Ghost Helping... Not Ghost Busting | with Tina Erwin - The Other Side of Fear

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Kertia (00:00):
Before we get into this conversation today, I'm really
interested to know if anyone hasever heard of the term ghost
helping.
Yes, you heard me.
I said ghost helping.
Now, I know that a lot of usmight be familiar with the movie
Ghostbusters, but thisparticular guest would like to

(00:22):
change the phraseology of thatto ghost helpin because that's
what she does.
Self-proclaimed ghost helper,Tina Erwin.
She is really passionate aboutteaching the living how to help
the dead.
This was such a fun,intriguing, and equally

(00:43):
informative conversation.
And I thank Tina so much foreducating us on the other aspect
of life.
And I'm sure that at some pointsome of you might have thought,
well, how do I get rid of aghost?
You've probably heard of sage,salt, candles, Palo Santo.

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But according to Tina, thatjust won't do it.
Because from her experience,they don't have enough
horsepower.
And Tina's here to teach usthat it's not about trying to
get rid of ghosts.
It's about actually helpingthem.
A lot of us have thought ofghosts as a nuisance, as

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something to be feared, as thelast thing you'd want to
encounter.
Because of whatever definitionsor understandings we've
inherited from our variousreligious, cultural, and social
beliefs.
But Tina wants us to understandthat ghosts are people who just
happen to not have a bodyanymore.

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Who, for their own reasons,have chosen not to cross over
and return to the light.
Now, to take that idea a bitdeeper, we can see them as
bodies or forms of energy, justlike we are.
Just different in theirpresentation.
But I won't get too deep herebecause Tina does a fantastic

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job at explaining ghosts and thevarious forms of energies that
can hang around in spaces.
But before we begin, I justwant to say that for those of
you who has had any type ofexperience with death, I just
want to assure you that thisepisode is not meant to be at

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all insensitive.
Tina shared so many comfortingand beautiful messages.
And I also want to acknowledgethat the experience of death is
different for everyone.
This conversation representsonly just a snippet of the
things that can occur during thetransition of life.
Alright, let's get into it.

(02:55):
Okay, Tina.
Very intrigued about your lineof work.
This is just like so out there.
I know it's really interesting,really, it's really fascinating
what you're doing, right?
You refer to yourself as theghost helper.

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But first, before we get intoghost helping, I really want to
know what was it that was yourbiggest influence to venturing
along this path, feeling calledto help ghost.

Tina (03:33):
That's a really great question.
And the answer is that we livedin a haunted house in
Charleston, South Carolina.
My husband and I spent 20 yearsin the Navy, and we both worked
for the submarine force.
We both retired as Navycommanders.
But long time ago, in 1979, wemoved from Italy, where we were

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stationed, to Charleston, SouthCarolina for our jobs.
And we bought a house that was18 months old.
And I mean, I've always been alittle psychic, but I I nearly
lost my mind in that housebecause, of course, my husband
was at sea.
And the first night we werethere, I was there, he wasn't

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there.
This house was 18 months old.
It was a new house.
Nothing had ever been built onthat property that I knew of,
but I didn't know aboutsomething called predecessor
energy.
And the first night I wasthere, I could hear footsteps
walking above me.
But it's a one-story house.

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So what was I hearing?
And and and the house was emptybecause the household goods
hadn't arrived yet.
And I was so terrified.
I don't, I'm I'm not sure I canadequately explain my terror of
this goat.
I didn't know what I wasdealing with, I didn't know if

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that was an animal, but it washeavy.
Clomp, clomp, clomp footsteps.
It was so cliche, you know, itwas incredible.

unknown (05:11):
Oh my god.

Tina (05:12):
But it wasn't just the footsteps.
You know, the longer we livedthere, then it was boom, boom,
boom, pounding on the sides ofthe walls in the house.
And you could hear the plasticfalling on the insides.
You could hear somebody runningdown the hallway, and there's
nobody there.
And and meanwhile, I'm pregnantwith my oldest son.

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And I I um eventually my sistercame to live with me and help
me with you know the baby whileshe was going to college,
because my husband spent 42years at sea.
And so the things thathappened, we had a Halloween
party for some of her friends,and after, I mean, somebody left

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us a bottle of Matheus Rosewine.
Well, I don't drink because I'mfive foot one.
A little tiny alcohol goes avery long way.
So I really don't drink.
The bottle vanished, and thenthat night at we had cleaned up
the kitchen, the house was neatas a pin.
We're sitting on the bed, likesisters do, yakking about what's
going on, what how was theparty?

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We had a pair of Siamese, andall of a sudden the Siamese went
poof! You know how cats get allbig and scared?
It they look like you knowchocolate puff balls.
It was incredible.
And their eyes look like giantblue marbles, thinking and then

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we can hear it.
Clink, clink, like someone's inthe kitchen doing dishes.
It was loud, it was so loud.
My sister and I looked at eachother, and all the hair stood up
on our bodies.
And I'm thinking, we have analarm system in this house that
will make you wet your pants atso loud.
And I'm going, oh my gosh, whatis this?

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So she called her boyfriend tocome back over, and I called the
police, and we told the policethat the boyfriend was there and
the kind of car he has, so theywouldn't think.
So they did, and and I I mean,my terror at having to open the
front door was incredible.
So the police come in and lookall around, and there's nobody

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there, and but they checked theback door, and somebody was
trying to jimmy the lock.
Which in the bedroom at the farend of the house, we wouldn't
have heard if someone hadn'tmade noise in the kitchen.
And then my sister and I lookedat each other and we said, Did
he just save us?
Did this I don't wrap my brainaround this?

(07:49):
Did the ghost just save us froman intruder?
Okay, so one morning, severalmonths later, we wake up and
it's now winter in Charleston,and it's really cold.
It does get cold in Charleston.
And I wake up and the I turnedthe alarm system on.

(08:09):
I, you know how you have yourhabit, and I woke up and it's
winter, and every door andwindow in the house is open.
The front door is wide open,the back door.
I mean, it's freezing in thishouse, and the alarm system is
still on.
That happened twice.
Another day I get I get up andI go to get in my car, and it

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won't start.
It's my husband's 240z.
Won't start, it won't start.
It's like, okay, I gotta drivea different car.
Fortunately, we had to, and soI had the car towed to my
mechanic in Somerville, SouthCarolina.
And the mechanic says, It lookslike there's nothing wrong with
this car, but I'm gonna tellyou if you had driven it, this

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part was about ready to blow,and it would have been an almost
fatal crash.
Okay, did this ghost save mylife again?
Now I'm so confused.
And then one of the mostterrifying moments was my
husband was home, he's lying inbed next to me.

