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SPEAKER_01 (00:00):
Welcome to the deep
dive.
Today we're tackling something Ithink we all know a little too
well (00:04):
negativity.
But you know, we want to gobeyond just having a bad mood.
We're going to look at chronicnegativity.
SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:13):
That point where uh
that constant feeling of fear or
cynicism or or resentment, itstops being just a feeling.
SPEAKER_00 (00:21):
Right.
SPEAKER_01 (00:22):
And it becomes the
lens you see everything through.
Aaron Ross Powell, Jr.
SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
It becomes your
operating system.
SPEAKER_01 (00:25):
Aaron Powell
Exactly.
And our sources are showingsomething pretty stunning here.
That when this happens, yourbrain has actually physically
changed.
SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Aaron Powell That's
really the core idea.
And it's it's a huge shift inunderstanding.
Chronic negativity isn't justabout what you're thinking, it's
fundamentally rewiring how youthink.
SPEAKER_01 (00:43):
Aaron Ross Powell So
it's creating a new default
setting.
SPEAKER_00 (00:45):
Aaron Powell Yeah, a
default that's just prepared for
the worst.
It's anticipating conflict ordisappointment, even when
there's no reason to.
Aaron Powell Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (00:52):
So let's get into
the source material on this.
For this deep dive, our missionis really to look at the
neuroscience behind this.
This process calledneuroplasticity to really
understand the physicalconsequences of being in that
state all the time.
And I think most importantly,how we can maybe reverse that
pattern.
SPEAKER_00 (01:10):
Aaron Powell And
that's the hope, right?
If you can see the actualmechanism, you can stop just
blaming yourself, you know, forhaving no willpower.
Right.
You can actually start usingstrategies that address the real
problem, which is the wiring.
SPEAKER_01 (01:23):
Aaron Powell So
let's start there with that core
process, neuroplasticity.
It's a term we hear all thetime.
We do.
But what does it really mean inthis context?
SPEAKER_00 (01:32):
Aaron Powell Well,
put simply, your brain is always
reshaping itself.
It's responding to yourthoughts, your habits, your
emotions every single day.
SPEAKER_01 (01:41):
Aaron Powell So what
happens when the thoughts we
keep repeating are the negativeones?
SPEAKER_00 (01:45):
What the research
details is the formation of what
you could call a negativedefault network.
Okay.
Think of your brain like a fieldof grass.
Every time you have an angrythought or a cynical one, you're
stepping on the grass, you'recreating a little path.
Now, if you walk that same pathover and over and over again,
well, it stops being a path andbecomes a deep groove, a trench.
SPEAKER_01 (02:06):
So that negative
circuit becomes the path of
least resistance.
It's just easier for the brainto go there.
SPEAKER_00 (02:11):
It is, exactly.
Those neural circuits, they firetogether so often that they
basically fuse.
They become fast, efficient,thick.
Negativity becomes the brain'sbaseline.
SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
It's inertia.
SPEAKER_00 (02:23):
It's pure inertia.
It's not even a choice at thatpoint.
SPEAKER_01 (02:25):
Aaron Powell This
explains that.
That feeling of being stuck thatyou hear people talk about so
much.
Yes.
So what you're saying is they'reright.
It's not just in their head,it's a physical reality.
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_00 (02:38):
It is.
It's a profoundly entrenchedpattern.
And the uh the physical cost ofrunning that default program is
just staggering.
It's not just your mood, it'sreshaping the very structures in
your brain that manage youremotional life.
SPEAKER_01 (02:54):
Aaron Powell Okay,
this is where the science gets
really interesting.
What are the key parts of thebrain that are actually
physically changed by thisconstant cycle of negativity?
SPEAKER_00 (03:01):
Aaron Powell We see
the impact in three main areas.
First, there's the amygdala.
SPEAKER_01 (03:05):
The threat center.
SPEAKER_00 (03:06):
The brain's fire
alarm, basically.
In a state of chronicnegativity, it gets bigger, more
reactive.
It's like the sensitivity dialgets cranked all the way up.
SPEAKER_01 (03:16):
So every little
thing sets it off.
SPEAKER_00 (03:18):
Every small thing.
It starts assuming the worst isjust around the corner.
Always.
