Embarking on Healing Horizons with Muneeza Ahmed

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entrepreneurs and business leaders, and welcometo the Michael Esposito Show, where I
interview titans of industry in order toinform, educate, and inspire you to
be great. My guest today isan intuitive medicine woman. She uses her
intuition to connect with and tap intoyour body, mind, and spirit to

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find the root cause of your symptomsand recommend a way forward for you.
Her intuition works in different ways.Sometimes she sees visions, Sometimes she feels
things in my body or in yourbody about what going on. Sometimes she
hears things, feels other people's emotions, or have a knowing, and sometimes

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it's a combination of these. Todaywe'll find out more about these intuitions and
how she started her journey as anintuitive medicine woman. Please welcome my guest,
Muniza Ahmed. Welcome. Thank youso much for that introduction and for
having me on the show today,Michael, it's an honor and a pleasure

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to be here. Well, I'mexcited to have you on because I want
to know what's what's going on inmy body. I want to I want
to learn all about this. Thisis really cool intuitive medicine is. It's
like I think about the Chinese proverbof you know, when a student is
ready, the teacher will appear,And I feel like I am ready to

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learn about this because like I've beenreally in tune with my body. I
know, my listeners have been hearingme speak a lot about my meditation,
meditation and how I've been really intune with that and listening to, you
know, what's happening around me andinternally and following those internal voices. And
then more recently, I started intermittentfasting and I started fasting more, and

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that's also really got to me evenmore connected with myself because when I've done
a forty eight hour fast, I'venoticed this like real stillness and this calmness,
and I could start feeling things happeninginternally which I didn't feel before.
And now I have you on whereit's like all this other stuff happening that

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I'm going to learn about. SoI'm so excited to learn what you do
and how you do it. Well, I'm excited to share. You get
me to talk about my favorite topic. And that's like, I'm there cool
and you know what's really cool aboutyou that I think that I love about
this, So like for me,right, So I just found fasting,

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I just found medic haiti, Ijust found a lot of these things.
And I say just found And that'srelative in the last couple of years,
right, personal development and all thatother stuff. But in your story,
you've had this intuitiveness since you werea little girl. And so if we
can, I would love for usto just go back into time paint a

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picture as to where you are,because it wasn't here in the US.
And I love that part too,and I want you to share that with
everyone. Paint a picture of whereyou are, what it was like growing
up and when these intuitions started comingup. Yeah, oh gosh, that's
that's No one's ever actually asked methat before about my intuitive journey as a
child. So this is a firstwhich I'm excited to share because there is

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a whole story about what I experiencedas a child, and so my first
inkling into my intuition. I musthave been I know that was happening before
this age. So I was probablyaround eleven where I had this dream and
it was a very clear dream,and I had it was like a video

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playing it before my eyes, andthe video is basically showing me that I
had. A teacher comes up tome in the classroom and tells me you
were first in your class for thissubject or whatever it was. And I
remember, like I woke up,I remember the dream clearly. And the
next day, it's school day,I'm going to school. I sit down

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at my desk and the whole scenariothat I had my dream literally played out
in front of me, and Iwas and I remember sitting at my desk
kind of stunned, like I justI saw that in my dream this morning,
and oh my god, like didthat just happen? And I remember
I remember actually pinching myself. AmI awake or am I still in a

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dream? Right? And I justkind of forgot about it. And I
came home and I said to mymom, and I had this dream,
and I told her that I actuallygot I came first in the subject at
school, and she was like,oh, yeah, I said, but
mom, you know, before Iwent to school, I actually saw this

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in a dream, and so shewasn't surprised or you know whatever. She
was really she's your grandfather gets dreamslike that, like oh, So that
was my first awareness that my grandfatheralso was intuitive, highly intuitive, which
I then started to see more ofin my life as I grew up.
But these dreams like this started tohappen to me a lot when I was

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in my early teens and before thatas a younger child, I was always
afraid of the dark. I remember. It's not necessarily as much in so
where I lived in Kuwait, Iactually grew up there. I spent fourteen
years in Kuwait before the Gulf Warhappened, and the first Gulf War happened

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and we had to leave, orwe we ended up leaving right before my
father followed. So there's a wholestory there. But I remember as a
little girl, i'd spend my timebetween Kuwait and Karachi, where I was
born in Pakistan, and at mygrandparents' house. In the evenings, I
would always feel afraid and I alwayshad a sense of like I felt like
someone was there and I didn't.I couldn't go words to it because everybody

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said, oh, kids are justafraid of the dark, or it's just
a kid thing. I'm like,Okay, I'm a kid, I'm afraid
of the dark. But I alwaysfelt like there was someone there. And
as I grew older and now,like in my twenties thirties, I do
have the ability to sense whether there'sa spirit around or there's a like a
soul around from someone. And Iknow this sounds scary to people. I

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know that it sounds weird, butit's the truth of my journey. And
you know, I don't choose toconnect with spirits on the other side,
I know I can feel them aroundme, but I don't choose to connect
that and I don't like to gothere. That's just me personally. I
like to focus my energy and myintuition on just what's in front of me.
When you know I have a anI say, I say to God

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all the time, I'm like,there's enough work to do with the physical
bodies around me that I under needto like work with those who are not
here anymore, or those other spiritsare out there. I hope some people
love to work with that I don't, So I focus on those who are
in front of me, and Ithat's where my intuition kind of opens up
more my journey as a child.If if I go back and I did

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this as an older, you knowperson, as an adult, went back
and looked at my journey, whatwas I was drawn to. I was
always drawn to health. I wasalways drawn to plants. I was always
drawn to My favorite game to playas a as a little girl was doctor.
Of course I didn't have any otherverbiage for it then, but I
walk around like with my little doctor'sbag and play with my grandparents. I

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played that a lot with my grandparents. Favorite story is a little girl was
Florence Nighting. You know. Iwas so moved by her willingness to look
after sick people, stay up allnight. I'm like, and it just
like it lit me up, LikeI would read that story over and over
again, and it was a familiarityI had with it, and it's what

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I wanted to do. And whenI started training and I went to nutrition
school later on in my life,I remember at nutrition school there was a
lot of focus on, well,you can help people with weight loss,
you can help people with their migraines, you know, women with their period
pains and cramps and things like that. And I was like, yeah,
but I don't want to just workwith that, Like I want to work

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with the really sick people, right, people who are really sick. And
so while I have all the compassionin the world for anyone who has any
kind of problem, my calling waslike, you know, there's people who
are sick or who really need help. And that's where I kept getting drawn.
In my journey throughout my life hasactually led me to that point where
I've worked with people who are bedridden, people who cannot get up, people

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who are you know, bedridden foryears, or are struggling with fatigue and
medical diagnoses like you know, itcould be multiple sclerosis, it could be
als, it could be all thesereally difficult neurological conditions. And so that's
where I tick, like, Ilove to work with that kind of person,
and I, of course I workwith people with all kinds of issues,

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but my calling as a younger childor as a teenager growing up,
I could always feel connected to people'shealth and their bodies, and that affinity,
I realized, is where my intuitionlay and I didn't know it for
a long time, but I couldsend sense things in people's bodies. I
would always my friends would always belike, how do you know that.

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I'm like, I don't know,Like I just it just came out of
my mouth. Or my mom insometimes she tells me in Urdu, which
is my mother tongue, she'll say, you have like a golli za ban
gollies of ban means a black tongue, and that often means like you say
things right before they're gonna happen,or you say things that are true,
or there's no way for you toknow that, and it's a negative connotation.

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But also it's like over the yearsshe's like, actually, I just
think that's just your kind of gift. And my grandfather, her father has
had a really powerful intuitive gift aswell, and he could he would have
dreams or things would happen like thispremonition. So over the years, this
has stayed with me. This Idon't it doesn't happen on demand, It

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just happens when it does. Sothere's things that I tend to be aware
of before they happen, and I'llsay it, but in my mind,
I'm not thinking I know this isgoing to happen in my mind, I'm
just like, it's just a feeling. It's just so strong, and I
never really make that connection that thisis going to happen. But I have
a really strong, overwhelming, overwhelmingfeeling that either something's going to happen or

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it's not going to happen. Sothere's a lot of that. This is
very interesting stuff here, more thanjust intuitive medicine. I am very interested
in this and the spiritual side ofthings. And I mean it in the
sense of like you're talking about soulsand spirits, and I know that you

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don't tap into those, and Irespect that. But what I'm interested in
is the feeling that happens, becausethere's so much out there of like the
different feelings like wait in the roomand all that stuff. I'm just interested
in, like, if you canspeak a little bit too, like the
sensation or feelings or things that happenin your environment about that. Oh yeah,

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okay, So the risk of soundingcompletely nuts, there are times that
I can feel that there's someone aroundwho's not in physical form. I kind
of always pick up on it,and I know it sounds scary to people.
I never say it out loud.Often there's no need to for me.

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And if it's something that I reallydon't know is helpful or you know,
doesn't feel right or feel good,I just simply ask it to leave,
Like just please leave. You're notwelcome here, like you don't have
permission to be here. You know, we are sovereign beings. We are
completely sovereign, so whatever we say, we have sovereignty over, we have
choice, we have power over it. So I just am very polite.

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It's not a fight, it's notanything like that. But that comes up
for me probably the most in thatrealm is like I'll feel something and I'm
like, that doesn't feel quite right, So could you please leave? Or
whoever you are, like you're notwelcome here, please go find a place
where you are welcome. So yeah, things like that, they do come
up. I'm curious on it becauseI mean, I mean, while talking

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about I got a chill in myback right and you know, and I
get these feelings, and I knowthat it's not I'm not unique to these
feelings. So I'm just curious moreof like, is it that I'm just
not paying attention or choose not topay attention to Yeah, so I mean
I teach this right, So inmy practice or trainings, I talk exactly

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about this. Is that just aswe're born with eyes, nose, ear,
ear's mouth, we are born withintuition. It's part of who we
are. So it's like we're blindfoldeduntil we sort of open our eyes up
to be able to see this otherway or feel this other way and actually
trust it. So most of usdon't. There's only one simple reason you

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don't get it is because you don'ttrust it. And if we fully trusted
our intuition, things like telepathy,premonition, the ability to see what's in
each other's hearts. You know,telepathy is reading each other's thoughts, and
this all this clairvoyance, claire cognition, claire audience. These are gifts that
we would be really just exploding with. And I feel that we have these

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abilities and you know, whatever we'resurrounded by on Earth, like we're exposed
to toxic heavy metals, we're exposedto viruses, we're exposed to radiation,
we're exposed to pesticides. There's allthese poisons. I think that they get
in the way of us being ableto use our brain to the you know
how you may have heard right thatwe only use our brain like three percent
or ten percent, Like the majorityof our brain we don't really use.

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And I do think that these intuitivegifts are the majority of our brain that's
just shut down because we're not ableto access it. Even though we still
can, in spite of all ofwhat we're up against, we can still
access it. And I have foundon my journey over the years that I've
been cleansing my body, healing mybody, this intuitive ability or the abilities

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has exploded for me being able tosee and sense things and walk through the
world. So I always say thisto Michael, I love logic and analysis.
I'm that person, Like I'm aType A before I became you know
what, I'm in this world likeof healing and spirituality and energy and all
of the all of that good stuff. I was. I was a typical

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Type A woman. I was driven, go go go, results oriented,
using logic and analysis for all ofthat, right, And I look at
my life now and I'm like thatall still has a place because what it
is is that instead of giving overto logic and analysis, actually logic and
analysis is a servant of our intuition, not the other way around. It

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serves to inform the intuition instead ofusing logic and analysis is the only decision
making tool that we have. Ifwe use it to serve our intuition and
use intuition to make the decision,you always end up making the right decision
that way. Yeah, you know, I was listening to mel Robbins podcast
and she was talking about the gutand the mind, and yeah, please

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expand on this because I'd rather comefrom you. But you know, in
one of her episodes, she wasjust talking about the gut and the mind
and how it's all developed at thesame time when we're when we're babies or
in our in our mother's wombs,and how when we get an intuition of
feeling and that's why we feel thebutterflies in our belly and everything, because
actually the belly informs the gut informsthe brain. And you're nodding along,

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So why don't you I would lovefor you to just jump into that one
there, because you have more informationon that than I do. Well,
I think that there is definitely inour vernacular we have words like gut instinct
or a gut feeling or a gutknowing right that we actually can even recognize
that it is emanating from the gut. So there's there is There are nerves

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in our gut. There are nerves. So the nervous system, the human
nervous system, is the fulcrum betweenour reality here on the earthly plane and
the unseen realm. That's what Ilike to call it. It's unseen.
It's not visible to our to thenaked eye and a hsible form, but
it's it's unseen, so it cantake whatever form it is. The nervous

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system is the gateway the brain andthe nervous system. You know, we
have so much going on in ourbrain. Our brain is complex, and
there are nerves in our gut thatalso connect with our human spirit. So
human spirit, as I understand it, is our will to take action,
it's our strength, it's our motivation, and that all lives in the gut.

