November 13, 2025 • 58 mins
In this episode of the New Ashla Podcast, hosts Michael and Justin explore the concept of synchronicity, discussing its significance in personal growth and spirituality. They share personal experiences and insights on how synchronicity manifests in life, the role of the unconscious mind, and the importance of authenticity and alignment. The conversation delves into the distinction between synchronicity and fantasy, emphasizing the need for stillness and reflection to recognize the signs from the universe. The hosts encourage listeners to embrace the journey of self-discovery and to trust in the unfolding of life.
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Takeaways
Synchronicity is not random; it's a sign of alignment.
Personal experiences can validate the concept of synchronicity.
The unconscious mind plays a significant role in recognizing synchronicity.
Synchronicity can serve as guidance in our lives.
Deja vu can be considered a form of synchronicity.
Patterns in life often reflect our internal state.
Control can hinder our ability to recognize synchronicity.
Authenticity and alignment enhance our experience of synchronicity.
Hope is different from faith; faith is knowing things will work out.
The journey of growth includes both challenges and moments of peace.
Keywords
synchronicity, spiritual guidance, intuition, signs, meaning, personal growth, self-awareness, psychology, mindset, awakening, inner guidance, life path, transformation, alignment, manifestation, patterns
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Have you ever noticed how the right person, the right message,
or the right opportunity shows up exactly when you're on the
edge of change? Most people call that
coincidence, but it's not random.
It's your inner world and your outer world aligning for a
moment. And what do you do in that
moment matters because synchronicity isn't meant to
entertain you. It's meant to wake you up.
My name is Michael Perry, and I'm joined today by Justin
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Gates. This is the new Ash the podcast.
Hello, and welcome to the new Ashley Podcast.
Today we're diving into synchronicity.
This is one of those things you hear a lot about, but what does
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synchronicity actually mean? Well, there are no coincidences.
There are no coincidences. I'll say that.
I've had lots of evidence of notof things not being in
coincidence, with things being perfectly timed.
That's what synchronicity is really very two or three word
definition, perfectly timed perfect.
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Timed, when you're working in law enforcement, I'm sure you
saw many moments where is the right call at the right time,
the right circumstance to appearto alert the authorities or
something potentially dangerous happened.
Like I think about that a lot. Or to keep me alive.
Give me times I've been kept alive.
Keep you alive. By things that I can't even
describe to you, like I don't even know.
It's it's synchronicity is something deeply woven into our
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path. And because it's woven into the
universe and we seek to connect and align and resonate with the
universe, right? It's those moments where life
whispers back to us or the the right person calls just as we
think of them, right? Or a phrase in a book echoes the
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thoughts we had before we read the page.
Yeah, you hear something on the radio.
Yeah, a song. Oh God, so.
So we, we had a really great weekend together, the four of
us, and we went to the Hot Springs and it was, I needed
that so badly. You know, we talked about, we've
talked about self-care a lot andhow it's not, not always a spa
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day or whatever. But this time it was, it was
really, really necessary, I think for all of us.
Completely agreed. But you know, on the way home, a
song played on the radio, and it's a song I hadn't heard in
years. I'm talking like since you
remember the movie Over the Top.No.
OK, so there was this really, I apologize if there's any fans of
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of Sly Stallone out there. He had this, he did this movie
called Over the Top where he waslike this arm wrestling champion
or something. It was the dumbest movie.
It was dumb. It was dumb.
They had the greatest soundtracks back then, man, all
the movies, best soundtracks because they always would get
like, you know, these really popular artists to do the
soundtracks and bands and, and artists would write songs for
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the movie and stuff. There's a song from that movie
called Meet Me halfway. You got to look it up and it
just came on, you know, so, so we fought the the Internet
haters because there was no Internet up there at all.
So we couldn't barely play Spotify couldn't do.
We just had to like, sit with it, right?
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And. You know.
And that's true. Even going out of town, I had to
go like, I don't know, maybe maybe 20 minutes out of town
before I could start picking up a signal on the phone and play
Spotify. And I like I like to play my
Spotify this episode not sponsored by Spotify, but
Spotify if you're listening, hey, but Spotify, I like to run
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it on the the smart shuffle so that it will play songs, it'll
throw new songs in there on my list, on top of my list, right.
So you know, I'm listening to spot.
So Spotify offline it it'll playthe songs that are downloaded on
your phone. But I must have hit like a sweet
spot. I was thinking in my head.
I was like, you know, I, I was Heather and I were talking about
how when you get to a point of detachment from, from trauma
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from the people that hurt us. And when you go through that,
you go through that stage where you, you, you sit with it.
And her and I were talking about, you know, as a kid, I was
really good at sitting with things until, until I was
through them, right? So, and that just followed me to
even to now. But we were talking about people
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that in my life that that did medirty.
Like my ex-wife, for example, myfirst wife, she did me of super
dirty, right? And I was, and when Heather and
I were talking about, I was like, you know what, I can't
even remember them that much anymore because I've gotten so
over it that it's not it's not that I and I think Courtney
talked about this where, where, you know, she was saying her
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husband and her will have a little scuffle and and he'll say
like, do you remember this? And she's like, I'm sorry, I
don't remember that because I got over it.
But then I was thinking about about, about, you know, I was
trying to try to pull up some feeling about it.
And and then this song just kindof moved into the shuffle and my
heart was just like glowing, man.
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It just like, but it was like the perfect timing because it
was like right when we got to this, this part of the
conversation where, you know, I was talking to her and I was
saying, listen, you know, the more you do this work, the
easier it gets. Unfortunately, though, you'll
start forgetting things. You'll start literally
forgetting out of sight, out of mind.
Once it stops hurting you, it'llbe gone, right?
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And I don't know if that's always a good thing.
I would like to remember some things.
I do remember mostly good things.
But like, you know, the hurt, the pain and stuff, I don't
remember it. I can't even, I can't even bring
it up to feel it. Does that make sense?
Right? No, it does.
I'm it does. So the song comes on it.
This song came on at the literally at the perfect time
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when when I didn't even think I had Internet, but Internet hit.
This song moved into the shuffleright around that same point of
the conversation. I was just like, oh, this feels
so good because it's like, you know, I love music and it sings.
It sings to me, you know, especially when it resonates
real bad. So.
Or real good, But yeah. When I'll say synchronicity, for
me, it's always been something that's let me know I'm on the
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right path, whether that's seeing 1111 or it's like you
said, a song coming on right at the perfect moment in the middle
of my thoughts. Like yeah, I do got this.
Yes, yeah, but but, but I do want to say we balance all
things here. We try to, we try to as flawed
humans as as best we can. I want to let people understand
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from from, from the point of view of our of our path.
This this isn't about assigning meaning to everything, right?
Not every random thing is a signand that's where people get lost
was I know we're going to get into that because the notes you
gave me chef's kiss, because later on the show we're going to
talk about that reality versus fantasy.
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But I kind of want to give people the understanding that
not everything is a sign, right?Because once when everything
starts becoming a sign in our mind, then we start chasing
everything and we've and we misseverything that's in front of
us. So synchronicity is about
awareness and as you said it, but you said in in the opening,
it's recognizing when that innerand outer worlds harmonize and
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when it, when it truly happens, you know it.
You know it because that moment feels different.
Sometimes it feels clearer or quieter, but for me things start
feeling more true, if that makessense.
When I'll say even like in some of my instances when I was going
through synchronicity a lot is when I was going through my
really dark period and I was assigning meaning to the
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synchronicity. But the synchronicity may have
been telling me I was on the right track, but what I had for
my desired outcome was not what the synchronicity was leading me
towards. That track was to propel me
forward to take off on this landing strip.
But I thought I was going to thefarm down the road and instead I
wound up in the stars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And, and you know, you and I, you and I were talking night
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before last. Yeah, Saturday night we were
talking, we were sitting around and just having a really, really
great conversation about what's going on in our lives and, and
the, the direction of, of not just the show, but all the stuff
that we're, that we're building.And you know, it's like we, we
have to, we have to make sure welock in, you know, where, where
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these are the things that we cancontrol and we just have to be
patient. You know, patience, I know I
preach patience a lot, but patience isn't the strongest
thing about me sometimes. If, you know, we have all these,
we have all these signs and, andthings that happened to us.
But one thing we, one thing, we do it on this show.
And I don't know if we started out doing it on purpose, but we
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have gotten really good at it. And that's kind of this, this
psycho spirituality, right? So synchronicity is synonymous
with spirituality almost exclusively everywhere you go.
Where is where, where is the psychology come in for
synchronicity? Because I'm, I'm, I'm really
curious because I don't think a lot of people talk about
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synchronicity in that in that light.
Yeah. No, I mean, I'll be honest, I've
never heard it that way, but I've always perceived it this
way. I mean, we talk often about the
unconscious mind is always searching.
It is 95% of our thoughts. It is the thing that drives more
meaning than anything we think of.
And it's the unconscious mind that is seeking affirmation to
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its own way. Sometimes it's for guidance,
sometimes it's for validation, sometimes it's for
understanding. But when these things pop up in
our lives, our minds will latch onto it in A and assign it
meeting. Now, the big difference here
between synchronicity and it being forced is it something
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that's more like clarity? It feels natural.
There's this abundance that wells up in you.
It's not confusion. It's not this dominating, OK,
this has to be right. It is something that just is,
and it feels right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This, this, this is not magic. This is communion with the flow,
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communion with the, with the universe, with God, with
creation, right? And so as I always like to do, I
always like to pick an axiom that I find that that matches
with what we're going to talk about today.
And if you'll allow me, I'd liketo share that real quick before.
So the axiom that that I chose for this episode was approach
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understanding with light and darkness will never gain
purchase. So, and as we get into this
later, we're going to talk aboutgetting lost in the woods, that
confusion versus clarity. But what this axiom teaches us
is that when we approach life with openness and clarity,
alignment and resonance, what once seemed chaotic begins to
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reveal a pattern. Think of like Neo seeing the the
ones and zeros, right? So you start to see a pattern in
all things, if you let it, synchronicity isn't the universe
randomly just throwing, throwingdarts at a, at a map, right?
Because the universe does what the universe does.
It's done it for billions of years.
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It's us finally slowing down andbeing quiet and quiet enough to
to hear and see things, right. This, this is awareness itself.
It, it illuminates what the unconscious parts of us not so
much hid from us, but failed to communicate with us.
And and we're, we're the broken link in that communication
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because we don't often enough bequiet enough or still enough to
see it. So when we overthink, we
overanalyze, we start to cast shadows across our own
perception and perspective. Is everything right?
It's like everything, because that is your reality.
And we see coincidence where there's meaning, or meaning
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where there's coincidence. But when we approach it with
truth, with light, with clarity,with humility, with curiosity,
but also that kind of calm discernment, the difference
becomes clear. Night and day.
Synchronicity is that dialogue between the conscious and the
unconscious, us mortals and those immortal things, those the
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stars and the land, the whatever, whatever, right, So
between between these realms that we can experience and the
realms that we haven't yet explored.
Yeah, well, you broke it down sowell.
I mean, I will say I have read several psychology books even
that the end chapters are aroundsynchronicity.
And it's exactly that it is as you start to heal these wounds,
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if you begin to slow down, you start to see it.
Your path will illuminate itself.
Now, one of my favorite quotes of all time is luck, as when
preparation meets opportunity. And often when we're scurrying
through life, we're avoiding, we're avoiding the truth.
We're avoiding meeting ourselveswhere we're at.
