034 GET UNSTUCK AND THRIVE THROUGH CHALLENGES!: The Philosophy Of Fitness Ep. 24

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Cody (00:16):
Hi, this is Cody Limbaugh.
And

Tali (00:17):
I'm Tali Zabari, and you're listening to the
Philosophy of Fitness podcast onthe

Cody (00:22):
Lyceum network.

Tali (00:43):
Hey, honey.
Hey, babe.
Happy Saturday.
Mm-hmm.
and New Year's Eve.

Cody (00:49):
Yeah, we, you're giving away our

Tali (00:51):
timeline.
I know.
I think it's cool that we'rewell ahead, don't you,

Cody (00:55):
I suppose.
Yeah.
These are Evergreen podcasts.
After all.

Tali (00:59):
Yes.
So for those of you who arelistening really, really far
into the future, it's New Year'sEve for 2023.

Cody (01:08):
but the information is forever relevant.

Tali (01:11):
Yeah.
Well, I hope that we eventuallygo over some of these episodes
and elaborate more.
The more that we learn, the morethat we experience, the more we
coach.

Cody (01:18):
There's definitely a couple that we've already talked
about doing even during theepisode.
Yeah.
I think the Meta podcast was oneof'em.
It was a long podcast, butthere's just so much to explore
and, and self ownership.
There's a couple of big conceptsthat we definitely talked about
revisiting.

Tali (01:33):
Did you notice that we were, when we were looking
through our topic list today,there was another one that
pretty much paralleled the metaepisode.
It was something about transfer.
Yeah.
Which sounds a lot likecarryover.
Carryover, yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, that definitely likethat.
Lightning struck twice for sure.
Yeah.

Cody (01:52):
Yeah.
Well, our in case you're new tothe podcast, the.
Whole idea behind this podcastis that Tali and I are writing a
book, and so you are actuallygetting behind the scenes into
the writing process of that bookbecause we have outlined many of
the chapters that we want toinclude in the Philosophy of
Fitness, which is a book aboutthe carryover process of the

(02:17):
lessons we've learned from thegym life and training and
coaching, and how to apply someof these.
Perhaps universal principles toother areas of life.
And this podcast is anopportunity for us to flesh out
those ideas to include into thebook, edit it Down, and you're
getting to be a part of thatconversation.

Tali (02:39):
Yeah.
Welcome.
I, I like to think of it as ourrough draft and a way of
combining our voices throughconversation, because I didn't
really want a book that wasgonna be Cody's section, T'S
section, Cody's section.
Yeah.
I just thought that that wouldmake for a really annoying read.
And so this is a way that youand I can see where we overlap
and where we agree and then seewhere we.

(03:04):
Diverge in contrast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So today's icebreaker, I hadactually given Cody a little bit
of time to think about thisahead of this recording, and
it's about gym superstitions.
I think if you've been a part ofany sort of gym community for.
Oh, a good long while you startto pick up that there are just

(03:26):
some things that people don't doin the gym.
And I, I would chalk it up tosuperstition.
What do you think?

Cody (03:33):
There's definitely that the first one.
Do you want want just go intoit?

Tali (03:37):
Yeah.
Like I would also wanna justlike analyze any other oddities
that we find, like otherpeople's superstitions, cuz I
can think of a couple that Idon't buy into.

Cody (03:47):
Yeah.
Well the first one that came tomind when you mentioned that is
that there are people who arevery adamant about.
Training plates, and this isparticularly true in the Iron
world, not so much inweightlifting, okay?
Because when you have coloredbumpers, it doesn't matter.
But in the Iron world with powerlifting and body building, et
cetera, when you load a barbell,most iron is only labeled on one

(04:10):
side.
Okay?
And some people swear you shouldhave numbers in on the barbell.
Ew, I hate that.
And some people swear that youshould have numbers out on the
barbell and that there's just aright way and a wrong way.
Of course, it doesn't fuckingmatter which way the plate is
flipped on the bar.
As long as it's in the rightposition, it's gonna weigh the

(04:32):
same.
It's gonna weigh the same, it'sgonna feel the same.
But some people are verysuperstitious about that, I
would say.

Tali (04:38):
Are you in any or an Audi who Oh, an Audi Me too course.
Yeah.
You have to be able to see whatthe numbers are.
Yeah, I mean, I guess the sizeof the plate also gives away
what it is.

Cody (04:47):
It does with iron.
But it's also like, well, peoplewho say that it should be in you
are in when you're.
When you're lifting the barbell,so you can look to the side and
see the number facing you.

Tali (04:57):
You should not be looking to the side when you're lifting
anyway.
Oh my gosh, I hate that one.
So you, apparently you're susuperstitious then about that,
say preference.
You have a strong opinion aboutit, Yeah,

Cody (05:10):
but I think superstition goes beyond just preference.
Superstition is almost thinkingthat there's gonna be like a
repercussion if you do it thequote unquote wrong way.
Yeah.
Special songs in this life oranother.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In weightlifting there, I can'tremember.
I wanted say it was maybe coachBergner who instilled this,

(05:32):
which I don't abide by it atall, but there was a, a
superstition that you shouldnever walk over a bar, always
around it.
Mm-hmm.
So if you're needing to get tothe other side for whatever
reason, like you will take thelong way around.
You will never step.
over a bar, and I think I didthis unconsciously for many
years, but I don't know, I justget to point A to point B as

(05:57):
efficiently as possible.
So especially in our tiny gym.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I guess, or, you know, Lorenz'sgym in Portland.
Yeah.
That really overly stuffed,super cool power lifting gym.
Yeah.
You absolutely have to step overyour bar.
Mm-hmm.
there's no way around it.
It's so tightly packed.
I remember lifting on a platformthat had some sort of machine on

(06:19):
the back and like weights on thesides.
And so I was lifting in like, Idon't know, two square feet of
space.
Yep.
So, yeah, you have to makeadjustments there.
So those are, that's one thatI've heard of, but I don't
really abide by it.
Do you have any that you believein?

(06:40):
Mm, I'm not a very superstitiousperson.
I do think though, that there's,so the, I've read a lot of books
on the psychology of habits andthat kind of thing.
I'm still reading right now.
Mm-hmm.
in fact, James Clear's bookAtomic Habits.
But I believe it was in Doug'sbook, the Power of Habit,
perhaps that they talk aboutroutines and superstitions and

(07:04):
actually the value ofsuperstitions.
So sometimes sports teams whohave superstitions.
It actually helps prepare themind for the task that you're
about to do because you'reassociating a superstition with
the task.
Totally.
And it actually brings up, youknow, these certain dendrites
are activated in the brain thatare following the same pattern

(07:24):
for the performance that youwant to have.
So even though the superstitionis not real, believing it
actually does help yourperformance.
Makes sense.
Yeah.
It's an odd thing.
So like, there's that scene inRudy when they're all about to
go out onto the field and itshows the team going through the
hallways and they all like slapthe fighting Irish symbol above

(07:48):
the hallway and every personslaps it on their way by.
And there's like all theseroutines, but those, even though
it's a superstition and it's notreal, Having those routines does
help prepare the mind for thetask that you are about to do.

Tali (08:02):
Are rituals different than superstitions?
Like is the superstition thebelief behind the ritual?
Because I have a lot of rituals.
Yeah.
But I don't know if I can backit up with like any kind of s

Cody (08:17):
Well, that's what I was superstition kind of indicating
is that like, I guesssuperstition is sort of like
attributing some sort ofspiritual aspect to it, if you
will, or some sort of likeexternal force that's getting
involved.
Whereas routine can be just anacknowledgement that I know I'm
preparing myself for this task.

Tali (08:36):
Why didn't say routine?
I said ritual.
I

Cody (08:38):
feel like that's different.
Well, same thing.
I mean, no, I think it's thesame thing in, in the context of
what we're talking about.
So like for instance, I used tobefore heavy lifts and I
probably, I just haven't beenlifting that heavy lately.
But before really heavy lift, Iwould sort of stomp my feet.
Mm-hmm.
But, and, and take a couple ofbig deep breaths and really grip

(09:00):
the bar.
And, but the thing is, is thatdoing that, I'm also tensioning
my body, like there's actually anervous system purpose for doing
these things.
Yeah.
Even though it looks veryritualistic and maybe
superstitious even.
But the truth is, if I don't dothat, I don't feel like my body
is quite prepared to do that onerep max back squat.

(09:21):
You know, if I don't like, stompmy feet before I get the bar and
that kind of thing.
So it's kind of a funny paradigmthere.

Tali (09:28):
Hmm.
Yeah, because I, I guess when Ithink about rituals, I think of
it being almost further removed,like something that really
doesn't make sense.
Even though it might prime youto perform a certain way because
it becomes routine after awhile.
I feel like the origins mightnot make sense to begin with.
What are you talking about?
Well, so.

(09:50):
The evening before every meet, Iwould do the exact same thing.
And you probably have witnessedit many times, but it was many
year.
You're Disney new cartoon.
Yes.
So So I would stop eating ataround six o'clock the day
before for weigh-ins the nextday.
And to keep myself occupied.
I would watch Lilo and Stitch.
I just really love that movie.

(10:11):
It has a lot of Elvis tunes init, and I just thought that that
was like a comfort thing.
But I would also wear a certaint-shirt every single time.
And I've never worn this t-shirtother than the night before a
meet.
And it's in my closet, like Isee it all the time.
It's in my gym drawer and Ithink about wearing it, but I

(10:33):
will never reach for it because.
especially reserved for thenight before a meet.
It has, it says six for six onit.
Mm-hmm.
and it has somebody lifting onit.
And six for six means that youcomplete six out of six lifts.
Mm-hmm.
that you're allotted incompetition.
And that is a great day.
Mm-hmm.
even if you don't win, if you gosix for six, you've done your

(10:55):
job, you've done your job well.
And so I would always do that.
I don't kick the bar either

Cody (11:03):
to put, to move it around.

