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Speaker 1 (00:00):
G'day guys.
Welcome back to another episodeof Level Up.
Something a bit different today, bit of a wrap-up for 2024.
It's been an absolutelycracking year this year.
We have smashed it out.
We've had so many incredibleguests and, look, it is
unbelievable.
We appreciate your support onmaking this Australia's number
one construction podcast.
So sit back and relax.
(00:20):
So we've pulled out the bestbits, uh, and look, the reason
we have done this is because wewant you to sit back over your
break and go back and get thejuicy bits and look if you get a
bit out of it, go and find thefull podcast and listen to it,
because these guests have made amassive difference to a lot of
people's lives by sharing theirstories.
So, uh, let us know what youthink.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I came in here today to get deep, you know,
like sitting.
You know we switched to bourbonsitting at the back of the pub
where we're talking about ouremotions, and I didn't think
we'd get anywhere near that.
You know, because you are justsuch a humble person that just
wants everyone else to succeedyou know, mate, that was fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I need to talk about this because there are so many
people that reach out to me nowin that situation and they don't
push through.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And it is hard.
But reality is, life is hardand you've got to push through.
So, like, at that point, like,mate, I couldn't even.
Like, like I couldn't, we couldnot even afford to.
Like, we had this monthly billsand I couldn't, but we couldn't
pay them and I, I couldn't.
I couldn't sell shit like I had, I was running out of shit to
(01:37):
sell and the shit that I had tosell wouldn't have covered what
we had to pay anyway.
So I bit my tongue, mate, Istarted I actually started
reaching out to some of my dad'smates older mates that I knew
had money yep, telling them thesituation, trying to trying to
um see what we could do.
Uh, one guy lent us some money,which was um awesome, we
(02:01):
obviously paid it all back.
Uh, a member of camille'sfamily actually ended up lending
us a large sum of money.
Yep, and that was, that was myturning point, mate.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So that was so this is where we get to next.
So your pivot point when didyou like?
It's easy, at that point there,right, most people would just
throw in the towel, I'm a victim, and you'd be sitting there and
be a different narrative sayingthis is what happened to me.
Fuck the world, you know, likeit's, it's, it's every.
It's not my fault everywhere.
But you didn't take that path.
You turned and one of thequestions here is um, when did
(02:36):
you start like success media?
When did you start?
And what did you start lookingfor?
Like, how did it pull you outof that situation?
Like with any books, and which,what age did you start?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
looking for like how did it pull you out of that?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
situation like with any books.
And which?
How?
What age did you start looking?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
into that kind of not then stuff.
So the turning point, mate, waslike for me it was like I can't
even describe it like to be tohave to make phone calls to
people to to borrow money whenyou're a grown man, you got a
young family and, on face valuefor the last, for the previous
six, eight years, you've beenfucking killing it Like yeah,
(03:11):
that's.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I can see it in your eyes, mate, Like it's, it's,
it's fucked.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
It's completely fucked and, um, I was like we
couldn't afford it and I thinkthis is a this is a really
important point, because I getso many people reach out to me,
um, that want to join our live,life, build community and tell
me they can't afford it.
Yeah, I, I could not afford itat all, but I still remember
sitting.
We had an office under ourhouse, old house.
(03:37):
We're living in um, my myself,my wife, uh, the admin lady that
we had at the time and likewe're gonna have to get coaching
, gonna have to get help, like I, we don't have the answers, so
we need someone to help us yeahand that was the start of a
journey that went for threeyears, so basically over three.
The next three years from 2012to 2015.
(03:57):
So we're only talking nineyears ago.
Like this isn't a long time ago, mate.
I reached out to coaches,mentors that I knew in the
industry, and by this time Iwasn't on social media, but I
was getting shown on Facebook.
There were some people on thereteaching.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
In the background.
Here your business is.
You're still just trying toclaw all through.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh, mate I'm every day is clawing, but every day
was fucked, mate I.
I did not want to get out ofbed, and then I'd push myself
out of bed, I'd go to site, I'dset up the guys, make sure
everything looked and soundedrosy, and then I'd fucking go
and hide in a car park somewhereor drive out in the country and
drive around for fucking sixhours and then, because the
(04:39):
phone could still ring, I couldstill give people answers.
No one knew where I was or whatI was doing that, or I was
fucking sitting in a side of acliff somewhere thinking about
fucking driving off of it.
Yeah, like so.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So at this point you're at rock bottom and you
choose to to fight the battleand go against it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I couldn't give up on my family yeah, like camille
and and um starting a youngfamily, like there was no way in
the world I was gonna fail onthat.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, you made the right choice because I'll tell
you now through this podcast, Ireckon you're gonna save a few
lives because it does get thatlow the industry and that's what
people you know like it gets itgets low, it's I can't stress
that point enough.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Like everyone that rings me and says they need help
and they want to do stuff andand thinks they can't afford it,
you have to afford it.
You've got to put your moneyinto.
Like, if you don't know theanswers, you have to talk, deal
with people that do all thathave been through it like.
This is the only way yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
So then it all happened like we had to do a bit
of background work, you know,because it was like then I was
new to it all, I hadn't'tregistered an ABN, I hadn't done
any of that.
But then because I was workingfor JJ Richards once I'd done a
bit of background check, it wasa conflict of interest.
So then I had to resign from myjob before I could take any
(05:56):
moves.
So then we pretty much goteverything ready to rock and
roll.
You know, finance sort of founda truck, half ordered bins, and
then we resigned from jj, Iresigned from jjs, and then it
was just go busters, yeah.
So then we found a truck wewent out to uh, it was out at
(06:19):
king roy went and picked it upand then it was old, it was 50
grand off.
An ex skip company had to getit all fixed up, repainted.
Bought some old skips, got themre-sprayed, all the holes fixed
and then.
So you do some of this stuffyourself no, we had to outsource
it all because there was just.
It came to the time, you know.
(06:40):
So I just spoke to a lot ofpeople I know and my sister
works at superior pack wherethey build garbage trucks.
Yeah, so they were, becausethey were willing to help me out
, fix a few things, paint thetruck up, paint the bins.
Yeah, so that was a massivehelp.
And then, yeah, just created alittle website from a coffee guy
I met when I used to pick thebins up there.
(07:00):
Um went back and seen him andsaid, pete, it's time to make
that website mate, and he wasmore than happy, created the
website.
And then, yeah, just spoke to alot of my friends and family
and the the work just startedcoming in.
That one phone call came fromacm constructions.
It was the first call, standingat home, me and my partner, the
(07:24):
phone rung and I said, what doI do?
She goes answer it.
I said, oh hello, trent frombrains bins.
And it was the first, firstever skip, first phone call.
I'll never forget it, you know.
And I just, yeah, it's justfrom then.
It's just one thing's led toanother that is so fucking
awesome, mate.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So what like?
What's the story now?
Like two years in how many binsyou got two years in.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
We've just hit 85 skips shit and about six months
ago we just purchased a newtruck mate, fuck, I want to come
over and give you a hug that'sfreaking awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, cheers mate so um, do you get a lot of work
through your socials, or like,is it word of mouth?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
A lot of my work is purely all our work is through
word of mouth and Instagram.
Yeah, we don't have, we don'tpay any advertising, nothing.
All we got was that websitemade up at the start and that's
no.
Google leads nothing, justpurely word of mouth and
Instagram.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah.
So it's a.
Obviously there's a lot more toit than that Like you've.
And look, the reason I want todive into it is because I, like
I said before, I know there willbe people out there that listen
to this podcast, that it'srunning through their brain Like
I want to start my own business, like how do I do it?
Like, and so you've talkedabout how you've changed your
(08:44):
mindset and those limitingbeliefs and things.
But like they don't just stop.
Like I'm sure there's been alot of points through purchasing
your truck and like and evenmaking I'm sure when you're
buying that new truck, you'resaying, oh fuck, this is gonna
be a lot of finance, I've neverhad this much debt.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Like those thoughts never stop, do they, no, no,
they never do, and that's whereyou got to implement stuff.
Like you know, one little thingI try to do most mornings is me
affirmations, just threeaffirmations every morning.
Just get my head clear, readyto rock and roll as soon as I
jump in the truck, just boom.
That's what I do every morning.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
So for people that don't know what that is, what,
what are you doing?
So affirmations it's somethingyou tell yourself like I will be
good today, I am great, I lovework, and you say that over and
over again, say five or tentimes, and it just implements
what you're feeling that morningmate, I, I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I absolutely love it because this, like people look
at, like listen to this podcastand they follow my all my shit
on socials and they think thatit's different for me, like
because of where I've gotten to.
But, just like you said, like I,I still have to do that every
day yeah like I tell people,like I fight my demons every
(10:06):
single day and I think, well, Iknow I don't.
It doesn't matter if you'reworking for someone else or
you're, you've worked your wayup to a billionaire, like it's
how you choose to deal withthose demons that makes the
difference.
Like I call them demons, you cancall them whatever you like,
but yeah, I, I regularly have totell myself like you are good
(10:30):
enough to be doing this.
Yeah, you, you do have theright to do this.
You are, you do have enoughexperience to be telling people
this like it's um, it's powerfulstuff yeah, and you just got to
have the positive mindset to be, able to be able to move
forward.