SPEAKER_01 (03:22):
It makes perfect
sense.
If you're always vigilant,you're gonna be jumpy.
SPEAKER_00 (03:25):
Exactly.
And then second, you have theprefrontal cortex, the PFC.
SPEAKER_01 (03:30):
The rational part.
SPEAKER_00 (03:30):
The sophisticated
part, yeah.
It's responsible for context,for nuanced judgment, for seeing
other possibilities.
But when the amygdala isscreaming, the PFC goes quiet.
It gets overridden.
So you lose that ability tothink clearly, to step back and
find another explanation forwhat's happening.
SPEAKER_01 (03:47):
Wow.
So the very mechanism that couldcalm you down and help you see
the bigger picture that'sgetting weaker at the exact same
time, the threat center isgetting louder.
SPEAKER_00 (03:56):
It's a double
whammy.
It really is.
And the third major impact is onthe hippocampus.
SPEAKER_01 (04:01):
Which is tied to
learning and memory, right?
SPEAKER_00 (04:03):
Deeply.
And this is shocking, but oursources show that under the
weight of chronic stress, thehippocampus can actually shrink.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
Wait, shrink.
It can physically get smaller.
That sounds that sounds serious.
SPEAKER_00 (04:15):
It's very serious.
That shrinkage is tied tostress, basically blocking the
growth of new neurons.
SPEAKER_01 (04:22):
So your ability to
learn new things, to learn
positive responses, is literallygetting smaller.
SPEAKER_00 (04:27):
It's diminished.
Now, the good news is that itisn't permanent.
Neuroplasticity, remember, worksboth ways, but it shows you just
how deep the physical cost goes.
SPEAKER_01 (04:37):
And that really gets
to the heart of why people in
this state feel like theyliterally can't see anything
good anymore.
It's not an exaggeration.
SPEAKER_00 (04:45):
No.
Their brain has been physicallyconditioned to look for and
anticipate disappointment.
It's been trained for survival,not for thriving.
SPEAKER_01 (04:53):
So we've covered the
structure, the brain's
architecture.
What about the chemistry?
What's being released in thebody every single time that
negative pattern fires?
SPEAKER_00 (05:00):
This is critical
because, as you said, the brain
doesn't distinguish between anemotional threat like, you know,
replaying an old argument inyour head.
SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
And a real one, like
a bear chasing you.
SPEAKER_00 (05:11):
Right.
It's the same to the brain.
So every single time thatnegative thought loop runs, it
triggers an emergency cascade ofstress hormones.
SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
Cortisol,
adrenaline.
SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Cortisol adrenaline,
and also pro-inflammatory
chemicals.
And these things are meant forshort-term emergency use.
Run from the bear.
SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Not for your daily
emotional weather.
SPEAKER_00 (05:31):
When it becomes the
daily weather, that constant
bath of chemicals just itchanges everything.
It leads to chronic inflammationin the body.
SPEAKER_01 (05:39):
Which is tied to all
sorts of other health issues.
SPEAKER_00 (05:41):
Serious long-term
issues, yes.
It proves that a chronicallynegative mind is also, in a very
real sense, a physicallyunhealthy body.
The whole nervous system losesits flexibility.
SPEAKER_01 (05:52):
So you become more
reactive, more defensive, more
close off.
SPEAKER_00 (05:55):
That's what we call
emotional rigidity.
It's a state where the brain isso locked into its pattern that
feeling peaceful or openactually feels more dangerous
than anticipating pain.
SPEAKER_01 (06:05):
The rigidity feels
like it's protecting you.
SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
It feels like armor,
but it's actually a cage.
It's what's closing the door toany kind of healing.
SPEAKER_01 (06:11):
Aaron Powell And I
guess that's where you start to
see those cognitive distortions,like jumping to conclusions or
always assuming the worst.
SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
Oh, absolutely.
Your mind is just constantlystanding for evidence to confirm
its negative bias.
SPEAKER_01 (06:23):
Can you give us an
example?
SPEAKER_00 (06:24):
A classic one.
You text a friend a simplequestion and they don't reply
for an hour.
If you're in a state ofemotional rigidity, your mind
just bypasses all the logicalreasons.
SPEAKER_01 (06:34):
Like they're busy,
they're driving.
