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August 6, 2025 17 mins

Guilt is supposed to help us repair—but what happens when it turns into self-punishment? In this clip, Renee and I explore how guilt gets distorted, how it hides behind over-apologizing, withdrawal, or perfectionism—and how it can quietly undermine connection instead of restoring it.

To listen to the full interview check out Renee's channel here:  https://bleav.com/shows/the-covert-narcissism-podcast/episodes/guilt-vs-shame-the-emotional-crossroads-that-defines-healing/

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