February 23, 2023 • 30 mins
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In this special conversation, we share some important announcements about transitions that all three members of the Joyous Justice team are embarking upon. In this season of emergence and introspection, all of our transitions are both unique, and sacredly timed and interwoven. April also describes how she’s releasing shame around how her mind works. And, we share our appreciation for Joyous Justice, this podcast, and the potent transformation that we’ve experienced and is to come.
Discussion and reflection questions:
- What in this episode is new for you? What have you learned and how does it land?
- What is resonating? What is sticking with you and why?
- What feels hard? What is challenging or on the edge for you?
- What feelings and sensations are arising and where in your body do you feel them?
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Discussion and reflection questions:
- What in this episode is new for you? What have you learned and how does it land?
- What is resonating? What is sticking with you and why?
- What, if anything feels hard? What is challenging or on the edge for you?
- If relevant. what feelings and sensations are arising as you reflect on themes from this episode, and where in your body do you feel them?
- What key insights or strategies are you carrying forward and how do you want to weave them into your living and/or leadership?
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Hi friend tuning in. We have aspecial conversation that we
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want to have today with eachother. And with you, we have
some announcements and updatesthat we want to share and a
little bit of reflection that wewant to do together. As you will
hear us discuss more in thisepisode. I really love how some
(00:27):
of the joyous justice teammembers rhythms and journeys
right now are tracking verypoetically and beautifully with
patterns in nature. So withthat, let's dive in and
(00:52):
You're listening to the JoyousJustice podcast, a weekly show
hosted by April Baskin withTracie Guy Decker, in a complex
world in which systemicoppression conditions us to deny
others and our own humanity.
let's dedicate ourselves to thepursuit and embodiment of
wholeness, love and thriving inthe world. And in our own lives,
it's time to heal and flourishour way to a more joyously just future.
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Alright, Tracie, so my thinkingabout this episode has evolved a
bit a bit as I shared before, webegan recording and as we
included in woven to the intro,but I'm still thinking that it
makes sense to start with yousharing an update. And then for
me to also share a coupleadditional updates, and then be
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in conversation about that abit. Because I think that
our friends listening in bothcare about us and also
also care about the meaningwe're making of the terrain that
we are navigating both in termsof challenges and opportunities
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and making space for newpossibilities. That sounds great
April.
So for For my part, we havetalked on the show before about
the advice that my mom gave mewhen I was a kid about always
trying to move toward what youwant and not away from what
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you're afraid of.
Yes. Andlately, nothing is seriously
wrong. So I just want to likeanybody listening, like, Don't
worry, like I am okay, andeveryone in my world is okay.
But we're not great. And I'mpulled thin in a lot of ways.
And I'm realizing I actuallydon't know what I want in order
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to move toward it. And so,April, you already know this,
but for our listeners, I askedyou, I let you know, I was
thinking it's a good idea for meto sort of pull back from some
of the things that some of mycommitments so that I can spend
more time with my family andmyself and kind of figure out
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what that is that I want so thatI can move toward it.
So with this episode, we'reannouncing that I will be taking
sort of a half step back from myduties such as justice, not a
full step, I'll still be aroundbackstage, but no longer no
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longer in the spotlight, atleast for a little while. So
that's my sort of announcementand my thinking behind it.
Yeah, thank you so much forsharing that Tracy Shrimati. I
just think it isthoughtful and courageous and
models what we talk about andchampion here at joyous justice,
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which ishonoring and championing the
fullness of our humanity. Andhaving big dreams and goals and
what helps to facilitate thosebig dreams and goals is really
deep care. AndI appreciate your mindfulness
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around this and choosing toprioritize some of what matters
most. I have some of my ownthoughts to share that are both
different and aligned with whatyou shared Tracy but before I
start to share some of that isthere anything else after like
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having a pause hearing what Isaid that you additionally want
to say about this in particularway? I think that there are some
things once I share my bit Ithink there's some conversation
for us to have but I wanted tomake space
If there's anything else thatsurfaced while I was talking,
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I'm not exactly sure. This isn'ta fully formed thought. But I've
been thinking a lot and readingabout
the role of a Sofia. Like, whathappens if a scribe makes a
mistake in a scroll.
And like I had the mistaken,understanding that if a scribe
makes a mistake, they have tolike scrap it or not, but bury
it and then start over whenworking on a torus, well, that's
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not actually true. Like you canscrape off and fix the mistake,
except in God's name, God's namecannot be erased, we don't, even
if there's a mistake.
Andsomething about that is really
resonating for me in the idea oflike,
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starting over and correctingcourse, correcting
that which is human, and thatwas just divine is what it is,
and sort of stays as a constant.
And that's feeling reallyresonant for me, as I'm trying
to figure out what's next. Andsort of, to your point, like
focusing on what matters andwhat doesn't change. So thank
you for the opportunity forsharing. That's what was cooking
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in my head while you weretalking?
Wow, I just, you know, I gotfull body chills when you shared
that I reallyI don't think it makes sense for
me to fully go down that avenue.
