June 8, 2025 • 36 mins
This bonus episode brings back Elizabeth Rosenberg, a past guest on The Life Shift, to reflect on her journey since we last chatted. She shares how her perspective has evolved over the months, particularly regarding vulnerability and sharing personal stories. Elizabeth emphasizes the importance of leaning into our truths and how doing so can lead to unexpected growth and healing. It’s fascinating to hear how her experiences have shaped not just her personal life but also her professional endeavors.
If you're curious about the impact of sharing your story and the shifts that can follow, this conversation is definitely for you.
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I’m excited to share bonus episodes from Patreon, where I revisited past guests to discuss what has changed and the value of sharing their stories. Since I currently only have the lower tiers available, I wanted to make these conversations accessible to the public feed. If you'd like to support the show directly, please consider joining the $3 or $5 tier on Patreon – www.patreon.com/thelifeshiftpodcast.
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Hello, my friends. I justwanted to drop some special bonus
episodes into the feed thatyou probably have not heard unless
you are a part or an earlypart of the Patreon for the Life
Shift podcast. If you don'tknow, I do have a Patreon. It currently
only has two tiers. One is athree dollar a month tier just to
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support what I'm doing, helpscover production costs. And then
there's a five dollar tierwhich will get you episodes early
and just the, I guess, warmfuzzies for help out with the Life
Shift podcast. But I used tohave other tiers where people were
so generous and were offeringadditional money each month to get
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bonus episodes and possiblewinnings of T shirts and all sorts
of things. And then I realizeda couple months ago that I wasn't
able to deliver what I wantedto, especially for those of you that
were giving me the extramoney. So right now we're just kind
of doing the early episodes.You'll always get those. So if you
want to support the Life Shiftpodcast, please jump over to patreon.com
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forward/thelifeshiftpodpodcast and you can find that information
there. But I come on herebecause I want to share a series
of these bonus episodes that Idid early on in the Patreon journey.
There are like 20 plusepisodes in which I had bonus recordings
with previous guests. So Iwould go back and we would have a
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conversation about theexperience of sharing their story
on the Life Shift podcast.Catch up on anything. And I think
these are super important andI know most of them did not see the
light of day from outside ofthe Patreon. So I'm going to be dropping
these episodes. Whateveryou're listening to now is another
episode. So I'm going to usethe same intro for all of them. But
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here is one of the bonusepisodes with a former guest from
the Life Shift podcast. And ifyou like this, let me know because
I'm thinking of bringing someof this back and talking to previous
guests as I go into year four.So enjoy this bonus episode that
was once released on thePatreon feed. I'm Matt Gilhooley
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and this is the Life ShiftCandid conversations about the pivotal
moments that have changedlives forever. I'm here with Elizabeth.
Hey, Elizabeth.
Hi.
That's what I call my Patreonsupporters, because I haven't come
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up with a clever name yet, butI do these Life Shifters.
They're Life Shifters.
Oh, well, I could do that. Yeah.
I don't know. We'll come upwith a fun name.
People listening. What do youwant to be called? I appreciate these
Patreon supporters. I do thisindie podcasting journey, as. As
you're aware, is. Is such aninteresting beast. And then when
I decide that I'm going tomake it something where I can hear
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so many people's personal,pivotal stories and how their lives
have changed, it's, like, sogood, but also just so much that
I just didn't even expect. AndI'm just so grateful that people
like you chosen me or allowedme a little glimpse into your life.
So just thank you for being apart of this journey and now a part
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of the family.
Well, I've loved watching thisjourney, and I feel like every story
comes out when it's supposedto. And I just want to remind you,
like, of the work that you'redoing and how important it is, because
I genuinely believe that whensomeone gets to a point where they
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feel like they're supposed totell their story, that's when they're
supposed to tell it, and thepeople who are supposed to hear it
are supposed to hear it. So Ijust want you to know, like, you
are the conduit of thatexperience for so many people. And
I think vulnerability andrelatability, again, you play such
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a role in yourself and the.Bringing the story out of others
and holding that space forthem, I know, can be quite difficult,
especially in this, like, theworld we live in. So thank you for
what you're doing, because Idon't think you realize how. What.
What a big job it is and whatan impact it's making.
I appreciate that. And, youknow, you. We recorded your episode,
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like, eight months. No, sevenmonths ago April. What month are
we in? I don't even know whatmonth we're in. Okay, so six months
ago, we recorded in April of2023, which seems like it wasn't
that long ago, but apparentlyit was.
I mean, doesn't I see. It'sfunny because it feels like not that
long ago, and at the sametime, it feels like it was two years
ago.
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I agree. Yeah. And then yourepisode came out in. In June, and
you were episode 65. And I.Today I just recorded episode 107,
which I can't even believethat this journey has taken me this
far. And it feels like to me,it feels like we just talked for
the first time very recently.And to know that I've recorded 40
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plus conversations since, it'sfascinating to me.
You're on a journey. I loveit. That's a lot of Work, by the
way, you should always beproud of. Like, that is a lot of
work.
Well, thank you. And. And yourstory, I'll remind people listening
your story, I, you know, Irefer back to it a lot in a lot of
the conversations that I'vehad since, because, you know, what
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I took from it more thananything else is that, yes, you.
You face migraines, you face,you know, some. Some health concerns
and such, but what I took fromthe way we had our conversation was
once you started leaning intowhat felt most real for you and most,
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you know, like, you justleaned into you, things started to
subside a little bit. And Idon't know if that's still true,
but that's what I took fromthat conversation in an inspiring
way of, like, look, if itfeels right and you're pushing it
away, maybe lean into it tosee what it brings you and see what
it unfolds for you, whetherthat's a physical manifestation,
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whether that's some kind ofspiritual thing, whatever that may
be. That was the inspirationthat I got from having the conversation
with you was just like, wow,as soon as she did that, things seemed
to change a little bit. Am I.Did I hit anything there?
No, you're totally. I thinkyou're very. You're very much right.
I think about that all thetime of, if you had told me where
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I would be now three yearsago, I would have told you you were
insane. There's no way I'd bedoing that. There's no way I'd be
on podcasts out, like, veryboldly and publicly talking about
my own medical issues, my ownmental health issues, my own spiritual
journey. And the more I talkabout it, I think the more comfortable
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I am with it, and then alsothe more comfortable I know other
people are with it, too. So.And I really believe that that's
kind of one of the things thatI meant to do in this world is destigmatize
so many things that have somuch stigma around them and then
also just be relatable in anyway possible. Right? I mean, like,
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we're all still human. We'reall still dealing with all the things.
So it's not like all of asudden one day you're like, I'm spiritual
now. And then, like,everything gets better. Like, wouldn't
that be just the most amazing thing?
That would be nice.
Still lots of lessons for usto learn and still lots of ways to
process them, and I'm still onthat journey. And I also think. We
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think that there's Like a topthat we're gonna get to do. You know
what I mean? Like, it's justlike, then it will be done.
Well, we were sold that. Yeah,we were sold that.
Right? And somebody made thatup, and we all believed it. And I
think that is the thing thatI'm in it with right now, is where
I'm always going to be on thisjourney. It's always going to morph
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and change and, you know,pivot and light, like, lots of little
ways, but I'm always going tobe on it. And I think when in terms
of spirituality and what thatlooks like for me is I have had these
massive aha moments of, youknow, I think the TikTok spirituality,
girls and boys telling us,this is the way you're supposed to
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do something. And even all ofthe old spirituality books from,
you know, forever, and someonewas just like, this is how I do it.