Yeah, and shit happens, doesn'tit?
Oh yeah, mate.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
There's always shit happening and you cock up and
you fuck up, you hit somethingand you go backwards and you
think you know I've done thatfor free or whatever.
But as long as you learn fromyour failures, that's all you
can ask for.
You just learn and think backand go.
That's where I stuffed up.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
This is where I'll go moving forward.
When you've got people aroundyou pushing forward and going
for it, you, it rubs off on youas humans, like we only operate
in love or fear.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, like that's, that's the only two ways, so it
doesn't matter what what elseyou think in reality, you're
either operating from fear oryou're operating from love.
Yeah, and it's the fear thattends to hold 99 of people back.
Yeah, because they let thatfear control their decisions.
So you, is that something youbattle with or have you overcome
(11:37):
, or like?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
yeah, yeah, every day , every day, like I feel like I
could be way more forward thanwhat I am if I wasn't like, if I
wasn't scared to move forward.
Um what?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
do you?
What do you think?
Where do you think the the fearcomes from?
Like, is it?
I know for a lot of people it'ssecurity, like a lot of people
want the security of a, of apaycheck or having money in the
bank and they're scared if theyrisk that it.
They'll go back to where, howthey grew up or how their
parents were or any of thosetypes of things like is it?
Is it the fear of losing themoney?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
um, a little bit.
Um, look, to be honest, myfamily is like they're all
against debt, like completelyagainst debt.
My brother and my mom, my dad,those like and um, they
subconsciously they knock medown a little bit because they
(12:33):
say you know, your whole companyshould be paying you by now.
They should be.
You know you should be doingwell out of it.
You're putting all this work,you're putting all this money
and um, you're putting all thiswork, you're putting all this
money and yeah, some of themsaid sell it.
Some of them, you know, and Ijust I feel disrespected when
they say that Because, like, I'mhearing you man.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It makes me feel like shit it honestly makes me feel
like shit.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, and because, just because it's something they
don't believe in.
You know that's something Ibelieve in.
I know it's going to work.
I know what it's doing now permonth.
Um, it wouldn't be doing thatif I didn't keep that.
Because they say, why are youreinvesting all the money?
Why I say, well, it wouldn't beat this stage now if I didn't
reinvest it a year ago, twoyears ago.
(13:19):
It wouldn't be doing what it'sdoing now.
And then what's it going to bedoing in two years time?
Do you know what I mean?
If I stop reinvesting it now,I'm only going to be doing what
I'm doing now, potentially So-.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What you're talking about now like I want to get up
and give you a hug, mate.
Like what you're doing now iswhat holds most people back.
Yeah, it's fear of like BecauseI struggle with this a lot as
well, I talk about it quiteopenly.
Like you, we're all bought up.
Like I'm so passionate aboutthis.
I know I bang on a bit all thetime, but fuck it, I'll say it
(13:51):
again but like I truly believethat 90, 95, even 99% of people
on this planet are not livingtheir life.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Not at all Because of what you just said yeah, living
their life?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Not at all Because of what you just said.
Yeah, because of the way we'rebrought up, the beliefs,
religions, everything that getsdiscussed in our families
growing up.
And then when you do get to anage where you can go and work
and run your own race and doyour own thing, you do.
You feel like you've got thatconstant battle of everyone's
you feel like the black sheep.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Why, if you step out the range, what they believe in?
And it's what they believe inand my mum admitted it without
even like knowing it, she saidto me she said oh, I'm just
scared because I haven't donethat before.
Yeah, and that's exactly why.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And it's good.
Like it's good that family andfriends worry about you yeah,
but so many people let commentsand outside influences from
family, friends, even socialmedia and shit, determine the
outcome of their life.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yeah, definitely, and this is no offense at all to
anybody.
But, like, if you take advicefrom certain people, like you
look at their life and youevaluate that and you go alright
, are they where I want to be,so am I gonna take that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
you're in control of this podcast, mate, you were
dropping bombs.
I'm really keen to dive intoyour story because, um, like you
do some cracking jobs and likeyou're a very quiet guy from
what I can tell, and you youkeep to yourself a little bit
and you, like you're doingincredible work.
So where's it, where's it allcome from?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
I think, business-wise, I've watched my
old man for my whole life.
Is he in the industry?
No, he's not in the industry,which is crazy.
He's just a sole trader and Ijust watched him grow his
business and it was like runninga business, I think, is there's
(16:03):
just so many things that youcan do for your own life.
You've got to take it seriouslyand go into it.
But I think building for me.
I wasn't called to building.
I wasn't like I'm going to be abuilder.
At age eight I left school,ended up like could have gone to
university, but, yeah, deferred, worked for my dad who's an
auto electrician for like a yearand he kind of said, mate, what
(16:26):
are you doing?
You got to do an apprenticeshipor go to uni.
And at that point I was likeI'd spent so much time in school
learning stuff that I didn'tthink I needed in life and I was
like I think I'm gonna do atrade, did work for my dad for
probably a year and a half andthen I really just didn't.
I just went this isn't for me.
He wanted it's big pressure totake over the business and I was
(16:50):
like, nah, I just I wasn't.
I could do the work easilyremembered everything he taught
me.
Yeah, but I just I knew I wasgood, I was good with my hands,
so I did a trial in carpentryand then I went, yeah, this is
this is what I wanted to do.
And building houses seemed moreup my alley.
And then um got anapprenticeship which kind of
(17:13):
kind of also went badly as well.
At the start um was that, uh,locally in brisbane, so back
then group like all trades hadjust kicked off.
Oh, yeah.
So I went into all trades andgot in with like a big project
home builder.
It was a crew, they had likemultiple apprentices and
everything was just screamingand yelling and get this done.
(17:37):
They didn't care.
And then I did that for abouteight months and watched just
apprentices coming and goingevery week, going this is this,
the industry like this is wild.
And then there was a localbuilder back at Elchester and I
started telling him about myexperiences and he was like we
might have a guy leaving in acouple of months if he does jump
(18:00):
on board and see if he can getout of that mess.
Yeah, so, yeah, I just went, oh, I'm gonna take this.
So got on with mike and he, um,yeah, he taught me everything
we needed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Um sorry, it's a little emotional here, um going
back to the past, but yeah, mikeI think that's awesome, mate,
because I like, I'm like you,like I am so grateful for what
my bosses like.
At the time I didn't appreciateas much as I think I should
have but when I think back nowlike I'm so grateful for the
(18:36):
skills that they've given me,especially.
I'm not sure if you listen to arecent podcast we did with
Craig Stewart and we talkedabout a lot of the yeah, so that
was a big one.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Like for me, mike.
Like when you're an apprentice,you're like, wow, this guy's
just grinding my gears.
Yeah.
After my apprenticeship I waslike I owe this guy so much.
Yeah, yeah, and the way hiscareer ended was quite bad as
well for him.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, did he um like have you ever reached out to him
and told him that you're?
Speaker 8 (19:10):
probably not because, like I'm I'm a man bad
communicator, but, um, yeah,like I owe him and another boss
of ours, richard, like the worldreally.
Um, mike taught me everything,taught you how to like.
He taught you how to like thinkfor other people early on,
which, when you're at a thirdyear apprentice and he would he
would make himself theapprentice and like, make you be
(19:33):
the boss, which was like it waspretty hard, yeah.
And when you're a third year,you're like, oh, this is so much
stress.
But when, when you go out to bea carpenter, like I think a lot
of guys these days aren'tlearning that to think for other
people all day, they just want,all right, is that my role for
the day?
Should I, should I do this,should I do that?
(19:54):
But a good chippy, like, ifyou're working the team you
should be thinking about, allright, am I keeping x, y and z?
Are they busy in the cornerover there?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
yeah, so there was a.
There was a system and aprocess, yeah, which made
efficiency.
Um, someone had a cutting listwhich actually, come to my head,
was a story stick well, that'swhat we used to call it
storybooks.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And the storybook would be a piece of timber and
off, cut us a feet sheet, apiece of cardboard like yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
So we did a our shop jobs were doing last year.
There was quite a few stepsacross the front, different
height shop fronts, but it wasall clattered.
Um, we had to start at thebottom but we had to start on
the highest part of the shopfront and obviously go all the
way up and end up the bottom atthe lowest point.
But we had to make sure thatthe cladding carried all the way
through.
Yeah, so I made a story stick,yeah, and my boys were like,
(20:40):
what are you doing?
And I literally got a length oftimber and, um, made it long
enough, started at the bottom,marked out all my boards.
Yeah, put it on the wall,marked it out.
Then I lasered a line through,went down further, put my story
stick back onto the laser lineso that I could see, you know
whether it dropped down enoughand whether and where it all
landed, because I didn't wantthe joins in my cladding to be
(21:02):
like right on, you know, the topof the window or it might work,
this window or not, that window, shop front and all these sort
of things.
So I made this story stickbefore we even started putting
any boards on the wall, had itall marked out and then we
transferred those marks onto thestops and then we pulled lines
through.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
So for anyone that's listening that doesn't know what
a story rod or a story stick is, again, my boss had three of
them in the truck.