But I would say as you said thatjust now it, it's so resonates
with core themes that I've beenthinking a lot about around.
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And at least for me, and I don'tknow about for you, you know,
like I thinkabout, okay, this is the models,
these are some of the modelsI've been using right now, I've
been using today. And I thinkit's time for new models in
different ways or revisedmodels, and some of my models I
love and there are other oneswhere I want to radically shift
them, which is what you know,which is a little bit of my
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update, which is to say thatTracy just shared this update,
and again, Shrimati. And wehonor that. And you are not the
only person with updates on thejoyous justice team, everyone
enjoys justice. But all three ofus have updates to share. But
basically, each of us in our ownways, are in a process of
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emergence and sacred reflectionat toward the end, mid end of
this winter season. And startingto move into spring and for each
of us in different ways, asTracy shared, and also feel free
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to correct me Tracy like there'scertain things for you that feel
not visible yet like below theground surface. And I would say
for me, some of its visible andalso some of it is also
subterranean that has yet tosurface I can feel its presence.
And I don't fully know what itis. But I'm going to need to
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step continue to move forwardand step into this season of
emergence and introspection. AndI'll talk a bit more about that
specifically in terms of what iscooking and shifting for me. And
so Sarah will share someupdates. But Sarah too, is
moving on from the team. Soright now, as Tracy shared,
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Tracy is taking a break for abit is taking mostly a step back
is still going to be helpingwith some things. And Tracy is
still going to be in the joyousjustice orbit which is great,
but in a reduced and simplifiedcapacity so that she has space
to focus on other things thatare really sacred and important
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and need some additionalattention. And Sarah is ready.
After two wonderful years ofcontribution and growth and
leadership on the Joyce justiceteam. Sarah is going to be
stepping into her nextprofessional adventure, which
makes sense and we'll see howthat continues to evolve for
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them and they will share or haveshared.
By the time most people listento this, they will or will have
shared more in their own words.
And we'll let them we'll letthem manage that as they choose
and want to. Andall of this feels
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obviously bittersweet in someways and also really potent and
sacred for me.
Because as I have one teammember departing Oh, but also
yay, spread your wings and flySarah. And as Tracy is taking
more time. It's creating spacefor me to fully acknowledge that
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I They have been in a massive asTracy and Sirika. Both affirm
and they've been so great aboutit. I've been in a state of
metamorphosis for like at leasta year and a half to two years
now ever since I before andespecially once I joined my
coherent ordination program, andI am moving toward ordination. I
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go ahead and priestess program,and I'm moving towards becoming
ordained, this August, Goddesswilling. And
for my coconut project, I did alot of work around my indigenous
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coming home work around more,more deeply integrating the
spiritual and intuitive lineagesthat are a part of the fullness
of my existence into my day today living. And that has meant a
number of different things. AndI have shifted and we've shifted
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our content in different ways.
And I've been able to you know,I've been very clear about the
purpose of this company ofjoyous justice since I started
it. And I was very clear when Ifirst launched it that I wasn't
ready to be fully open about it,I wasn't the person and the
leader who was fully ready tofully own and lead that body of
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work. And yet, I knew that wasmy path and my calling.
And that I needed to step intoit and get ready along the way.
And I've been doing that gettingready. And I've reached
different milestones.
You know, Tracy and I had awonderful sacred experience over
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a year ago, almost exactly ayear ago, a little over a year
ago, as we've each been on ourown journeys and took time to
visit the mikvah together. AndI'm approaching I don't know
about for you, Tracy. But Irealized this morning, as I was
talking to one of my trauma peercounselors, they actually raised
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it and it was coming up indifferent ways. I had the
thought. And then beloved RabbiCarrie Chaplin posted how they
had gone to the mikvahwithin the last week, and how
amazing it wasn't, I was like,Oh, are they when I was I didn't
fully catch like, this is adivine breadcrumb like this is a
synchronicity. And then I sharedas a part of the new and good
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portion of, of my check in withmy trauma counseling one of my
trauma counseling buddies, thatthis week, I've I've, I've
experienced what feels like atleast two, if not three,
massive, spiritual andprofessional milestones around
clarifying who I how and who Iwant to be and how open I am
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about the fullness of, ofdifferent parts of me. And and
they said, and they come from adifferent tradition, but all
traditions have these moments.
And they said, you know, how areyou going to honor that? How are
you going to celebrate that? AndI'm so in the flow of the
ongoing emergence. I was like,Oh, you're right, actually,
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like, it's still, I will stillbe I will forever be in a state
of becoming and and now this isthe third time like, okay, you
know, the magic three, this isthe third time this week now.
First, I got the nudge, thenRabbi Carrie Chaplin affirmed
this. And now my partner issaying what bridge? And I was
like, ah, you know, and I thinkI think I want to
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think I had this thought, and Ithink I want to do a mikvah
experience in the ocean to honorsome of these things. So
I don't want to take too muchmore time. And I feel like I
haven't actually said my thing,which is so me, but that's one
of the things that I'm workingon embracing now is rather than
is releasingsome of the shame. I feel around
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how I'm different than how I wasconditioned to be I think that
that is the next or the currentfrontier of my ongoing
rewilding re indigenization.
decolonization, the assimilationprocess is no longer shaming how
my mind works. And I'm actuallyreally curious to see and I
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tried this out yesterday in ourgrounded and growing program.
