May 22, 2025 • 16 mins
In this episode, I open up about the true meaning behind "doing the work"—not just as a buzzword, but as a deeply personal and spiritual journey that transformed my life. Inspired by a raw conversation in a divorce support group, I unpack some of the heavy emotional and spiritual burdens that many of us carry—especially when it comes to relationships, healing, and finding peace within ourselves. I walk you through three powerful practices that changed everything for me, and I invite you to reflect on how you can begin your own healing journey.
We talk about intuition, spiritual connection, and the difficult but necessary path of releasing external validation. I share what it really looked like to rise from the ashes during my divorce, how I built an unshakable relationship with God, and how I broke generational curses that had been passed down for decades.
Episode Highlights:
[0:02] - Introducing today’s episode and the powerful inspiration from a divorce support group.
[1:14] - My response to the idea that “men don’t like women anymore” and the truth about unhealed trauma.
[3:04] - The three steps that helped me trust and act on my intuition.
[5:20] - Moving away from external validation and learning to rely on my own inner guidance.
[7:18] - Understanding and shifting from low vibrational to high vibrational energy.
[9:00] - How I built a direct and personal relationship with God—no prayer books or temples.
[11:30] - The three essential ingredients for transformation: trust, patience, and faith.
[12:55] - The power we hold to change painful circumstances, even when we feel stuck.
[14:16] - Breaking generational curses and releasing judgment to embrace my spiritual gifts.
[15:40] - Becoming my authentic self and using my light to help uplift humanity.
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Caryn Portnoy (00:02):
Hi everyone, and welcome to the music of Life.
I'm your host. Karen Portnoy,before I get into this episode,
please comment, ask questions,share some of your experiences,
and don't forget to subscribe.
YouI responded to a post in one of
(00:31):
the divorce groups I'm in onsocial media yesterday, and it
got me thinking someone hadcommented that they were
starting to believe that mendon't like women at all. My
response to her was, and I'mgoing to read my response. I
think they've never been shownwhat real love feels like,
starting with their parents orcaretakers. So by the time they
(00:51):
have romantic or sexual partnersas adults, they don't know how
to handle their emotions, andthen after disappointing women,
or driving women to leave them,or experiencing cheating in
either direction, they end upshutting down altogether. I
always say All it takes is theright person, but unless or
(01:12):
until they heal themselves, theycan't see or accept the right
person, even when she's right infront of them. So you can see
how defeated they feel and howthey end up shutting down and
throwing in the towel. Add inhow unhealed many women are, and
that's how you get to believingthat men don't like women at
all. It's a shit show in bothdirections. Then there are
(01:34):
dating apps and porn, and you'vegot the perfect storm of
relationship combustion. It'snot entirely men's faults, but
men and women both would dothemselves and society a world
of good to do some inner healingwork, just my two cents. So when
I talk about doing the work, Iwanted to share some powerful
(01:55):
examples of what that lookedlike for me, three things in
particular that I did early onin my journey. I paid attention
to my intuition, I trusted it,and then I acted on it. And
those are three separate thingsthat are very difficult. First,
to sit with yourself and payattention and go inward and
(02:16):
listen to your body. And thattook some time before I could
start to feel things and noticethings and pay attention, then
to learn to trust it was a wholeother level. Because how do you
know that it's true? How do youknow that you can trust it? How
do you know it's not your mindplaying games on you? Well, then
(02:37):
I acted on it. So I would startmaking small decisions based on
my intuition and kind of test itout. And every time that I made
a decision about something basedon my intuition, it always
proved to me to be the betterdecision than if I had just made
a decision arbitrarily on myown, so it built a lot of
(03:01):
confidence once I startedtesting that, and it just
reinforced the trust all over.
So it's really a three stepprocess in growing your
intuition and becoming aware ofit and relying on it,
ultimately, which I found to bevery empowering once I got to
(03:22):
that point.
The second thing was about notseeking external validation from
other people. I took a step backwhether it was a life changing
decision or something small, Iwent within and I sat still with
(03:45):
myself, again, relying onintuition to see how I felt
about something. And you know, Ithink most people are very quick
to rely on other people'sopinions for decisions that
they're trying to make. And youknow, it could be something very
superficial, or it could besomething very life changing.
