December 23, 2024 • 62 mins
Did you think we'd go without talking about the biggest movie of 2024? NOPE! On this final episode of the year we're talking about Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and giving our full thoughts! (Spoilers included)
We talk about how it compares to the other movies, Jim Carrey's incredibly insane performance, and where the franchise goes from here!
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All I can say is konichi what? That felt weird.
I don't. I don't like.
I thought it was funny. He's quippy.
He's supposed to be stupid. This is the same Sonic that like
flipped a truck over on the Interstate and got out and
started flossing. No, you're right.
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Hello and welcome to the Nerdiest podcast, the show where
nerds talk about nerdy things. I'm your host, Mr. Nick Merritt,
and as always, I'm joined by my ride or die, the one the only
Mr. Jackson Glass and guys, let's be real.
Did you think we were going to end the year without talking
about Sonic the Hedgehog 3? No, you're wrong.
So to today we're here to do an entire review, jump into all of
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our thoughts on the movie. It's going to be a spoiler cast.
There will be spoilers for the movie.
So if you haven't seen it, go see it.
I think it's good. Jackson thinks it's good 'cause
he gave it at least four stars on Letterbox.
So go watch it, come back and then listen to our spoiler cast.
So there's not going to be any news or any other mumbo jumbo
this week, just doing a movie review.
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But before we jump into that, Jackson, how has your week been?
Well, I'll tell you, it was quite good.
If you're watching the video here, you can see that I'm I'm
home again for break. And so I'm off school for
Christmas break and we'll be back in January.
But it's been really productive and really fun.
It's really nice to get out of school and like have the time to
work on stuff. So I just put out a YouTube
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video, my ultimate Christmas movie tier list that I thought
was super fun. So if you, if you're following
on the Glass studios, GLAS Studios on YouTube, you can go
watch that after this podcast. Other than that, I'm really, I'm
just buying Christmas presents. I'm really just, I'm trying to
keep up. And I got to a point where the
other day I went out and I was like, it's slowly getting
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closer. Traffic is getting worse.
Oh. Dude, traffic is started on the
traffic, it's off it. Took me and I.
Go ahead, I'll let you finish. I'll let you finish because.
I was just going to say, like I got to the point where I said
traffic is getting worse. If your name is not on my list
today, you don't get anything. Like I have a list of things and
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that's what I'm getting and I'm not going back out.
Granted, I forgot my most important gift from that list
and I went out again this morning, but now I'm done.
If I didn't buy you something now, you try again next year
'cause I cannot do this. I had to go to like Sam's Club
for work to get something and ittook an hour just to drive over
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there, get in park, go in. Of course, none of their card
readers work is just. It's not an enjoyable time to be
outside. But now I get to stay home until
2025, so. That's so fair.
I went straight to the theater from work yesterday and there's
really, there's a bunch of different ways I could have gone
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to get to where the theater was at because it's in like the
shopping center, right? And I could have gone the back
way and like looped around and Iprobably should have, but I was
like, no, I'm going to take the fastest route from work.
And it took me 35 minutes to do a 15 minute drive.
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It was bumper to bumper snail traffic the entire way.
And I was like, dude, This is why I don't come over here this
time of year. I hate it.
It's awful. All these people guys simply
just shop sooner. No, literally, I mean me too.
Come on 4. Shops shop sooner, so that when
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I shop late, you're not there. Yeah, that's kind of where
that's it. So I'm like, if I don't have to
go over there again, I'm not going to, although I'm probably
going to go see Sonic again, butI might wait till like closer to
Christmas Day or like day after Christmas when everyone's like
at home or not in state anymore,you know?
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So we'll see how that goes. But other than that, I don't
know what I've done this week. I've worked, I've been working,
work has been really busy. I have not had time to form an
original thought outside of work.
Fair. That's where everyone is at
though. Like so just kind of wrap up
before the year. As as is tradition with our
family now, we went to the Four King Country Christmas concert
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this week, which was really cool.
And I have a video that I might put up on screen if I don't feel
too lazy of I think it was Joel came through like the audience
and like the balcony where we were at and literally like
walked right past me. It was kind of crazy, but it was
a good concert. They changed up some stuff from
last year, which was nice because the concert last year
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was almost exactly the same as the concert the year before.
So I was worried going into it athird time, like, all right, I'm
gonna see the same thing. Is it worth it the third time?
Like so? It was still good, though.
That's good. So I like their music aside from
that that I mean, I hit 3000 Subs on YouTube this week.
Woo Hoo. So that's lit.
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I have a internal goal for next year now because I didn't think
I thought I'd barely be scrapingby 1000 this year, let alone
3000. So I'm like, OK, got a new
internal goal for next year and we'll see if I can hit.
It so see, see, this week I've been editing in the morning and
then going to parties at night because when you're an adult,
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you do five different white elephant parties.
Highballer, I literally like this week have been to three
different dirty Santa white elephant parties and it's too
expensive. I can't keep buying white
elephant gifts. And some people are like, oh,
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the limit's $10. Some say it's 30, like some say
like guys, keep your circle small.
You know it, But also I start tounderstand Christmas with the
cranks a little more. I'm like, oh, you're right, this
is freaking expensive. But also my birthday is in
December, so I kind of like my Christmas gift fund comes from
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my birthday. But it shouldn't have to but.
It shouldn't have to. OK, But also like if I get cash
for my birthday, that's my cash.Like I keep it like I keep it to
my chest until January 1st and then I like buy everything I've
ever wanted. I just, I think I, I feel like
that it's so funny that that's the attitude, especially as a
kid. Like you get all these gift
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cards and stuff for Christmas. They're supposed to hold you
over. Which for me, because my
birthday is in May, it's like halfway ish through the year,
right? So it's like, OK, well, these
gift cards are supposed to like last you save them until you're
no, you blow them all the week of January when the new Lego
sets come out. And they do that intentionally.
It's evil. It's.
Evil to the way that they do that, that they're like, you
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know what, we just had our biggest sale period of the year.
Do you know what we're going to do?
Put out more so that these kids always want more, but it's not
kids anymore because it's Legos are priced out.
So it's us. So it's like all that cash you
got for Christmas gone, gone January 1st, drop all these new
sets. I'm like, you know what?
You're nasty. It's diabolical.
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Gosh, yeah, I always, we always had a rule in my family where it
was if you are given a gift card, you you have to, you're
not allowed to buy someone else something with a gift card.
It's like if you get a gift cardfor your birthday or for
Christmas, it has to be something you buy for yourself.
That's because that's their intention.
That's the intention of the gift.
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So like I've been to Target liketwice this week buying stuff and
I have a ton of Target gift cards and I'm like, I could
really like knock the price downon this right now.
But it's also like, it's like this is this is a complete side
tangent. Target's reward system is
different now. And for years they did the like.
If you purchase and you put yourphone number in at the end you
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would essentially gain rewards and you gain money.
Yeah, like you'd slowly accrue, slowly accrue, so.
I've had the same Target accountsince I was in, like, the
beginning of high school. Now, honestly, their reward
ratio sucks. And so over four years, I've
made $32. That's it.
Which, yeah. Well I have a cheat code because
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I got my mom to start doing putting my.
Phone number in. So when she goes and spends like
$500.00 at Target I get a reward.
No, no. But here's the The thing is my
mom is too smart to do that for me and has her own phone number.
And so every time I try, it justdoesn't work out for me.
So I have 30 something dollars and I've kept it because I was
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like one of these days I'm goingto build it up and I'm just
going to get the biggest Lego set in the store and I'm going
to walk out and it's going to befree.
It's. Going to be.
Free. Well, this year they changed
their system to be more like theonly comparison I have is Publix
where they do if you put in yourphone number, certain items will
be discounted, but they never discount anything.
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It's always like, oh, you $2 offlike pop Tarts or like I got
like a bag of chocolate for someone for Christmas and it was
like $2 off because I had the Target circle and I was like,
this is stupid. But also like I also have these
gift cards. But then I have these rewards
that are valid till April and that's when the cycle fully
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comes around for the rewards. So I'm like, OK, I have
including gift cards and the thing I have about $75.00 at
Target that is mine. Go get yourself a nice like.
So I'm like which I don't know which one I want.
Can you get 75? Doesn't even get.
You a good Lego set anymore? That is so stupid that.
Barely gets you one of those like helmet head.
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Right, for real. But also like The thing is, is
it's like O75, but then if it's like, well, I'd I'd throw 50
bucks at it to get like a nice, nice one, you know, right.
But I also really want the office 1 before they discontinue
it. And that's only at Walmart.
Yeah, yeah. Go to the no what you got to do?
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Well, I guess you have the moneyon the app.
I was going to say just give thegift cards to your mom and tell
her to give you cash for. Them hey, can I lash it out?
Swap them back. I I do that with my mom all the
time. I think I actually have a
Walmart gift card that I've had in my wallet for a long time and
it technically belongs to me andAmy, but.
Well, once you get married, it'slike what's yours is hers, and
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what's hers is yours. You know that's.
What I'm saying? Every gift I've bought her this
year I'm like I can't wait to mess with this.
You're just preparing. You're just preparing.
Like now, like the mentality, Well, this is our Walmart gift.
This is. Our Walmart and that's why I
used it to buy Legos. And you can say, well, you know
what would really benefit the the apartment.
The apartment, and it's the office Lego.
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A Lego set for decoration never seen right?
And then see and then that's a bonding exercise cause watch the
office while you're putting it together.
It's good. Perfect, this is healthy
marriage guys. Guys, buy our new Buy our new
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Speaking of having a healthy marriage, you know who has a
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healthy marriage? Tom and Maddie.
Tom and. Maddie from Sonic the Hedgehog
3, they were a freaking adorablein that movie.
I'm so serious. So hey guys, this is your wall
right here. This is your point.
Spoilers for Sonic 3 if you care.
If you haven't seen it, this is the spot right here.
We're about to spoil the whole thing, so one. 54321.
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Oh my God, it freaking dies. Shadow freaking dies.
And then the end scene where Mario comes out of the portal
and invites them to the Olympics.
So. Holy cow.
You told me you only stayed for the one post credit scene right?
And there was 2 the actually good like bro, my jaw was which
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floor by the way? Which is a little embarrassing,
but here's the story. So I, I always stay till the
very end for movies, but I saw this movie with like my whole
family. And so we were there and like we
saw the the second, the first scene with like Amy and then
they just started to leave. And I was like, I was not
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thinking about it at all. I was just like, oh, OK, cool.
There was a post credit scene. Let's leave.
Because if I'm in the theater, like either myself or with
friends or whatever, I'm like, no, we're staying.
But they just left chit chat. And I just like, I just didn't
think about it. And so we left and I missed the
second one. So explain the second one to me
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the. Second one is very simple.
It's. I do feel like it's a necessary
one because the. Future of the franchise.
Yeah, because as far as we know,like Shadow went out and
exploded in with the Galaxy thing and everyone and it was
like, oh, Shadows dead. And then the post credit scene
was like his little armband was in the ground and he walked over
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and he picked it up. So he's not dead.
Right, that was the whole which was kind of old.
He wasn't. Yeah, no, you can't bring in
Keanu Reeves and then kill him. Kill him in the same movie.
I also felt like I was like Shadow is like one of the most
important Sonic characters and to have him as a one off villain
didn't make sense so I'm really not surprised.
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No, I feel like we OK, we need to not start this review by
talking about the future of the franchise.
So let's. So let's reel it back back Gots
hit me. Hit me with your review, just
like generally overview. All right, generally speaking,
as everyone knows, I love Sonic Two.
It was my movie of 2022. It was great.
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And going into Sonic 3, it looked like they were going to
do a lot of the same stuff. And that's what I was hopeful
for is I just wanted him to do alot of the same stuff, right?
So I feel like that is exactly what I got in this movie.
Now, I don't know if I like it as much as the second one.
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I still feel like I like the second one better, but I don't
know if that's just cuz the second one set my expectations
up here because I feel like the second one had a lot more twists
in it that you couldn't see coming.
