May 4, 2025 • 29 mins
Becca Berkey is back to chat about her journey since her appearance on The Life Shift. We dive right into the heart of the conversation, exploring how her experiences have shaped her perspective on vulnerability and connection. Becca reflects on a pivotal moment from her childhood that introduced her to the concept of shame, and we discuss how those early experiences can influence our adult lives. There’s a lot to unpack about how sharing our stories can foster deeper connections and understanding among us. Plus, she shares some exciting life updates, including her new dual role at the university and the lessons she's learning along the way. It was a real treat to catch up with Becca and see how her journey continues to unfold.
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Hello, my friends. I justwanted to drop some special bonus
episodes into the feed thatyou probably have not heard unless
you are a part or an earlypart of the Patreon for the Life
Shift podcast. If you don'tknow, I do have a Patreon. It currently
only has two tiers. One is athree dollar a month tier just to
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support what I'm doing, helpscover production costs. And then
there's a five dollar tierwhich will get you episodes early
and just the, I guess, warmfuzzies for help out with the Life
Shift podcast. But I used tohave other tiers where people were
so generous and were offeringadditional money each month to get
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bonus episodes and possiblewinnings of T shirts and all sorts
of things. And then I realizeda couple months ago that I wasn't
able to deliver what I wantedto, especially for those of you that
were giving me the extra money.
So right now we're just kind of.
Doing the early episodes.You'll always get those. So if you
want to support the Life Shiftpodcast, please jump over to patreon.com
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forward/thelifeshiftpodpodcast and you can find that information
there. But I come on herebecause I want to share a series
of these bonus episodes that Idid early on in the Patreon journey.
There are like 20 plusepisodes in which I had bonus recordings
with previous guests. So Iwould go back and we would have a
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conversation about theexperience of sharing their story
on the Life Shift podcast.Catch up on anything. And I think
these are super important andI know most of them did not see the
light of day from outside ofthe Patreon. So I'm going to be dropping
these episodes. Whateveryou're listening to now is another
episode. So I'm going to usethe same intro for all of them. But
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here is one of the bonusepisodes with a former guest from
the Life Shift podcast. And ifyou like this, let me know because
I'm thinking of bringing someof this back and talking to previous
guests as I go into year four.So enjoy this bonus episode that
was once released on thePatreon feed.
I'm Matt Gilhooley and this isthe Life Shift candid conversations
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about the pivotal moments thathave changed lives forever. I am
here with a longtime friend,Becca. Hey, Becca.
Hey.
Thank you for coming back anddoing this episode, but thank you
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for sharing your story wayback when. That was episode 16. But
we, we just said this beforewe started recording that. We recorded
that in April of 2022. I don'tknow what years are anymore do it?
Does anyone? I admire theperson that knows and.
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And what I remember from yourstory. I mean, I guess what stuck
out the most about your storyto me, and this maybe wasn't what
you went in initially kind ofthinking this is the moment that's
gonna stand out, but that'show these stories kind of work for
me. But that moment in, Ithink maybe like first grade in which
your teacher, when you were soexcited about your shoes and your
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teacher kind of introduced theidea, not on purpose, not with any,
any kind of bad, you know, actin it, but introduce the idea of
shame into your life. And thatreally stuck out to me in your story.
But I'm wondering if anythingparticular about your story after
saying it stuck out with you,like, oh, wow, I didn't really put
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those pieces together.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's aninteresting question. I tend to be
a fairly like, self reflectiveperson. I like to journal, I like
to reflect. I like to, youknow, try to make meaning of things.
I think that anytime you havethe gift of having someone reflect
back to you what you'reworking through or even the ways
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that you're working through itor what they're hearing, I mean,
I think that for me, you know,just using that moment as an example,
like, clearly it was profoundbecause like, I remember it all these
years later, but I think Ialways just thought of it as like,
you know, that was the firsttime I realized, like, I'm poor and
maybe like that's not awesome,right? Like, I, you know, I just
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like, you know, and so I thinkI always kind of thought of it in
that way. And our conversationthat day was like, oh, well, like,
do I do that to other peopleas an educator? Do I do that? You
know, like, like all the sortsof ways. I mean, I think even in
that moment when I wasexternally processing, just like
being so mindful about theways that you can like be. And I
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say it all the time with teamsthat I manage or that I'm facilitating
or even classes or whatever.This notion of like, assume best
intentions but also attend toimpact. Like, yes, things are gonna
go better if you can like hearwhat someone says. Maybe not love
it, but like be like, but Iknow you and I love you and I trust
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you. So like, I want to assumethat you have good, good intentions.
But also I need to name theimpact that had and like, we need
to address that. Right? And soI think that it was like a moment
where I was like, oh, thesethings are converging like something
I espouse philosophically inpractice. You know, that was a moment
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that probably shaped feelingpretty strongly about that because
I feel like if people juststart, stop with, assume good intentions,
it's like it doesn't take usquite far enough because, like, even
if people have goodintentions, right, like they can
have that impact. And so Ithink it's just like a reminder of
so many of the things that wecarry with us are seeded so early
on, which isn't terrifying atall when you have like an almost
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four year old and you're like.
Oh God, what am I doing?
Everything I say could beplanting some sort of seed.
I've been talking to people alot lately on some of these episodes
about.
A book called the Body Keepsthe Score.
And it kind of makes me thinkof that in which there are these
moments that we are plantedkind of in our subconscious and our
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body's keeping track of themand they're, you know, and you're.
Oh, I didn't realize how allthe things. Because the way that
you work with your teams andyour people could very well stem
from some of thosesubconscious experiences as a child.
And so it's very interestingto have these conversations the deeper
I get into it, because I thinktoday I'm recording episode 54. And
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so, you know, there's a lot ofcommonalities of these people kind
of unwrapping some of thesemoments that kind of sat in our subconscious
for so long and we're like,oh, I didn't realize how that actually
connected to what I'm doingtoday, what I do.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Exactly. One of my favoriteparts about this show and I don't
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know if this is going to soundselfish, but one of my favorite parts
is listening to the episodewhen it comes out. Because usually,
like I said, we recorded yourepisode in April and then it didn't
release until the end of Junefor your birthday. Somehow that worked
out exactly on as it shouldhave. And I was wondering when you
listened to it, was thereanything that like stood out to you?
