The Power of Connection with Sabine Kvenberg

Have you ever wondered what might happen if you truly followed your passion?The idea of chasing your dreams isn’t new—it’s been done by countless people throughout history. Yet, so many of us hold back, sticking to the familiar and letting those dreams simmer on the back burner.But what if you took that leap? The results just might surprise you.Take Sabine, who once had a stable corporate career, but deep down, her soul craved more, so with boldness and authenticity, she left it all behind to embrace her true calling—acting, music, and storytelling.And what happened next? Magic. Sabine Kvenberg created a thriving performing arts school, inspired countless students, and now dedicates her life to empowering entrepreneurs to find their voice and step confidently into the spotlight.Her journey proves that when you follow your heart, incredible possibilities unfold. You not only change your own life but also uplift those around you.So, what’s stopping you? Your passion is waiting, and the world is ready for your story. Take the leap—you just might inspire someone else to do the same. 
Get to know more about Sabine Kvenberg and the amazing work that she do by following her social media account; @sabinekvernberg on instagram.
To learn more about myself, Michael Esposito, and find out about public speaking workshops, coaching, and keynote speaking options, and - of course - to be inspired, visit www.michaelespositoinc.com
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(00:21):
Hello all, my entrepreneurs and business leaders, and welcome to
the Michael Esposito Show, where I interview titans of industry
in order to inform, educate, and inspire you to be great.
My guest today helps entrepreneurs to reach their next level
of success. With decades of experience working with people from
all walks of life to overcome their fear of public speaking,

(00:45):
she is now helping entrepreneurs to put their businesses into
the spotlight. She teaches new AI technology to help her
clients bridge the gap between overwhelm and accomplishments. She is
a beautiful storyteller, singer, songwriter, and dynamic speaker who uses

(01:07):
her experience as an actress to convey a topic to
the audience in a fun and entertaining way. With her
inspirational stories and original music, she teaches others how to
take charge of their lives. She's also an author and
has a book coming out. We'll speak more about that
on the podcast. Please welcome Savine to the show. Welcome

(01:30):
to the show, Savine.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you, Michael. I'm excited to be here and have
this conversation with you.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Oh my goodness. So first, I just need to get
to your last name because I was not going to
attempt that after my third try of introducing you. Please
share your full name with us.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Just sneezekeven Berg.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Keven Berg. Okay, I guess just these Covenberg.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
When reading your bio, it's incredible for me because I'm like,
this is us, Like we spoke on the phone or earlier,
and I just said, I know we're going to have
an amazing conversation because we have so much in common
from the public speaking, the acting, and of course toast masters.
You're a DTM and I'm a toast master now long

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time for about seven years, eight years now.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
It's just it's changed my life.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
And then the way that you bring acting into your
public speaking is something I speak about in my personal
story when I'm giving trainings on public speaking. So I
would love to hear your take on it all. Now,
if people go to your website, they'll see some pretty
cool pictures of you in your youth, glowing with a
guitar in front of you and singing. So I would

(02:42):
love if perhaps you could take us back to those
memories and those stories of when you were singing and
how you came up in the world of public speaking
and getting in front of people.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
It's a loaded question. Well it all be again when
I really discovered that I was unhappy with the traditional ways,
and that was, of course, when I was a youngster.
I was listening to the well meant advice of my

(03:15):
dad who said, Sabina, fight a shot with benefits and
a good salary so you can pay your bills and
have something left over to pursue your hobbies. And by
that he meant my singing and acting. I did, and
believe it or not, I went the business route and
I ended up working as a claim adjuster for an

(03:37):
insurance company. And knowing me now a little bit, this
was not me. I was totally unhappy and one of
those times, and this is one of the things I
discovered throughout my life. Actually, when you find yourself in
a situation where you're absolutely unhappy, your souls starts to

(04:00):
talk to you. And so it was one day, I
was staring out of the window, unhappy, and I was thinking,
this cannot be it. What is mine to do? Ask
and you shall receive. Right that same week, I had
a chance meeting. I bumped into my former drama music
teacher on my way home and we had a very

(04:24):
loose conversation, and then he asked me, Sabina, are you
still active with your singing group, with your duo or
with your acting And then my answer was no. And Michael,
he said one thing, very no chalance that literally changed
my life. He said, what is Shane Sabina? You are

(04:48):
so talented and somebody else has to tell you that sometimes.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
Right?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
So I thought he was right. I went home, I
opened of the Yellow pages and yes, it dates me
a little bit. Back in those days we have to
do that, and looked for acting schools. I scheduled an audition,
had no idea how, but I did it anyways. I

(05:14):
had no idea how to audition, but I did it anyways.
I got in and the rest is history. That's how
I literally started my career as an actress and musical
theater performer.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I'd like to ask you the question about talent and
because you know we're gonna that's you're kind of your springboard,
that being the actress and musical performer. When he said,
you're so talented, I'd like you to define talented in
your eyes. And the reason why I asked this question
is because we have many gifts. We're all gifted at something.

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But for this teacher to say that to you, of like,
you know, what a shame? You're so talented? What does
that mean to you? And how do you define talent?

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I'm so glad that you asked that question because mostly
people don't have never asked me that question. So I'm
glad because we all have talent, as you said, but
talent is not everything, which I later discovered which actually
led me to write my first book, Secrets and How

(06:23):
to Succeed in Showbiz. So going back to what my
teacher meant, I think he saw me. He saw that
vibrant girl that I always was and always full out
and being there, not asking any questions, and of course
he knew me how I was singing and performing. That

(06:47):
is talent and the next step what I shared with you,
I had no idea how to get started, but one
thing that I had was the passion and the drive
to figure it out. And that brings me back to

(07:08):
talent alone is not enough. You have to have the
deep desire. It's more of a soul calling. How I
could say the best way that lets you do the
things even when they get hard, and that is the difference,

(07:30):
and that divides people who are successful and those who
are not, maybe even if they are equally talented.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
M Yeah, I like how you define that with the
passion and the drive and with what you're saying about
being talented, because.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
The question I.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Think always comes up when when when we're sitting around
the date the table, why didn't I think of that?
Or why hasn't somebody done that? Or why isn't that
being done yet? Or why hasn't that been invented? Or
why don't we start this business? Or they have this
great creative idea. And it's not that you don't have
the right tools or the right people around you to
be able to see these projects or ideas through. It's

(08:12):
you probably don't have the driver or the passion to
really push through the hard times of it all because
on the surface, it all looks easy and it all
looks fun, and it probably is at the beginning, But then,
as I'm sure you'll share with us in your acting journey,
from the surface, it's fun, it's enjoyable, it's part of

(08:33):
our talent, it's part of our gift. And then you
start learning, well, I have to memorize these lines and
I have to be ready for a show tomorrow. And
you did this for ten years. Could you share with
us a little bit more about this or expand on
this idea of talent being a wonderful gift and something
that you might be passionate about and that you might

(08:54):
have the drive to work through and how there are
many challenges along the way and how do you overcome those?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah, there are definitely a lot of challenges, and the
biggest challenge for US performers is rejection and deal with
rejection because there first of all, a lot of actors
out there, and especially women for smaller amount of roles

(09:24):
available versus men. As just what it is on if
you see all those traditional pieces, but what you said
is so important. If your heart is not one hundred
percent there, if you are not having that desire, then

(09:47):
when it gets hard, you will back up. And I
can tell you that for sure, because there was another
time in my life where I was already in business,
I already lived in the United States, where I started
to think, oh, I should do this quote unquote real

(10:09):
estate stuff, right, and yeah, you can relate to it
because that's your wheelhouse there. And I was listening to guys,
Oh you should do this, this is so easy. And
I owned real estate where I had my studio, but
it was more of a practical thing, right, and a
little bit smart. But then going out to investing into