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Our son's in a crib in the nextroom, and then I'm awakened
because I feel someone get inbed with me on the other side of
the bed.
I mean, you know, it's it'slike a double bed.
I mean, how much room is there?
But I can feel this man get inbed with me, and he starts to
hold my hand, and I couldn'tspeak, I couldn't move, I could

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not summon a voice, I couldn'tcry out, I couldn't murmur, I
was so frozen in fear, and Imean, this is your podcast, the
other side of fear.
I was so frozen in fear, I feltlike I time stood still and I
couldn't breathe, and I didn'tknow if more was coming.

(10:04):
I think you know what I mean.
Wow, yeah, so I just I justlaid there and it felt like an
eternity, and he he was holdingmy hand, and then to let go of
my hand, it took forever.
He just let his fingers slipslowly from mine.
And then when that happened, II was so freaked out.

(10:29):
It took me, I think, an hour,and I knew that he's still in
the room watching me, but he'sdead and he's watching me.
And so I called the DukeUniversity School of
Parapsychology.
What do you do with a ghost?
I tried Sage.
Sage is worthless, it willnever get rid of a ghost because
the frequency of sage is nothigh enough to do that, it

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doesn't have any horsepower.
I tried putting saltdifferences, that's worthless.
Burn a candle, worthless.
I know all the things thatdon't work.
This is a really powerfulghost.
So my sister decided to contactthe real estate agent about
this neighborhood, and she said,Do you know anything about
ghosts in this neighborhood?

(11:12):
And they said, Oh my gosh, thewhole Archdale Plantation
neighborhood is is um uhhaunted.
It was been there since the1600s.
It's been there since the1600s, and so I talked to my
neighbor whose house wasunbelievably as haunted as mine.
She went to the garden group inthe neighborhood, and every

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neighbor started talking aboutwhat was happening.
One woman would come down, anda rocking chair was rocking to a
blank wall where there musthave been a window.
Another woman would comedownstairs in the morning, she
had a two-story house, and allof her living room furniture
would be arranged, rearrangedevery single morning.
Wow, she was so terrified shemoved, and so we learned about

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this this particular location.
Another guy said his home wasbuilt over a stable, and he
could hear horses all nightlong, and then the stories just
kept coming.
And I Duke said they theystudied paranormal um
phenomenon, but they don't havea clue what to do with the

(12:22):
ghost.
I thought, okay, there's got tobe somebody who knows, and I I
read everything I could get myhands on, so I have this amazing
library, and no one knew how tohelp a ghost.
And I realized that I needed tostop being afraid of him and

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learn what to do.
And I didn't even know that youcould cross over a ghost, and
then what I realized is that Istarted everywhere I went, it
seemed like there was some otherghost or somebody needed me.
Or I mean, let's face it, theSouth is really haunted, and you

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have you have the RevolutionaryWar, the Civil War, the deaths
from all the people who were onthe plantation, the horrific
things that happened to slaves,and I've crossed over.
I can't begin to tell you howmany slaves.
You just can't, you can'tbelieve it.
And I I have three books, GhostStories from the Ghost Point of

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View, where you talk of I talkabout all these deaths of
settlers from all countries ofthe world and what they
experienced when they came here,because I learned about
predecessor energy, and then inthe late 90s, I had a series of
experiences, and in one of themI was I was being haunted by a

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living person, which is a wholenother story, and he died.
And in that moment, I could seehim leave his body.
My brother happened to be withme, and he said, Let's cross him
over.
And I'm thinking, Did you knowhow to do this all this time?
And you didn't tell me.
But he said, He said, I thinkthat he was divinely inspired,

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and this man was really, reallybad man.
I don't'm gonna go into what hedoes, but he was really bad,
and so we invited an angel tohelp him, and we began to see
the light come for him, and ashe's about to cross into the
light, he turns around and helooks at me and he says, Why

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would you help me?
I tried to do terrible thingsto you, and my answer is yours.
You're you are not mine tojudge.
My job is to help, and you'renot mine to judge.
Well, from that moment on, Irealized I could do something

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called remote viewing, and Iended up with every ghost and
creation coming at me and thencrossing them over.
And as time went on, thenumbers were just I had no idea
how many ghosts there were.
And I got faster and faster andbetter and better at time
moving 50, 100, you know, 2,000,10,000, didn't matter.

(15:21):
If you go to a graveyard, youdon't know how many people are
there.
Let's say you're in ArlingtonNational Cemetery, people are
buried on top of each other inthat cemetery.
Husbands, you know, wives canbe buried, you know, vertically,
you know, one on top of anotherin the ground.
That's a lot of dead.

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And at some point, they needthey need help.
So your logical question isdoes anybody cross over?
And the answer is yes, they do,but a lot of them don't know
what to do at death.

Kertia (15:59):
So, okay, so oh my goodness, there's so much to ask
here.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
This is like so much to ask.

Kertia (16:12):
Okay, so how then?
Okay, let's start with this.
What can you tell us about whathappens after we die then?
Because then we have people whoare crossing over, people who
are not crossing over, what'sgoing on?

Tina (16:30):
The information I'm about to share comes from a wonderful
book called The Tibetan Book ofLiving and Dying.
And I'm I'm telling you thatbecause I think people need to
understand where informationcomes from and why it rings true
for me.
And the Tibetans, um, yes, it'sBuddhism, but it's it's still

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one of the most beautifulfaiths.
There's a kindness to TibetanBuddhism.
I can only that I won't go intothat, but and what they explain
makes such perfect sense, andthis is what I have observed
with the people that I'vehelped.
If let's let I'll give you theexample, my my brother died of

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um pancreatic cancer in 2017,and it came on suddenly, and not
pancreatic liver cancer.
So came on, I helped himthrough the dying process, and
then all of a sudden it's likeeverything is accelerating.
And when a person is goingthrough a slower process of

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death, you can see the effectsof the body shutting itself
down.
The person can usually eithersee the angel of death near
them, or they can feel thatdeath is coming.
And this is true whether you'reabout to be murdered, or you're

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dying of cancer, or you'reabout to have an accident.
There's a part of you thatknows that death is coming.
It's one of the most strangeand unusual phenomena, but um
I'll get back to that.
So as the body realizes it'stime to go, it's like turning
off the lights in a building.
You have to get ready to gobecause the body systems start

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to shut down and they shut downfrom the extremities to the core
of the body, to the trunk, andthen to the heart.
Usually the heart is the lastthing because we say someone
flatlines.
When they flatline, then thatmeans that the heart has

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completely stopped.
When the heart stops, the cordthat connects the heart muscle
to the to the the heart muscleto the soul, there's what's
called this beautiful silvercord, like a beautiful silver
necklace, a fine, finely woven,but it's like gossamer.