We get lost in the we get in theshuffle and forget to find the
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meaning in the moment. And as we slow down, we begin to
absorb so much more what's goingaround around us.
And synchronicity has a way of almost acting as guideposts on a
map. Right.
You know, you get that itch. I, I feel like I need to pursue
this job. And if you're willing to trust
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the universe, trust that intuitions little ping and
follow it. Go talk to a few people about
it. You're going to find someone
who's going to be like, hey, I'minto this line of work.
Let's get you involved in it. I mean, that's, that's a really
random example, but you know, your own intuition pings when
you follow those, when you put yourself out there, you take
action. The universe meets you halfway,
and that is synchronicity. Yeah, by the way, happy birthday
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to Michael. We didn't wish you happy
birthday on your birthday when we were recording.
Happy birthday to Heather, whosebirthday was on Friday,
Michael's was on Thursday. Happy birthday to you, which is
tomorrow. Mine's tomorrow, but so almost
all of the ethos tie into this topic too obviously truth,
right, Because all without with truth, it reflects reality as it
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is, not as we wish it. And in these moments of
synchronicity, the like you said, the illusion starts to
fade and you start at least control right?
And you start to see your path illuminated, just like you said,
those Rd. markers by something even greater than our limited
and sometimes flawed logic. Things happen around us without
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our permission, without our involvement or interference.
And we have to start tying into that connection.
Obviously, as I said before, we seek to connect with, with all,
all things in creation. So and faith and patience and
responsibility fit in here too, some of our agreements.
So I have something for you to think about while we're doing
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the show, Michael. OK.
And you better too, if you want to play along.
What if every moment of alignment, those every perfect
timing was a reflection of your readiness to listen, right?
What might be, what might the universe be trying to mirror
back to you right now? So put that in the put that
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maybe right here, not in the front row, but kind of in the
middle where you can see the screen better.
That's where I like to sit. What's the man like?
That takes me back to the relationship episode we did
about about toxic relationships.And when it comes down to it,
there's usually two parts to every toxic relationship.
And what relationships are meantto do is it's supposed to show
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us the unhealed parts of ourselves.
And it's it's those moments thatwe should be thankful.
I mean, we end up blaming our partners.
We end up looking at all the flaws in them and how they ruin
the relationship. But if we just stop and look at
the unhealed parts of us that never was able to meet that
person. Right.
Like, that's just one small example, the workplace where
we're stuck in the the shuffle all the time when we're having
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that call to leave, What, what is that reflecting back to us
that we need to expand, that we need to go outside of our
comfort zone? Yeah.
Why? I mean, why wait till the end of
your life? Most places, most, most ideas,
most beliefs center around some kind of life review.
Why wait till then to see everything?
Why not just pay attention now, right?
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Why wait for heaven when you canhave heaven now through
connection, through discernment,through paying attention,
slowing down. Heather had a question for you
about Deja vu. She said this reminds her of
Deja vu. What was the question around
Deja vu? What?
No, I asked if it would kind of be the same as deja vu, like
synchronicity. You're talking about seeing the
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same thing, like certain things come to you or whatever, you
know? Like no, I do think Deja vu does
can very much be a form of synchronicity.
It's that constant message, thatconstant thing you're
overlooking being re stimulated in your mind to pay attention
to. Exactly.
It's showing you constantly like, oh, we've been in this
position before, what the heck are you doing?
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Move forward. Yeah.
You know. Right.
Because I mean, I'm, I'm really skeptical of anyone who says
they can perfectly see the future because we believe the
future is always in motion. You may be seeing potential
outcomes, but unless you're Doctor Strange doing the
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14,000,100 and whatever, right? No, that's a really good point.
I never, I never never actually had to consider Deja Vu being a
sync, a synchronicity. Very, very well could be.
That's very insightful. Well.
Yeah, 'cause like there's certain things you're like, wait
a minute, Why does it feel so familiar?
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Yeah. Have I been here before?
Did this happen? Right, we all have them and.
Then all of a sudden it's like, oh crap.
But but if you see a black cat twice, that's just a glitch in
the matrix, don't you know? Don't do the unless you own one?
No, because then they're just running back and forth.
So So what? What actually is synchronicity?
I mean, at the end of the day, it's not superstition, right?
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Now synchronicity is the unconscious and the spirit
communicating through patterns, timing, symbolic events.
You know the psyche doesn't speak in sentences, it speaks in
associations, repetition and felt meaning.
That's why our dreams are so awesome sometimes, yeah.
When often it's like, what is your what are your dreams trying
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to either tell you or purge fromyou?
You know a. Lot of.
Synchronicity. We talk about how these patterns
are reoccurring, how things constantly happen.
Often there is a pattern within our lives that is calling forth
the same events. You know, it's like if you're
you date the same kind of personover and over again.
It's not luck that you're the common denominator is you.
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Is you. You know, you're winding up in
jobs you cannot stand. What about these jobs is
attracting you to it to keep youin this cycle?
Are you chasing money? Are you chasing opportunity?
I mean, it's there are patterns within all things we do.
That is what we are. We are pattern craving beings
whether we like it or not. Yeah.
Right. And we are at our best when we
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can see the pattern. Most of us don't.
Not, not a lot. I mean, we do accidentally
sometimes, but most of us are stuck in in the very patterns
we're trying to identify. And that's why we always say
pause, take a breath, close youreyes for a minute, and then
start to look around you. Not judgy, but discerning.
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And you, you explained it beautifully.
So where the psyche and the cosmos collaborate, Yeah, it
brings awareness into form. And it'll match your internal
state. What did old Carl call this?
What did? What did old Carl call
synchronicity? Do you know?
Remember. No.
What did he call it? Meaningful, meaningful
coincidence. That's what he called it.
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He called it meaningful coincidence, which is a, which
is a nice way to say it. And basically what he was saying
was when an Interstate aligns perfectly with an external
event, and that creates that moment that feels charged with
significance because the psyche doesn't speak in sentences, as
you said, it speaks in patterns and symbols and timing, which is
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why we love symbols. I love symbols.
Look at you can't look around the whole room, but there are
symbols all over the place here,right?
Many of them pop culture symbols, some of them esoteric
symbols, some of them are just symbols that mean something to
me. But we love symbols and we love
patterns, as you said. So this is really, it's the way
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our inner world sends the signals throughout the outer
world saying pay attention. I'm showing you this.
Pay attention. Much like our dreams pay
attention. Pay attention.
No, you're not really riding a dinosaur.
There's something, there's something else here you got to
pay attention to, although that would be really fun.
That would be really fun. You could tame it.
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You got this. But in all honesty here, I mean
it does. Your internal state will reflect
messages to you. You will.
You're in a bad situation. You'll constantly get these
little signs that are telling you it is time to go, and it's
up to you if you're going to heed the messages or you're
going to let them pile up. It's kind of like the check
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engine light in a car, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, hey, yeah, it's but these are tougher to spot.
Like when something makes me angry, when something triggers
me to anger, that's easy to spot.
That's loud and clear, bro, I'llhear you.
Whatever that was. Not a fan, Right.
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But these, these synchronicitiesare a little tougher to
identify. Lucky for us, they keep coming
back over and over again until we, you know, they flick us in
the third eye enough times wherewe go, OK, OK, fine, mine, I get
it right. It's just the way it's.
Just the way that our psyche tends to and our mind tends to
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knit together the things we can see and experience and the
things that are yet to be explored.
I don't like that word unseen. I just think it's like we just
haven't explored that yet. Well, I think often about a
lesson you taught me early on, which was just so much the
truth. And it's like the universe will
come originally and come knock on your door and let you know
you shouldn't be doing that. You don't listen to it, then
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it's going to come banging on the door.
And if you don't listen, then it's going to kick the door
down. And if you can't listen at that
point, it's going to send a tornado your way and blow your
house down. Right.
Like, yeah, yeah, no, it's true.And the only reason I was able
to teach that to you is because it's happened to me many, many
times. You caught me in the middle of
that. I'll tell you what I was like,
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all right? I'm done with this kicking my
door and I don't want the house to blow away.
Nope, stay in Kansas, Dorothy, don't, don't go outside.
But, but, but you know, at the end of the day, synchronicity,
if you want to use, if you want to say there are coincidences,
well, then those are definitely different from synchronicities
because synchronicity will clarify, it will not confuse.
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It's once you recognize it, you will be able to align deeper and
resonate deeper and not lose yourself if something happens
and you think it's a sign, but you're just twice as confused
and now you're chasing things. I don't think that's really a
synchronicity or at least you'renot ready to hear it.
You're not ready to see it because when it happens and it's
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true, it's clear, clear as day, you know, like a bell ringing
goes off. So.
I think that ties right into synchronicity and alignment, you
know? It's not a cookie.
You didn't. You don't.
You don't get a reward for good behavior.
That's what I think is right. It doesn't matter what you're
doing. Synchronicities happen to all of
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us. It is again that natural outcome
of internal harmony. When your words, and this is
where integrity comes into, whenyour words, choices, and beliefs
align and resonate with all the things around you, the static in
your energy field quiets down. The world stops reflecting
confusion and you'll start having more coherence with
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things and people. You'll magnetize opportunity to
you. I mean, that's one of the
greatest things I realized is once you start going from
synchronicity trying to teach you lessons.
I mean, not that it always isn'ttrying to teach you lessons, but
it goes from being that hard father to being that gentle
mother like energy where it's just constantly trying to help
you become more and become greater and just present
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opportunities. I mean, I can't believe how much
the more I got in alignment, themore opportunities all around me
opened up, the people I met, theresources I had, the
effectiveness I've been able to have in life.
All these things lined up perfectly for me to be a for all
this to happen. Yeah, yeah.
And it brought some pretty good people in our lives, didn't it?
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Yeah. It really did.
But you must be authentic here. Yeah, these synchronicities will
increase, and it's probably not that they're increasing.
It's just that you're living more authentically and you'll
start to see more clearly, right?
Yeah. You got to stop lying to
yourself. You got to stop betraying your
intuition. You got to stop saying yes when
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every other part of you screams no.
And I think a big one, and I seethis in a lot of places, you got
to be aligned with your values, know what your values are, and
know what your values aren't. We're not perfect, but we got to
be able to have a moral internalcode that we follow to a tee
because whenever we drift from that, we begin to persecute
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ourselves. But when we are in alignment
with that, it helps us become more energetically aware.
And again, that magnetism. And there are some indicators
for you to take note of as you're going through this
process, are there not? There's at least three or four
that I could think of. What about less less internal
resistance? When I think this is one of the
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key ways to know whether you're beat, you're chasing signs, or
you're aligned with it, does it fill you up?
Does it light you up? And not in the sense of hope,
but in the sense of knowing, because often that resistance we
might have just gets in our way from perceiving the messages.
Again, I I had it when I was in that rough relationship for
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seven years. The universe kept speaking to me
and I just kept being Nope, Nope.
Blinders up. Blinders up, Yeah.
So I'm trying to think who I'm trying to think when something
like this hope is like kindergarten faith.
And I think it was. It really, it reminds me.
That phrase reminds me of some of the fellows we were talking
about, some of the old schoolersthat we were talking about the
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other night, people that really laid the groundwork for this
kind of, yeah, new age faith. And and that doesn't mean that
hope is for children. That just means that, like you
just said, as you align more andmore, hope becomes knowing,
right? Hope becomes knowing and things
stop feeling less like a battle between should and want, and
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that eternal resistance fades and you're no longer divided
against yourself. This is where you start to find
true integrity and you stop overanalyzing every single thing and
you start to begin, you start totrust that intuitive rhythm
because you're starting to plug in because you're being
authentic and you're not paying attention to the things to the
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million and one things that are trying to stop you.