Tali (11:05):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I just have always seenthat as kind of like a
disrespect to the equipment Andit's interesting because USA
Weightlifting actually made arule, or maybe I w f did.
I don't know on what level thisrule stands, but in the last.
Five, seven years, they actuallymade a rule that you couldn't

(11:26):
kick the bar on the platform.
It would be like a penaltyagainst you.
Hmm.
And I loved that cuz I alwaysthought it was like, you know,
there, like you were talkingabout like the stomping of your
feet before a meat or before alift.
Mm-hmm.
there are a lot doucher ritualsthat are out there that people
will do before they pick up thebar.

(11:46):
Yeah.
That's just like a lot of, it'sjust a lot of noise to me.
Me, honestly.
A lot of bravado, a lot ofbravado.
I know that it serves a purpose,but to an outsider it's just
like that's not necessary.
you can like totally get thesame performance without being a
douche about it or like creatinga spectacle.
Yeah, I remember watchingsomebody lift and it was kind of

(12:09):
early in my competing days and Iwas just kind of like observing
other lifters and how theyhandled themselves on the
platform.
And man, there was this guy whoused to just.
scream like, ah, like, yeah,roar or bark.
There was somebody who used tobark like a dog.
Mm-hmm.
And when you miss a lift afterhaving done that, it's like all

(12:29):
you did was fucking bark upthere.
like yeah, I'm sure you put inall sorts of effort to actually
get the bar over your head, but,oh man, there's just something
about like, I don't know, Ijust, I find it so cringey.
and so

Cody (12:45):
I guess choose your rituals well, early on, I guess
once they're, I guess oncethey're ingrained then they
become more and more necessaryto get this.

Tali (12:53):
Yeah.
They're really hard to changewhen you.
if you, if you have somethingstuck there.
Yeah.
Well, this isn't the

Cody (12:59):
topic of today's podcast, of

Tali (13:01):
course.
No, it's not.
But it could be, but it

Cody (13:03):
actually could be a totally new topic.
Yeah.
But it actually does have, a lotof it does carry over to other
areas because there are manypeople who are authors, for
instance, who have certainrituals before they sit down to
write.
And those rituals are notrelated to writing, but prepare
the mind for the task thatthey're about to do because it's
become a ritual.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think rituals areimportant.

(13:24):
I mean, I think that's, I'm nota religious person as far as any
sort of organized religion,spirituality type situation.
But I think that one of thevalues of a lot of organized
religions is that they bringritual to people's lives.
And I think you're a goodexample of that.
You know, I wouldn't consideryou a religious person.

(13:44):
But we do practice a few Jewishtraditions here and there, and I
think there's value to that injust recognizing, like Shabbat
for instance, it's like, youknow, even though we are not
very consistent at it, I can seehow it could be a, a valuable
ritual to just bring awarenessto like the end of the week, the

(14:07):
a day of rest coming up, or, youknow, whatever that is.
Isn't that wild?
You know, that, that, thatlighting of the candles and a
small prayer, it, it's like, itshifts your mind.
It really shifts where you'rethinking and where your focus
is, and it just brings you ininto a little bit of presence.
So I can see a lot of value inhaving rituals like that, even
though I don't ascribe to like asky daddy, to, to, to pray it to

Tali (14:30):
That's funny that you bring up Shabbat because Yes,
that's definitely a ritualthat's supposed to signify, you
know, the entrance into the dayof rest.
Mm-hmm.
and.
I've always thought aboutShabbat as a day of all these
things that I wasn't allowed todo.
like wasn't allowed to go tofootball games with my friends,
or if I was at my grandparents'house, we weren't allowed to do

(14:51):
real.
Like we really couldn't doanything.
You couldn't use anythingelectronic.
You couldn't switch the lightson or off.
You couldn't cook, you couldn'twrite, you couldn't cut your
nails.
Like all sorts of seeminglysilly things that you're
supposed to like rest hardcoreand like pray to God.
And now, especially this week,having been off and trying to

(15:14):
lean into the idea of rest orvacation or whatever I wanna
welcome that so much more toreally honor like, okay, this is
a day of rest and nothing else.
You push that a lot more than Ido.
Mm-hmm.
often you've said, I want a daythat we really don't do anything
that we have to.
Yeah.
But it's so hard.

(15:35):
Something always leaks in thehouse, needs cleaning, some, you
know, food needs prepping forthe week.
Mm-hmm.
something,

Cody (15:41):
something.
That's why I usually want to tryto schedule those things because
it requires prep.
You know, I make sure that myprogramming is done for all my
clients in advance so that Idon't have to rush around at the
last minute before their workoutis due.
You know, that kind of thing.
And, and the more you can prep,then the better you can feel
about taking that break.
So it has to be somethingplanned and intentional in order

(16:03):
to be restful because if youjust like take the day off and
you know you have shit to do, itdoesn't feel good

Tali (16:09):
No it doesn't.
I guess I just wonder if like,operating at a lower frequency
more consistently is better thanhaving an on and off switch.
the two extremes.
Mm-hmm.
feel extreme.
Mm-hmm.
all or nothing.

Cody (16:23):
Yeah.
I get that.

Tali (16:25):
I'm always wondering about that kind of stuff.

Cody (16:27):
Yeah.
It's a, it's a tough one for methough, because I feel like
trying to do a consistency everyday of your life situation where
you're never taking a whole dayoff kind of gets to be a little
weary.
Weary something.
Yeah.
Just knowing that there's alwaysthis thing that has to be done
or whatever.

Tali (16:48):
I did think of another superstition.
It wasn't really long lived.
I probably did it for a year ortwo and it might have dipped in
since we got together because Istill have a pair of these
socks, I used to wear mycoaches' socks during a meet.
Right.
And I think the idea behind thatwas like, Just trying to like

(17:10):
internalize like what my coachwould say to me.
And it's like a part of them islike up there with me on the
platform even though they'relike shouting at me from like
stage side 15 feet away, right?
Yeah.
But yeah, that was like a weirdthing.
My coach and I were really tightat one point.
We were the same age and we hadlike a lot of sa like same
favorite movies and one of thosewas air Bud and one of the kids

(17:33):
has like Scotty Pippin's OrangePeel in his shoe And so we
thought it would be cool tolike, what if we got Donnie
Shankles Banana Peel?
Like it was a dream to haveanything of Donnie Shankles at
the time.
Still is.
But yeah, I think that it mighthave been born out of that cuz I
was just rifling through ourlaundry and saw his old.

(17:56):
I still have them.
Sounds a little stalkerish.
Stalkerish, yeah.
Of like having something ofDonnie Shankles.

Cody (18:01):
Yeah.
You want a little hair clippingor something?

Tali (18:03):
I'm okay with that.
like, absolutely.
He's so inaccessible and he'sthe greatest of all time and so
handsome.
I hope you're listening.
Donnie Call me.

Cody (18:13):
So this podcast now that we're almost 20 minutes in, is
not about anything that we'vetalked about so far.
No, it's not.
I've totally forgotten.
But it actually I guess sort ofis because we've, we are talking
today about the need forresistance in our lives and I
guess we touched on a couple ofthose things just in our

(18:34):
conversation here.
But I think that there's anatural tendency, there's a
conservation of energy, if youwill, for us to want to avoid
hard things and.
Hard things are necessary.
So it's, it's actually a law ofnature.
I actually put that at the topof my list to talk about is that

(18:56):
this need for resistance is alaw of nature that we see all
around us, you know, in agreenhouse.
For those of you who don't know,if you, for instance, grow fruit
in a greenhouse situation it'snecessary to put fans in the
greenhouse that is notnecessarily there to circulate
air or gases or anything thatpeople might suspect.

(19:18):
What that is, is actually tocreate artificial wind, because
if your fruit trees are notexposed to the resistance of
wind blowing around theirbranches, the branches don't
grow strong enough to hold itsown fruit.
Hmm.
And so you can actually keep thefruit on the tree properly if
you have lots of fans in thereblowing the branches around.

(19:39):
And that movement that the treemust resistant against actually
creates a stronger tree.

Tali (19:45):
I'm so glad you started with that analogy.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (19:48):
So perfect.
Yeah.
And I actually had another one,which is a little different
realm, which is astronauts.
Once, oh, once people startedspending a little more time in
space, we realized that, youknow, they'd come back and their
bones would have lostsignificant density and calcium
that would leak, you know, fromtheir bones in space.

(20:09):
And that's because there's nogravity.
They don't have resistance onthe bones.
And even in the, in a matter ofweek, a week or so, their bones
would become more

Tali (20:20):
brittle.
It's like being

Cody (20:21):
bedridden, huh?
Yes.
And so, you know, those earlyastronauts would have to be sort
of like, brought in on astretcher.
Oh, shit.
Because they couldn't stand up,that kind of thing.
And so, oh, I thought

Tali (20:30):
we didn't see the right

Cody (20:31):
stuff.
We were gonna, it's like a threeand a half hour movie, so, the
solution to that is to createartificial resistance.
And so if you're in a lowgravity situation, you can't
obviously run on a treadmill.
But the way they figured thatout is they just, they put these
like harnesses on them withrubber bands that hold them down

(20:52):
onto the treadmill.
And so they're overcoming theresistance of those stretchy
rubber bands to create anartificial, you know, impact.
And so, you know, for a lot ofthe time, a long time in the
eighties, there's this likeemphasis on low impact, this,
low impact that like low impactexercise is so good for you,
right?
And it, that's actually nottrue.

(21:13):
You have to have impact in orderto build strong bones and
calcium absorption.
It's kind of, I mean, I'm kindof getting into the weeds here,
but like calcium absorption isgreater when you take calcium in
conjunction with magnesium andvitamin D.
However, the greatest factorthat determines your calcium

(21:37):
absorption is impact on yourbones resistance.
So jumping rope, jumping onboxes.
Boxing.
Boxing Yeah.
Yeah.
Hitting, hitting a heavy bag.
Those impact exercises that wewere taught was bad for you for
20 years are actually reallynecessary for you to grow strong
bones and to absorb calcium

(21:58):
maximally.

