May 15, 2024 • 29 mins
On Season 9, Episode 9 of The LowDOWN: A Down Syndrome Podcast, Darryl and Darius Andaya give us the lowdown on taekwondo for people with Down syndrome.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today on the low, down it down in podcast, darl
and Darius and Deia gives us alow down on T Quick Dough ,
four people Down syndrome. Overto you, Hannah , Marla .
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thanks Danielle.
Hello everyone, and welcomeback to another episode of the
Low Down Podcast. My name'sMarla, and I'm joined here by
my co-host Hannah Mahmud . Hey,Hannah . Hi Marla. How are you?
I am good. I'm very excitedabout this . Today's episode
would be a good one. Yes . Veryexcited. Uh , on today's
episode, we'll be talking witha parent who started this
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really incredible program tohelp develop and support
students with Down Syndromephysically and mentally. So
today we're talking withDarius, who's a father of four.
We've got Dana , Daron,Darrell, and Darren , and he's
an artist in all aspects. Weare talking about literature.
He wrote a book called I TooCan Be Special Graphic Arts,
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visual Arts and PerformingArts. He's a dance member of
the Acapellas and plays pianoand cello as well as martial
arts. So that will be our focustoday. And Darius has a
Master's in businessadministration and a Bachelor's
of Science and computingScience with specialization in
computer tech. And he's a sixthdegree international
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instruction from theInternational TaeKwonDo
Federation. That's a big dealfor people listening. Yeah. Um
, and he is also a certifiedprivate pilot. Yeah . Get out
town. Okay . He do everything.
Yeah. A Renaissance man. And ,uh, Darius is joined today by
his son, Darrell. Darrell, whowe know fairly well. Um ,
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Darrell is a young adult whoattends classes here at the
DSRF, and Darryl also does abit of everything. He's big
into music and dancing. He hasa YouTube channel called The
Adventures of Super Darryl,which you can follow and like
and subscribe for sure. AndDarrell also is a black belt in
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TaeKwonDo and helps his dad runthe TaeKwonDo class. Welcome to
both of you. We're happy tohave you here on the lowdown.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Thank you. Good to be here. And , and thank you.
You too . Oh
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah , absolutely.
Great. So excited. Okay. SoDarius and Daryl, we have a
tradition before our interview,we like to ask our guests some
secret questions and they'requestions just so people can
get to know you better. So likeicebreakers. Are you guys
ready? Okay. Okay. What do youthink? Darrell? Okay. Darrell,
I'm gonna ask you this questionfirst. I heard that you are a
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big karaoke person. What isyour favorite karaoke song?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh , this is my favorite song. These are my
best Three boys. Oh ,
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Backstreet My Heart.
So, happy. Is there anyBackstreet Boy song?
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean , um, um, this is my favorite. You
this ? Yeah . Go everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh, everybody. Yes.
That's a good karaoke jam. Ibet that goes well with some
dance moves . Oh , so good.
Darryl. Darius, what about you?
Are you a karaoke person aswell?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Oh yeah. The old family is actually, yeah .
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Who is your favorite travel buddy or group? Like
when you guys go for traveling,who do you like to go on trips
with?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Uh , uh, uh, we are going to Philippines.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You're gonna go to the Philippines? That's
exciting.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Usually we all go.
Okay . But those , we
Speaker 3 (03:37):
All go, we all , yeah. . Especially when
you're going that far. Right.
When you're going to thePhilippines, everyone will take
everyone along . Yeah . Are youexcited about that trick ,
Daryl?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Um, yeah. Yeah . I can wait after long March . It
may have .
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Gotcha . Cool.
Awesome. I love it. In March.
Ooh . All right . Our lastquestion is, what is the best
concert or festival that you'veever been to? Darius? Did you
wanna try that one? Concert?
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I like air supply.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oh, plastic Air Supply . Yeah .
Speaker 5 (04:08):
That's High Voices .
Yeah .
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Me . That's awesome.
Uh , and Daryl , what's yourfavorite concert than you've
been to
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Concert ? Um , I think there , all of us , um,
me are brother and sister.
Mm-hmm . But he'svery good. He's dancer . My
brother, he's Italian .
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay . That is a
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Goodly dancer .
Yeah. 'cause we , we did aconcert for fundraising, so, so
everybody performed on stage.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Your favorite concert was Your Bone Family
Concert. I love that. Yeah .
The AYA Group. That's awesome.
Very cool. And your brother ,you said your brother is a
dancer too? Oh , Darren likesto dance.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
He likes to dance.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Are you teaching him some of your Mose because
you're a great dancer?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I need the dancer with Lolo . He's a pleasure .
And tell me, I, okay. So it'sbeen around. Gotcha,
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Oh ,
Speaker 3 (04:57):
The talent runs deep in this family. That's amazing.
Okay. So we're gonna kind ofnow start digging into our
topic about TaeKwonDo. Yeah .
Are you guys ready? Okay. Um,Darius, can you tell us a
little bit about how you gotstarted in TaeKwonDo? Like
where did that passion start?
,
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Long time.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
.
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yeah . I started when I was 12. Um, uh, my , my
dad brought me to the, to theschool. The school is about
like two hours drive for Oh .
From where we lived . So ifwhen I go training, I would go
two hours to school, two hoursback, back. Yikes. So every
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time I go, it's two hours ,it's four hours.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's a big commitment Right. Off hours
beginning.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
So it's old .
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No , it's a day.
Yeah .
Speaker 5 (05:42):
So that was , uh, I was 12 so's more than four 40
years now . Yeah .
