CAPITAL… Your New God | with Aaron Scott - The Other Side of Fear

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Kertia (00:00):
Hello everyone, just a quick announcement before we
jump in.
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resonate with theseconversations.
I also quickly want to say thatfor this episode, I had an

(00:45):
issue with my throat.
I'm not sure what washappening, but for the entire
month, my throat was giving me ahard time.
Maybe it's a throat chakraissue.
I don't know.
I'm still trying to figure itout.
But needless to say, thisconversation was so much fun.
I spoke with Aaron Scott.

(01:06):
He is a personal developmentcoach who speaks a lot on the
topic of conscious capitalismafter spending almost two
decades working on Wall Street.
So he has quite a uniqueperspective on a lot of the
systemic issues that deeplyimpact us all.

(01:27):
And a lot of what he speaksabout in this conversation is
also the focal point of hispodcast, The Evolved Podcast,
where he explores how social,religious, and economic systems
profoundly shape ourconsciousness, which truly
highlights the various delusionswe've all agreed to operate

(01:52):
under.
So his current work is reallyfocused on helping people regain
clarity in their lives and toreturn to their own inner
alignment.
I truly feel that this is sucha powerful conversation because
listen to him speak was such agrounding experience.

(02:16):
And I honestly feel like it'sthe perception shift that we've
all needed for a very long time.
And I'm really interested toknow what you all think about
this conversation.
So you can text us by findingthe send us a text link, which
you'll see just above the shownotes below this episode.

(02:40):
Alright, let's get into it.
Alright, Erin, I'm really umexcited to get into this
conversation with you.
My throat is a little bit off.

unknown (02:58):
Okay.

Kertia (02:58):
So it's a bit of a struggle.
Uh my apologies if I'm coughingall the time in between, but I
will mute myself if I am soinclined.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
If I feel like I'm choking.
Okay.
It might I might add like someauthenticity, so you might not
want to want to can't you knowcancel the sound.

Kertia (03:20):
No, if I know like it's gonna be a big one, then yeah.
Usually I will just like leanback and just do my thing.
But yeah, if it's a big one thatI feel like my throat has been
off for the past week.
So maybe it's just a lot of thetalking.
Maybe I need to give my myselfsome throat care.
All right, let's get into it.

(03:41):
So you talk a lot about thesystems in society, and you also
talk about spiritual awakeningand a lot of realizations that
happen in between that.
You said you spent a long timeon Wall Street, so you have like
a blend of like reallyconcrete, grounded society

(04:06):
stuff, and then you have alsothis um spiritual realization um
happening, right?
So, first, what I'd like to getinto to provide some context
into where you're coming from,I'd love to know do you have any
type of spiritual or religiousupbringing?

(04:27):
Like, what was that like foryou?
Like, give me a little bit of agist of what your upbringing
was like, and kind of like howyou got into um the work that
you've been doing for such along time.

Aaron (04:43):
Yeah, so I was raised, I guess, in a quasi religious
upbringing.
My father was um was anobservant Jew, and um I don't
know if you're familiar with thereligion, but uh most of like
the prayers and like highholiday celebrations are

(05:09):
conducted in Hebrew, right?
And I kind of like noticed froma young age that like people
would just kind of like go totemple and congregate and recite
prayers for hours, havingabsolutely no idea what they
were singing.
They weren't like reading thetranslations, right?

(05:31):
And so from a very young age, Iwas kind of like suspect, if
that makes sense, of like oflike the whole of like the whole
structure.
I was kind of like okay, I getit, and I believe in like a
higher you know power, but likethis certainly is a strange way

(05:56):
of tapping into that, and um itdidn't really seem like a real
connection anyway.
So even if like you agreed, oreven if you even if like you
could decipher what was being umyou know said in the prayers,
or you like read thetranslations, even then you're

(06:16):
still kind of in many ways likedisconnected from anything
really spiritual, right?
So from a very like from avery, very young age, I was kind
of again, I was kind of likesuspect, or I was kind of
wanting, if you will, right?
And um really all my life I'vehad a very acute interest and
thirst for information andknowledge.

(06:36):
I can't really explain it morethan that.
You know, at university, whenall of my friends were studying,
you know, accounting andfinance, I was I, you know, I
was studying philosophy andeconomic theory because I just I
just always had like this Idon't know, deeper drive or
deeper interest and meaning forthings I want.
I wanted to understand whythings were set up the way they

(06:57):
were.
I wanted to understand what theyou know the foundation, the
bedrock was for um you knowmorals, values, I mean the whole
the whole thing, really.
So so you know, my kind ofjourney, I would say formally
probably started at at theuniversity, uh, at the time

(07:18):
around the university, uh, whereagain I was doing a lot of just
kind of research through mycoursework and trying to
understand things better.
I came to kind of a uh so I'vebeen I've been you know I've
been kind of going along thispath for you know over two
decades, really.
And again, to your point, II've had this real kind of like

(07:41):
practical experience withworking on Wall Street.
I've also um founded somecompanies and I've been kind of
in the mix, right?
So which I think lends a niceperspective, obviously a
practical perspective.
About, you know, a couple ofyears ago, I kind of like
reached a breaking point um withmyself, where again, um, well,

(08:07):
to back up, you know, kind ofwhen I went into the industry
when I started working on WallStreet, I kind of consciously
knew at the time that I had toliterally like push off an
entire side of my my being.
It's one way that I couldreally like conceptualize what I
was doing.
But I knew that in order inorder to kind of like pursue
this life, I had to block out apart of myself.

(08:30):
Um, what part of myself thatwas, I didn't necessarily, I
wasn't really necessarily ableto verbalize at the time.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:37):
Uh now I kind of have been able to.
But but what happened you know,what kind of happened and what
accumulated over all the yearsis I I kind of like kept having
to push back, and it created, Ithink, in many ways, kind of
like mini trauma.
Year after year, I was losingyou know, close relationships, I
was not valuing friendship, Iwas not again, kind of my entire

(09:00):
ethical, call it moral,whatever you want to call it,
infrastructure was justcompletely eroded.
And I had to keep up withperformance.
I had to always be focusing onmoney myopically, always be kind
of like glued to my desk.
And I was just kind of like,you know, I have two young
children, I was kind of like,what the what the heck am I
doing?
You know, let's take a stepback and reassess what's going

(09:21):
on here.
And kind of at the time, givenagain all the kind of work that
I've done and my you know, kindof high-level understanding, and
even the work that I did um ona more iterative base iterative
basis, and then after um reallyformalizing this effort, um I

(09:42):
started expressing these things,I think, in in more of kind of
like this context, if that makessense.
That gives you hopefully thatgives you a decent background.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah.
First, what you were justsaying about, you know, about
your religion.
I think like a lot of religionshave that issue.
Like whether you go to achurch, a synagogue, um, a
mosque, you know, reading thetask, not really connecting with

(10:12):
what the task is saying, youknow what I mean?
And you're congregating,you're, you know, talking to
your friends, you're just theresitting absorbing information
that's been given to you.
You kind of like leave theinterpretation of what is
written to the priest or thepastor, um, or whoever it may

(10:36):
be, the imam, you know.
So I find that it happens a lotin religious institutions.
And then you kind of go homeand go about your regular life,
and nothing much changes, andyou're still disconnected, and
you're still unhappy, and you'restill stuck in a lot of the

(10:56):
cycles that you're stuck inevery single day, and not much
is different about you or yourlife, or your understanding
about life, or yourunderstanding about yourself and
your purpose, and all thosethings.
So I found it like reallyamusing when you said that
because I've observed thatliterally everywhere.

