June 24, 2025 • 53 mins
On paper, Kasi was living the dream.
Successful career. Beautiful family. Doing all the “right” things.
But underneath?
She was drowning. Numb. Disconnected from joy.
Moving through life on autopilot, wondering why everything felt so... hollow.
In this powerful episode, Kasi shares the moment everything began to shift—when she asked the question that changed her life:
👉 “What do I really want?”
This is a story of radical reinvention. Of finally facing the truth that gratitude can become self-gaslighting… and looking perfect doesn’t mean you feel alive.
Together we talk about:
💥 The inner breakdown behind her outer success
💥 The fear of letting go of being “the bigger person”
💥 Why boundaries aren’t mean—they’re sacred
💥 Starting her podcast and answering her soul’s call
💥 Her powerful work helping young adults explore careers with passion, not pressure
💥 How messy action creates clarity—and reinvention is always possible
If you’ve ever put yourself last, silenced your inner voice because life looked good, or wondered what it would feel like to finally choose YOU—this episode will meet you exactly where you are.
Because it’s never too late to become who you were always meant to be.
Listen in. Then ask yourself… What do you really want?
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What if your life was an invitation and everything wasn't
just happening to you, but through you?
When you start to believe in themagic of you, you become it.
This is your invitation to heal and rise above into the fullest
expression of you. This is the Liz Swaddock.
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Show and your transformation starts now.
Let's begin. Welcome back to the Liz Swatuck
Show. This is a podcast where warrior
women rise and where legacies are claimed.
So welcome and reinvention is the name of my game.
Everybody knows that I am your host, Liz Swatuck.
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And today's episode is one of those conversations that will
leave you changed. So get on board.
Get on board. My guest today is someone I have
had the absolute privilege of witnessing transform.
And she's transformed from the inside out.
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That's what's amazing about her.Cassie is a former corporate
powerhouse who, after years of climbing the corporate ladder,
checking the boxes, and living the way she was supposed to, she
decided to pause, to breathe, and to ask the question that
changes everything. What do I really want?
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And I hope you leave at that question today.
What do I really want? And through her journey in
Limitless and the Wise Woman Collective, Cassie did more than
just reflect. She rose, she reconnected with
her soul's purpose, she launchedher dream business, and now she
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is the founder of Your Soulful Career Calling a movement a
podcast and a message that everywoman and every child, every
young young adult needs to hear.Anyone who's been living for
everyone but themselves. In this episode, we're going to
talk about what really, what it really takes to walk away and
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feel safe in a life that you really want to create the life
to step into the life that's truly yours.
Cassie's story is about bravery,alignment, healing, and
reminding us that it's never toolate to become who you really
are and who you are really meantto be.
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So pour your coffee, grab your journal, get ready to get
inspired. We're going to dive in.
Welcome to the show. Cassie Well, thank you, Liz.
You know, it's my absolute honorto be here with you.
So thanks for inviting me. Absolutely.
Well. This is a conversation a long
time in the making because Cassie and I have these
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conversations all the time. Conversations all the time.
We're just going to let you in on this one.
And I really want you to hear her story because Cassie's story
is so inspiring because she is really following something that
is in her soul, something that really she's so convicted in.
So. But let's back up.
So before limitless, before wisewomen collected, before we
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started working together, what did life feel like?
You're, I just want you to go back.
What did life feel like for you?And when did you realize that
something really had to change? So the way I kind of described
that time of my life for you andI, you know, connected on a
deeper level and you decide to start working together, I
describe it as drowning. It's kind of like the little
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ducks that their feet are going.You know, you look super calm on
the surface. Everything looks like, you know,
put together. Nobody would know.
But I was so feverishly, you know, just spinning my little
legs underneath. And quite honestly, I didn't
even feel like I was above water.
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I was under everything felt justso much more challenging than it
needed to be. I'd lost my ability to find real
joy. Everything felt very obligatory
and I didn't. I didn't want to live that way.
That's not who I am on my core. Anybody that knows me well would
would certainly not describe me that way, but it's the way I
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felt. Things were were kind of numb
and I was going through the motions and everything on paper
should have, you know, to anyoneelse, it's like, yes, living the
dream, living it well. And it's not that I'm not
appreciative of of where I was at in my life.
It just I didn't feel alive. I didn't feel alive and what I
was doing. And was there a moment where you
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were like, I, this has to changebecause I first of all, I think,
I don't think I hear one story more than it.
Look, why am I having this feeling like I have everything?
I have a husband, I have a nice house, I have kids, I have, I
should be grateful. Like we get in this great
gratitude loop, right? And we, we just kind of gaslight
ourselves and try and ignore thesoul calling and say, no, girl,
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just be grateful for what you have.
You're lucky, right? Like stop this, you know, and
then no one would even believe. Like you have a beautiful
family, you're a gorgeous woman,you have a job, you're what,
what could be the matter, right?And, and meanwhile there's all
these women walking around feeling the exact same way.
So what was the moment that you were like, no, I'm going to,
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this has to change. Like I'm this, I'm going to take
the action. I'm not just going to feel this.
I'm going to take the action. Part of it was really based on
all the things I've done before to try to pull myself out.
They just, they were no longer working, you know, whether it be
that you try to, you know, kind of short fix, short term, kind
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of reinvent yourself. The normal connections that I
had with people that I would rely on were just they weren't
getting to me to where I needed to be.
And ultimately, honestly, it wasme taking a look and saying the
people I love most are sufferingbecause I'm not my best and they
deserve better than that. And now I realize as well, I
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certainly deserved better than that.
I had put myself last. And when we think that that's
what we do is as a wife and a mother and as an employee.
But none of those people were getting the best of me.
They were getting just enough because I was just surviving and
I knew they deserved more. And now I also know that I
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deserve more. Yeah, that's amazing because I
always say, you know, if you're going to do this work and you
and you don't want to do it because you think it's selfish,
I always say, OK, well then do it for do it for your kids, do
it for your husband, do it for your sister, do it for your
mother, because the ripple effect is huge.
It's not really just like you'redoing the work.
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It's like when you're waking up and you're excited about your
life and you love where it's going and you're like, Oh my
gosh, this is so cool. Your kids, your husband, your
friends are all like, oh, well, shit.
I want to feel alive. I want to do things right.
It's it that ripple effect is soincredible.
And you have such a big circle of deep women who are so
wonderful. And I recently went to your
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birthday and I watched them celebrate your 50th and just
seeing who you were to these women, let me know how important
it is for you to be doing what you're doing because you are
such a light for them. You always have been.
And so they want you to be this person.
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They need you to be this person.So my God, ladies, if not for
you, for all the people that love you and we're watching your
kids, your daughter, you know, they're watching, right?
So I'm so glad you mentioned that because that's that's so
true. So you've been through this.
I mean, you've been through a massive transformation, a
massive transformation. And so funny because people see
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you and say you look great and all this stuff, but they have no
idea that the massive transformation is the internal,
right? Like it's like, oh, what you're
seeing. You may think I've like lost a
little weight or I look a littlemore rested.
No, girl, you're what you're seeing is the internal
transformation that I've gone through.
So what was the most surprising or unexpected part of becoming
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the woman you are now? Well, I'll say even from a, you
know, the way you were just, youwere describing me and thank you
for your graciousness in that way and being so generous.
But I kind of describe it as though my light, my internal
light had turned off. Like you say, like, oh, like, I
feel like you were able to witness that I can be a light
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for those people around me. And you know, it was there was
the twinkle in my eye was was gone.
The light had been turned off. It was dimmed.
And honestly, it had to kind of be turned back on internally
before I could then embrace and be my full self again.
Lit up a bright, joyful, excited, you know, it's hard to
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say if there was 1 moment because honestly, this, this
type of work, it takes revisiting a lot of things kind
of negative beliefs you have about yourself, you know,
thought loops that we continue to have in our head that keep us
in a stuck space. But one thing that really does
stand out was work that we did at the A Wonderful retreat
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together, where the concept of having to always be the bigger
person really came into play. And I realized that me living in
that space of always having to say I have to be the bigger
person, that I was denying so much of my own feelings and my
own needs. And that's where that, that's
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where I start. I started to get lost over the
years. It's OK to care about other
people and care about them well,which I do know.
I, I, I love loving others very well.
But because I was had adopted for so long, that mindset of I
should be the bigger person or their needs matter more that all
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the while I've been shrinking and shrinking and disappearing
and then was just finally lost. I mean, you do it gradually over
time, sitting as when we if we don't always know that we're
doing it. We think we're just giving and
providing and loving others. Well, well, for not thinking,
you know, what does this mean for me?
We get totally lost over time. You know, it's just, it's a
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slow, it's a slow process, sadly.
But then you finally wake up andyou're like, who am I?
Where am I in this process? Because I have only been putting
everybody else above me. Yeah.
And I think that bigger person concept, I think is something
we've been told to believe, right.
Girls especially, you know, you're supposed to be a good
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girl and be nice and all that stuff.
And I think, you know, we have moments in our lives where
people come into our lives who are, you know, crossing our
boundaries, who are doing things.
And we are over here feeling like, OK, I'll just keep being
the bigger person. Sometimes it's like actually,
no, actually this person doesn'teven deserve your time and your
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energy and your focus. All these other people who are
loving you and loving every wordand want to support and love
you. And then we get really focused
on the one or two or three that are not really wishing us well
that are in some other story of their own making.
But it's coming off to you as maybe they're betraying or
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whatever they are doing. But in that scenario, I don't
think anybody needs to be the bigger person.
I think in that scenario, sometimes we have to say, no,
this is not about me being the bigger person.
I cannot ignore my boundaries, ignore my desires and and ignore
my feelings, frankly, where I don't feel safe with this person
just so I can be the bigger person.
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So tell me about that because I think that is common.
I think women, even in these friendships, sometimes we will,
we will like violate our own boundaries, our own emotional
needs just to say, well, I'm going to be the bigger person.