Tali (21:58):
Yeah, I think that low impact stuff is, I think, more
important to consider.
Like if you are already in aposition of.
Like having bad joints.
Mm-hmm.
which doesn't mean you don'tneed the impact, you just need
to manage it.
Yeah.
You can't eradicate it entirely.

(22:19):
But, you know, working as aCrossFit coach, you work with
all different kinds of people,different ages skill level and
backgrounds and you know,everybody's expected to do the
same thing or a version of thesame thing.
And things like box jumps wereno exception.
I would prefer somebody to do avery low jump, like onto a plate

(22:43):
mm-hmm.
than I would for them to try tomatch the prescribed box height
and do a step up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Cody (22:50):
It depends on the stimulus that you're looking for in that
particular workout.
And a good coach will understandwhat that stimulus is and try to
modify appropriately.

Tali (22:57):
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
I used to always want to coachthat way.
I know I've talked to you aboutthis, but we haven't talked
about it on the podcast.
I.
Had always tried to squeeze itinto my classes, even my very
like scheduled and full ofprogramming classes that really
didn't give a lot of room forgreat coaching, but I really

(23:18):
wanted to be able to educate myclientele or my classes, the
point of these exercises or thepoint of this couplet or the
point of this mm-hmm.
structure of the workout andwhat you should be aiming for as
a, as your, for your output asopposed to just fucking living
through it.
Like, this is where I want youto be able to speed up.

(23:40):
Mm-hmm.
this is where I want you to beable to put maximum effort.
There's all these differentdemands that are underlying
these movements that never getto be talked about.
Mm-hmm.
and I find that to be theinteresting part.

Cody (23:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I did try to do that in my gym.
Probably not consistently forthe whole, you know, 18 years
that I ran it, but I rememberputting that sort of in the
coach's notes of the workout oron the whiteboard at, at the
beginning of the day, like whatthe stimulus is intended for.
You know, we want you to, wewant this to be a 20 minute

(24:13):
cardio burn, so don't try to dothe prescribed pull-ups if
you're only getting one at atime.
You know?
Right.
You wanna modify those.
Even if you can do'emprescribed, you wanna modify'em
so that you're really moving forthe 20 minutes.
Cuz this is meant to be ametabolic conditioning workout,
not a pull-up strength workout.

Tali (24:30):
Well, when I got into programming, not all gyms that I
worked for, let me, but when Idid get into programming, I used
to almost write them with thoseintentions.
Mm-hmm.
like there would almost be apenalty if you went about it the
wrong way.

Cody (24:47):
Right, like, like if you don't get to a certain number of
rounds by a certain time, youhave to do burpees or something.

Tali (24:52):
Yes.
Or like you just learn a reallyhard lesson.
Like there was a workout that Iused to prescribe, it was like a
running Karen.
So I think, what is it, 150 wallballs.
A hundred and something wallballs.
But anytime that they put theball down, they would have to go
run a 200 or something.
And so, you know, people who cando Karen, well get big bites of

(25:16):
reps.
Yeah.
Twenties, fifteens.
I used to do, I think back andforth on 20 or 15, or I've seen

Cody (25:24):
it break it up.
Yeah.
I've seen Karen Dunn unbrokenbefore.

Tali (25:26):
Wow.
That's amazing.
Mm-hmm.
that would be ideal, but noteverybody can do that.
Right.
But the idea was to continuouslymove if you're taking more.
Oh, that's a whole nother thing.
If you're taking like more thanhowever many seconds of rest,
like you're doing it wrong.
Yeah.
So I would put this penalty ofany time that you put the ball
down and so it would kind ofteach people like, oh, I need to
really choose the rightequipment.

(25:47):
Mm-hmm.
for what my coach is asking ofme.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Because when you're working in aclass, you can make the
suggestions, but it's ultimatelyup to them what they wanna work
with.
I've had very few opportunitiescoaching where I'm like needing
to stop them during theirworkout to trade something out.
It happens, but it's not, it'snot the norm.
I'd say.
They just kind of suffer throughtheir choices.

(26:08):
But yeah, if it's prompting youto rest for a minute, you're not
getting the stimulus of theworkout anymore.
Mm-hmm.
And that was another thing thatI used to try to implement with
my clients.
Like if I'd see a certainworkout, like, do not let your
rest time.
12 seconds or it would probablybe less, but I had a coach who

(26:28):
had told me once that you shouldtake three full breaths on your
break and that's your break.

Cody (26:33):
Yeah.
For metabolic conditioning.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We need to clarify that.
We're not talking aboutweightlifting here.

Tali (26:37):
No.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So yeah, I think there's a lotof different other ways to
implement these ideas andcoaching that I wish were at the
forefront more regularly.
Mm-hmm.
I think people would get a lotmore outta their workouts.

Cody (26:51):
Yeah.
Well we have that opportunitynow.
Yes.
Yeah, totally.
The, the concept of this law ofnature in the, in that we
benefit from resistance andchallenge is also applies to our
learning capabilities.
You and I were just talkingabout this the other day when we
were starting our very firsttime on the ice ice skating.

(27:16):
And uh, on

Tali (27:17):
the ice skating.
Yeah,

Cody (27:18):
So we just decided to pick up ice skating, what, two weeks
ago?
Something like

Tali (27:23):
that.
It's been more than that cuzwe've missed a couple weeks cuz
the weather

Cody (27:26):
has fast.
It's cause of the weather.
But yeah, in our ripe old agesof 30 something and 40
something, we decided to try.
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
What, 31?
Well you're still 30

Tali (27:35):
something.
I know.
It just kind of sounds like I'mmore in the middle there.
Don't you want to be I'm in mythirties.
I'm happy

Cody (27:41):
So yeah, not having ever been on an ice skate before was
a challenge for me, but I hadrecently been reading in some
books on learning and cameacross this idea that if you
are.
Getting the answers right.
For instance, on a, on a test inschool or a pop quiz or homework

(28:04):
assignments, that kind of thing.
If you're getting more than 15%of the answers right, in a
classroom situation, you'reactually learning slower than if
you're getting around 15%.
That's kind of a sweet spot.
I forget what the percentagesare exactly, so don't quote me
on this, but the idea is thatyou should, when you're in a
learning situation, a learningprocess, you should be failing

(28:25):
about 80.
Percent of the time, 85% of thetime.
So

Tali (28:29):
you're saying that you'd be getting an F on every test
that shows that you're

Cody (28:31):
learning?
Well, I not tests, I said likequizzes, classroom situations,
like during the day when you'regetting the lessons, I see,
okay, you, you should be gettingabout 80 to 85% new information.
Shit you don't know.
Stuff you don't quiteunderstand.
And it's frustrating and it'schallenging, but you learn at a
faster rate than if you're beinggiven a bunch of the answers.

Tali (28:52):
So that's so backwards to how it actually goes, don't you
think?

Cody (28:55):
Yeah.
So if you're given all theinformation up front and you're
not being challenged let's sayit's inverse you, you only get
like 15% new information.
It's comfortable, it's moreenjoyable, but you also don't
retain it as much.
Sure.
So in that, and having just readthat right before we went ice
skating, I was like, I'm gonna,I'm really gonna fucking

(29:16):
challenge myself here cuz I wantto just like hold onto the wall
and go back and forth on the endof the rink where there's a
little wall and But I know I'mnot gonna get better doing that
because that's not how I want toskate.
And so I'm not gonna marchforever.
I'm not gonna like, hold ontothe wall.
I'm just gonna like, put myselfout there and see how it goes.
And I feel like it worked, likeit was really challenging, but I

(29:39):
feel like I made progress prettyfast in the, that first day way
better than I thought I wasgonna be able to do.
For

Tali (29:44):
sure.
And we were just at a, a partythe other night at a neighbor's
house who one of the folks inthe couple was a hockey player,
and we were kind of asking themsome questions about skating and
I, I already knew the answer tothis as soon as I was asking it,
but I could tell that my desireto keep from falling mm-hmm.

(30:09):
is keeping me from learningmore.
Yeah.
I'm not getting enough feedback.
Mm-hmm.
Do anything with skating.
And it's so hard because thefear of falling is super real.
you know, it looks like it'sgonna hurt.
I mean, I've already fallenonce.
Yeah.
I don't know.
There's something about itthat's super scary, but I think
I just have to get over it if Iactually really wanna get good.

(30:32):
Yeah.
It's like weightlifting.
You're gonna miss lifts.
Mm-hmm.
if you want anything out of it,you have to be prepared to miss
lifts.
And I tell my clients that allthe time that your commitment to
your technique is number one,whether you make the lift is
secondary.

Cody (30:46):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mario Andretti, I've alreadydone this in a very early
podcast, but it's worthrepeating here in context.
Mario Andretti famous race cardriver, I believe is the one who
said this that if, if you're notcrashing once in a while, you're
not going fast enough.
Mm-hmm.
Same with ice skating.
Like, I think if we're, if we'renot like willing to fall, then
we're not learning Right.

(31:07):
Fast enough or, so it's, nowthat I'm kind of past, you know,
we're, we had our thirdexperience yesterday out on the
ice, and I feel like I canactually move around the rink
now.
Enjoyably forward.
but, but it is reallyexhausting.
So I'm o obviously putting moreeffort into it than is needed in

(31:28):
order to just sort of skatearound.

Tali (31:30):
Well, we're not super conditioned.
Like yesterday we were there Ithink for almost three hours
where our other sessions were 20an hour at the most.

Cody (31:39):
Yeah.
Well yeah, but I guess my pointis, is that now I need, you
know, I fell yesterday for thefirst time and I'm kind of glad
I did cuz it's like, oh, thatwasn't really a big deal.
Wasn't a scary, maybe it didn'thurt.
I didn't hurt myself.
I didn't like crack my wrist.
You know, I have all thesevisions of what falling could
look like at my age and It endedup being pretty like

(31:59):
non-eventful and it was prettyeasy to get back up.
So I It's cuz you're somuscular, baby.
You know, like now I have alittle bit more of a license to
be a little more dangerous.
Oh my god, if you will.
But I think it's necessary inorder to keep learning is that I
can't just keep doing, like, Ihave to apply that same
principle of being outside thecomfort zone all the time or I'm

(32:21):
not gonna be learning.