SPEAKER_00 (06:36):
It goes right past
that and straight to they're mad
at me, I've done somethingwrong, this relationship is in
trouble.
It assumes pain is the norm.
SPEAKER_01 (06:44):
Okay.
So after all of this, thispretty disturbing picture of the
damage, the shrinkinghippocampus, the overactive
amygdala, the chemical bath, wehave to ask the big question.
Is this reversible?
Can you build a new road if theold one is a superhighway?
SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
Yes.
Absolutely.
And that is the most hopeful,incredible discovery in all of
this research.
The same neuroplasticity thatdug those deep grooves can also
fill them in and pave new ones.
SPEAKER_01 (07:12):
The brain is never
finished.
SPEAKER_00 (07:13):
It is never finished
rewiring.
SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
So what does that
reversal actually look like on a
cellular level?
How do positive habits likegratitude or compassion
physically change the wiring?
SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
It's a two-part
process.
First, when you practicesomething like calm or
compassion, you are activelyturning down the volume on the
amygdala.
You're telling the threatcenter, hey, false alarm, stand
down.
Okay.
And second, you are consciouslyactivating the prefrontal cortex
again.
You're bringing the thinkingbrain back online.
SPEAKER_01 (07:42):
Aaron Powell, So if
I practice gratitude, for
example, I'm literally forcingmy PFC to scan for positive data
points.
SPEAKER_00 (07:49):
Yes.
You're forcing it to look fornuance, for what's good.
And that overrides theamygdala's instant doom and
gloom forecast.
SPEAKER_01 (07:55):
Aaron Ross Powell So
things like awareness,
compassion, forgiveness.
These are the new buildingmaterials.
SPEAKER_00 (08:01):
Aaron Powell They
are the materials for the new
neural pathways.
You are consciously, onerepetition at a time, rebuilding
your capacity for perspectiveand peace.
The way back isn't through somedramatic overnight change, it's
through quiet consistency.
SPEAKER_01 (08:15):
Aaron Ross Powell
But there has to be a first
step, right?
It can't just be about forcingyourself to be positive.
SPEAKER_00 (08:19):
Yeah.
No, that never works.
It feels fake.
The essential first step is justrecognition, quietly noticing
the habit that you're running.
We can't change what we don'teven recognize we're doing.
SPEAKER_01 (08:30):
So healing starts
with awareness, not with
pressure.
SPEAKER_00 (08:33):
It starts with
awareness and honestly,
gentleness.
Negativity rewired your brainslowly, one thought at a time.
Healing works the same way.
It's about slowly increasing theamount of time your nervous
system spends at rest, not in astate of defense.
SPEAKER_01 (08:49):
Making the new
positive path the easier one to
take.
SPEAKER_00 (08:52):
Until it becomes the
new default.
SPEAKER_01 (08:54):
That is such a
powerful thought to leave you
with.
Your mind is always talking toyou.
And the tone of that innervoice, you know, whether it's
harsh or rushed or soft, it's ahuge clue.
SPEAKER_00 (09:05):
It's a clue about
your neural wiring.
It's telling you which programyou're currently running.
SPEAKER_01 (09:09):
So we encourage you
to just take a moment, maybe
right now, just notice the toneof your inner voice.
SPEAKER_00 (09:16):
Don't judge it.
Just listen to it.
That voice, that monologue, it'sa message from a part of you
that has been trying really,really hard to protect you.
SPEAKER_01 (09:23):
And awareness is
where that transformation can
begin.
SPEAKER_00 (09:26):
It always is.
SPEAKER_01 (09:27):
And just to give you
a small, concrete action you can
take this week, to startinterrupting that old wiring.
One that engages that prefrontalcortex we talked about.
We suggest this.
Just once a day, pause whatyou're doing and ask yourself
one simple question.
Is this thought helping me heal?
Or is it keeping me stuck?
SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
And just notice the
answer.
Don't try to change the thoughtor beat yourself up.
That small act of just askingthe question creates a tiny bit
of space.
SPEAKER_01 (09:56):
And that space is
where a new pattern can start to
form.
SPEAKER_00 (09:59):
Exactly.
But be gentle with the process,and we'll talk to you next time.