The Secret Intelligence and Healing Power of Water with Veda Austin

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Tune in as we dive into the fascinating world of water with Veda Austin, a groundbreaking water researcher whose journey began after a life-altering car accident. Veda's path to healing through New Zealand's naturally alkaline waters sparked a deep exploration into water's mysterious nature. Her insights challenge conventional thinking, revealing water as more than a liquid—it’s a fluid intelligence with memory, capable of reflecting deeper truths about ourselves.

Discover the science and mystery of the fourth phase of water (H3O2), a liquid-crystal state crucial for cellular health and energy. Learn how light, materials, and even human intention influence water's behavior, offering profound implications for health, consciousness, and well-being.

We’ll also uncover how gratitude, positive intentions, and ancient symbols can transform water’s structure, enhancing its potential to support healing and emotional balance. Veda shares practical tips to optimize your water for health and inspiring stories of individuals who’ve experienced life-changing results through their connection with this essential element.

Explore water as not just a resource but a profound partner in self-awareness, healing, and connection to life itself. This episode will leave you with a renewed appreciation for water’s boundless mysteries and its intimate link to our existence.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
In this episode I'm speaking to Veda Austin.
Veda is a water researcher,public speaker, mother, artist
and author.
She's dedicated the last 10years to observing and taking
photos of the life of water andbelieves that water has and is a
fluid intelligence.
Whatever your thoughts areabout water, prepare to be mind

(00:23):
blown.
Enjoy the episode.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
We talk about water as a mystery.
The fact that we don't knowvery much about water means
we're still learning aboutourselves, and what I've seen is
that water reads potentials.
So when I put a seed into thewater, I see the apple.
If I put a sunflower, I see thesunflower.
And I always say if we couldall see how water sees us, we

(00:50):
would stop looking in the mirrorgoing.
I wish this, I wish I couldlook like so-and-so or I wish I
didn't have this wrong with me,all of the things that we
nitpick at ourselves.
Water just sees us as we are.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
Hello and welcome to the james granstrom podcast
super soul model series, where Ihelp you tune and tap into your
natural state of well-being.
In this week's episode I'mspeaking to veda austin.
Veda is known for her work inwater consciousness and her
unique exploration of water'smemory and its secret
intelligence.
She's just written a new bookon her life's work, which is

(01:24):
understanding the livinglanguage of water.
So I'd like to welcome to theSuper Soul Model Series Veda
Austin.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Oh, it's such an honor to be here.
Thank you for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Absolutely Joy to have you, veda.
So I guess my question isunderstanding water and the
depth and the material and thediscoveries and all the
photographs you've taken in,however long.
It's been way over decades foryou doing this understanding in
the map of consciousness and Ijust love to understand how did

(01:56):
your journey begin to wanting tounderstand water, because
you've gone into such detail inyour beautiful book and, as more
people will find out about yourwork, how did this journey
begin for Veda?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Well, there's kind of a long version and a short
version, and the longer versionincludes having been in a
horrendous car accident, andwithout getting into all of the
details because I think we havea lot of other things to discuss
, I ended up having a healingexperience with a specific type

(02:33):
of water here in New Zealand.
It was a natural, artisan waterwith a very high natural pH of
9.9.
And I had been, as I mentioned,in this car, this car accident.
Basically, we went under aseven-ton truck, rolled twice
and the driver died immediately,and over the course of 20 or so

(02:57):
years, I had eight surgeriesand three of them were for bowel
surgery because the seatbeltcrushed my internal organs.
On my final surgery, I woke upsurrounded by doctors, and they
said well, you didn't recover,well and now you have showers of
blood clots in your lungs andyou're going to have to be on
warfarin, potentially for therest of your life, which was

(03:20):
absolutely shocking to me, eventhough I was young, outside of
the car accident, injuries, veryhealthy, I didn't smoke, I
didn't do drugs, I didn't drinkand I looked after my body, and
so I was told I would die if Ididn't do this.
So I took warfarin, which is ablood thinner, for several
months until I had a clean chestx-ray.

(03:42):
And although the doctorssuggested to me you know you
really should just continue onthis potentially for the rest of
your life, I tuned into mybody's decision and I kind of
already knew that my body couldheal itself, because after the
car accident three doctors hadtold me I'd never be able to

(04:03):
have children and I'd alreadyhad a child for every doctor
that told me I couldn't.
So you know, I knew my bodycould heal and so essentially I
put what they told me on theshelf.
I didn't disregard it.
But I went on my own healingjourney and I spoke to a friend

(04:24):
of mine who was a medical doctorwho also practiced Ayurvedic
medicine, and he said if you canfind a natural source of
naturally alkaline water, itmight help to bring your body
back into balance.
And so I thought well, thatsounds easy.
You know the foundation of life.
So in New Zealand we have lotsof naturally alkaline water Most

(04:45):
spring water is naturallyalkaline and I put myself on
two-week trials and eventually Ihad a wellness center.
By this time A client said youknow, there's this guy, he's got
his own private source of waterand he's only giving it to
cancer patients, and maybe youwant to try some, and so this

(05:06):
was the 9.9 out of the ground.
Ph stands for power orpotential of hydrogen.
There's a lot more we can getinto about that, but that's not
what I want to focus on.
Essentially, three days into it,I noticed a really big change
in something many people don'ttalk about and that is bowel
motions, and after so much bowelsurgery I've become much more

(05:27):
comfortable talking about thesethings.
But things started to move in areally positive way and the
work.
So.
Much of the world is sodehydrated and they really
struggle trying to just havepass a bowel motion, so this is
something I think is reallyimportant.
But day 10, I noticed somethingreally big happen.

(05:48):
I had all these bumps come upon my arm and jaw that were
particularly painful and I endedup it's disgusting as it sounds
getting some tweezers and itfelt like there was something
actually coming out and I pulledthis little shard of green
glass out of my arm and betweenday 10 and 12, I had pulled 27

(06:09):
pieces of glass out of my armand that had been embedded in my
body for over 20 years becausethe man who died had a nightclub
and in the back of his car werecrates of Steinlager beer,
which is a lager in a greenglass bottle, and when the car
rolled, this side of my body gotmore green glass and this side

(06:30):
got more windscreen.
So I went into this deep diveas to what makes this water
different, went looking at ananalysis and all of these kinds
of things, and in the end Iended up asking probably the
most important question that Iam still asking, and the
question is what is water?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
What is water?

Speaker 2 (06:50):
What is water?
And to many that might seemobvious oh, it's H2O.
And I'm like, well, I don'thave any connection to those
letters, or H2O.
What is my connection tohydrogens and oxygen?
I mean, granted, we need thesethings for life, but tell me
something deeper than that.

(07:11):
And so someone said the twohydrogens are feminine and in
the mode of levity, and thelarge oxygen is masculine in the
mode of gravity, and togetherthey create liquid water and
balance on Earth.
But someone else said thatwater is actually only one part
matter, and that's the hydrogensand oxygen.
The rest is photonic light.