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But it sits inside the seedatom of the soul, and that it
that silver cord connects thesoul to the body.
When you dream at night, orpeople who astral travel, or you
daydream, and you your mindgoes to all these places.
That's not your mindnecessarily alone, it's your

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whole soul, but your soul stilloccupies a structure to have
mortal experiences.
Now, let's say that you are ina plane that blows up, and it's
an instantaneous death.
Whether it's instantaneous orit takes days to die, the

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process is always the same.
It can happen, whoosh, all ofthis happens, or it can take
time, and families get to seethat person go through the
process of everything starts toshut down, they go into a coma,
and then they as when they gointo a coma, a lot of them start

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to leave the body because asyou're leaving your body, you
can travel with the speed ofthought.
Let's say that now you're dead,you aren't encumbered by the
heaviness of a mortal frame.
You can move to anyone whocrosses your mind or you cross

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their mind, you're in front ofthem instantaneously.
It's called traveling with thespeed of thought.
And when my mother died inNorth Carolina and I was in
California, I could feel herstanding in the kitchen.
I knew she died, but theydidn't declare her or pronounce
her dead until you know the nextmorning.

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But I knew I knew at midnightthat she had died, she was gone.
Questions.

Kertia (21:21):
We're doing good, we're doing good.
Um, okay, so why then does somepeople choose to stay?
Like, why aren't some of ustransitioning to the other side?

Tina (21:38):
All right, that's the reason that happens is because
each person's death is as uniqueas that person's life and
personality.
If you are a person who has adeep and abiding belief in God,

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in Christ, the kindness of theBuddha, the gentleness of love,
loving your friends and yourfamily, and you've studied and
you understand that when deathcomes and that light comes, like
in the movie Ghost, rememberthe Ghost movie with Whoopi
Goldberg and Patrick Swayze?

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I think everybody universallylooks at that, and he sees that
light come.
He's not quite sure what thatis, because he's just been
murdered and he's not sure whatto do next.
But if you're a person whoknows that that light is coming
for you, you walk right into it,and the the embrace of the

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light transcends every faith,every any religion, philosophy,
atheism, agnostic.
When the energy of that lightenvelops the soul, there are no
words on earth to describe whatthat's like.

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You can't begin to understandthe depth of love that just
interpenetrates your very coresoul being.
I'm a sinner.

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The philosophy that everyone isa sinner and God will punish
them has denied an untold numberof souls from embracing the
light and being embraced by thelight.
Ask for Christ to be with you.

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If you're a Christian and youfeel that you were born in sin
and died in sin, but you're abeliever in Jesus Christ and
you've been saved.
Why don't you cross over whenthe light comes for you?
And the answer is becauseyou're torn between your guilt
for being a sinner and yourdesire to see Christ.

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But that creation of guilt andlack of worthiness causes a lot
of people to not cross over.
Not everyone, a lot of peopledo cross over.
Let's say that you're amurderer, crossed over my share
of murderers.
Why would you cross over amurderer?

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Is that a good question?
Yeah, it's not my job to judgethem, but here's a concept that
might help people understand whycrossing over not just the
person who was murdered, becausetheir frequency is very low now
because of the act of violence,but the person who killed them.

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Because that person at deathgoes to a very dark place, and
the and the dark beings thatpuppeted them, they are puppets
on a string, in mortal life,will puppet them in death, and
they will come back and murderagain and again and again.
Sociopathic, psychopathickillers who have no conscience

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reincarnate from the darkestrealms of the fourth dimension,
which is where all of us goafter death.
And if someone knows that thatperson has died and they've done
a terrible thing, and in the Iwrote this book, the crossing
over prayer book.

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In this book, there is theprayer to cross over murderers.
One, it's not our job to judgethem, but two, we go back to
what the Bible says, and I goback to the 23rd Psalm.
Think about that statement.

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Psalm 23 talks about thedarkness of the fourth
dimension.
So you leave your body, and ifyou are anticipating the light,
it's pretty much there for you.
If you've done terrible thingsor you're dying with guilt, you
see darkness, or you'reconfused, or you died suddenly,

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and you're not sure you're dead.
So many different parameters.
If I hear one more psychic say,oh, they just had unfinished
business, that dismisses amassive amount of the population
of dead.
We all have underfinishedbusiness.
I mean, you can't stay hereforever.
Sometimes you have to make wayfor other people.

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So when someone dies andthey've done something terrible,
and you cross them into thelight, it doesn't erase the
karma of their actions.
This is true.
I have a lot of clients whowere sexually abused, clients
who were human trafficked.

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Um, men and women who arehorrifically, horrifically
abused as children.
I don't even know how they getup in the morning.
The abuse these people havesuffered is so severe.
And so when their abuser, whichis usually one or both parents,
dies, that person is in aquandary.

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Should I cross them over orjust let them rot in hell?

Kertia (27:43):
Oh gosh.

Tina (27:45):
You see how this gets to be complicated?
If you cross that dark personover, then what if the reason
they are so evil is because bitsand pieces of their souls are
shaved off, life after lifeafter life.

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So that what made them human,what gave them love and
compassion, caring, empathy forother people was stripped
because they keep reincarnatingin the darkest places.
When you cross them over, as itsays in the 23rd Psalm, he

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restoreth my soul.
Why would you need your soulrestored?
Because in past lives, if youdidn't cross over, parts of you
were just literally shaved off.
Starts with characterdisorders, the narcissist, the
borderline, the immaturepersonality disorders, and then

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it goes into endlessly degradedlevels of psychopathy.
So when you're looking at that,the sheer power and the
ramifications of crossing anysoul over, even if they were
viciously cruel to you, meansthat maybe in the next life they

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will make different choicesbecause they have had parts of
them restored.
It doesn't erase the karma theyearned because of the actions
they took.
What it does is it defines anewer, more enlightened path,

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and they get guidance in thehigher realms.
You're not going to get whenyou're dealing with some of
these dark, perverted crueltiesthat you see happening.
There is no country on earththat has a monopoly on it.
It covers every country, everyreal, every faith, every
tradition, every culture.

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So let me stop.
For a minute, how are we doing?

Kertia (30:03):
Oh my goodness, Tina, you are laying it all out.
Okay.
So, all right.
So, going back to, you know,because you had a ghost
situation in the home that youlived in, but this ghost seemed
to be helping you out, right?
But for the ordinary person,for example, who might not be so

(30:23):
in touch with their psychicabilities or might just be so
afraid of what's happening, whatthey're experiencing, how then
can someone like that begin towrap their head around, okay, I
need to help this ghost?
Like I sense that there'ssomething around, there's things
moving around, I'm hearingnoises, the house feels haunted,

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the energy feels off, butthey're afraid, right?
So, how can they get to a placewhereby they can step out of
that fear to actually try tohelp to figure out what's going
on?

Tina (31:02):
That that's a really great question.
And the answer is I know whatthat fear is like.
I have an intimate knowledge ofhow terrifying that can be.
And I would suggest that thefirst thing is Occam's razor.
It's the simplest solution.

