April 2, 2025 • 83 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to the No Cast Sports show podcast with sports
and Convos Collide.
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I'm your host of.
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Cobra More Money. I'm your host More Money I am.
I am your host Old Dog a k A. Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
How y'all doing today? Follows doing good brother? You know,
another great day. We're back again, another week live on
the podcast. We got a special show for the viewers
and listeners today, a little a little different type of
setup that that I'm excited for.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be awesome to get all
different point of views and uh, just hear the different
stories about you know, their experiences.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Man, I say, we get straight to it.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Y'all good? Everybody good fan? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, I say, cold man, we should just get straight
to it. Man, it's that time.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
All right, Well, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So introducing first is one of the most prolific scores
in the history of Western Kentucky University. He's also Me
and Old Dolls Uncle Daryl Turner, where he earned first
team Ohio Valley Conference Team honors, and he also led
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the Hilltoppers to the nineteen seventy eight n Cuba Tournament
that featured an overtime win over Syracuse and a tough
Sweet sixteen loss to a Magic Johnson led Michigan State
Spartans team. So, without further ado, welcome to the show.
Daryl Red Rose Turner, So yeah, our next guest. He's
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a smooth playing guard from the University of Dayton. Way
scored over fifteen hundred points and handed out over five
hundred assists in his career. Rama was two times All
Atlantic ten, including the two thousand and three A ten
Tournament MVP. Ramar led the Flyers to two NCAA Tournament
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beds and three He led to the Flyers to a
number four seed and then they went back to the
tourney again at four. To date, Ramada is regarded as
one of the best point guards to ever play at
the University of Dayton. Please, welcome to the show, Ramar.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Marshall's going on, fellas, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
What's up, sir?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (02:57):
Mab was going on?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Bro Man, I can't call it man. Everything good man.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I appreciate y'all having me on, and I definitely got
to get some of the.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Other child like that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Oh yeah, oh it's coming east st.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Jack absolutely, Our next guest. Is no stranger to the show.
He is a legendary point guard out of Xavier University,
where he's a top twenty scoer in top ten and
assists all time. Gary Lumpkin led Xavier University that eighty
three wins in four seasons, including seventy in his last
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three seasons, making the NCAA tournament three out of his
four years at Exavier. He was part of one half
of a backcourt that many considered to be the best
backcourt in the entire country. Welcome to the show or
welcome back to the show. I'm man Gary Lumpkin. Step Look, hey,
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our next guest. There's a former superstar wing man out
of George Mason University, where he led the Patriots to
the two thousand and six n C Double A final four.
Following went on to have a ten year professional career
in York and we're excited to have him on the
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show tonight. Please welcome Mster following Campbell Y.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Yeah, what's going on, fellas spree bro, Yeah, they cheated
us too.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
We should have won that game. They cheat. That's what
five we had, man. We definitely should be state.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
All right, and last but not least, we have a
legendary basketball player from George Washington University, where he finishes
the all time career leading scorer with two thousand, two
hundred and forty nine points, and he was a top
ten rebounder, a feat that only four players in school
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history has ever accomplished, being top ten scoring and rebounding.
He's twenty twelve Hall of Fame class. Welcome to Oh
before that, and he also went on to have a professional,
successful professional basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Career in Europe.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So, without further ado, welcome to the show, the legendary
Chris Monroe.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Having me.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Yes, sir, family, glad to be on here.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Hey, I just want I want you to know man
to this day. Alrighty, Chris can't still can't go.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
When we get started, we getting cooked if we start.
If we started off like that, I'm burned. Following up
every day every summer when you need to play everything.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's that's that's that's the big dog right there.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I like to see that. I like to see the
dal v heat right there. That's just good competition, right,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Go ahead, look, oh go ahead, crazy, keep talking trash.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
I'll pull up the following house right now, you know
them light still come on over there, Hillingdale, bring them
out dead.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I don't want no problems, man, you gotta slim, you got.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, so, little fellas, Look, we were all excited for
you guys to be here tonight. You know, this is
the first time we have this specific setup where we
have a panel of you know, of illustrious, accomplished, superstar
basketball players who accomplished so much in that Division one
basketball careers and beyond to go in and play professionally
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and in the in the spirit of of March Madness,
just being college basketball season, one of the best seasons
out of any sport, we wanted to get you guys
together to talk about your awsome playing careers and your
experience playing in the n C Double A tournament and
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maybe even in some cases falling short of making the
NC Double A tournament, and you know, you know how
that felt and what it would have meant to you
making a tournament, you know, putting in all of that
hard work, because everybody in the beginning of the season
has that one goal to get your name called to
be a part of that bracket to play in March Madness.
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So if we can just start off and we'll go
around the horn and we'll start with you, g Lump,
if you can talk to us about you know, your
experience playing Division one college ball and and how high
of a priority was making the n CUBA. Turning me
to you and your team.
Speaker 9 (08:08):
First of all, man, it's a pleasure beyond here with
all these great basketball names and all something that sitting here.
You know, the journey had first year getting there, say,
we know, freshman from to figure.
Speaker 10 (08:28):
It out, tend at that point starting to blow up
our first year there still still remember it's funny. I
just pulled up the game played Stude Masks when they
was ranked number one in the country where they was
on the twenty twenty five game win Street, you know,
and on our way to the final four.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And uh, even then, man, you know, we were just.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
Out there trying to figure it out, competing, trying to
get our name out, you know, and trying to do
the best we could. But it wasn't til that second
year when they really set in what what COS basketball
was all about, and you know was able to go
that that sophomore year, and man, it was crazy because
going there and playing Vanderbilt the first round and then
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you know, eventually seeing UCLA in the second round. Man,
it was an awesome experience. Nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
You know when you see them, you see those team names,
you see them guys you know that are on the
big stage every night. And then you got a mid
major like Xavier, they you know, one of the schools
like that, you know, playing them schools, man, you know
it really, you know, motivates you to want to go
out there and perform your best. And you know we were,
you know, pretty fortunate to get that first one against Vanderbilt,
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had a tough one with UCLA there in that second round,
but overall, man, I mean, it's nothing like playing in
SA tournament. I remember looking at a sheet of the
attendance from one of the games. I think it was
in our junior and we played Washington and there were
like twenty five thousand people at the game.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It didn't seem like you really couldn't see them, but uh,
you know, to be playing in front of that type
of crowd and you know all the TV cameras there.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Man, Yeah, yeah, hey for mind. How about your experience.
I know you you've enjoyed some success at the University
of Dayton lead your team to two n C Double
A experiences, and I know that's a big deal to
to the fly and faithful. Just can you can you
talk to us and explain to us what the energy
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was like surrounding the team and you going into the
tournament for the for that first time, checking into the hotels,
going to the little uh events and stuff. You know,
can you kind of tell our viewers and listens what
that feeling felt like?
Speaker 11 (10:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Man, I mean it feels like how it looks. I mean,
you know when you before you get there, you know,
you're seeing all the cameras everywhere, the people, so you know,
you kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Like feel like that rock star.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
You know, you got police escorting you everywhere, five star
hotels all that. For the Faithful, you already know how
it was cobD. I mean that was like, you know,
dating is everything in that city, you know what I'm saying.
So you know, it was one of them things where
you know, they everywhere you went, they was praising you,
you know, congratulating you. The one thing about it, you know,
Dayton has had a tradition of winning, and so you know,
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once we got to that point where we was able,
especially that first year, I felt like we had a
squad that could really go somewhere because lose the four
seed that year, and you know, you know, after really
making it there and seeing how everything went down, man,
it was just more like it just gives you that
like I got to get back to this, Like you
don't want like the whole n I T and all that.
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I mean, I'm a winner, so I ain't you lie,
I don't even want to do none of that. So
you know, like once you get there, bro, it's like
a whole other feeling that that you know, everybody calling
you that you ain't even know you had even knew
you cousins everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So it definitely was experience.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Man.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
It's something that I think every college player needs to
experience because you know, once you get that feeling, man,
you don't want to go down at any point.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and I'm gonna piggyback all something you said, Lamar,
because I remember one particular year when we won twenty two,
I think twenty two games, and we we won the
regular season Atlantic ten title and then we sitting there
selection Sunday, then our name came up as one of
the first four teams who bubble burst. So we was
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that that four out. You know, they didn't have to
play in games back then, so we used to floor
out and we had to go to the n T Tournament.
I just remember just my energy and enthusiasm played the
n I T, which yeah, I mean it was at
an all time low, man, because you know, you were
just so close to going going to the to the
big dance, and then you know, you go to the
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n I T.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's definitely a buzz kill.
Speaker 11 (12:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Just one little tad bit.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
My freshman year with Tony Stanley, we made it to
the n i T right, so we ain't want to go.
So we tried to give with op Oliver Panel and
tell him that we ain't want to play, and his
wife told us that he was had too much wine
and he wouldn't meet with because he knew we weren't
trying to go. And we ended up playing and getting
all the way to the to the to the game
to go to New York and we played the Detroit
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team with with Shard Phillips.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And uh, what's my man named coach for New Orleans?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Green? Okay, okay more Green?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Is it? More? No?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The coach? What's the coach for New Orleans right now.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Willie Green, Willie Green, there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, And man, they we couldn't dealing with Sean Phillips,
but it was funny because we would. We was not
trying to mess the n I T at all. So
I know that, Phil, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And and following tell to you following, I know you had.
I mean, you had an awesome experience, you know in
your n c Double A tournament run. You know, and
experience that too many college ball players just don't ever
get to experience. So can you kind of tell our
views and listeners about your experience playing in the NCAA
tournament and leading your team to a final four.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
No, it was remarkable, man. I still take tell a
lot of people to this day.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Man.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
I played sixteen years in Europe and the most fun
I had playing basketball was at George Mason University. Man,
and it's only because of that that run we made,
Because I mean, I get it, Dave in Xavier at
the times they were men majors, but we were truly
like we were in the c a A, the Colonial
Athletic Association, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We we got an at large bid.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
We weren't supposed to get that. We didn't even win
our conference that year, you know what I mean. And
it was just crazy how we got the ad large bed.
So everybody's already saying, look, they shouldn't even have been
in the tournament. We should have got another team from
the SEC or the ACC, like they just won't. They
just gonna get role run in the first round. And
I mean, we just use that as motivation, you know
what I mean. We used as motivation. As christ Monroe
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would know. We had our starting five. We had five
guys from the d m V area and I always
consider the d I mean again, no shade anybody else,
but I considered d MV area having the best time
in basketball in the country.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And we just went out there and we played like that.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
We were gritty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
We we we just played hard, We shared the ball,
and we beat On our run to the final four,
we beat three previous NCAA champion champions, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
We and then we beat Yukon, who won the.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
Champion the championship championship the year before. We beat North Carolina.
I'm sorry, we beat North Carolin who won a championship
to be year before we beat.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yukon who won the championship two years prior to that.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
And then we beat Michigan State in the first round,
who won the championship you know, three years, four years
prior to that.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So uh again, man, that run we had, Man, it
was special.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
And then again you got a small team in Fairfax,
Virginia who is always confused with g W George Washington
or the confused us with you know James, you know,
George George Madison. Because of James Madison and v A.
There was no respect, you know what I mean at all,
you know what I mean, And we just went with
a chip on our shoulder and played well, played hard.
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I know, Umar brought up you know, the police escorts
and the five star hotels and that was all great.
But when we got to the final four and the
shoot around, the shoot around we had it was twenty
thousand people watching shoot around.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And you gotta remember we a small school in Fairfax, Virginia.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
We got at that that year, we had maybe three thousand,
four thousand people max at.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Our games, you know what I mean, Like we getting
we had a shoot around.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Like hold on, I'm like like at this point, we
just in alle of just being there and it's like
that all that hard work we put in you all
throughout the year and it showed, you know what I
mean when that run to the Final four and then
obviously playing the Final four game and having eighty thousand
people at the at the game and you.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Know nationwide, like just putting George Mason on the map.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
Man, it really meant everything to myself because again, I
definitely had some bigger schools offering, but again and it showed,
and I tell a lot of you know, the kids
that I worked with, Look, go go to schools where
you you you're gonna play right away and they're gonna
appreciate you, and you're gonna have a chance to get
to the tournament. That's all it was about. It was
about having a chance to get to the tournament. And
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then after that anything is possible.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
We we showed that.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
One of the things I want to say about the
George Mason too, man, y'all loved up and was able
to get I think it was the Elite eight or
something like that at the crib at the crib, so
y'all was right, y'all had that y'all was at the crib,
so y'all had a lot of following. I mean, it
was like the whole city started, you know what I'm saying,
rooting for y'all and stuff like that. Y'all was a
team and to have that, I think it was the
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Elite eight, but I'm not mistake it was a sweet
sixteen game.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
At that time was the Rising Center and that's down
the street from Fair Factory.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I don't know if you remember following, but Big Bro,
who was our you know, obviously a family and other
show Shawn springs to y'all before, uh, y'all, Yeah, Big
Bro spokes to y'all before the before the game.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, it was definitely a lot of love. Man.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Again, I'm assuming they didn't think we was gonna make
it that far.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's why they had the games there.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But we ended up, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Getting to the Sweetly team like that.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
That's a home game for them, so yeah, you know,
the fans chairing for us. And not to mention yu
kont at that time, they were the number one overall
team in the country and they had six guys get
drafted that year. We didn't have one player get drafted
in the NBA. Yukon had six players five in the
first round and.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
One in the second round.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Yeah, and two of them were lottery picks, Rudy Gay
and I want to say either Hill, either Hill Strong
or Josh Boom one of them. But then they also
had markets with like they had they had a star
study team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So now it was a remarkable one man, that's dope.
That's dope.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And you know dog Dune our era when we came up,
you know, that's when the n C n C Double
A tournament was tagged marsh Madness. It was a lot
of hooplog around the tournament, a lot of excitement around
the tournament.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But Uncle Daryl, you and I we talked offline a
couple of days ago regarding your experience going into the
n C Double A before they was tagged marsh Madness,
and it wasn't and and it wasn't as much I
guess pushed behind it and much you know, that excitement
behind it like it is now.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Can you talk to our.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Views of listeners about your experience playing at Western Kentucky
and leading your team to an n C Double A
tournament to the sweet sixteen at that.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You mute your mute. We can't hear you. We can't
hear you. Can't.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I'm gonna let you get your your audio right, and
I'm I'm gonna move move to christ. Then we don't
we don't we when we don't come right back to you. So, Chris, Chris,
I know, you know when you was at g W
that was more like those those years was transitional, you know,
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it was you know, and uh and when I played
in the A ten, you know, we played against some
really good GW teams led by Sean Tay Rodgers and and.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know, they they made their runs.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
And then and then your your er came in and
I mean you, I mean, without being said, I mean
you the all time league scored. So you guys came
in with the superstar players, include my little Brovile Brown
that was with you for a little while at g
W two.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So tell us about.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
The that the challenges that you all had in your
in your attempt and representing Atlantic ten in the n
C double.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Oh man, I think that's one of the things that
I always look back at my college career and I'm like,
you know, we were so close, right, you know, me
and Val came in. We was Dean you know the
top three backcourt. You know, you had Jason Williams and
they guys and and and we were putting up numbers
that were extraordinary, and me and val had a vision.
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Val went to GW because of me. I went to
GW because of Val you know. And Tom Penders brought
us in and he was a you know, he was
a coach that was successful put out pros and he
was at Texas before, so he had a representation in
the tournament and so he was building something at GW.
And he only had three years at GW, so I
had two years with him. He had that one year
with Shante and the before where they went to the tournament.
I believe they lost to Duker Indiana that year before
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I came in. So it was a rebuilding process with
me and Mike King and everybody else coming in. Shante
had just graduated, and so you know, we was rebuilding
for two years. That sophomore year that year, uh because
you know, Valvo left for the pros his sophomore year
and then I came in and we was just holding
it down.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
We had a lot of d m V talent coming
and we had Mike King from Baltimore. We had T. J.
Thompson that was there. We had a lot of people
from the team Assault that was supposed to come in
and kind of help us get to that level. But
we also had guys that a lot of people knew,
like a Tiller Cosby, right, you know who was the
top five player coming out of Oak Hill Academy. You know,
he was on the team. So it was me vow
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at Tila UH and then we had some other guys
from outside at Phillis and I think we were just close.
I think, you know, we were right at the cusp.
We lost the temple that year when I was supposed
to go to the tournament. We lost to Lynn Greer
And I see Lingrid today up there in Philly live.
Greer is a bad boy. But you know, we were
right there, you know what I'm saying. And and and
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I always think back to what would it be like
if I was still had my junior year, if I
was to have val a Teller and everybody. You know,
we went through some controversy at UH at GW, you know,
the coaching change, and they brought in Carl Hobbs that
came from Yukon, and so we you know, we lost
that whole recruiting class myself going into my junior year
where everybody d committed, and so I was really left
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there with me and t J. Thompson. And the only
reason t J. Thompson came back to GW was because
I stayed and I knew him because we was a
part of the same AAU program, right, So that's what
kept me me solid. And right after that, you know,
you got you know, my senior year, we got Pops
and my call to NBA guys, you know JR. Pennock,
the last guy that got drafted from GW who went
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fifty eight to the Lakers, you know what I mean.
And you know we got car Led and those guys
that came in. But you know we would We were
right there. And that's one of the things I always
look back for when I missed it, because I was
in that transition, right I was. I could have went
to the tournament. I could have went with Coach brand
Notre Dame and when he gave me the invite, but
I didn't know I was. I'm a hometown boys, oh
would tell you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I love the fact that I had my people being
able to just catch the metro and come to the
game and everybody, you know, the neighborhood effect. But you know,
I always think about how close we were to being
in ancday tournam and we had to dogs to do damage.
