May 9, 2025 • 63 mins
Key Takeaways:
- There is no such thing as death. Physical death is merely a transition where we expand beyond our physical body's limitations.
- The year 2025 will be particularly challenging, with conditions improving gradually through 2030.
- Water carries divine energy, which may explain why our bodies are primarily composed of it.
Spiritual Counsellor, Intuitive Coach, and Psychic Medium, Laura Hoorweg, opens our conversation with a profound truth: "We are spiritual beings having a physical experience." This statement sets the tone for a breathtaking exploration of what exists beyond physical life and how understanding this reality can transform our approach to both living and dying. Having experienced a life-changing out-of-body experience at age 15, Laura shares revelations about what happens when we cross over. She explains that death is merely a transition where we expand beyond our physical limitations, dropping the negative emotional patterns that often restricted us in earthly life. Our loved ones who have passed can actually be energetically closer to us than when they were physically present, while seeing everything from a higher perspective of love.
Laura also delivers timely wisdom for our current global challenges. Her spiritual guides have shown her that "the world will change more in the next 10 years than it has in the past 300 years." While 2025 will be particularly challenging, she emphasizes staying grounded in love rather than fear. Through daily meditation, nature connection, and creating peaceful home environments, we can navigate this transformation period with greater ease. Perhaps most powerful is Laura's message about healing: and the generational impact an individual can have by healing oneself.
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Kertia (00:00):
Hey everyone, it's been a minute and I'm so happy to be
back.
We're just coming back from abrief break.
We just needed to rearrange afew things for the podcast, but
everything's been good and I'mso happy to continue these
amazing conversations that I'vebeen having.
So recently, I had aconversation with a psychic
(00:24):
medium and spiritual counselor,laura Horeg, which was so
enlightening, and it was justsuch a pleasure having her on
the podcast.
They need to change their livesand and to experience
transformative healing, you know, with the use of her spiritual
(00:49):
gifts and knowledge, and shedoes this with such a huge
amount of love and compassionfor others.
So, um, it was just so amazinghaving her on the podcast.
We recorded this conversationback in march and we touched on
some of the things that a lot ofus battle with, both on the
individual and on the collectivelevels, and she offered so many
(01:14):
words of wisdom.
I won't say much about it inthis intro.
I'll just allow you to listenand I'd love to know what you
think, because, at the end ofthe day, it's all about creating
a dialogue around the aspectsof life that we often question
and about the things we strugglewith the most.
(01:35):
So I have one ask for you Afterlistening to this episode,
scroll down to the show notesand click the link above the
show notes to send us a text.
All right, let's get into it.
Okay, laura, really excited tohave this conversation with you.
(02:03):
You know you stated that you'rea spiritual counselor and
intuitive coach.
First, I'd love to know whatyour spiritual journey was like.
How did you get into the workthat you're currently doing?
Laura (02:15):
Oh, that all depends on where you, how far back you want
me to go.
You can go as far back as youwant back as you want, Okay,
Well, I was always veryspiritual, even as a young child
, but I didn't know.
I got things and I suddenly gotthe impression that people
didn't see the world a lot oftimes in the same way that I did
(02:36):
.
So I just basically startedkeeping my mouth shut as a young
child.
But when I was about 15, I'mgoing to do this the Reader's
Digest version when I was about15, I had an incredible out of
body experience on a cliff whichchanged my perception of the
world and who we were and whathappened after we died and
(02:58):
everything forever.
So that was really I kind ofthink of that as the first big
signpost of starting myspiritual journey.
And it continued throughout mylife, going up and down, and up
and down and up and down.
You know, sometimes very, veryengaged in spirituality,
sometimes at different,different times in my life.
(03:18):
Absolutely not, okay, yeah, soin terms of actually starting my
practice, I this is kind oflike my second career.
I was in advertising andmarketing for 30 years and for a
while I did readings andcounseling and stuff for people
a little bit on the side, but Ididn't really start full time
(03:41):
until about 2015.
And what prompted that was Iwent through a series of events
where my partner died suddenlyand it just projected me into a
huge healing journey of my own,which I went on for several
years.
And then I I wasn't sure what Iwas supposed to do and I just
(04:02):
got guided to start thispractice.
So that's what I did.
So about the middle of 2015, Istarted my spiritual counseling
and intuitive coaching practice.
Kertia (04:18):
What does your spiritual counseling practice look like
right now?
How do you assist people withthe work that you do?
Because you mentioned a fewthings right, you mentioned
mediumship.
I'm not sure if you doregressions as well, like how
does that look in the work thatyou do?
Laura (04:37):
Okay, I do three main things.
One is working in the spiritualcounseling, working one on one
with people, and that's dealingwith the issues of their life,
whether it's personal, familybusiness, whether it's, you know
, they want to look at theirspiritual growth, things like
that, or their own spiritualgifts, and those are that's one
(04:58):
on one work that I do withpeople, and I do that in hour
long sessions with people invarying numbers of times during
a year.
You know, some people I mightsee once a year, some people I
might see multiple times, andthen I won't see them again for
quite some time.
And the second part is myintuitive coaching, mentoring
(05:22):
program, which I call create thelife that you really want.
Imagine that.
And that's where I work ongoingwith people.
I do it in three month modules,but nobody ever, I've never had
anybody sign up and just do onemodule.
So usually I end up working withpeople for a year, sometimes
(05:44):
two years.
Sometimes people will take abreak because of what's going on
in their life and they'll comeback and you know we'll start
doing sessions again.
So that's part two, and partthree is my mediumship work, and
I'm not.
Most of the mediums that you'llsee out there tend to be
evidentiary mediums.
They'll do it in large groupsand their practice is usually
(06:08):
about helping people tounderstand that life goes on
beyond death.
I don't focus on that.
My focus in my mediumship workis healing helping people to
heal from grief and also helping.
It's kind of a.
It's a two stage promise.
(06:29):
One promise is to the livingand one promises to the people
on the other side.
I also made a promise to themthat I would help deliver
messages to their loved ones onthis side.
So it's kind of a two waystreet.
So I do that in a group setting.
That's the only thing I do in agroup setting.
But I do that live in a groupsetting.
The only time I usually domediumship work is live.
(06:51):
So I only do that locally.
In terms of my spiritualcounseling and my intuitive
coaching programs.
I have clients all over theworld because I do everything
like we're doing right now.
I do it online.
So I have literally haveclients all over the world.
So it's really great because Iget to meet all different kinds
(07:12):
of people from all differentkinds of places.
So it's, it's, it's prettywonderful.
Kertia (07:16):
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful work thatyou're doing.
I'd love to know you know, whatdo you have to say, because you
mentioned that all of this kindof like really took off when
you were 15 and you had thatexperience and you got that,
that insight into life and deathand what that means, right,
that's not being, you know,death itself, but just like that
(07:41):
, transitioning from one, fromone stage of life to another,
right, exactly.
I'd love for you to get intothat and help us to understand
what that transition is and whatis it that's there on the other
side that we should takecomfort in instead of being
(08:01):
afraid of.
Laura (08:03):
Well, actually, we should really take comfort in it,
because we actually expand afterwe shed our body.
Okay, let's start at thebeginning.
The main fact that people haveto really get is that we are
spiritual beings having aphysical experience.
Okay, we're not physical beingshaving a spiritual experience,
(08:24):
which is a very different thing.
At our heart, we are aspiritual being, and that
energetic being goes on fromlifetime to lifetime to lifetime
.
So there is really no suchthing as death in the sense that
we think about it, especiallyin the Western world.
Ok, it's, it's merely atransition.
So that's what people don'trealize.
(08:45):
We're actually going home.
Ok, it's not that we're goingsomeplace else, because that's
where we were before we wereborn into this world.
So it's an expanded existence.
It's much more.
We're much more powerful.
We have much more abilitieswhen we're on the other side
than we do when we're here inthe physical body, because we're
(09:07):
very restricted as to what wecan do and we're also under the
influence of all these humanemotions, and some of them are
wonderful, some of them are verypositive.
Kertia (09:18):
And a lot of them are very negative, you know hatred
and fear and anger and all thosethings.
Laura (09:24):
We drop those emotional energies when we go to the other
side.
So we're seeing everything froma much higher perspective.
That's why I always say youknow, a lot of people are afraid
to connect with people, a lotof times parents or grandparents
who they had a very challengingrelationship with when they
(09:46):
were actually here on the earth.
And I always tell them they'renot the same people on the other
side.
Okay, they're seeing everythingfrom a higher perspective,
they're seeing everything fromthe point of view of love, even
if you, you know, you couldn'tstand your mother and you had an
absolutely horriblerelationship with her when she
(10:06):
was on this earth.
It's not the same relationshipthat you can have with her when
she's on the other side.
And you know, that's awonderful thing because you can
develop a totally differentrelationship and you can do a
lot of healing for yourself,more so than a lot of people
could do when they were.
You know their actual loved onewas here yeah now, that's one
(10:30):
situation.
The other situation is peopledon't understand when, when our
loved ones are on the other side, they can actually be
energetically closer to us way,way closer to us than they were
when they were here in thephysical.
So that's another wonderfulthing, and there's absolutely
nothing to fear on the otherside.
You know all these things aboutoh, we're being judged and you
(10:54):
know horrible things.
And, by the way, there is nohell.
Okay, it doesn't exist if thereis a hell it's here on earth
okay, it's not, it's not whenyou pass away.
There is no such thing, and theonly judgment we do is of
ourselves the whole life reviewthat's for us to to learn.
(11:14):
It's not even a judgment.
It's for us to learn, um, fromthe lessons that we uh went
through when we were here onearth.
And the biggest thing about thatwhole life review part again
there's nothing to do withjudgment, but what it is is we
actually are able to feel thefeelings of the people that we
(11:34):
interacted with when we werehere, because that's something
well, at least at the moment, Ibelieve that's coming back, but
that's a whole nother topic.
We can actually feel theiremotions.
When they were in specificsituations Like, say, for
example, that you were in aheated argument with somebody
and there was a lot of hurtfeelings and things like that,
(11:55):
you can understand why thatargument happened and how that
person felt and why they were soangry on a very deep emotional
level, cause you're actuallyfeeling their emotions and
you're also feeling theirthoughts and and how, why they
felt that way, which issomething we can't do when we're
(12:15):
here.
We think we can, but we're we'rebasically guessing and the only
thing that we can do is asksomebody how they feel, and
asking somebody how they feel.
Number one a lot of peopledon't really tell the truth.
I don't say they're necessarilylying, but people aren't as
forthcoming with feelings, howthey feel about things, and it's
(12:38):
very different to understandsomething on an intellectual,
more of an intellectual level,but on the other side, when
you're actually feeling theiremotions, it's a whole different
experience, because then youactually know truly how that
person felt and, uh, it's, it'sa learning on a whole nother
(12:59):
level.
So that's really, and we don'thave to be afraid for our loved
ones that are passing overbecause you know I always use
this example a lot of times withmy clients.
If you ever saw that movie, youmight not quite be old enough,
but the movie Titanic I haveokay, good, oh gosh, I'm not as
(13:22):
young as I look.
Yeah, okay, it's a fantasticmovie.
Well, that's a good thing.
Don't knock that.
That's a good thing.
Kertia (13:30):
Yeah.
Laura (13:32):
At the end of the movie Titanic, when the old lady
finally passes away and she goesto the other side and they show
her on the ship with all thepeople she's young again okay.
They show her on the ship withall the people that she's young
again.
Okay, they show her on the shipwith all the people that had
passed away and they'reliterally having this huge party
for her to welcome her back.
And that is literally.
(13:53):
I can tell you, that isliterally what happens on the
other side when you cross over.
There's all your loved ones,there's all the people that
you've ever known.
um, a lot of times people saywhat you know it's if somebody
passes away young, and whathappens if there's nobody on the
other side?
There's always people on theother side, because they can
also be people that you knew inpast lives, that you loved and
(14:15):
you cherished, and in past lives, and they're there too.
Okay, and not only that, butthe big part that I love,
because I I love animals.
Our pets are there too.
Okay, I'm talking about, youknow, dogs and cats and actually
horses too, which isinteresting All those animals
that are particularly close tohuman beings here on Earth.
They show up on the other side.