(07:33):
And when I started seeing wateras a lighthouse, a lot of other
things started to make sense andthe healing journey evolved on
its own.
And the healing journey evolvedon its own.
But from there on I startedbeing interested in the new
science of water, the fourthphase of water, as we have a

(07:55):
liquid, solid gas and a type ofgel or plasma, and that's the
kind of water that's in ourcells and it's the kind of water
that builds between a liquidand a solid and a solid and
liquid.
And so I started to look who'sdoing what about water?
And obviously you come acrossMasaru Emoto.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
And he, although clearly not embraced by the
scientific community at all, hiswork nonetheless opened people
to the concepts of being bodiesof water, sensitive to thoughts,
sounds and environment andenergy, and really helped people

(08:40):
with about eight contrastingmicroscopic photographs of water
, responding to either apositive or a negative, so to
speak, helped people to reallyidentify themselves as bodies of
water.
And that led me on to learningabout a man called Laurent Costa
who has a book called Journeyinto the Heart of Water, and he

(09:04):
was taking microscopicphotographs of water as well,
but there was no part.
This is what I love about him,because I can relate.
There was never a part of himthat was experimenting, because
for him the water was hisspiritual teacher and he saw
that water was responding, notjust reacting in the same way
that I have, and so he wouldinvite water to share whatever

(09:27):
water wanted.
But sometimes he couldn't helpbut smile at the water before
he'd flash, freeze it and he wasliterally out.
As well as getting geometrylike a moto, he was seeing
smiley faces, he was seeing fishand hearts and cats in the ice,
and microscopically, and theywere all things relative to
either his thoughts, that fromthat day, or cats walking around

(09:50):
near him because he had somecats, and I loved his work
because geometries, of course,are beautiful and we are
naturally attracted to them.
They make sacred geometry,makes the universe up, but art
is something.
And sacred geometry makes theuniverse up, but art is
something expressive, somethingunique, and it is a kind of to

(10:16):
me it's an intelligent languageand that just kept on leading on
to more and more researcharound what else is there?
More research around what elseis there, and I ended up wanting
to to see whether or not waterreally had what we, what people,
keep terming as memory.
But in all honesty, I I think alot of things are upside down

(10:38):
and I am constantly re-lookingat what I say.
Is that right?
Is memory right?
Maybe it's more from whatperhaps an Aboriginal person
might say.
It's actually water dreaming,it's actually water imagining.
I see that water is not limitedto time and space.

(10:59):
So it makes me ask much, muchdeeper questions, from seeing
all these people's work, as wellas hearing about a man called
Thomas Hieronymus who went intoa Parisian meat market.
So he was a radionic engineerand he went to this meat market
on a frosty, cold day and henoticed that the freshly placed

(11:22):
organs of an animal appeared tobe affecting the way the frost
froze on the glass behind wherethey were placed, like the frost
would freeze into the shape andform of a liver organ above a
liver organ, and so on and soforth.
And he had this hypothesis thatthere seemed to be some kind of
life force, energy stillemanating out of these organs,

(11:42):
even though they weren'tattached to an animal.
And he put this down to therebeing water in the blood.
And water is always in some kindof if you bear with me with
this word communication withitself in its varied forms,
particularly liquid and gas.
And so each organ has somethingcalled a sonic signature, which

(12:03):
is like a cymatic imprint ofform and function.
And that information was beingshared with water in the air,
and the water in the air wasgiven the conducive environment
of freezing into being able toshow the form of the information
.
And I took all of that, all ofthese things and these
experiences and put them intothis one question of okay, well,

(12:27):
let's just see what happens.
What happens if I do this?
The secret I saw was in thephrasing with the unseen becomes
seen, hieronymus was saying…what?

Speaker 1 (12:37):
you're talking about, when you're talking about the
fourth phase of water.
Is that correct?
Is that the bit where watergoes from a fluid or a liquid
and turns into something solid?
So, for instance, if we'retouching ourself, we know in
this physical reality, in orderfor us to experience life, we
need to experience physically.

(12:58):
And because water is a liquid,when it becomes a solid meaning
frozen we understand it gives usmore information.
Is that, is that correct?
And you tell me?

Speaker 2 (13:11):
no, no.
There is a liquid, a solid, agas, and then a type of gel or
plasma.
That gel or plasma, or what isalso known as liquid crystal, is
the fourth phase of water.
So, there are literally fourphases and it's the phase
between the liquid state and thefrozen state.

(13:35):
It is a visible state.
It's like a type of ice, exceptthat it has more viscosity and
it's actually not even H2O, it'sH3O2.
It has an extra hydrogen andoxygen atom.
It is negatively charged and ithas an ordered molecular

(13:56):
structure that is morelattice-like and hexagonal, much
like the molecular structure ofcrystals, which is why it's
called liquid crystal, eventhough it's not exactly liquid.
So, although it can look thatway, there's variations that you
see within fourth phase water.

(14:16):
And another example which ishelpful is when Dr Gerald
Pollack, for example, in his lab, when he's looking to identify
fourth phase water within liquidwater.
They have a little container ofwater.
They put something calledmicrospheres in it that allow

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you to see movement, and theyput a Nafion tube, which is a
little see-through tube and it'shydrophilic, so water loving
inside the water.
If there is fourth base waterwithin it, what they'll see is
that the water is self-propellsthrough the tube.
You can see it with themicrospheres moving, so it's

(14:57):
constantly moving without anyseemingly audience.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
could you just tell someone what a hydrophilic tube
is, because not everybody maynot understand what that is, so
that they can understand thisprocess like visually, if they
were listening to this?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Okay.
So imagine you have glass andyou have plastic side by side.
Yeah, you put water on glass aflat glass it will kind of
spread out evenly.
If you put water onto plastic,it pills, it makes little balls
and it doesn't spread easily.
So your cells, the walls ofyour cells, are hydrophilic or

(15:40):
water-loving.
They let water spread around itevenly, whereas for example,
something hydrophobic likeplastic, it tends to make water,
pill and create these kind ofballs so it just kind of falls
off like your windscreen.
You know, you kind of hit ithits it and it's because often
that'll have a kind ofhydrophobicness about it.

(16:02):
So the water is not necessarily.
That's some windscreens thatmight not be the best example,
because I've seen differentwindscreens do different things.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
I think this is a really good question.
To intervene here, justinterject here.
So the difference betweendrinking water from a plastic
bottle might cause thatinternally hydrophobic flow into
the body and then if you'redrinking through a glass bottle
it might be more hydrophilic.
Is that possible?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
I don't think I I think that the human body is
actually really sophisticated.
It can take whatever water yougive it and it will eventually
turn it into the kind of waterthat goes into your cells, our
body.
It makes it easier if thatwater has a specific structure
to be absorbed through the cells, and by that it's actually a

(16:56):
lot of people I hear say youjust drink this water, it's
going to make it morestructurally bioavailable to
your cells.
Well, that can be the case insome situations and not in
others.
And so when we're talking abouth302, so that fourth base water

(17:17):
, our body is constantly takingwhatever water you give it and
making it into that fourth phasewater once it goes into the
cells.
So our body runs on that typeof water regardless.
However, the better the qualityof the water is, the less your

(17:38):
body has to do to make thatconversion.
So plastic is not the idealcontainer for water because it's
hydrophobic.
There's all the other aspectsto what's in plastic and one of
the biggest problems outside ofbeing plastic is that it's

(18:02):
see-through, because water isreally sensitive to light and
artificial light.
It is far, far better to workwith water which has actually
been stored in a container whichhas been keeps the light out so
we can talk about other aspects, like there's about three

(18:25):
things I could suggest to peoplethat they can do practically
from a health perspective or ahealing perspective.
And structurally I see adifference between the same
water being held in plastic andin glass.
There is always a structuralmore of a structural degradation

(18:46):
in plastic and in glass.
There is always a structuralmore of a structural degradation
in plastic than in glass.
But it's also been proven thatwater held in glass can build a
little fourth base water on theside of the glass.
It's minute, though what they'reseeing is minute, and the
reason that it's there and thereason that it can happen is

(19:09):
that fourth base wateressentially is water that has
pushed all of the solates out ofitself.
Anything that's in the water ispushed away and creates a
negatively charged zone.
What it pushes out becomes apositively charged zone.
When you have a negative and apositive, then you have battery
essentially, and that is one ofthe reasons that it can

(19:31):
self-propel through the tube.
So they don't use hydrophobictubes to see whether or not
water can self-propel, becausewhat they're trying to see is
what is happening inside of thebody.
They're trying to see what'shappening within the water,
within the cells.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
So okay, now we're going to get so that's a very
lovely scientific understandingof the difference between
hydrophobic and hydrophilic.
I think what I would reallylove to do is to share with the
audience some of your ideas, ofyour pictures, some of the
photographs that you've taken,so they can understand why

(20:12):
you've gone into really wantingto understand the depth of how
water moves and its relationshipto us.
So you talk about in your bookthat water has memory.
You also talk that water has aconsciousness.
What does that actually mean tosomebody who might not know
what that understanding is, whenyou're using the word water and

(20:35):
consciousness?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
I think it's helpful for people to know that over the
course of the last decade Ihave been working as a water
researcher, as acrystallographer and water lover
and I have over 53,000 photosof water responding to human

(21:00):
consciousness to environment,and the way that it does that is
in a very visual way.
So I am essentially have aglass Petri dish.
I've used all kinds of water.
I put water in the dish to aspecific amount, I inspire it in
whatever way that might be,whether it's putting a feather

(21:21):
in and taking out, whether it'swriting a word.
Doing all of this, I freeze itusing a short-term method, which
means that essentially in myfreezer it's five minutes and 20
seconds.
I'm looking for water on top andice underneath.
We're capturing the firstfreeze.
That is that fourth phase stagewhere it's actually more of a
plasma.