So this is how it is. And Ireally come from the camp of like,
says who? Like, you. Thisworks for you, may not work for somebody
else. And I use that as, like,a metaphor for really what was going
on in my. In my healthjourney. Is everybody. When you've
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got migraines, it is the mostannoying thing ever. Everyone always
says to you, but have youtried this? And I think it's with
any time you have any kind ofchronic illness, right, people want
to be helpful, but at the sametime, you're like, I would just like
to punch you in the face. Yes,I tried this. And to me, spirituality
is very similar. It's like,well, I do it this way, so you should
do it this way. And I live inthe camp of like, says who? No one's
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going to know who's right orwrong until we die. Why don't we
just accept the fact that weall do things differently and one
way is not better than anotherway? So that's where I'm at right
now in that place.
A question. You know, when youwere climbing the ladder of your
three years ago life, you knowthat. That earlier version of your
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life and kind of chasing thenext milestone and the next success,
were you someone that was verymuch like, you know, you can do it
your way, I'll do it my way,or you were you more like, here's
the box. I need to stickaround and stay in this box and do
it within the realm of whateveryone says we should do?
No, I. It's funny. I'm aVirgo. I was gonna say I was colored
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outside the lines. I nevercolored outside the Lines. I was
a Virgo, but I am a Virgo.Tried and true. But in terms of work
for me personally, I have beenfired and I have been laid off from
a job. I have now had threedifferent entrepreneurial adventures.
There's something reallyinteresting about being an entrepreneur
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and then going back intocorporate America because you're
like, I don't care if I getfired. I'll just go back to doing
what I was doing. I wasperfectly fine doing that. This is
just another, like,experience. So because of that, in
the last, you know, I think,like, cycle of my career and which
was really focused onadvertising, I was like, I'm just
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gonna do things the way that Ithink are the, like, kind of out
of the box, out of lines,road, like, rock and roll way of
doing things. Like, let's seeif it works. And it was a much more
fun way to do work. There aresome things you have to do. I mean,
come on, we're still in, like,you know, we still have this society
that we live in that we haveto adhere to, but when you don't
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have fear of losing your job,you don't have fear of what's next.
You actually have a freedom todo something that's a little more
fun and a little different.Because if we continue to do things
the way that we've always donethem, we will die as a society. Like,
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we have to innovate, we haveto grow. We have to be thinking.
And that's not just work wise,right? It's emotionally, physically,
spiritually, mentally, likecommunity wise. Like, how are we
changing the way that we'vealways done things to make them work
better for who we are and theworld that we live in now?
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It's really hard. I think thatsociety has played a big role in
a lot of, like, my generationespecially, which is close to your
generation, is that I think wewere sold that, you know, that's
we just have to follow therules. The next thing is the next
thing we have to go down thatline. But you know, what. What's
what? I'm finding the moreepisodes that I record and the more
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times I hear from peoplebehind the scenes that have heard
an episode and they're like,oh, my gosh, I don't want to put
this out publicly, but I heardthis episode and it really resonated
with me. Is your example hereis that by sharing these stories,
other people are now hearing adifferent way or. Or, you know, another
approach that could be, youknow, valuable for them to consider.
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And then maybe these Smalllittle inroads are being made because
people are hearing differentthings. They're not, you know, kind
of following the prescription,if you will, of whatever life was
supposed to do for them orhowever they were supposed to perform.
And so I'm seeing value now inthat and just being able to talk
to over 100 people that I'venever met before, you know, and,
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and learning that there'sdifferent ways because I was very
much, mostly trauma based, butvery much inside the lines, very
much pleasing other people,proving my worth to other people.
And so, you know, even in thisstorytelling journey, for me it's
been very valuable. And I'msure you see that in your newest
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venture.
I do. And, and I also, I'mkind of awestruck with how fast things
are moving. In all honesty,like, you know what, a year ago we
all thought NFTs were likegoing to be the future. Really. They
were just the beanie bait.They were just the beanie babies
of our generation. I mean, Istill think there's something there,
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but we'll see what happens.And then you've got the rise of AI
in like a really interestingway. Like, what's that going to look
like? So my own business isreally pivoting and morphing in a
way that like doesn't lookfamiliar to me. I'm moving into,
I think a little more groupwork. I've really had to rethink.
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You know, when I launched mybusiness in this form, it was a few
years ago and I really thoughtof it as personal branding. And now
I think that like influencershave ruined the word personal brand.
I think brands have ruined theword purpose. I think that everyone
has ruined the word authentic.And all of those words are such an
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important part of what I do.How do I take and reimagine what
those words are, what theymean to my practice, and then also
how I show up in the world. Soit's like, it's almost like me going
through my own kind of likesoul searching, like brand exercise
of what the next iteration ofthat looks like. And it's funny because
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I think a lot of it is beingdriven into a place for me of spiritual
health, I think, and, and whatthat aligns with when it comes to
your origin story, which Iknow we've talked so much about,
and bringing purpose topeople. But spiritual health, if
you're really thinking againabout those four bodies of we, corporate
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America and the world societyis so like all about physical health,
right? And we're all nowbecoming much more Comfortable talking
about mental health, emotionalhealth. We're not totally there yet
with. I think we're really,like, skirting on the surface of
what emotional health reallymeans. And it's connection to mental
health and physical health,spiritual health. I don't think anybody
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has an idea of what thatmeans. And I also think spiritual
is a weird word. It's notnecessarily religious. It's not like,
it's not mystic. It's not likeastrology. Like, what. What does
that mean? So, and then whenyou bring in this idea of, like,
connection and community andhow we all work together in that
space, this is. My mind isblown. So this is like, the space
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that I'm in right now of as amarketer and as a PR person and as
a storyteller of how do Ireimagine what all of this looks
like for me, for my clientsand for the business I want to, like,
continue to build? It's a lot.
Yeah, yeah. And it soundslike, you know, I think a lot of
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us have worked for. For theman, if you will, or the woman, mostly
the men. And we just did whatthose things were required of us.
And it sounds like now you'relike, well, first, what do I want?
What do I feel? And how can Inot be authentic? Because we're not
going to use that word. Buthow can I really feel all this so
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that it's passion forward, youknow, like, or it's. It just feels
right. Whereas a lot of peopleare just very, you know, capitalist
mind. And, like, I could sella million of these widgets over here.
I don't really care aboutthem, but I'll sell them. So it sounds
like you're kind of in thisspace of like, let me find out what
really feels right for me sothat I can offer that to people and
can kind of create that space.
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Yes. And also on a, you know,like, on a business and entrepreneurial
front, what is actually mostlike, impactful for my clients? Like,
what is. What is work for me?And then what do they need to.
Right. Yeah, but it's drivenby you.
It is driven by me. Everybodyshould like their job.
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We'll talk about that adifferent time. You know, so related
to this podcast, I know youwere, at the time when we recorded,
you were kind of doing therounds of different podcasts. Was
there anything that stood outabout our conversation that. That
you felt differently afterrecording this one, or was it just,
like, all the same? Because Iknow we've had conversations back
and forth, and I'm justcurious how that how this one differs
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in your experience.
I think your podcast is justdifferent, and it's because you are
different.
Thank you.
