August 14, 2024 • 47 mins
Imagine the life of a former Army Black Hawk pilot who faced immense pressure and severe anxiety, leading to a life-altering panic attack. In this episode, we have the privilege of hearing from Sarah Moore, who poignantly shares her journey from post-9/11 enlistee to aviation officer, and how the intensity of military life steered her toward advocating for mental health. Sarah reveals the prevalent unhealthy coping mechanisms in the military, such as excessive drinking and lack of sleep, and explains how these experiences fueled her mission to support other veterans through her business, Blue Side Yoga.
As the only female service member in her family during wartime, Sarah offers a unique perspective on the emotional and physical struggles faced by military families. She discusses the challenges of transitioning back to civilian life, dealing with PTSD, and managing post-deployment pain, as well as her journey from military service to federal law enforcement. This profound realization of the need for mental health resources led to the creation of Blue Side Yoga, a program aimed at helping veterans scientifically understand and manage stress. Sarah emphasizes the importance of reintegrating into family life and finding a sense of home again.
We also explore the transformative power of yoga and meditation for veterans and first responders, with Sarah recounting how a neurosurgeon's recommendation sparked her personal journey with yoga. From overcoming common misconceptions to understanding the mind-body connection, Sarah highlights the mental and physical benefits of yoga.
We introduce innovative virtual training programs like the "Warrior Mindset" and "Mountain Athlete" courses, designed to prepare participants for mental and physical challenges. The episode culminates with an exciting 12-week program that includes a trek in Nepal, aimed at fostering mental fitness and holistic healing. Join us for an episode packed with invaluable insights and actionable advice on mental health and well-being.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the Morning Formation.
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It's time for formation.
Today, folks, I have a guest onhere who is a former military
Army Black Hawk pilot was alsoenlisted prior to that which a
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lot of times folks call thoseMustangs right, which I myself
went through the sameprogression in the military.
So I have a lot of respect forthat specific, I guess, journey
or track when it comes to yourcareer.
And one of the things that myguest today, sarah Moore from
Blue Side Yoga, discovered wasthe self-awareness to take care
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of her mental health.
So I'm going to give anopportunity for Sarah to
introduce herself and talk alittle bit about her background
and where she comes from, andthen we'll get into talking
about her business that helpsveterans cope with mental health
through the wilderness.
Sarah, thank, you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so happy to be here and Ilove the parallels that we have
with our career.
So a little bit about mybackground.
9-11 really shaped my entirelife.
So I didn't have a lot ofaspirations for military or
anything before 9-11 happened.
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It happened when I was in myfreshman year in college and by
the end of the week I was in therecruiter's office and I knew
that was the path I was going totake.
So from the start of age 19, Iwas living in that army world
and took whatever job wasavailable at that time and that
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happened to be a truck driverand I just rolled with it, no
pun intended.
So did the whole pre-Iraq wardeal.
Eventually got back to collegeand somehow enjoyed the army so
much I knew I wanted to make itmy career.
So I went to, ended up goingaviation and from there my
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flying career just kind of tookoff.
So I was an air assault companycommander deployed.
A couple of times we were inIraq, finished up in Kosovo.
A couple of times we were inIraq, finished up in Kosovo.
But throughout that time it wasabout eight years into my career
where the stress and everythingjust started building up and so
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I think that's kind of aboutthe time where I see my peers
start to get burnout as well.
So it's like that eight-yearmark where things just start to
kind of pile up.
But we can talk about a littlebit of that later.
But as I was going through mycareer, I started picking up
these bits and pieces of mentalhealth and realizing that the
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lifestyle that we live, whichmainly is the suck it up and
drive on, and these really poorcoping mechanisms that are
normal for us in the militaryaren't helpful overall for your
whole system and you're going toburn out really quickly.
So, mid-career, I startedrecognizing that and then from
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there got more into peer support, learning about neuroscience,
learning about the nervoussystem and trying to that into
daily life and encouragingothers that, hey, your mental
health has to be a priority.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And I saw part of the replay from the presentation
that you put on last week andyou talked about when it dawned
on you that you need to focusmore on your mental health, and
I think it happened during atraining exercise.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It did so the time that I had so I actually had
such a huge anxiety attack thatI got sent to the ER and leading
up to that I had no idea whatwas going on in my mind and body
and no idea that it was thatsevere that I was just kind of
waiting for that next reallystressful moment to just snap my
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whole nervous system.
And so that happened about itwas about six months post-Iraq
deployment.
I was in the aviation captain'scareer course, which ended up
being my reward for deploying,which you kind of see it in the
surge.
That's kind of a downtime to goto a school because you're not
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deploying.
I was in the midst of dealingwith a lot of post-deployment
issues.
So I was having severe neck andback pain, my arm was going
numb, but it was also stuff thatI was ignoring, thinking that
like, well, it's just life.
I had no idea that that wasrelated to the stressors that I
had just gone through or thephysical injuries of carrying
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the amount of armor and weightand stuff that we had to do
while flying, on my size framewhich I'm not a big person so a
lot of that was really messingwith my back.
I came home from Iraq.
I didn't really have anywhere tolive.
I was in an abusive marriage,verbally and physically, and so
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the cumulative of all of thatstuff what an addition to the
you know unhealthy copingmechanisms that we all have,
which is drinking too much overcaffeinating, not getting enough
sleep, all that stuff.
So in the middle of the dunkerexercise, which is the
helicopter egress training thatwe do for pilots, I had such a
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panic attack that it was justunrecoverable for me and it was
terrifying because I didn't knowI was having that.
It was like tunnel vision.
I couldn't stop physicallyshaking and then it was getting
pulled from the pool in front ofthe rest of my fellow captains
going through the school.
That was super, superembarrassing and at that point
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it was like, well, I haven'tdealt with all this other stuff.
Now my flying career is indanger, which was the only thing
I cared about at that time, andthat's really when I had to hit
pause on my career andeverything else to focus on my
mental health and get back inthe game.
So that kind of story is what Idon't want to see other people
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go through, because we'reignoring these mental health
issues.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's interesting that that hit you during a training
exercise and not during yourdeployment.
Did you ever, at any point inyour deployment, have a moment
where you might've had atactical pause and you thought
to yourself that this isn'tnormal?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't think at that point I was correlating trauma
and stress, trauma and stressand it was just.
Things were so busy then that itwas just the day-to-day life,
and it wasn't until I got homewhere everything was just
amplified where you kind ofrealized, okay, that wasn't
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normal and that wasn't okay.
It was stuff where at home where, like the tiniest things I
would get so upset over, andthen the hypervigilance and not
being able to calm down and notbeing able to sleep, and then,
you know, I would have these,these nightmares that were I
don't I don't know like how tocategorize them as nightmares,
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but it was these, like I callthem, stress streams, and I
don't know if that's a technicalterm or not, but it was a thing
where it's like I can't get myweapon out, I can't get my
sights focused.
That was part of the dream,where it was this internal panic
of something that I can't do tosave myself or others.
But that was allpost-deployment stuff, and so I
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think that, like I say, suck itup and drive on can't be a
lifestyle, but it kind of had tobe when we were deployed.
But we're not taught how toshut it off, because our nervous
systems cannot live stuck onhigh, and that's exactly what
happens when we're in thosetypes of environments, because
we're always on.
So it was post for me wheneverything started to kind of
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fall apart.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, looking back at everything, I guess I didn't
realize it at the time, buteverything hit me once I came
back from deployment as well.
You know, I found out that abulge disc and my L5, um, when I
came back, I was walking to PTformation one day and I
literally my legs just foldedout from underneath me and I
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just sat on the ground and itwas so embarrassing because two
of my soldiers had to pick me upand put me in a vehicle and
take me to sick call and like asa first lieutenant at that time
that was really reallyembarrassing.
You know, and I can understandwhat you're talking about with
the helicopter training incidentwhere you're right there in
front of your beers and you'relike suck it up and drive on and
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I was telling myself mentallyget up.
Like what's wrong legs, whycan't you get up?
So I did.
I definitely identify with youon that for sure.
And I was just curious, sarah,why did you choose aviation?
That?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
for sure.
And I was just curious, sarah,why did you choose aviation?
So that's a great question.
I am a third generation pilotin my family.
So my grandfather flew in theArmy Air Corps and then turned
into the Air Force and then myfather is a fixed wing pilot.
He did not go military, he'scorporate, but it just is one of
those things that's in my blood.
So it was just that goal mywhole life to fly something.
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And the way that life kind ofled, you know, like I said, 9-11
kind of paved my future.
Army aviation was the way Iended up going and I always had
this love for the air assaultmission and so that was my goal
to make sure that I ended up inthat type of unit and being an
air assault pilot.
And thankfully the starsaligned and I was a company
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commander, so that was reallyawesome for heading that sort of
helicopter flight direction.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, we have a lot in common actually.
Flight direction yeah, we havea lot in common actually.
That's really interesting too,because you know, my dad was in
the military as well for 20years, and so I was.
