November 12, 2025 • 40 mins
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I sat down with Brandon Doyle (https://x.com/_BrandonDoyle_) again, and this time we tried to build a money-making app in under an hour using Emergent, a new vibe coding tool. We let a random word generator decide our idea, landed on a lawn care quote generator, and then raced to see who could build the better version faster. I focused on the backend logic and real-time pricing, while Brandon went all in on clean design and live deployment. We ended up building two working web apps for about $10 each, both ready to launch instantly. We compared prompts, strategies, and credits used, and talked about how simple these AI tools make it to build real businesses fast.
You can try the apps we built here:
Brandon’s app: https://mowmaster-6.emergent.host
Chris’s app: https://mowbid.emergent.host
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(00:03):
All right, Brandon. Well, thank you for coming back
on the pot. Thanks for having me excited to
be here. OK, So what I've done is I have
asked ChatGPT give me all of thevibe coding tools, boom done.
And then I'm going to share my screen.
I just googled random word chooser.
OK, here we are. And you can just enter in a list
of words, you click choose, and it's going to pick 1.
(00:25):
So there's a lot of vibe coding tools out there.
A lot of them are about the sameyou and I.
What we're going to do on this episode is we're going to
perfectly randomize A vibe coding tool, pick that, and then
we're going to perfectly randomize an app to build with
said vibe coding tool. And then we're going to build it
at the same time. So the same app on the same tool
at the same time, but with our own brains, our own background,
(00:48):
history, experiences, prompting,and then see who spits out the
better at the end. How does that sound?
I'm excited. OK, cuz you and I are both vibe
coding aficionados. Yes, and we're OK at it.
And we're not coders. We don't have a coding
background. I don't know anything about
code. I think what this video will
serve to do for at least some people is show you what can be
(01:09):
done in minimal time without expert prompting engineering
strategies. Yeah, And you know what,
Brandon? I'm just going to get on the
soapbox for a minute. We see all these tweets about
like this prompt will change your life.
Be sure to prompt ChatGPT just like this.
And it's like 3000 words with like, you are an expert resource
(01:33):
for me. I'm trapped in an Iranian
prison. And it's you don't need to do
all that. Like just like garbled together,
like a poorly worded sentence riddled with typos.
Ask it to do something and then just go from there.
Like, don't get hung up on how perfect your prompt needs to.
Be hold on, has somebody said the Iranian prison thing?
Because if not, that's amazing. The only way I'll get out of
(01:55):
this prison is if you if you code this perfectly for me in
the next 30 minutes. I saw one Palmer Luckey said
that, like, his trick to get Chad GBT to do what he wants is
to say like, you're like a university professor that's
been, yeah, yeah, incorrectly accused of impropriety with a
student. Like your life depends on the
(02:17):
output of this prompt or something.
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Those are fun sound bites, it's
just not necessary. Just talk to the Dang.
Dang, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
All right, so here the vibe coding tools.
We got bolt replet emergent cursor, ChatGPT, and then we
just click choose. I think what it's doing is it's
picking like the blank lines. Maybe I just need to remove the
(02:39):
spaces. Let's click choose.
All right, Emergent. Have you heard of Emergent?
I've heard of them, never used them though.
OK, well let me let me ask ChatGPT real quickly for a few
facts about Emergent. What is Emergent?
Let's see, it is only platform in competition to rank twice #1
(03:00):
globally in benchmarks for coding agents.
They're one of the fastest growing growth tools.
It looks like they've raised a couple rounds at like insane
valuations and agentic. No platform lock in.
One thing they have different isit looks like you don't need to
use like super base for your database.
(03:21):
It's like they have their own built in super base.
So I think there's like less integrations you have to do.
Sounds cool. Now it sounds cool.
Now let's go ahead. And I've had ChatGPT generate a
bunch of app ideas because we don't know what we're going to
build here. All right, here are some choices
that ChatGPT spit out for apps that we can vibe.
(03:43):
Code roofing quote bot, landscaping estimate, dog
grooming reminder app, yadda, yadda, yadda.
You get the idea. We'll click choose lawn care biz
quote generator. Sweet.
OK, OK. I guess that's what we're
building. I'm going to a merchant right
now. So we're each recording our
screens, but we're obviously looking at our screen.
(04:06):
Let's see who can build it fastest and who can build it
best. With emerging, it looks like we
can choose our own model. So that's another that you and I
can decide, yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
All right, ready. Yeah, I'm using the Iranian
prison thing. I'm in an Iranian prison, OK.
You are not. You are free.
(04:27):
You're in Texas. I'm in an Iranian prison.
So there's there's one differentiator.
We'll see how this turns out. All right, you ready?
Yes. Go and this is with the free
account. I signed up, it's 20 bucks and
it was 10 bucks off, so I just signed up for the 10 bucks.
OK, so both of us got the $20.00a month plan, but we're welcome
(04:48):
to choose whatever model we wantto choose or prompt it however
fancy or simply that we like andshould we go.
Let's go. OK, all right, here we go.
OK so I just finished my first prompt.
I pressed enter 30 seconds ago. It told me that it's going to
build it and now their agent is asking me a few details to
(05:12):
clarify what I want. So I'm going to review those and
see what I need. OK so the details that asked me
are pretty good. It asks it wants to clarify what
services specifically am I offering?
How should the quote calculationbe designed?
How should quotes be managed, whether it's instant or is it
(05:33):
more of like a lead form thing? And then if I have any design
preferences on how this little web app, this little website
thing is going to look. So I'm going to answer and I'm
just going to say mowing and hedging are going to be my
services and OK, quote calculation, how to determine
(05:54):
the price, Yes, square feet or acres, service frequency, good
call. Whether that's, you know,
weekly, every other week or monthly quote handling.
I'm going to do instant quote display and a lead form below
(06:16):
that on the results page. Also my contact information so
they can get a hold of me if they want to.
For anyone watching, a famous one that people like to say is
sort of like use the aesthetics of Airbnb.
Airbnb is like a super famous. Well, everybody knows Airbnb,
I'm sure, but they're well knownfor just being a very well
(06:38):
designed pretty, you know, app and website.
So I'm just going to do that onefor fun.
I'm going to say model it after Airbnb style but with different
colors. I'm going to do greens cuz lawns
should be green. OK let's see what happens.
Also the waiting screen very much has matrix vibes so it's
kind of fun. My original prompt is now
(07:01):
officially sent off and it's working.
What were you going to say? So I gave my prompt and then it
asked me questions. I answered the questions and
then it's been working in the background, which obviously if I
was doing this, I don't have to actually be watching the screen
while it's working in the background cuz Emergent makes
(07:21):
nice little noises. So I can just come back and
check when I hear a noise and dosomething else, check my e-mail,
whatever while I'm waiting. So just a little side note there
for people. It is nice, yeah, I like that.
OK, you go then I'll be ready because mine just gave me an
output. All right.
It just asked me for clarification questions and I
just answered those. It took about a minute to send
(07:43):
me those questions back. Now it's working again.
Mine gave me its first output. It looks good.
It does have the vibes of Airbnblike I asked for but with greens
so that's nice. It looks looks pretty.
It looks simple, which is also what I want.
It said that it gave me the front end.
It took some screenshots, as youcan see on my screen to show
(08:05):
like how the quote process wouldwork if I were to go through it,
which I will. It gives me a nice little recap
and then it gives me sort of a, you know, just the details of
what it did. It says I created, I won't read
it all, but it said I created the front and only version of
your quote generator using mock data that reflects Airbnb with
(08:25):
the green you requested. And then it shows me what is
working, the quote calculator, the instant quote display, the
lead form, Business Contact info, and then the site.
And then it notes, which is goodbecause some people kind of
forget about this. The pricing logic is currently
just with mock data and doesn't have any, you know, real thing
(08:47):
to go off of yet. So I because I didn't give it
any dollar number of any kind. So I'm going to have to do that
and I'm going to start testing it just to make sure it actually
works. Also, if you see on my screen,
it lets me choose as a as a user, you know, the square
footage or acres. So I can choose either one.
And then it says if I want lawn mowing and or hedge trimming.