You're focusing on on, on the stuff that you have control
over. You know, the, the anxiety drops
from these things because especially if you're someone
who's a second guesser, we all know a lot of second guessers.
We, we all maybe those ourselves, but that stuff starts
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to soften too. And you start to find confidence
now, like in all things, challenges still come around.
We never shake those. There's no philosophy on Earth.
There's nothing I could ever teach you.
There's nothing you can read a book that makes the challenges
of life go away. They just don't.
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But they'll start feeling less like a punishment.
These things will start to feel more like teachers and like they
have purpose, and you will startto move, not so much wrestle
with them, but you'll start to dance with them and integrate
them. So in this, in this indicator,
resistance often signals that disconnection between your
conscious goals and your unconscious truth.
And when and when you align and resonate, the energy flows
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freely again in your choices, and your whole being will start
to move in the same direction asone, even your shadows.
You'll start to move as a whole being.
Well, I think one of the best things to keep in mind when
you're understanding synchronicity, when you're going
through synchronicity, don't seek control.
Don't seek understanding something greater than what is
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in front of you. Follow the wind.
Allow it to carry you to each step.
Allow it to create what it is it's trying to help you unfold
before you. It doesn't mean take action.
It doesn't mean make to. Don't make decisions in that
moment, but don't rigidly hold on to them.
Allow the universe to help you create this abstract painting
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because you could be trying to draw a little house and you're
winding up with a whole estate. You know, we can never have a
greater imagination than the universe.
This is what we mean by This is why.
This is what. This is what people mean when
they say the will of God or the will of the force or being
guided by something greater thanyourself.
This is what they're talking about.
Because once you once you start to feel like you're like the
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currents are carrying you and nothing's perfect.
This won't be perfect either. But because now you trust in the
unfolding and that need to forceand chase and over plan, that
stuff starts to fall away. You stop.
You stop doing that more and more and it really starts to
feel like a partnership, right? It starts to feel like you're a
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part of this instead of just performing or the outcast or or
isolated or whatever. This is where true connection,
that powerful connection takes place.
This is where heaven starts to unfold that connection.
And like you said, you'll start noticing these, these
opportunities that just start, start lining up right at the
perfect time, right? People who show up that share
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your your vision or share your challenges Even so.
What I think an important note too with this is this is a
lesson you taught me many years ago, and it's what is the
difference between hope and faith?
Hope is praying that things workout.
Faith is knowing they will. And when you can have the faith
to let it unfold before you, it helps you free up so much energy
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of worrying what's going to happen.
Is this the right move? It is just allowing yourself to
go with it. Yeah, yeah.
It simply says follow me, followme, follow me.
There's a really famous guy thatused to say though, yeah, they
killed him for it, but. Yeah.
He's pretty popular. I know who you're talking about.
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Yeah, I they all know who I'm talking about too.
But you know, the feet feeling feel like you're part of it,
feeling like you're being guidedin a partnership.
Not, not like something's pushing you, but you're in this,
you know, you're in a cradle going downstream.
It's peaceful, right? It's, it's, it's connected.
This really means that you've, you've kind of released the
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egos, demand for certainty and for control.
And you've, you've allowed yourself to be open to this,
this orchestration that's happening whether you wanted to
or not. It is.
And life starts to unfold through you, Michael.
Not just around you, but throughyou things.
Just start happening. Well, it's like the four stages
of consciousness, right? The four stages of
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consciousness, life is happeningto me.
Stage one, that is where most people operate.
It is the constant life is happening to me and I have no
control over it. Then it goes into stage 2, which
is life is happening for me then.
Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.
So. So, you know, we, we teach a
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path that ends up becoming a path of no mind, a path of no
effort as it, it becomes the effortless path, right?
You'll know that you're in alignment, in residence when
this stuff starts becoming normal and ordinary.
And you know, throughout the years, I've had people really
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doubt that I was a Mystic because I don't, because I'm
just so nonchalant about this stuff, right?
Well, because it's become so normal for me.
This is why I don't like the word supernatural.
We talked about this the other night.
I don't like the word supernatural because all of this
is natural. None of us are creating this.
It is natural. These are natural things about
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the universe that we live in. Just most of us don't want to
see it, right? So the more aligned you are, the
more you resonate, the more these things like synchronicity
stops feeling special or mystical and starts feeling
natural because you start to nowyou've gone from from the point
where you know, this happens to expecting that the universe
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response because it always, always does.
You stop asking for signs because you are actually living
as one, right? Yeah.
So these numbers and symbols andyou know, the 11 elevens, you
know, we all see them. I see them all the time.
I was born on 11/11. I've seen that everywhere,
right? That's crazy, man.
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I'll tell you what, when I realized that, I was like, holy
crap, he's walking synchronicity.
You know, and that, and that's what we try to become is, is
where this stuff becomes so normal that we start to become
the thing, right? We start to become the signs
for, for for ourselves and others.
And again, these numbers and symbols or these moments of
perfect timing, they just don't surprise me anymore.
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I just kind of chuckle and go, Yep, no, don't surprise me
anymore. The miraculous becomes normal
because you are attuned beyond trying to chase the meaning of
things. Or trying to make your own
meaning. I mean, it's not bad to create
definition, but the more abstract you can let life be,
the more you can just absorb so much more out of the world, so
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much more opportunity and possibility.
It's insane. This is where this is where the
proof lies that abundance is yours truly truly, right?
Heather and I have a friend thatwe've known for a long time and
I call him the wish it want it, do it guy because he would wish
it want it. He would start to do it, but
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when he couldn't force an outcome or get the outcome that
he demanded, then he fell off every time.
That was I just I just posted a short from the show I did with
Brenda, Brenda Martinez and it'scalled the secret of the secret
and the secret of the secret. Let's see if you can guess this.
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Heather, do you know what the secret of the secret is?
close, close enough. Faith it is letting it work,
letting me cook, letting it go, wish it, want it, do the things
that you are supposed to do on your side of things and just let
it go, right? We talked about this many years
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ago before you became my studentbecause we'd always have these
these conversations over at the old come and go.
And that was one of the things Itold you was like, because you
were really, I mean, you were, you had books stacked this deep
that you have read. And we talked about these
things. And law of attraction was
something you were really into back then.
And we were talking then. I I remember saying to you one
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time, OK, yeah, no, you, you, you, you are on track.
Except you forgot to let it go. And Brenda and I were talking
about that and she said, well, that's the secret of the secret.
And it's true. It is.
It is letting it go. Letting it go because, well, you
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don't get to be in charge of allof it.
We couldn't possibly, and I've said this before, we couldn't
possibly be in charge of moving all the things around that need
to be moved because we don't even know all the players on the
on the board, right? Sometimes we got to do our part
and let the things move around and be patient and it will come.
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Well, that's really where the magic happens.
Again, it ties into that patience.
But it's it's like baking a cake.
You put it all together, you throw it in the oven.
In the oven. We'll know when it's done.
Yeah, but you have to trust thatit is baking in there.
You can't keep pulling it out and checking on it.
It's that derived action and divine timing.
Right. Yeah, divine timing, which is
which, Thank God it's out of ourhands because then it becomes
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perfect timing. But you know, now we're getting
to the good stuff though, because this is what this is
where we a lot of us get trippedup, especially, especially with
these kind of topics. Because if you're anything like
me, you wanted to just RIP through it, man.
Oh, this is awesome. And I would just go crazy, but
I'd get tripped up, right? Because then I would start
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losing that blurring, that line between what is a sign, what is
synchronistic and what is fantasy, what I am making up.
So I think there is a lot when it comes to distinguishing
synchronicity from fantasy because I think all of us want
that fantasy of everything telling us that this choice is
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right or that this is the path we need to take.
But not every coincidence is meaning synchronicity.
Again, we it goes back to that whole the feeling you get
inside. Is it grounded and calm or does
it feel urgent or emotional? Is it something where you're
trying to prescribe meaning to it?
Are you following it? Because often I know for me, I
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ran into it myself when I first got into the scene.
I wanted it to tell me what I wanted to hear.
Yeah. And man, I wood forest that on
it all the time. And like I said, I was seeing
synchronicity. It was telling me I was on the
right path, but the destination,the path it was taking me on,
was not the path I wanted to go on.
Yeah, well, not every so-called coincidence is synchronicity,
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just like not every strong feeling we have is some kind of
spiritual guidance. Because our minds love to do
what? Make meaning.
They love to assign meaning. They we love things being in
boxes with labels, especially when we're hurting, especially
for longing, or we're searching right for direction, for
purpose, for meaning. But again, true synchronicity is
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calm. It's grounded, but it's really
deep and expansive, right? And.
Very much so. This so-called fantasy is the
exact opposite of that. It's it's way more emotional.
It grips us, but it often roots us in things that aren't good
for us, like avoidance. Well, it's like, again, I think
back to that, that relationship I was in for seven years and
again, all the signs were telling me you need to remove
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yourself from the situation. But I would cling to anything
else. I would see the one out of 20
that was like, all right, I should stay in this, I should
keep fighting for this. I should keep trying to make it
work. Right.
It felt desperate to a degree. Yeah.
So let's let's compare some things that are actual
synchronicity to something that's fantasy.
Maybe people things people will resonate with.
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Yeah, I mean, crap. Let's go back to that, that
desperation, man. Often when we're chasing
synchronicity, we're we're chasing meaning it is, it feels
desperate. It is determined to look for any
answer that isn't the answer we already know, next to
synchronicity, which feels calm,it feels steady, It allows us to
flow with it. It's a natural feeling.
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Yeah, yeah, we're, we're synchronicity feels steady and
like a really good deep breath, right?
Feels so good and gets I mean itjust just charges the whole
system down from your toes to the top of your head.
But fantasy, like you said, feels really desperate, like,
like you desperately need it to be true.
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I don't care if it is, but I really, really, really need this
to be true. Now.
The one synchronous synchronicity always will expand
your perspective. If you're open, you surrender.
And of course, the fantasy is because we're trying to control
everything, it narrows. It narrows our focus.
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It locks us into only one outcome.
And if it doesn't happen, I'm out of here, I'm taking my ball
and I'm going home. Well, there's so much truth to
this because when you are in these moments of synchronicity,
meeting someone, having that moment of clarity, I mean,
again, your perspective, your ability to dream just grows
exponentially next to something that restricts your vision,
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allows you to see a single goal at the end of the tunnel, and
clouds your judgement around anything else, including logic
and reason. Well, and going back to the wish
it wanted, do it, let it go, right?
With synchronicity, you can see it, understand it, know it, and
then release it. And it still has that power
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because right comes from some some place higher.
But on the fantasy side of it, you cling to it, you fear of
losing it. Synchronicity encourages us to
be patient and to have trust where the other side of things.
We are encouraged to be obsessive and always in the
state of urgency, which is not good for us either.
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Yeah, when it gets so bad, when you start clinging because we
want things so bad in our lives the way we want it, we think we
know what's best for us. And I think that is one of the
greatest illnesses that plagues mankind is because everyone
thinks they know the best way togo about everything.
We know it. All I violate this all the time
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and I catch myself, but I still do it.
I still do it to this day. You know, I'll say to Heather,
you don't know what's best for me.
Is that truth speaking or is that my ego speaking because
maybe she does and if I'm not open to suggestion, I'm not open
to her at least being able to offer that perspective, then I
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am kind of going off on this other one word.
