We explore the transformative journey of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu with black belt Mike Medina and competitor Juno Lucero, delving into how this martial art shapes character, builds mental resilience, and provides purpose beyond the mats.
• Juno shares his background growing up in New Mexico and how Mike introduced him to jiu-jitsu at a young age
• Both guests recount street fight stories and how martial arts training prepared them for real-world confrontations
• Juno explains how jiu-jitsu gives him a calm demeanor in everyday situations by providing a positive outlet for energy
• Discussion on how belt rank differs from actual maturity on the mats and the importance of humility in training
• Mike shares experiences with overaggressive visitors to his gym and how he protects his students
• The importance of wrestling as a foundation for both competition and self-defense applications
• Debate on the merits of gi versus no-gi training with perspectives on the technical depth of each
• Commentary on social media influencers in jiu-jitsu and the importance of following credible teachers
• Examination of questionable self-defense techniques circulating online and why they often wouldn't work in reality
• Both guests share their competition mindset and how they approach upcoming tournaments
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Welcome to the Morning of discipline, struggle
and brotherhood, with BrazilianJiu-Jitsu.
Joining me in the studio aretwo true warriors.
I've got Brazilian Jiu-Jitsublack belt himself, mike Medina,
right here.
Say what's up?
Hello, hello, Thanks for havingme back.
Appreciate it, and hisbeautiful, handsome cousin, juno
Lucero.
What's up, guys?
As always, it's great to haveyou guys on the show.
(00:40):
Man, today we're getting intoeverything from Juno's journey
into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, how ithelped shape his life, to some
of the most trending topics inthe Jiu-Jitsu world right now.
Whether you're a white belt,black belt or somewhere in
between, or you're justsearching for your purpose,
today's episode is definitelygoing to be for you.
So, juno, I just want to askyou man, let's get started from
(01:02):
the beginning.
Where did you grow up?
What kind of environment didyou grow up in?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I grew up in albuquerque, rio rancho.
Rio rancho, albuquerque, newmexico, grew up there until I
was about 14.
I went to sacramento with mike,then from there I moved back to
rio rancho for a little bit,for like three months, then out
to, went to San Diego, back toLA.
Now I'm back in Rio Rancho, newMexico.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So tell me, how did you first get into Brazilian
Jiu-Jitsu man?
Was it something that Mike kindof brought you in on, or was it
something you got in on yourown?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That was Mike.
He got me and my brother AJinto it and then from there just
ran with it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So, mike, what was it like convincing your family to
jump into it?
So, mike, what was it likeconvincing your family to jump
into it?
It was fairly easy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
The thing is they were already doing a lot of
stuff.
They were doing BMX and a lotof new cool things, and I was at
the time teaching jiu-jitsu anddoing Muay Thai and I said, hey
, you guys got to try this out.
And it started like every UFCfight or something, I would show
them a technique.
And it just grew, it just keptgrowing.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And or something, I would show him a technique.
And it just grew, it just keptgrowing.
Juno was your cousin?
I guess not your cousin nephewuncle nephew.
You're a much older, more wiseruncle here.
Has he been someone that you'vealways looked up to?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, for sure.
He's always telling me fightstories, like street fights,
that he's been in All thesethings.
Me and my brother always lookedafter him, especially in
jujitsu.
He's beaten my ass for yearsnow.
I'm finally catching up, sothat's nice yeah, that sucks oh
really, mike, you're you'rereally humble man.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You don't talk about um a whole lot of anything and
you pretend that you don't knowhow to do anything when it comes
to fighting, but talk to meabout the street fights he's
talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Jeez.
Well, you know, albuquerque isa tough place to kind of grow up
, you know.
So you kind of either have tohandle you they're a victim,
right or you're going to be inthere like just defending
yourself.
So yeah, I just kind of ranwith a pretty good group.
I had, like I said, like like Isaid last time, I had boxed and
I had, you know, just justreally didn't take anything from
anybody.
You know, I wasn't one toreally take a lot of shit.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So give me, give me one specific time that you
sticks out.
Listen, I know you have one,he's like.
I can tell by the look on yourface that you have one.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, I got a few fight story.
I got a good one.
So, um, it was my friend AJ'sgirlfriend's birthday, so we had
a little house party and it wasme, my friend Mitch, my friend
Drew, a couple good buddies ofmine had a great night.
It was a big party.
Everyone was vibing, having agood time, and the night started
(03:37):
winding down.
And keep in mind when I tellyou this, me and all my friends
were wearing emo clothes.
We had tight jeans on, did notlook like we knew how to protect
ourselves for sure.
Night went down.
My buddy knew he was with meand my buddy Mitch who can you
know, who are kind of knownaround for protecting ourselves,
(03:57):
if you will he was in the.
My buddy Mitch was in the backtelling a story to a group of
girls about how a street fightthat he was in and at the same
time I look over and my buddydrew is getting into an
altercation with these guys, andthere was about four of them.
So I run back, open the door, Iget my buddy Mitch, we run out
and it was.
It was, it was like a movie.
My buddy looked at me and hesaw my boy Mitch and he just
like punched the first dude andthen a pandemonium broke out at
(04:26):
that point.
But my end, I end up suplexinga guy onto a table and like it
was just really bad.
It was really bad.
Yeah, my buddies did work, butyou know it was not easy that
night which were you everworried about?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
like, especially in albuquerque, new mexico, those
rural areas, man like weaponsare a thing like, were you ever
worried about that coming out?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
yeah, you, it's always in the back of my mind,
but at that moment now, I wasjust.
You know who's this like in thezone.
Yeah, I was just.
I was just in the moment so,yeah, what about?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
what about you, juno?
I mean, have you been in theany altercations where you're
like having to deal with peopleand fighting, or have you been
kind of a cleaner path?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
definitely inner path , mike, for sure.
Yeah, like I've done jiu-jitsusince I was like eight, did
wrestling since I was like fiveor six.
So everyone I went to schoolwith always knew I did some type
of martial art, so no onereally wanted to mess with me.
So I mean I went like bodies inthe bathroom for my homes and
shit like that, but nothing asbrutal as Mike, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So was there a turning point in your?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
life, maybe a challenge or a moment of clarity
that made you commit fully tothe path of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu,
because you're very competitive.
Honestly, just the thought ofhaving to work a job and have to
go to work every day.
Because Jiu-Jitsu is not a jobto me, it's something I love.
So every time I do it I'm notworking at all.
Anytime I teach a class, it'snot I'm not working, is what I
love.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So that's kind of why I chose it.
Yeah, that's actually really.
That's actually really huge man.
People ask me sometimes likewhether I like my job, and I'm
just kind of like, what kind ofquestion is that?
Who likes who likes their job?
I don't know, I don't knowanybody that really likes their
job.
I mean, very few people do.
So.
You are blessed with that and Iwant to ask you, how is you
jitsu impacted your life outsidethe gym, mentally, emotionally
(06:09):
and spiritually?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I just feel like I'm super calm.
So every time I go train I getall my energy out.
So anytime I'm like dealingwith someone at the store who's
like being annoying, I'm justkind of like it is what it is.
You know, I get cut off intraffic.
I'm like just where it ispretty calm, Pretty calm guy
because of jiu-jitsu I think.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and Mike, I want to ask you, man Early on I
didn't ask you this last time, Ithink last time we asked a
question about if you couldbring anyone back, who would you
train with or who would youroll against, or something like
that.
It was a question like that.
But talk to me about your earlytraining days.
Who are some of the key mentors, or?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
people that helped sharpen your tools.
When it comes to the mats, wow,I got pretty fortunate.
There was a lot of guys, a lotof wrestlers, I could say when I
first started influenced mygrappling for sure.
So there was a guy named LennyLovato.
He was state champion, hiscousin, this guy from Montana
named Derek Asher.
He really taught me that if Ilearned jujitsu I'd be a lot
(07:08):
more dangerous than justprimarily wrestling, if that
makes sense.
So I would watch this guy comein and he was doing jujitsu,
submitting these guys that weresuper high-level wrestlers and I
was like man, that's impressive.
So I'd say him and Ray, yee, heruns.
I think it was Albuquerquekickboxing at the time.
He gave me the chance to teachand really opened my eyes to
(07:30):
martial arts.
So all them played a huge factin where I'm at today for sure.
Yeah, what about?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
you Gino.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Early on my uncle, obviously my first coach, barata
.
He was at Gracie Baja back then.
Now he has his own gym SmartJits.
After that, kahlo, kahlo Lopezhe was my probably.
He gave me my yellow belt allthe way up to my green belt.
But the biggest one is probablyCabrinha, out here in LA.
I'd say he probably shaped mygame the most for sure.
(08:00):
And then Keenan I was atKeenan's for a while, but most
for sure.
And then, uh, keenan, I was atkeenan's for a while, but uh,
I'd say andre spunovsky, youprobably showed me a lot of
stuff.
He gave me a lot of insight onhow to like compete and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So right, so when are you planning on competing next?
I know we just came back fromlong beach, the world's long
beach.
Uh, what, what's your next?
Uh, what's your next plan overthe horizon?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think we're all going to be doing, uh, american
nationals me, mike, nate, mybrothers aj and jesse, so that
should be fun, little littlecrew going out there to american
nationals in las vegas, nice.
When's that happening?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
june 24th to the 26th , or 26 to the 28th, or
something like that so are youguys planning on cutting any
weight, or are you just gonna goin and where you're at I'm
gonna cut some weight.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I got a little overweight recently so I gotta,
I gotta shed some pounds, butyou know I I could do it so
where you at right now oh geez,right now I'm like 185.
What a fat ass, I know no, dude185.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I wish I was 185.
Still, what Juno.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think I might cut to 141.
I'm sitting right at 150 rightnow, so a nine-pound cut it's
not too bad.
We'll see, though.
I might stay at feather, thoughthat's fair.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's fair.
Have you guys ever plateaued,mentally or physically, where
you questioned on whether or notyou were going to continue?
If so, how did you push throughthat?
Who wants to take that one youcould take?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
that you know yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
There's a lot of times in training where you just
like get beat up.
Like for a week in a row yousay, man, I'm don't feel like
I'm getting better, but you justgot to keep going.
Because you don't realize thatwhen you're training with all
these guys, you see them everysingle day, so you don't realize
that they're getting better asyou're getting better, so that
you don't see your growth asmuch.
But once you kind of step backand just keep going, you'll,
(09:45):
you'll get out of that bunkAbsolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Have you guys ever taken like a long break before
and tried to try and tried tocome back and had to and had
some problems with that?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I did, I did, I took, I think, two years off, because
I hit a plateau.
I felt that it was like thatmonumental moment you reach
where it's like is thissomething that I'm doing for the
right reasons or am I just, youknow, being selfish, right?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So yeah, yeah, mike, we talked last time, man, and it
sounds like you you've had lifelike just hit you in the face
before.
Yeah, like you know, likefailed marriages and and or a
failed marriage and just goingthrough those emotions and
everything like that, whereasyou know, was brought up in
jiu-jitsu and and has kind oflived his life through that way.
(10:28):
But when life hits you, man,jiu-jitsu has always been there
for me, um, as far as keeping mein the middle somewhere in the
middle there, um, and keeping mementally exhausted enough to
where I'm not doing stupid shit.
But how do you personallydefine the difference between,
um, a belt rank and a real levelof maturity on the mats?
Who wants that one?
(10:50):
go ahead jenna, I'm sure youhave a lot of students and stuff
right and you have like,because I'm gonna tell you right
now, like I've especially earlyon, like in 2008, 2009, 2010,
when I first started, there wereguys that were high ranking but
were completely immature, likeguys that would just blow your
knees out, you know, blow yourshoulder out, usually as a
grappling dummy, and there'sjust no maturity there.
But what would you?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
yeah, for sure.
I mean the belt doesn't reallysay who you are as a person, you
know, right, you could be ablack belt but be a white belt
as a person.
So I mean, it's just about theperson.
I feel like belts don't reallymatter, like I could be a white
belt and still be as good as Iam now, you know.
But I feel like belts don'treally matter, like I could be a
white belt and still be as goodas I am now, you know.
But I feel like jujitsu, if youlearn it from the right person,
they also teach you how to be aman as well.
And some people don't have that.
(11:31):
They just kind of go into theroom, they just kind of brawl it
out and they're not reallytrying to like get better as a
person.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So I mean you guys have probably had people walk
into the gym before and actuallylike you know, maybe wearing a
purple belt or a blue belt orwhatever, but then they started
destroying everybody, right, andthen you have to kind of like
hey, like tone it down, and haveyou guys dealt with that before
?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I have not very often .
Usually everyone who comes inis very respectful, you know,
and nice.
But we've had, we've had smallinstances at, you know, someone
visiting from out of town andwith Nate.
They were kind of going at itwith Nate and, yeah, we kind of
had a little situation where Ihad to tune this guy up for not
being respectful.
(12:14):
What happened?
What happened Is that the guyyou put in a triangle yeah, it
wasn't even that, it was like aflying I jumped off the wall and
caught him in a choke.
It was crazy.
Well, jumped off the wall andcaught him in like a choke, it
was crazy.
I well, he came in, he was likealready telling me oh, I'm an
mma fighter, and blah, blah,blah.
And I said, hey, that's fine,you know, come on in and I'm
very welcoming for people whotrain with us.
Know that I, you know, we, Iteach my guys when someone comes
(12:36):
in we don't go hard, you know,we match their speed, we try to
like be there.
But, um, anyway, he was uh, kindof going hard on everybody and
Nate at the time was a whitebelt, so he was kind of just
getting his like the feel forjujitsu and they just kind of
started going off and as soon asI saw him throw a punch I was
like all right, that's it.
You know, because people whoknow me like I'm very caring but
(12:59):
at the same time like I'lldefinitely stand up for what's
right.
Like you know, if you come intothe gym and you try to
disrespect, you know it can gobeyond what just competition
jujitsu can be for myself, butat the same time it's, you know,
I teach in art and I try to beas professional as possible.
But there are boundaries thatif you cross then there's
actions that will be taken, forsure, definitely.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now, do you think that you've kind of learned over
the years on, like how to readpeople a little bit better,
since you've had instances likethat?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, and usually with them.
I try to kill people withkindness, especially if they're
overaggressive, right?
Because at the end of the day,no matter how hard they're going
, if my jujitsu is good, then Iknow that there's really not
much they can do, no matter howangry they are, how many fights
they've had, it's it meansnothing, you know.