Seems like everyone else likes her and I don't want to make a
problem. Right Like and then and then we
end up sacrificing ourselves. Yeah, I think boundaries is
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something that can get, you know, kind of a bad rap
depending on how you approach it.
And I think, you know, for a long time in my life, I thought
boundaries were very restrictive, off putting.
But now I've really learned they're, they're very healthy.
You know, it's not only healthy for yourself, but healthy for
the, the other people in your life.
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They kind of know what to expectas well.
They also know what you will andwon't kind of put up with.
And that that's a healthy thing.Even coming with, you know, my,
my faith is a big part of my life.
And even from like a faith filled perspective, boundaries
are healthy. I mean, God even tells us like,
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you know, choose wisely, love, love fully, but choose wisely
what you're letting into your life and who you're giving all
of yourself to because those influence can really impact us.
So the boundaries part and really embracing that, that is a
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healthy thing to do for yourselfand for other relationships.
I think it's really key for women.
You know, the sooner you learn that, the better.
I mean, it's something that I hope my daughter doesn't take
her to get to 50 to learn that. And it's it's not unkind.
It's actually, I think you see, you said recently, you know, and
in a group that clarity is, it is kindness, boundaries is, is
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be it's not being unkind by having a boundary.
And you can do it with kindness,but owning that for yourself and
knowing yourself well. And what?
Well, what I'm going to accept, and what I'm not willing to
accept is the clarity we all need.
Absolutely, and that's so true. We were talking about that in
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wise women. We were talking about how clear
is kind. You know, if someone asks me to
lunch and I'm like, oh, let me check my calendar that I don't
answer the text for two more days.
Oh, hey, following up, are we having lunch?
Meanwhile, I don't want to have lunch.
I don't I can't too busy or I don't want to have lunch with
this person versus if I just said, I'm so sorry.
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I'm in a part of my life right now.
Right now I'm just so I'm, I'm really bogged down.
I'm not really doing lunches right now.
Just whatever you want to say toclose the door, be clear and
kind versus this woman feeling terrible, reaching out to me all
the time, wanting to see me and I'm just constantly dodging and
weaving right? And we think we're being kind by
doing that. But if you when I tell this,
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it's like bullshit. That is not kind.
Actually, that is, you know, making her feel all a bunch of
things like me avoiding and all this stuff.
She's reading that right. So you're right clear as kind.
And I think the more clear we are, and I know it's scary
sometimes to be like, no and notsay something 10 things after
it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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I'm not available for that. It's like, you know, you have to
get used to being safe with boundaries, right?
Just feeling like I am allowed and safe.
And that's how I show how much Ilove myself and I love other
people is by showing where my boundary is.
It's funny you said that exact phrase was on the tip of my
tongue. Is is I was listening to and it
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can be as simple as that. Yeah.
Thank you. I'm not available for that at
this time. Yeah.
And Miami, remember my mom growing up teaching me the
phrase of you don't owe anybody an explanation.
You know, we think we have to over explain.
And your choice is your choice. If you know yourself well.
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I mean, you don't. You don't owe anybody an
explanation. So I think that being able to
embrace those things is really freeing and very healthy.
Yeah, and you have to practice it to make it feel more free and
healthy, right? Like you can't.
It's not a one and done. It's like, I got to do it a
couple times. I got to get used to saying
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these, this phrase, you know, and then you start feeling like,
OK, yes, I can do it. But really, no is a complete
sentence. And it's OK to say no.
So tell me, tell everyone about your new business and your
podcast, your soulful career calling.
I'm so excited about all of this.
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So what inspired all of this andwho is it?
For so the inspiration came from2 pain points in my life.
The 1st is really looking back at a time in my life.
I mean I, I've joked for a long period of, of my adult life
saying I still don't know what Iwant to be when I grow up.
But the truth of that is that there were pain points of me
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feeling #1 again, I should be really happy.
You know, I, I've had a great career in a professional world,
but there was a lack of genuine connection and fulfillment.
I knew there was something more I was meant to do, but the pain
points really come from, I can so distinctly remember being 17,
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going off to college, picking a major kind of haphazardly and
being terrified because I, I hadno idea.
I mean, I'm like, OK, this is what I'm supposed to do, but
just the anxiety of, OK, I don'tknow what this is going to look
like. You know, what is the, what are
the next steps? And even even scarier is I
remember graduating and now I had this degree in psychology,
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which I, I loved, but I had no idea what to do next.
And it, I was frozen, I was paralyzed with the fear and
anxiety. So I remember that feeling so
well and wishing that I had moreinsight, I'd done more
introspective work, that I had somebody come alongside me and
say, well, let's get, let's really dig into this then.
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What are the things you love about that?
Where could you take this? You know, where things you like
don't like? So that's the first pain point.
The second is honestly just watching what I describe as the
ridiculous amount of pressure that young adults are under
right now. They are expected and I don't
know why they have it all figured out by 1516 years old
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what you want to pursue. And then you're, you need to
know what major you're going to do at that point, because that's
going to dictate sometimes the coursework that you take.
Even in high school, it used to be the college, you had a little
bit more room to be exploratory and figure that out.
And that seems to have really been stripped away.
And then these kids are startingdown these paths because
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something sounds right or somebody told them this is what
they're good at. And then they're just in in the
race and they're lost. And I was so I'm so sad for
them. I mean, watching, you know, I
have my own teenage kids and I, there's so many others that I
love in my life. I'm like, this is not right.
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We're doing this wrong. We are not coming alongside them
and embracing them and saying, let's figure out what lights you
up. Let's go back to the things that
you loved as a kid. What are the things you can get
lost in? And then you can start, you
know, really narrowing down based on themselves, not the
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outside world, not the pressures, not the shoulds.
And so it was those two pain points that I was like, I want
to have an impact in this space.I want it to look differently
for any kid that I can touch, any adults.
And they're still adults that, you know, come to me that are
going through kind of reimagining that a different
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next chapter, different chapter in their life.
And I want them to feel what that feel is to feel really
connected to something. I know this is what I'm, I'm
meant to do where I can make an impact.
So that is where this was birthed from.
And I'm loving it. I'm, I'm loving, I am loving the
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own joy that I get out of it because I'm getting to see these
kids light up. I, they start to talk and
express themselves and they're engaged and they start to see
things within themselves that have been lost.
It's been lost because of the pressure, because of all the
have to check the box and performance measures.
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And I, I, I, I just love seeing them light up and then getting
them excited about their future rather than anxious or of
wanting to avoid it. So it's really become something
that, and I'm doing coaching, you know, one-on-one, I'm doing
group coaching. I'm also launching this podcast,
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Your Soulful Career Calling. And that came from our
conversations. And really, what do I want this
to be about? I want this podcast to be for
anybody to come on. I don't care if you're 7 years
old or you're 70 years old and you've, you know, you're curious
about what a neurosurgeon does. It sounds cool.
You know, we haven't always titles in this world.
But what does that person reallydo?
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That's this much of of the storyI want to uncover.
The bigger story I want to uncover is OK, what made that
person want to go into this lineof work?
What connect what, what are theyconnected to from their
childhood that shows up now? What lights them up?
You know, what's the day in the life look like?
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But I want to get to the underbelly of it all.
What advice would they give to their younger self?
I really want it to be about connection.
I want people to be inspired andI want us to stop doing this
race with the heaviness of thesejust that just is really
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burdening all of us right now. Again, doesn't matter what age
you are. I see people that are just
burdened within their careers. I want people to break free from
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show notes. You know, these kids are so
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burdened. They're, I mean, just even going
through the process with Landon,watching how he was supposed to
have every single thing figured out.
Because if you don't, well, what's your major?
You don't want to go in undeclared.
Well, then what school are you applying to?
Because you don't even know whatyou're studying.
What are you doing? And it just every, all those
conversations were so big. I'm like, my God, I didn't know
what the hell I was doing when Iwas in high school.
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Like I was just over here like taking a math class like it's
everything so serious and sportsis the same way.
It's like nobody can just play basketball because they enjoy
it. No, you have to be at AD one
team. You can't even play unless
you've been recruited. Like I I just I'm so sick of the
lack of exploration, frankly, that these kids get to have.
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And what's so exciting about Career Quest and what you do is
you have a whole way you do that, right?
You have a whole journey that you take these young adults,
these teens, adults, whoever through where they get to
actually think about it in a different way.
It's there isn't the pressure. You're just over there
exploring. And when you did this process
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with Landon, I was like, who, who is he talking to?
He's over there chatting Cassie's head.
I was like, what is happening? And we I had known some things
about Landon, but wow, you really uncovered such specific
detail. Like not just that he likes
politics. What is it about politics?
What is it about that? Oh, well.
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And you kept digging and diggingin a good way.
And for all of us that are listening to this, that are
going well, shit, I, I'd like tohave that conversation with my
kid, but he won't talk to me. Guess what?
He won't talk to me, but he talks to Cassie.
When Cassie is doing it, he suddenly is telling her all the
things I'm over here. Like, what?
Wait, what did he say? What?
So that's the miracle too, is that when you do this work, they
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really open up because there is no pressure.
It's not their parents, it's nottheir teacher, it's not their
guidance counselor asking this question, right?
They're not, they're not being asked this question in a way
that has pressure behind it. They're being asked in
curiosity. And so they're exploring and
figuring out and they're and you're taking them into these
details and they're learning andthen you give them all these
things to do. So I think it's so genius what
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you do, but tell me also, so youalso been going into schools.
Tell me about that. So when you go into a school, so
when you work with a kid one-on-one or a workshop, you
know, you take them through thatkind of exploration journey.
It's also about leadership and so many other things like
developing networking skills. My God.
And you teach them so many things.
When Lana and I have been talking about networking ever
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since that conversation, we havebeen going so deep on this
networking thing. I was so glad you introduced
that concept of like how important that really is to him.