Tali (32:22):
But it's also, you have to manage how far out that comfort
zone.
Like that's why coaches are soimportant because they're
managing that.
You're not gonna wreck yourselfwhen you're working with a
coach.
Yeah.
And you also know that aboutyourself, that you have a
tendency to like do it, overdoit.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Well that's why you have a wifeto reign you in and keep you

(32:42):
alive.

Cody (32:43):
I did wanna mention that to you or earlier you had sent
something and now I've lost itexactly what you were saying,
but I wanted to make sure that,to bring up though that.
When we're challenging ourselfor putting ourselves in an
uncomfortable position you hadtalked about, you know, not
overdoing it.
I Oh, you were saying like forimpact exercises, if you already

(33:05):
have bad joints or something,then maybe it's not good.
But I think my rebuttal to thata little bit is that you can
start somewhere, you can add alittle more impact than what you
normally do in your day-to-daylife.
Sure.
In order to adapt at any level,in any situation other than a
bedridden, you know, person in acoma.

Tali (33:24):
So, absolutely.
Well, I would never advocate,advocate to just stop doing
something.
Yeah.
And and that's through, youknow, injuries that are chronic
or instantaneous or traumatic,whatever you want to call them.

Cody (33:38):
But I think there's a big principle here that we need to
look at with when it comes to.
being challenged or creatingresistance in your life on
purpose is that you have to findthe appropriate level for you.
That's going to be kind of likethat learning level I just
talked about where yeah, you'regetting really challenged.
It's really uncomfortable, butyou're in a zone where you're

(34:00):
safe or you're not gonna have asetback from injury.
And that applies in the gym on avery physical level, but I think
we can apply that in our lives.
You know, I have, you and I havetalked about this recently, how
we've been pushing ourselves onsome emotional levels mm-hmm.
in our relationship and changingsome of the things that we have

(34:22):
in place as far as structures inour relationship, and it's been
extremely challenging.
Like really challenging, butalso really rewarding.
And you have mentioned aboutlike, you know, well, we need to
make sure that we're not goingso far that we break ourselves.
You know?
Like, we don't wanna breaksomething in this process.

Tali (34:40):
Well, we don't wanna ruin our relationship.

Cody (34:42):
Yeah.
So I think finding that sweetspot where you're getting
challenged because you're notgetting challenged, you're not
growing, you know, it's, ohyeah,

Tali (34:50):
I have that written here.
It's a little bit different, butmy mom always told me, if you're
not if you're not uncomfortablemm-hmm.
you're not learning.
Yeah.
So the, the concept is the same,but those were words that my
mother has told me my wholelife.
Yeah.
And so it's kind of a voice inthe back of my head that if I'm,
if life is too cushy, like Iknow mm-hmm.

(35:11):
that I'm not becoming.
Better or different.
Yeah.
And I wonder, I've talked aboutthis in our finances a lot,
where, you know, when we've hadto really scrape by and like
really push ourselves or wedidn't really have a lot to work
with that some of my, those aresome of my happiest memories
with you because I felt likethere was so much room to grow

(35:34):
and when we've been reallyfinancially comfortable I just
feel like that feeling oflearning and achievement and
growing just stops.
Mm-hmm.
And that's kind of true withanything where you're a beginner
at something, you're gonna haveall of this learning up front.
It's like really exponential,like mm-hmm.
you're gonna put like 10 kiloson your snatch like in the first

(35:57):
month.
You cannot count on that rate ofgrowth, like Right.
For the rest of your career.

Cody (36:03):
There's a lot of diminishing returns.
Yes.
It'ss gonna taper off.
Yeah.
You bring up a, a good pointthat I wanted to touch on as
well, which is kind of lost mytrain of thought.
I'm gonna have to edit.
Sorry a little bit.
No, it's shit.

Tali (36:18):
I have something.
Maybe it'll come back to you.

Cody (36:21):
Well, just a second.
When Okay, go ahead.

Tali (36:24):
So I think it's interesting that we're talking
about this kind of rate ofgrowth because you and I are a
self-proclaimed novelty seekers.
Mm-hmm.
you know, we like this phase oflearning a lot up front.
We like the challenge, and thenas soon as things get kind of
like cushy, it's like, oh, okay,time to move on to something

(36:45):
else.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
like, maybe I'll pick up adifferent instrument or a
different sport.
Which is kind of challengingbecause I feel like you really
will only learn the nuances at acertain level that I don't
necessarily find myself gettingto with everything that I
pursue.
Weightlifting I feel like isreally the only thing I've given
that kind of attention to interms of expertise and having a

(37:07):
bunch of hours under my belt tonot only teach others, but to To
use it as my lens for life.

Cody (37:13):
Well, you can't be an expert at everything.
You can't, but I, but you can bepretty damn good at a lot of
things.

Tali (37:17):
Sure.
But I also think this bringsinto question like the, the idea
of like range versus specialtyand like being a master of none
and being a specialist.
Like, I just think that that'sanother layer to this idea of

(37:37):
resistance, especially forpeople like you and I who crave
it.
You know, there had been a, ayear this last year, Cody and I
were both working full-time.
Our lives were prettypredictable.
We were making great strides andour financial lives, but
everything else was kind ofsuffering as a result.
And it.
Felt flat, it felt reallyboring, it felt really

(37:59):
predictable and as great as itwas to have like lots of money
to throw around and to be reallycomfortable and to have like
routines going and whatever.
It just, life was not dynamic.
It was not interesting.
It wasn't fun.
There wasn't any challenge otherthan being challenged that we
weren't together.
Mm-hmm.
and that we were tired all thetime.

(38:21):
Mm-hmm.
that's not the kind of challengethat makes you grow.
That's the kind of challengethat makes you a really bitter
person.

Cody (38:28):
Yeah.
And that I remembered what I wasabout to say.
Great.
And I think there's two sides tothe coin as there often are.
Okay.
Well there's three sides to acoin, but we'll get into that
later.
Idea that we can reframediscomfort.
So I once told a client when Iwas on my weight loss journey,

(38:48):
which I, I'm not a big proponentof the whole idea of weight loss
as a primary goal, but sometimesyou gotta start somewhere with
some metric and well,

Tali (38:57):
and sometimes that's super necessary.
Like there are some people whoneed to address that
immediately.
Yeah.

Cody (39:04):
And I was pretty sickly in about 235 pounds, I think, at my
heaviest and my, so weight losswas my primary focus for a
little while there.
And yeah, I got to a point wherebeing a little bit hungry felt
good.

(39:24):
because Interesting.
I knew that I needed to reducemy intake and being a little bit
hungry made me feel like I wasdoing it.
I was in the game, I was makingprogress.
It being hungry felt likeprogress.
So I literally began toassociate the feeling of being a
little bit hungry with a goodfeeling.
Whereas, you know, if people areused to satiating themselves all

(39:48):
the time, oh, I'm a littlehungry.
Let me just wander over to thefridge and see what's available
and you know, or have snacks atwork and you know, have constant
grazing mentality becausethey've been told that that's
good for you or whatever, andthey're perhaps overweight and
then they try to quote unquotego on a diet and they feel all
restricted and it just feelslike fucking misery, you know,

(40:10):
trying to like be hungry and.
Oftentimes we try to counsel ourclients.
You know, like we don't want youto feel completely deprived.
We want you to be able toindulge in like an alcoholic
beverage once in a while, or acookie or whatever.
We're not trying to restrict

Tali (40:26):
you.
one cookie.
Are you kidding me?
Does it ever stop with onecookie?

Cody (40:30):
But you know, we try to teach moderation as an approach
rather than abstinence.

Tali (40:36):
Like Shabbat

Cody (40:37):
and not Shabbat.
Yeah, But I guess my point is,is that there is another way
besides just looking at it aslike, oh, I'm deprived, or, oh,
I'm satisfied, is that you canbegin to reframe your thinking
around something so that youknow that that challenge of
feeling hungry or shit, thisbarbell is really heavy.

(41:00):
in our relationship, this kindof, I'm, this is kind of like
hurting, like I have a littlebit of a pit in my stomach right
now.
You can start to associate thosequote unquote negative feelings
with a knowledge of growth.
And then it starts to changeliterally the way it feels.
Yeah.
Like all of a sudden hungerfeels a little good.

(41:21):
Like it feels good to be alittle bit hungry.
It feels good to like strugglewith this weight just a little
bit.
It feels good to be emotionallychallenged.
It's a little bit hard for me todescribe, but there's, it'll
feel good to fall.
There's, yeah.
And there's, so there's a way ofreframing this, and this is how
I think of self-discipline too.
I, I kind of despise the whole,there's kind of an over-emphasis

(41:45):
with.
Famous people right now who arelike on the internet saying, you
should be more self-disciplinedand grit and disciplined grit.
You know, it's like, God, digdeep, you weakling, you know,
like buck up, you, you know,like piece of crap.
You know?
And it's like, well, do theyhave a military background,
Yeah.
Yes.
In fact they do.
But there's a different way toreframe that where you can learn

(42:10):
that those uncomfortable momentscan actually become
exhilarating.
Like, yes, you crave it.
I love that

Tali (42:16):
you said exhilarating.
Yes.

Cody (42:17):
And it's not, it's not that you're having to dig deep
and, and, and be and, and exexhibit grit in all these kind
of words.
It's not like that.
It's that you've reframed it sothat you actually know that the
challenge that you're feeling isgood and the outcome is good,
and so you begin to actuallyseek it.

(42:38):
You actually want it seeking it.
Yes.
Is not something that you'rehaving to like endure.
It's something that you'reenjoying because you know that
that means progress.