(10:33):
real estate property and finding property to sell those and
stuff like that, and I actually bought into a program.
I invested quite a bit of money, a lot of money,
and I got everything ready. But then the hard work started,

(10:57):
right that that work where you actually had to go
and talk to people about that subject. And I realized,
oh wow, I really can't do that. My heart is
not in there. And I had to make a tough decision.
I didn't make a dime in that business. I didn't
sell one property. Then I lost forty thousand dollars, right,

(11:21):
but I had to cut my losses. At one point
had to say, you know what, this is not me,
This is not me. I cannot do this. I felt terrible,
actually inside of me, and when I let go of that,
it was freeing, even though I had some losses there,

(11:41):
but that doesn't matter. At the end. Money is not
a driving factor, at least not for me, and that
it wasn't when I started my acting career. The matter
of the fact is people told me don't do it, Zavena.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
You you.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
Become a star being mictor.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Right.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
But here's the funny thing, Michael. I was working two
years as a stage actress and then I landed a
role on TV and we only filmed for six weeks
over the summer, but during that time I met more
money than working the entire year as a claim adjuster.
You know, when you do something that is fun and

(12:24):
you enjoy and you work for it and you learn
the skills and keep working, the money will follow. Does
that make sense to answer your question.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, And we're going to expand on that of following
your passion. We're definitely gonna speak about that. And I
can feel that for you as a coach, that you
are of helping people with that of when you're living
inside of your passion, that's where the money will follow.
I just want to take a step back here in
this forty thousand dollars loss, because again, many of those

(12:57):
listening right now are entreprenewers, are working in businesses right now,
and a forty thousand dollars loss can either offset their
entire budget their goal, and they can lose their job,
or they can lose their company if they if they're
a startup or a new entrepreneur.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
And so this is a big loss.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
And then of course from just a personal standpoint, a
personal finance standpoint, again another major loss in the home.
If you're forty thousand dollars in debt, it's going to
you're not going to be able to take trips or
buy certain things that you'd like to take. So this
is a significant loss that can affect anybody listening in
a number of ways. And so I want to kind

(13:38):
of just go there for a moment in some of
the thoughts that you had while experiencing it, the feelings
that you might have had while experiencing it, and also
what you did to get yourself out of that mental state.
I understand that through acting and through your you know,
finding your passion, you were able to help yourself financially.

(14:00):
But that mental state, that drama that we put ourselves
through mentally of putting so much value on money and goals.
How were you able to climb out of that?

Speaker 2 (14:12):
I would lie if I would say I didn't care. No.
I mean, when you invest some of money and you
didn't take advantage of everything that was presented to you,
it hurts. And sometimes we even try to blame others

(14:38):
for it, because that's kind of the human way of
making sense of it. So I had to really dig
deep and say, look it, nobody's fault. You did it
for many different reasons. One reason too, was I thought

(15:02):
I did it for another person or also for the
other person that would help the other person, and you
never should make decisions for another person, only for yourself.
And then I just had to deal with that one
step at a time and letting go. And sometimes it's

(15:23):
easy to say, oh, just let go of it. It's
a process. It's a process that takes work and time
of letting go and then also being open to the
new thing, because when you release something, and that's oftentime.
When I worked with my clients, there's so much baggage

(15:44):
or so many things that are holding onto that doesn't
serve them any longer. Like I did it didn't serve
me any longer, and I had to make a tough
decision to release it, to release it and also telling
myself it's okay. This was your learning experience, that was

(16:06):
your investment in life's university, how I say it, and
it'll come back to you in many different ways, and
when you let go of that, it sure does. Now
I was open to do the other things I wanted
to do.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
So you mentioned part of the things that you did
was some of the feelings that your experience.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Were blame.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And will regret and you were really feeling this and
it was very painful in all of this. I like
your take on this in terms of being open to
new things, and the first step in being open to
new things, as you mentioned here, is to take accountability
for it all. Yes, I think that that's one of
the if anybody's listening, the most important thing to take

(16:56):
really from everything that we discuss, ever, is self accountability.
I've experienced financial hardship, I experience a lot of other
hardship as a business owner, and I think that when
we start removing the blame from others and we start
taking accountability for the decisions that we make, it makes

(17:18):
what you're what we're going to speak about next. The
process of letting it go a lot easier. It's it's
not to say that other people don't have some sort
of accountability in maybe the downfall of some sort of
plan or idea. You can give them the accountability, you
could acknowledge it. But when you take it full accountability

(17:38):
for your actions and your decision in it all. And
I'm hoping we can speak on this a little bit
more freely. I feel like the pain and the hurt
and the regret kind of dissipates when you take full accountability,
because then you kind of look back at your thought
process and you go, you know, why did I make
this decision? And it was because of X Y and Z? Okay, Well,

(18:00):
x Y and Z made sense at the time.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
X Y and Z was perfect at the time, right.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
Like the real estate market was perfect at the time,
the insurance market was perfect at the time. Whatever it
is that you were diving into, right, it was perfect
at the time. So X Y and Z made sense.
But for whatever reason, it didn't work out right.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
And the thing is, when we take full responsibility for
the circumstances that we put ourselves in and sometimes of
course they're outside circumstances that contribute to that, but we
don't have control over those, but we always have control

(18:41):
over our response. And when we take one hundred percent
responsibility and don't blame it on anybody else, guess what,
the power goes back to us and we can fix it.
And that is once you realize that, while that is liberating,

(19:01):
that really is. And that was for me. Now from
now on, sometimes yeah, does thought of well if this
would have been or if he or she, I stop
myself immediately and say, Okay, it was not ought to
be this way. Now let's move forward into a different direction.

(19:23):
And that has served me so.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
Well and.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
And I believe, and I'd love for you to expand
on this too, because I know it's true for me.
The it's almost like the deeper the pain, the deeper
the regret, the deeper the loss or or mistake, like
the bigger, the greater the mistake and all of those
things I just mentioned.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
The greater the learning from it.

Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's it's the learning that comes out of it is tenfold, right.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yes, yes, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more.
And to build on that a little bit is to
just give us a perspective of what is money really
in relation to your life experience. As you just mentioned, Yeah,

(20:19):
we learned from it. But there's another thing, and yeah,
a lot of entrepreneurs listening here, right. And I'm always
very open and transparent with my life. I have nothing
to hide. And so there was also one time in
my life that that was a different incident where I

(20:44):
was already I have had my business, my performing art school,
but there was again we are in transition. I was
not focusing on the why I started this to begin with.
I was focusing Okay, now I put on my entrepreneur,

(21:07):
my business owner hat, and what do you do next?
And you expand and you expand to another location. And
I was a little bit disconnected from the business of
teaching and coaching, which is my passion as you knowed

(21:28):
it before, to the business operation that yeah, it was okay,
but it was not really my passion. And then I
did a couple not so good things and mistakes. And
again it was at the height of the real estate market.
And then I found myself in a situation where all

(21:52):
of a sudden we wanted to sell our business. Everything
was ready, we wanted to do it cross country trip
our RV and so we had someone who was supposed
to buy the studio and the last minute it fell

(22:15):
through a lot of mistakes on my side. As you said,
we learned from it, but the downside was I had
to step back and everything at the House of Cards
fell apart. It was all in the same time when
the real estate market fell and the second location was

(22:35):
not ready yet. I mean, it was just a big mess,
and we had to actually say, you know, we have
to we have to go to the bankruptcy route. We
cannot sustain that, and we had to do a certain chapter.
We still had our business, but we had to let
go of stuff, and that was another very painful experience.