And I was able to see in realtime on that call, the
brilliance that was able to comethrough when I wasn't
trying so hard to press myselfinto a mold. That is not me. And
it's so obvious when I say itlike this now on the other side
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of the insight, but when I wasnavigating it, I didn't, it
didn't feel like internalizedoppression. It felt like it was
wasme trying to be responsible and,
and the best leader I can be.
And I just noticed, actually, Ithink this is not helpful. And I
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think it gets in the way in alot of different ways in my
living and leadership. And so Iwant to engage openly in a
process of rewilding. Andby that, I mean,
there I, and I've been trying todo this now for a year, but I'm
more ready. I'm more solidaround other parts that I was,
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in the process of becoming havesolidified within me now. And I
feel a lot more whole. And likeI've been staying, and not even
consciously, subconsciously,I've been staying small in
different ways. And starting tofeel resentful about different
things happening or nothappening around me. And I'm now
noticing, in the midst ofdifferent shifts happening and
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things happening, that this is atime where I can start to
release barriers that were stillin place within me that I didn't
I wasn't even fully conscious ofthat I now see. And I'm like,
these aren't serving me anymore,and have space to step into my
power more and release someadditional, persnickety and
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visible now not invisiblechronic shame. Maybe still a
little invisible at times, butstarting to notice, like, oh,
that actually that thought isn'ttrue, which doesn't mean I can't
still adapt. But what does itlook like when I start to lead
on this podcast in any context,context over email and any
number of spaces when I'm nottrying, when I'm not coming from
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the frame, implicitly orexplicitly that the way I'm
doing it is wrong. And said,Actually, maybe what I'm doing
is just fine. And let me liveinto that. And let me Let that
energy move through me. And thenfrom there from a place of
appreciation and fullacceptance, see what comes
through. And it might be exactlywhat it's been, or it might be
something new. But I haven't hadtime to do that. Because anytime
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I started to be that full partof me, I shut it down, because I
mislabeled it as wrong. So, youknow, I'm going to pause here
for a second and invite you toshare other thoughts, Tracy, but
my sense is, is that for Sarah,Tracy, and me, these are so
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into individual and specific andSacred Journeys and details,
much of which deeper detailseach of us have entered
necessarily, might notnecessarily go into, that are so
specific to us and our lovedones and our dreams. And there's
also something about this thatjust feels so aligned to me with
the season. And I suspect withother experiences, whether it's
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around similar or differenttopics, like right now, for all
of us, it's definitely at leastin the, in the professional
sphere. And I think for all ofus, it's also showing up around
personally who and how we wantto be and how that then gets
mirrored back in the ways thatwe are doing our work and
leading, but I suspect thatlikely, for those who are
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listening in for you listeningin that these themes have
relevance for you to whetherit's for you or someone in your
life, whether it's aroundbusiness, or a relationship or
some other facet of what you'regoing through. So I wanted to
note that, that both likeindividual and collective
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uniqueness and also universalityof some of these themes that
also align withflowers starting to bloom and
plants starting to bloom orthings starting to warm below
the earth.
So there's also an aside therethat I won't get into about the
impact that global warming hason seasons, but still that just
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this just feelsspecific to each of us and also
like a shared it's not auniversal but something that we
are not alone in about reallyappreciating where we have been
and also noticing that needs andthe various things external and
also internal to us have shiftedas we've been in a state of
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evolution and we want to takespace and time to live into that
and give that space to bloom andthen
figure out where we how we movefrom strength to strength. For
me, I'm really thinking aboutthat return to like the core.
The core competency as a coreneeds the core one you know,
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like I think professionally andpersonally when we try to do too
many things and then we can't doany of them well so like return
back it that's that's what I'mreally thinking about is like
and I'm really thinking about itas a returning to myself
To what is best and, and sacredand brings me joy and is me like
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what is the best me that I canbe? That's what I'm endeavoring,
endeavoring to do.
Yeah. And that really resonatesfor me in different ways,
specifically both. For me, andspecifically me as it shows up
in the work and professionallyas the founder and owner of this
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company, thatI'm just so clear right now that
me doubling down and going allin is exactly what I need to do
around really giving myself thepermission and empowerment, it's
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not the space because part ofits space. And part of it's just
about, like, these differentparts of me are already here,
like I've been developing them,but they're now here. And it's
like, do where do I want to beleading from I want to be
leading from the fullness of allthat I am. And
the way that I set up thecompany initially was before I
developed in these differentways. And so I need, I think I
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will both miss having both ofyou your light and contribution
and analysis and joy on theteam. And I also think I need
some space to take up more spaceand take on certain things. And
notice, like, oh, yeah, in time,like I still want help with
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this, or go through an awkwardmoment. And then notice,
actually, this is actuallysomething that I needed help
before that I actually don'tneed help around. Now, and it
hasn't been. And it's been greatto have members of the team for
different facets. And also,because of that now that now in
the absence of that I can seelike, Oh, I think I need to can
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reconfigure how I'm operatingand also how I envision how I
want to structure the companymoving forward. And so all of
this to say this is tendergenerative, mindful time for
each of us and for the company.