(21:41):
I'm tipping the liquid away andI'm photographing the
crystallography that sticks tothe dish.
So it's a very short, very funmethod, but it allows me to see
imagery in a way in which I hadnot been able to see when I
didn't know better and I used tofreeze water solid for a year.
It has allowed me to see thedifference between a solid and a

(22:05):
liquid crystal and how muchmore information is shared in it
.
So, within that, what I see isthat water isn't just reacting.
This is not just a reaction.
I have some of the largestamount of repeatability in my
work specifically to hydroglyphs, which is a slightly separate

(22:29):
thing.
I have some of the largestamount of repeatability in my
work, specifically tohydroglyphs, which is a slightly
separate thing.
Yeah, so I see a signaturepattern that allows me to
identify the type of water it is.
I see art.
I always say art is the heartof water.
And from an artisticperspective you you know, I used
to work professionally as anoil painter, but I also studied
archaeology and I've also beenum in a lot of research and

(22:52):
development.
So I love to see the world froman artistic perspective and I
see that water can pick up onpeople's photos and faces.
For example, I'll put a photoof a friend, put my dish of
water on top of it for 30seconds, remove, freeze and I'll
see an image of their face.
And with different people'sfaces it picks up their

(23:13):
different features.
But I can then, for example,take my friend Wendy's face and
do that whole thing, see herface, then print out the ice
face and use that as aninspiration.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
So you're basically like doing a photography.
I study photography so it'slike the negative of the actual
photograph.
So what you're left with it waswhat of wendy's face?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
the negative of her face.
So what as she saw for her facewas the details, the lips, the
eyes, the back, the nose,everything there.
But when I showed water thatimage that it had created, it
designed a negative of thatimage.
And then I continued thatconversation actually, which is
with the water constantlyshowing it what it designed to

(24:02):
itself, and and it went.
Next, one where it becameslightly you could still see it
was the base, and the next onewas a little less, but then the
next one became even moredeveloped again.
So it's fascinating what'sgoing on there.
But in many cases I will have animage.
I'll let it freeze Sorry, I'llfreeze it.

(24:23):
I'll let it melt and then I'llrefreeze it and I can see the
imprint is still there.
Sometimes it becomes even moredefined, so you can do that for
weeks at a time.
So then there's hydroglyphs,and hydroglyphs are where I'm
getting a lot more of thescientific attention.

(24:43):
That's my be-all, end-all.
I love the interweave ofscience, art and consciousness,
but I've found that just to betaken seriously, it's important
to be able to work in this way,which can attract a lot of
different genres.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
For sure.
May I just say that I thinkthat you know, because you've
got done 53 000 photographs, ofwhich you published probably at
least 1500 in your book.
Yeah, at a bare minimum you'reprobably just taking the quality
.
Uh, it's lovely to be seen.
But you also, you know, your ownresearch has just proven to you
, more than over a decade, whatis this element saying to me?

(25:34):
And you know, we take water forgranted, we drink it every day,
we shower in it, we bathe in it.
It's the source of life, itallows us to purify ourself, but
at the same time it's just gotsomething else going on that we
just can't see underneath.
But you've gone into this suchgreat detail to understand what

(25:56):
is this thing and I really wantto hear about this hydroglyph,
the hydroglyph part.
But I have to ask you thisquestion because you said at the
beginning of this interview youwere like I keep on asking this
question, what is water?
And I'm just fascinated becauseI've been meditating every day
for 21 years and the mostprofound question that I've come

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across in my meditation, whichis just quietening the mind,
just entering a space betweenspaces now, it doesn't mean I'm
there all day long, but it mightjust be a minute a day that I
enter this space of totalnothingness, of total stillness,
and when we look at the surfaceof a pond, when it's totally

(26:40):
still, we just feel thispresence talking to us and on
occasion I might just ask who amI?
Who am I?
And in that I might receivesomething in the silence that I
get later throughout the day,and I always tend to ask that
question when life is a bitstressful or there's something

(27:01):
going on, because you want to bereminded of who am I and I
would really love to know haveyou ever asked water?
Who are you and have you evertaken a picture of it?

Speaker 2 (27:13):
um, well, that says kind of a few things in that
whole questioning.
Um, so firstly, I would saythat I think one of the things I
think about water is that wateris the house of the divine.
Yeah, and if you ask who areyou, you know as well.
One of the one of the integralpieces of how my work works, or

(27:36):
how this work with water works,is through light.
So if water was the holy grail,its contents would be light.
And if our body was the holygrail, then this spirit, this
consciousness, essentially wouldbe light.
But wherever there is there,the light is.
The water is also there in oneof its many, many phases.

(27:59):
And when I have asked water,who are you?
I got actual response in a word, in two words, two small words.
I got the letter I and then thenext one was A and M I am I am

(28:19):
Love.
So that's what I've done withwater, asking that question.
I think the study of water isalso the study of self, and I
think my friend Moses Hackman.
He says that the cycle of wateris also the cycle of the soul.

(28:41):
Whether or not that's true, youknow, there's many things we
don't know, but there's a lot ofnice things we can entertain
and I think that water hasencouraged me to entertain many,
many intuitive hits that it'sgiven me, intuitive hits that

(29:02):
it's given me.
But the cleanest, clearest,simplest way that I think about
water now, that I didn't use tothink about water when I started
this, was that water is thehouse of the divine.
It's like the container oflight, that that is the life
force, energy.
And one of the reasons thatI've said that and that I say
that was this person.

(29:22):
Once this indigenous personsaid that she could speak to
bees and she said she'd watchtheir hives for long periods of
time until one day a bee somehowcommunicated with her and said
we don't mind you watching ourhive, but please don't look at
it for such a long time, becauseyour conscious expression is
putting too much light in thehive and we prefer it to be

(29:44):
darker.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
And when you think about even where you're putting
your attention is also where youput your light.
Since water is a container oflight, this makes the most sense
of how water receivesinformation and also shares
information through light.
So if I open my freezer at theperfect time which I've done a
few times now, and you can'treally guess exactly when that's

(30:11):
going to be, it just seems tobe always a coincidence.
Somehow the timing is what itis, where I just open it and I
can see this, but I filmed itand I photographed it where, as
water's beginning to freeze it,she sends these little kind of
ice shoots out before it hastaken over the entire dish in
ice or liquid crystal and at thetip of that ice you can

(30:35):
literally see and photographlight coming out of the tip like
a halo.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
You're coming out of the fingertips, you mean.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
Coming out of the shard of ice that first starts
before any of the other ice istaken off.
And so I believe that actually,it's light that paves the way
for the design of the ice,because water is a lighthouse,
it's actually light that is thedesigner and the creator and
it's the water that becomes thehouse for that light and that

(31:07):
design.
And because it's water, itallows us to see what energy
looks like, it allows us to seewhat the information that was
shared with water looks like.
And many traditional sciencesthe water memory cannot be true,
because the water molecules aremoving in such chaos, they're

(31:32):
moving at some ridiculous amount, like one trillionth,
trillionth of a second Hydrogenbronze are breaking, and this is
happening and this is happening.
And how could water ever storeinformation in such a chaotic
state?
But then if you ask a quantumphysicist of which I have done
the same question you know, like, how does water have memory?