Tali (42:48):
So this is another thing that my mother also taught me at
a young age.
And when I say young, I meanlike probably high school where
I definitely don't think Iinternalized it at the time, but
it's true.
If you hear something oftenenough, you're gonna, you're
gonna kind of approach it withcuriosity and maybe try it out.
But she would always tell me tolike, greet challenges with a

(43:12):
smile or with excitement.
Mm-hmm.
And she would also tell me thatif I had a lot of nervousness or
anxiety around something, it'sbecause it's something that
matters to me.
Mm-hmm.
And so rather than seeing thingsthat were anxiety inducing as
bad, and things that didn'tchallenge me as good, then then
I could interact with them in away that could have a very.

(43:37):
Surprising outcome.
And I think that that's a reallyimportant dynamic to observe and
to think about that the thingsthat are anxiety inducing are
things that matter to us, andthat is a opportunity for
assessment of whether that valueshould stick around with us or
not.
You know, I'm thinking about anupcoming endeavor that I have

(43:58):
going on.
I've signed up just kind ofwilly-nilly to do nude modeling
for a figure drawing class intown.
Mm-hmm.
And I didn't really get nervousabout it until you were like,
you remember we live in a smalltown, you're probably gonna know
everybody in that class.
And then I start to think like,oh, like, will I even physically
be able to take off my robe inthat situation?

(44:21):
I don't know.
But I am thinking about, okay,why does this make me nervous?
and a lot of that is likejudgment for my body or well I
guess it's just judgment for mybody.
Mm-hmm.
it just kind of ends there and Ihave to think about like, why,
why is that still nagging at me?

(44:43):
And then that's when I reallyget to assess like, is that
something that I still want tohold me back?
Cuz I don't, I don't reallywanna be that person and I have
the choice and resourcesavailable to me to not be that
person anymore.
But maybe a younger version ofmyself who didn't really think

(45:04):
about challenge as a good thingfor me.
And always wanting to, you know,ha have self-preservation.
Mm-hmm.
as a top priority.
I would've thought, this isdangerous for me.
Why would I put myself in thatsituation?
Mm-hmm.
I wouldn't see value in it.
Where now I could see it as thisis probably gonna help me.
love my body more because art isgonna be created out of

Cody (45:26):
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think the one way, youknow, you've associated it with
age, but there's also this ideathat I wanted to really
emphasize today, which is thatif you constantly avoid
discomfort, then you will be ina weaker position when

(45:46):
challenges come at you.
In other words, if you choose tochallenge yourself regularly,
then you will be more resilientwhen unexpected challenges come
your way.
Cuz they always will like, yeah,life is fucking challenging.
That's how life go, you know,life.
Nobody gets to sail through and.

(46:10):
There.
I think there's this, there's astrange emphasis in today's
world in that this has gone fora couple generations now.
Like, you know theseparticipation trophy kids, who,
and I was in the firstgeneration of that, you know, I
remember getting like a, oh man.
So I, since I was like the firstgeneration of this, I kind of
knew it was bullshit.

(46:31):
Even as a second grader, Iremember being like in the first
grade, second grade and runninga race and getting a ribbon that
was like seventh place ribbon.
There were only seven fuckingkids in the race.
And I'm like, this isn't feelgood.
This isn't even at that youngage, I knew this was bullshit.
I'm like, this is bullshit.

(46:51):
This, if this was a competitionand I get a placement and a
ribbon for it, like this, thisribbon.
Is like, look, you came in last.
Like it felt like shit.
You know?
Wouldn't

Tali (47:02):
it be so much nicer to be in like a pool of losers rather
than like the loser Well that'sso mean.
Yeah.
Like there's first, second andthird and then everybody else
just didn't podium.
Right?
Yeah.
But

Cody (47:14):
they were trying to be all they podium inclusive and
everything.
Yeah.
And so that's so funny.
They such a backfire.
Yeah.
And then I think later on itkind of did turn into that where
like everybody gets aparticipation ribbon.
Even the person who came infirst, you know, and it's like
there are no winners and losers.
You know, this kind of realcoddling of kids has created

(47:35):
adults who are constantlycomfort seeking.
Constantly.
Constantly comfort.
Comfort seeking, avoidingchallenge, avoid.
Like the word hierarchy hasbecome this evil word and
hierarchy is a natural aspect ofthe universe.
Sorry.
But things are just arranged incertain ways.
And I'm not promoting governmenthierarchy or patriarchal

(48:00):
hierarchies or anything likethat.
I'm just saying that people arepart of the universe, the
natural world, and the naturalworld is organized.
That's just the way it is.
And so we can either become moreresilient by practicing
challenging situations, findingour place in the world,
acknowledging what that placeis, maybe making efforts to

(48:22):
change our place in the world,or we can take a coddling
approach where we're justconstantly comfort seeking and
it makes people so weak thatthey feel traumatized by the
littlest challenge in theirlife.
Like something very.
small to one person'sperspective can be incredibly

(48:43):
traumatic to another person.
And I think, well, trauma is

Tali (48:45):
definitely relative, but you also, it's not just like
you've been dealt a card.
Like you have a lot to do withthat spectrum there.
Yeah.
By exposing yourself.

Cody (48:57):
Right.
And so if you, like, because mypoint is, is that if you expose
yourself intentionally tochallenging situations, you'll
be more resilient and lesslikely to experience trauma.
And this is what really, itreally relates to what you were
just talking about a while backwith like box jumps in somebody
who has bad joints or somethinglike that.

(49:18):
When we see traumatic injuriesin the gym, that's because
people are doing something thatthey did not condition
themselves for.
Usually not, not always, but alot of times there are freak
accidents.
Yeah, there are.
A lot of times I would tellpeople like, well this training
did not injure you.
It revealed something that wasalready a problem when you came

(49:38):
in here and you didn't knowabout it, cuz you never
challenged yourself.
You know, like if you're havingknee pain the very first time
you squat it, it's probably notthe squat that's causing that.
Cuz this is the first timeyou've ever done it.
Like there was something goingon before you just never exposed
it because you never challengeyourself.
Right.
You're turning stones.
Yeah.
And so my point is, is that wecan avoid trauma, whether that's

(49:59):
emotional trauma or physicaltrauma or whatever, or trauma to
a relationship.
We can avoid trauma byconditioning ourselves to be
more resilient rather than.
Being avoidant of challenge and,and controversy or discomfort.

Tali (50:17):
Yes.
And I think a word that comes tomind with all the things that
you're saying is potential.
And I am definitely somebody whowants to bump up against those
edges of my potential.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna see what I'm capable of.
And that's what's been somagical about my weightlifting
experience for sure.
And you were just saying, wewere just talking about like

(50:38):
kind of stones that could beleft unturned as a way of
thinking about that lack ofexposure.
And I think about relationshipswhere like things are just swept
under the rug at all costs.
We're trying to put on a happyface.
Conflict avoidance.
Conflict avoidance, trying tohide things from the kids.
And then, you know, things areimploding on the inside.

(51:00):
Just because it isn't brought tothe surface doesn't mean it
doesn't exist.
That's a really messed up way.
Mm-hmm.
to be going about life.
Mm-hmm.
And that's what's been soincredible about practicing
honesty all the time, or at allcosts because it at least like,
gives life to those things.

(51:22):
Like you can interact with them.
If you put them out there,you're not at the mercy of them
anymore.
Mm-hmm.
I would imagine that in a situif you and I were keeping
everything from each other andjust being like, oh,
everything's fine.
Mm-hmm.
when things are not, you know,that's when like little things
start to get to me or bother meor I start to get angry at

(51:43):
things.
Mm-hmm.
and that's something that we getto choose for ourselves.
Like you are not at the mercy ofanyone else to who gets to
decide other than you of likewhat you wanna bring to the
light.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (51:57):
Yeah, for if you're listening and you're, you
haven't been exposed to some ofthe ideas that t and I talk
about in our relationship andwhat we feel has made it so
amazing.
In part of course there's likeinitial compatibility, which has
been amazing, like, I think we'dbe amazing together even if we
hadn't articulated some of thesethings.
But early on we actuallyarticulated and, and made

(52:18):
agreements, like explicitagreements around the ideas of
being completely honest at alltimes and forthright, which
means that honesty does not justmean we're waiting for the other
person to ask the rightquestion.
Forthrightness means we bringthings to the table even

Tali (52:36):
if the timing is inconvenient.
Yeah.
Even if you're in a crap mood.
Yeah.
Even if not, you're not at yourbest.

Cody (52:41):
Yeah.
And even if it's somethingyou're ashamed of Yes.
Or, you know, embarrassed by orwhatever it is, like the, we're
gonna bring it up.
We're not gonna hide things.
And the third concept is as soonas possible, which is what you
just touched on, like, itdoesn't matter if it's
convenient, we're gonna bringthis to the surface as, as soon
as possible in order.
Avoid resentment and creating aspace where we know we can do

(53:04):
that also involves giving theother person the benefit of the
doubt that we, we know that wehave each other's interests at
heart and we care about theother person.
And so even if we bring upsomething that seems like it in
a different context, that itcould be accusatory or something
like that, we're gonna not get,we're not gonna jump to the

(53:26):
defense because we understandthat the whole idea of bringing
something uncomfortable up isfor, is in the interest of us
having a better

Tali (53:36):
relationship.
Yes.
And that's exposing yourself torisk.
Like it can feel really risky inthe moment.
Yeah.
To tell you what I'm reallythinking, especially like this
morning, I was feeling so crabbyabout all kinds of things.
Mm-hmm.
and.
you know, have a moment before Isay anything to be like, well
this can wait.
I should probably eat something.

(53:57):
I should probably wait untilafter we've done the podcast,
cuz I'll be on a high mm-hmm.
And so just like anything elsethat we've talked about, like we
are exposing ourselves topotential risk, but there's
something that you start tocrave about that because you're
going to get something out ofit.
You're gonna be differentbecause of it.

(54:17):
And that's fucking fun.
I enjoy that.
I really do.
Yeah.
I mean, there are things aboutourselves that are probably
gonna be consistent for ourwhole lives, but to feel like a
different person in the samebody that I've had my whole
life.
Mm-hmm.
is really cool.
Yeah.
In terms of like dealing withsocial situations or whatever,
like I can look back on myteenage years still.