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's awesome. And did you start in the
Philippines?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I started, yeah .
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Amazing.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Uh, the training be over there is like very
serious, like old, old school .
Yeah. Yahoo. Yeah . Teaching .
But , uh, and then , um, so Igot up to second degree black
belt in the Philippines. Okay.
And then when I went to Canada, uh, I stopped for about 10
years. Okay. And then went toCanada. My kids asked me if I
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could start teaching them . Oh. So I restarted training, and
then we started in thebackyard, and then some of
their classmates came and we,we became a school. Yeah. Just
from that. And then the rest ishistory. The
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Rest is me . So how long have you had the actual
school now?
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Uh , from
Speaker 3 (06:37):
She started
Speaker 5 (06:38):
When ? 2008. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
2008 , uh, from Sury, and then we moved to
Vancouver . Gotcha .
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I see. And how many students do you have in the
Speaker 5 (06:46):
School? Right now?
We have about 70. Wow. That'sme . Yeah . Mm-hmm
.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And of course we know your wonderful son, Daryl.
Um, who we are all lucky toknow. Um, Darrel's, as Marla
mentioned, is also a TaeKwonDochampion at the world level.
Mm-hmm . Iremember that . So cool . Yeah
. We're so proud of you, Daryl.
Um, and you also happened tohave Down Syndrome, right? So
when did you realize thatDarryl could not only
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participate in TaeKwonDo, butlike Excel at a world level?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Um , when , when he was a lot younger, when while
we were teaching classes, hewould be in the back doing all
the moves. Yeah. Yeah. So hewould just mimic everyone what
they're doing. Yeah. You , andthen after that, around , uh,
nine years old, he startedtraining. Okay . And then yeah.
He, he would just take it in.
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Yeah. And , uh, 'cause youknow, we have , uh, like three
other black belts in thefamily. Yeah . So we just, we
just , we just , uh, help himout every day . It's every day
, every night. Mm-hmm . We're helping
him on site and he, he takes itin. Yeah. Mm-hmm
. He , he , he , he doesn'tquit. That's, that's the good
thing about him. He doesn'tquit Pretty help . Every time
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we, we do a criticism on him,we just take it in and then
practice more, which is good.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I actually remember you guys practicing a long time
ago. I think you were waitingfor therapy and you guys would
practice outside in the front.
Um, oh , by the parking lot. Iremember that. And Daryl , even
at that time, you must havebeen about 10 maybe. Yeah. Um,
you were really serious aboutit and really committed to it
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as a pretty young kid, whichwas just really cool to see.
And look where you are now.
It's awesome. Darl . Darrell,what do you like about
TaeKwonDo?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Um , this one , is this one at Tado Championship?
Um , no . I'm here in NewZealand.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh, you went to a world championship in New
Zealand? Yeah . Hmm . That's abig trip. That's a big trip.
But that's pretty big on a biglevel. Right? So do you like
TaeKwonDo because you get goodexercise or because you feel
really focused? Like, what doyou feel when you do TaeKwonDo?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Um, um, I actually , uh, um, I working, if I listen
, the , the askingthat guy , he said, yeah.
Breaking a board in the half ,
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Breaking the board in half. So that's one of the
things you like aboutTaeKwonDo. 'cause you can use
your strength and show youramazing strength. You can break
a board in half.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Hate elbow. This real boring , got the woods .
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Got it. Mm-hmm . So you like the physical part of
it where you could really useyour strength, huh? Right .
Yeah. That's awesome. What aresome of the other championships
you want ? So you went to NewZealand, I know you've won some
provincial stuff in bc. Can youtell us about another
championship that you, that youhave , um, gotten medals in?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Um, yeah. Only have I , these are like two, two
gold medals that have severalbronzes . Okay . Um , that I'm
using myself. Silver
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And bronze. Okay.
Yep .
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Um , yep . I show them and I study number one.
That's so cool. Him and me anddaddy. He , we fight on the
stage. Yeah . Very that mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (10:23):
. So
you and your dad did one
together, like a demonstration.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah. He's only , you won . He's the gold medals.
He ,
Speaker 3 (10:31):
He's gold medals. I think you are too. It was ,
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Uh , it was actually a part of the, it's , it's part
of the competition. Okay.
There's one with DO syndromeand Yeah . Not do syndrome, but
one with disabilities . Mm-hmm . The other one
without, then we , we would dosomething on stage . Yeah. And
, uh, it was really good. He ,uh, he actually leveled up the
Wow . The standards. I
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Bet you did. Of course you did. Mm-hmm
. I know that youguys yearly at the, at the DS R
run up , um, family run, youalways do a demonstration. And
I, every time you're doing ademonstration, all eyes are you
guys , I can see little kidsjust looking like, oh my gosh,
I wish I could do that. Sothose demonstrations are so
phenomenal to watch. And Ithink it gives lots of other
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people ideas on how coolTaeKwonDo is. Right. Darryl, do
you like doing thosedemonstrations for other
people?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Um , any people is what do you from us Yeah. A
recording with it together.
Yeah,
Speaker 3 (11:27):
They are . They do record it. That's true. Do you,
do you feel nervous about it?
Or is it kind of an excitingthing? How do you feel about
it?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Actually , we are exciting that we have , yeah .
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I do have the feeling that you like to be on
stage. I do. I've seen you do alot of dancing, so that doesn't
really surprise me. You don'tget nervous, you're ready to
perform. Yep . Ever . Right ?
Mm-hmm . That's ,that's a heart of a champion.