But what do you do when you go to schools?
How does that work with you whenyou go into schools?
So we have a career exposures program and what we do is we go
into schools and ideally what wetry to do is really look into
the school community itself, find parents, that of the kids
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at the community that have some really interesting jobs, maybe a
little bit outside the box and maybe something that a kid
hasn't yet been introduced to. It might be a doctor, but you
know, it's, it's beyond that. So you might be somebody who
works with AI medicine or, you know, some of these kind of new
emerging types of jobs. But, but the goal is really
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going into the community first, identifying parents or could be,
you know, staff or alumni, but within that community that are
willing to be panelists. And we really go into exploring
the networking, the role that networking plays.
It's we want to expose them to alot of different types of jobs.
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I shouldn't say a lot. It's usually about 5 panelists,
but I have gone back to schools,you know, repeatedly and kind of
bringing new people in. But exposing them is one thing.
Getting to kind of think outsidethe box of, oh, I didn't know
there were jobs like that that existed.
Really getting them to talk about, you know, tell me about
the subjects you loved in school.
How are those showing up now until you, the teachers love
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that they're, you know, math teachers are like, yes, you
know, yes, science, yes. They love that.
They're seeing the connections and it's interesting to see
things that you wouldn't think would maybe connect how they
show up in these adult careers. We talked about the power of
networking, which you and I werejust Speaking of that that is
critical. The people in their life that I
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want kids to be curious and be inquisitive, give themself
permission when they're sitting with some of their parents
friends that have come over for dinner has to know what they do
well, why do you like that? What made you choose that?
You know, what type of decisionsdid you have to make that were
kind of hard to get there? What is the future of this job
look like? So we really talk, we explore
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that from a an element of being really inquisitive and curious
and just wonder because then youcreate the world of what's
possible. There's so many things that are
possible out there and it's really fun.
We've had school say we haven't had kids ask so many questions
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and in Q&A, because at the end we try to end with a few Q&A and
there are hands going up left and right.
They are curious, they're excited, they just connected
with somebody. They're like, I didn't know that
existed. So that's another part.
It's all about exposure and getting kids to realize there's
a big, big, exciting world out there of careers.
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You do not have to start funneling this down and figuring
it out at 141516 years old. Let's expose yourself.
Let's get curious, let's research, and then knowing
yourself really well, knowing the world that's out there, then
you can start bridging the two together.
Yeah, and I think this is, this really speaks to how many
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people, me included, you included, where we just got into
any job. We were like, I guess I'll just
take this job. There was no exploration.
We weren't like, what do I, whatreally lights me up?
No, we were just like taking anyjob.
And you have some statistic now about how many careers, these
kids, these new generation, Whatwas that?
What was that statistic you toldme?
I can't remember. Kids these days in their
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lifetime will have 9 different careers 9.
I mean that, yeah. So then what do you do?
Like because that to me is overwhelming.
When I hear that, I'm like, Oh my God, Cassie, like my kids
going to have nine different careers.
What do you do? Like what's the conversation
then if they know they could have maybe have 9 careers?
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It usually goes one of two ways.The first is overwhelm and they
kind of respond with a why in the world would anybody want 9
jobs? And you know, I could quickly
remind them, well, this is they probably didn't do the work that
you and I are doing to really understand themselves in a deep
way. The second response is cool.
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That's, you know, kind of they're thinking like, oh, I
could do so many different things, but the anxiety still
steps in because the next question, they follow up with
this, what a where do I start? Yes, what now?
And so to really break free and unburden them from from that
anxiety that both of those answers kind of give, I simply
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asked them, what do you want to do first?
What are you curious about? First?
You don't have to have the next 50 years figured out.
You don't have have to know whatyou want to major in right now.
What are you curious about? What are you excited about?
Let's let's just start there first.
This is a journey and it is not completely linear.
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You and I know that, that you know, and, and the work that I
do is not promising any parent or any child that they're going
to figure it all out. You know, with you several
sessions with me and they have their life figured out.
That is not the goal. The goal is, what do you want to
do first? And let's give you the skill set
to ask the right questions, to be inquisitive, to network, to
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research, to just educate yourself and explore the world
of possibilities. Yeah.
And taking that pressure off. Totally.
And not just do the thing you just think you should do or your
friends doing or your parents want you to do or right.
And to make the same mistakes a lot of us have made where you
just kind of doing the thing because you're doing it.
I don't know. My dad was a lawyer.
I guess I'll be 1. And then you talk to them.
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They're like, you know what? I really wish I hadn't done
this. Like it's so interesting.
And I think you're helping people avoid that and really
helping kids start to think about like, no, what is actually
my natural talents and gifts? Like everybody's has natural
talents and gifts. If we all were in our unique
purpose and our natural talents and gifts, what a world.
What a world. So I think, you know, I think
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it's a genius what you have. And of course, we will be
putting your soulful career calling your new podcast into
the show notes so people can hopover there.
And I'm hoping you'll have me onyour podcast because, you know,
I want to go. You're lined up.
OK good. Yeah, let's talk about this
because it's we're, we're, it's it's all fine to be like Cassie
launched this business. It's so great.
Everyone, everybody knows that releasing the corporate thing
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and going into entrepreneurship that is not that is not a little
easy thing to do. So what fears, what stories did
you have to let go of to finallystart living a life not only for
everyone else, but also to let yourself do this thing you want
to do? Couple things come up 1 is, you
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know, I've worked in a space andbuilt a career that then became,
it felt so safe and predictable and that felt really good,
right? And our, our bodies, our minds
want to keep us safe. So I've learned that from you
that that fear kind of, you know, place tricks on us because
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it'll creep up and say, Oh, no, no, no, no, don't stretch
yourself because you're safe. So I've had to really change the
dialogue around how do I want toapproach fear?
And, and that's an ongoing, I mean, I'm not going to lie, that
is an ongoing kind of nuts, I guess the ongoing challenge, but
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it's work you have to do constantly.
You have to, it has become a conscious practice of seeing,
I'm not, not going to let fear stop me and say I'm safe.
Don't stretch yourself. Things are good.
Don't rock the boat. In fact, if fear doesn't show
up, I would say you're not doinganything that you want to do
because it really is going. It's anytime we're entering a
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zone of doing something new and unfamiliar, our minds and bodies
are like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, back it down Queen, and
it will, your mind will feed youall the things.
So you're 100% right. It is a, it's not a one and
done. It's a practice 100%.
Yeah. So that is one of the the first
things. What were?
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The fears, oh gosh, I mean they,they still creep up.
You won't succeed. Who do you think you are?
A. 100% I feel like we could make ACD of this.
It's like a playlist. The Who do you think you are
Song? The what is everyone else going
to think? Song, right?
Yeah, who? Yeah, everything.
It's a lot of the it's just a lot of judgment, whether it's
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really perceived and it's self judgment and it's the perceived
judgment that you think you might have of others.
And I've really just had to continue to relinquish that and
say this the success and by the way, I mean your measure, you
know, the way we measure successchanges to I mean, success
doesn't always in the same thing.
It tell kids that coach. It doesn't have to be a dollar
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amount. Sure.
That may follow in time. The success for me is being in a
space that I'm like, I feel alive.
I know I'm making an impact. I'm doing something that's
lasting and it's important. So your definition of success,
you know, can change too. There was another point.
So go back to that question. I want to make sure I'm
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answering it. Fully stories did you have to
let go of to finally start living the life fleet life for
you, not everyone else. So the other thing that it came
up when you mentioned that is welaughed.
But you were so good and still are so good about you said, you
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know, Cassie, you want to have your backpack, you know, the
pair, not backpack, the parachute completely packed.
You know it's going to be safe before you.
I want to know like how high is the plane going before I'm going
to jump, You know, where's the landing pad?
And you were like, girl, just jump.
You got what you need. That parachute's going to open,
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you're going to land. And I think some of those that
belief is, is knowing I've got this.
Yeah. I've got this and maybe you
don't have to have A through Z figured out.
You got ABCD, you're good, let'sgo.
The rest is going to follow. I know I've got it within me and
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you knew I had it within me. But sometimes you do just have
to take the jump. And I use a very, very simple
mindset technique with my kids when I'm coaching them too.
And it's a very simple 3 letter word that I try to use in my
vernacular and I want them to start using.
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And that's the word yet. And rather than keep putting
ourselves in these limiting mindsets of I'm not good at this
or I'm not ready for this, when you end whatever that sentence
is with the word yet, it becomesexpansive.
It becomes possible. It becomes you're living in a
world that's so much more free. And you're like, I can do this.
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I don't have to have it all figured out yet, knowing that
you'll get there so. NPS, you're never going to have
it all figured out. So just fun fact, I'm still
waiting. When am I going to have this all
figured out? It's never happening.
There is a whole, I believe in messy action, you know, and I
know that's not comfortable for a lot of women because we really
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do like to check all our boxes. So I'm going to do this and this
and this and this and this and this and have all these
certifications and have all of this lined up.
And the truth is life is not like that.
Like there's going to be, even if you have all that stuff,
there's going to be so many unknowns that happen.
I mean, you can't predict every single thing that's going to
happen. So you're better off having some
things in place, but then saying, girl, I'm jumping
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because you don't know till you get there.
What if you don't even like it? What do you launch the business
that you think you like? And then you have a couple
clients. You're like, Oh my God, this
isn't it, right? You don't know, right?
Oh, you have to take the action so you can get the data, right?
You can't get the data by thinking about it.
You can't think of the data by checking box off and doing your
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To Do List. There's no data in there, but
the action brings the data. Right, like, and it's exact same
thing Liz with kids figuring outtheir careers.
You know, I say to to parents like your kids purpose, it's
it's not going to magically appear to them.
It is in purposeful action and in the doing that they're going
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to figure that out. And so all of that is data
gathering. You know, we do that in the
coaching too. It's like we got it.