(14:40):
So it's not only the people thathave gone before us and passed
away, but it's also the animals,which is a wonderful thing for
so many people, because so manypeople have, you know, there's
people that have actuallygreater connections to animals
than they actually have topeople.
So, you know, it's wonderfuland I always say, like, don't
worry about it If you have ananimal that you absolutely love,
(15:02):
because animals have wayshorter lifespans than we do, so
we're always losing our animals, but they're waiting there for
you and they will be there foryou when your time comes and you
pass over.
Whenever that time is, you knowwhether it's 48 or 84, they're
going to be there waiting foryou when you pass over, so, and
(15:22):
we hope it's not 48, but youknow, that happens too.
Kertia (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
A question that stood out in mymind as you were speaking is
all of us, we will, at somepoint in time, experience the
death of a loved one, right,granted that we don't go first,
but most of us will experienceat some point the death of a
(15:46):
loved one.
What do you do?
Because I know, like a lot ofus have not only have fear of
death itself and what awaits uson the other side, but then
there's also the fear of theunknown, right.
There are times when, forexample, someone might have a
husband, a wife, a brother, asister that passes away, and
(16:07):
when that loved one whotransitioned, tried to
communicate with their loved onewho is still on earth, there is
also that element of fear thereas well.
So not only you know we justcovered the fear of death and
what awaits on the other side,but then there's that other fear
of having that communication.
(16:28):
How can we bridge that gap?
Laura (16:30):
Well, I think number one.
I think most people want tohave some kind of sign.
Ok, because everybody comes tome, you know, even people who
don't.
It's interesting, even peoplethat don't have a lot of beliefs
about that.
This is even possible.
I've even had people come to mewho actually didn't believe in
an afterlife.
They didn't believe inreincarnation, they didn't
(16:53):
believe in any of this stuff.
Kertia (16:54):
But yet when?
Laura (16:55):
somebody close to them, somebody that they love, passed
away.
They still wanted to know ifthey could get some kind of sign
or something from that person,and I always suggest I haven't
met anybody yet that doesn'twant some kind of communication
or some knowledge that theirperson is there and that they're
okay and that there's stillsomething of them still existing
(17:19):
.
Okay, and the best way to getthose things are to be open to
it.
Okay, because somebody on theother side will always give us
something that we recognize andand it's different for every
person but they have to show ussomething that we recognize
that's attached to them.
Okay, and one of the biggestthings, the other biggest things
(17:43):
that people come to me with isyou know they'll come to me and
say oh, you know, my husband hasbeen gone for six months and
you know I haven't heardanything from him and everybody
else.
I know, you know, got some signright away and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, right andabsolutely without fail, I start
(18:05):
questioning that person abouthow their, how their partner or
how their loved one passed awayand it was some kind of sudden
death.
Okay, even if they were sickfor a while, their actual
passing was very sudden andoften, sometimes, unexpected.
The best thing I can do, I cangive you example, is like
(18:25):
somebody was in a car accidentand they were killed instantly.
Okay, people like that go towhat I call I have named, and my
guides have kind of joined inon that name I call it angel
hospital.
Okay, so they end up in angelhospital.
Kertia (18:43):
Now there's other people who end up in the angel
hospital.
Laura (18:46):
young children and babies that pass away, they
automatically go to angelhospital.
People that pass away suddenlygo to angel hospital because
they a lot of times don't evenrealize that they've passed,
don't even realize that they'vepassed.
And then there's one othercategory, and this is a tough
(19:08):
thing for a lot of people, butpeople who have chosen to take
their own life.
Okay, they go to to AngelHospital.
Now, all these people may needhelp making the transition.
Okay, they need healing,literally they need healing to
start the next part of theirlife on the other side.
Okay, for all the reasons thatare obvious to everyone.
Okay, so how long they stay inthe angel hospital is dependent,
(19:31):
and it's very hard to saybecause there actually is no
time on the other side.
So it doesn't even correlatewith us because we have linear
time.
But the thing that people needto understand is I compare it.
I know it's weird, but Icompare it to drug rehab.
Okay, the reason I compare it todrug rehab is if you know
(19:53):
anyone if you've seen a movie,or everybody pretty much knows
if you go into rehab okay whatthey do.
What do they do?
They take away your phones.
They don't allow you to to talkto anybody for a specific
amount of time, because theywant you totally focused on your
own recovery and they don'twant any distractions.
So it's the same in angelhospital okay because as long as
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you're in angel hospital, youcan't communicate with them and
they can't communicate with us,even as a media.
They can't communicate with me.
I can a medium.
They can't communicate with me.
I can tell a lot of times ifsomebody's in angel hospital,
but I can't receive messagesfrom them because a medium- is
just an antenna.
Okay, it's not like I go outand grab people and say come
(20:37):
talk to us, okay.
They have to make the choiceyeah, to speak to us and then,
as a medium, you receive thatinformation.
But when they're in angelhospital they can't okay because
it's just like being in rehabthey're not allowed to call out
okay, so that's what's happening.
So, but as soon as they get out, they have that ability if they
(20:58):
want to.
And I I, in terms of the fear,I think it's just you have to
remember they love us even morethan they did when they were
here.
So they're not going to doanything, or they're going to
try not to do anything.
That makes us fearful.
That's shocking, or, you know,they usually try if they know
somebody is kind of worriedabout that.
(21:20):
They'll be very gentle andthey'll be very they'll.
They'll do little things.
Okay, they're very conscious ofthe effect that they have on us
.
Yeah, so I wouldn't be afraidof that at all.
It's not like all of a sudden,you know, somebody's going to
show up at the end of your bedand say hi guess who's.
(21:44):
Yeah, they will not do that.
Okay, I know there's certainmovies that show kind of
depiction.
I'm thinking of one inparticular.
I don't remember what the nameis, but they actually did
something like that.
They don't do that.
Kertia (21:57):
They just don't do that Because you know they'd have
everybody jumping out of theirskins.
Laura (22:02):
They'd have people, their loved ones, having heart
attacks and things like that.
A lot of them have senses ofhumor, by the way, just like a
lot of people here have sensesof humor, right, but they would
never do something like thatBecause the whole idea is to be
loving and to let people knowBecause you know what they know
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that we have to grieve.
So they want us to grievebecause they know that that's
part of the healing process, butthey don't want us to grieve
forever.
Part of that grieving processbecause that helps us to get
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through our grief more easilyand more quickly.
Because when we know our lovedones in our are are still there
and they're in a wonderful place, it helps us lose that fear and
that the pain, the pain of loss.
Because that's what griefreally is, because really, grief
is all about us.
Okay, it's not about them.
They're perfectly.
Kertia (23:07):
I keep telling people this they're perfectly happy,
they're perfectly, you knowthey've got all kinds of friends
and loved ones around them onthe other side, we're the ones
that are actually going throughthe hard time.
Laura (23:18):
okay, because grief is is the pain of loss, it's the pain
of them not being here anymore.
It's really not so much aboutthem, it's really more about us.
Kertia (23:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Laura (23:32):
And once you understand that, it actually in a lot of
ways makes it easier, becausethe sort of as you go and I know
this from personal experiencebecause I lost my partner as you
go through the grief process,what ends up happening is you go
from this transition of thepain of loss and thinking about
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the loss of that person and yougradually go to the other end of
the spectrum, which is feelingthe love for that person and
thinking about them.
Not thinking about their loss,but thinking about all the
wonderful things that happenedwith that person, all the
wonderful moments and all thelove that you had for that
person and all the love thatthey had for you.
(24:14):
That's how you know, basically,that you're coming out of the
grief cycle is when there's waymore thoughts about all the
wonderful loving things thathappened with that person
instead of the pain of losingthem.
Ok, that's when you know thatyou're really healed loving
things that happened with thatperson instead of the pain of
losing them.
Okay, that's when you know thatyou're really healed.
Kertia (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for that explanation.
That was.
That was such a beautifulexplanation, laura.
Oh, thank you.
You've mentioned earlier yourguides, and I know you refer to
them as the guardians.
I'd love to know who are they,like this group of angels that
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support you.
I'd love to know more aboutthem.
Laura (24:57):
Okay, I'm going to start this with the thing that they
always tell me, because so manypeople are hung up on knowing
the names and stuff of theirguides and their angels and all
this and they say to me theydon't care.
Okay, that's a human thing,that's a hierarchical human
thing.
You can call them, you know,betty, bob and Sue, if you want.
(25:20):
Okay.
Kertia (25:21):
Really, that's what they say all the time.
Laura (25:24):
Now, I know who some of my guides are.
I don't know who they all are,but some of them I am identified
with because we've beenidentified for a long, long time
, for many lifetimes.
My major, the head honcho of mygroup, of my team I call them,
my team is Archangel Michael,and we've been.
(25:45):
You know, um, and also, um,mother Mary and I.
I have no religion.
I'm, I'm a, I'm a religious, Iwasn't brought up a religious
and as soon as I would mention,uh, mother Mary, people get all
exercised because she's soespecially, she's very
associated with the Catholicism.
(26:05):
Yeah, but actually Mother Maryhas nothing to do with them.
Actually, she was originally anarchangel, by the way, she
decided to come through and bethe mother of Yeshua as service
to the world.
Okay, so she's actually anarchangel, actually.
And also her mother, who isalso another angelic, who is um,
(26:28):
anna.
Anna is the mother of Mary.
Okay, those three I mentionedthose because people know who
they are okay and then there's awhole other group and the group
.
I once saw a picture I don'tknow who the artist was, I think
I've used that picture beforeon my website and stuff like
that.
There's all this group that'sstanding around a world and it's
(26:59):
a picture that's been aroundfor a long time and in that
group there's indigenous elders,there's angels, and that is.
I was shown that picture and assoon as I saw that picture, god
my team goes.
Kertia (27:08):
Oh, that's us.
Laura (27:09):
So I know that there's a whole bunch of different, very
different, um, beings, verydifferent, and and in that group
too, there's also some beingsfrom other worlds, other
dimensions, other, uh, universes, however you want to look at it
.
So it's an interesting.
I have a large group because Ihave a bit of a pain in the arse
(27:31):
Now.
Kertia (27:34):
I can tell you a story if you want to hear this story.
Laura (27:37):
Yes, let's hear it.
This was shown to me by mygroup.
Everyone they've got ahilarious sense of humor, but
this was shown to me kind oflike in a vision or a dream.
However you want to think aboutit, it was shown to me.
You can think of it like avideo, like a reel.
Okay, there we go.
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This reel was presented to meand what it is is that, at my
birth, an Archangel Michael isstanding there and my guardian
angel is standing there andArchangel Michael is standing
there and my guardian angel isstanding there and she's female
and she's looking up atArchangel Michael, going oh, I'm
going to need help with thisone.
And Archangel Michael justlaughs and he goes oh, you'll
(28:20):
get help.
And then she waits a few moreminutes and a few more things
happen and she goes oh, I'mgoing to need a lot of help with
this one.
Oh, my god about it.
He says I'm sending you a bunchof other angels to help you,
and and then she goes I don'tknow if they're gonna be enough.
And he looks down at her and hegoes well, I'm sending you a
legion oh my god he goes.
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Okay, that should do it.
So for anybody that doesn'tknow, what a legion is.
Kertia (28:50):
A legion is 144,000 angels.
Girl, you need a whole 144,000.
Laura (29:01):
Every time I think about this story alone, let alone tell
this story.
It's hilarious, oh man alone.
Let alone tell this story.
It's hilarious, oh man.
They showed this to me and evennow, when I'm saying it,
they're they're making me knowthat it was more than a joke,
okay, but what I?
What I've learned through thisexperience too.
When they show me things, it'salways to teach me things, to
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help me help other people.
Yeah, and what I've seen a deallike I've literally been in
session with hundreds andhundreds and help other people.
Yeah, and what I've seen?
A deal like.
I've literally been in sessionwith hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of people okay and Iget a glimpse at their group, at
their team, because their teamworks with my team and that's
how we get all the information.
Yeah, um, now people have teamsof all different sizes, okay,
(29:45):
and we're so caught up on.
You know, the more the better.
You know if we've got you know.
This is why they don't wantpeople to get caught up with
names and stuff too, because oh,you know, if I don't have an
archangel in my group, then I'mnothing, and you know all this
stuff and the same thing aboutnumbers.