Were you a military bratgrowing up?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Nope.
So I was the only one in myimmediate family that went
military.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, okay, yeah, so what?
So what was that like,especially during war?
What was that like?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
yeah, especially during war, there was a lot of
concern.
Well, the only thing, the thingtoo, is I'm the only female in
my immediate family, so I've gottwo brothers and they never
went military, which is kind offunny, um, but it was really
concerning and it was really newfor my parents.
Because here I am at 19,leaving college, and this
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inevitable war is starting andI'm a fuel truck driver and we
like, looking back at the startof the war.
That was such a horrible placeto be in a convoy, um, and so
the stress of, you know, myfamily watching me go from you
know college to enlisted andjust pouring my heart into
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wanting to serve my country wasnerve wracking and I was
thankful.
You know, my mom got involvedwith the family readiness group
and all the you know all thethings so that she knew what was
going on.
But it still was a reallydifficult and stressful time of,
you know, being that that onlydaughter in the family that
raised her hand to go go off andfight a war.
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So, and then continue when Igot back and then, you know,
dealing with all the the youknow post-deployment issues of
the physical back pain and thenall you know PTSD and all that
kind of stuff.
No one really knows how to dealwith it.
And was really tough, you know,especially in the early parts
of of uh, operation iraqifreedom of like.
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You know, how are we going tocome back?
How do we integrate?
How do we, you know, is who amI again in this family?
And it's it's.
It's hard to just step rightback into that because you have
to merge who you were beforewith who you are now and that's
very two different people.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I think that's one of the more difficult parts.
That's not spoken about when itcomes to PTS is the
assimilation back to the dinnertable to people who have never
served before and havingconversations with them.
It changes and sometimes you'renot heard.
Sometimes people form verystrong opinions about certain
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things and they've never walkeda mile in your boots before.
And it's interesting too,because I was actually a
transportation platoon leaderwhen I was down range.
What year were you in Iraq?
What year was your first?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
time deploying.
Well, so the first time this isreally funny we enlisted and we
were supposed to be on theinitial invasion.
So we were supposed to go withthe fourth ID down through
Turkey and they closed the doorsto that.
So, us being attached to thefourth ID, we got mobilized, we
were ready to go.
We were literally on the planethree times and then they got us
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off the plane and we never setfoot in country when I was
enlisted.
So the time I was over therewas when, after I became a pilot
and we were doing a lot oftroop movement throughout the
country, but we were sittingthere with the first group ready
to be in the invasion and itjust never happened.
And the funny it's not funny,it's, it's actually actually
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kind of horrible that peopledidn't realize the difference.
But when the whole jessicalynch thing happened, my mom got
so many calls and be like isthat sarah, is she over there?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
she's like no, it's a different blonde female, but
she's okay, yeah and so you getout of the military and then you
get a job working federal lawenforcement.
So you sign back up for a jobwhere you're back on the line
again really an alpha professionthat you get into.
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And at what point did youdecide to step off and quit
doing that but pursue blue sideyoga?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So as I got into the federal law enforcement job, I
started to see so many similarthings, with people being burnt
out and not addressing theamount of stress that we go
through and dealing, coping withthese really unhealthy
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mechanisms, particularly in ourlife alcohol and then really
trying to push to make adifference.
Because the resources are outthere, there's programs that can
teach us how to be mentallyresilient and teach it on a
scientific level, because ourcommunity is a really skeptical
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community.
So we need to learn the whybehind everything.
Before I just tell you like,hey, if you meditate, this is
going to really help calm youdown, like the average person in
our community is like don'ttell me to meditate, what is
that?
That's for hippies, I'm notdoing that.
But if I tell you, hey, whenyou meditate and you calm your
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breathing, you're going toengage your parasympathetic
nervous system.
That calms your nervous systemdown, that takes you off of the
fight or flight and therefore itstarts to regulate your nervous
system and therefore yourmental health.
And so when you start toexplain things scientifically,
we could have a huge buy-in fromour community, because the
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elite, elite, elite operatorsknow this and they're trained in
this and they do it.
So where's the disconnectbetween that and what we do when
we're still living every day inthis stress and going through
the training and being one ofthe people that was in the Army
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we call it casualty assistanceofficer.
There's not really equivalent inthe agency that I was in, but
that's the work that I was doingwith a officer suicide and that
point I realized.
The agency isn't responding tothis mental health crisis.
I was told that I can't say theword crisis and from that point
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on I kind of knew that my lifepath was going to be through
blue side yoga and helpingpeople scientifically understand
what is happening in thenervous system and then be able
to address it.
And that is the basis.
And it's funny, we talked abouthow hard it is to come back
home, but that's what I've named.
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My program is back home becauseyou need to learn how do I
integrate back home, how do Ileave the stress behind?
How do I deal with the stress?
How do I deal with triggers?
How do I talk to my family nowabout this?
And that is all the stuff thatwe cover in our back home
program.
That should be given to us inthe military and our agencies.
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It really should, but it's not,and so that's why I really felt
strongly, so strongly enoughthat I left my full-time law
enforcement job to pursue blueside yoga and help people
through this process.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And I was just curious why yoga For the
non-believers out there in yoga?
Why yoga?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I love that you asked this question because I've
actually had people tell me likeyou need to change your name
because no one's going to wantto work with you, but yoga was
the first thing that saved mylife.
So after my anxiety attack in2009, the VA's answer not the VA
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, the army, the military'sanswer was to give me a ton of
pain pills and muscle relaxers,and I wasn't willing to do that.
I was personally terrified thatI was going to be become
addicted to the painkillers and,plus, like the only joy I had
in my life at that time was myflying career and I was not
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about to let that go.
So I researched and I went outon my own and I went to a
neurosurgeon actually cause myback pain was so bad and he said
, well, he's like you shouldnaturally try yoga and then get
into like deep tissue massageand on chiropractic work and all
that stuff.
But yoga was the first thingthat he recommended and as soon
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as I started going to yoga, ittook probably about a month like
really going three times a weekand living it.
But then my arm so I had reallybad numbness in my arm.
My arm started to come back tolife and I was like, whoa,
there's something here.
And then it wasn't just thephysical, like getting all of
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our muscles to release, becausewe hold stress in our muscles,
especially our hips, back, neck,all of the areas.
So finally, when I was able toget those muscles to release,
the mental aspect startedfeeling better too.
I was like, oh, I'm actuallysleeping better and I'm
concentrating better and my mindisn't going through this
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constant hypervigilant state,and so I really credit yoga as
the first step to saving my life.
And I don't say those wordslightly.
I really think I was going downa very scary path lightly, like
I really think I was going downa very scary path.
And so that's why yoga is soimportant to me, because it was
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the first step in getting me onthe right path to understanding
what happened in my mind andbody and understand what happens
in others, as they've gonethrough very similar situations.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
The only time in my life that I ever felt 100% like
mentally and physically was whennext to my gym there was a hot
yoga place and I I was alwaysconcerned about being injured.
That was my biggest concern.
I got to go to work.
I can't be injured, so let metry this yoga thing so I can
stay flexible and, and you know,that prevents injuries, and so
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I go in there.
The best part about it was thatit was an hour out of my day
when I started going like two,three times a week, uh, where my
phone was not with me and itwas just, it was a hot yoga, so
you had to focus on yourbreathing and and I felt so good
after just like two months ofdoing it and, uh, I was really
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sad when I moved away from thatplace because it was so
convenient to get to, and so I'ma believer in it.
I suggest yoga to everybody,but at the end of the day it's
like who's actually going to godo it?
You know that's the biggestchallenge of it all.
Do you find a lot of difficultyin convincing folks to give it
a shot?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I do, so I get a lot of excuse.
So it's the usual excuses thatI'm not flexible, the all that
kind of stuff which you caneasily like if you're not
flexible.
That's why you should go toyoga.
It would be like telling youlike, hey, I don't speak Spanish
so I can't go to Spanish class.
Like, no, you go to Spanishclass to learn how to speak
Spanish, so you go to yoga to bemore flexible and more calm and
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controlling the mind and allthat, the mind-body connection.
But the other one that I foundwas really interesting, and I
was a PT instructor for thefederal agency that I was with,
and so I was always offeringyoga and stretching.
And I had one guy come up to meand he's like I can't do yoga
because it's too boring for me.
And so I was like, okay, Itotally understand where you're
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coming from, because our mindsare so busy that when we finally
have a time where we have tosit still or have to that, when
we finally have a time where wehave to sit still or have to
hold a pose or hold a stretch,we as military and first
responders, have trained ourminds and bodies to feel like
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work.
Being feminine is uncomfortable, and so our bodies have learned
that to be a threat.
So we react to it like I can'tdo this, I don't want to do this
, this isn't comfortable for me,and they're going to fight that
tendency to do it.
So when I come across someonelike that, I try to explain
scientifically, like this is whyit's boring for you, or this is
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why you're uncomfortable doingit.
It's because your mind isconstantly activated and
constantly on.