(04:06):
And while I used to be just likeeverybody else in that
department, I found that by notseeking external validation and
relying on my own intuition andvalidation it made. Again, it
was much more empowering for meto be able to rely on myself for
(04:26):
that. And now I'm at the pointwhere I don't even think about
asking other people's opinions,or, you know, how to make
decisions. It's just I, ifsomething doesn't come easily to
me, that that just means I haveto sit with it longer until
something comes up within me.
(04:50):
And then the third thing that Iwanted to talk about is, you
know, the difference between lowvibrational energy and high
vibrational energy, and what.
I've done as I was, pullingmyself out of hell of my divorce
for three years while livingtogether, I took challenges,
obstacles and issues, andinstead of staying in a low
vibrational energy, like, Whyme? Why do bad things happen to
(05:14):
me? I tried to stay in a highvibrational energy, and which is
more like saying, What is thistrying to teach me? What is the
lesson here? What is thispreparing me for so you can see
the difference. I mean, theseare incredibly hard things to
do. Ask yourself, how would youfeel taking on even one of these
(05:35):
things? It feels insurmountable,right? I I was led to overcome
these lessons, guided by Godthrough my healing journey. And
I know this because I did notmake a conscious choice to
accomplish any of these things,but I was open to receive
whatever God had in store forme. So when I would pray, I
would simply say, use me, God,whatever your will is for me,
(05:59):
show me what I need to know. Ihad no idea what that would look
like. I had no sense of what Godwould do or how he would answer
me, but I remained open andreceptive, and that was the key
to it. Building a relationshipwith God doesn't happen
overnight. In fact, it tookabout three years for me to get
from the depths of hell throughmy divorce to where I am now.
(06:22):
Some people read and study theBible, some people journal, some
people pray. Some people connectwith nature. However it feels
good to you to connect with God.
That's all he cares about. Maybeyou've heard the expression God
will meet you wherever you are.
I can absolutely confirm thatthat is true. I had no formal
(06:44):
training in Hebrew school interms of having a personal
connection to God. I went totemple on the High Holy Days,
read from our prayer books, sangpotent and powerful songs, and
that was it in my informal waysof praying to God now, no prayer
books, no temple, just me andGod, I feel more connected to
(07:06):
him now than ever, and the waythat I started praying to him
three years ago is exactly thesame as I pray to him now, it
just takes longer, because I'vegot more to say. I
(07:27):
so like I said, it took threeyears for me to really seek God,
three years of building aconnection and a relationship
with Him. Some people pray tothe angels, spirit guides,
ancestors or anyone workingunder God, with the exception of
praying to my mother at thebeginning of this journey, after
I would pray to God, I didn'tpray to anyone else. I had and
(07:51):
built a direct path to God. Itook the express lane and never
looked back. You might wonder,what happens when you become a
vessel for God to work through.
How does it show up in yourlife? Blessings come your way,
opportunities, miracles,abundance in every way, peace,
ease, freedom from self and anyself imposed shackles that bind
(08:14):
us, safety, security, flow. Soyou might ask, what is needed in
order to achieve these things? Iwill say simply, it's three
things, but there's nothingsimple about them. First is
trust, second is patience. Thirdis faith. That's it. I know it's
(08:36):
easier said than done, but askyourself this, what are you
committed to in your life? Whatis it in your life currently
that you're actually committedto? Is it a job or career you
hate? Are you in a relationshipwith a partner that brings pain
and heartache to you, or are youin friendships that only suck
(08:57):
you dry of your energy and lovewithout giving anything back to
you. Or are you the victim ofabuse in your family? You have
the power and ability to changeyour circumstances yet we don't.
We think that's what we deserve.
That's the best we can do orhave. It's easier to complain
(09:18):
about what's wrong in our livesthan to take an active role in
changing them. For me, turningit all over to God was my way of
getting out of what was set todestroy me through my divorce
while living together, it tooktime, but I felt a calling, a
fierce pull towards God as I hadnowhere else to turn. I was
(09:40):
totally isolated as my exhusband turned all of our
friends, our community, hisfamily, and worst of all, our
daughter, against me. I waseither going to perish in
complete despair, which is whatmy ex counted on, or rise from
the ashes and thrive, which he.