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And so there's a big connection betweenour spirit, our will, our
ability to take action, our strengththat lives in the gut, and it's
connected to those nerves that are inthe gut. And while that informs our
intuition, I believe that there arealso lots of just nerves, and our
brain itself has the ability to intuitregardless of the gut. So there's different

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ways. Our heart has another opening, right, our heart is like the
set is our direction, our compass, and so the word compass is in
compassion, and our heart is fromwhere we have compassion. And because compassion
is our ultimate course corrector it's ourguide, it's the direction that we take
in life. And then our soullives in the brain. This is medical

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medium information actually, so the soullives in the brain. And you can
see how people say, right,your eyes are the windows to your soul.
Well, guess what your brain isright behind your eyes. We have
this evidence. So I believe thatthere's all these parts of us help our
intuition. The gut is definitely apart of it, but that's not the

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only part. Where does where doesall this planes of religion? I'm curious
on that, And yeah, youknow, I'm curious on that because you
mentioned God before, But I alsofeel like a lot of what you're talking
about is not just religion based,and so I'm interested in your thoughts on
that. Yeah, I think that, So I believe that a lot of

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I don't think this conflicts with religion. I'm a Muslim, so I come
from a Muslim background. You know, I know Christians, Jewish people,
but this, you know, himdose people from all sort of religious backgrounds,
and I don't think that this necessarilyconflicts. And in coming into intuition
as well, I don't think itconflicts. I think there's an understanding that

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we're supposed to seek seek God.I mean, I think most of us
don't. We seek it in someway, shape or form. And if
you're an atheist, you end uprejecting it and you're like, Okay,
I don't believe in that, Butto reject it, you have to seek
it first. So everyone, Ithink goes on some sort of a journey
to ask where they come from orwho they are. And I think it's

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just part of how we are ashumans. Like there are many people,
not everybody, but many people believein a higher power, in a creator,
in God, in universe and lightin nature or whatever they want to
call that power, right, andI believe we're wired to it. That's
why everyone seeks it. Whether youaccept it or reject it or whatever form

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is acceptable to you, we stillseek it. It's part of the human
condition, and I believe we're wired. So there is that intuition that we
have that everyone's born with. Isthat direct connection to God I call a
God, But I believe there's aconnection to something higher that we believe.
Believe that there's something great or somethingout there that created us, and every

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human seeks it. So that's tome, that's that's the connection with say
religion. But I know that manyyou know, religious texts will say things
like, for example, I knowin the Bible that they talk about warning
against mediums or wanting warning against thingsof that nature. I also don't think

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that's misplaced. I do think thatthere's the warnings are against darkness. I
talk about this a lot, actually, so lightness and darkness right instead of
saying good or bad or whatever.But there's this is why, like when
I can, I don't work withthat spiritual realm because I don't know what's
light or dark Because often when peopleare channeling, they're being connected to something

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out there that they don't know whoit is. And I've done this,
I didn't know who it was,and I ended up over time feeling really
uncomfortable with it. And so Ihad disconnected because I I didn't know who
it was. I wasn't comfortable withit, and whoever was communicating with me
didn't feel right. But many peopledo it and they get connected, but

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who really knows. We don't know. So it's because it's not clear whether
you're connecting with darkness or light ortrue light, which is to me,
the true light of God and God'sangels, then it's best to not go
there. So I take those warningsthat were say in the Bible or in
the Qoran about mediums and people likethat, not to say that there's you

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know, to connect with's something youdon't know what it is or who it
is. It's sometimes playing in aterritory you just don't know enough about.
And so I I, you've usedmy intuition to guide myself in that direction.
So I was like, okay,I really and I've asked God,
it's like, give me a direction, and God said, yeah, don't

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don't go there. And you know, there's so many they're like So for
me, I've had a lot ofdreams and my mother is very intuitive as
well, and I've had a lotof dreams that I would speak with are
about and be like, Hey,you know, I feel like I need
to tell you this because something's happeningand maybe not as vivid as what you've

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experienced would happen. And that's kindof stuck with me. And I really
enjoy digging into my dreams and makingsure that I remember them and try to
unpack them and understand them. Andso I'm interested in your thoughts on dreams
and kind of like what they mightsignify and how you dig into them.

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I think a lot of dreams thatwe have, especially bad ones, dreams
that are hard to vision, dreamsthat feel difficult or feel hard to go
through, are actually healing to oursoul because they allow you to work through

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an emotional wound or any other kindof wound in the dream state rather than
in the living state, which isimportant to consider because when you're in the
living state, it's much harder togo through that on you have a physical
body. When you experience something that'shard, your dreamals will run right because

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of stress from that situation that you'regoing through, And in the dream state,
your dreamals will still run, butit's much much much milder because you're
asleep, right, and so there'san ability to be able to heal the
soul through the dreams. And that'sa big part of what at least with
bad dreams, that's what they that'swhat I understand them to mean. And

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then also with with dreams like I'vehad, I think sometimes I don't believe
we're supposed to remember every dream.Like when I wake up and I've forgotten
the dream, Okay, it passed, It's okay. I think if I
was meant to remember a dream,I would, And there are that are
still that I've had twenty years laterago that are just crystal clear in my

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etched in my mind right and Iand I know that I was meant to
recall or remember that dream, andthey have purposes. I think that when
you have I have really really reallyclear, crystal clear dreams, and those
tend to be messages for me.You know. That's like when I saw
that dream about my teacher in theclassroom, right crystal clear. The colors

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were so vivid, the detail wasso vivid, and it was clearly a
message because the next day it happened. It kind of proved itself that way.
So sometimes I'll get a vivid dreamwhich doesn't actually happen, but there's
some other sort of message coming throughthat dream. So I don't go I
don't go crazy trying to analyze dreamsand things. I know some people love

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doing that, and that's great.Personally, I take them as they come.
I know that they can be healingus. I know that sometimes there's
a message through a dream, butI let it find me rather than going
to find it, because sometimes,you know, I know enough about like
the human body to understand that youcannot break down every single block or wall

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or everything that you've built up toprotect yourself through the trials of life.
Sometimes it's there to hold you upand protect the soul. And if you
break down the walls too quickly oryou go in where you're not supposed to,
you could actually do more damage,and you want to be careful with
that. So I take a really, really gentle approach to health and healing

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because I believe small, consistent changeswork best, especially for those who are
really sick, and as you buildfrom there, you're able to heal and
come from a really solid foundation.So gentle is always best. I don't
I'm not proponent of going and lookingfor trouble. Yeah. Well, and

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you know, it's it's interesting likesome of the dreams that I like,
I had a dream last night,And to your point, it's not every
night that I remember all of mydreams, but last night I remember it
very vividly, and it's kind ofbeen with me all day. I've been
trying to I've been trying to breakit down and understand it to some extent,
like why did that happen? Howdid that happen? Why did it
happen that way? And there arethese very like these reactions that we have

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in our dreams sometimes that are verylike we're whoa, I was I really
screaming? Or was I really youknow, and it's it's a little bit
strange. Or when I'm flying,right like I've I've had dreams of flying
and I wake up and I'm like, wait a second, I can't fly.
Wait a second. Yeah, Imean I really do think like if
you're if you're dreaming of flying,I think your soul it kind of takes

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flight. It's like, I don'tthink we're completely our brain is not shut
down when we're asleep. We're sovery much operational. You know. There's
there's dreams that people have you know, I used to have this recurring dream
as a kid that I was runningaway from a situation and it kept getting
caught up with me and I couldnever quite make it away, and then
every time it got so close,I'd wake up right. And I know

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from what I've learned so far isthat sometimes you have like heavy metals in
the brain. Toxic heavy metals canbe you know, they are big in
many people's brains. We all havea little bit of them. Some people
have more, some people have less. But if it's in a part of
your brain where you're dreaming and asignal like a nerve signal, is trying

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to get through and it's not gettingthrough, there could be a toxic heavy
metal in the way of that,which is that's what that indicates, not
being able to run away from that. It's just so fascinating and interesting to
learn it is, Yeah, andI want to learn a lot more.
I just want to stay with yourhistory a little bit longer, just because
it's definitely unique to my show.I don't always get someone coming in from

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Kuwait and with your background and especiallywith experience in the Gulf War, and
so I'm just a little bit Idon't want to dig too deep in terms
of this, because I'm sure itcan go down an emotional path for you
and I don't want to go thatfar into it. But I am just
curious more of life growing up inthe Middle East throughout you know, through

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the Gulf Wars, and what thatexperience was like for you, and if
you can just share that with me, because I am curious about it and
about your life absolutely well. Growingup in the Middle East was actually a
beautiful, beautiful childhood. I mean, it was safe, it was comfortable.
My parents. You know, mydad worked for he was in a

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mechanical engineer. He had a jobat one of the oil refineries. He
was a mechanic and he would Igo in and check all the oil wells
and do all of that. Sohe had a salary job. But it
was comfortable and he you know,it was just a nice life. I
remember being it was just a happylife. And that was my childhood.

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So that was in Kuwait, andthen when the Gulf War happened. It
was August second, nineteen ninety andmy youngest sister, my baby sister,
had just been born maybe a coupleof weeks before that, and we ended
up flying to Pakistan so she couldcome and see the family and all of

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that. So while we left Julythirty first and August second, the invasion
happened. My father was there andthat was a very very emotional time because
we lost contact with him for awhile, and eventually, of course,
he made it back. And there'sa I feel like my dad could probably
write like a few books on that, but it was it was a big

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story around that, and he finallymade it back, and I remember,
so you'd talk about intuition, right, Everybody was worried that something had happened
to him because they were starting tobomb and they were starting to do things,
lost contact, and every time Iprayed, every time I prayed,
I had such confirmation he was okay. Every single time I'd go to my

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mom, I'm like, Dad's okay, And my grandfather would say the same
thing. We'd pray together. Actuallyhe would say the same thing. Everybody
else would be so worried, andI remember being so calm. I was
fourteen years old, and I justknew in my bones he was okay.
You know, it was like anknowing. Like another example of that in
real life, like I could becrying, I could be bawling, but

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in my heart I was so calm. My mom always also mentioned, she's
like, you were always so calm, and she'd make me, she said,
I would help her feel calm.And yeah, and so when he
finally made it back, we wouldjust obviously overjoyed to see him and have
him back. And then after thatwe moved. You know, we were
a year in Pakistan, and thenwe moved to Oman, so Muscat.