(31:54):
They would say well, actuallythere's a difference between
molecular chaos and molecularexcitement.
When water is excited aboutsomething which is going at
already a personality, I suppose, then there is a cohesive
interest, and that cohesiveinterest essentially is what is

(32:16):
able to create an impression ofthat as it raises.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
So we're seeing like snapshots of thought, literally
seeing thoughts crystallize andit's a thought with emotion, so
the thought with emotion createsthat personality in the water.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
When, when you get that snapshot, actually I found
water is more interested in whatwe're feeling than what we
think.
The thought with emotioncreates that personality in the
water.
When you get that snapshot,actually, I found water is more
interested in what we're feelingthan what we're thinking.
It will override what you'rethinking to show you how you're
feeling all the time.
If I'm really sad, for example,and I'm putting flowers into
the water to see if it willdesign the flower and taking it
out, water won't be interestedin the flowers.

(32:56):
It's only interested in whatI'm feeling.
It shows me sad faces like allday in the ice have you?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
um, I'm just fascinated with with some of the
subjects how, how's waterhealing?
I know we've talked about youwere drinking it with regards to
the 9.9 ph, and the usual isabout 7 7.2, so that's
significantly more alkali thanacidic.
Um, but, like, how could yousee water, having done all your

(33:30):
studies, as more of a heat usingfor for somebody on a
day-to-day basis?
How could they use it in moreof a healing modality than
perhaps they're already using itright now?
Because I'm sure that'ssomething that people could
really be like wow, I could, Ican actually do this.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I can experiment and see what veda's been talking
about there's a few examples Ican in suggestions I can give um
, and, and one thing I'lladdress because I didn't answer
the question was you asked meabout is water conscious or
consciousness?
And it's not something that Isay, what I think is possible

(34:12):
but I don't know.
I'm still learning myself.
But what I have seen is thatwater and consciousness behave,
it seems, so intertwined thatthey behave as one and that
there are many, many things thatI don't know but that I have
seen happens over and over andover again to come to a form,

(34:35):
that to be a formulation in mymind and in my heart that water
and consciousness either are onein the same or they work
together so intimately that theyappear one in the same.
So I want to address that part.
So, with healing, I think thereare many people that have been

(35:00):
using bottles that have words,you know, love and gratitude and
these kinds of things, orthey've been buying little
coasters with emotos likegratitude, water, crystal
pictures, these kinds of things,and that's certainly, you know,
bringing a conscious awarenessinto at least the container and

(35:25):
also recognizing the power ofwords, so that we didn't touch
on hydroglyphs.
So just to say that there's asignature pattern, an artistic
expression, and then hydroglyphs.
A hydroglyph is where I've useda written word in many
languages and seeing that samesymbol appear, using the same
word at least 50 times, whichessentially is sharing with me

(35:51):
kind of universal symboliclanguage and what sort of words
you use.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Your words, I think you've on your studies if you
use the words like change andwhat else have you?

Speaker 2 (36:02):
48 words that I've used, um, but within those 48
words there are other.
So each symbol has multiplemeanings and those meanings seem
to interrelate.
An example would be the starthat looks like a little star.

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
As I hide in the ice.
That can mean both light, itcan also mean guidance and it
can also mean imagination.
For example, that means I'vedone that 150 times, each time
50 times, to make sure that,yeah, I mean in my mind 50 just
wasn't random.
Change can also be winter, itlooks like.

(36:40):
It can also mean between.
So when I hear, say like 47, 48, I just can't remember because
it's a working thing, then eventhough I've got 48, say, then I
might have three or four of themeanings of that one symbol.
So that gives us a lot moreextra understanding, I suppose.

(37:03):
So that's kind of a big dealand it's very helpful for people
to be able to see these designs, because I have a PDF of them
all and when you do thecrystallography and you see them
, you go, oh right, oh yeah,that's what she's talking about.
I can see that same designbecause they are very

(37:23):
recognizable, all of them.
So for healing, because there ispower in the written word and
the spoken word, of course, butI've been working with written
words and that's not a new thing.
For example, the ancientEgyptians would make sigils and
within these sigils they wouldwrite some hieroglyphs on a

(37:48):
little bit of stone or on somevirus, and they'd put that into
a container of water and they'dlet that kind of brew for a
while and then they believedthat the water was absorbing the
energy of the word and thatgave the water a magical healing
power.
And then they would givesomeone to drink, or they would
anoint the the eyes if theproblem was the eyes or however

(38:10):
they would use it.
And even with homeopathy theydo something called a paper
remedy, where they'll write thename of the remedy on a piece of
paper and put the glass ofwater on top of it and then give
that to the client or thepatient to drink, and they
believe that it's informing thewater with the information of
that remedy.

(38:30):
And so these ideas are not old,they're not new, sorry.
They've been around for a longtime.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Even in Lourdes in France, they use that healing
water to help heal people, andpeople go on about the holy
water of Lourdes.
So it's a similar thing, albeit, you know, just fast forward a
few hundred years or a thousandyears.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Well, I think you know water has been informing us
for so long and healing us forsuch a long time, but then we
just got to come back into theinternal waters of our own body.
So, with words, one of thethings my children taught me
which is, I think, important tolisten to because it's found out
, it's not just my children,it's many, many children around
the world that are doing this.
So years ago, I was holding upa dish of water of

(39:17):
crystallography, sorry, and somy technique is available.
Anyone can do it, likethousands of people around the
world can do this.
You don't even need a Petridish, you can use a glass baking
dish.
So literally you can get my PDF,learn how to do it.
It's free if you use the wordblessing in the code as you
check out, but essentially it'san easy technique and when you

(39:41):
get the hang of it, there aresome really great things you can
do relative to healing with it.
So I was holding this dish ofcrystallography up and my
daughter said Mommy, can I havethat?
And I thought she just wantedto look at it.
But instead of just looking atit, she started to eat the ice
and I said what are you doing,and she said oh, it's good for
me, mommy.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
How old was your daughter at the time?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
She must have been about nine, eight or nine years
old, right.
But then her brother did theexact same thing a few weeks
later, separate to her, and he'sthree years older than her.
Okay, and why are you doing it?
And he doing it.
He goes, it's good for me.
And I'm like how come you guysare starting to do this now and
you weren't doing before?
And I don't.

(40:23):
I never really got an answerfor that part, and but every now
and then they would come backand they would.
They would either do itthemselves and eat the ice, or
they would just eat my ice.
And then I started teaching thetechnique to many, many people,
many of whom are parents, andthey say, oh, you know, my
children, they eatcrystallography.
And I'm like, really, so, domine.

(40:45):
And then, without getting intothe whole story there's a longer
story there was a few thingsthat helped me come to
understanding that there is apower that is coming from the
word.
It's not that water is readingwords.
It seems to be picking up onthe energy of these words and
reverse, engineering them backto some kind of living principle
in symbolic form.

(41:05):
So if we understand that and wesee that there's repeatability
there, then we could find ourword.
We have a body full ofintelligence and liquid
intelligence and within thatliquid intelligence is a well of
knowledge.
And if you pull from that wellof knowledge and ask yourself

(41:25):
what is my healing word, and youdon't let your brain get too
involved in that, a word willjust pop up, will spring up
literally, and for me I had aheadache, for example, and I
don't get so many headaches, soit was kind of a thing so I was
like, okay, what's my word?
And immediately purple cameinto my thoughts process.