One had all bricks marked outbecause we did a lot of cavity
brick homes, so it would haveseal bricks.
It had seal bricks marked outon it.
It had your normal bricksmarked out on it.
Then he had another one forweatherboard, so it would have
(21:39):
just all the joints.
So basically, a story stick ora story rod is just all your
standard markings.
But I'm loving this actually.
I don't know if you're gettinganything out of this, but it's
bringing up lots of old memoriesfor me and it's definitely
reminding me of shit I need toteach my team.
But it was just taught to you,wasn't?
It was the first thing you didlike when you got to a point.
(22:02):
So I guess, with the brick work.
So we did cavity brick.
So while I'm cutting the timber, the, the boss is starting to
mark the wall plates out.
He's using his story rod tofigure to make the windows work
full bricks like brick workbecause, mate, if we, if we
didn't set out brick work andthe brick, he had to cut bricks
on every single corner andagainst every single window.
Fuck me, like did we get in theshit?
(22:24):
Yep, so everything had to beset out to work.
Brickwork Like.
How many people would know howto?
Speaker 7 (22:29):
work out brickwork these days?
Well, they don't, and that'sone of the things I was talking
to my boys when we'd had thewhiteboard out, and I was
talking about the brick base.
I then talked about marking outyour windows.
So we'd often do what they calla loose stud.
Yeah, so when you make yourframes up, you put your starting
, just tack it in.
Yeah, so that you could pull itout and potentially push the
window one way or the other.
Yeah, because you've got thebase already in there, you would
(22:52):
mark out the windows becausethe bricky could cut half bricks
with his bolster, because weweren't running brick saws like
they do today yeah, half brickswere fine.
Yeah, you get your half bricks,but yeah, they want to be
running little quarters andthings like that, so you'd make
things move and adjust themaround.
So it comes back to what we'retalking before.
First of all, the system andthe process, but also the why.
(23:13):
Yeah, the story stick.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So, as you were being taught, you're being taught why
you do that where today you'renot being taught that people out
there listening, mainly tradersand builders and stuff like
what, um, because I want themall to reach out to you.
I want them all to have someoneas an ice bath.
So what's?
What benefits are you going toget out of it?
Speaker 9 (23:30):
um.
So, obviously, with um, welllike, because, because you're um
heavily into ice bathing, Isuppose the biggest thing is um
reduces inflammation.
Um, that's a massive thing.
If you're on the tools all day,um, or on your feet all day,
you need to recover um, one, uh,that's a big thing.
The resilience, the breathing,um, just getting you in the
(23:52):
right headspace to deal with,like you, if you, if you put
yourself in an ice bath in themorning, um, you can take on the
world that day, like you, youjust have the resilience to know
oh shit, I've put myselfthrough this trauma.
Yeah, I can, I can get throughum, whatever it might be, um,
and then obviously, um,increasing your brown brown fat.
(24:13):
So what, what that does it likefat sounds bad, right, but you
need good fat, like, which isyour brown fat, to help um with
things like metabolism.
Um, and all of those differentthings Like it can help speed up
your metabolism.
There's a few other things thatbrown fat.
I don't know the technical termof them, but essentially it
(24:36):
helps fight illness and allsorts of stuff.
Yeah, it helps fight illness,keeps off the cold and flu as
much as possible, but again,with tradies like it's hard to
get like good, sustainable foodin all the time, right, so, um,
it just helps with metabolizingthose, those bad, bad foods.
And with the saunas, um, thethe biggest thing is like it
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increases your um circulation,um, which then also impacts your
heart.
So a lot of tradies would havelike heart conditions from like
back in the day eating like meatpies and I know I've spoken
about chocolate milks, cokes,sugar, like just to get them
through, like taking in all ofthose calories.
Um, soaring like three to fourtimes a week Um, there's actual
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like science and data out therethat's saying soaring three
times a week for 20 minutes at atime can reduce your chance of
dying from heart.
Um, or like all cause heartmortality by 40%, which is
insane.
So, like, the chance of dyingfrom a heart condition is
reduced by 40% and that's athat's a big, big figure as well
.
So obviously helps with likemuscle soreness and stuff like
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that as well.
Helps with sleep.
Sleep's a big thing.
Obviously I suffer with shittysleep, but, um, saunering before
you go to bed can really helpyou get a really good, efficient
night um sleep because itraises your core body
temperature and then when youget into bed, your core
temperature drops, so it'seasier to get into a deep sleep
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faster.
Yeah, there's a couple.
Obviously, with saunas and icebus can really help like improve
your mood and mental health aswell so when we talk about,
emotions are contagious.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
There was some research done in the?
U Stony Brook University in NewYork State and this research
was funded by the Defence Force.
And why it was funded by theDefence Force will become
apparent as the story or as thisexample goes on.
So they took a group of peopleat this university and they put
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these people through two levelsof stress.
The first level of stress wasphysical stress.
They got them and they putthese people through two levels
of stress.
The first level of stress wasphysical stress.
They got them and they put themon a treadmill and they got
them to walk and run on thistreadmill and what they did is
they had sweat pads under thesepeople's arms and they collected
the sweat that these peopleemanated as they were doing this
exercise.
They got those sweat pads andthey put them aside.
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They then got the same group ofpeople and they put this group
of people through apsychological stressor and they
actually made them jump out ofan aeroplane with a parachute on
and again, they put the sweatpads under their arms as they
were jumping out of theaeroplane and they put them
aside.
They then got a second group ofpeople and put this group of
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people through an FRMI machinewhich measures brainwaves in
real time, and so, one at a time, they put this second group of
people in this machine and whatthey did is they wafted through
as these people were in themachine.
They wafted through the scentof the sweat.
First of all they did the sweatthat was as a result of the
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physical exertion on thetreadmill, and the brainwaves of
the people remained the same,they didn't change.
Then they wafted through thesmell from the sweat pads where
there was psychological stress,ie jumpingaves of the people in
the machine.
In the FRMI machine replicatedthe fear response, which
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actually says to us that ashumans, we can smell fear in
others.
We can emotionally feel howother people, what they're
feeling, what they're goingthrough, so we can smell it.
That's been shown.
Of course, horses can smell it.
When they say horses can smellfear, they absolutely can.
There's no doubt about that andthere's been further research
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done in the in europe in thatparticular area which shows that
.
So sometimes when you're in asituation as a leader or just as
a human and you have a gut feelabout something, that gut feel
is coming from all these senses,for example the smell and the
pheromones that you're pickingup that you're not even aware of
(28:49):
.
So one of the things I'm guessthat I've learned through time
is trust your gut, because yourgut is picking up all these
things that, intellectually,you're not aware of.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And you know.
So is that?
Is that seriously linked, likethat's something we talk about
now doing, when, like figuringout if you can work with a
client or not, if your guts istelling you, hey, this client's,
there's alarm bells here likelet's not do this job, yeah so
so what your, your gut, is doing?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
your gut is picking up all the um, all the cues that
you're not aware of.
But all these cues that you'vepicked up in evolution as a
human to where you are today hasmeant that you've survived as a
species or we've survived as aspecies.
So we're highly attuned, but wetry to rationalize everything
in our brains now.
(29:38):
So, again, one of the factorsthat we consider is something
called the ideomotor response,which is whenever someone has a
thought in their brain, it comesout through their body
somewhere.
It might be a subtle shift oftheir eyes, it might be moving
of their fingers, it could betwitching of the toes, it could
(29:59):
be the blinking rate, nodding ofthe head, something, a slight
squint of the eyes, somethingthat you may not be aware of,
that you're giving out thesecues.
But every time you have athought, your body is sending
out a message.
Now, horses are very clued intopicking up this in humans
because, of course, horses are aprey animal, ie other animals
eat them, and they're alwayswatching us to make sure they're
(30:22):
not going to be eaten by us.
So horses are very attuned toall the subtle cues that you're
giving off.
But as a human.
If you're with another person,they're giving off all these
cues that you may not be awareyou're picking up and that too
might add to your gut feeling,either positively or negatively.
You know there could be aslight hesitation in a response
(30:45):
from a person or them lookingaway, which is often a sign of
dishonesty when you'recommunicating with them.
You may not pick that up, butyou get that sense in your gut
that something is wrong and it'syour visual and your senses
that are picking up all of thesecues and giving you that in
your gut.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, so you definitely need to go with your
gut feeling.
Speaker 10 (31:07):
If every builder holds their right hand up and
looks into the palm of theirhand and their fingers make a
cup, they've got five fingers.
Typically, unless they'recarpenters, then they've got
four or half a thumb.
Each of those fingers are acore element of your business.
So this is called pivot pointmanagement.
You, Dwayne Pierce, can walkaway from your sites because
you've almost reached nirvanathat if something goes wrong on
(31:28):
that building site, they'regoing to take a photo or do a
live chat with you.
That didn't happen five yearsago.
So I mastered technology.
But each of your fingersbecomes an element of running
your construction company andyou need to know what those
elements are, what they looklike done at best practice, and
then who's going to do them.
And then you ideally want toemploy people who want to do it
better than you, who will dig inharder than you will and really
(31:51):
put their shoulders to thewheel and want to do it better
than you do.