(30:52):
Oman was just south of Saudi Arabiaand south of the UAE. Spent about
nine years there. I went toschool there again, it was just a
beautiful, a beautiful place to liveand grow up. And I started working
while I was there, so Ihad graduated high school, I started working
and then and then after that wemoved to UA. So I was in

(31:17):
the UAE for two and a halfyears before I went to London to do
my graduate studies. And then Ihad met my husband already in the UAE,
and then we went home, gotmarried, and I moved to the
US. So that's sort of likethe history of my childhood. I would
say though that in the workplace,when I started working is when I started

(31:38):
to notice things like, well,I was like the only professional woman in
the office at the time, andit was hard for people to take me
seriously. I really felt like thatwas a struggle when I was young,
and then I looked younger than myage too, because I was remember being
eighteen starting this job and people wouldask me like, are you fourteen years

(31:59):
old? Like no, you know, and I was in those countries you
could actually work study at the sametime. So I studied to become a
chartered accountant from the UK, andyou had to work and get your hours
sort of like the UK a USequivalent of a CPA, but it's just
a different system and how it worksover there. So I did that,
and but that's where I noticed,like the disparities between women and men,

(32:24):
especially in a place I didn't reallyexperience that as much growing up. But
like I think my family was justI'm you know, I come from a
family of for four girls or foursisters, and there was no difference between
the guy cousins and asked. Everybodytreated us the same. It wasn't like
our family was very very loving andopen and there was no disparity that way.

(32:47):
But when I came into the workplaceis when the disparities started to hit
me really hard, like, wow, I got was paid less than the
others I was. I was youknow, even even the male interns who
were there who started off with mewere paid more than I was paid.
So I remember graduating at the topof my class for my charted campacy program.

(33:08):
I actually won the bronze medal worldwide. And the guy who graduated with
me, who barely passed his exams, got promoted to an associate manager and
I didn't get a promotion. Soit was just like that kind of thing
would hit me a little bit overthere, but that I would say,
if there was a downside, that'sone of them. But mostly I never

(33:32):
really felt it any kind of difficultyliving out there. I really enjoyed my
life out there when I was there. And I mean, while we're on
the topic of adversity and dealing withadversity and being the only woman, and
of course being Muslim and being fromthe Middle East, I'm sure you might
have dealt with some adversity with that. I bring this up right now only

(33:53):
because I think about our listeners,our audience, and if there's somebody out
there struggling with some sort of adversitywhatever we want to call it. And
so I'd be remiss if I didn'task you on how you might have dealt
with those situations and maybe using yourintuition to be able to work through them,
any tools or tricks that you wereable to pull up to be able

(34:16):
to get through it well. WhenI so, I was obviously living in
the Middle East, I was neverdiscriminated against for being Muslim because those countries
are Muslim countries. If there wasany discrimination, it was really only because
I was a woman. Really,But when I came to the US,

(34:36):
I and to England when I wasthere, I really I have to tell
you I have had I've been lucky. I have very few experiences in my
life where people have discriminated against mebecause I've been a I mean I've had
that a little bit as a woman, but really in the US, never

(34:57):
as a woman, never as aMuslim, never as a person of color,
which I didn't even know that wasa term till like ten years ago.
But I was already looking there forten years and someone said to me,
I see you as a woman ofcolor. I'm like, really,
like, oh, it never doeseven occurred to me. It wasn't even
in my vernacular, it wasn't evenin my thoughts. So I felt very

(35:17):
respected when I started working here inthe United States. There was equality of
pay, there was like all theselittle things that I had never seen before
were there. And also I wouldsay that here I was probably more respected
for my abilities, for my work, for my merit than I was ever

(35:39):
in the Middle East. And couldyou speak to then how this respect might
have also helped bring your career towhere it is today. Yeah, I
for the first time when I startedworking at my first job in the US
was with NBC and at that timethey were owned by GE, so it
was with a G company. Wasin finance, and I, you know,

(36:02):
I was. I started off asthis as the CFO for the retail
store and the NBC retail experience.If you've ever done that, it's like
taking you through a tour of theof their studios and like the history of
the studios and the retail store.And then I got promoted nine months in
to the operations finance which I andI retained both roles, both the CFO

(36:24):
role as well as the new operationsrole, and I had a portfolio of
like I don't know close to likefour hundred million dollars worth of you know,
stuff that I was looking at foroperations, like everything that it takes
from to get a signal from inreal life onto the air and onto all
the networks all over the US.So it was an education. I'm I

(36:47):
wasn't a TV person, so Ieveryone had a TV in their office and
they would watch TV. And Iremember going to a meeting and everyone's talking
about Matt Lauer and I'm like,who is Matt Lower. I had a
real education in American TV, whichI you know, I'm not a TV
person. I don't watch a lotof TV, so I wasn't even into

(37:07):
all that. So anyway, Ilearned a lot. And I would have
to say that that respect that Igot, like being promoted nine months into
being there, it was a voteof confidence in who I was and my
abilities right which I had never hadin my whole career. And I remember

(37:29):
sitting there in tears with my husband. I'm like, look at this contract,
like I can't believe that they wantto promote me and I'm only nine
months in. I felt like I'vealways felt Michael like I've always had to
work so hard to prove myself becauseI was always on the back foot and
being a woman, being whoever Iwas, like being Muslim, or being
a minority, or being you know, any of that. It's like you

(37:51):
have to get it right better thaneverybody else for them to even mildly believe
in you or trust you. Andwhat happened when I moved here was that
kind of multi away a little bit. I felt like the pressure lifted because
I was being respected for what Iwas bringing to the table, regardless of
who I was. And I haveto say that, you know, many
people here still feel that there's notenough equality or there's still problems here in

(38:15):
America. And I'm going to tellyou, if you lived abroad and you've
lived in other countries, you willget the most respect, even if it's
not perfect. You get the mostleast discrimination, even if it's not perfect
here in the United States, morethan you do anywhere in the world that
I've noticed. Thank you so muchfor sharing that. I know that it's

(38:35):
a little bit off topic of whatwe're talking about in terms of your career,
I do want to bring up abook that might also support what you
just said here. I just finishedat Michelle Obama's book, The Light We
Carry. Did you read it?Not yet? No? Yeah, Yeah,
I think you'll enjoy it. Ithink it supports a lot of what
you just said there in terms oflike coming off the back foot and with
the promotion meant for you and everythingyou just said there. So I really

(38:57):
just wanted to make sure that wetouched on that because it's I think something
really important for everyone to hear thestory that you just shared there. And
then also, of course for anybodywho's listening right now, I think it's
also really great if they're experiencing somehard times. I want to speaking of
hard times. I want to speakabout your hard times because that's kind of
what led you to where you are. And I kind of want to read

(39:20):
off this list that you have righton your website of some of the things
that you ended up dealing with ofchronic fatigue and neurological fatigue, migraines,
chronic pain, asthma, tonight issevere, all sorts of different things that
I'm actually uncomfortable saying out loud,to be honest. So I'm not gonna
lie. I'm not gonna lie.I certainly got as reading the list,

(39:42):
I was just like, wait asecond, am I really going to say
that? I guess not. I'llleave that for you to say. But
all of these symptoms, some ofthem you ended up dealing with and having
yourself. And this is we're gettingit back. We're getting back on track
here in terms of your intuitive medicineand how you started working on yourself and
healing yourself and then start bringing thatto others. So I'm interested. You

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know, we we touched on youin this corporate life, right, and
how that led to probably some ofthese symptoms and what you were able to
do. So if you could helpus transition there, I was. So
my story actually goes back to whenI was a baby. I was a
newborn and I ended up with eggsall over my body three months old.
And you know, my parents usedconventional tools. They were living in Kuwait

(40:29):
at the time, and my grandparentsweren't around. So I think that my
grandparents had been around, they weregoing to try this or try that,
but you know they try theeopathic stuff. You mean, yeah, I mean
my grandfather was a homeopath, right, So that has featured on my journey
as well because of him. SoI've had like many you know, influences
both allopathic and alternative and natural aswell and holistic in my life. So

(40:52):
my parents, you know, obviouslyused what was available to them that conventional
stereoid creams and what have you.I was three months old, you know,
they didn't want to. It washer first baby. It were scared
right in the new country. Theydon't have family around, Like you do
what you have to do to getthe child better. And then after that,
at around you know, close tolike three months old, I was

(41:12):
sorry, older than three years old. I started to develop over this time,
chest infections and just multiple like useof antibiotics for every kind of infection
I had. I ended up withtuberculosis at three and then severe asthma at
six years old, and like literallydoubled over a can't breathe, you know,
struggling to breathe needed the pups,needed inhalers, needed to rush to

(41:36):
the hospital for a nebulizer treatment andall of that. And it was a
big feature of my life. Iremember being sickly, like I was always
like, oh, I've always gotsomething going on. I always had a
nose running, always had a cough, always had infections, science infections,
your infections, like you name it. I had it right, And it

(41:57):
was hard to be a normal kidbecause I could would run around and I
get asthmatic or i'd you know,have to sit out or take care of
myself. Couldn't laugh too hard becauseI would start to get asthmatic. I
couldn't cry too much because I'd startto get asthmatic. So I was like,
I always like finding myself, likewalking in a very narrow kind of
path, so I wouldn't get triggered. But you know, that then developed
into I had like weight gain andmy teen years, when I know lots

(42:22):
of kids go through that, butweight gain and and but I say that
because that's a symptom that I didn'tknow was happening. I only learned later
in my life acne and you know, fatigue. And then when it was
in my twenties, my I wentto my thyroid doctor and not a thiro
doctor, just my GP and she'slike, I think your third's inflamed.

(42:43):
And they did that test and theydiscovered I was gluten intolerant. And it
just was one thing after another.After every time I went to the doctor,
there was some new thing that Iwas dealing with, and that's what
these development of symptoms that kept havingat UTIs and use infections, and like
probably those are the ones you did, you know, like multiple symptoms,

(43:05):
like you know, I don't knowsixty seventy symptoms that I was dealing with
at various points of my life,and the biggest one being, you know,
the asthma that was really troubling whenI moved to the US. I
when I moved to London for mygraduate studies, I had an explosion of
symptoms because I was coming from theMiddle East where it was hot and dry,

(43:30):
and I was coming to England itwas wet and rainy all the time,
so it was damp and those conditionsdidn't suit me. So I ended
up with more symptoms, more needingto rush to the hospital or the clinics
there trying to get support. Wentback on antibiotics, which I wanted to
not do, but I couldn't helpbecause I was at school and I need
to get through school. So Idid that. And then and then when

(43:52):
I moved to the US, Istarted to notice even more symptoms were coming
up, like I would have randomallergic symptoms walking outside my half my face
would blow up. I'd wake upone morning and literally my eye was purple
and scary looking, and You're like, oh my god. I was in
my twenties. I was really marriedin my twenties. Didn't know what was

(44:15):
going on. My husband, poorthing. He like called every doctor he
found, like the top doctors forall of these things, and I'd go
to the top pole monologists, theallergists' office, you know, like finding
these really good doctors who would belike, yeah, my allergists. It's
like, I don't know why you'rehaving this. And I'm like, well,
I don't know how I'm having this, but you're supposed to know how
I am having this. But therewere no answers, right, And he

(44:37):
said, well, we could doallergy testing and give you allergy shots.
So, for the second time inmy life, I did that. It
didn't help it all. I endedup, you know, I ended up
becoming so fatigued and sick that Ihad to quit my job. And that's
the only reason I think I quitmy job is because I just couldn't.