Oh, people have oh my god,people have weird ideas as human
beings we're so we're so caughtup in the hierarchical way of
(30:09):
thinking hierarchical system andmore is better and if I have a
bigger team, I'm better than you.
It has nothing to do with ityeah what they have told me,
though, is that people who havea mission or a purpose in, in
this particular lifetime, ofhelping a lot of people Okay,
the more people that you'redestined to help in this
(30:30):
particular lifetime, usually thelarger the group, because
obviously you're helping morepeople, so you're going to need
more help, okay, and justbecause you have a small team
doesn't mean you're less than itjust means that you are not one
of those people that's going tobe helping large groups, and
then my team always reminds meif you only help one person in
(30:53):
this lifetime and that can evenbe yourself, then you have done
wonderful, wonderful work.
Again, it's not about numbers,okay, you don't have to save
half the world in order to havea worthwhile life.
You could help one person, evenif that one person is just
yourself.
Kertia (31:14):
Okay.
Laura (31:15):
Because when you heal yourself by the way and they're
bringing this in now when youheal yourself okay, this is all
about ancestral karma when youheal yourself, you heal seven
generations back and sevengenerations into the future.
So everybody asks me, like, howcan I help you know?
Uh, heal in my ancestral karma.
(31:37):
The way that you heal ancestralkarma is by healing yourself
yeah, yeah okay, and when youheal yourself, like I said, you
not only yourself.
you have at least sevengenerations back and seven
generations into the future.
So if you want to really helpyour children and your
grandchildren and your greatgrandchildren heal yourself.
(31:58):
So that's why healing ourselvesis so important and it's not
selfish.
Ok, it's not selfish.
Okay, it's not selfish at all,and that's why self-care is not
selfish, because self-care ispart of healing ourselves.
Kertia (32:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is that.
That was beautifully said.
That is so true.
What and I'm sure you'vereceived many, what, um, what
would you say is one of the most, I guess, profound messages?
I mean you just said one,actually, about healing yourself
(32:36):
and how that goes back sevengenerations and for seven
generations, but I'd love tohear any other profound messages
that you've received from yourguides, from spirit, um, I mean,
we live like the times thatwe're living in right now.
Laura (32:54):
I think people need to hear something or connect with
something, not something, but, Iguess, back to self, more so
than ever, the the biggestquestions I get right now and
we're on a very auspicious daybecause this is a huge opening,
a huge portal, and a lot of mycohorts are in spirit, are
(33:20):
talking about this day is beingthe transition day for for human
species.
Okay, this is a big day.
There's always reasons whythings happen.
So we picked a very auspiciousday which I didn't realize until
now actually to have thisconversation and the biggest
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thing, I want people to know,because there's a lot of fear
what I call fear porn out thereabout what's going to
happen with the earth.
What's going to happen, youknow, with us as a species.
You know the world's going toend, it's going to be horrible
and all these things, um,starting really profoundly in
(34:05):
2020.
Um, I started getting reallyhow shall I say it?
Large, powerful messages aboutwhat was going to happen in the
next 10 years.
So at that point it was 2020.
So it was from 2020 to 2015.
Yeah, 2030.
Sorry, 2030.
Yeah, now we're in the hat,we're in the last half of that.
(34:27):
But the big message that camethrough was that the world is
going to change more in the next10 years, so from 2020 to 2030,
than it has in the past 300.
Okay, which is pretty mindblowing.
Like at the time, I reallycouldn't wrap my head around
(34:49):
that.
And what they said also is youhave to realize that actually,
most of the change in this worldhas happened in the last
hundred years.
Okay, most of the chain rapidchange has happened in the last
hundred years.
So, even if you look at justthe last hundred years, if we're
packing a 100 year change intoa 10 year slot, wow, yeah,
(35:15):
that's tenfold.
Okay, so if you think time isspeeding up and things are
happening really quickly, guesswhat?
You're right, I guess they areOkay.
And now we're in the last fiveyears of that, and what I've
been shown recently is I wasshown this really strongly
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starting about October, novemberof 2024.
The 2025 is going to be I'mgoing to use the word
challenging the most challengingyear of the next five years.
Okay, 2025 is going to be ourmost challenging year.
2026 is also going to bechallenging, but it's going to
be a little easier than 20, thanthis year, and then, as we go
(35:58):
along, 2027, 2028, 2029, it'sgoing to get easier and easier
and more and more things goodthings are going to be happening
and we're going to hear aboutthem.
Okay, and don't be fooled, likeall we hear right now.
Um, let me put it this way tooyou have to remember I spent 30
years in the uh mass media, okay, yeah, so I know how that works
(36:24):
.
Believe you me.
There's that old saying if itbleeds, it leads.
Ok, it's all about the negative, ok, and there actually, even
now, is a lot of very, verypositive things that are
happening.
We're just not hearing aboutthem.
Yeah.
So this is the year that Ithink people will get into the
(36:46):
most trouble, because it will bethe most challenging and we
will be getting the darkest newsbecause the good news isn't
quite breaking through yet.
It will, starting next year andit'll get better and better.
That I've gotten.
How to survive this next fiveyears in the best possible way
(37:10):
is to stay in love and stay outof fear.
Stay in love and positivity andtake care of yourself, heal
yourself.
This is they've never emphasizedhealing as much as they have
now.
Okay, super, super important tobe doing your self-care and
healing yourself.
That's the biggest way you canhelp everybody around you is by
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taking care of yourself andstaying in that positivity,
staying in love, and the biggestit's not even it's actually
staying out of fear.
Okay, because there's so muchfear around us.
We need to stay in positivityand love and that will make this
ride, this challenging rideover this next year and really
(37:56):
the next two years, much, muchmore, much easier for you.
Ok, because I can tell youright now there are going to be
people that won't be making that.
They'll be falling into allthis fear.
There's already people doingthat, ok, and they're going to
have a really rough ride.
Ok, if you stay and you keepyourself grounded.
(38:19):
This is another thing.
We need to stay reallyreallything being out in nature,
ok.
Keeping your home, the energyof your home, in a very what I
call Zen, which is peaceful anduplifting.
(38:42):
OK so because we're at home alot, especially now so many
people are even working fromhome.
Your home environment isextremely important, so you want
to keep that environment ashigh vibrational as possible and
you want to spend as much timeas you possibly can outside, and
you want to.
If you don't already have ameditation practice, you better
(39:03):
get one.
And when I say a practice I youbetter get one.
And when I say a practice, Imean every day okay.
It doesn't have to be hours andhours, but even if you're doing
half an hour every day, it willcompletely change your life and
that will also help you keepcentered and grounded.
And those are the reallyimportant things and those are
(39:24):
the messages that they keeprepeating over and over and over
again, because we need to getit through our heads and we need
to be doing that, Otherwiseyou're going to have a really
rough ride.
Kertia (39:37):
Yeah, thank you for that .
That was that's an amazingmessage and that is so helpful.
And it helps to also put thingsinto perspective, especially
when you said that you know,imagine a hundred years of
change in 10 years, and it makessense why things look the way
(39:57):
they look, because when we lookat the world, it's like
catastrophic, you know, andpeople feel like there's just no
end to it.
But it's really important thatall of these things are broken
down so that the new can emergefrom that Right, and so I guess
(40:17):
this is why half the world lookslike it's burning right now.
Laura (40:22):
Well, you know, I they want.
They just reminded me I didn'tput the capper on it, which we
need to put on it, because thisis what really gives hope, and I
think hope is to know thatpeople can go through a lot of
struggle if they know thatsomething good is going to come
out of it in the end.
Bookmark on the other end,because they told me, when we
(40:46):
stand in 2030, that we will lookback and we will not.
We'll look back to now, or evento 2020, because that was
pandemic time.
Kertia (40:58):
Okay, do you want to look at it that way, yeah, um,
and we will.
Laura (41:02):
We will just be odd and we will be in disbelief that we
could have come from there andmade it to this wonderful state
that we're in in 2030.
Like it'll just be mind-blowingit'll just be absolutely
mind-blowing and I think thereal thing is this year I think
(41:22):
the real even more than all thething that went on with the
pandemic and how that was sohard for so many people and it
was such a struggle and all thatstuff.
I think this year is going tobe actually even more
challenging because it'scompressed and it's and it's
being how shall I say governedby the mass media.
(41:45):
There there's a good word OK,governed by the mass media.
There there's a good word okay,governed by the mass media,
yeah.
But, like I said, you cannotbelieve everything you see, read
or hear.
Actually, I recommend I didthis years ago, but if you
haven't done this, I wouldrecommend this to everyone stop
watching the news, okay, and Idon't care whether it's on tv,
(42:08):
whether it's a newspaper,whether it's a radio, whether
it's online, I don't care whereit is.
Stop watching, listening,reading mass media, okay,
because it's a totally distortedview of what's really going on.
Cause, remember, if it bleeds,it bleeds.
Okay, that's a saying fromyears ago, but it's it's the
(42:33):
same now on steroids, and it'snot even news anymore.
Okay, I think news went out offashion with Walter Cronkite.
That's how long it's been sincewe've really had news.
Now it's either some form ofinfomercial the news, the actual
news or it's commentary.
(42:54):
Okay, people don't realize.
Commentary is not news, Okay,news is reporting facts and
actual things that are happening, not people's opinions of
what's happening yeah, okay.
Or people's opinions when theydon't even know the facts of
(43:17):
what actually is happening okayand that's what we're getting
now, and that's a huge part ofthe problem.
Huge part of the problem, okay,and this is why people are
making bad decisions.
Okay, because when you have badinformation, you make bad
decisions, because you're makingdecisions based on something
(43:38):
that isn't even real.
You see what I'm saying?
You're preaching la, I know,but sometimes we got to.
Kertia (43:48):
I love it.
I love it.
Laura (43:50):
People don't get it, and they just don't get it, and you
know, and really, what has tohappen instead of being up here.
This is directly from my guides.
Ok, this is another one thatthey've been harping on lately.
We got to get out of here andinto here.
Kertia (44:09):
Yeah.
Laura (44:10):
Okay, and there's real science behind this, by the way.
In case you didn't know,they've discovered fairly
recently that we actually have aliteral brain in our heart, so
we have to start thinking withour hearts and feeling with our
hearts.
(44:30):
There's a cluster of cells,there's like a little mini brain
inside of our heart and thosecells are literally neurons,
just like in your brain.
Okay, so there's literally aheart.
I love this.
How science is now provingspirituality.
I love it.
All these things that I'veknown for years and I've been
told for years.
They're all starting to beproven by science.
(44:51):
Yeah, okay, and this is a bigone.
Okay, but in the heart.
To distinguish them from theneurons in our brain, they call
them neurites, but they'reexactly the same cells as in our
brain.
So there's like literally alittle mini brain in our heart
and we need to be focusing fromthere instead of from our brain.
(45:14):
Okay, and we also need to bemaking.
This is another thing a lot ofpeople are talking about now.
Is the heart-brain connectionhuge, the heart-brain resonance?
Okay, this is a major connect.
This is the next leveldevelopment of the human being.
Is that mind heart connection?
(45:35):
Yeah, yeah, there's a wonderfulpeople doing a lot of work on
this and it's called heart mapinstitute.
I believe they do a lot of workon this and again science.
Okay, because there's so manypeople that you know when you
start talking about spiritualityand spiritual things, uh they
go.
You can't prove it, it's notscience yeah and they go really
(46:00):
well.
Actually, you can a lot ofthings, and this, see, this is
the other thing that they toldme will keep happening All the
things, all these spiritualthings that we've known, and in
some cases for thousands ofyears, like you go back into you
know, some of the Indianwritings and some of these old
(46:21):
writings and the things that arein there are starting to be
proven by science.
Yeah, okay, and that will keephappening that's another
evolution that's going on,because you know, actually I'm
getting on my soapbox hereactually, at one time,
spirituality and science werethe same thing.
The biggest, the baddest thingthat ever happened is when that
(46:46):
schism came between science andreligion, and that was a big
problem of a lot of everything.
That was the core issue and thecore problem of a lot of things
that we're dealing with todaythat schism when they were
separated and they became quoteunquote different things.
(47:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and that,because we're talking about fear
.