(23:01):
I was even more painful, I can tell you that.
But what came out of it and why I'm sharing
that was, yes, we had to let go off our
lake house we had because I was so so I say,
in princely stupid, because I wasn't smart enough yet to

(23:22):
make sure that all my assets are you know, separate.
So yes, that's right anyways, But what I was saying,
what I wanted to say with that, all of that
led us to make a decision again Shall we blame
the economy, Shall we blame the person that didn't go through?

(23:45):
Shall we blame And I made a decision that point, no,
not at all. And I also made a decision to say,
you know, I wanted to step back from the studio.
I wanted to travel and we did and then I
was in Florida one day for a five k run
and it was in April. I still remember that, and

(24:07):
it was beautiful. We lived in Virginia and was still
cold there, so I was beautiful and I was sitting
down by the beach and as I thought to myself, hmm,
I don't have my house anymore. We were in a
temporary home. I couldn't go wherever I want to go.

(24:31):
And then I saw the positive. Oh my gosh, I'm free.
So that day we made the decision, let's move here.
That was Saint Augustine, Florida. The next day we looked
for for an apartment or something, and I remember my
husband and I was thinking, wouldn't it be cool to
live downtown over like in the district, over an art

(24:53):
gallery because there were so many art galleries. Right, It's
all about the vision that you have. The next day
started looking so we went and we saw a house
that didn't take dogs. We had two dogs at that time.
So then we went the next day and there was
the same person who showed us the first house, and
she said, there is an apartment a free where I live.

(25:18):
Maybe you can call the landlord. We did, so we
called the landlord. We went there. Guess where it was.
It was an apartment above an art gallery and they
took both dogs that we had. We signed the contract
and one week later we were on our way with
a U haul and our two dogs and all the

(25:39):
possession that we had. Moved to Saint Augustine. And I
tell you that year, where we had the least amount
of money, that was one of the best times of
our lives. We lived by the beach. We went there
every single day and we said, oh my god, people
pay a lot of money to vacation here. I left

(26:00):
you now, it was just liberating and beautiful.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
I can feel your energy from that time, and I
have several questions involved in it. I want to thank
you also for your sharing of what happened at the
art studio there and dealing with the bankruptcy and understanding
that bankruptcy is something that is a tool that we

(26:27):
can use. It's not a judgment on you or your business.
And I say this not just to you, but also
to everybody listening, is that I've had several bankruptcy experts
come on the show before, and what I've learned is
that bankruptcy is a tool. It's a strategy to be
used in business and in your personal finances as well,
if that's where it comes to. And it's not a

(26:47):
judgment on you. Again, we go back to the mistakes
that we might make. We make these mistakes because we're
looking for other options. We're trying to follow a passion,
and at the time, it makes sense to make these decisions,
and unfortunately, sometimes these decisions backfire on us and aren't
the right ones. In your case, as you just mentioned,
part of it was you weren't paying attention to what

(27:09):
was happening around you. You said you were expanding, but
there were certain things that you weren't paying attention to.
And so sometimes we don't have the awareness or we
don't have the clarity to be.

Speaker 3 (27:18):
Able to pay attention in the moment.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
I'm sure you thought you were paying attention, but when
you look back and reflect on it and I think
that self awareness of realizing to not place blame is
very helpful. But I just wanted to just acknowledge that
for everybody listening, is that there are different types of
bankruptcies that you can file. And there's sometimes of restructuring
or reorganizing of an organization, which it sounds like you did,
or they are a complete shutdown of the organization, but

(27:42):
all are to help benefit you in the sense of
to start over, to have a clean slate. And you know,
that's wonderful that you were able to share that with everyone.
The other thing that you mentioned in all of this,
and where I want to go with this is it's funny,
as you said we are free. I have my notes

(28:02):
here and I wrote down freedom before you said free,
as we were free, and it's this feeling of as
you mentioned with the U haul and everything, that I'm
no longer tied to this, to this anymore. I'm no
longer tied to this decision anymore. And this freedom comes

(28:24):
from the removal of judgment. You're no longer judged the decision.
It's over, it's done with, the pain is gone, and
now you can move on and be free. And so
where I want to kind of take this conversation a
little bit deeper, is in the relationship. Because you and I.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
We've just talked about that. We just spoke about decisions.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
That we've made, or that you've made in your past
of the real estate venture of the studio, and we
make these decisions. But for many out there, and yourself
included and myself included, we have spouses, we have people
that depend on us, We have people that are partners
in our business, and so therefore we have relationships with
these people. And I think something that is overlooked in

(29:05):
your conversation here with me is the relationship that you
kept at your husband, Because now you speak about being
in Florida and at the beach and you had the
time of your life and the excitement and the enjoyment,
and so I'd like to just kind of just take
that one step back before we get into the enjoyment
of it all, and just speak to us a little
bit about how you were able to your relationship was
able to sustain this hardship through the bankruptcies and through

(29:29):
the loss of financial losses.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, it's a good question, and I also want to
go about what you said the restructuring and that it's
not a way of you being seen as failure. It
is definitely a tool. And I also want to make

(29:52):
sure that everybody understands we small business owners, we entrepreneurs,
We are the bat of this country. We really built
this and we put a lot of our own money
and of our own sweat into something and sometimes it
just doesn't work out. And that's why we have those

(30:16):
tools available so we can start. And as you mentioned,
the restructuring was a big part of it because relationships.
I had teachers, I had staff that were relying on
my business. So we kept the school, we kept the
property in which the school were held, and we let

(30:37):
go of everything else. So I have that responsibility there
and we worked with the bankruptcy courts and everything is
attached to it to pay a certain amount and to
keep that business going. That helped us pay a certain
amount back to the debtors that we had in a

(30:59):
manageable way. And so everybody listening, there is a way out.
Just find the right person to talk with you. And
then the second point to your point was one. First
of all, I must say my husband and I we
are now married for thirty three years this year, we

(31:19):
are celebrating thirty three years. And we work together in
the business and we both have understandings. Everybody has their strength,
and when we went through that together, which I'm this,

(31:39):
I'm this free spirit, so okay, that's the best way
I can say that. And my husband is just the
best that can be to support that free spirit. And
it was interesting before this all started, we were I
Will had that feeling there's something more, there's something more

(31:59):
for there's something more in life. And again listening to
my soul, to that gut feeling that I had, and
I told my husband before this all started to happen, said,
you know what where we lived at that time, Fredericksburg,
that it seems to be too small for me. I
think there's something more. We had a beautiful house and

(32:23):
I loved it, but it felt almost too small. I
knew there was something else, and you see, I put
that out into the universe subconsciously, and so eventually it
came to realization that I had to let go of that.
And how did we both get through it as partners.

(32:46):
It's so important that you have to respect each other
and show love and have that love. It's work in progress,
but he here's one thing. If I can take you
back to the last day that we stayed in our home,

(33:09):
it was, of course bittersweet. We had to let go
of it and we basically sold everything because we know
we wanted to be more independent and we wanted to
move and want to get rid of stuff. But the
last day we didn't have heat anymore. It was December.