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Like, oh, I didn't evenrealize that I said that.
Yeah, I mean, I think that forme it was more like this, like a
more of like a meta levelreflection of like the ways we, like
almost like gatekeep the waysthat we talk about things. Right.
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It's like, okay, I feel likeI've learned over my life, like,
okay, I need to talk aboutlike the painful things in a way
that feels less painful, liketo, you know, like to go to myself
probably Mostly a self selfpreservation. Also, like, you know,
I think I've come up againstthe limits of like what the people
around me and I'm like justsensitive to as you know, someone
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who's just always been kind ofattuned to that sort of stuff, like,
oh, this is like, you know,not comfortable for this person.
And so I think for me it was,you know, it was like such a gift
just to have that opportunityto like listen back to the ways that
our conversation unfolded. Andyou know, I think there's, you know,
like, it'd be really cool. Idon't know if you've ever seen like
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a graphic scribe like do likeat a, at a meeting or a keynote talk,
like actually like draw outwhat's happening. It'd be really
interesting to do that withyour episodes because I feel like
it, you know, because you kindof see it from like this other level
and how like the little twistsand turns in the conversation kind
of take their thing. But, butmore than that, it was like again
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having this like meta levelmoment of like. Like what? Like,
you know, I said this thingthis way and I think it's fine. But
I think I was like, you know,being more diplomatic than maybe
I needed to or whatever. Andagain, I think it's a learned, you
know, we want to keep peoplecomfortable, we want to keep ourselves
comfortable. And so just thisnotion of like, you know, diplomacy
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is great, but also likevulnerability is important too. And
so I think that you know, liketoeing that line and so it was just
like. And not like a selfjudgment but just more of like a.
Oh, I kind of talked aroundthat thing versus just like naming
it. And it's like, no, somethings are just like, they are just
what they are. And you canjust kind of be like, that's not
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a not awesome thing, but we'lljust put that away, right? Like it's.
We don't need to make it athing, but I should just like name
it the not awesome thing thatit is or alternately like the awesome
thing that it is and like thatimpact in my life. So I think for
me it was more listening tothat and just having those moments
of like, how do we walk in ourown truth, right? And like this notion
of like the, the body keepsscore. And I in a lot of like my
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food work, like my foodjustice work. You know, I, I read
a lot about like generationaltrauma too and like how the things
that it like our ancestorshave experienced like live within
us as well. And so, yeah, Imean it's just interesting to see
the ways that we're, like, howcan we make the other people around
us, like, comfortable dealingwith, like, our stuff?
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Yeah.
And I think that's one of thechallenges that I have sometimes
with guests that I don't knowpersonally is that I think so many
of us, especially Americans,kind of grew up in this society in
which we had to. Or we feltthat we needed to be performative
and we needed to sound acertain way to be credible in some
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way. So I'm seeing that. Butwhat I'm also seeing more of now
in, like, 2020 plus, like,since 2020, is that people are more
willing to be a little bitmore vulnerable or, like, oh, I'm
not the only one that's gonethrough this. And, like, most of
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our lives have some sort oftrauma in them, and most of us hopefully
have learned from that trauma.And, like, and. And by doing so,
and by sharing our story,maybe someone that's currently going
through it could learn fromthat, you know, and see hope and
see, you know, all the thingswe were hiding for 30 plus years
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as, you know, individualsgrowing up in the 80s and 90s, you
know, it feels very interesting.
And. Yeah, no, that isinteresting. And I think even just
this notion of, like, evenwhen it's not like, a past trauma,
just like a currentexperience, I think we're also socialized
to, like, go through thingsalone. Right? Like, I mean, that
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is like, you know, I'm notgonna. I won't talk about capitalism,
but, you know, capitalism doesthis. Like, it's. It's really. It's
a tool to. To, like, isolateus from one another. And I think
this. Like, I was actuallyjust, like, a couple of hours ago
having a conversation with acolleague of mine who, you know,
told me she is pregnant,expecting. Yay. You know, I was.
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And she comes from a differentcultural background, and she's like,
you know, I'm talking to mymom, and she's like, wait, what?
Like, you're doing, like,you're in a room by yourself, like,
what, like, after you givebirth. Like, that is not okay. Like,
you know, like, this notion ofjust like. And I feel like I've had
these profound moments, like,you know, just using that as one
example of a time when you're,like, going through something at
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that moment where I'm, like,it is so bananas to think, like,
you know, I had a baby, andthen you're in the hospital and you're,
like, on a floor with, youknow, I mean, I'm here At a big hospital
here in Boston, like, probably30 to 50 other people going through,
like, the exact same thingyou're going through. Maybe not experiencing
it the same way, but probably,like, having some similar sorts of
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thoughts, doubts, et cetera.And yet you're isolated from one
another. Like, what a weirdconcept to think. Like, there were
people, like, literallythrough the walls, the room I was
in, and we were, you know,and. And I, like, I get why. And
I also see, like, thedetriment of that, right? Like, lack
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of kind of communal. This lackof a sense of kind of communal well
being. And what does it meanto be able to sit in our own and
other people's, like, bothpain and joy. And I think it's related
to kind of what you weretalking about, right? So it can happen
thinking about the past, butcan also happen in present moments
where, like, we are, like,literally walls are built between
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us that keep us fromconnecting, right? Which is like,
something we really need ashumans. And I think is really cool
about the project that you're.That you're doing this podcast. I
mean, I think this notion of,like, like you said, like, everybody
has their own version of thisstuff, right? Like, everyone has
a life shift. Everyone hasmaybe multiple life shifts. So many
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people likely go through themalone or just with like, the people
closest to them. It's likethere are whole groups of people
out there.
I mean, that was the originalgoal. Like, I, you know, who knows
what you're doing? Everyonecan start a podcast. Anyone can start
a podcast. There's millions ofpodcasts, right? And my original
goal was like, you know, Ifelt so alone going through my grief
process as a kid. I wanted oneperson to hear someone else's story
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and be, you know, like,inspired or feel less alone or whatever
that may be. And one of ourformer students was on the podcast
before you, Lauren, and shecame on and she talked about her
fertility journey andinfertility struggles and the things.