That is what caused a hugeamount of fear when religion
became something to make peopleafraid.
Yeah, you know and that's wherehell came from and all this you
know, and this is whereoriginal sin came from oh god,
(47:30):
we're gonna go to hell.
yeah, we don't do this or dothat or listen to this priest or
that, you know, and they're all.
And don't get me wrong, mybackground is, of course,
judeo-christian, but all of themajor religions are exactly the
same.
They all have their own way ofdoing these things okay.
(47:52):
Oh yeah, and what I was toldfrom okay, I'll give you another
instance of how I when myjourney really started was when
I was a little kid.
I was about 10 or 11.
I told you I wasn't brought upin a, I didn't have a religious
family at all, but when I was 10or 11, I decided that I wanted
to find out where God and theangels lived.
Kertia (48:15):
Yeah.
Laura (48:16):
And so nobody was going to tell me.
Because I kept asking andnobody told, nobody had an
answer that I liked.
And then I just thought at thattime, back in the 60s, you know
, god and the angels were atchurch.
Ok, so I decided that I wasgoing to go to church and my
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family wasn't going to take mebecause they weren't religious
at all.
And I was lucky in theneighborhood that I lived in in
Toronto, in greater Toronto,there was probably at least a
half a dozen churches in my inwalking distance of my house.
So every Sunday for like six oreight Sundays I put on my
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little Sunday best, because backin the days that's what you did
?
I had my little skirt and mylittle patent, leather shoes and
all that and I tromped off bymyself to church and I went to a
Catholic church, an Anglicanchurch, a Salvation Army church,
a Catholic church, an Anglicanchurch, a Salvation Army church,
a Baptist church.
I went to every church that wasavailable to me.
I wish I could have gone to asynagogue, but you can't because
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you have to be invited into asynagogue.
That's another story.
But the point is I realizedafter going to all these
churches that God and the angelsdidn't live there.
I met some really nice peopleand I met some not so nice
people, but God and the angelsdefinitely weren't there.
But you know, where my trueconnection to God and the angels
(49:44):
came from was when I got alittle bit older.
It's part of that story of whenI was 15, because when I was
basically from the time, I wasprobably 12, because when I was
basically from the time I wasprobably 12, 13, I was out in
nature, I was backpacking, I wascanoe tripping.
That's where my connection toGod, to spirit, to the divine,
(50:04):
came from, was being out in thewilderness, because I was doing
wilderness camping.
I wasn't, you know, sitting ina campground.
It's a bit different.
It's a bit different.
It's a bit different, okay,because pristine nature has an
or, I don't know, there's nottoo many places that are
pristine anymore, but aspristine as you can get Okay,
(50:24):
which means the least amount ofinterference by us has the
strongest spiritual energy thatyou'll ever find yeah, okay, and
that's where a lot, that'swhere my the wilderness,
basically, became my church hasthe strongest spiritual energy
that you'll ever find and that'swhere a lot, that's where my
the wilderness basically becamemy church and that's where I, if
you want to think about I don'teven like the word worship.
(50:46):
I think if you think about theword worship in the sense of
connection, then I'm all forthat word.
If you're thinking about it asbowing down and scraping, and
that's that's not, that's not,uh, that's not worship, that's
bowing down and scraping andgroveling.
Kertia (51:05):
You're right on that, no , sorry, oh, it's true, though
's true, and I love the way youexplain it because it's it.
It really um, shows like wherewe're coming from and where
we're going and why thisconnection to our hearts is just
(51:28):
so important.
Right, and you know, talkingabout religion and the
separation with spirituality andscience and the fear that came
out of that.
That is huge.
It's so true, so so true, youknow.
And religion as it exists todayis not religion as it was when
(51:49):
it first began, you know so.
Laura (51:52):
I'll tell you, the most bizarre thing, too, is all the
major religions.
They're not even followingtheir own books yes, exactly,
exactly exactly.
I was never a religious person,but I pretty much read the
bible cover to cover.
I've read a good portion of theQuran.
I've read the Badr Vida a lotof that material too and I don't
(52:18):
care which major religion youlook at.
They're not even followingtheir own books.
Because if they followed theirown books, they wouldn't be
doing half the stuff thatthey're doing.
Kertia (52:26):
Exactly yes, yes, yes.
Laura (52:31):
It's like, oh, how did that happen?
I could tell you how thathappened, but that's a whole
another show we'd have to dolaura.
Laura does 2.0 or something.
Kertia (52:40):
Yes yes, absolutely it's true, because, you know, the
fundamental message of all isit's just love.
And it's so easy, it's sosimple, it's literally love.
That is the fundamental messageof all religions and the thing
about it.
Laura (52:56):
It's not just love, it's love thyself and love the other
person.
And love the other person asthyself, and all the books have
it in.
They have the same language.
Yeah.
And in different forms, youknow, and it's just, it's just
crazy, and you know, and thewhole concept of God's in
(53:17):
everything, yeah, you know, Godis not some old man sitting on
you know a throne or somethingsomewhere.
Kertia (53:27):
That's commanded us.
God is in everything.
Laura (53:29):
God is energy, god is spirit.
This is why I love nature.
Kertia (53:33):
Yeah.
Laura (53:33):
Because that is where you can literally feel God in
everything.
Kertia (53:39):
Yeah, yeah, in the, in the, in the very breath that you
take every, every second, yeah.
Laura (53:47):
And water.
You keep an eye on water.
Water is.
I've actually heard this ispart of the new science.
You know, if you, dr Moto, andyou look into some of that work
yeah, about how water works.
We don't even know what waterreally is and actually I've
heard some of the new scientists, which I really love, who have
(54:07):
been doing a lot of this workthey're actually think that like
water is god, like water, likethere's something fundamentally,
it's a fundamental energeticelement.
I'm trying to look at the rightwords and that that's probably
as close as I can get right now.
Yeah, but water is super, super.
(54:28):
Why do you think?
We're almost know we're like75% or more water.
Kertia (54:33):
Mm-hmm.
Laura (54:34):
Okay, and why is water so healing?
Yeah, yeah, you know.
And why is water so precious?
Kertia (54:45):
Yeah.
Laura (54:47):
Okay, things note the thing, because a lot of people
don't even realize things thatare actually powerful and sacred
.
They become precious and a lotof times people don't even know
why, but it's like, it's in us,it's, it's, it's um I'm looking
(55:08):
for the right word it's not evenconscious, it's coming from a
subconscious place in us that weknow that water is sacred.
You know, that's where baptismcomes from and that whole idea,
you know, is water is sacredholy water what makes water
(55:30):
sacred?
And I think it's the energy ofthe divine.
I think that, literally, watercarries our divinity, and that's
why these human bodies, thesehuman vessels, in order to make
them a vessel for our soul,which is our divinity, our
(55:52):
bodies were made mostly of water, because water in itself is
divine energy.
Wow, I just came up with that.
Kertia (56:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Laura (56:05):
Whoa Laura.
Kertia (56:08):
You're hitting all the notes.
Laura (56:13):
I love this conversation.
It's great.
Kertia (56:15):
I feel, very inspired.
Laura (56:16):
Today.
Kertia (56:17):
I love it, I love it, I love it.
I will be a source ofinspiration any day.
Laura (56:25):
Well, and you know, we talked about at the very
beginning, about the, the energyof today, and honestly, I think
a huge part of it is the energyof today yes this is a real.
I think we're going to lookback at this in the future and
see that this day in 2025 was anextremely pivotal day.
(56:48):
Yeah, and look at all thethrees 21 is a three it's the
third month.
Yeah, and 2025 is a nine, whichis three, three three, three
it's literally three, three,three all the way across yeah
and three, I'll tell you, is adivine number, because every
(57:11):
single major religion or thoughtprocess, belief system, has a
trilogy of some kind yeah okay,I don't care whether you're
talking about christianity,father, son and holy ghost or
well, I won't anyway to druidsme.
(57:32):
Every major religion, everythought form has some form of
trilogy within it, and thetriangle, which is our three
again, is also the base of allsacred geometry.
Kertia (57:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Laura (57:51):
I'm just a little sponge.
I'm a knowledge sponge.
Kertia (57:54):
It's knowledge so true, it's so true, it's so true.
Laura (57:58):
I love it, I love I just love putting all the p because
it's like this huge puzzle.
I think that's actually part ofour purpose.
Coming to this earth is for usbecause part of it was
forgetting when we're born inhere.
We forgot everything, all thewonderful things that we knew
(58:18):
from all these different lives,and part of it was putting
together this huge puzzle ofunderstanding of what's really
going on and what's reallyhappening, and that's how I've
always thought about religions,too and all the sacred books.
Nobody has all the answers.
The only way that we get to findout the answers is by putting
(58:40):
everything together, and this iswhy unity and sharing is so
important, because anybody whothinks this is where I have a
problem with some religions,because they think that they
have it all, and if you don'tbelieve exactly how they believe
, then you don't know anythingyeah, okay yeah, and they're all
(59:02):
as bad.
One is as bad as the other, soit's just oh yeah, so uh.
But my belief system,everything that I've been shown,
is that we have to put allthose beliefs together, all
those books together all themagic together, all of us
together, in order to reallyfinish the puzzle.
It's the biggest puzzle you'veever seen.
(59:26):
Like you see these puzzles thathave like 5,000 or 10,000
pieces.
Well, this is like oh my god,just imagine how many pieces are
in this puzzle.
Kertia (59:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
It's all about love and unity.
You know what we can do when wecome together well, yeah, and
it's all you know.
Laura (59:46):
It's all about that collaborative energy.
Yeah, because nobody can do itby themselves yeah, yeah.
And that's what I mean.
I learned something and that'swhy I love speaking with people,
whether it's clients, whetherit's doing something like this,
like a podcast, whether it's insome kind of networking group or
whatever.
Whenever we're relating toother people, we're always
(01:00:11):
learning, because they're haveenergy to give to us and we have
energy to give to them, and thecombinations of those things
you all of a sudden have.
You start putting piecestogether, because you have some
pieces maybe that I didn't have,and then I have some pieces
that maybe you didn't have, andyou know if there was other
people in the room.
Of course there's all kinds ofpeople in the other room, but
that's a whole nother topic ohyeah, in your room, in my room,
(01:00:33):
um, so it's, you know, that'show we find.
So this is why this isolationistof any form okay them and us
them, and us them, and all thisstuff that's going on right now,
yeah, uh, is the worst possiblething and and it's actually, I
(01:00:53):
believe, formulated to keep usin the dark, because as long as
you keep people separate and youdon't allow them to collaborate
, then they can't find all thepieces of the puzzle and then
you can keep them and guess whatfear.
Kertia (01:01:12):
Yeah, okay, that's probably a good place to end,
yeah this is such an amazingconversation, I think we need to
do another.
You know, as you said, laura2.0.
Laura (01:01:31):
I've had that quite often , but it's fun, fun.
I would be more than happy todo that with you.
Kertia (01:01:37):
This was so good, laura.
Thank you so much.
I'm so honored to have had thisconversation with you today.
As you said, today isauspicious.
The threes are, you know, likewe can see, I didn't even
realize that.
Laura (01:01:52):
Yeah, the synchronicities are happening.
Thank you so much.
Kertia (01:01:54):
You know, like we can see, I didn't even realize that.
Yeah, the synchronicities arehappening.
Thank you so much.
I really love this conversation.
I'd love for you to just end bytelling us where we can find
your work and access yourservices and all the good stuff.
Laura (01:02:07):
Okay, well, it's really easy to find me.
I'm sure you're going to putall this in all my links in the
show notes, but it's super easyto find me.
I'm sure you're going to putall this in all my links in the
show notes, but it's super easyto find me.
You can find me on my websiteat
wwwspiritspeakstothenumber2.me,and easy, the easiest way, if
you're interested in doing asession or getting some more
information, is to just email meat laurahorwig at gmailcom.
(01:02:32):
Perfect, and all my sociallinks.
I'm all over Facebook, sothat's another easy way to find
me and our wonderful hostesswill give you the links.
And thank you very much.
I really, really enjoyed thisconversation, so that's great.
Kertia (01:02:48):
It was my pleasure.
Thank you so much, Laura.
You're welcome Pleasure.
Laura (01:02:51):
Thank you so much, laura, you're welcome.