Severely underestimated mystrength and resilience. With
(10:01):
God's help and guidance, I chosethe latter. So when I talk about
doing the work, this is whatsaved me. God saved me, and in
time, I started to see how Godwould use me to help and inspire
others who are going throughsomething similar. My commitment
to God is unshakably strong. Myfaith is unwavering and my trust
(10:22):
is ironclad. I don't play whenit comes to God, and I've come
to understand that he doesn'tplay when it comes to me.
There's so much more work thatI've done in these last three
(10:43):
years, but I wanted to givethree things that you could
start on if you're eveninterested in profoundly
changing your life. I've alsoreleased judgment from my life.
I used to be a very judgmentalperson, like so many other
people, I had an awakening thatmade me understand that it's
God's job to judge, not mine,and so I practiced releasing
(11:05):
judgment and learned how toaccept people for who they are
without judgment in the way,plus leaning so heavily on my
intuition, I embraced one of mymany spiritual gifts, one being
my ability to see through peopleenergetically, if you are
someone who puts on a facade infront of others, I can see right
(11:25):
through it and see the truth ofwho you are, what your soul is
about, not to judge you, not tocontrol you, not to wish harm on
you, but to understand you, tohave compassion for you, to love
You. Another spiritual gift I'veobtained is a high level of
wisdom. I've always beenpsychologically in tune and
(11:46):
aware, and as a result, I'vegained a lot of knowledge from
my experiences. This isdifferent. The wisdom I've
gained spiritually isindisputably given to me by God,
not anything I could have madeup myself or read in books. My
life's purpose and path is tohelp elevate humanity with
(12:07):
everything I'm talking abouthere, and so much more to anyone
listening who knows me or knewme. I can bet that no one would
ever have known me in this waybefore. I wasn't this person
before a spiritualtransformation such as mine has
helped me release the oldversion of myself, complete with
letting go of old beliefsystems, thought patterns,
(12:31):
attitudes, obstacles, challengesand people, places and things
that no longer serve My highestgood, all making way for the new
me, which is so much more wiser,stronger, braver, more
courageous, determined andpeaceful. I've spent a lot of
(12:52):
time also healing my innerchild, resolving pain,
overcoming struggles, learningto re parent my inner child, so
we are in harmony now, honoringher, loving her and admiring her
all the time. I've broken somany generational curses
throughout this journey ofhealing. When you think of how
(13:14):
your parents were raised and thelimitations set on them from
their parents, and keepconsidering those limitations
and pain going back dozens anddozens of generations, you can
see the bigger picturethroughout your lineage of how
no one was able to break thecycles of abandonment, betrayal,
abuse, negativity, limitationsor suffering, They just kept
(13:40):
getting passed down fromgeneration to generation,
knowing that you might be ableto have some compassion towards
your parents, knowing that theydid the best with what they had,
and if they could have knownbetter, they would have done
better. So God allowed mydivorce to almost ruin me on
every level. He knew what I wasmade of, but needed me to see it
(14:02):
for myself. And as such, I havebroken so many generational
curses in the process. With allthat I've mentioned here, I have
always been a sweet and lovingperson. My whole life, these
traits weren't appreciated norcelebrated as I grew up, I was
told I was too sensitive, tooemotional, my dreams were too
(14:24):
big and unrealistic and that Iwas too much for people. My
light was dimmed at an earlyage, and I learned to become a
people pleaser as a result, givethem what they could handle of
me, not who I was. I finallybroke that persona throughout
this journey, and as I finallyaccessed my true, authentic
(14:44):
self, in all of my light, loveand glory, I uncovered exactly
who God made me to be. I nolonger care if I'm too much for
people, if I'm too sensitive,too emotional, if my dreams seem
too big and unattainable to the.