(33:29):
It was just before Christmas, December twenty third or so
twenty second, and we didn't have heat because the gas
tank ran out, and of course we didn't want to
fill it up, and we had to clean everything up
so to give the key to the bank the next day,
and the only thing that was left was a blow

(33:51):
up mattress, and that night we stayed there. We cut
it together, including all the two dogs that jumped on
and kept us warm. But you know what I wasn't. Yes,
it was painful, but at the same time, I knew
I had the most loving person in my life. I

(34:14):
had my two canine children, my two dogs, And at
that moment I thought to myself, Michael, I could sleep
under abridge and would be happy because I have loved
ones and a support system there with me. And when
I made that decision, it felt so good and I

(34:35):
was free.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
I can feel I could feel that mattress with you.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
It's incredible that thank you for sharing that with us.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
It's when you speak about love and being loved and
giving and receiving love. It's so true as we go
back to the idea of money versus life experiences, that
you could have all the money in the world, and
sure we all wish for it, like don't get us
wrong here people.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
But without love or people who love you to share.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
It with, it's meaningless. And I think we see that
with celebrities and with famous people in the world, where
they make decisions that we look at and we go,
why would they do something like that they have everything?
The truth is they don't. They don't have everything, they
don't have the love. And again, you know, I always
like to be conscious of those listening who who might

(35:32):
feel alone or might feel disconnected from family or loved ones,
and just know that all you have to do is
reach out to people in your network or even right here,
you could always reach out to me.

Speaker 3 (35:42):
I'm always happy to give some love.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Is reach out to people and let them know, be
vulnerable with them, share with them, share with them what
you're looking for and be compassionate to them. And what
you seek you will receive as long as you give
it as well. And sometimes you may not know that
people love that are people around you that love you.
All you got to do is just let them know
that you love them, and I'm sure you'll find out

(36:05):
very quickly.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, And I wanted to add to that, it's I'm
so glad that you said that because somebody said, well,
maybe I am not married, I don't have a relationship
right now, But as you said, there are people around you.
I had a very good friend who I went to
and I cried and it's okay. It's even though when
i'm sharing it now, I'm feeling good, but there were

(36:30):
moments that I had to let go and I cried,
and that's okay because that's also a way for our
body to release stress when we cry, right, it's a
release mechanism. But as you said, there are always people,
and even if it's an anomenous group you go to

(36:50):
or just go to church if that is where you
find your refuge and pray to whoever you want to
pray to. The gives you that piece. We can find
it if you look for it and if you're open
to receive.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Mm hmmmmm.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
I know from my own personal experiences. As I said earlier,
it's so true when I look at my I have
my daughters and my wife, and of course I have
an extended family of cousins, aunts and uncles and siblings
and my parents, But just looking at my family that
I see every morning, and no matter what troubles I'm

(37:28):
having throughout my day or financially or a career or business,
I just you know, it's funny you mentioned the dogs,
because I think of them like the children too, in
that they don't know what's going on and they're just happy.
You know, the blow up mattress, the whatever you have.
Like for us, it was old couches, and you know,
they're just happy. They know a little bit different, but

(37:48):
they don't care. They're just happy as long as they're
receiving love from us.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Right mm hmm. Yeah. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
You know I didn't forget or lose sight of this
because now we talked about of the pain and the
different hardships, and we just spoke a little bit about
the relationships and the love that's there. Something that you
did mention early on that I'd like to kind of
go through as a little bit of a step by
step with everyone is there's a process. There is a
process that we go through to let go of this pain,

(38:17):
this regret, to start taking self accountability. There is a process,
and as you had mentioned earlier, and part of this
process is to let go of it so that you
could let new things in. And part of those new
things was living or is living in your passion and
when you do that, things open and expand by tenfold,
as you mentioned. So let's talk a little bit about

(38:38):
this process and as you see it in your as
you saw it play out for yourself, or as you
see it play out for others.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Sure, so there's always a letting go or a transition process,
no matter where you are, no matter how old you are.
The first process for when I left Germany, I as
I mentioned, I was a stage and TV actress there
for ten years and then I met my husband on

(39:10):
a European to a file on the roof and we
were directors for a company for a couple of years.
But then we had to make a decision to settle down,
so I had to let go of my home country.
I bought a one way ticket, and that was a transition,
a big transition in my life because I knew I

(39:32):
wanted to build a business in the United States with
my husband where he is from, and so it was
painful to let go of my family and my roots there,
but it was also good to get to that newness
and be open to receive something new and the new

(39:52):
family and the new opportunities. And that was, I guess,
the second transition. And you have to go through that
process of knowing what you want. And that's the first
thing when I go talking about processes, when I talk

(40:12):
with my clients and go through this, there is first
of all a clarity process, being crystal clear with what
you want to do and being crystal clear with what
you do not longer want to do and have. And

(40:35):
then I have a process that the church that I
attended to, it was a process that we did at
the end of the year. It's called the burning bowl.
And sometimes when I do my life events, I do
that because there is just something when you let go
of something physical. So I have a meditation process that

(40:58):
I go through. We can really go within. And when
we go within and close our eyes and let go
of that three dimensional world that we live in that
always destructs us in one way or another. We're a
little bit closer to our soul's journey, how I call it.
And when we are open and take the time to listen,

(41:23):
we get answers. And the first part is what do
I not longer want? Who do I not longer want
to be? And then you let it go? And as
I mentioned, if I do that process, even we write
it down and then let's burn. It's it's kind of
a you know, passage, and then we are ready to receive.

(41:48):
Once you let go, you're ready to receive. That's just
how it is. Yeah, sometimes I give that example. You know,
when you have a fist, closed fist and you want
to receive more. So if I take sand or money
or whatever it is, new opportunities and let it go
over your fist, it will just run by like the sand. Right,

(42:11):
we cannot get it. So what do we have to
do in order to be open? We have to let
go of what's there that there's no more space. So
we open, let go of all things, and now we're
open to receive. And so then I go through that
next process of that receiving process, the clarity process, and

(42:33):
once you have that and you feel good, we always
anchor it with feeling because these are connected. Our mind
and our feelings, our body and our thoughts are connected.
And when we have that feeling connected to what we
want and to the thoughts that we want to bring

(42:54):
it to realization, we are more capable to do the things,
and then we create the action plan to it. And
of course it's all backed up through my experience, through
my building the business to how I run the business
now so that it really also makes sense. It's not

(43:16):
just woo woo. You know, everything is backed up with
actual I'm a I'm an actual person. I you know,
this is how it is. Maybe it's a German to me,
I don't know, but everything is backed up with with emotions.
And that's where I also bring in my music because
music is a powerful tool to to bring this all together.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
I want to hear more about the music and how
you bring it in because that's amazing. I do want
to touch on this this wooy wooie thing that you
call it woo woo. We say woo woo, and it's
it's very interesting.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
As I've learned more.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
You know, I'm also a coach and work with leaders
in the same in a similar capacity to you, and
and I use meditation and visualization and tapping.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
Into our feelings.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
It's very interesting on how it's been maybe pushed aside
as woo wo type of stuff. But then as you
start learning about neuroscience and you start learning about our
bodies and how how our body engages, how our gut
and the nerves in our gut respond and speak to
our brain, and how all of these emotions are tied

(44:31):
to so many of the beliefs that we have today.
And this is all, like I said, going into medical,
into neuroscience and psychology of all of this, when you
start learning that it no longer is woo woo type
of stuff, because I think that the separation here that
I want to maybe demystify for everyone is that it's
it's maybe marketed as magic, and it's maybe marketed as

(44:55):
things come out of thin air, but that's not the case.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
It's not magic.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
It feels like like when you talk about you know,
I put out into the world that I want to
have this house, and you describe it and everything. It
feels like magic when it happens. But the reason why
it actually happens is because you become more aware to
it all. You start your receptors are there to start
listening to the things that will lead you to this
beautiful house, that will lead you to this career, that

(45:20):
will lead you to the man or woman or a
person that you love or want to be with. It's
that you start putting it out there and you start
paying attention to these things, and the paying attention happens subconsciously.
There's a lot of conscious paying attention, but there's a
lot of subconscious paying attention that happens. It's the one
that I remember hearing what Tony Robbinson, You and I
can talk more about this and that when he said,