(41:46):
I'm like okay, I wrote the wordpurple, put my dish on top of
it, froze it using the method,ate the crystallography, and
literally within five minutes Icould feel my headache going
away.
Now it's been over two and abit years since I've been
teaching people to do this andthis is just a little water from
your Petri dish.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Is that what you're saying?
Just a little bit of water.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
It's a thin layer of ice that falls on the pot, so
it's hardly any water reallythat you're just ingesting.
But you're eating it as it'sstarting to melt, so you're
eating it whilst it's still inthe form, so it holds the
information of that word, and byeating it, you're eating water

(42:33):
in form and taking it into yourown body in form and taking it
into your own body, and sothere's a and it's also in a
liquid crystal state, which isthe healthiest state of water to
eat, if you will, okay, and so.
So, within all of that and it'sbeen over two years there have
been, I have had over 200 peopledo this and I have so many

(42:58):
people telling me that it hashelped them with their health,
it's helped them with theirsleep, it's helped them even
with constipation.
One lady had a vaccine injury.
Very, very unwell.
She also had just a manner ofthings wrong.
At one point she couldn't walk,which I didn't realize.

(43:19):
It was as bad as that.
Every day.
She started with the wordconnection, because that's what
was right with her, and shewould eat the ice daily and she
started to see that she wasimproving.
She was doing the internal workof course don't take away from
that and some movement therapyto the point where she was able
to walk again.
And then, towards the very end,nine months, she did this for

(43:42):
an entire nine months daily andher words changed as she
improved and by the end of thatmoment she had a complete, clean
bill of health from the doctor.
She was well and she washealthy and she showed us
something really helpful becausewe were tracking her entire

(44:02):
progress and we noticed that shewas only using filtered tap
water, because that's all shehad available.
The filtered tap water in thestructures began quite spiky and
a bit disordered, but she waseating it no matter what.
Halfway through also, hercrystallography as well as her

(44:24):
health completely transformed bythe end of it.
It would create a creation with.
That is this beautifulwave-like pattern in the ice.
That's one of the most complexpatterns.
She was was seeing that everyday.
So not only did she heal, butthe water structures healed
alongside of her.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Right, so it was water, but it now changed the
picture that it was giving onceit was frozen.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Yes, yes, and what we're seeing with tap water,
right, is a structural change,but not a chemical change.
So the question is then whatare we seeing?
And this is very much more akinto an emotion, because an
example would be, if someone issick, that if we, we make the

(45:10):
likeness from tap water tosomeone who's been told they
have something wrong with them,there's some some sickness, and
maybe someone comes and givesthem a blanket and cares about
them and gives them a blanketand cares about them and gives
them a cup of tea, and theystart to feel better.
They like feel grateful, butthe doctor might say well,
you're still sick, but theycan't control how that person
feels.

(45:31):
And so the fact that we seestructural change in tap water.
After you've let it melt andthen maybe put it to your heart
for 30 seconds lovingly, we'llsee structural changes.
It starts to look more likeleaves from complete disorder,
or it might start to formflowery shapes or little
hexagons, and this isessentially showing us that

(45:52):
there is a change in structurecaused from gratitude or caused
from genuine loving intention.
So if that is the premise ofhealing, I think it's with the
best platforms to start is withan attitude of gratitude, and I
think we are creatures of habit,notoriously, so the more we

(46:14):
actually continue to be grateful, the more and more that subtle
imprint becomes more and more inreality and more solid.
So anyway, so the eating of theice by using the word that
comes from you, without too muchoverthinking, we've seen can
make a really big difference.

(46:35):
I think of liquid crystal kindor a liquid water, like the
messenger, but liquid crystal iskind of the message.
So you are literally kind ofeating the message.

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
So the other things, the people who really you know,
and so on a daily, day-to-daylevel.
Words can be also very potent.
You can write words and putyour glass of water on top of
them.
You can have bottles, but Ireally encourage people to have
a look at the kind of containersthat they have their water in.

(47:09):
These can prove to be reallyhelpful tools On my daily
drinking water.
I have water that's been in ablue glass bottle.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Not a blue plastic bottle, but a blue glass bottle.
As I mentioned, water is supersensitive to light.
I've seen the structures ofspring water degrade within 72
hours just by being in the light.
And so to have it, if you cancollect the spring water
yourself and, at the or at thevery least, just put your water

(47:42):
that you love into a blue glassbottle.
Now, this would be the onlytime that I would suggest
putting water in the sunshine,because water is very sensitive
to color as well, and so thesunshine coming through the blue
glass into the water not onlyhelps to restructure the water

(48:04):
based off my crystallographicmethod, that's what I'm talking
about from experience doesimprove those structures so
healing-wise, it's one of themost all-around wonderful
healing things you can do.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
It helps with everything from toothache and
headaches all the way to one ofits most important ones is to
help reduce stress and anxietyvery efficiently.
About this a long time ago indr joe vitality's book zero
limits, where dr hugh len uh,the, the teacher of ho'oponopono
, talks about.
You know the, the blue glass,but you photographed it, so now
you're seeing.
And you photographed it when,once it's crystallized, so
you've seen that it's nice, notthat someone's just shared the
message.
You've actually got your ownvisual evidence now to say, hey,
this is really effective and Ihave a little thing.

(49:02):
I have a little thing that I putmy water on.
I've got like the flower oflife here that I put my water on
to charge it up and have donefor 20 odd years, and I use the
blue glass and put it in thesunshine.
So it's very easy here being inSpain, but it doesn't matter in
any country Just that charge ofwater can be so powerful.
But it's so nice that you getthe visual evidence, veda that's

(49:25):
actually saying, hey, this isreally healing that we can do so
easily.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
I've had even more extended evidence for it.
I have a friend who's a brainsurgeon in the US been a surgeon
now for nearly 30 years andabout the worst thing that could
have ever happened to somebody.
Her best friend ended up on hersurgery table after having been
in a car accident and had apretty severe head injury,

(49:53):
varied other things going on,and, lady, I'm very grateful to
her because she's clearly, youknow, a very clinical, very
highly um praised surgeon inthis modality.
But she's very, very passionateabout water and quality of
water and very interested in mywork.

(50:14):
And she rang me and she hadn'teven thought about the time
difference.
But she rang at like 2 am andshe said look, this has just
happened.
I can't give her the hospitalwater, it just stinks of
chlorine.
You know what do you recommend?
And my first go-to was get thebest water you can.
I I personally love springwater.
If you can collect it yourself,even better.
There is a website could find aspring that helps you find a

(50:37):
spring closest to you andessentially put it in the
sunshine for in a blue glassbottle, in the sunshine for half
an hour, like half an hour toan hour, and then let her drink
it, and so she did all of thisthe next day and what she was
able to prove was that thislady's blood pressure was really
high.

(50:57):
What she was able to prove wasthat this lady's blood pressure
was really high After drinkingthe water.
Within five minutes, her bloodpressure had come down
significantly and that it wouldfollow that trend after she
would come back up again andthen it would go down again
after she drank this water andshe recovered five times faster
than most people with that kindof brain injury.

(51:18):
Whether that was it could havebeen other factors.
I'm not saying it's only theblue bottle water.
However, it was something thatshe applied and did regularly.
That seemed to make adifference.
This was my go-torecommendation for people over
the last few years that werehighly stressed.
It really, really does helpwith bringing the anxiety levels

(51:41):
down.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
So how does this sort of work with intention?
Then we have the understandingfrom your photographs and your
own experience with the blueglass.
But how does that now sort ofwork with regards to intention
with the water?
Because this is something,again, people can try and play

(52:03):
with and get their own resultsevery single day.
Because I love my audience toalways go away and go.
I've got something I've learnedhere you know that I can
actually apply, because we allkind of this is what your work's
all about.
It's like you know, talk to me,how does this, how's this work?

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I've become slightly a little unpopular with some
people from what I say, becauseI'm saying what I see.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
And, by the way, it's good to be unpopular, because
if you're unpopular and you'repushing buttons, and you're
pushing buttons that actuallyhave some sort of meaning, so
it's okay, because you have tohave yin and yang in the
universe.
You can't always have it uh,you know, hunky-dory.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
You have to have some contrast, so that's a good
thing well, I'm not too worried,to be honest, because all I'm
doing is telling them what I'mseeing.
Uh, but I get stent.
Every different restructuringdevice known to man and in the
the last 10 years it's just gonepow.
You know, everybody's got thisrestructuring, this thing and

(53:04):
this thing and this thing'sgoing to do this and it's going
to restructure and blah, blah,blah, blah, and some of them are
great and some of them don'twork.
And I can tell people straightup that the biggest structural
changes that I see don't comefrom any man-made machine.

