Bare Bones Banter with Will Person

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Sarah (00:03):
Welcome to The Mental Funny Bone.
I'm Sarah.
Uh, I'm joined by my beautiful,wonderful, amazing sister
Christine and our lovely internturned, co-host Becca.
And hello.
Today we have with us a guestwho has a story that runs from
adrenaline to advocacy.
Will person spent nearly adecade flying down icy tracks as

(00:26):
a team USA Bob's letter, and nowhe's taking on the silent
epidemic of CTE in winter sportsafter living through the hidden
fallout of repeated concussions.
He's turned his focus to realsolutions, including hyperbaric
oxygen therapy and launching aCTE recovery center to help
athletes and veterans will.

(00:48):
We're super happy to have youhere.
And, um, before we start, I justwanna say, I've been doing a
little bit of reading about yourstory, and I don't know if this
is the right word, I'm kind ofusing it in two different
contexts, but absolutelychilling in the, in the meaning
that, like the beginning of yourstory and the shit that you've
seen and gone through andexperienced, like heart

(01:10):
wrenching, giving me literallyfull body chills and then how
you're coming out of it and theawesome things that you're doing
for other people.
Also, full body chills.
So everything I've read aboutyou is just, it's, what's the
word I'm looking for?
Enthralling.
Is that the word?
Is that the right word?

Chris (01:27):
You pick the words and the people will tell you if
they're right or wrong.
Okay.
So anyway, you do.

Sarah (01:34):
Anyway, that's, that's really all I had to say.
I'll leave it to the other guysto ask questions and I will
probably jump in and interrupt athousand times with questions.
Again, thank you for being withus and I'm really excited to
hear more about what you'redoing.

Will (01:47):
Well, thank you for having me.
But also, I wanna say one thing,you were trying to, you were
saying the word enthralling orwhatever you used, like I've
lost, like I'm losing words seemlike hourly.
Yeah.
So there's a lot of words Ican't say anymore.
Then sometimes I see thesereally weird words and I'll be
like, oh my God, I know whatthat means.
And then I'll be a couple dayslater I'll be like, Hey, wait a
minute.
I already knew what that was.

(02:08):
So my mind is a little bit ish.
It's compromised.
Yeah.
Read any words.
If I don't understand, I'm gonnalet you know, but there's a lot
of words I just can't use oreven say'em anymore.

Sarah (02:17):
I can't imagine.
Like I, I've suffered a littlebit of brain fog from having
COVID a few times, and I imaginethat that is super minor
compared to the challenges that,that you overcome daily.
So I, I mean, I get it and Iwill lose my words a few times
as well.
So we'll do that together whilewe get through this.

Will (02:37):
Well, I appreciate, oh yeah, that's, that's the one
scary thing about my conditionis like, it looks like a lot of
other conditions.
So a lot of people haven't beengetting proper treatment or
diagnosis and like, I found onethe other day, this one might be
a little bit far off, so feelfree to pull me back in.
Uh, Kanye West released a newvideo, a documentary, and I

(02:57):
didn't wanna go see it, but I, Iwon, you know, my girlfriend
wanted to see it, so I wouldn'twant to go see it.
And, um, I'm watching this guyand I've always had, I don't
believe he's bipolar.
It doesn't.
Mental health was my background.
My first place I ever workedafter college.
I worked at the, um, it's thefirst mental health facility
west of the Mississippi River.
So you, all the extremebehaviors went there to get
help.

(03:18):
So I saw like from depressionall the way up to, uh, you know,
bipolar, schizophrenia, a lotof, lot of schizophrenic people.
Uh, what was the other ones?
Um, criminally insane.
I had some of those in theresometime and we all even had
people still floating around whohad lobotomies back in the day.
They were still alive back then.
Yeah, it's crazy.
So I saw, so when I see Kanye, Iwas like, that's not bipolar.

(03:40):
Maybe schizophrenic, butdefinitely not bi.
So as I'm watching his, hisdocumentary, I was like, you
know what, his mannerisms andthe stuff he's exploding, it
looks just like people with CTEand or post-concussion stuff.
Then I remember he rapped me inone of his videos or songs he
raps about almost not getting acontract because he had a bad

(04:01):
car accident.
He broke his jaw and I'm like,that's the head injury.
Wait a minute.
And then the biggest thing whenI did the math, when you get a
bipolar or a schizophrenicdiagnosis, you get that around
age 18, maybe 21, but you're notmaking it past 21 without that
diagnosis.
'cause usually you're doingsomething bizarre and
everybody's seeing it and you'regoing to get that medicine.

(04:23):
Your teachers, somebody's gonnasee it and you're gonna get that
diagnosis.
How did he get his at 40?
That's just no.

Sarah (04:31):
Yeah.

Will (04:31):
So I start connecting the dots.
I says probably was the headinjury that he had in that car
back then.
Just like myself.
They didn't treat that stuff.
And I'll tell you how sure I amabout it.
I lined up, I did a little map,I lined up my symptoms and when
they kicked in,'cause my first,uh, concussion was in 2002 in
Switzerland.

(04:52):
And then about 10 years, 12, Istarted having, I hit red flags
the whole time, but nothing too,things I can minimize and I
would think about too much.
But in 2012, they kicked instrong.
And then around 2018 to 20, theywere just kicking my butt where
I just couldn't deny it anymore.

(05:12):
And, and so my thing is like,head injuries don't get
diagnosed.
They don't get treated at all.
You know, they always tell you,hit your head, don't go to
sleep.
That, that's it.
That was the treatment.
Mm-hmm.
So I promise you, you'veprobably been misdiagnosed and
he probably is dealing with aconcussion from that car
accident.
That's what my gut tells me,because nobody gets that
diagnosis at 40.

(05:32):
No, nobody, I've never seen it.
Never.

Sarah (05:35):
That makes sense.
That is wild and scary.
Very scary.

Will (05:40):
Yeah.
It, it really is.
It really is.
Yeah.

Chris (05:43):
Great.
Will, can you, can you just giveus a, a brief description of,
of, of your story.
Tell us how, tell us how, tellus how you ended up on the
bobsled team.

Will (05:52):
Well, since you guys like the comedy side, I'm gonna tell
you the truth.

Chris (05:55):
Yes.
I love it.

Will (05:57):
I got on the bobsled team because this guy tricked me.
It tricked me.
I was training at Utah at thetime, at uh, Brigham Mill
University, and uh, I was asprinter long jumper, so I'm one
of the fastest Americans in thestate at the time.
So right on, right, right beforethe 2002 won Olympics in Salt
Lake, they had, uh, open tryoutsfor Bob State team.

(06:18):
So my phone started ringing andI'm just like, nah, I don't
wanna try.
That looks stupid, that looklike dangerous.
I don't wanna do it.
And when I was a kid, theyplayed this thing on tv.
It was called, uh, wide World ofSports.
It was the Agni of defeat.
So it was always this guy skiingand he, he gets all mangled up
and you see the pops, theycrash.
Come right after that.
So I remember that as a kid.
I was like, I don't wanna dothat.

(06:39):
But it was my last, probablylast year or so, going to be a
track and field athlete.
I was about 28 years old and atthat time I was doing football
movies like Jeremy Maguire.
Any given Sunday I was doinglike, uh, they put a uniform on
me and liked to watch me runfast and.
Make, make, make the actors looklike, make Cuba look like a real
football player.
That that's what we did.

(07:01):
You know?
And so I'm doing that stuff andum, God, I apologize guys.
This is part of my issue when Istart talking, like sometime
I'll just, like, where did Istart this thing at?
And you might have to bring meback.
What was the question?
I apologize.
This is like, this is the issueright here.
This is the, no, we're here for

Chris (07:17):
it.
It's fine.
Yeah, yeah.
We're, we get it?
Uh, a little bit.
We asked you to tell us how youended up on the team.
Okay,

Will (07:23):
got it.
Got it.
Yeah.
So anyway, this guy, they calledme up for this tryout.
It's being covered by a showcalled Go For the Gold on NBC.
And I said, well, maybe I'll geta sponsor outta this.
So I went up for the tryout,didn't really want to do it, but
I saw the first 30 people dothis tryout.
They took this, uh, treadmilland they put it like on the
highest elevation.
So it's steep, it's hooked up tothis computer.

(07:46):
And so it punch in 10 miles anhour.
And the faster I run on thisthing, the more pressure I
apply, the quicker I get to 10miles an hour.
So I do that.
When I finished the guy, hiseyes were like this big.
So I did either really good orreally bad.
I didn't know which one.
So remember, NBC's coveringthis, all these hot lights are
on me.

(08:06):
He puts his arm around me.
He's like, Hey, brother, if I,if I offer you$50,000 for the
next three months, would youraise some of my Bob Slit team?
And at that time, I owned ayouth treatment facility.
So I'm a business guy.
I was a business guy back then.
So I gave him the educatedanswer, well, if it's a fair
price, if not, we canrenegotiate later.
But in the back of my head, I'mlike, 50 grand for three months,
please.
Right this.

(08:27):
Write my check right now.
Now, the ironic part is on myfirst day at the track, we get
up there, one of my teammatesfrom college sees me getting off
the truck with the bobsled.
He said, man, I've been tryingto call you.
I've been trying to call you.
Get come on our team.
So then this new driver, hepanics.
He's like, Hey, wait a minute.
Don't leave me.
I'm gonna get you more money,something.
I'm gonna get a real bigpaycheck.