And that, ladies and gentlemen,is the recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Until you build that team, you can't earn a fortune
building your own houses, evenif you think you are well, you
touched on it before when youthat magical place where you're
attracting the right type ofclients is also attracting the
right type of team members.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
Yes, based on your personal development.
If you're a rat bag, you'regoing to attract rat bags and
rat bag clients.
There's no doubt that the lawof attraction works in
construction as it does in fastfood.
You know, I'm serious At threeo'clock in the morning you want
a doner kebab.
You go to the closest one andthe nearest one.
I used to say this to peoplewhen we were justifying PAC.
I'll use your terminology Ifyour child, if your daughter,
(32:34):
breaks her arm at mixed martialarts jeez, I've changed that a
bit over the years you take herto the nearest doctor yeah, the
nearest doctor, yeah.
Or the Launceston GeneralHospital, and spend eight hours
in casually and the doctor says,oh, your daughter's arm's
really badly broken.
You need to see a specialist.
What does your mind say?
$800.
$300.
(32:54):
$300.
Yeah, an unknown, etherealexpense.
Right, if you've got a cheaperone, can I go to a cheaper
surgeon?
Is there a neurosurgeon that'scheaper for my child?
No, you go for the best.
Well, in the building industry,when the woman, the homemaker,
sorry is dissatisfied with theircurrent living arrangements too
(33:14):
hot, too cold, too big, toosmall, small, and we can go
through all them as anotherworkshop the minute that
homemaker says I've had enoughand hits the internet.
That's your moment of truth.
We all read that book moment oftruth.
And then they've got to gothrough a known process and if
you can take them through thatprocess as quick as you can, as
simple and painless, based on aprofessional relationship, you
will be paid as a professional.
Yeah, if you don't, you'll bepaid as an amateur and you've
(33:38):
either got a known process,that's, that's gold there, what
you just freebie for thelisteners, right, but if you go
through life, never and ofcourse we're not dealing with
self-esteem today I used to sayto builders man, you're a great
builder.
I used to give the awards to thebuilders on stage for hi and
mba for nine years.
Here's house of the year Welldone Everybody, ladies and
gentlemen, sponsored by Karoma.
(33:58):
And if you go and speak to thebuilder, are you a good builder,
are you a great builder?
Oh, no, man, I'm just a chippy.
I'm like, oh my God, you justwon house of the year at a straw
bale and you know, off grid, onan island, off the coast, in 50
knot winds, and you and youjust say to me you're just a
builder.
So not only do we need to lifthow we are perceived in the
market.
We need to lift ourselves.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
When I look at the building code and also
manufacturers' recommendations,specifically the building code,
I feel it's like a minimum.
Why are we going to the minimum?
Why would we?
Well, it's not just volumebuilders.
I'll deal with some volumebuilders and they're really good
at what they do.
Their processes are good, theirbuilds are good, they back it
(34:47):
up, they go back, they fix stuff, because no one's perfect.
But when we're always aimingfor a minimum or the line in the
sand set by the building codeand I'll use box gutters for an
example why would you design toa minimum of the size of your
gutter, which is carrying allthis water, for a, you know, for
(35:10):
a certain rainfall intensity,why wouldn't you go 20, 50
percent more to make sure thatthere's no chance, even if you
get a really huge storm, thatit's not going to come back
inside and wreck the inside ofthe house?
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Well, it's common sense, isn't it Well?
Speaker 11 (35:28):
there's a bit of shortage of that.
But to me I've always believedin trying to go over and above
what the minimum is from adesign aspect, that things work
Okay.
Now we all know from adesigner's point of view and a
builder's point of view thatmight be different too, yeah,
but like box gutters are aclassic example.
(35:50):
The amount of failures isunacceptable.
And even going to the minimumis unacceptable.
Go over and above.
Make sure it's big enough torun a broom in.
It's flashed far further thanit has to be.
The joints are mickey mouse.
You've designed it so there'splenty of room to get.
Fall doesn't have to be theminimum, fall, just get a bit
more fall in it.
(36:10):
Get the rain heads oversized,your overflows oversized.
You know what's the big deal.
By doing it bigger than it hasto be, or smarter, or you do the
water print, put another coaton big deal.
We don't do wet decks.
You know outdoor decks, tilesso many failures we've seen.
We'll refuse to do them.
They have to be concrete nowyeah, we've gone the same way oh
(36:33):
, it's astronomical, even withthe types of the windows, just
all sorts of things, how you docertain decks, how you get your
driveways to work, all thesethings around your home, and
it's just everyone's aiming fora minimum.
Yeah, it drives you mad.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I've never really thought of it like that, but
you're 100% right.
I guess, for those people thatmay not know what traditional
timber framing or log homes are,do you want to give us a little
bit of a background of how yougot into this and, I guess, a
little bit more detail aroundwhat it is.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, so I specialise in log homes and traditional
timber framing.
So, log homes, what I do iswhat we call a full scribe log
home, so not the like, uh, flatsand chinked or, you know,
filled with silicon style.
Uh, it's not a machined finishwhere logs are run through a
lathe to all uniform.
(37:25):
It's working with a completenatural log, um, and big logs um
, so the ones you'd see, like incanada and the states, um, you
know all on your movies and tvyeah, there's a lot of, there's
a lot of big um, like you'd seearound what montana and yeah, um
, um, yeah, canada and thosesorts of places they like, they.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
They have companies over there that literally
specialize in turning up withtruck fulls of log and building
log homes don't they?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
yeah, that's, and that's the one I so I did my
time for new zealand log homes.
So that was, you know,equivalent of doing like a trade
as a carpenter.
I spent four years, you know,learning the craft of just log
homes.
So, yeah, there's a lot of timelearning the craft, the skill,
and I was sort of lucky enoughthat in working there at the
(38:11):
time the company owner, derek,had broken into a market of post
and beam, which is a squaretimber sort of carpentry as well
, the big square timber andjoinery and over in Japan.
So I was lucky enough to do notjust the log homes but then
experience the pre-cutting ofpost and beams and sending them
to Japan.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, so you've got a huge variety of skills, haven't
you?
Like you're specialized inselecting the timber, sizing the
timber, milling the timber yeah, and I think like one of the.
It just blows my mind, like theamount of work.
Like when people hear me saythat you've been on this one
home for for five and a halfyears, like they're probably
like what the hell?
(38:53):
Like, yeah, but like I didn'trealize exactly how much was
involved until we come and had alook at that place the other
day.
Like when you talk about likeit's not, like you just go to a
pack, you pick up a length ofstraight timber and you, you,
you come up with your trusslayout on the ground and you
just nail it together, likeyou're actually like you've got
(39:15):
to size the logs, find thecenter line of the log and then
all your measurements work fromthat center line, don't you?
Because the log can bedifferent shape on one side to
the to the other, yeah, and thentrying to get all that to line
up, and then you don't usemechanical fixings, do you?
no, no, no so everything's alltimber peg fixings yeah yeah,
like the Through the majority ofit yeah, the work like
(39:38):
seriously, for everyone that'slistening like the work in it is
insane, but like you can see itlike straight away when you
look at it, it's just incredible.
Like you can literally like Idon't know, it's something about
timber, isn't it?
When you walk into a timberhome, like you just want to
touch and feel it and and rub it, like it's just beautiful yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I remember, you know, starting out in building my, my
dad was a builder, so that'swhat got me interested, you know
, right from as a kid, to be abuilder, um, and he was also a
mountaineer and an outdoorsmanand hunter and spent a lot of
time in that um.
And when I left school therewas at the time in like the
early mid-80s there wasapprenticeships were just rare
(40:21):
as hen's teeth, so I couldn't.
I tried and tried and tried, Ijust couldn't get an
apprenticeship.
The economy was, yeah, notgoing well.
So I sort of had to retract andI took the other path.
So, dad being really interestedin the outdoors, I went and did
a outdoor leadership course fora year down, so down in the
(40:41):
lower part of the North Island,a little place called Masterton.
So I went down there and we didthis whole outdoor leadership.
We're up in the mountains, inthe rivers and in the bush and
it was fantastic.
But at that time I was 23 andmy son was born, my first child
child was born that year, and soby the end of it, I'm thinking
the only work then in that fieldwas to go and temp at outdoor
(41:03):
pursuit centres and school campsand things, and I couldn't do
that with a child.
And just at the end of thecourse there was a sign at the
TAFE there and it was a log homebuilding school like six weeks
log home building school at theTAFE there.
And it was a log home buildingschool, like six weeks log home
building school.
And then I saw that sign andbang.
As soon as I saw the words loghome building, I thought that's
(41:24):
what I want to do, cause I'dworked in the bush, I'd been,
you know, I was a country boy,I'd been on chainsaws and that
you know for a good part of mylife.
And I saw that and thoughtsomething about crafting
chainsaws, big timber, you know.
I just thought, wow, I've gotto do this so, guys, there you
go.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
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G'day guys.
Welcome back to another episodeof Level Up.
Something a bit different today, bit of a wrap-up for 2024.
It's been an absolutelycracking year this year.
We have smashed it out.
We've had so many incredibleguests and, look, it is
unbelievable.
We appreciate your support onmaking this Australia's number
one construction podcast.