That's awesome. Mm-hmm . Um,Darius, what is your philosophy
around martial arts for, forpeople with disabilities
especially?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Um, the main thing for me is that they get to try
it. Mm-hmm . Um ,'cause some, some parents have
fears about getting hurt ,things like that. Yeah. Uh , I
encourage everyone to just giveit a try. It's good for them
physically. Yeah. And also ,um, uh, gives them
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self-confidence when they, whenthey achieve something. Mm-hmm
. And TaeKwonDohas like, competitions that
would allow them to show their, uh, show them what they,
what, what they can, yeah .
What they can do. So, yeah.
Mm-hmm .
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah . Have you heard from parents , um, after
they've had , um, their kids inyour classes, any differences
that they've seen in their kidsat all? Yes. Yeah. Parents have
kind of come back and said, youwere right. . I've
heard a lot . Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I've got a good, I've got a lot of good reviews.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Any Of
course. That's not a surprising
at all. Yeah. That's reallygreat. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Mm-hmm
.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And for people who are listening, I mean, part of
the reason why we know a littlebit about this already is that
there's a TaeKwonDo class thatruns out of here, out of the
clinic space. Um, and it runsevery week. And can you guys
tell us a little bit about howthat got started? How did you
get here?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Uh , we started, I think we got invited to perf ,
uh, do a one week camp. Oh,yeah. Yeah . We started from
there. And then we had somepeople who were interested. So
we didn't decided, okay, let'smake this , uh, a regular
things mm-hmm .
They made it a , a once a weekclass. Mm-hmm .
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We have It is a jet . Yeah . Oh , yeah . Enough
space for everybody. Now we'rerunning outta space .
And for, I'm hoping thatthere's other TaeKwonDo masters
who aren't listening to this.
Maybe there are. And so theywould want to know, I suppose,
what do you change or how doyou adapt the class to make
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sure that everybody's learning, um, to the best of their
abilities?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah . Um , I've been doing this to the, to the,
with, with the other schools inour federation that I've been
encouraged them to use my, myprogram. Mm-hmm .
Um , 'cause right now there'sno , uh, formal program for
adapted . So, which I , I'vedeveloped once mm-hmm
. Trying to getthem to use it. Yeah. Mm-hmm
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. So it'sstandard and it's the same for
everyone. And so that when wemeet at competition, everybody
knows the same, at the samelevel. Right . Right . So I've
been , um, it's mostly aboutadapting, the , adapting the
program to what they can do.
Mm-hmm . So wecan't do like too many of the ,
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uh, intellectual part of theprogram. Mm-hmm .
Can do much of that if there'san intellectual disability.
Mm-hmm . Ifthere's physical disability, we
can't do too much of thephysical mm-hmm .
So we have to adapt it so thatthey can , um, they can show
what they can do. Mm-hmm . So if , for
example, they're , they're on a, they're on a wheelchair
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mm-hmm . Then ofcourse the jumping fire , the
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Walking not relevant, but Yeah .
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah . So they, they should do the arm movements.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yep . So it sounds like it's pretty customized for
every person who joins and whocomes. You are really focusing
on, I guess, the positives ofwhat they're able to do and
really maximizing those things.
Um , so when you guys have theclass here, you're teaching it
together, it looks like. So I'mreally curious, Darryl, what do
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you think your job is in theclass? What's your role?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Uh , uh, this is my job.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
What do you do during class?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Um , uh, actually , um, I feel my job , uh, I had
to learn a bit on that .
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Mm-hmm
. And so you're a black belt
and lots of the people in theclass, I think they're white
belts and maybe some yellowbelts in the class. And so
you're teaching them some ofthe skills Right. With your
dad. And so are you focused onarm movements or leg movements
or like a sequence puttingthings together?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Um , yeah. That it is helping me , uh, uh, a
syndrome student . Um , it ishelping for them. He , daddy
tell me mm-hmm . Yeah . Mymm-hmm . Stretch up down my
leg. Yeah . Um , I mean , sir ,he's very good for and is value
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from us. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Learning from you, right? Yeah. I was just , yeah
. I got , Aaron's been on thispodcast, so I'm sure you would
love a shout out . .
Um, sorry , I was just gonnaask Daryl , like, it must feel
really good when you have,'cause you have some students
that are younger than you inthe class, so they're looking
up to you and learning fromyou. So you're like a role
model that , that must feelreally good for you.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah. They feel , uh, anyway , way .
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, no, totally.
Of course . Mm-hmm . I have seen
when you guys are teaching theclass, it's really helpful when
you can demonstrate things forthe students. And I've seen
that you show them reallycarefully a lot of the moves.
And it's often both of youtogether so that they
understand what they'resupposed to be doing. Do you
like doing that part?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Um , do is a part of ,
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's part of it there . Yeah. Sure is. There's
also setting up the room, whichyou're also very helpful about.
Yeah. Is they put down mats forsafety and very heavy and very
big mats. Yeah . Yeah. It's alot of work. Yep . Yeah . Done
for sure. Yeah. And one eventthat we wanted to talk about
here was the championships thatwere held in Vernon last year.
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So you guys led severalstudents to participate in the
TaeKwonDo championships inVernon. And the level of
excitement around here washuge. Uh, what was that like to
take so many students to thatevent?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
That was ver that was very exciting. 'cause that
was the first time on anational event Yeah. That we
had our students go in and, and, uh, the masters, the grandmas
were there. They were able tosee them perform mm-hmm
. And it was veryinspiring. I I , I had a lot of
, uh, parents come to us andtell us that was really, really
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exciting. And that wasinspiring. 'cause they didn't
know that. Mm-hmm . Uh , peoplewith those disabilities can do
it. Mm-hmm . Hmm . Yeah. It ,it was, it , it was very good.