Am. I am exactly who I'm meantto be. Take me or leave me. I'm
not for everyone, but sharingall that I am now is what will
(15:07):
help lift humanity, and I'mcommitted to that 1,000% I
invite anybody who's interestedin starting a healing journey of
any kind, in any way, at anylevel, please reach out to me. I
would be thrilled and honored,and I would love to help you get
started, or guide you in someway until next time. See you in
(15:30):
the next episode. Please join meevery Thursday for a new
episode, you can reach mywebsite@podpage.com slash the
music of life. Feel free toleave your email address. You
can also leave a voicemail andshare any kinds of stories or
(15:53):
experiences or anything thatyou'd like to talk about. I
promise I will keep youanonymous, but I assure you that
whatever experiences or storiesyou leave for me, you are not
alone, and I would love to sharethat with other people who are
also going through similarthings. Thanks again for
listening. I'll see you in thenext episode. You
Hi everyone, and welcome to the music of Life.
I'm your host. Karen Portnoy,before I get into this episode,
please comment, ask questions,share some of your experiences,
and don't forget to subscribe.
YouI responded to a post in one of
(00:31):
the divorce groups I'm in onsocial media yesterday, and it
got me thinking someone hadcommented that they were
starting to believe that mendon't like women at all. My
response to her was, and I'mgoing to read my response. I
think they've never been shownwhat real love feels like,
starting with their parents orcaretakers. So by the time they
(00:51):
have romantic or sexual partnersas adults, they don't know how
to handle their emotions, andthen after disappointing women,
or driving women to leave them,or experiencing cheating in
either direction, they end upshutting down altogether. I
always say All it takes is theright person, but unless or
(01:12):
until they heal themselves, theycan't see or accept the right
person, even when she's right infront of them. So you can see
how defeated they feel and howthey end up shutting down and
throwing in the towel. Add inhow unhealed many women are, and
that's how you get to believingthat men don't like women at
all. It's a shit show in bothdirections. Then there are
(01:34):
dating apps and porn, and you'vegot the perfect storm of
relationship combustion. It'snot entirely men's faults, but
men and women both would dothemselves and society a world
of good to do some inner healingwork, just my two cents. So when
I talk about doing the work, Iwanted to share some powerful
(01:55):
examples of what that lookedlike for me, three things in
particular that I did early onin my journey. I paid attention
to my intuition, I trusted it,and then I acted on it. And
those are three separate thingsthat are very difficult. First,
to sit with yourself and payattention and go inward and
(02:16):
listen to your body. And thattook some time before I could
start to feel things and noticethings and pay attention, then
to learn to trust it was a wholeother level. Because how do you
know that it's true? How do youknow that you can trust it? How
do you know it's not your mindplaying games on you? Well, then
(02:37):
I acted on it. So I would startmaking small decisions based on
my intuition and kind of test itout. And every time that I made
a decision about something basedon my intuition, it always
proved to me to be the betterdecision than if I had just made
a decision arbitrarily on myown, so it built a lot of
(03:01):
confidence once I startedtesting that, and it just
reinforced the trust all over.
So it's really a three stepprocess in growing your
intuition and becoming aware ofit and relying on it,
ultimately, which I found to bevery empowering once I got to
(03:22):
that point.
The second thing was about notseeking external validation from
other people. I took a step backwhether it was a life changing
decision or something small, Iwent within and I sat still with
(03:45):
myself, again, relying onintuition to see how I felt
about something. And you know, Ithink most people are very quick
to rely on other people'sopinions for decisions that
they're trying to make. And youknow, it could be something very
superficial, or it could besomething very life changing.
(04:06):
And while I used to be just likeeverybody else in that
department, I found that by notseeking external validation and
relying on my own intuition andvalidation it made. Again, it
was much more empowering for meto be able to rely on myself for
(04:26):
that. And now I'm at the pointwhere I don't even think about
asking other people's opinions,or, you know, how to make
decisions. It's just I, ifsomething doesn't come easily to
me, that that just means I haveto sit with it longer until
something comes up within me.
(04:50):
And then the third thing that Iwanted to talk about is, you
know, the difference between lowvibrational energy and high
vibrational energy, and what.