Like the Super Sonic at the end of the second movie was super
out of left field because you didn't think like oh, I didn't
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think that's where they were going to go with the master
emerald thing. Like where is this movie was
very not safe but like had a lotof the similar plot beats of the
second one where it's like Sonicis introduced to this new
character who's the same like alien type as he is.
Then we have some human shenanigans and the two of Sonic
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fights the other guy and there'sa conflict there, but the other
guys just misunderstood and doesn't understand why he's
doing what he's doing and he's being manipulated by Egg man.
And then at the end, you know, they have a fight and then after
they fight, they both sit down and have like a heart to heart
conversation. And now he's a good guy now and
he's going to help save the day.And like that aspect of it felt
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very like beat for beat of what happened in the second movie.
And which is interesting becauseI feel like I remember the
director saying in an interview before the 3rd movie came out
like years ago of like, yeah, Sonic's not really going to be
able to, you know, power of friendship, talk his way out of
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a conflict with Shadow. And then that's exactly what he
did. And.
I was like, OK, like I understand it makes sense for
Shadow's character and how that was handled, but also at the
same time, like it does feel very beat for beat of what
happened with Knuckles. Now we don't know if like
Shadow's gonna come in and like join the the family, but I don't
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know. Other than that though, I do
think it was really fun. I do think this is one of Jim
Carrey's more unhinged roles, which says a lot 'cause he's
done a lot of those unhinged roles.
I think they got away with having him play both of the
Robotniks easily. I did appreciate the meta joke
where they were like doing the Mimic and he was like, it's
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almost like we're being played by the same actor.
In the movie. And I was like, all right, I see
you. It's a little, but I get it.
I think it's funny. So I don't know, I thought it
was good, it was enjoyable. I'll definitely go see it again.
But a lot of my other stuff is. A little more.
Specific dive into yeah. I pretty much agree.
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I think the I think it's kind oflike it it was it was the same
same type beat. It was like Sonic 2 but like
bigger. So I don't know.
I I agree with that, but I also it's kind of like Sonic 2
worked. So I'm not can't be mad that
they did the same thing, right. So like, it still worked and it
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didn't feel forced, but it definitely wasn't new.
But it's also like, I don't, I don't go into Sonic 3 thinking,
oh, this is going to be new and grand.
I want the same shenanigans. Like I want I want the same
vibes. And I think they did that really
well. I think this was like maybe the
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most heartfelt one. Like it really was very
emotional. And I was kind of, I literally
left the theater and I said, why, Why is the best morals
we're seeing in our movies rightnow from Sonic the Hedgehog.
Like there was so much like his whole thing where he was like,
like when when Tom talked to himin the end, in the beginning, I
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like got like really struck. I was like, Oh my gosh.
And he's like, he's like, look, you, he was like, you can't, you
shouldn't, like don't let your pain change who you are.
And he was like, it's right there in your heart, like you
know who you are and it's how you respond, not what happens.
And I was just like, oh, Tom, thank you, 'cause it's, it's
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like that. And then the movie that also
came out that day was, you know,Mufasa, this weird, like CG.
So I'm like, no wonder people are going to see Sonic like this
is it's genuinely like a good family movie.
And that was my my, my essentiallike overview as I was like,
this is one of the best family movies I've seen in a long time
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because they're all either way too Kitty or way too edgy or
have terrible morals or just don't work or they're cheap.
But this one was like, it was genuinely hilarious for all
ages. It had great morals, it had
great action. The cast was hilarious.
And I think that this movie was the perfect level of edgy to
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where kids were like, Oh, I can't believe he said that.
But then adults were like, that's good.
And so like especially for Jim Carrey in that role.
And I really like I genuinely laughed out loud at this movie a
couple times. And I really loved when it
really caught me off guard because he was like, maybe this
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is what he said. Like maybe this is what me not
giving a damn what you think, what I look like looks like.
And I was just like, that is so funny.
And I think my the funniest moment in this whole movie is at
the very end when his grandfather like flies into the
thing and he's just like Rabs. And it was like, it caught me so
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off guard. And he's like, he's like, say
what you want about my grandfather.
He made one hell of a bud zapper.
So only Jim Carrey could have done that.
And I think he, I think everyone's kind of in agreement,
like he was the highlight of this movie 'cause they really
just let him go off the rails. Well, that's how it's been for
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the last two movies. No, right?
He's he's been the consistent selling point of all three
movies, which is why I'm interested to see if they do the
4th 1 without him. Without.
'Cause he's like dead dead now. Like the last time he just fell
backwards in the robot and we assumed he got crushed, but then
it was like still open of like, yeah, so and they.
Can't bring him back, especiallywith Shadow staying back and it
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it would be cheap to do that another time.
Right, like it would ruin his character development too, but
you never know. He's also like Jim Carrey said
that Sonic 2 was his last role and then he signed on for three
and he doesn't do sequels. And so I think the idea, are you
killing a bug? Yeah.
There was like a gnat flying right in front of his.
Face, I think for him to do a third sequel is probably out of
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character, especially 'cause he really just kind of wants to
retire. But I think that's why this
movie works so well with him is because he you can tell he cares
so much about the movie and he loves the role.
And I honestly just like from aneditor's perspective, like they
comped him with himself. So well, like there was there
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was a lot of like it wasn't like, you know, in most movies
or, or shows that where the likethey do like the two act one
actor plays 2 characters thing. Yeah, there's so clearly like a
line where they can't cross and it's.
Like like they can't get too close to each other because they
can't overlap because then that right.
Yeah, I know what you're. Talking about and so like they
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can't, but they comped those twothings really well.
And if you also think about likehe when they did all those
scenes, he was wearing like pounds of prosthetic both times.
And so like they would do the whole scene, wipe him of that
one, switch characters, do the whole scene again, wipe again,
do another. And so it was like, I cannot
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imagine what the pre what the pre production of this movie
was. But also, listen, he did the
Grinch and he used all, he did all those prosthetics and he
learned the makeup and he did everything.
And that was God's plan for his life, to prepare him for this
role. You know if you can do the
Grinch you can do 2 fat robotnics. 2 fat robotnics and
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then they're they're freaking like they're dancing when
they're like in the I was cackling in the theater 'cause
they he's just like dancing withhimself.
Just like this is overall like he was first, sure the
highlight, but overall this was like a a surprisingly great
family movie that I would watch again.
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I also think what I did enjoy 'cause when you do have those
same actor plays, the the thing,yeah, it's very easy to cheap
out on it and just do a lot of shots where you're seeing the
back of their head and so that you can put a different face
here, but you can't see them. But they didn't do that.
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There were a lot of shots where you could see both of their
faces and it was still shot as if it wasn't the same person,
right? And I really appreciated that
because it does take a little bit extra work to do it, but it
works. It was really, really
impressive. All right, They they comped him
really well. I thought the story was great.
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I really, really like the characters.
I think they, they really hammered on like the family
dynamic of it that I thought wasreally, I think that's what the
other two movies set up really well was.
They were like, we're A-Team, but we're also a family.
Like he, and it was a whole likecharacter arc thing, 'cause
Sonic is the mischievous hedgehog that like goes on his
own and he does it like, that's been his character in the game
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forever. Yeah.
And so, like to hammer that and really, like, give him this
character arc. Really.
They could have phoned it in so easily to be like, yeah, he's
blue and he runs fast and he's ahedgehog, you know, that that's
it. But it was like, no, he's deeply
traumatized. Like and it's awesome.
Like it's so deep and well thought out and the cast
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obviously cares so much. Genuinely really funny and had a
great message and great morals. And I was like, OK, like they're
genuinely 3 for three so far. Like they they've made 3
bangers. Here's a question How did, as we
like dive into specifics here? How did you feel about Gun and
their involvement in the movie? It was very Agents of SHIELD
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type beat, but I I didn't reallymind it.
I didn't, I didn't have real strong opinion.
I thought they were. It was very much the like, oh,
we have to infiltrate the Bad Company and we've been betrayed.
It's very like Winter Soldier kind of thing.
Yeah. I didn't dislike it, but it it
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wasn't like, oh, this is my favorite part.
I think the story like ended up connecting together really well
between like Shadow and like thegirl and the grandfather and the
general and Robotnik. And like I thought it like they
pasted it out really well to notlike exposition dump at the very
beginning to tell you everything.
Like I like that they really like made you like slowly piece
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it all together. I thought that was cool.
I wish they were a better antagonistic force because they
were just kind of there and moreso there to just be a hindrance
to the two. Like, they were like a middleman
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to the good guys and the bad guys of like, well, we both need
to go against a gun. But it was never established.
Like, what are they trying to dowith this giant thing that they
built for him? Like, why did they want the keys
'cause it doesn't seem like thisis a government organization
that's like, oh, we're protecting you from this.
Like, yeah, we built it, you know?
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Full fully knowing. What are you guys doing with
this? Are you going to destroy the
planet? Are you going to use this weapon
to terrorize people because you can't power it without shadow?
So what was like? And I'm, and I, I think that's a
good point. I, I kind of interpreted as like
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they were just trying to keep the status quo and they were
like, we just want to keep it silent.
We want to keep it quiet. We don't want to dive into that,
but you're right. Like they were never, they were
not a villain. They were not established as a
villain. Like it was just a, you know,
we're here. We we don't want you to have the
keys. Well, why?
Because we don't want you to. Kids No.
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OK, but they didn't like hurt myexperience, but they weren't the
strongest part of the story. But for sure, I don't, I'm not
going to say like they shouldn'thave been there.
I just think they should have had a stronger motive than they
had in the movie. Yeah, I just little things like
that that keep it from 5 stars. I do appreciate that they took
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the feedback from Sonic 2 and cut down on the human
shenanigans and actually kept itfocused on Sonic, Tails,
Knuckles, and Shadow. Because in Sonic 2, like you had
that really big stretch that wasall the wedding stuff, which was
set up. Was it even set up?
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What was it? For I don't remember I.
Haven't seen it for it was it was it was set up to get Tom and
Maddie out of the house because it was her sister's wedding.
And like they were going out to do that and we had to keep
checking in on them because it'sthe B plot.
And then it kind of all came together when Sonic showed up
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and then Gunn was like, aha, nowwe've got you, Mr. Hedgehog man.
And but that whole section like is, yes, it's fun, but whenever
I talk to people about Sonic 2, it's like the one thing that
they're like. Yeah, there's too many people
and I thought that too, like I said that in.
Too long, like if you could havecondensed it down, I think it
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would have been fine. And I think they found that
balance in this movie of when Tom and Maddie were on screen,
like doing stuff. It was directly involved with
the main plot, very motivated. So and it never felt like it was
wasted time because it was hey, we're setting up this, you know,
family camping thing at the beginning or here's like 30
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seconds of what we've been doingwhile the boys are gone.
And then like, oh, let's go helpyou infiltrate this thing.
And then obviously they disappear until the end of the
movie because Tom almost freaking dies.
And then they come back at the end to like re establish the
family unit. OK, yeah, so but they were, they
were very healthily balanced, yes, in the story, like they
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were, they were there when they needed to be and weren't when
they didn't, so. Exactly.
And I think that does wonders because it's I mean, here's the
thing, it's it's a movie about Sonic.
Like as much as I like Tom and Maddie, this is not Tom and
Maddie the movie like it. We're here to see Sonic.
And also James Marsden is genuinely such a funny guy.
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Like he's a really great actor. I, I first saw him in the movie
Hop, another movie where he interacted with a ACG animal.
But I think I, I don't, I think that we shouldn't over shadow
him in this movie because he wasreally hilarious.
Like I loved him this movie. Over Shadow.
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No you're right, he was great and honestly mad respect on the
movie for having the balls to almost kill him off.
No, literally. Like I was a little shot.
I was like, no way, no shot. They're gonna I'm.
Glad they didn't, it would have made me too sad.
But you know, good on them for. No, it was a good it was a good
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character moment for shot where like.