No, it's my way or the highway I'm narrowed in.
I'm this is exactly what I want it to be.
So you know, this is always a, this is a lifelong process and
practice. But there's some things I want
you guys to ask yourself, does this moment, when this happens,
does this moment expand me? Or am I using it to avoid
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something painful? Right.
That one question is really enough to bring you back into
clarity to help you say, OK, is this, is this actually
synchronicity or is it fantasy or am I trying to control this?
Because when you're aligned and and you said this perfectly and
this is spot on. When you're aligned and you're
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resonating, the synchronicities confirm your path.
They confirm that you are movingin the right direction.
See up ahead, there's another Rd. marker.
I'm still, it's like for those of you who play, play video
games, right, you know, and you're lost in a maze or you're
lost in a in a level, you alwaysknow you're going the right way
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when you find more bad guys, right?
That's how you know, that's how you're like, OK, you know,
you're sitting around wandering around, You know, if I'm playing
Skyrim and I'm wandering around a dungeon and I run out of bad
guys and I'm like, oh man, and I'm lost.
And if you've ever played that game and you don't and you stick
to the like the the vanilla settings where everything's
really dark and danky looking and it's hard to see anyway.
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And then you then you see the skeleton running out.
You're like, OK, I know I'm going in the right direction.
It's kind of like that. You know, when you're aligned,
you start seeing things that confirm your path, not confirm
what you want to be out the outcomes of, right.
But because there's a differencethere, there is a difference
there. When I think that's such a good
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question too, as far as it's like, are you avoiding something
when you're chasing the synchronicity?
Is there pain that you're avoiding?
Because I know often when I was ignoring synchronicity, that's
exactly what it was when I was assigning meaning to whatever I
could latch on to while avoidingthe real message, It's because I
was always avoiding a hard truthor a hard conversation.
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And yeah, no, that's, that's a beautiful exercise.
Yeah, that's why Heather says. That's why it keeps coming up.
Yeah. Yeah.
The universe never, never abandoned you.
You just stop listening to it. And that's not that's not a
judgement. We we all forget.
We all forget where we started, if there is such a thing.
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Not sure we all ever started anywhere, right.
I don't, I don't remember any ofthe times before I had knowing.
I don't remember. So my best guess is that maybe
there wasn't a beginning for me,for any of us, right?
You know, I've said that to you before and it's like there are
some questions and I'm not sure I'm ever going to find the
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answer to. So I just have to have faith and
I just have to trust that it doesn't matter that I can't
remember what was before my knowing my consciousness.
And I just have to assume since I since there was no beginning,
I must assume that it just continues on, right?
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So but when you are wounded, this sort of fantasy tries to
rescue you from this pain of waiting or not knowing.
But both our attempts at to makemeaning, but only one of these.
But only one of these leads to freedom.
Can you guess which one it is? Yeah.
Right, so I guess the real question is how do we work with
synchronicity? Well, as fun as puzzles are,
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this is not about decoding cryptic messages.
There isn't some super wizard upthere giving you riddles to
solve, right? It just, there just isn't as fun
as that would be, as fun as thatwould be.
It's about, again, cultivating awareness, learning to listen to
the subtleties of the universe. Think of it.
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Think of it as a little subtle conversation between what's in
here and what's out there. And the key is to start.
The key is to not to rush or trynot to overthink or live just in
here all the time, Michael Not here all the time, Heather Not
here all the time, Justin right.Because when we're constantly in
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here tinkering and moving stuff around, we don't we create so
much noise we can't hear this quiet dialogue.
So the first thing we have to dois, is I mean, IA broken record
at this point, because this is what I always say.
The first thing you got to do iswhat?
Pause, Slow down. You got to be able to notice
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these things because it speaks softly and you cannot hear much
in chaos, can you? When that tornado is ripping the
roof off, you can't hear anything and now you're freaking
out and you're in panic mode. You know, carve some space into
your day for for that inner stillness work, that inner peace
work. Give yourself if only a few
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moments where the mind quiets enough to notice things that are
in repetition or in pattern residence.
There's meditation, walks in nature, some mindful breathing.
That's the first thing I would. Do that's a powerful step.
And I would say once you get to a point where that peace becomes
natural, I mean, we talk about balance all the time.
I think one thing that does balance that out is action,
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meaningful action. That doesn't mean start running
in a direction, it means start taking little steps towards a
desired goal or dream or outcome.
And again, don't rigidly hold onto what that is, but allow
yourself to start building that momentum while balancing with
peace. Because it is in the quiet
moments is when you will receivethe messages.
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Yeah, yeah, and, and, and one ofthose actions you could take
you're, you're not going to believe I'm going to say this to
you, but create a journal that that tracks what you're starting
to see once you start to see these patterns, write down the
numbers, write down the words, write down the the animals or
symbols that keep appearing overand over again.
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And. One thing I'd add to that too is
being able to write down what's running through your mind at
that time. What were you thinking about?
What, where, where and what are you feeling right?
This is about connection, about connecting all the parts of
ourselves because they all have something to tell us.
They all have a story to tell us.
And we got and, and again, the ultimate goal is to align that
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story so that it's authentic. And once you do these things,
over time, you'll start to notice these patterns and
threads forming. You'll start to see that your
conscious mind and your unconscious self are
communicating. But again, at this point, the
key to interpret these things isnot to obsess over interpreting
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everything. Just observe, observe them,
write them down. Don't judge it, just write it
down. You know, I, I, I, dude, I know
people that will say, Oh my God,three red birds just flew over
me and they'll start freaking out.
They'll be like, OK, why are youfreaking out?
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What does that mean? What are you interpreting this
as well? You know, when the when the
birds fly from northeast to southwest and if they're red but
they have purple beaks, it's game over.
It's game over. You know what I mean?
It's like, OK, maybe we should slow down just a minute and
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maybe you should start writing this stuff down so that you see
if it's really purple beaked redbirds flying over you all the
time because it probably isn't. So, you know, don't judge it
just just just you know, be calmand just observe because the
meaning of these things that happen around us, these things
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will will ripen and become more clear as time goes on.
Well, one important part with this is when you when you are
writing it down, it allows you to see the patterns.
You know, you got to look for things over time, that message
will continually come up at the right time.
So if you're constantly cataloguing when this stuff is
going on, you'll know it's not these one off moments here and
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there. It is a consistent message being
brought to your attention. But practices like journaling
help you be able to go back to this is what was going on, this
is what I was thinking about. This is this is what I was
contemplating at this time and over and over I'm getting these
messages around this. And you really have to start
asking yourself reflective questions, right?
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So when something because these things and I'll never say never,
right? Because that's just not true in
the universe. There are exceptions to every
rule so far that I've seen. But when something does stand
out, don't ask. What does this mean?
Like why are these red purple billed birds flying over me?
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That shouldn't be your first question.
Your first question shouldn't bewhat does this mean?
Your first question should should be if you really want to
get to the heart of it, what part of me is trying to get my
attention, right? You know, because what that,
what that question does, it reclaims your power from
everything that's happening around you, which you have very
little control over, right? And what's the IT puts your
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awareness back where it belongs,rooted inside, rooted in your
inner self. Because I would I would argue
that synchronicity is never outside of you.
Jack, now I completely agree with that.
It's you reflecting back to you in the outside world.
Or at the very least, hey, pay attention.
We got something to talk about, right?
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And I think this is an importantthing and this is throughout
everything we talk about on here.
It's don't rush an interpretation.
The more you try to define, decipher the meaning and the
work you're doing, even when you're trying to heal, you know
it's you got to let your body tell you what's going on 1st.
You got to let the meaning reveal itself to you.
And that takes time, that takes patience, that takes work.
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Yeah, it again. It's not a it's not a puzzle to
solve or a message to decode. Once you start to learn to be
still and look for the synchronicities, it's a
conversation with your higher self.
It's the light reflected in all things.
And when you approach it with reverence and patience, but also
curiosity, right, the world begins to feel like a sacred
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mirror. Every moment of your life is
reflecting your evolution back to you, your growth or your lack
thereof. Sometimes, unfortunately, it's
very difficult to grow steadily.Is it not?
You know it's it would be nice. Always look at the healing,
healing map. But it's always, I'll never
forget. I was working with Courtney and
she she wanted me to learn a lesson.
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So she's like, you're going to go find a labyrinth and you're
going to walk it and you're going to reflect the whole time
you do it. And I realized it.
Yeah, like when I when I went down and I realized it's like
you start getting to the center,then you go out and now you're
on the outer ring and you're moving all around, going up and
down and back and forth. That is what the healing journey
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is. Sometimes you're going to feel
10 steps ahead, other times you're going to feel 5 steps
behind where you started. But you are making progress.
It's working through the junk. This is why we compared to hills
and valleys, right? That's why we always say you,
you did it. You climbed that mountain, man,
that was really hard work. And then you look across the
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landscape and there's 100,000 more mountains to climb.
You got to climb back down and then back up again.
And you have these victories. But celebrate your victories,
but also celebrate the treacherous walk back down and
the walk back up, because both of those are teachers of equal
measure of equal measure, right?We could do a whole episode on
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that. I mean, often I think people see
the climb as the moments where we build character and build
resilience. But it's also in the times of
peace, of gentle ease, that we get to gather the most
perspective. Yes, yeah, they, they are
necessary. They really are necessary.
We should do a show about the hills and valleys of growth.
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Yeah, leave a. Comment if you want to hear
that. Yeah, yeah, do.
You have any other parting pieces of guidance before we
jump into our affirmations? I do so I just want want you
guys to remember this isn't something we chase.
It's not a not necessarily a puzzle to solve or an enigma
that we have to find all the profound meaning in things
right. It's something that we notice
when we're finally still and ready enough to listen to.
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And as always, when you live in truth, when your actions match
what the rest of your being is telling you, your life begins to
reflect that coherence back to you.
The right people start to appear, the right opportunities
and doors will open for you. Even challenges make sense in
hindsight. Everything becomes a teacher,
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right? You begin to see that you were
never moving through some randomuniverse that there was
something, some steady hand ready to guide you through life,
right. So the beauty, the beauty of
synchronicity is that it doesn'tnecessarily demand belief
because it invites you into a relationship with it, right?
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It whispers to you are seeing you are connected.
You are exactly where you need to be.
So my call to action today for all of you will be this week.
Make space for stillness. I mean every week, but start
this week if you don't already. Make some space in your day, in
your night, in your busy lives for some stillness and notice
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what keeps repeating. It could be words, symbols,
feelings, songs, numbers, names,whatever, and write them down
without forcing any kind of meaning.
And keep asking yourself what part of me is ready to be seen?
What part of me is ready to be mirrored back to me?
What am I saying to myself? And let the meaning come in its
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own time. You got to, you got to be able
to, to not obsess over it and let it go.
It isn't the universe shouting, it's your soul trying to guide
you. So I'll leave you guys with may
your awareness become your compass.
And may the signs you find. May the signs find you not
because you're searching for them, but because you're walking
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with them within truth. So let them take you where you
need to go. Don't be so damn stubborn.
That's what I'll leave it with. That's good advice right there
though. Don't be so damn stubborn like
me. It's a practice.
It is for affirmations. Today.
I trust that alignment creates clarity, not control.
What's meant for me doesn't needto chase me.
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It meets me where I'm honest. I am learning to listen when
life speaks and patterns. I release the need to interpret
everything and allow meaning to unfold naturally.