And she felt so alone in thatmoment. And this was really the first
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time that she had shared itpublicly. Like, and. And it could
go to, you know, thousands ofpeople, like, who knows, like, would
listen to it. But what I foundwas interesting in her sense is that
by sharing her story, it gaveher power. It gave her power back.
And she reached out to me acouple months ago and she was like,
after we recorded that, I wentto HR at my company and, and asked
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them to implement this familyplanning thing thing in the. For
all employees. And now allemployees get $20,000 towards family
planning. Whether that'sadoption, treatments, whatever that
may be. So the power oftelling your story is so. Right.
Like, awesome.
Who knows what that can do?Whether that's for you or for someone
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else. That doesn't, you know,that doesn't feel so quite, you know,
like, alone in that. Like yousaid, in that process, it could be
current, it could be past.We're all going through it, you know,
and what's interesting, whenyou said, like, we all just went
through collective trauma formultiple years, and we literally
were locked down, away fromeach other. Like, we had to separate.
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So it's like, it's veryinteresting that we were all going
through the same thing, but wehad to do it alone. And that was
like a forced scientificreason. We had to be alone, which
is really interesting.
And I think we're paying theprice of that, right? Like, on our
souls.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I see that.Like, you know, I. I mean, I feel
like just with, you know,even, like, the college students
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I'm working with, every. It'slike, people are qualitatively different.
And I think that it is likethis, like, we were. We were forced
to do. To isolate. Right. And,you know, it. That goes against our
very nature as human beings.We needed to do it. I am not like,
you know, Right. But I thinkit's the repercussions of that. Right.
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Are also a public healthissue. And so, like, how do we actually
think more holistically,right? Which, you know, so many public
health people are reallythinking about. Like, how do we think
more holistically about whatwe even mean by, you know, health
keeping each other healthy,like, being in kind of community
health spaces, so on and soforth. And so I think tending to
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all of those dimensions is. Isvitally important. And I was, like,
reading a piece today that waslike, how has voting changed because
of COVID And it's like, well,yeah, like, this many million people
died, right? And so, like,that has just even, like, a numerical
impact on, you know, and so,like, all of the reverberations of
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that are so important toattend to. And I think doing that
in community is vital. Right?And it can be listening to someone
else. It can be actuallyconnecting with them. I just think,
like, our shared humanity,right? Like, we. Once you lose touch
with your shared humanity,it's like, a lot. A lot can go wrong
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from there.
It's tough. I. I hope we getto a space where, you know, we were
so focused on physical health,or a lot of people are, and it's
just like, Holistically, weneed to think of our health and not,
you know, our mental healthaffects our physical health and,
you know, so these things areimportant. But speaking of that,
like, did. When your episodecame out, I know you shared it with
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colleagues and things likethat, did you hear from any. Any
feedback from anyone or peoplethat were like, oh, I didn't even
realize your story.
I, like, heard from people. Iwill say. Like, I. It was. It was
funny because you, like, youknow, you put things up in spaces
and you're just like, I don'tknow, like, if people. I'm like,
it's my birthday, so maybepeople are a little bit more likely
to be like. But I. I think themost. So. So I definitely, like,
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did hear from some people thatwere like, oh, you know, it was like,
I listened to this. Like, I'm,you know, I. I want to listen to
some other episodes of theshow and, you know, and whatever.
But. But the coolest thingwas, like, the people who. I would
have never expected to listento it. Like, I was in, like, a meeting
probably like a month laterwith someone who's like a. Like a
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friend, colleague, but notlike a. Like, we don't hang out or,
you know, like. But we worktogether, and I really appreciate
her and, you know, but wedon't even interact that often. And
we were in a meeting with,like, multiple other people, and
it was in zoom. And she, like,private message me, and she was like,
I just wanted to let you knowI listened to your episode, and I
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was like, what? Like, I waslike, I feel so privileged, and I
feel like I want an episodeabout you now. Like, I could listen
to it and, you know, in turn,kind of like, learn. Learn about
you and your perspective andall of that. And so I think, for
me. So it wasn't anything inparticular that she said. I think
just this notion of, like,wow, you, like, for like an hour,
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listen to me ramble on aboutthings that have happened in my life.
And I think just shows thatdesire for people to connect with
each other's humanity and whenthey have that. That opportunity
to kind of say, like, oh, thisis. You know, I want. I want to hear
what this person has to say.And I feel that way, you know, really,
about almost everyone that Iknow. Right?
Like, just, what are the layers?
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And to do it on your own time,too. Right? Like, it's like, okay,
you don't have.
To ask the hard questions.
You don't have to do a thing.Like, it's like, you know, I could
just Kind of do it. So, So Ithink that was cool. Like, that's,
that's the example that when Iwas reading the questions before,
it kind of like popped to mindof just this, like, wow, you listening
to that. That's so shocking tome. And not because, like, I don't
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love you, but like, just, wow,you took the time to do that. And
just like, what an honor thatis even. Right?
Like, that's a gift peopleinterested in your story. I, you
know, so much of your story orwhere we kind of went with it is
this idea of the mosaic,right? And the mosaic table. And
like, so I'm wondering, like,is it still a table now that we're
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almost a year from when you'verecorded or what Any life updates
that are fun and exciting thatthat have changed since?
Yeah, that's a, that's a greatquestion. I think one of the things
I was kind of talking aroundwhen we recorded last year was I
had been approached abouttaking on like a second position
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at the university that I workat. And it's like a fairly like a,
like a high profile position.So I'm overseeing the honors program.
And so a lot of students areinvolved with it. Everybody at the
university kind of has a handin it. And I had not yet take. So
if it was April, I had beenapproached, but I had not yet agreed
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to take it on. So I was like,in this, like, I don't know. And
I think, you know, even insome ways, like having the conversation,
even though it wasn't about.We weren't processing that. But I
think this notion of like, youknow, I mean, I've been working here
for almost 10 years. Like, Idon't know that this is like the
thing that I'm going to wantto do forever, but it could be an
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opportunity to develop somenew skills, to have some new challenges,
to, you know, learn newthings, get to know new people that
I wouldn't have otherwise. Andso I think that, you know, just seeing
that for, for what it is andthen for where it could go or also
being at peace with where itmight not go, I think was, was important.