So I could, I try to, you know,be nice and calm and cool them
(13:48):
down and try to see that, hey,if you just slow down,
everything will make sense.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
so, yeah, you know, juno, I don't want to miss this
opportunity because you'revisiting us from the land of
enchantment oh yeah, you knowyou, you always like freaking,
dominate me like when, likewhenever you're on the mat and
you let me know you're alwayslike freaking, dominate me like
when, like whenever on the mat,and you let me know you're from
new mexico, like you.
Like you call it out like nm,like no, I'm just kidding, no,
but uh, no, but like.
So, tell me something about youthat most people don't know
(14:14):
about, and like what aspect?
Just say anything.
So last time we were here, man,we learned that mike got shot
when he was 12, running awayfrom some gangbangers.
And then I think Mike, likereceptively, you had gotten some
feedback from people thatdidn't know certain things about
you.
I haven't had a chance toreally get to know Juno that
(14:36):
much.
I mean I have, but I haven't.
You've been gone quite a bit.
So what about you is somethingthat most people don't know
about.
Fuck that's a hard one.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I mean I'm a super kind guy.
Anytime I beat someone in atournament I always feel super
bad.
I just feel like I don't knowhow to explain it.
I just feel bad for the personI just beat because I know how
it is to feel that way.
So I don't think people seethat part of me like how I feel
inside when I beat someone.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'm like oh man, Are you like super celebratory, like
after you destroy someone?
It depends you just kind ofjust get up quietly.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Sometimes I just get up quietly.
It depends on how I win, If Isubmit the guy I'm getting up.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And it depends on their moxie.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, for sure.
And if they're doing some dirtystuff during the match, I think
I'm going to rub it in theirface a little bit once it's over
.
But it's all love.
You know what if they're arival.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh, yeah, that always feels good.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You got rivals, huh, I mean just guys that you've
fought before.
They may beat you.
You beat them.
It's been a close match and youguys just kind of meet up again
.
You got to go at it.
But I mean, I'm just a reallynice guy.
At people see me, they kind ofthink I'm like, uh, like an
aggro kind of guy.
I'm kind of like I don't reallyseem like approachable to some
people, but I'm actually areally nice guy I think you're a
(15:49):
nice guy.
Yeah, once you get to know me,you see that part of me.
But like I don't, even first, Idon't even have to get to know
you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like I just feel like you just seem like a nice guy,
like even even if I don't knowyou.
Like you're always smiling andshit and like I try.
Yeah, very, very humble guy tooVery humble Do you?
Do you think that yourpersonality is is kind of um,
your former training partners,your former coaches have kind of
rubbed off on you like withyour personality and stuff, or
(16:14):
just is that kind of just howyou have always been?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, I think I get my personality from my family, like
Mike, my, my brothers.
We're all kind of like the notthe same person, but we all kind
of speak the same act, the samesame characteristic.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, for sure.
So when you're dealing with ego, because you guys are nice guys
, but but when you are dealingwith ego, how do you?
What's your approach to dealingwith that in yourself and in
dealing with others?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
in a brazilian jiu-jitsu setting, I think if
someone comes in and they'regoing really hard sometimes,
sometimes you have to just kindof let them know who's the boss,
if you will, right, but juststrictly using technique right,
Showing them that there'snothing you can do that can save
you.
I don't care how, like I said,I don't care how mad you are,
how angry you are, there'snothing you can do.
So you kind of like the goalright, you know you're going to
(17:05):
come in, you're going to have anattitude.
Then you know I could nicelyyou're in a submission, you know
what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah, I like to always say that if you are at a
high level, you can always bumpdown to a lower level, but if
you're at a low level you can'tbump up to a higher level
without getting yourself orsomeone else hurt.
And so that's and like in thelaw enforcement side of things
and military side of thingsthat's how I've always seen
things is you're expected to bebetter than everyone else and
(17:33):
then kind of train down topeople enough to where you're
bringing them up with you, notjust completely destroying them.
Do you see that you say it'spretty accurate?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
And also notice too, you canjudge people by their
personality, because I alwaystell my students, like your
personality is an indicator ofhow your jujitsu is.
If that makes sense, someone'sa nice guy, they're going to be,
they're going to be really goodat jujitsu and they're going to
like, be caring right.
We're a guy who's, you know,like aggro right there.
(18:05):
You're going to tell right awayif they walk in, they got that
like bro style attitude.
They're going to have like thatbro style jujitsu as well, you
know.
So I think that's.
That's something I try to lookout for too.
If someone has a weirdpersonality or something I
already know, like, oh, thisguy's gonna try to go hard, or I
know I'm not to put him withnew students or something, I'll
keep it with the higher beltsand stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So what was your?
What was okay, because I'mgonna lie when I first came to
your gym, you were concernedabout me.
I, I knew you were.
Yeah, I knew you were.
Were because you were.
I noticed you watching mebecause I came in as a Pro Belt
unknown, yeah, but I get it.
I understand why.
Like I understand why you wouldbe concerned.
Would you say that that'spretty accurate.
(18:44):
Like for most, like higherbelts that come in for the first
time, you're a little bitapprehensive and then you kind
of back out from that.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
What I worry about is the safety of my students, you
know, right, because a lot oftimes a lot of these people are,
you know, they're notcompetitors, right?
You know, my, my, my competitorbase is super small.
So for someone to come in who'strying to learn and someone
comes in visiting and they'relike, oh, another blue belt,
right.
And then boom, hurt this guy,he's got to go to work.
(19:11):
He's why I'll always all right,let me see how this guy does
and then we'll go through.
You know, because you got tohave some type of empathy.
You know there's levels tojujitsu.
There's high level competitorsand there's your everyday
hobbyists and the balance inbetween there is just finding,
you know, the common ground withtechnique or using more
strength, right?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And just getting it out, you know.
So, yeah, no, I completelyunderstand.
I've been to like so manydifferent gyms in my time
unwillingly, because I've movedso much that sometimes, like
we're literally walking instrangers, we don't know each
other.
So it's important for you toprotect your students.
They got to go to work tomorrow.
Yeah, all of them do.
Nobody's really a professionalfighter and it's like you know,
that's the most important part,like like you just mentioned,
and juno, I don't want to leaveyou out of this conversation,
man, but, uh, I want to get intosome trending topics with the
Brazilian jiu-jitsu culture andget your young self and your
(20:00):
opinions on this, because itseems like today's influencer
side of things in Brazilianjiu-jitsu, what's your take on
the growing social mediainfluencer side of the sport?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think it's cool.
But I mean, I think you got tobe careful on who you follow.
Obviously there's guys who justkind of put out videos for
clicks, for clicks, right right.
You don't really know if thatworks or not.
So obviously go look at what,what they've done, and like
competition, and then go fromthere.
You know, some people just kindof post videos and they're just
like bullshit videos.
I'm just like bro, what like,what is this?
(20:32):
Like some of my students arelike some people I give like
privates to, they'll like showme a video.
I'm like, bro, like pleasedon't ever do that or ever show
me that again, ever.
Yeah, so it's a nightmare, butif you follow the right people
then yeah, it's very I thinkit's legit for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Do you know some of the people that that you follow,
that that you would recommend,who are authentic?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
there's this guy, john th Thomas.
I follow a lot of his videosonline and he hasn't really even
competed.
He's just very knowledgeable ofthe game and he's been around a
lot of people who are reallygood, like Espen Matisse and
Sebastian Serpo, those kinds ofguys, but he's very good.
I watch a lot of Cabrinhavideos, still to this day.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Andrzej Spunovski I mentioned him earlier but Ke
keenan, all those guys, all theguys who've done stuff, I'll
watch their videos.
I know they've proven it.
They've proven what they knowand it actually works, yeah,
yeah, mike, what's your take on?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
it with the influencer side of brazilian
jiu-jitsu.
I mean I like it.
I just think sometimes it putslike a false narrative where
people, you know, I see theselike influencers and they're
getting high up in belts andyou're like, dang, they haven't
been training that long, youknow.
And it just you wonder, arethey training just private
lessons?
But they're getting promotedright, are they putting in the
hard work like everybody else?
I mean, there are levels, but Ithink at the end of the day,
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like as long as everyone'slearning jujitsu, you know it's
it's it's positive for everybody, regardless.
You know I may not always agreewith certain stuff, but you
know, take what you want.
You know, if it works for you,it does.
If not, just don't use it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I want to ask you guys too and it's kind of a
personal question that I havefor myself because, like for me,
like I really think wrestlingis an extremely important base
when it comes to grappling anextremely important base when it
comes to grappling, and likeI've always kind of prided
myself in being able to holdpositions and transition over
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submissions but is that kind ofthe wrong take or is that just a
way?
It's not the way, but it's away to look at it conceptually.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's a good way to get a base, like, I think
wrestling is very important injiu-jitsu and all aspects of
scrambling, being able to stayon top and all that stuff.
So and plus you need to securea position before you get a
submission.
Obviously there's like flyingtriangles, flying armor, so you
can hit, but mainly you're goingto try to get to a dominant
position, hold it, control it,get inside position, then try to
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finish the match.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Right and and I always feel like pressure is my
thing too, like, but I also dotrain, not just for sport, but I
train for like real life too.
So, like it's, it's like I wantto make sure that I can hold
and I can pressure, and I cantake, fight away and replenish
energy.
But is that just a way, or isit the way, or what are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well if you think about it, right, wrestling is a
really good foundation.
Right, because you're startingon your feet, make sense, yeah.
So in the instance you want toprotect yourself, how many guys
are going to pull guard in thestreet?
Right, you've got to protectyourself.
So if you're super good, you'vegot to know how to wrestle,
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especially to add it in, becauseat the end of the day, you
never know who you're going torun into.
You could be a jujitsu blackbelt of you know a bunch of
years and you're super good.
You run across a guy whowrestled in high school, a state
champion.
You might not be able to takehim down yeah, but he could take
you down.
And in the street there's nomats, you can't.
Oh, you, you pulled my fingeror you poked me in the eye.
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All that is now out the window,right, headbutts, everything.
The danger goes up.
So to know wrestling jujitsuyou're, that makes you just a
way more deadly, because you candictate if it goes to the
ground or not, right?
Yeah, then if it hits theground, you can, you have the
option to attack submissions.
So wrestling is a very goodbase to start, I think I guess
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for me.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Sometimes people ask me what my opinions and my
pieces of advice are.
Like I don't feel like I'mworthy enough to like give
advice and things like that.
So I'm just like that's apersonal question for me, asking
you like your thoughts on itbecause it's the way that I
conceptualize things.
I guess it's like pressure andlike positioning and
transitioning, and and then thestupid easy submissions are
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going to present themselves tome.
Yeah for sure.
You know what I mean.
So that's kind of why I wantedto ask that question.
But the age old question manversus no gi Um yeah, both, I
agree.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Right, I used to love no gi when I started.
I started no gi and then Istarted getting choked out all
the time in the gi and then itchanged my whole perspective.
Now I don't even I do not likeno-gi.
Well, I do it, yeah, but I'mnot a big fan.
Do I love it?
It's still jiu-jitsu, no matterwhat right, it's still, you
know, wrestling no-gi, jiu-jitsu, jiu-jitsu, sambo.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
As long as you can, you know, still roll and hunt
the submission, I'm all for itregardless.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So yeah, you know do you think that one has more
depth?
Oh yeah, the gi for sure.
There's so many more grips,more variables, especially from
the guard, like in nogi you wantto be on top 100 and in the gi
you want to be on bottom.
Yeah, so it's just different.
But yeah, the is way deeper,way more stuff to like, deal
with for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, and I, and, and , and I noticed even with myself
, like sometimes when I'm, whenI'm sizing people up in real
life, I'm looking for a belt, aleather belt around the waist.
Oh yeah, Because that thatsimulates a lot right there for
for me to grab a hold of.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
A lot of a lot of parents come in and they say, oh
well, you only do the uniform.
I say yeah, and they say, oh no, we don't want to do it.
Then we want no gi because wewant it for self-defense.
And that boggles my mind,because I'm like, well, every
fight I've been into in myentire life I was wearing
clothes, right, literally.
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I don't think I've ever foughtsomeone, unless I'm showering
and someone comes in and they'renaked too and we have to start
fighting.
Then maybe for myself that'llcome in handy, but until then, I
mean I'm, I've always.
I mean everything you wearcould be, you know, especially
if you're used to the grips.
It's, it's crazy, yeah for sureyou know.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
so you know it's crazy for me because I have a
real life story about that and,um, I you know you want things
to be instinctual.
When they happen like I shouldbe like two to three beers into
something, feeling a little bitof a buzz, but not completely
drunk, and be able to bereactionary.
Yeah, and I actually had thathappen to me once where a guy
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tried to jump in on a friend ofmine and he went, she tried to
blow past me like I grabbed allof him, simply just judo, threw
him to the ground and then,naturally, without even thinking
about it, thumb inside of thepolo shirt, the reinforced
collar of that polo shirt, ohyeah, cross-collar choke.
And it was like and afterwards,like all my other friends are,
(27:11):
they were calling me a trunkmonkey because I came out of
nowhere.
And they're like, oh, how'd youdo that?
It was so instinctual.
And I'm like, yeah, that'straining man, that's how you
want it to happen, that's howyou want it to go down Muscle
memory.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah Well, and at the end of the day, a lot of us
train jiu-jitsu because we dotournaments and it's fun to do,
but at and think of all therules that are in the sport of
Jiu-Jitsu are all taken away.
It makes Jiu-Jitsu very deadly.
Yeah, very deadly, because youcan I mean you can end it quick.
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You could end it.
The options are endless.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Especially because we train full blast.
It's hard to train any othermartial art full blast without
major injuries.
Like if you train stand up fullblast, you're going to go home
with headaches.
Right, we can go into jiu-jitsutrain full blast every single
day and we'll we'll be fine.
So we get to train at like ahigher intensity.
So when it actually goes down,we're gonna be sharp.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And the good thing about jiu-jitsu that a lot of
people don't realize is versus,like, let's say, striking or
something is there is nopuncher's chance in jiu-jitsu.
Right, right, you can train alittle boxing or have muay thai,
but if, let's say, the guyyou're fighting is a decent
street fighter and he's got somehands and you, you're gonna get
punched in a fight, right.
But if you never train jujitsuand you fight someone who knows
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jujitsu, you ain't gonna getlucky and be like oh I, I hit a
sweep, or there's no way.
No, there's no way.
So far off the charts.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I mean you know, and I definitely agree with that,
you're right.
I mean you could take a swingand get a lucky hit.