(11:18):
It's everywhere.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
And it's right and funny.
And look, and you know, kind ofa big part of my effort again
is to really go back to theorigin stories of every
religion, of and looking, and indoing so, what you find, and
I'm sure that you're aware ofthis, but you find like a real
before the before the texts umwere completely um altered,

(11:45):
right?
With Christianity, this tookthis took place um at the
Council of Nicaea when the RomanEmpire decided to take over the
religion.
There were massive changes madeto the text, there were
additions, there weresubtractions.
I mean, you name it.
Um this happened with with uhJudaism during the Babylonian
exile, which was the major kindof change to the text where um

(12:08):
you know kind of kind of likethe the priest, the priestly um
status was incorporated, and theand the there was some real
kind of ardent um focusing onlike dogmatic, legal, kind of
rigid doctrine.

(12:30):
Uh so anyway, it took placewith you know within Islam, you
know, Prophet uh you knowMuhammad married a woman, and
the feminine kind of componentwas part of the story for a long
time, and then there was kindof like this patriarchal
institutionalization.
So, you know, this is thisinstitutionalization took took
place across all, certainlyAbrahamic religions, but even in

(12:52):
the Eastern philosophies,right?
And um this was kind of when Istarted learning this stuff, it
was kind of like a realrevelation for me.
And it kind of you know onlyfurther quenched my thirst
because I wanted to understandwhy that happened, right?
Why are rabbis theintermediaries?
Why are priests, why, why aremale sorry, why are you know

(13:13):
male rabbis the intermediaries?
Why are why are male prieststhe ones who intermediate
between the individual and thedivine, right?
So again, the you know mypursuit has been in many ways to
understand the the systemicchanges that took place that
compartmentalized spiritualityor the sacred of the divine in

(13:36):
such a way, right?
So um, I don't know if you wantme to keep going, but I I I
can, but but I guess veryquickly, the main takeaway you
see is um a very well widespreadknowing of the divine, the
sacred, the spiritual ineveryday life, right?

(13:58):
Before the institutionalizationof religion, the divine was
accessed through the everydayexperience.
Yeah.
It wasn't something that wasrelegated to holidays or to
going to a temple or a church.
It was something that could beaccessed and experienced.
Every day you could see it, youcould recognize it.
You know, everything from the,you know, the um lunar cycles,

(14:22):
solar cycles, the um themenstrual cycle that women have,
the, you know, there is analignment, there is an
attunement with everything thatgoes on.
We are, we are part of nature,we are not living in nature,
right?
There is a symbiosis, there isan ecosystem that transcends
many planes, right?
And I, and what basically whatI've what I was able to kind of

(14:46):
deduce, I think, is whattranspired is, you know, in
order to institutionalizereligion, you have to remove
those things that cannot bedogmatic and that cannot be
enforced and rigid.
And and there was this realunderstanding of the of the
masculine versus the femaleessences forces, right?

(15:08):
The masculine was sort of thethe the energy of like
reciprocity and regeneration andum deeper meaning and emotion.
And and the male was kind oflike the the, you know, think of
it like kind of like the theforce that allows um the deeper

(15:30):
meaning to transcend to thisrealm, you know, like like um
logic for the man versus uhversus you know mystical
understanding or deeper meaningfor the world.
And and you s and you see thiskind of all over the place.
You even see it in scripturewhere with the um the Holy
Trinity is really in truth, it'sit's that it's it's an alchemy

(15:52):
where they talk about where it'sreally about you know the the
masculine thought and thefeminine emotion coming together
and then creating in the world.
So so there was a suppressionof of this feminine energy,
right?
And um it it was probably thegreatest spiritual shift that
that mankind or humankind hasexperienced.

(16:12):
And it's it's created what wenow have as as religions.
It was a it was an overtremoval of part of part of this
spirituality or this divineconnection that we have and can
experience you know every singleday.
Um, I've got a lot more to sayon that, but I'll stop there.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah.
I love everything you justsaid.
Um going back to, and we'regonna get into this some more,
but first, going back to whatyou were saying about when you
were working on Wall Street,when you were so kind of like
disconnected from yourself anddisconnected from your life,

(16:49):
right?
When did you begin, at whatpoint did you begin to kind of
deconstruct your own identityand your kind of like place in
the world and what your place inthe world truly means?
Um, because you were like, asyou said, like you were like so

(17:12):
focused on work, you were at thedesk, you kind of didn't um at
a time, you weren't uh havingthis wholesome experience where
there was this harmonizingbetween who you are as an
individual versus like therelationships around you, you

(17:33):
know, like making space forthat, the relationships around
you, your relationship to life,your relationship to yourself.
Because, you know, listening toyou, what I heard was you were
pretty much cut off from who youtruly were.
And so because of that, ithindered your ability, you it
hindered your ability to connectwith others, right?

(17:55):
So I'd love to know how did youbegin to deconstruct your own
identity and you know, like whatthat meant for you.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, so um I would say that again, my I was kind of
acutely aware again of who Iwas or who I am when I embarked
on, you know, kind of myprofessional endeavors.
But I also knew that in orderto um operate within the

(18:27):
systems, right, within theconstruct of society economic
systems, that I had to umascribe values and beliefs to
whatever those systems were.
It's just just part of the it'sjust part of the deal, right?
If you're going to operate in acapitalist framework, then in

(18:48):
order to succeed, you must uhabide by and adhere to the
respective ideology, which whichis kind of maybe not known to
people, but you know, the ideaof like the end justifies the
means, the um the idea that youknow the the kind of like
shareholder maximizationideology where you know the

(19:09):
bottom line, all that matters isthat the shareholder is
maximized, right?
Like literally, that's that'sthe company's moral obligation,
right?
So if it means that you haveto, maybe it's legal, but you
have to destroy an entire um youknow ecosystem by taking down
rainforests in Brazil, that'spart of the deal.

(19:29):
Like that's just what it is.
So what people don't realize isthat that ideology bleeds into
the individual who is performingor you know, living under that
construct, just the way it is,right?
You may not recognize it, youknow, you may not be self-aware,
but it's what you're doing,right?
You're going and it's and itgoes beyond morals, right?

(19:52):
It goes, it goes into like yourdaily life, where you know you
are waking up at an early hour,you're spending your entire what
you know, your entire daylighthours at work for five out of
the seven days of your week, andthen you're relegating two days
to the weekend, whicheffectively allow you to like
squeeze everything in andrecharge, right?