(08:48):
The ending to that story is.
Most of our bobsleds wereshaped, they built by NASCAR
back then, so they're shapedlike race cars.
This guy's sled was shaped likea spaceship.
It had a bubble on it.
So no matter how fast I pushedthat sled, the women were
beating us to the bottom of thehill.
Like we weren't gonna winanything.
I found out he didn't have anysponsors, he didn't have any
money.

(09:09):
And by the time I realized thaton the first couple days, I
wound up getting picked up by abeer team and I raced in the
Americas Cup race that firstweek.
So that, that trial was on aWednesday.
But that next Wednesday,Thursday, I was racing.
I won a medal.
NBC ran that story, and it wasjust fun.
It was different.
And I just stuck around for, youknow, nine more years.
So that's how I got into thesport.

(09:30):
The guy, he tricked me.
He really tricked

Sarah (09:32):
me.
He corrected me.

Will (09:33):
Yeah.
That sport was, you know, itcosts you money.
You don't, you don't make money.
It costs you money.
Yeah.

Chris (09:40):
Oh, that is, that's that.
I love that story.
I love it.
I, and I am, um, one of thosepeople that loves the Olympics.
Like I, I am religious aboutwatching it.
I don't care what the sport is.
I got into curling for a bit.
I'm like, the, the curling isthe best sport.
Like Yeah, well, or, uh, I meanafter, after Bob's sledding.

Will (10:02):
Okay.
I, I prefer Curly now, so I wasgonna say, I'm, I'm still going
through with Curly Day.
Yeah.

Chris (10:10):
But, but that is like, I, I've always, always been curious
about it.
So tell us, um, tell us how yougot, how, tell us how you got
hurt.

Will (10:18):
Well, that's where the dilemma comes in.
That's one reason why I filed aclass action.
Nobody was talking.
There was suicide.
After suicide.
There was, uh, people gettingsick, Parkinson's, and oh man,
nobody's talking.
And I'm thinking like, no, weare not gonna do this.
I'm not gonna keep buryingfriends.
And then we get together andpretend like, oh, poor guy.

(10:40):
You know?
And so it was kinda like.
I don't actually know the truthbecause what, there's a lot of,
uh, different parts of thisthing.
Like we know about theconcussions from crashing.
I also now know, like every timewe went down that track, if
there was vibrations on there,we would get micro concussions,
which is almost every time yougo down that track.
So I was getting a concussionevery time I went down that

(11:01):
track.
Pretty much.
Now the big concussions arebetter because they make you sit
down.
You can't do anything.
Like my first real concussionwas in St.
Mar, Switzerland.
Like I couldn't walk straightfor a week, like I had vertigo.
And so, you know, you can't goagain, you know, but when you
have the micro concussions, it'sdoing the same damage, but you

(11:23):
could still function as normal.
So you could, you just kind ofkeep doing what you're doing so
you're not getting that rest.
And that's why they're the mostdangerous.
'cause you don't sit down.
And I probably, I went down thattrack between one to six times
per day, three or four days aweek, sometimes five days a
week.
I did that for four to fivemonths of the year for nine
years.
So I literally have hundreds andhundreds of, uh, trips down that

(11:44):
track.
So it's, um, and then there wasanother piece of that thing when
we were, when I was racing, wehad these people, we call'em
forerunners.
So we'll come out, they'll get atest sled, we'll send'em down
the track, they'll get the notartaking the trip to the bobsled,
and we'll have somebody test ourTI system.
So it's usually VIP people, likecelebrities or, but this one

(12:05):
time we took fighter pilots.
They're the only people on theplanet that pull the same GForce
as us.
Like you, you see'em flying thisway, the next thing you know,
they're going the other way.
So that's what the bobsled does.
Yeah.
We going, you know, here, thenext thing we do, those faint
turns.
And so what it does, it takesall the blood from your head and
it just shoots it throughoutyour body.
So a lot of people black out onthat or faint or whatever.
And so when we took the fighterpilots down, now remember they

(12:28):
pull, we're supposedly pullingfive G'S max, the fighter pilots
pulling her between 12 to 15.
I've heard different numbers inthere.
So, but when we took'em downthat track, when they got out
the slid, they were shook up andI was like, wait a minute, I
took six rides that day.
You took one.
Why are they shook up like that?
So there was an article thatcame out by the New York Times

(12:49):
in, uh, December of 2024.
And all the pilots have the sameissues as the bobsleds.
So it's the G forces.
It's the G forces.
So now take the G forces that'skilling our fighter pilots.
Now it's killing the bobett.
And then take that same bopsletter and bang his head against
the ice and concuss him.

(13:10):
So it's the perfect storm forjust like destruction.
Yeah.
Which I didn't know when Istarted this sport.

Sarah (13:17):
Well, who does, like, I I, this is what I don't
understand because I obviouslydidn't know any of that until I
started reading about you and Iwas reading about the fighter
pilots and the, the miniconcussions that you guys suffer
constantly, basically.
Nobody knows about this shit.
Why are we still doing this?
Like why?
Maybe that's a naive question,but why are we still letting

(13:40):
people get in these sleds?

Will (13:41):
Because they rather try to buy you off.
Which I won't allow right.
Than to speak up.
So, and that other part that Iforgot to tell you about it was
what the G-Force is.
Wait a minute.
It was, um, okay.
Fighter pilots 12 to 15 Gs,right?
We're supposedly pulling five.
Space shuttle is internet saysis three.
But that don't make sense to me.
How could space shuttle do threeGs?

(14:03):
We actually, there's an articleout called Sled Head and in that
article they tested some of thetracks and one of the tracks
they tested was in Canada therewere spikes of 84.5 Gs 84.
So if our fighter pilots wereblacking out, well they're used
to 12 and they're blacking outwith us now.
I know why.

(14:24):
So nobody's connecting thesestories.
I'm only connecting it'cause Iwas there.
Nobody else really listening tohear this story.
Like I'm the only one talkingabout it because I found that
article.
Yeah.
Now this is the ironic part.
I challenge you to go to the NewYork Times website and find that
article.
You'll find the old link, youclick on it, it won't work.
They scrubbed it from the net.

(14:45):
Who did it?
I don't know.
But if you want it, I can giveit to you.
Because I wrote to the Arthur,the person who wrote it, and he
sent it to me directly, so Ihave it.

Chris (14:53):
I would love a copy of that.
But they

Will (14:54):
scrubbed it from the internet.
Yeah.
They also did an article episodeon us on uh, HBO Real Sports.
Now go back to that website,HBO, you can find every episode
they've ever done, but you won'tfind the bops level anymore.
So where did that one go?
I, you know, I can't make thisstuff up.
It's just,

Chris (15:12):
that is wild.

Will (15:14):
Yeah.

Becca (15:17):
I'm so surprised about though, is the fact that like Ct
E is in football and that's evenstill like a huge issue, but
it's like, I feel like Bobsetting is very.
Very niche in a sense of like,I'm not a high school kid, being
like, let me go on my bobsledteam.
Yeah.
So I'm just very surprised thatthey're trying to erase it

(15:38):
instead of like bringing it tolight because not many people
know about this.
It's just, yeah.

Will (15:44):
And, and the other thing is in court, one thing I told
them that is non-negotiable'cause I'm a lead plaintiff, so
I only I can sign off on theoffers that come through.
I said, the one thing that isnot negotiable, you have to warn
the new generation before theystart the sport.
It's too late for me.
You guys tricked me.
You tricked all of my teammates.
I've seen people get tricked.
Every party came up there, gottricked the same way I said,

(16:06):
that has to stop.
And so they're fighting me onthat right now on the wording of
what that sounds like.
And I'm like, absolutely not.
I'm not signing off on that.
And so like right now, my lastthree court hearings, it was
literally my lawyer, the Olympicteam's lawyer and Olympic team
on one side.
And it is me by myself standinglike this.
No.

(16:26):
And even I had court yesterday.
Same thing.
Same thing.
So yeah, they've done everybully tactic they can to get rid
of me and, and get me to signoff.
And I said, you're not gonnabully me.
Like you've already killed me.
You're not gonna bully me.

Sarah (16:42):
Like, like you said, you're there by yourself.
The, the, your lawyers on theother side.
Do you have like, no one iscoming out from the bobsled
community to, to back up to helpyou either.
Like

Will (16:56):
the, the athletes were standing with me'cause they're
all sick.

Sarah (16:59):
Yeah, they're

Will (16:59):
all sick.
But I'm the only one thatliving, I'm the only one that's
around this area in Los Angeles.
So they're not flying in forcourt and stop.
I

Chris (17:06):
think, I think this is a lot like you see the, the same
things.
It's, it's money and it'stradition.
Right?
Like the, the us the US Olympicsis, is a business.
Yeah.
It's, it's represents thepatriotism and, and nationalism
and all that, but they're stillthere to make money.
Yeah, we still have operatingcosts that they have to cover.

(17:29):
They're, they're there to makemoney and it's tradition, right?
Like, why would I, I'm thebobsled coach.
I still have to put a productout there.
I'm not gonna, I'm not gonnajeopardize that by saying Yeah,
we're so sorry.
Yeah.
We should probably tell it's thesame thing in football, it's the
same thing in, even Sarah and Iboth have children that, that
play fairly competitive sports.

(17:51):
And it's the same thing.
Like we're, we're not talkingabout concussions, we're not
talking about these kidsspecializing in a single sport
way early.
Like

Will (18:01):
Yeah.
Because

Chris (18:02):
those clubs are there to make money and Yeah.
I mean, I think, I think that'spart of it.
That's part of why we continueto, to, that's why people
continue to play and watchfootball.
That's why people continue toplay and watch these other
sports is because it's traditionand there's money to be made
there.
And we live in a society thatreally values that.