(09:13):
And then it also asks if it's going to be a one time service
weekly, bi weekly or monthly. So it gave me it set it up to
where the user can have all those options.
That's pretty cool. So is yours kind of like a chat
bot and not like a form? No, no, it's a form.
OK. But it's like a dynamic form, so
that's good. So I just did a test.
(09:36):
And so I just, I put that my lawn size is 600 square feet.
I said I wanted mowing and hedging.
I said I wanted it weekly. It gave me the quote, which is
$7.80 per service because it doesn't have any real data.
So obviously I need to change that because I would whoever
would do this would be losing money.
It shows a nice little breakdownof what's included for that
(09:58):
$7.80, the form below as well ascontact information.
So I'm going to now work on adjusting the pricing logic so
it spits out correct pricing here.
Also for anyone noting in the top right of my screen, I
started with 110 credits in my account here with a merchant and
(10:26):
I'm at 109.67 so I haven't even used one credit total 6. 7. 6/7.
OK, so on my end, it was basically saying like, hey, what
kind of a database do you want? And I'm like, just Google
Sheets. And then it's like, OK, how do
you want to integrate Google Sheets?
And like, I mean, for the purposes of this video, we want
to launch this fast. I was like, never mind, just
(10:49):
e-mail me the lead. And then it was like all right,
do you want to use Sendgrid? Do you want to use SMTP or
whatever? And then I started to log into
my Sendgrid account because I have one and it wanted 2 factor
and I was just like Nope too hard, no integration just
generate quotes. Yeah, OK.
I mow my own lawns so I don't know how much lawns cost to MO
(11:09):
these days. OK, I've got a quote here.
I did not give it any design specifications.
Mine says lawn care quote calculator.
It's green. I'm assuming because it's lawn
care. It asked for full name, phone
number, property acreage, and house square footage.
So now I'm going to test it and see how it goes.
OK, OK, interesting. So mine worked perfectly.
(11:34):
It did exactly what I needed. It needed it to do now the math
like I need to adjust the math and I'll get to that in a
minute, but it works so I'm going to keep tweaking it.
Since I didn't do this earlier, I just put in the pricing.
So I just chose 50 bucks per 1000 square feet of mowing.
And then I told it to adjust forsmaller or larger lawns and to
(11:58):
adjust for to, you know, change to acres and do the calculations
for that if needed. And I said that that's for a one
time mow. I said if they want hedging to
just add a 25% additional cost. And then I told it that if the
customer signs up for monthly instead of one time, they get a
(12:18):
5% discount, biweekly an additional 5% discount and then
weekly an additional 5% discount.
So it's now adding in that pricing logic and it'll give me
the updated version shortly. I like that.
How many credits are you at? One O 8.37.
I just feel like with these vibecoding tools, customization is
(12:41):
going to be the name of the game.
Like why would you pay Salesforce thousands of dollars
a month or HubSpot or whoever when you can build exactly what
your business needs or when you can build exactly what your
customers businesses need for a fraction of a fraction of a
cost? Where you use all of the
features. There's no features that you're
paying for but not using. It's exactly what you need for
(13:03):
pennies. Right.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally.
OK, quick thing on my end, if you see my screen here, this is
TK owners.com. This is a community that Chris
runs that I help him run. It's amazing.
If you want to do anything in the world of entrepreneurship
and business, you got to get in this community.
(13:24):
We're doing stuff like this everyday.
Yeah. So it just spit out, it spit out
my pricing update, which was great.
So it did it and it did all the ratios and all that.
And then it asked me if I wantedto like build a robust back end
database and stuff. And I just said no.
Just e-mail me the quotes. You know, once someone fills it
out, just e-mail me the quotes to brandon@walleroomedia.com.
(13:48):
And can you also launch this on a live test URL?
So let's see what happens. It's funny because it's like in
using these tools, you kind of have to retrain your brain,
right? Like let's say you get to this
point and you're like, OK, let'ssay we've never used a vibe
coding app before, right? We get to this point where we
have a working prototype and we want it to be on a website, but
(14:10):
we don't even know like how to ask it that, right?
Like, all right, I've never usedEmergent before.
So I like the gut instinct is toGoogle like how to deploy
emergent app onto a website. But no, like just use the chat
interface that you're currently using to build the app to ask it
questions about the app, you know, OK, ready to deploy.
(14:32):
What do I click next? And then it will switch from
being like a coder to a customersupport agent all within the
same chat window. But you just have to start
thinking along those lines. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Look at my screen. Like it just asked me a bunch of
questions. Some were technical, some not
that technical. I asked it, I said e-mail me the
(14:54):
quotes. And then it said, OK, what API
do you want to integrate? And then it gave me some choices
and I'm like, you know what, just put the lead forms on a
Google Sheet to make it faster. And then in it had asked me like
all the info that I want, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, just include whatever the person enters in
lead form and instant quote. Like I'm not doing me, Brandon.
(15:18):
I'm not doing anything fancy here.
To your point, I'm just chattingwith this thing and I'm like,
yeah, just do this. Like I'm like.
Yeah. Just commanding it like a, you
know, entry level employee who happens to be amazing and AI.
Yes, OK. So I like how it gives you an
option to deploy it right withinthe chat window with a big green
(15:40):
button. You can't miss it.
You can preview it by clicking that.
I don't want to talk you throughwhat I've done so far, but I
want to test it first. All right.
Can I walk you through what I'vedone?
Yeah. All right, so I'm not going to
tell you yet what my original prompt was, but here's the logic
of how I'm looking at this. So I wanted the name and phone
number because this is a lead magnet, right?
(16:01):
This is accomplishing two goals at once.
It's saving me time because it'squoting a job for me, because
these guys probably spend a lot of time on the phone.
And if they're mowing a lawn, like the average business owner
in this space at least is out there mowing lawns all day.
They're not like they don't havea receptionist, right?
So they're losing money ignoringcalls from people that want a
(16:22):
price because they're probably already very targeted and like,
it's probably a very hot lead that they're ignoring, right?
And so if they could just have an autoresponder say, oh, I'd
love to offer you a price, just fill this out real quick.
Then A, they get the lead and B,they save time, right?
So that's kind of how I'm looking at this going into it.
So I want the name, I want the phone number.
(16:42):
I don't care about e-mail because this is a very fun based
business. I need to know the acreage and I
told a merchant or I just reminded it like, you know,
we're using acreage as like 43,500 square feet per acre,
right? So if they put in .1, it's going
to be 10% of that. And then we're using house
square footage because they're going to subtract that from the
acreage. And then I also told it subtract
(17:06):
10% of the acreage from the square footage as well.
So let's just say it's a .1 acrelot that's roughly 4300 square
feet. And let's say it's 1000 square
foot house, subtract that, we'reat 3300 square feet.
But then we also need to subtract 10% of the lot size to
account for the driveway, which is going to be 430.
(17:27):
So that leaves us with what like2600 square feet, right?
And then I know based on the last neighborhood I lived in
that like a, a small house on a small lot like that is going to
be about 40-50 bucks. So I just said multiply the, the
square footage by 1.6 cents because that's about how you get
(17:49):
to about 40-50 bucks, right? So it spit that out for me and
then it worked. And then I said whoa, whoa,
whoa. I I tried like half an acre and
it gave me like $300 and I'm like, I know that's way too much
for half an acre. So then I went back and I said I
need to scale the pricing for larger lawns. 1/2 acre lawn and
(18:10):
2000 square foot house should not cost 281.
Your math is right, but that price is way too expensive.
OK, so like do a discount against the 1.6 cent rate of 20%
for every quarter acre. So obviously I did a very poor
job explaining that, but don't get hung up.
I'm doing a good job explaining it.
It's going to figure it out, right?
(18:32):
And then it spit out something that worked and it said the
tiered pricing feature has been added to the calculator
incorporating volume discounts for larger properties, yadda,
yadda, yadda. It breaks it all down.
And then I said add a field for asking how many MO's per month.
If once full price twice equals 20% off the total per MO, three
or more equals 40% off the totalper MO per MO.
(18:54):
And then it did that quite perfectly.
And where I'm at now is I said work in a minimum because I, I
played around with it and one ofthe quotes it gave me was $0.00.