Kertia (01:02:57):
Thank you so much for sticking it out with us.
I hope this conversationprovided you with something
helpful and, as with anything,take whatever resonates with you
and leave whatever doesn't.
Whether you agree or don'tagree, tell us what you think
Again by clicking the send us atext link that you'll see right
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above the show notes.
I believe that's on the topleft of the show notes.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much.
You know, as I said earlier on,it's all about creating a
dialogue, especially around thethings that are difficult for us
to speak about or difficult forus to understand.
So I really enjoy being inconversation with you.
(01:03:44):
Thank you so much, until nexttime.
Hey everyone, it's been a minute and I'm so happy to be
back.
We're just coming back from abrief break.
We just needed to rearrange afew things for the podcast, but
everything's been good and I'mso happy to continue these
amazing conversations that I'vebeen having.
So recently, I had aconversation with a psychic
(00:24):
medium and spiritual counselor,laura Horeg, which was so
enlightening, and it was justsuch a pleasure having her on
the podcast.
They need to change their livesand and to experience
transformative healing, you know, with the use of her spiritual
(00:49):
gifts and knowledge, and shedoes this with such a huge
amount of love and compassionfor others.
So, um, it was just so amazinghaving her on the podcast.
We recorded this conversationback in march and we touched on
some of the things that a lot ofus battle with, both on the
individual and on the collectivelevels, and she offered so many
(01:14):
words of wisdom.
I won't say much about it inthis intro.
I'll just allow you to listenand I'd love to know what you
think, because, at the end ofthe day, it's all about creating
a dialogue around the aspectsof life that we often question
and about the things we strugglewith the most.
(01:35):
So I have one ask for you Afterlistening to this episode,
scroll down to the show notesand click the link above the
show notes to send us a text.
All right, let's get into it.
Okay, laura, really excited tohave this conversation with you.
(02:03):
You know you stated that you'rea spiritual counselor and
intuitive coach.
First, I'd love to know whatyour spiritual journey was like.
How did you get into the workthat you're currently doing?
Laura (02:15):
Oh, that all depends on where you, how far back you want
me to go.
You can go as far back as youwant back as you want, Okay,
Well, I was always veryspiritual, even as a young child
, but I didn't know.
I got things and I suddenly gotthe impression that people
didn't see the world a lot oftimes in the same way that I did
(02:36):
.
So I just basically startedkeeping my mouth shut as a young
child.
But when I was about 15, I'mgoing to do this the Reader's
Digest version when I was about15, I had an incredible out of
body experience on a cliff whichchanged my perception of the
world and who we were and whathappened after we died and
(02:58):
everything forever.
So that was really I kind ofthink of that as the first big
signpost of starting myspiritual journey.
And it continued throughout mylife, going up and down, and up
and down and up and down.
You know, sometimes very, veryengaged in spirituality,
sometimes at different,different times in my life.
(03:18):
Absolutely not, okay, yeah, soin terms of actually starting my
practice, I this is kind oflike my second career.
I was in advertising andmarketing for 30 years and for a
while I did readings andcounseling and stuff for people
a little bit on the side, but Ididn't really start full time
(03:41):
until about 2015.
And what prompted that was Iwent through a series of events
where my partner died suddenlyand it just projected me into a
huge healing journey of my own,which I went on for several
years.
And then I I wasn't sure what Iwas supposed to do and I just
(04:02):
got guided to start thispractice.
So that's what I did.
So about the middle of 2015, Istarted my spiritual counseling
and intuitive coaching practice.
Kertia (04:18):
What does your spiritual counseling practice look like
right now?
How do you assist people withthe work that you do?
Because you mentioned a fewthings right, you mentioned
mediumship.
I'm not sure if you doregressions as well, like how
does that look in the work thatyou do?
Laura (04:37):
Okay, I do three main things.
One is working in the spiritualcounseling, working one on one
with people, and that's dealingwith the issues of their life,
whether it's personal, familybusiness, whether it's, you know
, they want to look at theirspiritual growth, things like
that, or their own spiritualgifts, and those are that's one
(04:58):
on one work that I do withpeople, and I do that in hour
long sessions with people invarying numbers of times during
a year.
You know, some people I mightsee once a year, some people I
might see multiple times, andthen I won't see them again for
quite some time.
And the second part is myintuitive coaching, mentoring
(05:22):
program, which I call create thelife that you really want.
Imagine that.
And that's where I work ongoingwith people.
I do it in three month modules,but nobody ever, I've never had
anybody sign up and just do onemodule.
So usually I end up working withpeople for a year, sometimes
(05:44):
two years.
Sometimes people will take abreak because of what's going on
in their life and they'll comeback and you know we'll start
doing sessions again.
So that's part two, and partthree is my mediumship work, and
I'm not.
Most of the mediums that you'llsee out there tend to be
evidentiary mediums.
They'll do it in large groupsand their practice is usually
(06:08):
about helping people tounderstand that life goes on
beyond death.
I don't focus on that.
My focus in my mediumship workis healing helping people to
heal from grief and also helping.
It's kind of a.
It's a two stage promise.
(06:29):
One promise is to the livingand one promises to the people
on the other side.
I also made a promise to themthat I would help deliver
messages to their loved ones onthis side.
So it's kind of a two waystreet.
So I do that in a group setting.
That's the only thing I do in agroup setting.
But I do that live in a groupsetting.
The only time I usually domediumship work is live.
(06:51):
So I only do that locally.
In terms of my spiritualcounseling and my intuitive
coaching programs.
I have clients all over theworld because I do everything
like we're doing right now.
I do it online.
So I have literally haveclients all over the world.
So it's really great because Iget to meet all different kinds
(07:12):
of people from all differentkinds of places.
So it's, it's, it's prettywonderful.
Kertia (07:16):
That's beautiful.
That's beautiful work thatyou're doing.
I'd love to know you know, whatdo you have to say, because you
mentioned that all of this kindof like really took off when
you were 15 and you had thatexperience and you got that,
that insight into life and deathand what that means, right,
that's not being, you know,death itself, but just like that
(07:41):
, transitioning from one, fromone stage of life to another,
right, exactly.
I'd love for you to get intothat and help us to understand
what that transition is and whatis it that's there on the other
side that we should takecomfort in instead of being
(08:01):
afraid of.
Laura (08:03):
Well, actually, we should really take comfort in it,
because we actually expand afterwe shed our body.
Okay, let's start at thebeginning.
The main fact that people haveto really get is that we are
spiritual beings having aphysical experience.
Okay, we're not physical beingshaving a spiritual experience,
(08:24):
which is a very different thing.
At our heart, we are aspiritual being, and that
energetic being goes on fromlifetime to lifetime to lifetime
.
So there is really no suchthing as death in the sense that
we think about it, especiallyin the Western world.
Ok, it's, it's merely atransition.
So that's what people don'trealize.
(08:45):
We're actually going home.
Ok, it's not that we're goingsomeplace else, because that's
where we were before we wereborn into this world.
So it's an expanded existence.
It's much more.
We're much more powerful.
We have much more abilitieswhen we're on the other side
than we do when we're here inthe physical body, because we're
(09:07):
very restricted as to what wecan do and we're also under the
influence of all these humanemotions, and some of them are
wonderful, some of them are verypositive.
Kertia (09:18):
And a lot of them are very negative, you know hatred
and fear and anger and all thosethings.
Laura (09:24):
We drop those emotional energies when we go to the other
side.
So we're seeing everything froma much higher perspective.
That's why I always say youknow, a lot of people are afraid
to connect with people, a lotof times parents or grandparents
who they had a very challengingrelationship with when they
(09:46):
were actually here on the earth.
And I always tell them they'renot the same people on the other
side.
Okay, they're seeing everythingfrom a higher perspective,
they're seeing everything fromthe point of view of love, even
if you, you know, you couldn'tstand your mother and you had an
absolutely horriblerelationship with her when she
(10:06):
was on this earth.
It's not the same relationshipthat you can have with her when
she's on the other side.
And you know, that's awonderful thing because you can
develop a totally differentrelationship and you can do a
lot of healing for yourself,more so than a lot of people
could do when they were.
You know their actual loved onewas here yeah now, that's one
(10:30):
situation.
The other situation is peopledon't understand when, when our
loved ones are on the other side, they can actually be
energetically closer to us way,way closer to us than they were
when they were here in thephysical.
So that's another wonderfulthing, and there's absolutely
nothing to fear on the otherside.
You know all these things aboutoh, we're being judged and you
(10:54):
know horrible things.
And, by the way, there is nohell.
Okay, it doesn't exist if thereis a hell it's here on earth
okay, it's not, it's not whenyou pass away.
There is no such thing, and theonly judgment we do is of
ourselves the whole life reviewthat's for us to to learn.
(11:14):
It's not even a judgment.
It's for us to learn, um, fromthe lessons that we uh went
through when we were here onearth.
And the biggest thing about thatwhole life review part again
there's nothing to do withjudgment, but what it is is we
actually are able to feel thefeelings of the people that we
(11:34):
interacted with when we werehere, because that's something
well, at least at the moment, Ibelieve that's coming back, but
that's a whole nother topic.
We can actually feel theiremotions.
When they were in specificsituations Like, say, for
example, that you were in aheated argument with somebody
and there was a lot of hurtfeelings and things like that,
(11:55):
you can understand why thatargument happened and how that
person felt and why they were soangry on a very deep emotional
level, cause you're actuallyfeeling their emotions and
you're also feeling theirthoughts and and how, why they
felt that way, which issomething we can't do when we're
(12:15):
here.
We think we can, but we're we'rebasically guessing and the only
thing that we can do is asksomebody how they feel, and
asking somebody how they feel.
Number one a lot of peopledon't really tell the truth.
I don't say they're necessarilylying, but people aren't as
forthcoming with feelings, howthey feel about things, and it's
(12:38):
very different to understandsomething on an intellectual,
more of an intellectual level,but on the other side, when
you're actually feeling theiremotions, it's a whole different
experience, because then youactually know truly how that
person felt and, uh, it's, it'sa learning on a whole nother
(12:59):
level.
So that's really, and we don'thave to be afraid for our loved
ones that are passing overbecause you know I always use
this example a lot of times withmy clients.
If you ever saw that movie, youmight not quite be old enough,
but the movie Titanic I haveokay, good, oh gosh, I'm not as
(13:22):
young as I look.
Yeah, okay, it's a fantasticmovie.
Well, that's a good thing.
Don't knock that.
That's a good thing.
Kertia (13:30):
Yeah.
Laura (13:32):
At the end of the movie Titanic, when the old lady
finally passes away and she goesto the other side and they show
her on the ship with all thepeople she's young again okay.
They show her on the ship withall the people that she's young
again.
Okay, they show her on the shipwith all the people that had
passed away and they'reliterally having this huge party
for her to welcome her back.
And that is literally.
(13:53):
I can tell you, that isliterally what happens on the
other side when you cross over.
There's all your loved ones,there's all the people that
you've ever known.
um, a lot of times people saywhat you know it's if somebody
passes away young, and whathappens if there's nobody on the
other side?
There's always people on theother side, because they can
also be people that you knew inpast lives, that you loved and
(14:15):
you cherished, and in past lives, and they're there too.
Okay, and not only that, butthe big part that I love,
because I I love animals.
Our pets are there too.
Okay, I'm talking about, youknow, dogs and cats and actually
horses too, which isinteresting All those animals
that are particularly close tohuman beings here on Earth.
They show up on the other side.
(14:40):
So it's not only the people thathave gone before us and passed
away, but it's also the animals,which is a wonderful thing for
so many people, because so manypeople have, you know, there's
people that have actuallygreater connections to animals
than they actually have topeople.
So, you know, it's wonderfuland I always say, like, don't
worry about it If you have ananimal that you absolutely love,
(15:02):
because animals have wayshorter lifespans than we do, so
we're always losing our animals, but they're waiting there for
you and they will be there foryou when your time comes and you
pass over.
Whenever that time is, you knowwhether it's 48 or 84, they're
going to be there waiting foryou when you pass over, so, and
(15:22):
we hope it's not 48, but youknow, that happens too.
Kertia (15:26):
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
A question that stood out in mymind as you were speaking is
all of us, we will, at somepoint in time, experience the
death of a loved one, right,granted that we don't go first,
but most of us will experienceat some point the death of a
(15:46):
loved one.