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And so I did end up takingthat on, clearly. And so, you know,
I've. Since July of 2022, I'vebasically had two jobs leading two
teams, one of which I likereally built and shaped and then
the other of which Iinherited. And you know, and so that's
a different challenge, like areally interesting experience challenging
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and you know, for, for bothlike time and bandwidth reasons,
but also Just, like, thegrappling with, like, the leadership
implications of thosedifferent things, you know, so that's
been interesting. And I thinkthat what that has spurred is, you
know, just this, like, what amI doing? What am I about, like, you
know, and I feel like it's. Idon't know if it's like, an early
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40s thing, because I feel likethere are, like, multiple people
around my age that are havingthis moment of, like, you know, I
think we're about, like,halfway into, like, our work or career
lives. Maybe not quite, butwe're. You know, we still have a
road in front of us, so it'slike. But every year that passes
by, like, making that pivot,you know, becomes more complicated
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for different reasons. Right?Like, not that it's not possible.
And so I think, like, youknow, bringing up these bigger things
of, like, what is my purpose?What is my place? So I'm sitting
with that, and I think justtrying to kind of, you know, see.
See where it goes, andspending some time, you know, trying
to take. Take a day off hereand there to, like, just put my head
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around my. Myself, right? Andso I think the convergence of, like,
two jobs, being a mom to atoddler, like, transitioning. He
also transitioned from, like,a home, daycare situation near our
house, which was so wonderful,to, like, a center here on our campus.
So, like, now my kidscommuting with me and, like, you
know, so it's like, a lot ofthose sorts of eating donuts, too.
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Lots of donuts. You see that?Obviously, he loves sprinkle donut.
I have to. I have to limit himto once per week. Hey, you know,
because otherwise every day,which is fine. Like, that's totally
cool. But just, like, theyprobably don't want me sending him
popped up on sugar, like,every day to school. But, yeah, so.
So all of those things havechanged. But I think that I. I had
this. I don't know. We'll seeif it bears out. I feel like I've
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said it enough times now thatit probably won't. But, like, I feel
like I've recognized thispattern at least over the last few
years of my life, that the,like, even numbered years are when,
like, big upheaval and, like,transitions have happened. So, like,
in 2018, I found out I waspregnant. Like, in 2020. Like, my
mom died. And then Covidstarted, and, like, everything this
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last year in 2022, I, like,took on their job and, you know,
and all of the requisitethings that come along with that.
But then the Odd numberedyears have been kind of like. Like
where that change kind ofmanifests into what it's going to
be. And so I like it. Iprobably jinxed it because I've said
it enough times now, but I'mhoping, like, let 2023 be the year,
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the odd numbered year of,like, let's manifest whatever that
change is going to result inover the course of this year.
I. I mean, I think you'reright about the 40s. I think so many
of us are finally. Well,you're a little bit different. I
feel like you've always hadelements of this, but I think a lot
of people in their 40s arefinally feeling like it's okay to
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lean into a purpose, to leaninto something that matters to them
and not what we wereconditioned, you know, to feel like
we had to do growing up. Ithink a lot of us are like that.
I think, like I said, I thinkyou're a little bit like, you've
always had a feeling ofreflection. Like you said, you journal
and you do all these things.
Really expected much of me, so.
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I didn't say that. So. But forme, I just always felt like you always
had an idea of what served youmost and that was what you were going
to do and kind of move into,whereas I don't. I think it took
me a lot longer to get to thatpoint of like, okay, who cares what
I'm supposed to do? Whoeversaid that, whatever that list looked
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like, who cares about that,let me lean into the things that
matter to me that I care aboutand. And just, you know, do what's
required of me elsewhere, butspend more time doing the things
I want to do. So, you know, ininterest of time for you, I know
you got busy, two jobs and allthis other stuff. I'm wondering if
there's someone that's, youknow, interested in maybe sharing
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their story, but they're alittle apprehensive to do so. Is
there any advice you couldgive to someone that. That might
want to share it with a friendor with me on the show? Is there
any advice you could give tosomeone that's kind of on the fence
about sharing? Maybe somethingthat's more vulnerable?
Yeah, I mean, I think myadvice is, like, do it. Like, if.
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If it's like something thatyou're on the fence about or you're
thinking about, like, thedesire is there already. Right. And
so even if that challenge orthat hurdle feels really big, I think
doing it anyway is, you know,like that again. I mean, I think
going Back to what we weresaying earlier, like, that's. I truly
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believe, like, that's howwe're gonna build or rebuild our
shared humanity. And I thinkthat both having that opportunity,
you know, in. In one's ownpractice, to reflect, to think, to
have it recorded forposterity's sake and, like, listen
back, I think those are reallyprofound questions, you know, and
I would probably noticedifferent things now if I went back
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and listened to the episode.Right. And. And, you know, I mean,
I think that that is, like,that's a true gift. But I think,
you know, putting it, puttingit out there, like, I. I think it's
like, I tend to do this thingand I. I've seen it, like, in shows
and stuff before too, so Idon't think it's like, unique. I'm
not like, inventing somethinghere. I'm not trying to colonize
somebody else's idea. But, youknow, I mean, I think this idea of
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like, like, worst casescenario, like, what's the worst
that could happen? And, like,know that, like, 99.9%, like, that's
not gonna happen. And like,even if that's the worst that could
happen, like, that's not gonnahappen. So I think just putting those
things out there, you. Younever know who it's gonna connect
you to, how it's gonna connectthem, which one of your colleagues
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is gonna take the time tolisten to that, maybe have a different
perspective on you. You know,I mean, I think it's. It's always
worth the, you know, it'sabout cultivating our connections
to one another.
I've Recently, I think 2022taught me this. Someone yelled at
me once, and so I started it.But instead of what's the worst that
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could happen is what's thebest that can happen from it? And
trying to lean into thatquestion more, I mean, naturally,
I always go to, like, worst case.
I like it, though. I like it.
Try it. It's reallyinteresting. But anyway, thank you
for coming back and havinganother conversation with me. I think
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this was really cool. We, youknow, veered a little from the questions,
but I think we got somevaluable stuff that I think our.