And the math was right, right. I did like a 5000 square foot
lot and a 5000 you know square foot house $0.00.
So I said work in a minimum where it will never quote any
(19:16):
job less than $40 per MO. It will override all math and
then add in a check box that says add in weed eating for
insert price more per MO and then the price should be 20% of
the total MO amount. Sweet.
So that's what I'm at right now.Where are you at?
OK so I asked it to just house all the info on a Google sheet
(19:41):
and so it says that it just finished that.
So it's got all the quote generation built.
It says the back end has been tested.
Then all API endpoints are responding correctly.
It says it's all ready to go. It says I need to follow the
Google Sheets setup. MD little thing that it gave me
(20:02):
to create the Google Sheet basically that it will connect
with and it has that above. So I'm going to do that really
quick and then launch it. I think one thing that's worth
noting is like depending on whatindustry you're in when you're
watching this, we're building lawn care quote generators.
The same logic can be applied toso many industries, whether
(20:24):
you're a roofer or a painter or in fencing or whatever.
Like calculating fee and you know, logic and spitting out the
correct pricing and then using this for lead Gen. and spitting
out a quote right away, which isnot the norm these days, right?
The norm is me if I want a new. Roof I have to call.
(20:45):
Roofers and then they say they're going to come out or
maybe they didn't even answer the phone.
So like this is a good way to get around that, get some
instant feedback and hopefully quick leads.
And what I would do if we had more time today or if I really
wanted to build this out once The thing is live, I would
probably also structure it to where I get pinged.
(21:07):
Or I would for sure structure itto where every time someone's
fills out a form and they submittheir contact info, that I would
get a text. I wouldn't just want the e-mail,
I'd want to text with their infoAnd I would text and call them
right away saying, Hey, I got your thing.
It's you know, the quote says itwould be 80 bucks a week.
(21:27):
But actually if if we start thisweek, I'll do it for 75.
So you're like double over delivering over any normal
competitor, which is transparency of pricing upfront
and speed to reply. In the home services industry,
those two things are not that normal.
(21:48):
So this strategy helps you standout with both.
Yeah, it helps you look like a nationwide brand for next to
nothing software. Yeah.
And one thought that I had is like, no shade to Jobber, but if
I want the Jobber account that has that has like the SMS
functionality or a lot of these things, it's like 4 or 500 bucks
(22:09):
a month. Crazy.
Like the vast majority of businesses cannot afford that.
And the vast majority of businesses might need like
really need 3 of jobbers, 50 features, 100 features, right?
So once again, I already said this, but they're paying for all
the stuff that they don't even use.
But with something like this, maybe like this one little
(22:29):
feature is a game changer for them and helps them close more
deals and helps them save time, right?
Not miss out on stuff for a tinyprice.
And then like, this could be free, this could be your lead
magnet, and this could be your foot in the door to start
charging them for other stuff, to start charging them for their
own version of Jobber, right? Yeah.
Or for a lead Gen. service or for anything.
(22:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Hey, quick note for some
commenters out there, you don't need to say the Malcolm in the
Middle comparisons to me anymore.
Malcolm in the Middle, all grownup, you've been, you've been
sharing that in the comments. Wait.
I don't want they're saying thatabout you.
Yeah, I'm just joking. But yeah, that's amazing.
On every YouTube video of yours that you posted of me, people
(23:11):
make Malcolm in the Middle comparisons.
Oh my gosh. Which I've never seen the show
actually, but I heard it was good.
Have you heard that before from others?
I never have. But it's just in your YouTube
videos that I appear. On that's amazing.
Yeah, OK, mine is live. I'll show the URL MO master dash
6 dot emergent dot host Check itout.
(23:33):
So enter your lawn size. So I I did do it differently.
So I'm counting currently on people knowing how big their
lawn size is either in square feet or acres.
Lawn mowing, hedging biweekly instant quote boom 2000 square
feet, 112 bucks discount applied.
(23:57):
Awesome. What's included?
OK, OK, so I just entered my info to receive the quote.
Thank you, You know, gives me the thank you page and that I'll
be contacted shortly. Also business info here, which
obviously I could customize if this was real.
Yeah, it all looks pretty good. Pretty quick.
(24:19):
Then I would just get the contact lead and contact them so
it spits out the thank you confirmation and then that
information, the lead form just goes to my Google Sheet.
And so now you know, the 112 dollars and $0.50 is there along
with their contact info. And if I was Greenscape Lawn
(24:40):
Care, if I was the owner of thatcompany, I would just, you know,
call and text them right away and I would probably offer them
a discount off this 112 to get started this week and to close
them and good to go. Oh man, yours looks better than
mine. Dang it, I.
(25:00):
Do like the little the blurb they gave me and the little sub
thing. Professional lawn care instantly
quoted. Get your personalized lawn
mowing and hedging quote in seconds.
Quality service. Transparent pricing.
Beautiful. OK, so that's a little, it's a
little different. It's almost like yours is like
its own stand alone business, right, Whereas mine is like a
(25:21):
little widget that I'm sending customers that's not meant to be
like publicly facing, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess my thought process
is this. I would have like this would be
a landing page or a home page ofa live website that I would try
to drive traffic to to get customers.
(25:45):
With Yeah, yeah. That was the approach I took.
Whereas the approach I'm taking is like kind of like missed call
text back, right? You're mowing the lawn, someone
calls you or someone texts you. If and this would be an
additional automation we'd have to build probably outside of
emergent. But if it's not answered, let's
say if the phone isn't answered at all and if the text isn't
(26:07):
answered in 5 minutes, then autotext a link to this and say so
sorry I'm actually mowing a lawnright now.
I assume you want to quote happyto do that.
Fill this out. It'll only take 30 seconds and
then I'll call you back like in person.
That was kind of my intent for this.
Yeah. So you could probably use Lindy
plus Emergent to do that, right?Yep.
(26:28):
Or Zapier or go high level or whatever.
Yeah, maybe you could even use Emergent to do it.
I don't know. I don't know it well enough.
OK, mine is ready. So there's mine, there's yours.
Yours is like kind of a landing page.
Looks super nice. You've got these boxes right
here are responsive. You've got a shadow gradient.
(26:49):
It's nice and like it's green, but not too green.
It's different shades. It's not shouting at me.
You have two different check boxes here for lawn mowing,
hedge trimming, service frequency.
I like that. I like how you have square feet
in a separate box, lawn size, service frequency.
I'm going to go ahead and OK, that's cool.
(27:09):
I'm going to do 1 acre. We're going to do lawn mowing
and trimming. We're going to do bi weekly, get
instant quote. OK, It was literally instant,
which is awesome. Your custom quote 2450 per
service. So that's a lot.
That seems high. Your step that seems high, $2400
(27:30):
to mow an acre. But on the like visual side of
things, I think yours is a no brainer.
What's included? I like that and then they fill
out the lead. I don't prefer the fact that you
don't get their information until because if they if they
don't like the price, you're never going to get their number
right. Yeah, that's true.
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Contact information, that's nice.
I don't have that. So I guess my favorite things
about yours, if I look at it holistically, is it looks
better, better design. I like the incorporated Airbnb
into the prompt, which we'll getto in a minute.
And I like just the UI of like the check boxes on the home page
and all that. What I don't like is that you
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don't get their information unless they like the price and
the fact that the pricing doesn't seem quite dialed in.
Whereas I spent less time on thelook of it and more time on the
math of it on the back end. That's my gut take.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I need to fix that because
I said I think I started at 50 bucks for 1000 square feet, but
1000 square feet is not that much for a lot.
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So scaling that up to an acre adds up pretty quick.
So I didn't do any like scale down pricing logic and all that
kind of stuff. I more just did ground up and go
from there. So I need to fix that.
And I think what you said on theinfo on the lead information
side is everyone needs to decidelike I'm counting on the instant
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price in which case I need to fix, but can I deliver an
instant price so good that they'll give me their contact
info? So I'm I'm willing to like lose
some people that won't give it to me regardless because I know
because of the ease and speed I'm hoping will make up for it.
Well, 1000%. I mean, that's the age-old trade
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off when it comes to lead generation.