(20:12):
Yeah so you you you are and andyou might have to do it because
that's what the systemrequires.
That's what the to survive orto thrive past whatever
benchmark you're you're using.
But but that right there, um,not not I'm not judg no
judgment, but that right theretells you, right, where you are

(20:33):
value, where you are valuingyour time and how you value your
existence, quite frankly.
You you must accumulate moneyand you must live your life
according to kind of the mentalframework of just constant
accumulation, which is the samemental framework as what major
corporations do.
It's just constant, endlessgrowth, right?

(20:55):
Probably about two years ago, Ikind of um maybe had a a far
deeper um introspection into myidentity and the kind of
performative identity that I wasuh or character that I was
playing, right, in your in myeveryday life.

(21:15):
Because everybody plays acharacter, whether they want to
recognize it or not, right?
They it's unconsciously orconsciously, right?
Like, yeah, and um what happensis when you grow up and you
live in this in this framework,in this ideology, right?
Again, whether you're consciousof it or not, um you must

(21:36):
contort yourself.
And in doing so, what happensis, and this obviously gets more
intense as you're actuallyperforming in the economy, but
it also happens on a on a on akind of lower, grand, less
grander scale, even witheducation and indoctrination,
where you know your identity isyou know, you you're you're

(21:58):
learning as a child that youknow this there's this kind of
like pass fail or A through Fgrading system, right?
It's regimented, you know,you're taught to memorize
beliefs, not question them,right?
So you you your identity isbased on performance.
Um, you pass or you fail.
This doesn't get lost, right?
So as you go through thesystem, and then again, your

(22:21):
survival is not based onperformance, right?
So you take this performative,almost like mechanized identity,
and then you live your lifebased on that because you have
to.
You're driven by your ego.
You're not allowed to really,you're not allowed to, you know,
the spiritual or the sacred ordivine is, it has to be pushed
aside.
And although you may be abeliever in the back of your

(22:42):
mind, it's what has to happen inorder for you to, you know,
really do what you have to doto, again, survive and live in
this paradigm.
Um, I started doing realintrospection uh again, probably
about two years ago, where Iwas able to dig real, you know,
much deeper into understandingnot just myself, but how a lot

(23:05):
of this stuff can can impact andhas an impact on any
individual, no matter, no mattertheir social status or no
matter their financialsituation, it impacts everybody.
And it goes kind of goesunnoticed and it's unknown.
And it accounts for, for me, itaccounted for a lot of um what
I would call you know trauma anddisconnection.

(23:26):
Uh, and and that I believe isis the same experience that
people are experiencing just byvirtue of being thrown out of
whack with our natural ebb andflow that um we all have inside
of us.
This is not, again, mystical.
This is all part, this is allpart of um our biology, our um,

(23:50):
you know, our neurobiology.
I mean, just it's all kind ofthere.
So I hope that that answers it.
Uh I know that wasn't anefficient response, but I hope
that gives you an idea of whatwhere I'm coming from.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Yeah, definitely.
You know, yeah.
As you were saying, to yourpoint, a lot of our identity,
and I think it takes a long timefor a lot of us to recognize
that a lot of our identity istied up into things that are
that has nothing to do with us,really.

(24:24):
Right?
There is based on achievement.
As you said, there is always aperformance, right?
You show up, you perform, youpass, you fail, you rise, you
fall, all of these things.
So, you know, coming from thatperspective, what does it look

(24:49):
like now when you begin to turnthe tide on that?
Because how have you been ableto, upon recognizing this, or I
guess having been a seeker forsuch a long time, I'm assuming
you've had some level ofrecognizing, you know, like
you've recognized this for sometime, but you had to perform

(25:13):
regardless, as you said.
So I'd love to know now, likehow did you begin to kind of
turn the tide on that?
How can anyone even begin toundo that?
Because as you said, thesociety that we live in requires
us to be a certain way,requires us to put some aspects

(25:33):
of ourselves to the side, as youdid when you were performing in
your role.
Um, when you said, you know, ifthe shareholders require
cutting down trees anddestroying forests, then that's
required.
But that also affects theperson, whether they realize it
or not, on a very deep level.

(25:54):
You look at the forest assomething that is completely
separate from you, that is somethat is that has nothing to do
with you.
And this it's a forest overthere in another country.
It's not affecting youreveryday life, but it does
affect you internally, whetheryou recognize that or not.
So I'd love for you to speak tothat.

Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, sure.
So, you know, I think the Ithink the Amazonian rainforest
destruction, you know, I thinkthat that speaks a lot to, you
know, again, kind of like what alike what a corporation um is
required to do, right?
Now, like a human being, forexample, is required to, let's
say they're running a business,you know, um, and they have

(26:37):
investors and um they need theirprofit margin to increase in
order to keep up with theexpected amount of money they're
supposed to make, right?
So a business is constantlytrying to grow.
It's infinite growth.
Well, what do you have to do asa person to accommodate that
infinite growth or even justmaintain that growth?
Like what you know, what marginare you making on your

(26:59):
products?
Are you a company that isexploiting cheap labor in
Bangladesh to make t-shirts,right?
Like that impacts theindividual.
When you have to, when yourhands or your, you know, when
your actual self touches that,right?
Exploitation, um, takingadvantage of people, right?
It happens with the daily, withthe everyday, with the everyday

(27:21):
worker.
What if, you know, what ifsomebody, you know, let's say
somebody's buying fromwholesale, they're buying
something for two bucks, and andthey can everybody else is
getting it for three bucks, butthey're still looking to make
200% on their on their markup.
I mean, it's just it's littlestuff like that, right?
That impacts individual.
They don't realize it, but itbecomes part of their um

(27:43):
compass, their moral compass.
It's many ways, their moralcompass is overridden by this
new compass, right, whichthey're required to do.
Um and I think that it impactsthem spiritually without them
knowing it.
And um the identity question isa kind of very, very uh broad

(28:10):
question.
And I'll I'll start kind ofanswering it by saying um that
you know we really operate undera lot of illusions.
Okay.
A major illusion that I talkabout, I have an upcoming book,
uh probably we'll be gettingpublished in the next couple
months now.
I'm very excited about, but Italk about the illusion of
separation, which existsglobally, right?

(28:32):
Where we believe that we areseparate from everything around
us, right?
Where we don't believe we'reconnected to nature, we're not
connected to the to otherpeople, we're not connected to
ecosystems.
This is this is a completeillusion.

Speaker 5 (28:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:44):
Why do I say that?
Well, you know, we breathe, wewe all exist because of these
ecosystems.
We breathe in air fromvegetation, we expel carbon
dioxide that they breathe.
Um we have, you know, themicrobes in our body come from
the outside world.
We are all part of the samenature.
We are not living in naturewith human beings.

(29:06):
We have mirror neurons thatare, you know, we are in many
ways like structured andprogrammed to receive and you
know operate relationally.
We, you know, we see somebodycry, we we you know cry, we
wince when somebody's gettinghurt.
You know, so we are we aredeeply connected with with other

(29:29):
people.
Now, when you are raised in theparadigm, in the in the in the
scientific materialist paradigmthat we've all been raised in,
everybody knows about guys likeRenee Descartes or Isaac Newton.
All of these guys pushed thescientific materialism, which

(29:50):
and we all we you know, Ilearned it in school as well, in
in grade school, um, and inhigh school, right?
Where everything is material.