My awareness is my compass when I am present.
I never missed the signs for ourjournaling prompts today.
What repeating situations, symbols, or interactions have
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been showing up for me lately? Right.
What's been happening? Not what you think it means.
Allow yourself to reflect as youcompile this list.
Where in my life do I feel friction, resistance, or a sense
of forcing? What truth have I been avoiding
or rationalizing away? In these answers, you can find
the synchronicities that have been trying to subtly speak to
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Have you ever noticed how the right person, the right message,
or the right opportunity shows up exactly when you're on the
edge of change? Most people call that
coincidence, but it's not random.
It's your inner world and your outer world aligning for a
moment. And what do you do in that
moment matters because synchronicity isn't meant to
entertain you. It's meant to wake you up.
My name is Michael Perry, and I'm joined today by Justin
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Gates. This is the new Ash the podcast.
Hello, and welcome to the new Ashley Podcast.
Today we're diving into synchronicity.
This is one of those things you hear a lot about, but what does
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synchronicity actually mean? Well, there are no coincidences.
There are no coincidences. I'll say that.
I've had lots of evidence of notof things not being in
coincidence, with things being perfectly timed.
That's what synchronicity is really very two or three word
definition, perfectly timed perfect.
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Timed, when you're working in law enforcement, I'm sure you
saw many moments where is the right call at the right time,
the right circumstance to appearto alert the authorities or
something potentially dangerous happened.
Like I think about that a lot. Or to keep me alive.
Give me times I've been kept alive.
Keep you alive. By things that I can't even
describe to you, like I don't even know.
It's it's synchronicity is something deeply woven into our
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path. And because it's woven into the
universe and we seek to connect and align and resonate with the
universe, right? It's those moments where life
whispers back to us or the the right person calls just as we
think of them, right? Or a phrase in a book echoes the
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thoughts we had before we read the page.
Yeah, you hear something on the radio.
Yeah, a song. Oh God, so.
So we, we had a really great weekend together, the four of
us, and we went to the Hot Springs and it was, I needed
that so badly. You know, we talked about, we've
talked about self-care a lot andhow it's not, not always a spa
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day or whatever. But this time it was, it was
really, really necessary, I think for all of us.
Completely agreed. But you know, on the way home, a
song played on the radio, and it's a song I hadn't heard in
years. I'm talking like since you
remember the movie Over the Top.No.
OK, so there was this really, I apologize if there's any fans of
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of Sly Stallone out there. He had this, he did this movie
called Over the Top where he waslike this arm wrestling champion
or something. It was the dumbest movie.
It was dumb. It was dumb.
They had the greatest soundtracks back then, man, all
the movies, best soundtracks because they always would get
like, you know, these really popular artists to do the
soundtracks and bands and, and artists would write songs for
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the movie and stuff. There's a song from that movie
called Meet Me halfway. You got to look it up and it
just came on, you know, so, so we fought the the Internet
haters because there was no Internet up there at all.
So we couldn't barely play Spotify couldn't do.
We just had to like, sit with it, right?
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And. You know.
And that's true. Even going out of town, I had to
go like, I don't know, maybe maybe 20 minutes out of town
before I could start picking up a signal on the phone and play
Spotify. And I like I like to play my
Spotify this episode not sponsored by Spotify, but
Spotify if you're listening, hey, but Spotify, I like to run
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it on the the smart shuffle so that it will play songs, it'll
throw new songs in there on my list, on top of my list, right.
So you know, I'm listening to spot.
So Spotify offline it it'll playthe songs that are downloaded on
your phone. But I must have hit like a sweet
spot. I was thinking in my head.
I was like, you know, I, I was Heather and I were talking about
how when you get to a point of detachment from, from trauma
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from the people that hurt us. And when you go through that,
you go through that stage where you, you, you sit with it.
And her and I were talking about, you know, as a kid, I was
really good at sitting with things until, until I was
through them, right? So, and that just followed me to
even to now. But we were talking about people
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that in my life that that did medirty.
Like my ex-wife, for example, myfirst wife, she did me of super
dirty, right? And I was, and when Heather and
I were talking about, I was like, you know what, I can't
even remember them that much anymore because I've gotten so
over it that it's not it's not that I and I think Courtney
talked about this where, where, you know, she was saying her
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husband and her will have a little scuffle and and he'll say
like, do you remember this? And she's like, I'm sorry, I
don't remember that because I got over it.
But then I was thinking about about, about, you know, I was
trying to try to pull up some feeling about it.
And and then this song just kindof moved into the shuffle and my
heart was just like glowing, man.
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It just like, but it was like the perfect timing because it
was like right when we got to this, this part of the
conversation where, you know, I was talking to her and I was
saying, listen, you know, the more you do this work, the
easier it gets. Unfortunately, though, you'll
start forgetting things. You'll start literally
forgetting out of sight, out of mind.
Once it stops hurting you, it'llbe gone, right?
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And I don't know if that's always a good thing.
I would like to remember some things.
I do remember mostly good things.
But like, you know, the hurt, the pain and stuff, I don't
remember it. I can't even, I can't even bring
it up to feel it. Does that make sense?
Right? No, it does.
I'm it does. So the song comes on it.
This song came on at the literally at the perfect time
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when when I didn't even think I had Internet, but Internet hit.
This song moved into the shuffleright around that same point of
the conversation. I was just like, oh, this feels
so good because it's like, you know, I love music and it sings.
It sings to me, you know, especially when it resonates
real bad. So.
Or real good, But yeah. When I'll say synchronicity, for
me, it's always been something that's let me know I'm on the
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right path, whether that's seeing 1111 or it's like you
said, a song coming on right at the perfect moment in the middle
of my thoughts. Like yeah, I do got this.
Yes, yeah, but but, but I do want to say we balance all
things here. We try to, we try to as flawed
humans as as best we can. I want to let people understand
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from from, from the point of view of our of our path.
This this isn't about assigning meaning to everything, right?
Not every random thing is a signand that's where people get lost
was I know we're going to get into that because the notes you
gave me chef's kiss, because later on the show we're going to
talk about that reality versus fantasy.
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But I kind of want to give people the understanding that
not everything is a sign, right?Because once when everything
starts becoming a sign in our mind, then we start chasing
everything and we've and we misseverything that's in front of
us. So synchronicity is about
awareness and as you said it, but you said in in the opening,
it's recognizing when that innerand outer worlds harmonize and
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when it, when it truly happens, you know it.
You know it because that moment feels different.
Sometimes it feels clearer or quieter, but for me things start
feeling more true, if that makessense.
When I'll say even like in some of my instances when I was going
through synchronicity a lot is when I was going through my
really dark period and I was assigning meaning to the
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synchronicity. But the synchronicity may have
been telling me I was on the right track, but what I had for
my desired outcome was not what the synchronicity was leading me
towards. That track was to propel me
forward to take off on this landing strip.
But I thought I was going to thefarm down the road and instead I
wound up in the stars. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And, and you know, you and I, you and I were talking night
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before last. Yeah, Saturday night we were
talking, we were sitting around and just having a really, really
great conversation about what's going on in our lives and, and
the, the direction of, of not just the show, but all the stuff
that we're, that we're building.And you know, it's like we, we
have to, we have to make sure welock in, you know, where, where
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these are the things that we cancontrol and we just have to be
patient. You know, patience, I know I
preach patience a lot, but patience isn't the strongest
thing about me sometimes. If, you know, we have all these,
we have all these signs and, andthings that happened to us.
But one thing we, one thing, we do it on this show.
And I don't know if we started out doing it on purpose, but we
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have gotten really good at it. And that's kind of this, this
psycho spirituality, right? So synchronicity is synonymous
with spirituality almost exclusively everywhere you go.
Where is where, where is the psychology come in for
synchronicity? Because I'm, I'm, I'm really
curious because I don't think a lot of people talk about
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synchronicity in that in that light.
Yeah. No, I mean, I'll be honest, I've
never heard it that way, but I've always perceived it this
way. I mean, we talk often about the
unconscious mind is always searching.
It is 95% of our thoughts. It is the thing that drives more
meaning than anything we think of.
And it's the unconscious mind that is seeking affirmation to
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its own way. Sometimes it's for guidance,
sometimes it's for validation, sometimes it's for
understanding. But when these things pop up in
our lives, our minds will latch onto it in A and assign it
meeting. Now, the big difference here
between synchronicity and it being forced is it something
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that's more like clarity? It feels natural.
There's this abundance that wells up in you.
It's not confusion. It's not this dominating, OK,
this has to be right. It is something that just is,
and it feels right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
This, this, this is not magic. This is communion with the flow,
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communion with the, with the universe, with God, with
creation, right? And so as I always like to do, I
always like to pick an axiom that I find that that matches
with what we're going to talk about today.
And if you'll allow me, I'd liketo share that real quick before.
So the axiom that that I chose for this episode was approach
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understanding with light and darkness will never gain
purchase. So, and as we get into this
later, we're going to talk aboutgetting lost in the woods, that
confusion versus clarity. But what this axiom teaches us
is that when we approach life with openness and clarity,
alignment and resonance, what once seemed chaotic begins to
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reveal a pattern. Think of like Neo seeing the the
ones and zeros, right? So you start to see a pattern in
all things, if you let it, synchronicity isn't the universe
randomly just throwing, throwingdarts at a, at a map, right?
Because the universe does what the universe does.
It's done it for billions of years.
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It's us finally slowing down andbeing quiet and quiet enough to
to hear and see things, right. This, this is awareness itself.
It, it illuminates what the unconscious parts of us not so
much hid from us, but failed to communicate with us.
And and we're, we're the broken link in that communication
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because we don't often enough bequiet enough or still enough to
see it. So when we overthink, we
overanalyze, we start to cast shadows across our own
perception and perspective. Is everything right?
It's like everything, because that is your reality.
And we see coincidence where there's meaning, or meaning
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where there's coincidence. But when we approach it with
truth, with light, with clarity,with humility, with curiosity,
but also that kind of calm discernment, the difference
becomes clear. Night and day.
Synchronicity is that dialogue between the conscious and the
unconscious, us mortals and those immortal things, those the
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stars and the land, the whatever, whatever, right, So
between between these realms that we can experience and the
realms that we haven't yet explored.
Yeah, well, you broke it down sowell.
I mean, I will say I have read several psychology books even
that the end chapters are aroundsynchronicity.
And it's exactly that it is as you start to heal these wounds,
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if you begin to slow down, you start to see it.
Your path will illuminate itself.
Now, one of my favorite quotes of all time is luck, as when
preparation meets opportunity. And often when we're scurrying
through life, we're avoiding, we're avoiding the truth.
We're avoiding meeting ourselveswhere we're at.
We get lost in the we get in theshuffle and forget to find the
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meaning in the moment. And as we slow down, we begin to
absorb so much more what's goingaround around us.
And synchronicity has a way of almost acting as guideposts on a
map. Right.
You know, you get that itch. I, I feel like I need to pursue
this job. And if you're willing to trust
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the universe, trust that intuitions little ping and
follow it. Go talk to a few people about
it. You're going to find someone
who's going to be like, hey, I'minto this line of work.
Let's get you involved in it. I mean, that's, that's a really
random example, but you know, your own intuition pings when
you follow those, when you put yourself out there, you take
action. The universe meets you halfway,
and that is synchronicity. Yeah, by the way, happy birthday
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to Michael. We didn't wish you happy
birthday on your birthday when we were recording.