The listeners will enjoy andkind of connect with. So thank you
for just being you and forbeing willing to do this again with
me.
Well, back at you. And I hopethat we'll get the chance to connect
and catch up again soon, or atleast I guess, eight months from
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now, or however long it's beensince we talked last time.
Yeah, well, when I decide thatI might come up to New England and
visit my family.
You know you're waiting for you.
I know I haven't been back inyears, but anyway, thank you for
listening Patreon people, andwe'll see you on the next bonus episode.
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Hello, my friends. I justwanted to drop some special bonus
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So right now we're just kind of.
Doing the early episodes.You'll always get those. So if you
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there. But I come on herebecause I want to share a series
of these bonus episodes that Idid early on in the Patreon journey.
There are like 20 plusepisodes in which I had bonus recordings
with previous guests. So Iwould go back and we would have a
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conversation about theexperience of sharing their story
on the Life Shift podcast.Catch up on anything. And I think
these are super important andI know most of them did not see the
light of day from outside ofthe Patreon. So I'm going to be dropping
these episodes. Whateveryou're listening to now is another
episode. So I'm going to usethe same intro for all of them. But
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here is one of the bonusepisodes with a former guest from
the Life Shift podcast. And ifyou like this, let me know because
I'm thinking of bringing someof this back and talking to previous
guests as I go into year four.So enjoy this bonus episode that
was once released on thePatreon feed.
I'm Matt Gilhooley and this isthe Life Shift candid conversations
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about the pivotal moments thathave changed lives forever. I am
here with a longtime friend,Becca. Hey, Becca.
Hey.
Thank you for coming back anddoing this episode, but thank you
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for sharing your story wayback when. That was episode 16. But
we, we just said this beforewe started recording that. We recorded
that in April of 2022. I don'tknow what years are anymore do it?
Does anyone? I admire theperson that knows and.
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And what I remember from yourstory. I mean, I guess what stuck
out the most about your storyto me, and this maybe wasn't what
you went in initially kind ofthinking this is the moment that's
gonna stand out, but that'show these stories kind of work for
me. But that moment in, Ithink maybe like first grade in which
your teacher, when you were soexcited about your shoes and your
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teacher kind of introduced theidea, not on purpose, not with any,
any kind of bad, you know, actin it, but introduce the idea of
shame into your life. And thatreally stuck out to me in your story.
But I'm wondering if anythingparticular about your story after
saying it stuck out with you,like, oh, wow, I didn't really put
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those pieces together.
Yeah, yeah, no, that's aninteresting question. I tend to be
a fairly like, self reflectiveperson. I like to journal, I like
to reflect. I like to, youknow, try to make meaning of things.
I think that anytime you havethe gift of having someone reflect
back to you what you'reworking through or even the ways
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that you're working through itor what they're hearing, I mean,
I think that for me, you know,just using that moment as an example,
like, clearly it was profoundbecause like, I remember it all these
years later, but I think Ialways just thought of it as like,
you know, that was the firsttime I realized, like, I'm poor and
maybe like that's not awesome,right? Like, I, you know, I just
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like, you know, and so I thinkI always kind of thought of it in
that way. And our conversationthat day was like, oh, well, like,
do I do that to other peopleas an educator? Do I do that? You
know, like, like all the sortsof ways. I mean, I think even in
that moment when I wasexternally processing, just like
being so mindful about theways that you can like be. And I
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say it all the time with teamsthat I manage or that I'm facilitating
or even classes or whatever.This notion of like, assume best
intentions but also attend toimpact. Like, yes, things are gonna
go better if you can like hearwhat someone says. Maybe not love
it, but like be like, but Iknow you and I love you and I trust
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you. So like, I want to assumethat you have good, good intentions.
But also I need to name theimpact that had and like, we need
to address that. Right? And soI think that it was like a moment
where I was like, oh, thesethings are converging like something
I espouse philosophically inpractice. You know, that was a moment
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that probably shaped feelingpretty strongly about that because
I feel like if people juststart, stop with, assume good intentions,
it's like it doesn't take usquite far enough because, like, even
if people have goodintentions, right, like they can
have that impact. And so Ithink it's just like a reminder of
so many of the things that wecarry with us are seeded so early
on, which isn't terrifying atall when you have like an almost
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four year old and you're like.
Oh God, what am I doing?
Everything I say could beplanting some sort of seed.
I've been talking to people alot lately on some of these episodes
about.
A book called the Body Keepsthe Score.
And it kind of makes me thinkof that in which there are these
moments that we are plantedkind of in our subconscious and our
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body's keeping track of themand they're, you know, and you're.
Oh, I didn't realize how allthe things. Because the way that
you work with your teams andyour people could very well stem
from some of thosesubconscious experiences as a child.
And so it's very interestingto have these conversations the deeper
I get into it, because I thinktoday I'm recording episode 54. And
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so, you know, there's a lot ofcommonalities of these people kind
of unwrapping some of thesemoments that kind of sat in our subconscious
for so long and we're like,oh, I didn't realize how that actually
connected to what I'm doingtoday, what I do.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Exactly. One of my favoriteparts about this show and I don't
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know if this is going to soundselfish, but one of my favorite parts
is listening to the episodewhen it comes out. Because usually,
like I said, we recorded yourepisode in April and then it didn't
release until the end of Junefor your birthday. Somehow that worked
out exactly on as it shouldhave. And I was wondering when you
listened to it, was thereanything that like stood out to you?
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Like, oh, I didn't evenrealize that I said that.
Yeah, I mean, I think that forme it was more like this, like a
more of like a meta levelreflection of like the ways we, like
almost like gatekeep the waysthat we talk about things. Right.
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It's like, okay, I feel likeI've learned over my life, like,
okay, I need to talk aboutlike the painful things in a way
that feels less painful, liketo, you know, like to go to myself
probably Mostly a self selfpreservation. Also, like, you know,
I think I've come up againstthe limits of like what the people
around me and I'm like justsensitive to as you know, someone
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who's just always been kind ofattuned to that sort of stuff, like,
oh, this is like, you know,not comfortable for this person.