And we are actually talkingabout having , uh, adapted ,
commun , uh, adapted committeenow. Oh ,
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh , okay.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yes . So we can further develop it , uh, uh, in
Canada. Mm-hmm .
Just in B Seal . That's a greatlong-term goal. Yeah . Yeah .
,
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Do you have any other long-term goals? For
what, sorry? , Marlon.
I , we have the same at thesame time . Yeah . , we
share a brain, but Yeah. Do you, what is like your big dream
for this program?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I , I wanted to go like internationally . Yeah .
There's already aninternational committee, but so
far it hasn't gone to Canadayet. Mm-hmm . They're mainly
focusing on the European,European area , so mm-hmm
. So we want toget in there. So maybe one of
our, our , uh, people can, cango there and compete again.
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Intern great . Because the onewe competed on for Darl is not
actually part of our, of ourgroup, of our federation.
Mm-hmm . But theylet him go there because
there's nothing else Right. Forhim. So he, he was able to go
there and, and compete without, uh, with , with approval of
the federation. Mm-hmm .
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah . Well, that's, I mean, I'm glad that they
accepted Darryl, but it wouldbe great for other students
too, who would love to do that.
Um , do you have any advice forparents who are thinking about
maybe doing martial arts, butare nervous or haven't , don't
have any experience, never didit themselves. What should they
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do? What should they look for?
Um, to find a program?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Um, uh, they'll , they'll , uh, the first thing
they have to do is find an , aninstructor who has, yeah . You
know, they have empathy on themm-hmm . On the
students . So someone who wouldunderstand what the students
going through. Mm-hmm . In that way.
When they teach them the , thetechniques or whatever that is
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Yeah. They will, they, theywould understand mm-hmm
. Um, uh, ofcourse patience. Mm-hmm
. Patience is abig factor. You , you just ,
you have to let them go throughit on their own time, on , on
their own pace. Mm-hmm . Right. You
can't force them. Okay. Threemonths you have to do this .
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah .
Speaker 5 (21:00):
There's no time limit. Have to let them go.
Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (21:03):
. If
people listening, we have a lot
of listeners in and around BCif they wanted to connect with
you. You have, you have awebsite and you run a school.
Yeah . What would be the bestway to find out more about your
school?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Um , my website is dsa taekwondo.com mm-hmm
. But of coursethey can always contact the
SRF.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Totally. Yep . And we'll put a link, we'll put a
link on the episode page sothat people can find you. Um,
did you have anything else thatyou wanted to share about your
experiences together and doingthe father son team for
teaching TaeKwonDo? Has therebeen any big lessons for you as
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the father of this duo? Yeah .
Speaker 5 (21:48):
The main , the main thing for me is to let him,
'cause sometimes I wanna takeover everything. I wanna teach
everything. For me, it's toremind myself that he's there,
that he's willing to help, thathe's , uh, um, if I assign him
to do something, he will do it.
Mm-hmm . So , uh,it's just for me to remind
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myself that, oh, get Darryl todo this. .
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Mm-hmm
. Darrel, is there anything
else that you wanted to share?
What would you say to kids whowanna do TaeKwonDo?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Uh , uh, else ? You , she , this kid, he's a little
dragon. Um , it tell me to knowDon have it. How to like ,
teach to about ,
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Start with the little dragon. She mean the
small kids . Right.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
A small kid . Yeah .
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah . And teach them the patterns, is what I
heard. Yep . So do you think,Daryl, that kids should start
TaeKwonDo when they're littlealso so they can really learn
Start young?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah. They , it just kid. He , he's very good like
little girl. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah. I like it.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Start early. He's remembering one of, he's
remembering one of our little,little students there .
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But it's good though. It's good to start
early. Right. Lots to learn.
Mm-hmm . Youcan't get to your level
overnight. Gotta work reallyhard.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
He's actually the , uh, the early second degree
black belt in Canada. That'swhy it's hard for him to
compete here. Totally. Sothat's why we gotta get him to
the worlds. And I'm
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Gonna get you to Europe. Europe . We gonna get
you over across the pond. Is itstill part of your, every day ,
now that you're a second degreeblack belt, are you practicing
and working every day still?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Mm-hmm
. Yeah. Yeah . I have black
belt . Um , I have second blackbelt . Uh , hard , the hard try
. Uh , this , the , my body ,um, uh, , uh, the
very hard to do . Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (24:07):
.
Absolutely. There's not verymany people.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Second pattern. Yeah . He has three patterns. He has
to learn. Okay . Every time hegets a new degrees mm-hmm
. Okay. He's onhis second. Mm-hmm
.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's difficult. And those patterns of the sequences
are long. Right. It's a lot toremember. Mm-hmm . Great.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah . Awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Well, thank you you guys for taking the time to
talk to us today. We really,really appreciate it. I think a
lot of people, whether they'rein Canada, BC or you know,
people from around the worldlisten to this podcast. So I
hope somebody else , maybe I,KO to TaeKwonDo master might be
listening, be like, Hey, Daryl,you know, start a new program.
Maybe invite you over to achampionship. Yeah. But I think
it's really important forpeople to know, because I know
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as Marla and I, and a lot ofour colleagues here, we see
some of our students that seeus in TaeKwonDo and we see such
a massive change. Yeah . Somany new skills developed.