Speaker 5 (29:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (29:59):
And like, The spirit or consciousness is just kind of
like a weird, quirky byproduct,right?
Yeah.
But but the but the in truth,what you're learning is that you
know, we are object, we arephysical objects living in this
jungle, in the survival of thefittest jungle, which by the
way, survival of the fittest lieis another great story.
But in in no, in no uh way arespecies ascending or surviving

(30:28):
by cutting themselves off anddestroying other species.
It's well documented that thatit is the it is the symbiotic
ecosystem and the uh dependencyupon other species that propel
species upward in uh in a in anevolutionary capacity.
So that that aside, right?
So when you believe thatthrough you through your whole

(30:48):
life, when you're when you'retold that you have to perform to
excel in society, that you knowyou have industry being set up
to exploit workers and tomaximize profitability for
corporations, when you have beenindoctrinated to believe that
you are just this materialobject by way of your formal
educational schooling, when yourreligions are demanding that
you access the spirituality inGod through an external third

(31:11):
part through an external thirdparty, that you don't have the
ability to access it withinyourself.
Well, what is it telling you,right?
What identity are you garneringfrom that?
Now, most people don't thinkabout it to the in-depth level
that I do.
People might think that I'm,you know, being you know, just
over curious and this is allirrelevant.
But in truth, but in truth, tothink that it's not impacting

(31:32):
you, in my mind, is in in Ithink many like like-minded
thinkers, is to be completelyunconscious.
I mean, to think that you havejust miraculously established
this way to live life thatcoincides with everybody else
because it's just inherent toyour being, this is the biggest,

(31:53):
this is the biggest like levelof confusion because um we
aren't, and this is not how itworks, right?
We we we are learning, we are,we are we are impacted by all of
these many things, all of ourmany experiences, right?
And um this really transcendsmany planes, as do all of these

(32:13):
discussions, but you know, quitesimply where you know you're
identifying again with your yourworth and your material
possessions and your success andyour title and your all these
things, these again are not whoyou are.
Even further, you know, yourthoughts and your emotions are
not who you are.
You you're you know, you'reexperiencing them.

(32:35):
But to say to define yourselfin this sort of like rigid
capacity that like your thoughtsare who you are.
Well, what if one day you'rereally mad at somebody and then
the next day you're really happywith them?
These are fluid experiences,right?
We experience them, but theyare not us.
So the question is, who are we,right?

(32:56):
If not, if we aren't thesethings.
And in kind of my you know,really drilling down endeavor,
it's really hard to not think ofyour identity or your existence
as kind of like I call it likeum like you're a wave in the
ocean, right?

(33:17):
You are we because we're allconnected, right?
So we are kind of like thisunique being experiencing itself
in this form, in like Aaron andKersha's unique form, right?
But again, to say that we arethis wave without an ocean is
completely illogical.

(33:37):
I mean, it makes no sense.
How do you define a wave ifyou're not incorporating the
ocean in your definition of it?
It's just, and this is how, butthis is how we construct our
lives.
This is how we live our lives.
We live our lives as if we arethis singular wave, not attached
to source, not attached toanything divine or sacred.
And guess what?
When you live your life in thatschism, when you adopt these

(33:59):
ideologies, it impacts you on avery deep mental spiritual
level.
And this is really kind of likea big part of what I'm looking
to reveal to people.
And in doing so, I believe thatpeople, if they're empowered

(34:23):
with this kind of informationand they're able to kind of like
um get more curious and dig alittle deeper, then they then
these people too will realizethat they are not, you know,
forced to identify with thesevapid things that will never
make you happy.

(34:43):
Forget about even identity.
They won't make you happy.
They're not who you are.
So that's you know, that's kindof my effort.
And I saw a big void kind of inthat practice with kind of like
spirituality, um, in that a lotof people were looking to kind
of like transcend the plane andaccess or think of spirituality
in like a different realm.
But in truth, spiritualityexists in our everyday lives.

(35:06):
We've just been taught that itdoesn't by our own religions,
whether we want to look at itthat way or not.
We just don't, we can't makethe connection.
But we don't have to go tochurch to access the divine.
We don't have to go to aninstitution, just not reality.
So, and I don't mean to be likerude or like to be, I'm not

(35:26):
trying to be like disrespectful,but to live your life
identifying who you are, the waythat you are, in this
performative, object-based,disconnected from spirit or
divine identity, is to bedelusional.
You are living a, you areliving a you are living a

(35:47):
fragmented, delusional life, andit creates a diluted reality
for you, right?
So all of these people, whichis really remarkable when you
think about it, because all ofthese people who are spiritual
and are trying to incorporatespirituality into their lives,
like they're looked upon asbeing like strange.
Why?
Because society has beenindoctrinated to look at life

(36:11):
the complete opposite way.
And it's by virtue of oursocial systems and how we
internalize the requirements,both consciously and
unconsciously.
These are this is just thefact.
So again, I found a disconnectbetween the practical and the
spiritual.

(36:32):
So I really feel like if we canmake that connection for if I
can make that connection forpeople, it will have a positive
impact in awakening and inrealization.
I just gobbled up so much time,I'm sorry.
But I wanted to kind of giveyou I want to give you kind of
like, you know, where this comesfrom and why.
And I know personally, and it'salso kind of like, wow, why do

(36:52):
you care?
Why are you doing this?
Well, I experienced so muchkind of like pain and trauma
living this schism and knowingwhat other people are going
through.
Um, not and and in many ways,kind of like being burdened in
the survivalist mentality, itforces you to it blocks you off
from any kind of like higherlevel of consciousness.

(37:14):
So you're always surviving,your ego is controlling you.
You operate out of out of umhabit and reaction, no
introspection, right?
Um, and I see the world, andit's you know, although people
are awakening, we're still in areally dark place.
And I feel like anything that Ican do to kind of like empower

(37:38):
people to you know, restructureidentity and to realize that
they are not chained by thesesystems, that they are bigger
than these systems, that theyare bigger than their identity.
I I view that as kind of like anecessary thing to do.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
You've been doing great, by the way.

unknown (38:11):
Let me get my water.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Are you laughing at my response or you're laughing
at your cough?

Speaker (38:21):
I'm laughing at it all.
Okay.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
Why do you not agree with me?
You think what's so fun?
What's so funny?