Happy birthday to Heather, whosebirthday was on Friday,
Michael's was on Thursday. Happy birthday to you, which is
tomorrow. Mine's tomorrow, but so almost
all of the ethos tie into this topic too obviously truth,
right, Because all without with truth, it reflects reality as it
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is, not as we wish it. And in these moments of
synchronicity, the like you said, the illusion starts to
fade and you start at least control right?
And you start to see your path illuminated, just like you said,
those Rd. markers by something even greater than our limited
and sometimes flawed logic. Things happen around us without
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our permission, without our involvement or interference.
And we have to start tying into that connection.
Obviously, as I said before, we seek to connect with, with all,
all things in creation. So and faith and patience and
responsibility fit in here too, some of our agreements.
So I have something for you to think about while we're doing
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the show, Michael. OK.
And you better too, if you want to play along.
What if every moment of alignment, those every perfect
timing was a reflection of your readiness to listen, right?
What might be, what might the universe be trying to mirror
back to you right now? So put that in the put that
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maybe right here, not in the front row, but kind of in the
middle where you can see the screen better.
That's where I like to sit. What's the man like?
That takes me back to the relationship episode we did
about about toxic relationships.And when it comes down to it,
there's usually two parts to every toxic relationship.
And what relationships are meantto do is it's supposed to show
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us the unhealed parts of ourselves.
And it's it's those moments thatwe should be thankful.
I mean, we end up blaming our partners.
We end up looking at all the flaws in them and how they ruin
the relationship. But if we just stop and look at
the unhealed parts of us that never was able to meet that
person. Right.
Like, that's just one small example, the workplace where
we're stuck in the the shuffle all the time when we're having
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that call to leave, What, what is that reflecting back to us
that we need to expand, that we need to go outside of our
comfort zone? Yeah.
Why? I mean, why wait till the end of
your life? Most places, most, most ideas,
most beliefs center around some kind of life review.
Why wait till then to see everything?
Why not just pay attention now, right?
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Why wait for heaven when you canhave heaven now through
connection, through discernment,through paying attention,
slowing down. Heather had a question for you
about Deja vu. She said this reminds her of
Deja vu. What was the question around
Deja vu? What?
No, I asked if it would kind of be the same as deja vu, like
synchronicity. You're talking about seeing the
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same thing, like certain things come to you or whatever, you
know? Like no, I do think Deja vu does
can very much be a form of synchronicity.
It's that constant message, thatconstant thing you're
overlooking being re stimulated in your mind to pay attention
to. Exactly.
It's showing you constantly like, oh, we've been in this
position before, what the heck are you doing?
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Move forward. Yeah.
You know. Right.
Because I mean, I'm, I'm really skeptical of anyone who says
they can perfectly see the future because we believe the
future is always in motion. You may be seeing potential
outcomes, but unless you're Doctor Strange doing the
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14,000,100 and whatever, right? No, that's a really good point.
I never, I never never actually had to consider Deja Vu being a
sync, a synchronicity. Very, very well could be.
That's very insightful. Well.
Yeah, 'cause like there's certain things you're like, wait
a minute, Why does it feel so familiar?
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Yeah. Have I been here before?
Did this happen? Right, we all have them and.
Then all of a sudden it's like, oh crap.
But but if you see a black cat twice, that's just a glitch in
the matrix, don't you know? Don't do the unless you own one?
No, because then they're just running back and forth.
So So what? What actually is synchronicity?
I mean, at the end of the day, it's not superstition, right?
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Now synchronicity is the unconscious and the spirit
communicating through patterns, timing, symbolic events.
You know the psyche doesn't speak in sentences, it speaks in
associations, repetition and felt meaning.
That's why our dreams are so awesome sometimes, yeah.
When often it's like, what is your what are your dreams trying
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to either tell you or purge fromyou?
You know a. Lot of.
Synchronicity. We talk about how these patterns
are reoccurring, how things constantly happen.
Often there is a pattern within our lives that is calling forth
the same events. You know, it's like if you're
you date the same kind of personover and over again.
It's not luck that you're the common denominator is you.
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Is you. You know, you're winding up in
jobs you cannot stand. What about these jobs is
attracting you to it to keep youin this cycle?
Are you chasing money? Are you chasing opportunity?
I mean, it's there are patterns within all things we do.
That is what we are. We are pattern craving beings
whether we like it or not. Yeah.
Right. And we are at our best when we
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can see the pattern. Most of us don't.
Not, not a lot. I mean, we do accidentally
sometimes, but most of us are stuck in in the very patterns
we're trying to identify. And that's why we always say
pause, take a breath, close youreyes for a minute, and then
start to look around you. Not judgy, but discerning.
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And you, you explained it beautifully.
So where the psyche and the cosmos collaborate, Yeah, it
brings awareness into form. And it'll match your internal
state. What did old Carl call this?
What did? What did old Carl call
synchronicity? Do you know?
Remember. No.
What did he call it? Meaningful, meaningful
coincidence. That's what he called it.
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He called it meaningful coincidence, which is a, which
is a nice way to say it. And basically what he was saying
was when an Interstate aligns perfectly with an external
event, and that creates that moment that feels charged with
significance because the psyche doesn't speak in sentences, as
you said, it speaks in patterns and symbols and timing, which is
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why we love symbols. I love symbols.
Look at you can't look around the whole room, but there are
symbols all over the place here,right?
Many of them pop culture symbols, some of them esoteric
symbols, some of them are just symbols that mean something to
me. But we love symbols and we love
patterns, as you said. So this is really, it's the way
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our inner world sends the signals throughout the outer
world saying pay attention. I'm showing you this.
Pay attention. Much like our dreams pay
attention. Pay attention.
No, you're not really riding a dinosaur.
There's something, there's something else here you got to
pay attention to, although that would be really fun.
That would be really fun. You could tame it.
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You got this. But in all honesty here, I mean
it does. Your internal state will reflect
messages to you. You will.
You're in a bad situation. You'll constantly get these
little signs that are telling you it is time to go, and it's
up to you if you're going to heed the messages or you're
going to let them pile up. It's kind of like the check
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engine light in a car, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like, hey, yeah, it's but these are tougher to spot.
Like when something makes me angry, when something triggers
me to anger, that's easy to spot.
That's loud and clear, bro, I'llhear you.
Whatever that was. Not a fan, Right.
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But these, these synchronicitiesare a little tougher to
identify. Lucky for us, they keep coming
back over and over again until we, you know, they flick us in
the third eye enough times wherewe go, OK, OK, fine, mine, I get
it right. It's just the way it's.
Just the way that our psyche tends to and our mind tends to
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knit together the things we can see and experience and the
things that are yet to be explored.
I don't like that word unseen. I just think it's like we just
haven't explored that yet. Well, I think often about a
lesson you taught me early on, which was just so much the
truth. And it's like the universe will
come originally and come knock on your door and let you know
you shouldn't be doing that. You don't listen to it, then
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it's going to come banging on the door.
And if you don't listen, then it's going to kick the door
down. And if you can't listen at that
point, it's going to send a tornado your way and blow your
house down. Right.
Like, yeah, yeah, no, it's true.And the only reason I was able
to teach that to you is because it's happened to me many, many
times. You caught me in the middle of
that. I'll tell you what I was like,
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all right? I'm done with this kicking my
door and I don't want the house to blow away.
Nope, stay in Kansas, Dorothy, don't, don't go outside.
But, but, but you know, at the end of the day, synchronicity,
if you want to use, if you want to say there are coincidences,
well, then those are definitely different from synchronicities
because synchronicity will clarify, it will not confuse.
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It's once you recognize it, you will be able to align deeper and
resonate deeper and not lose yourself if something happens
and you think it's a sign, but you're just twice as confused
and now you're chasing things. I don't think that's really a
synchronicity or at least you'renot ready to hear it.
You're not ready to see it because when it happens and it's
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true, it's clear, clear as day, you know, like a bell ringing
goes off. So.
I think that ties right into synchronicity and alignment, you
know? It's not a cookie.
You didn't. You don't.
You don't get a reward for good behavior.
That's what I think is right. It doesn't matter what you're
doing. Synchronicities happen to all of
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us. It is again that natural outcome
of internal harmony. When your words, and this is
where integrity comes into, whenyour words, choices, and beliefs
align and resonate with all the things around you, the static in
your energy field quiets down. The world stops reflecting
confusion and you'll start having more coherence with
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things and people. You'll magnetize opportunity to
you. I mean, that's one of the
greatest things I realized is once you start going from
synchronicity trying to teach you lessons.
I mean, not that it always isn'ttrying to teach you lessons, but
it goes from being that hard father to being that gentle
mother like energy where it's just constantly trying to help
you become more and become greater and just present
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opportunities. I mean, I can't believe how much
the more I got in alignment, themore opportunities all around me
opened up, the people I met, theresources I had, the
effectiveness I've been able to have in life.
All these things lined up perfectly for me to be a for all
this to happen. Yeah, yeah.
And it brought some pretty good people in our lives, didn't it?
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Yeah. It really did.
But you must be authentic here. Yeah, these synchronicities will
increase, and it's probably not that they're increasing.
It's just that you're living more authentically and you'll
start to see more clearly, right?
Yeah. You got to stop lying to
yourself. You got to stop betraying your
intuition. You got to stop saying yes when
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every other part of you screams no.
And I think a big one, and I seethis in a lot of places, you got
to be aligned with your values, know what your values are, and
know what your values aren't. We're not perfect, but we got to
be able to have a moral internalcode that we follow to a tee
because whenever we drift from that, we begin to persecute
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ourselves. But when we are in alignment
with that, it helps us become more energetically aware.
And again, that magnetism. And there are some indicators
for you to take note of as you're going through this
process, are there not? There's at least three or four
that I could think of. What about less less internal
resistance? When I think this is one of the
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key ways to know whether you're beat, you're chasing signs, or
you're aligned with it, does it fill you up?
Does it light you up? And not in the sense of hope,
but in the sense of knowing, because often that resistance we
might have just gets in our way from perceiving the messages.
Again, I I had it when I was in that rough relationship for
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seven years. The universe kept speaking to me
and I just kept being Nope, Nope.
Blinders up. Blinders up, Yeah.
So I'm trying to think who I'm trying to think when something
like this hope is like kindergarten faith.
And I think it was. It really, it reminds me.
That phrase reminds me of some of the fellows we were talking
about, some of the old schoolersthat we were talking about the
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other night, people that really laid the groundwork for this
kind of, yeah, new age faith. And and that doesn't mean that
hope is for children. That just means that, like you
just said, as you align more andmore, hope becomes knowing,
right? Hope becomes knowing and things
stop feeling less like a battle between should and want, and
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that eternal resistance fades and you're no longer divided
against yourself. This is where you start to find
true integrity and you stop overanalyzing every single thing and
you start to begin, you start totrust that intuitive rhythm
because you're starting to plug in because you're being
authentic and you're not paying attention to the things to the
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million and one things that are trying to stop you.
You're focusing on on, on the stuff that you have control
over. You know, the, the anxiety drops
from these things because especially if you're someone
who's a second guesser, we all know a lot of second guessers.
We, we all maybe those ourselves, but that stuff starts
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to soften too. And you start to find confidence
now, like in all things, challenges still come around.
We never shake those. There's no philosophy on Earth.
There's nothing I could ever teach you.
There's nothing you can read a book that makes the challenges
of life go away. They just don't.
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But they'll start feeling less like a punishment.
These things will start to feel more like teachers and like they
have purpose, and you will startto move, not so much wrestle
with them, but you'll start to dance with them and integrate
them. So in this, in this indicator,
resistance often signals that disconnection between your
conscious goals and your unconscious truth.