And I'm also genuinely,like, I'm, it's like, I'm so
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humbly excited, like it feels toyour point earlier, I feel like
I'm going through a season andin general moving forward in my
life. And this has been a themenow for over a year of, and it's
been really heavy in the pastfew weeks. And in this moment,
of how much it's paradoxical ina way but about but about how
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much of this is about deepsurrender to divine guidance and
to the soul lessons that arebeing placed in front of me and
for me to do my spiritualhomework. And part of what I've
been talking about a moment agois me doing my spiritual
homework is me.
Claiming the divinity that iswithin me that I miss took from
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some deeply from since I was alittle kid in school, received
deep messaging around didn'thave a place and, and reclaiming
that. And that that is that isboth deeply sovereign and
sovereign. And that is also tome a part of
both divine surrender andreclamation of my own of the
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divinity that exists within me.
And I think in similar and verydifferent ways that each of us
are doing this work. And itfeels that I got off track a
little bit or like I didn't seethat see that.
It took thatbrief detour. But it feels so
exciting. And also awesome.
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Like, it's it's big, it's big.
And there can be some scarinesswith that. But to me, it also
feels so rich, with potential.
Like, I'm genuinely reallyexcited. I have no idea what
it's going to look like, Tracy,but I'm excited for the insights
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that are going to emerge foreach of us. And what when we,
you know, because we're, youwill still be in the orbit a
little bit. But I think my senseis, is that like, I'm thinking
of this is sacred spaciousnessfor you, right? And so, even
though we might have brief touchpoints, I'm just really looking
forward to for all of us andeach of us, for us to
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continue to update each otherand just share because I think
there's both things that we'regoing to be doing and I think
there are things that are comingthrough for us in different
ways, whether it's insight ordevelopments. And it just feels
like a very fertile time, iswhat I'm trying to say or like a
nascent ly fertile time andI'm humbled by the feeling that
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I have no idea per se, I havelike a feeling, but I really
don't know what it's going tolook like. But I also am excited
because it feels like it's goingto be good and purposeful and in
service of our dreams and of thecollective good. So, do you want
to start to move us to ourclose, Tracy?
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Guys, I just want to say a wordof appreciation.
I had the same thought I had thesame thought. Yeah. Cool.
So I want to appreciate youApril for the opportunities that
have come through, like throughthe podcast through joyous
justice, for me for our, ourfriendship, and our connection
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and my connection with all ofyou listeners, it has been
really amazing. And honestly gotme through
crappy time in the world, and inmy life and all kinds of stuff.
So just deep gratitude.
Likewise, and just to be clear,like Shrimati, and I'm curious
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from like, as you were listeningto me, because as you're saying
that it like, I guess becauselike, we don't fully know what's
going to happen on the otherside of this, but it's, um,
yeah. And so.
And I think for me, in terms ofappreciation, yeah, I would.
I'm so appreciative and gratefulfor the magic making, that you
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and I have done together interms of this podcast. And in
terms of getting joyous justiceto the
powerfully strong and solidplace that it is right now.
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All of the social justice,analysis and creativity that
you and Sarah have brought tothis team, the incredible holy
soundboards, you have been to meand thought partners, and
just wonderful champions, andcollaborators and CO
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conspirators in this work thatwe've been moving forward in the
world. And so yeah, there's justimmense appreciation, because
I'm, I'm really happy with wherejoyous justice, and
we as a team are right now. AndI'm grateful that we are each
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engaging in a process oftransformation and shift in a
way that's truly moving fromstrength to strength and
noticing, hmm, there's somethings that either could be
better and or, I think I thinkthere's an opportunity here to
like, take this even farther.
But we need to give it somespaciousness and roominess to
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like, let it futz around alittle bit and move and stretch
and see. And yeah, just profoundappreciation. And finally, for
you, phenomenal listener, thankyou so much, to you. Thank you
so much for joining us alongthis journey, especially if
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you're someone who's been herefor the whole of it, or much of
it also, if you've recentlyjoined, and for a number of you,
who also participate in ourprograms, and take us up on our
sacred invitations to engage incourageous, loving and
compassionate, rigorous work toadvance justice through our lens
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of wholeness and deep collectivebelonging.
So And lastly, just appreciationfor the divine and for the
different facets of sprawl, thecooperative components,
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our families, and our friendswho supported us over the past
few years of doing courageouswork, and backed us with our
bold visions, and who willcontinue to do so as we continue
in this and, and I think I'lljust to close by saying for
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Tracy, for you, for Sarah, forme, for you, listener for our
world. I wonder what wonderfulthings are going to happen in
the coming days and weeks. I'mexcited to see and I'm excited
for us to do that journeytogether, perhaps in a similar
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configuration, to where fromwhere we've been and also
potentially in a verydifferent configuration and also
still maintaining theseconnections as we evolve and
give ourselves space tobe all that we can be.