They're able to show us so manyother things and they carry
over in their environment, inother places. So, mm-hmm
. It's doing suchgreat work. So thank you so
much for, for doing that andfor adapting it and for
including everybody and forbeing such a great role model.
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Darryl. Pretty awesome. Thankyou. For agree to , to our
podcast today. I appreciate it,.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You're welcome.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Today on the low, down it down in podcast, darl
and Darius and Deia gives us alow down on T Quick Dough ,
four people Down syndrome. Overto you, Hannah , Marla .
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Thanks Danielle.
Hello everyone, and welcomeback to another episode of the
Low Down Podcast. My name'sMarla, and I'm joined here by
my co-host Hannah Mahmud . Hey,Hannah . Hi Marla. How are you?
I am good. I'm very excitedabout this . Today's episode
would be a good one. Yes . Veryexcited. Uh , on today's
episode, we'll be talking witha parent who started this
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really incredible program tohelp develop and support
students with Down Syndromephysically and mentally. So
today we're talking withDarius, who's a father of four.
We've got Dana , Daron,Darrell, and Darren , and he's
an artist in all aspects. Weare talking about literature.
He wrote a book called I TooCan Be Special Graphic Arts,
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visual Arts and PerformingArts. He's a dance member of
the Acapellas and plays pianoand cello as well as martial
arts. So that will be our focustoday. And Darius has a
Master's in businessadministration and a Bachelor's
of Science and computingScience with specialization in
computer tech. And he's a sixthdegree international
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instruction from theInternational TaeKwonDo
Federation. That's a big dealfor people listening. Yeah. Um
, and he is also a certifiedprivate pilot. Yeah . Get out
town. Okay . He do everything.
Yeah. A Renaissance man. And ,uh, Darius is joined today by
his son, Darrell. Darrell, whowe know fairly well. Um ,
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Darrell is a young adult whoattends classes here at the
DSRF, and Darryl also does abit of everything. He's big
into music and dancing. He hasa YouTube channel called The
Adventures of Super Darryl,which you can follow and like
and subscribe for sure. AndDarrell also is a black belt in
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TaeKwonDo and helps his dad runthe TaeKwonDo class. Welcome to
both of you. We're happy tohave you here on the lowdown.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Thank you. Good to be here. And , and thank you.
You too . Oh
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah , absolutely.
Great. So excited. Okay. SoDarius and Daryl, we have a
tradition before our interview,we like to ask our guests some
secret questions and they'requestions just so people can
get to know you better. So likeicebreakers. Are you guys
ready? Okay. Okay. What do youthink? Darrell? Okay. Darrell,
I'm gonna ask you this questionfirst. I heard that you are a
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big karaoke person. What isyour favorite karaoke song?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh , this is my favorite song. These are my
best Three boys. Oh ,
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Backstreet My Heart.
So, happy
Speaker 4 (03:02):
Yeah, I mean , um, um, this is my favorite. You
this ? Yeah . Go everybody.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh, everybody. Yes.
That's a good karaoke jam. Ibet that goes well with some
dance moves . Oh , so good.
Darryl. Darius, what about you?
Are you a karaoke person aswell?
Speaker 5 (03:18):
Oh yeah. The old family is actually, yeah .
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Who is your favorite travel buddy or group? Like
when you guys go for traveling,who do you like to go on trips
with?
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Uh , uh, uh, we are going to Philippines.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
You're gonna go to the Philippines? That's
exciting.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
Usually we all go.
Okay . But those , we
Speaker 3 (03:37):
All go, we all , yeah.
you're going that far. Right.
When you're going to thePhilippines, everyone will take
everyone along . Yeah . Are youexcited about that trick ,
Daryl?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
Um, yeah. Yeah . I can wait after long March . It
may have .
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Gotcha . Cool.
Awesome. I love it. In March.
Ooh . All right . Our lastquestion is, what is the best
concert or festival that you'veever been to? Darius? Did you
wanna try that one? Concert?
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
I like air supply.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Oh, plastic Air Supply . Yeah .
Speaker 5 (04:08):
That's High Voices .
Yeah .
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Me . That's awesome.
Uh , and Daryl , what's yourfavorite concert than you've
been to
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Concert ? Um , I think there , all of us , um,
me are brother and sister.
Mm-hmm
brother, he's Italian .
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Okay . That is a
Speaker 5 (04:27):
Goodly dancer .
Yeah. 'cause we , we did aconcert for fundraising, so, so
everybody performed on stage.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Your favorite concert was Your Bone Family
Concert. I love that. Yeah .
The AYA Group. That's awesome.
Very cool. And your brother ,you said your brother is a
dancer too? Oh , Darren likesto dance.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
He likes to dance.
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Are you teaching him some of your Mose because
you're a great dancer?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I need the dancer with Lolo . He's a pleasure .
And tell me, I, okay. So it'sbeen around. Gotcha,
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Gotcha.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
Oh ,
Speaker 3 (04:57):
The talent runs deep in this family. That's amazing.
Okay. So we're gonna kind ofnow start digging into our
topic about TaeKwonDo. Yeah .
Are you guys ready? Okay. Um,Darius, can you tell us a
little bit about how you gotstarted in TaeKwonDo? Like
where did that passion start?
Speaker 5 (05:12):
Long time.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
Speaker 5 (05:15):
Yeah . I started when I was 12. Um, uh, my , my
dad brought me to the, to theschool. The school is about
like two hours drive for Oh .