(54:40):
In a fresh way.
It wasn't that long ago, but Ijust remember being fucking
terrified in my own skin.
Mm-hmm.
and not knowing how to act andnot knowing what to say.
And that self-preservation, likeit kept me from living, it kept
me from doing so much andexperiencing so much.

(55:01):
Mm-hmm.
And I just think it's a gift.
I think it's a gift to exposeyourself to all kinds of
challenges.
Yeah.
Whether they're emotional,physical

Cody (55:11):
mental.
Yeah.
And it's a forever pursuitbecause every, the more time you
spend outside your comfort zone,the greater your comfort zone
becomes.
Yes.
Like if you step out four inchesfrom your comfort zone, well now
you're four, you spend enoughtime out there, and pretty soon
your comfort zone has expandedby four inches.
I've wondered if you gotta stepout a little more, you know, and

(55:32):
you gotta keep that challenge.
This is kind of what I wastrying to get to with the ice
skating thing, is like, well nowI'm, I've challenged myself
pretty hard in these last, inthe first two sessions, but
yesterday I kind of feel like I,I fell because I started to
challenge myself a little more.
You

Tali (55:51):
fell because you were celebrating not falling, not
falling, But that wasn't thefirst

Cody (55:56):
time.
So funny.
It wasn't, that was the firsttime.
The first time I fell was Iturned really sharp and I was
like, oh, my skate just sort ofdug into the ice.
I didn't realize that was gonnahappen.
So my point is, is that I haveto keep.
That I have a new comfort zonenow.
Like I, so now I really need tomake sure that I go out there
with the mindset that, okay, Iknow I'm gonna push outside that
comfort zone.
I'm gonna, I gotta find a newskill that I want to try to

(56:18):
challenge myself with today.
Otherwise I'm just gonna beforever the same type of skater,
sort of wobbling around incircles.
and

Tali (56:27):
we had a, an entire podcast on episode on this the
other week about warming up.
Mm-hmm.
you can absolutely prepareyourself in ways that are going
to make expanding your comfortzone less frightening.
Mm-hmm.
I'm thinking about what can I dobetween now and February that's
gonna make getting naked infront of a group of people who

(56:48):
are gonna draw me morecomfortable.
So I was thinking we should goto the Josephy Center.
Let me see where I'm going.
Yeah.
And have an idea of like whatenvironment, what the setup is.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Or you know, I've talked aboutpracticing poses ahead of time.
Mm-hmm.
to make sure that.
I have ideas to draw upon to youknow, build up some stamina,

(57:09):
that kind of thing.
Mm-hmm.
I don't know if there's anythingelse that I can add to it, but
you can definitely kind ofsoften the blow a little bit.
If you remember when we werewatching those YouTube videos on
skating, she said, practicefalling, right?
Because you have to practiceskating up.
Mm-hmm.
And one thing I wanted tomention is it's a very relevant
example or story I guess about askater named Elvis Toko, who I

(57:35):
wanna say was a Ukrainianskater, but I don't remember
exactly, but my mom used to tella story about him all the time.
There was some huge competitionthat he fell over and over and
over again and continued to getup and not just get up, but like
with gusto and a smile.
And it was like the bestperformance ever, even though he
biffed it like the whole time.

(57:55):
Mm-hmm.
there's a really endearingquality about people who are.
Willing to try and to expand Iand without bitterness.
And without bitterness.
Yes.
We've talked a lot, we've talkedabout like in the All show No go
episode.
About how there's kind of a, Ihave a very low tolerance for

(58:16):
people who are just all talk.
Mm-hmm.
it really radiates from peoplewhen you can tell that they've
like, experienced life and likereflect on it and see the value
of those challenges when peopleare.
overcome by their challenges.
I definitely need to learn a lotmore compassion for those
people, but it's very hard forme to relate mm-hmm.

(58:38):
because that's not somewhere Iwanna be.
As soon as I find myselfwallowing.
Even yesterday when I told youlike, that's all I wanna do
right now is like stay stuck.
Mm-hmm.
I fucking hate myself when I'mdoing that.
I know that's not gonna help me.
I knew that getting up to startlifting with you was like the
right thing to do.

Cody (58:55):
Well I was kind of pushy about it too.
Cause I knew I'm glad you had tobe.
I knew Yeah.
Cuz I knew, but, but the reasonI knew is that I've been there
so many times, you know, I'vebeen in this position where it's
like I don't fucking wanna feelbetter.
I kind wanna like.
I feel like shit right now, youknow?
And

Tali (59:10):
so, and there's benefit to that too.
Yeah.
But I also don't wanna lean toohard in that direction, cuz that
can be debilitating.
Mm-hmm.
totally immobilizing.
And like, we could have wastedthe whole hour talking then
moving.
And I know that movement makesme feel better and powerful and
I love to lift the weight, soI'll have fun.
You know, like there are thingsthat, that was a pretty good
session too, wasn't it?
It was a great session, yeah.

(59:31):
Mm-hmm.
it was a great session.
I mean, I've had liftingsessions that were total garbage
too like out of being stressedor distraught or whatever.
Mm-hmm.
But I also let it go and moveforward.
Yeah.
I let it go.

Cody (59:48):
Yeah.
So there's a concept in the gymthat I wanted to touch on that I
think can apply out as well andhave carry over to the real
world, which is the differencebetween efficiency of movement
or maximizing resistance.
So you know, we, to bring itback to the ice skating analogy,

(01:00:09):
I guess

Tali (01:00:10):
isn't it cool that we can like talk about ice skating now
and not just the gym?

Cody (01:00:13):
Yeah.
Well right now doing like thesimple thing of forward
movement, I feel like I've madea lot of progress cuz I can like
pick up speed and I can getaround the rinks and you know,
that kind of thing.
But it's exhausting.
Like, I've come back out ofbreath, my ankles are burning
and all of this kind of thingand some of that is
conditioning.
You said, you know, we'redeconditioned for it cuz it's
new, but some of it's notdeconditioning.

(01:00:35):
Some of it is that I'm veryinefficient.
Oh yeah.
And so I'm tensing up where Idon't need to be tensed up.
I'm probably doing excessivemovement where I don't need to
do

Tali (01:00:45):
it.
That's why getting over thebeginner phase is so important.
Yeah.

Cody (01:00:48):
But in the gym world, there's actually a reason
sometimes to be efficient orinefficient and a good.
contrast here is weightliftingversus body building.
So in body building, your, yourobjective for body building is
to increase muscle size,definition, et cetera.

(01:01:12):
And so for hypertrophy training,like body building, the idea is
to maximize resistance on themuscle.
And that's why they do isolationexercises.
Because getting a weight fromyour waist to your shoulder, the
least efficient way to do thatis a bicep curl that's like the
least efficient way from yourwaist to your shoulder.

(01:01:33):
Yeah.
To lift a weight from your waistto your shoulder, a bicep curl.
Oh, okay.
Is the least efficient way to dothat because you're only using
one joint, your elbow, that'sit.
And so you're isolating thebiceps in order to do that, in
causing those biceps to grow.
But you're maximizing resistanceand it in, so another way to say
that is it's the least efficientway to do that movement.

(01:01:56):
If you do a hang clean, you aremaximizing efficiency.
Your bicep has very little to dowith that movement, right?
Or should have little to do withthat movement And so a, a hang
clean or a hang power clean is amore efficient way to move that
barbell because the objective isnot to grow the bicep.

(01:02:17):
The objective is to get the mostamount of weight from your waist
to your shoulder in thatmovement.
Yes.
And so depending on yourobjectives, you can take that
concept.
Do I want this to be asefficient as possible or do I
want to increase resistance inorder to make myself grow?

Tali (01:02:35):
in a certain way, will you have your arms stuck at your
sides the next day?

Cody (01:02:40):
as a result, right?
So, and then we can balance thatlike on a spectrum, like you
said, you know, like do we wantto, we don't wanna push
ourselves to injury, but wewanna push ourselves outside of
our comfort zone, right?
And so I think sometimes we canmaybe look at this in a
different light.
And I think this also is ananalogy with the dieting

(01:03:00):
situation I was talking about.
Being a little hungry feels likeI'm on the edge.
I'm making progress, gettinghungry to the point where you
have a headache and you'reirritable and you're weak and
you can't do shit that is notproductive.
no.
So, so you gotta find thatcomfort edge where you're sort
of like, you're, you're thinkingof efficiency, but you're adding

(01:03:24):
just enough resistance to causeyou to grow.

Tali (01:03:28):
So I, and that might not even just be a physical
adaptation at that point.
That's a mental adaptation too.

Cody (01:03:33):
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So just another nuanced way ofthinking about that is whether
that's, you know, comfort ordiscomfort or, you know,
willingly going into challengesor avoiding them.
Another way of thinking of it isjust efficiency versus
inefficiency.
And sometimes an inefficient wayof doing something can be in a

(01:03:54):
learning experience for youthat's worth pursuing, even
though it's not the mostefficient way to do it.
You know, it's kinda like aWell, there's a

Tali (01:04:03):
value in and of itself

Cody (01:04:04):
is what you're saying, right?
There's a different valuesystem.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's kinda like a motorcycletrip.
Yeah.
A lot of times I'm not trying togo from one city to the next on
the freeway.
That's the most efficient way toget there.
But I wanna see things that Ican't see from a car when I'm on
a motorcycle.
So I'm gonna take a differentroute that's way less efficient.
It's gonna take me twice as longto get there.
But the experience is theobjective, not the destination.

(01:04:27):
Totally.
And so, kind of another analogythere of ways we can apply this
to learning, you know reading abook cover to cover is more
efficient than stopping takingnotes and trying to apply what
you learned in each chapter.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
you know, so this is justanother way of thinking about
this, like intentionalresistance.

(01:04:48):
Like, I, I often talk about reslike reducing resistance.
Like if, if you want to create anew habit, you know, have your
gym shoes in your car, you know,wear whatever, I'm sleep.
Yeah.
That kind of thing.
But sometimes it's valuable toincrease resistance in order to
increase the adaptation, thelearning experience.