And so I think for me it was,you know, it was like such a gift
just to have that opportunityto like listen back to the ways that
our conversation unfolded. Andyou know, I think there's, you know,
like, it'd be really cool. Idon't know if you've ever seen like
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a graphic scribe like do likeat a, at a meeting or a keynote talk,
like actually like draw outwhat's happening. It'd be really
interesting to do that withyour episodes because I feel like
it, you know, because you kindof see it from like this other level
and how like the little twistsand turns in the conversation kind
of take their thing. But, butmore than that, it was like again
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having this like meta levelmoment of like. Like what? Like,
you know, I said this thingthis way and I think it's fine. But
I think I was like, you know,being more diplomatic than maybe
I needed to or whatever. Andagain, I think it's a learned, you
know, we want to keep peoplecomfortable, we want to keep ourselves
comfortable. And so just thisnotion of like, you know, diplomacy
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is great, but also likevulnerability is important too. And
so I think that you know, liketoeing that line and so it was just
like. And not like a selfjudgment but just more of like a.
Oh, I kind of talked aroundthat thing versus just like naming
it. And it's like, no, somethings are just like, they are just
what they are. And you canjust kind of be like, that's not
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a not awesome thing, but we'lljust put that away, right? Like it's.
We don't need to make it athing, but I should just like name
it the not awesome thing thatit is or alternately like the awesome
thing that it is and like thatimpact in my life. So I think for
me it was more listening tothat and just having those moments
of like, how do we walk in ourown truth, right? And like this notion
of like the, the body keepsscore. And I in a lot of like my
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food work, like my foodjustice work. You know, I, I read
a lot about like generationaltrauma too and like how the things
that it like our ancestorshave experienced like live within
us as well. And so, yeah, Imean it's just interesting to see
the ways that we're, like, howcan we make the other people around
us, like, comfortable dealingwith, like, our stuff?
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Yeah.
And I think that's one of thechallenges that I have sometimes
with guests that I don't knowpersonally is that I think so many
of us, especially Americans,kind of grew up in this society in
which we had to. Or we feltthat we needed to be performative
and we needed to sound acertain way to be credible in some
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way. So I'm seeing that. Butwhat I'm also seeing more of now
in, like, 2020 plus, like,since 2020, is that people are more
willing to be a little bitmore vulnerable or, like, oh, I'm
not the only one that's gonethrough this. And, like, most of
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our lives have some sort oftrauma in them, and most of us hopefully
have learned from that trauma.And, like, and. And by doing so,
and by sharing our story,maybe someone that's currently going
through it could learn fromthat, you know, and see hope and
see, you know, all the thingswe were hiding for 30 plus years
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as, you know, individualsgrowing up in the 80s and 90s, you
know, it feels very interesting.
And. Yeah, no, that isinteresting. And I think even just
this notion of, like, evenwhen it's not like, a past trauma,
just like a currentexperience, I think we're also socialized
to, like, go through thingsalone. Right? Like, I mean, that
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is like, you know, I'm notgonna. I won't talk about capitalism,
but, you know, capitalism doesthis. Like, it's. It's really. It's
a tool to. To, like, isolateus from one another. And I think
this. Like, I was actuallyjust, like, a couple of hours ago
having a conversation with acolleague of mine who, you know,
told me she is pregnant,expecting. Yay. You know, I was.
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And she comes from a differentcultural background, and she's like,
you know, I'm talking to mymom, and she's like, wait, what?
Like, you're doing, like,you're in a room by yourself, like,
what, like, after you givebirth. Like, that is not okay. Like,
you know, like, this notion ofjust like. And I feel like I've had
these profound moments, like,you know, just using that as one
example of a time when you're,like, going through something at
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that moment where I'm, like,it is so bananas to think, like,
you know, I had a baby, andthen you're in the hospital and you're,
like, on a floor with, youknow, I mean, I'm here At a big hospital
here in Boston, like, probably30 to 50 other people going through,
like, the exact same thingyou're going through. Maybe not experiencing
it the same way, but probably,like, having some similar sorts of
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thoughts, doubts, et cetera.And yet you're isolated from one
another. Like, what a weirdconcept to think. Like, there were
people, like, literallythrough the walls, the room I was
in, and we were, you know,and. And I, like, I get why. And
I also see, like, thedetriment of that, right? Like, lack
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of kind of communal. This lackof a sense of kind of communal well
being. And what does it meanto be able to sit in our own and
other people's, like, bothpain and joy. And I think it's related
to kind of what you weretalking about, right? So it can happen
thinking about the past, butcan also happen in present moments
where, like, we are, like,literally walls are built between
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us that keep us fromconnecting, right? Which is like,
something we really need ashumans. And I think is really cool
about the project that you're.That you're doing this podcast. I
mean, I think this notion of,like, like you said, like, everybody
has their own version of thisstuff, right? Like, everyone has
a life shift. Everyone hasmaybe multiple life shifts. So many
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people likely go through themalone or just with like, the people
closest to them. It's likethere are whole groups of people
out there.
I mean, that was the originalgoal. Like, I, you know, who knows
what you're doing? Everyonecan start a podcast. Anyone can start
a podcast. There's millions ofpodcasts, right? And my original
goal was like, you know, Ifelt so alone going through my grief
process as a kid. I wanted oneperson to hear someone else's story
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and be, you know, like,inspired or feel less alone or whatever
that may be. And one of ourformer students was on the podcast
before you, Lauren, and shecame on and she talked about her
fertility journey andinfertility struggles and the things.
And she felt so alone in thatmoment. And this was really the first
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time that she had shared itpublicly. Like, and. And it could
go to, you know, thousands ofpeople, like, who knows, like, would
listen to it. But what I foundwas interesting in her sense is that
by sharing her story, it gaveher power. It gave her power back.
And she reached out to me acouple months ago and she was like,
after we recorded that, I wentto HR at my company and, and asked
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them to implement this familyplanning thing thing in the. For
all employees. And now allemployees get $20,000 towards family
planning. Whether that'sadoption, treatments, whatever that
may be. So the power oftelling your story is so. Right.
Like, awesome.