Will (18:22):
And one thing that I've noticed, uh, the sad part is
exactly what you said about themoney is a hundred percent.
That's why they're fighting meso hard on this.
But when it comes down to thelittle league, like the little
kids playing, that's not aboutmoney.
Some people might make a, somecoaches might make a little bit
of money doing that, butsometimes those are the worst
people who be coaching.
'cause those are usually guys,they have such a passion for the

(18:43):
sport, but they need to make thecollege team, they probably
didn't make their high schoolteam.
Yep.
They definitely didn't go pro.
So they, they come in with awhole nother level of that.
What's, what's a good word?
Like, you know, they wouldn'tsay fans, fanatics, they're
fanatics.
Right.
So they're out there teachingthem the kill, you know, you
knock that person.
And one thing I hear'em say alot, um, around that sport is
like, you know, knock their,knock their, well since you cuss

(19:06):
a lot, they be saying, knocktheir dick in the dirt.

Sarah (19:08):
There you go.
So,

Will (19:09):
yeah.
That's really what, you know,that's what I'm yelling at
Owen's

Sarah (19:11):
next soccer game.

Will (19:13):
Just kidding.
Just

Sarah (19:14):
kidding.

Will (19:14):
Exactly.
Now you have to be careful.
Soccer is the number one sportfor CTE now.

Sarah (19:19):
Yeah, I was actually, I was just talking to Owen about
it.
Owen is my son, and he askedsomething and I was like, well,
I have an interview tonight.
And I was telling him a littlebit about you will.
And, um, I was like, it's, youknow, it's, we hear a lot about
it at NFL level, but we don'thear about it in other sports.
And I said, it's super, it'ssuper common with soccer players
and nobody talks about it.

(19:40):
And esp especially like ourkids, every time one of those
kids goes up to head the ball orthey go up in the air together,
my heart sinks.
Like, I'm like, like, yeah,it's, but yeah, it's super, I
mean.
Christine, I don't know if youremember one of the World Cups
or whatever.
Abby Wambach went up for aheader and collided and came
down with blood all over herface.

(20:00):
Like they wrapped, they wrappedthat girl up and sent her right
back in.
You get back in there.
Wow.
Yeah.
You get back in there.

Chris (20:06):
Well, yeah, I mean, it's the, it's the same thing like,
uh, well, and I don't know ifyou can, if you would talk about
this for us, when, when you'reon, when you're on a competitive
team and when you are, whenyou're in the fight like that,
like, and Abby Womack's a good,a good example.
Like, yeah, you probably shouldsit out after you bash your head
against somebody else and spewblood.

(20:26):
But we are as athletesconditioned to be like, I'm
fine.
I wanna play at all costs.
Right.
And our coaches are conditionedto like, we wanna win at all
costs.
So can you talk about what itwas like to, to, you know, get
injured?
Yeah.
And then take yourself out or belike, no, no, I'm good.
Let's go.

Will (20:45):
Well, that happens to, like all of us, for example, my,
one of my, uh.
My first World Cup crash was in,uh, St.
Mary Switzerland.
It was, um, about a month beforethe 2002 Winter Olympic Games,
and it was a really nasty crash.
Matter of fact, the guy in thesled with me, one of the guys
that sled with me, he wasknocked unconscious and, um,

(21:05):
while he, like, they had toreally wake him up.
And so they sent us back to thehotel and what they told us was,
watch each other.
Make sure you don't go to sleep.
So is the guy who's underunconscious supposed to watch
me, right.
Or am I, or the guy with thevertical who can't sit up in the
bed with a room spin is supposedto watch him watch each other.
So yeah, it's almost like theyreally sent us back there to, to

(21:29):
die, really, you know?
And that's just kinda what thesport is.
Another World Cup I went to wasin Alburg, Germany.
We went down that track and wecrashed.
We went back to the top, wentdown again, crashed me again.
Within an hour was doubt I wasout.
I should not have been back inthat sled.
And then they wanted me to go athird time.
I was like, no, again, we gottaalternate for a reason.
Bring the alternate over.
I I, I can't do this again.

(21:50):
You know?
But it, the thing is there's abully.
It was always a bully mentality.
Yeah.
You're not tough enough to getback out there.
Yeah.
But also what I noticed with theathletes and, and I'm connecting
the dots now, like when youconcussed you don't have the
ability to, to sometimes say, Ishould not go again, or I can't
go again.
Right, right.
Like, if you really, reallyconcussed, you can't make that
decision.

(22:11):
Mm-hmm.
And you should not be makingthat decision.
You shouldn't

Sarah (22:13):
decision have to.
No.

Will (22:14):
Yeah.
You usually shouldn't have.
They should be automatically.
Mm-hmm.
You're out.
You know, and I, and that's sadto say,'cause you know, we put
in so much hard work and time tolose, to lose our, you know, our
race stuff to somebody who elsemade a mistake.
But it's either you wanna livewith live or you wanna, or you
wanna fade outta here the, thehard way, like the rest of us.

(22:36):
So that's, that is the hardpart.
Like, I just think that.
They need to do better withstopping this stuff and making
it and all, all the sports.
Not just, not just

Chris (22:44):
Yeah, I agree.
I agree.
Like it's a, you know, I justlistened to maybe six hours of a
podcast about CTE and Wow.
Well, it was a, it was aboutlike some of the pro athletes
that have, well, pro footballplayers that have just really
kind of, uh, gone off, gone offthe rails and, and done some

(23:04):
horrific things to, to eitherthemselves or or to their, yes.
To, to their friends and it, youknow.
Talk to us a little bit aboutwhat it's like to live with CT
sort of in your, in your dailylife.
Like you've, you've shown us alittle of like, yeah, I gotta go
back and pick up theconversation thread when I drop
it.
What, what else is the, theimpact of living with CTE?

(23:27):
What's it like?
Can I, oh, I'm

Sarah (23:28):
sorry.
I just wanna add onto that kindof start with.
What, what happened, whatstarted and what really made you
say, wow, this is what I've gotgoing on and I really need to, I
really need to figure this out.
And, and what's the daily lifelike?
And what was the last push thatmade you say, voice needs to be

(23:48):
heard and I'm gonna be the onewho's gonna be it?

Will (23:51):
Well, the starting with, I had, I had red flags when I was
still competing.
And the, and the truth of it islike, I didn't know what it was.
For years I thought I wasbecoming diabetic because I had
these moments where I, it wasrandom days of cloudish random.
They were very random, you know?
Then it went from random days ofcloudiness to random days of
clarity.
And it was a slow progression.
I didn't, I didn't see itcoming, so I thought I had low

(24:13):
blood sugar and I know peoplelike that, and that's diabetes.
So 15 years, I'm going to seedoctors every year.
Okay, can I at least get myinsulin, you know, prescription
this year so I can move on withmy life?
And they're checking me and theywere like, you don't have
diabetes?
And I'm like, that's impossible.
I tried to explain to them, andyou know what, all the doctors
did the same thing.
They checked my blood, theynever checked my brain.

(24:35):
And so they allowed me to justwalk through life.
And it got a little bit worse, alittle bit worse.
And then one day, um, I was inmy apartment and in LA and one
of my old teammates called me,PA Vic.
And uh, he wanted to be awriter, right?
And I was writing shows in LA atthe time, I was documentaries

(24:56):
or, or reality stuff, and acouple scripts here and there.
So I would give him ideas.
So he's calling me with thesebrilliant ideas.
I'm like, wow, that's so out thebox.
I, that's brilliant.
You know, I was giving ways tokind of spruce it up so we can,
you know, get it made.
And, and then, uh, I justconnected these dots over the
last few weeks.
So this was prior to 18 when hewas calling me.

(25:17):
And so now what I know is hismind was slipping, the stuff he
was telling me.
They were so weird and creative,what I thought was creative
writing.
It wasn't creative writing.
His mind was slipping becausethe very next time he called me,
he was speaking ish.
Like, rah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was, it was something weirdlike that.
And I was like, what?

(25:37):
He got so frustrated.
He hung up the phone.
And, um, like I used to owntreatment facility.
I've worked in a few of'em.
I've run some really big ones.
Mental, mental health is mybackground.
So I told myself every singleday, I gotta get him some help.
I gotta get him some help.
And the truth is, I didn't doanything to help him at all.
I just sat in my apartment everyday saying that someone called

(25:59):
me.
I got the word that, uh, he wentto his family's factory, and,
uh, he hung himself.
And, uh, I felt guilty.
I felt responsible.

Chris (26:08):
Yep.
Yeah, we, we, we talk to peoplea lot who kind of go through
the, who kind of go through thesame thing.
I'm very sorry that thathappened.
And, um, I know it's, itdoesn't, it doesn't.
Help for me to say it, but youcan't blame yourself for these
things.

Will (26:22):
Absolutely.
Oh, two things happened.
His autopsy came back and wefound out he was in stage four.
So that was nothing I could havedone that was gonna help him.
But this is where it gets reallyweird.
When I was in my apartmentsaying I gotta help this guy,
every day I was literallycrawling on the floor in my own
apartment.
Like I was struggling.

(26:43):
I had take the mattress off ofmy bed, put in the living room,
and I so I can crawl to thekitchen, I can crawl to the
restroom.
You know, if I need to get outthe house, I can crawl to that
front door if I needed to onthat day.
And so I couldn't help him'causeI needed help.