So sit back and relax.
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So we've pulled out the bestbits, uh, and look, the reason
we have done this is because wewant you to sit back over your
break and go back and get thejuicy bits and look if you get a
bit out of it, go and find thefull podcast and listen to it,
because these guests have made amassive difference to a lot of
people's lives by sharing theirstories.
So, uh, let us know what youthink.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So I came in here today to get deep, you know,
like sitting.
You know we switched to bourbonsitting at the back of the pub
where we're talking about ouremotions, and I didn't think
we'd get anywhere near that.
You know, because you are justsuch a humble person that just
wants everyone else to succeedyou know, mate, that was fucked.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
I need to talk about this because there are so many
people that reach out to me nowin that situation and they don't
push through.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
And it is hard.
But reality is, life is hardand you've got to push through.
So, like, at that point, like,mate, I couldn't even.
Like, like I couldn't, we couldnot even afford to.
Like, we had this monthly billsand I couldn't, but we couldn't
pay them and I, I couldn't.
I couldn't sell shit like I had, I was running out of shit to
(01:37):
sell and the shit that I had tosell wouldn't have covered what
we had to pay anyway.
So I bit my tongue, mate, Istarted I actually started
reaching out to some of my dad'smates older mates that I knew
had money yep, telling them thesituation, trying to trying to
um see what we could do.
Uh, one guy lent us some money,which was um awesome, we
(02:01):
obviously paid it all back.
Uh, a member of camille'sfamily actually ended up lending
us a large sum of money.
Yep, and that was, that was myturning point, mate.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So that was so this is where we get to next.
So your pivot point when didyou like?
It's easy, at that point there,right, most people would just
throw in the towel, I'm a victim, and you'd be sitting there and
be a different narrative sayingthis is what happened to me.
Fuck the world, you know, likeit's, it's, it's every.
It's not my fault everywhere.
But you didn't take that path.
You turned and one of thequestions here is um, when did
(02:36):
you start like success media?
When did you start?
And what did you start lookingfor?
Like, how did it pull you outof that situation?
Like with any books, and which,what age did you start?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
looking for like how did it pull you out of that?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
situation like with any books.
And which?
How?
What age did you start looking?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
into that kind of not then stuff.
So the turning point, mate, waslike for me it was like I can't
even describe it like to be tohave to make phone calls to
people to to borrow money whenyou're a grown man, you got a
young family and, on face valuefor the last, for the previous
six, eight years, you've beenfucking killing it Like yeah,
(03:11):
that's.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
I can see it in your eyes, mate, Like it's, it's,
it's fucked.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
It's completely fucked and, um, I was like we
couldn't afford it and I thinkthis is a this is a really
important point, because I getso many people reach out to me,
um, that want to join our live,life, build community and tell
me they can't afford it.
Yeah, I, I could not afford itat all, but I still remember
sitting.
We had an office under ourhouse, old house.
(03:37):
We're living in um, my myself,my wife, uh, the admin lady that
we had at the time and likewe're gonna have to get coaching
, gonna have to get help, like I, we don't have the answers, so
we need someone to help us yeahand that was the start of a
journey that went for threeyears, so basically over three.
The next three years from 2012to 2015.
(03:57):
So we're only talking nineyears ago.
Like this isn't a long time ago, mate.
I reached out to coaches,mentors that I knew in the
industry, and by this time Iwasn't on social media, but I
was getting shown on Facebook.
There were some people on thereteaching.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
In the background.
Here your business is.
You're still just trying toclaw all through.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Oh, mate I'm every day is clawing, but every day
was fucked, mate I.
I did not want to get out ofbed, and then I'd push myself
out of bed, I'd go to site, I'dset up the guys, make sure
everything looked and soundedrosy, and then I'd fucking go
and hide in a car park somewhereor drive out in the country and
drive around for fucking sixhours and then, because the
(04:39):
phone could still ring, I couldstill give people answers.
No one knew where I was or whatI was doing that, or I was
fucking sitting in a side of acliff somewhere thinking about
fucking driving off of it.
Yeah, like so.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
So at this point you're at rock bottom and you
choose to to fight the battleand go against it.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
I couldn't give up on my family yeah, like camille
and and um starting a youngfamily, like there was no way in
the world I was gonna fail onthat.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Well, you made the right choice because I'll tell
you now through this podcast, Ireckon you're gonna save a few
lives because it does get thatlow the industry and that's what
people you know like it gets itgets low, it's I can't stress
that point enough.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Like everyone that rings me and says they need help
and they want to do stuff andand thinks they can't afford it,
you have to afford it.
You've got to put your moneyinto.
Like, if you don't know theanswers, you have to talk, deal
with people that do all thathave been through it like.
This is the only way yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
So then it all happened like we had to do a bit
of background work, you know,because it was like then I was
new to it all, I hadn't'tregistered an ABN, I hadn't done
any of that.
But then because I was workingfor JJ Richards once I'd done a
bit of background check, it wasa conflict of interest.
So then I had to resign from myjob before I could take any
(05:56):
moves.
So then we pretty much goteverything ready to rock and
roll.
You know, finance sort of founda truck, half ordered bins, and
then we resigned from jj, Iresigned from jjs, and then it
was just go busters, yeah.
So then we found a truck wewent out to uh, it was out at
(06:19):
king roy went and picked it upand then it was old, it was 50
grand off.
An ex skip company had to getit all fixed up, repainted.
Bought some old skips, got themre-sprayed, all the holes fixed
and then.
So you do some of this stuffyourself no, we had to outsource
it all because there was just.
It came to the time, you know.
(06:40):
So I just spoke to a lot ofpeople I know and my sister
works at superior pack wherethey build garbage trucks.
Yeah, so they were, becausethey were willing to help me out
, fix a few things, paint thetruck up, paint the bins.
Yeah, so that was a massivehelp.
And then, yeah, just created alittle website from a coffee guy
I met when I used to pick thebins up there.
(07:00):
Um went back and seen him andsaid, pete, it's time to make
that website mate, and he wasmore than happy, created the
website.
And then, yeah, just spoke to alot of my friends and family
and the the work just startedcoming in.
That one phone call came fromacm constructions.
It was the first call, standingat home, me and my partner, the
(07:24):
phone rung and I said, what doI do?
She goes answer it.
I said, oh hello, trent frombrains bins.
And it was the first, firstever skip, first phone call.
I'll never forget it, you know.
And I just, yeah, it's justfrom then.
It's just one thing's led toanother that is so fucking
awesome, mate.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So what like?
What's the story now?
Like two years in how many binsyou got two years in.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
We've just hit 85 skips shit and about six months
ago we just purchased a newtruck mate, fuck, I want to come
over and give you a hug that'sfreaking awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, cheers mate so um, do you get a lot of work
through your socials, or like,is it word of mouth?
Speaker 6 (08:05):
A lot of my work is purely all our work is through
word of mouth and Instagram.
Yeah, we don't have, we don'tpay any advertising, nothing.
All we got was that websitemade up at the start and that's
no.
Google leads nothing, justpurely word of mouth and
Instagram.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
Yeah.
So it's a.
Obviously there's a lot more toit than that Like you've.
And look, the reason I want todive into it is because I, like
I said before, I know there willbe people out there that listen
to this podcast, that it'srunning through their brain Like
I want to start my own business, like how do I do it?
Like, and so you've talkedabout how you've changed your
(08:44):
mindset and those limitingbeliefs and things.
But like they don't just stop.
Like I'm sure there's been alot of points through purchasing
your truck and like and evenmaking I'm sure when you're
buying that new truck, you'resaying, oh fuck, this is gonna
be a lot of finance, I've neverhad this much debt.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
Like those thoughts never stop, do they, no, no,
they never do, and that's whereyou got to implement stuff.
Like you know, one little thingI try to do most mornings is me
affirmations, just threeaffirmations every morning.
Just get my head clear, readyto rock and roll as soon as I
jump in the truck, just boom.
That's what I do every morning.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:25):
So for people that don't know what that is, what,
what are you doing?
So affirmations it's somethingyou tell yourself like I will be
good today, I am great, I lovework, and you say that over and
over again, say five or tentimes, and it just implements
what you're feeling that morningmate, I, I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I absolutely love it because this, like people look
at, like listen to this podcastand they follow my all my shit
on socials and they think thatit's different for me, like
because of where I've gotten to.
But, just like you said, like I,I still have to do that every
day yeah like I tell people,like I fight my demons every
(10:06):
single day and I think, well, Iknow I don't.
It doesn't matter if you'reworking for someone else or
you're, you've worked your wayup to a billionaire, like it's
how you choose to deal withthose demons that makes the
difference.
Like I call them demons, you cancall them whatever you like,
but yeah, I, I regularly have totell myself like you are good
(10:30):
enough to be doing this.
Yeah, you, you do have theright to do this.
You are, you do have enoughexperience to be telling people
this like it's um, it's powerfulstuff yeah, and you just got to
have the positive mindset to be, able to be able to move
forward.
Yeah, and shit happens, doesn'tit?
Oh yeah, mate.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
There's always shit happening and you cock up and
you fuck up, you hit somethingand you go backwards and you
think you know I've done thatfor free or whatever.