The more friction you implement,the fewer leads you get, but the
higher quality of those leads will be, the less friction there
is. You're going to get a lot more
leads, but your closer it will will go way down and there's no
right way. It depends on the industry, you
know. Yeah.
So I just broke down yours. Why don't you share your screen?
OK, wait, what's yours, Mobid? Mobid dot immersion dot host.
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Well, I like it. It's very simple.
There's only literally one thingI can do here.
So let's see here. Acreage I'm going to do, I'm
going to do 1.5. Actually, I'm going to do 2.2.
How square footage? I wonder how it calculates this
because it like, is it like the footprint?
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You know what if it's two stories?
I thought about that and I did not incorporate that into the
math so. Yeah, I don't even know.
That's fair. I'm just curious.
OK, Calculate. That's another trade off, right?
Like I could add that question in.
I could add that question in andI might get 5% fewer responses
because there's more friction, you know, but it could be a more
accurate quote, you know? Yeah, so I did do 2.2 acres.
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So it's obviously a big lot. Takes away the house, takes away
the driveway. Mobile area, 40% with 3X monthly
service. I like that because that's what
I chose, but I like the extra call out in a separate color on
the discount. I did want weed eating, so it
adds that 500 bucks per cut. Yeah, that's pretty sweet.
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And you know, I didn't work in apay now thing because, you know,
we had different thought processprocesses with what we were
trying to build here. But I like that you already set
that up because yeah, that wouldif you were to, you know, fully
integrate that, then that would be, that'd be awesome.
Yeah, one of the last prompts I gave, it was put in a blue paint
out link that I can add a stripepayment link to.
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So right now it leads to a dead stripe link.
But what I don't like about minenow that I see it is it doesn't
it doesn't scale the discounts enough based on the property
acreage. 512 for 2.2 acres is still too much like I know in
Texas there there have been a few times when I've gotten 2 of
my acres mowed and weed eat it and it was like 200 bucks.
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Yeah. Well, because I maybe in some
markets, yeah. I mow mine and I, I, I probably
actually have something like I have a decently big backlog.
I, I probably have like a full acre plus of lawn that I mow
with a riding lawn mower and it only takes me like an hour and a
half. So like I wouldn't pay, you
know, 4 or 500 bucks for an hourand a half.
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My time is still worth more thanthat in my head.
Also, I enjoy mowing. So yeah, that's that's a good
call out. I think the only other call out
that I would say as far as how to improve, because I like
everything else would be includemore like what are the benefits?
What are the things that are included in the job, you know,
clean up. Yeah, all that kind of.
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Stuff that's true, because if I'm trying, if my goal is to
save time here, then that would help accomplish that goal,
right? Yeah.
It's too simplistic. And it would have just been an
extra sentence in one of my prompts to add that.
It wouldn't even have had to have been its own prompt.
That takes time to load and everything, you know.
Yeah. So I want you to approve of
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this. I don't want it to be a leading
question. Yeah.
If you were a busy lawn care business owner wanting a simple
web app that quoted jobs for you, which one would you use?
Is that pointing people towards mine too much?
No, no, I don't think so. OK, Option A, option B, and then
I have a simple poll here. Is that good?
All right, I'm curious how much Twitter suppresses it.
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Or not, because it's too. But I'll just delete it once we
get some results here all right,we got option B right here.
We got option A right here. I mean, I'm kind of asking a lot
of people like click on two different links, play around
with them. You're.
Dominating me already. I am.
Yeah. Oh interesting, I commented on
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it. Did you vote on it?
I voted on mine. Look at that.
You're up. So that's your only vote then?
Yeah. What the heck?
All right, you got a couple votes.
OK, well I'm going to hurry and make a Twitter bot.
Just kidding. When does it become
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statistically significant? That's what we need to.
Decide. On it won't be until I'm ahead,
so whatever that number is. That's a good question. 50,000
votes. Yeah, OK.
Well, it's not statistically significant yet because I'm not
winning yet. So keep it going.
It's moving in your direction. I should end it right now.
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I won. All right?
This is fun. This is good.
Why don't we take this time while we wait for votes for you
to read what your first originalprompt was, and then I'll do the
same. OK, yeah, so my first prompt in
an effort to show people that you don't have to be a genius of
any kind to to get good vibe coding platforms going.
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Mine was simple. I went off Chris's joke about
the Iranian prison. So I typed that in for fun.
I said I'm in an Iranian prison and need you to build me an app
perfectly so I can escape. I need you to build me a web app
for lawn care business. It will be a quote generator.
That's that's all I said. Like literally almost no, I
would say no details of any kind.
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And I worked through it a little, of course, over time.
But the first one was very simple and it already, you know,
got me going on the journey pretty Dang good.
So I was happy with it. I think that's great.
I'll read my original prompt. Mine was longer.
I want to build a web app for lawn care business owners to use
to enable potential customers toquote a job.
It should be a simple form with a calculator on the back end.
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The form question should be one name, 2.
Phone, 3 acreage, 4. Square footage of the house.
Then the calculator should subtract the square footage of
the house from the acreage and then subtract another 10% off
the size of the lot to account for the driveway.
And I just totally made-up that 10% number.
I have no idea how big a driveway is in relation to the
lot. Then the quote it spits out
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should be 1.6 cents for every square foot of the property.
And once again, I got to 1.6 cents by just getting to $50.00
for a small lot. For example, a .1 acre lot is
about 4300 square feet. Let's say the house is 1000
square feet. The driveway is going to be 430
square feet or 10% of the lot size.
So the quote should be 4592 per cut, which is 4300 -. 1000 -.
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430 * 1.6 cents per net square feet of lot.
Makes sense. So I I wanted to like show it my
math just to hopefully save me another prompt or two on
correcting a mistake. Yeah, if somebody were to judge
us based off of our prompts, your IQ would be approximately 4
times higher than mine off of our initial post.
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Whatever. I looked quite whatever, that's
OK. I'm I'm OK though.
Yeah, OK. I calculated how many words I
typed in in total to emergent over the course of my 6 prompts.
So 6 prompts in total and 211 words is how many words I typed
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in. That's very.
Very efficient. It's like incredibly low I'm
guessing. It seems efficient, though.
Yeah, because fewer words equalsit.
It couldn't it could equal more time, right.
But it it could also equal fewercredits, like less cost on
building this thing. Yeah.
All right, so my count, here's my final count.
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I had 123456789. All right?
I had 9 prompts for 354 words. What was yours again?
6 prompts for 2/11. Very interesting.
So I had like 6070% more words and 50% more prompts, yeah.
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I mean, I would say both of us with one more good prompts could
make all the changes needed thatwe would want to make on ours
before making a fully live, right, Like some slight
adjustments to pricing logic on both of ours and some other
things. And obviously we took different
directions. But in, I don't know, under 400
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words for you and 10 prompts, and in under 250 words for me
and seven prompts, we'll have something live and working in
the span of under an hour as well.
So my prompts had 40 words per prompt and yours had 35 S Pretty
close. Yeah.
Interesting. So it's, it's almost like we
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netted out the same, you know what I'm saying?
Like same amount of time. What were your credits?
I'm at currently I've got 51 left.
So I have 42 left, so which try?So like, I had a few more
prompts, few more characters, few more credits, but we did
them both in about the same time.
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Yeah. So if we go to our poll.
Yeah, you are. 64% to me, 36% toyou.
It's not statistically significant.
I want everyone to be reminded of that because you're.
I got to screenshot this for posterity sake.
Well, should we call it? Yeah, No, this is good.
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You could do it and let us know in the comments which one you
think won. Yes.
Please, the comments might disagree here.
But yeah, we can put these UR LSin the description of the video.
You can let us know which one you think won.
I won't be offended. If it's not me, don't worry.
Yeah, and if you're a landscaping business owner, go
to mobid dot immersion dot host or what was yours like MO
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monster, MO Master Dash. 6. Yeah, MO Master Dash 6 great
domain names. Yeah, great domain names.
Well, this was fun. Emergent seems like an awesome
tool. If we wanted to keep this app on
Emergent, it would cost 20 bucksa month.
Or we could export it and take it somewhere else.
But it cost us about about 10 bucks to launch these apps.