But I mean it's hard to do thatin Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu if you
can't even put yourself inposition to win.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
You can't bridge, you can't hip escape, you don't
know how to deal with grips,jiu-jitsu, especially with the
uniform, right that you're.
You're light years ahead of anormal white belt, who's not
even a white belt yet, right?
They're not even taking thatstep to be a white belt, right?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
so yeah I want to ask you guys man, there's been some
controversy about uh allowingheel hooks and leg locks with
lower belts in their divisionsfor some of these tournaments.
What's your guys' stance onthat?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I'll let you take it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I don't really know.
I mean, I think it's hard.
I definitely don't think whitesor blue belts should be doing
it, but in purple belt you'restarting to get elite level.
I think purple belts could doit.
But it just depends on what gymyou're at, because our gym we
don't really teach that much inclass.
We don't really do much no-giat Mike's gym.
So it's like if our guys go outthere to go compete and all
these other guys are doing that,then our guys are going to be
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behind.
But I mean, they just got to beuniversal.
You got to know whattournaments we're going to do,
got to train to that rule setExactly.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah.
What are your thoughts on that,Mike?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I mean, I think it's good, it keeps everyone safe,
but I think you should stillteach your students so, if they
ever because, like I said, noteverything is always going to be
in the street, I mean in the,in the arena, right around the
mats.
So you got to almost prepareyour students for everything in
a way.
But no, okay, well, this iswhat you can and can't do, right
, but if you have to, you canuse this, right.
(30:20):
So those are things I think youshould go over with them.
But safety is always an issuetoo, because sometimes people
don't know how hard to go.
But that's why you have toteach them and say, hey, you
can't do this, but this is howyou do it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Or you escape, especially because if you start
teaching white belts how to heelhook and they're going to open
mat somewhere else and thisother white boy doesn't know how
to heel hook and he obliterateshis knee now that's a nightmare
yeah, and then, like I said, alot of these people are
hobbyists, so they're not tryingto, you know, and then they
have to go to work and it's just, and they're not going to train
jujitsu, probably anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
They're going to be done.
They're going to say my wife'snot going to let me train, so or
whoever.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, I want to kind of kind of echo, like off of
what you're saying, because Ihave personally trained at so
many different gyms and I'veseen like the wild west and I've
seen controlled competitiontraining as well and for a lot
of folks out there, a lot ofwhite belts out there, some of
them are so untamed they're likea wild horse, yeah for sure,
(31:20):
and you have to really becareful with that, you have to
really watch that and, like yousaid, you have to protect your
own students out there.
When you hit the mat fortraining or competition, do you
think there's a switch in yourhead that flips with your
overall mindset?
Like when you, when you guys,get into competition mode here,
you're getting ready to go toVegas to go compete.
Is there something when you hitthe mat?
(31:41):
That's a personal mindset thatyou like to take in?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I just like to be like I guess how they call it
flow state.
I just try to clear my head,just control my breathing, just
stay calm, and I'm going to goout there and my body's going to
do what it does.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I guess everybody's a little bit different.
We talked about that last time,don't we?
So, outside of the technique,what do you try to instill in
your students or some of theyounger guys that are in at your
school?
What's some of the, I guess,personality character traits
that you try to instill in someof the kids?
That you have Grit.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
How to face adversity .
Yeah, just like, have the dog,yeah, you know what I mean.
Like they say you can't teachthat, but I've.
We've had a lot of peoplewalking to our gym and I've seen
complete changes in them.
Like I'm talking, it's justsuch an amazing thing.
So I think teaching people howto have great adversity, like
just, yeah, we're known to gopretty hard at our gym, like we
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have really tough guys.
So they, you, just we eitherpick it up and run with it or
you end up leaving.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So yeah, no, I've seen a lot of guys grow over the
years, man.
I've seen guys come in as softas pillows, and now they're, and
now they're as tough as nails.
Yeah, sure, absolutely, sure,absolutely, absolutely.
And I'm like, and here I amjust getting older, year after
year.
These guys are in theirthirties, like getting ready to
reach the reach, their peak, youknow.
So I want to, I want to take apause right now and see if I can
(33:10):
switch this screen over,because I want to do a couple of
um, uh, commentaries.
Sure, with this.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I don't know what this one here.
No kids were hurt on this video, that's the wrestler right
there.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I thought I had him.
All I know is form tackling,but his technique started to
take over.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
I was the most tired I've ever been in my life.
Yeah, at this point I'm playingfootball.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I was done after this , but the crowd hyped me into
another round, so we went againand I got cooked yeah, that's
technique right there,regardless, love though it's a
humbling experience when you,you know, never been in contact
with a sport like that wrestlingor jujitsu or judo and you face
even a woman or a little kidand they whoop your ass and
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you're like, damn, I just got myass beat by a 13 year old and
that never happened to me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
But I've seen it happen.
I've been the 13 year old.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That's been pretty nice yeah it is true, so watch
this one here.
This is, uh, you guys know, weswatson oh god, I I think I've
seen this.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
This guy's a real douche took, did his jujitsu on
him.
Then the guy's gonna come backand duct tape his family.
Okay, you don't want to fuckwith the wrong people, and the
wrong people out here in theworld are not pro fighters.
You guys need to wake up.
These are very big time squares.
Pro fighters are the epitome ofsquares.
(34:32):
They're like come in the ringand I'll fight you.
The people I grew up with andwent to prison with.
They don't give a fuck about aring.
They don't give a fuck ifthey're on camera and give a
fuck if they have to fuckinglive the rest of their life in
prison.
You will not beat them.
They will not take a loss.
You guys live in a fantasyworld where pro fighters aren't
the biggest squares on theplanet.
(34:53):
Ufc fighting is gay.
Like all that shit, like MMAfighting and all that shit is
for people who never really werein fights, like they never
whooped ass their whole life.
So they're always like I'mgoing to train and fight, like
I've always just handled shit.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So I'm convinced that a lot of these guys cause this
guy here is part of a group ofinfluencers that just say shit.
They just say things, they putit out there and they don't care
if it even makes sense or ifit's even correct.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Deep down.
That guy's a pussy bro.
100%.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh, he totally is Like I don't care if he's been
to prison or not.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
The thing is, how are you going to say professional
fighters?
That's what they do, and a lotof those guys who are
professional fighters can alsotake it the same distance.
Yeah, professional fighterscould also take it that same
distance.
Yeah, not only.
And think about this, they mayhave a gang right.
These guys that train jujitsu.
We have all our teammates train, right, we have friends who
train.
We.
We, technically, are a gangright.
Right, like you want to battlea bunch of guys who've been to
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prison off.
If you've been to prison,that's fine, but it's having
that mentality of, oh, justbecause I went to prison, I've
been in a few fistfights, thatthat makes me super hardened and
tough.
That don't make you shit.
Training breaks you down,builds you up, teaches you how
to be losing every day and comeback this guy don't know shit.
That guy has an ego.
I would actually like to fight.
This guy bare knuckle at anymoment.
(36:15):
So if I run into him, please,I'll fight it Anytime.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Because I always just extinguish the problem, however
I had to.
So the point is is like that'sfor people who, like, never
could really fight, they had togo learn to fight.
I mean people who just handlebusiness, they don't have to
learn to fight.
There's a difference betweenfighters and violent people.
You should really stay awayfrom violent people, because it
doesn't matter how good you areat fighting, when they want to
take it to the level, they'lltake you out, and so there's a
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huge difference here.
You guys have it allmisconstrued.
Fighting is some weird sportsshit.
That is all these people do andit has nothing to do with
violence, because a violentperson will end your life, and
this is the thing.
You guys need to quit thinkingthat ufc people are going to be
able to fuck around with violentmotherfuckers, because a
violent motherfucker won't lose,he won't take it and you'll be
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like wait, put the gloves on andhe's not going to hear it and
it's going to be a problem foryou.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
This guy's never trained a day in his life.
He would he like he would behumbled.
Why?
Are you talking?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
about gloves.
If a pressure, if aprofessional fighter goes
outside with you and there is nogloves, you're going to go bare
knuckle.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, meet Nick Diaz out in the street.
He's not going to say put onthe gloves, I'm going to say
bare knuckle, fight you, or theymight even pull out a gun and
shoot you too.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
There's still people who cause violence.
Elbowing someone's face withtechnique is violence.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Like suplexing someone on their head is
violence.
Yeah, this guy sounds scaredlike if you, if mike tried to
fight him, he'd probably pullout a gun and try to shoot.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, usually, though , when that's like what they
call peacocking, right, wheresomeone tries to be like, say
stuff and be real brash, thosepeople are the softest people
around.
You know, people who talk shitthe loudest usually are wimps,
right?
So people who are quiet andhumble are the people you want
to worry about.
You know, because they're, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
They got nothing to prove, no doubt, so I'll show
you this next one here.
I don't know if you guys haveseen this one or not.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
This guy used Brazilian jiu-jitsu to defend
his daughter from aggressors.
Imagine if he didn't know howto fight.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, this is my dad.
They're fighting right now, mydad, just I'm 19.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Think about it, just control.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That was really nice of him what he did, he could
have turned that situationextremely violent.
You know, I'm saying like ohyeah, yeah, that guy didn't
train, he probably startedthrowing punches.
Probably not that guy out,maybe kill him somehow.
Yeah and it goes to prison.
But no, he controlled.
It, controlled the situation.
Family safe, he's safe, thatguy's safe.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I want to show you this out.
Show you this one right heretoo.
All right, this guy trains atthe gym.
No, I'm just kidding.
I don't know here what's what'sup, break my arm you're getting
charges from gas out.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Hold it and look at it, fully depleted of all new
tricky jobs no, I fucking beensupposed to be why?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
because I own the fucking building okay, I gotta
recognize you're getting evictednow, really just relaxing on
top, just kind of hanging outthere.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
But you guys see that that's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I don't think either of those guys trained, to be
honest.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah no, I mean.
But I mean, for the big guyactually did a pretty.
Yeah, he was all.
They had him some dude, youknow.
But so this one here I got into.
I got into some uh, troublewith online because I, if I'm
wrong, I'm wrong, but I want youguys to watch this and I want
you to tell me what you honestlythink about this.
This person posts a lot, andI'm not saying they don't know
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what they're doing, but I thinkthere's a difference between,
like when someone is postingsomething because they want
clicks, versus they're postingsomething because they believe
it really works.
So tell me what you think aboutthis.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
If someone grabs you, like this step to parallel with
him.
Now bring your arm straightabove your head and back and the
key is to grip just above theelbow joint, palm to palm, to
break that arm.
And if you don't have the angleto go for this, it means his
elbow is perfectly positionedfor you to pull it the opposite
way.
Now hyperextend the elbow forthe break.
Stay safe out there.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I don't know about that one.
I can it working, but you wouldhave to, your timing would have
to be so perfect and that'slike.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's like just basic, like jujitsu old school
fundamentals, if I'm notmistaken right like so this,
this is my take on this righthere and this and you guys are
way more advanced than I am, butto me, like if you get to this
spot right here and you go to dothis like loop-de-loop thing
under stress and anxiety, understress and anxiety, you've got
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like 0.3 seconds before you eata fist from this other arm.
That's just hanging there.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
You're a hundred percent right.
It's almost, but it's almostlike she's doing it, like it's
like a sport, like, oh, he's notgoing to punch me, right?
These are things that you wantto close the distance as close
as possible Right here, If hehas your hair, yeah.
Or look look at his head andher face there's a headbutt, oh,
exactly Five, ten inches away,yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I mean, and now he has an underhook, so now he's in
a body hugger and suplexer, hecan pull her closer, say that
like she's not showing anything.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
That could work.
But I mean, that's nothing thatI would show for self-defense,
that's especially to a woman.
Yeah, I mean, if someone grabsyour hair like that, you would
want to get as close to them aspossible.
You don't want them pullingyour hair out or controlling.
You'd want to be to where theycan't yank you.
You'd want to be body lockingthem or to their back,
especially if you know jujitsu,that's we'd want to be.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's going to be the spot we could put him to
sleep, you know another thing,too, is like when you're
teaching like self-defense andthings like that, you want to
get people used to getting loudand yelling because if you're
like in a dark alley or aroundthe corner or something, you
want to wake up the neighborhoodlike you want to.
You don't want to quietly wrapyour arm around somebody else's
a much bigger man's arm andthink that you're going to give
them some half-ass, like kimurathat.
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So I made a comment that thiswas not real and like literally
there was probably 300 commentsback to me saying that I was
just an asshole and I'm I Idon't know what I'm talking
about and I'm just like come on,man, I'm not going to let you
do that to my arm.
Yeah, I'm going to underhookyou and I'm gonna throw you and
slam you on the ground andthey're not just going to grab
your hair.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Someone actually wants to take you.
They're gonna wrap their armsaround your body.
Yeah, try to slam you, take yousomewhere or pull you backward
yeah, grab here and let youstand up.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
They're gonna grab you and yank you to the floor,
knock you off balance.
Like I said, not to say thatit's not something that could
work, but the cleanest thingabout that video was the elbow,
and the elbow you'd want tothrow from, just like a Thai
boxing position.
You know it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
And that was kind of my point to that was but of
course all these other peoplewas, you know, making these
comments on it or whatever.
So, okay, cool.
So I'm glad you guys kind ofagree with me on that one.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I just want to know what you guys think about these
new little boot camps that arepopping up.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
That's like the, it's like those navy seal like right
up over there, sick of thisshit, spent the fucking hour.
You guys don't want to listenright over here our soldiers or
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anything.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
They're just doing this.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
You guys haven't seen this no, never you guys haven't
seen this.
No, never you guys haven't seenthis.
No, this looks really fuckingstupid.
It does.
It's pissing me off.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So this is the new craze.
They've got these fucking NavySEAL guys, special Forces guys,
and what they'll do is they'llmake up these little fake boot
camps and there's some here inthe Inland Empire and I've
argued with people about itbecause I think this is bullshit
and so you've got these guysthat never served in the
military, never have doneanything tough in their life,
and what they'll do is they'llpay these former military people
(43:52):
to put them through a makeshiftmock-up book like Navy SEAL
training boot camp or some shitlike that, and they'll just
degrade them the whole time.
And they pay like $10,000 to dothis, and I thousand dollars.
Dude, they pay big money forthis shit.
We can do this, dude, and so,so, anyway, so it's, it's like,
completely degraded.
(44:13):
The thing is there's adifference, because I have a
friend who went through one inflorida, but the one that he
went through was religious based, and so what they do is they
put you in teams and you'reexpected to come together as a
team to overcome obstacles.