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Stay humble, but not too humble.
And keep going because thefuture is ours to co-create.
Hi friend tuning in. We have aspecial conversation that we
(00:05):
want to have today with eachother. And with you, we have
some announcements and updatesthat we want to share and a
little bit of reflection that wewant to do together. As you will
hear us discuss more in thisepisode. I really love how some
(00:27):
of the joyous justice teammembers rhythms and journeys
right now are tracking verypoetically and beautifully with
patterns in nature. So withthat, let's dive in and
(00:52):
You're listening to the JoyousJustice podcast, a weekly show
hosted by April Baskin withTracie Guy Decker, in a complex
world in which systemicoppression conditions us to deny
others and our own humanity.
let's dedicate ourselves to thepursuit and embodiment of
wholeness, love and thriving inthe world. And in our own lives,
it's time to heal and flourishour way to a more joyously just future.
(01:25):
Alright, Tracie, so my thinkingabout this episode has evolved a
bit a bit as I shared before, webegan recording and as we
included in woven to the intro,but I'm still thinking that it
makes sense to start with yousharing an update. And then for
me to also share a coupleadditional updates, and then be
(01:48):
in conversation about that abit. Because I think that
our friends listening in bothcare about us and also
also care about the meaningwe're making of the terrain that
we are navigating both in termsof challenges and opportunities
(02:11):
and making space for newpossibilities. That sounds great
April.
So for For my part, we havetalked on the show before about
the advice that my mom gave mewhen I was a kid about always
trying to move toward what youwant and not away from what
(02:31):
you're afraid of.
Yes. Andlately, nothing is seriously
wrong. So I just want to likeanybody listening, like, Don't
worry, like I am okay, andeveryone in my world is okay.
But we're not great. And I'mpulled thin in a lot of ways.
And I'm realizing I actuallydon't know what I want in order
(02:55):
to move toward it. And so,April, you already know this,
but for our listeners, I askedyou, I let you know, I was
thinking it's a good idea for meto sort of pull back from some
of the things that some of mycommitments so that I can spend
more time with my family andmyself and kind of figure out
(03:19):
what that is that I want so thatI can move toward it.
So with this episode, we'reannouncing that I will be taking
sort of a half step back from myduties such as justice, not a
full step, I'll still be aroundbackstage, but no longer no
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longer in the spotlight, atleast for a little while. So
that's my sort of announcementand my thinking behind it.
Yeah, thank you so much forsharing that Tracy Shrimati. I
just think it isthoughtful and courageous and
models what we talk about andchampion here at joyous justice,
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which ishonoring and championing the
fullness of our humanity. Andhaving big dreams and goals and
what helps to facilitate thosebig dreams and goals is really
deep care. AndI appreciate your mindfulness
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around this and choosing toprioritize some of what matters
most. I have some of my ownthoughts to share that are both
different and aligned with whatyou shared Tracy but before I
start to share some of that isthere anything else after like
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having a pause hearing what Isaid that you additionally want
to say about this in particularway? I think that there are some
things once I share my bit Ithink there's some conversation
for us to have but I wanted tomake space
If there's anything else thatsurfaced while I was talking,
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I'm not exactly sure. This isn'ta fully formed thought. But I've
been thinking a lot and readingabout
the role of a Sofia. Like, whathappens if a scribe makes a
mistake in a scroll.
And like I had the mistaken,understanding that if a scribe
makes a mistake, they have tolike scrap it or not, but bury
it and then start over whenworking on a torus, well, that's
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not actually true. Like you canscrape off and fix the mistake,
except in God's name, God's namecannot be erased, we don't, even
if there's a mistake.
Andsomething about that is really
resonating for me in the idea oflike,
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starting over and correctingcourse, correcting
that which is human, and thatwas just divine is what it is,
and sort of stays as a constant.
And that's feeling reallyresonant for me, as I'm trying
to figure out what's next. Andsort of, to your point, like
focusing on what matters andwhat doesn't change. So thank
you for the opportunity forsharing. That's what was cooking
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in my head while you weretalking?
Wow, I just, you know, I gotfull body chills when you shared
that I reallyI don't think it makes sense for
me to fully go down that avenue.
But I would say as you said thatjust now it, it's so resonates
with core themes that I've beenthinking a lot about around.
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And at least for me, and I don'tknow about for you, you know,
like I thinkabout, okay, this is the models,
these are some of the modelsI've been using right now, I've
been using today. And I thinkit's time for new models in
different ways or revisedmodels, and some of my models I
love and there are other oneswhere I want to radically shift
them, which is what you know,which is a little bit of my
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update, which is to say thatTracy just shared this update,
and again, Shrimati. And wehonor that. And you are not the
only person with updates on thejoyous justice team, everyone
enjoys justice. But all three ofus have updates to share. But
basically, each of us in our ownways, are in a process of
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emergence and sacred reflectionat toward the end, mid end of
this winter season. And startingto move into spring and for each
of us in different ways, asTracy shared, and also feel free
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to correct me Tracy like there'scertain things for you that feel
not visible yet like below theground surface. And I would say
for me, some of its visible andalso some of it is also
subterranean that has yet tosurface I can feel its presence.