Sarah (26:57):
Right.
And

Will (26:57):
then that's when I started asking questions and um, found
out it was all my teammates, itwas everybody I spoke to, same
stuff.
Uh, but the ironic part is whenI called my teammates, they all
said the same thing.
Oh, I'm doing good.
It didn't get me all thesymptoms missed me.
I said the same thing, you know,and, and I just let'em talk for
a little bit.
Then I start hearing all theweird stuff that's going on in

(27:17):
their life of things thatthey've done and like, what?
And I was like, no, buddy, I'mthinking you're not okay.
Mm-hmm.
So that's when I started callingfor help.
And, um, and that's what took usto court.
And that's why we're there now.
Still there now.
Yeah.

Becca (27:31):
Absolutely.
And then going off of, um, youbeing in court, from what I've
read, they just want to adviseand check up on kids versus
actually being like, Hey, here'swhat you're getting into.
Right?
Yeah.
Like that, that just feelsweird.
Well, well will

Chris (27:51):
it, if, do you, do you mind if I jump in?
I don't wanna, please do,

Will (27:54):
please do

Chris (27:55):
I jump in?
But it, it, like, going back tothe, to the, to the money
factor.
One of the commissioners offootball, and I forget the exact
statistic, but one of thecommissioners in football,
Becca, when they're, whenthey're talking about CTE.
Was like, all it would take is10% of the football parents to

(28:15):
be like, yeah, we're not gonnalet my kid play to completely
destroy the entire sport.
And that is a sport thatpractically every boy plays.
Now imagine what that's going todo to bobsledding.
Imagine what that's going to doto soccer.
Soccer.
This is the, I mean, and the,again, the, the US Olympic team
is a, is a business.

(28:36):
The NFL is a business.
They're like, well just, we'lljust tamp it down.
And like, it is the, it is oneof the saddest things that, that
I can think of that you wouldlet people jeopardize their
children's brains in order toperpetuate a tradition.
Like, it, it, it's upsetting ona fundamental level.
It's

Sarah (28:56):
fucking infuriating.
I mean, infuriating.
No, like.
Fuck is wrong with people.
Sorry.
It just, it's, it's Madden.
I, I wanted

Will (29:07):
the same thing.

Sarah (29:07):
It's Madden.
I can't

Will (29:08):
believe they're, yeah.
I can't even believe they'restill fighting me on it.
Like if you really fight me onone of the new generation, like
really, like who the hell areyou to do something like that?

Chris (29:19):
That is wild.

Will (29:21):
Yeah.
And I'll tell you the wild partas of now, like I said, I had
court yesterday.
It's all the lawyers includingmine, standing together versus
me.
And I have no law experience.
I don't, I struggle.
I, I'm cloudy, I still havecloudy days.
I still have days where I'm justnot all dirty, be doing certain
things.

(29:41):
Some days my speech is still alittle bit slurred, but I'm
doing way better than where Iwas like at one point, like
every day was a bad day.
Like I could let it, no suchthing was a good day.
Every day I prayed for death.
Every day I just ask God, justplease don't wake me up.
I couldn't kill myself'cause my,I don't hurt my family or my
friends.
And because I was a counselor,all these things that I taught
these hundreds of people overthe years about suicide, like I

(30:04):
had this saying that I taughtpeople and it's like, and it
went like this, if today is agood day for suicide, tomorrow
will also be a good day.
So it always gets me to the nextday.
So I, I always taught that.
So as I'm struggling and I wantto end this thing so bad and I'm
just thinking like, I can'tdestroy my family with this, but
if I go in my sleep, I'll beokay.

(30:26):
And I just pray and just, Godjust come and like, and I hate
to even say this part here, butI had an uncle who, he went for
a physical at work and yearlyphysical, I'm sorry, you one
more thing.
Tongue sometime may just slur itjust, yeah, it's gonna do what
it does.
Do it.
I used to be so embarrassed Iwouldn't talk to people, but

Sarah (30:44):
No, no.
My

Will (30:45):
uncle, he went into this yearly physical.
And the doctor was like, youknow, Mr.
Winterton, are you okay?
You feeling okay?
He's like, yeah, I feel great.
He said, you on stage fourpancreatic cancer.
And my uncle, he just died likequick.
It was quick.
And so I was, here I am prayingfor pancreatic cancer.
Who, who pays, who prays forcancer?

(31:05):
This guy was,'cause I, man, Iwas like, just get me outta
here.

Sarah (31:09):
You were hurting.
Yeah.
And you were, you were hurtingbad.
So, so how did you get from thatto where you are now?

Will (31:17):
Well, uh, Joe Namath.

Sarah (31:20):
Okay.

Will (31:20):
Joe Namath, old football guy.
Uh, I, let me take that back.
Football guy, I don't mean todisrespect him at all.
He, uh, put out some videos andin the videos he said he
reversed his CTE symptoms byusing hyperbaric oxygen.
And that was really nothing forme to try.
If you look up, if you look upct, you see all the devastating
stuff.
You don't see anything about howto help.

(31:42):
Mm-hmm.
And so I said, what have I gotto lose?
So I went and tried it and thecrazy part is.
Most time I wear these glasses,they're slightly tinted.
I dunno if you can really seethat or not.
A little bit.
Yeah.
But they're tinted like at thetop.
So I'm sensitive to light smellsand sound.
So I get in this chamber, I'm inthere for one hour.

(32:02):
I get out, I grab my glasses andI go, I do this, and I take'em
off.
And I just kept doing that for awhile.
And then a salesman comes over,he said, what's wrong?
And I was like, I don't know,they don't think I need my
glasses.
And he was like, oh, you one ofthose.
And I was like, okay, here's thesalesman.
Come, he is about to sell menow.
And uh, he was right.
But no, he, he was really right.

(32:23):
Some people get immediate reliefand some people need like 30
days of two a day for 30 days toget that same relief.
But for me it's pretty instant.
So all of a sudden I wentoutside and I looked, the skies
were extra blue.
I don't think I was seeingcolors for a while.
I'm not really sure.
Yeah.
But everything was so vivid.
And then I went home that night.

(32:44):
I laid down, remember waking upabout seven o'clock or nine
o'clock, I don't forget whattime it was, whatever.
One of my migraines came back,hadn't had one in a while, so
I'm thinking, oh my God, thischamber really, maybe it was a
bad idea.
And then I woke up in themorning.
I still had that migraine, butit was going down.
But as it was fading out, mycloudiness was gone and I was

(33:05):
clear for six days and I waslike, whoa.
I said, maybe it was just afluke or placebo.
I went back the next week, didit.
I was clear for nine days and Iwas like, oh my God, you know?
And then, but the, this is wherethe scary part come in now I
need$20,000 to buy a chamber formy home.
And so before I could even raisethe money, I had already faded

(33:29):
all the way back.
Like I had never had treatmentbefore.
I was cloudy.
I laid in that floor, I wasready to pass again.
Mm-hmm.
And uh, my dad stepped in and hewas like, wait a minute.
That thing was helping you.
Here's the money.
Go get the machine, because hekept trying to help me.
I was like, nah, I don't, Idon't know.
I get it.
I'll move somebody around later.
Next thing you know, I was, Iwas gone again, I was out.

(33:51):
But when that machine showed up,man, it's, it's just saved me.
So I, I keep one in my back roomand I, I started out doing like
five days a week.
Now I just make sure I, at leastthree days a week.
But for me, some people get thatpermanent relief.
I, I don't, I don't get that.
Like if I go a month without it,I go backwards.
But I also had hundreds andhundreds of concussions on me.

(34:14):
Yeah.
I don't know if that's thereason.
Some people say if I use ahigher pressure chamber, it'll
be different.
It'll get better.
So I just, I did one last weekand there is a difference, but
I'm gonna go back and do a fewmore and see if it makes a huge
difference.

Becca (34:28):
What is hyperbaric, hyperbaric, hyperbaric,
hypobaric.
What?
Is that, I was gonna say,because on your GoFundMe, you're
looking at a four chamber one,but it sounds like you have a
solo chamber.
So what is the process?
Yeah, what does that look?
It's a four

Sarah (34:44):
chamber.
Like you stick four people inthere and do you have a, lemme
see

Will (34:47):
if I
can
take you guys.
Hyper bear party, your podcast.
Lemme do this.
I'm going to see if I'll takeyou guys to it about that.
This is so funny.
Oh my gosh.
I've never done this before.
So

Becca (34:57):
trip, field trip.

Will (34:58):
Your bedroom is junky.
Don't be, don't laugh at me.

Becca (35:00):
We don't judge.
That's alright.
I'm recording from my mom'sbasement right now.
So Becca, that's the time oflife.

Will (35:09):
I can't flip the camera around, so I'll do this.
Okay.

Becca (35:12):
Okay.

Will (35:12):
This is what my camera looks like,

Becca (35:14):
looks interesting.

Will (35:16):
So I climb in where these is like, those are zippers at
the top.
Yeah.
Let me see.
I climb in up here.
Uh, right there.
It's like the middle of the topclimbing through there.
It has a bunch of windows on itso you don't get claustrophobic
or anything like that.
This thing's about eight, ninefeet long and um, this is the
machines that drive it.
Wow.
This one here pushed thepressure in it dehydrator

(35:40):
moisture from going in there andthen that's an oxygen
concentrator.
A lot of'em don't come withthat, but if you ever had long
COVID, that's what that thing isfor.
Like it'll help you.
That's all the machines theywere looking for to when COVID
was around, they couldn't findthem.
Wow.
It's those type things.
Yeah.
So if you have long COVID, thatthing will kind of help you turn
that stuff around quick.