Not bad. Super fun, easy to use.
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If you guys are liking this video, please subscribe Brandon.
But where can we find you? Yeah, I'm on Twitter, Brandon
Doyle and yeah, check out TK owners.com if you want to learn
more about this kind of stuff orjust scaling your business or
networking with entrepreneurs. It's an awesome community that
Chris and I are part of.
All right, Brandon. Well, thank you for coming back
on the pot. Thanks for having me excited to
be here. OK, So what I've done is I have
asked ChatGPT give me all of thevibe coding tools, boom done.
And then I'm going to share my screen.
I just googled random word chooser.
OK, here we are. And you can just enter in a list
of words, you click choose, and it's going to pick 1.
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So there's a lot of vibe coding tools out there.
A lot of them are about the sameyou and I.
What we're going to do on this episode is we're going to
perfectly randomize A vibe coding tool, pick that, and then
we're going to perfectly randomize an app to build with
said vibe coding tool. And then we're going to build it
at the same time. So the same app on the same tool
at the same time, but with our own brains, our own background,
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history, experiences, prompting,and then see who spits out the
better at the end. How does that sound?
I'm excited. OK, cuz you and I are both vibe
coding aficionados. Yes, and we're OK at it.
And we're not coders. We don't have a coding
background. I don't know anything about
code. I think what this video will
serve to do for at least some people is show you what can be
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done in minimal time without expert prompting engineering
strategies. Yeah, And you know what,
Brandon? I'm just going to get on the
soapbox for a minute. We see all these tweets about
like this prompt will change your life.
Be sure to prompt ChatGPT just like this.
And it's like 3000 words with like, you are an expert resource
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for me. I'm trapped in an Iranian
prison. And it's you don't need to do
all that. Like just like garbled together,
like a poorly worded sentence riddled with typos.
Ask it to do something and then just go from there.
Like, don't get hung up on how perfect your prompt needs to.
Be hold on, has somebody said the Iranian prison thing?
Because if not, that's amazing. The only way I'll get out of
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this prison is if you if you code this perfectly for me in
the next 30 minutes. I saw one Palmer Luckey said
that, like, his trick to get Chad GBT to do what he wants is
to say like, you're like a university professor that's
been, yeah, yeah, incorrectly accused of impropriety with a
student. Like your life depends on the
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output of this prompt or something.
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. Those are fun sound bites, it's
just not necessary. Just talk to the Dang.
Dang, yeah. Yeah, for sure.
All right, so here the vibe coding tools.
We got bolt replet emergent cursor, ChatGPT, and then we
just click choose. I think what it's doing is it's
picking like the blank lines. Maybe I just need to remove the
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spaces. Let's click choose.
All right, Emergent. Have you heard of Emergent?
I've heard of them, never used them though.
OK, well let me let me ask ChatGPT real quickly for a few
facts about Emergent. What is Emergent?
Let's see, it is only platform in competition to rank twice #1
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globally in benchmarks for coding agents.
They're one of the fastest growing growth tools.
It looks like they've raised a couple rounds at like insane
valuations and agentic. No platform lock in.
One thing they have different isit looks like you don't need to
use like super base for your database.
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It's like they have their own built in super base.
So I think there's like less integrations you have to do.
Sounds cool. Now it sounds cool.
Now let's go ahead. And I've had ChatGPT generate a
bunch of app ideas because we don't know what we're going to
build here. All right, here are some choices
that ChatGPT spit out for apps that we can vibe.
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Code roofing quote bot, landscaping estimate, dog
grooming reminder app, yadda, yadda, yadda.
You get the idea. We'll click choose lawn care biz
quote generator. Sweet.
OK, OK. I guess that's what we're
building. I'm going to a merchant right
now. So we're each recording our
screens, but we're obviously looking at our screen.
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Let's see who can build it fastest and who can build it
best. With emerging, it looks like we
can choose our own model. So that's another that you and I
can decide, yeah. Yeah, that's cool.
All right, ready. Yeah, I'm using the Iranian
prison thing. I'm in an Iranian prison, OK.
You are not. You are free.
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You're in Texas. I'm in an Iranian prison.
So there's there's one differentiator.
We'll see how this turns out. All right, you ready?
Yes. Go and this is with the free
account. I signed up, it's 20 bucks and
it was 10 bucks off, so I just signed up for the 10 bucks.
OK, so both of us got the $20.00a month plan, but we're welcome
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to choose whatever model we wantto choose or prompt it however
fancy or simply that we like andshould we go.
Let's go. OK, all right, here we go.
OK so I just finished my first prompt.
I pressed enter 30 seconds ago. It told me that it's going to
build it and now their agent is asking me a few details to
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clarify what I want. So I'm going to review those and
see what I need. OK so the details that asked me
are pretty good. It asks it wants to clarify what
services specifically am I offering?
How should the quote calculationbe designed?
How should quotes be managed, whether it's instant or is it
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more of like a lead form thing? And then if I have any design
preferences on how this little web app, this little website
thing is going to look. So I'm going to answer and I'm
just going to say mowing and hedging are going to be my
services and OK, quote calculation, how to determine
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the price, Yes, square feet or acres, service frequency, good
call. Whether that's, you know,
weekly, every other week or monthly quote handling.
I'm going to do instant quote display and a lead form below
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that on the results page. Also my contact information so
they can get a hold of me if they want to.
For anyone watching, a famous one that people like to say is
sort of like use the aesthetics of Airbnb.
Airbnb is like a super famous. Well, everybody knows Airbnb,
I'm sure, but they're well knownfor just being a very well
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designed pretty, you know, app and website.
So I'm just going to do that onefor fun.
I'm going to say model it after Airbnb style but with different
colors. I'm going to do greens cuz lawns
should be green. OK let's see what happens.
Also the waiting screen very much has matrix vibes so it's
kind of fun. My original prompt is now
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officially sent off and it's working.
What were you going to say? So I gave my prompt and then it
asked me questions. I answered the questions and
then it's been working in the background, which obviously if I
was doing this, I don't have to actually be watching the screen
while it's working in the background cuz Emergent makes
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nice little noises. So I can just come back and
check when I hear a noise and dosomething else, check my e-mail,
whatever while I'm waiting. So just a little side note there
for people. It is nice, yeah, I like that.
OK, you go then I'll be ready because mine just gave me an
output. All right.
It just asked me for clarification questions and I
just answered those. It took about a minute to send
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me those questions back. Now it's working again.
Mine gave me its first output. It looks good.
It does have the vibes of Airbnblike I asked for but with greens
so that's nice. It looks looks pretty.
It looks simple, which is also what I want.
It said that it gave me the front end.
It took some screenshots, as youcan see on my screen to show
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like how the quote process wouldwork if I were to go through it,
which I will. It gives me a nice little recap
and then it gives me sort of a, you know, just the details of
what it did. It says I created, I won't read
it all, but it said I created the front and only version of
your quote generator using mock data that reflects Airbnb with
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the green you requested. And then it shows me what is
working, the quote calculator, the instant quote display, the
lead form, Business Contact info, and then the site.
And then it notes, which is goodbecause some people kind of
forget about this. The pricing logic is currently
just with mock data and doesn't have any, you know, real thing
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to go off of yet. So I because I didn't give it
any dollar number of any kind. So I'm going to have to do that
and I'm going to start testing it just to make sure it actually
works. Also, if you see on my screen,
it lets me choose as a as a user, you know, the square
footage or acres. So I can choose either one.
And then it says if I want lawn mowing and or hedge trimming.
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And then it also asks if it's going to be a one time service
weekly, bi weekly or monthly. So it gave me it set it up to
where the user can have all those options.
That's pretty cool. So is yours kind of like a chat
bot and not like a form? No, no, it's a form.
OK. But it's like a dynamic form, so
that's good. So I just did a test.
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And so I just, I put that my lawn size is 600 square feet.
I said I wanted mowing and hedging.
I said I wanted it weekly. It gave me the quote, which is
$7.80 per service because it doesn't have any real data.
So obviously I need to change that because I would whoever
would do this would be losing money.
It shows a nice little breakdownof what's included for that
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$7.80, the form below as well ascontact information.