(53:24):
They come from consciousexpression, 100%.
This is what I'm saying is thatpeople keep talking about
structural change and thischange and that change.
You are the restructuringdevice, if you want to call
yourself that.
I'm not saying people aredevices, but your conscious

(53:44):
expression has the completepower to transform these
structures with water and I haveseen tap water look like
perfect spring water byintention and by conscious,
loving expression alone, noother thing.

(54:07):
In fact, there's a certain wayin which water changes structure
.
When you're using a device whichkind of takes a certain pattern
to get to this point, whereasconscious expression is direct,
it doesn't take the order.
An example could be like withdisordered tap water.

(54:29):
It has like lots and lots oflines and dots.
It's kind of like legos thrownover the floor.
It hasn't formed structure yet.
Using a certain I don't knowsome kind of restructuring
device, for example, um you, youmight see it improve, improve
through a series of patterns, soit might go from disorder to

(54:51):
more kind of uh grassy patternsand then to flowery patterns and
maybe to eventually a hexagonalpattern, which is the pattern
you really want to see for theenergetic health of water.
Okay, whereas conscious, lovingexpression, you can go from
disorder straight to a hexagon.
And the reason that I'munpopular is because I see

(55:13):
people being told and I'm notsaying that sometimes, but some
definitely do actually help,especially vortexing, that
really does help.
There's certain ones I reallylike, but I don't want to take
away from our own internal powerand so we are also our own
medicine.
So anyway, I just kind ofwanted to add on to that part

(55:38):
and I also wanted to say that ontop of blue glass I like Myron
glass which is like a… Myronglass.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
What's Myron glass?

Speaker 2 (55:46):
M-I-R-O-N.
It looks black but it'sactually a violet glass and for
people that are working,especially with people in an
emotional environment or peoplewho are working with clients
sharing a lot of heavy energyit's like the force field for
water.
This glass is great if you'retraveling because it really is

(56:09):
very effective against EMFs.
It's like the shield that youcan have around your water so
you can be in an environment andstill drink your water.
It hasn't picked up on all thatenergy.
The myron glass is very helpfulfor that um, you put that in the
sunlight as well, because Ihaven't worked with that one, as

(56:30):
I think you, I think you, youcan and I think it would give a
slightly different structurethan the blue and have different
benefits than the blue, becausedifferent colors do change the
outcome.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
My friend and I like these different colors.
I think it was about 2004 or2005,.
We started putting all thesedifferent colored bottles out in
the sunlight in Wimbledon inLondon.
We were like this one is foreach different chakra, so each
color would do somethingdifferent.
Um, but we never were able totest it.
It was like how do you feel?
That's pretty good.

(57:06):
So you know, that was just theanswer that we got.
It was just a feeling, but it'sreally the intention behind it.
But I'm fascinated when you'retalking about the water, because
you know this, this is aprotective shield.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
That's interesting the other thing and you asked
about intention.
And intention is like I don'tknow I can.
I can explain it in likeartistic terms you have this
idea about your painting, butit's not maybe completely
formulated.
When you sketch, when yousketch the picture out before

(57:38):
you paint it, that's kind ofgiving you the outline for the
form, and intention is kind oflike a mix of the thought that
can become the sketch and it'sit's the potential that that the
imagined.
Once it's something has beenimagined, then it can become
something.
So I rurally, so we are not onmunicipal tap water where I live

(58:03):
and I have to drive to Aucklandto go and collect municipal tap
water, because I often workwith municipal tap water as my
controls Now, I don't even likethat word, but people know what
I mean by using the term becausetap water is a very
consistently disordered.
Municipal tap water tends to beand I've become very, very good

(58:28):
at being quite neutral withthis work.
So if I have a desired outcome,I usually won't do it, because
my desired outcome can influencethe neutrality of it, that's
the intention right there.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
You're expecting an outcome, and the water will
perhaps mimic what yourintention.
Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
but it can.
It depends what your intentionis.
Water is like a full liedetector test so have you also?

Speaker 1 (58:56):
I've got to ask this question because I mean, have
you asked water questions andhas it given you answers?

Speaker 2 (59:03):
I have asked questions.
I've asked really important,see, I don't.
I don't work with water unlesswith questions or with anything,
unless it feels in alignmentand correct.
But I've asked many questionsover the time that have felt
right.

(59:24):
But I kind of want to addressthe intention and then we can go
to the questions I've asked.
Because where I live I have todrive to go and get to the
municipal tap water and I can'tkeep the municipal tap water in
a cupboard out of the light andthen I work with it as I need to
.
And there's been several timeswhere I have been I've woken up

(59:49):
and I thought, oh my god, thatpoor tap water.
I just wish I could maybe sendit some love and some healing.
I like I feel sorry for itsitting there just in the
cupboard like without anyattention, and my intention is
like that I want to help it andI want to heal it.
And so it might be three, four,five hours later I come to go

(01:00:10):
work with that municipal tapwater and it's completely ruined
as a control because it's allbeautiful, All of it has
transformed from disorder intoorder just because I set an
intention for that, and that hasbeen my experience on a regular

(01:00:32):
basis if I just start engagingwith that water.
So intention is literally thesketch for your masterpiece.
It is so potent and so powerfuland it has to be genuine and
sincere.
And also, water won't designcomplex imagery in the mode of

(01:00:55):
anger, jealousy or resentment.
So it just doesn't design anyof these complex designs.
And I know that because youknow I'm a human.
I've been doing this for a longtime and we have traffic and we
have worldly things and I havechildren and sometimes I'm over

(01:01:19):
it and when I'm in a reallybowel mode, I, if I, if I can
actually do the work I have, I,I, I do it.
And I see that water does notdesign with me.
It's not judging me, but it is,doesn't resonate at a lower
frequency.
So I want to take.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
It makes sense, but it's a bit.
It's a bit like um, you know,think of the audience like you
know, think of you.
If you're in the audience, youknow.
If you go into somebody's room,you can just check to see the
vitality of people's plants,because their energy is
affecting the plants.
Or you look at people's pets,you know how happy are people's
pets, because the love that wegive, or the light that we give

(01:02:01):
off, or the energy that we giveoff, or the vibe we give off
which is just the same word usedin different ways, you know
just affect every living thing,even affects the walls, it
affects everything.
But we sometimes forget howpowerful we are just by showing
up.
That's why I always love to askmy clients when I first work

(01:02:23):
with them what are you bringingto the table?
Because if you're bringing alow frequency, you're not
bringing anything to the table.
But if you're bringing an openheart, if you're bringing an
open mind, if you're finding away to want to contribute, then
everything changes.
And if you're asking any artist, what are you bringing to the
table?
Well, I'm bringing some goodideas today.

(01:02:44):
You know, I'm bringing someexcitement and you can just tell
when someone turns up in a roomor in a dance club or a party,
like that guy or that girl.
They're bringing something andI'm not sure what it is, and you
know we have shows on thatcalled the x factor.
But if you don't say anythingit's just because they're
bringing the vibe and I lovethat uh experiment that you're

(01:03:06):
going that poor water.
I want to give it some love,even though sitting in my
cupboard you ruin your wholeexperiment and you know, have to
take your long drive toAuckland to go and collect it,
to go all right, okay, that'sthe 80th time that's happened.
Okay, maybe I'm going to trynot to send it any love.
I can see your frustrationbetter, but at the same time it
just goes to show over and overagain that when you have an open

(01:03:28):
heart, you change everythingyou do, and and I I love that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
What I'm seeing also is that water is wild and we use
this term.
Well, I'm going to program thewater to do what I want.
This is another reason I can beunpopular, because people are
quite attached to the idea thatthey are doing this programming
and that water is doing whatthey want programming and that

(01:04:02):
water is doing what what theywant.
However, from from anotherperspective like my father is
native New Zealand, maori andthe Maori people have a saying
that I am the river and theriver is me, and we are all one
in the same and there is alsothis sense of water essentially
being like a container of yourancestral line.