(31:23):
Ask for angels to be aroundyou, ask for angels to be with
you to help you.
I wrote another book last fallcalled Psychic Children, Psychic
People.
And in this book, I providepeople, whether you're psychic
or not, you we all need tools tohelp us in these really crazy

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times, wink wink, when there area lot of things going on that
we can't necessarily see.
There's tools in this.
I mean, I've written ninebooks, but there's tools in each
and every one of them that canoffer you some help.
But the first the first step isto ask for angels to surround

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you.
Fill yourself with the light ofChrist consciousness, fill
yourself with the light ofAlmighty God.
Feel that, and then put somethem put the music of Mozart on.
Mozart raises frequency.
Everything in God's universe isfrequency, it's a mathematical

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formula.
God is the first mathematician,everything is frequency, so you
raise the frequency.
Then when you feel like youhave a grip on your fear, then
you read the crossing overprayer.
And I I did print these cardsout, which are available on

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ghosthelpers.com if peoplewanted them.
And that can help that soul tocross over because there's an
unusual factor about thisprayer.
In all of the stanzas of theprayer, it says right now.

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In the fourth dimension, thereis no time.
But there's no time.
We live in the third dimensionof time and space and gravity
because it holds us in place tohave the experiences we're here

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to have.
All right.
When you're in the fourthdimension, there's no time.
So you're asking the higherrealms to help you help the
soul, and you want it done rightnow.
That's what this prayer says.
If you like, I can read theprayer too at some point.

Kertia (33:59):
Yes, definitely.
We could read it towards theend.
I'd love that.

Tina (34:03):
Okay, are you ready?

Kertia (34:06):
Let's let's save it for the end after we're done with
the questioning, because I Ihave so many questions just
popping up as I'm speaking toyou.
Go ahead.
Um okay, so you mentionedearlier in this conversation
predecessor energy.
Did I say that right?

Tina (34:27):
Predecessor, either way, is correct.

Kertia (34:31):
Yes.
Okay, so I want you to explainkind of what that is, and like
how does that even come about?
What is that?

Tina (34:42):
I am that's another really great question.
Predecessor energy is theenergy of an action that took
place in a location before yougot there, and the echo of that
action is still influencing thatlocation to this day.

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And there's a story of a couplewho bought a house in Colorado,
and as unbelievable as this is,neither neither real estate
agent disclosed to the couplethat a serial killer murdered
five women in his living room.
And the agent put new carpetdown so nobody would see the

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bloodstains in the wood floor.
They didn't like, and they andwhen they moved in, no
disclosure, nothing.
When they actually moved in,the place was so haunted because
five women were still there.
The energy of violence wasechoing in the walls, the

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screams, the imagine their fearechoing into the walls, into the
nails, into anything metal inthat house.
Metal holds energy.
A tiny example of predecessorenergy is you know, somebody's
missing, so they give thatperson their keys, and the

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psychic feels the keys.
What are they really doing?
They're feeling the auricresidue on the keys and that
predecessor energy, and they'repicking up what's going on with
the person, they're making aconnection.
Because when you understandwhat happens on an etheric
level, blows your mind.

(36:32):
You begin to see this massivenew world of understanding open
up.
And again, I'm grateful to youfor having me on your show to
share these concepts.
This isn't wild and crazy.
This is science 101 becauseenergy is neither created nor
destroyed.
All energy ever does is changeshape.

(36:55):
So when energy changes shape,or in a house, it changes hands.
Now, this couple with kidscomes in and they're hearing
screams and it's cold andthey're angry all the time, and
nobody's getting a night'ssleep.
What happens?
It's a nightmare, it's just anightmare.

Kertia (37:16):
Yeah.

Tina (37:16):
And so when you see that, you realize, I mean, that they
actually were on 60 minutes.
It was so bad, and they were sofurious with the real estate
agents for not warning them.
Well, of course, if the realestate agents revealed it, they
couldn't sell the house.
And so if you bring a psychicin who's going to burn a little

(37:38):
white sage, that's not gonna doanything.
Take somebody with somehorsepower.
I had a we moved from SanDiego, had to get out of
California.
We moved from San Diego toWashington State, wink wink, and
he, and uh, my real estateagents that sold our San Diego
house were the loveliest peopleyou'd ever want to meet.

(38:02):
And a couple months, I guess ayear later, they said, we have a
house in National City, uh, youknow, a suburb of San Diego,
and there was satanic ritualdone in the house, and every
single potential buyer who walksin is so creeped out, some of
them just run screaming out ofthe house.
And they showed me the satanicstuff all over the walls.

(38:27):
Well, let me tell you, theypainted the walls, they replaced
the car, there's blood on thecarpet, they replaced all that.
It didn't make any differencebecause the predecessor energy
of who they were and what theydid was still echoing out,
throb.
If you thought about it assomething that throbs, or if you

(38:50):
put your hand, you have a scar,it's a scar on the house.
So they called me and theysaid, Can you clear this house?
They sent me before picturesand after after pictures.
So I said, sure.
I mean, it's kind of what I do.
So I remote viewed the houseand it was really, really bad.
And I went back through somemonths of stacks of time.

(39:14):
This is another new term.
Stack of time.
If you look at how long ago anevent took place, it's in a
stack of time.
If you looked at a stack ofbooks, you know, the story of
what took place is in this book,and then there's a new story.
So those are all time stacks ofpredecessor energy.

(39:36):
Isn't this fascinating?
I it's sort of like popcorn.
So I think it's a lot ofenergy, it's a massive amount of
energy.
So I cleared the house.
It took me a couple days, but Icleared the house, and three
days later the house sold, andshe said people walked in and

(39:58):
said it felt great.
Now, let's take a veryradically different example: a
dentist's office.
Several years ago, there was afriend of mine in uh Asheville,
North Carolina, who had anoffice on um the second floor.
And no matter what he did, hefunctuated, the business he

(40:20):
tried and tried his businesswasn't working.
Can you remote view and see ifyou can figure out what is going
on?
So I can look at the column ofenergy from the from the below
the floor to the top floorbecause that column of energy is
what he's paying for, becausehe's on a second floor, and the

(40:42):
first thing I saw was adentist's office, and it this
was not a good dentist.
Oh, he was not good, he causeda lot of pain for people, and
apparently that dentist wentbankrupt, but the energy of the
pain, the fear, and the anguishwas throbbing or echoing in the

(41:04):
wood and all the metal parts,even though the dental fixtures,
the chairs and the sinks hadall been removed.
That energy was there.
And when I told them that, Isaid, feels like there was a
dentist.
They said, Yeah, he was reallybad.
He went bankrupt.
I said, Well, there you go.
I said, I've I have cleared thedegree I can, but I honestly

(41:27):
recommend you move because it'sit's a tough thing.
We're gonna do some things withfeng shui, because I am a feng
shui practitioner, to push thatenergy back.
But you may want to consider adifferent location because the
energy in this entire buildingis not conducive to what you're
trying to do.
And he did move to a new placeand was remarkably successful.