What do you do?
Because I know, like a lot ofus have not only have fear of
death itself and what awaits uson the other side, but then
there's also the fear of theunknown, right.
There are times when, forexample, someone might have a
husband, a wife, a brother, asister that passes away, and
(16:07):
when that loved one whotransitioned, tried to
communicate with their loved onewho is still on earth, there is
also that element of fear thereas well.
So not only you know we justcovered the fear of death and
what awaits on the other side,but then there's that other fear
of having that communication.
(16:28):
How can we bridge that gap?
Laura (16:30):
Well, I think number one.
I think most people want tohave some kind of sign.
Ok, because everybody comes tome, you know, even people who
don't.
It's interesting, even peoplethat don't have a lot of beliefs
about that.
This is even possible.
I've even had people come to mewho actually didn't believe in
an afterlife.
They didn't believe inreincarnation, they didn't
(16:53):
believe in any of this stuff.
Kertia (16:54):
But yet when?
Laura (16:55):
somebody close to them, somebody that they love, passed
away.
They still wanted to know ifthey could get some kind of sign
or something from that person,and I always suggest I haven't
met anybody yet that doesn'twant some kind of communication
or some knowledge that theirperson is there and that they're
okay and that there's stillsomething of them still existing
(17:19):
.
Okay, and the best way to getthose things are to be open to
it.
Okay, because somebody on theother side will always give us
something that we recognize andand it's different for every
person but they have to show ussomething that we recognize
that's attached to them.
Okay, and one of the biggestthings, the other biggest things
(17:43):
that people come to me with isyou know they'll come to me and
say oh, you know, my husband hasbeen gone for six months and
you know I haven't heardanything from him and everybody
else.
I know, you know, got some signright away and blah, blah, blah,
blah, blah, right andabsolutely without fail, I start
(18:05):
questioning that person abouthow their, how their partner or
how their loved one passed awayand it was some kind of sudden
death.
Okay, even if they were sickfor a while, their actual
passing was very sudden andoften, sometimes, unexpected.
The best thing I can do, I cangive you example, is like
(18:25):
somebody was in a car accidentand they were killed instantly.
Okay, people like that go towhat I call I have named, and my
guides have kind of joined inon that name I call it angel
hospital.
Okay, so they end up in angelhospital.
Kertia (18:43):
Now there's other people who end up in the angel
hospital.
Laura (18:46):
young children and babies that pass away, they
automatically go to angelhospital.
People that pass away suddenlygo to angel hospital because
they a lot of times don't evenrealize that they've passed,
don't even realize that they'vepassed.
And then there's one othercategory, and this is a tough
(19:08):
thing for a lot of people, butpeople who have chosen to take
their own life.
Okay, they go to to AngelHospital.
Now, all these people may needhelp making the transition.
Okay, they need healing,literally they need healing to
start the next part of theirlife on the other side.
Okay, for all the reasons thatare obvious to everyone.
Okay, so how long they stay inthe angel hospital is dependent,
(19:31):
and it's very hard to saybecause there actually is no
time on the other side.
So it doesn't even correlatewith us because we have linear
time.
But the thing that people needto understand is I compare it.
I know it's weird, but Icompare it to drug rehab.
Okay, the reason I compare it todrug rehab is if you know
(19:53):
anyone if you've seen a movie,or everybody pretty much knows
if you go into rehab okay whatthey do.
What do they do?
They take away your phones.
They don't allow you to to talkto anybody for a specific
amount of time, because theywant you totally focused on your
own recovery and they don'twant any distractions.
So it's the same in angelhospital okay because as long as
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you're in angel hospital, youcan't communicate with them and
they can't communicate with us,even as a media.
They can't communicate with me.
I can a medium.
They can't communicate with me.
I can tell a lot of times ifsomebody's in angel hospital,
but I can't receive messagesfrom them because a medium- is
just an antenna.
Okay, it's not like I go outand grab people and say come
(20:37):
talk to us, okay.
They have to make the choiceyeah, to speak to us and then,
as a medium, you receive thatinformation.
But when they're in angelhospital they can't okay because
it's just like being in rehabthey're not allowed to call out
okay, so that's what's happening.
So, but as soon as they get out, they have that ability if they
(20:58):
want to.
And I I, in terms of the fear,I think it's just you have to
remember they love us even morethan they did when they were
here.
So they're not going to doanything, or they're going to
try not to do anything.
That makes us fearful.
That's shocking, or, you know,they usually try if they know
somebody is kind of worriedabout that.
(21:20):
They'll be very gentle andthey'll be very they'll.
They'll do little things.
Okay, they're very conscious ofthe effect that they have on us
.
Yeah, so I wouldn't be afraidof that at all.
It's not like all of a sudden,you know, somebody's going to
show up at the end of your bedand say hi guess who's.
(21:44):
Yeah, they will not do that.
Okay, I know there's certainmovies that show kind of
depiction.
I'm thinking of one inparticular.
I don't remember what the nameis, but they actually did
something like that.
They don't do that.
Kertia (21:57):
They just don't do that Because you know they'd have
everybody jumping out of theirskins.
Laura (22:02):
They'd have people, their loved ones, having heart
attacks and things like that.
A lot of them have senses ofhumor, by the way, just like a
lot of people here have sensesof humor, right, but they would
never do something like thatBecause the whole idea is to be
loving and to let people knowBecause you know what they know
(22:24):
that we have to grieve.
So they want us to grievebecause they know that that's
part of the healing process, butthey don't want us to grieve
forever.
Part of that grieving processbecause that helps us to get
(22:48):
through our grief more easilyand more quickly.
Because when we know our lovedones in our are are still there
and they're in a wonderful place, it helps us lose that fear and
that the pain, the pain of loss.
Because that's what griefreally is, because really, grief
is all about us.
Okay, it's not about them.
They're perfectly.
Kertia (23:07):
I keep telling people this they're perfectly happy,
they're perfectly, you knowthey've got all kinds of friends
and loved ones around them onthe other side, we're the ones
that are actually going throughthe hard time.
Laura (23:18):
okay, because grief is is the pain of loss, it's the pain
of them not being here anymore.
It's really not so much aboutthem, it's really more about us.
Kertia (23:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Laura (23:32):
And once you understand that, it actually in a lot of
ways makes it easier, becausethe sort of as you go and I know
this from personal experiencebecause I lost my partner as you
go through the grief process,what ends up happening is you go
from this transition of thepain of loss and thinking about
(23:52):
the loss of that person and yougradually go to the other end of
the spectrum, which is feelingthe love for that person and
thinking about them.
Not thinking about their loss,but thinking about all the
wonderful things that happenedwith that person, all the
wonderful moments and all thelove that you had for that
person and all the love thatthey had for you.
(24:14):
That's how you know, basically,that you're coming out of the
grief cycle is when there's waymore thoughts about all the
wonderful loving things thathappened with that person
instead of the pain of losingthem.
Ok, that's when you know thatyou're really healed loving
things that happened with thatperson instead of the pain of
losing them.
Okay, that's when you know thatyou're really healed.
Kertia (24:31):
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much for that explanation.
That was.
That was such a beautifulexplanation, laura.
Oh, thank you.
You've mentioned earlier yourguides, and I know you refer to
them as the guardians.
I'd love to know who are they,like this group of angels that
(24:55):
support you.
I'd love to know more aboutthem.
Laura (24:57):
Okay, I'm going to start this with the thing that they
always tell me, because so manypeople are hung up on knowing
the names and stuff of theirguides and their angels and all
this and they say to me theydon't care.
Okay, that's a human thing,that's a hierarchical human
thing.
You can call them, you know,betty, bob and Sue, if you want.
(25:20):
Okay.
Kertia (25:21):
Really, that's what they say all the time.
Laura (25:24):
Now, I know who some of my guides are.
I don't know who they all are,but some of them I am identified
with because we've beenidentified for a long, long time
, for many lifetimes.
My major, the head honcho of mygroup, of my team I call them,
my team is Archangel Michael,and we've been.
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You know, um, and also, um,mother Mary and I.
I have no religion.
I'm, I'm a, I'm a religious, Iwasn't brought up a religious
and as soon as I would mention,uh, mother Mary, people get all
exercised because she's soespecially, she's very
associated with the Catholicism.
(26:05):
Yeah, but actually Mother Maryhas nothing to do with them.
Actually, she was originally anarchangel, by the way, she
decided to come through and bethe mother of Yeshua as service
to the world.
Okay, so she's actually anarchangel, actually.
And also her mother, who isalso another angelic, who is um,
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anna.
Anna is the mother of Mary.
Okay, those three I mentionedthose because people know who
they are okay and then there's awhole other group and the group
.
I once saw a picture I don'tknow who the artist was, I think
I've used that picture beforeon my website and stuff like
that.
There's all this group that'sstanding around a world and it's
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a picture that's been aroundfor a long time and in that
group there's indigenous elders,there's angels, and that is.
I was shown that picture and assoon as I saw that picture, god
my team goes.
Kertia (27:08):
Oh, that's us.
Laura (27:09):
So I know that there's a whole bunch of different, very
different, um, beings, verydifferent, and and in that group
too, there's also some beingsfrom other worlds, other
dimensions, other, uh, universes, however you want to look at it
.
So it's an interesting.
I have a large group because Ihave a bit of a pain in the arse
(27:31):
Now.
Kertia (27:34):
I can tell you a story if you want to hear this story.
Laura (27:37):
Yes, let's hear it.
This was shown to me by mygroup.
Everyone they've got ahilarious sense of humor, but
this was shown to me kind oflike in a vision or a dream.
However you want to think aboutit, it was shown to me.
You can think of it like avideo, like a reel.
Okay, there we go.
(27:57):
This reel was presented to meand what it is is that, at my
birth, an Archangel Michael isstanding there and my guardian
angel is standing there andArchangel Michael is standing
there and my guardian angel isstanding there and she's female
and she's looking up atArchangel Michael, going oh, I'm
going to need help with thisone.
And Archangel Michael justlaughs and he goes oh, you'll
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get help.
And then she waits a few moreminutes and a few more things
happen and she goes oh, I'mgoing to need a lot of help with
this one.
Oh, my god about it.
He says I'm sending you a bunchof other angels to help you,
and and then she goes I don'tknow if they're gonna be enough.
And he looks down at her and hegoes well, I'm sending you a
legion oh my god he goes.
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Okay, that should do it.
So for anybody that doesn'tknow, what a legion is.
Kertia (28:50):
A legion is 144,000 angels.
Girl, you need a whole 144,000.
Laura (29:01):
Every time I think about this story alone, let alone tell
this story.
It's hilarious, oh man alone.
Let alone tell this story.
It's hilarious, oh man.
They showed this to me and evennow, when I'm saying it,
they're they're making me knowthat it was more than a joke,
okay, but what I?
What I've learned through thisexperience too.
When they show me things, it'salways to teach me things, to
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help me help other people.
Yeah, and what I've seen a deallike I've literally been in
session with hundreds andhundreds and help other people.
Yeah, and what I've seen?
A deal like.
I've literally been in sessionwith hundreds and hundreds and
hundreds of people okay and Iget a glimpse at their group, at
their team, because their teamworks with my team and that's
how we get all the information.
Yeah, um, now people have teamsof all different sizes, okay,
(29:45):
and we're so caught up on.
You know, the more the better.
You know if we've got you know.
This is why they don't wantpeople to get caught up with
names and stuff too, because oh,you know, if I don't have an
archangel in my group, then I'mnothing, and you know all this
stuff and the same thing aboutnumbers.
Oh, people have oh my god,people have weird ideas as human
beings we're so we're so caughtup in the hierarchical way of
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thinking hierarchical system andmore is better and if I have a
bigger team, I'm better than you.
It has nothing to do with ityeah what they have told me,
though, is that people who havea mission or a purpose in, in
this particular lifetime, ofhelping a lot of people Okay,
the more people that you'redestined to help in this
(30:30):
particular lifetime, usually thelarger the group, because
obviously you're helping morepeople, so you're going to need
more help, okay, and justbecause you have a small team
doesn't mean you're less than itjust means that you are not one
of those people that's going tobe helping large groups, and
then my team always reminds meif you only help one person in
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this lifetime and that can evenbe yourself, then you have done
wonderful, wonderful work.