And when and when you align and resonate, the energy flows
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freely again in your choices, and your whole being will start
to move in the same direction asone, even your shadows.
You'll start to move as a whole being.
Well, I think one of the best things to keep in mind when
you're understanding synchronicity, when you're going
through synchronicity, don't seek control.
Don't seek understanding something greater than what is
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in front of you. Follow the wind.
Allow it to carry you to each step.
Allow it to create what it is it's trying to help you unfold
before you. It doesn't mean take action.
It doesn't mean make to. Don't make decisions in that
moment, but don't rigidly hold on to them.
Allow the universe to help you create this abstract painting
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because you could be trying to draw a little house and you're
winding up with a whole estate. You know, we can never have a
greater imagination than the universe.
This is what we mean by This is why.
This is what. This is what people mean when
they say the will of God or the will of the force or being
guided by something greater thanyourself.
This is what they're talking about.
Because once you once you start to feel like you're like the
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currents are carrying you and nothing's perfect.
This won't be perfect either. But because now you trust in the
unfolding and that need to forceand chase and over plan, that
stuff starts to fall away. You stop.
You stop doing that more and more and it really starts to
feel like a partnership, right? It starts to feel like you're a
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part of this instead of just performing or the outcast or or
isolated or whatever. This is where true connection,
that powerful connection takes place.
This is where heaven starts to unfold that connection.
And like you said, you'll start noticing these, these
opportunities that just start, start lining up right at the
perfect time, right? People who show up that share
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your your vision or share your challenges Even so.
What I think an important note too with this is this is a
lesson you taught me many years ago, and it's what is the
difference between hope and faith?
Hope is praying that things workout.
Faith is knowing they will. And when you can have the faith
to let it unfold before you, it helps you free up so much energy
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of worrying what's going to happen.
Is this the right move? It is just allowing yourself to
go with it. Yeah, yeah.
It simply says follow me, followme, follow me.
There's a really famous guy thatused to say though, yeah, they
killed him for it, but. Yeah.
He's pretty popular. I know who you're talking about.
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Yeah, I they all know who I'm talking about too.
But you know, the feet feeling feel like you're part of it,
feeling like you're being guidedin a partnership.
Not, not like something's pushing you, but you're in this,
you know, you're in a cradle going downstream.
It's peaceful, right? It's, it's, it's connected.
This really means that you've, you've kind of released the
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egos, demand for certainty and for control.
And you've, you've allowed yourself to be open to this,
this orchestration that's happening whether you wanted to
or not. It is.
And life starts to unfold through you, Michael.
Not just around you, but throughyou things.
Just start happening. Well, it's like the four stages
of consciousness, right? The four stages of
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consciousness, life is happeningto me.
Stage one, that is where most people operate.
It is the constant life is happening to me and I have no
control over it. Then it goes into stage 2, which
is life is happening for me then.
Oh, go ahead. Yeah, go ahead.
So. So, you know, we, we teach a
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path that ends up becoming a path of no mind, a path of no
effort as it, it becomes the effortless path, right?
You'll know that you're in alignment, in residence when
this stuff starts becoming normal and ordinary.
And you know, throughout the years, I've had people really
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doubt that I was a Mystic because I don't, because I'm
just so nonchalant about this stuff, right?
Well, because it's become so normal for me.
This is why I don't like the word supernatural.
We talked about this the other night.
I don't like the word supernatural because all of this
is natural. None of us are creating this.
It is natural. These are natural things about
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the universe that we live in. Just most of us don't want to
see it, right? So the more aligned you are, the
more you resonate, the more these things like synchronicity
stops feeling special or mystical and starts feeling
natural because you start to nowyou've gone from from the point
where you know, this happens to expecting that the universe
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response because it always, always does.
You stop asking for signs because you are actually living
as one, right? Yeah.
So these numbers and symbols andyou know, the 11 elevens, you
know, we all see them. I see them all the time.
I was born on 11/11. I've seen that everywhere,
right? That's crazy, man.
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I'll tell you what, when I realized that, I was like, holy
crap, he's walking synchronicity.
You know, and that, and that's what we try to become is, is
where this stuff becomes so normal that we start to become
the thing, right? We start to become the signs
for, for for ourselves and others.
And again, these numbers and symbols or these moments of
perfect timing, they just don't surprise me anymore.
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I just kind of chuckle and go, Yep, no, don't surprise me
anymore. The miraculous becomes normal
because you are attuned beyond trying to chase the meaning of
things. Or trying to make your own
meaning. I mean, it's not bad to create
definition, but the more abstract you can let life be,
the more you can just absorb so much more out of the world, so
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much more opportunity and possibility.
It's insane. This is where this is where the
proof lies that abundance is yours truly truly, right?
Heather and I have a friend thatwe've known for a long time and
I call him the wish it want it, do it guy because he would wish
it want it. He would start to do it, but
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when he couldn't force an outcome or get the outcome that
he demanded, then he fell off every time.
That was I just I just posted a short from the show I did with
Brenda, Brenda Martinez and it'scalled the secret of the secret
and the secret of the secret. Let's see if you can guess this.
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Heather, do you know what the secret of the secret is?
close, close enough. Faith it is letting it work,
letting me cook, letting it go, wish it, want it, do the things
that you are supposed to do on your side of things and just let
it go, right? We talked about this many years
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ago before you became my studentbecause we'd always have these
these conversations over at the old come and go.
And that was one of the things Itold you was like, because you
were really, I mean, you were, you had books stacked this deep
that you have read. And we talked about these
things. And law of attraction was
something you were really into back then.
And we were talking then. I I remember saying to you one
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time, OK, yeah, no, you, you, you, you are on track.
Except you forgot to let it go. And Brenda and I were talking
about that and she said, well, that's the secret of the secret.
And it's true. It is.
It is letting it go. Letting it go because, well, you
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don't get to be in charge of allof it.
We couldn't possibly, and I've said this before, we couldn't
possibly be in charge of moving all the things around that need
to be moved because we don't even know all the players on the
on the board, right? Sometimes we got to do our part
and let the things move around and be patient and it will come.
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Well, that's really where the magic happens.
Again, it ties into that patience.
But it's it's like baking a cake.
You put it all together, you throw it in the oven.
In the oven. We'll know when it's done.
Yeah, but you have to trust thatit is baking in there.
You can't keep pulling it out and checking on it.
It's that derived action and divine timing.
Right. Yeah, divine timing, which is
which, Thank God it's out of ourhands because then it becomes
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perfect timing. But you know, now we're getting
to the good stuff though, because this is what this is
where we a lot of us get trippedup, especially, especially with
these kind of topics. Because if you're anything like
me, you wanted to just RIP through it, man.
Oh, this is awesome. And I would just go crazy, but
I'd get tripped up, right? Because then I would start
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losing that blurring, that line between what is a sign, what is
synchronistic and what is fantasy, what I am making up.
So I think there is a lot when it comes to distinguishing
synchronicity from fantasy because I think all of us want
that fantasy of everything telling us that this choice is
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right or that this is the path we need to take.
But not every coincidence is meaning synchronicity.
Again, we it goes back to that whole the feeling you get
inside. Is it grounded and calm or does
it feel urgent or emotional? Is it something where you're
trying to prescribe meaning to it?
Are you following it? Because often I know for me, I
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ran into it myself when I first got into the scene.
I wanted it to tell me what I wanted to hear.
Yeah. And man, I wood forest that on
it all the time. And like I said, I was seeing
synchronicity. It was telling me I was on the
right path, but the destination,the path it was taking me on,
was not the path I wanted to go on.
Yeah, well, not every so-called coincidence is synchronicity,
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just like not every strong feeling we have is some kind of
spiritual guidance. Because our minds love to do
what? Make meaning.
They love to assign meaning. They we love things being in
boxes with labels, especially when we're hurting, especially
for longing, or we're searching right for direction, for
purpose, for meaning. But again, true synchronicity is
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calm. It's grounded, but it's really
deep and expansive, right? And.
Very much so. This so-called fantasy is the
exact opposite of that. It's it's way more emotional.
It grips us, but it often roots us in things that aren't good
for us, like avoidance. Well, it's like, again, I think
back to that, that relationship I was in for seven years and
again, all the signs were telling me you need to remove
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yourself from the situation. But I would cling to anything
else. I would see the one out of 20
that was like, all right, I should stay in this, I should
keep fighting for this. I should keep trying to make it
work. Right.
It felt desperate to a degree. Yeah.
So let's let's compare some things that are actual
synchronicity to something that's fantasy.
Maybe people things people will resonate with.
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Yeah, I mean, crap. Let's go back to that, that
desperation, man. Often when we're chasing
synchronicity, we're we're chasing meaning it is, it feels
desperate. It is determined to look for any
answer that isn't the answer we already know, next to
synchronicity, which feels calm,it feels steady, It allows us to
flow with it. It's a natural feeling.
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Yeah, yeah, we're, we're synchronicity feels steady and
like a really good deep breath, right?
Feels so good and gets I mean itjust just charges the whole
system down from your toes to the top of your head.
But fantasy, like you said, feels really desperate, like,
like you desperately need it to be true.
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I don't care if it is, but I really, really, really need this
to be true. Now.
The one synchronous synchronicity always will expand
your perspective. If you're open, you surrender.
And of course, the fantasy is because we're trying to control
everything, it narrows. It narrows our focus.
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It locks us into only one outcome.
And if it doesn't happen, I'm out of here, I'm taking my ball
and I'm going home. Well, there's so much truth to
this because when you are in these moments of synchronicity,
meeting someone, having that moment of clarity, I mean,
again, your perspective, your ability to dream just grows
exponentially next to something that restricts your vision,
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allows you to see a single goal at the end of the tunnel, and
clouds your judgement around anything else, including logic
and reason. Well, and going back to the wish
it wanted, do it, let it go, right?
With synchronicity, you can see it, understand it, know it, and
then release it. And it still has that power
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because right comes from some some place higher.
But on the fantasy side of it, you cling to it, you fear of
losing it. Synchronicity encourages us to
be patient and to have trust where the other side of things.
We are encouraged to be obsessive and always in the
state of urgency, which is not good for us either.
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Yeah, when it gets so bad, when you start clinging because we
want things so bad in our lives the way we want it, we think we
know what's best for us. And I think that is one of the
greatest illnesses that plagues mankind is because everyone
thinks they know the best way togo about everything.
We know it. All I violate this all the time
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and I catch myself, but I still do it.
I still do it to this day. You know, I'll say to Heather,
you don't know what's best for me.
Is that truth speaking or is that my ego speaking because
maybe she does and if I'm not open to suggestion, I'm not open
to her at least being able to offer that perspective, then I
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am kind of going off on this other one word.
No, it's my way or the highway I'm narrowed in.
I'm this is exactly what I want it to be.
So you know, this is always a, this is a lifelong process and
practice. But there's some things I want
you guys to ask yourself, does this moment, when this happens,
does this moment expand me? Or am I using it to avoid
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something painful? Right.
That one question is really enough to bring you back into
clarity to help you say, OK, is this, is this actually
synchronicity or is it fantasy or am I trying to control this?
Because when you're aligned and and you said this perfectly and
this is spot on. When you're aligned and you're
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resonating, the synchronicities confirm your path.
They confirm that you are movingin the right direction.
See up ahead, there's another Rd. marker.