(41:51):
I had a real estate agent in LaJolla, California, and all of
her office was fine, but herassistants who were out in the
central office were always sick.
You know, they were sick overand over.
Well, I can't remote view belowthem.
I don't have any jurisdictionbecause when you do remote

(42:12):
viewing, you have to followspiritual law.
If if my client doesn't own theproperty, I don't have any
jurisdiction to remote view it.
I said, however, we took fengshui mirrors and we placed them
face down.
So we, whatever energy seemedto be coming up from the ground,
which is what I could feel, wereturned that energy.

(42:35):
It's like someone turned aswitch, they weren't sick
anymore.
But the massage parlor businessbelow them went under closed.
That's a small example ofpredecessor energy.

(43:04):
When you start to really wrapyour brain around this, you go,
oh my gosh, that explains this,and that explains this.
And if you looked at, you know,a graveyard or a battlefield,
whether it's in Europe orwherever there was a battle, if
you look at that, you will seeyou wouldn't want to live on

(43:30):
that property because there's apart of you that knows, oh my
gosh, there was a lot ofviolence took place on this
land.
I don't want to be surroundedby the energy of that violence.
But let's make this even morecomplicated.
I had a client in um Tennessee,and she said, Can you remote

(43:53):
view my property?
I said, What are you feeling?
And she said, You know, it'sfunny, I don't really feel
anything, but I feel likethere's something.
So I said, Okay.
So I remote view back throughstacks of time.
It's kind of an odd skill.
But what I found were CherokeeIndians, Native American tribe,

(44:13):
who during the time of PresidentAndrew Jackson sent them on the
Trail of Tears to Oklahoma.
And this this man told me howhe was dying, and his tribe left
him in place on this woman's,as it turned out, her 18 acres,

(44:34):
and his job was to be theguardian of the land.
He was the kindest, sweetestman you'd ever want to meet.
And so I brought in an angelfor him, and I said, You know, I
think this nice lady's gonnatake care of the land.
And he said, It's time to go.
And I said, It's time to go.
And so he left.
So now I'm going back throughand I'm moving into more modern

(44:57):
times, and there's a guy therein a business suit in her
kitchen, watching, whoa! So Isaid, What are you doing here?
And he said, You know, I'm notreal sure.
Uh, the last thing I rememberis I was in Virginia Beach and I

(45:18):
was crossing the street, and Iwas on my cell phone, and I
think a woman on her cell phoneand her car hit me and killed
me.
And there was a woman who waswalking by, and I think I went
home to her, home with her, andnow I'm in Tennessee.

(45:38):
I'm not even sure how thisworks.
Am I really dead?
Yes, sir.
You are most assuredly dead.
Because you can see that you'rein the clothes you died in.
You don't change clothes onceyou're dead.
So if you didn't wear anythingwhen you died, oh well, it's
gonna be a surprise for thepsychic.

(45:59):
Um uh and that that's happenedtoo.
So when when that happens, andI explain, and he said, She's
really nice, and I'm not harmingher.
He said, but I don't know whatI'm supposed to do.
I said, Well, did you see thelight?
He says, Yeah, but you know,I'm not religious, I don't know

(46:21):
what I'm supposed to do.
Okay, so I brought in an angeland I had him crossing over.
Okay, so that's two differentstacks.
Um, and then I'm I'm continuingto look, and I see this this
little, she looks like she'sabout 10 years old, and she's
hiding in a corner.

(46:42):
And I I finally find her, andshe said, I said, sweetie, what
are you doing in this lady'shouse?
And she said, she's a right,nice lady, you know, and she
don't hurt nobody.
She don't.
She don't hurt nobody.

(47:03):
She's nice.
Okay.
And I said, It it looks likeyou're pretty badly injured.
Yeah.
My daddy beat me.
And he beat me and beat me inthis way.
One day he just he just plumpkilled me.
I I I think I'm dead now.
And the only nice place I couldsee was her, her kitchen.

(47:27):
Why did my daddy beat me?
Why?
And so I had a conversationwith her, brought in some
children angels, and then theycrossed her over.
And then as she crosses overher absolutely filthy clothing,

(47:48):
her arm, her arms were badly,badly broken.
I think the girl died of shockfrom so much pain.
What was done to her?
Um her the pain left her, andshe was embraced by this really
beautiful light.
And then I didn't find anythingelse on those 18 acres.

(48:10):
I mean, I have story afterstory after story, I can go on
and on.
Oh my goodness.
So when you start looking atthe things that happen on a
property, uh you you can'tbelieve how much it influences
you.
I remote viewed a house inupper state New York, and um she

(48:34):
said, We're having all theseproblems.
I said, Don't tell me.
Let me see what I find.
I'm working and working.
First thing I see is back inthe 1500s, late 1500s, early
1600s, I'm seeing the Oneida umIndian tribe, Native American
tribe, the Oneida Indians.

(48:55):
And I'm talking to the shamanand I'm seeing in the background
all these people, and I'm I'mlooking at that stack of time,
there's fire everywhere.
Because the the white settlersbrought blankets full of
smallpox, handed them to theIndians, and they all died.

(49:18):
They had nothing against it.
Well, a lot of the settlersdied too.
They didn't have any immunesystem because they were
starving to death themselves.
So they burned their houses andthey burned the Native American
um, there were special, theydidn't have they had special

(49:39):
dwellings.
Um I'm not remembering theright word.
And so all of that was burned.
So now what you have is thepredecessor energy of fire.
Fire energy lingers a really,really long time, and so I

(50:00):
helped remove the energy of thefire, and I talked to the
shaman, and it was reallyheartbreaking.
He talked about watching thechildren die, watching how angry
people were that he couldn'theal them, he couldn't help
them, and he said, Why do theycome?
No one invited them.

(50:21):
What's wrong with these peoplethat they're so cruel to us?
And so um, so you have hisanger, resentment, and the
energy of fire and death andpestilence all on one piece of
property and probably thesurrounding area.
And once you have that, youreally have to work to clear it.

(50:44):
And let me assure you, when youhave something that significant
that goes back 400 years, LilSage isn't gonna cut it.
Yeah, and so by clearing andclearing and clearing, and I
could also see that the house inmodern times has had repeated
fires because the fire energycontinues to linger.
So when I talked to the familyand I told them this, and they

(51:07):
said, How could you possiblyknow we've had three fires in
this house?
I said, Well, because that'swhat the predecessor energy is
telling me, and anytime there'sanger, and she said, We're angry
all the time in this house.
I said, Well, you know, youmight not be anymore.
You can raise the frequencyusing Mozart and a lot of the

(51:28):
tools and in the books that I'vewritten will help you to have a
higher frequency house whichcalms the energy of fire, anger,
rage, and emotional, deepemotional pain.
So, okay, let me stop for aminute.
I've been chattering,chattering here.

unknown (51:49):
Wow.