He is he. Is so blinded by this rage that
he like on site this guy and then the thing fails and you see
him be like oh, oh, wait a minute, hold on a second.
I wasn't supposed to do that. Wait a minute.
Someone ain't right. And then Sonic shows up and like
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it is a good moment. I That fight was so cool.
They're like that bought. That was baller dude.
They're like final fight. That was crazy.
When, like, Sonic's coming up from Earth and, you know,
they're like, they're shooting missiles on us.
Like, what is it? And he just boom, right through
the space station. I'm like, whoa.
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It was like, it was like the endof No Way Home when Peter
Parker's like about to like killthe Green Goblin and you're
like, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Like he and also there's so much
potential when you do a fight between two CG characters that
there's just no weight because it's like, oh, they're just in
space, like kind of like tussling, right?
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And you're like, I don't, I don't connect to this.
Even when the fight comes down to earth and they're like, he's
like, it was kind of like that scene from Man of Steel where he
punches him and then he catches up and he punches him again.
And they were doing that, but they were jumping across the
globe 'cause they're like both these supersonic hedgehogs.
And like, I just thought that was cool.
I kid you not, like there was a point where, and I think it was
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shadow, like he just reeled backhis first and like decked this
dude in the face and I in the like they did the perfect like
sound effect, like sound work and visual that looks so like it
looked it. I felt it like he just like like
round up and just went bam. And in the theater I went, Oh,
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but they're both like, you know,computer generated hedgehogs
like I was. But I was like, Oh, that hurt.
Yeah, that's how I felt when Sonic did that.
And he, like, yes, reeled back as Supersonic and punched him
into the moon. Yes, I was.
Really. That was crazy.
That was Baller. My first thought was I was like,
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please let him say I'm pissing on the moon.
Please let him say I'm pissing on the moon.
God, I don't ask for much. Please let him say.
Which is so funny that that's what everyone wanted because
it's not even from an actual game.
It's fan dumb, no? No, yeah, my name is Memphis,
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TN. I miss my wife tales.
I miss my wife tales. Yeah, I I really like that
fight, but I also feel like, andI'm sure the Mario movie will
run into this problem with the sequel when you bring out this
ultimate item of like the MasterEmerald or the Superstar.
Like what? What was there to stop Sonic
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from using the the Master Emerald again and going
supersonic like in the last movie?
It was a last resort, like desperation.
I have all the things and now I can, you know, save my family or
whatever, right? This was like.
There wasn't a consequence to using.
It he didn't have to go find it,like no, he literally just
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popped a ring, went and got it from Wade and then left, right
and like that was it. Well, and I didn't like that
because when they when she said she was like, why don't you just
use the Master Emerald? They were like, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't destroy the world.
Do that, we're going to die and Knuckles is going to hate me
forever. And then he did it and nothing
happened. And I was like, oh, I, I guess
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the Master Emerald is a social construct, but also like.
And now we don't know where the Master Emerald's at.
Right, But also like he said when they brought that up and
she was like, why don't you justuse this?
He was like, we can't at first Iwas like, oh, this is really
smart because that's going to bethe plot hole that everyone
points out is they're like, well, why can't they just use
the Master Emerald again? And I thought I was like, oh,
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they just said that to explain like This is why we can't do
this just to like avoid the discourse.
But then he did use it and I also like I thought it undercut
the emotional weight just a little bit because his whole
thing was like, oh, I have to make good decisions like I do
getting the Master Emerald is a bad decision.
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And like I, who I am, is based on my decisions.
The Master Emerald is a terribledecision.
And then he did it. And then granted, they switched
more to like the bad decision was letting his anger fester
enough to fight Shadow the way that he did, right?
But they built it up like the Master Emerald.
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Using the Master Emerald was thebad decision.
And then he used it and it endedup being a good decision.
And so it was like it. Became a good decision later on
because he would have. Just freaking died if he went
after Shadow without it. He.
Also can't get the space withoutit right, you know.
But you know, it was like, I don't know, that felt that felt
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a little. Cheap.
I really appreciated the power gap between Sonic and Shadow.
We're like Sonic is in super like super Sonic mode and Shadow
just and knocks all of the emeralds out.
I was like, dude. And then when they like ran up
and grabbed it and they both turned into I was like, I was
like 10 years old. I was just like, yes, this is my
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Infinity War. And that wasn't even like the
full extent of his power. He did 'cause you see him take
the the wrist things off and goes even more powerful.
And I was like, dude, he would have obliterated Sonic like in
his entirety. So I'm I'm not the most well
versed in the Sonic lore so I'm like this may just be me being
stupid but like they didn't haveto grab the emeralds again to go
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supersonic again after their conversation on the moon.
They kind of just like Super Saiyan went and then became that
and. They really said.
Yeah, they really said, all right, here we go.
And then they did it. And now we don't know where the
Master Emerald is at because like Sonic Command, like the the
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emeralds never came out of Sonicwhen he was done.
And I mean, I guess unless. Shadow has it, but also like I
say, like, oh, the emerald endedup being a good decision.
Maybe we're picking up where like we've lost the emerald
again and that's why it was a terrible decision.
Like maybe that's the 4th 1:00 for all we know.
And they're just setting it up and we it just, we don't see the
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full picture because. If you because there's seven of
them, I think. Yeah, 7 emeralds.
So you split those up and now that's kind of like the premise
of the 4th 1 is like, all right,well now we have to go get all
seven of them. I do hope that they don't do the
Super Sonic every movie. I will say in the second one it
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hit a lot harder because becauseit was like people lost their
freaking mind. I remember being in the theater.
I was there on a Wednesday nightand it was like with all the
Sonic fans, they were. Squares.
Yeah, so. But if you do it every movie,
it's like, OK, like. It starts to cheapen it every
movie, so I think you can go thenext one without it and then if
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they do a fifth one, you loop itback to that, yeah.
But do it as like in Sacrifice. Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm, I'm scared because I'm like, OK, we're 3 for three,
but Jim Carrey is out now and we're still going to try to go.
We're still going. I'm a little nervous now, like
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do you think that we're going 4 for 4/5 for five?
I think they could do it. I think Jim Carrey is a very big
like general audience puller. But I think what keeps these
movies good is their ability to be good movies while also being
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a good adaptation of the Sonic lore.
And I know there's a lot of different bosses to pull from in
the Sonic lore. Yeah, so you can pull from that
and have a different villain than just Egg Man.
And perhaps they're going to be like, hey, this worked really
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well. We should get another really
well known comedian to do it. And if they're like, oh, Martin
Short is our next villain and it's like sick, let's do that.
Or they're like, I don't know. I don't know if Will Ferrell
would really work for it. But like there's there's
different people to pull from that could not mimic, but bring
a similar vibe and bring a similar audience than Jim Carrey
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could. I'm just also like he was, he's
the best part. He's my favorite part of all
three of those movies. And so like, removing him from
it will be hard for me. And I just remember being in the
theater for Sonic 2 and he was like, you'll be you'll be lost
on earth without me. You'll never, you'll never make
it here. We don't know how to floss.
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And I was so funny. He just like he makes anything,
anything that should be cringe is funny the way that he
delivers it because in like in this movie, like he's like
beating up his granddad and he'slike blocked report.
He's like, he's like blocked andunsubscribed block report.
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And it was like, that should be cringe.
That should be how do you do fellow kids?
But he he made it so good. And I'm like, if we can't pull
that same energy, then it's going to be cringe and that's
scary. Right, yeah, I'm, I'm interested
to see where it goes. And I, I'm really like trying to
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put it put off the future talk until the very end.
Yeah, because there's a lot of different ways it could go.
Right. So do you think Keanu's here to
stay like I do? I think he's in.
Dude he's such a chill guy. Like he literally does whatever
at this point. He's made his money between John
Wick and the Matrix. Like he's.
Like, OK, I could be a tumbleweed head in the SpongeBob
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movie, right? Voice.
Shadow the Hedgehog, right? How?
Do you feel he did in this movie?
I mean, he was Keanu, you know, he, I really like Keanu Reeves.
John Wick is one of my favorite movies.
He has a very good voice, but also, I mean, like John Wick is
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my favorite role he's in where he does like almost no dialogue
and so like hearing his voice isdifferent.
I think he did good, but he was,I mean, he was Keanu.
Like, you know, he did his standard Keanu things and it
worked well, but it wasn't like,whoa, Keanu Reeves killed in the
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Sonic movie. It was like he was Keanu and
it's not bad, but it wasn't special.
Yeah, I I got really excited at the casting and then I watched a
movie and I think he did a good job, but there was just
something about it that felt different to the other two.
Yeah. And maybe that's because I like
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and it's not even from a Oh well, that's not how Shadow
sounds in the game, because I I don't know.
I don't care but. There were certain points where
I was like, oh, that's Keanu Reeves, right?
Like. Like he and there's a couple
points where you can do that with everyone else.
Be like, oh, that's Ben Schwartz.
Oh, that's just Elba. Like Ben Schwartz is funny, like
he he just he is Sonic at this point.
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And I don't know if it's just like he didn't have like other
movies to kind of like get into that.
But I also like I felt like likeBen Schwartz and eat yourself,
but they were all like, I can imagine them in the booth just
like like spazzing out and just be like, this is Sonic.
And then like I could see him like standing very straight and
just be like, my world was demolished by this and I don't
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know where I'm from. And it's like, that's cool.
I just need like my only direction is more like you're a
colorful bunch. You're a colorful bunch.
I. Love I there were a couple
points like that where he was like very deep and serious.
You're a colorful bunch. When we're done, there will be
nothing left. Nothing left.
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And it's like, all right, what was?
The what was the what was the girl's name?
Maria. They didn't shoot the girl.
No. Dude.
Is this what Maria would have wanted?
I'm so sad, yeah, I'm so sad that they didn't shoot the girl.
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Why? Because that's like an integral
part of The thing is that like gun intentionally killed her,
not that they shot a barrel and it exploded and she's the only
one they were. No, but they were trying to
shoot her was the bigger they were trying to kill all of them.
It's just and then the guy was like stop, what are you doing?
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And that is what caused the explosion.
I didn't. I wasn't bothered by that
because I knew that they were trying.
To kill her. They were trying.
I just I feel like everyone's expectation was they were just
going to have a guy appointed. It's going to be locked 19 at
this girl and shoot her on. And they're like, yeah, they're
villains, like. How is that guys?
I don't think they're going to murder a child on screen on
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screen. However, I can't be disappointed
that they didn't for the. Team.
I don't think you'd say that well.
I just did so we had a good. Run Sonic 4 is confirmed.
Sonic 4 is confirmed. You have anything else you want
to say about this movie before we talk about that?
Not, I mean, not really. I think I think really like Jim
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Carrey for the Oscar. That's all I that's all I got.
Seen that after every Sonic movie and he never.
Yes, and he never gets it. He never gets his flowers.
The only thing he ever wins is the Kids Choice Awards.
That's 'cause the Oscars doesn'tcare about peak cinema.
Sonic 3. I do want to.
Say I did. Like the the continued concept
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of location hopping and not staying in one location because
they went to what, Japan and then presumably back to the US
for that gun base and then to London.
I do think it's really funny when the trailer came out, there
was that shot of all three of them standing there and they
look really sad. And everyone is like, why do
they look so sad? And someone is like, because
they're in London. I would be sad too.
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And then the full context is like, Sonic doesn't know if his
Earth dad is about to die or not.
Like there's like the context ispretty bad and it's like, Nah,
he's in London. He's just in the UKI.
Appreciate Knuckles destroying Big Ben though.
Yeah that was funny. Like he just absolutely
shattered the. And we just never talked about
it again. And it's never brought up again.
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Like nobody? No.
One thought about it. That's crazy, yeah.
What do you think about the future?
First of all, I knew Sonic had two post credit scenes because I
Googled it, but I did the littleGoogle thing where like I
covered the bottom results because I didn't want it to pop
up and be like, oh, Sonic post credits scene is this.
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So I just saw like 2 and I was like, OK, so I just need to sit
through the whole credits and we'll see.