But as long as you learn fromyour failures, that's all you
can ask for.
You just learn and think backand go.
That's where I stuffed up.
Speaker 5 (11:05):
This is where I'll go moving forward.
When you've got people aroundyou pushing forward and going
for it, you, it rubs off on youas humans, like we only operate
in love or fear.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, like that's, that's the only two ways, so it
doesn't matter what what elseyou think in reality, you're
either operating from fear oryou're operating from love.
Yeah, and it's the fear thattends to hold 99 of people back.
Yeah, because they let thatfear control their decisions.
So you, is that something youbattle with or have you overcome
(11:37):
, or like?
Speaker 5 (11:38):
yeah, yeah, every day , every day, like I feel like I
could be way more forward thanwhat I am if I wasn't like, if I
wasn't scared to move forward.
Um what?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
do you?
What do you think?
Where do you think the the fearcomes from?
Like, is it?
I know for a lot of people it'ssecurity, like a lot of people
want the security of a, of apaycheck or having money in the
bank and they're scared if theyrisk that it.
They'll go back to where, howthey grew up or how their
parents were or any of thosetypes of things like is it?
Is it the fear of losing themoney?
Speaker 5 (12:13):
um, a little bit.
Um, look, to be honest, myfamily is like they're all
against debt, like completelyagainst debt.
My brother and my mom, my dad,those like and um, they
subconsciously they knock medown a little bit because they
(12:33):
say you know, your whole companyshould be paying you by now.
They should be.
You know you should be doingwell out of it.
You're putting all this work,you're putting all this money
and um, you're putting all thiswork, you're putting all this
money and yeah, some of themsaid sell it.
Some of them, you know, and Ijust I feel disrespected when
they say that Because, like, I'mhearing you man.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
It makes me feel like shit it honestly makes me feel
like shit.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, and because, just because it's something they
don't believe in.
You know that's something Ibelieve in.
I know it's going to work.
I know what it's doing now permonth.
Um, it wouldn't be doing thatif I didn't keep that.
Because they say, why are youreinvesting all the money?
Why I say, well, it wouldn't beat this stage now if I didn't
reinvest it a year ago, twoyears ago.
(13:19):
It wouldn't be doing what it'sdoing now.
And then what's it going to bedoing in two years time?
Do you know what I mean?
If I stop reinvesting it now,I'm only going to be doing what
I'm doing now, potentially So-.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
What you're talking about now like I want to get up
and give you a hug, mate.
Like what you're doing now iswhat holds most people back.
Yeah, it's fear of like BecauseI struggle with this a lot as
well, I talk about it quiteopenly.
Like you, we're all bought up.
Like I'm so passionate aboutthis.
I know I bang on a bit all thetime, but fuck it, I'll say it
(13:51):
again but like I truly believethat 90, 95, even 99% of people
on this planet are not livingtheir life.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Not at all Because of what you just said yeah, living
their life?
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Not at all Because of what you just said.
Yeah, because of the way we'rebrought up, the beliefs,
religions, everything that getsdiscussed in our families
growing up.
And then when you do get to anage where you can go and work
and run your own race and doyour own thing, you do.
You feel like you've got thatconstant battle of everyone's
you feel like the black sheep.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Why, if you step out the range, what they believe in?
And it's what they believe inand my mum admitted it without
even like knowing it, she saidto me she said oh, I'm just
scared because I haven't donethat before.
Yeah, and that's exactly why.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
And it's good.
Like it's good that family andfriends worry about you yeah,
but so many people let commentsand outside influences from
family, friends, even socialmedia and shit, determine the
outcome of their life.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Yeah, definitely, and this is no offense at all to
anybody.
But, like, if you take advicefrom certain people, like you
look at their life and youevaluate that and you go alright
, are they where I want to be,so am I gonna take that?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
you're in control of this podcast, mate, you were
dropping bombs.
I'm really keen to dive intoyour story because, um, like you
do some cracking jobs and likeyou're a very quiet guy from
what I can tell, and you youkeep to yourself a little bit
and you, like you're doingincredible work.
So where's it, where's it allcome from?
Speaker 8 (15:41):
I think, business-wise, I've watched my
old man for my whole life.
Is he in the industry?
No, he's not in the industry,which is crazy.
He's just a sole trader and Ijust watched him grow his
business and it was like runninga business, I think, is there's
(16:03):
just so many things that youcan do for your own life.
You've got to take it seriouslyand go into it.
But I think building for me.
I wasn't called to building.
I wasn't like I'm going to be abuilder.
At age eight I left school,ended up like could have gone to
university, but, yeah, deferred, worked for my dad who's an
auto electrician for like a yearand he kind of said, mate, what
(16:26):
are you doing?
You got to do an apprenticeshipor go to uni.
And at that point I was likeI'd spent so much time in school
learning stuff that I didn'tthink I needed in life and I was
like I think I'm gonna do atrade, did work for my dad for
probably a year and a half andthen I really just didn't.
I just went this isn't for me.
He wanted it's big pressure totake over the business and I was
(16:50):
like, nah, I just I wasn't.
I could do the work easilyremembered everything he taught
me.
Yeah, but I just I knew I wasgood, I was good with my hands,
so I did a trial in carpentryand then I went, yeah, this is
this is what I wanted to do.
And building houses seemed moreup my alley.
And then um got anapprenticeship which kind of
(17:13):
kind of also went badly as well.
At the start um was that, uh,locally in brisbane, so back
then group like all trades hadjust kicked off.
Oh, yeah.
So I went into all trades andgot in with like a big project
home builder.
It was a crew, they had likemultiple apprentices and
everything was just screamingand yelling and get this done.
(17:37):
They didn't care.
And then I did that for abouteight months and watched just
apprentices coming and goingevery week, going this is this,
the industry like this is wild.
And then there was a localbuilder back at Elchester and I
started telling him about myexperiences and he was like we
might have a guy leaving in acouple of months if he does jump
(18:00):
on board and see if he can getout of that mess.
Yeah, so, yeah, I just went, oh, I'm gonna take this.
So got on with mike and he, um,yeah, he taught me everything
we needed.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Um sorry, it's a little emotional here, um going
back to the past, but yeah, mikeI think that's awesome, mate,
because I like, I'm like you,like I am so grateful for what
my bosses like.
At the time I didn't appreciateas much as I think I should
have but when I think back nowlike I'm so grateful for the
(18:36):
skills that they've given me,especially.
I'm not sure if you listen to arecent podcast we did with
Craig Stewart and we talkedabout a lot of the yeah, so that
was a big one.
Speaker 8 (18:44):
Like for me, mike.
Like when you're an apprentice,you're like, wow, this guy's
just grinding my gears.
Yeah.
After my apprenticeship I waslike I owe this guy so much.
Yeah, yeah, and the way hiscareer ended was quite bad as
well for him.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, did he um like have you ever reached out to him
and told him that you're?
Speaker 8 (19:10):
probably not because, like I'm I'm a man bad
communicator, but, um, yeah,like I owe him and another boss
of ours, richard, like the worldreally.
Um, mike taught me everything,taught you how to like.
He taught you how to like thinkfor other people early on,
which, when you're at a thirdyear apprentice and he would he
would make himself theapprentice and like, make you be
(19:33):
the boss, which was like it waspretty hard, yeah.
And when you're a third year,you're like, oh, this is so much
stress.
But when, when you go out to bea carpenter, like I think a lot
of guys these days aren'tlearning that to think for other
people all day, they just want,all right, is that my role for
the day?
Should I, should I do this,should I do that?
(19:54):
But a good chippy, like, ifyou're working the team you
should be thinking about, allright, am I keeping x, y and z?
Are they busy in the cornerover there?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
yeah, so there was a.
There was a system and aprocess, yeah, which made
efficiency.
Um, someone had a cutting listwhich actually, come to my head,
was a story stick well, that'swhat we used to call it
storybooks.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
And the storybook would be a piece of timber and
off, cut us a feet sheet, apiece of cardboard like yeah,
yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:17):
So we did a our shop jobs were doing last year.
There was quite a few stepsacross the front, different
height shop fronts, but it wasall clattered.
Um, we had to start at thebottom but we had to start on
the highest part of the shopfront and obviously go all the
way up and end up the bottom atthe lowest point.
But we had to make sure thatthe cladding carried all the way
through.
Yeah, so I made a story stick,yeah, and my boys were like,
(20:40):
what are you doing?
And I literally got a length oftimber and, um, made it long
enough, started at the bottom,marked out all my boards.
Yeah, put it on the wall,marked it out.
Then I lasered a line through,went down further, put my story
stick back onto the laser lineso that I could see, you know
whether it dropped down enoughand whether and where it all
landed, because I didn't wantthe joins in my cladding to be
(21:02):
like right on, you know, the topof the window or it might work,
this window or not, that window, shop front and all these sort
of things.
So I made this story stickbefore we even started putting
any boards on the wall, had itall marked out and then we
transferred those marks onto thestops and then we pulled lines
through.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
So for anyone that's listening that doesn't know what
a story rod or a story stick is, again, my boss had three of
them in the truck.
One had all bricks marked outbecause we did a lot of cavity
brick homes, so it would haveseal bricks.