I've done as I was, pullingmyself out of hell of my divorce
for three years while livingtogether, I took challenges,
obstacles and issues, andinstead of staying in a low
vibrational energy, like, Whyme? Why do bad things happen to
(05:14):
me? I tried to stay in a highvibrational energy, and which is
more like saying, What is thistrying to teach me? What is the
lesson here? What is thispreparing me for so you can see
the difference. I mean, theseare incredibly hard things to
do. Ask yourself, how would youfeel taking on even one of these
(05:35):
things? It feels insurmountable,right? I I was led to overcome
these lessons, guided by Godthrough my healing journey. And
I know this because I did notmake a conscious choice to
accomplish any of these things,but I was open to receive
whatever God had in store forme. So when I would pray, I
would simply say, use me, God,whatever your will is for me,
(05:59):
show me what I need to know. Ihad no idea what that would look
like. I had no sense of what Godwould do or how he would answer
me, but I remained open andreceptive, and that was the key
to it. Building a relationshipwith God doesn't happen
overnight. In fact, it tookabout three years for me to get
from the depths of hell throughmy divorce to where I am now.
(06:22):
Some people read and study theBible, some people journal, some
people pray. Some people connectwith nature. However it feels
good to you to connect with God.
That's all he cares about. Maybeyou've heard the expression God
will meet you wherever you are.
I can absolutely confirm thatthat is true. I had no formal
(06:44):
training in Hebrew school interms of having a personal
connection to God. I went totemple on the High Holy Days,
read from our prayer books, sangpotent and powerful songs, and
that was it in my informal waysof praying to God now, no prayer
books, no temple, just me andGod, I feel more connected to
(07:06):
him now than ever, and the waythat I started praying to him
three years ago is exactly thesame as I pray to him now, it
just takes longer, because I'vegot more to say. I
(07:27):
so like I said, it took threeyears for me to really seek God,
three years of building aconnection and a relationship
with Him. Some people pray tothe angels, spirit guides,
ancestors or anyone workingunder God, with the exception of
praying to my mother at thebeginning of this journey, after
I would pray to God, I didn'tpray to anyone else. I had and
(07:51):
built a direct path to God. Itook the express lane and never
looked back. You might wonder,what happens when you become a
vessel for God to work through.
How does it show up in yourlife? Blessings come your way,
opportunities, miracles,abundance in every way, peace,
ease, freedom from self and anyself imposed shackles that bind
(08:14):
us, safety, security, flow. Soyou might ask, what is needed in
order to achieve these things? Iwill say simply, it's three
things, but there's nothingsimple about them. First is
trust, second is patience. Thirdis faith. That's it. I know it's
(08:36):
easier said than done, but askyourself this, what are you
committed to in your life? Whatis it in your life currently
that you're actually committedto? Is it a job or career you
hate? Are you in a relationshipwith a partner that brings pain
and heartache to you, or are youin friendships that only suck
(08:57):
you dry of your energy and lovewithout giving anything back to
you. Or are you the victim ofabuse in your family? You have
the power and ability to changeyour circumstances yet we don't.
We think that's what we deserve.
That's the best we can do orhave. It's easier to complain
(09:18):
about what's wrong in our livesthan to take an active role in
changing them. For me, turningit all over to God was my way of
getting out of what was set todestroy me through my divorce
while living together, it tooktime, but I felt a calling, a
fierce pull towards God as I hadnowhere else to turn. I was
(09:40):
totally isolated as my exhusband turned all of our
friends, our community, hisfamily, and worst of all, our
daughter, against me. I waseither going to perish in
complete despair, which is whatmy ex counted on, or rise from
the ashes and thrive, which he.
Severely underestimated mystrength and resilience. With
(10:01):
God's help and guidance, I chosethe latter. So when I talk about
doing the work, this is whatsaved me. God saved me, and in
time, I started to see how Godwould use me to help and inspire
others who are going throughsomething similar. My commitment
to God is unshakably strong. Myfaith is unwavering and my trust
(10:22):
is ironclad. I don't play whenit comes to God, and I've come
to understand that he doesn'tplay when it comes to me.