Kertia (51:51):
Wow.
Oh my god.
Wow.
Okay, I completely understandwhat predecessor energy is now.
I think that is very, veryclear.
Because as you said, energydoesn't die, it just transforms
into something else.
Okay.
So now how okay?

(52:14):
So what would you advise whenwhen we're moving around, right?
We move around, we we rentplaces, we buy places, we buy
land, we buy property, we set upbusinesses.
I guess are we look should beshould we be looking into the
history of these areas?
Um, you know, you said sagedoesn't work, salt doesn't work,

(52:38):
the energy, the frequency of itis not high enough to do away
with a lot of that energy thatwas there before.
So what do we do?
You mentioned Mozart, right?
What do we do when we have todo life and we don't know what
the hell happened, how manyyears ago, and we're just trying

(53:00):
to buy our first house or openour first brick and mortar, what
do we do?

Tina (53:06):
I think that's a really great question because once you
have an awareness of it, thenyou look at how many people have
lived there before you.
Well, if you're getting anapartment in Rome, you know, you
might as well figure it's athousand, you know, it's about
10,000 years of people livingthere, so you kind of have to go

(53:27):
to the territory.
But where we're living here, noone's ever lived on this
property before except thebuilder, and he only lived here
for three years.
So when I cleared the house andI remote viewed it before we
purchased it, the land has beenlogged, but it and and and
things grew back, but the treesare at least a hundred years

(53:47):
old.
So it's a pretty clear piece ofproperty.
The property two houses down,in the space of 18 months, both
people who lived in that housegot divorced.
So since no one had actuallylived on that property since the
first owner, what happened?

(54:08):
And that one's I suspectthere's a um it's complicated,
but there's a ley line.
And when you have a crossing ofearth energy lines, sometimes
you can have something that'sreally difficult.
So if you look at a situationwhere is it a series of
divorces?
Was there violence in thehouse?

(54:29):
What happened in the housebefore you got there?
Why are people selling?
Go knock on doors, talk to theneighbors.
Sometimes what you'll see is ifyou have a business, there's a
story of a place in a big bigbox store in Virginia Beach.
So they have this piece ofproperty for big box stores, you

(54:52):
know, like a staples or HomeDepot or Office Depot, big
store.
Fire after fire after fireafter fire, and finally they
made it a park.
Because and the water of thepark put the fire out.
Find out if you can whathappened before.
But let's say you take your kidto college and how many

(55:15):
hundreds of kids have lived inthat room.
All right.
Well, I use something calleddragon's blood as a resin, not
uh not an herb, which sage is anherb.
And people use Paulo Santo, itjust doesn't have enough
horsepower.
Dragon's blood, and thenthere's also, and then if you

(55:37):
want to create a which clears aproperty, it does it.
I mean, not everybody's goingto be able to remote view
through stacks of time.
It's an odd skill set.
So in the interim, yes, you canclean it, you can bring in
what's called iconography, whichis pictures of angels.
Um, you know, beautiful words,have things feng shui, use feng

(56:03):
shui mirrors.
But the one of the biggestthings that clears a property, a
room, is something calleddragon's blood.
And it's a resin from Sumatra,other parts of the Middle East
grow it.
The trees are amazing.
The Catholic Church has beenusing it for probably 2,000

(56:23):
years to clear churches.
When they walk down the aislewith that thing that swings,
which is a thurible, it's notfilled with sage, it's filled
with dragon's blood.
And it believes that it clearsit clears that church.
Well, let's say that you takeyour kid to college and you're

(56:47):
in an apartment, you're in a youknow dorm room.
Well, you don't know whether ornot some kid committed suicide
from that room, somebodyoverdosed in that room, somebody
was raped in that room.
You don't know any of thosethings because kids are so
transient.
Or if you get your firstapartment in a location, you can
knock on doors, but a lot oftimes people don't want to talk

(57:10):
to you.
Sometimes they're just afraid.
So, out of respect, take careof yourself.
That's why in this book,Psychic Children, Psychic
People, chapters 39 through 41,I give explicit directions for
the use of dragon's blood, notincense.
See, people say, Well, I'lljust get dragon's blood incense.

(57:32):
It's full of fillers, it's notthe same thing, it has to be the
pure incense, and when you burnit in a resin burner, which
looks this is a resin burner.
This particular one is fromYoung Living, and you can buy
them from Young Living, oractually, you can buy them on
Etsy, not Etsy, eBay, which iswhere a lot of people get them.

(57:54):
And what this stuff does is itwhen it melts, it looks like
this sticky red blood.
It's red, that's why they callit dragon's blood.
Once you've cleared it, allright, now you want to raise the
frequency.
So you're gonna usefrankincense, myrrh, and another
resin called benzoin.

(58:15):
You burn that in the same resinburner on a little piece of
aluminum foil.
Now you're raising thefrequency and raising that
frequency smells really good.
And the the gifts of the giftsto the Christ child by the three
the three magi were gold,frankincense, and myrrh.

(58:38):
But nobody ever asked why didthey give him frankincense and
myrrh?
Because they're so sacred andthey're so powerful.
So if myrrh turbocharges theenergies of frankincense, it's
sacred.
Everybody in the Middle Eastuses it.
I actually make frankincensewater to drink because it
creates a really super highpositive frequency in the body.

(59:02):
So when you're burning that andyou're playing Mozart, there
are some other tools in thatbook that I suggest people look
at.
Because when you use thesetools and you build a habit to
use them, you set some things inplace that that are going to

(59:23):
put you in a good place for along time.
What that does is it causes youto be able to think clearly.
You need to feel as clean andclear as possible.

(59:48):
Some Mozart that you play onlow during the day will calm
things.
You can also clear your car.
Let's say that you got a carcoming off a lease, or you
bought a used car.
You don't know what happened inthat car.
Um there's a do you have timefor one more story?

(01:00:13):
Yeah, of course.
There is a very interestingstory about a friend of mine
who's a mechanic.
And he was um a master mechanicfor BMW in Orange County.
And I got a phone call from himone day, and he said, We have
the weirdest situation with thisM5.
I don't know if you knowanything about BMW, but an M5 is

(01:00:35):
a super, it's their hot rodcar, which is kind of great, but
it's a fast, fast car.
Not that BMWs aren't fast bythemselves, they're amazing.
But this car is really and hesaid, It it's a brand new car,
but it was found and they had totow it.
And there's a bet going on onwhat's really wrong with the

(01:00:56):
car.
Can you remote view?
And he said, It's the there'ssomething strange about this
car.
I don't know what it is, butit's really strange.
I said, I don't know if I docars.
And he said, try, give it atry.
Okay.
And she's she's been strangledto death.

(01:01:23):
And while and what happened wasthe guy, the the dad owned the
car, the M5 um was borrowed bythe son who's in his 20s, and he
got an escort for the evening.
She honestly, she's a collegestudent.