Tali (01:05:06):
Sarah.
Yes.
Yeah.
It's also as important to assesswhere you're coming from what
your starting point is.
Right now I've started a newbook on my gosh.
What is that pot that audible?
Yes.
So I'm listening to it and Ihave not picked up a book in a
while, and so I've had this kindof feeling of guilt, like maybe

(01:05:26):
I should be reading this bookout of a real book like a
physical book rather than justlistening to it.
Yeah.
But I'm not watching shittyshouty stuff on YouTube instead
of Real Housewives.

Cody (01:05:40):
Yeah, you can just say

Tali (01:05:41):
it.
Yeah.
There are other shows that arejust as shouty that I love, but
it's taking the time that Iwould normally be putting my
energy into that, or lack ofenergy kind of zoning out into
that world.
Yeah.
So I think that's great.
It's starting somewhere.
Yeah.
I think that's really great.
Yeah.
I'm reading Crying in H Mart.
It's a, it's a memoir, which isone of my favorite genres to

(01:06:01):
read or listened to, I guess.
Which is a perfect.
like entry point, like back intoreading.
Mm-hmm.
Cause I really do enjoy reading.
I just get really burnt out andif I don't feel like I have the
right timing for it or whatevermm-hmm.
it can feel like a really biginconvenience.

Cody (01:06:21):
Yeah.
Reading is a bit of a challengewith your current schedule cuz
you're, we're, we're, therewe're training slash coaching in
the mornings.
Mm-hmm.
And then you go to work and youcome home and you're tired and
we make a meal together and atthat point it's like, it's time
to like wind down and having themental energy to pick up, to
pick up a book, book is a little

Tali (01:06:40):
challenging, but I can listen to it when I'm in the
shower.
Yeah.
When I'm doing like my faceroutine before bed.
It's been great.
I think it's great.
Mm-hmm.
so.
That is out of my currentcomfort zone.
And that's important to notetoo, is like your comfort zone
changes.
Just because you've expanded itdoesn't mean it's gonna stay
there.
Oh yeah.

(01:07:00):
You have to manage that.
Or you atrophy just like thoseastronauts and space.
Mm-hmm.
Right?
Mm-hmm.
like their bone density justtanks.
And it's the same thing witheverything we're talking about
here.
These things require maintenanceand you know, you said life is a
challenge and it is becausethere's, there's a lot holding
us together.

Cody (01:07:20):
Mm-hmm.
Well, and there's this sort ofsaying that goes around that
I'll part of butcher the exactwords, but it's something like,
you know, if you don't challengeyourself, then life, you know,
if you don't choose yourchallenges, life will choose
them for you.
Oh yeah.
And I like that one very clear.
The idea there isn't that we'reso omnipotent that we can just

(01:07:40):
choose whatever challenges wewant and.
life will leave us alone in therest of it, but we can make
ourselves all much moreresilient if we have a practice
of constantly stepping out ofour comfort zone.
Because you can't, like yousaid, your atrophy, you stay in
the center in that comfy centertoo long and pretty soon your,
your comfort zone begins toshrink again.
Sure.
We don't all experience that.
I mean, I've seen it so manytimes with people who are sort

(01:08:01):
of introverted, who maychallenge themselves like in a
drama class, and, and they getout and they do things with, you
know a community of sorts andthey really step out of their
comfort zone and they expandthat.
And then they go through a lifechange of some sort, maybe an
age difference.
They're not in high schoolanymore, whatever, and they,

(01:08:21):
they start to spend more timewatching TV and hanging out at
the house, and pretty soonthey're fucking reclused again.
It's like you weren't alwaysthat way.
Like that's not an inherentquality, it's just you allowed
yourself to get into that rut.
slowly over time because youkept edging back into a more
comfortable position andavoiding those slightly
discomfort things to now it's amajor discomfort.

Tali (01:08:43):
Yeah.
Well that kind of makes me thinkabout what I was so distraught
about yesterday, feeling likeI've kind of squandered my time
off, leaning so hard into, I'mgonna call it laziness, because
that's a part of myself that Ido think is an inherent trait.
Mm-hmm.
that I, I, now that we'retalking about it, I know that's

(01:09:04):
not the case.
It's just something that I didpractice for many, many years
and it's an old shoe.
It's an old shoe, and it's likea scary old shoe.
Like, I like to think of myselfas having really turned my life
around in a lot of ways.
Mm-hmm.
and to see those.
Tendencies creep back is reallyscary because it does make you

(01:09:26):
think like, oh, this is just apart of me.
Mm-hmm.
that I'm always gonna have tofight against.
And that's where that balance orthat tiptoeing outside of our
comfort zone all the time, orexposing ourselves to things,
trying new things, like that'swhy that's so important to just
make a part of your life.
It's not just something to dolike when you're 40 or when you

(01:09:49):
retire, like any of thesemilestones.
It's something that we should beexposing ourselves to all the
time.
Mm-hmm.
I really think that that notonly makes life more interesting
and enjoyable, but you develop arelationship with yourself and
you learn that you are capableof changing your life if you
really want to.
And you can, you know, take othour other podcast episodes, you

(01:10:12):
know, recruit a mentor, surroundyourself, you know, by the power
of association with people whoare going to.
exemplify that for you.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
you know, it doesn't have to bea solo journey.
And that's what makes it so hardsometimes is feeling alone and
not knowing where to start.
And maybe not having the energyor the optimism to move.

(01:10:34):
That was me yesterday.
I felt anchored to the floor.
Yeah.

Cody (01:10:37):
Having a training partner is really important in
situations like that, like yousaid, a mentor and the power of
association, those three thingsare really, really powerful.
I'm glad you brought'em upbecause they can help pull us
out of our comfort zone in a, ina way that I don't know, you
build some accountability toother people a little bit and

(01:10:58):
then also, kind of creates a wayof being a little more safe, but
still challenged.
You know, it's not like you'reseeking comfort in the group or
in the mentor cuz a a a apositive association group or
mentor is gonna challenge you,it's gonna pull you out into
that comfort zone.

(01:11:18):
But there's something aboutbeing led.
Well, I I think there's a reallygood example of I've learned
this in a, a leadership seminar.
I saw it demonstrated in onetime where you put a blindfold
on somebody and they're up onstage and the person who is not
blindfolded will push the personfrom the back and there's a ton
of resistance cuz the person'sblindfolded, they're being

(01:11:39):
pushed from the back and theycan't see where they're going.
And so there's like all thisresistance and push pushback.
And then if the person who isnot blindfolded goes around to
the other side and pulls on theperson and leads them, then
there's.
Hardly any resistance.
I love that so much.
And it's because the blindfoldedperson knows that their leader
is in front of them, so they'renot gonna step off the stage

(01:12:01):
accidentally cuz they can't.
Right, right.
And so I, I think that's a wayof challenging yourself, but
feeling a bit of a safety netand knowing that this person has
my best interest at heart, orthese people have been where I
want to go.
So even though this is reallyuncomfortable for me, I know I'm
not gonna kill myself in thisprocess of, of change.

(01:12:23):
Yeah.
Because I have the support ofthese other people.
Yeah.

Tali (01:12:27):
I find myself thinking about this in nearly every
single episode that we have hadso far, is this idea of a
assessment and how importantthat is.
Because I think our views ofourselves can be incredibly
skewed to what is happening inreality.

(01:12:48):
That if we aren't honest withourselves, like we'll never.
reach our potential.
Mm-hmm.
we'll never fully live we'll,never surprise ourselves.
Mm-hmm.
if we can't take a real look inthe mirror as I'll just say what
I used to think about myself,like, I'm a manipulative person.

(01:13:09):
I'm a lazy person, I'm a stupidperson, whatever, you know?
Not saying that I'm encouraging,like negative self-talk, but I
think it's, we've also had anepisode about like really
assessing where you're at.
What can, what can Irealistically handle right now?
Mm-hmm.
because we've talked about, youknow, having goals or visions of

(01:13:29):
ourselves that are like reallydaunting to the point where we
don't do anything.
Mm-hmm.
right?
Yeah.
And we kind of just fantasize inour mind of, oh, this is what
I'm gonna be doing.
Mm-hmm.
and that is enough for me tojust think about it or to write
a list about it.
Mm-hmm.
But that's not experiencing it.

Cody (01:13:47):
Yeah.
And I think the idea of to-dolists, I've done this all my
life, is Hmm.
To, to-do list, to-do lists,to-do lists or goal lists or
whatever, and all these things Iwanna accomplish.
We're reading a book right nowand we're just kind of in the,
we're reading it very slowly cuzit's a few minutes every morning
while you're getting ready forwork, but, right.
It's called essentialism.
And he brings up a really funnypoint in there, is that the word

(01:14:09):
priority mean the, the roots ofthat word, the entomology of it
is prior meaning it's beforeeverything else.
And priority means that there'sno such thing as a word
priorities, plural, That's,that's a modern invention that
we can have priorities andthere's no such thing.
You cannot have prioritiesbecause the whole idea is that

(01:14:30):
this one thing precedeseverything else.
And so there's only such a thingas one priority.
We live in a linear or we're,we're sort of trapped in a, a
linear time.
you know, in this universe.
And so we can only do one thingat a time no matter what we
think we can do.
So I, I'm starting to think thatthis whole idea of making to-do
lists is a bullshit way ofapproaching, trying to organize

(01:14:53):
things.
I think maybe you can make alist of desired outcomes or
tasks or whatever but then theexercise needs to be like, oh,
I'm not gonna, I'm not, I'm notgonna work through this list.
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonnachoose one thing from this list,
and that goes in a scheduledposition in my planner.

(01:15:14):
And then after that's done, Ican revisit the list.
But until then, I'm not gonnaplan the next five things, the
next seven priorities.
You know, I'm gonna, I'm gonnachoose one fucking thing.
I'm gonna do that.
And then I can return to thelist and choose another thing.
But not until that first thingis done.
And I know that sounds kind ofdumb, like.
Well, duh.
That's what a to-do list issupposed to be.