Who knows what that can do?Whether that's for you or for someone
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else. That doesn't, you know,that doesn't feel so quite, you know,
like, alone in that. Like yousaid, in that process, it could be
current, it could be past.We're all going through it, you know,
and what's interesting, whenyou said, like, we all just went
through collective trauma formultiple years, and we literally
were locked down, away fromeach other. Like, we had to separate.
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So it's like, it's veryinteresting that we were all going
through the same thing, but wehad to do it alone. And that was
like a forced scientificreason. We had to be alone, which
is really interesting.
And I think we're paying theprice of that, right? Like, on our
souls.
Yeah.
You know, I mean, I see that.Like, you know, I. I mean, I feel
like just with, you know,even, like, the college students
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I'm working with, every. It'slike, people are qualitatively different.
And I think that it is likethis, like, we were. We were forced
to do. To isolate. Right. And,you know, it. That goes against our
very nature as human beings.We needed to do it. I am not like,
you know, Right. But I thinkit's the repercussions of that. Right.
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Are also a public healthissue. And so, like, how do we actually
think more holistically,right? Which, you know, so many public
health people are reallythinking about. Like, how do we think
more holistically about whatwe even mean by, you know, health
keeping each other healthy,like, being in kind of community
health spaces, so on and soforth. And so I think tending to
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all of those dimensions is. Isvitally important. And I was, like,
reading a piece today that waslike, how has voting changed because
of COVID And it's like, well,yeah, like, this many million people
died, right? And so, like,that has just even, like, a numerical
impact on, you know, and so,like, all of the reverberations of
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that are so important toattend to. And I think doing that
in community is vital. Right?And it can be listening to someone
else. It can be actuallyconnecting with them. I just think,
like, our shared humanity,right? Like, we. Once you lose touch
with your shared humanity,it's like, a lot. A lot can go wrong
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from there.
It's tough. I. I hope we getto a space where, you know, we were
so focused on physical health,or a lot of people are, and it's
just like, Holistically, weneed to think of our health and not,
you know, our mental healthaffects our physical health and,
you know, so these things areimportant. But speaking of that,
like, did. When your episodecame out, I know you shared it with
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colleagues and things likethat, did you hear from any. Any
feedback from anyone or peoplethat were like, oh, I didn't even
realize your story.
I, like, heard from people. Iwill say. Like, I. It was. It was
funny because you, like, youknow, you put things up in spaces
and you're just like, I don'tknow, like, if people. I'm like,
it's my birthday, so maybepeople are a little bit more likely
to be like. But I. I think themost. So. So I definitely, like,
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did hear from some people thatwere like, oh, you know, it was like,
I listened to this. Like, I'm,you know, I. I want to listen to
some other episodes of theshow and, you know, and whatever.
But. But the coolest thingwas, like, the people who. I would
have never expected to listento it. Like, I was in, like, a meeting
probably like a month laterwith someone who's like a. Like a
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friend, colleague, but notlike a. Like, we don't hang out or,
you know, like. But we worktogether, and I really appreciate
her and, you know, but wedon't even interact that often. And
we were in a meeting with,like, multiple other people, and
it was in zoom. And she, like,private message me, and she was like,
I just wanted to let you knowI listened to your episode, and I
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was like, what? Like, I waslike, I feel so privileged, and I
feel like I want an episodeabout you now. Like, I could listen
to it and, you know, in turn,kind of like, learn. Learn about
you and your perspective andall of that. And so I think, for
me. So it wasn't anything inparticular that she said. I think
just this notion of, like,wow, you, like, for like an hour,
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listen to me ramble on aboutthings that have happened in my life.
And I think just shows thatdesire for people to connect with
each other's humanity and whenthey have that. That opportunity
to kind of say, like, oh, thisis. You know, I want. I want to hear
what this person has to say.And I feel that way, you know, really,
about almost everyone that Iknow. Right?
Like, just, what are the layers?
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And to do it on your own time,too. Right? Like, it's like, okay,
you don't have.
To ask the hard questions.
You don't have to do a thing.Like, it's like, you know, I could
just Kind of do it. So, So Ithink that was cool. Like, that's,
that's the example that when Iwas reading the questions before,
it kind of like popped to mindof just this, like, wow, you listening
to that. That's so shocking tome. And not because, like, I don't
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love you, but like, just, wow,you took the time to do that. And
just like, what an honor thatis even. Right?
Like, that's a gift peopleinterested in your story. I, you
know, so much of your story orwhere we kind of went with it is
this idea of the mosaic,right? And the mosaic table. And
like, so I'm wondering, like,is it still a table now that we're
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almost a year from when you'verecorded or what Any life updates
that are fun and exciting thatthat have changed since?
Yeah, that's a, that's a greatquestion. I think one of the things
I was kind of talking aroundwhen we recorded last year was I
had been approached abouttaking on like a second position
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at the university that I workat. And it's like a fairly like a,
like a high profile position.So I'm overseeing the honors program.
And so a lot of students areinvolved with it. Everybody at the
university kind of has a handin it. And I had not yet take. So
if it was April, I had beenapproached, but I had not yet agreed
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to take it on. So I was like,in this, like, I don't know. And
I think, you know, even insome ways, like having the conversation,
even though it wasn't about.We weren't processing that. But I
think this notion of like, youknow, I mean, I've been working here
for almost 10 years. Like, Idon't know that this is like the
thing that I'm going to wantto do forever, but it could be an
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opportunity to develop somenew skills, to have some new challenges,
to, you know, learn newthings, get to know new people that
I wouldn't have otherwise. Andso I think that, you know, just seeing
that for, for what it is andthen for where it could go or also
being at peace with where itmight not go, I think was, was important.
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And so I did end up takingthat on, clearly. And so, you know,
I've. Since July of 2022, I'vebasically had two jobs leading two
teams, one of which I likereally built and shaped and then
the other of which Iinherited. And you know, and so that's
a different challenge, like areally interesting experience challenging
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and you know, for, for bothlike time and bandwidth reasons,
but also Just, like, thegrappling with, like, the leadership
implications of thosedifferent things, you know, so that's
been interesting. And I thinkthat what that has spurred is, you
know, just this, like, what amI doing? What am I about, like, you
know, and I feel like it's. Idon't know if it's like, an early
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40s thing, because I feel likethere are, like, multiple people
around my age that are havingthis moment of, like, you know, I
think we're about, like,halfway into, like, our work or career
lives. Maybe not quite, butwe're. You know, we still have a
road in front of us, so it'slike. But every year that passes
by, like, making that pivot,you know, becomes more complicated
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for different reasons. Right?Like, not that it's not possible.
