that you
go oh't seen my dad.
I'm gonna go see him yes makeit the you know it's.
It's gonna come in waves and itcomes.
You know it's.
That's the human condition youknow, you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I found myself, on thanksgiving, I found myself
looking at my dad when, morethan probably I ever have, like
when he would would be sayingsomething.
I was like doing my very bestto like make eye contact and and
to just be there with him in away that, before my mom passed,

(01:04:12):
uh, you know, you just getcaught up in the, the way you
usually do things then, and so.
So, before we go, jolie,because I have a feeling you are
going to run for office at somepoint, I hope so, and first, if
you do, I hope we can doanother one of these.

(01:04:35):
You can come back on if andwhen you decide to run, sure,
just off the top of your headand and without regard to even
what, what position or office,what would be a couple of things
.

Speaker 3 (01:04:50):
That, in terms of this, is why I, if I run, this
is why I would I mean, I thinkthe off the top of my head is
that you know we need topreserve the planet.
You know we're going in adirection that is is shortening

(01:05:11):
the life of this planet.
I'm not a big like, I'm not anenvironmental warrior, but I'm
like, hey, wait a second, wemight need to take a peek at
what we're doing, which is alsoconcerning for what's going to
happen in 2025 for my children,because, like I said to my mom,
you know, in voting this timearound, you're not really voting

(01:05:34):
for yourself at 86 years oldlying in a bed.
You're voting for the future,future of humanity.
You're voting for your ownchildren, but also the children.
You know, um, I want this placeto be safe for um, for for
women and girls and boys andtrans people and people of color

(01:06:00):
and everybody.
It's like I feel like we havegone into this territory where
we're not safe, so we so we may,maybe are going to start
guarding ourselves a little bitmore and not really going for it
.
You know, like I think that I Ihave to get out of that myself
right now, like it's going totake me a hot second.

(01:06:22):
I know exactly what you'retalking about but it's like oh,
it's so don't want to bedefeatist or deflated, I don't
want to be that, but I kind offeel like that right now I'm
going to like, like we said it'sokay to retreat for a minute,
you bet.
Then come back recharged andre-energized and I want to make

(01:06:43):
sure that I don't do that and Imodel that behavior for my
children and I model thatbehavior for the people that I
represent in my union and Imodel that behavior for my
girlfriends who are strugglingand they're, you know, trying to
trying to, at our age, redefinewho they are, because we say

(01:07:04):
there are more years behind usthan there are in front of us.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
And joy and joy, like I feel like we need to bring
joy back well, as I said to youin the very beginning of this
episode and I don't know that Igot it all on the recording but
I said one of the things thatreally stood out to me about you

(01:07:29):
you've got cool life storiesthat we've talked about.
Of course, the accomplishments,the things that make people
like me go so cool, right, butyou are just a good human being

(01:07:50):
because you can tell by lookingat the things you are involved
with.
You think about other people,and if there's one thing we need
more of in this world, jolie,it's people like you who think
about other people.
And so I think, running foroffice, I love it when people

(01:08:13):
use the I don't know if you wantto call it leverage advantage
of being known right, of beingwell known, and where you don't
have to start on that footing ofhaving people go.
Well, who's this Right?
They already know who this is,and that's a big thing.

(01:08:35):
That's a big thing.
And so to use that to get intothese offices, these positions,
where you can do more of whatyou are so good at doing, and
that's thinking about.
Okay, I'm going to be, you knowit's weird, isn't it?
At two years, I'm going to be60 years old and I'm like, holy

(01:08:59):
crap, where, where does it go?
But and this is this is kind ofit's funny to me my wife is 24
years younger than me, so she's34 years old, so I know she's
going to have a life after I'mgone.
Right, it's not going to beokay.

(01:09:19):
He kicked a bucket, so now giveme a year and I'm gone too
right, she'll have another life.
I've got two daughters, I'vegot a son, and so when you said,
you know, when you're that ageor this age, you're not voting.
So much for you, you're voting.
I'm voting for my wife and hernext husband.
You're voting.

(01:09:40):
I'm voting for my wife and hernext husband.
But you know, really, at somepoint you're like yeah, I'm
voting for them.

Speaker 3 (01:09:54):
Well, I appreciate you saying that about me as well
, that I think there are a lotof people out there who virtue
signal and you know callthemselves this or that, and I
think that out there who virtuesignal and you know call
themselves this or that, and Ithink that you know, with me I'm
like, you know, I like sparklythings, but I also walk the walk
and I and and I think thatmostly I'm liked there are a few
people out there that thinkotherwise, you know, and when I

(01:10:16):
come across them, I rememberEllen DeGeneres said to me, you
know, when she was doing standupand she said said everybody in
the whole room was laughing, butone guy was like folded arms in
the front.
You did the whole show for himyou know, right, so so I'm like
wait a minute, that persondoesn't like me, oh my god.
Well, how?
What can I do to change that?
You know, sure, and you knownot not everybody's cup of tea,

(01:10:39):
I don't know.
Whatever it's like, again, it'sthe.
We're here for a minute and youknow, do what you do, be be
true to yourself.
If you, if your listeners, likethis, pick up my book on audio
because it's me telling all thestories in my own voice and it

(01:11:00):
was a really interesting thingto to like actual, the actual
recording of it was weird, causeyou're like reading your own
words.
It wasn't, it wasn't aperformance, it was really just
telling the stories and and soit's available growing up Fisher
, on Audible and wherever youbuy your books on tape, and it's

(01:11:23):
a couple of years old now, butyou know it's, it's worth, it's
worth a read if you like thestories that we're talking about
today.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
And the audio book again, as you said, is is in
your voice.
Yes, and that's cool, because II like when that happens,
because you really feel soconnected to you.
Know, it's not a hired narrator, it's.
This is joely.
Yeah, so these.
She wrote this, but what shewrote came from within and now

(01:11:51):
it's coming out from within, youknow.
Yeah, you said one more thingthat I, before we go, that I
like about you.
You said I'm pretty sparkly,and here's why I like that you
are pretty sparkly and thereason I like that is sometimes
and everybody's got their ownway of doing things but

(01:12:15):
sometimes you will see peoplewho, when they decide to start
kind of giving back or doingthings for the less fortunate,
it's like they go through thisthing of deciding well, I have
to get rid of my sparkliness nowI have to be like one of the
people that I'm helping, right,and I'm always like no, you

(01:12:38):
don't.
The reason we love you so muchis because you were you and
that's you know.
We like that about you, sothere shouldn't be any guilt or
shame about it.
Still be you and just.

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I got to close it out with a hashtag Share the
sparkle.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
There you go, jolieely, it has been uh
wonderful.
Thank you so much and run foroffice you help me pick which
one.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Okay, it will bye-bye .
Great thanks so much.
Have a beautiful afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
You too.