I think it's so much moreabout your story and its impact and
its relatability and sharingand amplifying those stories of others
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for purpose. Right. Like,versus. Versus Being brought on to
do self promotion. And as a PRperson, PR people are, like, terrible
at self promotion because ourentire jobs have been about promoting
others. So it's, like, kind ofan uncomfortable place for a lot
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of people to be. Becauseyou're like, I don't. I still don't
love talking about myself, butwhat I do love talking about is the
work that I do and the peoplethat I get to work with and the impact
that I make. So I thinkthat's. I felt very seen and heard
and, like, valued on yourpodcast. So thank you for that, because
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I think that's important.
Thank you for the kind words.And I put you on the spot so that
you would say nice things sothat I have it recorded so that if
I needed to play it back. No,I agree. And sometimes I have these
interactions with publiciststhat are pitching their clients or
whatever, and everyone'spitch. Not everyone, but a lot of
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the pitches are, you know,here's my client. Here's their one
sheet. Here are the bulletpoints that they can sell to your
audience. And here. And I'mjust like, no, like, that's not what
I want. I really do want theseto feel like two people sitting down
having a conversation that Iwish I could overhear everyone having,
and it just happens to berecorded. And then, like you said,
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the right person is hearing itat the time that they need to hear
it, you know, and so that'swhat. What drives me. And I know
it's not for everyone, and Iknow that's okay, and it doesn't
need to be for everyone. Andthat's why when I get, like, intimidated
sometimes by guests like, youknow, that have had a lot of success
in places that I haven't, andI'm like, why me? You know? But so.
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So thank you for. For justbeing willing to just be on this
podcast that's not like theother ones and not prescriptive.
And in that way, I think, too.
We always forget thatsomeone's success doesn't mean that
it's going to take away fromyours. We live in this, like, idea
that maybe it's the week thatwe're in right now. I mean, again,
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the world. The world justfeels nuts. But I feel Like, I have
so much angst and like, justanger around social media and it's
need an algorithm to like,push people to make a statement on
something or to post somethingor to feel not worthy enough because
their opinion didn't matterbecause it wasn't agreed upon. And
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I think about that a lot, thatmy success isn't really doesn't make
a difference of anybodyelse's. Right. It's just kind of
like it is what. And it's alsolike, I'm the judge of it. So it's
like, if I feel successful, ifI feel fulfilled, if I feel like
I'm making a difference, Iguess that's where I need to sit.
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But that's, that's a humanpractice. Like, we have to like,
practice that because we'vebeen conditioned to do the opposite.
I'm learning a lot of what Iwas conditioned to do and feel and
grow through, you know, myjourney as I have these conversations.
Like, oh, yeah, that's why Ifeel the way that I do. And you know,
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after 40 plus years, it's alot harder to break those immediately.
But I do. I have people onhere. I'm like, why me? But it's.
It's wonderful and I lovethis. In fact, you know, after your
story, I actually had you do areading for me, which I've found
fascinating, and I'm about toactually, I put on my calendar to
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go back and listen to it againbecause I think when I was in the
moment. So, you know, whenyou're in the moment, a lot of things
happen. But even from yourepisode, another friend of mine who's
gone through a lot of journeyhas also come to you and, and done
a reading, and you've reallychanged their perspective on a lot
of things in just a few shortweeks. So I love that because you
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chose to be on this show,these kind of things are unfolding.
And I guess this goes back toyour earlier point of, you know,
things happen in the way thatthey're supposed to at the time that
they're supposed to.
And if I impacted two people,I impacted two people. I love that
so much. Like, that thatbrings me joy, you know, that makes
me feel like I'm living my purpose.
Yeah, well, and I think youhave. And, you know, the, the podcasting
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world is very weird. You don'thear a lot from people. There's not
a place for people to commentabout things. And so I'm sure that
we've heard or we've had a lotof impact in, in your story. And
you sharing that, did you hearfrom anyone or anybody that listened
to your particular episode?
I didn't get reached out.Like, no one emailed me. But you
know, I do have people listen,like ask like, which one should I
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listen to? So I actuallyalways send this one because I'm
like, you should actually justlisten to the whole thing because
it's phenomenal.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah. No, so again, thank youfor giving me space to actually tell
my story.
When you are listening topodcasts in the, in the real world,
do you listen to podcasts?
Yes.
What kind of podcast are youtypically drawn towards? Like, is
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there a genre? Are you goingto tell me that you listen to like
a Bravo podcast or something?
I. To bad dates.
Okay, okay.
It is. I've heard it brings mejust the giggles. And I feel like
my life is so heavy in termsof PR and also similar to you. Right.
Of like hearing trauma fromother people and feeling emotions
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that are not my emotions.Sometimes I'm just like, I, I just
like need a giggle. I am superobsessed with the Sam Bankman Friedman
case. I find it to be wildlyentertaining. So there's a podcast
following that case right nowthat is just blowing my mind. And
I love, like, kind of culturalstuff. So it's funny because people
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always ask me all the time,like, just on the self help or do
you listen to like, you know,and I, I don't, I, I, it's kind of
like news related and, andnothing spiritual normally. Because
I'm like, I don't agree withthat. When people talk about things.
Sometimes I totally do. Andsometimes I'm just like, that's an
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interesting point of view,which I should probably do more of
because again, I find itfascinating how people resonate in
this space. But sometimes Ijust, honestly, I just need a laugh.
I am also just a really big,like, music person. So Spotify is
like the only app where I'mlike, take all my data. You. You
give me back all the thingsthat I want in return in the best
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way possible. So, yes, here'sthe data.
So you're someone that listensto podcasts on Spotify?
I do everything on Spotify.
Wow. I can't do it. I can'tmix them. I can't mix my podcasts
and my music. I don't knowwhy. I don't know why. All right,
so whatever. But you know, I,I feel that way too. Like, I don't
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listen to a lot of interviewpodcasts. I don't know why. Maybe
I'll feel inadequate whenthere's a really great host or something
or. But I think, you know, Igo to things that like, are more
story based or silly, like,like you kind of lean into for the
bad dates kind of thing. OrI'll watch like trash TV and people
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are like, why are you watchingtrash tv? And I'm like, I just need
something that's an escape.
Yeah, it's easy, it's light.
Relate. I can't relate toanything that's happening, so I'm
just gonna watch it.
I tell people all the time,it's like, well, what kind of TV
do you watch? And I mean,obviously, like, you know, I love
a good, I love like the bearand stuff like that. But like, if
I'm going to sleep, I willwatch baking before I go to sleep.
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I am a terrible baker.Terrible. I'm a good, really, really
good cook. I'm a terriblebaker. But it is like, I don't have
dreams about it. It's like,very calming. I always find people
to be like, very, like, bakersare all very like sweet and nice.
It is like the, it is acalming thing for me. So, like, you
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never know like, what the,what the weird thing is for somebody
where they're like, huh, allright. Yeah.
No, I mean, I think it makessense and I love that there's so
many options for us now. Ilove it makes it hard as a podcaster
to be in a space with so manyother people. But I love kind of
finding out what peoplegravitate towards because, you know,
a lot of people are into truecrime. I'm also into true crime.
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I like the puzzle of it. I'mnot into the salaciousness of the
actual crime. It's more like,how did people put those pieces together?
Because I think that'sfascinating. But you know, I love
that you, you listen to, to junk.
You kind of have to.
Yeah, it's like mind candy, ifyou will.
Exactly.
If there's someone out therethat's kind of like, like you were
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three years ago. Like, I can'timagine telling people my, my secrets
or like coming out and tellingpeople that I have these particular
skills or I like to thinkabout things in this way. If people
are like, on that, in thatspace, but are kind of feeling compelled
to share a story or share itwith people. Do you have any recommendations
for people that like how tostep into that truth or how to like,
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what's any, any advice youhave for them?