I'm still, it's like for those of you who play, play video
games, right, you know, and you're lost in a maze or you're
lost in a in a level, you alwaysknow you're going the right way
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when you find more bad guys, right?
That's how you know, that's how you're like, OK, you know,
you're sitting around wandering around, You know, if I'm playing
Skyrim and I'm wandering around a dungeon and I run out of bad
guys and I'm like, oh man, and I'm lost.
And if you've ever played that game and you don't and you stick
to the like the the vanilla settings where everything's
really dark and danky looking and it's hard to see anyway.
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And then you then you see the skeleton running out.
You're like, OK, I know I'm going in the right direction.
It's kind of like that. You know, when you're aligned,
you start seeing things that confirm your path, not confirm
what you want to be out the outcomes of, right.
But because there's a differencethere, there is a difference
there. When I think that's such a good
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question too, as far as it's like, are you avoiding something
when you're chasing the synchronicity?
Is there pain that you're avoiding?
Because I know often when I was ignoring synchronicity, that's
exactly what it was when I was assigning meaning to whatever I
could latch on to while avoidingthe real message, It's because I
was always avoiding a hard truthor a hard conversation.
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And yeah, no, that's, that's a beautiful exercise.
Yeah, that's why Heather says. That's why it keeps coming up.
Yeah. Yeah.
The universe never, never abandoned you.
You just stop listening to it. And that's not that's not a
judgement. We we all forget.
We all forget where we started, if there is such a thing.
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Not sure we all ever started anywhere, right.
I don't, I don't remember any ofthe times before I had knowing.
I don't remember. So my best guess is that maybe
there wasn't a beginning for me,for any of us, right?
You know, I've said that to you before and it's like there are
some questions and I'm not sure I'm ever going to find the
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answer to. So I just have to have faith and
I just have to trust that it doesn't matter that I can't
remember what was before my knowing my consciousness.
And I just have to assume since I since there was no beginning,
I must assume that it just continues on, right?
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So but when you are wounded, this sort of fantasy tries to
rescue you from this pain of waiting or not knowing.
But both our attempts at to makemeaning, but only one of these.
But only one of these leads to freedom.
Can you guess which one it is? Yeah.
Right, so I guess the real question is how do we work with
synchronicity? Well, as fun as puzzles are,
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this is not about decoding cryptic messages.
There isn't some super wizard upthere giving you riddles to
solve, right? It just, there just isn't as fun
as that would be, as fun as thatwould be.
It's about, again, cultivating awareness, learning to listen to
the subtleties of the universe. Think of it.
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Think of it as a little subtle conversation between what's in
here and what's out there. And the key is to start.
The key is to not to rush or trynot to overthink or live just in
here all the time, Michael Not here all the time, Heather Not
here all the time, Justin right.Because when we're constantly in
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here tinkering and moving stuff around, we don't we create so
much noise we can't hear this quiet dialogue.
So the first thing we have to dois, is I mean, IA broken record
at this point, because this is what I always say.
The first thing you got to do iswhat?
Pause, Slow down. You got to be able to notice
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these things because it speaks softly and you cannot hear much
in chaos, can you? When that tornado is ripping the
roof off, you can't hear anything and now you're freaking
out and you're in panic mode. You know, carve some space into
your day for for that inner stillness work, that inner peace
work. Give yourself if only a few
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moments where the mind quiets enough to notice things that are
in repetition or in pattern residence.
There's meditation, walks in nature, some mindful breathing.
That's the first thing I would. Do that's a powerful step.
And I would say once you get to a point where that peace becomes
natural, I mean, we talk about balance all the time.
I think one thing that does balance that out is action,
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meaningful action. That doesn't mean start running
in a direction, it means start taking little steps towards a
desired goal or dream or outcome.
And again, don't rigidly hold onto what that is, but allow
yourself to start building that momentum while balancing with
peace. Because it is in the quiet
moments is when you will receivethe messages.
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Yeah, yeah, and, and, and one ofthose actions you could take
you're, you're not going to believe I'm going to say this to
you, but create a journal that that tracks what you're starting
to see once you start to see these patterns, write down the
numbers, write down the words, write down the the animals or
symbols that keep appearing overand over again.
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And. One thing I'd add to that too is
being able to write down what's running through your mind at
that time. What were you thinking about?
What, where, where and what are you feeling right?
This is about connection, about connecting all the parts of
ourselves because they all have something to tell us.
They all have a story to tell us.
And we got and, and again, the ultimate goal is to align that
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story so that it's authentic. And once you do these things,
over time, you'll start to notice these patterns and
threads forming. You'll start to see that your
conscious mind and your unconscious self are
communicating. But again, at this point, the
key to interpret these things isnot to obsess over interpreting
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everything. Just observe, observe them,
write them down. Don't judge it, just write it
down. You know, I, I, I, dude, I know
people that will say, Oh my God,three red birds just flew over
me and they'll start freaking out.
They'll be like, OK, why are youfreaking out?
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What does that mean? What are you interpreting this
as well? You know, when the when the
birds fly from northeast to southwest and if they're red but
they have purple beaks, it's game over.
It's game over. You know what I mean?
It's like, OK, maybe we should slow down just a minute and
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maybe you should start writing this stuff down so that you see
if it's really purple beaked redbirds flying over you all the
time because it probably isn't. So, you know, don't judge it
just just just you know, be calmand just observe because the
meaning of these things that happen around us, these things
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will will ripen and become more clear as time goes on.
Well, one important part with this is when you when you are
writing it down, it allows you to see the patterns.
You know, you got to look for things over time, that message
will continually come up at the right time.
So if you're constantly cataloguing when this stuff is
going on, you'll know it's not these one off moments here and
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there. It is a consistent message being
brought to your attention. But practices like journaling
help you be able to go back to this is what was going on, this
is what I was thinking about. This is this is what I was
contemplating at this time and over and over I'm getting these
messages around this. And you really have to start
asking yourself reflective questions, right?
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So when something because these things and I'll never say never,
right? Because that's just not true in
the universe. There are exceptions to every
rule so far that I've seen. But when something does stand
out, don't ask. What does this mean?
Like why are these red purple billed birds flying over me?
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That shouldn't be your first question.
Your first question shouldn't bewhat does this mean?
Your first question should should be if you really want to
get to the heart of it, what part of me is trying to get my
attention, right? You know, because what that,
what that question does, it reclaims your power from
everything that's happening around you, which you have very
little control over, right? And what's the IT puts your
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awareness back where it belongs,rooted inside, rooted in your
inner self. Because I would I would argue
that synchronicity is never outside of you.
Jack, now I completely agree with that.
It's you reflecting back to you in the outside world.
Or at the very least, hey, pay attention.
We got something to talk about, right?
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And I think this is an importantthing and this is throughout
everything we talk about on here.
It's don't rush an interpretation.
The more you try to define, decipher the meaning and the
work you're doing, even when you're trying to heal, you know
it's you got to let your body tell you what's going on 1st.
You got to let the meaning reveal itself to you.
And that takes time, that takes patience, that takes work.
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Yeah, it again. It's not a it's not a puzzle to
solve or a message to decode. Once you start to learn to be
still and look for the synchronicities, it's a
conversation with your higher self.
It's the light reflected in all things.
And when you approach it with reverence and patience, but also
curiosity, right, the world begins to feel like a sacred
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mirror. Every moment of your life is
reflecting your evolution back to you, your growth or your lack
thereof. Sometimes, unfortunately, it's
very difficult to grow steadily.Is it not?
You know it's it would be nice. Always look at the healing,
healing map. But it's always, I'll never
forget. I was working with Courtney and
she she wanted me to learn a lesson.
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So she's like, you're going to go find a labyrinth and you're
going to walk it and you're going to reflect the whole time
you do it. And I realized it.
Yeah, like when I when I went down and I realized it's like
you start getting to the center,then you go out and now you're
on the outer ring and you're moving all around, going up and
down and back and forth. That is what the healing journey
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is. Sometimes you're going to feel
10 steps ahead, other times you're going to feel 5 steps
behind where you started. But you are making progress.
It's working through the junk. This is why we compared to hills
and valleys, right? That's why we always say you,
you did it. You climbed that mountain, man,
that was really hard work. And then you look across the
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landscape and there's 100,000 more mountains to climb.
You got to climb back down and then back up again.
And you have these victories. But celebrate your victories,
but also celebrate the treacherous walk back down and
the walk back up, because both of those are teachers of equal
measure of equal measure, right?We could do a whole episode on
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that. I mean, often I think people see
the climb as the moments where we build character and build
resilience. But it's also in the times of
peace, of gentle ease, that we get to gather the most
perspective. Yes, yeah, they, they are
necessary. They really are necessary.
We should do a show about the hills and valleys of growth.
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Yeah, leave a. Comment if you want to hear
that. Yeah, yeah, do.
You have any other parting pieces of guidance before we
jump into our affirmations? I do so I just want want you
guys to remember this isn't something we chase.
It's not a not necessarily a puzzle to solve or an enigma
that we have to find all the profound meaning in things
right. It's something that we notice
when we're finally still and ready enough to listen to.
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And as always, when you live in truth, when your actions match
what the rest of your being is telling you, your life begins to
reflect that coherence back to you.
The right people start to appear, the right opportunities
and doors will open for you. Even challenges make sense in
hindsight. Everything becomes a teacher,
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right? You begin to see that you were
never moving through some randomuniverse that there was
something, some steady hand ready to guide you through life,
right. So the beauty, the beauty of
synchronicity is that it doesn'tnecessarily demand belief
because it invites you into a relationship with it, right?
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It whispers to you are seeing you are connected.
You are exactly where you need to be.
So my call to action today for all of you will be this week.
Make space for stillness. I mean every week, but start
this week if you don't already. Make some space in your day, in
your night, in your busy lives for some stillness and notice
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what keeps repeating. It could be words, symbols,
feelings, songs, numbers, names,whatever, and write them down
without forcing any kind of meaning.
And keep asking yourself what part of me is ready to be seen?
What part of me is ready to be mirrored back to me?
What am I saying to myself? And let the meaning come in its
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own time. You got to, you got to be able
to, to not obsess over it and let it go.
It isn't the universe shouting, it's your soul trying to guide
you. So I'll leave you guys with may
your awareness become your compass.
And may the signs you find. May the signs find you not
because you're searching for them, but because you're walking
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with them within truth. So let them take you where you
need to go. Don't be so damn stubborn.
That's what I'll leave it with. That's good advice right there
though. Don't be so damn stubborn like
me. It's a practice.
It is for affirmations. Today.
I trust that alignment creates clarity, not control.
What's meant for me doesn't needto chase me.
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It meets me where I'm honest. I am learning to listen when
life speaks and patterns. I release the need to interpret
everything and allow meaning to unfold naturally.
My awareness is my compass when I am present.
I never missed the signs for ourjournaling prompts today.
What repeating situations, symbols, or interactions have
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been showing up for me lately? Right.
What's been happening? Not what you think it means.
Allow yourself to reflect as youcompile this list.
Where in my life do I feel friction, resistance, or a sense
of forcing? What truth have I been avoiding
or rationalizing away? In these answers, you can find
the synchronicities that have been trying to subtly speak to
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you and in the end find truth. Thank you so much for joining us
today. Please check out our different
channels Spotify, YouTube, TikTok podcast if you got it,
TikTok, Instagram. Google.
Awesome. Check out our awesome website.
We're even over at Amazon and Audible.
New ashland.com, right? Best website in the entire
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universe. Check it out.
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With love and gratitude, add Luchum.
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