And so I think, like, youknow, bringing up these bigger things
of, like, what is my purpose?What is my place? So I'm sitting
with that, and I think justtrying to kind of, you know, see.
See where it goes, andspending some time, you know, trying
to take. Take a day off hereand there to, like, just put my head
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around my. Myself, right? Andso I think the convergence of, like,
two jobs, being a mom to atoddler, like, transitioning. He
also transitioned from, like,a home, daycare situation near our
house, which was so wonderful,to, like, a center here on our campus.
So, like, now my kidscommuting with me and, like, you
know, so it's like, a lot ofthose sorts of eating donuts, too.
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Lots of donuts. You see that?Obviously, he loves sprinkle donut.
I have to. I have to limit himto once per week. Hey, you know,
because otherwise every day,which is fine. Like, that's totally
cool. But just, like, theyprobably don't want me sending him
popped up on sugar, like,every day to school. But, yeah, so.
So all of those things havechanged. But I think that I. I had
this. I don't know. We'll seeif it bears out. I feel like I've
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said it enough times now thatit probably won't. But, like, I feel
like I've recognized thispattern at least over the last few
years of my life, that the,like, even numbered years are when,
like, big upheaval and, like,transitions have happened. So, like,
in 2018, I found out I waspregnant. Like, in 2020. Like, my
mom died. And then Covidstarted, and, like, everything this
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last year in 2022, I, like,took on their job and, you know,
and all of the requisitethings that come along with that.
But then the Odd numberedyears have been kind of like. Like
where that change kind ofmanifests into what it's going to
be. And so I like it. Iprobably jinxed it because I've said
it enough times now, but I'mhoping, like, let 2023 be the year,
(24:45):
the odd numbered year of,like, let's manifest whatever that
change is going to result inover the course of this year.
I. I mean, I think you'reright about the 40s. I think so many
of us are finally. Well,you're a little bit different. I
feel like you've always hadelements of this, but I think a lot
of people in their 40s arefinally feeling like it's okay to
(25:08):
lean into a purpose, to leaninto something that matters to them
and not what we wereconditioned, you know, to feel like
we had to do growing up. Ithink a lot of us are like that.
I think, like I said, I thinkyou're a little bit like, you've
always had a feeling ofreflection. Like you said, you journal
and you do all these things.
Really expected much of me, so.
(25:32):
I didn't say that. So. But forme, I just always felt like you always
had an idea of what served youmost and that was what you were going
to do and kind of move into,whereas I don't. I think it took
me a lot longer to get to thatpoint of like, okay, who cares what
I'm supposed to do? Whoeversaid that, whatever that list looked
(25:54):
like, who cares about that,let me lean into the things that
matter to me that I care aboutand. And just, you know, do what's
required of me elsewhere, butspend more time doing the things
I want to do. So, you know, ininterest of time for you, I know
you got busy, two jobs and allthis other stuff. I'm wondering if
there's someone that's, youknow, interested in maybe sharing
(26:18):
their story, but they're alittle apprehensive to do so. Is
there any advice you couldgive to someone that. That might
want to share it with a friendor with me on the show? Is there
any advice you could give tosomeone that's kind of on the fence
about sharing? Maybe somethingthat's more vulnerable?
Yeah, I mean, I think myadvice is, like, do it. Like, if.
(26:42):
If it's like something thatyou're on the fence about or you're
thinking about, like, thedesire is there already. Right. And
so even if that challenge orthat hurdle feels really big, I think
doing it anyway is, you know,like that again. I mean, I think
going Back to what we weresaying earlier, like, that's. I truly
(27:03):
believe, like, that's howwe're gonna build or rebuild our
shared humanity. And I thinkthat both having that opportunity,
you know, in. In one's ownpractice, to reflect, to think, to
have it recorded forposterity's sake and, like, listen
back, I think those are reallyprofound questions, you know, and
I would probably noticedifferent things now if I went back
(27:24):
and listened to the episode.Right. And. And, you know, I mean,
I think that that is, like,that's a true gift. But I think,
you know, putting it, puttingit out there, like, I. I think it's
like, I tend to do this thingand I. I've seen it, like, in shows
and stuff before too, so Idon't think it's like, unique. I'm
not like, inventing somethinghere. I'm not trying to colonize
somebody else's idea. But, youknow, I mean, I think this idea of
(27:45):
like, like, worst casescenario, like, what's the worst
that could happen? And, like,know that, like, 99.9%, like, that's
not gonna happen. And like,even if that's the worst that could
happen, like, that's not gonnahappen. So I think just putting those
things out there, you. Younever know who it's gonna connect
you to, how it's gonna connectthem, which one of your colleagues
(28:05):
is gonna take the time tolisten to that, maybe have a different
perspective on you. You know,I mean, I think it's. It's always
worth the, you know, it'sabout cultivating our connections
to one another.
I've Recently, I think 2022taught me this. Someone yelled at
me once, and so I started it.But instead of what's the worst that
(28:27):
could happen is what's thebest that can happen from it? And
trying to lean into thatquestion more, I mean, naturally,
I always go to, like, worst case.
I like it, though. I like it.
Try it. It's reallyinteresting. But anyway, thank you
for coming back and havinganother conversation with me. I think
(28:47):
this was really cool. We, youknow, veered a little from the questions,
but I think we got somevaluable stuff that I think our.
The listeners will enjoy andkind of connect with. So thank you
for just being you and forbeing willing to do this again with
me.
Well, back at you. And I hopethat we'll get the chance to connect
and catch up again soon, or atleast I guess, eight months from
(29:07):
now, or however long it's beensince we talked last time.
Yeah, well, when I decide thatI might come up to New England and
visit my family.
You know you're waiting for you.
I know I haven't been back inyears, but anyway, thank you for
listening Patreon people, andwe'll see you on the next bonus episode.
(29:35):
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