(45:42):
you know, think of a blue car, and you start
thinking of a blue car, and next thing you know,
you go outside you and all you see.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
Is blue cars.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Why because you start becoming more aware of the blue car.
It's as simple as that. It's not that there was
more blue cars driving down the street. It's that you're
more aware. And this is all backed by science, so
it's no wu woo. And I love that you brought
that up before we get into the music, because oh
my goodness, I cannot wait I cannot wait. I cannot wait.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
I cannot wait to get into the public speaking and
the music. I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Right now, you and I we are, we are one
being because between everything I just mentioned and your your stories,
your stories and my stories are so similar. And part
of what I want to do with my public speaking
and my keynotes is to start incorporating music, not from
a play the music, although I'm going to start with
that because I don't have any talents quite yet, but

(46:34):
I want to be able to start playing the keyboard
and the piano and incorporate it. So I can't wait
to touch on that. But before we do that, I
just want to talk about mental fortitude. And the reason
why is I started adding things up with you as
you started telling as your as you've been sharing your
stories with me, and you know, you talk about your
experience with the business, and you talk about just up

(46:55):
and leaving Virginia and going down to Florida, and it's
started adding up for me when you said you took
a one way ticket from Germany to the States, and
in that there's this pattern for you of being able
to leave something that you love for something new, and
you're speaking about that about like the closed fists and

(47:16):
opening the hand and leaving something that you love for
something new, and the amount of mental fortitude it takes
to be able to do something like that. And so
my question, based off of all of that information that
you shared with us, is where do you believe that
derived from for you to be able to start making
decisions like that.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
This is an excellent question, actually, and I was as
you formulated that, I was thinking about it. Again. It's
a process. When I was younger, this came just from
a feeling, just from something within that I didn't hundred

(47:59):
percent understood. But I always followed my feelings. That's the
best way I can describe it. I followed my feelings
that I had that felt right to go this way.
I didn't have the understanding behind it. That started really

(48:20):
when I started my spiritual awakening, so to speak. It
started actually in Europe, when I was in Vienna, playing
in Limits. I had an appointment that for a massage therapist, right,

(48:41):
and I just took it because somebody could go there.
It's so funny that you said that, this just came
back into my mind and so I thought, Okay, I
want to have a massage. But that was a master.
It was so much more. I mean he opened up
my meredients or whatever, and I had no understanding, but
he was also getting into my mind in a positive

(49:03):
way and for me to open up many things, some
of the traumas came out. And then when we worked
as a director, I was directing a show at one
of the clubs that we were in and there was
a procedure called called brain light. It was and that

(49:26):
was over thirty years ago. That's when it started out.
So you had your headphones with music and you had
the glasses with lights and what it did it slowed
down the brain waves. And that goes back to this
backed up science today when our brain waves slowing down
when we get into this theater state where we are

(49:53):
not so conscious anymore and actually are open to receiving messages.
Right for me, I was like, wow, that was the
first really spiritual experience. And I tell you, people are
coming up to me and I didn't know. And then
that passes, right, so you have again it's a process.

(50:15):
And then the next one really started when I had
my studio in Virginia. I was four years and then
someone came into our doors wanting to rent studio space
and that was for a church. And I'm not going
to share the story because this is actually a story
that I'm sharing in my book. This is the book

(50:39):
Become Empowered, Echoes of Grace and Strength, real life stories
of women's transformation and triumph. And my story is in
there together with twelve others. But through that process, I
started becoming a music minister and started my spiritual journe

(51:00):
me and awakening. And that's when I started writing music
because I understood that music helps you. Ah. I wanted
to write the music to elevate the message of the
Reverend because music is like it goes to the back

(51:21):
door into your heart. Uses the back door to go
into your heart because that connects the message that we
receive on a you know, conscious level, with a feeling
that music brings you. And when you can marry that together, wow,
magic starts to happen.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
The music that you wrote, was any of it that
you've you've performed it?

Speaker 3 (51:48):
I'm sure? And did you did you use it on CDs?
Did you put it out there?

Speaker 2 (51:54):
I did? And that was It's another magical journey if
you just open to it. Actually, I was a music
minister for one year and I did a lot of
musical theater pieces that are very inspiring. So it was
a more modern, modern church. And so one day I

(52:19):
the message was the Game of Life. It was just
the game, the last game in the NFL, right or
something like that. And I said, I don't know what
to sing, what to perform. Uh. Then I sat down

(52:40):
on the piano. I'm not a good piano player, but
I played piano for my singers to to get them
through the voice lessons. So I started playing, and then
this music came into me, The Game of life. Just
play it right, good God first, and see God's great

(53:00):
and every challenge your face will turn out good because
God is love and you will see swed reward with
Goddess partner you. The game of life just showed up.

(53:21):
And then and then the verse came. And then I
called my reverend and said, Tricia, I I just I
have to write music. It's called the Game of Life,
like you talk, right, And so she put it in
the the uh, the pamphlet, thank you, thank you, thank you.

(53:41):
And then I said, okay, I need to get my
second verse. Guess what now my my conscious mind and
this that human ell. Now I have to get this
all done, and nothing came. Saturday came along and I
still had nothing, and I said, oh my God, have
to sing it tomorrow. What am I going to do?

(54:02):
And I was there and then and then I let go.
I released the outcome. I said, God, you put this
into my mind. However, now you better finish it because
I can't. So I sat down, watched some TV commercials
came so okay, turn it off, sent back on the piano,

(54:27):
and there was a second verse. Believe it or not,
I'm not kidding. And that's how I started my journey
as singer songwriter actually, and I from that point on
it was like the flood doors were open and I
was receiving and writing music.

Speaker 1 (54:46):
It's incredible, right when you when you step away from
the work sometimes how it can just come to you
if you're open to it. So I think that that's
the very important part to that, right, is that you
stepped away, you watch TV, but you were open. You
were you you had said you went, we went. You
stepped away with the intention of I need to let
this go in order for it to come. And I

(55:07):
think that that's so important because it's not the it's
not the same as saying I'm done with this and
I'm gonna sit down and watch two hours of TV.
It's I need to to step away from it. And
whatever can get my mind away from it. If it's TV,
if it's a hike, whatever it is, uh, then do
it right. I'm gonna share a little bit of my
story very briefly here on something that just came to me,

(55:29):
which was just I think miraculous to some extent, right, like,
it's so cool. It's it's not yet because it just
came to me yesterday. But I've had a long time
thought process or idea of a of a of a
network type of show for my podcast. I've I've shared
it with other guests that I've had on that have
kind of ends with networks, and I've shared it with

(55:50):
people outside of the podcast.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
But for me, I've had.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
This dream or this vision even before the podcast, of
having my own show, and I just don't know what
looks like exactly. I've kind of created it along the
lines of the podcast, and but that's never really expanded
or really moved the needle for me in a way
where I'm like, wow, this is the one I got
to push forward on this, you know the passion and

(56:14):
drive that we spoke about earlier. Recently, I had somebody
in the studio. We were just talking, a good close
friend and mentee of mine, and I was telling him
about the show because he's in the video production space,
and he asked me, he goes. It was so so
funny because he is a mentee of mine in that
he's a new entrepreneur. He's in his twenties. For those

(56:35):
who know him, Rocky, he's a wonderful, wonderful I want
to call him kid, but he's a man, right, He's
a man. And I'm pitching him this idea because I said, Rocky,
you're in production, I'm doing this. Let's let's let's do
this together. Let's see what this looks like. And you're
the perfect audience because it's your generation that I really
want to impact with this. And he just said back

(56:56):
to me, why would anybody watch this show? Why would
why would they watch the show? And he's asking it
to me out of curiosity, not at a judgment.

Speaker 3 (57:05):
He's asking out of curiosity.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
And I turn to him very quickly, like I always
do with all of my reasons. Why somebody would watch
the show?