So you need to come back and becentered and start to train the
mind to not be going everywhich way and to focus on the
task at hand, and so it'sinteresting to see that
perspective.
So I don't think I made him acomplete believer, but at least
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had the light bulb of like, wow,they're okay.
So there is more going on thanme just thinking that this is a
a boring workout, or you knowsomething that I don't like.
And if you take away themindset of it being boring and
put it into the, the mindsetlike oh no, I am training my
mind and body because ourwestern society has made those
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two things separate and theyreally aren't when you can
combine the two and know that,okay, I need to do both of these
things, then you can, you know,get the the full benefit from
that yoga practice oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Just shutting off the noise in this Western society
is difficult, right?
That's why I love podcasting somuch, is, you can actually get
two to three tiers deep into aconversation, versus the short
form video that everyone'sfallen in love with here in the
last few years.
I hope that we come back to asociety where we actually stop
and listen to each other, umother and take the time to fully
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understand one another, butalso understand ourselves too,
and that's why I really likewhat you're doing, because it
involves a lot of self-awarenessand a lot of accountability.
So talk about what you offer.
As far as the trips for thefirst responders and the
veterans to the Himalayas.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, so my goal.
So I have to give you a littlebackstory on why, particularly I
fell in love with the Himalayas.
So it was always a goal for meto hike to Everest Base Camp and
for some reason, ever since Iwas a little kid, I was always
obsessed with Mount Everest.
I had the picture in my roomlike no idea why.
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Uh.
So when I graduated from uh,georgetown with my master's
degree, I was like, finally,this is my gift to myself and
I'm going to do this.
And I had just gone through allof the neuroscience training
and understanding the mind andbody and really starting to
think of like, okay, I need tostart to focus back on myself
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and give myself this quiet gift.
So I went over and did theEverest Base Camp Trek and it
was about day seven, maybe six,two, it doesn't matter Anyways,
two days before I actually getto base camp and we're really
high altitude and it's just thisgorgeous Alpine hiking and I'm
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walking alone and I'm justlistening to nothing.
I'm enjoying the quietness andI felt like I had this like bugs
, exoskeleton that I was wearingand and it felt like it was
just cracking away and as I'mfeeling this, I could feel, I
felt like it was like the weightof my service, the weight of
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PTSD, the weight of the physicalpain, the weight of just trauma
, and it felt like it was justbreaking away and like I felt so
free and I knew scientificallyabout seven days like something
like that may happen, becausethat's about the time where it
takes for the body to calm down.
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So I had no cell service.
It was just me.
I'm eating healthy, I'm notdrinking like all of these like
this, like a perfect storm inthe most positive sense to like
finally come back to who.
I started to feel like being meagain.
And so as I finished that thatlittle walk and I felt like
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completely enlightenedafterwards, I was like I want
others to feel this, becausewhen I came back from Iraq and I
came back from Kosovo anddealing with everything else, I
didn't think that I could feelpeace ever again because I
always had that stress and thatjust kind of like heavy anger
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looming over me and I was likeit's possible, it's possible, I
have to share this with others.
So that was the start of why Iwanted to do blue side yoga and
not just teach people about thenervous system and science and
stress and how to heal.
But it's a tough journey andyou know this.
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Just keeping up with yoga likeGod, I know it's good, but how
do I keep up with it?
So if I start working with youand our end goal is to do this
amazing trek in Nepal that youhave to physically and mentally
prepare yourself for, and we'redoing it with a group of others
that are in the same boat,that's where I'm like, that's
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where healing happens.
And so we spend about 12 weeksprior 12 to 14, 16 weeks prior
to the trek, spend about 12weeks prior 12 to 14, 16 weeks
prior to the trek working onthis stuff together.
We do yoga virtually.
We do a whole program onneuroscience.
I teach you the effects ofmeditation and how to meditate,
so that it's a brain exerciseand not some wooey, you know,
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kind of hippie exercise.
And then we come together as agroup and we're physically in
Nepal together and we're doingthis trek.
And so that's why, as a group,and we're physically in Nepal
together and we're doing thistrek, and so that's that's why I
fell in love with Nepal, andyou know the whole journey to
the other side of the world forsuch a positive thing, um was
just.
I was like I have to figure outhow to actually make this
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happen and I've done it.
So we're in year two ofbringing our folks over to Nepal
and it just keeps growing andit's just been an amazing
opportunity and I just am soproud of everyone that's decided
to do the work and then show upand just have a fabulous time
on the trail.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So how many folks did you have travel with you last
year?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
So last year we had a group of 10 for our Everest, so
we call it the Everest PanoramaTrek, so we don't go all the
way up to Everest Base Camp onthis one, and so that one is
that was 12 days of trekking andit was certainly challenging
and we all had our moments.
Yeah, so that was last year,and then I just kept getting
(29:24):
more asks for more trucks, andso this year we've got three
going on.
I still have room If there'sany of your listeners that are
interested in heading out thisyear.
I do have spots left.
And then now I'm looking at2025, which is going to be even
bigger.
So it's, it's taken off, whichis a nice thing.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And all the training that you're talking about that
leads up to it.
I mean, this is available forfolks that live all across the
US.
This is virtual.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's correct.
Yeah, so the lead up trainingso we do a warrior mindset
course and it's a 12 week course, and there's these minor tasks
that you do every day, becausemind fitness and really healing
from this is not something thatyou can be like.
Well, maybe every other weekI'll do an hour Like it's.
(30:11):
It's the repetitive braintraining of keeping yourself
present and keeping focused, andit also teaches you that this
healthy lifestyle and to keep ontrack doesn't take that long
every day.
So you give yourself about fiveminutes a day and you'll really
start to see some turnaround.
So that's our 12-week course.
(30:32):
And then I have a 16-weekmountain athlete course that
everybody gets, no matter whatkind of physical shape that
you're in, and that's designedto take somebody that isn't used
to trekking at all and it'llprepare them to do a 10 mile
trek, which is definitely thelongest that we would do any day
in Nepal.
So if you can do that trek atthe end, then you're you're set
(30:53):
to go.
So, yeah, we set you up forsuccess with this and you're
never alone.
So that's the, that's the bigbenefit of this you up for
success with this and you'renever alone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So that's the, that's the big benefit of this.
And, sarah, what is, what wouldyou say, is your ultimate goal
at the end of all this?
I know one of your goals is tohelp others out with their own
mental health, but where wouldyou like to see this go in five
to 10 years from now?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I want this training not be something that is outside
of our organizations.
So even though that's what hasto be provided now because our
agencies have not bought intothis but this sort of training
and this sort of mental healthawareness needs to start from
(31:42):
day one to let you know, like,hey, when you join the military
you got to go hard throughtraining, you got to go hard
through combat, but when you'renot in those scenarios, there's
got to be something that teachesus to come back down to our
normal baseline, back down toour normal baseline.
(32:05):
So my goal would be to havethis like, have so much
awareness about this that it's anormal conversation within
units, it's normal trainingwithin units and you don't have
to break before you get to learnabout this stuff.
It should be like preventativemedicine out there.
So that's my goal is to getthis a normal, a normal
conversation, a normal practicein everything that we do.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Sarah, my last question to you is this, and
it's probably a pretty difficultquestion how do you get a
veteran to to understandself-awareness and
accountability?
The reason I ask this questionis because I had a Marine
veteran call me this week justcrying.
(32:49):
I was literally in the middleof jujitsu class and I'm
watching my daughter do jujitsuand he calls me up crying
because he's going through adivorce, he hasn't seen his kids
in forever and I've told himover and over again hey, you
need to go seek therapy, youneed to find some positive
influence, you need to.
I mean, in today's day and agethere's really no excuse because
(33:10):
they have like meet me apps.
You know where you can meetfolks in groups that will do
physical training and thingslike that.
And, being from the military,physical fitness is kind of a
base, a foundation foreverything.
So I was suggesting that to himand at the end of it all it was
just like, well, I don't, Idon't that, it doesn't work for
me, it's everything was likejust negative and no
(33:32):
accountability at all.
And it's kind of one of thosesituations where your own you
are your own worst enemy,because there is no
accountability and there is noself-awareness.
Own.
You are your own worst enemybecause there is no
accountability and there is noself-awareness.
Do you have any suggestions onhow to get folks to come around
to considering something likewhat with what you're doing, uh,
(33:52):
or to just take thataccountability and take their
own mental health awareness intheir own hands?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
God, I wish I had an answer for this, because I would
have multiple sold out treks ifthat was the case, I think, the
biggest impact that I've beenable to see and to get people to
open up and realize this.
So there's two ways,unfortunately.
Unfortunately, one way is whereit's like the individual you're
(34:18):
just talking about you break sobadly that you have no other
choice than to take a timeout,and that's what happened to me
in the middle of dunker training.
Like I, my nervous system brokeso badly that I had to stop
flying.
I had to go.
I was forced to go see apsychiatrist, I was forced into,
you know, taking a break andtaking a step back, and it
(34:40):
doesn't have to be like that.