Similar to George Mason and how that they had dogs.
The d n V has dogs, uh, And you put
us in any kind of landscape, whether it's you know,
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the list of on football or basketball. We produce dogs
that produce under pressure, right, because in this area and
the d m V area is you know, it's like
you know, uh, the pressure, you produce diamonds. And I
think we get a lot of talent from this area
because it's so small and the competition is so fierce
that when you put us in opportunities to uh with
that with that light is bright, that tournament, that tournament light, right,
(24:31):
I think that we exceed we we we produced and
it doesn't You don't have to be first team All
Washington Post or anything. You could be you know, first
team Morcomber County, first team pg d C and you're
gonna you you're a dog. So that's one of one
of the main things that I missed. I missed out
on but the you know GW was in that transition
at that point in time.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, And I want to expand on something that you said.
I mean, I already explained the illustrious career that you
had and you putting GW on your back and you know,
getting the most out of that team, trying to reach
your goal. A player like you that was one of
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the best players in the A ten, one of the
best players in the country with the numbers that you
put up, you know, making the NCAA tournament puts you
on the stage where the rest of the United States
would have been able to see who Chris Monroe is
and what type of work that you're putting in out
there on the court. So fast forward, like now in
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today's environment, which you have taken advantage of the transfer portal,
if that was available to you back then.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
You know right now when you talk about the transfer portal,
what I'm seeing it has a lot to do with
money too, right. I came up under that era where
you know, you were your AAU coach or your your
high school coach would look at the program that you
were going to and be like, this fits your game.
I think a lot of the student athletes nowadays are
just chasing the bag, the money and the name and
not looking at what the coach's system is like, right,
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because not everybody can play in every system. That's that's
the problem that a lot of these players are running
into where they they come from an AAU culture where
they're able to dribble when they need four or five
six dribbles to score, when you know or you know
things like that. So I give a perfect example. I
look at like somebody like Juan Dixon, Right, Juan Dixon
was great in that flex system at Maryland.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He wasn't a one on one guy. He wasn't a
Steve Francis. Steve Francis with Steve Francis, Right, But you
had Wan Dixon. You got him coming off of screens
and picking pops. He gonna kill you if you don't
get around there. He gonnat you eat you up because
he had that IQ was smart. Steve Francis. You, he's
so shifty, you know, you're trying to stay in front
of the seat. We just gonna iso that side, right,
And you got to get with a coach that identifies
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with that and that's within his system, or he's gonna
allow you to do that. I went to g W
because Tom Pennis was a guard coach and he was like, listen,
if you can get a bucket, go get a bucket.
And so that's why Val as a freshman was able
to average twenty four points, you know, and almost led
the nation and scoring as a freshman. And that's why
I was able to do what I was able to
do numbers wise, because we ran a motion set. We
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were ahead of time and we was very active. Now,
if it was more of a half courset like Jarvis,
I don't think I would have done what I would
have been able to do, right, because Jarvis was slowing down.
He was a half court set and that was his game,
you know, that fit of Mike King, right, So I
just I look at it now where a lot of
players are just looking at the name of the school.
They're looking at the money that the nil can give
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them and ain't hopping in the portal for that. But
they're not really happy where they're going because a lot
of these kids are missing, missing the number, missing the
opportunity of getting with a program or going to a
mid major, playing for a Tony Skin, playing for a
Cristalpudo and them allowing you to showcase your skills, which
some are taking advantage of. Right. You see a lot
of these mid major kids playing putting up good numbers,
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like the kid from the Kid Harper from Howard, Right,
he went there. He wasn't on nobody radar in high school.
He grew a couple of inches. He now all rookie everything, right,
and they're talking about them, right. So you got to
look at that and say, do I want to go
to a mid major, a big school and sit on
the bench and just get the in our money or
can I really go to a school like Howard, g
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W or some of these other places and really showcase
my skill set and get to the right situation for me.
And so yeah, this this this portal, this situation with
the portal is a lot different than when when when
I was when I was playing. You know, it's it's
it's uh, it's something that these cads need to be
educated on.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Absolutely, Uh, Uncle Darryl back to you, You got your
audio straight, I believe, so can you hear me? Yeah, yeah,
we can hear you, lon click. So So back to
the original question. Uh, as I stated, you know, we
we talked offline and you know, the hooplar around the
marsh Madness n C Double A turnament wasn't the same
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as it is now, and I wanted you to just
kind of talk to our viewers and listeners about your
experience playing playing in the NCAA tournament, what it meant
to you and your teammates, and then making it to
the Sweet sixteen to play against Magic Johnson.
Speaker 12 (29:11):
Well, it was a great experience, but it was a
big difference I played in nineteen seventy eight where there
was no three point shooting. Also, we had a big crowd.
I loved to play in front of the crowd. We
had a small team Westing Stuck had a small team
and our first game was Syracuse, which was we were
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the underdogs, definitely the underdogs. The tallest man I had
was what six seven and a half I believe on
my team was six seven and a half. And they
had a hell of a zone. They played the two
to one two one. They pushed as far out, pushed
as far out. But as far as the experience just
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being there, being on that stage, I had good memories
and I have some bad memories. The good memories are
that I was on that particular stage, the bad memories.
I had two bad games, you know, and I wish
I had two good games, but I didn't.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
So they didn't see me at my best. They didn't
see me at my best.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Uh that's right.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Most people come on here and be like, yeah, I
dropped forty and I had a.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Right and I didn't drop forty. But like I said,
it was all my shots are three points. You know,
I averaged sixteen point four, so if it was three points,
I didn't average thirty six points a game.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
But again, I mean that's facts, strictly facts.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
But we played against When we played against Magic, I
think my coach didn't want to play Kentucky. Kentucky won
a championship that year, and I think it was a
kind of political thing.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I really believe it was.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
Because our coach put.
Speaker 12 (30:53):
Us in at one three one zone against Michigan State
in the second half. The first half, I was all
their Magic Jack all in his jocket. Mage wouldn't shoot it.
Then it was a passer slipped the passer. But they
put us in the one three one zone in the
second half, and I couldn't figure it.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
I couldn't figure that out.
Speaker 12 (31:10):
They had me running from one corner to the other
corner on the baseline, magic up front, just picking us all,
picking us all, calcling was coming this picking us all.
But to be to be truthful, I really believe that
the n C Double A it is, as y'all know,
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but one of the greatest stages to be in for
an amateur. For amateur to be on and again seventy
eight in the day's time, it's a big difference. March
madness is what it is and and the being. It
was a great opportunity. I was glad to be in it.
I just wished, uh I had a couple of good
games there.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Basically, yeah, I looked up. I looked up your stats
in that Michigan State game. You put up your shots.
You he was you six with oneing uh six for
twenty but hey you got your Yeah, my brother, they
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pushed me. They pushed me all the way to the baseline, always.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
The half court. What did they push you to half court?
To great just just about just about. They had a
hell of the hell.
Speaker 11 (32:27):
They had a hell of a two one two z on.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But you say, lay on that shoe and there for twenty.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
But but in your defense to what you said about
you you being there in Magic jogging at first said
Magic was only three for seventeen in that game.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So I got a salute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
at the job.
Speaker 11 (32:46):
I was in a job.
Speaker 12 (32:48):
Well I ain't, no doubt, but you ain't for twenty
I can't remember that. That's too far back for me.
I got to look at him by.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Hey, Oh in Western Kentucky? Is that you know they
got movie all is that? Is that the same school
that they had the movie all about the People? Uh?
The school Western Kentucky where they had the old where
they started the first five.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Black Uheico, No, that's in Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
That's Texas.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Oh that's yeah.
Speaker 12 (33:16):
Yeah, that's a big difference, big difference. But again it
was a great experience, and I know all the guys
enjoyed that experience too.
Speaker 11 (33:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
So did you get the same experience with the with
the police escorts and all that.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh y'all just yes, we did, Yes, we did. We
had all that.
Speaker 12 (33:36):
We ate good, we slept good, the women were there,
we we we had a good time.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
Man, we had a good time.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yes.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, like it is, man, that's how it was.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, but I know Kobe.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I know Kobe asked the question to Chris, but I
would like for all y'all to come in, you know,
starting off with you glunk about the transport portal because
a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Of y'all did go to men, men majors, and you know,
I understand.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
And the one thing that y'all everybody said on here
that it was about that experience as far as playing
on a big time stage. So my question of all
y'all is, okay, take y'all in this day and age,
would you try I heard what Chris said, and that
sound good right about the you know, being with the
right system, Chris Monroe, we grew up together, Chris, knock
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it off. So being with the right system, and I
get all that, But when somebody.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Offering you one point whatever or.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Five hundred thousand or whatever, a lot of times they
not bringing you over there to get on to be
on the bench. And if you did, if you do
your homework right and you do yours, then you know
where to go and where not to go.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
So my question to you, to all of you.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
All, would you have gone if you had the opportunity,
And like what Chris said, the right coach in the
right system. Would you have gone in the transport portal
or would you have stayed at your particular school.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Oh, let me jump in real quick. Let me let
me let me clarify. Like you when you talk about
that money in the system, these kids still got to produce, right,
you go hunt your own system, you go to the
wrong system. They look at they listen, they will tell
you like they got boosts. Is the way this thing
is set up is you got collectives that influenced the
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A D and the coaches because now they're paying for
the players, right, and the players still the players still
have to produce out there, right, but they don't produce,
then they are going to be told one way or another,
like your your your nil deals not for four years,
some of them do for four years. Something do for
a year? Right, So when you so a lot of
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these kids when they if it was me and there,
like I'm looking at it like all right, just like
following can tell you overseas you're you're a player for hire, right, what.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You do that year you only.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
As good as your last year, right, So my value
that following year is only gonna be what it is.
So if I if I don't produce. I mean, I
get that bread next year, and now I'm that situation.
Speaker 11 (36:18):
So I got you.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. But yeah,
hold on, let's let go worse and then we're gonna
get to a trust. We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Okay, I got you.
Speaker 12 (36:31):
So you know, when I first started, money wise, that's
a big factor. Uh, most guys today would definitely take
the money, but I think he had a very good point.
You want to go somewhere where you can play your game.
You want to go somewhere where you're comfortable and do
your thing. I mean, it's just that simple. But the
money definitely changes the whole game. I started in the
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junior college and in Florida won the state championship and I
went to New York to visit Luke Connosaki at uh
at Saint John's and he thought I was from Florida,
but I'm from the DNV. I'm from from Alexandria. I
got off the plane with a free with a three
piece suit on. When he thought I was a country boy,
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which I'm not, which I'm not. But anyway, when I
got off the plane, he shook my hand and when
he shook my hand. It was something in my hand.
He had five one hundred dollars bills in my hand,
you know. But that that blew my mind, That shocked me,
you know. And then he set up this big old party,
this big old party for me and so forth. And
but I would have to sit out a whole year
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if I stayed with Saint John.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
That's why I didn't go to Saint John.
Speaker 12 (37:43):
But again, the money factor again is a big as
a big game changer. These guys got to go. I'm sorry,
but they have to. Those that go for the money,
I'm not upset with them. My hat off to you,
but you do want to go somewhere where you can
play your game. If you can't play your game, not
gonna be happy. Like the brother said, you don't produce,
she ain't gonna get that money no more.
Speaker 11 (38:04):
You know. Got that's a hush.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And I'm out. So so check this out.
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Probably about about six months ago, right, I talked to
one of the assistant coaches that coached me and Zaviy.
He's at Saint Bonaventure, Mark Smith. He made a comment
we was talking, he was he was.
Speaker 14 (38:27):
Just kind of mentioning how how the whole, you know,
nil he goes and all. And he was talking about
how he had lost some players because you know, players
that were okay, they weren't even great, they were okay.
And whereas they might get off for fifty grand and
a car at Saint Bonaventure, you know, they were going
to like USC It's like southern California and getting four
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hundred grand in a car.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
So when I look back on that, I was thinking
about this, and he said it.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
He was like, if you and Lenny and Poles were
in this era, y'all had have been gone after your
freshman year, right, y'all would have went somewhere because we
was competitive. You know. I'm listening to the DMV guys,
and I feel, y'all like coming from little small Delaware,
you know, as a guard and playing against I'm like, yo,
I trust my instincts anywhere, like I can go play anywhere, right,
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and I'm gonna go compete, and I'm gonna play like
the coach, like I'm gonna make the coach playment because
I'm gonna produce.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But I'm going to get that money, y'all. I listen,
it sounds good. It was too many days that I
was in that dorm with no money.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Meanwhile, a number twelve Savior jersey is being sold, like
fifteen of them being sold.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I'm not seeing any of that money.
Speaker 9 (39:43):
It wasn't no last name on it back then, right,
because they couldn't put our names on the back, so
they would just telling them about the bookstore. So you
see fifteen jerseys and none of that money touches your hands.
Meanwhile I'm in my door starving because my meal money
ran out, right, So now to go from that to
all of a sudden, I got a chance to go
meet even one hundred grand a year, like, it's life changing,
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man for me.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I think that's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I feel your love same question with you.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Remind yeah, man, I will say this far as after
my junior year when we had the hell of a year,
Op went to Clemson, and a lot of people don't
know this. He hollered at me and wanted me to
go to Clemson and help him build his program.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But at the time, you.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Know, I had got MVP and I had some NBA
Scotts on Men stuff, so and I thought that we
was getting Ron Jersey as the head coach. So I'm like,
now I'm gonna stick around law you got this time,
and plus we had to sit out that one year,
you know what I'm saying, And so I didn't want
to set up my senior year. But like they said,
for as if the money was different, because they you know,
he threw out a little number, but it wasn't the
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numbers that it is now.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
So if it was the numbers it was now.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
How I look at it is if you like a
top draft pick, Okay, you look at system and all that,
so you can see where you're gonna, you know, possibly
put yourself.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
For as the draft. But if you just kind of right.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
There cheetering, if you're gonna make it or not, man,
go get every last bit of that money you can,
because you know by it just like them girls are
doing right now. They ain't getting that money in another
b NBA, which is to me like the same tier
as a big type guy coming into the league.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
So you get as much as you can.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
And if you got to play afford theferent universities, oh well,
you know what I'm saying, Because you got guys like
Bangkok that was at Carolina. He he got a hotel. Now,
so even if he don't really ever make it to
the NBA, he don't put himself in a position where
you know he good. So I definitely would say, yeah,
I would dip to you know, don't get me wrong.
(41:37):
If it's just a great situation, you already somewhere that
they really gonna look out cool, but.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Nah, you got you gotta take advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Absolutely filing with your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I mean, I agree with Lump and remad man.
Speaker 8 (41:52):
It's difficult with this day and age, with the money
that's being thrown out.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
And also you got to look at him.
Speaker 8 (41:59):
Man, a lot of these players man like their parents
ain't making that type of money, so they play a
factor in it, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
What I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Like, you know, my dad or my mom is making
forty thousand, you know, sixty thousand a year.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Somebody school is offering you two hundred k.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
Like, hold on, I can give my mom forty, I
can give my dad forty and I'm still good. Like
it's just so much you think about when you know,
you enter that portal, you know what i mean, And
I'm just thinking about it, like I do love the
fact that I you know, I spent four years at Mason,
I can talk to the alumni, I can talk to
the donors.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
There's a relationship that we have. It's not that that
doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Like there's no relationship with alumni, there's no relationship with donors,
because again, one kid will come in one.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Year for a fifth year and he's out of there,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
Or one kid that come there, there's no relationship with
the alumni, donors, players anymore. But again, when the money's
being thrown at you and somebody said, okay, look you
had a good year at Mason, Like after the final four,
I averge seventeen in the tournament, I'm like, and I'm
out of it. Like another bigger school is gonna come
knock and fit or not, I'm gone. You offered me
five hundred k, like the money that it might not
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have been the same back then, but it's just too
much money being thrown And now that I again that
I played in Europe, you know what I mean, it's like,
hold on, you still probably making more money in college.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I'm talking about now. Now.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
Back then it was different, but now you probably still
won't make more money than you make here than in Europe,
you know what I mean, Like it's only a select
few that's playing in the euro leagues and change like
Chris and what whoever else played in Europe. You got
to play with the top teams and be making that
top figure money. But you can make that in college now,
and that's what's crazy.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
So that's my take on it.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, awesome, old dog. Oh go ahead, go ahead, Chris, No, Chris.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
I was gonna let Chris finish because Chris started.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
Yeah. My my take on it is like you get
that kid who just playing the McDonald's All American Game,
he got seven million right in il Bread, right when they.
Speaker 13 (44:00):
Offering that kind of money. That that's life changing.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
That that is you put that, You take a million
dollars for yourself, You put six million into something that's
gonna give you six percent return, and you don't break
your principal in that six million, and you're gonna get
a guaranteed three three hundred and sixty thousand dollars a
year off of six percent. Right, that's enough for your mama,
your daddy and everybody to live off for three hundred cakes,
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especially if they making forty fifty thousand, sixty thousand dollars
a year. That is that is that is just common
cent off that Now, when you're talking about four or
five three two one hundred thousand dollars, right, that's not
life changing money. It may be for some for a
short period of time, especially what they're gonna use the
money for. Right, So a lot of them, I think
a lot of things that we're talking about, we need
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to also look at it's on a case by case basis.
The way I was looking at it and the way
I would look at it is like me, me and
my mom, we good, like she good, I'm good. I
take a little money. I wasn't starving. None of us
was starving. We all bet on us. If everybody on
this call bet on ourselves, we had that in us.