Becca (36:01):
Oh my gosh.
That is not what I thought theywere going to look like at all.
Thank you for showing us.

Will (36:06):
They got different kinds, but that's what the soft chamber
is.
That's what they all look like.
They got different ones thatshape where you can take like a,
um, a wheelchair in'em.
They got different ones, shapeddifferent ways for people with
different medical conditions.

Sarah (36:18):
Can you go in there and just take a nap?
No.

Will (36:20):
Do you know what?
I was so weak when I got thatthing.
Every time I got in there I wassleep.

Sarah (36:24):
Yeah, I feel like that's what I would do.
I would just cocoon myself inthere and just take a nap.

Will (36:30):
It seems like, I'll be honest, like for a while it
became a chore, so, yeah.
And I was so depressed becauselike Joe Na said, he got
permanent relief.
I saw other people who said theygot permanent relief, so why
does mine wore off?
And I was like, I was so sadsometime, and I just didn't want
to get in there sometime.
And I saw a gentleman, he livedin his, his thing, it's a thing

(36:52):
shaped like that, called a, Ithink it was two people, like
with polio and things like that.
He lived in that thing for 57years.
Mm-hmm.
And I saw a video on him.
He just, he passed last year.
He died last year.
But he had such a great attitudeand I, I looked at myself and I
was like, well, you go in therefor one hour to 90 minutes max,
shut the hell up.
You're blessed to have it.

(37:12):
Stop complaining.
Get in there, you know.
But I do hope to be one-on-oneswho get that permanent leave one
day.

Sarah (37:21):
So the permanent relief, like did they have to do it for
a certain amount of time andthen the permanent relief comes,
or was it like instantaneous?
I guess I'm asking like exactlywhat is permanent relief so they
never have to go back in oneagain, ever.

Will (37:35):
Well, there's two parts to that.
Some people who said it, theyuh, they never have to use it
again.
Then also there's these peoplethat told me they have permanent
relief and I listen to them talksometime and I'll start hearing
a red flag and I'm thinkingmaybe you should get back in
there.
But yeah, I try not to reallymeddle too much when it comes to
that.
But yeah, I, I've seen bothsides of it.

(37:56):
Some people get that permanentrelief, they never have to get
back in there again.
And there's some who say theyhave it, but they probably need
to get back in there again.

Sarah (38:02):
Yeah.

Will (38:03):
Uh, and usually I think it's around 120 hours is they do
sessions of 40 sessions ingroups of three.
You know, for me I'm probably540 hours or 30 hours inside my
chamber already.

Sarah (38:18):
So

Will (38:18):
I've been doing this since 2022.
And, um, like I said, it, itkeeps me off the edge.
I don't, uh, yeah, it keeps mefrom going back to the dark
place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then I can talk as long timeI, I could barely talk.
I was struggling when, you know.
Yeah.

Becca (38:35):
So That's awesome.
Oh, go for it.
I'll let you go.

Sarah (38:38):
The, the four chamber, I'm interested in the four
chamber.
What's a four chamber look like?

Will (38:43):
Uh, man, it's, most of the, the four chambers are all
gonna be made out of me.

Sarah (38:47):
Okay.

Will (38:48):
Looks like a Disney ride or something.

Sarah (38:49):
Okay.

Will (38:50):
You Google it, you'll, you'll see a bunch of different
ones and so yeah, that just afour chamber.
So'em have like these recliningchairs in there.
You have four people going thereat once.
That's it.
Cool.
Yeah.
They just, yes.
No different than that.
It's just shaped different.
And they have, if you have themetal ones, then you can do a
higher pressure, which means youcan, the, the oxygen gets a
little bit more concentratingdeeper into the body.

(39:11):
For example, a lot of peoplewith cancer, they put'em through
there'cause cancer doesn't likeoxygenated areas.

Sarah (39:17):
Okay,

Will (39:17):
so new doctors, old school, not so much, but the
newer doctors, they'll sendtheir patients in there before
treatment, before chemo orradiation during treatment, and
then when they get out, becauseit kinda helps break down
everything.

Sarah (39:32):
So speaking of doctors, do you have any doctors on,
like, I'm assuming with thecourt case you have doctors who
are, what's the word?
What's the word I'm looking for?
Not reporting on, but like, uh,yeah.
Who were sharing their expectexpertise with the courts and
whatnot.
Do you have specific doctorsthat are working with you?

Will (39:56):
At one point, my lawyers had, uh, people would do like a
re do reports, you know, they'lldo reports and the truth is, I
don't know what happened.
I, uh, I gotta make sure I evensee it so I don't slam it.

Becca (40:09):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Hundred percent, however, andyou worry, I can also edit it to
make it look like you don'tslander anybody.

Will (40:15):
Perfect man.
I just tell the truth, like theywere fighting for us and all of
a sudden they weren't.
Matter of fact, they told methis case was always only about
monitoring.
And so I went through my emailsand I pull up, and they even
said this in court.
And so I pull up the emails outand I showed'em right here.
This paper says you going formedical monitoring and care for

(40:37):
life?
I told the judge this justyesterday.
I said, there is no careanywhere inside this offer.
They have.
They really wanna just monitorus and watch us document us
dying.
That's what, if we participatein this, that's what they're
gonna do.
And so, yeah, that's, yeah, I,you know what, in the beginning
people told me about all theconspiracy things that could
happen with a case like this,and it all happened man, and uh,

(41:01):
um, and I keep receipts.
So everything they been sayingto me like I, you know, like I,
like now, I don't take any phonecalls from my lawyers.
If you wanna contact me, put itin writing.
'cause there's a disconnectsomewhere and I wanna see where
it is.
And, and they tried to make itlook like it was me because of
my, um, yeah.
Memory issues and stuff and mycondition.

(41:22):
But I pull out the receipt, Hey,didn't you guys send me this
email?
They still haven't responded tothat email, by the way.
And so yeah, that's what wedealing with.
So all of a sudden, like, I'm,like I said, I'm literally
fighting all the lawyers bymyself, man.
Yeah.
It doesn't make a lick of senseto me.
Yeah.
Remember I made a promo videotoday.
I sent it out to everybody.
I could send it out to askingfor help.

(41:44):
That's why this shirt is on thatI've never worn this shirt in 30
years, 20 years.
I put this on only to make thatvideo about an hour ago.
And uh, yeah.
'cause this is the first timeI'm going on there just asking
for, we need lawyers.
Uh, they hired the, yeah,Olympic team hired some really
powerful lawyers and how can Itake these guys on by myself?
I've been so far successfulevery, the last three times I've

(42:06):
been successful.
Everything that's been going on.
But eventually it's not, I'm notgonna be able to do it'cause I
don't speak law and they'regoing to say something that I
can't respond to.
Uh, then what I, we're gonnalose this case because I can't,
'cause I don't know law.
Like, no, that's, that shouldnot how this supposed to happen.

Sarah (42:25):
Keka, you might have this stuff already, like your social
media stuff that we can share aswell with as many people
Absolutely.
As we can.
'cause that's what this is allabout.
That's we wanna get

Will (42:35):
Yeah.

Sarah (42:36):
The word out to as many people as we can and, and do
what we can to get you morehelp.
I mean,

Will (42:43):
absolutely.

Chris (42:44):
We're, we're, we're all about awareness and talking
about things in.
A lot of, a lot of what I hearabout, about CTE is, is more
about, oh, well the only way wecan really diagnose it is if we,
if you, if you do pass and wecan, we can look at your brain,
but there's so many, there's somany common symptoms.

(43:08):
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
I get that.
Like the only way to reallydiagnose Alzheimer's is to look
at your brain too.
But we diagnose that all the,all time.
The time.

Will (43:16):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
I didn't know that.

Chris (43:21):
I think that, that they can really see it in the brain.
Like that's when they can,that's when they can define
what, what stage.
But you see it in, in sort ofcase after case.
Like, uh, we all live inPittsburgh, so one of the most,
uh, one of the most famous casesis Mike Webster.
He was a,

Will (43:37):
yeah.

Chris (43:37):
The center for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Right.
So he, frankly, the last coupleyears of his life were just.
Terrible, terrible.
And you know, but you can seethe decline in a lot of, a lot
of the subjects where they doend up passing away and they,
and they do take a look at theirbrain.
There should be a way that wecan, we can say, Hey, this is,

(43:58):
this is CTE and there should bea way that we can look out for
high risk patients and say, Hey,if you let, if your kid played
sports, like Olivia's had maybelike four or five con
concussions.
Olivia's my daughter, she playscollege soccer now four or five
concussions.
So she's kind of a little bitmore at risk.
Plus she already has some mentalhealth issues.
Like there should be a way thatwe can kind of at least increase

(44:21):
awareness and be like, look outfor these things.
'cause then these are gonna beyour, these are gonna be your
people who are high risk andthese are gonna be your people
who, where you could interveneand not necessarily cure it or,
or whatever.
But you could at least have somesort of intervention to say,
Hey, you know, I know you'regoing through it, but let's try
this.
Let's try this, let's try this.
The only way you can like.

(44:41):
The only way you can effectivelygo after a cure is if you admit
that people have this diseaseand you can diagnose people with
it.

Will (44:50):
Yeah.
My question, what, when was yourdaughter's like, uh, first
concussion?

Chris (44:55):
Probably 10 or 11.

Will (44:57):
10 or 11.
When did her, when did her, uh,mental health issues start?

Chris (45:01):
Um, probably around the same time though.
Like 10 or 11.

