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May 3, 2022 74 min

Lily connects with TJ Rivers, founder and owner of Venturhaus, a design studio focused on off-grid and mobile living. 

Their conversation spans climbing, van life, gender, sexual orientation, relationship structures, communal living, skateboarding, learning differences, the narrow measures of the public school system, overcoming major obstacles and setbacks, entrepreneurship, and paving our own way. 

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