(44:57):
I couldn't take it anymore. Myintuition at that point told me it's very
clear. I was like I don'tthink I'm going to work in corporate ever
again. And it was hard forme because my career was a big part
of who I was, and forme to even contemplate that thought was strange.
So I remember my mom was visitingher brother and I called to say

(45:21):
hello, and it's talking to myuncle and I said, by the way,
i've quit my job and he said, what do you mean You've quit
your job? And he's like callingon to my mom, He's like,
did you know she quit her job? And she's like, oh, yeah,
So why didn't you tell me you'vebeen living here for so long?
And she said, oh, becauseI don't believe it. She's just going
through a face. She's going togo back. And I'm listening to this

(45:43):
and they had a fight because shedidn't tell him that I quit my job
because she didn't believe that it wasa real thing. And I remember and
he's like, so is this true, You're going to go back? I
said, I don't think I'm evergoing to go back, and he's like,
did you know she's saying she's nevergoing to go back. And these
two are having a little like squavelover this situation, and Finally, when

(46:07):
I said to my mom later ona few months later, I'm like,
Mom, I don't think I'm goingback. You know, I'd walk past
my office, which is in Rockclassat NBC's at Rock Plaza, right,
I'd go back there to the cityand walk around, and it was just
like I knew. It was justthat knowing, which is kind of probably

(46:27):
the most powerful form of my intuitivegift when I know, I know.
At the risk of sounding like aknow it all Michael, because people have
told me that my whole life,it sounds like I know it all,
But I'm not trying to be aknow at all. I just I just
know that this isn't going to happenor And it's such a hard line to
walk sometimes because then you don't wantto say it because then you were scounding

(46:49):
like a know it all or youknow. My husband and I had a
fight as well when we got married, and he wanted to go live in
New York City, and I remembersaying to him, like, We're never
going to live in New York City, so you can't make a kind of
decisions. We're together now, we'rea couple. We need to make these
decisions together. And I'm like,oh, right, okay. So I
said, what do you want todo? What do you want to do?
And he's like, well, weshould go look at apartments. I'm

(47:12):
like, okay, but okay,and we did, like we looked at
maybe eighty apartments, and we cameout of a week of looking at apartments
and he's like, I don't thinkI want to live in here. Yeah.
I kind of knew that, right, And and there's been so many
instances where I can tell you,like, you know, he's like planning

(47:35):
to go somewhere for work. I'mlike, that's never going to happen.
And now when I say that,he's like, oh god, so you're
saying I'm like, yeah, Idon't think it's going to happen. And
these things just come out of mymouth because I'm more comfortable now with my
family, and of course my husbandnow knows me. We've been married twenty
years, so it's okay now.But in the beginning, it was really

(47:57):
hard because I would say like,I don't think we should do that or
I and it was always coming froma feeling, not from because I know
better than other people, but alsoI was just being honest about what I
was feeling, but it's taken yearsto really figure out like these this is
like part of the gift, right, this is part of the knowing that
comes through. And I've ignored ittoo many times where always ended up in
trouble when I ignored it. AndI know for a fact that when that

(48:20):
when it's so clear, it's soin my body, I'm like, oh,
yeah, this is this is thetruth. So that's I don't know,
I don't know if I answered yourquestion, but I mean we went
we went places with that answer.Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
you're you're You're good. I'll getus to where we're going, don't worry.
Uh yeah, no, were whatI was asking about was when you

(48:40):
had mentioned quitting your job and wewere getting into your intuitive medicine. Yeah,
so it started with that and Iand you know, a friend of
mine got me. She gave mea book. Now it's like fifteen twenty
years ago. She gave me abook and she said, yeah, I've
been reading this. It's all aboutinformation. I think this is what you've
got going on, like matches.So much of what you've been telling me

(49:02):
is going on with you. AndI opened the book, I read it
from cover to cover in twenty andone night, Like I remember, seven
in the morning. I'm so likereading. I'm like, okay, I'm
doing this. That was annoying aswell, like food has to change.
I knew. I cut out sugardairy grains, meat and sugar dairy grains,

(49:23):
meat and gluten like overnight, right, and eggs. I cut them
out overnight. And I went tothe grocery store. I put the book
down. It was eight in themorning, grocer store open. I'm driving
there. I'm like stalking up witheverything the books saying to eat, like
fruits and vegetables, right, SoI'm stalking up in fruits and vegetables.
And I'll tell you that's when thebiggest miracle for me happened. Was I

(49:44):
started eating these for some vegetable letgo of other foods I was eating.
It was hard. I mean itwas hard. I still have stuff in
my pantry that my husband was eatingand I'm like, okay, I'm not
eating that. And it was likeI just really decided I was going to
do this. And two weeks in, I was on eight prescription drugs at

(50:05):
this point. Two weeks in,like I don't think I need my drugs
anymore. I don't think I needthem, and I you know, I
would take a little bit of somethinghere and there and just to test it
out. But I was feeling somuch better. I started to have clarity
of thought, I started to haveenergy back. I started to feel alive

(50:27):
again in some way. I startedto feel like I might could breathe easy.
My breathing improved. That was like, such, I you know,
the feeling of because I don't knowif you're ever have you ever been in
a in a situation where you couldn'tbreathe, or it's hard to breathe,

(50:49):
or it's it's really stressful when youcan't breathe. I live with this for
I'm a young kid. So whensomething opened up for me the for the
first time in my life, Ifelt this ease with breathing. I cried.
I was like, oh, isthis what it feels like? They're
really easy and because you take itfor granted, right, everyone breathes although

(51:12):
you don't think about it. ButI thought about my breathing all the time.
Is anything that make it slightly labored? And it would? Then I
couldn't sleep, I couldn't walk,I couldn't stand, I couldn't do anything,
and then I was on steroids tocontrol all of that. So anyway,
I had this opened up for mewith my changing my food, and
I was hooked. I was like, if I hadn't had this personal experience,

(51:36):
I don't know if I would havebelieved the impact that food can have
on the human body. But alsoit makes sense because what do you build
yourselves from. They're built from theraw material of what you eat. They're
not built from drugs, They're notbuilt from supplements maybe a little bit,
but mostly it's the food that youeat that builds the body. So I

(51:57):
started eating and I just felt better. The weight came off, the I
wasn't sluggish anymore. I wasn't feelingfatigued. That was the other thing that
was really getting me. I wasfatigued. It was a struggle to get
up in the morning. It wasa struggle to go to work. It
was a struggle to think straight.And I had brain fog, right,
I like, but until it goesaway, You're like, oh my god,

(52:19):
like this is how different I feel, And it just it it like
just opens up opens up your wholemind and soul and heart, to wow,
there's another way. And on theheels of that, we got pregnant
because I was told that I shouldn'ttry to get pregnant while I was on
all these drugs, and we gotpregnant. I got accepted at nutrition school,

(52:42):
and my life was never the sameagain. That was the beginning of
the second part of my life,so the life I really came to live.
I can speak to some of thattoo, and that when I changed
my diet, I felt completely different. I practice inter minute fasting. I've
been doing it now close to ayear, and then now I've been doing

(53:02):
as I mentioned earlier in the episode, twenty four and forty eight hour fast
thirty six hours in between there,and I do those once a week.
I'm not saying that anybody should bedoing that, or that that's right for
them or anything. But what I'llsay for me in terms of my experience
with food is that by changing mydiet, because just because I'm fasting doesn't
mean that I go out and justeat pizza or cheeseburger. When I'm done,

(53:24):
I eat very clean and very healthyas well. But by changing the
way that I eat and the timeframesthat I eat in I've noticed this brain
fog that you're talking about, orlack thereof brain fog, and fatigue from
doing it. And it's only becauseof where I am today that I can
look back and go, oh,that's what that was like. Where you

(53:45):
have your breakfast and afterwards you're kindof like tired and don't feel like going
to work. It's not that youdon't like your I mean, sometimes you
don't like your job. Right,We're not talking about whether you like or
don't like your job. We're nottalking about whether you're strong or not strong.
Sometimes it's not that you don't well, you know, it's just that
you've eaten food that's sitting in yourbelly, that's trying to digest, that's
really making your body work really hard. And then to your point, that's

(54:09):
also not building cells and your bodyand proteins in your body that are actually
conducive to thinking and to creating energy. You think you're eating energy because it's
a thousand calorie bacon, egg andcheese, but it's not the right kind
of energy. And I've noticed thatwith lunch, same thing and everything.

(54:30):
And now that I fast, what'sinteresting is that when I break a fast,
I have to be very conscious ofhow I break my fast, and
because the mistake that I've been makingand I'm changing is over eating. When
I break my fast, and thenagain when you overeat, you get that
sluggishness afterwards, which is not whyyou know. I don't fast so that

(54:51):
I get sluggish later. I doit so I have energy. So I
have experienced this myself and can seethe contrast of when not eating healthy,
not eating the right foods has affectedme in a negative way. And then
to your point about medicines, sinceI've been eating the way that I eat

(55:13):
and fasting and doing what I donow from a nutritional standpoint, I knock
on wood, have not gotten sickin a really long time. And I
am somebody who was prone to sinusinfections. I was on antibiotics very regularly,
to the point where they would haveto change the script. That couldn't
be the same xitromax every time,couldn't be the same zepa. They'd have

(55:36):
to rethromycin and all these different onesbecause I'm like two, three four sinus
infections every season. Every season,I went through three four sinus infections.
And since I changed my diet,I haven't had any and same thing with
colds, and it's like, well, you have young kids like I have.
My daughters are six and eight,and obviously they were younger prior to

(55:58):
this, and same thing. Ohyou have kids, that's why you get
a cold. Well, I stillhave kids, and I still live with
them, and I still kiss them, and I still share food with them.
I literally share food with my daughters. I will eat off of their
plates I all day, every day. I'll drink it red out the same
cup as them. And I don'tget their colds. They'll have a cold.

(56:19):
I don't get there running. No, I don't get their colds.
So there's a lot to be saidabout nutrition. So I just wanted to
kind of like emphasize that because Ithink it's so important to hear. And
I'm not promoting any one way ofgoing about it, whether you're keto or
fasting or not or anything. That'snot what I wanted to say here.
I just wanted to emphasize what yousaid. I want to get onto the

(56:39):
side of things where you're very intuitive, because now that you've healed yourself and
that you've found all this other stuffout, now you're looking at others and
you said this earlier, and Iwas like, I can't wait to go
back to this where you said youcould see inside people's hearts and inside their
minds and be able to help them, you know, find find a cure

(57:01):
for that, not a cure,but find a way to help them.
And I love for you to sharethat intuitive medicine that you have. Oh
goodness, Okay, So yeah,I And like I said, it's different
with each person what shows up.So it's not like I have the same
thing show up in the same roadway with each person I work with.

(57:22):
What happens is that I believe Ialways say a prayer before I start because
I don't believe this is coming fromme myself. I think it's I get
help from God. I get helpfrom the angels right who really help to
help me with my gift and helpme get the right knowledge of what I

(57:43):
need to see in someone. That'swhy I believe it's different each time.
And so sometimes with a person whenI'm talking to them, you know,
I can I can sense I canalways sense a heavy heart and behind that
is either sadness or grief or angersome times, or you know, shame
killed some of those big those biggeremotions. So when I'm talking to someone,

(58:07):
that's often something that will come throughpretty quickly. Or if someone has
a really bright spirit or if theyhave like if they're you know, like
God, sometimes i can see likethis bright color around them and I'm like,
wow, that's your shining spirit.Then those people tend to and people
who have like a zest for lifeand they're so like open and you can

(58:30):
see those, but you can alsosee like their heartache and their and their
troubles and what they've been through.So it's not always visual. It's often
Just like I've said before, mystrongest part of my gift is knowing and
in speaking to people, it justkind of comes through. And it's very

(58:50):
hard to describe how. I don'thave words for that. All I have
is the lived experience of it happeningover and over again. So when I'm
working with people, I've also Idon't ever purport to know anything. I'm
always curious and I'm asking questions,but what leads me to a question is

(59:10):
my intuition. So for example,I was on I run a membership community
and we do live calls, aQ and A every month, and you
know, sometimes I have a lasercoach. Somebody comes on and they have
a question. I'm like, well, I need to need to know a
little bit more. And I'm talkingto this one person and she's like,
I have this going on, andI have this going on, and I'm
just out of the blue. Iwas like, are you allergic to latex?