Is like what I did this year, I can do
next year, especially if you're in the same system. Right,
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So if you offer me five hundred k to day,
I'm gonna have the same system, same league, same network.
I burn it up even more. I'm gonna be worth
a million that following you. That's the way I'm looking
at it, right, And then that is a little bit
of different. That's me betting on myself and that's a
little bit different bread. Where if I get to a
million dollars, you give me a million dollars. Where me
and my mom good. I'm used to not having no money.
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I came from no money. I'm used to eating hot
dogs and PV and J's for lunch. I'm good. That
means my little my mom, who making forty thousand dollars.
That million dollars is in a bucket that I don't
even touch because my coach is gonna make sure I'm good.
We still getting fed, Like I mean, granted Dayton exhibit. Listen,
y'all all, y'all was good, Like everybody was not gonna
go hungry. Some people did, but y'all coaches was not
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gonna do, especially if y'all were producing, you know what
I'm saying. So I think at the end of the day,
we really got to look at it in the way
I was looking at at it is more and so like, look,
seven million, you're talk about a million dollars. You don't
break that principle. You earn't interest on it. It pays
for itself, It pays for you, It pays to put
your mom on Like like a million dollars gets you
six easy, six percent get you sixty thousand dollars a year.
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If your mom ain't making that, she's making twenty she
working at McDonald's, Wendy's.
Speaker 13 (46:20):
Whatever, look you good, you win it. So that was
just my take on it.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
I mean, yeah, if the money's good, but the only
way I'm able to get that money is in the
system that allowed me to showcase my talent. If I
can no longer showcase my talent and I get that
two hundred, that hundred, the one hundred and fifty or
whatever I may get for this one year and I
don't see the floor, what is my value after that?
Speaker 13 (46:42):
And I'm a sophomore right right, so what is.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
My value at that point in time? Nobody going out
to have no tape and guess what, There's somebody else
they like, Oh we can you know, we see value
in him.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And then here's another thing.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
A lot of people not taking an account that when
you are a fan favorite following you, you notice if
you're a fan favorite, to the boosters, to the alumni,
you're setting yourself up down the line. So a lot
of people probably not thinking that way. They think about
the money, see the money, but when you talk about
life changing money. Hear me clearly the million dollars in plus. Yes,
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you gotta you gotta move how you gotta move close?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
He was, and he was cooking so much, heeding.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
What's up? What's that?
Speaker 7 (47:34):
Big bro?
Speaker 5 (47:35):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (47:36):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Do you got.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Anything to say about it? Would you have gone to it?
Coming out of East Carotlinta.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
You know we're going on recruit trips.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
We we you know, we played football, you know a
little different, you know, a little sport. But uh, would
you have a trap? Well you already transfer, but what
you have gone to the transfer port?
Speaker 5 (47:56):
I was out?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Okay, question about.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
See a lot of a lot Yeah, see a lot
of people talk about the money aspect of things. And
and what I'm saying is, I think we all have
a passion to go to the next level, to show
our skill set at that next level as well. You
know what I'm saying. It's one thing that it's one
thing to play in the in the med Major. But
if I'm playing at the back, let's let's go back
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in the day in the a c C.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
I'm getting a chance to show my skill set in
the a c C. Every night, you know, I think
that's a I think that's one of the good things
about the transfer Portal as well, you know, if you
talk about that, So.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
I think the best thing about it is like when
I left, I had to set out, So that's why
I went down. I was like, I don't want to
sit out because you know, I was coming off to
atl Yeah, I had a health freshman year. But you
know when I talk about al and they was like,
you got to say out next year if you go,
because you know it's West Virginia, Tennessee. I had a
couple of places I could have went. I was like,
I just want to play. So that's why I went down.
(48:56):
But I definitely I definitely would have took it if
it was if it wasn't no time out, Amen, no
time out. I wasn't building this car right now. I
wouldn't build this car right now. I wouldn't I wouldn't
have been we would have never lived together together, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And that's the good thing about the trains from Portal.
You don't have to sit out.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
I think my mom maybe mentioned that about when your
boy left and with the Clinton and you're like, well,
I don't want to sit out because I'm hot right now.
You know that's the you don't have to sit out.
Speaker 8 (49:28):
So yeah, that's not in my opinion, you know what
I mean, because everybody's thinking what you just thought. And
now I was like, oh, I'm putting my name in
the portal, but you got so it's only by so
many scholarships of them.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
You know, I think I think I had a good year,
but a lot of other schools don't think I had
a good year. Now I'm sing like, mam, I'm like,
but do something in that.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
It's a lot of you know people that's jumping in there.
But it's no different than when I told my mother
that I wanted to leave East Carona. She said, you
ain't gonna make you see that, she said, but understanding
that if you leave dead, you got to have don't
leave there without nowhere else to go. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you can leave, and I'm a point
you leaving, but East Carolina'm paying for your schools, so
if you leave it, you better have somewhere else to go.
(50:19):
He's gonna jumping the portal. We nowhere to go, you
know what I'm saying. So I don't want to restrict
they movement because they ain't restricted coaches movement. You know
what I'm saying, coach get to do whatever they want.
I'm glad the kids get to do whatever they want.
For years, coaches been getting rid of kids as they
see fit. And now that the kids got some power,
now the coaches got a problem with the portal. You know,
(50:40):
it's no loyalty. Now everybody here played with somebody that
they coach ran off, you know what I'm saying, because
the coach didn't want them. So now that the kids
can leave when they want to, it's a problem. Nah,
I think it's great, like get them. I don't now
if you jumping that portal and you ain't got no options,
you just made a bad decision, you know what I'm saying.
And sometimes you got to eat a shit sandwich until
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you can go somewhere else and eat something better. But
if you ain't got nowhere to go, don't jump in
the portal. But if you got op, you call on
if you want to.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, we will say you need to do something about
that portal.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
Because I don't know if y'all heard Rick Potino, he
said he ain't even paying attention to not one high
school player, and so you know, I think it needs
to be maybe maybe a restriction on how many portal
guys you can get, because it's like, you got kids
they can't even get into school because they're not even
even giving you a chance. Matter of fact, they even
asked him if they had a five star recruit from
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high school, but he hollered at him and he said no.
He said he don't think he can win with guys
from high school. So I think something needs to be
at least been put in place on that. But maybe
the number that you can have each year or something,
because I mean, you know, for guys come out of school, man,
that's really important.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
I think that's bullshit because people been winning with high
school kids for a hundred years. You know what I'm saying,
Like people been high school has been playing you know
what I'm saying, They've been playing against broom man, So.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
It is crazy.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
I ain't mean to cut you off, but I don't
know if y'all saw Indiana, Uh, their coach, I think
he got fired or something happened, and they got their
whole their whole basketball team, the whole, the whole basket
of a girl, the whole basketball team in the transfer
for they don't have one remaining player that was on
that team last year.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
The whole team happened to Kentucky last year.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
That happened to year, said, man, it was it was
just a funked up distrunctional environment.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
It was like, right, I'm I'm I'm not not enough.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
You talking to the first person.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
So I look, I'm they've been knowing, they've been knowing
since December that everybody was leaving, you know what I'm saying,
Like all the kids were saying, Man, after this season,
I'm out, I ain't no more, I ain't fucking with Woody. Well,
I don't give the bringing after them. It was like
the whole team ain't with it, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah yeah yeah, because you know, back in the day transferring, yeah.
Speaker 11 (53:15):
We're making that money. They should get it.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Absolutely, absolutely absolutely and also be able to go to
where they need to go to to you know, fully
be happy basketball wise. You know, just back in the day,
it was a determ to transfer. Do you transfer out
the conference? You had to sit out the one year
you transferred within the conference. You had to set out
to two years. So a lot of people who probably
(53:39):
wanted to move on to somewhere that fit the game
even better. They they just held fast because of the
fact they didn't want to sit out. They wanted to
keep bumping, and they just uh you know, kept the
optimism and hoping and hoping things got better.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
But now just transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Man, Not only do you get to leave and go
to somewhere that fits your game, you get to make
some bread while doing it too.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
So I man, I'm loving this new transfer portal in
il system. And uh man, I I was born a
little too early.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Brother.
Speaker 7 (54:13):
Yeah, Hey, besides the besides the money though, besides the money,
which I think about it, because I mean I came
up on hard coaching right now, So so now you
gotta think about the two. A lot of these kids
who ain't have to fight through adversity, they just they
hopping part of that, but they hoping they don't never
have to fight through adversity or had a tough love coach,
(54:35):
where a coach where if you want to slack, you
can slack, and if it don't fit your system, you
can just hop in the portal.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
You know, we.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Don't even Chris, We're not even gonna waste our time.
Excuse my language to our listeners and mules on no.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Ship like that.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Everybody on here is, like you said, is dogs. So
the reason why we're saying that we would transfer, we
would be in the transfert portal to put our.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Family in a better situation or to get on a
bigger stage.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
So that way I can show people, Uh, I'm locking
this person down, holding him only it's a difference of
holding Jock Wait Nunny down from floor there and them
and me holding Johua's green down at University of Florida.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (55:18):
What I'm saying is that there's a level of dog
that's missing. There's a lot of But I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Everybody on this on this podcast, we would we were not.
It ain't even that type of party.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
I agree with you, But I also think that coaches
do hold a little bit of responsibility because everything involves
and you can't you can't do the ship now that
you can do back in the day. So it is
something with some coaching. But you also gotta understand, like
your demographics dealing with I remember when when I was
in high school, like we used to get one water
break doing doing uh doing football practice in two days
(55:58):
and August like you just won. They and then the
coach be mad that you're taking a lot of water,
Like what you doing? You saw them drinking all that water?
You like, damn we drinking water like But that was
that was ship that was acceptable back then, you know
what I'm saying. So I don't think it's you know,
the tough coaching. Yeah, the kids gotta understand, but a
lot of that ship is the culture and as the parents.
(56:18):
Like when kids allowed to jump from a U team
the AAU team because they never had to go unity.
It's one thing, you know what I'm saying, But once
you make that commitment, it's your college. I think that's
something totally different, you know what I mean. Like, I
think you do need to lock in and fight through
some ship. But also coaches have to be accountable to
(56:41):
being able to you know, to be playing, to be
able to coach the players that they have too.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
But they also you know, go ahead, go ahead, got
it now.
Speaker 6 (56:54):
I was just gonna say, you know, the one thing
about it though, I definitely agree with everybody when come
down to coaches can't really get on their ass like
they used to. But you know, the one thing about it,
you gotta adapt in life. And so once they start
putting this money in it, that's out the window.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (57:08):
It's it's like overseass like the NBA, you gotta you
gotta guy for a year or two, and you just
got to make sure that you try to manage things,
cause at this point trying to do all that shit, man,
they gonna look at you like, bro, I'm almost getting
as much as you are, depending on the situation is
or I can go get that. So at the end
of the day, you better just manage it. Be a
Phil Jackson or whatever, all that old school shit that
(57:29):
ain't gonna work no more.
Speaker 8 (57:30):
Mm hmm, go ahead follow And I mean, yeah, it's
too it's two different stories because it's like now you're
remind you right, It's like now I'm treating like professionals,
you know what I mean. Like college coaches. A lot
of them don't want to go to the progs. They
don't want to do it with the prima donnas, you
know what I mean, Like you don't want to deal
with all of that stuff, you know what I mean.
But now on a collegiate level, you gotta deal with that,
you know what I mean? Like you and like Chris said,
(57:52):
like it's hard to coach right, Like I'm looking at
the kid from Saint John's All j.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
You the player of the year, You.
Speaker 8 (57:57):
On one of the best teams in the country, and
you want to leave because Petino's coaching you hard, you
know what I mean, Like it just don't make sense
to me.
Speaker 7 (58:04):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
I get it, You're gonna get your money.
Speaker 8 (58:06):
Somewhere else, but you still on one of the top
teams and you're getting paid.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
But now because the.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
Coach is coaching you hard or how, you don't like
it if he sits you out down and the rest
of the I don't know if it was in the tournament,
what it was. They set him down not to finish
the tournament. But it's like, no, he's trying to teach
you a lesson, But I can't teach you a lesson
because now I feel like if I teach you a lesson,
You're gonna up and leave.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
It just don't make sense.
Speaker 6 (58:27):
You know, I mean, you got an I ain't gonna
lie now if I'm the guy, don't teach me no
lesson or no God damn double a game.
Speaker 11 (58:37):
Don't know what.
Speaker 8 (58:39):
I don't know what the situation was. I don't know
why you set him down. And I don't want to
be talking lesson either. But again, I'm just bringing up
that point.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
It reminds you.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
I feel that, but I don't know what happened.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
You go down, You go down with me. If I've
been to now you gotta go down with me. I
don't care if I'm over for thirty or six for
Twitter like, now you go down with me.
Speaker 7 (59:08):
But that's that, but that, But that's that's also an
understanding that comes with you being with a coach more
than one.
Speaker 13 (59:13):
Yeah, y'all understanding like he like, yo, you my guy.
Speaker 7 (59:15):
Let's you know what I'm saying, like like I'm on
your I'm on you for a good reason. But I
think a lot of times, I think a lot of
times they're not gonna get that. And then also too,
let's not forget the pressures that the coach is going through. Right,
the whole game has changed. Coaches used to be able
to coach as develop a player. I saw you, I
see you, I see following. I'm like I see him.
Speaker 13 (59:33):
I think he needs this, this this.
Speaker 7 (59:35):
To get to where we need him to be or
to get to that next level, because that's we know
that's his ultimate goal. I can no longer coach him
for that. I can no longer put him in position
I am now you got you Now got a twenty
year old telling somebody who has the connections with the
NBA with all that, he's telling him what I'm gonna do,
what I'm gonna do now. And I think that loses
it a bit because coaches, now, from the A D
(59:58):
you got pressure to win, by the way, in fact,
not just from the ad from the collectives. If you
can't win with us paying as player this, then you
need to go, so the coaches. That's why Rick Potino
is like, I'm not looking for high school kids because
the way I need to coach what I need them
to do is unproven. They're not I don't know if
they can handle it. I know this kid who I know,
this coach who coaches this way in this system. He's
(01:00:21):
used to the D one riggers, right, I know what
to expect from him, versus a high school kid who
don't know nothing about it. The game is a little
bit faster, unpredictable. Even if he's a five star. We
know Fox, Just like just like all top college talent
don't make it to the NBA and be successful. All
high school talent that's good don't necessarily translate to successful
(01:00:44):
college players.
Speaker 13 (01:00:45):
And that's where Rick Potino is. He's like, I gotta
win right away.
Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
If I don't win right away, if papul losing season
and Boosters are paying whatever they paying for the nil
and I'm getting paid what is he getting paid?
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Five million, ten million?
Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
What it is?
Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Got time for you?
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
No, right? And so I can't.
Speaker 13 (01:01:02):
Coach you the way they need to be. The game
is different, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Dude, Do y'all think the climate of the n C
Double A took a little bit of the excitement out
of the n C Double A tournament in terms of
how we used to rally around the Cinderella team because
now you don't see the Cinderella teams anymore. So and
I and I start with you following because because you
can specifically speak to it. I mean, you had the
whole country rallying behind George Mason back in six. Do
(01:01:30):
you so you think the climate kind of took it
took a little bit of the pop away from that.
Speaker 8 (01:01:35):
Oh, for sure. Again, you got all these teams, especially
the SEC. That's why they got so many teams in
the tournament. It's just getting paid too much money. Man,
you got all the best players.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Like I get it.
Speaker 8 (01:01:46):
Like guys want to go certain places, like used to
go to do because of the tradition, used to go
to Contains because of the tradition. Right, So like nobody
was going for basketball. Nobody was going there for tradition,
you know what I mean. Like they went to one
final four. But again it's.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
About that anymore.
Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
Like if you got Calipari and even Kentucky to go
to to Arkansas. Kentucky had a tradition Arkansas, Like we
know why he going over there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
He got he got the collective, he got the money,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:02:11):
So it just again, and I don't know when it's
gonna happen or if it's gonna happen, but at some
point you got to say, Okay, look we powered five
school just to they just it's just it's a big difference.
Like you got one collective, they got ten million. You
got one collective, they got you know, five hundred thousand
mid majors. Cool, So it's just it's just it's not either.
Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I said that they got to
they got to do something with the either limit how
many portal transfers you got will also put a cap
on maybe the money. So it's like, all right, each
school can spend this amount of money, so you can
kind of have some balance playing for it. Because like
a school like a Dayton, our president will you know,
put out a statement saying that, you know, they got
(01:02:51):
to start putting that money together because even though we
have got to a place where you know, people know
who we are, but I mean, we ain't one of
the programs that really got that big money right now.
So you know, if if at least some type of
cap or at least a limit on how many you
can get, that may be able to even playing field
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Man.
Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
But but also to add to that, the reason these
men major schools were winning games is because they had
juniors and seniors and fifth year seniors. They don't have that,
Like those guys are leaving to go to these big
time schools. So now you're sophomore junior that you thought
was gonna ride with ride out with you. That was
killing the sophomore year is gonna be their junior senior year.
(01:03:31):
He got his sophomore year. He killed me out. So
now I don't if I'm a Chatanooga you know what
I mean. I've developed players, like Chris said, I've developed
players as a coach, and I'm bringing them into my sister.
Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
By the time they're I'm like, okay, we better but no,
they're gone.
Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
So it's difficult mane that portal.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I mean, it works both ways.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Because you got the guard from Florida Taylor, who nobody
where he came out of school.
Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
You know, nobody wanted them. He was he went, he
wound up going to.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Iona with Rick Patina, right, you know what I mean,
he was a four I think he was a no
star or he was an apologize he was a no
star in basketball, but he was a four star in
football and offers everywhere you can look it up. He
had offers from he had Power five offers, but he
wanted to play basketball. So that's a that's a situation, Chris,
(01:04:21):
when somebody bet on hisself, a fellas where he bet
on hisself, went to Iona, right, did what he was
supposed to do. Rick Mattino leaves, he leaves, he goes
to Florida. Right, So you know that's what I'm saying.
I don't agree with the transfer portal when kids duck
bump and kids run away from bump. But if you
if your ultimate gold is to play on that particular
(01:04:43):
stage and it can get you, you know, and you
and like Chris said, and like we all said, if
you can go to where a coach believes in you,
they're gonna allow you to do your thing, and you
can go to a situation that will benefit you in
your game, then you know, like I said, I I'm
totally for that, But I'm definitely not kids just jumping
in the transfer a portal just to leave because you're
(01:05:05):
not getting playing time and things like that, right, or
you having a disagreement because your coach says, well, you know,
I'm sitting you down, like you said earlier, like what
Patino did with the with the h with the star player.
So you know, it's two sides of the store. But
it's definitely that hard coaching. I think a lot of
these kids are running away from one hundred per Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Well I think that that the ones that those are
ones that getting stuck, those are ones that's not there.
Like if you were sitting on the bench and and
you don't like the coach. You gotta learn how to
deal with that, because who was gonna give you a
scholarship if you only played seventeen minutes off season? You
know what I'm saying. So what's the use of jumping
(01:05:47):
in the portal? That's when you got to develop that
internal forty two to work through some ship because if
you're not playing, you're not you're not attractive, you ain't
getting no offers. I wouldn't get.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, I don't think I wouldn't know anything about not
getting playing time.
Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
So we're going to the next Yes, I don't know
nothing about that.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yeah, and I know we getting were getting late on time,
but we normally played rapid fire towards the end of
the show. But instead of doing the rapid fire, I'm
gonna'm gonna do something a little different. Give you a hypothetical.
So when your stock was the highest in school, your
stock was the highest if you would have were to
(01:06:30):
enter the transfer portal with which you had had transferred to.
You know, and let's start with you following, we'll go
around the horn.
Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
I mean, at that point in two thousand and six
and you know, it's crazy when I I averaged seventeen
points in the tournament only average ten point during the season,
so the stock went up during the tournament.
Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
And I mean, I would have went to any power
fire school.
Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
I ain't gonna lie to you whether it was Kentucky,
whether it was George Georgetown actually was one of my
my dream schools to go to before I chose George Mason.
So it might have been Georgetown just because again it
wasn't it was in the Big East, and you know,
it was a powfied school, so I'd have said, I say, Georgetown, okayma.
Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Uh Well, I originally signed with Georgia, but they had
Jim Herrick, so that's when they went through all the
n CUAA, so I probably wouldn't fuck with them. But
being realistic, I probably would have did that year with
Clemson with coach p and set out a year and
just had that one year in acc and.
Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Just got that Look you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
I think that might have been beneficial because if I
would have known the coach that I would have got
the next year, I definitely would have left.
Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Because Brian Gregory, he ain't look at it all.
Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
You know, when I left out, I'm still all eighteen
all that, and I had the struggle I ain't he
told me, I ain't had no workouts, no nothing, So
I don't really think he was speaking good on me
at all.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I don't know how that went, but uh yeah, I
definitely probably would have went to Clemson, though, nor did.
Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You there with you where a utilize the transferred portal
when your stock was.
Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
The highest.
Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
Without a doubt, Big East, anywhere in the Big East.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Anywhere in the Big East.
Speaker 11 (01:08:20):
Okay, yeah, say Saint John's would have been at St.
Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
John would be Okay, New York City, all right, what
about you, Chris, So I.
Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Would have to go back to to to uh coach Bray,
I would have went to Notre Dame. You know, he
knew how to he knew how to work with undersized
guards and you know those that really were position less,
right and I was a positionless player, and so he
you know, he knew how to maximize what I could
do is which which put the ball in the hole.
(01:08:54):
And so I would have went there because I knew
I would have been able to carry on and magnify
on a bigger stage.
Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
What I could do absolutely absolutely, what about you, g lump.
Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
Uh, I think I would have, especially after the sophomore year,
I would have went somewhere in the A C C.
Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Probably either Georgia or Tack or Wake Force.
Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
Mm hmmm probably you know, as a guard like I could,
I could have matched with anybody there, competed.
Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Okay, oh dog, what about you.
Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
About me?
Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I'm cooler, man, I would have just left period. I
would have got out even there's a whole other topic whatever.
I would have got out there. I was out of here.
Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Ship, I was almost out of there, and I was
at the school. So whoa think?
Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I love anyway,
so right, yeah, I probably would have went win the
Big East though, Like I had a lot of schools
a big East that showed a lot of love. So
probably you know, West Virginia, Miami, something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Maybe, Sirrah and we would have loved loved to hang
you out there in South Ben.
Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Why why has kept Wake Forrest is extuven though it's
a small private school, man, they still they put out
a lot of uh basketball and football players. Man, they
put out dogs man for it to be such a
small school. Yeah, especially in the basketball when you tell
you know they when they was in the A c C.
Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
They was, oh, man, they had some players.
Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had some players.
Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Cold cold, cold Where you all went?
Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Now come on, now, oh would have left? Everybody know
that I would have. I would have been out. I
should have been out. And then looking at before I
get to where I would have what where I would
have went to? Just looking at the Dayton team from
last year, right, the two best players they had great season,
(01:11:15):
stock high, they left.
Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
One went to Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
That's Kobe Breer and the other his name is Kobe too,
he went to Oklahoma. So Kobe Breer, his that season
he had last year was similar to my season when
my stock was highest, you know what I mean. He
averaged about thirteen points, irised around fifteen. That you know,
my year he led the nation in three point percentage.
(01:11:41):
I led the nation in three point percentage. So that
year stock was really high. I was getting calls from everywhere, agents,
everything like that. So that that was that would have
been the year I would have left, and I would
have transferred to Ohio State. Because a lot of people
don't know I originally committed with Boston College that coaching
staff left Boston College. Coach O'Brien and his staff went
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to Ohio State with Schooney, Penn, Michael rad and all
those guys. I actually ran into coach Spiller, who was
the head assistant coach, at a bar in Dayton, Ohio,
getting twisted and he's.
Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Like, old, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
And then he he told me right there and there
you're not happy, come on down, come on up the
road to Ohio State. Yeah, And I regret that to
this day. So I definitely would have would have went
to Ohio State, got a couple of dollars and and
ship ripmind wrote the whole new stores that's dope.
Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Well, before before we get out of here, we want
to get everybody's take on who they like in this
final four men's and women. Uh, who do you like?
And who do you think gonna win it? Win it
all money moree. We're gonna start with you since you've
been quiet this old time.
Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Oh man, you put me on the spot.
Speaker 15 (01:12:56):
Let's see, I've been consistent with the with the winmen
being and I'm from South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
That's the only damn thing we got going right now.
Speaker 15 (01:13:04):
Because Ion Williams is a bus uh, So I'm gonna
go with USC on the women's side, and on the
men's side, I'm gonna go with Cooper Flag and Duke.
Even though I don't like Duke. I think Cooper Flag
is a tremendous player.
Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
M all right, go.
Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Ahead, go ahead, Uncle o' durrell boy and Uncle Durrl.
Speaker 11 (01:13:30):
On the women's side, South Carolina, I'm gonna Duke.
Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Okay, okay, who you got remind yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
For is uh the women's women's side, I think it's
gonna be the winner between U s l A and Yukon.
So whoever come out of that, that's who I think
gonna win it this year. The boy's side, me being
in the Shawton, Carolina guy, I'm gonna I'm I'm born tarhell,
(01:14:02):
So it's hard for me to say Duke.
Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
I do think they're gonna be there.
Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
But if Florida take care of Auburn, I think Florida
can take Duke out. If not, I hate to say it,
but probably gonna win it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, who your pool? Can you a big dunk?
Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
I said? My bad mind ain't change in.
Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Uk Houston, in Ukon. I like those picks. Chris, who
you got.
Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
So y'all can go ahead and bet your money with me.
I'm gonna get y'all to plays for this weekend. We're
gonna go with Auburn over Florida.
Speaker 13 (01:14:47):
All in U s C the winning winning for the
women's side.
Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
That's that's the place. Yackl bebby and I expect ten
percent of all earnest and I will follow us USC already.
O yeah, damn, I'm taking all I'm taking. Look all right,
put it out there. You asked me, dam I'm giving it. Look,
(01:15:12):
that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
So you're taking the spread over under what we're doing.
Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
I'm taking money line, I'm taking money line. I'm taking well, well, okay,
since we're doing it this way, I'm taking. I'm taking
album by double digits over Florida right this down, Yes.
Speaker 13 (01:15:26):
This damn yeah double double yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
Hell and to win it off.
Speaker 13 (01:15:33):
I ain't got this, I ain't got the spread on
the duke, but yeah, taking off.
Speaker 7 (01:15:37):
If you'll use my look, I'm fall I'm gonn Look
you'll up in the in the little in the in
the in the in the in the.
Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Regis when we get onto my money, get off the line.
We're gonna start the chat so we can talk ship.
Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
You turn, Yeah, I need my money.
Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
And you said you said you said double digits, you
said all and double digits.
Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
Over there, all by more than album by more than
ten and I got Duke winning it off.
Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah he said that, So he's with so much coming in.
Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
So I'm like, damn, he might know something we don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
I wrote write it down, but Pilot, I ain't gotta
put up pol put little ten dollars on.
Speaker 13 (01:16:23):
I'm gonna make you some money.
Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Were that.
Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Uh Man?
Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
Don Steia beast Man, he got them girls gritty? Uh
So I'm going with South Carolina. At first, I have Florida,
but I agree with Chris Man. I think Auburn. I
don't know about double figures, but Auburn Duke Man.
Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
I like Duke Man.
Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Cooper Flag too good and they they they're playing too
well together right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah me, I'm going I'm going with a ship.
Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I'm going Chris Shied.
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Come on, cold man, come on, hey like he got
a book from the future.
Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
I'm going with uh I'm going with Houston, and I'm
going with you come I'm not just saying that because
my brother going with Houston and you come, I'm going
with you in the upset, and I think it's Yukon
g I think page her coming off the knee injuries
and brug flood or whatever coming off the knee injuries.
I just don't think South Carolina got that. They got
that one guard. But besides her, I just don't think
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they got enough this ship. I think they need they
need to get another guard.
Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah they don't, they don't, but they win. They win collectively.
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I like the girl from Hawaii, the shooter, she shooting
all the hair. I forgot her name. She but Paige
and uh but I'm gonna tell you though, with that
being said, that big seven foot six l a yeah
if you l.
Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
A g.
Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, yeah, nobody her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Now, But before Chris gave me those picks, I would
have went with Yukon for the for the women's side,
and I was gonna go with uh Houston on the
on the men's side. I think on the women's side,
I think you kin't got the best three players, like
a collection of three players. Yeah, they got a strong,
the freshman strong. Of course they got paid back and
(01:18:39):
she's probably the best player that's left in the tournament.
If you asked me, and then you got azy fud.
She back, she back in full of fact. You know,
she healthy again and she she could easily be a
first team All American if it wasn't for the for
the injury. So I'm going with that big three sleepers.
Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
That little the Asian girl that came from Princeton to
point Guard had twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I think she had twelve last night.
Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Yeah, she is.
Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
She knows how to run. She run.
Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
She helped run that team too, so at the point
so if you called it tough, you call tough.
Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
But that big avatoll c l a.
Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Yeah and shout out the key key rance out there.
Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
You know we said I know.
Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
About her. Oh she ain't gonna be and be physical
like that against Gena reference. They're gonna officiate her different
against Gino, right, you see that.
Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
I know we said that. We I know we said
somebody the Cinderella's. But do y'all like that the big
Dogs is the last four?
Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yes, yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Not me like as a I do, but I don't
like as a fan of the game. Like of course
my alma mater is dating some route for Dayton. So
I'm looking at hey, if we we didn't lose those
two players that left, you know what I mean. Now
you you talking about you making a run in Attorney,
you know what I'm saying. I mean last year they
were sweet sixteen with the team that they had. You
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come back with your whole mob. You know, you got
a chance to do something, do something in the tournament.
So you miss your number one score and your number
two score and you got to rely on your three
or four score to lead you all the way there.
Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
You know, it's tough as a fan of the team
that you want to win.
Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
But.
Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I just wanted to get you all respective on
it because you know, like some people like they like
the cream of the crop the rise and you know,
and sometimes you know, you have got some of them
center rulers that got there, and you know it was
kind of a dud.
Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
So you know, I was wonder because for.
Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
Me, yeah, these these been these been the four teams
that's been the best all year.
Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
So you know, to me, this year is exception.
Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Where I am glad to see these teams because they
have proved they've been the guys all year.
Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I don't care who win as
long as Duke don't win.
Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
I ain't do.
Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
I can't stand. I can't stand.
Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Stepped on old boy.
Speaker 11 (01:21:12):
I don't like.
Speaker 13 (01:21:14):
Hey, listen, I think I like them boys from Houston.
Speaker 7 (01:21:16):
They played hard, but then the money, the money, the
money go the money.
Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
Speaking to me, Hey, Chris, look about to put my
plays and I'm gonna call you when.
Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
We get off. Call me.
Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
I got it's written down. Hey, you're about to get it.
Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
That boy. You know something.
Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
Listen, I'm Houston fact. I like them boys, boys played hard,
but I'm just you know, follow the man.
Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I double this got double Yeah. Man, Man, I think
I think you're talking. I think you're talking to Michael
Porter brother.
Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Yeah. Man, but man, let me get you boys out
of here. I know I kept y'all long and than
what I told you I was gonna keep you man.
But look, we appreciate all of you, all of you
exceptional former athletes and still doing great things you know
out here, you know, being impactful. We definitely appreciate you
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joining us and spending time with us telling your story.
I know our viewers and listeners you know, was ecstatic
to hear all of your stories about n Cuba, about
your individual journeys a but your team journeys, about your
opinions on nil and the transfer portals. I thought it
was all exceptional and for the No Cashportial podcast, we
(01:22:47):
want to thank you from the bottom of our heart
and with that being saying, more money, get us out
of here.
Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Brother.
Speaker 15 (01:22:53):
To all our viewers and listeners, I hope you enjoyed
tonight's show. Please like, comment and subscribe to they show.
And with that being said, we are.
Speaker 11 (01:23:04):
M salute, I bless you all right now. Yeah h
Welcome to the No Cast Sports show podcast with sports
and Convos Collide.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm your host of.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Cobra More Money. I'm your host More Money I am.
I am your host Old Dog a k A. Oh.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
How y'all doing today? Follows doing good brother? You know,
another great day. We're back again, another week live on
the podcast. We got a special show for the viewers
and listeners today, a little a little different type of
setup that that I'm excited for.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be awesome to get all
different point of views and uh, just hear the different
stories about you know, their experiences.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Man, I say, we get straight to it.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
Man.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Y'all good? Everybody good fan? Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (01:02):
Yeah, I say, cold man, we should just get straight
to it. Man, it's that time.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
All right, Well, let's do it.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
So introducing first is one of the most prolific scores
in the history of Western Kentucky University. He's also Me
and Old Dolls Uncle Daryl Turner, where he earned first
team Ohio Valley Conference Team honors, and he also led
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the Hilltoppers to the nineteen seventy eight n Cuba Tournament
that featured an overtime win over Syracuse and a tough
Sweet sixteen loss to a Magic Johnson led Michigan State
Spartans team. So, without further ado, welcome to the show.
Daryl Red Rose Turner, So yeah, our next guest. He's
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a smooth playing guard from the University of Dayton. Way
scored over fifteen hundred points and handed out over five
hundred assists in his career. Rama was two times All
Atlantic ten, including the two thousand and three A ten
Tournament MVP. Ramar led the Flyers to two NCAA Tournament
(02:32):
beds and three He led to the Flyers to a
number four seed and then they went back to the
tourney again at four. To date, Ramada is regarded as
one of the best point guards to ever play at
the University of Dayton. Please, welcome to the show, Ramar.
Speaker 6 (02:51):
Marshall's going on, fellas, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
What's up, sir?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
What's up?
Speaker 7 (02:57):
Mab was going on?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Bro Man, I can't call it man. Everything good man.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I appreciate y'all having me on, and I definitely got
to get some of the.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Other child like that.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Oh yeah, oh it's coming east st.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
We appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Jack absolutely, Our next guest. Is no stranger to the show.
He is a legendary point guard out of Xavier University,
where he's a top twenty scoer in top ten and
assists all time. Gary Lumpkin led Xavier University that eighty
three wins in four seasons, including seventy in his last
(03:34):
three seasons, making the NCAA tournament three out of his
four years at Exavier. He was part of one half
of a backcourt that many considered to be the best
backcourt in the entire country. Welcome to the show or
welcome back to the show. I'm man Gary Lumpkin. Step Look, hey,
(04:04):
our next guest. There's a former superstar wing man out
of George Mason University, where he led the Patriots to
the two thousand and six n C Double A final four.
Following went on to have a ten year professional career
in York and we're excited to have him on the
(04:25):
show tonight. Please welcome Mster following Campbell Y.
Speaker 8 (04:34):
Yeah, what's going on, fellas spree bro, Yeah, they cheated
us too.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
We should have won that game. They cheat. That's what
five we had, man. We definitely should be state.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
All right, and last but not least, we have a
legendary basketball player from George Washington University, where he finishes
the all time career leading scorer with two thousand, two
hundred and forty nine points, and he was a top
ten rebounder, a feat that only four players in school
(05:16):
history has ever accomplished, being top ten scoring and rebounding.