Again, it's not about numbers,okay, you don't have to save
half the world in order to havea worthwhile life.
You could help one person, evenif that one person is just
yourself.
Kertia (31:14):
Okay.
Laura (31:15):
Because when you heal yourself by the way and they're
bringing this in now when youheal yourself okay, this is all
about ancestral karma when youheal yourself, you heal seven
generations back and sevengenerations into the future.
So everybody asks me, like, howcan I help you know?
Uh, heal in my ancestral karma.
(31:37):
The way that you heal ancestralkarma is by healing yourself
yeah, yeah okay, and when youheal yourself, like I said, you
not only yourself.
you have at least sevengenerations back and seven
generations into the future.
So if you want to really helpyour children and your
grandchildren and your greatgrandchildren heal yourself.
(31:58):
So that's why healing ourselvesis so important and it's not
selfish.
Ok, it's not selfish.
Okay, it's not selfish at all,and that's why self-care is not
selfish, because self-care ispart of healing ourselves.
Kertia (32:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is that.
That was beautifully said.
That is so true.
What and I'm sure you'vereceived many, what, um, what
would you say is one of the most, I guess, profound messages?
I mean you just said one,actually, about healing yourself
(32:36):
and how that goes back sevengenerations and for seven
generations, but I'd love tohear any other profound messages
that you've received from yourguides, from spirit, um, I mean,
we live like the times thatwe're living in right now.
Laura (32:54):
I think people need to hear something or connect with
something, not something, but, Iguess, back to self, more so
than ever, the the biggestquestions I get right now and
we're on a very auspicious daybecause this is a huge opening,
a huge portal, and a lot of mycohorts are in spirit, are
(33:20):
talking about this day is beingthe transition day for for human
species.
Okay, this is a big day.
There's always reasons whythings happen.
So we picked a very auspiciousday which I didn't realize until
now actually to have thisconversation and the biggest
(33:43):
thing, I want people to know,because there's a lot of fear
what I call fear porn out thereabout what's going to
happen with the earth.
What's going to happen, youknow, with us as a species.
You know the world's going toend, it's going to be horrible
and all these things, um,starting really profoundly in
(34:05):
2020.
Um, I started getting reallyhow shall I say it?
Large, powerful messages aboutwhat was going to happen in the
next 10 years.
So at that point it was 2020.
So it was from 2020 to 2015.
Yeah, 2030.
Sorry, 2030.
Yeah, now we're in the hat,we're in the last half of that.
(34:27):
But the big message that camethrough was that the world is
going to change more in the next10 years, so from 2020 to 2030,
than it has in the past 300.
Okay, which is pretty mindblowing.
Like at the time, I reallycouldn't wrap my head around
(34:49):
that.
And what they said also is youhave to realize that actually,
most of the change in this worldhas happened in the last
hundred years.
Okay, most of the chain rapidchange has happened in the last
hundred years.
So, even if you look at justthe last hundred years, if we're
packing a 100 year change intoa 10 year slot, wow, yeah,
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that's tenfold.
Okay, so if you think time isspeeding up and things are
happening really quickly, guesswhat?
You're right, I guess they areOkay.
And now we're in the last fiveyears of that, and what I've
been shown recently is I wasshown this really strongly
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starting about October, novemberof 2024.
The 2025 is going to be I'mgoing to use the word
challenging the most challengingyear of the next five years.
Okay, 2025 is going to be ourmost challenging year.
2026 is also going to bechallenging, but it's going to
be a little easier than 20, thanthis year, and then, as we go
(35:58):
along, 2027, 2028, 2029, it'sgoing to get easier and easier
and more and more things goodthings are going to be happening
and we're going to hear aboutthem.
Okay, and don't be fooled, likeall we hear right now.
Um, let me put it this way tooyou have to remember I spent 30
years in the uh mass media, okay, yeah, so I know how that works
(36:24):
.
Believe you me.
There's that old saying if itbleeds, it leads.
Ok, it's all about the negative, ok, and there actually, even
now, is a lot of very, verypositive things that are
happening.
We're just not hearing aboutthem.
Yeah.
So this is the year that Ithink people will get into the
(36:46):
most trouble, because it will bethe most challenging and we
will be getting the darkest newsbecause the good news isn't
quite breaking through yet.
It will, starting next year andit'll get better and better.
That I've gotten.
How to survive this next fiveyears in the best possible way
(37:10):
is to stay in love and stay outof fear.
Stay in love and positivity andtake care of yourself, heal
yourself.
This is they've never emphasizedhealing as much as they have
now.
Okay, super, super important tobe doing your self-care and
healing yourself.
That's the biggest way you canhelp everybody around you is by
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taking care of yourself andstaying in that positivity,
staying in love, and the biggestit's not even it's actually
staying out of fear.
Okay, because there's so muchfear around us.
We need to stay in positivityand love and that will make this
ride, this challenging rideover this next year and really
(37:56):
the next two years, much, muchmore, much easier for you.
Ok, because I can tell youright now there are going to be
people that won't be making that.
They'll be falling into allthis fear.
There's already people doingthat, ok, and they're going to
have a really rough ride.
Ok, if you stay and you keepyourself grounded.
(38:19):
This is another thing.
We need to stay reallyreallything being out in nature,
ok.
Keeping your home, the energyof your home, in a very what I
call Zen, which is peaceful anduplifting.
(38:42):
OK so because we're at home alot, especially now so many
people are even working fromhome.
Your home environment isextremely important, so you want
to keep that environment ashigh vibrational as possible and
you want to spend as much timeas you possibly can outside, and
you want to.
If you don't already have ameditation practice, you better
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get one.
And when I say a practice I youbetter get one.
And when I say a practice, Imean every day okay.
It doesn't have to be hours andhours, but even if you're doing
half an hour every day, it willcompletely change your life and
that will also help you keepcentered and grounded.
And those are the reallyimportant things and those are
(39:24):
the messages that they keeprepeating over and over and over
again, because we need to getit through our heads and we need
to be doing that, Otherwiseyou're going to have a really
rough ride.
Kertia (39:37):
Yeah, thank you for that .
That was that's an amazingmessage and that is so helpful.
And it helps to also put thingsinto perspective, especially
when you said that you know,imagine a hundred years of
change in 10 years, and it makessense why things look the way
(39:57):
they look, because when we lookat the world, it's like
catastrophic, you know, andpeople feel like there's just no
end to it.
But it's really important thatall of these things are broken
down so that the new can emergefrom that Right, and so I guess
(40:17):
this is why half the world lookslike it's burning right now.
Laura (40:22):
Well, you know, I they want.
They just reminded me I didn'tput the capper on it, which we
need to put on it, because thisis what really gives hope, and I
think hope is to know thatpeople can go through a lot of
struggle if they know thatsomething good is going to come
out of it in the end.
Bookmark on the other end,because they told me, when we
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stand in 2030, that we will lookback and we will not.
We'll look back to now, or evento 2020, because that was
pandemic time.
Kertia (40:58):
Okay, do you want to look at it that way, yeah, um,
and we will.
Laura (41:02):
We will just be odd and we will be in disbelief that we
could have come from there andmade it to this wonderful state
that we're in in 2030.
Like it'll just be mind-blowingit'll just be absolutely
mind-blowing and I think thereal thing is this year I think
(41:22):
the real even more than all thething that went on with the
pandemic and how that was sohard for so many people and it
was such a struggle and all thatstuff.
I think this year is going tobe actually even more
challenging because it'scompressed and it's and it's
being how shall I say governedby the mass media.
(41:45):
There there's a good word OK,governed by the mass media.
There there's a good word okay,governed by the mass media,
yeah.
But, like I said, you cannotbelieve everything you see, read
or hear.
Actually, I recommend I didthis years ago, but if you
haven't done this, I wouldrecommend this to everyone stop
watching the news, okay, and Idon't care whether it's on tv,
(42:08):
whether it's a newspaper,whether it's a radio, whether
it's online, I don't care whereit is.
Stop watching, listening,reading mass media, okay,
because it's a totally distortedview of what's really going on.
Cause, remember, if it bleeds,it bleeds.
Okay, that's a saying fromyears ago, but it's it's the
(42:33):
same now on steroids, and it'snot even news anymore.
Okay, I think news went out offashion with Walter Cronkite.
That's how long it's been sincewe've really had news.
Now it's either some form ofinfomercial the news, the actual
news or it's commentary.
(42:54):
Okay, people don't realize.
Commentary is not news, Okay,news is reporting facts and
actual things that are happening, not people's opinions of
what's happening yeah, okay.
Or people's opinions when theydon't even know the facts of
(43:17):
what actually is happening okayand that's what we're getting
now, and that's a huge part ofthe problem.
Huge part of the problem, okay,and this is why people are
making bad decisions.
Okay, because when you have badinformation, you make bad
decisions, because you're makingdecisions based on something
(43:38):
that isn't even real.
You see what I'm saying?
You're preaching la, I know,but sometimes we got to.
Kertia (43:48):
I love it.
I love it.
Laura (43:50):
People don't get it, and they just don't get it, and you
know, and really, what has tohappen instead of being up here.
This is directly from my guides.
Ok, this is another one thatthey've been harping on lately.
We got to get out of here andinto here.
Kertia (44:09):
Yeah.
Laura (44:10):
Okay, and there's real science behind this, by the way.
In case you didn't know,they've discovered fairly
recently that we actually have aliteral brain in our heart, so
we have to start thinking withour hearts and feeling with our
hearts.
(44:30):
There's a cluster of cells,there's like a little mini brain
inside of our heart and thosecells are literally neurons,
just like in your brain.
Okay, so there's literally aheart.
I love this.
How science is now provingspirituality.
I love it.
All these things that I'veknown for years and I've been
told for years.
They're all starting to beproven by science.
(44:51):
Yeah, okay, and this is a bigone.
Okay, but in the heart.
To distinguish them from theneurons in our brain, they call
them neurites, but they'reexactly the same cells as in our
brain.
So there's like literally alittle mini brain in our heart
and we need to be focusing fromthere instead of from our brain.
(45:14):
Okay, and we also need to bemaking.
This is another thing a lot ofpeople are talking about now.
Is the heart-brain connectionhuge, the heart-brain resonance?
Okay, this is a major connect.
This is the next leveldevelopment of the human being.
Is that mind heart connection?
(45:35):
Yeah, yeah, there's a wonderfulpeople doing a lot of work on
this and it's called heart mapinstitute.
I believe they do a lot of workon this and again science.
Okay, because there's so manypeople that you know when you
start talking about spiritualityand spiritual things, uh they
go.
You can't prove it, it's notscience yeah and they go really
(46:00):
well.
Actually, you can a lot ofthings, and this, see, this is
the other thing that they toldme will keep happening All the
things, all these spiritualthings that we've known, and in
some cases for thousands ofyears, like you go back into you
know, some of the Indianwritings and some of these old
(46:21):
writings and the things that arein there are starting to be
proven by science.
Yeah, okay, and that will keephappening that's another
evolution that's going on,because you know, actually I'm
getting on my soapbox hereactually, at one time,
spirituality and science werethe same thing.
The biggest, the baddest thingthat ever happened is when that
(46:46):
schism came between science andreligion, and that was a big
problem of a lot of everything.
That was the core issue and thecore problem of a lot of things
that we're dealing with todaythat schism when they were
separated and they became quoteunquote different things.
(47:08):
Yeah, absolutely, and that,because we're talking about fear
.
That is what caused a hugeamount of fear when religion
became something to make peopleafraid.
Yeah, you know and that's wherehell came from and all this you
know, and this is whereoriginal sin came from oh god,
(47:30):
we're gonna go to hell.
yeah, we don't do this or dothat or listen to this priest or
that, you know, and they're all.
And don't get me wrong, mybackground is, of course,
judeo-christian, but all of themajor religions are exactly the
same.
They all have their own way ofdoing these things okay.
(47:52):
Oh yeah, and what I was toldfrom okay, I'll give you another
instance of how I when myjourney really started was when
I was a little kid.
I was about 10 or 11.
I told you I wasn't brought upin a, I didn't have a religious
family at all, but when I was 10or 11, I decided that I wanted
to find out where God and theangels lived.