It had seal bricks marked outon it.
It had your normal bricksmarked out on it.
Then he had another one forweatherboard, so it would have
(21:39):
just all the joints.
So basically, a story stick ora story rod is just all your
standard markings.
But I'm loving this actually.
I don't know if you're gettinganything out of this, but it's
bringing up lots of old memoriesfor me and it's definitely
reminding me of shit I need toteach my team.
But it was just taught to you,wasn't?
It was the first thing you didlike when you got to a point.
(22:02):
So I guess, with the brick work.
So we did cavity brick.
So while I'm cutting the timber, the, the boss is starting to
mark the wall plates out.
He's using his story rod tofigure to make the windows work
full bricks like brick workbecause, mate, if we, if we
didn't set out brick work andthe brick, he had to cut bricks
on every single corner andagainst every single window.
Fuck me, like did we get in theshit?
(22:24):
Yep, so everything had to beset out to work.
Brickwork Like.
How many people would know howto?
Speaker 7 (22:29):
work out brickwork these days?
Well, they don't, and that'sone of the things I was talking
to my boys when we'd had thewhiteboard out, and I was
talking about the brick base.
I then talked about marking outyour windows.
So we'd often do what they calla loose stud.
Yeah, so when you make yourframes up, you put your starting
, just tack it in.
Yeah, so that you could pull itout and potentially push the
window one way or the other.
Yeah, because you've got thebase already in there, you would
(22:52):
mark out the windows becausethe bricky could cut half bricks
with his bolster, because weweren't running brick saws like
they do today yeah, half brickswere fine.
Yeah, you get your half bricks,but yeah, they want to be
running little quarters andthings like that, so you'd make
things move and adjust themaround.
So it comes back to what we'retalking before.
First of all, the system andthe process, but also the why.
(23:13):
Yeah, the story stick.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So, as you were being taught, you're being taught why
you do that where today you'renot being taught that people out
there listening, mainly tradersand builders and stuff like
what, um, because I want themall to reach out to you.
I want them all to have someoneas an ice bath.
So what's?
What benefits are you going toget out of it?
Speaker 9 (23:30):
um.
So, obviously, with um, welllike, because, because you're um
heavily into ice bathing, Isuppose the biggest thing is um
reduces inflammation.
Um, that's a massive thing.
If you're on the tools all day,um, or on your feet all day,
you need to recover um, one, uh,that's a big thing.
The resilience, the breathing,um, just getting you in the
(23:52):
right headspace to deal with,like you, if you, if you put
yourself in an ice bath in themorning, um, you can take on the
world that day, like you, youjust have the resilience to know
oh shit, I've put myselfthrough this trauma.
Yeah, I can, I can get throughum, whatever it might be, um,
and then obviously, um,increasing your brown brown fat.
(24:13):
So what, what that does it likefat sounds bad, right, but you
need good fat, like, which isyour brown fat, to help um with
things like metabolism.
Um, and all of those differentthings Like it can help speed up
your metabolism.
There's a few other things thatbrown fat.
I don't know the technical termof them, but essentially it
(24:36):
helps fight illness and allsorts of stuff.
Yeah, it helps fight illness,keeps off the cold and flu as
much as possible, but again,with tradies like it's hard to
get like good, sustainable foodin all the time, right, so, um,
it just helps with metabolizingthose, those bad, bad foods.
And with the saunas, um, thethe biggest thing is like it
(24:59):
increases your um circulation,um, which then also impacts your
heart.
So a lot of tradies would havelike heart conditions from like
back in the day eating like meatpies and I know I've spoken
about chocolate milks, cokes,sugar, like just to get them
through, like taking in all ofthose calories.
Um, soaring like three to fourtimes a week Um, there's actual
(25:23):
like science and data out therethat's saying soaring three
times a week for 20 minutes at atime can reduce your chance of
dying from heart.
Um, or like all cause heartmortality by 40%, which is
insane.
So, like, the chance of dyingfrom a heart condition is
reduced by 40% and that's athat's a big, big figure as well
.
So obviously helps with likemuscle soreness and stuff like
(25:46):
that as well.
Helps with sleep.
Sleep's a big thing.
Obviously I suffer with shittysleep, but, um, saunering before
you go to bed can really helpyou get a really good, efficient
night um sleep because itraises your core body
temperature and then when youget into bed, your core
temperature drops, so it'seasier to get into a deep sleep
(26:06):
faster.
Yeah, there's a couple.
Obviously, with saunas and icebus can really help like improve
your mood and mental health aswell so when we talk about,
emotions are contagious.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
There was some research done in the?
U Stony Brook University in NewYork State and this research
was funded by the Defence Force.
And why it was funded by theDefence Force will become
apparent as the story or as thisexample goes on.
So they took a group of peopleat this university and they put
(26:39):
these people through two levelsof stress.
The first level of stress wasphysical stress.
They got them and they putthese people through two levels
of stress.
The first level of stress wasphysical stress.
They got them and they put themon a treadmill and they got
them to walk and run on thistreadmill and what they did is
they had sweat pads under thesepeople's arms and they collected
the sweat that these peopleemanated as they were doing this
exercise.
They got those sweat pads andthey put them aside.
(27:01):
They then got the same group ofpeople and they put this group
of people through apsychological stressor and they
actually made them jump out ofan aeroplane with a parachute on
and again, they put the sweatpads under their arms as they
were jumping out of theaeroplane and they put them
aside.
They then got a second group ofpeople and put this group of
(27:22):
people through an FRMI machinewhich measures brainwaves in
real time, and so, one at a time, they put this second group of
people in this machine and whatthey did is they wafted through
as these people were in themachine.
They wafted through the scentof the sweat.
First of all they did the sweatthat was as a result of the
(27:43):
physical exertion on thetreadmill, and the brainwaves of
the people remained the same,they didn't change.
Then they wafted through thesmell from the sweat pads where
there was psychological stress,ie jumpingaves of the people in
the machine.
In the FRMI machine replicatedthe fear response, which
(28:06):
actually says to us that ashumans, we can smell fear in
others.
We can emotionally feel howother people, what they're
feeling, what they're goingthrough, so we can smell it.
That's been shown.
Of course, horses can smell it.
When they say horses can smellfear, they absolutely can.
There's no doubt about that andthere's been further research
(28:26):
done in the in europe in thatparticular area which shows that
.
So sometimes when you're in asituation as a leader or just as
a human and you have a gut feelabout something, that gut feel
is coming from all these senses,for example the smell and the
pheromones that you're pickingup that you're not even aware of
(28:49):
.
So one of the things I'm guessthat I've learned through time
is trust your gut, because yourgut is picking up all these
things that, intellectually,you're not aware of.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
And you know.
So is that?
Is that seriously linked, likethat's something we talk about
now doing, when, like figuringout if you can work with a
client or not, if your guts istelling you, hey, this client's,
there's alarm bells here likelet's not do this job, yeah so
so what your, your gut, is doing?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
your gut is picking up all the um, all the cues that
you're not aware of.
But all these cues that you'vepicked up in evolution as a
human to where you are today hasmeant that you've survived as a
species or we've survived as aspecies.
So we're highly attuned, but wetry to rationalize everything
in our brains now.
(29:38):
So, again, one of the factorsthat we consider is something
called the ideomotor response,which is whenever someone has a
thought in their brain, it comesout through their body
somewhere.
It might be a subtle shift oftheir eyes, it might be moving
of their fingers, it could betwitching of the toes, it could
(29:59):
be the blinking rate, nodding ofthe head, something, a slight
squint of the eyes, somethingthat you may not be aware of,
that you're giving out thesecues.
But every time you have athought, your body is sending
out a message.
Now, horses are very clued intopicking up this in humans
because, of course, horses are aprey animal, ie other animals
eat them, and they're alwayswatching us to make sure they're
(30:22):
not going to be eaten by us.
So horses are very attuned toall the subtle cues that you're
giving off.
But as a human.
If you're with another person,they're giving off all these
cues that you may not be awareyou're picking up and that too
might add to your gut feeling,either positively or negatively.
You know there could be aslight hesitation in a response
(30:45):
from a person or them lookingaway, which is often a sign of
dishonesty when you'recommunicating with them.
You may not pick that up, butyou get that sense in your gut
that something is wrong and it'syour visual and your senses
that are picking up all of thesecues and giving you that in
your gut.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Yeah, so you definitely need to go with your
gut feeling.
Speaker 10 (31:07):
If every builder holds their right hand up and
looks into the palm of theirhand and their fingers make a
cup, they've got five fingers.
Typically, unless they'recarpenters, then they've got
four or half a thumb.
Each of those fingers are acore element of your business.
So this is called pivot pointmanagement.
You, Dwayne Pierce, can walkaway from your sites because
you've almost reached nirvanathat if something goes wrong on
(31:28):
that building site, they'regoing to take a photo or do a
live chat with you.
That didn't happen five yearsago.
So I mastered technology.
But each of your fingersbecomes an element of running
your construction company andyou need to know what those
elements are, what they looklike done at best practice, and
then who's going to do them.
And then you ideally want toemploy people who want to do it
better than you, who will dig inharder than you will and really
(31:51):
put their shoulders to thewheel and want to do it better
than you do.