He's twenty twelve Hall of Fame class. Welcome to Oh
before that, and he also went on to have a professional,
successful professional basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Career in Europe.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So, without further ado, welcome to the show, the legendary
Chris Monroe.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Having me.
Speaker 7 (05:44):
Yes, sir, family, glad to be on here.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Hey, I just want I want you to know man
to this day. Alrighty, Chris can't still can't go.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
When we get started, we getting cooked if we start.
If we started off like that, I'm burned. Following up
every day every summer when you need to play everything.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
That's that's that's that's the big dog right there.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Man.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I like to see that. I like to see the
dal v heat right there. That's just good competition, right,
that's all.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Go ahead, look, oh go ahead, crazy, keep talking trash.
Speaker 7 (06:25):
I'll pull up the following house right now, you know
them light still come on over there, Hillingdale, bring them
out dead.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
I don't want no problems, man, you gotta slim, you got.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, so, little fellas, Look, we were all excited for
you guys to be here tonight. You know, this is
the first time we have this specific setup where we
have a panel of you know, of illustrious, accomplished, superstar
basketball players who accomplished so much in that Division one
basketball careers and beyond to go in and play professionally
(07:04):
and in the in the spirit of of March Madness,
just being college basketball season, one of the best seasons
out of any sport, we wanted to get you guys
together to talk about your awsome playing careers and your
experience playing in the n C Double A tournament and
(07:26):
maybe even in some cases falling short of making the
NC Double A tournament, and you know, you know how
that felt and what it would have meant to you
making a tournament, you know, putting in all of that
hard work, because everybody in the beginning of the season
has that one goal to get your name called to
be a part of that bracket to play in March Madness.
(07:47):
So if we can just start off and we'll go
around the horn and we'll start with you, g Lump,
if you can talk to us about you know, your
experience playing Division one college ball and and how high
of a priority was making the n CUBA. Turning me
to you and your team.
Speaker 9 (08:08):
First of all, man, it's a pleasure beyond here with
all these great basketball names and all something that sitting here.
You know, the journey had first year getting there, say,
we know, freshman from to figure.
Speaker 10 (08:28):
It out, tend at that point starting to blow up
our first year there still still remember it's funny. I
just pulled up the game played Stude Masks when they
was ranked number one in the country where they was
on the twenty twenty five game win Street, you know,
and on our way to the final four.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
And uh, even then, man, you know, we were just.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
Out there trying to figure it out, competing, trying to
get our name out, you know, and trying to do
the best we could. But it wasn't til that second
year when they really set in what what COS basketball
was all about, and you know was able to go
that that sophomore year, and man, it was crazy because
going there and playing Vanderbilt the first round and then
(09:11):
you know, eventually seeing UCLA in the second round. Man,
it was an awesome experience. Nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (09:19):
You know when you see them, you see those team names,
you see them guys you know that are on the
big stage every night. And then you got a mid
major like Xavier, they you know, one of the schools
like that, you know, playing them schools, man, you know
it really, you know, motivates you to want to go
out there and perform your best. And you know we were,
you know, pretty fortunate to get that first one against Vanderbilt,
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had a tough one with UCLA there in that second round,
but overall, man, I mean, it's nothing like playing in
SA tournament. I remember looking at a sheet of the
attendance from one of the games. I think it was
in our junior and we played Washington and there were
like twenty five thousand people at the game.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
It didn't seem like you really couldn't see them, but uh,
you know, to be playing in front of that type
of crowd and you know all the TV cameras there.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Man, Yeah, yeah, hey for mind. How about your experience.
I know you you've enjoyed some success at the University
of Dayton lead your team to two n C Double
A experiences, and I know that's a big deal to
to the fly and faithful. Just can you can you
talk to us and explain to us what the energy
(10:27):
was like surrounding the team and you going into the
tournament for the for that first time, checking into the hotels,
going to the little uh events and stuff. You know,
can you kind of tell our viewers and listens what
that feeling felt like?
Speaker 11 (10:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:43):
Man, I mean it feels like how it looks. I mean,
you know when you before you get there, you know,
you're seeing all the cameras everywhere, the people, so you know,
you kind of.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Like feel like that rock star.
Speaker 6 (10:55):
You know, you got police escorting you everywhere, five star
hotels all that. For the Faithful, you already know how
it was cobD. I mean that was like, you know,
dating is everything in that city, you know what I'm saying.
So you know, it was one of them things where
you know, they everywhere you went, they was praising you,
you know, congratulating you. The one thing about it, you know,
Dayton has had a tradition of winning, and so you know,
(11:18):
once we got to that point where we was able,
especially that first year, I felt like we had a
squad that could really go somewhere because lose the four
seed that year, and you know, you know, after really
making it there and seeing how everything went down, man,
it was just more like it just gives you that
like I got to get back to this, Like you
don't want like the whole n I T and all that.
(11:39):
I mean, I'm a winner, so I ain't you lie,
I don't even want to do none of that. So
you know, like once you get there, bro, it's like
a whole other feeling that that you know, everybody calling
you that you ain't even know you had even knew
you cousins everybody.
Speaker 3 (11:51):
So it definitely was experience.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Man.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
It's something that I think every college player needs to
experience because you know, once you get that feeling, man,
you don't want to go down at any point.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, and I'm gonna piggyback all something you said, Lamar,
because I remember one particular year when we won twenty two,
I think twenty two games, and we we won the
regular season Atlantic ten title and then we sitting there
selection Sunday, then our name came up as one of
the first four teams who bubble burst. So we was
(12:24):
that that four out. You know, they didn't have to
play in games back then, so we used to floor
out and we had to go to the n T Tournament.
I just remember just my energy and enthusiasm played the
n I T, which yeah, I mean it was at
an all time low, man, because you know, you were
just so close to going going to the to the
big dance, and then you know, you go to the
(12:47):
n I T.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's definitely a buzz kill.
Speaker 11 (12:52):
Man.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
Just one little tad bit.
Speaker 6 (12:54):
My freshman year with Tony Stanley, we made it to
the n i T right, so we ain't want to go.
So we tried to give with op Oliver Panel and
tell him that we ain't want to play, and his
wife told us that he was had too much wine
and he wouldn't meet with because he knew we weren't
trying to go. And we ended up playing and getting
all the way to the to the to the game
to go to New York and we played the Detroit
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team with with Shard Phillips.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And uh, what's my man named coach for New Orleans?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Green? Okay, okay more Green?
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Is it? More? No?
Speaker 7 (13:25):
No?
Speaker 3 (13:25):
The coach? What's the coach for New Orleans right now.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Willie Green, Willie Green, there you go, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
Yeah, And man, they we couldn't dealing with Sean Phillips,
but it was funny because we would. We was not
trying to mess the n I T at all. So
I know that, Phil, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
And and following tell to you following, I know you had.
I mean, you had an awesome experience, you know in
your n c Double A tournament run. You know, and
experience that too many college ball players just don't ever
get to experience. So can you kind of tell our
views and listeners about your experience playing in the NCAA
tournament and leading your team to a final four.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
No, it was remarkable, man. I still take tell a
lot of people to this day.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Man.
Speaker 8 (14:09):
I played sixteen years in Europe and the most fun
I had playing basketball was at George Mason University. Man,
and it's only because of that that run we made,
Because I mean, I get it, Dave in Xavier at
the times they were men majors, but we were truly
like we were in the c a A, the Colonial
Athletic Association, Like.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
We we got an at large bid.
Speaker 8 (14:32):
We weren't supposed to get that. We didn't even win
our conference that year, you know what I mean. And
it was just crazy how we got the ad large bed.
So everybody's already saying, look, they shouldn't even have been
in the tournament. We should have got another team from
the SEC or the ACC, like they just won't. They
just gonna get role run in the first round. And
I mean, we just use that as motivation, you know
what I mean. We used as motivation. As christ Monroe
(14:55):
would know. We had our starting five. We had five
guys from the d m V area and I always
consider the d I mean again, no shade anybody else,
but I considered d MV area having the best time
in basketball in the country.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
And we just went out there and we played like that.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Man.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
We were gritty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
We we we just played hard, We shared the ball,
and we beat On our run to the final four,
we beat three previous NCAA champion champions, you know what
I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
We and then we beat Yukon, who won the.
Speaker 8 (15:23):
Champion the championship championship the year before. We beat North Carolina.
I'm sorry, we beat North Carolin who won a championship
to be year before we beat.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Yukon who won the championship two years prior to that.
Speaker 8 (15:33):
And then we beat Michigan State in the first round,
who won the championship you know, three years, four years
prior to that.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
So uh again, man, that run we had, Man, it
was special.
Speaker 8 (15:44):
And then again you got a small team in Fairfax,
Virginia who is always confused with g W George Washington
or the confused us with you know James, you know,
George George Madison. Because of James Madison and v A.
There was no respect, you know what I mean at all,
you know what I mean, And we just went with
a chip on our shoulder and played well, played hard.
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I know, Umar brought up you know, the police escorts
and the five star hotels and that was all great.
But when we got to the final four and the
shoot around, the shoot around we had it was twenty
thousand people watching shoot around.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
And you gotta remember we a small school in Fairfax, Virginia.
Speaker 8 (16:31):
We got at that that year, we had maybe three thousand,
four thousand people max at.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Our games, you know what I mean, Like we getting
we had a shoot around.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Like hold on, I'm like like at this point, we
just in alle of just being there and it's like
that all that hard work we put in you all
throughout the year and it showed, you know what I
mean when that run to the Final four and then
obviously playing the Final four game and having eighty thousand
people at the at the game and you.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Know nationwide, like just putting George Mason on the map.
Speaker 8 (17:04):
Man, it really meant everything to myself because again, I
definitely had some bigger schools offering, but again and it showed,
and I tell a lot of you know, the kids
that I worked with, Look, go go to schools where
you you you're gonna play right away and they're gonna
appreciate you, and you're gonna have a chance to get
to the tournament. That's all it was about. It was
about having a chance to get to the tournament. And
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then after that anything is possible.
Speaker 7 (17:25):
Man.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
We we showed that.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
One of the things I want to say about the
George Mason too, man, y'all loved up and was able
to get I think it was the Elite eight or
something like that at the crib at the crib, so
y'all was right, y'all had that y'all was at the crib,
so y'all had a lot of following. I mean, it
was like the whole city started, you know what I'm saying,
rooting for y'all and stuff like that. Y'all was a
team and to have that, I think it was the
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Elite eight, but I'm not mistake it was a sweet
sixteen game.
Speaker 8 (17:55):
At that time was the Rising Center and that's down
the street from Fair Factory.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
I don't know if you remember following, but Big Bro,
who was our you know, obviously a family and other
show Shawn springs to y'all before, uh, y'all, Yeah, Big
Bro spokes to y'all before the before the game.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Yeah, it was definitely a lot of love. Man.
Speaker 8 (18:18):
Again, I'm assuming they didn't think we was gonna make
it that far.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
That's why they had the games there.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
But we ended up, you know.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Getting to the Sweetly team like that.
Speaker 8 (18:26):
That's a home game for them, so yeah, you know,
the fans chairing for us. And not to mention yu
kont at that time, they were the number one overall
team in the country and they had six guys get
drafted that year. We didn't have one player get drafted
in the NBA. Yukon had six players five in the
first round and.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
One in the second round.
Speaker 8 (18:47):
Yeah, and two of them were lottery picks, Rudy Gay
and I want to say either Hill, either Hill Strong
or Josh Boom one of them. But then they also
had markets with like they had they had a star
study team, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
So now it was a remarkable one man, that's dope.
That's dope.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
And you know dog Dune our era when we came up,
you know, that's when the n C n C Double
A tournament was tagged marsh Madness. It was a lot
of hooplog around the tournament, a lot of excitement around
the tournament.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
But Uncle Daryl, you and I we talked offline a
couple of days ago regarding your experience going into the
n C Double A before they was tagged marsh Madness,
and it wasn't and and it wasn't as much I
guess pushed behind it and much you know, that excitement
behind it like it is now.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Can you talk to our.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Views of listeners about your experience playing at Western Kentucky
and leading your team to an n C Double A
tournament to the sweet sixteen at that.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
You mute your mute. We can't hear you. We can't
hear you. Can't.
Speaker 12 (20:00):
Mom.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I'm gonna let you get your your audio right, and
I'm I'm gonna move move to christ. Then we don't
we don't we when we don't come right back to you. So, Chris, Chris,
I know, you know when you was at g W
that was more like those those years was transitional, you know,
(20:21):
it was you know, and uh and when I played
in the A ten, you know, we played against some
really good GW teams led by Sean Tay Rodgers and and.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
You know, they they made their runs.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
And then and then your your er came in and
I mean you, I mean, without being said, I mean
you the all time league scored. So you guys came
in with the superstar players, include my little Brovile Brown
that was with you for a little while at g
W two.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So tell us about.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
The that the challenges that you all had in your
in your attempt and representing Atlantic ten in the n
C double.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
Oh man, I think that's one of the things that
I always look back at my college career and I'm like,
you know, we were so close, right, you know, me
and Val came in. We was Dean you know the
top three backcourt. You know, you had Jason Williams and
they guys and and and we were putting up numbers
that were extraordinary, and me and val had a vision.
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Val went to GW because of me. I went to
GW because of Val you know. And Tom Penders brought
us in and he was a you know, he was
a coach that was successful put out pros and he
was at Texas before, so he had a representation in
the tournament and so he was building something at GW.
And he only had three years at GW, so I
had two years with him. He had that one year
with Shante and the before where they went to the tournament.
I believe they lost to Duker Indiana that year before
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I came in. So it was a rebuilding process with
me and Mike King and everybody else coming in. Shante
had just graduated, and so you know, we was rebuilding
for two years. That sophomore year that year, uh because
you know, Valvo left for the pros his sophomore year
and then I came in and we was just holding
it down.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know.
Speaker 7 (22:05):
We had a lot of d m V talent coming
and we had Mike King from Baltimore. We had T. J.
Thompson that was there. We had a lot of people
from the team Assault that was supposed to come in
and kind of help us get to that level. But
we also had guys that a lot of people knew,
like a Tiller Cosby, right, you know who was the
top five player coming out of Oak Hill Academy. You know,
he was on the team. So it was me vow
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at Tila UH and then we had some other guys
from outside at Phillis and I think we were just close.
I think, you know, we were right at the cusp.
We lost the temple that year when I was supposed
to go to the tournament. We lost to Lynn Greer
And I see Lingrid today up there in Philly live.
Greer is a bad boy. But you know, we were
right there, you know what I'm saying. And and and
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I always think back to what would it be like
if I was still had my junior year, if I
was to have val a Teller and everybody. You know,
we went through some controversy at UH at GW, you know,
the coaching change, and they brought in Carl Hobbs that
came from Yukon, and so we you know, we lost
that whole recruiting class myself going into my junior year
where everybody d committed, and so I was really left
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there with me and t J. Thompson. And the only
reason t J. Thompson came back to GW was because
I stayed and I knew him because we was a
part of the same AAU program, right, So that's what
kept me me solid. And right after that, you know,
you got you know, my senior year, we got Pops
and my call to NBA guys, you know JR. Pennock,
the last guy that got drafted from GW who went
(23:27):
fifty eight to the Lakers, you know what I mean.
And you know we got car Led and those guys
that came in. But you know we would We were
right there. And that's one of the things I always
look back for when I missed it, because I was
in that transition, right I was. I could have went
to the tournament. I could have went with Coach brand
Notre Dame and when he gave me the invite, but
I didn't know I was. I'm a hometown boys, oh
would tell you.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I love the fact that I had my people being
able to just catch the metro and come to the
game and everybody, you know, the neighborhood effect. But you know,
I always think about how close we were to being
in ancday tournam and we had to dogs to do damage.
Similar to George Mason and how that they had dogs.
The d n V has dogs, uh, And you put
us in any kind of landscape, whether it's you know,
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the list of on football or basketball. We produce dogs
that produce under pressure, right, because in this area and
the d m V area is you know, it's like
you know, uh, the pressure, you produce diamonds. And I
think we get a lot of talent from this area
because it's so small and the competition is so fierce
that when you put us in opportunities to uh with
that with that light is bright, that tournament, that tournament light, right,
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I think that we exceed we we we produced and
it doesn't You don't have to be first team All
Washington Post or anything. You could be you know, first
team Morcomber County, first team pg d C and you're
gonna you you're a dog. So that's one of one
of the main things that I missed. I missed out
on but the you know GW was in that transition
at that point in time.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Yeah, And I want to expand on something that you said.
I mean, I already explained the illustrious career that you
had and you putting GW on your back and you know,
getting the most out of that team, trying to reach
your goal. A player like you that was one of
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the best players in the A ten, one of the
best players in the country with the numbers that you
put up, you know, making the NCAA tournament puts you
on the stage where the rest of the United States
would have been able to see who Chris Monroe is
and what type of work that you're putting in out
there on the court. So fast forward, like now in
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today's environment, which you have taken advantage of the transfer portal,
if that was available to you back then.
Speaker 7 (25:42):
You know right now when you talk about the transfer portal,
what I'm seeing it has a lot to do with
money too, right. I came up under that era where
you know, you were your AAU coach or your your
high school coach would look at the program that you
were going to and be like, this fits your game.