(01:04:23):
And just from anotherperspective, I've seen water
completely ignore me if I amexpecting that I know what it's
going to do.
It's one of the reasons I'vebecome so neutral over the years
Because, for example, I oftensee, with the sound of om, this

(01:04:45):
sort of spiral-ish pattern.
So I was thinking, oh well,surely it'll probably do the
same thing.
You know, if I use the sound ofa gong, it's kind of similar.
So, in my arrogance, I guess Ijust expected water to do that.
But it didn't do that at all.
Water was like it designed theshape of the gong with a mallet

(01:05:06):
on top and designed theinstrument instead.
So I have seen water have canonly be termed as personality
over and, over and over again.
But one of the biggest teststhat I learned was, years ago,
somebody wanted to know whetheror not water could be
manipulated or tricked, and thereason they were asking that was

(01:05:33):
because they had looked at victSchauberger's work, they had
looked at Nikola Tesla's lifeand all geniuses working in free
energy, essentially, andlevitation devices and all kinds
of really interesting things.
But the end of their lives wasso terrible they died in awful

(01:05:55):
situations and their work wastaken and could be used for more
nefarious reasons.
And so this person was saying,if we have a world of technology
with water of which I reallyhope we do can it just be
manipulated?
That was the reason I agreed todo it, and so you asked about

(01:06:17):
questions.
This is one of my questions.
I simply said to the water canyou please show me something
that's so beautiful Like itwasn't so much a question, it
was a conversation something sobeautiful and it's just between
me and you.
You know I'm not going to shareit with anyone, and I
immediately froze it before theguilt set in, because I'm not a
natural born liar, and so I knewthat I was going to share it

(01:06:38):
with that person that asked meand I knew it was an intentional
lie what I had done, but I hadto do that to try to see whether
it would respond how it wouldknow.
Sure, and so I'm feeling allthis guilt outside the freezer,

(01:06:59):
thinking I wish I had known,done this.
You know, I feel really bad.
I was working with spring water.
I was thinking it's probablyreally disordered now all of
this while it's in the freezer,and so I didn't even want to
pull it out.
Eventually I took it out andthere was some disorder.
But there were two letters inthe ice.
That spelt word and that wordwas known.
Is in the ice.

(01:07:21):
They spelt word and that wordwas known, and it was quite
shocking to me because there wassuch a clear response and then
water wouldn't design with mefor an entire week and I thought
I completely blotted wow, ohwow.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
I love this.
So you are literally talking toa living being with personality
and you know healthy boundaries.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
Well, I want to extend what happened.
And I was thinking I knowwater's not judging me.
This is not a judging thing.
Water is not of that quality,it's more of an observer.
I've seen that too many timesto deny that.
You know what changed.

(01:08:05):
I was so wracked with guiltwhen the owner it changed with
me.
When I forgave myself for doingthat, water started playing
with me again and water wasreminding me that forgiveness is
a superpower so can I ask howyou forgave yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:08:26):
because this is really interesting, because
people have challenges aboutforgiveness and sometimes go
through years with unforgivingor non-forgiveness.
How did you forgive yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
Well, I knew why I did it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
What was your process ?

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
You knew that you felt guilty, but how did you
release that?
I released it because Irealized that the only reason I
had done it was for a greatergood, yeah, and that my
intention was really to seewhether or not the world could
be a better place working inthis field.
I also acknowledge that peoplemake mistakes and that we are

(01:09:10):
allowed to forgive thosemistakes.
So, as much as we can be thehell in our body, we can be the
heaven, and I was able to let itgo and I thought well water,
accept me as I am, with all ofmy flaws and all of my stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:09:27):
Did you say that?
Did you say that water acceptme as I am?
Did you Brilliant?

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
I'm transparent to you, I cannot hide from you.
Therefore, I am what to you Icannot hide from you.
Therefore, I am what I am andthat's what I do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I am what I am because you know, those words
are very powerful and that wasthe first thing you said is,
when we go back to that questionwas who am I or who are you?
And I am so, okay, that'spretty magical that response,
that conversation.
So it was a week before you.
Uh, it started playing with youagain, was it?

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
well, you know it was like I think it was also a
realization is that I wasthinking that water was angry at
me and that was the wrong wayto think, because that is not
ever, ever been my experience.
In the same way thathydroglyphs began because my son
read a motos book when he waslike 11 or 12 12, and came to me

(01:10:30):
and said mom, I think waterhates me.
I'm like why?
And he said because water onlylikes John Lennon in classical
music and it hates heavy metal.
Therefore it hates me and I'mlike but I don't think you liked
heavy metal.
He said I don't.
But it also indicates thatwater hates swearing and
therefore water hates me becauseI like Tupac and Tupac swears.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:51):
And I'm like, oh, there is a danger in the
contrasts, because so much oflife has so many things in
between, and that, in his mind,suggested that water didn't like
things or it was choosing, andI get, I don't know, I can't
tell you how many times peoplehave asked me to engage in the
conversation of water, thecertain brands of water, a

(01:11:16):
particular brand of water thathas all kinds of words like
death and stuff on it, andthey're saying, oh, it must be
disordered, it must be terrible,it must be this, it must be
that and it's all our own ideas.
But water outside of the humanbody is far different than
inside of the body.

(01:11:37):
It is released from theattachments, the fears, the
concepts, the ideas, so we getthis real purity within it and
within all of that.
Anyway, I can really go offtopic, I think.

(01:11:58):
But we come back to its essenceand what I realized was that
water is not judging me, I'mjudging me, and that is always
the issues that we have.
Our issues tend to come from ouroverthinking about things from
the past or overthinking aboutthings that might happen, rather

(01:12:18):
than being in this presentmoment, being grateful for the
fact that we actually can move,we can breathe, we are not on
life support.
We have the ability to go walkin the forest or whatever things
are there to just stay in anattitude of gratitude keeps you
in that moment, and so I'vealways said I thought heaven and

(01:12:43):
hell were within us, and we canget to choose which one we're
going to be in by what we aregoing, where we put our energy
and where we put our light.
It's like that American Indianproverb around the the two
wolves that are constantly inbattle and the one that's going
to win is the one that you feed.

(01:13:04):
And those two wolves are theones of which are essentially
kind of the thinking ofpositivity or the thinking of
negativity, and it's all thesame thing.
And so what I'm seeing withwater is that the forgiveness
part it's kind of like water islike this reflection of a divine

(01:13:33):
love whereby you're not beingjudged, because we do a great
job of judging ourselves reallywell.
Ask anybody who's ever muckedup something.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
You know we all make mistakes but at the same time,
you know, we also judge othersand we are sometimes unaware
that we're judging and getcaught in judgment and in doing
so we disconnect from our ownenergy, our own life force for a
moment or two, and I call itthe green light, red light
syndrome.
So you don't realize.
But that judgment just sticksyou in the red light category,

(01:14:07):
where you're not getting flow.
And when we like to think aboutwater, we like to think about a
fluidity, and the green lights,for me, resemble that flow, and
when we're caught in judgmentit's kind of like we stop that
flow for the moment well, younever know what somebody's gone
through to get to the pointwhere they might be behaving the

(01:14:27):
way that they are for surethere was.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
The last thing I would say has been a really
helpful healing thing that a lotof people can also do.
Um, it would be.
I used to have a wellnesscenter and I I have some gifts
of healing.
I no longer have this.
It's been a long time since Ihad that, but I I did this thing
called it sounds awful, butlike electrical acupuncture.
So I I was able to put whatfelt like a bit of an electrical

(01:14:53):
charge, uh, onto into people.
I'm able to see energy aroundliving things and I would focus
on wherever there was like adull yellow color, because that
was the area where things werestuck or there was sickness or
the potential of sickness.
It was often stemming fromemotional things not being able

(01:15:14):
to be moved, like being stuck.
Not being able to be moved,like being stuck, not being able
to let go or forgive.
Now the patient would be lyingdown and I would say, okay, and
this is particularly good forpeople that don't like to talk
about their problems, which is alot of people actually.
They really would rather justnot, and so I would see that

(01:15:40):
dull yellow color often aroundthe pericardium of the heart.
And my daughter is very wise,beyond her years, and she said,
mommy, you know we have theweather inside of us.
So when she was really upset, Iremember she was like four and
she said, mommy, and she wascrying, mommy, I'm raining, and
I really loved the way she sawthings, but it made me think

(01:16:03):
further and think.
I think.
Firstly, I think there are morephases to water than four.
I think there are many more.
I did a podcast with RobertEdward Grant in the last few
months and he agreesmathematically, there must be
more phases to water, and Ithink one might well be a
vibrational type of vapor that'sdirectly connected to
consciousness or the spirit andsoul.