These things here which I'llshow you, they literally just,
they just like.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Southern California weather.
You told your family I'm goingto sunny Southern California.
Look what happened.
Talk to people in your lifethat don't need to be there.
Even if it's your father, yourmother, fuck that don't don't
need to be there.
Even if it's your father, yourmother, fuck them you don't need
them.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
You got us.
You don't fucking need themanymore that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Hold on.
I mean, these guys have got tobe the most, not even beta like
charlie males and these are guysthat just like.
Why would you pay for this bro?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
go, just go lift weights.
Or go to a jiu-jitsu gym orfuck it.
Go learn karate.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I guarantee you take these guys who just got done
with this, put them in a jitsclass.
They can't even last two rounds, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I mean honestly, if I met this guy face-to-face, I
would tell him that this isbullshit, this is ridiculous,
and I've actually gotten into itwith people before about it,
people that defend this kind ofstuff and I'm like, no, I mean,
look, absolutely stupid at theend of the day, you can spend
your money doing whatever youlike, but that's supposed to
make you an alpha.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's gonna make you a douche.
I got you another one righthere.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Look at this you don't fucking deserve to be here
fucking quit.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
You, piece of shit.
I want to be a better man.
I want to be a better husband.
I want to be a better father.
I want to be a better man.
I want to be a better husband.
I want to be a better father.
I want to be a better.
You fucking whiny piece of shit.
I mean it's not a.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
You deserve to be here.
That's how I teach classes.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Dude, I mean these people.
I mean I don't know if it's$10,000.
I mean people pay good money.
I'll look it up, but people paygood money for this.
And they will put for like aweek or so.
Make you a real man come out.
Still, you better move with afucking purpose.
Belly what.
Look at that feet.
You know the sad thing is.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
You know the sad thing is, I know, I know guys
that would probably take up thisoffer right here I mean no
offense to these guys, but, bro,this is like the opposite of
alpha, this is like beta maleshit.
This is like them peeing andspitting on you and you paying
them money yeah, they'resupposed to make you a man so
you can go home and be a goodfamily man and respectable.
You're going to be a fatherafter doing this shit.
(46:28):
Go to church, go to JetsExactly, you're good.
You need Jesus in your lifeguys Gosh.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
This is what tells me that the human race has reached
its apex.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Those guys are making a full-blown living driving
raptors and shit, doing this topeople.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's crazy.
Yeah, this is back.
No, hurry up.
Look at the guys doing it,though feet, it's back.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Get over here.
Have them on the podcast.
Where's you, you fucking slow?
Get over here, fucking.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
I'm joking never, heard of that shit sit down, sit
down right here, maybe chrisyou two are gonna share this.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
this is crazy to me All of you start crawling, Start
crawling.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
Start shrimping, start shrimping, you're going to
crawl and suffer until you'redone with that cookie, until the
both of you are done sharingthat fucking cookie.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Start my own cookies.
The sad thing is that there'speople that I know that think
this is cool.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
And they think that this would be cool to sign up
for.
I'd rather go on a camping tripwith my buddies.
Don't do this here you go yeah,well, so they do a little
jiu-jitsu.
I never experienced that.
It looks like it, yeah.
So I mean, I just said I neverexperienced.
Did he really say that?
Yeah, oh, look at theinstructors, bro, they probably
they're just, they're justdestroying them.
Oh, is that what they?
Yeah, those are the instructorsbeating these guys bitch and
the beast.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
The bitch is the inner critic, the beast is the
advocate.
The advocate supports you,roots you on, cheers for you,
but the critic, your inner bitch, is always doubting you and
telling you that you can't andthat you've done enough, and to
set lower goals and expectationsof yourself.
When I go into into the gymevery morning, I go to war with
my body.
I go to war with the weights.
I go to war with my mindset,with that bitch voice in my head
(48:08):
that says put the weights down,you've done enough sets and
reps.
And I know you're like damn bro, that sounds intense.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It feels like they're making followers instead of
leaders.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, exactly, isn't that weird?
And you know that that happenshere, like right right out here
in the inland empire there's,there's a place out there maybe
I'll check it out I don't know.
I thought that.
I thought this one was funnyand this one's uh, I know this
guy.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I don't know him personally, but I know like his
instagram and shit.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
I don't know who needs to hear this but I'm not
going to your 6 am fuckingjujitsu class.
What are you?
A fucking vampire?
No, I guys know who that is.
No, I sleep bro.
I got things that go onthroughout the day.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Six AMs for me, bro.
Yeah, I'm sleeping.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I just thought, that was funny.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Oh, that guy's funny.
I like his videos.
He's really cool.
Yeah, oh, here we go, here wego.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
This is what every dad needs.
To see this right here.
Every dad needs to can see thisbecause this is this is right
here.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
When somebody just slaps your kid like that.
You know I've seen anothervideo where that something like
that happens.
Could you imagine?
Yeah, I don't do?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
what would you do if someone smacked, smacked your
daughter like that right?
Right in front of you, it'd beover probably kill her.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, probably go to prison.
I'd be very upset, honestly,you know.
Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn'tlike that's why that, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
That's why I appreciate the dads that
actually I shouldn't say dadsthe moms too.
Um, that then, the parents thatjust train, they don't just
send their kid out there andyell stupid shit from the
sidelines, but they actuallyknow.
Like, does that annoy you ever?
Like whenever, whenever parentsare yelling things that they
really don't understandthemselves, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Professor Lucas used to have a thing that said if you
want to coach your kid, you gotto take some classes first.
So if you've never trainedjujitsu, you can't sit here and
say it because you don't knowthe hardships it takes to do
jujitsu.
Right, just get up, get the kidoff you.
Well, the kid's been training awhile, he's your kid's not
getting up, right, it's histhird class.
You gotta he's gotta be patient.
(50:12):
You gotta be encouraging toyour child, right?
Can't?
Oh, you should have just got upand tried, okay.
Well then, let me get on top ofyou and you get up and try.
I had a buddy.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I had a buddy like that who, uh, whose kid would
wrestle?
And when he would yell at hiskid and the guy never wrestled
before.
And I'd tell him, like you know, you've, you don't even know
what you're talking about,you're just screaming.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
You're not even saying anything.
I mean, having passion for yourkid is good, but one thing if
they're out there and enduringit and going through the
hardships and you have to besupportive, you can't be a jerk.
They don't not want to do it.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
You know exactly all right, let me.
Oh, you know, I didn't know Icould just do this.
This is funny, that's right,you got someone.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
You got someone your shirt, that's right.
What do you want?
I just wonder what we did inmath.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Well, that's funny.
All those shots he's hittingthat dude will do nothing but
piss me off.
Let me see, I'm dead serious.
Legit there it is.
That last one was actually thelast one was the most legit
thing he did it was yeah,actually, you know how to get up
properly.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
That's some funny shit.
All right, let me check out onemore.
Oh, I want to show you this one, and then, and then, and then.
This will be it, this will beit.
Watch, look.
And I just want to get you guysto comment on this.
Okay, I just want to think okay, so you got pepper sprayed.
This is, this is, uh, some typeof law enforcement training
like for corrections orsomething.
There's no sound on this one,not even I mean.
(51:29):
Yeah, so have you guys beenpepper?
Speaker 3 (51:31):
sprayed before, never .
I accidentally pepper sprayedmyself one time so I got.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
So I I've been oc sprayed before and involuntarily
it does shut down, it just shutdown, it just shut your eyes.
So like when I went through myscenarios, I had to like hold my
eye open like this and thenlike use the baton and you got
to fight through it.
You know what I mean.
But in this case, right here,like she just like I mean that
(51:58):
just looks really pathetic, likeshe completely swung and she
missed with the baton.
Her hand hurt, her hand hurtsnow from hitting the fucking pad
, like you know you're fired.
Like like if this was real life, like you really would be just
dead right.
Yeah, and I know there's novolume on this one, but this one
here they're like cheering heron and stuff, just like.
(52:24):
I just want to take it back tothe beginning, though.
Over here, like the guyoverseeing it.
Exactly that's funny look atthat, like he's an instructor
here.
I'll show you how it's donereally.
I mean, he's like three peopleall in one set of clothing.
I'm gonna be mean, but like,bro, like where's the standard
set?
This is what you put in frontof your people.
(52:45):
I don't know this.
This whole scenario justbothered me.
I wish there were some actualsound on this one, but there's
not, sorry oh, you're good,that's funny bro all right.
So anyways, in closing, I'mgonna make sure I clean up all
those, all those uh videos andand do a little smoother next
time, and uh that we're do it.
Juno yo, before we round thingsout, man, what do you think of
(53:06):
the pod, of the pod of beingback in la your upcoming
competition?
This?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
pod is dope, bro, this room is sick, but uh, being
in la is nice, man, it's alwaysgood to come back, train, teach
, be at the guys out here.
No, I miss all these guys outhere, but gotta be back with my
family right now.
But it's been good, bro, can'twait to compete.
Haven't competed since February.
Just kind of had some bad lucklately with being sick or
injured.
So yeah, mitch, and get backout there.
(53:32):
Are you how long in town for?
Probably till Monday, sunday,monday.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I appreciate you stopping by, man and let me give
you a quick interview andeverything.
And you know, hopefully, ifdown the road, man, you never
know, maybe we can Mike getsinto a bigger spot, we'll set a
podcast studio in there andwe'll have everything set up.
And yeah, that'd be dope.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I was kind of nervous for this one.
But no, why, I don't know.
Just ever been on a pod, neverhad a microphone in my face,
cameras in my face, you lookgood man, it's a little
different.
You look good, I think.
I think it went well.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Do you have, do you have any messages for anyone
that uh listen to this.
That's part of your, a part ofyour crew.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Just my brothers.
Man, I love my brothers, youknow they're in it with me.
No, we're trying to open mybrothers AJ and Jesse.
What's with the name?
The name Farallon.
It means high, dwelling likesteep cliffs.
It's kind of a metaphor forjujitsu Always climbing the
(54:30):
cliff, trying to get higher, getbetter.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
So is your gym open now or no?
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, still trying to talk to the investors and all
that stuff, but the ball shouldget rolling pretty fast soon
hopefully.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So once you do get started, we'll talk about that
next time, I'm sure there'sgonna be a lot of things that
you don't know, that you'regonna know.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, a lot of uh bumps in the road I'm sure to
come, but gotta overcome it yeahwell, you're in great hands
with uh magic mike over here ohyeah, definitely got a good
mentor yeah, what do you think,mike?
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I love it.
I love everything.
I mean I'm.
I love california.
You know I the gym has broughtin nothing but great people,
including yourself.
You came in random and everyoneI've great friendships with.
Having Juno always down isgreat, because when he comes
down he always teaches.
Everyone loves to learn fromhim, so it helps me out and,
(55:19):
yeah, makes everybody better.
You know, like I said, it's,it's been a family thing for us
our whole lives.
You know my whole family trains, yeah, the way from my uh
youngest niece all the way to myoldest nephew, so we always uh
got it covered.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
So, yeah, yeah, man, no, I really.
I really appreciate both of youfor letting me come into your
gym and train.
Uh, like I said, I found youbecause, uh, I was picking up a
pizza.
I didn't know.
I think you just opened up, youdidn't have a banner up yet,
even no.
So it was uh, and things happenfor a reason, absolutely things
happen for a reason.
So one last question, and we'llround it off here.
But, uh, do you know if you hadto walk out for a super fight,
(55:56):
what's your anthem?
Speaker 2 (55:58):
oh, that's a hard one , something kid cuddy probably.
I'm a big kid cuddy fan, hey atnight.
Yeah, that's a hard one,something kid cuddy probably.
I'm a big kid cuddy fan, hey atnight that's a good one,
seriously or king wizard I wasjust kidding, I'm a little bit
of wizard myself.
Uh, or something by drake.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
I'm a big drake fan we got magic mike the magician,
and we have juno the wizard, orjudini is what they like to call
me.
That's right, they called youthat last time.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
But yeah, gave you a shout out, shout out, nate, you
just got his purple, belt.
Yeah, he got his purple beltlast night.
He's the boy, what.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, he got his purple belt last night.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
He's like family.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Nice.
I'm proud of him.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
He's like a brother.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
That's awesome oh yeah the redheaded, yeah, the
redheaded sibling, yeah,congrats, nate.
Good job, man.
Shit, nate's a tough dude.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
For sure, bro Nate's gonna be a savage.
I gotta get my licks now tillhe's banging with me soon.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
So yeah, absolutely he's gonna be.
He's gonna be.
Trouble is right now actually.
I mean, yeah, he's alreadytrouble, I know.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
I gotta turn it up to kind of put it on him he's
tough.
What's your anthem, mike?
Super fight.
You're walking out jeez,probably lmfao.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
No, you know, maybe I mean no, probably.
Uh, maybe california.
Speaker 6 (57:11):
Love by tupac oh yeah , that's a good one.
You know, I like it.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
I like to claim california now as my own, so
yeah, dude, those old schoolriffs, man, they, they have
never been replaced, never.
The kids today are listening tothem.
Yeah, damn right, all rightguys.
Well, hey, I want to say thankyou for joining me on the
podcast.
Man, we're going to have youback again.
I hope you guys are willing todo it again.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, there's some of them here for sure.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
Clean up the videos a little bit and we'll put
together a playlist and uh anddo some commentary.
Let's go.
I love it.
Thanks for having us manappreciate it.
It's always, uh, you alwaysmake us feel really welcome and,
you know, really appreciate it.
Thanks for believing in the, inour journey as well.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
So and yeah, too easy , man.
You guys are both like greatguys, man.
You guys definitely.
I think you gain a lot morerespect for people when you get
on the mats and you have themwhoop your ass and and so it's
like it's I look at peopledifferently, man, you know, oh
yeah, but anyways, hey, foreveryone else out there, thanks
for joining us.
I hope you guys learned alittle bit more about juno,
judini and uh and mike.
(58:13):
So thank you for joining us.
I appreciate you guys.
As always, I want you staytuned, stay focused and stay
motivated.
Warriors fall out.
Welcome to the Morning of discipline, struggle
and brotherhood, with BrazilianJiu-Jitsu.
Joining me in the studio aretwo true warriors.
I've got Brazilian Jiu-Jitsublack belt himself, mike Medina,
right here.
Say what's up?
Hello, hello, Thanks for havingme back.
Appreciate it, and hisbeautiful, handsome cousin, juno
Lucero.
What's up, guys?
As always, it's great to haveyou guys on the show.