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I agree with everything you just said.

unknown (38:31):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
It is so true.
Listen, human beings arepossibly the most delusional
creatures on this planet.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Well, it's easily, easily manipulated, that's for
sure.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
Uh, yes.
And as you said, it's all itall goes back to, as you were
saying, believing that we arethe wave, not recognizing our
connectedness to the whole, tothe entirety of everything, to
each other, to nature, tosource, and even, you know,

(39:09):
religious people may think,well, you go to church or you go
to the synagogue or you go to amosque or whatever, and you
think that that is yourconnection to source.
But as you said, like yourconnection to source has nothing
to do with a building, it hasnothing to do with anyone else,
it has nothing to do with thisthird party that you need to go

(39:30):
through.
It's in you, it's alreadywithin you.
You are already experiencingyour connection to source every
single day in the very air thatyou breathe, right?
So we have kind of like lostthat concept entirely, and
because of that, that is whywe're so, of course, easily

(39:54):
manipulated, because we havelost touch of all of that, our
interconnectedness to everythingthat is here.
But going back to your point,as you know, where we are today
in the world as a society, youknow, as a collective, I know

(40:17):
like it looks like the world isburning, like everything is
upside down, but I I do see moreof these conversations
happening.
So I don't think we're a lostcause, but I want you not, I
mean, like, I want to know,like, from your perception,

(40:37):
right?
What do you think we can do?
And of course, it's it startswith the individual first, of
course.
But how do we deconstruct thissociety to create something that
is truly focused on peoplefirst, to truly focus on you

(40:57):
know, like what is in ourgreatest good, you know?
Do you think that's evenpossible?
Or will it take some type ofcatastrophe for us to begin to
redirect ourselves?

Speaker 4 (41:15):
I think that um our reformation, if you will, is far
easier done than than perceivedor than thought probably about
by people.
And I think that we need to, Ithink, I think in order to frame
the conversation correctly, orin order to even look at this

(41:37):
idea of like a revolution, forexample, right?
A reformation, a revolution.
We we always default tochanging the external in order
to change the internal, right?
This is the fundamental flaw.
So look at any revolution inthe past.
Look at the the uh you know,look at the Russian Revolution,

(42:00):
Chinese Revolution, um, in manyways, even the American
Revolution, uh, or the FrenchRevolution for that matter.
All of these systems werechanged and overthrown through
an external ideology, through anew mechanism of governance.
Guess what?
There was no thought given tothe internal soul of the

(42:21):
society.
You know, so so right there,this is this is the problem.
So we're always like, oh, thisthis candidate is gonna change
everything.
And what are they gonna change?
They are beholden to aneconomic system.
Capital right now ruleseverything, just the way it is.
Politicians are corrupt,corporations have to perform,

(42:42):
otherwise, they'll go out ofbusiness.
People are starving to survive,right?
So everything answers tocapital.
Period, end of story.
If you have capital as yourGod, if you have capital as your
governing body, it is bydefinition soulless in this in
this form, right?

(43:03):
We need to look inward.
We the revolution will not betelevised.
You know why?
Because it happens with everyindividual on an individual
basis.
And what does that look like?
Well, it looks like you don'tfight the system or the or the
corruption system on its ownterms.

(43:24):
You can't uh you can't approachit that way.
You're not gonna win that way.
You don't have enough power orcloud or so you have to you have
to go about it by by having anindividual change.
And through thattransformation, that individual
will experience.
And it doesn't have to be thislike transcendental, you know,
moving to Tibet level.
It happens on a day-to-daybasis.

(43:46):
It's about reincorporatingwhat's been removed from you or
what you've removed fromyourself as part of your daily
life because your spirituality,your sacred connection, your
divine connection has never beenremoved from you.
It's been forgotten, or it'sbeen um kind of like you've been

(44:08):
so distracted that you don'thave the ability to focus on it.
So it's my belief that byincorporating spiritual, sacred
type practices into your dailylife and reframing your thinking
around identity and how youapproach the world on a
day-to-day basis, this is howthings change.
And it's through truth andknowledge because people don't

(44:30):
have a true understanding ofthings.
This misinformation,disinformation, forget about
like on a spiritual religiouslevel.
I mean, that was like thebiggest, the biggest hijacking
of spirituality, you know, byinstitutions, you know,
centuries ago.
You know, we have to kind ofclaw back from that.
But, you know, on a day-to-daybasis, where whether it's, you

(44:50):
know, why isn't it normal for usto meditate for 15 minutes
every morning?
Why isn't it normal for us togive ourselves things like you
know affirmations, to toconsciously adjust our reality
as we face today?
Why is why isn't thatimportant?
Well, because it's thought ofas like crazy talk.

(45:12):
It's thought of as notrelevant.
Or so it's it's these smallsteps by re you know, I call it
like kind of like adisintegration and then a
remembering, where we where wedon't allow these systems in our
daily, you know, professionallife or work control all of our

(45:32):
consciousness, where we let backin our spiritual consciousness
into the equation.
Yeah, that's how things change.
That's how systems change.
And because all of thesesystems are embodiments of our
consciousness, whether we wantto recognize it or not.
Yeah, they really are.
You people want to place blame,and you know, these guys are

(45:54):
manipulating the world.
These guys are it's a it's areciprocity, it's a give and
take.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (45:59):
You know, if you want to be the victim, you can, but
guess what?
You have the ability to create,you have the ability to change.
And so too, do we as a societyhave the ability to change the
nature of these systems, tochange the consciousness behind
these systems?
That's the truth.
We created it, we can changeit.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
Yeah, I love that you pointed that out because it's
so easy to look at what'shappening and think that is
completely external, like it'sthe corrupt guys, it's the bad
guys, and they did this and theydid that, and they're making
all the wrong choices.
But everything that we see inthe world today is possible
because we participated in it,right?

(46:38):
We co-created everythingtogether: the wars, the
starvation, everything.
Everything that anyone can lookdown and say, oh, this is a bad
thing, and these are the peoplewho are responsible for it.
Yes, we know that there aredirect players in it, but we
indirectly also have a hand init.

(46:59):
We help to co-create thesethings by the things that we
agree to, by our for byforgetting, you know, our core,
who we are, coming back to ouridentity, our spirituality, by
forgetting how interconnected weare.
And in so doing, then it'seasily, then we easily get

(47:19):
manipulated and distracted andfearful, and then making choices
based on the fears that we havefrom the things that we have, I
guess, ingested from society.
And so everything that comesout from that, that this is why
the world looks the way itlooks.
And so, like to your point,that that is exactly it.

(47:43):
We created everything as it is.
So who is to be blamed, really?

Speaker 4 (47:49):
And and and like and we can we can exactly, and he
look, there's definitely peoplewho there's definitely people
who are perpetrating uh and whoare corrupt and who are looking
to take advantage of this kindof like schism, right?
There are people, most people,however, who are you know who
are power players who have a lotof money, I don't even think
they're aware of like themetaphysical minutia going on.

(48:10):
I really don't think.
I think maybe there are maybethere, I'm sure there are people
in the know um who um arefamiliar with with kind of this,
but I would say on a on amajority basis, that's just not
the case, right?
Um but what I what I will sayis that um trying to think our
best to to kind of phrase this,but what I will say is that it's

(48:35):
really easy to connect kind ofwhat's going on when you look at
ideas like balance andreciprocity, right?
Like right there.
The universe operates withcomplete, you know, the what is
what is the uh what is the thecomplete efficiency in the in

(48:56):
the most um direct mannerpossible, something to that
effect, right?
Like like the hexag thehexagonal shapes of honeycombs
are for a reason.
It's maximum efficient, oh no,it's least amount of effort,
maximum efficiency.
That's that's the program ofthe universe.
It's what it's why you know uma bubble forms the way it does.