So part of it is you're going tobreak yourself and then you're
going to learn the hard way, oryou can learn from people like
me and my story to not end upthat way, because all the signs
are there and when I look backat it, yeah, now that I know
(35:01):
what I know, of course Ifreaking, had a breakdown.
I had so much on my plate andtrying to handle so much on my
own.
Our bodies aren't designed todo this.
It's not a sign of weakness,and it's not that I wasn't
mentally tough enough.
There's a point where thingsjust snap.
So I think the training and thescientific aspect of what goes
(35:27):
on behind the body to learn thatlike hey, listen, man, you are
going through a divorce, you'regoing through XYZ, you're
probably not dealing with this.
Well, I'm going to guess thatyou're not sleeping.
Well, I'm going to guess thatyou're using alcohol and you're
probably over-caffeinatingduring the day.
And then you're probablycompartmentalizing and not
dealing with stuff which nowwe've got unresolved trauma
(35:50):
that's just going to live withinthe body.
So when we can start to showpeople that we got to unpack
this stuff, guys, and we got tostart intervening, and when we
we can, we should be able to seeit in ourselves.
But when we train more peopleabout this, we can see it in
others.
So like you can see in him thatthey're you know, going back to
(36:14):
your example like there'ssomething going on.
Or you know, there's plenty ofareas where I was able to
deescalate a situation which isour huge buzzword in law
enforcement.
But when you can see somebodywith their nervous system is so
active, and so when youunderstand what's going on there
, you can take a break and takea step back and deescalate the
(36:35):
situation instead of ramping upand matching their level.
So I think I don't know.
I unfortunately think we'restill at the point where people
are breaking until they realizethat they actually need help.
But I hope, by conversationsthat we're having, showing that
like, hey, you know what, youcan heal yourself and guess what
(36:56):
.
There's nothing wrong with this.
You're learning about the mindand body.
And then, oh, by the way, we'regoing to go have a fantastic
vacation in Nepal.
At the end, that reward to belike, yeah, let me actually put
the work in and give these 12weeks to myself and see how this
is going to work.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, I definitely think that putting it out there
and marketing it, I mean,sometimes people have to come
around on their own, but it kindof has to be offered and it has
to be there.
So, even if you and I arehaving this conversation, maybe
it's in their ear and maybe it'stheir time and they say, yeah,
you know what?
That sounds really cool.
Let me give this a shot,because I've hit rock bottom at
(37:35):
this point, and sometimes peopledo need to hit rock bottom.
Self-awareness is very, verydifficult and, as I always say,
it's hard for folks to seethemselves dancing on stage.
And that's kind of how thislife is.
It's a stage and you can't seeyour performance, but people
around you are giving youfeedback and telling you hey,
you need to get help, you needto consider doing this or doing
(37:57):
that, and we need to listen tothat sometimes, because we can
be our own worst enemies.
Now the trek that you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It does come at a cost, right, and how much is
that?
So the one that we have openright now for this year is uh,
the cost of this is 2,400.
And I do run a special rightnow for, uh, if you bring a
friend, you get 100 off and yourfriend gets 100 off.
So that's the base cost of it.
But it's two weeks on the trail, everything is covered.
(38:31):
So you get meals, lodging theguides, like everything is paid
for once you arrive in Kathmandu.
So there's not many places thatyou can go on a two plus week
vacation for for about $2,300.
Um, and then get the mindfitness training and all the
education that you get on top ofall that, that breaks down to
(38:54):
about $170, $171 a day, rightFor 14 days.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, $171 a day, I mean, that's pretty much what it
would cost you to stay at ahotel room for one night.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Um, yeah, it's not it's not a bad investment when
you're thinking about, you know,the, the camaraderie that you
get and then all of the mentalhealth training and, you know,
physical fitness training thatyou get leading up to it, cause
that that program is allincluded.
Um, so, like you can't gettherapy and I'm not saying that
(39:27):
it is therapy, but I'm sayinglike you can't get this kind of
education and camaraderie andall that kind of stuff for that
sort of price.
But, um, yeah, so we have aboutsix spots left for this year,
so things are going prettyquickly.
But it's our um, our Annapurnabase camp trek, and nobody knows
what Annapurna is, but it's the10th highest mountain in the
world, it's in the Himalayas.
(39:49):
Um, we go to Kathmandu, we lookcool sites and then, yeah, we go
to that mountain and we go allthe way to the base camp.
Um, and it's one of the mostbeautiful treks, the base camp
and it's one of the mostbeautiful treks.
Like everyone loves Everestbecause it's Mount Everest and I
get it.
But I think Annapurna is whereit's going to be this year
because there's you got tofollow me on social media.
(40:11):
I'm going to post some picturesabout it coming up soon, but
it's just the scenery there isout of this world.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Now, is this specifically just for first
responders and military veterans, or do you also take other
people on these treks as well?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So the initial, so whoever signs up initially needs
to be a military veteran orfirst responder, and then from
there, if you want to bring afriend or adult family member,
then I'm always supportive ofsomebody coming along that helps
you in your healing journey,because they get the whole
(40:46):
mindfulness program as well.
So I really feel like for usthat healing takes a community,
and so if you have someone aspecial friend, significant
other, spouse that is going tosupport you on that, then they
absolutely need to be able tocome and do that.
I keep it to adults only.
I have had questions in thepast if kids can come and just
because of the nature of who weare as veterans and first
(41:09):
responders and the conversationsthat we have are not always,
not always children friendly,and then you know the fact that
too, like we are there healingand it's such, you know,
sometimes it gets to be a prettybig emotional rollercoaster
when we're talking about deepstuff, and so just the comfort
of having, you know, your ownpeers around and not having
(41:30):
children exposed to that is whywe really keep it to just adults
only.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
If anything, that wouldprobably cause more stress to
have your have your kids thereas well.
As well, you know you're notable to get that peace and quiet
uh, sometimes, but uh, withthat being said, sarah, I really
appreciate you going throughand explaining, uh, the
organization that you puttogether.
I really appreciate, you know,at the end of the day, like I
(41:55):
said, 171 a day uh, to be aroundlike-minded folks who are
looking for that healing elementis really not a bad price.
Like I said, that's really howmuch it would cost for you to
stay at a hotel domesticallyhere, I know, here in Southern
California, that's that's like$200 a night for a Marriott or
whatever.
But, um, is there anything thatI didn't mention, sarah, that
(42:16):
you'd like to talk about beforewe finish up the podcast that I
failed to ask or failed to bringup?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
No, I don't have anything huge to add.
I just I'm so thankful that weare able to have this
conversation and we come fromsimilar worlds and the more
people that I talk to about thismindfulness and the stress and
what we go through, the morepeople are like yeah, me too.
So I'm like, okay, so why don'twork with me?
Let's do something about this?
You know we have, we haveresources like you don't have to
(42:47):
live a life that is juststressed during the day and
hypervigilant and having thenightmares.
Like neuroplasticity, reshapingthe brain, it's a thing and
it's proven and we can do it.
So the last thing that I want toadd is I have a free warrior
mindset workbook and so ifthere's a way that we could
(43:08):
include the link or get that outto your folks and it's just a
way to start kind of assessingyour life and where you're at.
So it's not really diving intothe mind fitness stuff yet, but
it just makes you look and thinkof like, all right, these are
my goals, this is where I am,where do I maybe need to be
(43:29):
focusing more?
And it kind of helps youbalance your life a bit instead
of.
You know, a lot of us are allcareer and we kind of let
everything else go, and that'swhat I see a lot in our
community.
So it just kind of makes youthink a little bit about the
whole wheel of life sort ofthing, and where our spokes are
and where we need to maybe beconcentrating a little bit more
(43:50):
in our lives.
So I would love to offer thatto your listeners, and then, of
course, I would love to see thaton any of our trips.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Coming up Hell yeah, I'll definitely put that in the
show notes.
Uh, your website.
You want to plug that?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, bluesideyogacom .
And then um, if you want tocatch that, the workbook um,
it's just bluesideyogacom slashworkbook, but I'll get all those
links to you and you can putthem in the notes.
But I'm on the same thing onInstagram and Facebook with blue
side yoga and if you want tocheck some of my workouts out,
(44:28):
I've got a YouTube page as well,so you can start to get some
yoga in your life.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You're lucky you got the blue side yoga and all those
social media outlets, causenothing's more frustrating than
trying to get it and it's likealready taken up by someone and
it's not even being used.
So blue side yoga, it isalready taken up by someone and
it's not even being used.
So blue side yoga it is, and Iwill definitely put that in all
the show notes, um for this, aswell as the uh, the, the blog,
um that that I put up as well.
So, sarah, I really appreciatethe conversation today.
(44:53):
It was great getting to knowyou a little bit more and then
getting to know the organizationa little bit more.
Um, I'm looking forward tostaying in contact with you and
maybe doing a follow-up afterthe trek that you do to find out
.