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And she goes, I really am. I'm like well, and she
goes, oh my gosh, doyou think that this is related to what
I'm dealing with? And I said, I really do think it is.
And again it's like, how wouldI know? Right? I get amazed
by that. It's not like I'mlike, oh, yeah, I got
it. Never it started like ohmy gosh, it came through. Or

(59:52):
sometimes I'm talking to someone and I'mlike, what happened when you were nine
years old and they're like, ohmy dad died. I'm like, oh,
okay. You know, it's withsprings and inklings like that that seem
totally random, and with these personsit's a little different. So when I'm
asking questions, like with some people, I'm like, oh, like,
because I can sense the kind ofvirus that kind of could be in someone's

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body, what type of virus itis, I'm you know, and I
ask questions. I'm like, sodoes it you know, does it feel
tingly here? Do you have painrunning down here? Or do you have
this or that. That's just mekind of confirming what I think might be
going on. So I'll then sharea little bit more about Okay, well
I think that you can have Xy Z going on. If someone's fatigued,

(01:00:37):
I can always tell. It's likeso clear. I'm like, oh,
you're like exhausted. You're like,oh, yeah, I know,
I'm so tired. You know.Yeah, it's it's it's it comes through
in these different ways, and beingable to pick up on my toxicity in
people or toxic heavy metals or youknow what types of heavy metals. Sometimes

(01:00:57):
I'm not as clear on what exacttype it is, but usually I'll know
when there's toxic heavy metals that someone'sdealing with, or sometimes chemicals, right,
chemicals that they're up against or they'vebeen around or been exposed to.
And so it's a combination. Mysessions are like a combination of me having
these intuitive hits and then talking withthe people in front of me, going

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what is it, Like, wheredid you grow up and sometimes if I
get a hit on radiation, I'mlike, where did you grow up?
And a couple of times it's youknow, come up and people like,
well, I was I grew upin you know, I was born in
the Ukraine. I'm like, whatyear and they're like, nineteen eighty six,
that's when Chernobyl happened, right,So it's like being able to help

(01:01:43):
people make those types of connections withit. Like I had a family who
had thyroid cancers and they were Polish, right, I'm like, were you
all around in that area when andshe goes, yeah, yeah, we
were, like we grew up there, and yeah, we were definitely around
when Chernovo happened. And you know, it's you know, because that can
play a part. And so it'sjust little things like that which can be

(01:02:05):
interesting to see in in the humanbody, what people have going on.
I play into I'm interested if youcould do this for me now, I'm
like, can you can you examineme via zoom here? Have you ever
read the book Blink by Malcolm Gladwell, Yes, I love Oh, I'm
so happy you read it and soI don't have to go through the whole
journey there and for our listeners theycan they can pick up on what you're

(01:02:28):
going to probably share here. AndI'll also pick up the book if you'd
like. I'm interested in, sinceyou know the book, how you maybe
look at this a little bit differentlythan what he speaks about in the book
in terms of and just to sharea little bit about this and that what
he talks about in the book andthis at least this is my interpretation from

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when I read it over over ayear ago. Now of these intuitions are
more of because you've been around certainthings so many times, and scenes things
so many times. That is almostpattern recognition. And because of the pattern
recognition, it starts getting confused withintuition. Not that I'm saying that you're
doing this, but I'm just interestedin your thoughts on that and what you

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do. I think I think thetour connected. I don't think they're necessary.
I think the pattern recognition is aform of intuition. It can develop
into that because intuition can be developedright if you go, look, I've
met doctors who are really good doctors. They've been doctors for twenty thirty years.
I'll give you an example. Ihad my daughter broke her ankle when

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she was six years old and wehad to take her into the doctor.
We went in and you know,and we didn't know it was broken.
So we went in and you know, you know, their X ray machine
wasn't working at the time in theclinic or whatever it was, and we
basically he was like he was anolder doctor, he must have been like

(01:03:52):
in his sixties, and he's like, all right, well, let me
just see you know, what isgoing on here. So he started to
palpit her foot and started to prodand poke and like really look around and
and and you know he was lookingat He's like, well, I pretty

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much pick up the injuries here.And you know, you could tell he
knew what he was talking about becausehe'd just done it so many times.
So I believe that if you haveenough practice as well around a certain modality
that you use, or it couldbe anything, it could be you know,

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you could be using biofrequency machines,you could be using acupuncture, you
could be using home up with thehomeopaths as well. Have to be really
intuitive, you know, because it'sit's about combining the knowledge that you have
with your your ability to sort ofsense what that person needs. And I
saw the doctor do that in reallife. He was looking around. He's

(01:04:56):
like, well, and he's jokingtoo, He's like, you got a
younger guy, he probably would becomfortable with this. And I got that
because nowadays there's such a huge relianceon the testing and the diagnostics, and
we think that that is everything.But I really believe that the human touch
and the human palpation that human connectionbecause humans are intuitive and if you have

(01:05:19):
a lot of knowledge, you couldpick up on stuff that even would be
better than perhaps the X ray orthe machine, although or it could corroborate
what you pick up right, Andwatching him do that in real time made
me realize because midwives do that too. I had midwives to all three of
my babies, and you know,they're like, oh, here's the butt,

(01:05:40):
here's the head, here's you know, they could feel it and how
do they know that. A lotof it is training, a lot of
it is the knowledge, but alsotheir intuition is playing a role in that.
I mean, we don't doubt thatmothers have intuition, right, I
think everybody in the world will getthat mothers have intuition for their babies.
It comes and specifically it's God givenfor that child, for the mother to

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protect that child. You have aknowing about your own kid as opposed to
another kid. Right, So ifwe have it for a children, why
wouldn't we have it for other thingsas well? And our work and our
and our calling I think is veryconnected. Everyone says not just mine,
but I just recognize mine, Ithink, and I think everyone's calling.

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Whether you name it or you don'tname it, there's intuition at play.
You know, we're using intuition,whether we know it or we don't.
For example, if you walk intoa room and there's people facing away from
you, and you decide you're goingto stare at the back of someone's head,
in a couple of minutes, they'regoing to turn and look at you,
maybe even sooner. How do theydo it? How do they know
that they didn't hear you come in, they didn't see that you're they didn't

(01:06:45):
see with their eyes that you're lookingat them, but they feel it and
they turn around and look. I'vetested this with so many people. Always
it works every time. It's likeit's like when you're driving right and you
look over and the other person looksover look at it. You, Yeah,
they're looking at Isn't that wild?Yeah, it's wild. We have
intuitive abilities, even if we don'tknow that we're using them. So think

(01:07:09):
about this too, Like, thinkabout a sense of direction, Think about
a sense of time, What abouta sense of humor? What about common
sense? Are these not types ofintuitions? How do some people have better
senses of direction than others? It'ssome part of their brain that knows it,
but they haven't. Nobody studies thatunless you're like a cartographer, you're

(01:07:29):
like or you do surveys and youlike, you know, land surveys and
things like that. But like ifyou have no training that this, people
just have a sense of These areintuitions. These are of intuition. So
you know, one of my things, I have a very strong sense of
time, Like I know when likean hour's gone by or ten minutes gone
by? Said. Sometimes people askme all the time, and so I'm
like, it should be like tenminutes to seven, and they're like,

(01:07:51):
how do you know that? Youdidn't even look at the clock. It's
just how do you know that?Right? It's interesting? I yeah,
And I think that there's a trustas well, right, like you trust
yourself because you're not always right,but for the most part you are,
and so you trust yourself. Yeah, there's the trust is very very important.

(01:08:14):
So I think knowledge and intuition worktogether, especially if you have like
truthful knowledge, which is really liketrue team with a capital T, right,
truth with a capital T. It'sthat knowledge helps you to hone in
your intuition even more so. Ireally believe that when I've seen a lot

(01:08:38):
of like I've worked with a lotof different people, healers, practitioners from
all backgrounds, and I noticed it. I noticed it, going observe it
in them. They're using their knowledge, but they're also always using their intuition.
You have to, you can't.You can't operate without it because it's
all It's a part of who youare. So you know, I had
I went, I took my kidsto a doctor one time and he was

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like, is she really And he'slooking at her and he's looking in her
mouth, and you know, andhe was a holistic doctor and he looked
at me, he goes, she'sreally really head strong, right, I'm
like, yes, so yeah,I can tell. And I was so
curious to ask him how you couldtell. But he did that with all
of my kids, just like figuringout their personalities or emotional states that he

(01:09:21):
could just tell him, Like he'sso intuitive, right, And this always
plays into it, whether you knowit or you don't. Even in your
work, maybe you're interviewing people allthe time. You get a sense of
who they are, you know,a sense of where you can push them,
maybe a little bit more where youcannot push them. You get a
sense of maybe I should not askthat question. How do you know?
You know because your intuition is tellingyou that. And it's not just pattern

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recognition. It's that person sitting infront of you that you're connecting with.
Right, it could be patterned recognition. You could see similar patterns and that
would inform you as well. Butmaybe in a similar pattern, you could
push with one person more than another. But how would you know to do
that because the pattern is the same. But yeah, you're making a different
decision. Yeah, I mean you'reone hundred percent correct on the connection is

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the And that took time to andbe act to your pattern recognition because when
I first started the podcast, itwas always in person and I soon shifted
to zoom because I was getting mostof my guests from across the country,
from all over the place, whichwas really cool, and it's like,
well, they can't all fly,and some of them do, which is

(01:10:30):
really cool. But it shifted towhere I do a lot of zoom interviews
now. And at first, you'reright, that pattern recognition was really hard
in that I was so used toface to face and picking up on these
little subtleties face to face that inthe beginning, when I first was doing
these zoom interviews, I wasn't ableto pick up on no subtleties, subtleties.

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And then as I did it moreand more, the zoom interviews became
very natural to me, you know, like even like right now, right,
it became much more natural than itwas prior. And it has to
do with again doing it over andover again and then being able to start
picking up on those subtleties through zoom, which I didn't know before they were

(01:11:14):
still there, right, The subtletieswere there, I just didn't see them.
And it was through doing it overand over and over again that I
started seeing them. But I wasn'talways conscious that I saw them until recently.
Actually, i've been doing zoom interviews, like so I double book all
my fridays with Zoom interviews, andfor the most part they come from these

(01:11:34):
different pr agencies and your ten Xand many others, and it's really wonderful.
It's such a blessing. It's socool to see my podcast go from
where I was to where I amtoday, and it's just so cool.
I just want to say this becausethis is so cool. When I first
started the podcast, I remember ithad to do with when I was starting

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my in the insuanurance world and itwas leveling up in the insurance world,
and a manager was saying to me, well, you're just getting local,
guess, and you know this podcastthing isn't going to work for what you're
trying to do, and not thatthis turned into working for what I was
trying to do for that company.I ended up quitting that company anyway,
but I ended up getting CEOs oflike huge corporations and businesses across the country

(01:12:20):
that if they would have believed alittle bit into my vision for my podcast
and given it some more time,they could have benefited from it in the
way that they wanted to. Thankfullythey didn't, and thankfully I followed my
path, which was to do thisas a true podcast and not as a
as a sale, but anyway notto get distracted from that. So more

(01:12:41):
recently, I did have somebody comein studio, and it was the first
time in like weeks that I hadsomebody in studio, and I'm like,
whoa, this is uncomfortable for me. And I am a total extrovert.
I am a total like hugger,like love being with people. I'm with
people all the time time, right, and I'm interviewing her and I'm like,

(01:13:02):
whoa, this is different, Likewhat just happened here? Yeah?
Yeah, it's like you do.You do get used to certain modalities of
being with people, right. Sofor example, before so Zoom for me
only really happened in the pandemic.Before that, I was on the phone.
I wasn't even seeing people on thescreen. I was just helping them

(01:13:24):
on the phone. And I stillprefer that. I still prefer to not
see somebody. I prefer to justclose my eyes and just do my thing.
And I struggled with the Zoom thingat first because everyone wanted to talk
to you and see you and theywere comfortable, but I was like,
so I then would look away tryingto like trying to get a little bit

(01:13:45):
back for myself how to help them, and it's always easier. But then
I adapted. Then I adapted withzoom, just like you did, right,
And you just get comfortable with differentways of meeting people and connecting with
them. But I think the mostimportant thing is the connection, right,

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And when we open our heart tosomebody, and I don't mean like in
a love way, it's just likein a friend Like you know, when
we're sitting here connecting and we're havinga fantastic conversation, your heart opens up,
you start to connect more, Yousort of it lights you up and
you're talking to them. Then younaturally are developing this intuitive connection with a

(01:14:27):
person and you'll be able to feelthings that because you're both open now to
each other, you'll be able tofeel things in each other if you tune
in. Because I actually teach thisto practitioners on how to tune in.
Like people come in their first class, they're doing a reading and they're like,
oh my god, I had noidea I could do this. Oh
my god, I had no ideathat this could work. Because they come

(01:14:48):
in they're completely and some of themare freaking out. They're like, I
don't think I can do this,this is going to work. I'm like,
just you gotta trust yourself. Ilead them through certain like steps and
part it's a meditation, and youknow, we ground ourselves and we get
connected. And then when I teachthe tools and how to do it,
and they're like, oh my god, I told this person a bunch of

(01:15:09):
things and they told me I wasright. So to me, it's like,
we can all do this. Weall have this ability, and I
feel like if we use it,it'll only get stronger. And most of
people don't really trust it. Also, I teach people how to know the
difference between fear and intuition, becausesometimes people act out of fear thinking it's
their intuition. It's like the biggestmistake people make and knowing the difference,

(01:15:32):
So how to know the difference that'svery important. And also cleansing the body,
so the more you cleanse the body, the more you'll get the toxic
heavy metals out of the body.The more you get I think about this
in terms of like we can haveour blood could be dirty, because when
it's I'm poisoned, blood could bedirty. Our brain could be dirty,
our livers can be dirty, ourorgans on the inside can be dirty.
And the cleaner you make them.Like, just think about a window.