(01:01:45):
She honestly thought she was anescort.
Just for the evening, he neededa companion, but he wanted a
whole lot more, so he took herto the beach.
And he strangled her when sherefused.
Well, as he's strangling her,her the energy of her feet on
the passenger side, that energyplowed through the wall and bent

(01:02:07):
the rods in the engine.
And I could see the rods werebent.
And so my friend got aschematic out of the engine and
he said, Show me.
And I said, Those two rods arebent right there.
And you're gonna find sand inthe car.
And he said, Okay, so he goesback to work and he said, I

(01:02:29):
think those rods are bent rightthere, those two rods.
And he said, All right, becauseBMW, you know, North America is
gonna send this engine back toGermany because it's a brand new
car.
I mean, the car wasn't even sixmonths old.
This shouldn't happen.
And then the question is,should we call the police?
And I said, With what?

(01:02:49):
I don't have her name.
I don't have, I think she waskilled in the last 30 days.
I don't know where her bodywas, and I don't know where this
took place.
And usually they arrest thepsychic.
So I crossed her over and thengave the car healing.
In the meantime, the mechanic,you know, gets the job and they

(01:03:10):
take the engine apart, which isthousands of dollars in repair.
That the company underwarranty, they have to eat it,
and they're the two bent rods.
And BMW can't figure it out,and the mechanic can't tell
them.
Who's gonna believe that,right?
So, in that case, thepredecessor energy was murder,

(01:03:33):
and they BMW had to replace theengine.
The cost on a brand new M5engine, and this was, I'm gonna
say 15 years ago, maybe 20, was$40,000.
Just the engine.
So they sent that thing back touh Germany because no one could
figure out how that couldpossibly happen.
But sometimes the supernaturalcreates a very, very bizarre

(01:03:58):
effect in physical objects.
So, well, a lot of stuff thatfor people to think about today.
Wow, poor girl.
She was so sad.

Kertia (01:04:12):
That is so sad.
All of the stories, like, Imean, people have been going
through it.
That is sad.
The little girl, oh gosh, thatwas heartbreaking.
So, speaking of kids, what dowe do?
Like, what happens with kids?
Um, do they have a special teamthat comes in to get them when

(01:04:34):
they cross over?
Nope.
Like, what happens there?

Tina (01:04:37):
That's one of the hardest things.
Children are clueless when theydie, and their parents think
they become angels.
Children do not become angels,angels are a separate group of
beings that they're just aseparate group of beings created
by God.
Human beings can be helpful,but they can't become angels.

(01:05:02):
So when a child dies, there'smountains of grief that go with
this, and people are so overcomewith their own grief, they
don't think about what happensto the child.
How would they?
It's not a criticism.
How would they know?
And in the crossing over prayerbook, there is a crossing over
prayer for children, it's thelast act as a parent.

(01:05:27):
Well, suppose you never heardof me in a crossing over prayer.
What can you do to help a childwho's died?
Call in angels, bring in achild angel, ask the angels to
pick up this child and carrythem into the heaven world, into
the arms of God.
Anyone can do that and ask thatit be done right now.

(01:05:52):
I mean, that's super simple.
And then send a prayer ofgratitude to the angels who
helped you.
You always show deep andabiding love, humility, and
gratitude to the higher realmsbecause they are there to help
us.
But children, I mean, I havestory after story after story,

(01:06:12):
sadly, with children, includingmy niece who died at six.
She sat on the sofa next to mysister.
She said, This was in 2003, andshe said, Mommy, I feel hot.
And she dropped dead right infront of her.
And it took them three days tofind out why she died.
She was so healthy.
No one could figure out whatcaused this kid's death.

(01:06:34):
And my sister calls me andsaid, Remote view right now, and
and and figure out what'shappened.
What happened was it was hertime, and nothing I could say or
do could change that.
The best I could do was crossher over.
But I was in shock andgrieving, which meant remote

(01:06:54):
viewing was very hard for me.
So my brother helped me.
And when we crossed her over,we brought in the angels, we
brought in the light, shecrossed over, and her
grandfather met her.
I will never forget this.
He got down on one knee, greatbig welcoming arms, and he just
lifted her and embraced her.

(01:07:16):
But she needed help.
She didn't know what she wassupposed to do next.
I mean, it's not like you sitdown and say to a child, now if
you die tomorrow, this is whatyou do.
Nobody's gonna do that.
Adults don't know.
You're not gonna tell a kid.
So let's say that you have akid who is dying.
Your child's dying and you'rein a hospital and you're

(01:07:37):
grieving.
Bring in angels to surroundthat child day and night.
And when death comes to thatchild, direct those angels to
cross that child into the heavenworld immediately, right now.
That was a very importantquestion you asked.

Kertia (01:07:58):
Wow, I remember my aunt, she was dying.
She was ill, and she was dyinga couple of years back.
And when they brought her intothe hospital, they were making
videos.
I think my cousins were around.
Some of them were just makingvideos of this, and she was my
aunt.
I have her on video saying thenames of people who had passed

(01:08:23):
on, like the grandmas that hadalready passed on, or or
grandpa, you know, that hadalready passed, and she was
looking in one direction,direction, and she put her hand
up, and this is days before sheactually this was a whole week

(01:08:44):
before she finally passed,right?
So she was already seeingentities um when she got brought
into the hospital because shewas already so close.
Eventually, she did go intosomething kind of like a coma,
yeah.
And she passed um like a weeklater or so.
So, like for me, I alwaysthought like maybe there are

(01:09:08):
people like they know thatyou're close and then they come
to get you.
And like, I'm sure there's somesituations like that where
maybe like they're they're justpeople that are there waiting
for you already.
But I guess it's up to you tobe aware of that, right?

Tina (01:09:23):
That is absolutely true.
So if your loved one is seeingwhen my brother died, he didn't
see that, but when um mysister-in-law's mother died, she
could she could identify all ofthese family members, just like
your your aunt, who were comingfor her.
And so for her, it wasn't fear,or for your aunt, it's not

(01:09:45):
fear.
I'm gonna go be with people whoI know and love and who are
there for me.
And so it's like this beautifulquick transition.
Yes, that it can absolutelyhappen.
That happens all the time.
So when they're seeing that,they're looking for the comfort
of the love they've knownbefore.

Kertia (01:10:07):
Yeah, yeah.
I guess, yeah.
So I guess it's up to theperson who is dying, being
completely aware of this andcompletely open to this, so that
they can receive that andtransition, have that nice, easy
transition right away insteadof being kind of stuck in in
this plane of existence.

Tina (01:10:30):
I I think that if people understood, and that's really
the service that you'reoffering, which is a great
spiritual service, so thank youfor that.
That please don't be afraid ofdeath.
People are afraid it's gonnahurt.
It's temporary.
When death comes, look for thelight, ask for the light of God

(01:10:52):
to be with you, Christconsciousness, ask that someone
you know who you have known andloved that can come to you, and
when that light envelops you,breathe it in, even though you
don't have lungs anymore, feelthe joy of the light and being

(01:11:15):
welcomed home.
It's beautiful.
There are no words to describeit.