You know, hey, you know whathappened, what did you learn?
What happened?
You know any cool events youknow and just overall interested
to hear what type of successyou get out of it.
(45:16):
So thank you so much for beingpart of the podcast today.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Thank you, I appreciate it too.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
All right, folks.
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Warriors fall out.
Welcome to the Morning Formation.
This episode is powered by Act.
Now Education Warriors fall in.
It's time for formation.
Today, folks, I have a guest onhere who is a former military
Army Black Hawk pilot was alsoenlisted prior to that which a
(00:26):
lot of times folks call thoseMustangs right, which I myself
went through the sameprogression in the military.
So I have a lot of respect forthat specific, I guess, journey
or track when it comes to yourcareer.
And one of the things that myguest today, sarah Moore from
Blue Side Yoga, discovered wasthe self-awareness to take care
(00:48):
of her mental health.
So I'm going to give anopportunity for Sarah to
introduce herself and talk alittle bit about her background
and where she comes from, andthen we'll get into talking
about her business that helpsveterans cope with mental health
through the wilderness.
Sarah, thank, you.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Thank you so much for having me.
I'm so happy to be here and Ilove the parallels that we have
with our career.
So a little bit about mybackground.
9-11 really shaped my entirelife.
So I didn't have a lot ofaspirations for military or
anything before 9-11 happened.
(01:27):
It happened when I was in myfreshman year in college and by
the end of the week I was in therecruiter's office and I knew
that was the path I was going totake.
So from the start of age 19, Iwas living in that army world
and took whatever job wasavailable at that time and that
(01:49):
happened to be a truck driverand I just rolled with it, no
pun intended.
So did the whole pre-Iraq wardeal.
Eventually got back to collegeand somehow enjoyed the army so
much I knew I wanted to make itmy career.
So I went to, ended up goingaviation and from there my
(02:12):
flying career just kind of tookoff.
So I was an air assault companycommander deployed.
A couple of times we were inIraq, finished up in Kosovo.
A couple of times we were inIraq, finished up in Kosovo.
But throughout that time it wasabout eight years into my career
where the stress and everythingjust started building up and so
(02:34):
I think that's kind of aboutthe time where I see my peers
start to get burnout as well.
So it's like that eight-yearmark where things just start to
kind of pile up.
But we can talk about a littlebit of that later.
But as I was going through mycareer, I started picking up
these bits and pieces of mentalhealth and realizing that the
(02:57):
lifestyle that we live, whichmainly is the suck it up and
drive on, and these really poorcoping mechanisms that are
normal for us in the militaryaren't helpful overall for your
whole system and you're going toburn out really quickly.
So, mid-career, I startedrecognizing that and then from
(03:17):
there got more into peer support, learning about neuroscience,
learning about the nervoussystem and trying to that into
daily life and encouragingothers that, hey, your mental
health has to be a priority.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And I saw part of the replay from the presentation
that you put on last week andyou talked about when it dawned
on you that you need to focusmore on your mental health, and
I think it happened during atraining exercise.
Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It did so the time that I had so I actually had
such a huge anxiety attack thatI got sent to the ER and leading
up to that I had no idea whatwas going on in my mind and body
and no idea that it was thatsevere that I was just kind of
waiting for that next reallystressful moment to just snap my
(04:15):
whole nervous system.
And so that happened about itwas about six months post-Iraq
deployment.
I was in the aviation captain'scareer course, which ended up
being my reward for deploying,which you kind of see it in the
surge.
That's kind of a downtime to goto a school because you're not
(04:35):
deploying.
I was in the midst of dealingwith a lot of post-deployment
issues.
So I was having severe neck andback pain, my arm was going
numb, but it was also stuff thatI was ignoring, thinking that
like, well, it's just life.
I had no idea that that wasrelated to the stressors that I
had just gone through or thephysical injuries of carrying
(04:59):
the amount of armor and weightand stuff that we had to do
while flying, on my size framewhich I'm not a big person so a
lot of that was really messingwith my back.
I came home from Iraq.
I didn't really have anywhere tolive.
I was in an abusive marriage,verbally and physically, and so
(05:21):
the cumulative of all of thatstuff what an addition to the
you know unhealthy copingmechanisms that we all have,
which is drinking too much overcaffeinating, not getting enough
sleep, all that stuff.
So in the middle of the dunkerexercise, which is the
helicopter egress training thatwe do for pilots, I had such a
(05:45):
panic attack that it was justunrecoverable for me and it was
terrifying because I didn't knowI was having that.
It was like tunnel vision.
I couldn't stop physicallyshaking and then it was getting
pulled from the pool in front ofthe rest of my fellow captains
going through the school.
That was super, superembarrassing and at that point
(06:10):
it was like, well, I haven'tdealt with all this other stuff.
Now my flying career is indanger, which was the only thing
I cared about at that time, andthat's really when I had to hit
pause on my career andeverything else to focus on my
mental health and get back inthe game.
So that kind of story is what Idon't want to see other people
(06:32):
go through, because we'reignoring these mental health
issues.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
It's interesting that that hit you during a training
exercise and not during yourdeployment.
Did you ever, at any point inyour deployment, have a moment
where you might've had atactical pause and you thought
to yourself that this isn'tnormal?
Speaker 2 (06:57):
I don't think at that point I was correlating trauma
and stress, trauma and stressand it was just.
Things were so busy then that itwas just the day-to-day life,
and it wasn't until I got homewhere everything was just
amplified where you kind ofrealized, okay, that wasn't
(07:19):
normal and that wasn't okay.
It was stuff where at home where, like the tiniest things I
would get so upset over, andthen the hypervigilance and not
being able to calm down and notbeing able to sleep, and then,
you know, I would have these,these nightmares that were I
don't I don't know like how tocategorize them as nightmares,
(07:41):
but it was these, like I callthem, stress streams, and I
don't know if that's a technicalterm or not, but it was a thing
where it's like I can't get myweapon out, I can't get my
sights focused.
That was part of the dream,where it was this internal panic
of something that I can't do tosave myself or others.
But that was allpost-deployment stuff, and so I
(08:03):
think that, like I say, suck itup and drive on can't be a
lifestyle, but it kind of had tobe when we were deployed.
But we're not taught how toshut it off, because our nervous
systems cannot live stuck onhigh, and that's exactly what
happens when we're in thosetypes of environments, because
we're always on.
So it was post for me wheneverything started to kind of
(08:28):
fall apart.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah, looking back at everything, I guess I didn't
realize it at the time, buteverything hit me once I came
back from deployment as well.
You know, I found out that abulge disc and my L5, um, when I
came back, I was walking to PTformation one day and I
literally my legs just foldedout from underneath me and I
(08:50):
just sat on the ground and itwas so embarrassing because two
of my soldiers had to pick me upand put me in a vehicle and
take me to sick call and like asa first lieutenant at that time
that was really reallyembarrassing.
You know, and I can understandwhat you're talking about with
the helicopter training incidentwhere you're right there in
front of your beers and you'relike suck it up and drive on and
(09:12):
I was telling myself mentallyget up.
Like what's wrong legs, whycan't you get up?
So I did.
I definitely identify with youon that for sure.
And I was just curious, sarah,why did you choose aviation?
That?
Speaker 2 (09:26):
for sure.
And I was just curious, sarah,why did you choose aviation?
So that's a great question.
I am a third generation pilotin my family.
So my grandfather flew in theArmy Air Corps and then turned
into the Air Force and then myfather is a fixed wing pilot.
He did not go military, he'scorporate, but it just is one of
those things that's in my blood.
So it was just that goal mywhole life to fly something.
(09:51):
And the way that life kind ofled, you know, like I said, 9-11
kind of paved my future.
Army aviation was the way Iended up going and I always had
this love for the air assaultmission and so that was my goal
to make sure that I ended up inthat type of unit and being an
air assault pilot.
And thankfully the starsaligned and I was a company
(10:12):
commander, so that was reallyawesome for heading that sort of
helicopter flight direction.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Yeah, we have a lot in common actually.
Flight direction yeah, we havea lot in common actually.
That's really interesting too,because you know, my dad was in
the military as well for 20years, and so I was.
Were you a military bratgrowing up?
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Nope.
So I was the only one in myimmediate family that went
military.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay, okay, yeah, so what?
So what was that like,especially during war?
What was that like?
Speaker 2 (10:46):
yeah, especially during war, there was a lot of
concern.
Well, the only thing, the thingtoo, is I'm the only female in
my immediate family, so I've gottwo brothers and they never
went military, which is kind offunny, um, but it was really
concerning and it was really newfor my parents.
Because here I am at 19,leaving college, and this
(11:07):
inevitable war is starting andI'm a fuel truck driver and we
like, looking back at the startof the war.
That was such a horrible placeto be in a convoy, um, and so
the stress of, you know, myfamily watching me go from you
know college to enlisted andjust pouring my heart into
(11:29):
wanting to serve my country wasnerve wracking and I was
thankful.