Yes. Start with your trustedcircle of friends.
Isn't that the hardest? I Feellike that's so hard.
Interesting. I had the exactopposite. I was not ready for strangers
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to know my truths. I thinkfriends are. You're right. Circle
of friends is going to beaccepting no matter what you do.
So for me, that was where Istarted. I mean, and the reality
is too, is I just intuitbecause again, I'm, I'm a medium.
So I guess it's a differentsituation. But, like, I was, I intuitively
knew who I could tell, like,tell things to and who I couldn't,
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like, who I was like, oh, I'man Akashic record reader. And some
people were like, oh, yeah,great. But I knew who not to tell
because I didn't want them tojudge me or say, you know, like.
And then you just get to apoint where you're like, well, I
pulled enough people and youjust rip the band aid off. And that's.
And it feels so free.
And it feels so free. But thattimeline is your timeline. I mean,
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I've got some clients who,like, are like, okay, I feel super
empowered. I'm gonna, like,post my story today. And I'm like,
wow, okay. Like, it took meyears to do my, to share my truth.
So I also think you need totrust, trust yourself on your own
timeline of what that lookslike for you. Some people also don't
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need to broadcast. Right? Wedo, because that's what we needed
in our journey. But somepeople just need to maybe tell the
family member something theyalways wanted to tell the family
member or their, you know whatI mean? Like, maybe it's just not
that big.
Get out of their head. Yeah,yeah. I, I, I am someone that I find
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it. I just need to telleverybody all at once. And it can
be terrible. And I get a lotof people that are like, you know,
on my. Not the first, secondor third rung of friends, but they're
like there. And they're like,matt, why are you putting this on
the Internet? And, you know,valid question. Why am I doing that?
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Why am I putting that outthere? But then I think back to,
like, you know, people hearingthese kind of stories. It's like,
there are people out there.I'm not the only one feeling this.
For so long, I felt like I wasthe only one that felt the way I
did. And then I realized I'mnot. And now by sharing that out
there, two things happen.Someone else might read it, might
feel less alone, but I also,it's out there, it's done. I don't
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have to worry about what otherPeople think. Because now everyone
can see it.
Yeah.
You know, and there it is, youknow, and so I think you're right
about the timeline and also,like, who you tell. But secrets or
things that are like, thereare very heavy sometimes. So I think
letting it out is. Is more helpful.
Yeah.
Than keeping it in.
I agree. Good for you.
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Well, I appreciate you. I, youknow, whatever. You don't have to
approve what I do. You know, Ithink it's. It's my own thing. And
it took a while to get here.It took a while for me to be okay
enough to be like, look, I'mhaving a really crappy day and it's
okay, you know, and it is whatit is.
But I appreciate younormalizing that behavior.
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There's another value, Iguess, to it is that third, like,
like you said earlier, is thatwe need to normalize a lot of this.
Yeah. I mean, one of thethings I used to do with my team
is on our Monday morningmeeting, it was like, all right,
guys, one to five, how wefeeling? One being absolutely terrible
and five being like, great. Wedidn't ask anybody what was actually
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going on, but I would thenknow how someone was going to show
up in the meeting. I'm a one.Okay, great. All right, good to know.
I'm a four. You know what Imean? Like, and it was just an emotional
check in. Emotional check in.How's everybody doing after the weekend?
Okay. Great. And then the onesit was like, okay, do you need afterwards?
I don't need to know what'sgoing on, but, like, what do you
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need for me as a managertoday? What. What this week? Do you
need extra space? Do you needextra time for therapy? Like, what
do you need? I need this or Ijust need to be alone. I need to
be like, just heads down, worknow. Mind you, this is also when
we go into an office five daysa week and we all needed to show
up with a smile on our face.Some of that has changed for some
people. But I think that ideaof normalizing just to be like, I've
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had a bad day, or I've got alot going on, or everyone is emotionally
burned out right now in waysthat I don't think we have ever experienced.
And I think that we have toacknowledge that other people are
feeling the same way that weare around us. And then how do we
show up in the world if that'sthe case? And I don't think everyone
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is, like, naturally built with empathy.
No. It goes to a conversationthat I have a lot with people now,
and I'm realizing I do it toomuch is that, like, when you have.
Like when you see someone forthe first time, you're like, hey,
how are you? And I'm just soconditioned. I think a lot of us
are to just say good.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and not. And it'sfor two reasons. One, it's like,
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do I want to go into it? Do Iwant to, like, bring down the mood
if I'm not good. But also, isthe person that I'm talking to prepared
for my real response that.
That are they ready to receive?
Right. Because then it getsmore awkward. Right. Because that
person is expecting you tosay, good. Thanks, you. You know,
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and so I think the more we canbe real with each other, I mean,
it doesn't have to be like,the person at the grocery store or
anything like that, but, youknow, the people that are in our
circle that we trust and care,we should be feel. We should feel
free to. To let them know howwe're feeling and that maybe we don't
need anything.
Yeah.
Maybe. It's just. I'm nothaving a great day. I'm fine. Just
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not having a great day. So I'mjust a little meh, you know? And.
And now someone knows. Nowthey know, like, your meeting thing.
You know, how to treat them.You know how to walk around them.
Yeah.
In a space that's comfortable.
Yes.
Do you find yourself sayinggood. Thank you all the time?
Especially this. Especiallythis week? Sometimes I'm good. I
try to find moments of momentsof good every day. But again, especially
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the last couple weeks. Yeah.People ask, how are you? And I'm
like, great. And I'm like,wait, I'm actually not. Hold on a
second. I'm actually notgreat. Let me think about how I actually
want to reply to that. Andyou're right. It is just such a natural,
like, like, answer that wejust give. But you're also right
in the sense that, like,there's sometimes where it's like,
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I don't want to, like, oh, whyare you not great? What's going on?
You're like, you are not theperson that I want to get into this
right now with. So sometimesit's just easier. But that's also
like, you know, I thinkeverybody has that little, like,
intuition within us to belike, is this somebody I want to
get into this with? Or is thissomebody I just want to say great
and move on? That's okay.That, you know, like, we all have
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permission to do that.
I agree. I Appreciate you. I'mso happy that you're in my circle
and that we know each other.And whenever I come out to the West
Coast, I'm gonna look you up.I know it's a big state, but I'll
find you and I will make a bad way.
That sounds really bad. Don'tyou worry. No. And thank you for
having me on again. I thinkyou were doing such important work,
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and I hope. And I always,after all of these, I always get
off the phone or the zoom orwhatever and on and go, God, I hope
I said something that washelpful, so. God, I hope I said something
that was helpful always.
I think there's somethingabout every conversation that I have.
Sometimes I don't resonatedeeply with a guest conversation,
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but I know, based onexperience that there's something
in their story. It might noteven be the most, like, thing that
would stand out to everyoneelse, but there's something that
people connect with becausethey needed to hear it at that moment.
It's like reading a bookagain. But you're like, this time
it's amazing. And you can'tbelieve that you didn't see it the
first time kind of thing.Yeah. You know, so I know you said
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something that will impactthese listeners. So thank you for
being you. Thank you for beinga part of this, and thank you to
the Patreon supporters forjust, like, helping me fund using
this piece of software andwhatever else I do in the future.