(49:18):
It's why honeycombs are shapedthe way they are.
It's it's when light travels,that's the path it takes, right?
We too should be operatingalong that kind of same program.
But we've we've kind of likeput this like override program
on where balance isn't part ofthe equation, efficiency isn't
real efficiency isn't part ofthe equation.
We are sacrificing and we aredoing, you know, that's not the

(49:41):
way the universe works.
We have no balance.
Reciprocity is not part of thepart of the discussion.
Extraction and optimization iswhat we look at, right?

Speaker 5 (49:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
So right there on those three basic levels, you
can kind of start to understandwhere we're lacking.
And I think anybody, anyconscious human being, would
recognize that they areimbalanced and that they're not
always looking to give and take.
They're mostly looking to take,take, take, take, take.

Speaker 5 (50:10):
Right?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Just like very basic stuff.
You can you can start piercingthe veil and understanding where
that kind of disconnection inideology or even just you know
conscious awareness has takenplace and has and has um really
uh shown itself in everydaybehavior.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:33):
It's really simple to get it's really simple to make
the connection.
It's just it's about seeing itand understanding why it's why
it's the way it is.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, and just um, you know, going back to what you
were speaking about at thebeginning, about suppressing the
feminine energy, you know, whenit comes to religion and a lot
of our belief system, actually,because uh, you know, like it
all starts from the samefoundation, like being

(51:05):
interconnected with everythingelse, operating from a space,
from your heart space, from loveand all of these things.
And like we can see howeverything gets distorted after
time, even the Easternreligions, right?
They they also have their owndistortions.
So I'd love for you to kind ofspeak to that some more as well,

(51:27):
and and how that kind of playsa role into what we see today.
Because I mean, I know this isreally broad because this can go
in every direction possible.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
That means it's a good question.

Speaker (51:43):
Literally, it can go in every direction possible, and
we'd be sitting here all daytalking about this is this
alone.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
But just, you know, like from off top of your head,
what you can gather right now,how the suppression and the
depletion of the feminine, ofthe divine feminine, how that
plays a role into the separationthat we see today, into the
distortion that we see today,into the disconnection that we

(52:13):
see today.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Right.
Well, look, I I think that umfirst people have to understand
how impacted they are by theirbelief systems and their
ideology, whether it's kind ofin their face or not, right?
So I think that's kind of likea the first step people have to
make.
And they, you know, peoplethink, I think today people

(52:36):
think that like they are fullyautonomous and they're like
they're making all the decisionsand nothing has impacted them.
Their consciousness is alltheirs, and nothing else around
them has impacted them.
And they were able to discernwhether or not something's
impacting them.
If you talk to somebody andhave an interaction, it's
impacting you.
You are now changed because ofthat interaction.

(52:57):
Whether they said hello orgoodbye or had a two-hour
discourse, it doesn't matter.
You're you you're you'reimpacting and you're changed.
People, I don't think, can makethe connection on a deeper
level or on a deep level, howthese changes manifest in their
being or in their consciousness,right?
Um, I can certainly go into youknow where the institu where

(53:18):
the institutionalization kind oftranspired if you'd like, but
you know, basically when youwhen you go back to the reason
for the institutionalization,right?
You had uh you had basically,you know, you had people who
were living on this planet, andthere were like forces that were

(53:43):
outside of their control.
Whether it was naturaldisasters or famine or
competing, you know, I don'tknow, enemy, whatever it was,
people trying to kill, you know,whatever it was.
You had things that were out ofthe out of your control, and
especially with respect withrespect to like the divine or to
the sacred, right?
And when kind of the initialinstitutionalization took place,

(54:05):
it was kind of on the back ofthat where people were, I think,
trying to wrap their handsaround the idea of God or the
source or you know, whatever,however you want to kind of, or
however they digested it, right?
And um basically, you know,people had kind of like direct

(54:30):
communion with like with thedivine through like you know
moon cycles or dreams andrituals, right?
These kind of became formalizedinto institutional beliefs,
yeah, right.
So, so you had um, you know, associeties grew more complex,

(54:51):
spiritual authority moved fromlike the collective, the
everybody, you know, the kind oflike the everybody can
experience it to the few.
It was it was kind of likewardened off, you can only
access it again through thisthrough this third party.
And you know, kind of like whatwere they, what were they, what
were they really um cuttingoff?
What was because you can it'sone thing to discuss like, oh,

(55:12):
the sacred feminine, but whatexactly were they doing, right?
And when you look at in truthwhat they were doing, is they
were they knew that in order forthem to take control or power
and and structure society theway that they wanted to, that
they would have to usurp thenatural order of the universe,

(55:34):
the natural order of earth, thenatural order of the human
being.
Because anybody who is anybodywho was in tune spiritually
with, I mean, or just in tunewith themselves, knew that this
rigid institutionalization wasin direct opposition to
everything that they were taughtabout the sacred or divine or
spiritual.

(55:54):
This is why we had the, this iswhy we had the Inquisition,
this is why we had um, you know,the the holy wars, why we had,
you know, just the dark ages,all these examples of the church
mass murdering people becausethey wouldn't adhere to their to
their new institutionalizedreligion.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
But what they were suppressing wasn't just the idea
of the feminine and her, theywere suppressing this deep
connection that we have to theearth, to the universal order,
to the pattern of things.
This is this is what they weresevering.
And they not only severed thethe uh the sacred feminine, but
they overextended the masculine.
So it wasn't enough, it wasn'tenough to just sever off the

(56:37):
emotional, uh, intuitive, youknow, tied to cycles and rhythms
and vibration part of yourself.
Then they had to overextend themasculine.
The masculine, in truth, issupposed to be this kind of like
protective entity, this logicthrough which action is
directed, right?

(56:58):
This kind of a framework, themountain versus the lake or the
river, like that kind of themountain being the masculine in
a metaphorical sense, the thefeminine being like the river.
So kind of kind of stuff likethat as a kind of a framework.
Um, and what happened wasinstead of the masculine simply
kind of keeping things in orderand keeping a balance in order,

(57:21):
it became a just it wasperverted, distorted, inverted,
overexcepted, whatever you want,whatever you want to call it.
And now it's the only governorof kind of action and um even
like morality, right?
Where when you have when youhave this kind of like
logic-based, materialist-based,objectified identity where you

(57:45):
know, kind of like you'reentirely focused, not just
consciously, but you're your theoutput of your actions um are
looking to optimize, maximize,uh, survive, bring in the most
amount of money possible,measuring yourself to other
people, um, you know,identifying with brands and the

(58:06):
goods that you have, right?
This is what that schismcreates.
It creates a misidentification.
And this is this is this isagain a crucial fact that people
don't kind of make theconnection to.
It's it wasn't just about thatsevering from a spiritual sense.
That spirituality manifestsitself in real ways, in the

(58:26):
simple balance of your life,right?
Like we're kind of talkingabout before.
The rhythms of your life,sleeping and waking up, you
know, working 20 hours a day fortwo weeks straight is not
natural.
It's going to impact you,right?
Um, being told that, I mean,there's just so many ways that
you're impacted by it, right?
So, so this is how thatseparation manifests itself.