And I don't fully know what itis. But I'm going to need to
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step continue to move forwardand step into this season of
emergence and introspection. AndI'll talk a bit more about that
specifically in terms of what iscooking and shifting for me. And
so Sarah will share someupdates. But Sarah too, is
moving on from the team. Soright now, as Tracy shared,
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Tracy is taking a break for abit is taking mostly a step back
is still going to be helpingwith some things. And Tracy is
still going to be in the joyousjustice orbit which is great,
but in a reduced and simplifiedcapacity so that she has space
to focus on other things thatare really sacred and important
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and need some additionalattention. And Sarah is ready.
After two wonderful years ofcontribution and growth and
leadership on the Joyce justiceteam. Sarah is going to be
stepping into her nextprofessional adventure, which
makes sense and we'll see howthat continues to evolve for
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them and they will share or haveshared.
By the time most people listento this, they will or will have
shared more in their own words.
And we'll let them we'll letthem manage that as they choose
and want to. Andall of this feels
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obviously bittersweet in someways and also really potent and
sacred for me.
Because as I have one teammember departing Oh, but also
yay, spread your wings and flySarah. And as Tracy is taking
more time. It's creating spacefor me to fully acknowledge that
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I They have been in a massive asTracy and Sirika. Both affirm
and they've been so great aboutit. I've been in a state of
metamorphosis for like at leasta year and a half to two years
now ever since I before andespecially once I joined my
coherent ordination program, andI am moving toward ordination. I
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go ahead and priestess program,and I'm moving towards becoming
ordained, this August, Goddesswilling. And
for my coconut project, I did alot of work around my indigenous
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coming home work around more,more deeply integrating the
spiritual and intuitive lineagesthat are a part of the fullness
of my existence into my day today living. And that has meant a
number of different things. AndI have shifted and we've shifted
(11:04):
our content in different ways.
And I've been able to you know,I've been very clear about the
purpose of this company ofjoyous justice since I started
it. And I was very clear when Ifirst launched it that I wasn't
ready to be fully open about it,I wasn't the person and the
leader who was fully ready tofully own and lead that body of
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work. And yet, I knew that wasmy path and my calling.
And that I needed to step intoit and get ready along the way.
And I've been doing that gettingready. And I've reached
different milestones.
You know, Tracy and I had awonderful sacred experience over
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a year ago, almost exactly ayear ago, a little over a year
ago, as we've each been on ourown journeys and took time to
visit the mikvah together. AndI'm approaching I don't know
about for you, Tracy. But Irealized this morning, as I was
talking to one of my trauma peercounselors, they actually raised
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it and it was coming up indifferent ways. I had the
thought. And then beloved RabbiCarrie Chaplin posted how they
had gone to the mikvahwithin the last week, and how
amazing it wasn't, I was like,Oh, are they when I was I didn't
fully catch like, this is adivine breadcrumb like this is a
synchronicity. And then I sharedas a part of the new and good
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portion of, of my check in withmy trauma counseling one of my
trauma counseling buddies, thatthis week, I've I've, I've
experienced what feels like atleast two, if not three,
massive, spiritual andprofessional milestones around
clarifying who I how and who Iwant to be and how open I am
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about the fullness of, ofdifferent parts of me. And and
they said, and they come from adifferent tradition, but all
traditions have these moments.
And they said, you know, how areyou going to honor that? How are
you going to celebrate that? AndI'm so in the flow of the
ongoing emergence. I was like,Oh, you're right, actually,
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like, it's still, I will stillbe I will forever be in a state
of becoming and and now this isthe third time like, okay, you
know, the magic three, this isthe third time this week now.
First, I got the nudge, thenRabbi Carrie Chaplin affirmed
this. And now my partner issaying what bridge? And I was
like, ah, you know, and I thinkI think I want to
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think I had this thought, and Ithink I want to do a mikvah
experience in the ocean to honorsome of these things. So
I don't want to take too muchmore time. And I feel like I
haven't actually said my thing,which is so me, but that's one
of the things that I'm workingon embracing now is rather than
is releasingsome of the shame. I feel around
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how I'm different than how I wasconditioned to be I think that
that is the next or the currentfrontier of my ongoing
rewilding re indigenization.
decolonization, the assimilationprocess is no longer shaming how
my mind works. And I'm actuallyreally curious to see and I
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tried this out yesterday in ourgrounded and growing program.
And I was able to see in realtime on that call, the
brilliance that was able to comethrough when I wasn't
trying so hard to press myselfinto a mold. That is not me. And
it's so obvious when I say itlike this now on the other side
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of the insight, but when I wasnavigating it, I didn't, it
didn't feel like internalizedoppression. It felt like it was
wasme trying to be responsible and,
and the best leader I can be.