(00:40):
Man, today we're getting intoeverything from Juno's journey
into Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, how ithelped shape his life, to some
of the most trending topics inthe Jiu-Jitsu world right now.
Whether you're a white belt,black belt or somewhere in
between, or you're justsearching for your purpose,
today's episode is definitelygoing to be for you.
So, juno, I just want to askyou man, let's get started from
(01:02):
the beginning.
Where did you grow up?
What kind of environment didyou grow up in?
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I grew up in albuquerque, rio rancho.
Rio rancho, albuquerque, newmexico, grew up there until I
was about 14.
I went to sacramento with mike,then from there I moved back to
rio rancho for a little bit,for like three months, then out
to, went to San Diego, back toLA.
Now I'm back in Rio Rancho, newMexico.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So tell me, how did you first get into Brazilian
Jiu-Jitsu man?
Was it something that Mike kindof brought you in on, or was it
something you got in on yourown?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
That was Mike.
He got me and my brother AJinto it and then from there just
ran with it.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
So, mike, what was it like convincing your family to
jump into it?
So, mike, what was it likeconvincing your family to jump
into it?
It was fairly easy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
The thing is they were already doing a lot of
stuff.
They were doing BMX and a lotof new cool things, and I was at
the time teaching jiu-jitsu anddoing Muay Thai and I said, hey
, you guys got to try this out.
And it started like every UFCfight or something, I would show
them a technique.
And it just grew, it just keptgrowing.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
And or something, I would show him a technique.
And it just grew, it just keptgrowing.
Juno was your cousin?
I guess not your cousin nephewuncle nephew.
You're a much older, more wiseruncle here.
Has he been someone that you'vealways looked up to?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, for sure.
He's always telling me fightstories, like street fights,
that he's been in All thesethings.
Me and my brother always lookedafter him, especially in
jujitsu.
He's beaten my ass for yearsnow.
I'm finally catching up, sothat's nice yeah, that sucks oh
really, mike, you're you'rereally humble man.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
You don't talk about um a whole lot of anything and
you pretend that you don't knowhow to do anything when it comes
to fighting, but talk to meabout the street fights he's
talking about.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Jeez.
Well, you know, albuquerque isa tough place to kind of grow up
, you know.
So you kind of either have tohandle you they're a victim,
right or you're going to be inthere like just defending
yourself.
So yeah, I just kind of ranwith a pretty good group.
I had, like I said, like like Isaid last time, I had boxed and
I had, you know, just justreally didn't take anything from
anybody.
You know, I wasn't one toreally take a lot of shit.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
So give me, give me one specific time that you
sticks out.
Listen, I know you have one,he's like.
I can tell by the look on yourface that you have one.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Yeah, I got a few fight story.
I got a good one.
So, um, it was my friend AJ'sgirlfriend's birthday, so we had
a little house party and it wasme, my friend Mitch, my friend
Drew, a couple good buddies ofmine had a great night.
It was a big party.
Everyone was vibing, having agood time, and the night started
(03:37):
winding down.
And keep in mind when I tellyou this, me and all my friends
were wearing emo clothes.
We had tight jeans on, did notlook like we knew how to protect
ourselves for sure.
Night went down.
My buddy knew he was with meand my buddy Mitch who can you
know, who are kind of knownaround for protecting ourselves,
(03:57):
if you will he was in the.
My buddy Mitch was in the backtelling a story to a group of
girls about how a street fightthat he was in and at the same
time I look over and my buddydrew is getting into an
altercation with these guys, andthere was about four of them.
So I run back, open the door, Iget my buddy Mitch, we run out
and it was.
It was, it was like a movie.
My buddy looked at me and hesaw my boy Mitch and he just
like punched the first dude andthen a pandemonium broke out at
(04:26):
that point.
But my end, I end up suplexinga guy onto a table and like it
was just really bad.
It was really bad.
Yeah, my buddies did work, butyou know it was not easy that
night which were you everworried about?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
like, especially in albuquerque, new mexico, those
rural areas, man like weaponsare a thing like, were you ever
worried about that coming out?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
yeah, you, it's always in the back of my mind,
but at that moment now, I wasjust.
You know who's this like in thezone.
Yeah, I was just.
I was just in the moment so,yeah, what about?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
what about you, juno?
I mean, have you been in theany altercations where you're
like having to deal with peopleand fighting, or have you been
kind of a cleaner path?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
definitely inner path , mike, for sure.
Yeah, like I've done jiu-jitsusince I was like eight, did
wrestling since I was like fiveor six.
So everyone I went to schoolwith always knew I did some type
of martial art, so no onereally wanted to mess with me.
So I mean I went like bodies inthe bathroom for my homes and
shit like that, but nothing asbrutal as Mike, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
So was there a turning point in your?
Speaker 2 (05:31):
life, maybe a challenge or a moment of clarity
that made you commit fully tothe path of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu,
because you're very competitive.
Honestly, just the thought ofhaving to work a job and have to
go to work every day.
Because Jiu-Jitsu is not a jobto me, it's something I love.
So every time I do it I'm notworking at all.
Anytime I teach a class, it'snot I'm not working, is what I
love.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
So that's kind of why I chose it.
Yeah, that's actually really.
That's actually really huge man.
People ask me sometimes likewhether I like my job, and I'm
just kind of like, what kind ofquestion is that?
Who likes who likes their job?
I don't know, I don't knowanybody that really likes their
job.
I mean, very few people do.
So.
You are blessed with that and Iwant to ask you, how is you
jitsu impacted your life outsidethe gym, mentally, emotionally
(06:09):
and spiritually?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I just feel like I'm super calm.
So every time I go train I getall my energy out.
So anytime I'm like dealingwith someone at the store who's
like being annoying, I'm justkind of like it is what it is.
You know, I get cut off intraffic.
I'm like just where it ispretty calm, Pretty calm guy
because of jiu-jitsu I think.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah, and Mike, I want to ask you, man Early on I
didn't ask you this last time, Ithink last time we asked a
question about if you couldbring anyone back, who would you
train with or who would youroll against, or something like
that.
It was a question like that.
But talk to me about your earlytraining days.
Who are some of the key mentors, or?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
people that helped sharpen your tools.
When it comes to the mats, wow,I got pretty fortunate.
There was a lot of guys, a lotof wrestlers, I could say when I
first started influenced mygrappling for sure.
So there was a guy named LennyLovato.
He was state champion, hiscousin, this guy from Montana
named Derek Asher.
He really taught me that if Ilearned jujitsu I'd be a lot
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more dangerous than justprimarily wrestling, if that
makes sense.
So I would watch this guy comein and he was doing jujitsu,
submitting these guys that weresuper high-level wrestlers and I
was like man, that's impressive.
So I'd say him and Ray, yee, heruns.
I think it was Albuquerquekickboxing at the time.
He gave me the chance to teachand really opened my eyes to
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martial arts.
So all them played a huge factin where I'm at today for sure.
Yeah, what about?
Speaker 1 (07:38):
you Gino.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Early on my uncle, obviously my first coach, barata
.
He was at Gracie Baja back then.
Now he has his own gym SmartJits.
After that, kahlo, kahlo Lopezhe was my probably.
He gave me my yellow belt allthe way up to my green belt.
But the biggest one is probablyCabrinha, out here in LA.
I'd say he probably shaped mygame the most for sure.
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And then Keenan I was atKeenan's for a while, but most
for sure.
And then, uh, keenan, I was atkeenan's for a while, but uh,
I'd say andre spunovsky, youprobably showed me a lot of
stuff.
He gave me a lot of insight onhow to like compete and stuff
like that.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
So right, so when are you planning on competing next?
I know we just came back fromlong beach, the world's long
beach.
Uh, what, what's your next?
Uh, what's your next plan overthe horizon?
Speaker 2 (08:20):
I think we're all going to be doing, uh, american
nationals me, mike, nate, mybrothers aj and jesse, so that
should be fun, little littlecrew going out there to american
nationals in las vegas, nice.
When's that happening?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
june 24th to the 26th , or 26 to the 28th, or
something like that so are youguys planning on cutting any
weight, or are you just gonna goin and where you're at I'm
gonna cut some weight.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
I got a little overweight recently so I gotta,
I gotta shed some pounds, butyou know I I could do it so
where you at right now oh geez,right now I'm like 185.
What a fat ass, I know no, dude185.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
I wish I was 185.
Still, what Juno.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think I might cut to 141.
I'm sitting right at 150 rightnow, so a nine-pound cut it's
not too bad.
We'll see, though.
I might stay at feather, thoughthat's fair.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
That's fair.
Have you guys ever plateaued,mentally or physically, where
you questioned on whether or notyou were going to continue?
If so, how did you push throughthat?
Who wants to take that one youcould take?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
that you know yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
There's a lot of times in training where you just
like get beat up.
Like for a week in a row yousay, man, I'm don't feel like
I'm getting better, but you justgot to keep going.
Because you don't realize thatwhen you're training with all
these guys, you see them everysingle day, so you don't realize
that they're getting better asyou're getting better, so that
you don't see your growth asmuch.
But once you kind of step backand just keep going, you'll,
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you'll get out of that bunkAbsolutely.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Have you guys ever taken like a long break before
and tried to try and tried tocome back and had to and had
some problems with that?
Speaker 3 (09:54):
I did, I did, I took, I think, two years off, because
I hit a plateau.
I felt that it was like thatmonumental moment you reach
where it's like is thissomething that I'm doing for the
right reasons or am I just, youknow, being selfish, right?
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So yeah, yeah, mike, we talked last time, man, and it
sounds like you you've had lifelike just hit you in the face
before.
Yeah, like you know, likefailed marriages and and or a
failed marriage and just goingthrough those emotions and
everything like that, whereasyou know, was brought up in
jiu-jitsu and and has kind oflived his life through that way.
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But when life hits you, man,jiu-jitsu has always been there
for me, um, as far as keeping mein the middle somewhere in the
middle there, um, and keeping mementally exhausted enough to
where I'm not doing stupid shit.
But how do you personallydefine the difference between,
um, a belt rank and a real levelof maturity on the mats?
Who wants that one?
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go ahead jenna, I'm sure youhave a lot of students and stuff
right and you have like,because I'm gonna tell you right
now, like I've especially earlyon, like in 2008, 2009, 2010,
when I first started, there wereguys that were high ranking but
were completely immature, likeguys that would just blow your
knees out, you know, blow yourshoulder out, usually as a
grappling dummy, and there'sjust no maturity there.
But what would you?
Speaker 2 (11:11):
yeah, for sure.
I mean the belt doesn't reallysay who you are as a person, you
know, right, you could be ablack belt but be a white belt
as a person.
So I mean, it's just about theperson.
I feel like belts don't reallymatter, like I could be a white
belt and still be as good as Iam now, you know.
But I feel like belts don'treally matter, like I could be a
white belt and still be as goodas I am now, you know.
But I feel like jujitsu, if youlearn it from the right person,
they also teach you how to be aman as well.
And some people don't have that.
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They just kind of go into theroom, they just kind of brawl it
out and they're not reallytrying to like get better as a
person.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
So I mean you guys have probably had people walk
into the gym before and actuallylike you know, maybe wearing a
purple belt or a blue belt orwhatever, but then they started
destroying everybody, right, andthen you have to kind of like
hey, like tone it down, and haveyou guys dealt with that before
?
Speaker 3 (11:53):
I have not very often .
Usually everyone who comes inis very respectful, you know,
and nice.
But we've had, we've had smallinstances at, you know, someone
visiting from out of town andwith Nate.
They were kind of going at itwith Nate and, yeah, we kind of
had a little situation where Ihad to tune this guy up for not
being respectful.
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What happened?
What happened Is that the guyyou put in a triangle yeah, it
wasn't even that, it was like aflying I jumped off the wall and
caught him in a choke.
It was crazy.
Well, jumped off the wall andcaught him in like a choke, it
was crazy.
I well, he came in, he was likealready telling me oh, I'm an
mma fighter, and blah, blah,blah.
And I said, hey, that's fine,you know, come on in and I'm
very welcoming for people whotrain with us.
Know that I, you know, we, Iteach my guys when someone comes
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in we don't go hard, you know,we match their speed, we try to
like be there.
But, um, anyway, he was uh, kindof going hard on everybody and
Nate at the time was a whitebelt, so he was kind of just
getting his like the feel forjujitsu and they just kind of
started going off and as soon asI saw him throw a punch I was
like all right, that's it.
You know, because people whoknow me like I'm very caring but
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at the same time like I'lldefinitely stand up for what's
right.
Like you know, if you come intothe gym and you try to
disrespect, you know it can gobeyond what just competition
jujitsu can be for myself, butat the same time it's, you know,
I teach in art and I try to beas professional as possible.
But there are boundaries thatif you cross then there's
actions that will be taken, forsure, definitely.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Now, do you think that you've kind of learned over
the years on, like how to readpeople a little bit better,
since you've had instances likethat?
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, for sure, for sure, and usually with them.
I try to kill people withkindness, especially if they're
overaggressive, right?
Because at the end of the day,no matter how hard they're going
, if my jujitsu is good, then Iknow that there's really not
much they can do, no matter howangry they are, how many fights
they've had, it's it meansnothing, you know.
So I could, I try to, you know,be nice and calm and cool them
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down and try to see that, hey,if you just slow down,
everything will make sense.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
so, yeah, you know, juno, I don't want to miss this
opportunity because you'revisiting us from the land of
enchantment oh yeah, you knowyou, you always like freaking,
dominate me like when, likewhenever you're on the mat and
you let me know you're alwayslike freaking, dominate me like
when, like whenever on the mat,and you let me know you're from
new mexico, like you.
Like you call it out like nm,like no, I'm just kidding, no,
but uh, no, but like.
So, tell me something about youthat most people don't know
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about, and like what aspect?
Just say anything.
So last time we were here, man,we learned that mike got shot
when he was 12, running awayfrom some gangbangers.
And then I think Mike, likereceptively, you had gotten some
feedback from people thatdidn't know certain things about
you.
I haven't had a chance toreally get to know Juno that
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much.
I mean I have, but I haven't.
You've been gone quite a bit.
So what about you is somethingthat most people don't know
about.
Fuck that's a hard one.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I mean I'm a super kind guy.
Anytime I beat someone in atournament I always feel super
bad.
I just feel like I don't knowhow to explain it.
I just feel bad for the personI just beat because I know how
it is to feel that way.
So I don't think people seethat part of me like how I feel
inside when I beat someone.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
I'm like oh man, Are you like super celebratory, like
after you destroy someone?