So, again, thank you for beinga part of this. And if you want to
hear Elizabeth's full, fullepisode, that is episode 65, so check
that out from June 6, 2023. Sothanks again.
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Thank you.
For more information, pleasevisit www.thelifeshiftpodcast.com.
Hello, my friends. I justwanted to drop some special bonus
episodes into the feed thatyou probably have not heard unless
you are a part or an earlypart of the Patreon for the Life
Shift podcast. If you don'tknow, I do have a Patreon. It currently
only has two tiers. One is athree dollar a month tier just to
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support what I'm doing, helpscover production costs. And then
there's a five dollar tierwhich will get you episodes early
and just the, I guess, warmfuzzies for help out with the Life
Shift podcast. But I used tohave other tiers where people were
so generous and were offeringadditional money each month to get
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bonus episodes and possiblewinnings of T shirts and all sorts
of things. And then I realizeda couple months ago that I wasn't
able to deliver what I wantedto, especially for those of you that
were giving me the extramoney. So right now we're just kind
of doing the early episodes.You'll always get those. So if you
want to support the Life Shiftpodcast, please jump over to patreon.com
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forward/thelifeshiftpodpodcast and you can find that information
there. But I come on herebecause I want to share a series
of these bonus episodes that Idid early on in the Patreon journey.
There are like 20 plusepisodes in which I had bonus recordings
with previous guests. So Iwould go back and we would have a
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conversation about theexperience of sharing their story
on the Life Shift podcast.Catch up on anything. And I think
these are super important andI know most of them did not see the
light of day from outside ofthe Patreon. So I'm going to be dropping
these episodes. Whateveryou're listening to now is another
episode. So I'm going to usethe same intro for all of them. But
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here is one of the bonusepisodes with a former guest from
the Life Shift podcast. And ifyou like this, let me know because
I'm thinking of bringing someof this back and talking to previous
guests as I go into year four.So enjoy this bonus episode that
was once released on thePatreon feed. I'm Matt Gilhooley
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and this is the Life ShiftCandid conversations about the pivotal
moments that have changedlives forever. I'm here with Elizabeth.
Hey, Elizabeth.
Hi.
That's what I call my Patreonsupporters, because I haven't come
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up with a clever name yet, butI do these Life Shifters.
They're Life Shifters.
Oh, well, I could do that. Yeah.
I don't know. We'll come upwith a fun name.
People listening. What do youwant to be called? I appreciate these
Patreon supporters. I do thisindie podcasting journey, as. As
you're aware, is. Is such aninteresting beast. And then when
I decide that I'm going tomake it something where I can hear
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so many people's personal,pivotal stories and how their lives
have changed, it's, like, sogood, but also just so much that
I just didn't even expect. AndI'm just so grateful that people
like you chosen me or allowedme a little glimpse into your life.
So just thank you for being apart of this journey and now a part
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of the family.
Well, I've loved watching thisjourney, and I feel like every story
comes out when it's supposedto. And I just want to remind you,
like, of the work that you'redoing and how important it is, because
I genuinely believe that whensomeone gets to a point where they
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feel like they're supposed totell their story, that's when they're
supposed to tell it, and thepeople who are supposed to hear it
are supposed to hear it. So Ijust want you to know, like, you
are the conduit of thatexperience for so many people. And
I think vulnerability andrelatability, again, you play such
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a role in yourself and the.Bringing the story out of others
and holding that space forthem, I know, can be quite difficult,
especially in this, like, theworld we live in. So thank you for
what you're doing, because Idon't think you realize how. What.
What a big job it is and whatan impact it's making.
I appreciate that. And, youknow, you. We recorded your episode,
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like, eight months. No, sevenmonths ago April. What month are
we in? I don't even know whatmonth we're in. Okay, so six months
ago, we recorded in April of2023, which seems like it wasn't
that long ago, but apparentlyit was.
I mean, doesn't I see. It'sfunny because it feels like not that
long ago, and at the sametime, it feels like it was two years
ago.
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I agree. Yeah. And then yourepisode came out in. In June, and
you were episode 65. And I.Today I just recorded episode 107,
which I can't even believethat this journey has taken me this
far. And it feels like to me,it feels like we just talked for
the first time very recently.And to know that I've recorded 40
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plus conversations since, it'sfascinating to me.
You're on a journey. I loveit. That's a lot of Work, by the
way, you should always beproud of. Like, that is a lot of
work.
Well, thank you. And. And yourstory, I'll remind people listening
your story, I, you know, Irefer back to it a lot in a lot of
the conversations that I'vehad since, because, you know, what
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I took from it more thananything else is that, yes, you.
You face migraines, you face,you know, some. Some health concerns
and such, but what I took fromthe way we had our conversation was
once you started leaning intowhat felt most real for you and most,
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you know, like, you justleaned into you, things started to
subside a little bit. And Idon't know if that's still true,
but that's what I took fromthat conversation in an inspiring
way of, like, look, if itfeels right and you're pushing it
away, maybe lean into it tosee what it brings you and see what
it unfolds for you, whetherthat's a physical manifestation,
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whether that's some kind ofspiritual thing, whatever that may
be. That was the inspirationthat I got from having the conversation
with you was just like, wow,as soon as she did that, things seemed
to change a little bit. Am I.Did I hit anything there?
No, you're totally. I thinkyou're very. You're very much right.
I think about that all thetime of, if you had told me where
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I would be now three yearsago, I would have told you you were
insane. There's no way I'd bedoing that. There's no way I'd be
on podcasts out, like, veryboldly and publicly talking about
my own medical issues, my ownmental health issues, my own spiritual
journey. And the more I talkabout it, I think the more comfortable
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I am with it, and then alsothe more comfortable I know other
people are with it, too. So.And I really believe that that's
kind of one of the things thatI meant to do in this world is destigmatize
so many things that have somuch stigma around them and then
also just be relatable in anyway possible. Right? I mean, like,
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we're all still human. We'reall still dealing with all the things.
So it's not like all of asudden one day you're like, I'm spiritual
now. And then, like,everything gets better. Like, wouldn't
that be just the most amazing thing?
That would be nice.
Still lots of lessons for usto learn and still lots of ways to
process them, and I'm still onthat journey. And I also think. We
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think that there's Like a topthat we're gonna get to do. You know
what I mean? Like, it's justlike, then it will be done.
Well, we were sold that. Yeah,we were sold that.
Right? And somebody made thatup, and we all believed it. And I
think that is the thing thatI'm in it with right now, is where
I'm always going to be on thisjourney. It's always going to morph
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and change and, you know,pivot and light, like, lots of little
ways, but I'm always going tobe on it. And I think when in terms
of spirituality and what thatlooks like for me is I have had these
massive aha moments of, youknow, I think the TikTok spirituality,
girls and boys telling us,this is the way you're supposed to
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do something. And even all ofthe old spirituality books from,
you know, forever, and someonewas just like, this is how I do it.
So this is how it is. And Ireally come from the camp of like,
says who? Like, you. Thisworks for you, may not work for somebody
else. And I use that as, like,a metaphor for really what was going
on in my. In my healthjourney. Is everybody. When you've
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got migraines, it is the mostannoying thing ever. Everyone always
says to you, but have youtried this? And I think it's with
any time you have any kind ofchronic illness, right, people want
to be helpful, but at the sametime, you're like, I would just like
to punch you in the face. Yes,I tried this. And to me, spirituality
is very similar. It's like,well, I do it this way, so you should
do it this way. And I live inthe camp of like, says who? No one's
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going to know who's right orwrong until we die. Why don't we
just accept the fact that weall do things differently and one
way is not better than anotherway? So that's where I'm at right
now in that place.