And I just noticed, actually, Ithink this is not helpful. And I
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think it gets in the way in alot of different ways in my
living and leadership. And so Iwant to engage openly in a
process of rewilding. Andby that, I mean,
there I, and I've been trying todo this now for a year, but I'm
more ready. I'm more solidaround other parts that I was,
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in the process of becoming havesolidified within me now. And I
feel a lot more whole. And likeI've been staying, and not even
consciously, subconsciously,I've been staying small in
different ways. And starting tofeel resentful about different
things happening or nothappening around me. And I'm now
noticing, in the midst ofdifferent shifts happening and
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things happening, that this is atime where I can start to
release barriers that were stillin place within me that I didn't
I wasn't even fully conscious ofthat I now see. And I'm like,
these aren't serving me anymore,and have space to step into my
power more and release someadditional, persnickety and
(16:19):
visible now not invisiblechronic shame. Maybe still a
little invisible at times, butstarting to notice, like, oh,
that actually that thought isn'ttrue, which doesn't mean I can't
still adapt. But what does itlook like when I start to lead
on this podcast in any context,context over email and any
number of spaces when I'm nottrying, when I'm not coming from
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the frame, implicitly orexplicitly that the way I'm
doing it is wrong. And said,Actually, maybe what I'm doing
is just fine. And let me liveinto that. And let me Let that
energy move through me. And thenfrom there from a place of
appreciation and fullacceptance, see what comes
through. And it might be exactlywhat it's been, or it might be
something new. But I haven't hadtime to do that. Because anytime
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I started to be that full partof me, I shut it down, because I
mislabeled it as wrong. So, youknow, I'm going to pause here
for a second and invite you toshare other thoughts, Tracy, but
my sense is, is that for Sarah,Tracy, and me, these are so
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into individual and specific andSacred Journeys and details,
much of which deeper detailseach of us have entered
necessarily, might notnecessarily go into, that are so
specific to us and our lovedones and our dreams. And there's
also something about this thatjust feels so aligned to me with
the season. And I suspect withother experiences, whether it's
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around similar or differenttopics, like right now, for all
of us, it's definitely at leastin the, in the professional
sphere. And I think for all ofus, it's also showing up around
personally who and how we wantto be and how that then gets
mirrored back in the ways thatwe are doing our work and
leading, but I suspect thatlikely, for those who are
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listening in for you listeningin that these themes have
relevance for you to whetherit's for you or someone in your
life, whether it's aroundbusiness, or a relationship or
some other facet of what you'regoing through. So I wanted to
note that, that both likeindividual and collective
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uniqueness and also universalityof some of these themes that
also align withflowers starting to bloom and
plants starting to bloom orthings starting to warm below
the earth.
So there's also an aside therethat I won't get into about the
impact that global warming hason seasons, but still that just
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this just feelsspecific to each of us and also
like a shared it's not auniversal but something that we
are not alone in about reallyappreciating where we have been
and also noticing that needs andthe various things external and
also internal to us have shiftedas we've been in a state of
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evolution and we want to takespace and time to live into that
and give that space to bloom andthen
figure out where we how we movefrom strength to strength. For
me, I'm really thinking aboutthat return to like the core.
The core competency as a coreneeds the core one you know,
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like I think professionally andpersonally when we try to do too
many things and then we can't doany of them well so like return
back it that's that's what I'mreally thinking about is like
and I'm really thinking about itas a returning to myself
To what is best and, and sacredand brings me joy and is me like
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what is the best me that I canbe? That's what I'm endeavoring,
endeavoring to do.
Yeah. And that really resonatesfor me in different ways,
specifically both. For me, andspecifically me as it shows up
in the work and professionallyas the founder and owner of this
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company, thatI'm just so clear right now that
me doubling down and going allin is exactly what I need to do
around really giving myself thepermission and empowerment, it's
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not the space because part ofits space. And part of it's just
about, like, these differentparts of me are already here,
like I've been developing them,but they're now here. And it's
like, do where do I want to beleading from I want to be
leading from the fullness of allthat I am. And
the way that I set up thecompany initially was before I
developed in these differentways. And so I need, I think I
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will both miss having both ofyou your light and contribution
and analysis and joy on theteam. And I also think I need
some space to take up more spaceand take on certain things. And
notice, like, oh, yeah, in time,like I still want help with
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this, or go through an awkwardmoment. And then notice,
actually, this is actuallysomething that I needed help
before that I actually don'tneed help around. Now, and it
hasn't been. And it's been greatto have members of the team for
different facets. And also,because of that now that now in
the absence of that I can seelike, Oh, I think I need to can
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reconfigure how I'm operatingand also how I envision how I
want to structure the companymoving forward. And so all of
this to say this is tendergenerative, mindful time for
each of us and for the company.