I think a lot of the student athletes nowadays are
just chasing the bag, the money and the name and
not looking at what the coach's system is like, right,
(26:03):
because not everybody can play in every system. That's that's
the problem that a lot of these players are running
into where they they come from an AAU culture where
they're able to dribble when they need four or five
six dribbles to score, when you know or you know
things like that. So I give a perfect example. I
look at like somebody like Juan Dixon, Right, Juan Dixon
was great in that flex system at Maryland.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Right.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
He wasn't a one on one guy. He wasn't a
Steve Francis. Steve Francis with Steve Francis, Right, But you
had Wan Dixon. You got him coming off of screens
and picking pops. He gonna kill you if you don't
get around there. He gonnat you eat you up because
he had that IQ was smart. Steve Francis. You, he's
so shifty, you know, you're trying to stay in front
of the seat. We just gonna iso that side, right,
And you got to get with a coach that identifies
(26:45):
with that and that's within his system, or he's gonna
allow you to do that. I went to g W
because Tom Pennis was a guard coach and he was like, listen,
if you can get a bucket, go get a bucket.
And so that's why Val as a freshman was able
to average twenty four points, you know, and almost led
the nation and scoring as a freshman. And that's why
I was able to do what I was able to
do numbers wise, because we ran a motion set. We
(27:08):
were ahead of time and we was very active. Now,
if it was more of a half courset like Jarvis,
I don't think I would have done what I would
have been able to do, right, because Jarvis was slowing down.
He was a half court set and that was his game,
you know, that fit of Mike King, right, So I
just I look at it now where a lot of
players are just looking at the name of the school.
They're looking at the money that the nil can give
(27:29):
them and ain't hopping in the portal for that. But
they're not really happy where they're going because a lot
of these kids are missing, missing the number, missing the
opportunity of getting with a program or going to a
mid major, playing for a Tony Skin, playing for a
Cristalpudo and them allowing you to showcase your skills, which
some are taking advantage of. Right. You see a lot
of these mid major kids playing putting up good numbers,
(27:51):
like the kid from the Kid Harper from Howard, Right,
he went there. He wasn't on nobody radar in high school.
He grew a couple of inches. He now all rookie everything, right,
and they're talking about them, right. So you got to
look at that and say, do I want to go
to a mid major, a big school and sit on
the bench and just get the in our money or
can I really go to a school like Howard, g
(28:12):
W or some of these other places and really showcase
my skill set and get to the right situation for me.
And so yeah, this this this portal, this situation with
the portal is a lot different than when when when
I was when I was playing. You know, it's it's
it's uh, it's something that these cads need to be
educated on.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Absolutely, Uh, Uncle Darryl back to you, You got your
audio straight, I believe, so can you hear me? Yeah, yeah,
we can hear you, lon click. So So back to
the original question. Uh, as I stated, you know, we
we talked offline and you know, the hooplar around the
marsh Madness n C Double A turnament wasn't the same
(28:52):
as it is now, and I wanted you to just
kind of talk to our viewers and listeners about your
experience playing playing in the NCAA tournament, what it meant
to you and your teammates, and then making it to
the Sweet sixteen to play against Magic Johnson.
Speaker 12 (29:11):
Well, it was a great experience, but it was a
big difference I played in nineteen seventy eight where there
was no three point shooting. Also, we had a big crowd.
I loved to play in front of the crowd. We
had a small team Westing Stuck had a small team
and our first game was Syracuse, which was we were
(29:32):
the underdogs, definitely the underdogs. The tallest man I had
was what six seven and a half I believe on
my team was six seven and a half. And they
had a hell of a zone. They played the two
to one two one. They pushed as far out, pushed
as far out. But as far as the experience just
(29:54):
being there, being on that stage, I had good memories
and I have some bad memories. The good memories are
that I was on that particular stage, the bad memories.
I had two bad games, you know, and I wish
I had two good games, but I didn't.
Speaker 11 (30:11):
So they didn't see me at my best. They didn't
see me at my best.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Uh that's right.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Most people come on here and be like, yeah, I
dropped forty and I had a.
Speaker 12 (30:22):
Right and I didn't drop forty. But like I said,
it was all my shots are three points. You know,
I averaged sixteen point four, so if it was three points,
I didn't average thirty six points a game.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
But again, I mean that's facts, strictly facts.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
But we played against When we played against Magic, I
think my coach didn't want to play Kentucky. Kentucky won
a championship that year, and I think it was a
kind of political thing.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I really believe it was.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
Because our coach put.
Speaker 12 (30:53):
Us in at one three one zone against Michigan State
in the second half. The first half, I was all
their Magic Jack all in his jocket. Mage wouldn't shoot it.
Then it was a passer slipped the passer. But they
put us in the one three one zone in the
second half, and I couldn't figure it.
Speaker 11 (31:09):
I couldn't figure that out.
Speaker 12 (31:10):
They had me running from one corner to the other
corner on the baseline, magic up front, just picking us all,
picking us all, calcling was coming this picking us all.
But to be to be truthful, I really believe that
the n C Double A it is, as y'all know,
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but one of the greatest stages to be in for
an amateur. For amateur to be on and again seventy
eight in the day's time, it's a big difference. March
madness is what it is and and the being. It
was a great opportunity. I was glad to be in it.
I just wished, uh I had a couple of good
games there.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Basically, yeah, I looked up. I looked up your stats
in that Michigan State game. You put up your shots.
You he was you six with oneing uh six for
twenty but hey you got your Yeah, my brother, they
(32:14):
pushed me. They pushed me all the way to the baseline, always.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
The half court. What did they push you to half court?
To great just just about just about. They had a
hell of the hell.
Speaker 11 (32:27):
They had a hell of a two one two z on.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
But you say, lay on that shoe and there for twenty.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
But but in your defense to what you said about
you you being there in Magic jogging at first said
Magic was only three for seventeen in that game.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
So I got a salute. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was
at the job.
Speaker 11 (32:46):
I was in a job.
Speaker 12 (32:48):
Well I ain't, no doubt, but you ain't for twenty
I can't remember that. That's too far back for me.
I got to look at him by.
Speaker 4 (32:56):
Hey, Oh in Western Kentucky? Is that you know they
got movie all is that? Is that the same school
that they had the movie all about the People? Uh?
The school Western Kentucky where they had the old where
they started the first five.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Black Uheico, No, that's in Texas.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
That's Texas.
Speaker 11 (33:14):
Oh that's yeah.
Speaker 12 (33:16):
Yeah, that's a big difference, big difference. But again it
was a great experience, and I know all the guys
enjoyed that experience too.
Speaker 11 (33:24):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
So did you get the same experience with the with
the police escorts and all that.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh y'all just yes, we did, Yes, we did. We
had all that.
Speaker 12 (33:36):
We ate good, we slept good, the women were there,
we we we had a good time.
Speaker 11 (33:41):
Man, we had a good time.
Speaker 5 (33:43):
Yes.
Speaker 12 (33:44):
Yeah, yeah, like it is, man, that's how it was.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Yeah, but I know Kobe.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
I know Kobe asked the question to Chris, but I
would like for all y'all to come in, you know,
starting off with you glunk about the transport portal because
a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Of y'all did go to men, men majors, and you know,
I understand.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
And the one thing that y'all everybody said on here
that it was about that experience as far as playing
on a big time stage. So my question of all
y'all is, okay, take y'all in this day and age,
would you try I heard what Chris said, and that
sound good right about the you know, being with the
right system, Chris Monroe, we grew up together, Chris, knock
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it off. So being with the right system, and I
get all that, But when somebody.
Speaker 3 (34:40):
Offering you one point whatever or.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
Five hundred thousand or whatever, a lot of times they
not bringing you over there to get on to be
on the bench. And if you did, if you do
your homework right and you do yours, then you know
where to go and where not to go.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
So my question to you, to all of you.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
All, would you have gone if you had the opportunity,
And like what Chris said, the right coach in the
right system. Would you have gone in the transport portal
or would you have stayed at your particular school.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Oh, let me jump in real quick. Let me let
me let me clarify. Like you when you talk about
that money in the system, these kids still got to produce, right,
you go hunt your own system, you go to the
wrong system. They look at they listen, they will tell
you like they got boosts. Is the way this thing
is set up is you got collectives that influenced the
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A D and the coaches because now they're paying for
the players, right, and the players still the players still
have to produce out there, right, but they don't produce,
then they are going to be told one way or another,
like your your your nil deals not for four years,
some of them do for four years. Something do for
a year? Right, So when you so a lot of
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these kids when they if it was me and there,
like I'm looking at it like all right, just like
following can tell you overseas you're you're a player for hire, right, what.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
You do that year you only.
Speaker 7 (36:05):
As good as your last year, right, So my value
that following year is only gonna be what it is.
So if I if I don't produce. I mean, I
get that bread next year, and now I'm that situation.
Speaker 11 (36:18):
So I got you.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I got you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you. But yeah,
hold on, let's let go worse and then we're gonna
get to a trust. We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 13 (36:28):
Okay, I got you.
Speaker 12 (36:31):
So you know, when I first started, money wise, that's
a big factor. Uh, most guys today would definitely take
the money, but I think he had a very good point.
You want to go somewhere where you can play your game.
You want to go somewhere where you're comfortable and do
your thing. I mean, it's just that simple. But the
money definitely changes the whole game. I started in the
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junior college and in Florida won the state championship and I
went to New York to visit Luke Connosaki at uh
at Saint John's and he thought I was from Florida,
but I'm from the DNV. I'm from from Alexandria. I
got off the plane with a free with a three
piece suit on. When he thought I was a country boy,
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which I'm not, which I'm not. But anyway, when I
got off the plane, he shook my hand and when
he shook my hand. It was something in my hand.
He had five one hundred dollars bills in my hand,
you know. But that that blew my mind, That shocked me,
you know. And then he set up this big old party,
this big old party for me and so forth. And
but I would have to sit out a whole year
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if I stayed with Saint John.
Speaker 11 (37:41):
That's why I didn't go to Saint John.
Speaker 12 (37:43):
But again, the money factor again is a big as
a big game changer. These guys got to go. I'm sorry,
but they have to. Those that go for the money,
I'm not upset with them. My hat off to you,
but you do want to go somewhere where you can
play your game. If you can't play your game, not
gonna be happy. Like the brother said, you don't produce,
she ain't gonna get that money no more.
Speaker 11 (38:04):
You know. Got that's a hush.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And I'm out. So so check this out.
Speaker 9 (38:16):
Probably about about six months ago, right, I talked to
one of the assistant coaches that coached me and Zaviy.
He's at Saint Bonaventure, Mark Smith. He made a comment
we was talking, he was he was.
Speaker 14 (38:27):
Just kind of mentioning how how the whole, you know,
nil he goes and all. And he was talking about
how he had lost some players because you know, players
that were okay, they weren't even great, they were okay.
And whereas they might get off for fifty grand and
a car at Saint Bonaventure, you know, they were going
to like USC It's like southern California and getting four
(38:50):
hundred grand in a car.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
So when I look back on that, I was thinking
about this, and he said it.
Speaker 9 (38:57):
He was like, if you and Lenny and Poles were
in this era, y'all had have been gone after your
freshman year, right, y'all would have went somewhere because we
was competitive. You know. I'm listening to the DMV guys,
and I feel, y'all like coming from little small Delaware,
you know, as a guard and playing against I'm like, yo,
I trust my instincts anywhere, like I can go play anywhere, right,
(39:20):
and I'm gonna go compete, and I'm gonna play like
the coach, like I'm gonna make the coach playment because
I'm gonna produce.
Speaker 3 (39:27):
But I'm going to get that money, y'all. I listen,
it sounds good. It was too many days that I
was in that dorm with no money.
Speaker 9 (39:36):
Meanwhile, a number twelve Savior jersey is being sold, like
fifteen of them being sold.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And I'm not seeing any of that money.
Speaker 9 (39:43):
It wasn't no last name on it back then, right,
because they couldn't put our names on the back, so
they would just telling them about the bookstore. So you
see fifteen jerseys and none of that money touches your hands.
Meanwhile I'm in my door starving because my meal money
ran out, right, So now to go from that to
all of a sudden, I got a chance to go
meet even one hundred grand a year, like, it's life changing,
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man for me.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
I think that's what I would do.
Speaker 2 (40:08):
I feel your love same question with you.
Speaker 6 (40:11):
Remind yeah, man, I will say this far as after
my junior year when we had the hell of a year,
Op went to Clemson, and a lot of people don't
know this. He hollered at me and wanted me to
go to Clemson and help him build his program.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
But at the time, you.
Speaker 6 (40:28):
Know, I had got MVP and I had some NBA
Scotts on Men stuff, so and I thought that we
was getting Ron Jersey as the head coach. So I'm like,
now I'm gonna stick around law you got this time,
and plus we had to sit out that one year,
you know what I'm saying, And so I didn't want
to set up my senior year. But like they said,
for as if the money was different, because they you know,
he threw out a little number, but it wasn't the
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numbers that it is now.
Speaker 3 (40:50):
So if it was the numbers it was now.
Speaker 6 (40:52):
How I look at it is if you like a
top draft pick, Okay, you look at system and all that,
so you can see where you're gonna, you know, possibly
put yourself.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
For as the draft. But if you just kind of right.
Speaker 6 (41:02):
There cheetering, if you're gonna make it or not, man,
go get every last bit of that money you can,
because you know by it just like them girls are
doing right now. They ain't getting that money in another
b NBA, which is to me like the same tier
as a big type guy coming into the league.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
So you get as much as you can.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
And if you got to play afford theferent universities, oh well,
you know what I'm saying, Because you got guys like
Bangkok that was at Carolina. He he got a hotel. Now,
so even if he don't really ever make it to
the NBA, he don't put himself in a position where
you know he good. So I definitely would say, yeah,
I would dip to you know, don't get me wrong.
(41:37):
If it's just a great situation, you already somewhere that
they really gonna look out cool, but.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
Nah, you got you gotta take advantage of that.
Speaker 2 (41:45):
Absolutely filing with your thoughts on that.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
I mean, I agree with Lump and remad man.
Speaker 8 (41:52):
It's difficult with this day and age, with the money
that's being thrown out.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
And also you got to look at him.
Speaker 8 (41:59):
Man, a lot of these players man like their parents
ain't making that type of money, so they play a
factor in it, you know.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
What I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
Like, you know, my dad or my mom is making
forty thousand, you know, sixty thousand a year.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
Somebody school is offering you two hundred k.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
Like, hold on, I can give my mom forty, I
can give my dad forty and I'm still good. Like
it's just so much you think about when you know,
you enter that portal, you know what i mean, And
I'm just thinking about it, like I do love the
fact that I you know, I spent four years at Mason,
I can talk to the alumni, I can talk to
the donors.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
There's a relationship that we have. It's not that that
doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Like there's no relationship with alumni, there's no relationship with donors,
because again, one kid will come in one.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Year for a fifth year and he's out of there,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (42:46):
Or one kid that come there, there's no relationship with
the alumni, donors, players anymore. But again, when the money's
being thrown at you and somebody said, okay, look you
had a good year at Mason, Like after the final four,
I averge seventeen in the tournament, I'm like, and I'm
out of it. Like another bigger school is gonna come
knock and fit or not, I'm gone. You offered me
five hundred k, like the money that it might not
(43:09):
have been the same back then, but it's just too
much money being thrown And now that I again that
I played in Europe, you know what I mean, it's like,
hold on, you still probably making more money in college.
Speaker 3 (43:20):
I'm talking about now. Now.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
Back then it was different, but now you probably still
won't make more money than you make here than in Europe,
you know what I mean, Like it's only a select
few that's playing in the euro leagues and change like
Chris and what whoever else played in Europe. You got
to play with the top teams and be making that
top figure money. But you can make that in college now,
and that's what's crazy.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
So that's my take on it.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, awesome, old dog. Oh go ahead, go ahead, Chris, No, Chris.
Speaker 3 (43:46):
I was gonna let Chris finish because Chris started.
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
Yeah. My my take on it is like you get
that kid who just playing the McDonald's All American Game,
he got seven million right in il Bread, right when they.
Speaker 13 (44:00):
Offering that kind of money. That that's life changing.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
That that is you put that, You take a million
dollars for yourself, You put six million into something that's
gonna give you six percent return, and you don't break
your principal in that six million, and you're gonna get
a guaranteed three three hundred and sixty thousand dollars a
year off of six percent. Right, that's enough for your mama,
your daddy and everybody to live off for three hundred cakes,
(44:24):
especially if they making forty fifty thousand, sixty thousand dollars
a year. That is that is that is just common
cent off that Now, when you're talking about four or
five three two one hundred thousand dollars, right, that's not
life changing money. It may be for some for a
short period of time, especially what they're gonna use the
money for. Right, So a lot of them, I think
a lot of things that we're talking about, we need
(44:45):
to also look at it's on a case by case basis.
The way I was looking at it and the way
I would look at it is like me, me and
my mom, we good, like she good, I'm good. I
take a little money. I wasn't starving. None of us
was starving. We all bet on us. If everybody on
this call bet on ourselves, we had that in us.
Is like what I did this year, I can do
next year, especially if you're in the same system. Right,
(45:09):
So if you offer me five hundred k to day,
I'm gonna have the same system, same league, same network.
I burn it up even more. I'm gonna be worth
a million that following you. That's the way I'm looking
at it, right, And then that is a little bit
of different. That's me betting on myself and that's a
little bit different bread. Where if I get to a
million dollars, you give me a million dollars. Where me
and my mom good. I'm used to not having no money.
(45:31):
I came from no money. I'm used to eating hot
dogs and PV and J's for lunch. I'm good. That
means my little my mom, who making forty thousand dollars.