A question. You know, when youwere climbing the ladder of your
three years ago life, you knowthat. That earlier version of your
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life and kind of chasing thenext milestone and the next success,
were you someone that was verymuch like, you know, you can do it
your way, I'll do it my way,or you were you more like, here's
the box. I need to stickaround and stay in this box and do
it within the realm of whateveryone says we should do?
No, I. It's funny. I'm aVirgo. I was gonna say I was colored
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outside the lines. I nevercolored outside the Lines. I was
a Virgo, but I am a Virgo.Tried and true. But in terms of work
for me personally, I have beenfired and I have been laid off from
a job. I have now had threedifferent entrepreneurial adventures.
There's something reallyinteresting about being an entrepreneur
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and then going back intocorporate America because you're
like, I don't care if I getfired. I'll just go back to doing
what I was doing. I wasperfectly fine doing that. This is
just another, like,experience. So because of that, in
the last, you know, I think,like, cycle of my career and which
was really focused onadvertising, I was like, I'm just
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gonna do things the way that Ithink are the, like, kind of out
of the box, out of lines,road, like, rock and roll way of
doing things. Like, let's seeif it works. And it was a much more
fun way to do work. There aresome things you have to do. I mean,
come on, we're still in, like,you know, we still have this society
that we live in that we haveto adhere to, but when you don't
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have fear of losing your job,you don't have fear of what's next.
You actually have a freedom todo something that's a little more
fun and a little different.Because if we continue to do things
the way that we've always donethem, we will die as a society. Like,
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we have to innovate, we haveto grow. We have to be thinking.
And that's not just work wise,right? It's emotionally, physically,
spiritually, mentally, likecommunity wise. Like, how are we
changing the way that we'vealways done things to make them work
better for who we are and theworld that we live in now?
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It's really hard. I think thatsociety has played a big role in
a lot of, like, my generationespecially, which is close to your
generation, is that I think wewere sold that, you know, that's
we just have to follow therules. The next thing is the next
thing we have to go down thatline. But you know, what. What's
what? I'm finding the moreepisodes that I record and the more
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times I hear from peoplebehind the scenes that have heard
an episode and they're like,oh, my gosh, I don't want to put
this out publicly, but I heardthis episode and it really resonated
with me. Is your example hereis that by sharing these stories,
other people are now hearing adifferent way or. Or, you know, another
approach that could be, youknow, valuable for them to consider.
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And then maybe these Smalllittle inroads are being made because
people are hearing differentthings. They're not, you know, kind
of following the prescription,if you will, of whatever life was
supposed to do for them orhowever they were supposed to perform.
And so I'm seeing value now inthat and just being able to talk
to over 100 people that I'venever met before, you know, and,
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and learning that there'sdifferent ways because I was very
much, mostly trauma based, butvery much inside the lines, very
much pleasing other people,proving my worth to other people.
And so, you know, even in thisstorytelling journey, for me it's
been very valuable. And I'msure you see that in your newest
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venture.
I do. And, and I also, I'mkind of awestruck with how fast things
are moving. In all honesty,like, you know what, a year ago we
all thought NFTs were likegoing to be the future. Really. They
were just the beanie bait.They were just the beanie babies
of our generation. I mean, Istill think there's something there,
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but we'll see what happens.And then you've got the rise of AI
in like a really interestingway. Like, what's that going to look
like? So my own business isreally pivoting and morphing in a
way that like doesn't lookfamiliar to me. I'm moving into,
I think a little more groupwork. I've really had to rethink.
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You know, when I launched mybusiness in this form, it was a few
years ago and I really thoughtof it as personal branding. And now
I think that like influencershave ruined the word personal brand.
I think brands have ruined theword purpose. I think that everyone
has ruined the word authentic.And all of those words are such an
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important part of what I do.How do I take and reimagine what
those words are, what theymean to my practice, and then also
how I show up in the world. Soit's like, it's almost like me going
through my own kind of likesoul searching, like brand exercise
of what the next iteration ofthat looks like. And it's funny because
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I think a lot of it is beingdriven into a place for me of spiritual
health, I think, and, and whatthat aligns with when it comes to
your origin story, which Iknow we've talked so much about,
and bringing purpose topeople. But spiritual health, if
you're really thinking againabout those four bodies of we, corporate
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America and the world societyis so like all about physical health,
right? And we're all nowbecoming much more Comfortable talking
about mental health, emotionalhealth. We're not totally there yet
with. I think we're really,like, skirting on the surface of
what emotional health reallymeans. And it's connection to mental
health and physical health,spiritual health. I don't think anybody
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has an idea of what thatmeans. And I also think spiritual
is a weird word. It's notnecessarily religious. It's not like,
it's not mystic. It's not likeastrology. Like, what. What does
that mean? So, and then whenyou bring in this idea of, like,
connection and community andhow we all work together in that
space, this is. My mind isblown. So this is like, the space
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that I'm in right now of as amarketer and as a PR person and as
a storyteller of how do Ireimagine what all of this looks
like for me, for my clientsand for the business I want to, like,
continue to build? It's a lot.
Yeah, yeah. And it soundslike, you know, I think a lot of
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us have worked for. For theman, if you will, or the woman, mostly
the men. And we just did whatthose things were required of us.
And it sounds like now you'relike, well, first, what do I want?
What do I feel? And how can Inot be authentic? Because we're not
going to use that word. Buthow can I really feel all this so
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that it's passion forward, youknow, like, or it's. It just feels
right. Whereas a lot of peopleare just very, you know, capitalist
mind. And, like, I could sella million of these widgets over here.
I don't really care aboutthem, but I'll sell them. So it sounds
like you're kind of in thisspace of like, let me find out what
really feels right for me sothat I can offer that to people and
can kind of create that space.
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Yes. And also on a, you know,like, on a business and entrepreneurial
front, what is actually mostlike, impactful for my clients? Like,
what is. What is work for me?And then what do they need to.
Right. Yeah, but it's drivenby you.
It is driven by me. Everybodyshould like their job.
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We'll talk about that adifferent time. You know, so related
to this podcast, I know youwere, at the time when we recorded,
you were kind of doing therounds of different podcasts. Was
there anything that stood outabout our conversation that. That
you felt differently afterrecording this one, or was it just,
like, all the same? Because Iknow we've had conversations back
and forth, and I'm justcurious how that how this one differs
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in your experience.
I think your podcast is justdifferent, and it's because you are
different.
Thank you.
I think it's so much moreabout your story and its impact and
its relatability and sharingand amplifying those stories of others
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for purpose. Right. Like,versus. Versus Being brought on to
do self promotion. And as a PRperson, PR people are, like, terrible
at self promotion because ourentire jobs have been about promoting
others. So it's, like, kind ofan uncomfortable place for a lot
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of people to be. Becauseyou're like, I don't. I still don't
love talking about myself, butwhat I do love talking about is the
work that I do and the peoplethat I get to work with and the impact
that I make. So I thinkthat's. I felt very seen and heard
and, like, valued on yourpodcast. So thank you for that, because
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I think that's important.