It depends you just kind ofjust get up quietly.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Sometimes I just get up quietly.
It depends on how I win, If Isubmit the guy I'm getting up.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
And it depends on their moxie.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah, for sure.
And if they're doing some dirtystuff during the match, I think
I'm going to rub it in theirface a little bit once it's over
.
But it's all love.
You know what if they're arival.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Oh, yeah, that always feels good.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You got rivals, huh, I mean just guys that you've
fought before.
They may beat you.
You beat them.
It's been a close match and youguys just kind of meet up again
.
You got to go at it.
But I mean, I'm just a reallynice guy.
At people see me, they kind ofthink I'm like, uh, like an
aggro kind of guy.
I'm kind of like I don't reallyseem like approachable to some
people, but I'm actually areally nice guy I think you're a
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nice guy.
Yeah, once you get to know me,you see that part of me.
But like I don't, even first, Idon't even have to get to know
you.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Like I just feel like you just seem like a nice guy,
like even even if I don't knowyou.
Like you're always smiling andshit and like I try.
Yeah, very, very humble guy tooVery humble Do you?
Do you think that yourpersonality is is kind of um,
your former training partners,your former coaches have kind of
rubbed off on you like withyour personality and stuff, or
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just is that kind of just howyou have always been?
Speaker 2 (16:17):
No, I think I get my personality from my family, like
Mike, my, my brothers.
We're all kind of like the notthe same person, but we all kind
of speak the same act, the samesame characteristic.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Yeah, for sure.
So when you're dealing with ego, because you guys are nice guys
, but but when you are dealingwith ego, how do you?
What's your approach to dealingwith that in yourself and in
dealing with others?
Speaker 3 (16:39):
in a brazilian jiu-jitsu setting, I think if
someone comes in and they'regoing really hard sometimes,
sometimes you have to just kindof let them know who's the boss,
if you will, right, but juststrictly using technique right,
Showing them that there'snothing you can do that can save
you.
I don't care how, like I said,I don't care how mad you are,
how angry you are, there'snothing you can do.
So you kind of like the goalright, you know you're going to
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come in, you're going to have anattitude.
Then you know I could nicelyyou're in a submission, you know
what I'm saying?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, yeah, I like to always say that if you are at a
high level, you can always bumpdown to a lower level, but if
you're at a low level you can'tbump up to a higher level
without getting yourself orsomeone else hurt.
And so that's and like in thelaw enforcement side of things
and military side of thingsthat's how I've always seen
things is you're expected to bebetter than everyone else and
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then kind of train down topeople enough to where you're
bringing them up with you, notjust completely destroying them.
Do you see that you say it'spretty accurate?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely.
And also notice too, you canjudge people by their
personality, because I alwaystell my students, like your
personality is an indicator ofhow your jujitsu is.
If that makes sense, someone'sa nice guy, they're going to be,
they're going to be really goodat jujitsu and they're going to
like, be caring right.
We're a guy who's, you know,like aggro right there.
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You're going to tell right awayif they walk in, they got that
like bro style attitude.
They're going to have like thatbro style jujitsu as well, you
know.
So I think that's.
That's something I try to lookout for too.
If someone has a weirdpersonality or something I
already know, like, oh, thisguy's gonna try to go hard, or I
know I'm not to put him withnew students or something, I'll
keep it with the higher beltsand stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So what was your?
What was okay, because I'mgonna lie when I first came to
your gym, you were concernedabout me.
I, I knew you were.
Yeah, I knew you were.
Were because you were.
I noticed you watching mebecause I came in as a Pro Belt
unknown, yeah, but I get it.
I understand why.
Like I understand why you wouldbe concerned.
Would you say that that'spretty accurate.
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Like for most, like higherbelts that come in for the first
time, you're a little bitapprehensive and then you kind
of back out from that.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
What I worry about is the safety of my students, you
know, right, because a lot oftimes a lot of these people are,
you know, they're notcompetitors, right?
You know, my, my, my competitorbase is super small.
So for someone to come in who'strying to learn and someone
comes in visiting and they'relike, oh, another blue belt,
right.
And then boom, hurt this guy,he's got to go to work.
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He's why I'll always all right,let me see how this guy does
and then we'll go through.
You know, because you got tohave some type of empathy.
You know there's levels tojujitsu.
There's high level competitorsand there's your everyday
hobbyists and the balance inbetween there is just finding,
you know, the common ground withtechnique or using more
strength, right?
Speaker 1 (19:39):
And just getting it out, you know.
So, yeah, no, I completelyunderstand.
I've been to like so manydifferent gyms in my time
unwillingly, because I've movedso much that sometimes, like
we're literally walking instrangers, we don't know each
other.
So it's important for you toprotect your students.
They got to go to work tomorrow.
Yeah, all of them do.
Nobody's really a professionalfighter and it's like you know,
that's the most important part,like like you just mentioned,
and juno, I don't want to leaveyou out of this conversation,
man, but, uh, I want to get intosome trending topics with the
Brazilian jiu-jitsu culture andget your young self and your
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opinions on this, because itseems like today's influencer
side of things in Brazilianjiu-jitsu, what's your take on
the growing social mediainfluencer side of the sport?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
I think it's cool.
But I mean, I think you got tobe careful on who you follow.
Obviously there's guys who justkind of put out videos for
clicks, for clicks, right right.
You don't really know if thatworks or not.
So obviously go look at what,what they've done, and like
competition, and then go fromthere.
You know, some people just kindof post videos and they're just
like bullshit videos.
I'm just like bro, what like,what is this?
(20:32):
Like some of my students arelike some people I give like
privates to, they'll like showme a video.
I'm like, bro, like pleasedon't ever do that or ever show
me that again, ever.
Yeah, so it's a nightmare, butif you follow the right people
then yeah, it's very I thinkit's legit for sure.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Do you know some of the people that that you follow,
that that you would recommend,who are authentic?
Speaker 2 (20:52):
there's this guy, john th Thomas.
I follow a lot of his videosonline and he hasn't really even
competed.
He's just very knowledgeable ofthe game and he's been around a
lot of people who are reallygood, like Espen Matisse and
Sebastian Serpo, those kinds ofguys, but he's very good.
I watch a lot of Cabrinhavideos, still to this day.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Andrzej Spunovski I mentioned him earlier but Ke
keenan, all those guys, all theguys who've done stuff, I'll
watch their videos.
I know they've proven it.
They've proven what they knowand it actually works, yeah,
yeah, mike, what's your take on?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
it with the influencer side of brazilian
jiu-jitsu.
I mean I like it.
I just think sometimes it putslike a false narrative where
people, you know, I see theselike influencers and they're
getting high up in belts andyou're like, dang, they haven't
been training that long, youknow.
And it just you wonder, arethey training just private
lessons?
But they're getting promotedright, are they putting in the
hard work like everybody else?
I mean, there are levels, but Ithink at the end of the day,
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like as long as everyone'slearning jujitsu, you know it's
it's it's positive for everybody, regardless.
You know I may not always agreewith certain stuff, but you
know, take what you want.
You know, if it works for you,it does.
If not, just don't use it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah, I want to ask you guys too and it's kind of a
personal question that I havefor myself because, like for me,
like I really think wrestlingis an extremely important base
when it comes to grappling anextremely important base when it
comes to grappling, and likeI've always kind of prided
myself in being able to holdpositions and transition over
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submissions but is that kind ofthe wrong take or is that just a
way?
It's not the way, but it's away to look at it conceptually.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
It's a good way to get a base, like, I think
wrestling is very important injiu-jitsu and all aspects of
scrambling, being able to stayon top and all that stuff.
So and plus you need to securea position before you get a
submission.
Obviously there's like flyingtriangles, flying armor, so you
can hit, but mainly you're goingto try to get to a dominant
position, hold it, control it,get inside position, then try to
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finish the match.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Right and and I always feel like pressure is my
thing too, like, but I also dotrain, not just for sport, but I
train for like real life too.
So, like it's, it's like I wantto make sure that I can hold
and I can pressure, and I cantake, fight away and replenish
energy.
But is that just a way, or isit the way, or what are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Well if you think about it, right, wrestling is a
really good foundation.
Right, because you're startingon your feet, make sense, yeah.
So in the instance you want toprotect yourself, how many guys
are going to pull guard in thestreet?
Right, you've got to protectyourself.
So if you're super good, you'vegot to know how to wrestle,
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especially to add it in, becauseat the end of the day, you
never know who you're going torun into.
You could be a jujitsu blackbelt of you know a bunch of
years and you're super good.
You run across a guy whowrestled in high school, a state
champion.
You might not be able to takehim down yeah, but he could take
you down.
And in the street there's nomats, you can't.
Oh, you, you pulled my fingeror you poked me in the eye.
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All that is now out the window,right, headbutts, everything.
The danger goes up.
So to know wrestling jujitsuyou're, that makes you just a
way more deadly, because you candictate if it goes to the
ground or not, right?
Yeah, then if it hits theground, you can, you have the
option to attack submissions.
So wrestling is a very goodbase to start, I think I guess
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for me.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
Sometimes people ask me what my opinions and my
pieces of advice are.
Like I don't feel like I'mworthy enough to like give
advice and things like that.
So I'm just like that's apersonal question for me, asking
you like your thoughts on itbecause it's the way that I
conceptualize things.
I guess it's like pressure andlike positioning and
transitioning, and and then thestupid easy submissions are
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going to present themselves tome.
Yeah for sure.
You know what I mean.
So that's kind of why I wantedto ask that question.
But the age old question manversus no gi Um yeah, both, I
agree.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Right, I used to love no gi when I started.
I started no gi and then Istarted getting choked out all
the time in the gi and then itchanged my whole perspective.
Now I don't even I do not likeno-gi.
Well, I do it, yeah, but I'mnot a big fan.
Do I love it?
It's still jiu-jitsu, no matterwhat right, it's still, you
know, wrestling no-gi, jiu-jitsu, jiu-jitsu, sambo.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
As long as you can, you know, still roll and hunt
the submission, I'm all for itregardless.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So yeah, you know do you think that one has more
depth?
Oh yeah, the gi for sure.
There's so many more grips,more variables, especially from
the guard, like in nogi you wantto be on top 100 and in the gi
you want to be on bottom.
Yeah, so it's just different.
But yeah, the is way deeper,way more stuff to like, deal
with for sure.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, and I, and, and , and I noticed even with myself
, like sometimes when I'm, whenI'm sizing people up in real
life, I'm looking for a belt, aleather belt around the waist.
Oh yeah, Because that thatsimulates a lot right there for
for me to grab a hold of.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
A lot of a lot of parents come in and they say, oh
well, you only do the uniform.
I say yeah, and they say, oh no, we don't want to do it.
Then we want no gi because wewant it for self-defense.
And that boggles my mind,because I'm like, well, every
fight I've been into in myentire life I was wearing
clothes, right, literally.
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I don't think I've ever foughtsomeone, unless I'm showering
and someone comes in and they'renaked too and we have to start
fighting.
Then maybe for myself that'llcome in handy, but until then, I
mean I'm, I've always.
I mean everything you wearcould be, you know, especially
if you're used to the grips.
It's, it's crazy, yeah for sureyou know.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
so you know it's crazy for me because I have a
real life story about that and,um, I you know you want things
to be instinctual.
When they happen like I shouldbe like two to three beers into
something, feeling a little bitof a buzz, but not completely
drunk, and be able to bereactionary.
Yeah, and I actually had thathappen to me once where a guy
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tried to jump in on a friend ofmine and he went, she tried to
blow past me like I grabbed allof him, simply just judo, threw
him to the ground and then,naturally, without even thinking
about it, thumb inside of thepolo shirt, the reinforced
collar of that polo shirt, ohyeah, cross-collar choke.
And it was like and afterwards,like all my other friends are,
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they were calling me a trunkmonkey because I came out of
nowhere.
And they're like, oh, how'd youdo that?
It was so instinctual.
And I'm like, yeah, that'straining man, that's how you
want it to happen, that's howyou want it to go down Muscle
memory.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah Well, and at the end of the day, a lot of us
train jiu-jitsu because we dotournaments and it's fun to do,
but at and think of all therules that are in the sport of
Jiu-Jitsu are all taken away.
It makes Jiu-Jitsu very deadly.
Yeah, very deadly, because youcan I mean you can end it quick.
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You could end it.
The options are endless.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Especially because we train full blast.
It's hard to train any othermartial art full blast without
major injuries.
Like if you train stand up fullblast, you're going to go home
with headaches.
Right, we can go into jiu-jitsutrain full blast every single
day and we'll we'll be fine.
So we get to train at like ahigher intensity.
So when it actually goes down,we're gonna be sharp.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
And the good thing about jiu-jitsu that a lot of
people don't realize is versus,like, let's say, striking or
something is there is nopuncher's chance in jiu-jitsu.
Right, right, you can train alittle boxing or have muay thai,
but if, let's say, the guyyou're fighting is a decent
street fighter and he's got somehands and you, you're gonna get
punched in a fight, right.
But if you never train jujitsuand you fight someone who knows
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jujitsu, you ain't gonna getlucky and be like oh I, I hit a
sweep, or there's no way.
No, there's no way.
So far off the charts.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
I mean you know, and I definitely agree with that,
you're right.
I mean you could take a swingand get a lucky hit.
But I mean it's hard to do thatin Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu if you
can't even put yourself inposition to win.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
You can't bridge, you can't hip escape, you don't
know how to deal with grips,jiu-jitsu, especially with the
uniform, right that you're.
You're light years ahead of anormal white belt, who's not
even a white belt yet, right?
They're not even taking thatstep to be a white belt, right?
Speaker 1 (29:09):
so yeah I want to ask you guys man, there's been some
controversy about uh allowingheel hooks and leg locks with
lower belts in their divisionsfor some of these tournaments.
What's your guys' stance onthat?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I'll let you take it.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I don't really know.
I mean, I think it's hard.
I definitely don't think whitesor blue belts should be doing
it, but in purple belt you'restarting to get elite level.
I think purple belts could doit.
But it just depends on what gymyou're at, because our gym we
don't really teach that much inclass.
We don't really do much no-giat Mike's gym.
So it's like if our guys go outthere to go compete and all
these other guys are doing that,then our guys are going to be
(29:47):
behind.
But I mean, they just got to beuniversal.
You got to know whattournaments we're going to do,
got to train to that rule setExactly.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Yeah.
What are your thoughts on that,Mike?