(01:16:23):
Anyway, that's a separate thing.
So this idea, then, is that wehave all of these different
stages of water, or phases ofwater, in a subtle level within
our own body.
Water or phases of water in asubtle level within our own body

(01:16:44):
, and because I see so muchemotional things get stuck
around the heart, um, I see itas an ice wall, it's like, and I
feel it in my hand andsensitively as cold, as freezing
cold and I'm often drawn there.
There's a sometimes it's otherplaces, but it's usually around
the heart.
And so I say to these peopleokay, imagine that my hand is

(01:17:08):
the sun and that around yourheart is this ice, and the aim
is that we are going to slowly,quickly, however it works melt
the ice, and people can do thisfor themselves.
So you get your hand, you getit, all the energy goes through
into your hand and, imaginingthat it's the sun, and you place
it over or on the heart untilyou start to feel this melting.

(01:17:32):
And I can feel it because I'msensitive.
But people can also.
It told me that they also cankind of feel this and I watch as
their stomach starts to getbigger and they get more and
more uncomfortable because theyneed to go to the bathroom.
It's actually really quitequick how fast it works once the
melting happens.

(01:17:53):
The actual melting part can takea little while, and once
they've gone to the bathroom,they usually come back and they
say you know, I can't believehow much I just urinated.
I know I didn't drink that muchwater.
I don't normally go to thebathroom for that long, but it
was like this flood just cameout of me, and so I've done it
for myself, I've done it formany, many people, and if you

(01:18:18):
visualize that you have allthese different states of water
and that where you are holdingon to with your pain is where
your pain is, that it can formand get stuck as ice in the most
uncomfortable uh phase, forwater as a as a living energy is

(01:18:38):
ice because it's not reallymoving very much, only in minute
, little tiny areas perhaps.
So to be able to let it melt in,the melting releases all of the
information and it is able tobecome a liquid and then to flow
through the body.
So this has been a very, verysimple and helpful thing that

(01:19:00):
I've found relating to water.
And then you drink water thatyou've infused with all your
love and your kindness.
You know it's like I thinkthings can be very simple.
We make things very complicated.
Everything I've just sharedwith you is basically free, but

(01:19:20):
it requires you to show up foryou yeah, it's like what are you
bringing to the table?

Speaker 1 (01:19:24):
what are you, yeah, able?
Um, that has been enlighteningspeaking with you.
Thank you for sharing yourinsights and your work with
regards to water and the mysterybehind water and no doubt will
always remain a mystery, becauseit's that beautiful energy that
we won't ever truly understand,and maybe it's not our job to

(01:19:48):
understand, maybe it's just ourjob to be thankful for that.
We have this beautiful mysterythat we use every single day but
sometimes just negate itsbeautiful simplicity.
If people wanted to know alittle bit more about your work,
I'm going to have all the linksto your website and your tours

(01:20:10):
and your book underneath.
But is there anything thatyou'd like to share for people
to take away?
Maybe to consider about waterthat you haven't mentioned, that
you just think, hey, this issomething that you can take away
and, even though you've donethese wonderful in-depth studies
, just another simple way totake away.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
I think one of the most helpful things that I find,
and that I share with adultsand children alike, is that, by
molecular count, not by volume,you're 99% water, and there are
more water molecules in yourbody than all of the stars in
the perceivable universe, andevery single one of those

(01:20:53):
molecules is emitting more lightthan anything else.
So you are walking already inthis path of light simply by
being a container of water,salts, minerals and
consciousness.
Everything that you have beenlooking for outside of yourself,
it really is within you, bothphysically, emotionally,

(01:21:18):
spiritually, practically.
Our eye lens is 99% water.
We are seeing the world throughthis lens of water.
We talk about water as amystery.
The fact that we don't know verymuch about water means we're
still learning about ourselves,and what I've seen is that water

(01:21:38):
reads potentials.
So when I put a seed into thewater, I don't see the seed in
the crystallography, I see theoutcome of the seed.
I see, for example, if I use anapple seed, I see the apple.
If I put a sunflower, I see thesunflower.
If I see a apple, if I put asunflower, I see the sunflower.

(01:22:01):
If I see a flaxseed, I see theoutcome of the flax pods.
Water is reading your highestpotential constantly.
It's already seen you in yourmost formed and expansive state.
The more we go into the study ofwater, the more it is that we

(01:22:23):
go into the study of self andthe study of spirit.
And when we actually and Ialways say if we could all see
how water sees us, we would stoplooking in the mirror, going I
wish I could look like so-and-soor I wish I didn't have this
wrong with me, all of the thingsthat we nitpick at ourselves,

(01:22:44):
what it just sees us as we areand it sees through the skin.
You know, I say to children atschools, when I go into school
and do a mix of science and artprojects with them, I say, if
your skin was invisible and yourorgans were see-through, what
would you look like?
And they always come back asrivers and streams and
waterfalls and tributaries, andone boy said he looked like a

(01:23:07):
brain-shaped cloud withelectrical rain shining down in
the shape of a person.
I think about all of the thingsthat water has taught me, like
transparency, like non-judgment,like light and love and
inspiration and imagination anddreaming, and I realized that

(01:23:33):
actually everything that isalive has water within it and
the marriage of salt and water.
That's such an intimate thing Icould speak for a long time on
but, I, won't, because we'reabout to end the podcast, but
the thing we're made of salt iswater and consciousness.
From that perspective, there'salso no death within that.

(01:23:59):
Water doesn't die, it only goesfrom one state to another state
.
It's only ever transitioningfrom one thing to another.
Salt well, you put salt intowater, it disappears.
You could say it's gone.
But when the water leaves, oh,there's the salt crystal still
there.
When someone is cremated, theashes are actually salt, so it

(01:24:20):
doesn't even quote-unquote diewhen you burn it.
And then consciousness, oh,clearly, science still can't
even figure out what exactlythat is.
So we're made of water, salts,minerals and consciousness,
these immortals.
And for me, water takes eventhe, these worldly fears.

(01:24:42):
I still have some, of course,but it has so helped me when you
, when you work in the field ofwater and you study it,
philosophically and physically,things change and you can't help
it.
It just does in a positive way.
And I do hope that in thefuture I can see that there
already are many, many thingsthat are going on and I know

(01:25:05):
what they are behind the scenesto have a world of technology,
of water.
We're really looking towards afuture that can be something
very bright.
So, within all of these aspectsand the fact that I do think
water is the house of the divine, then you are a house of the
divine, and inside of the wateris the divine and inside of you

(01:25:28):
is exactly that too, and that'severyone in all life.
So hopefully that's a littlesomething, something for people
to take away.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Thank you, veda.
Thank you for sharing and howeloquently spoken about this
beautiful source of life, waterthat we often take for granted.
But now we can appreciate,perhaps after listening to you,
at an even more profound levelthan just the way we see it as
just something you bathe in orbrush your teeth in or drink.

(01:26:00):
Thank you so much for being onthe show, veda.
Austin is this week's supersoul model.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:26:10):
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