Speaker 3 (57:13):
But he planted the thought.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
In my mind that wait a second, this is no
longer a sixty year old veteran in the industry asking
me the question, or a forty year old entrepreneur asking
me the question. This is a twenty year old This
is the demographic that I want to reach asking me
this question. And so I was thinking about it, but
I left it alone. And yesterday my wife and I
we celebrated our eleven year anniversary by going to a

(57:37):
beautiful spa in our area in Rhinebeck. And I was
there and as always, as you know, there's no way
that these things leave our minds. While I'm at the spa,
while I'm in the sauna in the steam room, all
I'm thinking about and intentionally, by the way, because for
some reason, as entrepreneurs were like, I can't just be here.
I need to make sure that this is somewhat justified.

(57:59):
This is that's neither wrong or right everyone. So in
the justification, I'm meditating on it, and it came to
me of what I want to create and the show
I want to create, and I started playing it out.
So I'm there for probably two hours, between the sauna,
the steam room and a cold Plunge and just going
through the process and playing it all out in my

(58:20):
mind of what it looks like. And I really truly
believe I've put pen to paper with it too, actually,
which I never did before. I actually truly believe that
this show, if I can get the right people involved,
can actually be the show that I've dreamed of. And
it all came to me in that moment, very much
like the music that you say. Now, I don't know
where it'll go, but I just think that it's the

(58:41):
same on the same kind of idea that you just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, and who cares at this point where it goes.
It goes where it needs to go. That's right, and
it will enfone. And it's so interesting that you said
that I started my podcast Become about two years ago
and that it was so interesting. It was about this
time of year where I was working with a colleague

(59:09):
and I was sharing my music, one of my songs
called I Am, and she was like, Sabina, you need
to share this. Oh my, it touched me so much,
and so we talked about it and I said, yeah,
it's very true. I haven't really done that. After I

(59:30):
left the church service and as a music minister. And
then I woke up one night it was three o'clock,
four o'clock, and then the word become was just flushing
before me, and so I wrote it down and yeah,

(59:53):
I just started a podcast. And the tagline of my
podcast is have to become the person we are meant
to be, to live the life we're destined to live
and when you are open. I had no idea where

(01:00:14):
it would lead me and I started interviewing. Again, I
learned as I went along, but it turned out to
be so beautiful, so many people, so many connections that
I made. Look, we met here as well on the
podcast space. But you know what then from that last year,
because I had so many people who wanted to be

(01:00:35):
on my show, I couldn't take them all said how
else can I? What other medium can I use to
spread the stories that are so important to be heard?
Because when we share those stories, people understand they are
not alone, other people have gone through it. And then

(01:00:57):
they share how they overcame those challenging situations. And that's
when Become Empowered. The book came about and I invited
twelve other women to share their story and these stories
are amazing, all different, all different topics, but all have

(01:01:21):
something in common. It's that vulnerability. It's how they overcame
that situation and in some instances found love, in some
instances really stepped into their purpose and now making a
huge difference in other people's lives. And when you see that.

(01:01:44):
When I started that book too, I didn't know how
it turned out to be. But now when I first
of all the friendships, they they came about, but the
stories that I read and was so empowered, pactful, and
it touched my heart and I was able to help

(01:02:04):
some of these women say shared with me that it
was a healing process for them to share the stories.
So you never know where it what leads to your.

Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
Right, Yeah, it's true, it's it's it's really when you
open up to all of this, it's incredible on what
you said. And I also appreciate the fact that you said,
even if it leads to nothing, you know, and I've
obviously in the books case it led to something which
is wonderful. But it's so true because at least you're
going through these processes and being open to it all.
Let's get into your public speaking, because you are you

(01:02:37):
are a speaker. I'm a speaker, and you know, I'm
gonna tell you listen, we even have the same headset,
by the way, for those watching on YouTube, like we
literally have the same headset. Like it's we are we
are connected somehow or another. But you're also so you're
also a toast master.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
We talked about that earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
Yes, you're a toast master, you're a you're a public speaker,
and so in a keynotor how do you because and
again this is so I've been talking about my keynotes
with coaches and saying, you know, I want to turn
it into a one man show kind of thing. I
don't want it to just be a keynote where I
just go here are my main points. I want to
go up there and I want people to feel to learn,

(01:03:17):
to learn from it, of course, because that's why I'm there,
to give value, to inspire them, of course, because that's
what a keynote does, is we inspire, We motivate them
to take action, and we give them actionable steps. Everybody,
anybody in the keynoting space or the public speaking space
understands that, right, and those who hire us, but also
to entertain, and so many speakers are there and they

(01:03:42):
miss out on the part of entertainment, and they're there,
they give their ten fast tips, they give you actionable steps,
and half day audience is asleep and the other half
is just like, Okay, I'm gonna go do those ten
steps and so on, and this goes on so often.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
But what about like you do.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
What if you could do every thing we just talked
about of inspire, motivate, give actionable steps, and learn and
give value and entertain. And that's where music and the
One Man show came to me. And you already do that.
So I love if you could share with us how
this journey one maybe began and how you started incorporating

(01:04:19):
music in your talks and doing it all. You kind
of touched on it a little bit, but let's bring
it to this part of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
Yes, yes, so interesting. When I started my journey of
personal growth and personal development and really learning a lot,
and I started writing, oh, my first inspirational song. So
I wrote all those the spiritual songs that were always

(01:04:47):
very inspiring too, but the first one that I wrote
that was outside of it's still spiritual, but outside of
the church, still for personal development. It actually started I
was getting those CDs back in those days. We started
got CDs and I heard one woman saying, living out Loud.

(01:05:07):
I want to live out loud, I want to change
my life. I said wow, and immediately I started writing
a song. So I had the again, the first verson
and the chorus, and then I went to a convention
in Rome and I was a participant and it was

(01:05:28):
all about learning, you know, how to about personal growth.
And then there was one speaker and he gave us
an assignment and one of the assignments was what do
you want to do? What do you want to show
or something like that. And so we were in this
group and I said, oh, I wanted to I wanted

(01:05:49):
to share my song, right, and they said, oh, yeah,
I should do it. So I did a little bit
while we're there, and then we all came back and
then the beaker says, so, who wants to share? And
my head went up, so okay. Then they gave me
the microphone. There were like thy five hundred people in

(01:06:10):
the auditorium, right, they gave me the microphone and then
I shared. I said, yeah, I listened to the city
and I don't recall her name, she said living out Loud,
And I actually wrote a song and then I started
singing Liva Life out loud. So I started singing and

(01:06:31):
then I was done, and I got a standing ovation
and everybody. And then that lady came to me. She
said to a rose before me, said oh, this was me,
Lisa Molina. I think it was her name. I said, oh,
my gosh. And that started the process. And from that
point on, I was writing songs that I then performed.

(01:06:52):
While I was talking, I was talking in front of churches,
and I always connected my message with music, and yeah,
and that's when it started from there.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
So you always, yeah, you always connected your message with music.
And it's interesting, you know, you bring up the church,
and regardless of everybody's faith here, I think that we
have all seen a movie with a gospel singer in
the background of some sort. So, whether you've experienced it
or not, the church uses song in order to help
reinforce the stories or the parable or whatever it is

(01:07:28):
that they're they're reinforcing, but uses it and you could
see it with kids they're singing along and adults of
course are singing along. And there's a couple other things
that happened so with song. And you know this as
a as a teacher for public speaking the question that
I was taught. And I'm going to give a shout
out here to Vin. I can't say his last name.