We got to dig deep. Like let's figure out what does
this job really look like? You know, you think you're
interested, well, let's dig in. You know, let's do informational
interview, let's do the research, let's do some
shadowdazer internships. Do you like it?
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Great, do not. OK, next.
Right. What do you?
Want to do next? We started with what do you want
to do first? OK, what do you want to do next?
It's that easy. Take that pressure off of them.
But it is so much of it as data gathering.
Don't let the fear of having to have it all figured out.
Whether you're a kid trying to figure out your career or your
person trying to launch in your business, you just got it.
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You got to go for it. Yeah, got to go for it, Got to
go for it. So what would you say to the
woman who is stuck? Because you were that woman,
right? You were stuck.
You were like, Oh my God. First the stuckness was more
emotional stuckness and just just a general stuckness.
But then it became like, wait, Iactually really wanted to
something different. I really feel like there's more
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for me, right? So what would you say to the
woman who is stuck and silently wondering if it's too late to
reinvent herself or follow her calling?
1st I want to say to that personwho may be listening that I feel
you. I feel I could get emotional
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talking about it, but I feel that angst and that sadness and
the heaviness that you feel likeis this it And oh but I should
be happy but no, is this it? I feel you.
And no, it's not it. You can reinvent yourself over
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and over again. And, and, and honestly, it's the
most exciting, wonderful thing. You want to be a person who
continues to grow and thrive. So two things I would say #1 is
give yourself permission to invest in yourself.
We do so much investing into other people and loving others
and that is a great thing to give yourself the permission to
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say I matter too, and there are small ways and big ways you can
invest in yourself. Give yourself permission to
start doing that. Yeah.
The second is find your community.
Find a community of people you know, you tell my kids, you
know, you are who you hang with.You know, whatever we surround
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ourselves with really kind of infiltrates our thoughts and our
actions and take a look around. Doesn't mean you have to like,
you know, drop all the people inyour life.
There's probably people in your life that honestly feel the same
way and would and would love nothing more.
But to like, you know, grab armsand say, let's dig in and grow
together to find your people that are of the same mindset of
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saying, I want to grow, I want to heal and I want to rediscover
how to to live bigger and brighter again.
So give yourself permission and find your people that want to do
the same thing. I love that.
And I, when you said it's funny,when you said invest in yourself
in big and big and small ways, Ialways want to say to people,
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but invest in yourself in a way you maybe haven't before.
Some of us in the past, like I've paid for vacations, Cassie.
I'm like, you know what? I deserve a vacation.
OK, fine. I can get on board with a
vacation. It's almost like that's spending
that's allowed right now. Anybody came to a retreat?
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And it wasn't just a retreat where we were going to like sit
out by a pool. It was a really deep reflective
retreat. I'm like, I don't know.
And it's like, I really questioned like, you know, And
then when I started investing myself in kind of the right ways
and the things that were really deep, I started noticing such
changes and then I didn't even care.
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Then I was like, what is that $10,000 for that certification,
$20,000 for that certification? I'm feeling a hell yes in my
body. That is a hell yes for me.
And now I don't care. Now I will, I will spend any
amount of money on my growth expansion and just sheer fucking
joy. I will do that, but it took me a
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while to get there. And so I feel like you got to
kind of go baby steps, but also don't invest in your ways that
you've always done. Like if you've always done the
therapy, do not stop, not don't stop therapy necessarily, but do
something different. Hire a coach or oh, I've always
had a business coach. OK, we'll try a personal coach.
Maybe you right or I've always done coach.
Try hypnotherapy, rapid transformational therapy.
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Try a different modality becausesometimes you just need to
unstick yourself and go into a different zone when you're
investing and that community thing is huge.
You and I know to this Wise Women Collective, the group that
you're in, that is a gold level group of women, that incredible
heart in and to watch the way you all support each other, to
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watch the way you all hold spacefor each other.
You guys go further and faster. You build huge things.
I mean, everybody in that group is building things and doing
things and transforming in the most incredible and truly fast
ways because they know they havethat support, You know, they're
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safe, right? Anything in that room, and we
do. And I think that's been powerful
for you, especially to have thatsuper safe space where it
doesn't matter what you say, they're like, we've got you.
That's been truly transformativefor you because you are the
person, Cassie, for so many people.
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That makes me emotional. Cassie, you are that person for
so many people. And just last night I watched
these people say, I'm your sister.
This is your sisterhood here. I'm your sister because you
said, oh, I've always wanted a sister.
And they were like, what about us?
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I mean, they were so cute. They all were like, I want to be
your sister. And I thought, my God, what a
group for you, for you to have because you are that thing.
You are that person. You are that beacon for so many
people. Thank you for saying that.
And you know, I am blessed. I, I do have that in, you know,
many women in my life. I think I, you know, we would go
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back to the beginning of this conversation.
There was a point in my life where I had just become feeling
a little beat up and I was just,I was, I was numb that those
even those relationships, it just didn't feel as truly
connected. I I honestly, because I think
I'd pushed it away and from hurtand that has I've been able to
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see an abundance with a group that loves big that pours in.
There's no competition. It is like cheering from the
rooftops for each other about that's what we need.
And that has been critical for me.
And, and honestly, it's opened me back up to saying I know I
have that. I have been, you know, luckily I
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have that in this group, but I have it outside this group too.
And I can, I can, I can, I can lean into that again because I,
because I believe it again. Yeah, you can trust it again.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's so true because that expansion let you to expand out
of the group and say, OK, I'm going to let people in, It's OK,
I'm safe, right? Yeah.
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So now that you've done all thisinner work, and I know it's a
journey and where there's still always more work to do inner
work, but now that you've done the inner work and are helping
other find other people find their purpose, what does that?
Because I love the term of legacy.
Yeah. What does living a legacy mean
to you now that you've kind of been on this journey?
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Legacy. Well, it's funny, I've said
there's a couple things that I want written on my tombstone
someday when I'm gone. The first is that she loved
others. Well, whether it be my personal
or professional life, I'll get emotional.
I want my legacy to be that I loved others.
Well. And I know and I know I do.
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And that's not and I am I. It's OK to say that.
And that is not being braggadocious or obnoxious like
I love loving and other people. Well, so when it comes to, I
guess more specifically what my focus is right now from my own
launching pad of this business, I want people to know that you
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really can find connection. You can find where your own
impact is going to be in this world, that doing the work
upfront be in the middle of yourlife, but doing the work, the
necessary work to uncover who you really are and what you're
connected to can break such deepfulfillment.
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And I want people to embrace that approach in their career
and in their life of being introspective, of finding
connection, because that's goingto have this incredible ripple
effect of the other people that they come in contact with.
Absolutely. And you are that ripple effect.
I keep. You know, Cassie's many times
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told me, Oh my God, I think of the teacher that I wanted to,
you know, I went back and I talked to the teacher.
I said, Oh my God, Cassie, that's going to be you.
You're going to have these womenand men and young adults who
come back and say, Oh my God, Cassie, if you didn't do that
with me, I would have never eventhought I could be the job that
I love, that I'm. I wouldn't even have thought I
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could have this career. I wouldn't even have known that
that was what my soul was calling out for.
I thought it was this and it wasn't that.
And you helped me figure that out.
And Oh my God, people are going to come back, can tell you that.
And you're just going to be like, Oh my God, like thinking
of all the people that need you and that you're going to change
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their whole experience, their college experience, their career
experience, You're going to change it all for them.
You know, And I love this because this is the way we
should be thinking about our career paths, not just like, OK,
I guess I'll do this. And like, it's random and like,
well, just try that major. There should be intentionality.
There should be, it should be about your heart's desire.
It should be about your impact and your legacy, right?
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It should be that journey because that's the fulfilling
journey. That is the sole calling.
Well said I'm. Going to come on your podcast
and say that yes, you are. I didn't know where I was going
for a minute and all of a suddenI ended up exactly where I
wanted to. I learned.
It. Thank you so much, Cassie.
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This has been such an amazing conversation.
I'm so thrilled for you as your friend, as your coach, as all
the things, but I am. I can't even believe all the
things you're doing because listen.
You. You are.
Doing all the work. I'm over here guiding,
supporting, but you're actually doing the action, You're doing
the hard work, you're doing the transforming.
And so I just want to just celebrate you because you are.
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I mean, my God, from where we started, could you even have
predicted? Nope, this is where we would be.
No, and, and honestly, Liz, I'll, I'll say this over and
over again, but thank you. You also love others well, and
you have a gift. What did I call you?
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What was that sign I gave you? Hold on, let me hold it up
because I have a right difference maker.
A difference maker. And I think if there's more
difference makers in this world that can see things than other
people that they may not see themselves like you did for me
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and that I believe I'm doing within others now, that's the
only legacy that that we really need.
So thank you. I could, I could not have said
it better myself. I love that.
I love that. OK, well, everyone, if you have
ever felt like you were living alife that looked good on the
outside, good on paper, but it didn't feel good on the inside,
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if you feel like you are living someone else's life, Cassie's
story is proof. It's proof to you that you're
not alone and more importantly, you're not actually stuck.
You're not stuck, right? This is the beginning.
This is the beginning of that yellow brick road that you get
to go down and explore. So this conversation is a
reminder that reinvention doesn't have an age limit,
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right, Cassie? It doesn't.
That legacy is not built in a moment.
It's built in the courageous, everyday little little actions,
messy actions. And going forward, that soul LED
choices are something we make every day.
It's not a one and done. And Cassie is literally walking
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proof that when you pause long enough to just hear that inner
voice and you trust it, you can build something extraordinary.
So don't forget to follow and support Cassie.
I'm going to put all her information up.
Our beautiful new podcast, your soulful career calling.
I want to make sure because thisis just the beginning.
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You got to get on board early with Cassie.
This is just the beginning. Catch her before she really
orbits into the sky and you, shewas going to be so busy, she
might not even be able to call you.
So catch her now. Get on that podcast.