From where we lived . So ifwhen I go training, I would go
two hours to school, two hoursback, back. Yikes. So every
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time I go, it's two hours ,it's four hours.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
That's a big commitment Right. Off hours
beginning.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
So it's old .
Speaker 3 (05:40):
No , it's a day.
Yeah .
Speaker 5 (05:42):
So that was , uh, I was 12 so's more than four 40
years now . Yeah .
Speaker 3 (05:47):
That's awesome. And did you start in the
Philippines?
Speaker 5 (05:49):
I started, yeah .
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Amazing.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Uh, the training be over there is like very
serious, like old, old school .
Yeah. Yahoo. Yeah . Teaching .
But , uh, and then , um, so Igot up to second degree black
belt in the Philippines. Okay.
And then when I went to Canada, uh, I stopped for about 10
years. Okay. And then went toCanada. My kids asked me if I
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could start teaching them . Oh. So I restarted training, and
then we started in thebackyard, and then some of
their classmates came and we,we became a school. Yeah. Just
from that. And then the rest ishistory. The
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Rest is me . So how long have you had the actual
school now?
Speaker 5 (06:36):
Uh , from
Speaker 3 (06:37):
She started
Speaker 5 (06:38):
When ? 2008. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
2008 , uh, from Sury, and then we moved to
Vancouver . Gotcha .
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I see. And how many students do you have in the
Speaker 5 (06:46):
School? Right now?
We have about 70. Wow. That'sme . Yeah . Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And of course we know your wonderful son, Daryl.
Um, who we are all lucky toknow. Um, Darrel's, as Marla
mentioned, is also a TaeKwonDochampion at the world level.
Mm-hmm
. We're so proud of you, Daryl.
Um, and you also happened tohave Down Syndrome, right? So
when did you realize thatDarryl could not only
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participate in TaeKwonDo, butlike Excel at a world level?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
Um , when , when he was a lot younger, when while
we were teaching classes, hewould be in the back doing all
the moves. Yeah. Yeah. So hewould just mimic everyone what
they're doing. Yeah. You , andthen after that, around , uh,
nine years old, he startedtraining. Okay . And then yeah.
He, he would just take it in.
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Yeah. And , uh, 'cause youknow, we have , uh, like three
other black belts in thefamily. Yeah . So we just, we
just , we just , uh, help himout every day . It's every day
, every night. Mm-hmm
him on site and he, he takes itin. Yeah. Mm-hmm
. He , he , he , he doesn'tquit. That's, that's the good
thing about him. He doesn'tquit Pretty help . Every time
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we, we do a criticism on him,we just take it in and then
practice more, which is good.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I actually remember you guys practicing a long time
ago. I think you were waitingfor therapy and you guys would
practice outside in the front.
Um, oh , by the parking lot. Iremember that. And Daryl , even
at that time, you must havebeen about 10 maybe. Yeah. Um,
you were really serious aboutit and really committed to it
(08:31):
as a pretty young kid, whichwas just really cool to see.
And look where you are now.
It's awesome. Darl . Darrell,what do you like about
TaeKwonDo?
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Um , this one , is this one at Tado Championship?
Um , no . I'm here in NewZealand.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Oh, you went to a world championship in New
Zealand? Yeah . Hmm . That's abig trip. That's a big trip.
But that's pretty big on a biglevel. Right? So do you like
TaeKwonDo because you get goodexercise or because you feel
really focused? Like, what doyou feel when you do TaeKwonDo?
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Um, um, I actually , uh, um, I working, if I listen
Breaking a board in the half ,
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Breaking the board in half. So that's one of the
things you like aboutTaeKwonDo. 'cause you can use
your strength and show youramazing strength. You can break
a board in half.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Hate elbow. This real boring , got the woods .
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Got it. Mm-hmm . So you like the physical part of
it where you could really useyour strength, huh? Right .
Yeah. That's awesome. What aresome of the other championships
you want ? So you went to NewZealand, I know you've won some
provincial stuff in bc. Can youtell us about another
championship that you, that youhave , um, gotten medals in?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Um, yeah. Only have I , these are like two, two
gold medals that have severalbronzes . Okay . Um , that I'm
using myself. Silver
Speaker 3 (10:07):
And bronze. Okay.
Yep .
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Um , yep . I show them and I study number one.
That's so cool. Him and me anddaddy. He , we fight on the
stage. Yeah . Very that mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (10:23):
together, like a demonstration.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah. He's only , you won . He's the gold medals.
He ,
Speaker 3 (10:31):
He's gold medals. I think you are too. It was ,
Speaker 5 (10:33):
Uh , it was actually a part of the, it's , it's part
of the competition. Okay.
There's one with DO syndromeand Yeah . Not do syndrome, but
one with disabilities . Mm-hmm
without, then we , we would dosomething on stage . Yeah. And
, uh, it was really good. He ,uh, he actually leveled up the
Wow . The standards. I
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Bet you did. Of course you did. Mm-hmm
run up , um, family run, youalways do a demonstration. And
I, every time you're doing ademonstration, all eyes are you
guys , I can see little kidsjust looking like, oh my gosh,
I wish I could do that. Sothose demonstrations are so
phenomenal to watch. And Ithink it gives lots of other
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people ideas on how coolTaeKwonDo is. Right. Darryl, do
you like doing thosedemonstrations for other
people?
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Um , any people is what do you from us Yeah. A
recording with it together.
Yeah,
Speaker 3 (11:27):
They are . They do record it. That's true. Do you,
do you feel nervous about it?
Or is it kind of an excitingthing? How do you feel about
it?