(01:07:49):
He's a Vietnamese public speaking coach who's all over the
YouTube's you could see him there. But one of the examples,
the great example that he uses is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:57):
Is think of a book that you've read, right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Just think of any book that you've recently read, right,
And let's just say that you and maybe it's one
of your favorite books, and you've read it more than once,
maybe you've read it countless times. Now, recite to me
an entire page from it. More often than not, nobody can, right,
sabin NERD can you no, right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:16):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
More often than not, nobody can. Now, think of one
of your favorite songs, sing it back to me.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
More often than not.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Maybe you fudge a few words, but more often than not,
you get the melody down right, You're able to sing
along with the melody. You're getting the song down, you're
singing the song. And so what he talks about, and
you know, this is kind of what we're speaking to here,
is that the melody, the music that is played, is
what's helping you retain the song, the words to it all.

(01:08:44):
So when you think about messages and giving messages, why
wouldn't we incorporate music and melody in our teaching, which,
of course the churches and different religions have taken on
of like they're singing and their humming and their hymns
and all these different things.

Speaker 3 (01:09:02):
They've done that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
So when we think about public speaking, wouldn't it make
sense for a keynote for a speech, for a talk
to incorporate some of this malady? So I think it's
brilliant from your end.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
And the thing is, people don't remember everything that you said.
The matter of the fact is they remember words they
count ten percent, but everything else they see and hear
they retain. And people don't remember what you said, but
they always remember how you made them feel.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yes, I was thinking about that, and I always mess
up her name may Alu, oh my goodness, and Angelie Mayelu,
oh my goodness.

Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
I don't know her, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Famous quote it's not what you say, it's how you
make people feel feel And we'll come up with her
name later.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
Everyone sorry about that, but many.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
People have said that, you know, so I don't know
what the original.

Speaker 1 (01:10:05):
But we go back to what we were talking about
with the science right where it's the feeling. When you feel,
when you feel what you want to experience is when
it really becomes true to you. So going back to
the public speaking here is the same thing of it's
the feeling that you give to others and making them
really feel good, and that's how they're going to retain

(01:10:26):
the information. So you said you incorporate this in your talks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
Now, yes, I do, and it all depends. Sometimes I
start out with that, sometimes I'm leaving with the song,
so you know how powerful it is. The beginning and
the end is the most important impactful part of your
talk what people remember. And so that's oftentimes what I do.

(01:10:53):
And the other thing is talking about the feeling when
I give my presentations and my talks. One of the
talks that I gave is really taking my acting experience,
and I call it back to the future. If you

(01:11:14):
want to achieve something in the future, you have to
go back to the past. And I make this connection
because oftentimes all of us have a situation in our
lives that went very well. I'm a business personal life.
It doesn't matter something you succeeded. Wow, So I take

(01:11:38):
my audience back to that time where they succeeded. They
go back and have this feeling, oh greats, so what
did you do so they did this right? And of
course when you work with entrepreneurs, they have oh yeah,
when I did this and my business was so good,
so good, so good, and I got this achievement and
this achievement. Now what you want to do is take

(01:11:59):
that same excitement and feeling and also knowing what you did,
and bring it to your future event. What do you
want to achieve at that time? Then we go to
the future and incorporate that feeling and then I have

(01:12:19):
like a visualization then go through where they actually feel
they already achieved it, and you think and act like that.
And one of my you know, the greatest examples that
that I always like to give because from the entertainment
industry is Arnold Schwarzenegger. I mean, he is the post

(01:12:44):
to child of achieving anything. I mean from when he
was just a bodybuilder, mister universe. He had b movies,
not had the thick accent, but when he was asked,
what do you what's next? Like a g You're building
a gym? No, no, I want to be so movie
star in Hollywood. I guess what he did. And the

(01:13:10):
reporter asked him, well, how do you think you achieved that? Easy?
Just the same as embodybuilding. If I think I cannot
lift another weight, I did it anyways, And I think
and feel and like I'm already the biggest movie star here.
You have it. You go back into the past, do

(01:13:31):
and take what works, go to the future, have that feeling,
and then you act and feel like you already have
achieved it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
So and then he also became the governor of California.

Speaker 2 (01:13:46):
Exactly, which reminds me, which is so funny one of
the movies, Uh, Sylvester Stallone and what's her name was
in there, and again a futuristic and so that's just
Slone came back. Yes, Sandra Bullock to the future.

Speaker 1 (01:14:07):
He was thought out, Yes, the dread cop.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
No, demolition man. Demolition man, that's right. And then he said, okay, yeah,
we're going to the Arrange schwarznag a library. You mean
the actor? Oh no, the president, Well he wasn't born
in the United States, and he said, oh, the people
loved him so much that they changed the law. So

(01:14:32):
I thought it was so hilarious. But yeah, The highest
thing he can achieve at this point was governor and
he did. He did. He had this in his mind
and he did. So we all have that same capability
if we just stepped into our full power and full potential.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
And I always like to draw the contrast because I
think that most of us live in the contrast of
this in that it's not even an if you are already.

Speaker 3 (01:15:02):
You have your own.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
Stories that you've told yourself of your past. You have
your own feelings that have happened, traumas or dramas or
things that have happened in your past, and they are
the feelings that you're living as today. The person that
you are today is based off of that past and
that you've allowed to really with no control over it,

(01:15:25):
you've allowed it to form the person that you are today.
So if you want to change that, and that's what
you're speaking to here, all you got to do is
tap into those other things. And I love your podcast
of becoming the person, be the person that you want
to become.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
It's so true, it really is.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
I mean, when I got my podcast here and I
want to move on from this, but very quickly, just
for everybody to hear this when I got my podcast here,
I received a phone call from somebody that worked at iHeart,
very close friend of mine.

Speaker 3 (01:15:53):
She called me up.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
She said, hey, Michael, we're looking for local podcasters.

Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Do you want to do a show?

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I said absolutely. It wasn't even a question at the time.
I was working at a big insurance company, and I
said absolutely. She said great, She said, what what kind
of show do you want to do? I said, I
don't know, but I'll call you back in half an hour. Now,
I pulled out my company laptop because I still had
to do some work and i'd have to call her back.
But I pulled out my company laptop. Do you know
what the password to my company laptop was? And I

(01:16:20):
had no idea of it until looking back on it.
My password that I had created was capital p podcast.
That was the password to my corporate laptop at the time, unconsciously,
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:16:33):
Even think of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
It was until about a year into this podcast of
recording this show that I've now we're on our third
year of recording.

Speaker 3 (01:16:42):
That I realized.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
I looked back, I wait, wait a second ago, I
just remembered that my password used to be podcast. I
had put it out there I started really stepping into it.
And so when the opportunity came of Michael, do you
want to do?

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
I said yes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
I didn't know how, I didn't know what I was
going to create, but I knew it was going to
be a podcast, and I knew I was coming in
this studio with I don't know what, but I was
going to start recording.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
No doubt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:06):
That's a great story. That's a great story, and it
kind of brings the point home that subconsciously we have
things going on and sometimes it does not come to
realization until a year, two or many years later.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah, it's incredible on how it all works. And so
if you're already, if you're living in a state right
now and you're saying, hey, I don't believe any of
the stuff that they're saying to us, to me, well
just listen. The state that you're in right now was
created for you. And what Sabine is offering you right
here is you can create a whole new state and
all it is is just take control of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
It's really really incredible and powerful.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
It's something I've gone through with my coaches and I
think is really wonderful. I want to just touch on
a few things before we do start concluding some of this.
One of the things that you do is you volunteer
at the Humane Society or the Human Society. Oh oh,
you are our and it's to fight trafficking. And I'd

(01:18:04):
love for you to just acknowledge them and just share
briefly who they are, how people can help, and why
you're involved and so deeply involved with this organization.