Will (45:05):
About 10 or 11.

Chris (45:06):
Yeah.

Will (45:07):
What was it before the concussion or?

Chris (45:09):
No, they were, it kind of like the, the same time like we
really, she was, it's reallyhard.
It was really hard for her'causeshe wasn't able to really
express what she was feeling.
Like.
She wasn't able to tell us thatshe was really sad until she,
until she really understood thatother kids weren't sad.
And I think that, that she couldonly do that when she was living

(45:30):
maybe like fifth or sixth grade,so right around the same time.
But her, her suicide attempt waswhen she was 14.
So like four years after thatfirst one.

Will (45:40):
Okay.
Well, I don't know if you'rehearing yourself talk right now
that mental health issues showup at the same time as a
concussion issue.
I'm just maybe

Chris (45:52):
Yeah, yeah.
No, I'm not, I'm not discountingit.
And she's like, she's 20 now, sothat puts her like 10 years
after that first concussion andyeah, I, I mean, we're seeing a
lot of it, you know, she justcontinues to struggle.
So.
Yeah.
I mean, this is exactly,

Will (46:07):
I'll give, I'll give you the guidelines.
My first concussion was 2012,I'm sorry, 2002, 2012.
That 10 year mark is wherethings get really, really just,
something's kind of awful goingon, and then they'll stabilize
for a little bit.
Then five to six years afterthat, that is coming in swinging
and fighting.
That's what I've seen that I've,like, I literally predicted

(46:28):
Kanye's car crash.
I did a clot system on my boardin my bedroom, and I wrote down
my issues when it happened and Ithought, okay, that was a tenure
and this was that year.
I did his the same.
And then I had my girlfriendlook up, when did Kanye's car
accident happen?
I, I, I particularly to theexact year of his car accident
based off of the symptoms andhow they, how they work.

(46:51):
And I'm seeing this over andover and over.
There's patterns here, but ifyou don't know what patterns
you're looking for, you know,it's like, you know, you're just
gonna go right over your head.
Go right over your head.
Yeah.

Sarah (47:02):
Right.
And just basic, so your

Will (47:03):
daughter, go ahead.
You should find a hyperbaricoxygen thing for her to try out,
because if you look at the newNFL generation, these guys are
all starting the, the NFL careerwith the hyperbaric chamber in
their home now.
And it's quick.
It ain't just gonna go prettyfast.
If this is going to turn some ofher stuff on.
It's quick.
It's quick.

Sarah (47:23):
So can you find these, like, are there special doctors
that have these, or are thereplaces you can find them?
Like,'cause it's not like we'regonna go on Amazon and order
one, take it for a ride and thensend it back.
No, take it back to Kohl's.

Will (47:39):
Never buy one before you try it.
Right now.
You should try it and see, seeif it works first and then once
you see the, the changes or not.
Yeah.
If you know what you need andthen you can make those
decisions.

Sarah (47:51):
So you can find them through doctors.

Will (47:53):
No, no.
Where do we, they won't treat

Sarah (47:55):
you.
Where do we find them to trythem?

Will (47:57):
Okay.
There's, there's two differenttype of chambers.
There's the one, like, there's14 things hyperbaric.
Okay, let me back that up.
There's 14 different things thatyou can treat hyperbaric with.

Sarah (48:09):
Okay.

Will (48:10):
By insurance standards where insurance will pay for it.

Sarah (48:12):
Okay.

Will (48:13):
Right.
So it's like burns.
Bed sores, wounds that won'theal, things like that.
However, you have to look for awellness center.
They're gonna have chambers.
Those other chambers that theyhave for the doctors are gonna
be like 3.0 in pressure.
The other ones you see in, uh,wellness centers, they're gonna
be from 1.3 to 2.0.
But the 1.31 point is enough tofind out if it's going, it's

(48:37):
gonna, uh, help.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, like I said, for me it wasa one stinking hour.
Changed my life.
One hour.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
One hour.

Sarah (48:46):
I think I wanna try one.
Yeah.

Will (48:47):
You sure?
Yeah.
They're pretty good.
They're pretty awesome, man.
But you love look up wellnesscenters.
Look up, um, HBOT WellnessCenters near me.
They're around.
They're just kind of hitting inplain sight.
And if you're in LA they're,they're all over.
Well, a lot of people have'em intheir home.
They're like the new Fountain ofYouth.
A lot, a lot of the rich people,they have'em in their.
They got these big ones, theygot built in their garage.

(49:08):
Now I

Sarah (49:08):
just need one, like I need one for the, for the poor
folks.
Now, the, the center that you'reworking on, and I apologize
'cause I probably don't have allthe information, I didn't do
enough research, so I apologize,but No worries.
The center that you are workingon creating, that's what you
want to do, is create a spacefor athletes and veterans to

(49:29):
come in and do these treatments.

Will (49:31):
Yeah.
And and it has to be for free.
Like my goal, I wanna charge.
Yeah.
And people's like, man, you gota lot of money, all you do is
charge.
I'm like, no, the, and I'll tellyou the problem is this, that
the one piece place let me comethe first time.
Right.
I was six days, no clouds,second time, nine days, no
clouds.
Now I know it works.

(49:52):
So the best way I explain it iswhat if I was right the first
time I needed, uh, I wasdiabetic, now I need insulin.
Mm-hmm.
So it's like, I felt like if youwere insulin, you need insulin
now.
You can't afford it.
Now what are you gonna do?
So I don't wanna do that toother people.
'cause that's what happened tome.
Yeah.
I found out that it worked, thenI couldn't afford it.
Right.
And then like I lay right backin the spot that I came from and

(50:14):
I was preparing this to fadeback out.
I was faded back out if it wasmy family who stepped up and was
like, Hey, wait a minute, let'sfix this.
You know?
So I don't wanna, I wanna makesure I do it for free.
I don't want anybody making lifedecisions where they're going to
pay rent or this.
And then also, if you're notlike me and you don't get the
immediate relief, you're gonnaneed 30 days.

(50:36):
Yeah.
Of treatment.
You're gonna need like tour aday for 30 days.
And I just wanna be able toprovide that without killing
people's families in there in alifestyle.

Sarah (50:44):
Right.
100%.
That's, I mean, it always amazesme that some of the shit, most
of the shit is not covered.
We don't get any help with thisshit to make our lives better
Like it.

Will (50:57):
I mean, because it's not a pill.
It's It was a pill.

Sarah (50:58):
Yeah.

Will (50:59):
You get all the help you want now, you know, they'll
package that suck up.
Sell it to you.
Yeah.

Sarah (51:03):
But one thing

Will (51:04):
I learned.
One thing I learned about thisprocess is, um, like I
eventually went ahead and toldthe doctors everything.
Like I'm, I'm just struggling.
So they, they gave me a ZoloftRight.
And it made things seem 10 timesworse.
Yeah.
20 times worse.
I, I wanted to get outta here sobad.
I was, and so eventually after,but I also know like you have to
let it build up in your system.

(51:25):
So I let it for probably three,four months of it and I was just
like, no more.
This is just, I'm worse off thanwhen I started this.
Mm-hmm.
Which is also one thing that Iheard in Kanye West, uh, his
documentary, he said he had toread between the lines.
He was talking about thesepills.
He don't wanna take these pillsanymore.
And I was like, aha, those pillsare for healthy brains.

Sarah (51:44):
So it was making it worse.
The brain's not healthy.

Will (51:47):
It is.
Yeah.
'cause they're not designed forcompromised burden.
We're not healthy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So if you have these issues andyou take the antidepressants, a
good chance that you'll getprobably more suicidal than when
you start it.

Chris (51:57):
That's why they put the label on the box for dementia

Will (52:01):
patient.

Chris (52:02):
Yeah.
Like.
It's not gonna work the sameway.
It doesn't, doesn't work thesame way when your brain is full
of plaque or your brain is fullof protein, it doesn't work the
same way.

Will (52:11):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then a question for you.
When your daughter had herconcussion at 11, what was the
treatment?

Chris (52:19):
We made her sit out for a little bit until she felt
better.

Will (52:22):
How long was that?

Chris (52:24):
Probably four days.
She probably missed whateverpractice.

Will (52:28):
Okay.
So she set out a week.
What else?

Chris (52:31):
That was it.
That was it.
And that's

Will (52:32):
how I got where I'm at right now.

Chris (52:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
There was no

Will (52:36):
treatment for the brain injury.

Chris (52:38):
Mm-hmm.
No, they don't treat

Will (52:39):
it

Chris (52:40):
the, the first time.
And we're, you know, we, we livein a pretty rural area.
I live in a pretty rural area,so we don't have, the first time
we actually got her baselineconcussion tested was her
freshman year at college.

Sarah (52:56):
Hmm.
You guys didn't have to do thatin high school.
Owen, they, I mean,

Chris (53:00):
that was the first, first thing I did in high school.
She went to best center.
We didn't, we didn't have to doit.
And she was like, I'm fine.

Sarah (53:06):
I mean, not saying that we have all our shit together
where Owen goes to school, butlike, they wouldn't even let the
boys on the field unless theyhave their baseline now.
Are they, are they good with,you know, like Owen had a
concussion last year and I mean,he, same thing, he was out for
like three days and then wentback with no limitations and the
trainer asked him when he cameoutta the game, how you feeling?