Speaker 3 (29:59):
I mean, I think it's good, it keeps everyone safe,
but I think you should stillteach your students so, if they
ever because, like I said, noteverything is always going to be
in the street, I mean in the,in the arena, right around the
mats.
So you got to almost prepareyour students for everything in
a way.
But no, okay, well, this iswhat you can and can't do, right
, but if you have to, you canuse this, right.
(30:20):
So those are things I think youshould go over with them.
But safety is always an issuetoo, because sometimes people
don't know how hard to go.
But that's why you have toteach them and say, hey, you
can't do this, but this is howyou do it.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Or you escape, especially because if you start
teaching white belts how to heelhook and they're going to open
mat somewhere else and thisother white boy doesn't know how
to heel hook and he obliterateshis knee now that's a nightmare
yeah, and then, like I said, alot of these people are
hobbyists, so they're not tryingto, you know, and then they
have to go to work and it's just, and they're not going to train
jujitsu, probably anymore.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
They're going to be done.
They're going to say my wife'snot going to let me train, so or
whoever.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Yeah, I want to kind of kind of echo, like off of
what you're saying, because Ihave personally trained at so
many different gyms and I'veseen like the wild west and I've
seen controlled competitiontraining as well and for a lot
of folks out there, a lot ofwhite belts out there, some of
them are so untamed they're likea wild horse, yeah for sure,
(31:20):
and you have to really becareful with that, you have to
really watch that and, like yousaid, you have to protect your
own students out there.
When you hit the mat fortraining or competition, do you
think there's a switch in yourhead that flips with your
overall mindset?
Like when you, when you guys,get into competition mode here,
you're getting ready to go toVegas to go compete.
Is there something when you hitthe mat?
(31:41):
That's a personal mindset thatyou like to take in?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I just like to be like I guess how they call it
flow state.
I just try to clear my head,just control my breathing, just
stay calm, and I'm going to goout there and my body's going to
do what it does.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
I guess everybody's a little bit different.
We talked about that last time,don't we?
So, outside of the technique,what do you try to instill in
your students or some of theyounger guys that are in at your
school?
What's some of the, I guess,personality character traits
that you try to instill in someof the kids?
That you have Grit.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
How to face adversity .
Yeah, just like, have the dog,yeah, you know what I mean.
Like they say you can't teachthat, but I've.
We've had a lot of peoplewalking to our gym and I've seen
complete changes in them.
Like I'm talking, it's justsuch an amazing thing.
So I think teaching people howto have great adversity, like
just, yeah, we're known to gopretty hard at our gym, like we
(32:42):
have really tough guys.
So they, you, just we eitherpick it up and run with it or
you end up leaving.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
So yeah, no, I've seen a lot of guys grow over the
years, man.
I've seen guys come in as softas pillows, and now they're, and
now they're as tough as nails.
Yeah, sure, absolutely, sure,absolutely, absolutely.
And I'm like, and here I amjust getting older, year after
year.
These guys are in theirthirties, like getting ready to
reach the reach, their peak, youknow.
So I want to, I want to take apause right now and see if I can
(33:10):
switch this screen over,because I want to do a couple of
um, uh, commentaries.
Sure, with this.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
I don't know what this one here.
No kids were hurt on this video, that's the wrestler right
there.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
I thought I had him.
All I know is form tackling,but his technique started to
take over.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
I was the most tired I've ever been in my life.
Yeah, at this point I'm playingfootball.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
I was done after this , but the crowd hyped me into
another round, so we went againand I got cooked yeah, that's
technique right there,regardless, love though it's a
humbling experience when you,you know, never been in contact
with a sport like that wrestlingor jujitsu or judo and you face
even a woman or a little kidand they whoop your ass and
(33:57):
you're like, damn, I just got myass beat by a 13 year old and
that never happened to me.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
But I've seen it happen.
I've been the 13 year old.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That's been pretty nice yeah it is true, so watch
this one here.
This is, uh, you guys know, weswatson oh god, I I think I've
seen this.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
This guy's a real douche took, did his jujitsu on
him.
Then the guy's gonna come backand duct tape his family.
Okay, you don't want to fuckwith the wrong people, and the
wrong people out here in theworld are not pro fighters.
You guys need to wake up.
These are very big time squares.
Pro fighters are the epitome ofsquares.
(34:32):
They're like come in the ringand I'll fight you.
The people I grew up with andwent to prison with.
They don't give a fuck about aring.
They don't give a fuck ifthey're on camera and give a
fuck if they have to fuckinglive the rest of their life in
prison.
You will not beat them.
They will not take a loss.
You guys live in a fantasyworld where pro fighters aren't
the biggest squares on theplanet.
(34:53):
Ufc fighting is gay.
Like all that shit, like MMAfighting and all that shit is
for people who never really werein fights, like they never
whooped ass their whole life.
So they're always like I'mgoing to train and fight, like
I've always just handled shit.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
So I'm convinced that a lot of these guys cause this
guy here is part of a group ofinfluencers that just say shit.
They just say things, they putit out there and they don't care
if it even makes sense or ifit's even correct.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Deep down.
That guy's a pussy bro.
100%.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Oh, he totally is Like I don't care if he's been
to prison or not.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
The thing is, how are you going to say professional
fighters?
That's what they do, and a lotof those guys who are
professional fighters can alsotake it the same distance.
Yeah, professional fighterscould also take it that same
distance.
Yeah, not only.
And think about this, they mayhave a gang right.
These guys that train jujitsu.
We have all our teammates train, right, we have friends who
train.
We.
We, technically, are a gangright.
Right, like you want to battlea bunch of guys who've been to
(35:54):
prison off.
If you've been to prison,that's fine, but it's having
that mentality of, oh, justbecause I went to prison, I've
been in a few fistfights, thatthat makes me super hardened and
tough.
That don't make you shit.
Training breaks you down,builds you up, teaches you how
to be losing every day and comeback this guy don't know shit.
That guy has an ego.
I would actually like to fight.
This guy bare knuckle at anymoment.
(36:15):
So if I run into him, please,I'll fight it Anytime.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Because I always just extinguish the problem, however
I had to.
So the point is is like that'sfor people who, like, never
could really fight, they had togo learn to fight.
I mean people who just handlebusiness, they don't have to
learn to fight.
There's a difference betweenfighters and violent people.
You should really stay awayfrom violent people, because it
doesn't matter how good you areat fighting, when they want to
take it to the level, they'lltake you out, and so there's a
(36:45):
huge difference here.
You guys have it allmisconstrued.
Fighting is some weird sportsshit.
That is all these people do andit has nothing to do with
violence, because a violentperson will end your life, and
this is the thing.
You guys need to quit thinkingthat ufc people are going to be
able to fuck around with violentmotherfuckers, because a
violent motherfucker won't lose,he won't take it and you'll be
(37:08):
like wait, put the gloves on andhe's not going to hear it and
it's going to be a problem foryou.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
This guy's never trained a day in his life.
He would he like he would behumbled.
Why?
Are you talking?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
about gloves.
If a pressure, if aprofessional fighter goes
outside with you and there is nogloves, you're going to go bare
knuckle.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Yeah, meet Nick Diaz out in the street.
He's not going to say put onthe gloves, I'm going to say
bare knuckle, fight you, or theymight even pull out a gun and
shoot you too.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
There's still people who cause violence.
Elbowing someone's face withtechnique is violence.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
Like suplexing someone on their head is
violence.
Yeah, this guy sounds scaredlike if you, if mike tried to
fight him, he'd probably pullout a gun and try to shoot.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Well, usually, though , when that's like what they
call peacocking, right, wheresomeone tries to be like, say
stuff and be real brash, thosepeople are the softest people
around.
You know, people who talk shitthe loudest usually are wimps,
right?
So people who are quiet andhumble are the people you want
to worry about.
You know, because they're, ohyeah.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
They got nothing to prove, no doubt, so I'll show
you this next one here.
I don't know if you guys haveseen this one or not.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
This guy used Brazilian jiu-jitsu to defend
his daughter from aggressors.
Imagine if he didn't know howto fight.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, this is my dad.
They're fighting right now, mydad, just I'm 19.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
Think about it, just control.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
That was really nice of him what he did, he could
have turned that situationextremely violent.
You know, I'm saying like ohyeah, yeah, that guy didn't
train, he probably startedthrowing punches.
Probably not that guy out,maybe kill him somehow.
Yeah and it goes to prison.
But no, he controlled.
It, controlled the situation.
Family safe, he's safe, thatguy's safe.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
I want to show you this out.
Show you this one right heretoo.
All right, this guy trains atthe gym.
No, I'm just kidding.
I don't know here what's what'sup, break my arm you're getting
charges from gas out.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Hold it and look at it, fully depleted of all new
tricky jobs no, I fucking beensupposed to be why?
Speaker 1 (39:10):
because I own the fucking building okay, I gotta
recognize you're getting evictednow, really just relaxing on
top, just kind of hanging outthere.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
But you guys see that that's actually kind of funny.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I don't think either of those guys trained, to be
honest.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah no, I mean.
But I mean, for the big guyactually did a pretty.
Yeah, he was all.
They had him some dude, youknow.
But so this one here I got into.
I got into some uh, troublewith online because I, if I'm
wrong, I'm wrong, but I want youguys to watch this and I want
you to tell me what you honestlythink about this.
This person posts a lot, andI'm not saying they don't know
(39:46):
what they're doing, but I thinkthere's a difference between,
like when someone is postingsomething because they want
clicks, versus they're postingsomething because they believe
it really works.
So tell me what you think aboutthis.
Speaker 5 (39:57):
If someone grabs you, like this step to parallel with
him.
Now bring your arm straightabove your head and back and the
key is to grip just above theelbow joint, palm to palm, to
break that arm.
And if you don't have the angleto go for this, it means his
elbow is perfectly positionedfor you to pull it the opposite
way.
Now hyperextend the elbow forthe break.
Stay safe out there.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I don't know about that one.
I can it working, but you wouldhave to, your timing would have
to be so perfect and that'slike.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
That's like just basic, like jujitsu old school
fundamentals, if I'm notmistaken right like so this,
this is my take on this righthere and this and you guys are
way more advanced than I am, butto me, like if you get to this
spot right here and you go to dothis like loop-de-loop thing
under stress and anxiety, understress and anxiety, you've got
(40:45):
like 0.3 seconds before you eata fist from this other arm.
That's just hanging there.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
You're a hundred percent right.
It's almost, but it's almostlike she's doing it, like it's
like a sport, like, oh, he's notgoing to punch me, right?
These are things that you wantto close the distance as close
as possible Right here, If hehas your hair, yeah.
Or look look at his head andher face there's a headbutt, oh,
exactly Five, ten inches away,yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
I mean, and now he has an underhook, so now he's in
a body hugger and suplexer, hecan pull her closer, say that
like she's not showing anything.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
That could work.
But I mean, that's nothing thatI would show for self-defense,
that's especially to a woman.
Yeah, I mean, if someone grabsyour hair like that, you would
want to get as close to them aspossible.
You don't want them pullingyour hair out or controlling.
You'd want to be to where theycan't yank you.
You'd want to be body lockingthem or to their back,
especially if you know jujitsu,that's we'd want to be.
Speaker 1 (41:38):
That's going to be the spot we could put him to
sleep, you know another thing,too, is like when you're
teaching like self-defense andthings like that, you want to
get people used to getting loudand yelling because if you're
like in a dark alley or aroundthe corner or something, you
want to wake up the neighborhoodlike you want to.
You don't want to quietly wrapyour arm around somebody else's
a much bigger man's arm andthink that you're going to give
them some half-ass, like kimurathat.
(42:01):
So I made a comment that thiswas not real and like literally
there was probably 300 commentsback to me saying that I was
just an asshole and I'm I Idon't know what I'm talking
about and I'm just like come on,man, I'm not going to let you
do that to my arm.
Yeah, I'm going to underhookyou and I'm gonna throw you and
slam you on the ground andthey're not just going to grab
your hair.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Someone actually wants to take you.
They're gonna wrap their armsaround your body.
Yeah, try to slam you, take yousomewhere or pull you backward
yeah, grab here and let youstand up.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
They're gonna grab you and yank you to the floor,
knock you off balance.
Like I said, not to say thatit's not something that could
work, but the cleanest thingabout that video was the elbow,
and the elbow you'd want tothrow from, just like a Thai
boxing position.
You know it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
And that was kind of my point to that was but of
course all these other peoplewas, you know, making these
comments on it or whatever.
So, okay, cool.
So I'm glad you guys kind ofagree with me on that one.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
I just want to know what you guys think about these
new little boot camps that arepopping up.
Speaker 4 (42:59):
That's like the, it's like those navy seal like right
up over there, sick of thisshit, spent the fucking hour.
You guys don't want to listenright over here our soldiers or
(43:20):
anything.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
They're just doing this.
Speaker 2 (43:21):
You guys haven't seen this no, never you guys haven't
seen this.
No, never you guys haven't seenthis.
No, this looks really fuckingstupid.
It does.
It's pissing me off.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So this is the new craze.
They've got these fucking NavySEAL guys, special Forces guys,
and what they'll do is they'llmake up these little fake boot
camps and there's some here inthe Inland Empire and I've
argued with people about itbecause I think this is bullshit
and so you've got these guysthat never served in the
military, never have doneanything tough in their life,
and what they'll do is they'llpay these former military people
(43:52):
to put them through a makeshiftmock-up book like Navy SEAL
training boot camp or some shitlike that, and they'll just
degrade them the whole time.
And they pay like $10,000 to dothis, and I thousand dollars.
Dude, they pay big money forthis shit.
We can do this, dude, and so,so, anyway, so it's, it's like,
completely degraded.
(44:13):
The thing is there's adifference, because I have a
friend who went through one inflorida, but the one that he
went through was religious based, and so what they do is they
put you in teams and you'reexpected to come together as a
team to overcome obstacles.
These things here which I'llshow you, they literally just,
they just like.
Speaker 7 (44:33):
Southern California weather.
You told your family I'm goingto sunny Southern California.
Look what happened.
Talk to people in your lifethat don't need to be there.
Even if it's your father, yourmother, fuck that don't don't
need to be there.
Even if it's your father, yourmother, fuck them you don't need
them.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
You got us.
You don't fucking need themanymore that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Hold on.
I mean, these guys have got tobe the most, not even beta like
charlie males and these are guysthat just like.
Why would you pay for this bro?
Speaker 3 (44:59):
go, just go lift weights.
Or go to a jiu-jitsu gym orfuck it.