You know, my mom got involvedwith the family readiness group
and all the you know all thethings so that she knew what was
going on.
But it still was a reallydifficult and stressful time of,
you know, being that that onlydaughter in the family that
raised her hand to go go off andfight a war.
(11:50):
So, and then continue when Igot back and then, you know,
dealing with all the the youknow post-deployment issues of
the physical back pain and thenall you know PTSD and all that
kind of stuff.
No one really knows how to dealwith it.
And was really tough, you know,especially in the early parts
of of uh, operation iraqifreedom of like.
(12:13):
You know, how are we going tocome back?
How do we integrate?
How do we, you know, is who amI again in this family?
And it's it's.
It's hard to just step rightback into that because you have
to merge who you were beforewith who you are now and that's
very two different people.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I think that's one of the more difficult parts.
That's not spoken about when itcomes to PTS is the
assimilation back to the dinnertable to people who have never
served before and havingconversations with them.
It changes and sometimes you'renot heard.
Sometimes people form verystrong opinions about certain
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things and they've never walkeda mile in your boots before.
And it's interesting too,because I was actually a
transportation platoon leaderwhen I was down range.
What year were you in Iraq?
What year was your first?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
time deploying.
Well, so the first time this isreally funny we enlisted and we
were supposed to be on theinitial invasion.
So we were supposed to go withthe fourth ID down through
Turkey and they closed the doorsto that.
So, us being attached to thefourth ID, we got mobilized, we
were ready to go.
We were literally on the planethree times and then they got us
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off the plane and we never setfoot in country when I was
enlisted.
So the time I was over therewas when, after I became a pilot
and we were doing a lot oftroop movement throughout the
country, but we were sittingthere with the first group ready
to be in the invasion and itjust never happened.
And the funny it's not funny,it's, it's actually actually
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kind of horrible that peopledidn't realize the difference.
But when the whole jessicalynch thing happened, my mom got
so many calls and be like isthat sarah, is she over there?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
she's like no, it's a different blonde female, but
she's okay, yeah and so you getout of the military and then you
get a job working federal lawenforcement.
So you sign back up for a jobwhere you're back on the line
again really an alpha professionthat you get into.
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And at what point did youdecide to step off and quit
doing that but pursue blue sideyoga?
Speaker 2 (14:36):
So as I got into the federal law enforcement job, I
started to see so many similarthings, with people being burnt
out and not addressing theamount of stress that we go
through and dealing, coping withthese really unhealthy
(14:58):
mechanisms, particularly in ourlife alcohol and then really
trying to push to make adifference.
Because the resources are outthere, there's programs that can
teach us how to be mentallyresilient and teach it on a
scientific level, because ourcommunity is a really skeptical
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community.
So we need to learn the whybehind everything.
Before I just tell you like,hey, if you meditate, this is
going to really help calm youdown, like the average person in
our community is like don'ttell me to meditate, what is
that?
That's for hippies, I'm notdoing that.
But if I tell you, hey, whenyou meditate and you calm your
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breathing, you're going toengage your parasympathetic
nervous system.
That calms your nervous systemdown, that takes you off of the
fight or flight and therefore itstarts to regulate your nervous
system and therefore yourmental health.
And so when you start toexplain things scientifically,
we could have a huge buy-in fromour community, because the
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elite, elite, elite operatorsknow this and they're trained in
this and they do it.
So where's the disconnectbetween that and what we do when
we're still living every day inthis stress and going through
the training and being one ofthe people that was in the Army
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we call it casualty assistanceofficer.
There's not really equivalent inthe agency that I was in, but
that's the work that I was doingwith a officer suicide and that
point I realized.
The agency isn't responding tothis mental health crisis.
I was told that I can't say theword crisis and from that point
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on I kind of knew that my lifepath was going to be through
blue side yoga and helpingpeople scientifically understand
what is happening in thenervous system and then be able
to address it.
And that is the basis.
And it's funny, we talked abouthow hard it is to come back
home, but that's what I've named.
(17:09):
My program is back home becauseyou need to learn how do I
integrate back home, how do Ileave the stress behind?
How do I deal with the stress?
How do I deal with triggers?
How do I talk to my family nowabout this?
And that is all the stuff thatwe cover in our back home
program.
That should be given to us inthe military and our agencies.
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It really should, but it's not,and so that's why I really felt
strongly, so strongly enoughthat I left my full-time law
enforcement job to pursue blueside yoga and help people
through this process.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
And I was just curious why yoga For the
non-believers out there in yoga?
Why yoga?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I love that you asked this question because I've
actually had people tell me likeyou need to change your name
because no one's going to wantto work with you, but yoga was
the first thing that saved mylife.
So after my anxiety attack in2009, the VA's answer not the VA
(18:20):
, the army, the military'sanswer was to give me a ton of
pain pills and muscle relaxers,and I wasn't willing to do that.
I was personally terrified thatI was going to be become
addicted to the painkillers and,plus, like the only joy I had
in my life at that time was myflying career and I was not
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about to let that go.
So I researched and I went outon my own and I went to a
neurosurgeon actually cause myback pain was so bad and he said
, well, he's like you shouldnaturally try yoga and then get
into like deep tissue massageand on chiropractic work and all
that stuff.
But yoga was the first thingthat he recommended and as soon
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as I started going to yoga, ittook probably about a month like
really going three times a weekand living it.
But then my arm so I had reallybad numbness in my arm.
My arm started to come back tolife and I was like, whoa,
there's something here.
And then it wasn't just thephysical, like getting all of
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our muscles to release, becausewe hold stress in our muscles,
especially our hips, back, neck,all of the areas.
So finally, when I was able toget those muscles to release,
the mental aspect startedfeeling better too.
I was like, oh, I'm actuallysleeping better and I'm
concentrating better and my mindisn't going through this
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constant hypervigilant state,and so I really credit yoga as
the first step to saving my life.
And I don't say those wordslightly.
I really think I was going downa very scary path lightly, like
I really think I was going downa very scary path.
And so that's why yoga is soimportant to me, because it was
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the first step in getting me onthe right path to understanding
what happened in my mind andbody and understand what happens
in others, as they've gonethrough very similar situations.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
The only time in my life that I ever felt 100% like
mentally and physically was whennext to my gym there was a hot
yoga place and I I was alwaysconcerned about being injured.
That was my biggest concern.
I got to go to work.
I can't be injured, so let metry this yoga thing so I can
stay flexible and, and you know,that prevents injuries, and so
(20:44):
I go in there.
The best part about it was thatit was an hour out of my day
when I started going like two,three times a week, uh, where my
phone was not with me and itwas just, it was a hot yoga, so
you had to focus on yourbreathing and and I felt so good
after just like two months ofdoing it and, uh, I was really
(21:09):
sad when I moved away from thatplace because it was so
convenient to get to, and so I'ma believer in it.
I suggest yoga to everybody,but at the end of the day it's
like who's actually going to godo it?
You know that's the biggestchallenge of it all.
Do you find a lot of difficultyin convincing folks to give it
a shot?
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I do, so I get a lot of excuse.
So it's the usual excuses thatI'm not flexible, the all that
kind of stuff which you caneasily like if you're not
flexible.
That's why you should go toyoga.
It would be like telling youlike, hey, I don't speak Spanish
so I can't go to Spanish class.
Like, no, you go to Spanishclass to learn how to speak
Spanish, so you go to yoga to bemore flexible and more calm and
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controlling the mind and allthat, the mind-body connection.
But the other one that I foundwas really interesting, and I
was a PT instructor for thefederal agency that I was with,
and so I was always offeringyoga and stretching.
And I had one guy come up to meand he's like I can't do yoga
because it's too boring for me.
And so I was like, okay, Itotally understand where you're
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coming from, because our mindsare so busy that when we finally
have a time where we have tosit still or have to that, when
we finally have a time where wehave to sit still or have to
hold a pose or hold a stretch,we as military and first
responders, have trained ourminds and bodies to feel like
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work.
Being feminine is uncomfortable, and so our bodies have learned
that to be a threat.
So we react to it like I can'tdo this, I don't want to do this
, this isn't comfortable for me,and they're going to fight that
tendency to do it.
So when I come across someonelike that, I try to explain
scientifically, like this is whyit's boring for you, or this is
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why you're uncomfortable doingit.
It's because your mind isconstantly activated and
constantly on.
So you need to come back and becentered and start to train the
mind to not be going everywhich way and to focus on the
task at hand, and so it'sinteresting to see that
perspective.
So I don't think I made him acomplete believer, but at least
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had the light bulb of like, wow,they're okay.
So there is more going on thanme just thinking that this is a
a boring workout, or you knowsomething that I don't like.
And if you take away themindset of it being boring and
put it into the, the mindsetlike oh no, I am training my
mind and body because ourwestern society has made those
(23:46):
two things separate and theyreally aren't when you can
combine the two and know that,okay, I need to do both of these
things, then you can, you know,get the the full benefit from
that yoga practice oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Just shutting off the noise in this Western society
is difficult, right?