That million dollars is in a bucket that I don't
even touch because my coach is gonna make sure I'm good.
We still getting fed, Like I mean, granted Dayton exhibit. Listen,
y'all all, y'all was good, Like everybody was not gonna
go hungry. Some people did, but y'all coaches was not
(45:53):
gonna do, especially if y'all were producing, you know what
I'm saying. So I think at the end of the day,
we really got to look at it in the way
I was looking at at it is more and so like, look,
seven million, you're talk about a million dollars. You don't
break that principle. You earn't interest on it. It pays
for itself, It pays for you, It pays to put
your mom on Like like a million dollars gets you
six easy, six percent get you sixty thousand dollars a year.
(46:16):
If your mom ain't making that, she's making twenty she
working at McDonald's, Wendy's.
Speaker 13 (46:20):
Whatever, look you good, you win it. So that was
just my take on it.
Speaker 7 (46:25):
I mean, yeah, if the money's good, but the only
way I'm able to get that money is in the
system that allowed me to showcase my talent. If I
can no longer showcase my talent and I get that
two hundred, that hundred, the one hundred and fifty or
whatever I may get for this one year and I
don't see the floor, what is my value after that?
Speaker 13 (46:42):
And I'm a sophomore right right, so what is.
Speaker 7 (46:46):
My value at that point in time? Nobody going out
to have no tape and guess what, There's somebody else
they like, Oh we can you know, we see value
in him.
Speaker 2 (46:53):
And then here's another thing.
Speaker 7 (46:55):
A lot of people not taking an account that when
you are a fan favorite following you, you notice if
you're a fan favorite, to the boosters, to the alumni,
you're setting yourself up down the line. So a lot
of people probably not thinking that way. They think about
the money, see the money, but when you talk about
life changing money. Hear me clearly the million dollars in plus. Yes,
(47:16):
you gotta you gotta move how you gotta move close?
Speaker 2 (47:23):
He was, and he was cooking so much, heeding.
Speaker 3 (47:32):
What's up? What's that?
Speaker 7 (47:34):
Big bro?
Speaker 5 (47:35):
What's going on?
Speaker 12 (47:36):
Hey?
Speaker 3 (47:36):
Do you got.
Speaker 4 (47:37):
Anything to say about it? Would you have gone to it?
Coming out of East Carotlinta.
Speaker 3 (47:43):
You know we're going on recruit trips.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
We we you know, we played football, you know a
little different, you know, a little sport. But uh, would
you have a trap? Well you already transfer, but what
you have gone to the transfer port?
Speaker 5 (47:56):
I was out?
Speaker 3 (47:58):
Okay, question about.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
See a lot of a lot Yeah, see a lot
of people talk about the money aspect of things. And
and what I'm saying is, I think we all have
a passion to go to the next level, to show
our skill set at that next level as well. You
know what I'm saying. It's one thing that it's one
thing to play in the in the med Major. But
if I'm playing at the back, let's let's go back
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in the day in the a c C.
Speaker 3 (48:24):
Right now.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
I'm getting a chance to show my skill set in
the a c C. Every night, you know, I think
that's a I think that's one of the good things
about the transfer Portal as well, you know, if you
talk about that, So.
Speaker 5 (48:36):
I think the best thing about it is like when
I left, I had to set out, So that's why
I went down. I was like, I don't want to
sit out because you know, I was coming off to
atl Yeah, I had a health freshman year. But you
know when I talk about al and they was like,
you got to say out next year if you go,
because you know it's West Virginia, Tennessee. I had a
couple of places I could have went. I was like,
I just want to play. So that's why I went down.
(48:56):
But I definitely I definitely would have took it if
it was if it wasn't no time out, Amen, no
time out. I wasn't building this car right now. I
wouldn't build this car right now. I wouldn't I wouldn't
have been we would have never lived together together, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
And that's the good thing about the trains from Portal.
You don't have to sit out.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
I think my mom maybe mentioned that about when your
boy left and with the Clinton and you're like, well,
I don't want to sit out because I'm hot right now.
You know that's the you don't have to sit out.
Speaker 8 (49:28):
So yeah, that's not in my opinion, you know what
I mean, because everybody's thinking what you just thought. And
now I was like, oh, I'm putting my name in
the portal, but you got so it's only by so
many scholarships of them.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
You know, I think I think I had a good year,
but a lot of other schools don't think I had
a good year. Now I'm sing like, mam, I'm like,
but do something in that.
Speaker 5 (49:58):
It's a lot of you know people that's jumping in there.
But it's no different than when I told my mother
that I wanted to leave East Carona. She said, you
ain't gonna make you see that, she said, but understanding
that if you leave dead, you got to have don't
leave there without nowhere else to go. You know what
I'm saying, Like, you can leave, and I'm a point
you leaving, but East Carolina'm paying for your schools, so
if you leave it, you better have somewhere else to go.
(50:19):
He's gonna jumping the portal. We nowhere to go, you
know what I'm saying. So I don't want to restrict
they movement because they ain't restricted coaches movement. You know
what I'm saying, coach get to do whatever they want.
I'm glad the kids get to do whatever they want.
For years, coaches been getting rid of kids as they
see fit. And now that the kids got some power,
now the coaches got a problem with the portal. You know,
(50:40):
it's no loyalty. Now everybody here played with somebody that
they coach ran off, you know what I'm saying, because
the coach didn't want them. So now that the kids
can leave when they want to, it's a problem. Nah,
I think it's great, like get them. I don't now
if you jumping that portal and you ain't got no options,
you just made a bad decision, you know what I'm saying.
And sometimes you got to eat a shit sandwich until
(51:02):
you can go somewhere else and eat something better. But
if you ain't got nowhere to go, don't jump in
the portal. But if you got op, you call on
if you want to.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Yeah, we will say you need to do something about
that portal.
Speaker 6 (51:15):
Because I don't know if y'all heard Rick Potino, he
said he ain't even paying attention to not one high
school player, and so you know, I think it needs
to be maybe maybe a restriction on how many portal
guys you can get, because it's like, you got kids
they can't even get into school because they're not even
even giving you a chance. Matter of fact, they even
asked him if they had a five star recruit from
(51:37):
high school, but he hollered at him and he said no.
He said he don't think he can win with guys
from high school. So I think something needs to be
at least been put in place on that. But maybe
the number that you can have each year or something,
because I mean, you know, for guys come out of school, man,
that's really important.
Speaker 5 (51:51):
I think that's bullshit because people been winning with high
school kids for a hundred years. You know what I'm saying,
Like people been high school has been playing you know
what I'm saying, They've been playing against broom man, So.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
It is crazy.
Speaker 4 (52:07):
I ain't mean to cut you off, but I don't
know if y'all saw Indiana, Uh, their coach, I think
he got fired or something happened, and they got their
whole their whole basketball team, the whole, the whole basket
of a girl, the whole basketball team in the transfer
for they don't have one remaining player that was on
that team last year.
Speaker 3 (52:27):
The whole team happened to Kentucky last year.
Speaker 5 (52:29):
That happened to year, said, man, it was it was
just a funked up distrunctional environment.
Speaker 4 (52:37):
It was like, right, I'm I'm I'm not not enough.
Speaker 3 (52:42):
You talking to the first person.
Speaker 5 (52:43):
So I look, I'm they've been knowing, they've been knowing
since December that everybody was leaving, you know what I'm saying,
Like all the kids were saying, Man, after this season,
I'm out, I ain't no more, I ain't fucking with Woody. Well,
I don't give the bringing after them. It was like
the whole team ain't with it, gotcha?
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Yeah yeah yeah, because you know, back in the day transferring, yeah.
Speaker 11 (53:15):
We're making that money. They should get it.
Speaker 1 (53:19):
Absolutely, absolutely absolutely and also be able to go to
where they need to go to to you know, fully
be happy basketball wise. You know, just back in the day,
it was a determ to transfer. Do you transfer out
the conference? You had to sit out the one year
you transferred within the conference. You had to set out
to two years. So a lot of people who probably
(53:39):
wanted to move on to somewhere that fit the game
even better. They they just held fast because of the
fact they didn't want to sit out. They wanted to
keep bumping, and they just uh you know, kept the
optimism and hoping and hoping things got better.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
But now just transfer portal.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Man, Not only do you get to leave and go
to somewhere that fits your game, you get to make
some bread while doing it too.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Man.
Speaker 1 (54:03):
So I man, I'm loving this new transfer portal in
il system. And uh man, I I was born a
little too early.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
Brother.
Speaker 7 (54:13):
Yeah, Hey, besides the besides the money though, besides the money,
which I think about it, because I mean I came
up on hard coaching right now, So so now you
gotta think about the two. A lot of these kids
who ain't have to fight through adversity, they just they
hopping part of that, but they hoping they don't never
have to fight through adversity or had a tough love coach,
(54:35):
where a coach where if you want to slack, you
can slack, and if it don't fit your system, you
can just hop in the portal.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
You know, we.
Speaker 4 (54:43):
Don't even Chris, We're not even gonna waste our time.
Excuse my language to our listeners and mules on no.
Speaker 3 (54:48):
Ship like that.
Speaker 5 (54:51):
Like that.
Speaker 4 (54:52):
Everybody on here is, like you said, is dogs. So
the reason why we're saying that we would transfer, we
would be in the transfert portal to put our.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Family in a better situation or to get on a
bigger stage.
Speaker 4 (55:03):
So that way I can show people, Uh, I'm locking
this person down, holding him only it's a difference of
holding Jock Wait Nunny down from floor there and them
and me holding Johua's green down at University of Florida.
Speaker 3 (55:17):
You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (55:18):
What I'm saying is that there's a level of dog
that's missing. There's a lot of But I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (55:25):
Everybody on this on this podcast, we would we were not.
It ain't even that type of party.
Speaker 5 (55:35):
I agree with you, But I also think that coaches
do hold a little bit of responsibility because everything involves
and you can't you can't do the ship now that
you can do back in the day. So it is
something with some coaching. But you also gotta understand, like
your demographics dealing with I remember when when I was
in high school, like we used to get one water
break doing doing uh doing football practice in two days
(55:58):
and August like you just won. They and then the
coach be mad that you're taking a lot of water,
Like what you doing? You saw them drinking all that water?
You like, damn we drinking water like But that was
that was ship that was acceptable back then, you know
what I'm saying. So I don't think it's you know,
the tough coaching. Yeah, the kids gotta understand, but a
lot of that ship is the culture and as the parents.
(56:18):
Like when kids allowed to jump from a U team
the AAU team because they never had to go unity.
It's one thing, you know what I'm saying, But once
you make that commitment, it's your college. I think that's
something totally different, you know what I mean. Like, I
think you do need to lock in and fight through
some ship. But also coaches have to be accountable to
(56:41):
being able to you know, to be playing, to be
able to coach the players that they have too.
Speaker 3 (56:49):
But they also you know, go ahead, go ahead, got
it now.
Speaker 6 (56:54):
I was just gonna say, you know, the one thing
about it though, I definitely agree with everybody when come
down to coaches can't really get on their ass like
they used to. But you know, the one thing about it,
you gotta adapt in life. And so once they start
putting this money in it, that's out the window.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (57:08):
It's it's like overseass like the NBA, you gotta you
gotta guy for a year or two, and you just
got to make sure that you try to manage things,
cause at this point trying to do all that shit, man,
they gonna look at you like, bro, I'm almost getting
as much as you are, depending on the situation is
or I can go get that. So at the end
of the day, you better just manage it. Be a
Phil Jackson or whatever, all that old school shit that
(57:29):
ain't gonna work no more.
Speaker 8 (57:30):
Mm hmm, go ahead follow And I mean, yeah, it's
too it's two different stories because it's like now you're
remind you right, It's like now I'm treating like professionals,
you know what I mean. Like college coaches. A lot
of them don't want to go to the progs. They
don't want to do it with the prima donnas, you
know what I mean, Like you don't want to deal
with all of that stuff, you know what I mean.
But now on a collegiate level, you gotta deal with that,
you know what I mean? Like you and like Chris said,
(57:52):
like it's hard to coach right, Like I'm looking at
the kid from Saint John's All j.
Speaker 3 (57:56):
You the player of the year, You.
Speaker 8 (57:57):
On one of the best teams in the country, and
you want to leave because Petino's coaching you hard, you
know what I mean, Like it just don't make sense
to me.
Speaker 7 (58:04):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
I get it, You're gonna get your money.
Speaker 8 (58:06):
Somewhere else, but you still on one of the top
teams and you're getting paid.
Speaker 3 (58:10):
But now because the.
Speaker 8 (58:11):
Coach is coaching you hard or how, you don't like
it if he sits you out down and the rest
of the I don't know if it was in the tournament,
what it was. They set him down not to finish
the tournament. But it's like, no, he's trying to teach
you a lesson, But I can't teach you a lesson
because now I feel like if I teach you a lesson,
You're gonna up and leave.
Speaker 3 (58:26):
It just don't make sense.
Speaker 6 (58:27):
You know, I mean, you got an I ain't gonna
lie now if I'm the guy, don't teach me no
lesson or no God damn double a game.
Speaker 11 (58:37):
Don't know what.
Speaker 8 (58:39):
I don't know what the situation was. I don't know
why you set him down. And I don't want to
be talking lesson either. But again, I'm just bringing up
that point.
Speaker 2 (58:51):
It reminds you.
Speaker 3 (58:54):
I feel that, but I don't know what happened.
Speaker 6 (58:56):
You go down, You go down with me. If I've
been to now you gotta go down with me. I
don't care if I'm over for thirty or six for
Twitter like, now you go down with me.
Speaker 7 (59:08):
But that's that, but that, But that's that's also an
understanding that comes with you being with a coach more
than one.
Speaker 13 (59:13):
Yeah, y'all understanding like he like, yo, you my guy.
Speaker 7 (59:15):
Let's you know what I'm saying, like like I'm on
your I'm on you for a good reason. But I
think a lot of times, I think a lot of
times they're not gonna get that. And then also too,
let's not forget the pressures that the coach is going through. Right,
the whole game has changed. Coaches used to be able
to coach as develop a player. I saw you, I
see you, I see following. I'm like I see him.
Speaker 13 (59:33):
I think he needs this, this this.
Speaker 7 (59:35):
To get to where we need him to be or
to get to that next level, because that's we know
that's his ultimate goal. I can no longer coach him
for that. I can no longer put him in position
I am now you got you Now got a twenty
year old telling somebody who has the connections with the
NBA with all that, he's telling him what I'm gonna do,
what I'm gonna do now. And I think that loses
it a bit because coaches, now, from the A D
(59:58):
you got pressure to win, by the way, in fact,
not just from the ad from the collectives. If you
can't win with us paying as player this, then you
need to go, so the coaches. That's why Rick Potino
is like, I'm not looking for high school kids because
the way I need to coach what I need them
to do is unproven. They're not I don't know if
they can handle it. I know this kid who I know,
this coach who coaches this way in this system. He's
(01:00:21):
used to the D one riggers, right, I know what
to expect from him, versus a high school kid who
don't know nothing about it. The game is a little
bit faster, unpredictable. Even if he's a five star. We
know Fox, Just like just like all top college talent
don't make it to the NBA and be successful. All
high school talent that's good don't necessarily translate to successful
(01:00:44):
college players.
Speaker 13 (01:00:45):
And that's where Rick Potino is. He's like, I gotta
win right away.
Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
If I don't win right away, if papul losing season
and Boosters are paying whatever they paying for the nil
and I'm getting paid what is he getting paid?
Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
Five million, ten million?
Speaker 7 (01:00:56):
Whatever?
Speaker 3 (01:00:56):
What it is?
Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Got time for you?
Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
No, right? And so I can't.
Speaker 13 (01:01:02):
Coach you the way they need to be. The game
is different, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Dude, Do y'all think the climate of the n C
Double A took a little bit of the excitement out
of the n C Double A tournament in terms of
how we used to rally around the Cinderella team because
now you don't see the Cinderella teams anymore. So and
I and I start with you following because because you
can specifically speak to it. I mean, you had the
whole country rallying behind George Mason back in six. Do
(01:01:30):
you so you think the climate kind of took it
took a little bit of the pop away from that.
Speaker 8 (01:01:35):
Oh, for sure. Again, you got all these teams, especially
the SEC. That's why they got so many teams in
the tournament. It's just getting paid too much money. Man,
you got all the best players.
Speaker 3 (01:01:45):
Like I get it.
Speaker 8 (01:01:46):
Like guys want to go certain places, like used to
go to do because of the tradition, used to go
to Contains because of the tradition. Right, So like nobody
was going for basketball. Nobody was going there for tradition,
you know what I mean. Like they went to one
final four. But again it's.
Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
About that anymore.
Speaker 8 (01:02:00):
Like if you got Calipari and even Kentucky to go
to to Arkansas. Kentucky had a tradition Arkansas, Like we
know why he going over there.
Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
He got he got the collective, he got the money,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 8 (01:02:11):
So it just again, and I don't know when it's
gonna happen or if it's gonna happen, but at some
point you got to say, Okay, look we powered five
school just to they just it's just it's a big difference.
Like you got one collective, they got ten million. You
got one collective, they got you know, five hundred thousand
mid majors. Cool, So it's just it's just it's not either.
Speaker 6 (01:02:29):
Yeah, yeah, that's why I said that they got to
they got to do something with the either limit how
many portal transfers you got will also put a cap
on maybe the money. So it's like, all right, each
school can spend this amount of money, so you can
kind of have some balance playing for it. Because like
a school like a Dayton, our president will you know,
put out a statement saying that, you know, they got
(01:02:51):
to start putting that money together because even though we
have got to a place where you know, people know
who we are, but I mean, we ain't one of
the programs that really got that big money right now.