And that, ladies and gentlemen,is the recipe for success.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Until you build that team, you can't earn a fortune
building your own houses, evenif you think you are well, you
touched on it before when youthat magical place where you're
attracting the right type ofclients is also attracting the
right type of team members.
Speaker 10 (32:12):
Yes, based on your personal development.
If you're a rat bag, you'regoing to attract rat bags and
rat bag clients.
There's no doubt that the lawof attraction works in
construction as it does in fastfood.
You know, I'm serious At threeo'clock in the morning you want
a doner kebab.
You go to the closest one andthe nearest one.
I used to say this to peoplewhen we were justifying PAC.
I'll use your terminology Ifyour child, if your daughter,
(32:34):
breaks her arm at mixed martialarts jeez, I've changed that a
bit over the years you take herto the nearest doctor yeah, the
nearest doctor, yeah.
Or the Launceston GeneralHospital, and spend eight hours
in casually and the doctor says,oh, your daughter's arm's
really badly broken.
You need to see a specialist.
What does your mind say?
$800.
$300.
(32:54):
$300.
Yeah, an unknown, etherealexpense.
Right, if you've got a cheaperone, can I go to a cheaper
surgeon?
Is there a neurosurgeon that'scheaper for my child?
No, you go for the best.
Well, in the building industry,when the woman, the homemaker,
sorry is dissatisfied with theircurrent living arrangements too
(33:14):
hot, too cold, too big, toosmall, small, and we can go
through all them as anotherworkshop the minute that
homemaker says I've had enoughand hits the internet.
That's your moment of truth.
We all read that book moment oftruth.
And then they've got to gothrough a known process and if
you can take them through thatprocess as quick as you can, as
simple and painless, based on aprofessional relationship, you
will be paid as a professional.
Yeah, if you don't, you'll bepaid as an amateur and you've
(33:38):
either got a known process,that's, that's gold there, what
you just freebie for thelisteners, right, but if you go
through life, never and ofcourse we're not dealing with
self-esteem today I used to sayto builders man, you're a great
builder.
I used to give the awards to thebuilders on stage for hi and
mba for nine years.
Here's house of the year Welldone Everybody, ladies and
gentlemen, sponsored by Karoma.
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And if you go and speak to thebuilder, are you a good builder,
are you a great builder?
Oh, no, man, I'm just a chippy.
I'm like, oh my God, you justwon house of the year at a straw
bale and you know, off grid, onan island, off the coast, in 50
knot winds, and you and youjust say to me you're just a
builder.
So not only do we need to lifthow we are perceived in the
market.
We need to lift ourselves.
Speaker 11 (34:27):
When I look at the building code and also
manufacturers' recommendations,specifically the building code,
I feel it's like a minimum.
Why are we going to the minimum?
Why would we?
Well, it's not just volumebuilders.
I'll deal with some volumebuilders and they're really good
at what they do.
Their processes are good, theirbuilds are good, they back it
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up, they go back, they fix stuff, because no one's perfect.
But when we're always aimingfor a minimum or the line in the
sand set by the building codeand I'll use box gutters for an
example why would you design toa minimum of the size of your
gutter, which is carrying allthis water, for a, you know, for
(35:10):
a certain rainfall intensity,why wouldn't you go 20, 50
percent more to make sure thatthere's no chance, even if you
get a really huge storm, thatit's not going to come back
inside and wreck the inside ofthe house?
It doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
Well, it's common sense, isn't it Well?
Speaker 11 (35:28):
there's a bit of shortage of that.
But to me I've always believedin trying to go over and above
what the minimum is from adesign aspect, that things work
Okay.
Now we all know from adesigner's point of view and a
builder's point of view thatmight be different too, yeah,
but like box gutters are aclassic example.
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The amount of failures isunacceptable.
And even going to the minimumis unacceptable.
Go over and above.
Make sure it's big enough torun a broom in.
It's flashed far further thanit has to be.
The joints are mickey mouse.
You've designed it so there'splenty of room to get.
Fall doesn't have to be theminimum, fall, just get a bit
more fall in it.
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Get the rain heads oversized,your overflows oversized.
You know what's the big deal.
By doing it bigger than it hasto be, or smarter, or you do the
water print, put another coaton big deal.
We don't do wet decks.
You know outdoor decks, tilesso many failures we've seen.
We'll refuse to do them.
They have to be concrete nowyeah, we've gone the same way oh
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, it's astronomical, even withthe types of the windows, just
all sorts of things, how you docertain decks, how you get your
driveways to work, all thesethings around your home, and
it's just everyone's aiming fora minimum.
Yeah, it drives you mad.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I've never really thought of it like that, but
you're 100% right.
I guess, for those people thatmay not know what traditional
timber framing or log homes are,do you want to give us a little
bit of a background of how yougot into this and, I guess, a
little bit more detail aroundwhat it is.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, so I specialise in log homes and traditional
timber framing.
So, log homes, what I do iswhat we call a full scribe log
home, so not the like, uh, flatsand chinked or, you know,
filled with silicon style.
Uh, it's not a machined finishwhere logs are run through a
lathe to all uniform.
(37:25):
It's working with a completenatural log, um, and big logs um
, so the ones you'd see, like incanada and the states, um, you
know all on your movies and tvyeah, there's a lot of, there's
a lot of big um, like you'd seearound what montana and yeah, um
, um, yeah, canada and thosesorts of places they like, they.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
They have companies over there that literally
specialize in turning up withtruck fulls of log and building
log homes don't they?
Speaker 3 (37:51):
yeah, that's, and that's the one I so I did my
time for new zealand log homes.
So that was, you know,equivalent of doing like a trade
as a carpenter.
I spent four years, you know,learning the craft of just log
homes.
So, yeah, there's a lot of timelearning the craft, the skill,
and I was sort of lucky enoughthat in working there at the
(38:11):
time the company owner, derek,had broken into a market of post
and beam, which is a squaretimber sort of carpentry as well
, the big square timber andjoinery and over in Japan.
So I was lucky enough to do notjust the log homes but then
experience the pre-cutting ofpost and beams and sending them
to Japan.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Yeah, so you've got a huge variety of skills, haven't
you?
Like you're specialized inselecting the timber, sizing the
timber, milling the timber yeah, and I think like one of the.
It just blows my mind, like theamount of work.
Like when people hear me saythat you've been on this one
home for for five and a halfyears, like they're probably
like what the hell?
(38:53):
Like, yeah, but like I didn'trealize exactly how much was
involved until we come and had alook at that place the other
day.
Like when you talk about likeit's not, like you just go to a
pack, you pick up a length ofstraight timber and you, you,
you come up with your trusslayout on the ground and you
just nail it together, likeyou're actually like you've got
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to size the logs, find thecenter line of the log and then
all your measurements work fromthat center line, don't you?
Because the log can bedifferent shape on one side to
the to the other, yeah, and thentrying to get all that to line
up, and then you don't usemechanical fixings, do you?
no, no, no so everything's alltimber peg fixings yeah yeah,
like the Through the majority ofit yeah, the work like
(39:38):
seriously, for everyone that'slistening like the work in it is
insane, but like you can see itlike straight away when you
look at it, it's just incredible.
Like you can literally like Idon't know, it's something about
timber, isn't it?
When you walk into a timberhome, like you just want to
touch and feel it and and rub it, like it's just beautiful yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
I remember, you know, starting out in building my, my
dad was a builder, so that'swhat got me interested, you know
, right from as a kid, to be abuilder, um, and he was also a
mountaineer and an outdoorsmanand hunter and spent a lot of
time in that um.
And when I left school therewas at the time in like the
early mid-80s there wasapprenticeships were just rare
(40:21):
as hen's teeth, so I couldn't.
I tried and tried and tried, Ijust couldn't get an
apprenticeship.
The economy was, yeah, notgoing well.
So I sort of had to retract andI took the other path.
So, dad being really interestedin the outdoors, I went and did
a outdoor leadership course fora year down, so down in the
(40:41):
lower part of the North Island,a little place called Masterton.
So I went down there and we didthis whole outdoor leadership.
We're up in the mountains, inthe rivers and in the bush and
it was fantastic.
But at that time I was 23 andmy son was born, my first child
child was born that year, and soby the end of it, I'm thinking
the only work then in that fieldwas to go and temp at outdoor
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pursuit centres and school campsand things, and I couldn't do
that with a child.
And just at the end of thecourse there was a sign at the
TAFE there and it was a log homebuilding school like six weeks
log home building school at theTAFE there.
And it was a log home buildingschool, like six weeks log home
building school.
And then I saw that sign andbang.
As soon as I saw the words loghome building, I thought that's
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what I want to do, cause I'dworked in the bush, I'd been,
you know, I was a country boy,I'd been on chainsaws and that
you know for a good part of mylife.
And I saw that and thoughtsomething about crafting
chainsaws, big timber, you know.
I just thought, wow, I've gotto do this so, guys, there you
go.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
I hope you got a lot out of, uh, all those guests and
those snippets that we've givenyou a taste of.
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bring on 2025.
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guests in 2025.
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your way.
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me, dwayne Pearce, is basedsolely on my own personal
experiences and thoseexperiences of my guests.
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