(01:15:55):
They hadn't washed the window in twentyyears, it's going to be pretty gunky,
right, So as the window iscleaned, the vision and the connection
to what's past the window becomes clear. And that's the same thing, Like,
our body has this ability to connectwith our environment and the people in
the environment. Think about the connectionpeople have with their animals. Think about

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the connection people have with their gardensand their plants. We're sentient beings.
We're not living in our vacuum.And this ability to connect with each other
and our environments is so profound andso part of who we are. And
I'm like, I'm teaching my daughtersthis, you know, I'm teaching them

(01:16:39):
to listen. Like it took meyears of getting hard knobs to figure out
that I should just listen to myintuition. So I keep I don't know
they're going to go through their ownjourneys, but I want them to have
the tools and the trust of theirintuition to go through their journeys. And
I have three girls, all threevery intuitive and with all three having different

(01:16:59):
types of intuition, and we talkabout it. It's like a dinner table
conversation for us, you know,like what do you pick up? What
do you see in one of mydaughters, she sees colors around people,
and she has and she was twoyears old, because you know, when
she would draw, she would likedraw these colors around people, and I
would say to her, I waslike, what is that color? She
goes, Oh, that's the coloryou are. You know, mommy,

(01:17:20):
you're like a she'd always tell me, mommy, you're you're you're purple and
turquoise all the time. Purple andturquoise, and those are like the colors
I see when I close my eyesand meditate. It's so I was just
blown away when she told me that, you know, and like you would
ask her what's your favorite color?And she said, my favorite color is
the rainbow. I'm like, oh, okay, Like how come she goes,

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Because all the colors are so beautifulit's so hard to choose one.
And so her teachers would notice itin school too. It's like every time
she draws, she's drawing colors aroundpeople. So that's how she was at
her perception. And children actually havevery cute perception and we don't really pay
attention to it because sometimes it's showingup their drawings or sometimes showing up in

(01:18:01):
the way they they act, oryou know. I had another daughter who
would like walk off the bed andshe would think she could fly. But
this is what she would say,I don't know why I can't fly like
the fairies mommy, and had thisidea that she could. But where does
that idea come from? Where didthat get planted into her head? She
was only two or three years old, Like, we're not blank states.

(01:18:24):
I think when we're born, wecome in with whatever experiences we've had before,
and we when we remember some ofthem, we don't remember some of
them. It's a really it's areally interesting. It's really interesting if you
observe it carefully. If you observehumans, they're intuitive all the time.
It's like you know people, youknow, when you sit like a cafe

(01:18:45):
and you people watch, people watch, But I watch for people's like are
they connecting with each other in anyway? Are they observing something with each
other? You know? But younotice nowadays more and more like you've have
their headphones in and in their theirphone in front of them, or they're
not connecting, like you can tellthat they're cut off. But when someone's
not on their phone or not gotheadphones in, you watch like they are

(01:19:05):
interacting with the people around them withouteven directly interacting with the people around them.
It's fascinating. I have a questionfor you on this with in terms
of this, this has this relatesto me. And I always say this
to my wife, and I go, it's not my fault. I end
up in long conversations with people,and I'll and sometimes and I try really

(01:19:27):
hard to not write like because rightbecause it's like I got my wife's like,
we're we got to go here,we got to go there, and
I need your time frames, right, Like let's just without giving too much
examples time frames. And it's like, so I go into the grocery store
and like, I'll put on headphones, I'll put a hat on, I'll
put some glass, I'll do everythingI can to not be recognized. And
it's not even the person that recognizesme, it's just random people. Right.

(01:19:48):
And then the other thing I'll dois I'll and not that I'm recognizable.
I mean outside of people that knowme. Right, what I mean
is and then the other thing I'lldo is I'll make sure I'm not asking
any questions. Right, Like,if someone starts talking to me, I'm
like, I'm not going to askany follow up questions. Is going to
lead this down the path? I'mjust gonna be very short so that I
can get out of the conversation quickand every single time, and they've witnessed

(01:20:10):
it where we're like at a gasstation, They're like Dad talks to everybody,
and I'm like, I didn't eventalk to them. I put my
head down and they were talking tome, and you could see they were
talking to me. They were askingme and what am I going to be
rude? And yeah? Right,So my question in all of that,
and I love that you're head noddingwith me here, my question lies in
and like, so is that theconnection that I have with people then?

(01:20:30):
Is like like that that people justfeel they need to talk to me?
Well, you have a very openyou have a very open heart, and
you're so welcoming. Your energy isso warm and welcoming. And I saw
your face before you open your moutheven I'm like, wow, this guy's
warm, you know, like Ifelt that even through a zoom screen.
So I imagine like being in yourpresence and feeling that way. And I'll

(01:20:51):
tell you my husband says the samething to me. Literally, I was
nodding my head because he's like,don't get into long conversations with people.
Okay, I won't. I promiseI won't go there, But then people
approach me too. I have thesame experience where I could be you know,
kids, My social life is mykid's birthday party. Sure, yep,

(01:21:12):
I love them. I don't havetime for my own. So I'm
taking them here, taking them there. And we're at these parties and you
know, he'll say to me,he's like, don't talk about health.
I'm like, I won't even openmy mouth, and then it just goes
there. I don't know how.He's like, wherever you go, he
said, have I married to youfor twenty years? I've known you for
twenty three years. Wherever you go, the conversation ends up about help.

(01:21:38):
How I'm like, I think itkind of goes from when people ask me
what I do for a living andwhat do you want me to say?
Like why right? Like should sayI'm an accountant. I mean I am,
But should I just leave it there? You know, like what should
I do? Well? And theysay things right that are leading to where
it's like, you can't not saysomething right, correct? Correct? You

(01:22:00):
gonna just productive over your mouth andpretend you didn't hear it and walk away.
And I'm like, but there's somethingthere which is in the in my
being, Like I'm not doing it, I'm not calling it, I'm not
wanting it. I'm just but it'sthere, and people pick up on it
because it doesn't happen to him,right. It probably doesn't happen to your

(01:22:23):
wife either, Right, they'll justcome up to her and start talking.
It's a different they're different energy,it's a different personality. And I have
a daughter who's just like that too. She'll talk to anybody and it's in
her and the older too, justthey don't they don't do that. And
it's who you are. I thinkit's it's who we are. Like everyone

(01:22:43):
says, be your authentic self,be and be who you are. And
for us to be who we are, then we have to be able to
have their freedom to you know,have those interactions because that's kind of who
we are. So I find thatfascinating that I've never actually met somebody that
has voiced it, so almost exactlywhat I go through. It's it's I

(01:23:05):
mean, it's it's incredible. Ithappens all the time, every day,
all day. It's what my wholelike. I literally make sure I don't
look at people so that I don'tget into a can in it, and
I'm very conscious of it. I'mvery But anyway, I love that,
And it's like the intuituition. Iwant. I know that there's like a

(01:23:27):
lot of stuff to get into withyou, because like you have just like
an amazing you just have just youryour website has so much information on it
and you have like so many differentthings. And I really want to talk
about your secret recipe because it's it'shelped over ten thousand people. And so
I want to kind of like concludethere. But before we go there,

(01:23:49):
you brought up the difference between fearand intuition, and I just think that
that's so important to at least tonot just leave out there in the ether.
I would love for you to justkind of maybe just button that up
for us. Yeah, okay,so sometimes or actually many of many times,

(01:24:09):
we're making decisions. I mean,we make decisions all day long.
You know, we make a decisionto get out of bed in the morning,
we make a decision to go brushour teeth, and some of it's
just wrote in the habit and it'singrained. We don't think about it.
And then we have decisions and wehave to make like we have to move
across the country we have a newjob, or you know, you have
a child who got into this amazingschool and you want to move near them,

(01:24:31):
or you know, a bigger decision, a change of job or a
change of country or a state,and you're like, oh, like it's
a big decision, and fear comesup. Fear comes up, or leaving
a partner that you've been with andwasn't working out, and fear comes up
because what are you going to dowhen you're not with that partner? Or

(01:24:51):
what are you going to do withall the things you don't know about in
the new state or country you're movingto, or is it going to work
out? And all of those voicesare in us when we're trying to make
decisions, and we think it's importantto ask those difficult questions, which helps
us to make a decision. Andat the same time as it's important to

(01:25:15):
ask the question, we also needto be aware more of how fear can
come up, like when that heartstarts to raise or the chest gets tight,
or because every everything that you experiencein your in your physical realm,
in your body has a sensation init, with your book an equivalent sensation.

(01:25:38):
So when you're when you're scared orwhen you're fearful, your body's going
to feel different. If you closeyour eyes and tune in in that feeling,
you will pick up on what yourbody's communicating with you, like what
is the sensation showing up? Andthen when you're when you're happy and joyful,
it's different sensations. And when you'reyou know when when you and so

(01:26:00):
the intuitive space is a very it'svery peaceful. There's not a lot of
noise. It's usually a one wordanswer, there's not a lot of talking,
there's not a lot of like chatter. So said, yeah, peaceful,

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and I don't think too many peoplemake a decision from that space.
To make a decision that's difficult.From the other spaces, they can go
into the joy, the excitement ofit, and they can go into the
fear of the wonder of like what'sgoing to happen with it? And it's
more than wonder, because wonder isa space. Wonder is that space wonder,
and curiosity is like, oh,I wonder what will happen. It's

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like children, they wonder, they'rein their imagination, but they're not fearful
because life experiences teach us to befearful, right, so we can past
experiences and things that can happen.We have reference points, benchmarks in our
lives that we equate to certain typesof feelings and fears that we have experienced
before or that maybe similar it's comingup now, it triggers that fear.

(01:27:02):
So I if you're going to makea decision from fear, it's not likely
to be the right one. Itcould be the right one, but it's
not likely most of the time tobe the right decision, especially if it
would be different than the decision youmade when you're feeling really really kind of
chilled and peaceful. And you knowhow people say, I have this idea

(01:27:24):
when it's brushing my teeth in themorning, or I had this idea and
shower. Why Because in those momentsyou're not actually worried. You're just going
it's like you're going through the motions, you're going through things, but you're
not really thinking about anything else.You could be in a really peaceful state.
So I think it's really important tobe aware of the difference. Sometimes

(01:27:46):
in our mind we want a certainoutcome, but your intuition is actually giving
you the opposite answer, and itcan be really hard to accept that.
I find that very commonly amongst theclients that I work with, where the
right decision is is something difficult todo, but it's the right decision,

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but fear will hold them back frommaking that right decision because it just becomes
so it just becomes so big,and and I'll have people come on the
phone and tell me, oh,I know this is intuitive. This is
my intuitive decision. I know.I'm like, if you only weren't so
hyper about it, maybe maybe i'dbelieve you for a second. And then
when people will say to me,you know, I just decided this is

(01:28:35):
what I'm going to do. Itfeels right. Is not a lot of
words around that. Typically yeah,and that calmness too right. It shows
it's it's sort of like gentleness,calmness kind of annoying, kind of like
it's showing up in a very it'snot a lot of noise. That's what
I like to say, either happyexcitement or fear or whatever that is,

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Like there's just a place where there'svery little noise. And I believe you
know so I love Friends, right, I don't know if you've ever watched
Friends, of course, yeah,yeah, yeah. So basically, there's
this episode where Joey is going todrive across the country to Vegas, and

(01:29:21):
he's taking Phoebe's a grandmother's cab,right, and he's trying to decide to
take like the northern route of thesouthern route, and she goes through this
Q and A with him. Shegoes, you got to answer without thinking,
answer without thinking, and she goesyes no the list or that yes
no, no, no thinking,And so she takes him through that,
and then she goes north and southand he goes, okay, south or
north. I can't remember what hesays, but that's exactly the way intuitive

(01:29:45):
decisions come up, the right ones, you know how They also tell you
your first instincts always the right onebecause it's so quick, it's right there,
it's before your mind. Can thinkabout it right, because then you
think you have that instinct and thenyou're like, oh wait, like what
about this, what about that?What about that? And then you do
that and then you say, Okay, now I have to make a decision,

(01:30:06):
but your body already told you thedecision because the instincts so quick,
it's usually that first thing that comesthrough. So you're trying to make a
decision. I would play the Friendsgame with like Phoebe's game, feel like
yes or no really really quickly withoutthinking, because sometimes you'll get the right
answer, you know. Like Ithink she did that with h Ross.