There's so much more work thatI've done in these last three
(10:43):
years, but I wanted to givethree things that you could
start on if you're eveninterested in profoundly
changing your life. I've alsoreleased judgment from my life.
I used to be a very judgmentalperson, like so many other
people, I had an awakening thatmade me understand that it's
God's job to judge, not mine,and so I practiced releasing
(11:05):
judgment and learned how toaccept people for who they are
without judgment in the way,plus leaning so heavily on my
intuition, I embraced one of mymany spiritual gifts, one being
my ability to see through peopleenergetically, if you are
someone who puts on a facade infront of others, I can see right
(11:25):
through it and see the truth ofwho you are, what your soul is
about, not to judge you, not tocontrol you, not to wish harm on
you, but to understand you, tohave compassion for you, to love
You. Another spiritual gift I'veobtained is a high level of
wisdom. I've always beenpsychologically in tune and
(11:46):
aware, and as a result, I'vegained a lot of knowledge from
my experiences. This isdifferent. The wisdom I've
gained spiritually isindisputably given to me by God,
not anything I could have madeup myself or read in books. My
life's purpose and path is tohelp elevate humanity with
(12:07):
everything I'm talking abouthere, and so much more to anyone
listening who knows me or knewme. I can bet that no one would
ever have known me in this waybefore. I wasn't this person
before a spiritualtransformation such as mine has
helped me release the oldversion of myself, complete with
letting go of old beliefsystems, thought patterns,
(12:31):
attitudes, obstacles, challengesand people, places and things
that no longer serve My highestgood, all making way for the new
me, which is so much more wiser,stronger, braver, more
courageous, determined andpeaceful. I've spent a lot of
(12:52):
time also healing my innerchild, resolving pain,
overcoming struggles, learningto re parent my inner child, so
we are in harmony now, honoringher, loving her and admiring her
all the time. I've broken somany generational curses
throughout this journey ofhealing. When you think of how
(13:14):
your parents were raised and thelimitations set on them from
their parents, and keepconsidering those limitations
and pain going back dozens anddozens of generations, you can
see the bigger picturethroughout your lineage of how
no one was able to break thecycles of abandonment, betrayal,
abuse, negativity, limitationsor suffering, They just kept
(13:40):
getting passed down fromgeneration to generation,
knowing that you might be ableto have some compassion towards
your parents, knowing that theydid the best with what they had,
and if they could have knownbetter, they would have done
better. So God allowed mydivorce to almost ruin me on
every level. He knew what I wasmade of, but needed me to see it
(14:02):
for myself. And as such, I havebroken so many generational
curses in the process. With allthat I've mentioned here, I have
always been a sweet and lovingperson. My whole life, these
traits weren't appreciated norcelebrated as I grew up, I was
told I was too sensitive, tooemotional, my dreams were too
(14:24):
big and unrealistic and that Iwas too much for people. My
light was dimmed at an earlyage, and I learned to become a
people pleaser as a result, givethem what they could handle of
me, not who I was. I finallybroke that persona throughout
this journey, and as I finallyaccessed my true, authentic
(14:44):
self, in all of my light, loveand glory, I uncovered exactly
who God made me to be. I nolonger care if I'm too much for
people, if I'm too sensitive,too emotional, if my dreams seem
too big and unattainable to the.
Am. I am exactly who I'm meantto be. Take me or leave me. I'm
not for everyone, but sharingall that I am now is what will
(15:07):
help lift humanity, and I'mcommitted to that 1,000% I
invite anybody who's interestedin starting a healing journey of
any kind, in any way, at anylevel, please reach out to me. I
would be thrilled and honored,and I would love to help you get
started, or guide you in someway until next time. See you in
(15:30):
the next episode. Please join meevery Thursday for a new
episode, you can reach mywebsite@podpage.com slash the
music of life. Feel free toleave your email address. You
can also leave a voicemail andshare any kinds of stories or
(15:53):
experiences or anything thatyou'd like to talk about. I
promise I will keep youanonymous, but I assure you that
whatever experiences or storiesyou leave for me, you are not
alone, and I would love to sharethat with other people who are
also going through similarthings. Thanks again for
listening. I'll see you in thenext episode. You
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