So I'm going to now work on adjusting the pricing logic so
it spits out correct pricing here.
Also for anyone noting in the top right of my screen, I
started with 110 credits in my account here with a merchant and
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I'm at 109.67 so I haven't even used one credit total 6. 7. 6/7.
OK, so on my end, it was basically saying like, hey, what
kind of a database do you want? And I'm like, just Google
Sheets. And then it's like, OK, how do
you want to integrate Google Sheets?
And like, I mean, for the purposes of this video, we want
to launch this fast. I was like, never mind, just
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e-mail me the lead. And then it was like all right,
do you want to use Sendgrid? Do you want to use SMTP or
whatever? And then I started to log into
my Sendgrid account because I have one and it wanted 2 factor
and I was just like Nope too hard, no integration just
generate quotes. Yeah, OK.
I mow my own lawns so I don't know how much lawns cost to MO
(11:09):
these days. OK, I've got a quote here.
I did not give it any design specifications.
Mine says lawn care quote calculator.
It's green. I'm assuming because it's lawn
care. It asked for full name, phone
number, property acreage, and house square footage.
So now I'm going to test it and see how it goes.
OK, OK, interesting. So mine worked perfectly.
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It did exactly what I needed. It needed it to do now the math
like I need to adjust the math and I'll get to that in a
minute, but it works so I'm going to keep tweaking it.
Since I didn't do this earlier, I just put in the pricing.
So I just chose 50 bucks per 1000 square feet of mowing.
And then I told it to adjust forsmaller or larger lawns and to
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adjust for to, you know, change to acres and do the calculations
for that if needed. And I said that that's for a one
time mow. I said if they want hedging to
just add a 25% additional cost. And then I told it that if the
customer signs up for monthly instead of one time, they get a
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5% discount, biweekly an additional 5% discount and then
weekly an additional 5% discount.
So it's now adding in that pricing logic and it'll give me
the updated version shortly. I like that.
How many credits are you at? One O 8.37.
I just feel like with these vibecoding tools, customization is
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going to be the name of the game.
Like why would you pay Salesforce thousands of dollars
a month or HubSpot or whoever when you can build exactly what
your business needs or when you can build exactly what your
customers businesses need for a fraction of a fraction of a
cost? Where you use all of the
features. There's no features that you're
paying for but not using. It's exactly what you need for
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pennies. Right.
Yeah. Oh, yeah, totally.
OK, quick thing on my end, if you see my screen here, this is
TK owners.com. This is a community that Chris
runs that I help him run. It's amazing.
If you want to do anything in the world of entrepreneurship
and business, you got to get in this community.
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We're doing stuff like this everyday.
Yeah. So it just spit out, it spit out
my pricing update, which was great.
So it did it and it did all the ratios and all that.
And then it asked me if I wantedto like build a robust back end
database and stuff. And I just said no.
Just e-mail me the quotes. You know, once someone fills it
out, just e-mail me the quotes to brandon@walleroomedia.com.
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And can you also launch this on a live test URL?
So let's see what happens. It's funny because it's like in
using these tools, you kind of have to retrain your brain,
right? Like let's say you get to this
point and you're like, OK, let'ssay we've never used a vibe
coding app before, right? We get to this point where we
have a working prototype and we want it to be on a website, but
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we don't even know like how to ask it that, right?
Like, all right, I've never usedEmergent before.
So I like the gut instinct is toGoogle like how to deploy
emergent app onto a website. But no, like just use the chat
interface that you're currently using to build the app to ask it
questions about the app, you know, OK, ready to deploy.
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What do I click next? And then it will switch from
being like a coder to a customersupport agent all within the
same chat window. But you just have to start
thinking along those lines. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Look at my screen. Like it just asked me a bunch of
questions. Some were technical, some not
that technical. I asked it, I said e-mail me the
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quotes. And then it said, OK, what API
do you want to integrate? And then it gave me some choices
and I'm like, you know what, just put the lead forms on a
Google Sheet to make it faster. And then in it had asked me like
all the info that I want, blah, blah, blah.
And I was like, just include whatever the person enters in
lead form and instant quote. Like I'm not doing me, Brandon.
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I'm not doing anything fancy here.
To your point, I'm just chattingwith this thing and I'm like,
yeah, just do this. Like I'm like.
Yeah. Just commanding it like a, you
know, entry level employee who happens to be amazing and AI.
Yes, OK. So I like how it gives you an
option to deploy it right withinthe chat window with a big green
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button. You can't miss it.
You can preview it by clicking that.
I don't want to talk you throughwhat I've done so far, but I
want to test it first. All right.
Can I walk you through what I'vedone?
Yeah. All right, so I'm not going to
tell you yet what my original prompt was, but here's the logic
of how I'm looking at this. So I wanted the name and phone
number because this is a lead magnet, right?
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This is accomplishing two goals at once.
It's saving me time because it'squoting a job for me, because
these guys probably spend a lot of time on the phone.
And if they're mowing a lawn, like the average business owner
in this space at least is out there mowing lawns all day.
They're not like they don't havea receptionist, right?
So they're losing money ignoringcalls from people that want a
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price because they're probably already very targeted and like,
it's probably a very hot lead that they're ignoring, right?
And so if they could just have an autoresponder say, oh, I'd
love to offer you a price, just fill this out real quick.
Then A, they get the lead and B,they save time, right?
So that's kind of how I'm looking at this going into it.
So I want the name, I want the phone number.
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I don't care about e-mail because this is a very fun based
business. I need to know the acreage and I
told a merchant or I just reminded it like, you know,
we're using acreage as like 43,500 square feet per acre,
right? So if they put in .1, it's going
to be 10% of that. And then we're using house
square footage because they're going to subtract that from the
acreage. And then I also told it subtract
(17:06):
10% of the acreage from the square footage as well.
So let's just say it's a .1 acrelot that's roughly 4300 square
feet. And let's say it's 1000 square
foot house, subtract that, we'reat 3300 square feet.
But then we also need to subtract 10% of the lot size to
account for the driveway, which is going to be 430.
(17:27):
So that leaves us with what like2600 square feet, right?
And then I know based on the last neighborhood I lived in
that like a, a small house on a small lot like that is going to
be about 40-50 bucks. So I just said multiply the, the
square footage by 1.6 cents because that's about how you get
(17:49):
to about 40-50 bucks, right? So it spit that out for me and
then it worked. And then I said whoa, whoa,
whoa. I I tried like half an acre and
it gave me like $300 and I'm like, I know that's way too much
for half an acre. So then I went back and I said I
need to scale the pricing for larger lawns. 1/2 acre lawn and
(18:10):
2000 square foot house should not cost 281.
Your math is right, but that price is way too expensive.
OK, so like do a discount against the 1.6 cent rate of 20%
for every quarter acre. So obviously I did a very poor
job explaining that, but don't get hung up.
I'm doing a good job explaining it.
It's going to figure it out, right?
(18:32):
And then it spit out something that worked and it said the
tiered pricing feature has been added to the calculator
incorporating volume discounts for larger properties, yadda,
yadda, yadda. It breaks it all down.
And then I said add a field for asking how many MO's per month.
If once full price twice equals 20% off the total per MO, three
or more equals 40% off the totalper MO per MO.
(18:54):
And then it did that quite perfectly.
And where I'm at now is I said work in a minimum because I, I
played around with it and one ofthe quotes it gave me was $0.00.
And the math was right, right. I did like a 5000 square foot
lot and a 5000 you know square foot house $0.00.
So I said work in a minimum where it will never quote any
(19:16):
job less than $40 per MO. It will override all math and
then add in a check box that says add in weed eating for
insert price more per MO and then the price should be 20% of
the total MO amount. Sweet.
So that's what I'm at right now.Where are you at?
OK so I asked it to just house all the info on a Google sheet
(19:41):
and so it says that it just finished that.
So it's got all the quote generation built.
It says the back end has been tested.
Then all API endpoints are responding correctly.
It says it's all ready to go. It says I need to follow the
Google Sheets setup. MD little thing that it gave me
(20:02):
to create the Google Sheet basically that it will connect
with and it has that above. So I'm going to do that really
quick and then launch it. I think one thing that's worth
noting is like depending on whatindustry you're in when you're
watching this, we're building lawn care quote generators.