First post credits scene, I was like, OK, Sonic ran all the way
to New York City. Like, OK, I guess you're just
wasting my time for the bit, right?
And then this thing, like, explodes behind him and the red
eyes light up and I'm like, there's no way.
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There's no way. And it's Metal Sonic.
And I'm like, bro, first of all,I have a lot of questions.
What? How, Who, where, When?
Why? Great questions by the way, be
answered. So it also everyone was worried
that if they were ever going to do Metal Sonic, he would end up
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looking alike the Eggman drones that are white and black and
more like futuristic. But the main 1 looks very like
it has the blue and silver like like it looks like it's not just
a white and black like the rest of Eggman stuff.
And there was all of them. And I was like, oh, OK, so
there's a lot of them now. And I thought that was going to
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be the the cliffhanger of like, oh, how's Sonic going to get out
of this? And then you see the hammer go
around and like, kill all of therobots.
And I was like, ain't no shot, no way.
And then there's Amy. And she's here now, which also,
I don't know if you noticed this, it's been pointed out to
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me multiple times, the characterthat will be introduced in the
next movie is the color of Maddie's shirt.
Because in the 1st movie she wore yellow and it was tails.
In the second movie she wore black or red and it was shadow.
And then in this movie she consistently wore pink.
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And then Amy was in the post credits scene.
Someone put that together and I was like, huh, that's
interesting. That had to have been
intentional. They have like, you don't do
that three times accidentally, right?
Like. Interesting.
Come on now. So Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is set
to release in in Spring 2027. Wow, current.
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It's 2 1/2 years from now. So yeah, but do you think, what
do you think they're going to goto five?
Are they stopping at 4? Like are they going till it
stops making money? I heard they're going until it
stops making money which is weird.
I mean if you keep making quality movies like.
That's why I keep making money. I'm I don't, I don't care if if
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you keep making them, but the idea that we're going to keep
going until it's bad is not a good creative philosophy at all.
Here's here's my bigger thing isSonic One, it was just Sonic.
Yeah, right. Sonic Two it was.
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Sonic and Tails. Sonic, Tails and Knuckles.
OK, that's 2. Right.
The movie The number of the movie seems to coincide with how
many new characters they're introducing, right?
In Sonic Three, it was Shadow, Metal, Sonic, and Amy.
That's three. So we're getting 4 new.
So if that trend continues though, right, it I feel like
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what you're going to end up running into is a majority of
your cast will be non human. And at what point do you switch
and do like an animated movie oran animated series?
Because if you're going to have Sonic, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy all
together, right on top of like Metal Sonic and all these other
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characters that could come in, at what point do you just say,
all right, let's do an animated series or an animated movie
every couple years, like, and we'll just switch everyone to
voice and acting and we'll keep going.
Because I don't know, I just feel also at a certain point,
and I felt like this was being teased a little bit with Tom,
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like looking at the drawing of Greenhill Zone that he had on
the wand. He's like, what's that?
And I was like, are they teasinglike we're going back there at
some point? Because it actually boggles my
mind that has been 3 movies and they haven't tried to go back.
Like Sonic hasn't tried to go back and be like, OK, well I
have all my friends now, let's go back.
Even if it's just to visit like.Also think about if you if you
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watch like Sonic X and that kindof thing, they're in space for
most of Sonic X, right? So like you could for sure do
like the final space battle thing because there's so many
more Sonic characters to pull from.
But also like, can you do the final space battle without Egg
Man at that point, right? And so it's like there's a lot
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of direction and it's the kind of thing where it's like they're
3 for three. I love the direction they've
gone so far. But the further you go, the the
less dice you're rolling and like the more you, the, the
bigger the risk you keep going. So I'm really hoping it could be
a flop. It could be a Pirates of the
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Caribbean situation where the first three are solid because
they had a genuine direction andarc to the trilogy.
But I also feel like the way these movies are set up, it's
not like it is. It has a narrative, but it's not
dependent on the narrative because it's not like Pirates of
the Caribbean, where the you. Have you pick up right where he
left off? Right.
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Like the first three had a clearnarrative and then when they
closed that narrative, there wasnothing.
It was lost, left. Where is this movie?
It's. Very open.
Is still very open and I think the post credit scenes have done
a very good job at leaving them open because now it's like OK
well where did Metal Sonic come from?
Where did Amy come from? How did she get here?
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Like why is Shadow still alive? Like you still have all these
questions that you can narratively follow up.
And I mean, Metal Sonic doesn't even have to be Eggman.
But we also don't know the time jump between that post credit
scene and the end of the movie because it seems like 1 Eggman
would have needed that Sonic Quill to do anything with the
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Metal Sonic. And that was the instant theory.
As soon as that scene was in thetrailer, everyone's like, oh,
we're getting Metal Sonic in thenext movie because he needs the
quill to to do the thing. So it's like, OK, well the
insinuation is that he is still alive, right?
Somehow, by some stretch of the imagination, like if Shadow
yoinked him out of there and didthe teleport thing like.
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Unless he already started it before, but he was in like his
depression hole before that. But he didn't.
He also didn't have the quill. Like he wouldn't have had the
time right right after the fact,after getting the quill to do
anything, right? So I guess the assumption is
that he's still alive and. Unless they're kind of like
shifting around the lore, but that gets messy too.
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I don't know. I really, I really don't think
they should go past five just because it's like, 'cause you
know, John Wick did 4 and it wasgood.
And honestly, they, they maybe could have done three.
I don't, the second one is not my favorite.
But like if you go, if you're like we're making Sonic 6, then
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you're like, OK, like you can't do the mission of the movie, the
mission of the day type story 6 times.
It's like Stranger things. Everyone's like, why don't they
just leave? Like what?
Like why do we keep doing like this like mission of the season
type thing before they're it gets a little ridiculous like so
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I'm hoping that five can kind oflike wrap it up and it can just
be like these 5 movies are 5 forfive.
They're phenomenal. You should watch all of them.
That's it. And it's not like my
grandchildren go to see Sonic 12like it's the next Fast and
Furious. I also think at a certain point
you have to wrap up the narrative, yes.
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And if that narrative is Sonic gets called to this bigger like
Avengers level type thing, rightwhere you can not necessarily a
crossover with like Nintendo or anything, but a way to wrap up
his story on Earth and move him on to a bigger thing.
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Because then what you can do is you are ending the story arc of
his Earth saga, right, With these 5 movies.
Or I guess let's for now, let's say 4, 'cause we don't know.
We're getting a fifth one. That's just the assumption.
So let's say movie 4, Amy comes in and is like, hey, there's
this really big threat like out here that is starting to seep
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down here. So we got to go out and do that.
And that's where you wrap up that arc, and then you free the
Sonic characters from the live action movie lore and you can
still take that voice cast and go do a really good animated
show. Yeah.
But you don't have like, and then you can go out and do all
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of these big, like, let's go to the Sonic worlds, let's go get
out there and expand to that universe 'cause there's so much
lore out there. There's a lot like so and
honestly the story of Sonic is told better thematically than in
the game. Like they tell the story better
with movies and shows than rightthe actual game.
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So at a certain point, I I do want them to break away from the
live action mold, which is hard because these are some of the
most successful live action video game adaptations ever
done. And they're good.
And they're like, actually good.Can you imagine what would what
how a different world we would be living in if Ugly Sonic hit
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theaters? We wouldn't have to we.
Wouldn't be here? We wouldn't be at 2:00 and 3:00.
No for. Sure, we wouldn't like that's
not gonna be talking about four happens.
No. So it's it's definitely
something we'll see where it goes.
I guess we'll be back here Spring. 27 We still have the
podcast by then. I love this tradition.
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I love that we like, we talk about the Sonic movies like
they're like cinematic masterpieces 'cause they are
like we're giving them the flowers they deserve.
What? How many episodes do we average
every year? Oh my gosh. 26 Oh no did.
You bump your HDMI or something you got so like.
I think I did Oopsies. That's OK.
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Oh, give me a second. There you go.
There we go. I don't know what I did.
I think I'm bumping my Cam like and it like freaked out.
Anyway, how many how many episodes do we average a year?
26? Would you say like 20 something?
Yeah. We did 30 this year technically,
but we had a bunch of extras putin there. 26, we'll say like 25.
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Time yeah, let's do let's do 25 easy math spring 2027 is 2 1/2
years away yeah so I mean we. You will be We'll be marrying
episode 300. No, we're nearing 200 cause 2
years is about 50 episodes give or take.
(56:59):
Yeah, you're right, 192. Yeah.
So Sonic Sonic 4 could be episode 200 if we play our cards
right. So I think we just need to keep
an eye on that over the next twoyears.
Let's. Really like.
We'll see. Really game the system and like,
see where we're going. We do that sometimes.
(57:19):
You know, just to make sure it'slike extra special.
Right, right, right. So there you go.
Well, do you have anything else to add or I think that was a
pretty in depth review. All I can say is konichi what?
That felt weird. I don't.
I don't like. I thought it was funny.
I thought it was funny. You need to let it go.
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He's a kid. I'm a straight white.
Man, but I'm also like, was thata he's?
Quippy. He's supposed to be stupid.
This is the same Sonic that likeflipped a truck over on the
Interstate and got out and started flossing.
No, you're right. He is like a kid.
You're right. He's Sonic gets a pass for being
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culturally insensitive because he's don't worry, he's an alien.
It's fine. I will say one thing I want to
mention one they played live andlearn, which is like big game
from or big game big song from the Sonic games.
I think it's the main theme of Sonic Adventure 2, which is
loosely what this movie is basedon because it's all about
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Shadow. So that was big.
That was a really big complaint a lot of people had is that they
weren't using music from the games, which is something
ironically enough, we didn't have an issue with in the Mario
movie is they really just used abunch of music from the games
and made it interesting for that.
But they did seem to use a lot more of that in this movie, and
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I did really love. I'm a sucker for the enemies to
rival stroke, where it's like they're not friends, but they're
not enemies and they're not frenemies.
They're just rivals. Like they're just.
In this friendly competition with each other for the rest of
time like Sonic and Shadow Goku and Vegeta like that kind of
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Deku and that respect each otherit's it's.
Good. There's a respect.
I like that. So I agree.
That's my closing thought. There you go, Sonic 3.
Don't let the haters tell you that it's bad, because it's
really good. If you have an ounce of whimsy,
you will like Sonic 3. Oh, what did you give it on
letterbox? I gave four stars.
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Yeah, me too. And it.
I gave four stars and it broke my top five.
I put it above. I forgot that.
What it? Needed to do that.
I put it right under Deadpool but above piece by piece.
Let me find it on mine. So my top five is the fall guy,
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the wild robot, Wicked, Deadpool, Sonic 3.
So mine is my hero #1 Spy family, Bunny girl, senpai,
Transformers 1 and Sonic 3. There you go.
It broke my top five. It was not in a year that we
have dubbed a bad year for movies.
Sonic could not get any higher than 5 right.
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Just crazy, but you know. Well, guys, I think it's time to
wrap it up. Thank you so much for listening
to our final episode of the year.
Wow. Big year back.
I'm going to find it. Keep talking.
Yeah, see what's on the see whenwe come back.
We'll see you next year. And we thank you so much for
listening this year and today. If you like this kind of
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First day back is January 6th. Sorry.
Only funny to American audiences.
Sorry how January 6th like used to be this normal day and now
anytime someone says it it's like.
January 6th, so we'll be back onJanuary 6th.
Nobody clipped that. We'll be back.
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Right. So it's fun.
We'll be back on January 6th it all if all goes well and we'll
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All I can say is konichi what? That felt weird.
I don't. I don't like.
I thought it was funny. He's quippy.
He's supposed to be stupid. This is the same Sonic that like
flipped a truck over on the Interstate and got out and
started flossing. No, you're right.
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Hello and welcome to the Nerdiest podcast, the show where
nerds talk about nerdy things. I'm your host, Mr. Nick Merritt,
and as always, I'm joined by my ride or die, the one the only
Mr. Jackson Glass and guys, let's be real.