(53:28):
Great.
Move on with life.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Chris (53:30):
And I mean that's, that's Olivia's thing too.
Like even when she was 10, shewas like, I don't wanna miss, I
don't wanna be the, I don'twanna be a baby.
See my, my kid will

Sarah (53:38):
take it.
My kid will take advantage.
My kid's, my kid.
And he'll take advantage of it.
He's like, ah, I'll sit this oneout.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then her,

Chris (53:46):
her, like one of her concussions, she fell off a golf
cart, so she fell off a golfcart and was unconscious.

Will (53:52):
Wow.
And

Chris (53:54):
like two weeks before she went to freshman camp.
They were like, well, we reallywant you, we really want you
healthy, so we're gonna make yousit out the first week.
And they hadn't done her, shehadn't done her baseline testing
yet.
They're like, how do you feel?
And that's college.
So

Will (54:13):
yeah.
See all those things you'retalking about, I'm so jealous.
'cause we didn't have thatluxury that, uh, stuff was done
baseline.
Every time I hear aboutsomething new like that, I'm
just like, what you did?
You have what?
Like, yeah.
It's, I'm glad they're doingthese things.
Like Yeah.
Least there's, that's reallywhat the actions are.
There's

Sarah (54:29):
some things happening.
I mean, I know when we wereplayed in high school, in
college, the amount ofconcussions that we had, holy
shit.
And nobody, I mean, there wasno, no.
Rub some dirt on it and get yourass back on the field.
Get up, get your shit togetherand keep playing.
Yeah.
And end into the goalpost

Chris (54:44):
with my face and, you know.
Wow.
Your, your mom woke me.
Well, Sarah and I are sisters,right?
So we have the same mom, but wesay Your mom, your mom woke me
up.
You know, at nighttime to makesure I didn't die.
And that was, that was thetreatment.
And I was right back on thefield the next day'cause I
didn't die.
Yeah, yeah,

Will (55:00):
yeah,

Chris (55:01):
yeah.

Becca (55:01):
Yeah.

Chris (55:01):
I feel

Becca (55:02):
like something too, when it comes to like schools is,
there needs to be a differencebetween like, determination and
then like overall like, likeyou're doing detriment to
yourself.
Yeah.
And I feel like sports are sucha blessing and a curse because I
loved basketball, but I pushedmyself so hard to the point
where I couldn't play anymore.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's, but then also mycoaches were encouraging me and

(55:24):
stuff like that.
So it's just, it's, it's a crazyworld.
'cause you wanna Yes.
Go out, do your thing, but also,uh,

Sarah (55:31):
careful.
That's the balance of it all.
And that's what sucks aboutbeing a parent.
I mean, this is, this is mycurrent state.
Like, I never wanted to pushOwen too hard because I, I
played and was burned out.
Way earlier than I should havebeen because I played a lot and
I didn't wanna do that to him,and I didn't want him to burn
out.
So I was real chill with him.

(55:53):
But now all of a sudden he'slike, wanting to be all
competitive.
I'm like, well, we kind ofmissed the train because I, uh,
because I didn't push itearlier.
So, but it's hard, it's a hardbalance to come by

Chris (56:08):
looking at the research and will you probably know this,
you're a Division one athlete,you were an Olympian, right?
Like it's, it's a, it's a.
Interesting place to be becauseyou wanna push yourself and you
wanna be competitive, and youwanna participate in these
sports, and you wanna be thebest.
But at the same time, there's a,there's a place where you're

(56:28):
just pushing yourself so hard.
You're getting little teeny miniconcussions, and you're going
back to the hotel room andyou're keeping your teammate
awake and you're like, allright, let's get, let's get back
out there.
But at some point, this is sobad for your, for your mental
health.
And the, what Olivia told methis year is, this is the first
year where they've the trainerand she plays division three

(56:51):
soccer.
So it, it's slightly different,but still, you know, college
athletes.
This is the first year that thetrainer has some training in
mental health counseling Wow.
Where they're, they're actuallylike starting to see that these
division one athletes who havebeen competitive their whole
lives and have put all thispressure on themselves and it

(57:12):
like lined up their identity.
And I, you know, I'm, I'm prettysure you, you feel this way too,
like line up your identity withyour sport'cause you've just
played it so long and it's justbeen a part of you where they
feel like any failure on or offthe field is, is unacceptable.
And so they end up doingthemselves harm.
And this is the first year thatthe NTA has sort of mandated

(57:35):
that the trainers have some kindof training,

Will (57:37):
which is good to see.
Yeah.
You know what, a lot comingbecause of the, you know, kinda
like these cases are coming andthey're making mm-hmm.
You know, they're trying to bemore proactive and, and even
protecting themselves at thesame time.
But now with they're beingforced to protect that.
When you protect athletes,you're gonna protect yourself,
which is amazing still

Sarah (57:54):
that we're at the stage where you are being shut down in
the way that you are right nowwith the shit that you're
fighting.
Like it's amazing that it's 2025and we know all this shit and
it's not like we're making itup.
Like this is scientificallyproven, this stuff is.
Killing us, killing our lovedones.
And yet we have people that aregonna continue to fight you.

(58:17):
And it's just again, sorry, Ikeep coming back to, it's just

Chris (58:20):
No, I mean,

Will (58:21):
well the crazy part is the people fight me the hardest, or
some of the people who were mostafflicted with it, they were
athletes before they became thecoach.
Mm-hmm.
They were athletes before theycame in and did come back and
started working for the OlympicFederation.
So these are some of these guyswho were taking their lives were
their best friends.
Yeah.
Right.
And they're turning their backon and stabbing them in the
back.
And I'm thinking like, okay, Iexpect you to do it to me.

(58:43):
'cause I, I wasn't your bestfriend, but this other guy,
these other two guys were like,my driver from the world
championship, Stephen Holcomb,when the Olympic team was doing
weird stuff to me, he stillallowed me to stay with him in
his hotel suite because like,like one time we had training
camp, uh, it was after the 2003World Championships.
I was his brakeman in the worldchampionships and we all won

(59:04):
these cell phone, Verizon cellphones.
But we all have the same, samephone number one digit off.
So after the 2003 WorldChampionships, we're getting
ready for training camp.
We normally did that in Calgary,Canada.
So I'm getting ready for,where's my ticket, where's my
per diem money?
Where's, you know, nothingshowing up.
So I called the Bob Slip teamoffice.
They said, oh, we're not gonnafund you.

(59:24):
Like what?
I'm number one, breaking in thecountry, maybe number two at the
worst.
So,'cause at the top two teamsrace in the world championships
the prior few months, which is,I was there, so I paid for
myself.
I get up there, Steven Holcomb,uh, who also he committed
suicide at, at the OlympicTraining Center, I think around
2018.
So he said, stay with me.

(59:44):
You know, so I'm up there.
Uh, we, Alexis, we all had thesame phone number on my, on my
few I was at, I mean, a few daysI was up there.
Our coach calls a differentdriver and tells him to tell me
that when the federation comesto Canada, they're gonna move us
to a new hotel.
And then once we move us there,I won't have a place to stay.
And the guy was like, I don'tknow why he's telling me to tell

(01:00:05):
you.
I don't know why he didn't callyou himself.
I said, I don't know.
So I called the coach from myphone.
He didn't answer.
Called again, he didn't answer.
I waited later in the day calledagain, he didn't answer.
A few days later, I get thatsame guy come back to me.
He's, I'm uncomfortable.
And he gave me that messageagain.
So I called from my phone coach,didn't answer the phone.
I called from the other guy'sphone.

(01:00:25):
He answered on the first reign.
And I, his name is Tuffy Latour.
I, I, I never really spoke aboutthis before,'cause when I left
the Olympic team, I was sodisgusted by some of the
treatment I got.
Like, I just never spoke aboutit.
And so what I did is I, I calledhim from when I talked to him
from the coach's phone, thecoach was like, I said, what's
going on?
He said, well, each driver onlygets like one funded athlete.

(01:00:49):
And I said, toughie, I know thetruth.
I've been up here for some weeksnow.
Is that the story you'resticking to?
I I get on the phone with him,he says, yeah, we each athlete
only each, each driver only getsone athlete funded.
And I said, I've been here forweeks, guys.
I know the truth.
Is that what you're gonna stickto?
And he got, he got, oh no.
Uh uh, uh, I, I'll see what Ican do.
So a few weeks later, we movedto a new hotel.

(01:01:10):
They get me a room.
No big deal.
I didn't get per diem money.
They didn't pay for my travels,but they at least gave me a room
to stay in while we were inCanada.
So I got a new roommate.
I recognized that guy the yearbefore.
He was the track worker.
He was like wiping my sled offand cleaning a track to make
sure it was smooth.
Nice guy.
And I said, Hey, um, I said, wasyour um, airline ticket, was it

(01:01:31):
expensive?
I know you came up at lastminute.
He was like, no.
He said, I went to that firsttraining camp.
I finished last, then I gotinjured.
So I was laying around at theOlympic training, sir.
And, and Tuffy asked me if Iwanted to go to Canada.
I was like, hell, what have Igot to lose?
And I'm thinking like, what the,you know, so that's the kinda
stuff I dealt with with thoseguys.
And one other time, it wasaround the 2006 Olympics.

(01:01:54):
I got to training camp inCanada.
Same thing on day number one, Iwas the fastest push athlete.
Day number two, I was fastest.
Day number three, the assistantcoach comes to me, he says,
well, uh, I gotta tell yousomething, uh, you won't be able
to push with the national teamanymore because you had a car
accident last year and then youdidn't have any international
races.
I was like, is that the onlyreason?