(58:50):
And you're right, it transcendsin in some way, shape, or form,
it transcended all of thesebelief systems, Eastern
philosophies included, where theman was put above the female
because that is how people wereable to institutionalize and
maintain power and control.
The second you bring back inthe considerations under this

(59:12):
feminine divine energy, thesepower structures crumble.
Because you can't have both.
The end doesn't justify themeans with consideration.
We can't extract forever withconsideration.
We can't grow infinitely withconsideration.
It doesn't work.
These have to be, you know,side note, these have to be uh

(59:32):
reintegrated into the way wepursue our lives, our economic
systems, our businesses.
Because if we don't, we areonly going to keep this
perpetual cycle of you know,more growth, more, more, more,

(59:53):
more, more into an insatiableappetite.
We're not, we're not, no one'sever going to be satisfied
living like this.
And and And one more thingquickly.
If you look at like AI,artificial intelligence, I mean,
what is the better, what is thebetter kind of like example of
this mentality, thisconsciousness?

(01:00:15):
People think that AI is theevolution of humanity, of human
consciousness.
It is it is the most blatantexample of a of our
misunderstanding of humanconsciousness.
If we believe that our humanconsciousness was solely logic,
this masculine energy withoutany connection to the divine or

(01:00:35):
the sacred sacred, then yes,this is what AI is.
But guess what?
We don't even understand ourown consciousness, our own
intelligence.
And we are going to decide thatthis is the destined evolution
of humanity.
It is not.
It is a destined evolution of away of constructing human
consciousness.

(01:00:56):
It is not, it is in directopposition.
And I don't want to get likeprophet, you know, prophetic
here or talk about prophecy, butI mean, if you want to talk
about an idea of an antichrist,I don't know what a better idea
of an antichrist is than a fullysentient artificial
intelligence.
It is the embodiment ofeverything that the society

(01:01:16):
values and everything that thesociety does not value and
doesn't recognize to be evenreal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:01:22):
I'll stop there, but sorry.

Speaker (01:01:27):
I love it.
Oh my goodness.
I'm enjoying this, you know.
I am too.
I'm kind of just sitting backand I'm just like, okay, let's
go there.
You know, I'm kind of justallowing you to go in any
direction that you want.
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
I appreciate the loving it.

Speaker (01:01:49):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:01:49):
I can't I can't tell if you are or not.
I'm like, uh, should I stop?
Should I keep going?

Speaker (01:01:53):
No, no, for real, though.
For real.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
I'm honestly, genuinely enjoying this so much.
I am with you on everythingthat you said.
Um, what does your spiritualitylook like now?

Speaker 4 (01:02:09):
My personal spirituality is about um really
reframing my consciousness on aday-to-day basis.
If you look at you knowaffirmations or manifestation
practices, while I don'tnecessarily agree with a lot of
what those movements have tosay, if you look at the essence

(01:02:31):
of them, it's about the simpleunderstanding that that you are
not your thoughts and your andyour emotions and your feelings,
and that you have power overthem.
You are the one who can impacthow you react or respond to
things going on in your in yourlife.
If something happens to you andyour default kind of like

(01:02:54):
responses to like get worriedand then to recoil and like go
into depression, or you know,that you know, certainly there
are there are like chemicalimbalances at play, but but if
you're going to you know recoilon a kind of a peripheral level,
um you have control over yourresponse.
You you have in many waysdecided to allow that to be a

(01:03:16):
response.
Now, you could also reframe itas look, this terrible happened,
this thing that was terriblehappened to me, um, or something
that I have to deal with.
I'm going to be positive.
I'm going to motivate myself torespond differently, to find
the silver lining here, toreframe my future actions,
right?
It's about taking control ofyour thoughts and your emotions

(01:03:40):
and then living your life inopposition in many ways to the
framework that we have been umindoctrinated to live our lives,
life under, to recognize thatthese things that that people
are so worried about.
I mean, people die over, peopleare killed over land.
Yeah.
I mean, like, I mean, it it'sit's crazy.

(01:04:02):
People are killed over theirbeliefs, yeah, which are most of
the time misinformed by boththe by both the oppressor and
the victim, right?
Like, so so you know, to beable to, you know, for me it's
about really kind of likeregaining autonomy of my of my
consciousness on a day-to-daybasis.
And I do that through um a lotof times just taking a step back

(01:04:26):
through meditation, throughbreath work, through trying to
gain greater perspective.
Um, and in doing so, whatyou'll find is that your ego
loses grip.
Your ego isn't able to be theonly governor of your actions.
If you're able to take awaysome of that power, um, or even

(01:04:50):
just, you know, first of all,the ego isn't all bad.
But if it is the if if it is ifit's controlling and overriding
everything else, yeah, you runinto problems, right?
So, so you know, that's kind ofwhat my um relationship with
the divine looks like.
I'm also very much, again, intune with it and aware of just

(01:05:13):
kind of like my physicalexperience, like knowing that I
need to rest, knowing thatdrinking alcohol um, you know,
just indiscriminately is notgood.
Eating processed foods is notgood.
Not just because like I mightgain weight, but because it's
running counter to the naturalebb and flow, the natural

(01:05:34):
ecosystems of my body.
And don't even don't trust me.
Look at the look at theinformation.
I mean, processed foods call itcause inflammation, call it
cause heart disease, cause Imean, there's so many
indicators.
Companies, you know, were usingthese to because it was cheap
and it was effective and theycould get away with it with the
FDA, but it's not good for you.
So, like these are all kind oflike spiritual, sacred um

(01:05:58):
concepts that that bleed intoeverything.
And yeah, you just have tolook, you just have to look at
it that way.
You have to you have to reframeyour thinking.
So it's about reframing yourconsciousness for me and
welcoming in my actual reality.
Like sounds crazy, butwelcoming in the actual reality
of my full existence, mywholeness.

(01:06:20):
This for me is what awakeningand living consciously is about.
It's it's about reattaching tothe sacred and the divine that
was never lost, was justsuppressed or forgotten or not
even considered.
That that to me is is um thebest way that I can kind of

(01:06:44):
describe it.
And again, importantly, ittranscends all planes, it
transcends your emotions, yourthinking, your everyday
interactions with yourself, withothers, your job, you name it.
It's all part of the equation.
Because again, on a deeperlevel, as you as you noted,

(01:07:04):
everything is connected.
You can't get away from that.
Everything is connected.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah.
Well, yeah.
Thank you so much, Erin.
This has been so much fun.
I'd love for you to get intoyour book, The Architecture of
Awakening.
I'd love to know more what wecan expect from that.
And I'm sure a lot of what wediscussed today, you've
incorporated a lot of that intoyour book.