Speaker 4 (11:34):
Actually , we are exciting that we have , yeah .
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I do have the feeling that you like to be on
stage. I do. I've seen you do alot of dancing, so that doesn't
really surprise me. You don'tget nervous, you're ready to
perform. Yep . Ever . Right ?
Mm-hmm
That's awesome. Mm-hmm . Um,Darius, what is your philosophy
around martial arts for, forpeople with disabilities
especially?
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Um, the main thing for me is that they get to try
it. Mm-hmm
fears about getting hurt ,things like that. Yeah. Uh , I
encourage everyone to just giveit a try. It's good for them
physically. Yeah. And also ,um, uh, gives them
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self-confidence when they, whenthey achieve something. Mm-hmm
would allow them to show their, uh, show them what they,
what, what they can, yeah .
What they can do. So, yeah.
Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Yeah . Have you heard from parents , um, after
they've had , um, their kids inyour classes, any differences
that they've seen in their kidsat all? Yes. Yeah. Parents have
kind of come back and said, youwere right.
heard a lot . Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:46):
I've got a good, I've got a lot of good reviews.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Any
at all. Yeah. That's reallygreat. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (12:54):
And for people who are listening, I mean, part of
the reason why we know a littlebit about this already is that
there's a TaeKwonDo class thatruns out of here, out of the
clinic space. Um, and it runsevery week. And can you guys
tell us a little bit about howthat got started? How did you
get here?
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Uh , we started, I think we got invited to perf ,
uh, do a one week camp. Oh,yeah. Yeah . We started from
there. And then we had somepeople who were interested. So
we didn't decided, okay, let'smake this , uh, a regular
things mm-hmm
They made it a , a once a weekclass. Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (13:33):
We have It is a jet . Yeah . Oh , yeah . Enough
space for everybody. Now we'rerunning outta space
And for, I'm hoping thatthere's other TaeKwonDo masters
who aren't listening to this.
Maybe there are. And so theywould want to know, I suppose,
what do you change or how doyou adapt the class to make
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sure that everybody's learning, um, to the best of their
abilities?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
Yeah . Um , I've been doing this to the, to the,
with, with the other schools inour federation that I've been
encouraged them to use my, myprogram. Mm-hmm
Um , 'cause right now there'sno , uh, formal program for
adapted . So, which I , I'vedeveloped once mm-hmm
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everyone. And so that when wemeet at competition, everybody
knows the same, at the samelevel. Right . Right . So I've
been , um, it's mostly aboutadapting, the , adapting the
program to what they can do.
Mm-hmm
(14:40):
uh, intellectual part of theprogram. Mm-hmm
Can do much of that if there'san intellectual disability.
Mm-hmm
can't do too much of thephysical mm-hmm
So we have to adapt it so thatthey can , um, they can show
what they can do. Mm-hmm
example, they're , they're on a, they're on a wheelchair
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mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Walking not relevant, but Yeah .
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Yeah . So they, they should do the arm movements.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Yep . So it sounds like it's pretty customized for
every person who joins and whocomes. You are really focusing
on, I guess, the positives ofwhat they're able to do and
really maximizing those things.
Um , so when you guys have theclass here, you're teaching it
together, it looks like. So I'mreally curious, Darryl, what do
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you think your job is in theclass? What's your role?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Uh , uh, this is my job.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
What do you do during class?
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Um , uh, actually , um, I feel my job , uh, I had
to learn a bit on that .
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Mm-hmm
and lots of the people in theclass, I think they're white
belts and maybe some yellowbelts in the class. And so
you're teaching them some ofthe skills Right. With your
dad. And so are you focused onarm movements or leg movements
or like a sequence puttingthings together?
Speaker 4 (16:19):
Um , yeah. That it is helping me , uh, uh, a
syndrome student . Um , it ishelping for them. He , daddy
tell me mm-hmm . Yeah . Mymm-hmm . Stretch up down my
leg. Yeah . Um , I mean , sir ,he's very good for and is value
(16:43):
from us. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Learning from you, right? Yeah. I was just , yeah
. I got , Aaron's been on thispodcast, so I'm sure you would
love a shout out .
Um, sorry , I was just gonnaask Daryl , like, it must feel
really good when you have,'cause you have some students
that are younger than you inthe class, so they're looking
up to you and learning fromyou. So you're like a role
model that , that must feelreally good for you.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
Yeah. They feel , uh, anyway , way .
Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, no, totally.
Of course . Mm-hmm
when you guys are teaching theclass, it's really helpful when
you can demonstrate things forthe students. And I've seen
that you show them reallycarefully a lot of the moves.
And it's often both of youtogether so that they
understand what they'resupposed to be doing. Do you
like doing that part?
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Um , do is a part of ,
Speaker 3 (17:28):
It's part of it there . Yeah. Sure is. There's
also setting up the room, whichyou're also very helpful about.
Yeah. Is they put down mats forsafety and very heavy and very
big mats. Yeah . Yeah. It's alot of work. Yep . Yeah . Done
for sure. Yeah. And one eventthat we wanted to talk about
here was the championships thatwere held in Vernon last year.
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So you guys led severalstudents to participate in the
TaeKwonDo championships inVernon. And the level of
excitement around here washuge. Uh, what was that like to
take so many students to thatevent?
Speaker 5 (18:06):
That was ver that was very exciting. 'cause that
was the first time on anational event Yeah. That we
had our students go in and, and, uh, the masters, the grandmas
were there. They were able tosee them perform mm-hmm
, uh, parents come to us andtell us that was really, really
(18:30):
exciting. And that wasinspiring. 'cause they didn't
know that. Mm-hmm . Uh , peoplewith those disabilities can do
it. Mm-hmm . Hmm . Yeah. It ,it was, it , it was very good.