Go explore what she's doing withyoung adults, with women, with
men. She's changing lives.
And until next time, remember, you are not too late, you are
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not too old, and your future is still unwritten.
So let's write it. Thank you, everybody.
Bye.
What if your life was an invitation and everything wasn't
just happening to you, but through you?
When you start to believe in themagic of you, you become it.
This is your invitation to heal and rise above into the fullest
expression of you. This is the Liz Swaddock.
(00:25):
Show and your transformation starts now.
Let's begin. Welcome back to the Liz Swatuck
Show. This is a podcast where warrior
women rise and where legacies are claimed.
So welcome and reinvention is the name of my game.
Everybody knows that I am your host, Liz Swatuck.
(00:47):
And today's episode is one of those conversations that will
leave you changed. So get on board.
Get on board. My guest today is someone I have
had the absolute privilege of witnessing transform.
And she's transformed from the inside out.
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That's what's amazing about her.Cassie is a former corporate
powerhouse who, after years of climbing the corporate ladder,
checking the boxes, and living the way she was supposed to, she
decided to pause, to breathe, and to ask the question that
changes everything. What do I really want?
(01:32):
And I hope you leave at that question today.
What do I really want? And through her journey in
Limitless and the Wise Woman Collective, Cassie did more than
just reflect. She rose, she reconnected with
her soul's purpose, she launchedher dream business, and now she
(01:52):
is the founder of Your Soulful Career Calling a movement a
podcast and a message that everywoman and every child, every
young young adult needs to hear.Anyone who's been living for
everyone but themselves. In this episode, we're going to
talk about what really, what it really takes to walk away and
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feel safe in a life that you really want to create the life
to step into the life that's truly yours.
Cassie's story is about bravery,alignment, healing, and
reminding us that it's never toolate to become who you really
are and who you are really meantto be.
(02:37):
So pour your coffee, grab your journal, get ready to get
inspired. We're going to dive in.
Welcome to the show. Cassie Well, thank you, Liz.
You know, it's my absolute honorto be here with you.
So thanks for inviting me. Absolutely.
Well. This is a conversation a long
time in the making because Cassie and I have these
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conversations all the time. Conversations all the time.
We're just going to let you in on this one.
And I really want you to hear her story because Cassie's story
is so inspiring because she is really following something that
is in her soul, something that really she's so convicted in.
So. But let's back up.
So before limitless, before wisewomen collected, before we
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started working together, what did life feel like?
You're, I just want you to go back.
What did life feel like for you?And when did you realize that
something really had to change? So the way I kind of described
that time of my life for you andI, you know, connected on a
deeper level and you decide to start working together, I
describe it as drowning. It's kind of like the little
(03:44):
ducks that their feet are going.You know, you look super calm on
the surface. Everything looks like, you know,
put together. Nobody would know.
But I was so feverishly, you know, just spinning my little
legs underneath. And quite honestly, I didn't
even feel like I was above water.
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I was under everything felt justso much more challenging than it
needed to be. I'd lost my ability to find real
joy. Everything felt very obligatory
and I didn't. I didn't want to live that way.
That's not who I am on my core. Anybody that knows me well would
would certainly not describe me that way, but it's the way I
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felt. Things were were kind of numb
and I was going through the motions and everything on paper
should have, you know, to anyoneelse, it's like, yes, living the
dream, living it well. And it's not that I'm not
appreciative of of where I was at in my life.
It just I didn't feel alive. I didn't feel alive and what I
was doing. And was there a moment where you
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were like, I, this has to changebecause I first of all, I think,
I don't think I hear one story more than it.
Look, why am I having this feeling like I have everything?
I have a husband, I have a nice house, I have kids, I have, I
should be grateful. Like we get in this great
gratitude loop, right? And we, we just kind of gaslight
ourselves and try and ignore thesoul calling and say, no, girl,
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just be grateful for what you have.
You're lucky, right? Like stop this, you know, and
then no one would even believe. Like you have a beautiful
family, you're a gorgeous woman,you have a job, you're what,
what could be the matter, right?And, and meanwhile there's all
these women walking around feeling the exact same way.
So what was the moment that you were like, no, I'm going to,
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this has to change. Like I'm this, I'm going to take
the action. I'm not just going to feel this.
I'm going to take the action. Part of it was really based on
all the things I've done before to try to pull myself out.
They just, they were no longer working, you know, whether it be
that you try to, you know, kind of short fix, short term, kind
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of reinvent yourself. The normal connections that I
had with people that I would rely on were just they weren't
getting to me to where I needed to be.
And ultimately, honestly, it wasme taking a look and saying the
people I love most are sufferingbecause I'm not my best and they
deserve better than that. And now I realize as well, I
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certainly deserved better than that.
I had put myself last. And when we think that that's
what we do is as a wife and a mother and as an employee.
But none of those people were getting the best of me.
They were getting just enough because I was just surviving and
I knew they deserved more. And now I also know that I
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deserve more. Yeah, that's amazing because I
always say, you know, if you're going to do this work and you
and you don't want to do it because you think it's selfish,
I always say, OK, well then do it for do it for your kids, do
it for your husband, do it for your sister, do it for your
mother, because the ripple effect is huge.
It's not really just like you'redoing the work.
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It's like when you're waking up and you're excited about your
life and you love where it's going and you're like, Oh my
gosh, this is so cool. Your kids, your husband, your
friends are all like, oh, well, shit.
I want to feel alive. I want to do things right.
It's it that ripple effect is soincredible.
And you have such a big circle of deep women who are so
wonderful. And I recently went to your
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birthday and I watched them celebrate your 50th and just
seeing who you were to these women, let me know how important
it is for you to be doing what you're doing because you are
such a light for them. You always have been.
And so they want you to be this person.
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They need you to be this person.So my God, ladies, if not for
you, for all the people that love you and we're watching your
kids, your daughter, you know, they're watching, right?
So I'm so glad you mentioned that because that's that's so
true. So you've been through this.
I mean, you've been through a massive transformation, a
massive transformation. And so funny because people see
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you and say you look great and all this stuff, but they have no
idea that the massive transformation is the internal,
right? Like it's like, oh, what you're
seeing. You may think I've like lost a
little weight or I look a littlemore rested.
No, girl, you're what you're seeing is the internal
transformation that I've gone through.
So what was the most surprising or unexpected part of becoming
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the woman you are now? Well, I'll say even from a, you
know, the way you were just, youwere describing me and thank you
for your graciousness in that way and being so generous.
But I kind of describe it as though my light, my internal
light had turned off. Like you say, like, oh, like, I
feel like you were able to witness that I can be a light
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for those people around me. And you know, it was there was
the twinkle in my eye was was gone.
The light had been turned off. It was dimmed.
And honestly, it had to kind of be turned back on internally
before I could then embrace and be my full self again.
Lit up a bright, joyful, excited, you know, it's hard to
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say if there was 1 moment because honestly, this, this
type of work, it takes revisiting a lot of things kind
of negative beliefs you have about yourself, you know,
thought loops that we continue to have in our head that keep us
in a stuck space. But one thing that really does
stand out was work that we did at the A Wonderful retreat
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together, where the concept of having to always be the bigger
person really came into play. And I realized that me living in
that space of always having to say I have to be the bigger
person, that I was denying so much of my own feelings and my
own needs. And that's where that, that's
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where I start. I started to get lost over the
years. It's OK to care about other
people and care about them well,which I do know.
I, I, I love loving others very well.
But because I was had adopted for so long, that mindset of I
should be the bigger person or their needs matter more that all
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the while I've been shrinking and shrinking and disappearing
and then was just finally lost. I mean, you do it gradually over
time, sitting as when we if we don't always know that we're
doing it. We think we're just giving and
providing and loving others. Well, well, for not thinking,
you know, what does this mean for me?
We get totally lost over time. You know, it's just, it's a
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slow, it's a slow process, sadly.
But then you finally wake up andyou're like, who am I?
Where am I in this process? Because I have only been putting
everybody else above me. Yeah.
And I think that bigger person concept, I think is something
we've been told to believe, right.
Girls especially, you know, you're supposed to be a good
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girl and be nice and all that stuff.
And I think, you know, we have moments in our lives where
people come into our lives who are, you know, crossing our
boundaries, who are doing things.
And we are over here feeling like, OK, I'll just keep being
the bigger person. Sometimes it's like actually,
no, actually this person doesn'teven deserve your time and your
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energy and your focus. All these other people who are
loving you and loving every wordand want to support and love
you. And then we get really focused
on the one or two or three that are not really wishing us well
that are in some other story of their own making.
But it's coming off to you as maybe they're betraying or
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whatever they are doing. But in that scenario, I don't
think anybody needs to be the bigger person.
I think in that scenario, sometimes we have to say, no,
this is not about me being the bigger person.
I cannot ignore my boundaries, ignore my desires and and ignore
my feelings, frankly, where I don't feel safe with this person
just so I can be the bigger person.
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So tell me about that because I think that is common.
I think women, even in these friendships, sometimes we will,
we will like violate our own boundaries, our own emotional
needs just to say, well, I'm going to be the bigger person.
Seems like everyone else likes her and I don't want to make a
problem. Right Like and then and then we
end up sacrificing ourselves. Yeah, I think boundaries is
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something that can get, you know, kind of a bad rap
depending on how you approach it.
And I think, you know, for a long time in my life, I thought
boundaries were very restrictive, off putting.
But now I've really learned they're, they're very healthy.
You know, it's not only healthy for yourself, but healthy for
the, the other people in your life.
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They kind of know what to expectas well.
They also know what you will andwon't kind of put up with.
And that that's a healthy thing.Even coming with, you know, my,
my faith is a big part of my life.
And even from like a faith filled perspective, boundaries
are healthy. I mean, God even tells us like,
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you know, choose wisely, love, love fully, but choose wisely
what you're letting into your life and who you're giving all
of yourself to because those influence can really impact us.