Thank you for the kind words.And I put you on the spot so that
you would say nice things sothat I have it recorded so that if
I needed to play it back. No,I agree. And sometimes I have these
interactions with publiciststhat are pitching their clients or
whatever, and everyone'spitch. Not everyone, but a lot of
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the pitches are, you know,here's my client. Here's their one
sheet. Here are the bulletpoints that they can sell to your
audience. And here. And I'mjust like, no, like, that's not what
I want. I really do want theseto feel like two people sitting down
having a conversation that Iwish I could overhear everyone having,
and it just happens to berecorded. And then, like you said,
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the right person is hearing itat the time that they need to hear
it, you know, and so that'swhat. What drives me. And I know
it's not for everyone, and Iknow that's okay, and it doesn't
need to be for everyone. Andthat's why when I get, like, intimidated
sometimes by guests like, youknow, that have had a lot of success
in places that I haven't, andI'm like, why me? You know? But so.
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So thank you for. For justbeing willing to just be on this
podcast that's not like theother ones and not prescriptive.
And in that way, I think, too.
We always forget thatsomeone's success doesn't mean that
it's going to take away fromyours. We live in this, like, idea
that maybe it's the week thatwe're in right now. I mean, again,
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the world. The world justfeels nuts. But I feel Like, I have
so much angst and like, justanger around social media and it's
need an algorithm to like,push people to make a statement on
something or to post somethingor to feel not worthy enough because
their opinion didn't matterbecause it wasn't agreed upon. And
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I think about that a lot, thatmy success isn't really doesn't make
a difference of anybodyelse's. Right. It's just kind of
like it is what. And it's alsolike, I'm the judge of it. So it's
like, if I feel successful, ifI feel fulfilled, if I feel like
I'm making a difference, Iguess that's where I need to sit.
(21:03):
But that's, that's a humanpractice. Like, we have to like,
practice that because we'vebeen conditioned to do the opposite.
I'm learning a lot of what Iwas conditioned to do and feel and
grow through, you know, myjourney as I have these conversations.
Like, oh, yeah, that's why Ifeel the way that I do. And you know,
(21:24):
after 40 plus years, it's alot harder to break those immediately.
But I do. I have people onhere. I'm like, why me? But it's.
It's wonderful and I lovethis. In fact, you know, after your
story, I actually had you do areading for me, which I've found
fascinating, and I'm about toactually, I put on my calendar to
(21:45):
go back and listen to it againbecause I think when I was in the
moment. So, you know, whenyou're in the moment, a lot of things
happen. But even from yourepisode, another friend of mine who's
gone through a lot of journeyhas also come to you and, and done
a reading, and you've reallychanged their perspective on a lot
of things in just a few shortweeks. So I love that because you
(22:07):
chose to be on this show,these kind of things are unfolding.
And I guess this goes back toyour earlier point of, you know,
things happen in the way thatthey're supposed to at the time that
they're supposed to.
And if I impacted two people,I impacted two people. I love that
so much. Like, that thatbrings me joy, you know, that makes
me feel like I'm living my purpose.
Yeah, well, and I think youhave. And, you know, the, the podcasting
(22:29):
world is very weird. You don'thear a lot from people. There's not
a place for people to commentabout things. And so I'm sure that
we've heard or we've had a lotof impact in, in your story. And
you sharing that, did you hearfrom anyone or anybody that listened
to your particular episode?
I didn't get reached out.Like, no one emailed me. But you
know, I do have people listen,like ask like, which one should I
(22:54):
listen to? So I actuallyalways send this one because I'm
like, you should actually justlisten to the whole thing because
it's phenomenal.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah. No, so again, thank youfor giving me space to actually tell
my story.
When you are listening topodcasts in the, in the real world,
do you listen to podcasts?
Yes.
What kind of podcast are youtypically drawn towards? Like, is
(23:15):
there a genre? Are you goingto tell me that you listen to like
a Bravo podcast or something?
I. To bad dates.
Okay, okay.
It is. I've heard it brings mejust the giggles. And I feel like
my life is so heavy in termsof PR and also similar to you. Right.
Of like hearing trauma fromother people and feeling emotions
(23:37):
that are not my emotions.Sometimes I'm just like, I, I just
like need a giggle. I am superobsessed with the Sam Bankman Friedman
case. I find it to be wildlyentertaining. So there's a podcast
following that case right nowthat is just blowing my mind. And
I love, like, kind of culturalstuff. So it's funny because people
(23:59):
always ask me all the time,like, just on the self help or do
you listen to like, you know,and I, I don't, I, I, it's kind of
like news related and, andnothing spiritual normally. Because
I'm like, I don't agree withthat. When people talk about things.
Sometimes I totally do. Andsometimes I'm just like, that's an
(24:19):
interesting point of view,which I should probably do more of
because again, I find itfascinating how people resonate in
this space. But sometimes Ijust, honestly, I just need a laugh.
I am also just a really big,like, music person. So Spotify is
like the only app where I'mlike, take all my data. You. You
give me back all the thingsthat I want in return in the best
(24:40):
way possible. So, yes, here'sthe data.
So you're someone that listensto podcasts on Spotify?
I do everything on Spotify.
Wow. I can't do it. I can'tmix them. I can't mix my podcasts
and my music. I don't knowwhy. I don't know why. All right,
so whatever. But you know, I,I feel that way too. Like, I don't
(25:01):
listen to a lot of interviewpodcasts. I don't know why. Maybe
I'll feel inadequate whenthere's a really great host or something
or. But I think, you know, Igo to things that like, are more
story based or silly, like,like you kind of lean into for the
bad dates kind of thing. OrI'll watch like trash TV and people
(25:22):
are like, why are you watchingtrash tv? And I'm like, I just need
something that's an escape.
Yeah, it's easy, it's light.
Relate. I can't relate toanything that's happening, so I'm
just gonna watch it.
I tell people all the time,it's like, well, what kind of TV
do you watch? And I mean,obviously, like, you know, I love
a good, I love like the bearand stuff like that. But like, if
I'm going to sleep, I willwatch baking before I go to sleep.
(25:46):
I am a terrible baker.Terrible. I'm a good, really, really
good cook. I'm a terriblebaker. But it is like, I don't have
dreams about it. It's like,very calming. I always find people
to be like, very, like, bakersare all very like sweet and nice.
It is like the, it is acalming thing for me. So, like, you
(26:07):
never know like, what the,what the weird thing is for somebody
where they're like, huh, allright. Yeah.
No, I mean, I think it makessense and I love that there's so
many options for us now. Ilove it makes it hard as a podcaster
to be in a space with so manyother people. But I love kind of
finding out what peoplegravitate towards because, you know,
a lot of people are into truecrime. I'm also into true crime.
(26:28):
I like the puzzle of it. I'mnot into the salaciousness of the
actual crime. It's more like,how did people put those pieces together?
Because I think that'sfascinating. But you know, I love
that you, you listen to, to junk.
You kind of have to.
Yeah, it's like mind candy, ifyou will.
Exactly.
If there's someone out therethat's kind of like, like you were
(26:52):
three years ago. Like, I can'timagine telling people my, my secrets
or like coming out and tellingpeople that I have these particular
skills or I like to thinkabout things in this way. If people
are like, on that, in thatspace, but are kind of feeling compelled
to share a story or share itwith people. Do you have any recommendations
for people that like how tostep into that truth or how to like,
(27:13):
what's any, any advice youhave for them?
Yes. Start with your trustedcircle of friends.
Isn't that the hardest? I Feellike that's so hard.
Interesting. I had the exactopposite. I was not ready for strangers
(27:34):
to know my truths. I thinkfriends are. You're right. Circle
of friends is going to beaccepting no matter what you do.