(01:07:30):
So let's get into that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Yeah, so I definitely have.
I kind of like, I think I gaveaway the I think I gave away all
the the juicy stuff here.
But um, I'm actually it's kindof my cursory title is the
artificial, the the um thearchitecture of awakening.
I may be making a change basedon my my publisher's uh request,
but we'll we'll see whathappens with that.
But you know, just kind of likehigh level, I I the book is

(01:07:55):
about um is about bringingfirst, you know, kind of like
truth and knowledge to people,where either they've been led to
think one thing is one way oranother, and kind of giving
information, not dogmatically,but that allows them to shift

(01:08:17):
perspective and look at thingsdifferently, right?
That that's kind of thebeginning part of the book.
And I talk about things like,again, these this illusion of
separation and how the sacredwas hijacked, institutionalized.
I talk about, you know, likeeveryday things like
consumerism, how that plays arole in objectification.
And then I go into kind of likewhat an awakening looks like,

(01:08:39):
right?
Like what um why recognizingtruth is so difficult when
you've been living your life inan illusion.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:49):
Um, and then like kind of like steps that you can
take to like survive thatreconciliation.
And then I talk about, again,you know, you you kind of asked
us uh before, um, about how wecan collectively, or
individually and collectively,redesign a life um based on

(01:09:10):
these sacred tenets, based onour sacred connection that we've
been severed from.
And then, and then I kind offinish it with, you know, what
for an individual, whatembodying, you know, your true
nature looks like, and how youshould be, or how different
positive ways to kind of likelive your life with this

(01:09:33):
newfound, I call it like kind ofpower, this this newfound
awakening and recognition.
Because in truth, this is aboutempowerment and it's about
sovereignty and it's aboutregaining autonomy because
systems thinking and puttingyourself as a cog in a wheel

(01:09:53):
does the exact opposite.
You are giving up autonomy andsovereignty.
And with a perspective shiftand and reintegrating the sacred
or the divine or the spiritualuh components back into your
life, that this is how you livea, in many ways, a happy and you
know, an autonomous, sovereignlife.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Yeah.

unknown (01:10:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
That's so that's the book right there.
And it's I I think that it, I Ihope that I hope that it was um
executed well because it's it'sa lot, it's heavy, right?
And it's a lot of information.
But I think that the way I didit, I think that it gives people
um a nice path to digest andthen to kind of embody a lot of
what I have to say.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
It definitely sounds like a beautiful piece of a
beautiful piece of work, Erin.
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
We'll see how it's received.
I hope so.
I hope it's well received.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Well, I mean, whoever is meant to receive it will
receive it, right?
That's just that's just kind ofhow it is, you know.
I agree with you.
I agree with you.
We all awaken when we're readyto, right?
So, and that's just how it is.
So, whoever is meant for willfind it and definitely will
receive that.
So, yeah, I would say justcontinue doing the work and just

(01:11:09):
leave the rest to source,right?
Into the energy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:15):
I agree, I agree, I agree, and I also I I I also
agree that um, you know, this iskind of to me like a big life
hack.
Like it's about aligning withsource.
If you can align with like whatyou truly enjoy and what you
truly believe and what trulyinspires you, that's the secret.
It's not about contorting intothis model of what you think is

(01:11:37):
rich, what you think is beingrich or famous or this is not
genuine.
This is a construct.
Yeah, go tapping into who youreally are, that's aligning with
source.
That's really aligning withbecause it's not just about like
the physical things you do,it's about it's your thoughts
and your emotions are part ofthe part of the universe.
There's a universalconsciousness.

(01:11:58):
I mean, physics shows that.
So um anyway, that to me islike a big it's a big part of it
that it goes unrealized.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, even you sayingthat a lot of what you spoke
about today is such a keenreminder of how you know we've
had this separation betweenscience and spirituality for
such a long time, and they're sointerconnected.
They are like the bread andbutter of the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:12:31):
Look at what quantum physics is discovering right
now.

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
I mean, in the quantum realm.
I mean, right there, that hasdebunked hundreds of years of
science to put to to say thatconsciousness precedes the
physical.
Right there, right there,you've already shifted an entire
way of looking at yourself andand and to also recognize that

(01:12:54):
that your that yourconsciousness impacts that
field.
Yeah.
Right?
Like that changes everything.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
That changes everything.
Even just having a conversationwith you right now, we are
impacting each other.
Something is shifting, whetheryou recognize it or not.
If you say hello to someone onthe elevator, right?
If you smile at someone, youare shifting something without
recognizing that.
It's all energy, it's allfrequency.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
That's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
Exactly right.

Speaker 4 (01:13:27):
So, I mean, yeah, just with us with us existing as
vibrations.
I mean, we are just we are justenergy.
We're just but no one livestheir life that way.
No, everyone thinks thatthey're you know skin and bone.
It's another, it's anotherillusion, right?
So people live in theseillusory constructs.
They have this illusory senseof everything, really.

(01:13:48):
And we need to bring backreality into people's lives.
It's really it's really thatsimple.
This isn't about bringing inlike hocus pocus fairy tales
into your life.
It's about bringing realityback into the fold.
Uh it sounds crazy, and peoplethink like people think that
what we're talking about iscrazy, but in truth, as I said

(01:14:09):
before, it's about dilutedreality versus real reality.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
Real reality, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
It's really what it is.
So hopefully we get there soon.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Thank you so much for this conversation.
This was so much fun.
Um, tell us where we can findyou, find your work.
Anything that you're working onthat you like to mention,
please feel free.
And um, your socials oranything else that we need to
know about you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Yeah, so I'm not I'm not too active on social media.
I find it like hard to likejust kind of like I feel like
it's like very, I don't know,performative.
I don't I don't do I don't doacting very well.
But um I have a podcast calledThe Evolved Podcast with Aaron
Scott.
It's it's not a it's not a hostguest podcast, it's it's a
podcast of me discussing a lotof um sort of misperceived

(01:15:01):
truths about things and giving abackground on a lot of the
systems that we live in and alot of the things that those
systems kind of create and umgiving kind of the full story or
the full picture so that peoplegain a better perspective or a
deeper understanding.
Um, so again, the evolvedpodcast with Aaron Scott.

(01:15:21):
And then I have my book, TheArchitecture of Awakening.
That title may change, but I'mexpecting that to come out in uh
in a couple months now, justworking with the publisher and
finalizing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:15:30):
That sounds amazing.
Thank you so much, Erin.

Speaker 4 (01:15:34):
Thank you for having me, Kurtra.

Speaker 1 (01:15:36):
I had so much fun speaking to Aaron.
Thank you so much forlistening.
Thank you for your continuedlove and support.
And please remember to headover to YouTube to see the
visuals for these audiorecordings.
I would truly appreciate yousharing, liking, and subscribing
to our page.

(01:15:57):
I'd also like to do a quickacknowledgement of my place of
birth, my forever home, eventhough I am away from home.
As I am currently recordingthis, my island nation of
Jamaica is experiencing a veryintense hurricane at the moment.

(01:16:22):
So I am sending love and lightto my people.
I am sending lots of prayersand keeping you all in my
thoughts.

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