That's why I love podcasting somuch, is, you can actually get
two to three tiers deep into aconversation, versus the short
form video that everyone'sfallen in love with here in the
last few years.
I hope that we come back to asociety where we actually stop
and listen to each other, umother and take the time to fully
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understand one another, butalso understand ourselves too,
and that's why I really likewhat you're doing, because it
involves a lot of self-awarenessand a lot of accountability.
So talk about what you offer.
As far as the trips for thefirst responders and the
veterans to the Himalayas.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, so my goal.
So I have to give you a littlebackstory on why, particularly I
fell in love with the Himalayas.
So it was always a goal for meto hike to Everest Base Camp and
for some reason, ever since Iwas a little kid, I was always
obsessed with Mount Everest.
I had the picture in my roomlike no idea why.
(25:04):
Uh.
So when I graduated from uh,georgetown with my master's
degree, I was like, finally,this is my gift to myself and
I'm going to do this.
And I had just gone through allof the neuroscience training
and understanding the mind andbody and really starting to
think of like, okay, I need tostart to focus back on myself
(25:27):
and give myself this quiet gift.
So I went over and did theEverest Base Camp Trek and it
was about day seven, maybe six,two, it doesn't matter Anyways,
two days before I actually getto base camp and we're really
high altitude and it's just thisgorgeous Alpine hiking and I'm
(25:47):
walking alone and I'm justlistening to nothing.
I'm enjoying the quietness andI felt like I had this like bugs
, exoskeleton that I was wearingand and it felt like it was
just cracking away and as I'mfeeling this, I could feel, I
felt like it was like the weightof my service, the weight of
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PTSD, the weight of the physicalpain, the weight of just trauma
, and it felt like it was justbreaking away and like I felt so
free and I knew scientificallyabout seven days like something
like that may happen, becausethat's about the time where it
takes for the body to calm down.
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So I had no cell service.
It was just me.
I'm eating healthy, I'm notdrinking like all of these like
this, like a perfect storm inthe most positive sense to like
finally come back to who.
I started to feel like being meagain.
And so as I finished that thatlittle walk and I felt like
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completely enlightenedafterwards, I was like I want
others to feel this, becausewhen I came back from Iraq and I
came back from Kosovo anddealing with everything else, I
didn't think that I could feelpeace ever again because I
always had that stress and thatjust kind of like heavy anger
(27:12):
looming over me and I was likeit's possible, it's possible, I
have to share this with others.
So that was the start of why Iwanted to do blue side yoga and
not just teach people about thenervous system and science and
stress and how to heal.
But it's a tough journey andyou know this.
(27:32):
Just keeping up with yoga likeGod, I know it's good, but how
do I keep up with it?
So if I start working with youand our end goal is to do this
amazing trek in Nepal that youhave to physically and mentally
prepare yourself for, and we'redoing it with a group of others
that are in the same boat,that's where I'm like, that's
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where healing happens.
And so we spend about 12 weeksprior 12 to 14, 16 weeks prior
to the trek, spend about 12weeks prior 12 to 14, 16 weeks
prior to the trek working onthis stuff together.
We do yoga virtually.
We do a whole program onneuroscience.
I teach you the effects ofmeditation and how to meditate,
so that it's a brain exerciseand not some wooey, you know,
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kind of hippie exercise.
And then we come together as agroup and we're physically in
Nepal together and we're doingthis trek.
And so that's why, as a group,and we're physically in Nepal
together and we're doing thistrek, and so that's that's why I
fell in love with Nepal, andyou know the whole journey to
the other side of the world forsuch a positive thing, um was
just.
I was like I have to figure outhow to actually make this
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happen and I've done it.
So we're in year two ofbringing our folks over to Nepal
and it just keeps growing andit's just been an amazing
opportunity and I just am soproud of everyone that's decided
to do the work and then show upand just have a fabulous time
on the trail.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
So how many folks did you have travel with you last
year?
Speaker 2 (28:59):
So last year we had a group of 10 for our Everest, so
we call it the Everest PanoramaTrek, so we don't go all the
way up to Everest Base Camp onthis one, and so that one is
that was 12 days of trekking andit was certainly challenging
and we all had our moments.
Yeah, so that was last year,and then I just kept getting
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more asks for more trucks, andso this year we've got three
going on.
I still have room If there'sany of your listeners that are
interested in heading out thisyear.
I do have spots left.
And then now I'm looking at2025, which is going to be even
bigger.
So it's, it's taken off, whichis a nice thing.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And all the training that you're talking about that
leads up to it.
I mean, this is available forfolks that live all across the
US.
This is virtual.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's correct.
Yeah, so the lead up trainingso we do a warrior mindset
course and it's a 12 week course, and there's these minor tasks
that you do every day, becausemind fitness and really healing
from this is not something thatyou can be like.
Well, maybe every other weekI'll do an hour Like it's.
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It's the repetitive braintraining of keeping yourself
present and keeping focused, andit also teaches you that this
healthy lifestyle and to keep ontrack doesn't take that long
every day.
So you give yourself about fiveminutes a day and you'll really
start to see some turnaround.
So that's our 12-week course.
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And then I have a 16-weekmountain athlete course that
everybody gets, no matter whatkind of physical shape that
you're in, and that's designedto take somebody that isn't used
to trekking at all and it'llprepare them to do a 10 mile
trek, which is definitely thelongest that we would do any day
in Nepal.
So if you can do that trek atthe end, then you're you're set
(30:53):
to go.
So, yeah, we set you up forsuccess with this and you're
never alone.
So that's the, that's the bigbenefit of this you up for
success with this and you'renever alone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
So that's the, that's the big benefit of this.
And, sarah, what is, what wouldyou say, is your ultimate goal
at the end of all this?
I know one of your goals is tohelp others out with their own
mental health, but where wouldyou like to see this go in five
to 10 years from now?
Speaker 2 (31:20):
I want this training not be something that is outside
of our organizations.
So even though that's what hasto be provided now because our
agencies have not bought intothis but this sort of training
and this sort of mental healthawareness needs to start from
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day one to let you know, like,hey, when you join the military
you got to go hard throughtraining, you got to go hard
through combat, but when you'renot in those scenarios, there's
got to be something that teachesus to come back down to our
normal baseline, back down toour normal baseline.
(32:05):
So my goal would be to havethis like, have so much
awareness about this that it's anormal conversation within
units, it's normal trainingwithin units and you don't have
to break before you get to learnabout this stuff.
It should be like preventativemedicine out there.
So that's my goal is to getthis a normal, a normal
conversation, a normal practicein everything that we do.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Sarah, my last question to you is this, and
it's probably a pretty difficultquestion how do you get a
veteran to to understandself-awareness and
accountability?
The reason I ask this questionis because I had a Marine
veteran call me this week justcrying.
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I was literally in the middleof jujitsu class and I'm
watching my daughter do jujitsuand he calls me up crying
because he's going through adivorce, he hasn't seen his kids
in forever and I've told himover and over again hey, you
need to go seek therapy, youneed to find some positive
influence, you need to.
I mean, in today's day and agethere's really no excuse because
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they have like meet me apps.
You know where you can meetfolks in groups that will do
physical training and thingslike that.
And, being from the military,physical fitness is kind of a
base, a foundation foreverything.
So I was suggesting that to himand at the end of it all it was
just like, well, I don't, Idon't that, it doesn't work for
me, it's everything was likejust negative and no
(33:32):
accountability at all.
And it's kind of one of thosesituations where your own you
are your own worst enemy,because there is no
accountability and there is noself-awareness.
Own.
You are your own worst enemybecause there is no
accountability and there is noself-awareness.
Do you have any suggestions onhow to get folks to come around
to considering something likewhat with what you're doing, uh,
(33:52):
or to just take thataccountability and take their
own mental health awareness intheir own hands?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
God, I wish I had an answer for this, because I would
have multiple sold out treks ifthat was the case, I think, the
biggest impact that I've beenable to see and to get people to
open up and realize this.
So there's two ways,unfortunately.
Unfortunately, one way is whereit's like the individual you're
(34:18):
just talking about you break sobadly that you have no other
choice than to take a timeout,and that's what happened to me
in the middle of dunker training.
Like I, my nervous system brokeso badly that I had to stop
flying.
I had to go.
I was forced to go see apsychiatrist, I was forced into,
you know, taking a break andtaking a step back, and it
(34:40):
doesn't have to be like that.
So part of it is you're going tobreak yourself and then you're
going to learn the hard way, oryou can learn from people like
me and my story to not end upthat way, because all the signs
are there and when I look backat it, yeah, now that I know
(35:01):
what I know, of course Ifreaking, had a breakdown.
I had so much on my plate andtrying to handle so much on my
own.
Our bodies aren't designed todo this.
It's not a sign of weakness,and it's not that I wasn't
mentally tough enough.
There's a point where thingsjust snap.