Kertia (01:11:21):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So um, now when it comes to, Iguess, you know, our own time to
die, I guess it's up to us toalso be aware of that and also
ask for that assistance if wefeel like we need that
assistance, or even if you havefear around dying.

(01:11:43):
Because I know, for example, myuncle, when he was dying of
cancer, he did not want to die.
Like we knew he was gonna dieat some point.
Like, he knew that there was noturning back, he had pancreatic
cancer.

Tina (01:11:57):
Yeah, that's it.

Kertia (01:11:59):
Yeah, he didn't want to go, he he was holding on for
dear life, right?
And um, for whatever reason, Iwouldn't know, but um yeah, like
how can we then prepareourselves better?
Because sometimes we have afear of going, sometimes we're
still hanging on to life forwhatever reason.

(01:12:20):
How can we then prepareourselves when we are aware,
when we're given the chance tohave this, I guess, this
prolonged death when we're whenwe're aware, okay, it's it's
coming sooner or later.

Tina (01:12:35):
You can feel death coming.
I mean, I I've been in someunusual situations where I could
feel that if I didn't take anaction, death was coming.
Absolutely, I could feel itcoming.
Well, I had some choices and Icould I could forestall that.
But if if you have somethingthat there's no coming back from

(01:12:56):
and you know it's there,breathe into it and let go.
And ask that angels come andguide you home.
Something very, very simple.
Before the person dies, ifthey're afraid, hold their hand,
look them in the eye, and tellthem that God loves them.

(01:13:18):
Tell them that they are lovedbeyond measure.
If they could just know andfeel that, that when the light
comes, when they begin to seepeople they've known and loved,
walk into it.
Their job in the mortal frame,and this time is done, and it's

(01:13:41):
time for someone else to have alife.
We're born, people are born,and people die.
And when we are preparedmentally to know that when my
time comes, yes, you grieve, andthat's really an important
point.
The dead grieve, they misstheir families, they miss what
they thought they were going todo, they miss the life they

(01:14:03):
thought they were gonna have.
But that they can't get thatback now.
Once that silver cord is getcut, it's game over.
So when this is happening toyou and you can feel that death
is coming closer and closer,don't fear it, embrace it.

(01:14:26):
Open up your heart to the lightof God, even if you never
believed in God, even if younever saw the inside of a
church, it's not necessary.
Even if you never thought youbelieved in this guy, Christ, or
any of the Buddha or SriKrishna or Saint Guling or any
of the greats.

(01:14:46):
Just open up your heart to thelove of God, not spirit, God,
say the word.
In the beginning was the word,and the word is God, and the
word is love, and the word ishope.
Pick a word, can be your word,and feel that love.

(01:15:10):
And if you're watching someonego through the dying process,
ask for angels on their behalf.
Say the crossing over prayerfor them when they flatline,
will be a great service forthem, and it will absolutely be
the compassion every single oneof us will want for ourselves.

Kertia (01:15:31):
Absolutely.
That was beautiful, Tina.
I'd love, I'd love for us toget into the crossing over
prayer.
But just one quick note beforethat, you know, when you when we
have loved ones that pass awaysuddenly, tragically, we can
still also read this prayer,regardless of if we know if they

(01:15:54):
transitioned, if they didn'ttransition, if they're stuck
somewhere, we can still do thisfor them on their behalf.

Tina (01:16:02):
Yes, absolutely.
It doesn't matter how long agosomeone died.
If you think your house ishaunted, say the prayer.
You don't have to know theperson.

Kertia (01:16:15):
Okay.
All right.
I'd love, I'd love to hear thecross and over prayer.
I'd love to get into it.

Tina (01:16:20):
Okay, here we go.
Dearest Lord above, I humblyrequest that you take any and
all souls who have found mydivine light of service into the
heaven world right now.
I ask that an angel wrap eachsoul in a blanket of healing
light right now.

(01:16:42):
I pray that every single soulwill use the light bridge
provided by my angelic team totransition into the heaven world
right now.
I send love and healing to allsouls, no matter how they died,
no matter their level of guilt,without any judgment or
prejudice whatsoever, right now.

(01:17:04):
May the light of your love,Father, embrace and keep all of
these souls now and forever.
Amen.

Kertia (01:17:13):
Amen.
Wow, that was beautiful.
That was beautiful.
Tina, thank you so you're verywelcome.
This conversation was soamazing.
You just completely laid it allout for us today, and I'm so
grateful for your presence.
I'm so grateful for you sharingyour stories with us and um

(01:17:36):
helping us out so that we canhelp the dead.
This is just amazing.

Tina (01:17:41):
Well, we don't have to be afraid of them, we can help
them, and that helps us to growspiritually on every conceivable
level, and that's a verypowerful thing.

Kertia (01:17:54):
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Is there any parting messagethat you have for us today
before we go?

Tina (01:18:02):
I my I guess my parting message is what you fear the
most, you attract.
When you own your own fear, andand it and it isn't something
that that has power over you,and you learn how to deal with
it, like I had to learn how todeal with the ghost.
You awaken to a new reality anda new hope, and an inner

(01:18:27):
strength builds within you.
When that inner strength liveswithin you, you become a magnet
to the light.
Then you can use your light tohelp others.
Your service to humanity is oneof the greatest things any
mortal person can do.
And Kersha, I want to thank youwith all my heart for having me
here.
It means everything to be ableto share this information with

(01:18:50):
as many people as we possiblycan because we never know who
we're going to help.
So thank you so much.
I'm so grateful to you.

Kertia (01:19:00):
Thank you.
Can you just please tell usreally quickly where we can find
your books?
Um, and also just reiterateyour website for us.

Tina (01:19:10):
If you want to, my website is ghosthelpers.com, and you
can reach me at contact atghosthelpers.com.
All my books are listed on mywebsite with a link to Amazon,
and they're available whetherit's Amazon, UK, Canada,
Australia, New Zealand.
I sell these books all over theworld, so they're they are very

(01:19:34):
practical, down to earth withvery specific tools that don't
involve Sage.
So there you go.
So yes, ghost helpers Google.

Kertia (01:19:52):
Ah, amazing.
Thank you.
Thank you so much, everyone,for tuning in.
This was such a fun episode.
I truly adore Tina, she hasdone amazing work, her insight,
her knowledge, everything thatshe shared.

(01:20:13):
Oh my goodness.
I am so appreciative of herpresence on the podcast.
And we actually do have asecond episode of this coming
up, so stay tuned for that.
Also, you can check out ourYouTube to see the video version
of this episode.
It's already been posted there.

(01:20:34):
And yes, again, I thank you fortuning in for your continuous
support.
Until next time.

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