So the boundaries part and really embracing that, that is a
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healthy thing to do for yourselfand for other relationships.
I think it's really key for women.
You know, the sooner you learn that, the better.
I mean, it's something that I hope my daughter doesn't take
her to get to 50 to learn that. And it's it's not unkind.
It's actually, I think you see, you said recently, you know, and
in a group that clarity is, it is kindness, boundaries is, is
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be it's not being unkind by having a boundary.
And you can do it with kindness,but owning that for yourself and
knowing yourself well. And what?
Well, what I'm going to accept, and what I'm not willing to
accept is the clarity we all need.
Absolutely, and that's so true. We were talking about that in
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wise women. We were talking about how clear
is kind. You know, if someone asks me to
lunch and I'm like, oh, let me check my calendar that I don't
answer the text for two more days.
Oh, hey, following up, are we having lunch?
Meanwhile, I don't want to have lunch.
I don't I can't too busy or I don't want to have lunch with
this person versus if I just said, I'm so sorry.
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I'm in a part of my life right now.
Right now I'm just so I'm, I'm really bogged down.
I'm not really doing lunches right now.
Just whatever you want to say toclose the door, be clear and
kind versus this woman feeling terrible, reaching out to me all
the time, wanting to see me and I'm just constantly dodging and
weaving right? And we think we're being kind by
doing that. But if you when I tell this,
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it's like bullshit. That is not kind.
Actually, that is, you know, making her feel all a bunch of
things like me avoiding and all this stuff.
She's reading that right. So you're right clear as kind.
And I think the more clear we are, and I know it's scary
sometimes to be like, no and notsay something 10 things after
it. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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I'm not available for that. It's like, you know, you have to
get used to being safe with boundaries, right?
Just feeling like I am allowed and safe.
And that's how I show how much Ilove myself and I love other
people is by showing where my boundary is.
It's funny you said that exact phrase was on the tip of my
tongue. Is is I was listening to and it
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can be as simple as that. Yeah.
Thank you. I'm not available for that at
this time. Yeah.
And Miami, remember my mom growing up teaching me the
phrase of you don't owe anybody an explanation.
You know, we think we have to over explain.
And your choice is your choice. If you know yourself well.
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I mean, you don't. You don't owe anybody an
explanation. So I think that being able to
embrace those things is really freeing and very healthy.
Yeah, and you have to practice it to make it feel more free and
healthy, right? Like you can't.
It's not a one and done. It's like, I got to do it a
couple times. I got to get used to saying
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these, this phrase, you know, and then you start feeling like,
OK, yes, I can do it. But really, no is a complete
sentence. And it's OK to say no.
So tell me, tell everyone about your new business and your
podcast, your soulful career calling.
I'm so excited about all of this.
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So what inspired all of this andwho is it?
For so the inspiration came from2 pain points in my life.
The 1st is really looking back at a time in my life.
I mean I, I've joked for a long period of, of my adult life
saying I still don't know what Iwant to be when I grow up.
But the truth of that is that there were pain points of me
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feeling #1 again, I should be really happy.
You know, I, I've had a great career in a professional world,
but there was a lack of genuine connection and fulfillment.
I knew there was something more I was meant to do, but the pain
points really come from, I can so distinctly remember being 17,
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going off to college, picking a major kind of haphazardly and
being terrified because I, I hadno idea.
I mean, I'm like, OK, this is what I'm supposed to do, but
just the anxiety of, OK, I don'tknow what this is going to look
like. You know, what is the, what are
the next steps? And even even scarier is I
remember graduating and now I had this degree in psychology,
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which I, I loved, but I had no idea what to do next.
And it, I was frozen, I was paralyzed with the fear and
anxiety. So I remember that feeling so
well and wishing that I had moreinsight, I'd done more
introspective work, that I had somebody come alongside me and
say, well, let's get, let's really dig into this then.
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What are the things you love about that?
Where could you take this? You know, where things you like
don't like? So that's the first pain point.
The second is honestly just watching what I describe as the
ridiculous amount of pressure that young adults are under
right now. They are expected and I don't
know why they have it all figured out by 1516 years old
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what you want to pursue. And then you're, you need to
know what major you're going to do at that point, because that's
going to dictate sometimes the coursework that you take.
Even in high school, it used to be the college, you had a little
bit more room to be exploratory and figure that out.
And that seems to have really been stripped away.
And then these kids are startingdown these paths because
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something sounds right or somebody told them this is what
they're good at. And then they're just in in the
race and they're lost. And I was so I'm so sad for
them. I mean, watching, you know, I
have my own teenage kids and I, there's so many others that I
love in my life. I'm like, this is not right.
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We're doing this wrong. We are not coming alongside them
and embracing them and saying, let's figure out what lights you
up. Let's go back to the things that
you loved as a kid. What are the things you can get
lost in? And then you can start, you
know, really narrowing down based on themselves, not the
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outside world, not the pressures, not the shoulds.
And so it was those two pain points that I was like, I want
to have an impact in this space.I want it to look differently
for any kid that I can touch, any adults.
And they're still adults that, you know, come to me that are
going through kind of reimagining that a different
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next chapter, different chapter in their life.
And I want them to feel what that feel is to feel really
connected to something. I know this is what I'm, I'm
meant to do where I can make an impact.
So that is where this was birthed from.
And I'm loving it. I'm, I'm loving, I am loving the
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own joy that I get out of it because I'm getting to see these
kids light up. I, they start to talk and
express themselves and they're engaged and they start to see
things within themselves that have been lost.
It's been lost because of the pressure, because of all the
have to check the box and performance measures.
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And I, I, I, I just love seeing them light up and then getting
them excited about their future rather than anxious or of
wanting to avoid it. So it's really become something
that, and I'm doing coaching, you know, one-on-one, I'm doing
group coaching. I'm also launching this podcast,
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Your Soulful Career Calling. And that came from our
conversations. And really, what do I want this
to be about? I want this podcast to be for
anybody to come on. I don't care if you're 7 years
old or you're 70 years old and you've, you know, you're curious
about what a neurosurgeon does. It sounds cool.
You know, we haven't always titles in this world.
But what does that person reallydo?
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That's this much of of the storyI want to uncover.
The bigger story I want to uncover is OK, what made that
person want to go into this lineof work?
What connect what, what are theyconnected to from their
childhood that shows up now? What lights them up?
You know, what's the day in the life look like?
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But I want to get to the underbelly of it all.
What advice would they give to their younger self?
I really want it to be about connection.
I want people to be inspired andI want us to stop doing this
race with the heaviness of thesejust that just is really
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burdening all of us right now. Again, doesn't matter what age
you are. I see people that are just
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show notes. You know, these kids are so
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burdened. They're, I mean, just even going
through the process with Landon,watching how he was supposed to
have every single thing figured out.
Because if you don't, well, what's your major?
You don't want to go in undeclared.
Well, then what school are you applying to?
Because you don't even know whatyou're studying.
What are you doing? And it just every, all those
conversations were so big. I'm like, my God, I didn't know
what the hell I was doing when Iwas in high school.
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Like I was just over here like taking a math class like it's
everything so serious and sportsis the same way.
It's like nobody can just play basketball because they enjoy
it. No, you have to be at AD one
team. You can't even play unless
you've been recruited. Like I I just I'm so sick of the
lack of exploration, frankly, that these kids get to have.
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And what's so exciting about Career Quest and what you do is
you have a whole way you do that, right?
You have a whole journey that you take these young adults,
these teens, adults, whoever through where they get to
actually think about it in a different way.
It's there isn't the pressure. You're just over there
exploring. And when you did this process
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with Landon, I was like, who, who is he talking to?
He's over there chatting Cassie's head.
I was like, what is happening? And we I had known some things
about Landon, but wow, you really uncovered such specific
detail. Like not just that he likes
politics. What is it about politics?
What is it about that? Oh, well.
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And you kept digging and diggingin a good way.
And for all of us that are listening to this, that are
going well, shit, I, I'd like tohave that conversation with my
kid, but he won't talk to me. Guess what?
He won't talk to me, but he talks to Cassie.
When Cassie is doing it, he suddenly is telling her all the
things I'm over here. Like, what?
Wait, what did he say? What?
So that's the miracle too, is that when you do this work, they
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really open up because there is no pressure.
It's not their parents, it's nottheir teacher, it's not their
guidance counselor asking this question, right?
They're not, they're not being asked this question in a way
that has pressure behind it. They're being asked in
curiosity. And so they're exploring and
figuring out and they're and you're taking them into these
details and they're learning andthen you give them all these
things to do. So I think it's so genius what
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you do, but tell me also, so youalso been going into schools.
Tell me about that. So when you go into a school, so
when you work with a kid one-on-one or a workshop, you
know, you take them through thatkind of exploration journey.
It's also about leadership and so many other things like
developing networking skills. My God.
And you teach them so many things.
When Lana and I have been talking about networking ever
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since that conversation, we havebeen going so deep on this
networking thing. I was so glad you introduced
that concept of like how important that really is to him.
But what do you do when you go to schools?
How does that work with you whenyou go into schools?
So we have a career exposures program and what we do is we go
into schools and ideally what wetry to do is really look into
the school community itself, find parents, that of the kids
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at the community that have some really interesting jobs, maybe a
little bit outside the box and maybe something that a kid
hasn't yet been introduced to. It might be a doctor, but you
know, it's, it's beyond that. So you might be somebody who
works with AI medicine or, you know, some of these kind of new
emerging types of jobs. But, but the goal is really
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going into the community first, identifying parents or could be,
you know, staff or alumni, but within that community that are
willing to be panelists. And we really go into exploring
the networking, the role that networking plays.
It's we want to expose them to alot of different types of jobs.
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I shouldn't say a lot. It's usually about 5 panelists,
but I have gone back to schools,you know, repeatedly and kind of
bringing new people in. But exposing them is one thing.