So I think the training and thescientific aspect of what goes
(35:27):
on behind the body to learn thatlike hey, listen, man, you are
going through a divorce, you'regoing through XYZ, you're
probably not dealing with this.
Well, I'm going to guess thatyou're not sleeping.
Well, I'm going to guess thatyou're using alcohol and you're
probably over-caffeinatingduring the day.
And then you're probablycompartmentalizing and not
dealing with stuff which nowwe've got unresolved trauma
(35:50):
that's just going to live withinthe body.
So when we can start to showpeople that we got to unpack
this stuff, guys, and we got tostart intervening, and when we
we can, we should be able to seeit in ourselves.
But when we train more peopleabout this, we can see it in
others.
So like you can see in him thatthey're you know, going back to
(36:14):
your example like there'ssomething going on.
Or you know, there's plenty ofareas where I was able to
deescalate a situation which isour huge buzzword in law
enforcement.
But when you can see somebodywith their nervous system is so
active, and so when youunderstand what's going on there
, you can take a break and takea step back and deescalate the
(36:35):
situation instead of ramping upand matching their level.
So I think I don't know.
I unfortunately think we'restill at the point where people
are breaking until they realizethat they actually need help.
But I hope, by conversationsthat we're having, showing that
like, hey, you know what, youcan heal yourself and guess what
(36:56):
.
There's nothing wrong with this.
You're learning about the mindand body.
And then, oh, by the way, we'regoing to go have a fantastic
vacation in Nepal.
At the end, that reward to belike, yeah, let me actually put
the work in and give these 12weeks to myself and see how this
is going to work.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Yeah, I definitely think that putting it out there
and marketing it, I mean,sometimes people have to come
around on their own, but it kindof has to be offered and it has
to be there.
So, even if you and I arehaving this conversation, maybe
it's in their ear and maybe it'stheir time and they say, yeah,
you know what?
That sounds really cool.
Let me give this a shot,because I've hit rock bottom at
(37:35):
this point, and sometimes peopledo need to hit rock bottom.
Self-awareness is very, verydifficult and, as I always say,
it's hard for folks to seethemselves dancing on stage.
And that's kind of how thislife is.
It's a stage and you can't seeyour performance, but people
around you are giving youfeedback and telling you hey,
you need to get help, you needto consider doing this or doing
(37:57):
that, and we need to listen tothat sometimes, because we can
be our own worst enemies.
Now the trek that you'retalking about.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
It does come at a cost, right, and how much is
that?
So the one that we have openright now for this year is uh,
the cost of this is 2,400.
And I do run a special rightnow for, uh, if you bring a
friend, you get 100 off and yourfriend gets 100 off.
So that's the base cost of it.
But it's two weeks on the trail, everything is covered.
(38:31):
So you get meals, lodging theguides, like everything is paid
for once you arrive in Kathmandu.
So there's not many places thatyou can go on a two plus week
vacation for for about $2,300.
Um, and then get the mindfitness training and all the
education that you get on top ofall that, that breaks down to
(38:54):
about $170, $171 a day, rightFor 14 days.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Yeah, $171 a day, I mean, that's pretty much what it
would cost you to stay at ahotel room for one night.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Um, yeah, it's not it's not a bad investment when
you're thinking about, you know,the, the camaraderie that you
get and then all of the mentalhealth training and, you know,
physical fitness training thatyou get leading up to it, cause
that that program is allincluded.
Um, so, like you can't gettherapy and I'm not saying that
(39:27):
it is therapy, but I'm sayinglike you can't get this kind of
education and camaraderie andall that kind of stuff for that
sort of price.
But, um, yeah, so we have aboutsix spots left for this year,
so things are going prettyquickly.
But it's our um, our Annapurnabase camp trek, and nobody knows
what Annapurna is, but it's the10th highest mountain in the
world, it's in the Himalayas.
(39:49):
Um, we go to Kathmandu, we lookcool sites and then, yeah, we go
to that mountain and we go allthe way to the base camp.
Um, and it's one of the mostbeautiful treks, the base camp
and it's one of the mostbeautiful treks.
Like everyone loves Everestbecause it's Mount Everest and I
get it.
But I think Annapurna is whereit's going to be this year
because there's you got tofollow me on social media.
(40:11):
I'm going to post some picturesabout it coming up soon, but
it's just the scenery there isout of this world.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Now, is this specifically just for first
responders and military veterans, or do you also take other
people on these treks as well?
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So the initial, so whoever signs up initially needs
to be a military veteran orfirst responder, and then from
there, if you want to bring afriend or adult family member,
then I'm always supportive ofsomebody coming along that helps
you in your healing journey,because they get the whole
(40:46):
mindfulness program as well.
So I really feel like for usthat healing takes a community,
and so if you have someone aspecial friend, significant
other, spouse that is going tosupport you on that, then they
absolutely need to be able tocome and do that.
I keep it to adults only.
I have had questions in thepast if kids can come and just
because of the nature of who weare as veterans and first
(41:09):
responders and the conversationsthat we have are not always,
not always children friendly,and then you know the fact that
too, like we are there healingand it's such, you know,
sometimes it gets to be a prettybig emotional rollercoaster
when we're talking about deepstuff, and so just the comfort
of having, you know, your ownpeers around and not having
(41:30):
children exposed to that is whywe really keep it to just adults
only.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, no, that makes sense.
If anything, that wouldprobably cause more stress to
have your have your kids thereas well.
As well, you know you're notable to get that peace and quiet
uh, sometimes, but uh, withthat being said, sarah, I really
appreciate you going throughand explaining, uh, the
organization that you puttogether.
I really appreciate, you know,at the end of the day, like I
(41:55):
said, 171 a day uh, to be aroundlike-minded folks who are
looking for that healing elementis really not a bad price.
Like I said, that's really howmuch it would cost for you to
stay at a hotel domesticallyhere, I know, here in Southern
California, that's that's like$200 a night for a Marriott or
whatever.
But, um, is there anything thatI didn't mention, sarah, that
(42:16):
you'd like to talk about beforewe finish up the podcast that I
failed to ask or failed to bringup?
Speaker 2 (42:26):
No, I don't have anything huge to add.
I just I'm so thankful that weare able to have this
conversation and we come fromsimilar worlds and the more
people that I talk to about thismindfulness and the stress and
what we go through, the morepeople are like yeah, me too.
So I'm like, okay, so why don'twork with me?
Let's do something about this?
You know we have, we haveresources like you don't have to
(42:47):
live a life that is juststressed during the day and
hypervigilant and having thenightmares.
Like neuroplasticity, reshapingthe brain, it's a thing and
it's proven and we can do it.
So the last thing that I want toadd is I have a free warrior
mindset workbook and so ifthere's a way that we could
(43:08):
include the link or get that outto your folks and it's just a
way to start kind of assessingyour life and where you're at.
So it's not really diving intothe mind fitness stuff yet, but
it just makes you look and thinkof like, all right, these are
my goals, this is where I am,where do I maybe need to be
(43:29):
focusing more?
And it kind of helps youbalance your life a bit instead
of.
You know, a lot of us are allcareer and we kind of let
everything else go, and that'swhat I see a lot in our
community.
So it just kind of makes youthink a little bit about the
whole wheel of life sort ofthing, and where our spokes are
and where we need to maybe beconcentrating a little bit more
(43:50):
in our lives.
So I would love to offer thatto your listeners, and then, of
course, I would love to see thaton any of our trips.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Coming up Hell yeah, I'll definitely put that in the
show notes.
Uh, your website.
You want to plug that?
Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yeah, bluesideyogacom .
And then um, if you want tocatch that, the workbook um,
it's just bluesideyogacom slashworkbook, but I'll get all those
links to you and you can putthem in the notes.
But I'm on the same thing onInstagram and Facebook with blue
side yoga and if you want tocheck some of my workouts out,
(44:28):
I've got a YouTube page as well,so you can start to get some
yoga in your life.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
You're lucky you got the blue side yoga and all those
social media outlets, causenothing's more frustrating than
trying to get it and it's likealready taken up by someone and
it's not even being used.
So blue side yoga, it isalready taken up by someone and
it's not even being used.
So blue side yoga it is, and Iwill definitely put that in all
the show notes, um for this, aswell as the uh, the, the blog,
um that that I put up as well.
So, sarah, I really appreciatethe conversation today.
(44:53):
It was great getting to knowyou a little bit more and then
getting to know the organizationa little bit more.
Um, I'm looking forward tostaying in contact with you and
maybe doing a follow-up afterthe trek that you do to find out
.
You know, hey, you know whathappened, what did you learn?
What happened?
You know any cool events youknow and just overall interested
to hear what type of successyou get out of it.
(45:16):
So thank you so much for beingpart of the podcast today.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Thank you, I appreciate it too.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
All right, folks.
For everyone else out there,check out the show notes, go to
bluesideyogacom, follow her onInstagram as well as all of her
social media profiles.
And for everyone else out there, as always, I want you to stay
tuned, stay focused and staymotivated.
Warriors fall out.
Stay focused and stay motivated.
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