(01:30:30):
Was she was mad at Ross aboutsomething and she's like asking and he's asking
her all these questions. She's like, oh, yeah, we were fishing
ice fishing somewhere. He's like,I've never done that with you. Phoebe.
Oh, she goes, oh,that was my dream because it wasn't
even like she knew the feeling thatcame from it, but she didn't know
where it came from. So thatthat quiz game like kind of pointed it

(01:30:55):
out. It's kind of a funthing to do if you're trying to make
a really difficult decision. Sometime timeslike play that game, make it fun.
You know, I think we havevery serious about some of our decision
making. We don't make it froma light hearted place, and that also
plays into it. You know,there's like, I don't know how many
humans actually know the feeling of peace. Okay, we all pray for peace

(01:31:18):
on Earth, miss universe is alwayslike right, so, but like,
how many of us actually know thatfeeling? And I and I believe that
in addition to the poison and toxinsthat are in our brains, this like
adrenaline and fear also gets in theway of our ability to make good decisions
and intuitive ones. I want toalso just say, like Lisa Kudrou,

(01:31:41):
Phoebe, I can my intuitions aretelling me that she's your favorite character.
She's she's one of my favorite.I think her and Matt LeBlanc. Yeah,
oh yeah, Joey my favorite characters. They were both very intuitive characters.
Yeah they were. They played thesevery interesting roles going yeah, going

(01:32:05):
by their feelings a lot more.I found it very interesting when whenever Phoebe
and Ross got into it as well, like about science and evolution, and
it's just like you don't believe thatshould never you know, it was just
so interesting to me that they wrotethat into the show. It's also interesting
because the year that I was atNBC was their last season and I got

(01:32:26):
to meet them all Oh wow,yeah, it was my favorite show ever
and it and it was just itwas just like a full circle moment for
me. And even talking about them, because always say to people and my
friends who love friends, know thatyou can refer to friends or just about
any life situation. So so it'sonly fitting that I brought friends into this

(01:32:47):
conversation as well, because it justit just there are just so many examples
of that, and you know,meeting them was was so fun. I
mean it was it was definitely ahighlight moment of my life. Well,
I think that speaks to the successof the show is that it's because what
the writers did and the actors wereable to obviously portray, is that connection

(01:33:08):
to the human, to the humanjourney, right, is that they brought
this ensemble cast and each one ofthem played a role that connected with the
human journey in different ways of mebeing able to say Phoebe and Joey for
you, whereas Ross might be mywife because she's analytical right, So you
know, it's I think that that'swhy when we see these these great shows

(01:33:31):
or these shows become great shows andbecome successful, it goes back to what
you were saying of like playing intothose intuitions and having that human connection with
with a variety of people. Andwe see this in so many different places.
I am happy you brought up friends. That was a fun little throwback
here. I'm like, I couldsee Phoebe in the car doing that.

(01:33:53):
I also just want to add toyour intuition there of that game Mel robbinsonce
you mentioned you love her in thisIn this podcast series that I was listening
to, she she talks about intuition, and she says very similar game of
like all right, you know youwant to do something right, but you're
deciding between one or two things,call a friend and ask them, you
know, ask them the three thingsthat you're deciding between, and immediately one

(01:34:15):
of the things is going to popup in your head that you're hoping that
they're going to want, that they'rehoping that they're going to pick for you.
That's your intuition. Yeah, that'sanother way to do it, and
also another, yet another way isto talk about something completely different, like
is your name Michael? Yeah?Is your do you have like dark hair?
Yeah? Do you have like youknow, are you seven footall?

(01:34:36):
No? Like you know, youdo these obvious questions, you like really
quick answers, and then you gofor the question that's the real decision to
make, and then that's the truththat pops out right there is often like
the right one. I love itthinking about it. Yeah, I love
it. I love that game becausewhat you were making me think about when
you were talking earlier that I thatI wanted to bring up was the flow

(01:34:56):
state that game that you just saidjust there is, like that's getting you
into an instant flow state. Yeahexactly. I mean, and children are
naturally there, right, So Iknow my my, my younger ones have
no problem, you know, beingreally upfront about their answers to they without
worry of who's going to get offendedor who are other people going to say?

(01:35:17):
I mean, I have a onekid who's just completely like tells it
like it is right, and she'salways in that flow state, and you
notice it in her, like whatdo you want to do here? She
goes, oh this that whatever doyou want to play it? Nope,
Are you sure? Nope, I'mlike, okay, Like it's so clear,
right, If only we could allbe that clear about our lives and

(01:35:38):
our decisions, I feel like wewould make better decisions. We would be
clear. And it affects every placeof our life, not just help health.
It's just it's the most important onein my opinion. But relationships,
which I think is the next importantone, the biggest, The biggest thing
we relate with every single day arepeople mm hmm in every every way,

(01:36:02):
shape and form, unless you're acomplete hermit, but even then you have
to relate somehow in a little bit, right. So our intuition with people
is is the next place where youcan kind of open up and feel and
and understand what they're saying or connectwith them. It's that that to me

(01:36:23):
is just priceless. Is this humanconnection which in the pandemic was so like
cut like a knife, right,couldn't. People had a hard time because
human connection got cut off in somany ways. And I feel like we
collectively carry that trauma of that happeningto us. That that's an interesting one

(01:36:45):
for me. I don't know whathow to maybe describe my feelings on it,
but and I wonder if it hasto do with what we were talking
about earlier about adapting to zoom andadapting to new environments and being open to
adapting and the way that you andI connect with people. I didn't feel
that lack of connection. And Ifeel weird saying that. Typically when people

(01:37:08):
talk about it, I don't feelweird saying it to you because I feel
like you might have maybe an answerfor me, or maybe felt the same
way. But a lot of timeswhen people talk about the pandemic and this
lack of connection and humanity and everything, I understand what they're talking about.
Like I'm not discrediting it at all. It certainly was there, but I
also right, In fact, Ifelt even more connected. That's when I

(01:37:32):
started my Instagram lives and I wasinterviewing people. That's like the start of
my original podcast, The Shining Light, which was on Instagram, and I
connected with people more via live videolike this than I had ever done in

(01:37:53):
the past. And things were differentbecause I was big in the networking community
and I wasn't showing up to eventsanymore because obviously they were canceled, but
I was still connecting with people andI felt like I was more of like
a listener to them than I wasthe one saying like, oh my goodness,
why can't I do this? SoI'm interested in your thoughts on that,
on maybe your analysis on me onthis of like, you know,

(01:38:16):
I'm not a psychopath. But Ididn't feel the same way. Yeah,
I didn't either. I mean,you know, I'm like you. We're
similar in this regard, Like Ican connect with people very much from anywhere,
So I realized if I can doit on the phone, and I
didn't meet a lot of people anywaybecause my work is so busy all day

(01:38:38):
long, I'm literally talking to peopleall over the world, you know,
helping them day in, day out, and so yeah, while I do
have certain groups of friends or myvery very close friends that I meet regularly,
there wasn't like I'm not like outthere meeting people except for the kids
stuff, right, taking kids hereand taking kids wherever I have to go.

(01:38:58):
So I anyway, I was connectingwith people on the phone, and
then I started doing more on Zoomand connecting more with them, So I
didn't really feel this lack of connection. But because being intuitive and working with
people with the issues they were facing. So many people felt this lack.
Yes, and I would say thatbecause people connect in different ways, right,

(01:39:20):
some people it just wasn't working forthem through zoom. So many people
were like, I can't do zoom. I'm sick of zoom. I've tried
zoom. I can't connect. It'snot what I want. I wanted to
be able to hug a friend.And you know that speaks to I think
the majority of you know people area meeting of a physical connection. Yeah,

(01:39:43):
and I want to make a noteof that for everybody listening. And
most people who know me know I'mmarried and have two daughters, and so
I wasn't alone, and so Icertainly understand the difference there in that it
gave me more time to connect withmy wife, more time to connect with
my children, which I think Ireally we still talk about my wife and
I to to this day. Wewe cherish those moments of lockdown where we

(01:40:08):
were with them all the time.We we had to experience kindergarten with my
daughter. Yeah, yeah, samewe we Actually, the pandemic for me
brought a level of relief. Ihate to say it to I don't want
to trigger anyone I'm not invalidating anybody'sexperiences listening, but for me, it
brought an incredible sense of relief thatI could just be with my family.

(01:40:34):
It was, I don't know whatit was. It just felt like more
connection, and it's correct, moreconnection with my with my husband, more
connection with my three children. Wewere we had to work out, you
know, all of our household choresin a different way because we're all hole
now and in each other's space allthe time. So it was it was

(01:40:54):
really interesting that we had to workthat out and we had to work out
like we had to work out alot of things in our home, and
I felt like it brought us closertogether. And I know that I imagine.
I imagine that if I had beenalone with nobody in my space,
maybe I would have felt it aswell as lack of connection. But also

(01:41:15):
I speak to people all day long, so I maybe wouldn't have felt it
because I was getting that connection timewith people even though their clients, and
that personal connection. I'm supporting others, but it sort of was giving me
connection right I run Actually, themembership community we run is started in twenty

(01:41:35):
twenty, and it was interesting becausewe were able to carry hundreds of people
part of the community who were justlike every time we have calls, people
would just got two hundred, threehundred people showing up and one call and
they're like, oh my god,thank you because this is like my one
place of connection that I can findmy people. I can connect with others
who don't think I'm crazy for feelingthe way I do, and there's no

(01:41:58):
judgment here and we can talk toeach other. And so you know,
it was sort of like wow,like I had no idea that this would
be that place for people to comeand connect and how important community was,
how important it was to find peoplewho thought the same way as you,
because obviously in the pandemic, werealized there's many different ways of thinking about

(01:42:19):
the same events that were happening toall of us, right, so it
was important to find connection, rightAnd I really, I really believe that
most of us, I mean children, Like, if you look at children,
I think they give us a senseof what humans are really meant to
be like. And children don't dowell on zoom, right. They need

(01:42:40):
physical connection, they need physical touch, and I think that most adults do
too, And that's what that's whatgot cut off a lot for people,
and you know, you get asense of people people trust physical connection more
than they trust soon for technology,because this is new. Physical connection has

(01:43:00):
been there from the beginning of time, right. Yeah, Yeah, it's
I'm glad that we talked about thisbecause it was something that it is something
that I think it's crazy, right, I mean, like it happened and
it impacts us today. Still whathappened there? What I want to also
put a make sure that that youknow, I want to highlight here and

(01:43:23):
what you said and everything that yousaid. There's this common theme of connection
that you keep talking about. Werelate it to intuitions, we relate it
to health, and we related toright now and when we're talking about the
pandemic in connection, in human connectionand how important, how vital that is.
And I think in what we're talkingabout in your experience, in my

(01:43:44):
experience, I want to say,in contrast to others experience, is that
we've always found different ways to connectwith others, whether through the physical touch
or through phone and through zoom andeverything. And so what I think,
what I what I draw from thisas a learning is that to always continue
connecting in different ways and always learningnew ways to connect with others so that

(01:44:09):
when you don't when if God forbid, a pandemic happens again, But forget
about a pandemic, right because weknow that that's more unlikely now to some
extent. God. I don't wantto speak this way anyway, but what
I'm trying to say is that whatis likely is that you're going to be
distant from family. They're going totravel, they're going to go far away.
You're gonna travel, you're gonna move, You're going to be distant.