Did you think we were going to end the year without talking
about Sonic the Hedgehog 3? No, you're wrong.
So to today we're here to do an entire review, jump into all of
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our thoughts on the movie. It's going to be a spoiler cast.
There will be spoilers for the movie.
So if you haven't seen it, go see it.
I think it's good. Jackson thinks it's good 'cause
he gave it at least four stars on Letterbox.
So go watch it, come back and then listen to our spoiler cast.
So there's not going to be any news or any other mumbo jumbo
this week, just doing a movie review.
(01:26):
But before we jump into that, Jackson, how has your week been?
Well, I'll tell you, it was quite good.
If you're watching the video here, you can see that I'm I'm
home again for break. And so I'm off school for
Christmas break and we'll be back in January.
But it's been really productive and really fun.
It's really nice to get out of school and like have the time to
work on stuff. So I just put out a YouTube
(01:47):
video, my ultimate Christmas movie tier list that I thought
was super fun. So if you, if you're following
on the Glass studios, GLAS Studios on YouTube, you can go
watch that after this podcast. Other than that, I'm really, I'm
just buying Christmas presents. I'm really just, I'm trying to
keep up. And I got to a point where the
other day I went out and I was like, it's slowly getting
(02:09):
closer. Traffic is getting worse.
Oh. Dude, traffic is started on the
traffic, it's off it. Took me and I.
Go ahead, I'll let you finish. I'll let you finish because.
I was just going to say, like I got to the point where I said
traffic is getting worse. If your name is not on my list
today, you don't get anything. Like I have a list of things and
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that's what I'm getting and I'm not going back out.
Granted, I forgot my most important gift from that list
and I went out again this morning, but now I'm done.
If I didn't buy you something now, you try again next year
'cause I cannot do this. I had to go to like Sam's Club
for work to get something and ittook an hour just to drive over
(02:52):
there, get in park, go in. Of course, none of their card
readers work is just. It's not an enjoyable time to be
outside. But now I get to stay home until
2025, so. That's so fair.
I went straight to the theater from work yesterday and there's
really, there's a bunch of different ways I could have gone
(03:16):
to get to where the theater was at because it's in like the
shopping center, right? And I could have gone the back
way and like looped around and Iprobably should have, but I was
like, no, I'm going to take the fastest route from work.
And it took me 35 minutes to do a 15 minute drive.
(03:36):
It was bumper to bumper snail traffic the entire way.
And I was like, dude, This is why I don't come over here this
time of year. I hate it.
It's awful. All these people guys simply
just shop sooner. No, literally, I mean me too.
Come on 4. Shops shop sooner, so that when
(03:57):
I shop late, you're not there. Yeah, that's kind of where
that's it. So I'm like, if I don't have to
go over there again, I'm not going to, although I'm probably
going to go see Sonic again, butI might wait till like closer to
Christmas Day or like day after Christmas when everyone's like
at home or not in state anymore,you know?
(04:17):
So we'll see how that goes. But other than that, I don't
know what I've done this week. I've worked, I've been working,
work has been really busy. I have not had time to form an
original thought outside of work.
Fair. That's where everyone is at
though. Like so just kind of wrap up
before the year. As as is tradition with our
family now, we went to the Four King Country Christmas concert
(04:41):
this week, which was really cool.
And I have a video that I might put up on screen if I don't feel
too lazy of I think it was Joel came through like the audience
and like the balcony where we were at and literally like
walked right past me. It was kind of crazy, but it was
a good concert. They changed up some stuff from
last year, which was nice because the concert last year
(05:04):
was almost exactly the same as the concert the year before.
So I was worried going into it athird time, like, all right, I'm
gonna see the same thing. Is it worth it the third time?
Like so? It was still good, though.
That's good. So I like their music aside from
that that I mean, I hit 3000 Subs on YouTube this week.
Woo Hoo. So that's lit.
(05:27):
I have a internal goal for next year now because I didn't think
I thought I'd barely be scrapingby 1000 this year, let alone
3000. So I'm like, OK, got a new
internal goal for next year and we'll see if I can hit.
It so see, see, this week I've been editing in the morning and
then going to parties at night because when you're an adult,
(05:50):
you do five different white elephant parties.
Highballer, I literally like this week have been to three
different dirty Santa white elephant parties and it's too
expensive. I can't keep buying white
elephant gifts. And some people are like, oh,
(06:10):
the limit's $10. Some say it's 30, like some say
like guys, keep your circle small.
You know it, But also I start tounderstand Christmas with the
cranks a little more. I'm like, oh, you're right, this
is freaking expensive. But also my birthday is in
December, so I kind of like my Christmas gift fund comes from
(06:33):
my birthday. But it shouldn't have to but.
It shouldn't have to. OK, But also like if I get cash
for my birthday, that's my cash.Like I keep it like I keep it to
my chest until January 1st and then I like buy everything I've
ever wanted. I just, I think I, I feel like
that it's so funny that that's the attitude, especially as a
kid. Like you get all these gift
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cards and stuff for Christmas. They're supposed to hold you
over. Which for me, because my
birthday is in May, it's like halfway ish through the year,
right? So it's like, OK, well, these
gift cards are supposed to like last you save them until you're
no, you blow them all the week of January when the new Lego
sets come out. And they do that intentionally.
It's evil. It's.
Evil to the way that they do that, that they're like, you
(07:14):
know what, we just had our biggest sale period of the year.
Do you know what we're going to do?
Put out more so that these kids always want more, but it's not
kids anymore because it's Legos are priced out.
So it's us. So it's like all that cash you
got for Christmas gone, gone January 1st, drop all these new
sets. I'm like, you know what?
You're nasty. It's diabolical.
(07:35):
Gosh, yeah, I always, we always had a rule in my family where it
was if you are given a gift card, you you have to, you're
not allowed to buy someone else something with a gift card.
It's like if you get a gift cardfor your birthday or for
Christmas, it has to be something you buy for yourself.
That's because that's their intention.
That's the intention of the gift.
(07:57):
So like I've been to Target liketwice this week buying stuff and
I have a ton of Target gift cards and I'm like, I could
really like knock the price downon this right now.
But it's also like, it's like this is this is a complete side
tangent. Target's reward system is
different now. And for years they did the like.
If you purchase and you put yourphone number in at the end you
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would essentially gain rewards and you gain money.
Yeah, like you'd slowly accrue, slowly accrue, so.
I've had the same Target accountsince I was in, like, the
beginning of high school. Now, honestly, their reward
ratio sucks. And so over four years, I've
made $32. That's it.
Which, yeah. Well I have a cheat code because
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I got my mom to start doing putting my.
Phone number in. So when she goes and spends like
$500.00 at Target I get a reward.
No, no. But here's the The thing is my
mom is too smart to do that for me and has her own phone number.
And so every time I try, it justdoesn't work out for me.
So I have 30 something dollars and I've kept it because I was
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like one of these days I'm goingto build it up and I'm just
going to get the biggest Lego set in the store and I'm going
to walk out and it's going to befree.
It's. Going to be.
Free. Well, this year they changed
their system to be more like theonly comparison I have is Publix
where they do if you put in yourphone number, certain items will
be discounted, but they never discount anything.
(09:28):
It's always like, oh, you $2 offlike pop Tarts or like I got
like a bag of chocolate for someone for Christmas and it was
like $2 off because I had the Target circle and I was like,
this is stupid. But also like I also have these
gift cards. But then I have these rewards
that are valid till April and that's when the cycle fully
(09:51):
comes around for the rewards. So I'm like, OK, I have
including gift cards and the thing I have about $75.00 at
Target that is mine. Go get yourself a nice like.
So I'm like which I don't know which one I want.
Can you get 75? Doesn't even get.
You a good Lego set anymore? That is so stupid that.
Barely gets you one of those like helmet head.
(10:13):
Right, for real. But also like The thing is, is
it's like O75, but then if it's like, well, I'd I'd throw 50
bucks at it to get like a nice, nice one, you know, right.
But I also really want the office 1 before they discontinue
it. And that's only at Walmart.
Yeah, yeah. Go to the no what you got to do?
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Well, I guess you have the moneyon the app.
I was going to say just give thegift cards to your mom and tell
her to give you cash for. Them hey, can I lash it out?
Swap them back. I I do that with my mom all the
time. I think I actually have a
Walmart gift card that I've had in my wallet for a long time and
it technically belongs to me andAmy, but.
Well, once you get married, it'slike what's yours is hers, and
(10:55):
what's hers is yours. You know that's.
What I'm saying? Every gift I've bought her this
year I'm like I can't wait to mess with this.
You're just preparing. You're just preparing.
Like now, like the mentality, Well, this is our Walmart gift.
This is. Our Walmart and that's why I
used it to buy Legos. And you can say, well, you know
what would really benefit the the apartment.
The apartment, and it's the office Lego.
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A Lego set for decoration never seen right?
And then see and then that's a bonding exercise cause watch the
office while you're putting it together.
It's good. Perfect, this is healthy
marriage guys. Guys, buy our new Buy our new
audio book about how to have a healthy marriage.
Speaking of having a healthy marriage, you know who has a
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healthy marriage? Tom and Maddie.
Tom and. Maddie from Sonic the Hedgehog
3, they were a freaking adorablein that movie.
I'm so serious. So hey guys, this is your wall
right here. This is your point.
Spoilers for Sonic 3 if you care.
If you haven't seen it, this is the spot right here.
We're about to spoil the whole thing, so one. 54321.
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Oh my God, it freaking dies. Shadow freaking dies.
And then the end scene where Mario comes out of the portal
and invites them to the Olympics.
So. Holy cow.
You told me you only stayed for the one post credit scene right?
And there was 2 the actually good like bro, my jaw was which
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floor by the way? Which is a little embarrassing,
but here's the story. So I, I always stay till the
very end for movies, but I saw this movie with like my whole
family. And so we were there and like we
saw the the second, the first scene with like Amy and then
they just started to leave. And I was like, I was not
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thinking about it at all. I was just like, oh, OK, cool.
There was a post credit scene. Let's leave.
Because if I'm in the theater, like either myself or with
friends or whatever, I'm like, no, we're staying.
But they just left chit chat. And I just like, I just didn't
think about it. And so we left and I missed the
second one. So explain the second one to me
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the. Second one is very simple.
It's. I do feel like it's a necessary
one because the. Future of the franchise.
Yeah, because as far as we know,like Shadow went out and
exploded in with the Galaxy thing and everyone and it was
like, oh, Shadows dead. And then the post credit scene
was like his little armband was in the ground and he walked over
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and he picked it up. So he's not dead.
Right, that was the whole which was kind of old.
He wasn't. Yeah, no, you can't bring in
Keanu Reeves and then kill him. Kill him in the same movie.
I also felt like I was like Shadow is like one of the most
important Sonic characters and to have him as a one off villain
didn't make sense so I'm really not surprised.
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No, I feel like we OK, we need to not start this review by
talking about the future of the franchise.
So let's. So let's reel it back back Gots
hit me. Hit me with your review, just
like generally overview. All right, generally speaking,
as everyone knows, I love Sonic Two.
It was my movie of 2022. It was great.
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And going into Sonic 3, it looked like they were going to
do a lot of the same stuff. And that's what I was hopeful
for is I just wanted him to do alot of the same stuff, right?
So I feel like that is exactly what I got in this movie.
Now, I don't know if I like it as much as the second one.
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I still feel like I like the second one better, but I don't
know if that's just cuz the second one set my expectations
up here because I feel like the second one had a lot more twists
in it that you couldn't see coming.
Like the Super Sonic at the end of the second movie was super
out of left field because you didn't think like oh, I didn't
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think that's where they were going to go with the master
emerald thing. Like where is this movie was
very not safe but like had a lotof the similar plot beats of the
second one where it's like Sonicis introduced to this new
character who's the same like alien type as he is.