So you know, if if at least some type of
cap or at least a limit on how many you
can get, that may be able to even playing field
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
Man.
Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
But but also to add to that, the reason these
men major schools were winning games is because they had
juniors and seniors and fifth year seniors. They don't have that,
Like those guys are leaving to go to these big
time schools. So now you're sophomore junior that you thought
was gonna ride with ride out with you. That was
killing the sophomore year is gonna be their junior senior year.
(01:03:31):
He got his sophomore year. He killed me out. So
now I don't if I'm a Chatanooga you know what
I mean. I've developed players, like Chris said, I've developed
players as a coach, and I'm bringing them into my sister.
Speaker 3 (01:03:41):
By the time they're I'm like, okay, we better but no,
they're gone.
Speaker 8 (01:03:46):
So it's difficult mane that portal.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
I mean, it works both ways.
Speaker 4 (01:03:52):
Because you got the guard from Florida Taylor, who nobody
where he came out of school.
Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
You know, nobody wanted them. He was he went, he
wound up going to.
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Iona with Rick Patina, right, you know what I mean,
he was a four I think he was a no
star or he was an apologize he was a no
star in basketball, but he was a four star in
football and offers everywhere you can look it up. He
had offers from he had Power five offers, but he
wanted to play basketball. So that's a that's a situation, Chris,
(01:04:21):
when somebody bet on hisself, a fellas where he bet
on hisself, went to Iona, right, did what he was
supposed to do. Rick Mattino leaves, he leaves, he goes
to Florida. Right, So you know that's what I'm saying.
I don't agree with the transfer portal when kids duck
bump and kids run away from bump. But if you
if your ultimate gold is to play on that particular
(01:04:43):
stage and it can get you, you know, and you
and like Chris said, and like we all said, if
you can go to where a coach believes in you,
they're gonna allow you to do your thing, and you
can go to a situation that will benefit you in
your game, then you know, like I said, I I'm
totally for that, But I'm definitely not kids just jumping
in the transfer a portal just to leave because you're
(01:05:05):
not getting playing time and things like that, right, or
you having a disagreement because your coach says, well, you know,
I'm sitting you down, like you said earlier, like what
Patino did with the with the h with the star player.
So you know, it's two sides of the store. But
it's definitely that hard coaching. I think a lot of
these kids are running away from one hundred per Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:05:26):
Well I think that that the ones that those are
ones that getting stuck, those are ones that's not there.
Like if you were sitting on the bench and and
you don't like the coach. You gotta learn how to
deal with that, because who was gonna give you a
scholarship if you only played seventeen minutes off season? You
know what I'm saying. So what's the use of jumping
(01:05:47):
in the portal? That's when you got to develop that
internal forty two to work through some ship because if
you're not playing, you're not you're not attractive, you ain't
getting no offers. I wouldn't get.
Speaker 3 (01:05:58):
Yeah, I don't think I wouldn't know anything about not
getting playing time.
Speaker 4 (01:06:01):
So we're going to the next Yes, I don't know
nothing about that.
Speaker 1 (01:06:09):
Yeah, and I know we getting were getting late on time,
but we normally played rapid fire towards the end of
the show. But instead of doing the rapid fire, I'm
gonna'm gonna do something a little different. Give you a hypothetical.
So when your stock was the highest in school, your
stock was the highest if you would have were to
(01:06:30):
enter the transfer portal with which you had had transferred to.
You know, and let's start with you following, we'll go
around the horn.
Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
I mean, at that point in two thousand and six
and you know, it's crazy when I I averaged seventeen
points in the tournament only average ten point during the season,
so the stock went up during the tournament.
Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
And I mean, I would have went to any power
fire school.
Speaker 8 (01:06:57):
I ain't gonna lie to you whether it was Kentucky,
whether it was George Georgetown actually was one of my
my dream schools to go to before I chose George Mason.
So it might have been Georgetown just because again it
wasn't it was in the Big East, and you know,
it was a powfied school, so I'd have said, I say, Georgetown, okayma.
Speaker 6 (01:07:18):
Uh Well, I originally signed with Georgia, but they had
Jim Herrick, so that's when they went through all the
n CUAA, so I probably wouldn't fuck with them. But
being realistic, I probably would have did that year with
Clemson with coach p and set out a year and
just had that one year in acc and.
Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Just got that Look you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6 (01:07:35):
I think that might have been beneficial because if I
would have known the coach that I would have got
the next year, I definitely would have left.
Speaker 3 (01:07:42):
Because Brian Gregory, he ain't look at it all.
Speaker 6 (01:07:45):
You know, when I left out, I'm still all eighteen
all that, and I had the struggle I ain't he
told me, I ain't had no workouts, no nothing, So
I don't really think he was speaking good on me
at all.
Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I don't know how that went, but uh yeah, I
definitely probably would have went to Clemson, though, nor did.
Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
You there with you where a utilize the transferred portal
when your stock was.
Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
The highest.
Speaker 11 (01:08:10):
Without a doubt, Big East, anywhere in the Big East.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Anywhere in the Big East.
Speaker 11 (01:08:20):
Okay, yeah, say Saint John's would have been at St.
Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
John would be Okay, New York City, all right, what
about you, Chris, So I.
Speaker 7 (01:08:32):
Would have to go back to to to uh coach Bray,
I would have went to Notre Dame. You know, he
knew how to he knew how to work with undersized
guards and you know those that really were position less,
right and I was a positionless player, and so he
you know, he knew how to maximize what I could
do is which which put the ball in the hole.
(01:08:54):
And so I would have went there because I knew
I would have been able to carry on and magnify
on a bigger stage.
Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
What I could do absolutely absolutely, what about you, g lump.
Speaker 9 (01:09:07):
Uh, I think I would have, especially after the sophomore year,
I would have went somewhere in the A C C.
Speaker 3 (01:09:14):
Probably either Georgia or Tack or Wake Force.
Speaker 9 (01:09:17):
Mm hmmm probably you know, as a guard like I could,
I could have matched with anybody there, competed.
Speaker 2 (01:09:26):
Okay, oh dog, what about you.
Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
About me?
Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I'm cooler, man, I would have just left period. I
would have got out even there's a whole other topic whatever.
I would have got out there. I was out of here.
Speaker 3 (01:09:49):
Ship, I was almost out of there, and I was
at the school. So whoa think?
Speaker 5 (01:09:57):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. I love anyway,
so right, yeah, I probably would have went win the
Big East though, Like I had a lot of schools
a big East that showed a lot of love. So
probably you know, West Virginia, Miami, something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:10:17):
Maybe, Sirrah and we would have loved loved to hang
you out there in South Ben.
Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Why why has kept Wake Forrest is extuven though it's
a small private school, man, they still they put out
a lot of uh basketball and football players. Man, they
put out dogs man for it to be such a
small school. Yeah, especially in the basketball when you tell
you know they when they was in the A c C.
Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
They was, oh, man, they had some players.
Speaker 4 (01:10:48):
Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, they had some players.
Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
Cold cold, cold Where you all went?
Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Now come on, now, oh would have left? Everybody know
that I would have. I would have been out. I
should have been out. And then looking at before I
get to where I would have what where I would
have went to? Just looking at the Dayton team from
last year, right, the two best players they had great season,
(01:11:15):
stock high, they left.
Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
One went to Kentucky.
Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
That's Kobe Breer and the other his name is Kobe too,
he went to Oklahoma. So Kobe Breer, his that season
he had last year was similar to my season when
my stock was highest, you know what I mean. He
averaged about thirteen points, irised around fifteen. That you know,
my year he led the nation in three point percentage.
(01:11:41):
I led the nation in three point percentage. So that
year stock was really high. I was getting calls from everywhere, agents,
everything like that. So that that was that would have
been the year I would have left, and I would
have transferred to Ohio State. Because a lot of people
don't know I originally committed with Boston College that coaching
staff left Boston College. Coach O'Brien and his staff went
(01:12:03):
to Ohio State with Schooney, Penn, Michael rad and all
those guys. I actually ran into coach Spiller, who was
the head assistant coach, at a bar in Dayton, Ohio,
getting twisted and he's.
Speaker 2 (01:12:16):
Like, old, what's up?
Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
And then he he told me right there and there
you're not happy, come on down, come on up the
road to Ohio State. Yeah, And I regret that to
this day. So I definitely would have would have went
to Ohio State, got a couple of dollars and and
ship ripmind wrote the whole new stores that's dope.
Speaker 4 (01:12:36):
Well, before before we get out of here, we want
to get everybody's take on who they like in this
final four men's and women. Uh, who do you like?
And who do you think gonna win it? Win it
all money moree. We're gonna start with you since you've
been quiet this old time.
Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Oh man, you put me on the spot.
Speaker 15 (01:12:56):
Let's see, I've been consistent with the with the winmen
being and I'm from South Carolina.
Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
That's the only damn thing we got going right now.
Speaker 15 (01:13:04):
Because Ion Williams is a bus uh, So I'm gonna
go with USC on the women's side, and on the
men's side, I'm gonna go with Cooper Flag and Duke.
Even though I don't like Duke. I think Cooper Flag
is a tremendous player.
Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
M all right, go.
Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Ahead, go ahead, Uncle o' durrell boy and Uncle Durrl.
Speaker 11 (01:13:30):
On the women's side, South Carolina, I'm gonna Duke.
Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Okay, okay, who you got remind yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:13:42):
For is uh the women's women's side, I think it's
gonna be the winner between U s l A and Yukon.
So whoever come out of that, that's who I think
gonna win it this year. The boy's side, me being
in the Shawton, Carolina guy, I'm gonna I'm I'm born tarhell,
(01:14:02):
So it's hard for me to say Duke.
Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
I do think they're gonna be there.
Speaker 6 (01:14:06):
But if Florida take care of Auburn, I think Florida
can take Duke out. If not, I hate to say it,
but probably gonna win it.
Speaker 2 (01:14:16):
Yeah, who your pool? Can you a big dunk?
Speaker 5 (01:14:26):
I said? My bad mind ain't change in.
Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Uk Houston, in Ukon. I like those picks. Chris, who
you got.
Speaker 7 (01:14:35):
So y'all can go ahead and bet your money with me.
I'm gonna get y'all to plays for this weekend. We're
gonna go with Auburn over Florida.
Speaker 13 (01:14:47):
All in U s C the winning winning for the
women's side.
Speaker 7 (01:14:51):
That's that's the place. Yackl bebby and I expect ten
percent of all earnest and I will follow us USC already.
O yeah, damn, I'm taking all I'm taking. Look all right,
put it out there. You asked me, dam I'm giving it. Look,
(01:15:12):
that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2 (01:15:13):
So you're taking the spread over under what we're doing.
Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
I'm taking money line, I'm taking money line. I'm taking well, well, okay,
since we're doing it this way, I'm taking. I'm taking
album by double digits over Florida right this down, Yes.
Speaker 13 (01:15:26):
This damn yeah double double yeah.
Speaker 7 (01:15:30):
Hell and to win it off.
Speaker 13 (01:15:33):
I ain't got this, I ain't got the spread on
the duke, but yeah, taking off.
Speaker 7 (01:15:37):
If you'll use my look, I'm fall I'm gonn Look
you'll up in the in the little in the in
the in the in the in the.
Speaker 3 (01:15:41):
Regis when we get onto my money, get off the line.
We're gonna start the chat so we can talk ship.
Speaker 7 (01:15:48):
You turn, Yeah, I need my money.
Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
And you said you said you said double digits, you
said all and double digits.
Speaker 7 (01:15:56):
Over there, all by more than album by more than
ten and I got Duke winning it off.
Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
Yeah he said that, So he's with so much coming in.
Speaker 3 (01:16:10):
So I'm like, damn, he might know something we don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:16:16):
I wrote write it down, but Pilot, I ain't gotta
put up pol put little ten dollars on.
Speaker 13 (01:16:23):
I'm gonna make you some money.
Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
Were that.
Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Uh Man?
Speaker 9 (01:16:34):
Don Steia beast Man, he got them girls gritty? Uh
So I'm going with South Carolina. At first, I have Florida,
but I agree with Chris Man. I think Auburn. I
don't know about double figures, but Auburn Duke Man.
Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
I like Duke Man.
Speaker 9 (01:16:51):
Cooper Flag too good and they they they're playing too
well together right now.
Speaker 1 (01:16:55):
Yeah me, I'm going I'm going with a ship.
Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I'm going Chris Shied.
Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
Come on, cold man, come on, hey like he got
a book from the future.
Speaker 4 (01:17:21):
I'm going with uh I'm going with Houston, and I'm
going with you come I'm not just saying that because
my brother going with Houston and you come, I'm going
with you in the upset, and I think it's Yukon
g I think page her coming off the knee injuries
and brug flood or whatever coming off the knee injuries.
I just don't think South Carolina got that. They got
that one guard. But besides her, I just don't think
(01:17:44):
they got enough this ship. I think they need they
need to get another guard.
Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
Yeah they don't, they don't, but they win. They win collectively.
You know.
Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
I like the girl from Hawaii, the shooter, she shooting
all the hair. I forgot her name. She but Paige
and uh but I'm gonna tell you though, with that
being said, that big seven foot six l a yeah
if you l.
Speaker 5 (01:18:09):
A g.
Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Yeah, yeah, nobody her. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Now, But before Chris gave me those picks, I would
have went with Yukon for the for the women's side,
and I was gonna go with uh Houston on the
on the men's side. I think on the women's side,
I think you kin't got the best three players, like
a collection of three players. Yeah, they got a strong,
the freshman strong. Of course they got paid back and
(01:18:39):
she's probably the best player that's left in the tournament.
If you asked me, and then you got azy fud.
She back, she back in full of fact. You know,
she healthy again and she she could easily be a
first team All American if it wasn't for the for
the injury. So I'm going with that big three sleepers.
Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
That little the Asian girl that came from Princeton to
point Guard had twelve.
Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
I think she had twelve last night.
Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
Yeah, she is.
Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
She knows how to run. She run.
Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
She helped run that team too, so at the point
so if you called it tough, you call tough.
Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
But that big avatoll c l a.
Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
Yeah and shout out the key key rance out there.
Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
You know we said I know.
Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
About her. Oh she ain't gonna be and be physical
like that against Gena reference. They're gonna officiate her different
against Gino, right, you see that.
Speaker 6 (01:19:36):
I know we said that. We I know we said
somebody the Cinderella's. But do y'all like that the big
Dogs is the last four?
Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yes, yeah, uh huh.
Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Not me like as a I do, but I don't
like as a fan of the game. Like of course
my alma mater is dating some route for Dayton. So
I'm looking at hey, if we we didn't lose those
two players that left, you know what I mean. Now
you you talking about you making a run in Attorney,
you know what I'm saying. I mean last year they
were sweet sixteen with the team that they had. You
(01:20:12):
come back with your whole mob. You know, you got
a chance to do something, do something in the tournament.
So you miss your number one score and your number
two score and you got to rely on your three
or four score to lead you all the way there.
Speaker 2 (01:20:25):
You know, it's tough as a fan of the team
that you want to win.
Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
But.
Speaker 6 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I just wanted to get you all respective on
it because you know, like some people like they like
the cream of the crop the rise and you know,
and sometimes you know, you have got some of them
center rulers that got there, and you know it was
kind of a dud.
Speaker 3 (01:20:45):
So you know, I was wonder because for.
Speaker 6 (01:20:46):
Me, yeah, these these been these been the four teams
that's been the best all year.
Speaker 3 (01:20:51):
So you know, to me, this year is exception.
Speaker 6 (01:20:54):
Where I am glad to see these teams because they
have proved they've been the guys all year.
Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, I don't care who win as
long as Duke don't win.
Speaker 5 (01:21:02):
I ain't do.
Speaker 4 (01:21:03):
I can't stand. I can't stand.
Speaker 3 (01:21:11):
Stepped on old boy.
Speaker 11 (01:21:12):
I don't like.
Speaker 13 (01:21:14):
Hey, listen, I think I like them boys from Houston.
Speaker 7 (01:21:16):
They played hard, but then the money, the money, the
money go the money.
Speaker 8 (01:21:22):
Speaking to me, Hey, Chris, look about to put my
plays and I'm gonna call you when.
Speaker 3 (01:21:27):
We get off. Call me.
Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
I got it's written down. Hey, you're about to get it.
Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
That boy. You know something.
Speaker 7 (01:21:42):
Listen, I'm Houston fact. I like them boys, boys played hard,
but I'm just you know, follow the man.
Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
I double this got double Yeah. Man, Man, I think
I think you're talking. I think you're talking to Michael
Porter brother.
Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
Yeah. Man, but man, let me get you boys out
of here. I know I kept y'all long and than
what I told you I was gonna keep you man.
But look, we appreciate all of you, all of you
exceptional former athletes and still doing great things you know
out here, you know, being impactful. We definitely appreciate you
(01:22:26):
joining us and spending time with us telling your story.
I know our viewers and listeners you know, was ecstatic
to hear all of your stories about n Cuba, about
your individual journeys a but your team journeys, about your
opinions on nil and the transfer portals. I thought it
was all exceptional and for the No Cashportial podcast, we
(01:22:47):
want to thank you from the bottom of our heart
and with that being saying, more money, get us out
of here.
Speaker 2 (01:22:52):
Brother.
Speaker 15 (01:22:53):
To all our viewers and listeners, I hope you enjoyed
tonight's show. Please like, comment and subscribe to they show.
And with that being said, we are.
Speaker 11 (01:23:04):
M salute, I bless you all right now. Yeah h
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