(01:02:15):
He was like, yeah.
I said, you sure?
He said, yeah.
I said, well, go back and checkthe records.
I came back after that accident.
I had 10 races last year, atleast 10, but they still kicked
me out and other people watchingthis, like, I'm not, like,
there's receipts behind thisstuff.
So they kicked me out, they mademe practice with the women's
team, is what I, they made medo.
And uh, yeah.
And so that's the kind of thingI dealt with these times.

(01:02:36):
It was always something likethat.
I never knew if it was racism ormaybe they just didn't like me.
I just, so when I left thatsport, like I never really spoke
about it.
'cause like I left with my tailbetween my legs after nine years
because that's what it was.
It was always something likethat.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
So I just wanted to put that outthere like that.
And so the crazy, this is thecrazy part is I had totally

(01:02:56):
forgot about how bad theytreated me.
Athletes were reaching out to mein two, in 2022, they asked me
had I seen this new, um, auditthat was done.
They were audited by a externalcompany.
And inside that, um, audit, Ican produce these papers for,
you wanna see it, it mentionsthe good old boy system.
It mentions the good old boysystem.

(01:03:18):
And then it was an update thatjust came out a few weeks ago
and somebody sent me that oneand said, the good old boy
system is still in there.
We trying to get them to fixthat.
You know, they talk about itthat way.
The, the auditors and stuff,they said the white athletes and
ba black athletes all say thesame thing.
Now, the black athletes don'tget the same treatment as the
white athletes.
Mm-hmm.
So that's kinda what, but youknow, I left that sport and with

(01:03:38):
all the memory loss, I totallyforgot about it until somebody
reminded me because my mentalhealth had gone down so much.
Like my memory was wiped.

Sarah (01:03:45):
Yeah.

Will (01:03:46):
And I didn't remember.
And I was like, oh my God.
Then all these memories startedcoming back, like, oh, sh I was,
I spent nine years with thoseidiots.
Like I must have really had somebrain damage, you know?
But.
But yeah, if you ever wanna seethose things, like I, I, I
produce receipts, whatever Isay, there's something behind
it.
Yeah.

Chris (01:04:03):
Yeah.
I mean, we talk, we talk aboutthat too.
I, I mean, we're, Sarah and Iboth, and, and probably Becca,
when, when she, when she becomesa super successful college
graduate, like

Sarah (01:04:15):
she is a college graduate and she's super successful'cause
she's on this podcast.

Chris (01:04:20):
She's super successful.
Sarah, she's recording a podcastin your mom's basement.
Okay.

Sarah (01:04:24):
Alright.

Chris (01:04:24):
Alright, go ahead.
She has many great things aheadof her.
What I'm saying Will, is thatSarah and I both work in these
male dominated industries.
So we are pretty familiar withthe good old boy network.
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Sarah (01:04:37):
Yeah.
It's a nice, yeah.

Will (01:04:38):
Yeah.

Sarah (01:04:38):
I can

Will (01:04:38):
imagine.

Sarah (01:04:39):
Yeah.
It's something else.
Oh, we're not done yet.

Will (01:04:41):
You can't leave us now.

Sarah (01:04:43):
Well, what are we doing now?
Oh, you have a chihuahua.
There would

Will (01:04:45):
be no swearing if you leave.
Yeah.

Sarah (01:04:47):
Right.
Everybody will be on their bestfucking behavior.
Well, your Chihuahua storybefore we wrap up.

Will (01:04:55):
Okay.
During COVID, I'm cloudy ascrap, but I, well, I found a
lake house in the back of theMidwest where my hometown is,
and so I buy it.
It's peace.
'cause at that time when I wasoutside, like I'm walking, it
looked like the ground was doingthis in front of me all the
time.
And so, and I was getting lostin my own community in
California, and I was like, Igotta find some more safes.
So I bought this four acreproperty and it's great fish and

(01:05:16):
a hundred yards from the backdoor.
Just peaceful, you know.
So, make a long story short, itwas winter time I had a fire in
the fireplace.
And my, one of my girlfriendschihuahuas walks up, she looks
in the fire, she sees a big firethere, then she just jumps in
there.
Yeah, she jumps in there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Really?
Shut the fuck.
And if she was in there, like,if it had been about another 10
seconds, would've been morehumane.

(01:05:37):
Humane, just to close the door.
And, um, so yeah.
So it burned off one of her, allher nipples are gone.

Sarah (01:05:45):
Oh,

Will (01:05:45):
one of her feet is missing.
One of her, her, she's missingher foot.
But she survived it.
She survived it.
But man, it was brutal.
But that dog still does not likeme.
It allowed me to pull her outthe fire, put the fire out on
it.
It let me feed it when it wassick.
And as soon as it got backhealthy again.

Sarah (01:06:03):
Now she's like, if I had a middle finger, I'd give it to
you.
That's what she said.

Will (01:06:13):
Hi.
And if I can get her to walk,you can see her limp.
Lemme see.

Sarah (01:06:20):
Meow.

Will (01:06:21):
See that?

Sarah (01:06:22):
Aw, good girl.
Oh my goodness.
Jump in the fire.

Will (01:06:28):
Jump in there with the flames and everything.
My Lord.
And I got a feeling she'll do itagain.
I just, my gut tells you she'lldo it again.
My dear Lord.
My girlfriend showed me thepictures.
My, I actually had smoke markson my hand.
My goodness.
I don't remember reaching in afire like that.
But you just

Sarah (01:06:47):
do it.
You just.
You just react.
Gotta do.

Will (01:06:50):
Geez.
I I'm sorry I didn't reach inthat fire and she showed me the
pictures of my handle locked.
You can see the, I don't knowhow to hit that, but,

Chris (01:06:56):
well, will we, we wish you a lot of luck and Thank you.
We'll, we will push awarenessand we will, we will push in
traffic.
I,

Will (01:07:04):
no man, you guys are, you guys are the answers.
This is one of the biggest casesin the world right now.

Sarah (01:07:08):
Yeah.
World.

Will (01:07:08):
And I promise it's messing with the Olympic rings.
It's billions and billions ofdollars and they really don't
want me still talking aboutthis.
Put it that way.
Yeah.

Becca (01:07:16):
Well, we'll, so for me, well thank you for coming on it,
not letting them silence you.
This is incredible.
Absolutely.
Seriously, this has been one ofmy favorite interviews.
Like my, like I've hadgoosebumps this whole time.

Will (01:07:26):
I appreciate that.
Appreciate that.

Becca (01:07:28):
Absolutely.
Yeah.
This was one of our baskets.

Will (01:07:30):
Please share my, share my crowdfund together.
It's so important.
Like, I promise you.
Absolutely.
Guys, I have one hour in thechamber.
It changed my life.
I wanna provide the sameservice.
Oh.
Check out my TikTok things.
I at the, there was a guy whoshot people in New York.
Um.
He's going to the NL office toshoot people.
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
I made a video horn on red onthat video, guys.

(01:07:50):
It was the day before my, not mylast board hearing, but the one
before that I was telling peopleabout that.
I said, guys, these are not thepeople that I fear so much.
I said, we had anotherpopulation we need to treat soon
and quick.
And I made that video.
And then on the courthouse wehad court the next day after
that court hearing, we was onthe court steps.
I made that same speech.

(01:08:11):
I said, guys, we got thesemilitary people coming back with
CTE, the same thing, and they'retrained killers now.

Sarah (01:08:17):
Yeah.

Will (01:08:18):
I said, we're gonna have a wave of, uh, military murders.
So with CTE shooting, sticking

Sarah (01:08:23):
it.
Yeah.

Will (01:08:23):
So after I put that out that day, the following week, a
military guy went up to the, theplace of Montana and shot off
the bar, shot up, killed fourpeople, and he was hiding in the
woods for a week.
They found him the followingweek, a guy went up to a army
base.
He shot up his commander.
I think he shot like four orfive military people on the
base.
And then last Sunday.

(01:08:44):
The guy who, uh, burned thatchurch and shot those people in
the church was also a veteran.
Those are the people.
I'm like, this stuff is so, oncethe mind slips and is gone, and,
and so for us to get treatmentto these people is so, so
important because you can't goto church, you can't go to
school, you can't go to themovies.
You can't go to a concertwithout getting shot at, you
know?
And so we gotta start addressingthis stuff before it's just,

(01:09:07):
it's already too late for us.
It's already gruesome.
People are losing their lives,but it's not that much, it's not
that hard.
And all these military guys areasking for treatment, but
they're being denied.
You can't get it, you know?
Can't get it.
Yeah.
And I'm, I'm walking through.
I'm the Guinea pig.
I'm the Guinea pig.

Sarah (01:09:22):
Well, we will do everything that we can to, to
push your, your message outthere and help you in any way
that we can.
You have our email address.
Send everything that you, thatyou can to us, keep us updated.
Um, and thanks again, will.
It was great meeting you.

Will (01:09:37):
Thank you.
And you, this is your daughter.
You find your daughter.
You find a 1.3, the lowestchamber, the lowest cha chamber
is 1.3.
They said you could sleep inthat thing all night and it
won't do damage.
Yes, absolutely.
The 1.3 is good for the brain.
Absolutely.
Check with the doctors who setyou up.
Make sure she's appropriate forher.
She's athlete.
I'm sure she is.

(01:09:57):
Awesome.
Watch her life change and callme back later and I'll be like,
ah, there's waiting on you.
I'm waiting on you.
Trust me.
It happens all the time.
This you ain't the first.
You're not the first.
So awesome.
I'm waiting lick at my chops.
Hope to hear something good fromyou.

Chris (01:10:12):
Yep, yep.
I will definitely keep in touch.
Well, welcome guys and.

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