Getting to kind of think outsidethe box of, oh, I didn't know
there were jobs like that that existed.
Really getting them to talk about, you know, tell me about
the subjects you loved in school.
How are those showing up now until you, the teachers love
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that they're, you know, math teachers are like, yes, you
know, yes, science, yes. They love that.
They're seeing the connections and it's interesting to see
things that you wouldn't think would maybe connect how they
show up in these adult careers. We talked about the power of
networking, which you and I werejust Speaking of that that is
critical. The people in their life that I
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want kids to be curious and be inquisitive, give themself
permission when they're sitting with some of their parents
friends that have come over for dinner has to know what they do
well, why do you like that? What made you choose that?
You know, what type of decisionsdid you have to make that were
kind of hard to get there? What is the future of this job
look like? So we really talk, we explore
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that from a an element of being really inquisitive and curious
and just wonder because then youcreate the world of what's
possible. There's so many things that are
possible out there and it's really fun.
We've had school say we haven't had kids ask so many questions
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and in Q&A, because at the end we try to end with a few Q&A and
there are hands going up left and right.
They are curious, they're excited, they just connected
with somebody. They're like, I didn't know that
existed. So that's another part.
It's all about exposure and getting kids to realize there's
a big, big, exciting world out there of careers.
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You do not have to start funneling this down and figuring
it out at 141516 years old. Let's expose yourself.
Let's get curious, let's research, and then knowing
yourself really well, knowing the world that's out there, then
you can start bridging the two together.
Yeah, and I think this is, this really speaks to how many
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people, me included, you included, where we just got into
any job. We were like, I guess I'll just
take this job. There was no exploration.
We weren't like, what do I, whatreally lights me up?
No, we were just like taking anyjob.
And you have some statistic now about how many careers, these
kids, these new generation, Whatwas that?
What was that statistic you toldme?
I can't remember. Kids these days in their
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lifetime will have 9 different careers 9.
I mean that, yeah. So then what do you do?
Like because that to me is overwhelming.
When I hear that, I'm like, Oh my God, Cassie, like my kids
going to have nine different careers.
What do you do? Like what's the conversation
then if they know they could have maybe have 9 careers?
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It usually goes one of two ways.The first is overwhelm and they
kind of respond with a why in the world would anybody want 9
jobs? And you know, I could quickly
remind them, well, this is they probably didn't do the work that
you and I are doing to really understand themselves in a deep
way. The second response is cool.
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That's, you know, kind of they're thinking like, oh, I
could do so many different things, but the anxiety still
steps in because the next question, they follow up with
this, what a where do I start? Yes, what now?
And so to really break free and unburden them from from that
anxiety that both of those answers kind of give, I simply
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asked them, what do you want to do first?
What are you curious about? First?
You don't have to have the next 50 years figured out.
You don't have have to know whatyou want to major in right now.
What are you curious about? What are you excited about?
Let's let's just start there first.
This is a journey and it is not completely linear.
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You and I know that, that you know, and, and the work that I
do is not promising any parent or any child that they're going
to figure it all out. You know, with you several
sessions with me and they have their life figured out.
That is not the goal. The goal is, what do you want to
do first? And let's give you the skill set
to ask the right questions, to be inquisitive, to network, to
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research, to just educate yourself and explore the world
of possibilities. Yeah.
And taking that pressure off. Totally.
And not just do the thing you just think you should do or your
friends doing or your parents want you to do or right.
And to make the same mistakes a lot of us have made where you
just kind of doing the thing because you're doing it.
I don't know. My dad was a lawyer.
I guess I'll be 1. And then you talk to them.
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They're like, you know what? I really wish I hadn't done
this. Like it's so interesting.
And I think you're helping people avoid that and really
helping kids start to think about like, no, what is actually
my natural talents and gifts? Like everybody's has natural
talents and gifts. If we all were in our unique
purpose and our natural talents and gifts, what a world.
What a world. So I think, you know, I think
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it's a genius what you have. And of course, we will be
putting your soulful career calling your new podcast into
the show notes so people can hopover there.
And I'm hoping you'll have me onyour podcast because, you know,
I want to go. You're lined up.
OK good. Yeah, let's talk about this
because it's we're, we're, it's it's all fine to be like Cassie
launched this business. It's so great.
Everyone, everybody knows that releasing the corporate thing
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and going into entrepreneurship that is not that is not a little
easy thing to do. So what fears, what stories did
you have to let go of to finallystart living a life not only for
everyone else, but also to let yourself do this thing you want
to do? Couple things come up 1 is, you
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know, I've worked in a space andbuilt a career that then became,
it felt so safe and predictable and that felt really good,
right? And our, our bodies, our minds
want to keep us safe. So I've learned that from you
that that fear kind of, you know, place tricks on us because
(34:01):
it'll creep up and say, Oh, no, no, no, no, don't stretch
yourself because you're safe. So I've had to really change the
dialogue around how do I want toapproach fear?
And, and that's an ongoing, I mean, I'm not going to lie, that
is an ongoing kind of nuts, I guess the ongoing challenge, but
(34:22):
it's work you have to do constantly.
You have to, it has become a conscious practice of seeing,
I'm not, not going to let fear stop me and say I'm safe.
Don't stretch yourself. Things are good.
Don't rock the boat. In fact, if fear doesn't show
up, I would say you're not doinganything that you want to do
because it really is going. It's anytime we're entering a
(34:45):
zone of doing something new and unfamiliar, our minds and bodies
are like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, back it down Queen, and
it will, your mind will feed youall the things.
So you're 100% right. It is a, it's not a one and
done. It's a practice 100%.
Yeah. So that is one of the the first
things. What were?
(35:05):
The fears, oh gosh, I mean they,they still creep up.
You won't succeed. Who do you think you are?
A. 100% I feel like we could make ACD of this.
It's like a playlist. The Who do you think you are
Song? The what is everyone else going
to think? Song, right?
Yeah, who? Yeah, everything.
It's a lot of the it's just a lot of judgment, whether it's
(35:28):
really perceived and it's self judgment and it's the perceived
judgment that you think you might have of others.
And I've really just had to continue to relinquish that and
say this the success and by the way, I mean your measure, you
know, the way we measure successchanges to I mean, success
doesn't always in the same thing.
It tell kids that coach. It doesn't have to be a dollar
(35:49):
amount. Sure.
That may follow in time. The success for me is being in a
space that I'm like, I feel alive.
I know I'm making an impact. I'm doing something that's
lasting and it's important. So your definition of success,
you know, can change too. There was another point.
So go back to that question. I want to make sure I'm
(36:09):
answering it. Fully stories did you have to
let go of to finally start living the life fleet life for
you, not everyone else. So the other thing that it came
up when you mentioned that is welaughed.
But you were so good and still are so good about you said, you
(36:30):
know, Cassie, you want to have your backpack, you know, the
pair, not backpack, the parachute completely packed.
You know it's going to be safe before you.
I want to know like how high is the plane going before I'm going
to jump, You know, where's the landing pad?
And you were like, girl, just jump.
You got what you need. That parachute's going to open,
(36:51):
you're going to land. And I think some of those that
belief is, is knowing I've got this.
Yeah. I've got this and maybe you
don't have to have A through Z figured out.
You got ABCD, you're good, let'sgo.
The rest is going to follow. I know I've got it within me and
(37:12):
you knew I had it within me. But sometimes you do just have
to take the jump. And I use a very, very simple
mindset technique with my kids when I'm coaching them too.
And it's a very simple 3 letter word that I try to use in my
vernacular and I want them to start using.
(37:32):
And that's the word yet. And rather than keep putting
ourselves in these limiting mindsets of I'm not good at this
or I'm not ready for this, when you end whatever that sentence
is with the word yet, it becomesexpansive.
It becomes possible. It becomes you're living in a
world that's so much more free. And you're like, I can do this.
(37:57):
I don't have to have it all figured out yet, knowing that
you'll get there so. NPS, you're never going to have
it all figured out. So just fun fact, I'm still
waiting. When am I going to have this all
figured out? It's never happening.
There is a whole, I believe in messy action, you know, and I
know that's not comfortable for a lot of women because we really
(38:18):
do like to check all our boxes. So I'm going to do this and this
and this and this and this and this and have all these
certifications and have all of this lined up.
And the truth is life is not like that.
Like there's going to be, even if you have all that stuff,
there's going to be so many unknowns that happen.
I mean, you can't predict every single thing that's going to
happen. So you're better off having some
things in place, but then saying, girl, I'm jumping
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because you don't know till you get there.
What if you don't even like it? What do you launch the business
that you think you like? And then you have a couple
clients. You're like, Oh my God, this
isn't it, right? You don't know, right?
Oh, you have to take the action so you can get the data, right?
You can't get the data by thinking about it.
You can't think of the data by checking box off and doing your
(39:02):
To Do List. There's no data in there, but
the action brings the data. Right, like, and it's exact same
thing Liz with kids figuring outtheir careers.
You know, I say to to parents like your kids purpose, it's
it's not going to magically appear to them.
It is in purposeful action and in the doing that they're going
(39:25):
to figure that out. And so all of that is data
gathering. You know, we do that in the
coaching too. It's like we got it.
We got to dig deep. Like let's figure out what does
this job really look like? You know, you think you're
interested, well, let's dig in. You know, let's do informational
interview, let's do the research, let's do some
shadowdazer internships. Do you like it?
(39:46):
Great, do not. OK, next.
Right. What do you?
Want to do next? We started with what do you want
to do first? OK, what do you want to do next?
It's that easy. Take that pressure off of them.
But it is so much of it as data gathering.
Don't let the fear of having to have it all figured out.
Whether you're a kid trying to figure out your career or your
person trying to launch in your business, you just got it.
(40:06):
You got to go for it. Yeah, got to go for it, Got to
go for it. So what would you say to the
woman who is stuck? Because you were that woman,
right? You were stuck.