Speaker 2 (01:18:16):
First of all, I love to give voices to the
voices that cannot speak, and in this case the Human Society,
there's so many animals and the dogs. Of course, I
have my two dogs that are being neglected and they

(01:18:36):
don't have a voice, so we have to give voices
to them. And then our under Ground Railroad is an
organization that helps the fight against human trafficking. And again,
most of them are women and children, and that breaks

(01:18:57):
my heart so much because I've worked with children so
much years that are being put into this position and
we have to bring awareness to that. And oftentimes people think, oh,
it's you know, it's not us. It's in other countries
for example, right, No, a lot happen here in the

(01:19:19):
United States. And then I just want to say one
thing is why does that happen? You know, demand, the
demand is there and that's why it's going to happen.
So we have to educate also the society about how

(01:19:40):
can we bring that quote unquote demand down because there's
a total other thing that needs to be addressed. And
so there's so many organizations out that do that. The
Hour is really active in getting trafficking ring you know, busted.

(01:20:02):
But also once they take the victims, they have an
after care meaning those who are traumatized, those women and
children are dramatized, and some in some instances, you know,
young boys too, to to bring them back into this civilization, yeah, civilization,

(01:20:28):
and heal the trauma that they went through. So that's
why I'm passionate about because you know, I'm I want
to give people voices because I believe all voices need
to be heard, and in some instances, we are the
voices for those who don't have one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Yeah, and for everybody listening. Schamitria Gonzalez. Gonzalez was on
my show and she was sex trafficked. She was she
was a worker. And because of that, because you sex
trafficked and or excuse me, human trafficked, I might have misspoke,
but they used her for that. She spoke openly about it,

(01:21:08):
So I'm not saying anything and you could you could
listen to the episode and hear her story. But she
was in Texas, she was a straight A student, she was,
so I wanted just to just remove some myths or
some misconceptions here of what these people look like.

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
Or sound like.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
She was a young girl who lived in Texas, who
was a straight A student and was working a job
while going to school and was picked up by this
this trafficker and the people that worked for him, who
were also trafficked when they were younger. She was I
believe fourteen years old at the time, if I remember correctly,

(01:21:51):
and she was brought into a home, a mansion, a
beautiful home, and given things that she never had before
and made to believe that this could all be hers,
and was then soon drugged and restricted and confined to
a room to where eventually was fearing for her life,

(01:22:11):
to where she became traffic. That's human trafficking.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
It's it's really that simple. It's it's not this whole
thing that we see on television or in movies. It's
really as simple as just planting a seat in a
child and making them think they can have something, and
playing like their friend, you know, the wolf in sheep's clothing,
playing as though you're their friend, and protecting them and
looking out for them and helping them and bringing them

(01:22:37):
in and giving them thoughts and ideas that somebody else
is not maybe giving to them or whatever it is.
And unfortunately that's what happened. And she shared on my
show a story of a young twelve year old who
she was working with, So it really it's the kids
and it happens to them. Thankfully for her, she was

(01:22:57):
part of the one of the people that brought down
this sex trafficking ring that was happening in Texas and
this person that was doing it and she even said,
she said, and it was even bigger than him, and
they got him, you know, and that's what they got.
So this is happening, and I thank you for your
work with Hour and of course the Humane Society. But

(01:23:17):
it's happening, and I think it's something that we are
start seeing more now in social media with certain celebrities
that are being I guess put out there. I don't
want to speak on it anymore because I don't know
the whole thing on it, but.

Speaker 3 (01:23:32):
It's happening in front of our eyes.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
So it's really really an important cause and I'm glad
you brought it up to speak on it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
And bringing us back to a lighter thing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
You know, I just wanted to say one thing about
non for profits and the work and the volunteerism. There's
a reason why we volunteer in these spaces, right because
there's a need and we have to help these people.
And that's why I bring this into the show is
that I want to make sure that we are all aware.
You know, there's all these wonderful things that we can do,
and there is a great prosperity that we can achieve,

(01:24:03):
and that's why you're on here, Sabine, to help people
find that prosperity, to find that beautiful life. And we
also have to realize that there are people that aren't
there yet, or that need our help, or animals that
also need our help, and we have to be the
voice for them. And that's why this is part of
the show, and so I thank you for bringing it up,
and so on this lighter note, I always like to

(01:24:23):
know what is it you know when you put your
feet on the ground in the morning. What is it
that moves you forward? What's your mantra? And and for you,
it's we have to become the person we are meant
to be to live the life we are destined to live.
And we've talked a little bit about this, but please
bring it home for us.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Yes, so what I do now is and I had
to learn that. But one of the things when I
understand things how it works, it's so much easier. I
start out with two things. Either I do my thirty
minute walk first thing. I come out of bed, do

(01:25:05):
my walk, and oftentimes I get the best ideas while
I'm walking, and I got my exercise in because that
helps you get really your energy going. And then I
sit down and I do my meditation and sometimes I
flip it if I feel like it. Right, I wanted

(01:25:26):
to start out with meditation, but I do half our
meditation in the morning, and that is getting my body
and spirit connected and aligned, to be open, to connect
with the field, connect with that higher power. Right that
is and again, as you said, it's scientifically now proven

(01:25:49):
when we do that, things start to happen. And when
I started doing this, oh my gosh, I started last
year and then I left at it again. Right, you
know how it is. We are humans, right, Oh, I
have so much to do, so much to do. But
what gets me out of bed now that I feel

(01:26:09):
things are starting to happen, People come to me, situations, opportunities,
and it's beautiful, beautiful to experience. But what gets me
out of bed is that I can serve. I can
be out there, like being on this podcast, at this show,
having this conversation with you where I can share my

(01:26:33):
wisdom that I accumulated over the years. I wish somebody
had that done to me. I could listen to some
We didn't have podcasts back then, right, But that gets
me out of bed and just being the best I
can be and enjoying life.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
Really, yes, I love it, enjoying life, and you certainly
have shown us the way to enjoy life, and you
are the epitome of it. I want to thank you
so much for coming on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:27:03):
Sabine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Please pick up her book. She has a book that
just came out. I'm sure you could find it in
all sorts of different stores and all the different publications,
and of course the links will be attached to the
show notes here. Please reach out to her for speaking engagements,
for coaching Sabine for all of our audio listeners. If
you could just share with everybody your website and different
ways that people can communicate.

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
With you, absolutely the best and easiest way is to
just go to my website Sabinecavenburg dot com, forward Slash
resources and there you can have free downloads, you can
see what the newest set is up there, and if
you want to get in touch with me, you can

(01:27:45):
also just go to talk to sabine dot com and
schedule a time on my calendar.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Talk to sabine dot com. I like that so much easier.
Your last name is actually pretty easy. I didn't know
that you do say the cake keV Kevin Berg.

Speaker 3 (01:28:01):
It's yeah, k.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
V E n B E r G, Yeah, Kevin Burg
ken Burke.

Speaker 3 (01:28:08):
It's actually pretty easy. I have a friend his name
is is.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
His last name is Knutsin, and everybody used to say
nuts In and he said, no, no, the K.

Speaker 3 (01:28:17):
You actually say the K. I said, I love it.
I love it. It's so much. It makes it so
much easier.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
Knutsen. It will be pronounced in German Knutsen because.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
Of the U right uh, huh yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
And you know what the funny thing is, I'm the
only Sabine keven Burg in the United States, maybe even
in the world. Literally, I'm the only one.

Speaker 3 (01:28:37):
I believe you because I googled you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
So it's this has been wonderful getting to know you,
and you and I have some work to do outside
of the podcast because you are going to help me
with my next keynote.

Speaker 3 (01:28:50):
I can't wait to add some music to it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
Wonderful. Thank you so much, Thank you Michaeh for having me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:29:26):
This episode was produced.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
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