(01:44:30):
But if you always keep open linesof communication via phone, social media,
zoom and everything and are and becomemore accustomed to doing it, doing it
more often with others, then youcan bring in that connection in other ways.
If you're zooming with friends and yourparents or your siblings or your lovers
or whoever that are very close movefar away, but you're so used to

(01:44:54):
zooming, then when you connect withthat loved one from far away, it's
going to feel like what we weretalking about earlier on where you'll have that
pattern recognition, that intuition will startpopping back in and you're going to be
able to connect with them better soI really picked that up from this conversation,
and I love where we kind ofwent there. It was like wow,
a little healing there for me oflike, wow, I could speak

(01:45:15):
about this, I can speak freelyabout this. Feels good again. You
have so many things going on onyour website. There's so much that I
would love to get into with you. But one of the things that popped
out for me was your secret healingrecipe. Not that I'm asking you to
share your secret, but I amvery curious as to what it is,
how it's helped so many people,and kind of like, what was the

(01:45:38):
whole start of this? The impetusof this recipe in the Secret Healing Recipe
is actually quite simple. It's compassionand listening. The most powerful thing we
can do for any other human isto witness them, listen with an open

(01:45:59):
apart and offer compassion for whatever theirchallenge or experiences. And Anthony William actually
says that compassion is the biggest healer, The most powerful healer there is is
compassion beyond food and supplements, whichare still important. But when you have

(01:46:21):
compassion, when you offer somebody compassion, when you can listen to them,
hear their story, meet them wherethey are. It is healing. Think
about when you've been able to shareyourself, like the most vulnerable parts of
yourself with another human. How healingis that To be able to be witnessed

(01:46:44):
in that vulnerability, To be ableto witness when you're down in your dark
moments and you have a person thatyou can speak to in that moment who
really understands his compassion is the understandingof suffering. That's the secret. Well,
that's very deep, and I lovethat, and I am very proud

(01:47:06):
to say in this moment right nowthat you're bringing up in that the company
that I founded on the heels ofthe pandemic in twenty twenty one, which
is Done ten Insurance, one ofour core values is compassion. I love
that our core values compassion to It'sour number one. Yeah. Yeah,

(01:47:28):
it's so powerful to acknowledge that,even in a business sense, because I
believe in heart centered businesses. Ibelieve that our businesses represent who we are,
and we can marry up these theseideals in a way to bring them
to reality, to practicality in frontof people and bring them to people,

(01:47:50):
and we can have compassion oods throughevery everything that we do, every action
we take, every person we speakto, every person we connect with,
everyone who interacts with our business,we want to be compassionate with them.
And that's that's not just in ahealing session, but that's in everything that

(01:48:10):
we do. And so understanding suffering, I think is what every human needs,
and every human needs to be seen, to be witnessed, to be
heard, to be understood. It'slike a it's a core human need and

(01:48:30):
it shows up in different ways.And I think that that's where it came
up for us and our business waswe're very focused on giving back and donating,
but then there's all these other things. And actually, Katie, I
have to give her credit for thisfrom our marketing, was the one who
came up with the word compassion forus. And it's interesting because when I

(01:48:50):
describe our core values to my teamand to others, it does show up
in different ways, like it justshows up in all these different ways.
And so I that you said thattoo, and I was just thinking about
it, like being seen and beingheard, and you say out of suffering,
and I want to make sure thatwe understand that like suffering can just
be being sad, it doesn't meandevastated. Right, it could just be

(01:49:13):
like I just feel sad and Ijust I just experienced this with my wife
yesterday. Actually, she's going throughthings at work and then she was a
little overwhelmed about some of the thingsthat we have to do this weekend.
And she's a very internal and putsa lot on her shoulders kind of person
and internalizes, and she's she walkedinto the kitchen and I just see her

(01:49:34):
bursts into tears. And for somereason this time, my intuition came in
and said, Michael, don't speak, because that's usually my first step.
I said, don't speak, justgo because I didn't do anything right,
So I didn't speak. I justwent over and I hugged her, and
she cried on my shoulder for likemaybe another thirty seconds or whatever, and
then she just stopped and I said, do you have anything that you want

(01:49:57):
to say or anything? Is theresomething going on that you want to tell
me? And she goes, no, I'm good. I was like,
oh cool, you know, wow, that's right. That's compassion. Listening.
You listen, you witness and sometimesactually a lot of the time women
especially just want that they just youknow, you're taking me a long time

(01:50:20):
to learn, by the way ittakes, because men's brains are wired differently
than women's brains, and men's brainsare wired to fix things, right,
yes, and it's not a badthing, Like, we love that your
brains are wired to fix things,but sometimes we don't need fixing. It's
just just just listen. So Ihave a teacher who taught me this one

(01:50:41):
time, and she said, whenyou're speaking to your guy, your man,
tell him how you want him tolisten. Do you want his help
to fix the problem. And ifyou don't, tell him, just hold
the bucket while I verbally vomit outeverything and then you take the bucket and
you dump it away and you don'thave to do anything about it. And
I remember when the first time Itold my husband this, he goes,

(01:51:03):
oh, is that what you wantwhen you're in this state? I'm like,
oh, my god, if youcould just listen and say I'm here
for you, that's and he goes, oh, I don't need to fix
the problem, Like yeah, andhe goes, oh, that takes the
pressure off. That's actually so mucheasier. So I now just tell him.
I'm like, can you just holda bucket because I'm ready to vomit

(01:51:23):
out like a whole bunch of stuff. And that is that's compassion, you
know, because you're being there andwitnessing that person in their kind of dark
moment, right or their their difficultmoment. Yeah, and like yeah,
and like I was saying, noteven that big of a deal. It
was just a little overwhelmed, butlike, yeah, that's what it is.
But for women, it is.Many women are overwhelmed all the time,

(01:51:46):
including myself. I go through ita lot, you know, I
have to do I take a lotof practice to to bring myself to center.
I'm good at that, something I'vedone a lot of in my life.
But I women do tend to getoverwhelmed and it brings up the tears.
It's like, how am I goingto get that? It just feels
really big in the moment, andthen if you can be witnessed and a

(01:52:06):
little tenderness can go a long way. Michael, as you learn well to
all my guys out there, we'relearning together. And it was funny too,
like saying it now, because inthe moment, while I was hugging
her, I was just like,oh, this is one of the moments
that like, you know, youknow when you like do something wrong in

(01:52:27):
one of those moments where you like, maybe I would have tried to fix
it, or I would have talkedtoo much, which happens most of the
time, right, and you're like, next time, next time. And
I was hugging her, and Iwas like staring out my window and I
was just like, this is thenext time. I was so happy.
I was like, this is thenext time. You're doing it. You're
doing it. You're just here forher, Like I literally was in that
moment feeling it was wild. Yeah, No, it's you know, it's

(01:52:50):
and it's so many different ways thatwe can be compassionate, right Like even
like sometimes we'll get emails, longemails from people and they're not ready to
work with us, or you know, there's no other way for us to
help them, just to kind wordback and say thank you for sharing your
story. I'm so sorry that youstruggling in this way, and we're here
for you if you ever need anysupport, or you know, we actually

(01:53:14):
speaking of you know, you weretalking about speaking of charity and things like
that we have in our membership community. We started a scholarship program so we
were able to offer people either completelyyou know, free to join, or
discounts to join because they're you know, because when people are sick, they're
not able to work, they're outof they don't have an income, or

(01:53:36):
they're struggling with their income. Andyou know, we never I never wanted
healing to be available only if youcan afford it. Unfortunately, the way
the models are set up in theworld today, you have to be able
to pay for stuff. And somy biggest goal is to like, how
do I make this available for whoevercan pay, you know, whatever they

(01:53:57):
want to pay, they can comein and do that. That's my that's
my vision, Like that's my biggoal in life. If I can do
that, I think I can diepeacefully. You know. I just want
to be able to have as manypeople receive help, because again there's that
I think if you cannot pay fora service, it's it's a little bit
you know, you feel financially discriminatedagainst. You're like I have the right

(01:54:18):
to heal and that I kind ofafford this or I kind of afford that,
and it feels really hard. Soagain, a compassionate always right.
It's any sphere, in any waythat a person is suffering, to be
able to offer them that support,offer them love, offer them a kind
word, even a smile. Right, So in Islam there's a there's a

(01:54:40):
saying of the prophet Muhammad, peaceto be upon him. He says that
even a smile is charitable. Whatit could do for someone? Yeah,
that warm like you said, thatwarm face, that smile goes the wrong
way. This has been wonderful.Like I said earlier, I felt like
I went through a little bit ofa healing there of you witnessing me and
and me being able to share somesome vulnerability with you. So I really

(01:55:03):
appreciate that. And uh, thishas been really really just a I knew
it from the beginning. As soonas an intuitive medicine woman. I was
like, oh man, we're gonnahave some fun here, Like this is
my jam. This is like alittle little quick quick promise, like thirty
second quick story. A friend.So my daughter's best friend, her mom.

(01:55:25):
Right, we Uh, I wasbringing my daughter over there for like
a like it was quick. Itwas during this it was during a snowstorm.
It was just like I forgot whatwe had to do with drop her
off or something, drop something offwhatever, and it was like late at
night. So anyway, so herhusband was plowing and he goes out and
goes to do plowing, and meand her mom ended up talking all about

(01:55:46):
the universe and God and intuitiveness andand these sensations and ghosts and all this
like external universe and all this outerbody type of stuff. We were we
we ended up talking to like onein the morning, and we we're best
friends now to this day, likewe had the friendship had first started there,
and her husband always comes back andjust like I can't believe, like

(01:56:09):
you guys stayed up that long talkingand about like what what were you guys?
And nobody understands but me and herunderstand were They're like how could you
talk about it for like four hoursfive hours straight? And I'm like I
can get on it. Like Ilove this kind of talk, like this
is like this is my oh metoo. I mean, like I said,

(01:56:29):
it doesn't take a lot from meif you invite me to talk about
this time, I'm there right,Yeah, Well I've loved I loved having
you on, and I want everybodyto know, of course, all of
your ways of communicating and contacting youwill be in the show notes unless you
can pick up her intuitions. Butall joking aside, could you just share
for our audio listeners any handles,websites, ways that people can connect with

(01:56:53):
you. Sure. My website iswww dot Muniza. I've had my name,
it's ems and Mary you and isAnn c e z a Z's and
zebra a and then ah emas andmary e is and edward's and David
Menissa ahma dot com. And onInstagram you'll find me under Menisa Underscore Intuitive

(01:57:15):
and I've forgotten my handle, youknow what it's so it's so hard sometimes
that's so it's Nisa Underscore Medical UnderscoreIntuitive and on you can find me the
same on YouTube, same on TikTok, same on Twitter and Facebook is health
dot with dot mensa. Thank youawesome, And of course that'll all be

(01:57:38):
in the show notes, so ifyou're just listening, you don't have to
spell it all out. You'll findit all. But just so you know,
yeah, it's it's all there.Thank you so much for coming on.
This has been really really awesome.Thank you so much, Michael.
I really enjoyed this interview. It'sone of my favorites. Ever, so
I appreciate the space and the timethat you gave it, and I really
really am honored to be here.Cool cool, Well, thanks again for

(01:57:59):
coming on. Thank you for listeningto The Michael Esposito Show. For show
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This episode was produced by Uncle Mikeat the iHeart Studios in Poughkeepsie.
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