Then we have some human shenanigans and the two of Sonic
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fights the other guy and there'sa conflict there, but the other
guys just misunderstood and doesn't understand why he's
doing what he's doing and he's being manipulated by Egg man.
And then at the end, you know, they have a fight and then after
they fight, they both sit down and have like a heart to heart
conversation. And now he's a good guy now and
he's going to help save the day.And like that aspect of it felt
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very like beat for beat of what happened in the second movie.
And which is interesting becauseI feel like I remember the
director saying in an interview before the 3rd movie came out
like years ago of like, yeah, Sonic's not really going to be
able to, you know, power of friendship, talk his way out of
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a conflict with Shadow. And then that's exactly what he
did. And.
I was like, OK, like I understand it makes sense for
Shadow's character and how that was handled, but also at the
same time, like it does feel very beat for beat of what
happened with Knuckles. Now we don't know if like
Shadow's gonna come in and like join the the family, but I don't
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know. Other than that though, I do
think it was really fun. I do think this is one of Jim
Carrey's more unhinged roles, which says a lot 'cause he's
done a lot of those unhinged roles.
I think they got away with having him play both of the
Robotniks easily. I did appreciate the meta joke
where they were like doing the Mimic and he was like, it's
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almost like we're being played by the same actor.
In the movie. And I was like, all right, I see
you. It's a little, but I get it.
I think it's funny. So I don't know, I thought it
was good, it was enjoyable. I'll definitely go see it again.
But a lot of my other stuff is. A little more.
Specific dive into yeah. I pretty much agree.
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I think the I think it's kind oflike it it was it was the same
same type beat. It was like Sonic 2 but like
bigger. So I don't know.
I I agree with that, but I also it's kind of like Sonic 2
worked. So I'm not can't be mad that
they did the same thing, right. So like, it still worked and it
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didn't feel forced, but it definitely wasn't new.
But it's also like, I don't, I don't go into Sonic 3 thinking,
oh, this is going to be new and grand.
I want the same shenanigans. Like I want I want the same
vibes. And I think they did that really
well. I think this was like maybe the
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most heartfelt one. Like it really was very
emotional. And I was kind of, I literally
left the theater and I said, why, Why is the best morals
we're seeing in our movies rightnow from Sonic the Hedgehog.
Like there was so much like his whole thing where he was like,
like when when Tom talked to himin the end, in the beginning, I
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like got like really struck. I was like, Oh my gosh.
And he's like, he's like, look, you, he was like, you can't, you
shouldn't, like don't let your pain change who you are.
And he was like, it's right there in your heart, like you
know who you are and it's how you respond, not what happens.
And I was just like, oh, Tom, thank you, 'cause it's, it's
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like that. And then the movie that also
came out that day was, you know,Mufasa, this weird, like CG.
So I'm like, no wonder people are going to see Sonic like this
is it's genuinely like a good family movie.
And that was my my, my essentiallike overview as I was like,
this is one of the best family movies I've seen in a long time
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because they're all either way too Kitty or way too edgy or
have terrible morals or just don't work or they're cheap.
But this one was like, it was genuinely hilarious for all
ages. It had great morals, it had
great action. The cast was hilarious.
And I think that this movie was the perfect level of edgy to
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where kids were like, Oh, I can't believe he said that.
But then adults were like, that's good.
And so like especially for Jim Carrey in that role.
And I really like I genuinely laughed out loud at this movie a
couple times. And I really loved when it
really caught me off guard because he was like, maybe this
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is what he said. Like maybe this is what me not
giving a damn what you think, what I look like looks like.
And I was just like, that is so funny.
And I think my the funniest moment in this whole movie is at
the very end when his grandfather like flies into the
thing and he's just like Rabs. And it was like, it caught me so
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off guard. And he's like, he's like, say
what you want about my grandfather.
He made one hell of a bud zapper.
So only Jim Carrey could have done that.
And I think he, I think everyone's kind of in agreement,
like he was the highlight of this movie 'cause they really
just let him go off the rails. Well, that's how it's been for
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the last two movies. No, right?
He's he's been the consistent selling point of all three
movies, which is why I'm interested to see if they do the
4th 1 without him. Without.
'Cause he's like dead dead now. Like the last time he just fell
backwards in the robot and we assumed he got crushed, but then
it was like still open of like, yeah, so and they.
Can't bring him back, especiallywith Shadow staying back and it
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it would be cheap to do that another time.
Right, like it would ruin his character development too, but
you never know. He's also like Jim Carrey said
that Sonic 2 was his last role and then he signed on for three
and he doesn't do sequels. And so I think the idea, are you
killing a bug? Yeah.
There was like a gnat flying right in front of his.
Face, I think for him to do a third sequel is probably out of
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character, especially 'cause he really just kind of wants to
retire. But I think that's why this
movie works so well with him is because he you can tell he cares
so much about the movie and he loves the role.
And I honestly just like from aneditor's perspective, like they
comped him with himself. So well, like there was there
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was a lot of like it wasn't like, you know, in most movies
or, or shows that where the likethey do like the two act one
actor plays 2 characters thing. Yeah, there's so clearly like a
line where they can't cross and it's.
Like like they can't get too close to each other because they
can't overlap because then that right.
Yeah, I know what you're. Talking about and so like they
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can't, but they comped those twothings really well.
And if you also think about likehe when they did all those
scenes, he was wearing like pounds of prosthetic both times.
And so like they would do the whole scene, wipe him of that
one, switch characters, do the whole scene again, wipe again,
do another. And so it was like, I cannot
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imagine what the pre what the pre production of this movie
was. But also, listen, he did the
Grinch and he used all, he did all those prosthetics and he
learned the makeup and he did everything.
And that was God's plan for his life, to prepare him for this
role. You know if you can do the
Grinch you can do 2 fat robotnics. 2 fat robotnics and
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then they're they're freaking like they're dancing when
they're like in the I was cackling in the theater 'cause
they he's just like dancing withhimself.
Just like this is overall like he was first, sure the
highlight, but overall this was like a a surprisingly great
family movie that I would watch again.
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I also think what I did enjoy 'cause when you do have those
same actor plays, the the thing,yeah, it's very easy to cheap
out on it and just do a lot of shots where you're seeing the
back of their head and so that you can put a different face
here, but you can't see them. But they didn't do that.
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There were a lot of shots where you could see both of their
faces and it was still shot as if it wasn't the same person,
right? And I really appreciated that
because it does take a little bit extra work to do it, but it
works. It was really, really
impressive. All right, They they comped him
really well. I thought the story was great.
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I really, really like the characters.
I think they, they really hammered on like the family
dynamic of it that I thought wasreally, I think that's what the
other two movies set up really well was.
They were like, we're A-Team, but we're also a family.
Like he, and it was a whole likecharacter arc thing, 'cause
Sonic is the mischievous hedgehog that like goes on his
own and he does it like, that's been his character in the game
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forever. Yeah.
And so, like to hammer that and really, like, give him this
character arc. Really.
They could have phoned it in so easily to be like, yeah, he's
blue and he runs fast and he's ahedgehog, you know, that that's
it. But it was like, no, he's deeply
traumatized. Like and it's awesome.
Like it's so deep and well thought out and the cast
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obviously cares so much. Genuinely really funny and had a
great message and great morals. And I was like, OK, like they're
genuinely 3 for three so far. Like they they've made 3
bangers. Here's a question How did, as we
like dive into specifics here? How did you feel about Gun and
their involvement in the movie? It was very Agents of SHIELD
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type beat, but I I didn't reallymind it.
I didn't, I didn't have real strong opinion.
I thought they were. It was very much the like, oh,
we have to infiltrate the Bad Company and we've been betrayed.
It's very like Winter Soldier kind of thing.
Yeah. I didn't dislike it, but it it
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wasn't like, oh, this is my favorite part.
I think the story like ended up connecting together really well
between like Shadow and like thegirl and the grandfather and the
general and Robotnik. And like I thought it like they
pasted it out really well to notlike exposition dump at the very
beginning to tell you everything.
Like I like that they really like made you like slowly piece
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it all together. I thought that was cool.
I wish they were a better antagonistic force because they
were just kind of there and moreso there to just be a hindrance
to the two. Like, they were like a middleman
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to the good guys and the bad guys of like, well, we both need
to go against a gun. But it was never established.
Like, what are they trying to dowith this giant thing that they
built for him? Like, why did they want the keys
'cause it doesn't seem like thisis a government organization
that's like, oh, we're protecting you from this.
Like, yeah, we built it, you know?
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Full fully knowing. What are you guys doing with
this? Are you going to destroy the
planet? Are you going to use this weapon
to terrorize people because you can't power it without shadow?
So what was like? And I'm, and I, I think that's a
good point. I, I kind of interpreted as like
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they were just trying to keep the status quo and they were
like, we just want to keep it silent.
We want to keep it quiet. We don't want to dive into that,
but you're right. Like they were never, they were
not a villain. They were not established as a
villain. Like it was just a, you know,
we're here. We we don't want you to have the
keys. Well, why?
Because we don't want you to. Kids No.
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OK, but they didn't like hurt myexperience, but they weren't the
strongest part of the story. But for sure, I don't, I'm not
going to say like they shouldn'thave been there.
I just think they should have had a stronger motive than they
had in the movie. Yeah, I just little things like
that that keep it from 5 stars. I do appreciate that they took
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the feedback from Sonic 2 and cut down on the human
shenanigans and actually kept itfocused on Sonic, Tails,
Knuckles, and Shadow. Because in Sonic 2, like you had
that really big stretch that wasall the wedding stuff, which was
set up. Was it even set up?
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What was it? For I don't remember I.
Haven't seen it for it was it was it was set up to get Tom and
Maddie out of the house because it was her sister's wedding.
And like they were going out to do that and we had to keep
checking in on them because it'sthe B plot.
And then it kind of all came together when Sonic showed up
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and then Gunn was like, aha, nowwe've got you, Mr. Hedgehog man.
And but that whole section like is, yes, it's fun, but whenever
I talk to people about Sonic 2, it's like the one thing that
they're like. Yeah, there's too many people
and I thought that too, like I said that in.
Too long, like if you could havecondensed it down, I think it
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would have been fine. And I think they found that
balance in this movie of when Tom and Maddie were on screen,
like doing stuff. It was directly involved with
the main plot, very motivated. So and it never felt like it was
wasted time because it was hey, we're setting up this, you know,
family camping thing at the beginning or here's like 30
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seconds of what we've been doingwhile the boys are gone.
And then like, oh, let's go helpyou infiltrate this thing.
And then obviously they disappear until the end of the
movie because Tom almost freaking dies.
And then they come back at the end to like re establish the
family unit. OK, yeah, so but they were, they
were very healthily balanced, yes, in the story, like they
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were, they were there when they needed to be and weren't when
they didn't, so. Exactly.
And I think that does wonders because it's I mean, here's the
thing, it's it's a movie about Sonic.
Like as much as I like Tom and Maddie, this is not Tom and
Maddie the movie like it. We're here to see Sonic.
And also James Marsden is genuinely such a funny guy.
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Like he's a really great actor. I, I first saw him in the movie
Hop, another movie where he interacted with a ACG animal.
But I think I, I don't, I think that we shouldn't over shadow
him in this movie because he wasreally hilarious.
Like I loved him this movie. Over Shadow.
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No you're right, he was great and honestly mad respect on the
movie for having the balls to almost kill him off.
No, literally. Like I was a little shot.
I was like, no way, no shot. They're gonna I'm.
Glad they didn't, it would have made me too sad.
But you know, good on them for. No, it was a good it was a good
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character moment for shot where like.
He is he. Is so blinded by this rage that
he like on site this guy and then the thing fails and you see
him be like oh, oh, wait a minute, hold on a second.
I wasn't supposed to do that. Wait a minute.
Someone ain't right. And then Sonic shows up and like
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it is a good moment. I That fight was so cool.
They're like that bought. That was baller dude.
They're like final fight. That was crazy.
When, like, Sonic's coming up from Earth and, you know,
they're like, they're shooting missiles on us.