Go learn karate.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I guarantee you take these guys who just got done
with this, put them in a jitsclass.
They can't even last two rounds, yeah.
Speaker 1 (45:11):
I mean honestly, if I met this guy face-to-face, I
would tell him that this isbullshit, this is ridiculous,
and I've actually gotten into itwith people before about it,
people that defend this kind ofstuff and I'm like, no, I mean,
look, absolutely stupid at theend of the day, you can spend
your money doing whatever youlike, but that's supposed to
make you an alpha.
Speaker 3 (45:28):
That's gonna make you a douche.
I got you another one righthere.
Speaker 6 (45:31):
Look at this you don't fucking deserve to be here
fucking quit.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
You, piece of shit.
I want to be a better man.
I want to be a better husband.
I want to be a better father.
I want to be a better man.
I want to be a better husband.
I want to be a better father.
I want to be a better.
You fucking whiny piece of shit.
I mean it's not a.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
You deserve to be here.
That's how I teach classes.
Speaker 1 (45:49):
Dude, I mean these people.
I mean I don't know if it's$10,000.
I mean people pay good money.
I'll look it up, but people paygood money for this.
And they will put for like aweek or so.
Make you a real man come out.
Still, you better move with afucking purpose.
Belly what.
Look at that feet.
You know the sad thing is.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
You know the sad thing is, I know, I know guys
that would probably take up thisoffer right here I mean no
offense to these guys, but, bro,this is like the opposite of
alpha, this is like beta maleshit.
This is like them peeing andspitting on you and you paying
them money yeah, they'resupposed to make you a man so
you can go home and be a goodfamily man and respectable.
You're going to be a fatherafter doing this shit.
(46:28):
Go to church, go to JetsExactly, you're good.
You need Jesus in your lifeguys Gosh.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
This is what tells me that the human race has reached
its apex.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Those guys are making a full-blown living driving
raptors and shit, doing this topeople.
Speaker 1 (46:49):
That's crazy.
Yeah, this is back.
No, hurry up.
Look at the guys doing it,though feet, it's back.
Speaker 4 (46:53):
Get over here.
Have them on the podcast.
Where's you, you fucking slow?
Get over here, fucking.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
I'm joking never, heard of that shit sit down, sit
down right here, maybe chrisyou two are gonna share this.
Speaker 3 (47:01):
this is crazy to me All of you start crawling, Start
crawling.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
Start shrimping, start shrimping, you're going to
crawl and suffer until you'redone with that cookie, until the
both of you are done sharingthat fucking cookie.
Speaker 1 (47:12):
Start my own cookies.
The sad thing is that there'speople that I know that think
this is cool.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
And they think that this would be cool to sign up
for.
I'd rather go on a camping tripwith my buddies.
Don't do this here you go yeah,well, so they do a little
jiu-jitsu.
I never experienced that.
It looks like it, yeah.
So I mean, I just said I neverexperienced.
Did he really say that?
Yeah, oh, look at theinstructors, bro, they probably
they're just, they're justdestroying them.
Oh, is that what they?
Yeah, those are the instructorsbeating these guys bitch and
the beast.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
The bitch is the inner critic, the beast is the
advocate.
The advocate supports you,roots you on, cheers for you,
but the critic, your inner bitch, is always doubting you and
telling you that you can't andthat you've done enough, and to
set lower goals and expectationsof yourself.
When I go into into the gymevery morning, I go to war with
my body.
I go to war with the weights.
I go to war with my mindset,with that bitch voice in my head
(48:08):
that says put the weights down,you've done enough sets and
reps.
And I know you're like damn bro, that sounds intense.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
It feels like they're making followers instead of
leaders.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, exactly, isn't that weird?
And you know that that happenshere, like right right out here
in the inland empire there's,there's a place out there maybe
I'll check it out I don't know.
I thought that.
I thought this one was funnyand this one's uh, I know this
guy.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I don't know him personally, but I know like his
instagram and shit.
Speaker 7 (48:32):
I don't know who needs to hear this but I'm not
going to your 6 am fuckingjujitsu class.
What are you?
A fucking vampire?
No, I guys know who that is.
No, I sleep bro.
I got things that go onthroughout the day.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
Six AMs for me, bro.
Yeah, I'm sleeping.
Speaker 1 (48:47):
I just thought, that was funny.
Speaker 3 (48:49):
Oh, that guy's funny.
I like his videos.
He's really cool.
Yeah, oh, here we go, here wego.
Speaker 1 (48:54):
This is what every dad needs.
To see this right here.
Every dad needs to can see thisbecause this is this is right
here.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
When somebody just slaps your kid like that.
You know I've seen anothervideo where that something like
that happens.
Could you imagine?
Yeah, I don't do?
Speaker 1 (49:19):
what would you do if someone smacked, smacked your
daughter like that right?
Right in front of you, it'd beover probably kill her.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
Yeah, probably go to prison.
I'd be very upset, honestly,you know.
Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn'tlike that's why that, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
That's why I appreciate the dads that
actually I shouldn't say dadsthe moms too.
Um, that then, the parents thatjust train, they don't just
send their kid out there andyell stupid shit from the
sidelines, but they actuallyknow.
Like, does that annoy you ever?
Like whenever, whenever parentsare yelling things that they
really don't understandthemselves, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Professor Lucas used to have a thing that said if you
want to coach your kid, you gotto take some classes first.
So if you've never trainedjujitsu, you can't sit here and
say it because you don't knowthe hardships it takes to do
jujitsu.
Right, just get up, get the kidoff you.
Well, the kid's been training awhile, he's your kid's not
getting up, right, it's histhird class.
You gotta he's gotta be patient.
(50:12):
You gotta be encouraging toyour child, right?
Can't?
Oh, you should have just got upand tried, okay.
Well then, let me get on top ofyou and you get up and try.
I had a buddy.
Speaker 1 (50:21):
I had a buddy like that who, uh, whose kid would
wrestle?
And when he would yell at hiskid and the guy never wrestled
before.
And I'd tell him, like you know, you've, you don't even know
what you're talking about,you're just screaming.
Speaker 3 (50:32):
You're not even saying anything.
I mean, having passion for yourkid is good, but one thing if
they're out there and enduringit and going through the
hardships and you have to besupportive, you can't be a jerk.
They don't not want to do it.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
You know exactly all right, let me.
Oh, you know, I didn't know Icould just do this.
This is funny, that's right,you got someone.
Speaker 7 (50:49):
You got someone your shirt, that's right.
What do you want?
I just wonder what we did inmath.
Speaker 3 (50:54):
Well, that's funny.
All those shots he's hittingthat dude will do nothing but
piss me off.
Let me see, I'm dead serious.
Legit there it is.
That last one was actually thelast one was the most legit
thing he did it was yeah,actually, you know how to get up
properly.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
That's some funny shit.
All right, let me check out onemore.
Oh, I want to show you this one, and then, and then, and then.
This will be it, this will beit.
Watch, look.
And I just want to get you guysto comment on this.
Okay, I just want to think okay, so you got pepper sprayed.
This is, this is, uh, some typeof law enforcement training
like for corrections orsomething.
There's no sound on this one,not even I mean.
(51:29):
Yeah, so have you guys beenpepper?
Speaker 3 (51:31):
sprayed before, never .
I accidentally pepper sprayedmyself one time so I got.
Speaker 1 (51:37):
So I I've been oc sprayed before and involuntarily
it does shut down, it just shutdown, it just shut your eyes.
So like when I went through myscenarios, I had to like hold my
eye open like this and thenlike use the baton and you got
to fight through it.
You know what I mean.
But in this case, right here,like she just like I mean that
(51:58):
just looks really pathetic, likeshe completely swung and she
missed with the baton.
Her hand hurt, her hand hurtsnow from hitting the fucking pad
, like you know you're fired.
Like like if this was real life, like you really would be just
dead right.
Yeah, and I know there's novolume on this one, but this one
here they're like cheering heron and stuff, just like.
(52:24):
I just want to take it back tothe beginning, though.
Over here, like the guyoverseeing it.
Exactly that's funny look atthat, like he's an instructor
here.
I'll show you how it's donereally.
I mean, he's like three peopleall in one set of clothing.
I'm gonna be mean, but like,bro, like where's the standard
set?
This is what you put in frontof your people.
(52:45):
I don't know this.
This whole scenario justbothered me.
I wish there were some actualsound on this one, but there's
not, sorry oh, you're good,that's funny bro all right.
So anyways, in closing, I'mgonna make sure I clean up all
those, all those uh videos andand do a little smoother next
time, and uh that we're do it.
Juno yo, before we round thingsout, man, what do you think of
(53:06):
the pod, of the pod of beingback in la your upcoming
competition?
This?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
pod is dope, bro, this room is sick, but uh, being
in la is nice, man, it's alwaysgood to come back, train, teach
, be at the guys out here.
No, I miss all these guys outhere, but gotta be back with my
family right now.
But it's been good, bro, can'twait to compete.
Haven't competed since February.
Just kind of had some bad lucklately with being sick or
injured.
So yeah, mitch, and get backout there.
(53:32):
Are you how long in town for?
Probably till Monday, sunday,monday.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
I appreciate you stopping by, man and let me give
you a quick interview andeverything.
And you know, hopefully, ifdown the road, man, you never
know, maybe we can Mike getsinto a bigger spot, we'll set a
podcast studio in there andwe'll have everything set up.
And yeah, that'd be dope.
Speaker 2 (53:52):
I was kind of nervous for this one.
But no, why, I don't know.
Just ever been on a pod, neverhad a microphone in my face,
cameras in my face, you lookgood man, it's a little
different.
You look good, I think.
I think it went well.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Do you have, do you have any messages for anyone
that uh listen to this.
That's part of your, a part ofyour crew.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Just my brothers.
Man, I love my brothers, youknow they're in it with me.
No, we're trying to open mybrothers AJ and Jesse.
What's with the name?
The name Farallon.
It means high, dwelling likesteep cliffs.
It's kind of a metaphor forjujitsu Always climbing the
(54:30):
cliff, trying to get higher, getbetter.
Speaker 1 (54:33):
So is your gym open now or no?
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, still trying to talk to the investors and all
that stuff, but the ball shouldget rolling pretty fast soon
hopefully.
Speaker 1 (54:40):
So once you do get started, we'll talk about that
next time, I'm sure there'sgonna be a lot of things that
you don't know, that you'regonna know.
Speaker 2 (54:47):
Yeah, a lot of uh bumps in the road I'm sure to
come, but gotta overcome it yeahwell, you're in great hands
with uh magic mike over here ohyeah, definitely got a good
mentor yeah, what do you think,mike?
Speaker 3 (54:58):
I love it.
I love everything.
I mean I'm.
I love california.
You know I the gym has broughtin nothing but great people,
including yourself.
You came in random and everyoneI've great friendships with.
Having Juno always down isgreat, because when he comes
down he always teaches.
Everyone loves to learn fromhim, so it helps me out and,
(55:19):
yeah, makes everybody better.
You know, like I said, it's,it's been a family thing for us
our whole lives.
You know my whole family trains, yeah, the way from my uh
youngest niece all the way to myoldest nephew, so we always uh
got it covered.
Speaker 1 (55:33):
So, yeah, yeah, man, no, I really.
I really appreciate both of youfor letting me come into your
gym and train.
Uh, like I said, I found youbecause, uh, I was picking up a
pizza.
I didn't know.
I think you just opened up, youdidn't have a banner up yet,
even no.
So it was uh, and things happenfor a reason, absolutely things
happen for a reason.
So one last question, and we'llround it off here.
But, uh, do you know if you hadto walk out for a super fight,
(55:56):
what's your anthem?
Speaker 2 (55:58):
oh, that's a hard one , something kid cuddy probably.
I'm a big kid cuddy fan, hey atnight.
Yeah, that's a hard one,something kid cuddy probably.
I'm a big kid cuddy fan, hey atnight that's a good one,
seriously or king wizard I wasjust kidding, I'm a little bit
of wizard myself.
Uh, or something by drake.
Speaker 1 (56:12):
I'm a big drake fan we got magic mike the magician,
and we have juno the wizard, orjudini is what they like to call
me.
That's right, they called youthat last time.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
But yeah, gave you a shout out, shout out, nate, you
just got his purple, belt.
Yeah, he got his purple beltlast night.
He's the boy, what.
Speaker 3 (56:28):
Yeah, he got his purple belt last night.
Speaker 2 (56:29):
He's like family.
Speaker 1 (56:30):
Nice.
I'm proud of him.
Speaker 2 (56:32):
He's like a brother.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
That's awesome oh yeah the redheaded, yeah, the
redheaded sibling, yeah,congrats, nate.
Good job, man.
Shit, nate's a tough dude.
Speaker 2 (56:46):
For sure, bro Nate's gonna be a savage.
I gotta get my licks now tillhe's banging with me soon.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
So yeah, absolutely he's gonna be.
He's gonna be.
Trouble is right now actually.
I mean, yeah, he's alreadytrouble, I know.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
I gotta turn it up to kind of put it on him he's
tough.
What's your anthem, mike?
Super fight.
You're walking out jeez,probably lmfao.
Speaker 3 (57:08):
No, you know, maybe I mean no, probably.
Uh, maybe california.
Speaker 6 (57:11):
Love by tupac oh yeah , that's a good one.
You know, I like it.
Speaker 1 (57:13):
I like to claim california now as my own, so
yeah, dude, those old schoolriffs, man, they, they have
never been replaced, never.
The kids today are listening tothem.
Yeah, damn right, all rightguys.
Well, hey, I want to say thankyou for joining me on the
podcast.
Man, we're going to have youback again.
I hope you guys are willing todo it again.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
Yeah, there's some of them here for sure.
Speaker 3 (57:46):
Clean up the videos a little bit and we'll put
together a playlist and uh anddo some commentary.
Let's go.
I love it.
Thanks for having us manappreciate it.
It's always, uh, you alwaysmake us feel really welcome and,
you know, really appreciate it.
Thanks for believing in the, inour journey as well.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
So and yeah, too easy , man.
You guys are both like greatguys, man.
You guys definitely.
I think you gain a lot morerespect for people when you get
on the mats and you have themwhoop your ass and and so it's
like it's I look at peopledifferently, man, you know, oh
yeah, but anyways, hey, foreveryone else out there, thanks
for joining us.
I hope you guys learned alittle bit more about juno,
judini and uh and mike.
(58:13):
So thank you for joining us.
I appreciate you guys.
As always, I want you staytuned, stay focused and stay
motivated.
Warriors fall out.
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