You were like, Oh my God. First the stuckness was more
emotional stuckness and just just a general stuckness.
But then it became like, wait, Iactually really wanted to
something different. I really feel like there's more
(40:28):
for me, right? So what would you say to the
woman who is stuck and silently wondering if it's too late to
reinvent herself or follow her calling?
1st I want to say to that personwho may be listening that I feel
you. I feel I could get emotional
(40:51):
talking about it, but I feel that angst and that sadness and
the heaviness that you feel likeis this it And oh but I should
be happy but no, is this it? I feel you.
And no, it's not it. You can reinvent yourself over
(41:12):
and over again. And, and, and honestly, it's the
most exciting, wonderful thing. You want to be a person who
continues to grow and thrive. So two things I would say #1 is
give yourself permission to invest in yourself.
We do so much investing into other people and loving others
and that is a great thing to give yourself the permission to
(41:33):
say I matter too, and there are small ways and big ways you can
invest in yourself. Give yourself permission to
start doing that. Yeah.
The second is find your community.
Find a community of people you know, you tell my kids, you
know, you are who you hang with.You know, whatever we surround
(41:55):
ourselves with really kind of infiltrates our thoughts and our
actions and take a look around. Doesn't mean you have to like,
you know, drop all the people inyour life.
There's probably people in your life that honestly feel the same
way and would and would love nothing more.
But to like, you know, grab armsand say, let's dig in and grow
together to find your people that are of the same mindset of
(42:17):
saying, I want to grow, I want to heal and I want to rediscover
how to to live bigger and brighter again.
So give yourself permission and find your people that want to do
the same thing. I love that.
And I, when you said it's funny,when you said invest in yourself
in big and big and small ways, Ialways want to say to people,
(42:40):
but invest in yourself in a way you maybe haven't before.
Some of us in the past, like I've paid for vacations, Cassie.
I'm like, you know what? I deserve a vacation.
OK, fine. I can get on board with a
vacation. It's almost like that's spending
that's allowed right now. Anybody came to a retreat?
(43:01):
And it wasn't just a retreat where we were going to like sit
out by a pool. It was a really deep reflective
retreat. I'm like, I don't know.
And it's like, I really questioned like, you know, And
then when I started investing myself in kind of the right ways
and the things that were really deep, I started noticing such
changes and then I didn't even care.
(43:22):
Then I was like, what is that $10,000 for that certification,
$20,000 for that certification? I'm feeling a hell yes in my
body. That is a hell yes for me.
And now I don't care. Now I will, I will spend any
amount of money on my growth expansion and just sheer fucking
joy. I will do that, but it took me a
(43:42):
while to get there. And so I feel like you got to
kind of go baby steps, but also don't invest in your ways that
you've always done. Like if you've always done the
therapy, do not stop, not don't stop therapy necessarily, but do
something different. Hire a coach or oh, I've always
had a business coach. OK, we'll try a personal coach.
Maybe you right or I've always done coach.
Try hypnotherapy, rapid transformational therapy.
(44:04):
Try a different modality becausesometimes you just need to
unstick yourself and go into a different zone when you're
investing and that community thing is huge.
You and I know to this Wise Women Collective, the group that
you're in, that is a gold level group of women, that incredible
heart in and to watch the way you all support each other, to
(44:28):
watch the way you all hold spacefor each other.
You guys go further and faster. You build huge things.
I mean, everybody in that group is building things and doing
things and transforming in the most incredible and truly fast
ways because they know they havethat support, You know, they're
(44:48):
safe, right? Anything in that room, and we
do. And I think that's been powerful
for you, especially to have thatsuper safe space where it
doesn't matter what you say, they're like, we've got you.
That's been truly transformativefor you because you are the
person, Cassie, for so many people.
(45:10):
That makes me emotional. Cassie, you are that person for
so many people. And just last night I watched
these people say, I'm your sister.
This is your sisterhood here. I'm your sister because you
said, oh, I've always wanted a sister.
And they were like, what about us?
(45:32):
I mean, they were so cute. They all were like, I want to be
your sister. And I thought, my God, what a
group for you, for you to have because you are that thing.
You are that person. You are that beacon for so many
people. Thank you for saying that.
And you know, I am blessed. I, I do have that in, you know,
many women in my life. I think I, you know, we would go
(45:55):
back to the beginning of this conversation.
There was a point in my life where I had just become feeling
a little beat up and I was just,I was, I was numb that those
even those relationships, it just didn't feel as truly
connected. I I honestly, because I think
I'd pushed it away and from hurtand that has I've been able to
(46:18):
see an abundance with a group that loves big that pours in.
There's no competition. It is like cheering from the
rooftops for each other about that's what we need.
And that has been critical for me.
And, and honestly, it's opened me back up to saying I know I
have that. I have been, you know, luckily I
(46:40):
have that in this group, but I have it outside this group too.
And I can, I can, I can, I can lean into that again because I,
because I believe it again. Yeah, you can trust it again.
Yeah. Yeah.
It's so true because that expansion let you to expand out
of the group and say, OK, I'm going to let people in, It's OK,
I'm safe, right? Yeah.
(47:00):
So now that you've done all thisinner work, and I know it's a
journey and where there's still always more work to do inner
work, but now that you've done the inner work and are helping
other find other people find their purpose, what does that?
Because I love the term of legacy.
Yeah. What does living a legacy mean
to you now that you've kind of been on this journey?
(47:22):
Legacy. Well, it's funny, I've said
there's a couple things that I want written on my tombstone
someday when I'm gone. The first is that she loved
others. Well, whether it be my personal
or professional life, I'll get emotional.
I want my legacy to be that I loved others.
Well. And I know and I know I do.
(47:45):
And that's not and I am I. It's OK to say that.
And that is not being braggadocious or obnoxious like
I love loving and other people. Well, so when it comes to, I
guess more specifically what my focus is right now from my own
launching pad of this business, I want people to know that you
(48:08):
really can find connection. You can find where your own
impact is going to be in this world, that doing the work
upfront be in the middle of yourlife, but doing the work, the
necessary work to uncover who you really are and what you're
connected to can break such deepfulfillment.
(48:32):
And I want people to embrace that approach in their career
and in their life of being introspective, of finding
connection, because that's goingto have this incredible ripple
effect of the other people that they come in contact with.
Absolutely. And you are that ripple effect.
I keep. You know, Cassie's many times
(48:54):
told me, Oh my God, I think of the teacher that I wanted to,
you know, I went back and I talked to the teacher.
I said, Oh my God, Cassie, that's going to be you.
You're going to have these womenand men and young adults who
come back and say, Oh my God, Cassie, if you didn't do that
with me, I would have never eventhought I could be the job that
I love, that I'm. I wouldn't even have thought I
(49:14):
could have this career. I wouldn't even have known that
that was what my soul was calling out for.
I thought it was this and it wasn't that.
And you helped me figure that out.
And Oh my God, people are going to come back, can tell you that.
And you're just going to be like, Oh my God, like thinking
of all the people that need you and that you're going to change
(49:35):
their whole experience, their college experience, their career
experience, You're going to change it all for them.
You know, And I love this because this is the way we
should be thinking about our career paths, not just like, OK,
I guess I'll do this. And like, it's random and like,
well, just try that major. There should be intentionality.
There should be, it should be about your heart's desire.
It should be about your impact and your legacy, right?
(49:58):
It should be that journey because that's the fulfilling
journey. That is the sole calling.
Well said I'm. Going to come on your podcast
and say that yes, you are. I didn't know where I was going
for a minute and all of a suddenI ended up exactly where I
wanted to. I learned.
It. Thank you so much, Cassie.
(50:20):
This has been such an amazing conversation.
I'm so thrilled for you as your friend, as your coach, as all
the things, but I am. I can't even believe all the
things you're doing because listen.
You. You are.
Doing all the work. I'm over here guiding,
supporting, but you're actually doing the action, You're doing
the hard work, you're doing the transforming.
And so I just want to just celebrate you because you are.
(50:43):
I mean, my God, from where we started, could you even have
predicted? Nope, this is where we would be.
No, and, and honestly, Liz, I'll, I'll say this over and
over again, but thank you. You also love others well, and
you have a gift. What did I call you?
(51:04):
What was that sign I gave you? Hold on, let me hold it up
because I have a right difference maker.
A difference maker. And I think if there's more
difference makers in this world that can see things than other
people that they may not see themselves like you did for me
(51:24):
and that I believe I'm doing within others now, that's the
only legacy that that we really need.
So thank you. I could, I could not have said
it better myself. I love that.
I love that. OK, well, everyone, if you have
ever felt like you were living alife that looked good on the
outside, good on paper, but it didn't feel good on the inside,
(51:46):
if you feel like you are living someone else's life, Cassie's
story is proof. It's proof to you that you're
not alone and more importantly, you're not actually stuck.
You're not stuck, right? This is the beginning.
This is the beginning of that yellow brick road that you get
to go down and explore. So this conversation is a
reminder that reinvention doesn't have an age limit,
(52:09):
right, Cassie? It doesn't.
That legacy is not built in a moment.
It's built in the courageous, everyday little little actions,
messy actions. And going forward, that soul LED
choices are something we make every day.
It's not a one and done. And Cassie is literally walking
(52:30):
proof that when you pause long enough to just hear that inner
voice and you trust it, you can build something extraordinary.
So don't forget to follow and support Cassie.
I'm going to put all her information up.
Our beautiful new podcast, your soulful career calling.
I want to make sure because thisis just the beginning.
(52:52):
You got to get on board early with Cassie.
This is just the beginning. Catch her before she really
orbits into the sky and you, shewas going to be so busy, she
might not even be able to call you.
So catch her now. Get on that podcast.
Go explore what she's doing withyoung adults, with women, with
men. She's changing lives.
And until next time, remember, you are not too late, you are
(53:15):
not too old, and your future is still unwritten.
So let's write it. Thank you, everybody.
Bye.
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