(01:15:35):
But

Tali (01:15:36):
I'm sure not everybody experiences their to-do list in
such a straightforward way, butthat's not,

Cody (01:15:40):
but that's not the reality of how it usually works.
Usually you have a to-do listand it's like, oh shit, where do
I start and what do I do?
And maybe I can do these fivethings today or whatever.

Tali (01:15:49):
And I sometimes put things I've already done on the list so
that I can have a check mark Soit looks like I've already
gotten stuff done.
Yeah.
I'm fooling myself.
I know.

Cody (01:15:58):
And what I've done my whole life.
And it's like, what, how long,how many years do I have to do
this before I learn this stupidlesson?
Is that my to-do Lists alwaysgrow.
My to-do list never shrink.
It doesn't matter how fuckingproductive I am that day, I'm
gonna have more to do at the endof the day than I started with
all the time because my mind isway more efficient at thinking
up shit to do than my body is atactually implementing the, the

(01:16:20):
to-do list.
So

Tali (01:16:21):
we haven't gotten to any action steps in our essentialist
book or essentialism book.
But wouldn't it be interestingto just try, I'm gonna do five
things today.
You're not allowed to addanything to it.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (01:16:34):
Well, this kind of relates to something you were just
talking about a way ofassessment.
Mm-hmm.
and it kind of made me thinkthat it might be a fun exercise
to do.
In fact, I think I'm gonna dothis and maybe I'll report back
here on the podcast of findingcategories in my life.
So relationship with yourelationships with others, and

(01:16:55):
then, you know, like myworkouts, my progress on the
business, whatever, you know,find categories.
that are important.
And then score myself on howmuch I'm being, excuse me, how
much I'm challenging myself inthose.

Tali (01:17:12):
I love that, you know, how there are those habit tracker
layouts that like we just didone for our business.
Mm-hmm.
coaching what if there wassomething like that?
Yeah.
Entice people or encouragepeople to be challenged.

Cody (01:17:26):
Yeah.
And just in as an assessment tosee where, where am I hiding in
my comfort zone?
Mm.
I like that.
So if I'm scoring myself low,you know, if I'm a a two in my
relationship, that means I'mjust like going with the flow.
Like everything's easy and I'mnot, I'm, you know, I'm not
challenging enough to improve inthat category.

(01:17:47):
Whereas a 10 is like, well, thiscould break me Yeah.
And yeah, that might be aninteresting way to assess.
whether we're in a growth phaseor, or stagnating.

Tali (01:18:01):
Yes.
I would love to implement thatin our maybe our work for our
couples this week or something.
I'd love that idea so much.
I think that's so valuable.
Because I, like I said, thereare so many other tools out
there that I think people reallylike to use, especially because
it's kind of gamified in a way.
Mm-hmm.
But that might be in a way ofsteering people in a really
different direction.

(01:18:22):
Mm.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think that's really fun.
Like, I think a lot of times,like you said, challenge can
become really exciting andexhilarating.
Like how cool to promote that.
Yeah.
And to teach people how to dothat.

Cody (01:18:34):
I think this relates a lot to the concept of my book where,
where we are taught so manytimes to make lists like this,
but the lists are what goals doI want?
What outcomes do I want?
Am I working toward thoseoutcomes?
What are the steps to thoseoutcomes, et cetera.
But how often do we stop and askourselves, am I being challenged

(01:18:54):
in this category?
See, because that really is, Ithink, a, a much more accurate
indicator of whether you'reactually making progress than a
to-do list or a task list or a

Tali (01:19:07):
strategy, a vision board or a strategy looking of how to
get there.
I'm looking, I'm looking at ourvision board right now and you
know, my mom and Ken, they redotheir vision board every year on
New Year's.
And I kind of wanna do that.
because I can already see acouple of things on there that
I'm like I don't really care todo that this year.
Mm-hmm.
And I know that there's kind ofa push and pull between like

(01:19:29):
wanting to have short term quoteunquote goals or long life, like
lifelong term, like lifestyle.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
But we've also talked about thevalue of having something coming
up.
Mm-hmm.
as a way to like get a move onon things.
Yeah.
Like this power lifting meatthat you and I are talking
about.
It's really gotten us in gearand like, I feel like we're

(01:19:51):
built, we've gotten a lot oftraction in that pursuit.
Mm-hmm.
And so I'm wondering if.
if we should do that, if weshould

Cody (01:20:01):
reassess.
Yeah.
It might be fun to combine thesetwo ideas of looking at your
vision board and asking yourselfif you're being challenged in
the category of something that'son your vision board.
Mm-hmm.
Because if it's just up thereand you're not doing shit
probably just gonna stay upthere.
It's not, it's not actuallygonna come into your life.
Yeah.

Tali (01:20:19):
Some of those things feel kind of stale.
Yeah.
Like I'm looking at there's apicture of an elk on there.
Mm-hmm.
like we should be doing targetpractice.
Mm-hmm.

Cody (01:20:29):
Right.
Something.
Or reading that book I got

Tali (01:20:32):
Yeah.
On like, on hunting.
Hunting, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, some things are justlooking a little, little dusty,
a little stale.
And I would really like us toreassess that.
I know I've mentioned wanting todo it for a while, but going
into the new year, obviously Ilive on planet Earth.
It's easy to get sucked into thehype.
Mm-hmm.

(01:20:53):
I'm having, there's a lot oflike ideas right now.
What are my non-New Year's goalsor something?
Mm-hmm.
I'm, I'm not saying it right,but there's a trend online that
people are like not doing NewYear's resolutions.
Yeah.
Which is fine.

Cody (01:21:05):
Well I feel like it's an obligatory thing that doesn't
mean much.
I mean we,

Tali (01:21:10):
well cuz these things can be happening all the time.
You can always set resolutionsfor yourself.
Yeah,

Cody (01:21:15):
yeah.
Yeah.
Any given Monday can be a newstart.

Tali (01:21:18):
So I feel like Monday is like the great reset for me.
Yeah.
My whole world changes onMonday.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Cody (01:21:25):
Yeah.
I'm reading Tomic Habits byJames Clear and he actually
talks about if you're going toimplement a new practice slash
habit in your life, to choose afirst of the month, a Monday.
a first of the year, a holiday,something like that.
Because even though it'sarbitrary psychologically, it
actually matters.
You know, we actually doattribute value to starting

(01:21:50):
dates that are specific likethat.

Tali (01:21:51):
Sure, yeah.
Kind of like the rituals.
Exactly.
Yeah.
It just kind of primes you topump up the energy and whatever
steps are necessary to get itrolling.
Yep.
But what I also like to do,Cody, if you're interested, what
if we made a vision boardthrough an essentialist lens?
Mm-hmm.
right now, we've got like 50fucking things up there.

(01:22:13):
What if we just paired it down?

Cody (01:22:16):
Like one per category?
Like one thing for the ranch,one thing for physical, one
thing for, yeah.
Time.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Tali (01:22:22):
Because I was telling you earlier today, like I just get
buried under all of the to-dosthat we have.
Mm-hmm.
I just don't feel energized byit when I feel like they've
piled too high.
Yeah, absolutely.
What do you think?
I like it.
I do too.
Okay.
And we can tuck all thosepictures away that are on the
vision board now, like to keepat a later time.
Mm-hmm.

(01:22:43):
But I like the idea of pickinglike one thing from each
category.
How cool.
Yeah.
Or

Cody (01:22:47):
maybe maybe leave a big vision board like that and you
have a little narrow thing rightthere.
And maybe we could just put likeone thing from each category on
that, that we're really workingtoward right now.
Yeah.
But I just

Tali (01:22:57):
like, don't want that up in my face.
Okay.
I get it.
I get, it's kinda like that bigto-do list and I'm also gonna
write that down.
It's like a possible thing forour couples to do together.
All right.
Vision building.
Cuz we've talked about a sharedvision Right.
As like a part of the trifecta,so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, that's good.
Hopefully we'll have a businessupdate for everyone listening

(01:23:17):
before this podcast comes out.
We've made a lot of changes inour pursuit to become online
coaches for both athletics andother so we'll, we'll, Elaborate
on that sometime soon.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
Or before you hear this, gosh,it's so weird being all
mismatched and out of order.

(01:23:38):
Well, I

Cody (01:23:38):
feel like we had some good ideas

Tali (01:23:39):
today.
I think so too.
Action steps.
That's what I really want fromthese podcast episodes are
action steps.
Some

Cody (01:23:45):
takeaways.
Yeah.
Yes.
So we finished up here withquite a few different action
steps.
You know, paring down into amore centralist viewpoint on the
things that you're desiring foroutcomes.
Asking yourself if you're beingchallenged in the categories of
those outcomes.
And maybe even make a list ofthe big categories in your life
and asking yourself if you'rebeing challenged in those

(01:24:05):
categories.
Because if you're not beingchallenged in a specific
category, there's a danger thatyou're atrophy.
and maybe even perishing goingbackwards.
So yeah, I think there's somegood takeaways there.
Well, and just,

Tali (01:24:19):
I think to just practice having the attitude that
challenges essential to life.
Yeah.
And a good life and enjoy it

Cody (01:24:26):
a good life.
Yeah.
And, and try to build a mindsetof enjoying challenges.
Not just the ones that come atyou where you're trying to like,
look on the bright side, whatcan I learn from this?
You know, that's one way ofreframing, but the other way of
reframing that I mentionedearlier, which is like, just
stay a little hungry.
You know?
So how is this gonna be good forme?
Stay a little bit on the edge,you know?
If you're, if you're working outin the gym, it should be a

(01:24:48):
little hard, you know?
Yes.
Like, oh gosh.
Yeah.
That's a hard one.
And so yeah, keep that presenceof mind to ask yourself if
you're really being challenged,cuz if not, you might be
slipping backwards.
Love it.
You

Tali (01:25:02):
wanna sign

Cody (01:25:02):
off?
Yeah.
I think that was great.
Thanks for this conversation.
Love you.
I love you hun.
See you next week.
See you next week.

Tali (01:25:11):
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