The same logic can be applied toso many industries, whether
(20:24):
you're a roofer or a painter or in fencing or whatever.
Like calculating fee and you know, logic and spitting out the
correct pricing and then using this for lead Gen. and spitting
out a quote right away, which isnot the norm these days, right?
The norm is me if I want a new. Roof I have to call.
(20:45):
Roofers and then they say they're going to come out or
maybe they didn't even answer the phone.
So like this is a good way to get around that, get some
instant feedback and hopefully quick leads.
And what I would do if we had more time today or if I really
wanted to build this out once The thing is live, I would
probably also structure it to where I get pinged.
(21:07):
Or I would for sure structure itto where every time someone's
fills out a form and they submittheir contact info, that I would
get a text. I wouldn't just want the e-mail,
I'd want to text with their infoAnd I would text and call them
right away saying, Hey, I got your thing.
It's you know, the quote says itwould be 80 bucks a week.
(21:27):
But actually if if we start thisweek, I'll do it for 75.
So you're like double over delivering over any normal
competitor, which is transparency of pricing upfront
and speed to reply. In the home services industry,
those two things are not that normal.
(21:48):
So this strategy helps you standout with both.
Yeah, it helps you look like a nationwide brand for next to
nothing software. Yeah.
And one thought that I had is like, no shade to Jobber, but if
I want the Jobber account that has that has like the SMS
functionality or a lot of these things, it's like 4 or 500 bucks
(22:09):
a month. Crazy.
Like the vast majority of businesses cannot afford that.
And the vast majority of businesses might need like
really need 3 of jobbers, 50 features, 100 features, right?
So once again, I already said this, but they're paying for all
the stuff that they don't even use.
But with something like this, maybe like this one little
(22:29):
feature is a game changer for them and helps them close more
deals and helps them save time, right?
Not miss out on stuff for a tinyprice.
And then like, this could be free, this could be your lead
magnet, and this could be your foot in the door to start
charging them for other stuff, to start charging them for their
own version of Jobber, right? Yeah.
Or for a lead Gen. service or for anything.
(22:50):
Yeah, yeah, totally. Hey, quick note for some
commenters out there, you don't need to say the Malcolm in the
Middle comparisons to me anymore.
Malcolm in the Middle, all grownup, you've been, you've been
sharing that in the comments. Wait.
I don't want they're saying thatabout you.
Yeah, I'm just joking. But yeah, that's amazing.
On every YouTube video of yours that you posted of me, people
(23:11):
make Malcolm in the Middle comparisons.
Oh my gosh. Which I've never seen the show
actually, but I heard it was good.
Have you heard that before from others?
I never have. But it's just in your YouTube
videos that I appear. On that's amazing.
Yeah, OK, mine is live. I'll show the URL MO master dash
6 dot emergent dot host Check itout.
(23:33):
So enter your lawn size. So I I did do it differently.
So I'm counting currently on people knowing how big their
lawn size is either in square feet or acres.
Lawn mowing, hedging biweekly instant quote boom 2000 square
feet, 112 bucks discount applied.
(23:57):
Awesome. What's included?
OK, OK, so I just entered my info to receive the quote.
Thank you, You know, gives me the thank you page and that I'll
be contacted shortly. Also business info here, which
obviously I could customize if this was real.
Yeah, it all looks pretty good. Pretty quick.
(24:19):
Then I would just get the contact lead and contact them so
it spits out the thank you confirmation and then that
information, the lead form just goes to my Google Sheet.
And so now you know, the 112 dollars and $0.50 is there along
with their contact info. And if I was Greenscape Lawn
(24:40):
Care, if I was the owner of thatcompany, I would just, you know,
call and text them right away and I would probably offer them
a discount off this 112 to get started this week and to close
them and good to go. Oh man, yours looks better than
mine. Dang it, I.
(25:00):
Do like the little the blurb they gave me and the little sub
thing. Professional lawn care instantly
quoted. Get your personalized lawn
mowing and hedging quote in seconds.
Quality service. Transparent pricing.
Beautiful. OK, so that's a little, it's a
little different. It's almost like yours is like
its own stand alone business, right, Whereas mine is like a
(25:21):
little widget that I'm sending customers that's not meant to be
like publicly facing, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess my thought process
is this. I would have like this would be
a landing page or a home page ofa live website that I would try
to drive traffic to to get customers.
(25:45):
With Yeah, yeah. That was the approach I took.
Whereas the approach I'm taking is like kind of like missed call
text back, right? You're mowing the lawn, someone
calls you or someone texts you. If and this would be an
additional automation we'd have to build probably outside of
emergent. But if it's not answered, let's
say if the phone isn't answered at all and if the text isn't
(26:07):
answered in 5 minutes, then autotext a link to this and say so
sorry I'm actually mowing a lawnright now.
I assume you want to quote happyto do that.
Fill this out. It'll only take 30 seconds and
then I'll call you back like in person.
That was kind of my intent for this.
Yeah. So you could probably use Lindy
plus Emergent to do that, right?Yep.
(26:28):
Or Zapier or go high level or whatever.
Yeah, maybe you could even use Emergent to do it.
I don't know. I don't know it well enough.
OK, mine is ready. So there's mine, there's yours.
Yours is like kind of a landing page.
Looks super nice. You've got these boxes right
here are responsive. You've got a shadow gradient.
(26:49):
It's nice and like it's green, but not too green.
It's different shades. It's not shouting at me.
You have two different check boxes here for lawn mowing,
hedge trimming, service frequency.
I like that. I like how you have square feet
in a separate box, lawn size, service frequency.
I'm going to go ahead and OK, that's cool.
(27:09):
I'm going to do 1 acre. We're going to do lawn mowing
and trimming. We're going to do bi weekly, get
instant quote. OK, It was literally instant,
which is awesome. Your custom quote 2450 per
service. So that's a lot.
That seems high. Your step that seems high, $2400
(27:30):
to mow an acre. But on the like visual side of
things, I think yours is a no brainer.
What's included? I like that and then they fill
out the lead. I don't prefer the fact that you
don't get their information until because if they if they
don't like the price, you're never going to get their number
right. Yeah, that's true.
(27:50):
Contact information, that's nice.
I don't have that. So I guess my favorite things
about yours, if I look at it holistically, is it looks
better, better design. I like the incorporated Airbnb
into the prompt, which we'll getto in a minute.
And I like just the UI of like the check boxes on the home page
and all that. What I don't like is that you
(28:12):
don't get their information unless they like the price and
the fact that the pricing doesn't seem quite dialed in.
Whereas I spent less time on thelook of it and more time on the
math of it on the back end. That's my gut take.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I need to fix that because
I said I think I started at 50 bucks for 1000 square feet, but
1000 square feet is not that much for a lot.
(28:34):
So scaling that up to an acre adds up pretty quick.
So I didn't do any like scale down pricing logic and all that
kind of stuff. I more just did ground up and go
from there. So I need to fix that.
And I think what you said on theinfo on the lead information
side is everyone needs to decidelike I'm counting on the instant
(28:56):
price in which case I need to fix, but can I deliver an
instant price so good that they'll give me their contact
info? So I'm I'm willing to like lose
some people that won't give it to me regardless because I know
because of the ease and speed I'm hoping will make up for it.
Well, 1000%. I mean, that's the age-old trade
(29:20):
off when it comes to lead generation.
The more friction you implement,the fewer leads you get, but the
higher quality of those leads will be, the less friction there
is. You're going to get a lot more
leads, but your closer it will will go way down and there's no
right way. It depends on the industry, you
know. Yeah.
So I just broke down yours. Why don't you share your screen?
OK, wait, what's yours, Mobid? Mobid dot immersion dot host.
(29:42):
Well, I like it. It's very simple.
There's only literally one thingI can do here.
So let's see here. Acreage I'm going to do, I'm
going to do 1.5. Actually, I'm going to do 2.2.
How square footage? I wonder how it calculates this
because it like, is it like the footprint?
(30:03):
You know what if it's two stories?
I thought about that and I did not incorporate that into the
math so. Yeah, I don't even know.