Like, what is it? And he just boom, right through
the space station. I'm like, whoa.
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It was like, it was like the endof No Way Home when Peter
Parker's like about to like killthe Green Goblin and you're
like, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Like he and also there's so much
potential when you do a fight between two CG characters that
there's just no weight because it's like, oh, they're just in
space, like kind of like tussling, right?
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And you're like, I don't, I don't connect to this.
Even when the fight comes down to earth and they're like, he's
like, it was kind of like that scene from Man of Steel where he
punches him and then he catches up and he punches him again.
And they were doing that, but they were jumping across the
globe 'cause they're like both these supersonic hedgehogs.
And like, I just thought that was cool.
I kid you not, like there was a point where, and I think it was
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shadow, like he just reeled backhis first and like decked this
dude in the face and I in the like they did the perfect like
sound effect, like sound work and visual that looks so like it
looked it. I felt it like he just like like
round up and just went bam. And in the theater I went, Oh,
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but they're both like, you know,computer generated hedgehogs
like I was. But I was like, Oh, that hurt.
Yeah, that's how I felt when Sonic did that.
And he, like, yes, reeled back as Supersonic and punched him
into the moon. Yes, I was.
Really. That was crazy.
That was Baller. My first thought was I was like,
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please let him say I'm pissing on the moon.
Please let him say I'm pissing on the moon.
God, I don't ask for much. Please let him say.
Which is so funny that that's what everyone wanted because
it's not even from an actual game.
It's fan dumb, no? No, yeah, my name is Memphis,
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TN. I miss my wife tales.
I miss my wife tales. Yeah, I I really like that
fight, but I also feel like, andI'm sure the Mario movie will
run into this problem with the sequel when you bring out this
ultimate item of like the MasterEmerald or the Superstar.
Like what? What was there to stop Sonic
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from using the the Master Emerald again and going
supersonic like in the last movie?
It was a last resort, like desperation.
I have all the things and now I can, you know, save my family or
whatever, right? This was like.
There wasn't a consequence to using.
It he didn't have to go find it,like no, he literally just
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popped a ring, went and got it from Wade and then left, right
and like that was it. Well, and I didn't like that
because when they when she said she was like, why don't you just
use the Master Emerald? They were like, no.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. We can't destroy the world.
Do that, we're going to die and Knuckles is going to hate me
forever. And then he did it and nothing
happened. And I was like, oh, I, I guess
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the Master Emerald is a social construct, but also like.
And now we don't know where the Master Emerald's at.
Right, But also like he said when they brought that up and
she was like, why don't you justuse this?
He was like, we can't at first Iwas like, oh, this is really
smart because that's going to bethe plot hole that everyone
points out is they're like, well, why can't they just use
the Master Emerald again? And I thought I was like, oh,
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they just said that to explain like This is why we can't do
this just to like avoid the discourse.
But then he did use it and I also like I thought it undercut
the emotional weight just a little bit because his whole
thing was like, oh, I have to make good decisions like I do
getting the Master Emerald is a bad decision.
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And like I, who I am, is based on my decisions.
The Master Emerald is a terribledecision.
And then he did it. And then granted, they switched
more to like the bad decision was letting his anger fester
enough to fight Shadow the way that he did, right?
But they built it up like the Master Emerald.
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Using the Master Emerald was thebad decision.
And then he used it and it endedup being a good decision.
And so it was like it. Became a good decision later on
because he would have. Just freaking died if he went
after Shadow without it. He.
Also can't get the space withoutit right, you know.
But you know, it was like, I don't know, that felt that felt
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a little. Cheap.
I really appreciated the power gap between Sonic and Shadow.
We're like Sonic is in super like super Sonic mode and Shadow
just and knocks all of the emeralds out.
I was like, dude. And then when they like ran up
and grabbed it and they both turned into I was like, I was
like 10 years old. I was just like, yes, this is my
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Infinity War. And that wasn't even like the
full extent of his power. He did 'cause you see him take
the the wrist things off and goes even more powerful.
And I was like, dude, he would have obliterated Sonic like in
his entirety. So I'm I'm not the most well
versed in the Sonic lore so I'm like this may just be me being
stupid but like they didn't haveto grab the emeralds again to go
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supersonic again after their conversation on the moon.
They kind of just like Super Saiyan went and then became that
and. They really said.
Yeah, they really said, all right, here we go.
And then they did it. And now we don't know where the
Master Emerald is at because like Sonic Command, like the the
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emeralds never came out of Sonicwhen he was done.
And I mean, I guess unless. Shadow has it, but also like I
say, like, oh, the emerald endedup being a good decision.
Maybe we're picking up where like we've lost the emerald
again and that's why it was a terrible decision.
Like maybe that's the 4th 1:00 for all we know.
And they're just setting it up and we it just, we don't see the
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full picture because. If you because there's seven of
them, I think. Yeah, 7 emeralds.
So you split those up and now that's kind of like the premise
of the 4th 1 is like, all right,well now we have to go get all
seven of them. I do hope that they don't do the
Super Sonic every movie. I will say in the second one it
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hit a lot harder because becauseit was like people lost their
freaking mind. I remember being in the theater.
I was there on a Wednesday nightand it was like with all the
Sonic fans, they were. Squares.
Yeah, so. But if you do it every movie,
it's like, OK, like. It starts to cheapen it every
movie, so I think you can go thenext one without it and then if
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they do a fifth one, you loop itback to that, yeah.
But do it as like in Sacrifice. Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, I'm, I'm scared because I'm like, OK, we're 3 for three,
but Jim Carrey is out now and we're still going to try to go.
We're still going. I'm a little nervous now, like
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do you think that we're going 4 for 4/5 for five?
I think they could do it. I think Jim Carrey is a very big
like general audience puller. But I think what keeps these
movies good is their ability to be good movies while also being
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a good adaptation of the Sonic lore.
And I know there's a lot of different bosses to pull from in
the Sonic lore. Yeah, so you can pull from that
and have a different villain than just Egg Man.
And perhaps they're going to be like, hey, this worked really
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well. We should get another really
well known comedian to do it. And if they're like, oh, Martin
Short is our next villain and it's like sick, let's do that.
Or they're like, I don't know. I don't know if Will Ferrell
would really work for it. But like there's there's
different people to pull from that could not mimic, but bring
a similar vibe and bring a similar audience than Jim Carrey
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could. I'm just also like he was, he's
the best part. He's my favorite part of all
three of those movies. And so like, removing him from
it will be hard for me. And I just remember being in the
theater for Sonic 2 and he was like, you'll be you'll be lost
on earth without me. You'll never, you'll never make
it here. We don't know how to floss.
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And I was so funny. He just like he makes anything,
anything that should be cringe is funny the way that he
delivers it because in like in this movie, like he's like
beating up his granddad and he'slike blocked report.
He's like, he's like blocked andunsubscribed block report.
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And it was like, that should be cringe.
That should be how do you do fellow kids?
But he he made it so good. And I'm like, if we can't pull
that same energy, then it's going to be cringe and that's
scary. Right, yeah, I'm, I'm interested
to see where it goes. And I, I'm really like trying to
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put it put off the future talk until the very end.
Yeah, because there's a lot of different ways it could go.
Right. So do you think Keanu's here to
stay like I do? I think he's in.
Dude he's such a chill guy. Like he literally does whatever
at this point. He's made his money between John
Wick and the Matrix. Like he's.
Like, OK, I could be a tumbleweed head in the SpongeBob
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movie, right? Voice.
Shadow the Hedgehog, right? How?
Do you feel he did in this movie?
I mean, he was Keanu, you know, he, I really like Keanu Reeves.
John Wick is one of my favorite movies.
He has a very good voice, but also, I mean, like John Wick is
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my favorite role he's in where he does like almost no dialogue
and so like hearing his voice isdifferent.
I think he did good, but he was,I mean, he was Keanu.
Like, you know, he did his standard Keanu things and it
worked well, but it wasn't like,whoa, Keanu Reeves killed in the
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Sonic movie. It was like he was Keanu and
it's not bad, but it wasn't special.
Yeah, I I got really excited at the casting and then I watched a
movie and I think he did a good job, but there was just
something about it that felt different to the other two.
Yeah. And maybe that's because I like
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and it's not even from a Oh well, that's not how Shadow
sounds in the game, because I I don't know.
I don't care but. There were certain points where
I was like, oh, that's Keanu Reeves, right?
Like. Like he and there's a couple
points where you can do that with everyone else.
Be like, oh, that's Ben Schwartz.
Oh, that's just Elba. Like Ben Schwartz is funny, like
he he just he is Sonic at this point.
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And I don't know if it's just like he didn't have like other
movies to kind of like get into that.
But I also like I felt like likeBen Schwartz and eat yourself,
but they were all like, I can imagine them in the booth just
like like spazzing out and just be like, this is Sonic.
And then like I could see him like standing very straight and
just be like, my world was demolished by this and I don't
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know where I'm from. And it's like, that's cool.
I just need like my only direction is more like you're a
colorful bunch. You're a colorful bunch.
I. Love I there were a couple
points like that where he was like very deep and serious.
You're a colorful bunch. When we're done, there will be
nothing left. Nothing left.
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And it's like, all right, what was?
The what was the what was the girl's name?
Maria. They didn't shoot the girl.
No. Dude.
Is this what Maria would have wanted?
I'm so sad, yeah, I'm so sad that they didn't shoot the girl.
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Why? Because that's like an integral
part of The thing is that like gun intentionally killed her,
not that they shot a barrel and it exploded and she's the only
one they were. No, but they were trying to
shoot her was the bigger they were trying to kill all of them.
It's just and then the guy was like stop, what are you doing?
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And that is what caused the explosion.
I didn't. I wasn't bothered by that
because I knew that they were trying.
To kill her. They were trying.
I just I feel like everyone's expectation was they were just
going to have a guy appointed. It's going to be locked 19 at
this girl and shoot her on. And they're like, yeah, they're
villains, like. How is that guys?
I don't think they're going to murder a child on screen on
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screen. However, I can't be disappointed
that they didn't for the. Team.
I don't think you'd say that well.
I just did so we had a good. Run Sonic 4 is confirmed.
Sonic 4 is confirmed. You have anything else you want
to say about this movie before we talk about that?
Not, I mean, not really. I think I think really like Jim
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Carrey for the Oscar. That's all I that's all I got.
Seen that after every Sonic movie and he never.
Yes, and he never gets it. He never gets his flowers.
The only thing he ever wins is the Kids Choice Awards.
That's 'cause the Oscars doesn'tcare about peak cinema.
Sonic 3. I do want to.
Say I did. Like the the continued concept
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of location hopping and not staying in one location because
they went to what, Japan and then presumably back to the US
for that gun base and then to London.
I do think it's really funny when the trailer came out, there
was that shot of all three of them standing there and they
look really sad. And everyone is like, why do
they look so sad? And someone is like, because
they're in London. I would be sad too.
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And then the full context is like, Sonic doesn't know if his
Earth dad is about to die or not.
Like there's like the context ispretty bad and it's like, Nah,
he's in London. He's just in the UKI.
Appreciate Knuckles destroying Big Ben though.
Yeah that was funny. Like he just absolutely
shattered the. And we just never talked about
it again. And it's never brought up again.
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Like nobody? No.
One thought about it. That's crazy, yeah.
What do you think about the future?
First of all, I knew Sonic had two post credit scenes because I
Googled it, but I did the littleGoogle thing where like I
covered the bottom results because I didn't want it to pop
up and be like, oh, Sonic post credits scene is this.
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So I just saw like 2 and I was like, OK, so I just need to sit
through the whole credits and we'll see.
First post credits scene, I was like, OK, Sonic ran all the way
to New York City. Like, OK, I guess you're just
wasting my time for the bit, right?
And then this thing, like, explodes behind him and the red
eyes light up and I'm like, there's no way.
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There's no way. And it's Metal Sonic.
And I'm like, bro, first of all,I have a lot of questions.
What? How, Who, where, When?