Kertia (48:15):
Yeah.
Laura (48:16):
And so nobody was going to tell me.
Because I kept asking andnobody told, nobody had an
answer that I liked.
And then I just thought at thattime, back in the 60s, you know
, god and the angels were atchurch.
Ok, so I decided that I wasgoing to go to church and my
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family wasn't going to take mebecause they weren't religious
at all.
And I was lucky in theneighborhood that I lived in in
Toronto, in greater Toronto,there was probably at least a
half a dozen churches in my inwalking distance of my house.
So every Sunday for like six oreight Sundays I put on my
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little Sunday best, because backin the days that's what you did
?
I had my little skirt and mylittle patent, leather shoes and
all that and I tromped off bymyself to church and I went to a
Catholic church, an Anglicanchurch, a Salvation Army church,
a Catholic church, an Anglicanchurch, a Salvation Army church,
a Baptist church.
I went to every church that wasavailable to me.
I wish I could have gone to asynagogue, but you can't because
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you have to be invited into asynagogue.
That's another story.
But the point is I realizedafter going to all these
churches that God and the angelsdidn't live there.
I met some really nice peopleand I met some not so nice
people, but God and the angelsdefinitely weren't there.
But you know, where my trueconnection to God and the angels
(49:44):
came from was when I got alittle bit older.
It's part of that story of whenI was 15, because when I was
basically from the time, I wasprobably 12, because when I was
basically from the time I wasprobably 12, 13, I was out in
nature, I was backpacking, I wascanoe tripping.
That's where my connection toGod, to spirit, to the divine,
(50:04):
came from, was being out in thewilderness, because I was doing
wilderness camping.
I wasn't, you know, sitting ina campground.
It's a bit different.
It's a bit different.
It's a bit different, okay,because pristine nature has an
or, I don't know, there's nottoo many places that are
pristine anymore, but aspristine as you can get Okay,
(50:24):
which means the least amount ofinterference by us has the
strongest spiritual energy thatyou'll ever find yeah, okay, and
that's where a lot, that'swhere my the wilderness,
basically, became my church hasthe strongest spiritual energy
that you'll ever find and that'swhere a lot, that's where my
the wilderness basically becamemy church and that's where I, if
you want to think about I don'teven like the word worship.
(50:46):
I think if you think about theword worship in the sense of
connection, then I'm all forthat word.
If you're thinking about it asbowing down and scraping, and
that's that's not, that's not,uh, that's not worship, that's
bowing down and scraping andgroveling.
Kertia (51:05):
You're right on that, no , sorry, oh, it's true, though
's true, and I love the way youexplain it because it's it.
It really um, shows like wherewe're coming from and where
we're going and why thisconnection to our hearts is just
(51:28):
so important.
Right, and you know, talkingabout religion and the
separation with spirituality andscience and the fear that came
out of that.
That is huge.
It's so true, so so true, youknow.
And religion as it exists todayis not religion as it was when
(51:49):
it first began, you know so.
Laura (51:52):
I'll tell you, the most bizarre thing, too, is all the
major religions.
They're not even followingtheir own books yes, exactly,
exactly exactly.
I was never a religious person,but I pretty much read the
bible cover to cover.
I've read a good portion of theQuran.
I've read the Badr Vida a lotof that material too and I don't
(52:18):
care which major religion youlook at.
They're not even followingtheir own books.
Because if they followed theirown books, they wouldn't be
doing half the stuff thatthey're doing.
Kertia (52:26):
Exactly yes, yes, yes.
Laura (52:31):
It's like, oh, how did that happen?
I could tell you how thathappened, but that's a whole
another show we'd have to dolaura.
Laura does 2.0 or something.
Kertia (52:40):
Yes yes, absolutely it's true, because, you know, the
fundamental message of all isit's just love.
And it's so easy, it's sosimple, it's literally love.
That is the fundamental messageof all religions and the thing
about it.
Laura (52:56):
It's not just love, it's love thyself and love the other
person.
And love the other person asthyself, and all the books have
it in.
They have the same language.
Yeah.
And in different forms, youknow, and it's just, it's just
crazy, and you know, and thewhole concept of God's in
(53:17):
everything, yeah, you know, Godis not some old man sitting on
you know a throne or somethingsomewhere.
Kertia (53:27):
That's commanded us.
God is in everything.
Laura (53:29):
God is energy, god is spirit.
This is why I love nature.
Kertia (53:33):
Yeah.
Laura (53:33):
Because that is where you can literally feel God in
everything.
Kertia (53:39):
Yeah, yeah, in the, in the, in the very breath that you
take every, every second, yeah.
Laura (53:47):
And water.
You keep an eye on water.
Water is.
I've actually heard this ispart of the new science.
You know, if you, dr Moto, andyou look into some of that work
yeah, about how water works.
We don't even know what waterreally is and actually I've
heard some of the new scientists, which I really love, who have
(54:07):
been doing a lot of this workthey're actually think that like
water is god, like water, likethere's something fundamentally,
it's a fundamental energeticelement.
I'm trying to look at the rightwords and that that's probably
as close as I can get right now.
Yeah, but water is super, super.
(54:28):
Why do you think?
We're almost know we're like75% or more water.
Kertia (54:33):
Mm-hmm.
Laura (54:34):
Okay, and why is water so healing?
Yeah, yeah, you know.
And why is water so precious?
Kertia (54:45):
Yeah.
Laura (54:47):
Okay, things note the thing, because a lot of people
don't even realize things thatare actually powerful and sacred
.
They become precious and a lotof times people don't even know
why, but it's like, it's in us,it's, it's, it's um I'm looking
(55:08):
for the right word it's not evenconscious, it's coming from a
subconscious place in us that weknow that water is sacred.
You know, that's where baptismcomes from and that whole idea,
you know, is water is sacredholy water what makes water
(55:30):
sacred?
And I think it's the energy ofthe divine.
I think that, literally, watercarries our divinity, and that's
why these human bodies, thesehuman vessels, in order to make
them a vessel for our soul,which is our divinity, our
(55:52):
bodies were made mostly of water, because water in itself is
divine energy.
Wow, I just came up with that.
Kertia (56:00):
Yeah, yeah.
Laura (56:05):
Whoa Laura.
Kertia (56:08):
You're hitting all the notes.
Laura (56:13):
I love this conversation.
It's great.
Kertia (56:15):
I feel, very inspired.
Laura (56:16):
Today.
Kertia (56:17):
I love it, I love it, I love it.
I will be a source ofinspiration any day.
Laura (56:25):
Well, and you know, we talked about at the very
beginning, about the, the energyof today, and honestly, I think
a huge part of it is the energyof today yes this is a real.
I think we're going to lookback at this in the future and
see that this day in 2025 was anextremely pivotal day.
(56:48):
Yeah, and look at all thethrees 21 is a three it's the
third month.
Yeah, and 2025 is a nine, whichis three, three three, three
it's literally three, three,three all the way across yeah
and three, I'll tell you, is adivine number, because every
(57:11):
single major religion or thoughtprocess, belief system, has a
trilogy of some kind yeah okay,I don't care whether you're
talking about christianity,father, son and holy ghost or
well, I won't anyway to druidsme.
(57:32):
Every major religion, everythought form has some form of
trilogy within it, and thetriangle, which is our three
again, is also the base of allsacred geometry.
Kertia (57:48):
Yeah, yeah.
Laura (57:51):
I'm just a little sponge.
I'm a knowledge sponge.
Kertia (57:54):
It's knowledge so true, it's so true, it's so true.
Laura (57:58):
I love it, I love I just love putting all the p because
it's like this huge puzzle.
I think that's actually part ofour purpose.
Coming to this earth is for usbecause part of it was
forgetting when we're born inhere.
We forgot everything, all thewonderful things that we knew
(58:18):
from all these different lives,and part of it was putting
together this huge puzzle ofunderstanding of what's really
going on and what's reallyhappening, and that's how I've
always thought about religions,too and all the sacred books.
Nobody has all the answers.
The only way that we get to findout the answers is by putting
(58:40):
everything together, and this iswhy unity and sharing is so
important, because anybody whothinks this is where I have a
problem with some religions,because they think that they
have it all, and if you don'tbelieve exactly how they believe
, then you don't know anythingyeah, okay yeah, and they're all
(59:02):
as bad.
One is as bad as the other, soit's just oh yeah, so uh.
But my belief system,everything that I've been shown,
is that we have to put allthose beliefs together, all
those books together all themagic together, all of us
together, in order to reallyfinish the puzzle.
It's the biggest puzzle you'veever seen.
(59:26):
Like you see these puzzles thathave like 5,000 or 10,000
pieces.
Well, this is like oh my god,just imagine how many pieces are
in this puzzle.
Kertia (59:35):
Yeah, yeah, it's true.
It's all about love and unity.
You know what we can do when wecome together well, yeah, and
it's all you know.
Laura (59:46):
It's all about that collaborative energy.
Yeah, because nobody can do itby themselves yeah, yeah.
And that's what I mean.
I learned something and that'swhy I love speaking with people,
whether it's clients, whetherit's doing something like this,
like a podcast, whether it's insome kind of networking group or
whatever.
Whenever we're relating toother people, we're always
(01:00:11):
learning, because they're haveenergy to give to us and we have
energy to give to them, and thecombinations of those things
you all of a sudden have.
You start putting piecestogether, because you have some
pieces maybe that I didn't have,and then I have some pieces
that maybe you didn't have, andyou know if there was other
people in the room.
Of course there's all kinds ofpeople in the other room, but
that's a whole nother topic ohyeah, in your room, in my room,
(01:00:33):
um, so it's, you know, that'show we find.
So this is why this isolationistof any form okay them and us
them, and us them, and all thisstuff that's going on right now,
yeah, uh, is the worst possiblething and and it's actually, I
(01:00:53):
believe, formulated to keep usin the dark, because as long as
you keep people separate and youdon't allow them to collaborate
, then they can't find all thepieces of the puzzle and then
you can keep them and guess whatfear.
Kertia (01:01:12):
Yeah, okay, that's probably a good place to end,
yeah this is such an amazingconversation, I think we need to
do another.
You know, as you said, laura2.0.
Laura (01:01:31):
I've had that quite often , but it's fun, fun.
I would be more than happy todo that with you.
Kertia (01:01:37):
This was so good, laura.
Thank you so much.
I'm so honored to have had thisconversation with you today.
As you said, today isauspicious.
The threes are, you know, likewe can see, I didn't even
realize that.
Laura (01:01:52):
Yeah, the synchronicities are happening.
Thank you so much.
Kertia (01:01:54):
You know, like we can see, I didn't even realize that.
Yeah, the synchronicities arehappening.
Thank you so much.
I really love this conversation.
I'd love for you to just end bytelling us where we can find
your work and access yourservices and all the good stuff.
Laura (01:02:07):
Okay, well, it's really easy to find me.
I'm sure you're going to putall this in all my links in the
show notes, but it's super easyto find me.
I'm sure you're going to putall this in all my links in the
show notes, but it's super easyto find me.
You can find me on my websiteat
wwwspiritspeakstothenumber2.me,and easy, the easiest way, if
you're interested in doing asession or getting some more
information, is to just email meat laurahorwig at gmailcom.
(01:02:32):
Perfect, and all my sociallinks.
I'm all over Facebook, sothat's another easy way to find
me and our wonderful hostesswill give you the links.
And thank you very much.
I really, really enjoyed thisconversation, so that's great.
Kertia (01:02:48):
It was my pleasure.
Thank you so much, Laura.
You're welcome Pleasure.
Laura (01:02:51):
Thank you so much, laura, you're welcome.
Kertia (01:02:57):
Thank you so much for sticking it out with us.
I hope this conversationprovided you with something
helpful and, as with anything,take whatever resonates with you
and leave whatever doesn't.
Whether you agree or don'tagree, tell us what you think
Again by clicking the send us atext link that you'll see right
(01:03:18):
above the show notes.
I believe that's on the topleft of the show notes.
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much.
You know, as I said earlier on,it's all about creating a
dialogue, especially around thethings that are difficult for us
to speak about or difficult forus to understand.
So I really enjoy being inconversation with you.
(01:03:44):
Thank you so much, until nexttime.
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