That's fair. I'm just curious.
OK, Calculate. That's another trade off, right?
Like I could add that question in.
I could add that question in andI might get 5% fewer responses
because there's more friction, you know, but it could be a more
accurate quote, you know? Yeah, so I did do 2.2 acres.
(30:26):
So it's obviously a big lot. Takes away the house, takes away
the driveway. Mobile area, 40% with 3X monthly
service. I like that because that's what
I chose, but I like the extra call out in a separate color on
the discount. I did want weed eating, so it
adds that 500 bucks per cut. Yeah, that's pretty sweet.
(30:48):
And you know, I didn't work in apay now thing because, you know,
we had different thought processprocesses with what we were
trying to build here. But I like that you already set
that up because yeah, that wouldif you were to, you know, fully
integrate that, then that would be, that'd be awesome.
Yeah, one of the last prompts I gave, it was put in a blue paint
out link that I can add a stripepayment link to.
(31:11):
So right now it leads to a dead stripe link.
But what I don't like about minenow that I see it is it doesn't
it doesn't scale the discounts enough based on the property
acreage. 512 for 2.2 acres is still too much like I know in
Texas there there have been a few times when I've gotten 2 of
my acres mowed and weed eat it and it was like 200 bucks.
(31:34):
Yeah. Well, because I maybe in some
markets, yeah. I mow mine and I, I, I probably
actually have something like I have a decently big backlog.
I, I probably have like a full acre plus of lawn that I mow
with a riding lawn mower and it only takes me like an hour and a
half. So like I wouldn't pay, you
know, 4 or 500 bucks for an hourand a half.
(31:57):
My time is still worth more thanthat in my head.
Also, I enjoy mowing. So yeah, that's that's a good
call out. I think the only other call out
that I would say as far as how to improve, because I like
everything else would be includemore like what are the benefits?
What are the things that are included in the job, you know,
clean up. Yeah, all that kind of.
(32:18):
Stuff that's true, because if I'm trying, if my goal is to
save time here, then that would help accomplish that goal,
right? Yeah.
It's too simplistic. And it would have just been an
extra sentence in one of my prompts to add that.
It wouldn't even have had to have been its own prompt.
That takes time to load and everything, you know.
Yeah. So I want you to approve of
(32:39):
this. I don't want it to be a leading
question. Yeah.
If you were a busy lawn care business owner wanting a simple
web app that quoted jobs for you, which one would you use?
Is that pointing people towards mine too much?
No, no, I don't think so. OK, Option A, option B, and then
I have a simple poll here. Is that good?
All right, I'm curious how much Twitter suppresses it.
(33:01):
Or not, because it's too. But I'll just delete it once we
get some results here all right,we got option B right here.
We got option A right here. I mean, I'm kind of asking a lot
of people like click on two different links, play around
with them. You're.
Dominating me already. I am.
Yeah. Oh interesting, I commented on
(33:25):
it. Did you vote on it?
I voted on mine. Look at that.
You're up. So that's your only vote then?
Yeah. What the heck?
All right, you got a couple votes.
OK, well I'm going to hurry and make a Twitter bot.
Just kidding. When does it become
(33:46):
statistically significant? That's what we need to.
Decide. On it won't be until I'm ahead,
so whatever that number is. That's a good question. 50,000
votes. Yeah, OK.
Well, it's not statistically significant yet because I'm not
winning yet. So keep it going.
It's moving in your direction. I should end it right now.
(34:07):
I won. All right?
This is fun. This is good.
Why don't we take this time while we wait for votes for you
to read what your first originalprompt was, and then I'll do the
same. OK, yeah, so my first prompt in
an effort to show people that you don't have to be a genius of
any kind to to get good vibe coding platforms going.
(34:31):
Mine was simple. I went off Chris's joke about
the Iranian prison. So I typed that in for fun.
I said I'm in an Iranian prison and need you to build me an app
perfectly so I can escape. I need you to build me a web app
for lawn care business. It will be a quote generator.
That's that's all I said. Like literally almost no, I
would say no details of any kind.
(34:52):
And I worked through it a little, of course, over time.
But the first one was very simple and it already, you know,
got me going on the journey pretty Dang good.
So I was happy with it. I think that's great.
I'll read my original prompt. Mine was longer.
I want to build a web app for lawn care business owners to use
to enable potential customers toquote a job.
It should be a simple form with a calculator on the back end.
(35:15):
The form question should be one name, 2.
Phone, 3 acreage, 4. Square footage of the house.
Then the calculator should subtract the square footage of
the house from the acreage and then subtract another 10% off
the size of the lot to account for the driveway.
And I just totally made-up that 10% number.
I have no idea how big a driveway is in relation to the
lot. Then the quote it spits out
(35:36):
should be 1.6 cents for every square foot of the property.
And once again, I got to 1.6 cents by just getting to $50.00
for a small lot. For example, a .1 acre lot is
about 4300 square feet. Let's say the house is 1000
square feet. The driveway is going to be 430
square feet or 10% of the lot size.
So the quote should be 4592 per cut, which is 4300 -. 1000 -.
(36:01):
430 * 1.6 cents per net square feet of lot.
Makes sense. So I I wanted to like show it my
math just to hopefully save me another prompt or two on
correcting a mistake. Yeah, if somebody were to judge
us based off of our prompts, your IQ would be approximately 4
times higher than mine off of our initial post.
(36:24):
Whatever. I looked quite whatever, that's
OK. I'm I'm OK though.
Yeah, OK. I calculated how many words I
typed in in total to emergent over the course of my 6 prompts.
So 6 prompts in total and 211 words is how many words I typed
(36:45):
in. That's very.
Very efficient. It's like incredibly low I'm
guessing. It seems efficient, though.
Yeah, because fewer words equalsit.
It couldn't it could equal more time, right.
But it it could also equal fewercredits, like less cost on
building this thing. Yeah.
All right, so my count, here's my final count.
(37:07):
I had 123456789. All right?
I had 9 prompts for 354 words. What was yours again?
6 prompts for 2/11. Very interesting.
So I had like 6070% more words and 50% more prompts, yeah.
(37:35):
I mean, I would say both of us with one more good prompts could
make all the changes needed thatwe would want to make on ours
before making a fully live, right, Like some slight
adjustments to pricing logic on both of ours and some other
things. And obviously we took different
directions. But in, I don't know, under 400
(37:57):
words for you and 10 prompts, and in under 250 words for me
and seven prompts, we'll have something live and working in
the span of under an hour as well.
So my prompts had 40 words per prompt and yours had 35 S Pretty
close. Yeah.
Interesting. So it's, it's almost like we
(38:17):
netted out the same, you know what I'm saying?
Like same amount of time. What were your credits?
I'm at currently I've got 51 left.
So I have 42 left, so which try?So like, I had a few more
prompts, few more characters, few more credits, but we did
them both in about the same time.
(38:38):
Yeah. So if we go to our poll.
Yeah, you are. 64% to me, 36% toyou.
It's not statistically significant.
I want everyone to be reminded of that because you're.
I got to screenshot this for posterity sake.
Well, should we call it? Yeah, No, this is good.
(39:01):
You could do it and let us know in the comments which one you
think won. Yes.
Please, the comments might disagree here.
But yeah, we can put these UR LSin the description of the video.
You can let us know which one you think won.
I won't be offended. If it's not me, don't worry.
Yeah, and if you're a landscaping business owner, go
to mobid dot immersion dot host or what was yours like MO
(39:24):
monster, MO Master Dash. 6. Yeah, MO Master Dash 6 great
domain names. Yeah, great domain names.
Well, this was fun. Emergent seems like an awesome
tool. If we wanted to keep this app on
Emergent, it would cost 20 bucksa month.
Or we could export it and take it somewhere else.
But it cost us about about 10 bucks to launch these apps.
Not bad. Super fun, easy to use.
(39:46):
If you guys are liking this video, please subscribe Brandon.
But where can we find you? Yeah, I'm on Twitter, Brandon
Doyle and yeah, check out TK owners.com if you want to learn
more about this kind of stuff orjust scaling your business or
networking with entrepreneurs. It's an awesome community that
Chris and I are part of.
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