And I'm also genuinely,like, I'm, it's like, I'm so
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humbly excited, like it feels toyour point earlier, I feel like
I'm going through a season andin general moving forward in my
life. And this has been a themenow for over a year of, and it's
been really heavy in the pastfew weeks. And in this moment,
of how much it's paradoxical ina way but about but about how
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much of this is about deepsurrender to divine guidance and
to the soul lessons that arebeing placed in front of me and
for me to do my spiritualhomework. And part of what I've
been talking about a moment agois me doing my spiritual
homework is me.
Claiming the divinity that iswithin me that I miss took from
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some deeply from since I was alittle kid in school, received
deep messaging around didn'thave a place and, and reclaiming
that. And that that is that isboth deeply sovereign and
sovereign. And that is also tome a part of
both divine surrender andreclamation of my own of the
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divinity that exists within me.
And I think in similar and verydifferent ways that each of us
are doing this work. And itfeels that I got off track a
little bit or like I didn't seethat see that.
It took thatbrief detour. But it feels so
exciting. And also awesome.
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Like, it's it's big, it's big.
And there can be some scarinesswith that. But to me, it also
feels so rich, with potential.
Like, I'm genuinely reallyexcited. I have no idea what
it's going to look like, Tracy,but I'm excited for the insights
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that are going to emerge foreach of us. And what when we,
you know, because we're, youwill still be in the orbit a
little bit. But I think my senseis, is that like, I'm thinking
of this is sacred spaciousnessfor you, right? And so, even
though we might have brief touchpoints, I'm just really looking
forward to for all of us andeach of us, for us to
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continue to update each otherand just share because I think
there's both things that we'regoing to be doing and I think
there are things that are comingthrough for us in different
ways, whether it's insight ordevelopments. And it just feels
like a very fertile time, iswhat I'm trying to say or like a
nascent ly fertile time andI'm humbled by the feeling that
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I have no idea per se, I havelike a feeling, but I really
don't know what it's going tolook like. But I also am excited
because it feels like it's goingto be good and purposeful and in
service of our dreams and of thecollective good. So, do you want
to start to move us to ourclose, Tracy?
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Guys, I just want to say a wordof appreciation.
I had the same thought I had thesame thought. Yeah. Cool.
So I want to appreciate youApril for the opportunities that
have come through, like throughthe podcast through joyous
justice, for me for our, ourfriendship, and our connection
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and my connection with all ofyou listeners, it has been
really amazing. And honestly gotme through
crappy time in the world, and inmy life and all kinds of stuff.
So just deep gratitude.
Likewise, and just to be clear,like Shrimati, and I'm curious
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from like, as you were listeningto me, because as you're saying
that it like, I guess becauselike, we don't fully know what's
going to happen on the otherside of this, but it's, um,
yeah. And so.
And I think for me, in terms ofappreciation, yeah, I would.
I'm so appreciative and gratefulfor the magic making, that you
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and I have done together interms of this podcast. And in
terms of getting joyous justiceto the
powerfully strong and solidplace that it is right now.
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All of the social justice,analysis and creativity that
you and Sarah have brought tothis team, the incredible holy
soundboards, you have been to meand thought partners, and
just wonderful champions, andcollaborators and CO
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conspirators in this work thatwe've been moving forward in the
world. And so yeah, there's justimmense appreciation, because
I'm, I'm really happy with wherejoyous justice, and
we as a team are right now. AndI'm grateful that we are each
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engaging in a process oftransformation and shift in a
way that's truly moving fromstrength to strength and
noticing, hmm, there's somethings that either could be
better and or, I think I thinkthere's an opportunity here to
like, take this even farther.
But we need to give it somespaciousness and roominess to
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like, let it futz around alittle bit and move and stretch
and see. And yeah, just profoundappreciation. And finally, for
you, phenomenal listener, thankyou so much, to you. Thank you
so much for joining us alongthis journey, especially if
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you're someone who's been herefor the whole of it, or much of
it also, if you've recentlyjoined, and for a number of you,
who also participate in ourprograms, and take us up on our
sacred invitations to engage incourageous, loving and
compassionate, rigorous work toadvance justice through our lens
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of wholeness and deep collectivebelonging.
So And lastly, just appreciationfor the divine and for the
different facets of sprawl, thecooperative components,
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our families, and our friendswho supported us over the past
few years of doing courageouswork, and backed us with our
bold visions, and who willcontinue to do so as we continue
in this and, and I think I'lljust to close by saying for
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Tracy, for you, for Sarah, forme, for you, listener for our
world. I wonder what wonderfulthings are going to happen in
the coming days and weeks. I'mexcited to see and I'm excited
for us to do that journeytogether, perhaps in a similar
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configuration, to where fromwhere we've been and also
potentially in a verydifferent configuration and also
still maintaining theseconnections as we evolve and
give ourselves space tobe all that we can be.
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Much love.
Thanks for tuning in. To learnmore about Joyous Justice LLC,
our team and how you can getinvolved with our community.
Check out the info in our shownotes, or find us at joyous
justice.com If you enjoyed thisepisode, show us some love.
Subscribe wherever you'relistening. Tell your people
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