And we are actually talkingabout having , uh, adapted ,
commun , uh, adapted committeenow. Oh ,
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Oh , okay.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yes . So we can further develop it , uh, uh, in
Canada. Mm-hmm
Just in B Seal . That's a greatlong-term goal. Yeah . Yeah .
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Do you have any other long-term goals? For
what, sorry?
I , we have the same at thesame time . Yeah .
share a brain, but Yeah. Do you, what is like your big dream
for this program?
Speaker 5 (19:08):
I , I wanted to go like internationally . Yeah .
There's already aninternational committee, but so
far it hasn't gone to Canadayet. Mm-hmm . They're mainly
focusing on the European,European area , so mm-hmm
our, our , uh, people can, cango there and compete again.
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Intern great . Because the onewe competed on for Darl is not
actually part of our, of ourgroup, of our federation.
Mm-hmm
there's nothing else Right. Forhim. So he, he was able to go
there and, and compete without, uh, with , with approval of
the federation. Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah . Well, that's, I mean, I'm glad that they
accepted Darryl, but it wouldbe great for other students
too, who would love to do that.
Um , do you have any advice forparents who are thinking about
maybe doing martial arts, butare nervous or haven't , don't
have any experience, never didit themselves. What should they
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do? What should they look for?
Um, to find a program?
Speaker 5 (20:19):
Um, uh, they'll , they'll , uh, the first thing
they have to do is find an , aninstructor who has, yeah . You
know, they have empathy on themm-hmm
students . So someone who wouldunderstand what the students
going through. Mm-hmm
When they teach them the , thetechniques or whatever that is
(20:40):
Yeah. They will, they, theywould understand mm-hmm
you have to let them go throughit on their own time, on , on
their own pace. Mm-hmm
can't force them. Okay. Threemonths you have to do this .
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah .
Speaker 5 (21:00):
There's no time limit. Have to let them go.
Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (21:03):
of listeners in and around BCif they wanted to connect with
you. You have, you have awebsite and you run a school.
Yeah . What would be the bestway to find out more about your
school?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
Um , my website is dsa taekwondo.com mm-hmm
SRF.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Totally. Yep . And we'll put a link, we'll put a
link on the episode page sothat people can find you. Um,
did you have anything else thatyou wanted to share about your
experiences together and doingthe father son team for
teaching TaeKwonDo? Has therebeen any big lessons for you as
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the father of this duo? Yeah .
Speaker 5 (21:48):
The main , the main thing for me is to let him,
'cause sometimes I wanna takeover everything. I wanna teach
everything. For me, it's toremind myself that he's there,
that he's willing to help, thathe's , uh, um, if I assign him
to do something, he will do it.
Mm-hmm
(22:09):
myself that, oh, get Darryl todo this.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Mm-hmm
else that you wanted to share?
What would you say to kids whowanna do TaeKwonDo?
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Uh , uh, else ? You , she , this kid, he's a little
dragon. Um , it tell me to knowDon have it. How to like ,
teach to about ,
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Start with the little dragon. She mean the
small kids . Right.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
A small kid . Yeah .
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Yeah . And teach them the patterns, is what I
heard. Yep . So do you think,Daryl, that kids should start
TaeKwonDo when they're littlealso so they can really learn
Start young?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Yeah. They , it just kid. He , he's very good like
little girl. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Yeah. I like it.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Start early. He's remembering one of, he's
remembering one of our little,little students there .
Speaker 3 (23:13):
But it's good though. It's good to start
early. Right. Lots to learn.
Mm-hmm
overnight. Gotta work reallyhard.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
He's actually the , uh, the early second degree
black belt in Canada. That'swhy it's hard for him to
compete here. Totally. Sothat's why we gotta get him to
the worlds. And I'm
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Gonna get you to Europe. Europe . We gonna get
you over across the pond. Is itstill part of your, every day ,
now that you're a second degreeblack belt, are you practicing
and working every day still?
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Mm-hmm
belt . Um , I have second blackbelt . Uh , hard , the hard try
. Uh , this , the , my body ,um, uh,
very hard to do . Mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Absolutely. There's not verymany people.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Second pattern. Yeah . He has three patterns. He has
to learn. Okay . Every time hegets a new degrees mm-hmm
Speaker 3 (24:21):
It's difficult. And those patterns of the sequences
are long. Right. It's a lot toremember. Mm-hmm . Great.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Yeah . Awesome.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Well, thank you you guys for taking the time to
talk to us today. We really,really appreciate it. I think a
lot of people, whether they'rein Canada, BC or you know,
people from around the worldlisten to this podcast. So I
hope somebody else , maybe I,KO to TaeKwonDo master might be
listening, be like, Hey, Daryl,you know, start a new program.
Maybe invite you over to achampionship. Yeah. But I think
it's really important forpeople to know, because I know
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as Marla and I, and a lot ofour colleagues here, we see
some of our students that seeus in TaeKwonDo and we see such
a massive change. Yeah . Somany new skills developed.
They're able to show us so manyother things and they carry
over in their environment, inother places. So, mm-hmm
much for, for doing that andfor adapting it and for
including everybody and forbeing such a great role model.
(25:14):
Darryl. Pretty awesome. Thankyou. For agree to , to our
podcast today. I appreciate it,
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Thank you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
You're welcome.
Thanks for coming.
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