So for me, that was where Istarted. I mean, and the reality
is too, is I just intuitbecause again, I'm, I'm a medium.
So I guess it's a differentsituation. But, like, I was, I intuitively
knew who I could tell, like,tell things to and who I couldn't,
(27:57):
like, who I was like, oh, I'man Akashic record reader. And some
people were like, oh, yeah,great. But I knew who not to tell
because I didn't want them tojudge me or say, you know, like.
And then you just get to apoint where you're like, well, I
pulled enough people and youjust rip the band aid off. And that's.
And it feels so free.
And it feels so free. But thattimeline is your timeline. I mean,
(28:20):
I've got some clients who,like, are like, okay, I feel super
empowered. I'm gonna, like,post my story today. And I'm like,
wow, okay. Like, it took meyears to do my, to share my truth.
So I also think you need totrust, trust yourself on your own
timeline of what that lookslike for you. Some people also don't
(28:41):
need to broadcast. Right? Wedo, because that's what we needed
in our journey. But somepeople just need to maybe tell the
family member something theyalways wanted to tell the family
member or their, you know whatI mean? Like, maybe it's just not
that big.
Get out of their head. Yeah,yeah. I, I, I am someone that I find
(29:01):
it. I just need to telleverybody all at once. And it can
be terrible. And I get a lotof people that are like, you know,
on my. Not the first, secondor third rung of friends, but they're
like there. And they're like,matt, why are you putting this on
the Internet? And, you know,valid question. Why am I doing that?
(29:24):
Why am I putting that outthere? But then I think back to,
like, you know, people hearingthese kind of stories. It's like,
there are people out there.I'm not the only one feeling this.
For so long, I felt like I wasthe only one that felt the way I
did. And then I realized I'mnot. And now by sharing that out
there, two things happen.Someone else might read it, might
feel less alone, but I also,it's out there, it's done. I don't
(29:48):
have to worry about what otherPeople think. Because now everyone
can see it.
Yeah.
You know, and there it is, youknow, and so I think you're right
about the timeline and also,like, who you tell. But secrets or
things that are like, thereare very heavy sometimes. So I think
letting it out is. Is more helpful.
Yeah.
Than keeping it in.
I agree. Good for you.
(30:10):
Well, I appreciate you. I, youknow, whatever. You don't have to
approve what I do. You know, Ithink it's. It's my own thing. And
it took a while to get here.It took a while for me to be okay
enough to be like, look, I'mhaving a really crappy day and it's
okay, you know, and it is whatit is.
But I appreciate younormalizing that behavior.
(30:34):
There's another value, Iguess, to it is that third, like,
like you said earlier, is thatwe need to normalize a lot of this.
Yeah. I mean, one of thethings I used to do with my team
is on our Monday morningmeeting, it was like, all right,
guys, one to five, how wefeeling? One being absolutely terrible
and five being like, great. Wedidn't ask anybody what was actually
(30:56):
going on, but I would thenknow how someone was going to show
up in the meeting. I'm a one.Okay, great. All right, good to know.
I'm a four. You know what Imean? Like, and it was just an emotional
check in. Emotional check in.How's everybody doing after the weekend?
Okay. Great. And then the onesit was like, okay, do you need afterwards?
I don't need to know what'sgoing on, but, like, what do you
(31:18):
need for me as a managertoday? What. What this week? Do you
need extra space? Do you needextra time for therapy? Like, what
do you need? I need this or Ijust need to be alone. I need to
be like, just heads down, worknow. Mind you, this is also when
we go into an office five daysa week and we all needed to show
up with a smile on our face.Some of that has changed for some
people. But I think that ideaof normalizing just to be like, I've
(31:44):
had a bad day, or I've got alot going on, or everyone is emotionally
burned out right now in waysthat I don't think we have ever experienced.
And I think that we have toacknowledge that other people are
feeling the same way that weare around us. And then how do we
show up in the world if that'sthe case? And I don't think everyone
(32:05):
is, like, naturally built with empathy.
No. It goes to a conversationthat I have a lot with people now,
and I'm realizing I do it toomuch is that, like, when you have.
Like when you see someone forthe first time, you're like, hey,
how are you? And I'm just soconditioned. I think a lot of us
are to just say good.
Oh, yeah.
You know, and not. And it'sfor two reasons. One, it's like,
(32:28):
do I want to go into it? Do Iwant to, like, bring down the mood
if I'm not good. But also, isthe person that I'm talking to prepared
for my real response that.
That are they ready to receive?
Right. Because then it getsmore awkward. Right. Because that
person is expecting you tosay, good. Thanks, you. You know,
(32:48):
and so I think the more we canbe real with each other, I mean,
it doesn't have to be like,the person at the grocery store or
anything like that, but, youknow, the people that are in our
circle that we trust and care,we should be feel. We should feel
free to. To let them know howwe're feeling and that maybe we don't
need anything.
Yeah.
Maybe. It's just. I'm nothaving a great day. I'm fine. Just
(33:13):
not having a great day. So I'mjust a little meh, you know? And.
And now someone knows. Nowthey know, like, your meeting thing.
You know, how to treat them.You know how to walk around them.
Yeah.
In a space that's comfortable.
Yes.
Do you find yourself sayinggood. Thank you all the time?
Especially this. Especiallythis week? Sometimes I'm good. I
try to find moments of momentsof good every day. But again, especially
(33:36):
the last couple weeks. Yeah.People ask, how are you? And I'm
like, great. And I'm like,wait, I'm actually not. Hold on a
second. I'm actually notgreat. Let me think about how I actually
want to reply to that. Andyou're right. It is just such a natural,
like, like, answer that wejust give. But you're also right
in the sense that, like,there's sometimes where it's like,
(33:56):
I don't want to, like, oh, whyare you not great? What's going on?
You're like, you are not theperson that I want to get into this
right now with. So sometimesit's just easier. But that's also
like, you know, I thinkeverybody has that little, like,
intuition within us to belike, is this somebody I want to
get into this with? Or is thissomebody I just want to say great
and move on? That's okay.That, you know, like, we all have
(34:18):
permission to do that.
I agree. I Appreciate you. I'mso happy that you're in my circle
and that we know each other.And whenever I come out to the West
Coast, I'm gonna look you up.I know it's a big state, but I'll
find you and I will make a bad way.
That sounds really bad. Don'tyou worry. No. And thank you for
having me on again. I thinkyou were doing such important work,
(34:40):
and I hope. And I always,after all of these, I always get
off the phone or the zoom orwhatever and on and go, God, I hope
I said something that washelpful, so. God, I hope I said something
that was helpful always.
I think there's somethingabout every conversation that I have.
Sometimes I don't resonatedeeply with a guest conversation,
(35:04):
but I know, based onexperience that there's something
in their story. It might noteven be the most, like, thing that
would stand out to everyoneelse, but there's something that
people connect with becausethey needed to hear it at that moment.
It's like reading a bookagain. But you're like, this time
it's amazing. And you can'tbelieve that you didn't see it the
first time kind of thing.Yeah. You know, so I know you said
(35:25):
something that will impactthese listeners. So thank you for
being you. Thank you for beinga part of this, and thank you to
the Patreon supporters forjust, like, helping me fund using
this piece of software andwhatever else I do in the future.
So, again, thank you for beinga part of this. And if you want to
hear Elizabeth's full, fullepisode, that is episode 65, so check
that out from June 6, 2023. Sothanks again.
(35:50):
Thank you.
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