Why? Great questions by the way, be
answered. So it also everyone was worried
that if they were ever going to do Metal Sonic, he would end up
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looking alike the Eggman drones that are white and black and
more like futuristic. But the main 1 looks very like
it has the blue and silver like like it looks like it's not just
a white and black like the rest of Eggman stuff.
And there was all of them. And I was like, oh, OK, so
there's a lot of them now. And I thought that was going to
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be the the cliffhanger of like, oh, how's Sonic going to get out
of this? And then you see the hammer go
around and like, kill all of therobots.
And I was like, ain't no shot, no way.
And then there's Amy. And she's here now, which also,
I don't know if you noticed this, it's been pointed out to
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me multiple times, the characterthat will be introduced in the
next movie is the color of Maddie's shirt.
Because in the 1st movie she wore yellow and it was tails.
In the second movie she wore black or red and it was shadow.
And then in this movie she consistently wore pink.
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And then Amy was in the post credits scene.
Someone put that together and I was like, huh, that's
interesting. That had to have been
intentional. They have like, you don't do
that three times accidentally, right?
Like. Interesting.
Come on now. So Sonic the Hedgehog 4 is set
to release in in Spring 2027. Wow, current.
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It's 2 1/2 years from now. So yeah, but do you think, what
do you think they're going to goto five?
Are they stopping at 4? Like are they going till it
stops making money? I heard they're going until it
stops making money which is weird.
I mean if you keep making quality movies like.
That's why I keep making money. I'm I don't, I don't care if if
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you keep making them, but the idea that we're going to keep
going until it's bad is not a good creative philosophy at all.
Here's here's my bigger thing isSonic One, it was just Sonic.
Yeah, right. Sonic Two it was.
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Sonic and Tails. Sonic, Tails and Knuckles.
OK, that's 2. Right.
The movie The number of the movie seems to coincide with how
many new characters they're introducing, right?
In Sonic Three, it was Shadow, Metal, Sonic, and Amy.
That's three. So we're getting 4 new.
So if that trend continues though, right, it I feel like
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what you're going to end up running into is a majority of
your cast will be non human. And at what point do you switch
and do like an animated movie oran animated series?
Because if you're going to have Sonic, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy all
together, right on top of like Metal Sonic and all these other
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characters that could come in, at what point do you just say,
all right, let's do an animated series or an animated movie
every couple years, like, and we'll just switch everyone to
voice and acting and we'll keep going.
Because I don't know, I just feel also at a certain point,
and I felt like this was being teased a little bit with Tom,
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like looking at the drawing of Greenhill Zone that he had on
the wand. He's like, what's that?
And I was like, are they teasinglike we're going back there at
some point? Because it actually boggles my
mind that has been 3 movies and they haven't tried to go back.
Like Sonic hasn't tried to go back and be like, OK, well I
have all my friends now, let's go back.
Even if it's just to visit like.Also think about if you if you
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watch like Sonic X and that kindof thing, they're in space for
most of Sonic X, right? So like you could for sure do
like the final space battle thing because there's so many
more Sonic characters to pull from.
But also like, can you do the final space battle without Egg
Man at that point, right? And so it's like there's a lot
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of direction and it's the kind of thing where it's like they're
3 for three. I love the direction they've
gone so far. But the further you go, the the
less dice you're rolling and like the more you, the, the
bigger the risk you keep going. So I'm really hoping it could be
a flop. It could be a Pirates of the
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Caribbean situation where the first three are solid because
they had a genuine direction andarc to the trilogy.
But I also feel like the way these movies are set up, it's
not like it is. It has a narrative, but it's not
dependent on the narrative because it's not like Pirates of
the Caribbean, where the you. Have you pick up right where he
left off? Right.
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Like the first three had a clearnarrative and then when they
closed that narrative, there wasnothing.
It was lost, left. Where is this movie?
It's. Very open.
Is still very open and I think the post credit scenes have done
a very good job at leaving them open because now it's like OK
well where did Metal Sonic come from?
Where did Amy come from? How did she get here?
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Like why is Shadow still alive? Like you still have all these
questions that you can narratively follow up.
And I mean, Metal Sonic doesn't even have to be Eggman.
But we also don't know the time jump between that post credit
scene and the end of the movie because it seems like 1 Eggman
would have needed that Sonic Quill to do anything with the
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Metal Sonic. And that was the instant theory.
As soon as that scene was in thetrailer, everyone's like, oh,
we're getting Metal Sonic in thenext movie because he needs the
quill to to do the thing. So it's like, OK, well the
insinuation is that he is still alive, right?
Somehow, by some stretch of the imagination, like if Shadow
yoinked him out of there and didthe teleport thing like.
(52:13):
Unless he already started it before, but he was in like his
depression hole before that. But he didn't.
He also didn't have the quill. Like he wouldn't have had the
time right right after the fact,after getting the quill to do
anything, right? So I guess the assumption is
that he's still alive and. Unless they're kind of like
shifting around the lore, but that gets messy too.
(52:37):
I don't know. I really, I really don't think
they should go past five just because it's like, 'cause you
know, John Wick did 4 and it wasgood.
And honestly, they, they maybe could have done three.
I don't, the second one is not my favorite.
But like if you go, if you're like we're making Sonic 6, then
(52:59):
you're like, OK, like you can't do the mission of the movie, the
mission of the day type story 6 times.
It's like Stranger things. Everyone's like, why don't they
just leave? Like what?
Like why do we keep doing like this like mission of the season
type thing before they're it gets a little ridiculous like so
(53:23):
I'm hoping that five can kind oflike wrap it up and it can just
be like these 5 movies are 5 forfive.
They're phenomenal. You should watch all of them.
That's it. And it's not like my
grandchildren go to see Sonic 12like it's the next Fast and
Furious. I also think at a certain point
you have to wrap up the narrative, yes.
(53:46):
And if that narrative is Sonic gets called to this bigger like
Avengers level type thing, rightwhere you can not necessarily a
crossover with like Nintendo or anything, but a way to wrap up
his story on Earth and move him on to a bigger thing.
(54:08):
Because then what you can do is you are ending the story arc of
his Earth saga, right, With these 5 movies.
Or I guess let's for now, let's say 4, 'cause we don't know.
We're getting a fifth one. That's just the assumption.
So let's say movie 4, Amy comes in and is like, hey, there's
this really big threat like out here that is starting to seep
(54:30):
down here. So we got to go out and do that.
And that's where you wrap up that arc, and then you free the
Sonic characters from the live action movie lore and you can
still take that voice cast and go do a really good animated
show. Yeah.
But you don't have like, and then you can go out and do all
(54:51):
of these big, like, let's go to the Sonic worlds, let's go get
out there and expand to that universe 'cause there's so much
lore out there. There's a lot like so and
honestly the story of Sonic is told better thematically than in
the game. Like they tell the story better
with movies and shows than rightthe actual game.
(55:13):
So at a certain point, I I do want them to break away from the
live action mold, which is hard because these are some of the
most successful live action video game adaptations ever
done. And they're good.
And they're like, actually good.Can you imagine what would what
how a different world we would be living in if Ugly Sonic hit
(55:34):
theaters? We wouldn't have to we.
Wouldn't be here? We wouldn't be at 2:00 and 3:00.
No for. Sure, we wouldn't like that's
not gonna be talking about four happens.
No. So it's it's definitely
something we'll see where it goes.
I guess we'll be back here Spring. 27 We still have the
podcast by then. I love this tradition.
(55:55):
I love that we like, we talk about the Sonic movies like
they're like cinematic masterpieces 'cause they are
like we're giving them the flowers they deserve.
What? How many episodes do we average
every year? Oh my gosh. 26 Oh no did.
You bump your HDMI or something you got so like.
I think I did Oopsies. That's OK.
(56:16):
Oh, give me a second. There you go.
There we go. I don't know what I did.
I think I'm bumping my Cam like and it like freaked out.
Anyway, how many how many episodes do we average a year?
26? Would you say like 20 something?
Yeah. We did 30 this year technically,
but we had a bunch of extras putin there. 26, we'll say like 25.
(56:37):
Time yeah, let's do let's do 25 easy math spring 2027 is 2 1/2
years away yeah so I mean we. You will be We'll be marrying
episode 300. No, we're nearing 200 cause 2
years is about 50 episodes give or take.
(56:59):
Yeah, you're right, 192. Yeah.
So Sonic Sonic 4 could be episode 200 if we play our cards
right. So I think we just need to keep
an eye on that over the next twoyears.
Let's. Really like.
We'll see. Really game the system and like,
see where we're going. We do that sometimes.
(57:19):
You know, just to make sure it'slike extra special.
Right, right, right. So there you go.
Well, do you have anything else to add or I think that was a
pretty in depth review. All I can say is konichi what?
That felt weird. I don't.
I don't like. I thought it was funny.
I thought it was funny. You need to let it go.
(57:39):
He's a kid. I'm a straight white.
Man, but I'm also like, was thata he's?
Quippy. He's supposed to be stupid.
This is the same Sonic that likeflipped a truck over on the
Interstate and got out and started flossing.
No, you're right. He is like a kid.
You're right. He's Sonic gets a pass for being
(58:01):
culturally insensitive because he's don't worry, he's an alien.
It's fine. I will say one thing I want to
mention one they played live andlearn, which is like big game
from or big game big song from the Sonic games.
I think it's the main theme of Sonic Adventure 2, which is
loosely what this movie is basedon because it's all about
(58:23):
Shadow. So that was big.
That was a really big complaint a lot of people had is that they
weren't using music from the games, which is something
ironically enough, we didn't have an issue with in the Mario
movie is they really just used abunch of music from the games
and made it interesting for that.
But they did seem to use a lot more of that in this movie, and
(58:44):
I did really love. I'm a sucker for the enemies to
rival stroke, where it's like they're not friends, but they're
not enemies and they're not frenemies.
They're just rivals. Like they're just.
In this friendly competition with each other for the rest of
time like Sonic and Shadow Goku and Vegeta like that kind of
(59:05):
Deku and that respect each otherit's it's.
Good. There's a respect.
I like that. So I agree.
That's my closing thought. There you go, Sonic 3.
Don't let the haters tell you that it's bad, because it's
really good. If you have an ounce of whimsy,
you will like Sonic 3. Oh, what did you give it on
letterbox? I gave four stars.
(59:26):
Yeah, me too. And it.
I gave four stars and it broke my top five.
I put it above. I forgot that.
What it? Needed to do that.
I put it right under Deadpool but above piece by piece.
Let me find it on mine. So my top five is the fall guy,
(59:47):
the wild robot, Wicked, Deadpool, Sonic 3.
So mine is my hero #1 Spy family, Bunny girl, senpai,
Transformers 1 and Sonic 3. There you go.
It broke my top five. It was not in a year that we
have dubbed a bad year for movies.
Sonic could not get any higher than 5 right.
(01:00:10):
Just crazy, but you know. Well, guys, I think it's time to
wrap it up. Thank you so much for listening
to our final episode of the year.
Wow. Big year back.
I'm going to find it. Keep talking.
Yeah, see what's on the see whenwe come back.
We'll see you next year. And we thank you so much for
listening this year and today. If you like this kind of
(01:00:30):
content, make sure you what? Why was that funny?
First day back is January 6th. Sorry.
Only funny to American audiences.
Sorry how January 6th like used to be this normal day and now
anytime someone says it it's like.
January 6th, so we'll be back onJanuary 6th.
Nobody clipped that. We'll be back.
(01:00:53):
On No, it means we've exoneratedourselves of any potential
crimes because we'll have been here recording.
Right. So it's fun.
We'll be back on January 6th it all if all goes well and we'll
be doing what we're hyped for in2025.
That's how we open every year and it's always such a good
episode. And we've got a lot to say a
lot, a lot of plans for the podcast for 25 that we're very
(01:01:16):
excited about and we cannot waitto keep going.
But we hope that you have a Merry Christmas, a wonderful New
Year's, and everyone don't worryabout your resolutions.
You're just going to disappoint yourself.
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